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King: What moves will Shanahan make?

As we wait for the I's to get dotted and the T's to get crossed, there were some interesting thoughts posed today by Sports Illustrated's Peter King.

It's worth clicking the link, but here's a summary of what King thinks
happens with the Redskins once Shanahan has moved into Jim Zorn's
office:

  • As we've written in this space, Shanahan is expected to seek a young quarterback that he can groom. That could mean Campbell's days here are numbered. Though King mentions Sam Bradford as a possibility, King suggests Shanahan might be willing to go after a quarterback a bit later in the draft, tossing out names such as Colt McCoy or Zac Robinson
  • Cincinnati's Mike Zimmer is the most popular name for the defensive coordinator post. King doesn't think that's a done deal, though.
  • And then there's perhaps the toughest decision that Shanahan would face: What to do with Clinton Portis? King says that because of money owed to Portis and his upfield running style, Shanahan might want to keep him around for at least a year.

By Rick Maese  |  January 5, 2010; 1:19 PM ET
Categories:  Mike Shanahan  
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Zimmer isn't a done deal, true. He might be looking for a head coaching job, and some of those might open up here within a week or two.

I hope we do get a QB later rather than sooner, and use our top pick on a solid LT.

Posted by: REXskins | January 5, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

First, suckaaaaaas

Posted by: thor2 | January 5, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Portis = Poison in the well.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 5, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

If the only major overhaul is to the offensive line, keep JCampbell,Portis, Moss and Cooley for a year, cut Betts, Ganther, Mason, and Randle EL, draft mid round QB, first round RB, and spend the rest of the pick on Oline, we should be OK

Posted by: abxinc | January 5, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Can we still trade Jason Campbell?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 5, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Hell no to da 3-4

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 5, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Peter King doesn't know d_ck!!!!!!

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

gatorskin

"...the talent level on his team (Cinn. Bearcats) was surprisingly sparse. Gilyard was supposed to be the talent, but I believe Haden was blanketing him for most of the game."



The bearcats didn't belong on the field with the gators, we all know that.

Plus: they had some major internal issues related to coaching changes where many players were pissed that they came to play for a guy who ran to Notre Dame when money was dangled in front of him.

But such is life as a college football player.

And I do think Pike will do well in the NFL, despite your Jason Campbell analogy.

He reads the field and decides to throw quickly with accuracy: that's all NFL.

And no matter what we feel about Campbell, blocking and playmakers are necessary for a quarterback's success.

Pike is a 2nd or 3rd round talent.

He'll get a job in the league.

Count on it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps at long last the Redskins can stop being an afterthought in the NFC East.

This is a division set to go through transition as McNabb is 33 years old and the Giants are aging in several key areas including the OL and need to rebuild their secondary.

With some effective management the Redskins could be back to being competitive in the NFC East in a shorter time period than many believe.

Posted by: leopard09

Leopard, good points. I thought about doing a ZEKE'S UNIQUE on this transition. The Skins will change the entire coaching staff this offseason. The jints and iggles both had new defensive coordinators this year. Can't see coughlin lasting much longer. Surprised Reid got extended, he's a very good coach, but a decade in philly -- that'd burnout just about anyone. Of note, the iggles offense made a considerable transitioned this season. The carousel always moves pretty quickly in dallas, even if they'd be better letting the current team evolve.

Lots of movement in this division -- on a number of fronts.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

First they should draft a safety to replace LeRon Landry with the #4 pick. Then trade Cooley for another teams #1 and #2 picks. Then they should cut Portis and Haynesworth. Then draft 2 QBs - 2nd and 3rd rounds. Then spend the rest of the time drafting O-Line and keep Buges to help the new offensive line coach to help develop them. I also wouldnt be suprised to see Snyder lure the defensive coordinator from Pittsburgh since they are the only team in the league running a true 3-4 defense right now.

Posted by: LoJankFilDee19338333 | January 5, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Not sure who this diesel_skins dude is but I would like to state for the record that I am pro Shannahan (s).

I would also like to take this time to say I fully endorse rickyroge's latest post.

Spiller > McCluster

Both are studs, both play bigger than their size. Both give us the speed we lack and would upgrade special teams and address lack of big plays.

Spiller = Chris Johnson

McCluster = Desean Jackson (McC played wr and they need to get him more touches so they move him to RB. Most of his Yds in the bowl game he dominated came between the tackles)


Posted by: Diesel44 | January 5, 2010 1:42 PM

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 5, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

If it's an uncapped year, it would be the perfect time to dump Portis.

No cap hit.

And if that's the case, I think it's exactly what they'll do.

I'm not surprised that King wouldn't mention that though.

Posted by: dfbovey | January 5, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

peter king doesn't make much sense to me here. skins don't have the personnel to move to a 3-4 unless they make a lot of changes. also, this move won't fly with Haynesworth because he won't be asked to make plays. you don't guarantee 40+ mil for a nose tackle to just "eat space".

Posted by: phk28 | January 5, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

You shouldn't go into battle without weapons...perhaps a pair of Colts?


The other reason to keep Portis is his ability as a blocking back. Say what you want about his attitude and know there are questions about what he has left in the tank as far as a running back goes. But he is almost like a 6th lineman when it comes to pass protection...easily one of the best blocking backs in the NFL.

Posted by: amaranthpa | January 5, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

3-4?? dont have enough linebackers as it is....

Posted by: cocodc1 | January 5, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

How do you cut a guy who is owed $41 million in guaranteed money?

And why?

We may have overpaid, but we do need big Al in the middle.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 5, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

"King says that because of money owed to Portis and his upfield running style, Shanahan might want to keep him around for at least a year."

A healthy Portis did rush for 1,400 yards in 2008.

But will Shanny buy into the sorry practice habits?

If there is going to be a compromise, it'll be that Portis isn't the offense's centerpiece, and the 'stretch' won't be his signature play.

He doesn't have the 'jump-cut' speed for it anymore.

Unless he's headed to the sideline.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I don't mind the 3-4. It's just that half our personel dont' fit it. Would be tough for Fletcher to play being undersized. Rak would flourish. Carter would have to play LB leaving Rocky Mac in the lurch.

Have to get a good FS. Having more LBs in coverage might help Landry. Uhhg having to help a safety picked in the top 10. What a nightmare.

Posted by: Gweez | January 5, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Hey Coach Shanahan,
You are much better off eating the $ and sending CP on his way.
Trade down two or three times in this draft to bring in more players, building depth.

Trade a few veterans for whatever you can get for them: a #5, #6 #7 rd picks

While you are it, get rid of ARE as well and eat that money because NO ONE will pay him that salary.

JC is a restricted FA.
Keep him your first year, see how it goes for you.

Draft Tim Tebow in Rd 3.
If not a #3 QB, he could be a good H Back addition. Most importantly, your locker room will need him desperately!!


Lastly,

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | January 5, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I agree in dumping Portis. Look what happened when Shanny traded CP, the running backs system still worked well.

Posted by: joeboggs | January 5, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

"And then there's perhaps the toughest decision that Shanahan would face: What to do with Clinton Portis?"

Its the easiest decision of all. Portis has 1-2 more years in him -- at best. At best, Portis is likely to be no more than a middle of the pack RB from here on out. Meaning whatever Shanny does with Portis has no more than a 1 or 2 year impact. The issue with Portis is about money. And while that it important, it is not tough or complicated.

The complicated decisions are things like OL and QB, which will have 5+ year impacts.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

"Remember procrastination is the art of keeping up with yesterday."

I have nothing special to stay about this quote.

I just like the way it sounds.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Keep Portis, add Chester Taylor....find next shannahan no name RB in late draft/undrafted FA...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 5, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Sorry LoJank... but you've gone way off the deep-end.

Trade Cooley for a 1st and 2nd? HA LOL... And who would be dumb enough!

Cut Haynesworth... PLEASE!

I'll stop there.

Posted by: EinVB | January 5, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the beeps info. Now I don't feel so dumb. Agreed....the longer this thing goes on, the more I feel like it won't happen. Hello no name coach. Boo.

Posted by: FedorEm | January 5, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

How is CJ Spiller who has never played a down in this league as good as a dude who just ran for 2000 yards. Ridiculous.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | January 5, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Trade Cooley and DT or MK to Denver for Marshall and Schefler. Then figure out a way to get D. Williams from Carolina. Apparently they are high on Stewart. Usually in those tandems where both are good, one wants to leave to start somewhere else. If can pick up a Tackle somehwere, our offence under Shanny would be sick.

Posted by: FedorEm | January 5, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Who cares what Peter King thinks about what will happen with the Skins? Remember this is the same Peter King whose vote year after year kept Art Monk out of the HOF? So down with Peter, Peter, pumpkin eater King.

Posted by: rmilton | January 5, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Keep Portis, add Chester Taylor....find next shannahan no name RB in late draft/undrafted FA...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 5, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Isn't Anthony Alridge Shanny's boy (no name RB)? And he finished the season on our pratice squad if I remember correctly...not saying he's the answer but I'm curious to find out if Shanny keeps him around.

Posted by: oh_boy1 | January 5, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

How is CJ Spiller who has never played a down in this league as good as a dude who just ran for 2000 yards. Ridiculous.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | January 5, 2010 1:56 PM

It's a player comparison. You're smarter than that, right?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 5, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

"PFT is reporting that the idea that Mike Shanahan as the next Washington Redskins head coach is starting to deteriorate, and rapidly. Rumor has it that Mike was struggling with the idea of having to run his weekly game plans through the owner first, before implementing them. And that was just the beginning. Insiders at Ashburn tell us that Snyder was insistent that Mike address him as Mr. Snyder, something that left a foul taste in Shanahan's palette....stay tune for more"

CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 5, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Who cares what Peter King thinks about what will happen with the Skins? Remember this is the same Peter King whose vote year after year kept Art Monk out of the HOF?

Posted by: rmilton

King did come around and vote for Monk and is currently advocating for Grimm

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan is in, it's just a matter of getting the paperwork done.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 5, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

For maybe the first time I can remember, I pretty much totally agree with Peter King.

Particularly the part about jettisoning JC17.

Switching to a 3-4 defense would definitely bring out the best in Orakpo. But I don't know what that does for Albert Haynesworth.

I'm not really a defensive scheme junkie, but if there's a way that AH can be a disruptive attack-oriented lineman in a 3-4 scheme, then why not go for it?

Posted by: p1funk | January 5, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

But, King doesn't take into consideration that there may not be a salary cap next year, meaning that the Skins could cut Portis without suffering a severe cap hit for it.

Posted by: stwasm | January 5, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Plenty smart. Stupid comparison. I am guessing you will also post a youtube video from the forest to back it up.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | January 5, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

MS- you only cut some players not all..

betts- replace w/ someone in the draft
randle el- replace w/ Josha Cribbs
thomas- replace w/ someone in the draft
samuel- replace w/ someone in the draft


LAST JASON CAMPBELL- replace w/ someone in the draft (bratford or clausen)

do not, I repeat, do not cut PORTIS. He just didnt want to play for JZORN and who can blame him.

The skins were a playoff team 3 yrs ago w/ the same personnal. If there had been better coaching (offense) in the last 3 yrs we wouldn't be in this position.

Oh, and one more request MS trade MOSS 4 Marshell, but I know that would never happen.

Posted by: taylormade218 | January 5, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

"PFT is reporting that the idea that Mike Shanahan as the next Washington Redskins head coach is starting to deteriorate, and rapidly. Rumor has it that Mike was struggling with the idea of having to run his weekly game plans through the owner first, before implementing them. And that was just the beginning. Insiders at Ashburn tell us that Snyder was insistent that Mike address him as Mr. Snyder, something that left a foul taste in Shanahan's palette....stay tune for more"

CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

PFT can do better. Perhaps they'll report that Danny won't provide an annual free pass to 6 Flags or 50% off coupons at Johnny Rockets. Greg, I look forward to the continuing adventures of your PFT excerpting

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Can we still trade Jason Campbell?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 5, 2010 1:39 PM

Campbell's played out his last year of the contract. He's now a free agent.

Posted by: RedCherokee | January 5, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Draft Tim Tebow in Rd 3.
If not a #3 QB, he could be a good H Back addition. Most importantly, your locker room will need him desperately!!


Maybe we could get him to play DE. NO WAIT!!!

We already drafted somebody to play DE with our 2010 3rd rd pick.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 5, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

No matter the "cap hit" (Why there is such a thing in an "uncapped" year is beyond my limited knowledge of the salary cap.) Shanahan will benefit from sending Portis packing. The message will be sent to, and appreciated by, the team guys on the roster that, going forward, coaches will coach and players will play. It's been a long time since there was institutional discipline in Ashburn. It's invaluable. Here's how Shanahan can establish it quickly...and improve team chemisty to boot. Does even the most ardent CP lover think he has a passion for football any longer?

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 5, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Who cares what Peter King thinks about what will happen with the Skins? Remember this is the same Peter King whose vote year after year kept Art Monk out of the HOF?

Posted by: rmilton

King did come around and vote for Monk and is currently advocating for Grimm

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse


King is a DISGRACE and he kept Monk OUT of the HoF for a LONG TIME!! The fact they he finally came around really means NOTHING!

Posted by: filmchis | January 5, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Plenty smart. Stupid comparison. I am guessing you will also post a youtube video from the forest to back it up.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | January 5, 2010 2:04 PM

Right, you have consistently provided nothing of substance and are continuing your streak of wasting text.

As far as comparisons ToddStinkston = pabrain.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 5, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

King is a DISGRACE and he kept Monk OUT of the HoF for a LONG TIME!! The fact they he finally came around really means NOTHING!

Posted by: filmchis


So, he can't change his mind?

Posted by: RedDMV | January 5, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

"The fact they he finally came around really means NOTHING!"

Well not exactly true....it meant he got IN!

Minor point I know...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 5, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Going to the 3-4 would be a mistake, that I don't think that Shanahan (assuming, of course, that he is the coach) will make. It would be a mistake because we don't have the personnel for it, and we already have enough areas to address (left and right offensive takle, right offensive guard, possibly quarterback, running back, outside linebacker, cornerback, safety, defensive tackle) without adding more. We would have to add a nose tackle (Haynesworth is too tall, with too high a center of gravity), at least one inside 'backer with size, and a D-end with size, assuming that Daniels retires. Also, our best D-linemen are ill-suited to play a 3-4. The role of the 3 d-linemen in a 3-4 is to occupy blockers. Do we really want to pay Haynesworth what we're paying him to do that as a d-end, instead of penetrating and making plays? Also, Carter and Orakpo would have to move to outside linebacker full time, since neither has the bulk to play directly over the offensive tackles and hold their ground, as 3-4 defensive ends must do. They are best used as defensive ends in a 4-3 scheme, where they can put their hands in the dirt and come off the edges, as they were so effective doing this year.

Posted by: rbpalmer | January 5, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

First they should draft a safety to replace LeRon Landry with the #4 pick. Then trade Cooley for another teams #1 and #2 picks. Then they should cut Portis and Haynesworth. Then draft 2 QBs - 2nd and 3rd rounds. Then spend the rest of the time drafting O-Line and keep Buges to help the new offensive line coach to help develop them. I also wouldnt be suprised to see Snyder lure the defensive coordinator from Pittsburgh since they are the only team in the league running a true 3-4 defense right now.

Posted by: LoJankFilDee19338333 | January 5, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I want what you're smokin, bud. Best we're gettin for Cooley is a 2nd rounder. Maybe just a 3rd rounder.

As for Chia Pet's question, can we trade JC- not really. It's either tender him and offer as a RFA and get draft compensation (1st and 3rd if he's tendered at the max level), or let him walk. I will be dismayed if we let him go with no compensation.

DRAFT OKUNG

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 5, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I would find Mr Kings insight and analysis fascinating, if I could not get that nagging feeling out o f the back of my head that King is a retard.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 5, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Campbell's played out his last year of the contract. He's now a free agent.

Posted by: RedCherokee | January 5, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse
-----------------------

Most likely a restricted free agent given the lack of a collective bargaining agreement and uncapped year. Meaning the Redskins would have the right to give him a tender offer and match any other offers from other teams. And if another team does sign him the Redskins would receive a draft pick in return.

Same with Carlos Rogers.

Posted by: dfbovey | January 5, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

prerequisites for your opinion to count on RI.

-Have to have voted Art Monk into Hall of Fame.

-Want JC benched/Think he is a coach killler.


Am I missing anything?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 5, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

No matter the "cap hit" (Why there is such a thing in an "uncapped" year is beyond my limited knowledge of the salary cap.) Shanahan will benefit from sending Portis packing. The message will be sent to, and appreciated by, the team guys on the roster that, going forward, coaches will coach and players will play. It's been a long time since there was institutional discipline in Ashburn. It's invaluable. Here's how Shanahan can establish it quickly...and improve team chemisty to boot. Does even the most ardent CP lover think he has a passion for football any longer?

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 5, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse


I think he does and will. He's a proud guy and I'm sure he's not gonna want to go out the way 2008 ended. He knows the running scheme and we're already paying him (regardless of cap implications, make the man work for his $$). I think it makes sense to keep him around assuming the following:

1) they sit down with him at the outset and let him know that he does not have an inalienable right to be the starter

2) let him know that he will likely be in a platoon situation and he needs to accept that

3) communicate to him that there is going to be a new culture in the lockerroom and that there is a new chain of command in the coaching/FO organization that everyone (including himself) needs to respect - translation: we don't care if you are buddies with the owner; he's given us the keys to the car and we will not hesitate to boot you at a corner if you are an unruly passenger.

Posted by: p1funk | January 5, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Get rid of CP26 and JC17... proven losers, alibi artists, choke specialists, and coach killers.

Posted by: Vic1 | January 5, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44, you're understood homie, because from what I've read you're saying that Spiller EQUALS (=) Chris Johnson. EQUALS meaning the same, in the mold of, alike. If you were saying better than, then you would've used the (>) GREATER THAN, not equal too, more than.

That's how you have to explain it sometimes up here... like they're a three year old.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 5, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I say tender JC to the high tender, if we lose him we get a good deal with the picks if we keep him its a reasonable price.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 5, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

This new regime has got me a bit worried.

Is Shanahan going to have just a HC title or will it be HC/President? Who's he going to report to?

Who's going to pick the players? BA is a known cap expert, but admits to not being a personnel guy?

Any word on if/where Morroco Brown fits into all of this?

Posted by: ksquare | January 5, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

If we want to recoup draft picks, the guy to trade is LL30, not Chris Cooley.

We have options at safety to replace Landry, and I bet we could get more for LL30 than Cooley anyhow.

Plus, I remember seeing Shanahan offenses be very successful with 2 TEs. Tony Scheffler and Daniel Graham were both pass-catching tight ends that were well utilized a year ago in Denver.

Posted by: p1funk | January 5, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

From redskins.com: we signed 9 guys who play football, occasionally.


Reserve/futures contracts are contracts that are signed for the 2010 season, even though the upcoming season does not officially begin until March.

Only players who were not on any NFL team’s active roster when the 2009 season ended are eligible for reserve/futures contracys. If they were under contract, then they would remain so until March.

Players who were on NFL practice squads at the end of the 2009 season were eligible to sign with any team.

Here are thumbnail bios of each of the players signed:

Alridge (5-9, 175) originally was awarded to the Redskins off waivers from the Denver Broncos on Feb. 13 last year. He spent the 2009 offseason and training camp with the Redskins but was released on Sept. 5. He rejoined the Redskins' roster on Sept. 22 and was inactive for three contests. He was later released by the team on Oct. 20, but re-signed to the team’s practice squad on Dec. 9 for the remainder of the season.

Armstrong (5-11, 183) signed with the Redskins’ practice squad on Oct. 21. He was with the Miami Dolphins during 2009 preseason. He spent the 2008 season on the Dolphins' practice squad.

Dutch (5-11, 186) originally signed with the Redskins as a college free agent on April 20. He spent the offseason and training camp with the Redskins, but was released on Sept. 5. He joined the Redskins’ practice squad on Nov. 16.

Holmes (6-2, 289) signed with the Redskins’ practice squad on Dec. 1. He also had a practice squad stint last season with the Arizona Cardinals. He entered the NFL as an undrafted rookie free agent with the Minnesota Vikings.

Oldenburg (6-5, 302) signed with the Redskins’ practice squad on Nov. 2. A former fifth-round draft pick by the New England Patriots, Oldenburg has had NFL stints with the Patriots, St. Louis Rams and New York Jets.

Robinson (6-3, 200) signed with Redskins’ practice squad on Dec. 8. He also spent time last season on the Cleveland Browns and Miami Dolphins practice squads.

Skolnitsky (6-5, 255) originally signed with the Redskins as an undrafted free agent on May 6. He was released on Sept. 5 and subsequently signed to the practice squad the following day for the remainder of the season.

Vickers (6-6, 275) has had stints with the Philadelphia Eagles and Baltimore Ravens. He was with the Eagles in 2006, but did not see any game action. Vickers played in nine games with two starts with the Ravens in 2007, and totaled two receptions for four yards. He spent the 2009 offseason and training camp with the New York Giants prior being released on Sept. 2.

Young (5-11, 245) originally signed with the Redskins as an undrafted rookie free agent on May 6. He was released on Sept. 5 and subsequently signed to the practice squad the following day. He was released from the Redskins’ practice squad on Sept. 24.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 5, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Am I missing anything?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 5, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Trade Betts for a 2nd rounder!!!

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 5, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

"The fact they he finally came around really means NOTHING!"

Well not exactly true....it meant he got IN!

Minor point I know...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 5, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

There is no proof that Peter King's vote got Monk over the top!

And not only did Peter King continually NOT vote for Monk, he campaigned AGAINST him getting Votes!!

Posted by: filmchis | January 5, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Diesel. I won't badmouth your analogies anymore.

No way anybody gives up a 1st and 3rd for JC. If they don't want him maybe we can get a 2nd or 3rd for him. Cassel fetched a 2nd rounder, I would hope Campbell would be in the neighborhood.

If Portis is going to cost as much to cut or keep may as well keep him around. From listening to Allen it sounds like the players are going to have to buy in and work or be gone. Maybe all this will light a fire back into CP.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | January 5, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

The last remaining obstacle to Mike Shanahan becoming head coach of the Washington Redskins is a contract, sources close to the situation tell ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.


"sources close" = horse's old coach's mouth

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 5, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Portis is one of those guys who is a slacker if the coach is soft, but he plays hard for a hard-nosed coach. He'll play well for a year or two, depending on how much mileage we can get out of him, for Shanny.

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | January 5, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Would you be happy if the Skins next 10 years look like this:

6-10, 11-5, 8-8, 9-7, 10-6, 10-6, 13-3, 9-7, 7-9, 8-8. With one playoff win during that run.

Yep, that's Shanny's last 10 years with the Broncos. Not too impressive.

But compare it with Snyder's win/loss record over the last 10 years and I'll take it in a second.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 5, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I see Portis as a possible platoon guy for 2 years still. But you need to get 2 changup backs behind him, dump the other guys we got and go with a speed guy and a power guy along with CP.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 5, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

King is a DISGRACE and he kept Monk OUT of the HoF for a LONG TIME!! The fact they he finally came around really means NOTHING!

Posted by: filmchis


So, he can't change his mind?

Posted by: RedDMV | January 5, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse


Too little too late. It would be like Al Gore changing his mind about Global Warming.

Posted by: filmchis | January 5, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Would you be happy if the Skins next 10 years look like this:

6-10, 11-5, 8-8, 9-7, 10-6, 10-6, 13-3, 9-7, 7-9, 8-8. With one playoff win during that run.

Yep, that's Shanny's last 10 years with the Broncos. Not too impressive.

But compare it with Snyder's win/loss record over the last 10 years and I'll take it in a second.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 5, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse


Yes, I would be happy with that.

That is a decade of winning football and playoff appearances.

Posted by: p1funk | January 5, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

"...proven losers, alibi artists, choke specialists, and coach killers."


But they do have value.

And neither has played for the redskins under the best case scenario.

Shanny's hiring has put me back into, "Let's see what happens next mode."

Maybe somehow some linemen will be added and Portis, Campbell, Cooley, Moss, Davis, Thomas, and Kelly perform well.

What do yo have to lose when you're already losing?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I've heard mixed reports about whether CP likes Shanny? I'd think if nothing else he'd respect him.

I've been saying "Portis is washed up" as much as anyone, but I'd love for him to prove me wrong.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 5, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Would you be happy if the Skins next 10 years look like this:

6-10, 11-5, 8-8, 9-7, 10-6, 10-6, 13-3, 9-7, 7-9, 8-8. With one playoff win during that run.

Yep, that's Shanny's last 10 years with the Broncos. Not too impressive.

But compare it with Snyder's win/loss record over the last 10 years and I'll take it in a second.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 5, 2010 2:26 PM |

Maybe we shouldn't limit our choices to just Shanny's record vs Danny's.

What I really want to know is what is the plan the win the Super Bowl three times this decade? Shouldn't that be the thinking - and nothing less???

Posted by: edvar | January 5, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Peter King can go fart in a hat. What a moron.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | January 5, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ToddStinkston | January 5, 2010 2:23 PM

No worries...I don't mind a good discussion. I'm just not going to have a petty argument w/ anyone that's not my wife.

I agree with your post however what concerns me with keeping CP around next year is the cap ramifications in 2011 when you can basically be granted a mulligan by cutting him this offseason.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 5, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

edvar, your putting the cart before the horse. Lets focus on building a good team and maybe wining 1 superbowl first.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 5, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Trade Betts for a 2nd rounder!!!

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 5, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

It works if you ignore his age and injuries.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 5, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

diesel - what would you have done?

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 5, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

The biggest problem that needs to be fixed is that all players need to be on time and give a crap. Obvious from yesterday's comments that was not the case under Zorn.

How much can you put on the player, and how much on the organizational dysfunction? Not sure that it matters anymore, but what needs to change is that every player gets the same treatment up and down the organization. If Portis is banged up and needs to rest his body, that is one thing. Popping off in the press and being an overall slacker is another. Not saying he was an overall slacker, but he sure didn't like to practice and we've all seen and heard his comments.

I think it comes down to having a meeting with Shanahan... clear the air, get expectations on the table up front. "CP you wanna be here under the everybody is equal rules, blah blah blah?"

Portis can be a huge asset, but he is not somebody we can not live without. If CP is smart, and i think he is, he will realize nobody is gonna drop all the coin on him he is due from the Redskins next year, so he better get on board the train for the big win.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 5, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

How long before Snyder wails about "not having any fun" after he contractually agreed with Shanahan to turn total control over to Shanahan...??? It seems reasonable that Shanahan gauged Snyder on his commitment to this provision - why waste his agent's time if this could not be covered first. Snyder's history is checkered - Schottenheimer was taken for a ride.

I'm not worried about the coach and GM - but it's all worthless unless Snyder has made significant change in his behavior and habits. And there is no trust to have any confidence that he can or will do that over the long haul.

Posted by: i155133 | January 5, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

What Peter King is saying is fine by me. I'd prefer using the first pick on a left tackle.. and look for a steal at QB later on. Besides I'm not sold on Bradford.. hurt 2 times in college.. can he take the hits the pros give??? Now dumping Campbell that has to be first, Peter is right he doesn't fit with Redskins future plans.
I'd give Colt Brennan a shot at being the starter.. why not, he's under contract, he's cheap.. he might even be that young guy Shanahan wants to mold. As the number 2 guy, to play until either Colt or someone they draft is ready or just as a backup either keep Collins or if he's making to much money.. believe he will make 2mil this year.. here's a idea how about bringing back Pat Ramsey?? Now I know it sounds crazy but Ramsey played 2 years under Shanahan, so he knows Shanahan's system and Mike must like the guy somewhat. Also Snyder liked Ramsey when he was in Wash, it was Gibbs who got rid of him.. and lastly he will be cheap.. He was released by the Titans earlier this year.. is on the Lions now.. but will probably be cut. Then draft a QB in the later rounds. So how about this lineup at QB for 2010...

Colt Brennan
Todd Collins or Pat Ramsey
Zac Robinson or Colt McCoy

Sounds like it could be a good one!!!

Posted by: sovine08 | January 5, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

edvar, your putting the cart before the horse. Lets focus on building a good team and maybe wining 1 superbowl first.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 5, 2010 2:35 PM |

Gonna disagree with you here. Why not set the bar high? Why not demand excellence? As long as we're building a football team, why not try to build a perennial champion?

Posted by: edvar | January 5, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Would you be happy if the Skins next 10 years look like this:

6-10, 11-5, 8-8, 9-7, 10-6, 10-6, 13-3, 9-7, 7-9, 8-8. With one playoff win during that run.

Yep, that's Shanny's last 10 years with the Broncos. Not too impressive.

But compare it with Snyder's win/loss record over the last 10 years and I'll take it in a second.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 5, 2010 2:26 PM

It might not be too impressive if you're accustomed to having consistent winning seasons like the Colts, but when you've been the NFC East doormat more years than not, I'd see that run as a significant improvement - particularly if Snyder leaves Shanahan and Allen alone and lets them do the jobs for which he will pay / has paid them so handsomely.

Posted by: jaradel | January 5, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"PFT is reporting that the idea that Mike Shanahan as the next Washington Redskins head coach is starting to deteriorate, and rapidly. Rumor has it that Mike was struggling with the idea of having to run his weekly game plans through the owner first, before implementing them. And that was just the beginning. Insiders at Ashburn tell us that Snyder was insistent that Mike address him as Mr. Snyder, something that left a foul taste in Shanahan's palette....stay tune for more"

CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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This too will come to pass - just give it time. Shanahan will be setting up his family financially for generations but has to know he is swimming upstream in a cesspool.

Posted by: i155133 | January 5, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

It works if you ignore his age and injuries.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 5, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

This is the magical land of RI!! 30 running backs are worth 2nd round picks!!! TEs are worth a 1st and a 2nd!! Personally, I'd trade Renaldo Wynn for a unicorn and I bet Portis would fetch us some magic beans!!!

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 5, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 5, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Magic Beans?

I'd trade Portis for a bag of magic beans...

Posted by: edvar | January 5, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Peter King? Great, another journalist. Who cares? Just please keep reporting what actual football think.

Posted by: themantoyou | January 5, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

As a lifelong Redskins fan, I am pretty stoked about MS becoming our new head coach. The Redskins are bigger than any one person, bigger than Snyder, or Shanahan, or JC, CP, AH, SM, CC or even Zorn. We are one of the founding franchises of the modern day NFL. We are proud, and historic, and much bigger, badder, and better than most other teams in the league. I welcome our new head coach, and I welcome whatever changes need to be made....addition, subtraction, addition by subtraction....whatever. Our franchise will be returned to glory...it is inevitable. I trust Bruce Allen, Dan Snyder, the new coach, etc, etc to do the right things now, after many years of missing the marks. Shanahan will be a fine coach, and who gives a crap what he did or didnt do with or without Elway. All of a sudden, Elway is the benchmark for what we need in DC...I think not. The same argument could be made in regards to Elway (what did he ever accomplish before he lucked out and got Terrel Davis as his RB?). I'll tell you what he did...Elway got embarrassed by guess who in the Superbowl.

HAIL TO THE SKINS!

Posted by: httr20081 | January 5, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I would be happy with that.

That is a decade of winning football and playoff appearances.

Posted by: p1funk | January 5, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I think you'd be the only one. That's an average of 9-7 -- good, but just barely. It's a decade of hoping and wishing to make the playoffs. If the Skins go the next decade with only one playoff victory, are we really any better off?

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 5, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the guys in the bleachers will retire the dresses when bugle retires. Take off those funny pig noses and lets start a new era. Stop being a girlyman. Let the hogs RIP.

Posted by: GHALL4 | January 5, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

King is full of crap bro! He3 reports on assumptions...He acts like Shanny is already on board wait til negotiation fizzle...big fat turd bro that King is....he actas like he is friends with all athletes pathetic piece of garbage he is bro

Posted by: Incognito00 | January 5, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I say we keep both Campbell and Portis.

1) A healthy Portis could still be effective. He ran for 1400 yards in 08, and he knows Shanny system. If you pair him with a speed back to split some time, we can possibly squezze two more years out of him.

2) Campbell their is no other QB available who wil be better then him for 2010. FA's don't look good and rookies will go through growing pains. Plus would we want a rookie playing in front of that line? think of David carr for your answer.

As far as the draft pick. At #4 Okung OT should be your man, if he is gone try to tarde down to pick up another pick, but still high enough to grab a Davis or Williams. Think OG or futire QB in 2nd RD and speed RB , OLB in 3rd .

Posted by: thegreatgrexican | January 5, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Tender Campbell min. 1 yr. only so you at least get something for him

Colt yes, Zac no, but RB/OL first

Gotta keep CP for at least another year, esp. if you take Spiller so he can learn at the elbow...

Coach is overrated but I do like Kyle as OC... now that has possibilities.

Posted by: ElYeah | January 5, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

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