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Posted at 12:20 PM ET, 02/26/2011

Clinton Portis talks about moving on

By Mike Jones

INDIANAPOLIS - Clinton Portis says that he won't be upset if the Washington Redskins cut him rather than pay him the $8.3 million salary figure he is owed for the coming season.

Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan said Friday evening at the NFL Combine that the team will allow Portis to shop himself to other teams and that they only would bring the 10-year veteran back at a significantly reduced figure.

"With a guy with a high salary cap, I've always dealt with it a little differently," Shanahan explained. "If we're not going to sign Clinton to that high salary, I'll let him test the market out. Not to say we don't want him, but for a lower price, and obviously we'll try to find the best deal. It could happen. I don't want to say right now. If I said that, usually I'm being pretty honest with you. Could be two days from now, could be three days from now."

This morning, speaking with 106.7 The Fan's Grant Paulsen, Portis said that he hadn't talked with Shanahan, but that he understands the coach's reasoning.

"There is no reaction," Portis told Paulsen. "This is a business. You've got to understand that."

Portis went on to say, "I don't think the Redskins owe me anything. I enjoyed my time in D.C. I think I made the most of time here. I'm appreciative of everything they've done for me. I had a good time and enjoyed myself. If it's time to move on, I'll do that."

Portis last season was limited to just five games while being plagued by groin and abdominal injuries. He started the first four games of the season before suffering a third-degree groin pull. The muscle was separated from the bone, according to the Redskins' medical staff. Portis missed the next six weeks and then came back on Nov. 21 against Tennessee. But he was knocked out of that game in the first quarter. It was later learned that Portis tore his lower abdominal muscle. He was placed on injured reserve and had surgery to repair the tear. Portis's 2009 campaign also ended with him on injured reserve. He missed the final eight games of the season because of a concussion.

Portis is the second-leading rusher in Redskins' history. He gained 6,284 6,824 yards as a Redskin and needed 684 648 to catch John Riggins, who holds the franchise record with 7,472 yards.

By Mike Jones  | February 26, 2011; 12:20 PM ET
Categories:  Clinton Portis, Mike Shanahan  
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Comments

I can't believe I'm going to say this...but if we draft Mark Ingram I think it would be exciting. Ideally to trade down and get Ingram and another second rounder would be great.

I know we need DT/OLB but this guy looks awesome, and has no holes in his game, seems like a great kid too.

If you know you can lock down your RB spot for 5-6 years do you do it?

With the FA class available to address other positions maybe you do.

OTH Shanahan seems not to like using high picks at RB.

Flame away...

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 26, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"Portis is the second-leading rusher in Redskins' history. He gained 6,284 yards as a Redskin and needed 684 to catch John Riggins, who holds the franchise record with 7,472 yards."

typo..

Portis 6,824
Riggo 7,472

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 26, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe you said it either, WG.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 26, 2011 1:23 PM | Report abuse

You da man, Riggo!

Posted by: allknowingguy | February 26, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like a lot of mutual respect between Portis and Shanahan. I think Portis will be on the roster next year for league minimum plus some incentives. And, he'll never reach the incentives because of injuries.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 26, 2011 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Not saying Ingram isn't a great talent, but we would be flat crazy to take any RB in the first two rounds this year.

Yeah, we need DT/OLB, O line, WR, QB, CB and the list goes on.

That's one thing about the NFL draft, every year there are great RB's waiting for someone to give them a chance.

Too much good defensive talent out there this year. Gotta stock up.

Posted by: edvar | February 26, 2011 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Agree totally with edvar..We should take Maryland's Scott or Jacquizz in a later round, or some such talent..

The scene from "How I Won The War" where John Lennon feels around inside his blown open intestines..Aftermath of a margarita birthday party..

Posted by: frak | February 26, 2011 2:33 PM | Report abuse

i hope he stays it'd be nice to have him in there on 3rd down in particular. b ut who could blame him if he took off for new orleans or wherever?

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | February 26, 2011 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I am happy to hear Portis is being reasonable with this situation. I would personally try and get him to a low cost contract, something like 1 M for 1 year. But can't blame the guy if he moves on..

Thank you for your service Mr 26. We laughed, we cried.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 26, 2011 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I was watching the combine and noticed that Anthony costanzo is a beast. I could see detroit taking him in the first round.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 26, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

"Shanahan seems not to like using high picks at RB.Flame away...Posted by: WaitingGuilty"

Not first rounders, anyway. He did pick Tatum Bell and Clinton Portis in the 2nd and Quentin Griffin in the 4th. But he obviously thinks the key to the run game is well-coordinated blocking, from every player, not just the interior line.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 26, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I'd like us to take evan fluster from psu. He has good vision and that goes a long way in our scheme.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 26, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

and Maurice Clarett in the 3rd..

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 26, 2011 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Just for discussion purposes: Given that Riggo was the greatest 'Skins RB, who's #2--Clinton Portis or Larry Brown (I vote for Larry)?

Posted by: boothintexas | February 26, 2011 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Short piece on QBs who get sacked because they hold the ball, vs. those for whom it's the protection. Flacco and Big Ben are naturally the big hold-the-ball offenders, but it's interesting where McNabb ends up.

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2011/02/23/when-it-comes-to-holding-the-ball-joe-flacco-tops-ben-roethlisb/

Posted by: Samson151 | February 26, 2011 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Rich_Campbell Mallett will take heat for that, but I have no problem with how he handled it. He was polite and said he'd discuss allegations with teams. 2 minutes ago via twidroyd


Rich_Campbell Mallett cut his interview off after reporters continued to ask about allegations after he said he wouldn't talk about it.... half a minute ago via twidroyd


Rich_Campbell Called them rumors. RT @McClain_on_NFL Mallett wouldn't address stories about his off-the-field problems, including drug use and addiction. 3 minutes ago via twidroyd

Rich_Campbell Arkansas QB Ryan Mallett is brushing off questions about his character. He says he'll tell teams what they need to know. 7 minutes ago via twidroyd

Posted by: TWISI | February 26, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Mallett tweets. What a freaking rock head

greggrosenthal gregg rosenthal
Ryan Mallett was hammered with questions about drug use to put it mildly ... races off podium.

MikeJonesWaPo Mike Jones
Ryan Mallett cut interview short after repeated questions about off-field issues.

JasonLaCanfora Jason La Canfora
Mallett asked a fourth time about allegations, and why not flatly deny them now. Says he will "talk about it with the teams." Interview over

WesBunting Wesley Bunting
#Auburn QB Cam Newton needs to come out ASAP to talk, can't be any worse than #Arkansas Ryan Mallett...guy will look like a saint

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 26, 2011 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Rich_Campbell Miller: I measured 6-2 1/2, 246 pounds. ...not quite prototypical OLB size. 1 minute ago via TweetDeck

Posted by: TWISI | February 26, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Waiting Guilty, I agree, but not necessarily Ingram. For all the slobbering over a high round QB, they could take a low round QB to train and then rebuild while still remaining competitive if they just add another RB and rebalance the offense. They still need a NT, however, and the first pick, wherever they end up picking, has to be someone to put on the side opposite Orakpo, whether OLB or DE.

Posted by: dcsween | February 26, 2011 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44 what are your thoughts on JJ Watts. Do you think in can sneak up into the top 10?

Posted by: TWISI | February 26, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like Big Media will be giving Mallett the opposite of a pass or a bye. Good luck to him with that. Way to help with the script Mallett's agent.

I like how Shanahan said Locker reminded him of Plummer. Code words for "gonna take a flyer on another too laid back guy who won't Elway me to another Super Bowl".

Posted by: dcsween | February 26, 2011 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe I'm going to say this...but if we draft Mark Ingram I think it would be exciting.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty
_________________

2 words: Timmy Smith.

Build a real Oline, and Dan Snyder could get 4+ yards a carry. (If he was carried by some Earl Campbell type guy.)

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | February 26, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse

TWISI-

I like him (6'6 295). But @10 that would be a reach. He's defintiely a 3-4 DE that could come off the board at 17(NE), 18(SD), or 28(NE). Reminds me of Adam Carriker (6'6 311) drafted 13th overall.

Solid player but not dynamic. We need an impact pass rusher if we stay at 10.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 26, 2011 3:40 PM | Report abuse

The scene from "How I Won The War" where John Lennon feels around inside his blown open intestines..Aftermath of a margarita birthday party..

Posted by: frak
_________

What the what?

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | February 26, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

2 words: Timmy Smith.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | February 26, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Err....Timmy Smith was a total unknown who had 1 good game and was then out of the league within a year.

Ingram is a complete NFL ready back with high character.

I agree on the Oline though. I'm just intrigued by adding a special talent at RB. I'm sure we can get a serviceable system guy late, and I do like Torain. It would just be interesting to plug in a guy that can get you 1500/year right out of the box.

I think Inram is that guy.

Just throwing it out, not saying I'd do it.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 26, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44 thanks. I am really interested in seeing what Aldon Smith, and Akeem Ayers look like on Monday. One guy Justin Houston (OLB) weighed in at 270 toady.

Posted by: TWISI | February 26, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

The Rich Campbell article Diesel found is really strong. He nails much of it, the patience of the people that care about the team, the consequences of prior actions, the currently stated philosophy which wasn't followed in Shanny's first year.

http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/redskinsjournal/2011/02/26/mike-shanahan-can-put-a-proven-plan-into-action/

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 26, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

"What the what?"

Or the scene from Catch-22 , where the hero checks the wounds on the shotup airman, opens his shirt and his guts spill out..

Posted by: frak | February 26, 2011 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan is on NFL Network as saying the Redskins will likely cut Clinton Portis. Looks like we need to find one of your patented gems in the later rounds Shanny!

Posted by: monk811 | February 26, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frak | February 26, 2011 4:05 PM | Report abuse

One guy's opinion about Von Miller (and why to be nervous about having Clay Matthews size but not his motor):

http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/01/bob-sturm-id-be-nervous-taking-texas-ams.html

Posted by: dcsween | February 26, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

...the currently stated philosophy which wasn't followed in Shanny's first year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 26, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Besides the McNabb mistake- which btw was widely hailed as a solid gamble at the time- how else has Shanahan not followed his stated goal of bringing in young, quality character guys who love the game and want to be part of the program?

Banks, Lichtensteiger, Armstrong, Trent W., Torain, Keilan W....All fit that profile and all could be playing huge roles for us for us in the coming years.

Don't forget- Shanahan and Allen were basically stuck with certain things last year that they will rid themselves of this year. He had no choice but to keep Portis, his # was guaranteed.

I don't even think it's fair to mention AH anymore either...we had to try to get something from him due to the contract...Did not work...and he will be gone.

What did you expect to happen in one year?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 26, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Portis can't walk. He'd probably get injured! Better send him to the Scooter Store.

Posted by: johnmarshall5446 | February 26, 2011 4:19 PM | Report abuse

waiting guilty wrote:

"Banks, Lichtensteiger, Armstrong, Trent W., Torain, Keilan W....All fit that profile and all could be playing huge roles for us for us in the coming years."

If that's the case, bet the under on an 8-8 season. LOL

Posted by: johnmarshall5446 | February 26, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like a lot of mutual respect between Portis and Shanahan. I think Portis will be on the roster next year for league minimum plus some incentives. And, he'll never reach the incentives because of injuries.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 26, 2011 1:37 PM
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That's an interesting thought. The team could certainly use a pass blocker like Portis. If they used him strictly in passing situations, maybe they could preserve him for most of a season.

Personally, I really don't think it will happen. The team currently has a staff that is very good at developing running backs so why invest more time in an over the hill back? With Torain and Williams already in the backfield, I don't think it is a risk heading into next season with those guys and a few undrafted rookies.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 26, 2011 4:23 PM | Report abuse

interesting article on the labor situation. Have no idea on the legal issues that are being argued, but its pretty clear the owners have an insurance policy. Whether its legal or not ... that is TBD.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/jim_trotter/02/24/labor.hearing/index.html

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 26, 2011 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Hey Portis, don't get hurt(again) when the door hits you on the way out...

To be fair, Portis is the best blocker on the offensive side of the ball. His pass blocking and blitz pick-up decisions were spot on most of the time. McNabb and the limited passing game really began to suffer once Portis went out. BUT Portis as a teamate and representative of the skins was tired and a lot of talk. Please don't throw stats at me...the only ones that matter are wins a losses, and in portis's case, injuries, salary, weak fumbles, falling over his feet, dropping easy balls in the flat, PRACTICE, we're talking about practice and thinking he was a better players than he actually is. (a problem a lot of the current players on the skins still have)

This team needs o-lineman, d-line man and linebackers...everything else can fall into place one u build that foundation...

go skins

Posted by: boricuabopper | February 26, 2011 4:25 PM | Report abuse

waiting guilty wrote:

"Banks, Lichtensteiger, Armstrong, Trent W., Torain, Keilan W....All fit that profile and all could be playing huge roles for us for us in the coming years."

If that's the case, bet the under on an 8-8 season. LOL

Posted by: johnmarshall5446 | February 26, 2011 4:22 PM
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Why be critical? I don't think he was saying these guys were the answer - only that they were part of the answer. The truth is there is a spark of young talent on this roster, but they need to continue to develop and get a supporting cast to fan the fire.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 26, 2011 4:27 PM | Report abuse

redskinhead wrote:

"The truth is there is a spark of young talent on this roster, but they need to continue to develop and get a supporting cast to fan the fire."

With all due respect, you have it backwards. These guys ARE the supporting cast. What they lack is the front line talent!

Posted by: johnmarshall5446 | February 26, 2011 4:30 PM | Report abuse

What did you expect to happen in one year?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 26, 2011 4:09 PM

Geez, I've put my thoughts on this out there for a long time. I put put my alternate plan before the 2010 season, and it crushed the Shanaplan. We'd have been younger, better and spent less $$.

It came down to a few basic elements. Move out people who aren't going to fit -- and make sure you get good value for them (instead of telling the world how much they suck ...). Go aggressively after the OL. And get younger, even if it means taking some risks with new and unproven players.

In 2011, the plan should have similar roots, but it needs to be adapted to 2011 realities. We have less that is valuable to other teams, we have many more holes to fill and free agency is going to be quite different than what it is in most years.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 26, 2011 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Geez, I've put my thoughts on this out there for a long time. I put put my alternate plan before the 2010 season, and it crushed the Shanaplan.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 26, 2011 4:35 PM | Report abuse

OK, that's enough. Forget I asked.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 26, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

interesting article on the labor situation. Have no idea on the legal issues that are being argued, but its pretty clear the owners have an insurance policy. Whether its legal or not ... that is TBD.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/jim_trotter/02/24/labor.hearing/index.html

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 26, 2011 4:25 PM
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Think about the television networks that are looking at this. They would be essentially paying for nothing if the lockouts took place, and they probably don't like the rhetoric coming from the owners that it is their safety net. I don't think this is the last straw for the union though. I recall reading that if the union decertifies, it strengthens their case in an NFL anti-trust case, which, if won, could possibly void a revenue sharing contract like the television contract. To me, it all seems like the cold war era MAD scenario: mutually assured destruction. It wouldn't destroy the NFL, but it would definitely hurt it if there was a lockout and decertification. I am hoping someone on both sides understands this.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 26, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

redskinhead wrote:

"The truth is there is a spark of young talent on this roster, but they need to continue to develop and get a supporting cast to fan the fire."

With all due respect, you have it backwards. These guys ARE the supporting cast. What they lack is the front line talent!

Posted by: johnmarshall5446 | February 26, 2011 4:30 PM
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Maybe you are correct when saying that about a guy like Lichtensteiger, but I would say Torain has done enough to be labeled the starter. Armstrong did start for part of the year and really stretched the field as a deep threat. Trent Williams will be a starter for years to come and will get better and better at left tackle. Yes, I think they have some young, front line talent.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 26, 2011 4:51 PM | Report abuse

From the NYT:

By THOM SHANKER
Published: February 26, 2011

WASHINGTON — The spokesman for a three-star general in Afghanistan who was accused by a subordinate of instructing troops to carry out “psychological operations” to sway visiting members of Congress has sent a personal e-mail to colleagues and friends assuring them that general was innocent of any wrongdoing.

Them Jedi mind tricks should work pretty good on members of Congress, no? Heh, heh.

Posted by: PsyOps | February 26, 2011 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Geez, I've put my thoughts on this out there for a long time. I put put my alternate plan before the 2010 season, and it crushed the Shanaplan. We'd have been younger, better and spent less $$.

It came down to a few basic elements. Move out people who aren't going to fit -- and make sure you get good value for them (instead of telling the world how much they suck ...). Go aggressively after the OL. And get younger, even if it means taking some risks with new and unproven players.

In 2011, the plan should have similar roots, but it needs to be adapted to 2011 realities. We have less that is valuable to other teams, we have many more holes to fill and free agency is going to be quite different than what it is in most years.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 26, 2011 4:35 PM
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Zeke, your scenario only works in Madden Football. In the real world, no other team will give you a third round pick every time you wave a player under their noses. Now, if you are suggesting they just should have cut some of these older guys on defense who didn't fit like Carter and Daniels and tried to develop younger players, I would be in agreement with you.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 26, 2011 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Maybe you are correct when saying that about a guy like Lichtensteiger, but I would say Torain has done enough to be labeled the starter. Armstrong did start for part of the year and really stretched the field as a deep threat.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 26, 2011 4:51 PM |

When you are talking about a nuke of young talent to build on you are usually talking skill positions and talent that has the potent to be elite, not just start. I don't see this in either Armstrong or Torain. Arm is an Arena League grad and Tor is oft injured.

Posted by: PsyOps | February 26, 2011 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I really don't think it will happen. The team currently has a staff that is very good at developing running backs so why invest more time in an over the hill back?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 26, 2011 4:23 PM

No over the hill backs? Four words:

Larry Johnson
Willie Parker

Posted by: beep-beep | February 26, 2011 5:10 PM | Report abuse

dcsween-

Good article on Von Miller, we don't want this dude who was touted as highly-

http://www.nfl.com/players/aaronmaybin/profile?id=MAY287870

"Wha' Happen??"

Posted by: frak | February 26, 2011 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Now, if you are suggesting they just should have cut some of these older guys on defense who didn't fit like Carter and Daniels and tried to develop younger players, I would be in agreement with you.

Posted by: RedSkinHead |

Now why would we have cut Carter? The guy only guy who had more sacks and tackles than Carter in 2009 -- in the entire league -- was the guy the Steelers just slapped a franchise tag on!!! Carter had as many sacks as Orakpo -- and its not like Orakpo wasn't selected for the Pro Bowl because of his pass coverage or run stopping.

Carter had real value, just not for a 3-4 team. I don't understand so many people think he had little value.

Both Carter and the Redskins would have been better off if we found a good trade for him.

As for Daniels, I'd agree, I don't think he had market value.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 26, 2011 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Carter had real value, just not for a 3-4 team. I don't understand so many people think he had little value.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 26, 2011 5:12 PM |

He may have had real value but he didn't have any trade value. If he did the Skins would have jumped because he was pretty useless as a sub.

Posted by: PsyOps | February 26, 2011 5:17 PM | Report abuse

If Portis is healthy he would have quite an incentive to come back cheap and have financial incentives. His big incentive would be to top Riggo on the all time yards for the Skins. That's something he can enjoy when he retires, all time leading Redskins rushing yards. If he stays healthy, and if he comes back, cheap.

Posted by: bfjam | February 26, 2011 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Now why would we have cut Carter? The guy only guy who had more sacks and tackles than Carter in 2009 -- in the entire league -- was the guy the Steelers just slapped a franchise tag on!!! Carter had as many sacks as Orakpo -- and its not like Orakpo wasn't selected for the Pro Bowl because of his pass coverage or run stopping.

Carter had real value, just not for a 3-4 team. I don't understand so many people think he had little value.

Both Carter and the Redskins would have been better off if we found a good trade for him.

As for Daniels, I'd agree, I don't think he had market value.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 26, 2011 5:12 PM
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Carter would have had to restructure his contract in order to be traded and no one wanted him for the value of his contract. Reality is the Redskins were going to a defense that couldn't use him, so if you can't trade him, you are just wasting a roster spot.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 26, 2011 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Both Carter and the Redskins would have been better off if we found a good trade for him.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 26, 2011 5:12 PM

This was probably impossible with the no-trade clause in his contract and with the salary/bonuses in the contract.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 26, 2011 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Carter had real value, just not for a 3-4 team. I don't understand so many people think he had little value.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 26, 2011 5:12 PM |

He may have had real value but he didn't have any trade value. If he did the Skins would have jumped because he was pretty useless as a sub.

Posted by: PsyOps | February 26, 2011 5:17 PM |

Carter had 62 tackles and 11 sacks in 2009. Here's a list of ALL the players that have seasons of at least 62 tackles and 11 sacks since 2008:

Carter
Woodley
ware (2x)
Charles Johnson (Carolina)
tuck (2x)
Suggs
Harrison

I'm pretty sure every guy on this list had trade value. Why wouldn't Carter?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 26, 2011 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure every guy on this list had trade value. Why wouldn't Carter?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 26, 2011 5:28 PM

1. Salary and bonus
2. No-trade clause in contract

Posted by: beep-beep | February 26, 2011 5:33 PM | Report abuse

zcezest wrote:

"I'm pretty sure every guy on this list had trade value. Why wouldn't Carter?"

Because this isn't talk radio.

Posted by: johnmarshall5446 | February 26, 2011 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Both Carter and the Redskins would have been better off if we found a good trade for him.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 26, 2011 5:12 PM

This was probably impossible with the no-trade clause in his contract and with the salary/bonuses in the contract.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 26, 2011

guys wave no-trade clauses all the time -- Carter would have too because he's not a 3-4 LB. Heck, he left SF because he tried it and didn't work out.

Pretty sure that most of the guys on that list with Carter will spend a good number of years in 8 figure salary club. Carter wasn't even half that. In terms of value, Carter was a good deal.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 26, 2011 5:37 PM | Report abuse

That's something he can enjoy when he retires, all time leading Redskins rushing yards.

Posted by: bfjam | February 26, 2011 5:21 PM |

It ain't much of a record - 7,472 freakin yards. It says more about how the Skins ain't had no elite RB like LT (I would say John Riggins but he wasn't really no yardage champ) for the bulk of his career than anything else.

Posted by: PsyOps | February 26, 2011 5:38 PM | Report abuse

guys wave no-trade clauses all the time -- Carter would have too because he's not a 3-4 LB. Heck, he left SF because he tried it and didn't work out.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 26, 2011 5:37 PM

Zeke, Guys waive no trade clauses if they want to go to the other team and if they get paid. Which other team wanted Carter and was willing to pay the salary and bonus that were in his contract? Did Carter want to go to that team?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 26, 2011 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Portis will be released within the next 48 hours.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 26, 2011 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Pretty sure that most of the guys on that list with Carter will spend a good number of years in 8 figure salary club. Carter wasn't even half that. In terms of value, Carter was a good deal.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 26, 2011 5:37 PM |

Carter's stats was a mirage - he benefited greatly from playing with Haynie. AH was double and triple teamed, leaving all kinds of openings for Carter. His stats was pretty poor except for that one yr with Haynie.

Posted by: PsyOps | February 26, 2011 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Zeke- please stop with the AC trade talk.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 26, 2011 5:48 PM | Report abuse

guys wave no-trade clauses all the time -- Carter would have too because he's not a 3-4 LB. Heck, he left SF because he tried it and didn't work out.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 26, 2011 5:37 PM

Zeke, Guys waive no trade clauses if they want to go to the other team and if they get paid. Which other team wanted Carter and was willing to pay the salary and bonus that were in his contract? Did Carter want to go to that team?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 26, 2011 5:41

I'd guess there would be 4-5 solid candidates. Chicago paid Peppers well into 8 figures (Peppers had 10.5 sacks and 41 tackles in '09 and is 8 months younger than Carter), but Chi didn't have another good DE -- Carter would have been a good fit there, especially with Urlacher and Briggs at LB.

Carter liked Gregg Williams, the Saints would have been another option.

Doubt Carter would turn down either of those teams. And be real, his salary wasn't a stumbling block. He was substantially underpaid relative to his contributions.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 26, 2011 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Zeke- please stop with the AC trade talk.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 26, 2011 5:48 PM

This is "Zeke's Unique Perspective." Unique means one of a kind. It's unique because only he can see it.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 26, 2011 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Portis will be released within the next 48 hours.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 26, 2011 5:43 PM |

You know what else is going to be released within the next 48 hrs? I'll give you a hint. I'm going to this Mex joint tonight where even the cockroaches have the runs.

Posted by: PsyOps | February 26, 2011 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Zeke- please stop with the AC trade talk.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 26, 2011 5:48 PM

This is "Zeke's Unique Perspective." Unique means one of a kind. It's unique because only he can see it.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 26, 2011

I'm having too much fun ... still waiting for an argument that actually has some substance to it

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 26, 2011 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Portis reminds me of a househusband. His wife goes out and works while he stays home on the couch watching tv.. then complains she's not making enough money to feed him properly, so go out and get a second job.

Posted by: iubiquity | February 26, 2011 6:02 PM | Report abuse

I know that he plays a position that ranks in the middle of needs for the Skins. However, this is the type of player mentality that the Skins need more of.

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Alabama WR Julio Jones is more than a pass catcher

The Redskins have a lengthy list of team needs, as we’ve discussed. That fact has been reinforced today as quarterbacks, receivers, defensive ends and linebackers have streamed through the media room. So many times today a player has been announced and I’ve thought, “Oh, the Redskins really could use him.”

One of those guys is Alabama receiver Julio Jones. At 6-4, 220 pounds with speed to stretch the field, he’ll likely be one of the first two receivers drafted.

When teams compare Jones to Georgia’s A.J. Green, they’ll note Jones’ reputation for being an outstanding blocker.

Jones explained his approach to blocking, and it’s one that every team would love to hear.

“I’m not a selfish player,” he said. “I know just like the running back has to sit in there for protection when I go out for a deep pass, I want the ball, too, when I go out. So I know he’s going to block for me and handle his responsibilities. So I try to do the same, as well.

“If I’m on the backside of a route, I’m not going to take that play off because I know I’ve got to hold a safety or something for the other guy to get open and make a play.”

Jones said that mentality intensified while at Alabama.

“Just working with those guys because we’ve got a hard offseason program,” he said. “To see those guys sweat, almost passed out and everything, it started meaning a lot more to me, and they became my brothers. I feel like I go out there and leave it on the line for those guys.”

Posted by: TWISI | February 26, 2011 6:06 PM | Report abuse

twisi-

I liked his comments about how much he loves to block.

What's your twitter handle?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 26, 2011 6:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm having too much fun ... still waiting for an argument that actually has some substance to it

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 26, 2011 6:00 PM |

Here's your counter argument. We have to pay AC a rather substantial roster bonus in order to retain the rights to him. In other words we have to pay him like $4.5 million dollars just for the opportunity to ask him to waive his no trade clause and then trade him. Is a 4th round pick worth paying him $4.5 mil in bonus money? Hell no.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2011 6:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm having too much fun ... still waiting for an argument that actually has some substance to it

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 26, 2011 6:00 P

When you put up some substance instead of conjecture you might get one.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 26, 2011 6:23 PM | Report abuse

I liked his comments about how much he loves to block.

What's your twitter handle?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 26, 2011 6:12 PM

I don't have a twitter account yet. I've been thinking about starting one. What's your handle?

Posted by: TWISI | February 26, 2011 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Twisi- Diesel__44. there is 2 underscores.

It's the best way to get breaking news..

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 26, 2011 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Even funnier -- draft a DL guy in the 3rd round. A team basically gets a guy for 5 years, then they can become a FA. That is what you can count on with a pick.

So let's go back and look at DL guys who were picked 5 or so years ago and figure out how often they turn out better than Carter ...

14 guys DL selected in the 3rd round between 2004-2006. I get one that I'd rather have over Carter -- most of the names on this list aren't even close.

Darnell Dockett
Randy Starks
Donnell Washington
Tim Anderson
Darrion Scott
Anthony Hargrove
justin tuck
Sione Pouha
Vincent Burns
Claude Wroten
chris gocong
Dusty Dvoracek
Frostee Rucker
Jason Hatcher

The results are overwhelming, in 12 of 14 cases, Carter is a better value -- and its not close. You could make an argument that Dockett is better (though the sack numbers heavily favor Carter). tuck clearly is better.

When I'm looking at value, I go with the scenario that has me I coming out ahead 90% of the time.

Sorry, beeps, I'm still looking for something rational from the "Carter has no value" crowd. Because he has a ton more value than a 3rd round DL pick.

As for scamp -- the argument is whether Carter should have been traded prior to 2010 -- clearly, his 2010 season diminished his value greatly -- so it doesn't make sense to pay him a roster bonus. Not arguing his value as of today.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 26, 2011 6:36 PM | Report abuse

As for scamp -- the argument is whether Carter should have been traded prior to 2010 -- clearly, his 2010 season diminished his value greatly -- so it doesn't make sense to pay him a roster bonus. Not arguing his value as of today.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 26, 2011 6:36 PM

Gotcha, he should have been traded.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2011 6:46 PM | Report abuse

zeke- don't forget the late RD pick that for some reason you think we should have gotten for Rock Cartright.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 26, 2011 6:48 PM | Report abuse

zeke- don't forget the late RD pick that for some reason you think we should have gotten for Rock Cartright.

Posted by: Diesel44

a conditional 7th baby!!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 26, 2011 6:54 PM | Report abuse

and for you Caps fans -- nice pickup with Marco Sturm. Guess he's been injured a lot this year, but he's been a good player for a long time. He'll help you.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 26, 2011 6:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad Portis didn't beat Riggins' record. Nothing against Portis, but Riggins was a legend who single-handedly won a Superbowl for the Skins.

Portis worked hard, but never won anything.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | February 26, 2011 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Mike Thomas is the 2nd greatest Redskin RB

Posted by: coparker5 | February 26, 2011 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Mike Thomas is the 2nd greatest Redskin RB

Posted by: coparker5 | February 26, 2011 7:23 PM

there's a name I hadn't heard in a long time ... real quick feet, took like 11 steps to go 3 yards. My uncle called him Thomas's promises.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 26, 2011 7:29 PM | Report abuse

"Sorry, beeps, I'm still looking for something rational from the "[Andre] Carter has no value" crowd. Because he has a ton more value than a 3rd round DL pick."

Interesting question: is Andre 'worth' a 3rd rounder? That's up to the market, of course. But I doubt it. Draft picks:

1. usually come cheaper than established vets (top ten picks excepted).
2. can be used for help at other positions.
3. can be flipped to another team in another deal more easily than a vet.
4. are younger.
5. are unknowns -- meaning you can fantasize about drafting the next star.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 26, 2011 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, beeps, I'm still looking for something rational from the "Carter has no value" crowd. Because he has a ton more value than a 3rd round DL pick.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 26, 2011 6:36 PM

And we're still waiting for you to cite one team in the NFL who thinks he has that value. Just one. All you can come up with is "Maybe Chicago..." "Maybe New Orleans..." When you've got one, then you've got a point. So far, you've only got "Zeke's Unique Perspective." As in, "Perspectives are like aszholes. Everyone's got one...."

Posted by: beep-beep | February 26, 2011 8:27 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep

Posted by: beep-beep | February 26, 2011 9:56 PM | Report abuse

I always felt that CP26's attitude has been a problem for the team... but I'm not in the locker room.

Still, it always seemed like he was the guy who wanted to take a break, didn't want to play pre-season, didn't want to practice, etc. Yeah, he's tough... he's also always hurt, though.

He'd play through pain, sure - but as soon as we weren't in contention, he'd get hurt for the rest of the year, no?

I admire a man who likes to dress up and has a fetish for pretty shoes, though. I heard him say once that he was going to have a mind-blowing, shocking announcement when he retired that nobody would see coming.

I don't think he's gay.

He does exhibit a lot of signals of a closet trans, though. I like transgendered people - I don't say that in a derogatory manner. I think it would be awesome if the NFL could get rid of the whole super-uber-macho thing, to be honest. Maybe Portis helps break the mold :)

Posted by: KellyInBC | February 26, 2011 10:20 PM | Report abuse

If Portis plays at the minimum it will be with a Superbowl contender - with incentives like LT does for the Jets. Portis has 2 years to win it all.

Posted by: artsnsportz | February 27, 2011 2:46 AM | Report abuse

Portis is done, and was done after his first two years in DC. His signing (and giving up Champ was inexcusable) was a bad one to begin with. He is a cancer, like many of the others frequently mentioned here. The difference is that when given his choices, he at least shut up (well, somewhat for Portis). Snyder gutted Zorn and bringing in Shanny was a good move. Remember, Shanny was the one who first let Portis go. Looks like symmetry to me.

Posted by: KDSmallJr | February 27, 2011 8:22 AM | Report abuse

wow, 7,400 yards could be beaten in 6 good seasons by even a pedestrian back in todays league if that cross-dresser portis had played like a man. let that bum go and take that scrub Moss and his post hitch catching antics with him. that is who need to go. he does that hands over the head crap and spins the ball after a 7 yard bench for a first down. blow the dump up and start over. no one over 25 should be on this years roster period.

Posted by: doyouktt | February 27, 2011 8:35 AM | Report abuse

This move is 2-3 years overdue!!!!

just more of the stupidity of the skins. the guy was obviously not the back he was 3-4 years ago yet they never made a pick to improve or build for the future.

Posted by: oknow1 | February 27, 2011 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Bye bye Portis. Thanks for your time. Hope you enjoy your rocking chair.

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | February 27, 2011 4:18 PM | Report abuse

portis is washed up---the redskins need to dump him for some young talent.

Posted by: Isocrates | February 27, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

portis was done 3 years ago. this org is a joke

Posted by: slick3 | February 27, 2011 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Those who keep wanting offensive skill position players, remember the 80's. Our QB's, WR's, and RB's were changed out due to injury and we did not miss a beat. What we had was a deep and consistent O-line. A strong O-line makes everyone better. And the defense was pretty consistent. The D-line was strong. Now switching to a 3-4, more emphasis is on the LB's than D-linemen, but the concept for winning is still the same. Strong, consistent O-line play (ability to run the ball) and a solid D. Until you have those 2 pieces in place the Offense skill positions should not be the focus. Best available player that hopefully fits in there.

Posted by: TwoCents5 | February 28, 2011 11:04 AM | Report abuse

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