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Redskins denied permission to interview Broncos' Turner

The Denver Broncos have denied the Redskins' request to interview running backs coach Bobby Turner for a position on new Coach Mike Shanahan's first staff, a league source said.

Washington sought to bring in Turner, a longtime member of the Broncos' staff under Shanahan, to speak with Redskins officials about possible opportunities as Shanahan, hired Tuesday, reorganizes the coaching staff.

Offensive coordinator Sherman Smith and running backs coach Stump Mitchell, who were hired by former coach Jim Zorn, have coached running backs on other teams.

By Jason Reid  |  January 8, 2010; 9:57 PM ET
Categories:  Mike Shanahan  
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Posted by: theduck | January 8, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

second

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 8, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

bummer

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 8, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Why don't we just trade them Portis for Bobby Turner and a second round pick?

Posted by: League-Source | January 8, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

please just get Stan Hixon away from the wr's

Posted by: coparker5 | January 8, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

What, wunderkind Josh McDaniels can't get his own RB coach.

Posted by: Predator48 | January 8, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Don't you have to have a RB in order to have a RB's Coach? I'm just sayin'

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 8, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Don't you have to have a RB in order to have a RB's Coach? I'm just sayin'

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 8, 2010 10:40 PM |

We have like 6. The question is are any of them any good?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 8, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

This is the guy that Bronco fans covet. This is the guy behind the great RB's found in Denver. If we can get this guy and everyone else that we want then i can see the playoffs either this or next year.

Posted by: ATLredskin | January 8, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

There not letting Bobby turner go, he's been the running backs coach for umteen years, ie Terrell Davis , Mike Bell... etc

Posted by: jiza32 | January 8, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure Shanahan and this Turner guy is friends. Why don't these guys pull a Snyder/Big Al agent and then the next day there will contract offer on the table paying twice as much as his old contract.

Posted by: ATLredskin | January 8, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

we make Bobby Turner the league's first Running Backs Coach/Assistant-Head Coach and they have to let us interview him, right?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 8, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

we make Bobby Turner the league's first Running Backs Coach/Assistant-Head Coach and they have to let us interview him, right?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 8, 2010 11:05 PM |

Not sure how that all works, but I'm sure there is a way around it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 8, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

please just get Stan Hixon away from the wr's

Posted by: coparker5


Could not agree more. COMPLETE overhaul should be on deck...

Posted by: RedDMV | January 8, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Tear it down and build it up.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 8, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Off last night's game I'm no longer pimping MIKE JOHNSON as a draft pick. But that ALABAMA left tackle #77 looked very good. JOHNSON whiffed on blocks and got punked on several dives and sweeps. Straight ahead he was good drive blocking, but his lateral movement left much to be desired in this game IMHO.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 8, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Does that mean they didn't block us from interviewing Rick Dennison, their O-line coach?

Also... how sweet would it be to get Toby Gerhart in a later round. He's a lot like Peyton Hillis, in my opinion, but with a greater upside.

Posted by: mmeixler | January 8, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Thats why the HOF is a joke guys like Michael Irving get in before Art Monk, give me a break Irving couldn't carry Monks jock. Monk didn't have a HOF QB either.

Posted by: Flounder21

I welcome this opportunity to agree with you. Any sports hall of fame that depends on Media or public voting is a joke.

Posted by: TheCork | January 9, 2010 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Thats why the HOF is a joke guys like Michael Irving get in before Art Monk, give me a break Irving couldn't carry Monks jock. Monk didn't have a HOF QB either.

Posted by: Flounder21

I welcome this opportunity to agree with you. Any sports hall of fame that depends on Media or public voting is a joke.

Posted by: TheCork | January 9, 2010 12:49 AM | Report abuse

And now Cris Carter is following the mirvin method of appearing in the media long enough to get voted into the Hall. Disgusting.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 9, 2010 1:56 AM | Report abuse

how much Jerry Gray has to do with the "take too long to attack" approach of Redskins' D?

Is 3-4 better suited to big Al?

Rak?

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | January 9, 2010 2:13 AM | Report abuse

We don't have the personal for a 3-4. Carter, orakpo and our LB's ate the only ones suited. We would have to move Al to DE the NT in te 3-4 needs to fill gaps not get up field. If we switch it will be a bad move.

Posted by: AnthonyMix | January 9, 2010 2:20 AM | Report abuse

J-la is reporting that we are going to interview Jim Haslett next week. No 3-4 for the real East teams. F Dallas!

Posted by: AnthonyMix | January 9, 2010 2:29 AM | Report abuse

We could go 3-4 if we got Wilfork and another speedy backer. Problem is the uncapped year is decimating the crop of UFA, and we have greater needs. I think that may force MS/BA hands as far as what defense we will run. Much will depend on who gets hired as DC. I think Gray is Plan B or even C if Zimmer declines MS offer/gets a HC job and Haslett does not come either.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 9, 2010 3:16 AM | Report abuse

denied by Denver to interview Turner..
Skins should counter with "we'll drive up Kyle Orton's Restricted Free Agent price tag" or you give us Turner.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 9, 2010 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Mora got fired in Seattle already. Weird enough Jim Zorn finished with a better overall record as a head coach in DC than Mora in Hawkland. Not that either had a good record.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 9, 2010 7:29 AM | Report abuse

denied by Denver to interview Turner..
Skins should counter with "we'll drive up Kyle Orton's Restricted Free Agent price tag" or you give us Turner.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 9, 2010 7:27 AM

Skins have a GM and, fortunately, it's not you. That's how Denver would end up with our first round pick this year.

Posted by: League-Source | January 9, 2010 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Stan Hixon is not even qualified to coach the WR in a middle school.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 9, 2010 7:33 AM | Report abuse

All of the 2008 Redskin coaches need to be replaced. Total change of culture is in order here, any players who aren't down with the new way of doing things, need to go as well.

Posted by: Jason10 | January 9, 2010 7:34 AM | Report abuse

Mora got fired in Seattle already. Weird enough Jim Zorn finished with a better overall record as a head coach in DC than Mora in Hawkland. Not that either had a good record.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 9, 2010 7:29 AM

Alex, Zorn had a better roster to work with. In fact, one GM said that it was a Super Bowl roster.

Posted by: League-Source | January 9, 2010 7:35 AM | Report abuse

L-S,
true but Zorn also went up against the NFC-E vs the NFC-W. Having the rams on your schedule 2x a year, we all know how that works out? And the Cards and Niners are good these days but not Eagles Giants Cowboys good.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 9, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Damn never mind, looks like Seattle may have matched Skins for the off season championship

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4810861

Posted by: alex35332 | January 9, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Damn never mind, looks like Seattle may have matched Skins for the off season championship

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4810861

Posted by: alex35332 | January 9, 2010 7:57 AM

Off Season Championship? Pete Carroll? How many NFL rings has he got? Guy has proven that he can't coach in the NFL. He's 33-31 in regular season and 1-2 in the playoffs.

Posted by: League-Source | January 9, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

never thought he would actually leave USC with all the success he was having out there

it will be interesting to see if carroll can make anything happen his second time around

Posted by: AhsanFamily | January 9, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Why don't they take a shot at getting the Chargers' running backs coach? Think about it: they have developed Tomlinson, Sproles and Turner. That's not a bad track record...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 9, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Why don't they take a shot at getting the Chargers' running backs coach? Think about it: they have developed Tomlinson, Sproles and Turner. That's not a bad track record...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 9, 2010 8:30 AM

What about the Titans RB coach. He produced a 2000 yard back, a few years ago, he helped another back set a franchise's single season rushing record. His charges seem to be able to churn out 100 yard games at will.

Posted by: TWISI | January 9, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Now this would be another good get IMO. Maybe he could work some miracles with the underachieving Anthony Montgomery.

JASON LA CANFORA
Waufle a candidate in Washington
Posted: January 8th, 2010 | Jason La Canfora | Tags: Bill Sheridan, Mike Waufle, New York Giants, Washington Redskins

Mike Waufle is a candidate for the defensive line coach vacancy with the Washington Redskins.

Waufle, who was fired by the Giants as their defensive line coach this week, is expected to meet with the Redskins next week, according to a league source.

Waufle was praised for his work with the Giants, developing players like Justin Tuck and Osi Umenyiora. He coached a unit that was dominating at times, but the entire defense slipped in 2009, and the team generated a more tempered pass rush. Umenyiora, in particular, also clashed with first-year defensive coordinator Bill Sheridan, who was also fired at the end of the season.

Posted by: TWISI | January 9, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

I love Wilbons recent article where he takes a wait and see attitude. I too feel it would have been better if BA had hired a coach, not DS. Have things really changed? We'll all have to wait and see. It is not anything against Shanahan, just seems to be more of the same.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 9, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

This from the Jersey Star-Ledger:

Mike Waufle has been a very popular coach among the Giants’ defensive linemen the past couple of years. Unfortunately for Waufle, the players don’t make the call on whether he remains employed.

The veteran assistant, a defensive line coach with the Raiders and Giants from 1998 through this past season, was dismissed by coach Tom Coughlin on Wednesday afternoon, the team announced.

Waufle’s firing is a surprise because he was a player favorite and a former Marine with the work ethic Coughlin admires. He has also received plenty of public endorsements over the past couple of seasons from players like Michael Strahan, Justin Tuck and Osi Umenyiora - all of whom praised Waufle's teaching techniques.

But the Giants’ pass rush wasn’t nearly as effective this past season as it had been the previous two years under defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo. The Giants recorded 32 sacks this season (tied for 18th in the league) after leading the league with 53 in 2007 and then racking up 42 last season. So in the end, it was decided Waufle’s popularity among the players wasn’t enough to ensure his job security.

Posted by: League-Source | January 9, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

1965skinsfan it's little backwards, but listening to BA and MS they seem to be well in charge. Shanny's hiring his staff his wa, and BA seemed to have given the FO a vision and direction. Time will tell, but I think Snyder has seen his way has only caused the team to continue it's recent slide.

Posted by: TWISI | January 9, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: League-Source | January 9, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

You had me at "former Marine" and "work ethic". This sounds like a significant upgrade over what we've had for that unit and that we'd stay in a 4-3. Waufle's unit has performed better depending on overall scheme, I wonder what Spags did differently with his secondary and overall scheme.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 9, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

And I guess all of the injuries in the secondary didn't help the ginas this either...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 9, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I hope the Skins can draft Sue somehow. Imagine Haynesworth and Sue between Carter and Orakpo!

Then draft O-line in the 2nd and Colt McCoy in the 4th!

Posted by: Mike4169 | January 9, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Mike Waufle is a candidate for the defensive line coach vacancy with the Washington Redskins.

Posted by: TWISI | January 9, 2010 9:26 AM

This move might help against OLmen going for pancake blocks.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 9, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

"But the Giants’ pass rush wasn’t nearly as effective this past season as it had been the previous two years under defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo."



This is how the New York media puts a slant and influence on things.

The New York Giant offensive line also wasn't as stellar as usual, and what, they're going to fire the guy who coaches them?

The Giant passing game hasn't been all that great since Plax got locked up, and what, the team should release Eli Manning and fire Kevin Gilbride?

Second-guessing, Monday Morning quarterbacking reporters get guys fired in New York.

The Mets, Yanks, Rangers, Jets, Giants, and Knicks--yes, they are a professional franchise--deal with a "Fire Dat Coach" media frenzy routinely.

Coulda, woulda, shoulda, is what makes up the Empire State of mind.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Who's going to coach the LBs? Mrs. Butterworth?

Posted by: skinfanman | January 9, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

1965,

Are you still talking about the hireing of the coach, what part of Shanny and BA were a package deal the whole time don't you understand.

I don't care if my daughter hired Shanny he is in complete control Snyder is out, and I'm sure Shannny's contract has several clauses in it that says that very thing.

The only way Snyder can F it up is by firing Shanny before he can rebuild the team ala Marty. Now I have know idea if that will happen, but I guess we will see.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Great article from Dallas of all places:
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Final thought: Zorn was mistreated in Washington
11:30 AM Fri, Jan 08, 2010
Rick Gosselin/Columnist

Jim Zorn didn't deserve the treatment he received from the Washington Redskins. No one does.

Owner Dan Snyder stripped Zorn of the offensive play-calling responsibilities in October, then started interviewing prospective head-coaching candidates in December while Zorn was still coaching his tail off to salvage the season. Zorn was finally fired at the conclusion of the season with a 12-20 record to show for his two years with the Redskins.

Lucky for Tom Landry that Dan Snyder didn't own the expansion Cowboys. He'd have fired Landry two seasons into his tenure as coach with that 4-20-2 record. Chuck Noll would have suffered the same fate. He was only 6-22 after his first two seasons in Pittsburgh. Bill Walsh was only 2-14 after one first season in San Francisco. That might have gotten him whacked by Snyder, who fired Marty Schottenheimer after just one season in 2001 -- and he posted an 8-8 record.

It's easy to pull for Jim Zorn and hard to pull for Dan Snyder.

====================
I just watched the 1st Dallas game in 2008 - remember Zorn was the first Redskins head coach since George Allen to beat Dallas in Dallas on his first try. The announcers were just gushing with praise for Zorn and his play calling abilities. The next week, Zorn beats Philly in Philly - and there's video of Snyder literally dancing and shouting with joy that the Skins have just beaten both Dallas and Philly in their own stadiums.

After two more wins, we went 6-19. What happened? Did Zorn lose his ability? No - if you watch the games, you will note that when the Redskins are clicking offensively - Campbell is taking deep drops and has plenty of protection - Portis has holes to run through. Yet, for the last 25 games, almost without exception, Campbell has only been able to take 3 step drops and has been constantly been knocked to the ground, and Portis and others have had very few running lanes.

You tell me - was Zorn the problem or was it a front office that didn't listen to its coaching staff and fix an aging/ailing offensive line, but instead lusted after Haynesworth?

Thank you Jim Zorn for being the man that you are. You helped the Redskins get rid of Vinny Cerrato and put Dan Snyder in the back seat. Frankly, I don't believe that Shanahan will have any more success than Joe Gibbs, but at least you've given him a chance. Again, thank you.

Posted by: SkinsFan2111 | January 9, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I love the way Florio at PFT is totally giving the Hawks a pass on the sham there making of the rooney rule.

Plus he had an article about why would the Redskins want a coach like Shanny pretty much saying Shanny sucks. He makes no mention of how bad PC was in his first coaching stint in the NFL, I will take SB coach over Nat. Champ. coach any day.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Sports Illustrated had a photo spread of the 12 worthwhile (actual) unrestrricted free agents ... apart from the drool worthy Karlos Dansby in Arizona, there is a guard from Tennessee who I think the Skins should chase. He's only 27 and was part of the line that made Kerry Collins look like a legitimate QB.

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/01/special-teams-assistant-tabor-could-be-attractive.html

an article about special teams coach chris tabor from the bears possibly coming to the skins

id much rather have the guy that got fired in buffalo

Posted by: AhsanFamily | January 9, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

I predict Pete Carroll will be a complete bust with the Seahags.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 9, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Eugene Amano

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I predict Pete Carroll will be a complete bust with the Seahags.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 9, 2010 10:40 AM |

I'll second that!!!!!!

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I love the way Florio at PFT is totally giving the Hawks a pass on the sham there making of the rooney rule.

Plus he had an article about why would the Redskins want a coach like Shanny pretty much saying Shanny sucks. He makes no mention of how bad PC was in his first coaching stint in the NFL, I will take SB coach over Nat. Champ. coach any day.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse
I agree, Flounder. Success in college coaching does not mean success in pro football. Just ask Steve Spurrier. I'll take MS over PC any day!

And, no, Seattle has not won the off-season championship, not this year, not ever. HTTR!

Posted by: frediefritz | January 9, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Flounder21, this doesn't sound like a pass from pft ...

Report: Carroll agrees to coach Seahawks
Posted by Michael David Smith on January 9, 2010 8:53 AM ET

Pete Carroll leaving USC to coach the Seattle Seahawks appears to be a done deal.

Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that Carroll has agreed on a deal to take the job. According to Schefter, the only hangup is that the Seahawks can't make the hiring official until they comply with the Rooney Rule by interviewing a minority candidate.

Of course, at this point, if the Seahawks do interview a minority candidate solely to comply with the Rooney Rule, they would be making a complete mockery of the Rooney Rule.

Vikings defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier has reportedly decided to sit for an interview after being assured that Carroll doesn't have the job yet. Perhaps after reading Schefter's report, Frazier will change his mind.

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

As a Redskins fan I can feel the Settle fans pain come next season for we have had our share of coaching moves like this .

i feel their pain

Posted by: joevick | January 9, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Sports Illustrated had a photo spread of the 12 worthwhile (actual) unrestrricted free agents ... apart from the drool worthy Karlos Dansby in Arizona, there is a guard from Tennessee who I think the Skins should chase. He's only 27 and was part of the line that made Kerry Collins look like a legitimate QB.

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Interesting. Eugene Amano has been a starter at OG the last 2 years with Titans, including 13-3 record in 2008. 6-3, 310, turns 28 in 2 months. And he has played 6 seasons.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 9, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Eugene Amano

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2010 10:41 AM

Do you people not read my posts. I've been mentioning this guy for the past month. Not sure he fits Shanny's OL profile, seems he needs to work at getting better blocks at the second level. However, I'd give him shot.

Posted by: TWISI | January 9, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Eugene Amano looks good on paper, but I'm not sure he fits Shanny's OL profile.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 9, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully Shanahan will visit with Turner when he is in Denver. It would be nice to get him.I hope Philly can light it up tonight. Pete Carroll sounds like they are going to go through what we did with the ol ball coach

Posted by: skinsfanfrmbirth | January 9, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Do you people not read my posts?

Posted by: TWISI | January 9, 2010 10:57 AM

I definitely do ... but there are some in btwn threads from the last time I was in the conversation that I just have to skip over the comment sections to catch up. Like my take on MistaMoe, I always slow down to read a TWISI post. [p.s. Is TWISI an acronym for something?]

Also, before watching any of these games, I'm feeling like the winner of the Jets/Bengals game is going to the Super Bowl ... match-wise (mostly b/c I think the Jets could be the Chargers). For the life of me, however, I couldn't pick a winner btwn the Jets and Bengals ... I would onlhy take the under.

On the Seahawks, they would be LUCKY if they could land Leslie Frazier ... if they do hire Pete Carroll, I'm saying that Frazier's team next year will have a better record (and regardless, Frazier will be a head coach somewhere).

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

So there it is RI , the Seahawks abuse the Rooney rule blatenly (did I spell that right). And then you have people up here criticizing Daniel . The man is trying to change but people won't let him , not saying he's perfect because he's not but let's not dwell in the past ( if you can move on) but look to the future.We will be a better football team because of the moves that was made. And another thing about that Zorn article in Dallas, people that live glass houses shouldn't throw stones, I got two words for you Dallas , Bill Parcells (why didn't you retain him??????) . And is there anybody beating Jim Zorn doors down for ANY NFL JOB???? I Dont Think So !! So f_ _k Dallas and Jim Zorn had a shot at it

Posted by: jiza32 | January 9, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Jets could BEAT the Chargers ... nobody could be the Chargers ... except, of course, for the Chargers (and maybe a box of jumper cables).

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Blatantly. *The blog does have built in spell check, you know...just right click on the word with the red underline.*

P.S. I think Bengals-Jets in the playoffs at Cincinnati is going to be a lot different than the meaningless season-ending game in the swamps of Jersey.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 9, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

TWISI= The Way I See It

Posted by: TWISI | January 9, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Skins should think about drafting Berry with the 4th. i know we need oline but there a few in FA we could look at. Berry is almost 100% guarenteed to be a fantastic player, something that you cant say about any QBs. Ive heard questions about all the OT in this draft aswell. 4th is too high to pick someone with question marks and Berry is an elite player worthy of that pick. He would also allow us to put Landry back at SS which we desperately need to do. Draft Berry at 4 and put the rest of our focus on rebuilding the Oline

Posted by: anonymous35 | January 9, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 9, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Looking closely at the FA in the Sports Illustrated article, I can see how the Skins can acquire a few D players to make the move to 3-4. They would have to grab, Dansby, and Hampton. LBs would be Roc, Dnasby, Flet, Orak with dept from Wilson, Blades, Henson (if he comes on). They could address LB latter in the draft as well. The front could be Carter, Hampton, Haynesworth. There will be plenty of flexibility with the depth guys on the DL. Also, the front 7 could easily switch to 4-3 depending on the packages used.

Posted by: TWISI | January 9, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

What about the Titans RB coach. He produced a 2000 yard back, a few years ago, he helped another back set a franchise's single season rushing record. His charges seem to be able to churn out 100 yard games at will.

Posted by: TWISI | January 9, 2010 9:04 AM
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ernest byner is the titans' rb coach!!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | January 9, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

You tell me - was Zorn the problem or was it a front office that didn't listen to its coaching staff and fix an aging/ailing offensive line, but instead lusted after Haynesworth?

Posted by: SkinsFan2111 | January 9, 2010 10:27 AM

I'm telling you: Zorn was the problem. If Shanahan had coached the same roster that Zorn led to 4-12, he would have gone 10-6. His team would have been better prepared, better trained, better motivated and better managed. They would have won these six games that Zorn couldn't win: Detroit, Kansas City, Carolina, Dallas, New Orleans, San Diego. Shanahan would have put that roster in the playoffs.

If Zorn had coached the New Orleans roster, they would have gone 7-9. Zorn is not a good coach. He doesn't know what he's doing.

Posted by: League-Source | January 9, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Josh McNitWit is a dumb A$$. He will soon learn that attempting to hold people in positions rather than letting them explore other opportunities is a poor managment decision. Lets add turner to the list of people that McNitWit has alienated ( Marshall and Sheffler ).

Posted by: m_p_holmes | January 9, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

LS, not only all of that (with which i heartily concur) Zorn tried to ramrod his vision of what an offense should do rather than scheme to his roster, game plan for his opponents, and adjust during the game to what was, and was not, working. I don't see Jerruh rushing after Zoron to replace Garrett.

Best in game adjustment ever: Redskins were losing 10 nothing to the pre Shanahan Elway Broncos when Gibbs an his staff made adjustments after the first quarter. They went to the famous Plan B. 35 points later, Timmy Smith ran counter trey left and right for the entire second half to get into the Super Bowl record book. One game, Two adjustments, Second Lombardi trophy.

If it had been Zorn "well gosh jiminy, i planned for us to win the game, and called plays that worked in practice, but those guys have coaches too, and they sure stopped us. Congrats to them."

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 9, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

The only reason PC is getting out of college football, is that he knows sanctions are on the way and his draft classes in the past two years have not produced the same talent as 4 or 5 years ago. Look at SCs record, while SC has declined the rest of the PAC10 is getting more competitive.

Posted by: m_p_holmes | January 9, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

The only reason PC is getting out of college football, is that he knows sanctions are on the way and his draft classes in the past two years have not produced the same talent as 4 or 5 years ago. Look at SCs record, while SC has declined the rest of the PAC10 is getting more competitive.

Posted by: m_p_holmes | January 9, 2010 12:07 PM

Undoubtedly a factor, but hardly "only reason." Reportedly he's getting $7 million a year. Do you honestly believe that's not a big part of his decision?

Posted by: League-Source | January 9, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, it looks like its all crumbling at SC. PC is going to be deposed, and the NCAA is going be out for SC blood after the Reggie Bush thing, the Mayo thing, and now SUV gate.

PC is gonna gonna the the h3ll outta dodge, go take down 7 mil for three years, get fired, and then go back to college. Lather, Rinse, repeat.

Bet Rick Neuheisel is loving being ceded LA. Until he fuLcs up, too.

Wait, isn't there a famous Trojan alum in these parts?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 9, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

It does not seem fair that the sanctions are only imposed on the institution. The coaches that violate the rules should be held accountable as well. You are absolutley right he will probably be back in college football in five years coaching Notre Dame.

Posted by: m_p_holmes | January 9, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

The only reason PC is getting out of college football...
Plus, his girlfriend is graduating, and so he has no apartment on campus for next year.

At least, that's what Charlie Weis told me.

Posted by: daggar | January 9, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Just give Turner a new title and a raise - Broncos can only deny a lateral move. Jack up the coaching staff with "associate head coaches" - Snyder has the $$$.

Posted by: i155133 | January 9, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

At least, that's what Charlie Weis told me.

Posted by: daggar | January 9, 2010 12:28 PM |

WINNER!
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 9, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else completely against hiring Jim Haslett as the D-coordinator? I lived in New Orleans while he was head coach there, and his defenses were far from elite. Can anybody say that he did great as D-coordinator in St. Louis either? Granted, they don't have great talent there, but I don't see what the hype would be. Would much rather get Zimmer, if we could, or promote Gray, where there would be some continuity on defense as the offense adjusts to a new system. Just my two cents...

Posted by: DCinSD | January 9, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I think the Rooney rule is a sham. There's a reason affirmative action didn't work. The NFL's version is a joke because all teams have a list of coaches that they want. NO one hires a black coach because he hit a home run in the interview they were forced to give him. Black coaches get hired because they merit it, not because they Rooney Ruled into it. Those black coaches that get hired were on the teams short lists. 3 I can think of with Steelers, Colts, and Bucs.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 9, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else completely against hiring Jim Haslett as the D-coordinator? I lived in New Orleans while he was head coach there, and his defenses were far from elite. Can anybody say that he did great as D-coordinator in St. Louis either? Granted, they don't have great talent there, but I don't see what the hype would be. Would much rather get Zimmer, if we could, or promote Gray, where there would be some continuity on defense as the offense adjusts to a new system. Just my two cents...

Posted by: DCinSD | January 9, 2010 12:37 PM

I agree.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 9, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

TWISI eagles vs. chargers in the superbowl and the colts will lose their first game next week.

Posted by: dealer1 | January 9, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else completely against hiring Jim Haslett as the D-coordinator? I lived in New Orleans while he was head coach there, and his defenses were far from elite. Can anybody say that he did great as D-coordinator in St. Louis either? Granted, they don't have great talent there, but I don't see what the hype would be. Would much rather get Zimmer, if we could, or promote Gray, where there would be some continuity on defense as the offense adjusts to a new system. Just my two cents...

Posted by: DCinSD | January 9, 2010 12:37 PM

I agree as well. I said yesterday that the fact he wanted to bring Krumrie along as his DL coach, slid him down my pecking order. I like all these coaches as better options

Zimmer
Jim Mora Jr
Jerry Gray

I would like any D coach under the Buddy Ryan tree. I want to see some creatuve pressure packges next year from the Skins D.

Posted by: TWISI | January 9, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Anyone hear any rumors about Seattle interviewing Jim Zorn for their head coaching position?

...

...

...didn't think so...

Posted by: p1funk | January 9, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Those black coaches that get hired were on the teams short lists. 3 I can think of with Steelers, Colts, and Bucs.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 9, 2010 12:43 PM

Leslie Frazier should be on every team's short list. The Viking's defense has been for real for a while, where the last missing piece got filled by boozie from Kansas City. Williams Wall and E.J. Henderson play Frazier style.

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

USC is looking at Jeff Fisher from Tenn. he is an alum from there.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

TWISI eagles vs. chargers in the superbowl and the colts will lose their first game next week.

Posted by: dealer1 | January 9, 2010 12:53 PM

Dealer, TWISI is registered as a trademark. Any use without my express permission is a violation of the copy write laws.

Posted by: TWISI | January 9, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

I figure Zorn will end up in Buffalo after everybody else stiffs them. Its what he does.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 9, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I can see the ad:

Jim Zorn. Because the job can't go unfilled.

Posted by: daggar | January 9, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Why wouldn't you interview Zorn to comply with the Looney Rule?



Posted by: daggar | January 9, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

What do you guys think about this..

San Fran might want a franchise Qb so they have two first round draft picks so we swap with them draft CJ Spiller with number 13 and with number 16 we trade back if we can to gain additional picks... It will give us a chance to pick up Two quality tackles not juss one elite one and possibly a guard

Posted by: PardenMiSwage | January 9, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Fisher in the mix for USC job
Posted by Michael David Smith on January 9, 2010 11:50 AM ET
Tennessee Titans owner Bud Adams said this week that Jeff Fisher would remain the team's head coach. But now that Pete Carroll appears set to vacate the job at Fisher's alma mater, USC, things could be changing.

We noted when Adams said Fisher would stay that Adams might actually be hoping someone comes along and offers to take Fisher away without Adams having to pay off the remainder of Fisher's contract. Could the Trojans be that "someone"?

Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that USC athletic director Mike Garrett tried to hire Fisher before he hired Carroll in 2001, and that Garrett could turn to Fisher again now.

Schefter also reports that Adams might be receptive to letting Fisher go.

Fisher's children are grown, and he may be looking for new opportunities. The USC opening may be the right opportunity to make the league's longest-tenured head coach head elsewhere.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 9, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Zorn was the problem... Zorn uncoached a Gibbs playoff team from 6-2 to 2-6. The discipline eroded as players realized Zorn was not the final say and Cerrato/Snyder were..
But, most if not equally important, opposing D Coordinators had enough tape on Zorn and Campbell (and on other DCoordinator's adjustments) after 8 games to easily predict the plays.. 3 and out became pretty normal the last 8 games of 2008.
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You tell me - was Zorn the problem or was it a front office that didn't listen to its coaching staff and fix an aging/ailing offensive line, but instead lusted after Haynesworth?

Posted by: SkinsFan2111 | January 9, 2010 10:27 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 9, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I am sure they know Denver's threshold for Free Agency. I would guess Denver would still match Offers at the First round level..
Kyle Orton is the best RFA QB available.
My favorite stat is his QB rating with less than 7 in the 4th Quarter (106).

(btw, anyone know if its current year compensation picks, or the next year?)
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denied by Denver to interview Turner..
Skins should counter with "we'll drive up Kyle Orton's Restricted Free Agent price tag" or you give us Turner.
Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 9, 2010 7:27 AM
.....That's how Denver would end up with our first round pick this year.
Posted by: League-Source | January 9, 2010 7:32 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 9, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

You tell me - was Zorn the problem or was it a front office that didn't listen to its coaching staff and fix an aging/ailing offensive line, but instead lusted after Haynesworth?

Posted by: SkinsFan2111 | January 9, 2010 10:27 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 9, 2010 1:18 PM |

Probably some combination

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 9, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I beg to differ, Affirmative Action definitely worked and this country is better for it. The Rooney Rule doesn't force teams to hire black coaches. The purpose is to include people in the selection process - those that have historically been artifically excluded from the process.

Posted by: coparker5 | January 9, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

daggar wins..
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Why wouldn't you interview Zorn to comply with the Looney Rule?

Posted by: daggar | January 9, 2010 1:15 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 9, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

The irony of the Rooney rule in the NFL is that the NFL has an anti-trust exemption. So they force open market fairness upon their franchises in interviewing minorities.. Yet, they are protected by Congress from other organizations competing against them in an open market.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 9, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Pete Carroll, you are making a huge mistake. College is where you need to stay. But I guess 7 mil is hard to turn down. Too bad you were only making around 5 mil at USC. How much is enouph?

Posted by: diamond_jim | January 9, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I beg to differ, Affirmative Action definitely worked and this country is better for it. The Rooney Rule doesn't force teams to hire black coaches. The purpose is to include people in the selection process - those that have historically been artifically excluded from the process.

Posted by: coparker5 | January 9, 2010 1:28 PM

Sorry, I gotta disagree. Affirmative action forced companies to exclude many people that were better qualified for a position and is basically a reverse discrimination (is there really such a thing or is it just another form of discrimination)tool. If clubs want to exclude candidates because of color and shoot themselves in the foot by excluding possibly better candidates then let 'em. It's their own loss.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 9, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Diamond Jim... he is getting out of dodge. USC scandals are blowing up and the program is gonna implode.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 9, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

"...and there's video of Snyder literally dancing and shouting with joy....after two more wins, we went 6-19. What happened?"

He started doing a dance the kids call the "Gag and vomit".

And this past Sunday night, there's video of him doing the "Zorn, you're fired!"

There is a rumor that if the team wins with Mike Shanahan, he'll being seen doing a little number called "The Beaver".

I can't wait to get a shot of that.

The beaver, I mean.

And when I see it, man am I going to do it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Diamond Jim... he is getting out of dodge. USC scandals are blowing up and the program is gonna implode.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 9, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I heard this as well, espn radio was throwing out probation and/or worse but didn't say what USC did. Question I have is why would Fisher be interested in going there knowing this? He wouldn't.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 9, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Fisher is the Original Trojan gone good.

USC needs somebody to come in and clean up the mess, and Fisher brings the gravitas to keep the recruits coming....hell Fisher has more chops than Carroll ever did or will.

Fisher is in a win win situation... he can clean up his alma mater, and start with low expectations since its gonna be such damaged goods. The men of Troy will DIG DEEP to land Fisher... its their only real move.

And lets face it... coaching USC in LA is a LOT better than at least a few NFL jobs. Buffalo Bills? Detroit Lions?? USC Trojans. Hmmmmmm, not really that tough a call.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 9, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

"Affirmative action forced companies to exclude many people that were better qualified..."

How can this be true when every legitmate source of employment data shows that white male employment is double that of black males?

White males, on average, earn more money, have supervisory roles, and exceed every demographic group and sex when issues of education and experienced are equaled out.

Affirmative action fears are a rouse trafficked by people who don't know the data: white females are the principal beneficiaries of such policies.

Google the subject for confirmation, please, cause it's a fact that most race based policies benefit several groups and both sexes.

But black folk get blamed for it.

And do you know what is the one place race discrimination exists that white males who hate 'reverse discrimination' don't complain?: the criminal justice system.

Case in point: not a one of the highly qualified white males responsible for the financial meltdown the nation has experienced public shame or arrest.

Billions have been spent to correct the cluelessness of the highly qualified blonde Wall Street banker set who are all eager to argue about merit and a colorblind society.

Perhaps we should put them and Affirmative Action arguments in the same foreclosed upon home.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmmm....freezing weather and longjohns vs college campus (!!) with beautiful weather...worst looser in NFL vs biggest chicken dinner in NCAA...Kaneohe, good point on redemption factor.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 9, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Billions have been spent to correct the cluelessness of the highly qualified blonde Wall Street banker set who are all eager to argue about merit and a colorblind society


Come on Moe. Everybody knows blondes are dumb.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 9, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Case in point: not a one of the highly qualified white males responsible for the financial meltdown the nation has experienced public shame or arrest.

Bernie "Made off with" Madoff

Posted by: frediefritz | January 9, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Case in point: not a one of the highly qualified white males responsible for the financial meltdown the nation has experienced public shame or arrest.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2010 2:14 PM

It's sad that you feel only white people held these positions. I do not know of anyone, any color, that was held responsible for the meltdown that was ALL of our faults.

Posted by: Mike4169 | January 9, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully the Bengals lose (badly) to the Jets tonight so we can out-bid them for Mike Zimmer.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 9, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Gawd. Olbermann, Peter King, and Florio on set on NBC. Where is an al queda bomber when you need one?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 9, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Case in point: not a one of the highly qualified white males responsible for the financial meltdown the nation has experienced public shame or arrest.

I guess it depends on how you define "responsible for the financial meltdown". There are going to be mortgage brokers who are going to go to jail for illegal and fraudulent schemes that were used. But there are plenty of honest people in the mortgage business, who did nothing illegal. They will not go to jail. It's still too early for the legal cases to have been made.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 9, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

"Gawd. Olbermann, Peter King, and Florio on set on NBC. Where is an al queda bomber when you need one?"

I hate football on NBC.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

"Affirmative action forced companies to exclude many people that were better qualified..."

How can this be true when every legitmate source of employment data shows that white male employment is double that of black males?...

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Moe, affirmative action was a clumsy attempt to address a longstanding (and still uncorrected) problem of under-representation of minorities in the workplace. It was a band aid placed over a gaping wound, so to speak, by trying to fix the wrong end of the issue. In the process it did not always place the most qualified person in the available position, or grant the most qualified student admission to college, but it helped a lot of people get opportunities otherwise impossible.

It's a complex problem, one that needs to be addressed at the roots. Equal opportunity to first rate education starting at a young age is good place to start, IMHO. There are a lot of other socioeconomic factors that need attention, and while progress is being made, race is indeed still an issue. A youth movement in government and exec positions is in order, that would help as my and the younger generations are less race conscious than the ones that are before me (I'm 33).

I don't fear AA, I just would hope there is a more comprehensive and farther reaching solution. Give everyone the same resources to work with, access to opportunities (which is what the Rooney rule is), and continue to monitor for racial inequities.

Hasn't there been movement recently on eliminating the mandatory sentences for crack, which were 200 times stiffer than for cocaine? A small step, but justice has a loooooooong way to go.

You're right, the real crime is the people responsible for the recent financial crisis getting away scot free.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 9, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

frediefritz

"I guess it depends on how you define "responsible for the financial meltdown".


Please do not think I feel just the nation's financial issues are all the faults of educated white men.

This is a blog, so you really can't prase out your thoughts and define ideas in a way that gives them proper depth and veracity.

I try to write quickly and clearly so folks don't have to work their way through my posts.

All Americans are effected by what we do on a individual basis.

And I'm sorry for singling out one group for what was a group error: the banking, housing, and market meltdown of the past three years.

You're right to point out the generalities I listed to make a wider point: race is an American mess.

And your point of view about it really is effected by what part of the mess you're in.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Sorry I started this. It's a good discussion and a worthy one. Both sides have good points for and against and no one will be 100% right. I guess in the end, for me, it comes down to this, unless you are born into wealth and power everyone has some form of struggle to overcome in their lives. Whether it be race, poverty, drug addiction, alcoholism, location, sex, or handicap everyone has some form of injustice to deal with and life ain't fair. To me, these policies are a clumsy attempt to deal with an issue that should be a no brainer for anyone that has half a brain. You put the best person in the position. Unfortunately it seems that a lot of people don't have half a brain so we let others make policies governing our actions. Pretty pathetic.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 9, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Isn't Alex Gibbs the key to the running game anyways? The O-Line coach who teaches the chop-blocking that opens up all the holes for Generic Running Backs to run through.

Posted by: rooster75 | January 9, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

"Isn't Alex Gibbs the key to the running game anyways?"

I like how the jets took a failed head coach, Bill Callahan, and let him become an offensive line coach.

The jets have one of the best lines in the league (if not the best).

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Well, I'm glad Danny took the affirmative action of firing Zorn and bringing in BA and MS.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 9, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Isn't Alex Gibbs the key to the running game anyways? The O-Line coach who teaches the chop-blocking that opens up all the holes for Generic Running Backs to run through.

Posted by: rooster75 | January 9, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse.

Right, so we don't need Bobby turner!!!

Posted by: jiza32 | January 9, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Please do not think I feel just the nation's financial issues are all the faults of educated white men.

This is a blog, so you really can't prase out your thoughts and define ideas in a way that gives them proper depth and veracity.

I try to write quickly and clearly so folks don't have to work their way through my posts.

All Americans are effected by what we do on a individual basis.

And I'm sorry for singling out one group for what was a group error: the banking, housing, and market meltdown of the past three years.

You're right to point out the generalities I listed to make a wider point: race is an American mess.

And your point of view about it really is effected by what part of the mess you're in.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

No, Moe, I appreciate your writings on this blog. And I agree it is really difficult to express complex feelings about complex situations...racial discrimination, and the financial meltdown.

I agree with RomoLB that a good education is certainly one of the most important "rights" that can solve discrimination. I'm 64, so I have seen many changes, but recognize that there is still much discrimination. There always will be. It's just part of being human. But a good education will teach us so much about understanding other people.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 9, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I agree, scamp, there are too many half-brainers out there.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 9, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"I'm glad Danny took the affirmative action of firing Zorn and bringing in BA and MS."



At midseason, I was ready to say give Zorn a chance.

But the saints, jints, and cowboys losses--albeit against good teams--convinced me otherwise.

Then the chargers' second teamers beat the redskins starters in a contest that had the curious air of practice for them and a game for us.

Whatever air Zorn had pumped into the team at half time of the Atlanta game was gone, and each and every unit underperformed or looked totally mismatched.

The team looked like a confluence of Vinny's roster schemes and Zorn's witless mismanagement.

Again: Jim Zorn is a nice man.

But he's not a head football coach.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

All these high-falutin' titles to circumvent the prohibitions against lateral hiring crack me up.

I predict the next organizational move under Snyder/Allen/Shanahan will be to introduce the new position of Executive Head Coach for . Then the 'Skins can go out and make all the lateral hires they want. The Fritz Pollard Alliance will issue a press release to approve the move, then withdraw it 30 minutes later when they realize their automatic rubber stamp wasn't actually required.

Posted by: rooster75 | January 9, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

So, I'm in the mood for draft talk, specifically O-Line. Whose available at 4 and more importantly, who seems to be a god fit? What about 5th pick of second round. I've heard that the T out of OKST Okung is supposed to be the best of this year's crop. Any major knocks on him. Just dreaming of having a dominant line again...

Posted by: DCinSD | January 9, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

You're right to point out the generalities I listed to make a wider point: race is an American mess.

And your point of view about it really is effected by what part of the mess you're in.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2010 3:02 PM

Not quite MistaMoe, actually race is much better in the US than most advanced world,try Canada, its much worst. Hidden and disguised racism is daily order.

Posted by: abxinc | January 9, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I agree, scamp, there are too many half-brainers out there.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 9, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Half a brain would be a huge improvement for the majority of the human race.

Posted by: Keyskonnection | January 9, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Watch Darrelle Reavis.

He's the best cornerback in the NFL.

And watch the jets o-line.

Those guys are very good.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 9, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

It will be interesting to see if Mike Pettine (DC of the Jets) gets a call at some point. The Skins may have to give him an Asst Head Coach to pull away from the Jets. However, this guy's rep seems to be on the rise.

Posted by: TWISI | January 9, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Gawd. Olbermann, Peter King, and Florio on set on NBC. Where is an al queda bomber when you need one?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 9, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I don't care who you are, now that there's funny!

Posted by: SkinsfaninPeru | January 9, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Braylon Edwards...

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 9, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I used to really like that guy. Now I'm glad he doesn't play for us. Braylon I mean

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 9, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Of course Santana drops as many passes as anyone.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 9, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

The Jets best defensive player today is Carson Palmer.

Posted by: TWISI | January 9, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Gawd. Olbermann, Peter King, and Florio on set on NBC.

... The cause of global warming. I would suggest they can 'go green' and save some electricity.

Posted by: daggar | January 9, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Gawd. Olbermann, Peter King, and Florio on set on NBC. Where is an al queda bomber when you need one?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 9, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I don't care who you are, now that there's funny!

Posted by: SkinsfaninPeru | January 9, 2010 5:17 PM

What if you are someone with a sense of humor?

Posted by: mack1 | January 9, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Someone needs to cage that varmint trying to crawl up into Peko's helmet.

Zimmer's D is not impressing right now.

Posted by: swowra | January 9, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

What if you are someone with a sense of humor?

Posted by: mack1


You'd laugh, unless you have your undies all bunched up your azz

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 9, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

That was a cheap PI call good of went against Stinko as well.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to hear that '65. Maybe you could find a stick or call a friend to help you unbunch them.

Posted by: mack1 | January 9, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Why is it every time an African goes him we must use the word ancestral homeland instead of just home back to Africa?

Posted by: TWISI | January 9, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Mack, I didn't think of that.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 9, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Man, the Bengals are getting porked right now. The Jets are running the ball at will.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 9, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Man, the Bengals are getting porked right now. The Jets are running the ball at will.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 9, 2010 6:47 PM

That OL is sick.

Posted by: TWISI | January 9, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Anbody still think Sanchez is not better then JC?

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

They're fat guys, around 3 bills, but they're quick.

That OL is sick.

Posted by: TWISI | January 9, 2010 6:48 PM

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The Jets have a good offensive line. JC may be better than Carson Palmer though. Carson's stinkin' it up.

Anbody still think Sanchez is not better then JC?

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2010 6:48 PM

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 9, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Just wanted to take this moment to say Florio is a piece of dirty buttwipe.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 9, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 9, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Hey guys in the NFL one can't trade, or bargan in any manner players for coaches.

Posted by: rmilton | January 10, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

"Former Marine" and "Work Ethic"? I know a former Marine. He stays home all day and plays Halo while smoking weed and making prank phone calls. I know another former Marine who offers to wash my windshield everyday for free if I give him 2 dollars. I guess he does have work ethic, but it's a tad dis-placed.

Posted by: wewbank1 | January 11, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

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