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Redskins' first question centers on the quarterback

"If you're the Washington Redskins, the first decision you have to make is the quarterback position. If you believe there's a franchise quarterback available at number four, that trumps all other needs, in my opinion." -- Mike Mayock, NFL Network draft expert.

Hmmm...not so fast there. Redskins General Manager Bruce Allen and coach Mike Shanahan aren't about to say what they plan to do when they're on the clock with the No. 4 pick of the NFL Draft on April 22. There's an existing roster, one that Allen and Shanahan have been evaluating since they were hired, as well as plenty of college players to look at.


Still, though, the conversation, until the Redskins tip their hand, centers on the quarterback, as Rick Maese and Jason Reid (Reise? Maeid?) discuss in a story today.

It's no secret that Shanahan likes to build his offense around a reliable quarterback, which has spurred much speculation that he is targeting a signal-caller with the team's first pick. Shanahan has received mixed reviews for many of his draft decisions in Denver. Critics have said that Shanahan doesn't heed always the advice of his scouts.
Since arriving in Washington, Shanahan hasn't made any changes to the team's scouting department, which means he'll be relying on reports generated by talent evaluators installed by the previous management team.
"I don't know who made final decisions on some of the things in Denver. There were some mistakes made there that kind of hurt that franchise a bit," Kiper said. "But overall, I have great respect for Mike's ability as a coach, number one. And certainly in Washington, his personnel skills are going to be on display right away."
The paradox facing Shanahan is whether the Redskins' first-round pick is better used on a quarterback or on an offensive lineman who can protect the quarterback. At this week's combine, team officials will get a chance to see several linemen in action but none of the draft's top quarterbacks are expected to throw.
"If you think Sam Bradford is a franchise quarterback and that right shoulder is going to stand up medically, then I believe you have got to take Sam Bradford," Mayock said. "Having said that, there's a school of thought out there also, you better upgrade your offensive line before you draft a young quarterback or he may get killed.
"But I always go back to: The franchise quarterback trumps everything. So if Bradford or Clausen, in your opinion, is the guy, I think you've got to take him at four."

The Mayor and Maese are en route to Indianapolis for the combine; they'll be reporting and tweeting (@JReid_Post and @RickMaese) from there, along with Mark Maske (@MarkMaske) and Doug Farrar of the Football Outsiders (@Doug_Farrar). I'll be tweeting (@RedskinsInsider) from here.

NFL players and HGH tests

Mark Maske reports the NFL has proposed testing players, via bloodwork, for HGH. The NFLPA traditionally has opposed blood testing, saying it would back a urine test. That has not changed under the leadership of DeMaurice Smith.


By Cindy Boren  |  February 24, 2010; 11:10 AM ET
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Comments

Bean - its vodk - er, I mean lunch break.

Cowherd is a first class joke on all levels, nothing else need be said.

Wilbon - I always liked him... I always enjoyed his Monday-after columns for the Skins.. his analysis always seemed fair and on point. I was disappointed when he blew up and stopped writing them weeekly for the Post.

However, I strongly disagree with what he said about ST and feel it was way out of line and insensitive. But I still like him overall - I think he's usually on point with his assessments... and he has some cred, the guy has been around forever and he's got MJ and the Prez on speed dial, for cryin out loud... I usually enjoy his and TKs banter too...

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 24, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

First, Shanahan should decide if Jason Campbell can be "the guy".

He was 6-2 before 1 1/2 years of broken down offensive line.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 24, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Is her dad the guy that got eaten by the bear at the end of Semi-Pro?

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 24, 2010 11:04 AM |

I don't know but I congratulate you for having made it to the end of that suck-hard flick.

Posted by: MrRed | February 24, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

"The paradox facing Shanahan is whether the Redskins' first-round pick is better used on a quarterback or on an offensive lineman who can protect the quarterback. At this week's combine, team officials will get a chance to see several linemen in action but none of the draft's top quarterbacks are expected to throw"
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I'm repeating myself but why is this a paradox? NO WAY should we draft China Doll Bradford or Cocky Clausen at #4! We need someone who can contribute immediately and who knows if either of those guys will EVER be able to contribute? If Shanallen drafts a QB at #4, it means nothing has changed at Redskins Park. More hell to come.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 24, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

How do we get from bad to good and from good to great?

I don't think we can ever be great (Super Bowl) with Jason Campbell as the QB, but I do think we can get to good relatively quickly with him.

This is a bad team with a lot of old players. Not a great combination to have.

I think you build the OL and the support, then find the QB who fits into that. In most cases (without absolutely dominant turnover creating D), I don't think you win the Super Bowl without a good to great QB. At the same time, I don't think you even make the playoffs without at least decent team around a QB.

Look at Carson Palmer. That guy is a pretty good QB and has panned out fairly well. I think we'd all certainly trade Campbell for him and he was a better prospect coming out than either of the top guys in this years draft. But how often has he been to the playoffs? The years he's been healthy they're barely a .500 football team.

Posted by: manifested | February 24, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Reposted from the previous thread

Posted by: manifested | February 24, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

http://www.hogshaven.com/2010/2/24/1324034/jimmy-clausen-pro-cons-from#storyjump

This picture says a lot about Clausen's decision making...I'm hoping they are his relatives.

Posted by: TWISI | February 24, 2010 11:23 AM


LOL...even funnier is the fact he has a #7 dogtag and has two dogs flanking him that combine for about a 7...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

ST stayed in his old neighborhood and partied with his murderer.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 11:21 AM

Wrong. ST didn't know the kid. A relative invited him to a party at his house. The kid came back to rob his house and ST and family were there.

To say that ST didn't do enough to protect his family is stupid. I guess you could ask him but he died protecting his family.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2010 11:29 AM

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

But OMG if they take a QB at #4 then they are doomed to have a terrible offensive line again, cause the only way to fix 3 spots on the line is to draft a lineman at #4.......

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 24, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | February 24, 2010 11:23 AM

You would have thought Clausen would have had a better record with all the slump busting he did.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

But OMG if they take a QB at #4 then they are doomed to have a terrible offensive line again, cause the only way to fix 3 spots on the line is to draft a lineman at #4.......

Posted by: zjfr2 |

When it comes to offensive lineman, only the best left tackles in the draft go in the top 10 picks each year. It was how we got Chris Samuels, remember?
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 24, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Let's get hypothetical for a second.

Let's say we take Okung or Cambell or another OT at #4. Then, when pick #37 rolls around, Clausen is still on the board.

Do you take him then or is it still a bad pick?

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 24, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

But OMG if they take a QB at #4 then they are doomed to have a terrible offensive line again, cause the only way to fix 3 spots on the line is to draft a lineman at #4.......

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 24, 2010 11:37 AM |

You don't think they can get some help on the line in free agency?

Posted by: League-Source | February 24, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Cannot understand why drafting a qb w/ top pick is even being considered w/ practically no o-line existing the last 2 years. It does'nt matter who you put @ qb, if he is running for his life or getting pounded every play he will suck!! This draft will be proof to whether things have truly changed in D.C. or is fantasy football still alive & well!!

Posted by: skinhead62 | February 24, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

ST stayed in his old neighborhood and partied with his murderer.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 11:21 AM

What kinda statement is this? His sister had a b-day party which one of the guys attended. It wasn't in his "old neighborhood." I guess ST sleeping in his home with his family wasn't good enough for you.

Posted by: dcwun | February 24, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

But OMG if they take a QB at #4 then they are doomed to have a terrible offensive line again, cause the only way to fix 3 spots on the line is to draft a lineman at #4.......

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 24, 2010 11:37 AM |

You don't think they can get some help on the line in free agency?

Posted by: League-Source | February 24, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

sarcasm is lost on you apparently...

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 24, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Do we really have to go through this again?

He brought a knife to a gun fight. He wasn't allowed to carry a gun. He should have lived in a secured community like the rest of SoFla atheletes.

He subjected himself and his family to an element (murderers & their cohorts) that he should have been shielded from.

It's a tragedy, but he is complicit and to state otherwise is just wrong.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Bradford is way too injury prone to invest all that guaranteed money in.

Posted by: Dellis2 | February 24, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

You don't think they can get some help on the line in free agency?

Posted by: League-Source

Franchise LT rarely see free agency. Guards maybe. There isn't a QB in this draft worthy of the 4th pick.

Posted by: dcwun | February 24, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

agree to disagree, ds....all I'm saying on that..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 24, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

HEY, if QB is our BIGGEST Problem then we are all BUMS here....come on JC took a pounding BECASUE management didn't fix the Off Line, no ONE, I MEAN NO ONE wins w/o an OFFensive Line, just ask every Super Bowl QB - people forget JC was 13-0 Co-National Champ his SR year in college and looking at the QB's in the league, other than the Brees, P Manning and Brady (who I don't like) - tell me one QB you would trade JC for now - EXACTLY - NONE! (don't say one QB in any response to this w/o looking at their OL, becasue they were able t ostand tall and fling the ball around the field at will - where JC had to keep looking left or right to avoid a MASSIVE hit). Put JC in that other QB system and JC plays at a much higher level - hands down!

So, build those Lines and watch JC do what he does best - he showed flashes of grasping things BUT too many changes with systems and coaches, etc. would make the BEST of QB's look like this - if anyone disputes this never played 1 down of football BEYOND High School - get real Redskins - get OL and let the chips fall where they may! You fix the lines 10-6 is an automatic! People are laughing - but even with the crappy lines from last year how many games were the Skins in late in the 4th Qtr. - EXACTLY, more than you can remember - so their record is simply a snapshot of everything not going ones way.

I thank the lucky stars we have moved on - football is a game with an Evv and Flow - so anyone who has played above High School knows this, jsut like I do.

JC is NOT the problem - he did the best he could with the crap the Skins put in front of him - my hat is off for him - I sure hope the WR's and all step it up and make all those catched and to pick up JC - because he took a beating most players would simply walk off (I'm sorry) would be carried off the field after taking. JC can be any QB anytime! I can't wait for him to simply show all those doubters (those doubters who know NOTHNIG about football and again, never played 1 down above High School) - simply enough said here!

PICK OL - please :)

Posted by: talbottj | February 24, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Do we really have to go through this again?

He brought a knife to a gun fight. He wasn't allowed to carry a gun. He should have lived in a secured community like the rest of SoFla atheletes.

He subjected himself and his family to an element (murderers & their cohorts) that he should have been shielded from.

It's a tragedy, but he is complicit and to state otherwise is just wrong.

Posted by: DikShuttle

Agree to disagree but I still think that's BS.

Posted by: dcwun | February 24, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Cannot understand why drafting a qb w/ top pick is even being considered w/ practically no o-line existing the last 2 years. It does'nt matter who you put @ qb, if he is running for his life or getting pounded every play he will suck!! This draft will be proof to whether things have truly changed in D.C. or is fantasy football still alive & well!!

Posted by: skinhead62 | February 24, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

My sarcasm was directly pointed at comments like this......

If you want to debate whether or not Clausen and/or Bradford are franchise caliber QBs then fine, I don't pretend to be a scout, maybe they are maybe they aren't.....I happen to think if both are healthy either of them are an upgrade on Campbell who gets way more credit IMO then he deserves simply because he took a lot of hits....being a good punching bag doesn't make you a good QB and he is all of the things that have been said so many times inaccurate, slow delivery, bad pocket presence, unclutch...etc.

But can we please stop this "doesn't matter who we put back there behind this line" and "how does he throw from his back" crap.

Shanny and Allen aren't stupid, they will upgrade the offensive line no matter what. What they have to decide is if they want JC or someone else, and that will dictate how they upgrade the line. But no matter what the line will be different next year so stop all the crap about the line means we can't draft a QB.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 24, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Word on Bradford is that - in addition to being fragile - he is "quiet" - which has been a knock on Jason Campbell.

And Clausen is a prick.

Neither should be drafted at #4.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 24, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Are you familiar with those neighborhoods - no. I am. He lived up the street from his folks in his old neighborhood. A nicer version, sure, but not a place for an all star with so much at stake.

People this is the ONLY lesson to glean from this tragedy - that if you're a star, you have to protect yourself & family properly. In arguing that message you're doing everyone a disservice.

Instead of being around Pinecrest he shoulda been up in Weston next door to Taylor & Dwayne Johnson. It's that simple.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

But OMG if they take a QB at #4 then they are doomed to have a terrible offensive line again, cause the only way to fix 3 spots on the line is to draft a lineman at #4.......

Posted by: zjfr2

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Everyone slooooowwwww down... let's watch FA pick-ups... then evaluate the OL needs... for instance, believe that the triumverate of Shanny-Shanny-Allen will target their former teams and personnel they know...
DEN OG Kuper... TB OT's Penn and Trueblood are BOTH RFA's... TB is cheap and may not tender BOTH, leaving one as a potential UFA... if the Skins were able to pick up both, that solidifies depth to a degree...

Now on to a recent article, maybe someone else in RI read this and can cite...
1st Rd QB's hit on about 65%... 35% bust
1st Rd OT's hit on about 85%... 15% bust
2nd Rd QB's hit on about 15%... 85% bust
2nd rd OT's hit on about 65%... 35% bust

IF... those numbers hold true, and the FO picks up two OLmen in FA... then it makes sense to go QB at #4... then OT at #37.

Just sayin...

Posted by: bschaef12 | February 24, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

ds, thanks, we get it, you have your opinion, and think that is the correct one...couple people have already stated they don't agree with you, but want NOT to revisit this...so give it a rest would ya....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 24, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

It's a tragedy, but he is complicit and to state otherwise is just wrong.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 11:47 AM

Placing blame on a 24 year old, that was turning his life around.

Your comments are reprehensible.

"He brought a knife to a gun fight."

You are a thoughtless d-bag.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Instead of being around Pinecrest he shoulda been up in Weston next door to Taylor & Dwayne Johnson. It's that simple.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 11:54 AM

So, your point is that it's Sean's fault that he's dead? He, effectively, was commiting suicide because of where he lived?

I guess I don't understand why you write "I don't want to rehash this" and then make such outrageously inflammatory statements.

Posted by: League-Source | February 24, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Wow...the only thing more tired than the JC debate, is rehashing the whole Sean Taylor tragedy. If we have to go back to played out subjects, at least go back to banging Hannah Storm...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

at least go back to banging Hannah Storm...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I'd be cool with that, she ain't ugly...

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 24, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

sarcasm is lost on you apparently...

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 24, 2010 11:47 AM

Yeah, Angry Old Man Jack, I guess it's my fault -- once again -- that I read what you wrote and didn't understand that you didn't mean a word of it. I apologize for being so dense that I can't figure out your meaning.

Posted by: League-Source | February 24, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Word on Bradford is that - in addition to being fragile - he is "quiet" - which has been a knock on Jason Campbell.

And Clausen is a prick.

Neither should be drafted at #4.

Posted by: Lisa_R

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Hmmmm? Prick at the QB position?
Peyton Manning? Prick...
P. Rivers... BIG Prick...

Not such a bad quality in a QB...

Posted by: bschaef12 | February 24, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

this is easy guys. This is a qb driven league. Look at the two Superbowl teams.....take away manning or brees, each team doesnt get close to even getting to the superbowl. Take away each of their best offensive linemen, they still get there no question. Wise up, if clausen or bradford have brees like potential, fing take one

Posted by: claypma | February 24, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Beaner et. al., I didn't bring it up. That was RedD's fault.

But this is pretty important. As long as people spout misinformation and bad opinion, I'll counter it.

Y'all can agree to anything you wish. And you're entitled to your own opinion. No one says that opinion is right.

How is it inflammitory to call out someone on the biggest mistake of their life? Others need to learn from this. It's not a random tragedy. It's a calculated crime that was easily avoidable.

If you want to shy away from the truth for PC reasons, do it. I won't.

And I'm a huge ST fan. So bollocks on that counter I see boiling.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Wise up, if clausen or bradford have brees like potential, fing take one

Posted by: claypma | February 24, 2010 12:03 PM

Of course!

And if they don't? Still take a QB like a few of the nimrods up here are suggesting?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

thanks for allowing us to have our own opinion on the matter, didn't know you were the local expert on it....we should count ourselves as lucky that we have you to set us straight...

all I asked was to have the subject dropped, and that I, as well as others disagreed with you...sorry that wasn't acceptable to you....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 24, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I shoulda said "no one says that opinion is necessarily right". srry.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm? Prick at the QB position?
Peyton Manning? Prick...
P. Rivers... BIG Prick...
Not such a bad quality in a QB...
Posted by: bschaef12 | February 24, 2010 12:02 PM

I would throw Tom Brady to the top of that list. And it’s kind of funny, I don’t think Joe Montana was a prick, unless you are Steve Young. Very competitive, yes, but the stories about Joe are always about how cool he was.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 24, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Are you familiar with those neighborhoods - no. I am. He lived up the street from his folks in his old neighborhood. A nicer version, sure, but not a place for an all star with so much at stake.

People this is the ONLY lesson to glean from this tragedy - that if you're a star, you have to protect yourself & family properly. In arguing that message you're doing everyone a disservice.

Instead of being around Pinecrest he shoulda been up in Weston next door to Taylor & Dwayne Johnson. It's that simple.

Posted by: DikShuttle

So if a Congressman is killed in his Capital Hill home, is it his fault that he was murdered because he lived close to a Sh!tty area and not in a gated community?

I guess the gated community prevented Antoine Walker and Dunta Robinson from being robbed at gun point in their homes too.

Posted by: dcwun | February 24, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

is it me, or is it the height of jack-azzery, when someone just wont let a matter drop because they're so SELF INDULGENT on being right in their mind....

its not enough to drop the ST issue to dik, he's gotta try and prove how much of a detective he is because he lives in the area....wtf...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 24, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Sorry it ain't taking, Beaner. Can't say I didn't try.

It shouldn'ta been brought up in the first place. Especially w/ that bs.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

If the Redskins use a pick that high (#4), for the amount of money they'd have to pay a player they'd have to select an LT or QB.

The Redskins don't need somebody who can play "right now". The Redskins need to be built from the ground up into a good team. That takes time. No quick turnarounds.

And I'll trust Shanny's opinions on QBs over what people on this board say.

I'm not a kool aid drinker. THIS TEAM HAS NO QUICK FIXES. And I want the team to be consistently good, not this barely make the playoffs(ala the Wizards) crap.

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | February 24, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

My first inclination is to go OT at #4 and get a QB later to develop - maybe Kyle Shanahan has some positive insight on Colt McCoy given his UT ties. However, if Mike Shanahan thinks Bradford or Clausen are legit franchise QB's then I don't have a big problem with picking one of them.

Posted by: skinswest | February 24, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I drive a Dodge Stratus!

BIG TIME STUFF!!!!!!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 24, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

lmao @ haze

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm? Prick at the QB position?
Peyton Manning? Prick...
P. Rivers... BIG Prick...
Not such a bad quality in a QB...
Posted by: bschaef12 | February 24, 2010 12:02 PM

I would throw Tom Brady to the top of that list. And it’s kind of funny, I don’t think Joe Montana was a prick, unless you are Steve Young. Very competitive, yes, but the stories about Joe are always about how cool he was.

Posted by: dlhaze1
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dlh1...
You're in my head... was thinking of Brady, and the exact Montana situation... one more of course was our own Joey Sunshine! Not as accomplished as the others, but was a league MVP...

Posted by: bschaef12 | February 24, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

is it me, or is it the height of jack-azzery, when someone just wont let a matter drop because they're so SELF INDULGENT on being right in their mind....

proving my point with this:

It shouldn'ta been brought up in the first place. Especially w/ that bs.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 24, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

But no matter what the line will be different next year so stop all the crap about the line means we can't draft a QB.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 24, 2010 11:53 AM |

Makes sense. Claus has good stats. But they say it was against mediocre comp. If ND had gone 11-1 then everyone would be raving about him and we wouldn't be hearing about the mediocre comp. ND could have gone 11-1 if their defense had been decent.

With Brad a lot of peeps are saying his shoulder is a big risk and nobody (except him and Dr. And) know any of the medical deets. Would be nice if we had some info like: this is the injury and this is the recovery rate for this kind of injury, etc.

There is always the wait til next yr strategy but that would mean that Shan would have to start building his O with the most important piece on hold for a yr. And next yr's crop of QBs doesn't look like there is someone worth waiting for, espc when you take into consideration that the Skins' pick next yr might not give them 1st or 2nd crack at selecting a QB.

Posted by: MrRed | February 24, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Beaner et. al., I didn't bring it up. That was RedD's fault.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 12:05 PM

Red was referring to Wilbon’s and Cowherd’s comments that were less inflammatory than yours.

You said ST was complicit, didn't do enough to protect his family, partied with his murder, and brought a knife to a gun fight.

"If you want to shy away from the truth for PC reasons, do it. I won't"

How about this for being truthful and not PC...You're a f’ing retard and your comments are cowardly, I just hope that you’re not subject to a home invasion and choose to hide in the bathroom instead of protecting your family.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Oh - and way to resort to name calling, DHaze. Real mature.

You suggested he was protecting his family. I was showing how you were incorrect. If you can't handle bloggish vernacular, don't blame me.

I can't talk about the other two, 'cause I don't know the circumstances.

In both ST & Harrison's they put themselves in the wrong place. It doesn't make it their fault, but they are culpable.

..ok, in Harrison's case - that prolly IS his fault...no ifs/&s/Dave Butz.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

With Brad a lot of peeps are saying his shoulder is a big risk and nobody (except him and Dr. And) know any of the medical deets. Would be nice if we had some info like: this is the injury and this is the recovery rate for this kind of injury, etc.

There is always the wait til next yr strategy but that would mean that Shan would have to start building his O with the most important piece on hold for a yr. And next yr's crop of QBs doesn't look like there is someone worth waiting for, espc when you take into consideration that the Skins' pick next yr might not give them 1st or 2nd crack at selecting a QB.

Posted by: MrRed
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MrRed... the Skins FO WILL have the skinny on Bradfords arm... Dr. Andrews is the Redskins Team Surgeon!

Posted by: bschaef12 | February 24, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Why, are you planning something, Diesel?

A little confused about the cowardly comment. Plz 'splain.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

I was wrong yesterday in regards to Sproles. The Chargers AJ Smith didn't sound like he wanted him back when I heard him on the radio yesterday.

Posted by: dcwun | February 24, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Beaner - why you gotta keep going? NOW who won't let it drop?

Notice - I did not besmirch anyone before y'all resorted to name calling.

If you want to debate, that's your call. I saw something incorrect. Stated a correction and requested that we not talk about it further.

Apparently many of you saw fit to respond. To which I argued my point further, at your own invitation. Then when I didn't aqcuiesce to your point of view, you began name calling.

Easiest way to avoid an argument is not to respond.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Slingin' Sammy Bradford... get used to it.

As for Campbell, he's going to look great in a Las Vegas Locomotives uniform.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 24, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Trade Carlos Rogers for a pick (3rd rounder) and and then sign Dunta Robinson from the Texans.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4940723

Sign Sharper to play FS, move Landry back to SS where he belongs.

I think that would significantly improve our secondary. While gaining another pick to address the offensive line or running back.

Posted by: dfbovey | February 24, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Why, are you planning something, Diesel?

A little confused about the cowardly comment. Plz 'splain.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 12:25 PM

I'm done. I should have ignored your comments, I will from now on.

RIP Sean Taylor

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm? Prick at the QB position?
Peyton Manning? Prick...
P. Rivers... BIG Prick...
Not such a bad quality in a QB...
Posted by: bschaef12 |

IMO neither Bradford or Clausen are EONS beneath Manning or Rivers.

Also don't understand why some of you are so trusting in Shanahan's draft decisions -which have been far from stellar in the past.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 24, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I say make O line a top priority in BOTH free agency AND the draft. How's that for a friggin' plan?

O line... O line... if all we accomplish this season is assembling a high-quality, young, deep, O line with a stud LT then 2010 will have been a success.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 24, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

RIP Sean Taylor

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 24, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Hey - we agree on something! woo hoo!

Yes, feel free to ITA me at your leisure.

Nate - what is the O Line of which you speak?

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Holy smokes, Cindy posting a thread and Lisa mixing it up in the comments... seems like old times up here!

Completely agree with you on no QB at #4, Lisa, for whatever it's worth.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 24, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Oh - and way to resort to name calling, DHaze. Real mature.
You suggested he was protecting his family. I was showing how you were incorrect. If you can't handle bloggish vernacular, don't blame me.
I can't talk about the other two, 'cause I don't know the circumstances.
In both ST & Harrison's they put themselves in the wrong place. It doesn't make it their fault, but they are culpable.
..ok, in Harrison's case - that prolly IS his fault...no ifs/&s/Dave Butz.
Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 12:23 PM |

Huh? I believe that you are going at it with so many people that you have attributed someone else’s comments to my good name. Unless you are offended that I called Tom Brady a prick.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 24, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

The San Diego Chargers apparently would like to keep kick returner and backup running back Darren Sproles(notes) for many years and are trying to get him to sign a multiyear deal but if no agreement can be made, he'll be sent out into free agency, according to the San Diego Union-Tribune.

The team is supposedly committed to not signing Sproles for one year. Since he was the team's franchise player last year, they've got to give him a 10 percent raise if they keep him this season, which would bring the 26-year-old a salary of about $7.3 million for the coming season.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 24, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Trade Carlos Rogers for a pick (3rd rounder) and and then sign Dunta Robinson from the Texans.

Posted by: dfbovey | February 24, 2010 12:33 PM |

Would be surprised if the Skins could get a 3rd for Rog.

1. Didn't have a good yr. Was benched.
2. Has bad attitude. Sulked and said he didn't care.
3. 3rd rounders are valuable in this talent-rich draft.

Posted by: MrRed | February 24, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Trade Carlos Rogers for a pick (3rd rounder) and and then sign Dunta Robinson from the Texans.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4940723

Sign Sharper to play FS, move Landry back to SS where he belongs.

I think that would significantly improve our secondary. While gaining another pick to address the offensive line or running back.

Posted by: dfbovey

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Gotta get over the "win now" mentality. Sharper's a wasted investment for a rebuilding team... Dunta Robinson would seem like a nice fit...

Getting a third for Carlos "Hands of Stone" Rogers... I'm thinking we need to check what's in your coffee!!! The Skins have no leverage in trying to trade guys like Rogers or Campbell... other teams know we want to unload them and are not going to offer FMV... and FMV for Rogers "HOS" ain't no stinking third rounder...

Posted by: bschaef12 | February 24, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Tom Brady is a GOD, Haze!

roflcopter.

srry - you're right. I was a lil punchdrunk. m'bad - plz forgive. It was Diesel.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 24, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

* beep beep *

new post...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 24, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Would be surprised if the Skins could get a 3rd for Rog.

1. Didn't have a good yr. Was benched.
2. Has bad attitude. Sulked and said he didn't care.
3. 3rd rounders are valuable in this talent-rich draft.

Posted by: MrRed | February 24, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

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Doesn't really matter to me what they get for him. I think a 3rd or even 4th rounder would be a fair price for a corner with starting experience. It's a deep draft but it's still a crap-shoot. You at least know what you're getting with Rogers, flaws and all.

The main thing to me, is that there are going to be a few good options in free agency in the secondary this year. Fill those kinds of needs in FA and use as many draft picks as possible to get young on the offensive line.

Posted by: dfbovey | February 24, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I can see both sides of this draft QB/Olineman argument, except that people are not considering that first round O-lineman can be busts just as much as QB's.

We're going to need a QB at some point. Yes, there have been some mid round gems and busts, just like first round gems and busts.

Personally, I'd take a QB. He doesn't have to play right away.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 24, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

The Houston Texans have informed cornerback Dunta Robinson(notes) they will not be using the franchise tag on him for a second consecutive year, according to Houston Chronicle beat writer and SN correspondent John McClain.

McClain reported Monday that Robinson had not heard a word out of the Houston camp, which made the inevitable all that more predictable.

Since negotiations on a new contract have ceased, Robinson will become an unrestricted free agent on March 5 and can sign with any team.

Robinson, a first-round draft choice in 2004 who played six seasons with the Texans, earned $9.957 million last year when he was designated as the franchise player, according to the newspaper.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 24, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I am simply AMAZED at the number of people on this blog who "know everything" and believe the Redskins are going to draft the next Chris Samuels with the #4 pick this year, and be able to contribute immediately, none the less. For every Samuels, Jake Long, and Debrickashaw Ferguson (and it took him 3 years to amount to anything) there's a Tony Mandarich, Robert Gallery, or Mike Williams (Vinnie's reclamation project). Drafting an OT has just as much bust potential as any other position. Its not a cure-all. The draft is a crap shoot. Wake up people, and leave it up to the professionals. If you think this new management is more inept than the previous, than go follow Vinnie, where ever he winds up.

Posted by: wagman1 | February 24, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"Now on to a recent article, maybe someone else in RI read this and can cite...
1st Rd QB's hit on about 65%... 35% bust
1st Rd OT's hit on about 85%... 15% bust
2nd Rd QB's hit on about 15%... 85% bust
2nd rd OT's hit on about 65%... 35% bust"


What I'm more interested in is not necessarily the success rate of 1st round QBs, but the success rate of top 5-10 QB draft picks.

To the blind eye, it seems that mid-late first round draft pick QBs have as much success in this league as top 10 picks, and at a fraction of the risk. For every Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, and Matt Ryan chosen at the top of the draft, you have Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers, and Joe Flacco chosen later on the first round. And the major difference is that when a mid-late first rounder misses, you aren't hamstrung by a $70 million contract.

That's why, aside from the proportional difference in needs between QB and OL, I'd prefer to stick with the safer option at the top of the draft. Even if you don't have a top 5 pick next season, you can select a QB in another year when the risk isn't so high.

Posted by: psps23 | February 24, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I am simply AMAZED at the number of people on this blog who "know everything" and believe the Redskins are going to draft the next Chris Samuels with the #4 pick this year, and be able to contribute immediately, none the less. For every Samuels, Jake Long, and Debrickashaw Ferguson (and it took him 3 years to amount to anything) there's a Tony Mandarich, Robert Gallery, or Mike Williams (Vinnie's reclamation project). Drafting an OT has just as much bust potential as any other position. Its not a cure-all. The draft is a crap shoot. Wake up people, and leave it up to the professionals. If you think this new management is more inept than the previous, than go follow Vinnie, where ever he winds up.

Posted by: wagman1 | February 24, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

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I do agree with you that this regime is probably more inclined to know what they are doing.

But this is a blog, and people are going to give their opinions on what they think the team should do.

Posted by: dfbovey | February 24, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

To the blind eye, it seems that mid-late first round draft pick QBs have as much success in this league as top 10 picks, and at a fraction of the risk. For every Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, and Matt Ryan chosen at the top of the draft, you have Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers, and Joe Flacco chosen later on the first round. And the major difference is that when a mid-late first rounder misses, you aren't hamstrung by a $70 million contract.

Posted by: psps23 | February 24, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Roethlisberger was the 11th overall pick. So I wouldn't really put him in the same category as Flacco or Aaron Rodgers. He has more in common with the Manning and Rivers.

And for every Aaron Rodgers in the late 1st, there's a Patrick Ramsey or a Jason Campbell.

All I will say is that it's extremely important to get that top ten pick right no matter what position you're drafting due to the cap ramifications of being wrong.

Posted by: dfbovey | February 24, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Uncapped YEar next YEar, that will cure alot of ills on the Skins right now, Dannyboy has shown a willingness to spend, so if B. Allen and Shanny and our Scouting dept. can do their jobs (hopefully well), we can fill holes w/ FA's on the OL and draft other needs.....to those who say Bradford or Claussen, they haven't thrown 1 NFL pass and only Bradford took his team anywhere....Brees to Purdue to the Rose Bowl his Sr year, NOW that is saying something!
Also, to those who say why talk about a QB, like JC, in taking so mnay hits....dude, the WR's need to get open, meaning run the route, get open, NO MATTER who is covering you (didn't happen - coachign or talent - I don't know Art Monk ran his routes, got open, fought for the ball in a crowd), the OL needs to block, at least for 3-4 seconds - not jsut get blown away at the line at the snap, like they did all year last year - NO time for ANY QB...and YES, JC kept gettign off the ground, bc he is a player and wants to play, no matter how terrible his team is, he is not a quitter, people DON'T understand, what JC went thorugh tells a coach more about a player than when things are all rosey - just wait, watch Shnny work some magic, Shanny put a team around Elway so he coudl win a SB - that is how Shanny did it....I don't know JC and Elway are close to the same type QB, don't run much, throws deep well...JC needs more work on coverage, reads and NOT having to keep looking to his left or right and look downfield and lead a receiver or two with his throws and know the receiver is going to continue his rooute to get the ball, not stop and look at the gorund!
Also, on the top picks, trade down, get multiple picks later, get more players in here to evaluate to find those players the Redskins use to find years ago, that made the difference in those SB teams - not every players is a star, and a team of stars don't get it done, just look at NE Patriots - that Offense the past few years and nothign to show for it.

Posted by: talbottj | February 24, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | February 24, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

That's exactly what I was going to post except with more typos. I swear I'm getting dislexic.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 24, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I love just reading everyone's oppionion whether to draft a quarterback or O-Lineman. I think we should keep up the draft a quarterback talk to lure perhaps a team Seattle or San Fransciso)with two first round picks or a 1st and 3rd and move down to pick up more lineman. Does anyone remember Joe (Hall of Fame Coach) Gibbs who won 3 Super Bowls with 3 different average quarterbacks that will never see Hall of fame. The common thread was Joe believed in a fierce offensive line. His offensive (Lachey, Grimm, May, Bostic, Jacoby) line-man were warriors. They weren't particularly all #1's but they worked well together as a cohesive unit and were blue-collar. Anyone remember the HOGS? A 1 yr. wonder ran wild in the super bowl(anyone remember Timmy Smith?), Doug Williams played behind them with a beat up knee, Earnest Byner resurrected his career behind them, and the Riggo counter trey was erected! You build champions down in the ditches on both sides of the ball! Look at how far the Jets got with a sound O-Line and D-Line. 1st rd OT(lEft) 2nd rd OT(right), 4 rd Guard, then maybe a Free Safety and a running back. Address the need for Defense with the Free Agency such as either Free safety, cornerbacks who actually know how to tackle and keep their man in front of them. Maybe see what linebacker we have that can help London Fletcher out(or back him up..age is creeping in), and maybe another run stopper(We do play in the gruesome NFC East..where you have to be able to run and stop the run) and pass rusher(see if we can lure Peppers here). Give Jason a chance behind a good line(hopefully the young receivers finally reach their potential in yr. 3 or cut them). Let the D go..(ala Greg Williams-N.O. Saints who we foolishly let go..good job Danny boy and Vinny-good riddens). If we draft a QB..look for a steal maybe in 2nd(still He's going to get killed with this offensive line)

Posted by: anointedebony | February 24, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

If we draft a QB..look for a steal maybe in 2nd(still He's going to get killed with this offensive line)

Posted by: anointedebony | February 24, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I love the long posts with all these points that end "any QB is going to get killed with this line".......you have no idea what "this line" is going to look like come training camp. Or do you really think a quality GM and a hall of fame coach with a reputation for stellar olines and great running games don't realize they need to upgrade the line regardless of whether they decide to draft a QB at 4 or not?

I don't care whether they decide to draft a QB at 4 or not, because I know there is no way that Stephon Heyer is starting here next season, or that D'Anthony Batiste or anybody of his ilk will be on this roster with these guys in charge.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 24, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Uncapped YEar next YEar, that will cure alot of ills on the Skins right now, Dannyboy has shown a willingness to spend, so if B. Allen and Shanny and our Scouting dept. can do their jobs (hopefully well), we can fill holes w/ FA's on the OL and draft other needs.....

Posted by: talbottj

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talbottj -

Doesn't work that way in an uncapped year... those players with 4 years of service (some 200+) that would have been UFA are now classified as RFA.... which means their current teams only have to tender them a contract in order to gain draft picks in return should another team, say the Skins, sign their player. And the Skins have no draft picks to sacrifice...

So the UFA pool is very shallow this year... have to rely on teams cutting high priced vets in attempts to dump salary in an uncapped year.

Posted by: bschaef12 | February 24, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Get your QB Shanny. Gotta have a good one to really compete in today's NFL. Kurt Warner, Aaron Rogers, Ben Rothlisberger - they all had crap o-lines (Redskin cast-off Jeremy Bridges protected Warner's blind side) but they each made plays and gave their team a chance to win. Campbell neither makes plays nor gives his team a chance to win. If we keep Campbell, then we should select a defensive playmaker at #4 - cause our only shot to win will be to play Bears/Ravens style where scoring from special teams plays and defensive take-aways.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 24, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

"Roethlisberger was the 11th overall pick. So I wouldn't really put him in the same category as Flacco or Aaron Rodgers. He has more in common with the Manning and Rivers."

The key isn't the proximity of the selection, it's the contract given out at the slot.

Ben Roethlisberger signed a 6 year, $22 million contract as a rookie. Eli Manning signed a 6 year, $54 million contract as a rookie. Aaron Rodgers signed a 6 year, $24.5 million contract as a rookie. Roethlisberger has more in common, risk-wise, with Rodgers than he does Manning. And that's not counting the guaranteed money, which will approach $35-40 for a top 5 QB this year.

Posted by: psps23 | February 24, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

OKUNG OKUNG OKUNG OKUNG OKUNG OKUNG OKUNG!!!!!!!!!

or draft down.

Posted by: dovelevine | February 24, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

how do you draft down?

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 24, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

This team needs offensive- young- linemen - DUH! DUH! DUH! Blatantly obvious! I will become a Ravens fan if they draft a QB at 4.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | February 24, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

how do you draft down?


Posted by: zjfr2 | February 24, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Must resist urge to post Down's Syndrome joke...Ahhhhh.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 24, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

This team needs offensive- young- linemen - DUH! DUH! DUH! Blatantly obvious! I will become a Ravens fan if they draft a QB at 4.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | February 24, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

don't let the door hit ya on the way out

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 24, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Look at Carson Palmer. That guy is a pretty good QB and has panned out fairly well. I think we'd all certainly trade Campbell for him and he was a better prospect coming out than either of the top guys in this years draft. But how often has he been to the playoffs? The years he's been healthy they're barely a .500 football team.

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With a broken down o-line and no running game, Campbell had a higher QB rating and threw for more yards than Palmer. He's not better than Campbell.

Posted by: postwell1 | February 24, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Hey Dik

You're a FING AZZHOLE

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 24, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Mark Rypien and Trent Dilfer won Super Bowls.

The Redskins can win with Campbell but he will never be a 'franchise' passer in the way that Marino or Montana were.

But that's okay because the watered down NFL of the past 10-15 years since free agency has resulted in solid but unspectactular players like Jake Delhomme, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Kerry Collins, Matt Hasselbeck, Rex Grossman lead their teams into the Super Bowl.

Posted by: leopard09 | February 24, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

bschaef12
Good point, but Dannyboy has shown a liking for Restricted FA's as well, plus you have the kevin Mawae, who was Center from Tenn who is a FA as well I believe, so anytign is possible....I just hope we get money straight, stop paying ofr over priced players and get talent who performs and makes a difference.

Posted by: talbottj | February 24, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

My humble 2 cents:

I feel like Bradford is legit, and a stud QB is hard to find... you almost always have to draft one.
Usually, you have to spend an early 1st round draft pick to get a good one. Look around the league, almost every team has a QB that was a relatively high first round pick... there's only about 10 teams with a non 1st round QB.

Maybe I'm a crazy optimist, but I do not see us having another high draft pick like this again anytime soon (fingers crossed).

YES, the o-line is the biggest problem, but a chance to get a star QB is maybe a once in a decade deal.

I say pick Bradford, hope a Tackle is still available in the 2nd round, get a Guard in free agency, and keep building the line the following off season.

Let Bradford sit a year until the O-Line is better. You can always get a good tackle at pretty much any spot in the 1st round... rarely can you get a great QB.

Posted by: jgarrisn | February 24, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Take the best 2 offensive linemen available with the first two picks.

Posted by: JohnnyU2Berry | February 24, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

the o-line is very weak. the best offensives lineman there is who they should take

Posted by: lostdogrwd1011 | February 24, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

JC should have hired a personal injury lawyer against his O-line for this past year's performance

Posted by: withoutanet | February 24, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

JC should have hired a personal injury lawyer against his O-line for this past year's performance

Posted by: withoutanet | February 24, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Bradford sat out the biggest game of the year because he was hurt (against Texas), not injured, hurt. He is a poosie, and if the Skins draft him, I will seriously consider stop watching the games.

Posted by: withoutanet | February 24, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Take a QB. Only a blind person or an insane person would want to keep JC. JC would suck behind the best o-line in the NFL, so why bother with him.

Posted by: theBozyn1 | February 24, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

You could put Peyton Manning behind our offensive line, and he would look very average. Look at the very decent numbers that our quarterback put up last year from his back side. Get that top offensive lineman, and prove to us that the changes that were made at the top are not another pipe dream. PLEASE!!!!! We love our team. Bring back the tradition.

Posted by: coastallp74 | February 24, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

You could put Peyton Manning behind our offensive line, and he would look very average. Look at the very decent numbers that our quarterback put up last year from his back side. Get that top offensive lineman, and prove to us that the changes that were made at the top are not another pipe dream. PLEASE!!!!! We love our team. Bring back the tradition.

Posted by: coastallp74 | February 24, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Peyton would be a chump behind our line. JC put up good numbers from the seat of his pants. Please fix the offensive line. New coach, new GM, please say it's not a pipe dream.

Posted by: coastallp74 | February 24, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Hey Wagman. It is simply amazing how you seem to know everything. Where did you get all the knowledge coach?

Posted by: coastallp74 | February 24, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Zjfr2
Hey man. Are you kidding? You have no idea what our oline is going to look like this at training camp? Did you watch the any of the games last year? How in the hel# do you think were going to plug into the line this summer that will make our line so much different? Red light means stop. Green means go. What the f*ck do we need a quarterback at the four spot to sit behind our new training camp line? Get a couple of linemen is the only possible thing that anyone of any football savy would do, and the new brass picks a QB with that fourth pick after forty freaking years I will stop watching the Redskins and I never thought I would say that going to my grave. What could possibly make more sense even to a wanna be sports know it all like me?

Posted by: coastallp74 | February 24, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

You can improve the O-line through a draft. A Franchise QB is harder to find

Posted by: Mike4169 | February 24, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

"Shanahan doesn't heed always the advice of his scouts"

...great English, Yoda.

Posted by: fargincorksucker | February 24, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Wow... look at that poll! I'd bet that no other fans in the league right now understand the importance of a good O-line to the play of the QB like we do.

Posted by: Redskinrex | February 24, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

jeremy bridges needed ALOT OF HELP pass blocking at LT with the cards I watched him in 3 games and jones on washington is better than he is(and at this point of his career he is just avg.) bridges in not even a LT he is a guard or RT. washington better draft a real LT and maybe in the 4th round draft a RT, draft down pick up maybe 2 extra picks. If shanahan want's a qb..fine just draft one in the 3rd or 4th round this team needs alot of young potential players. stop the bull bradford is NOT a great qb and will NEVER be one in the nfl he is injury prone.

Posted by: wathu19 | February 24, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

we will NOT take qb at #4. We have COLT.

Posted by: KurtShanaman | February 24, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

JC is great. All he needs is 5 pro-bowlers blocking for him. And it wouldn't hurt if the receivers ran perfect routes.
Those stupid defensive players can help him by not disguising their coverages and playing prevent throughout the entire game. I can't wait until we rebuild the HOGs cause all the recent superbowl champs won because of their o-lines.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 24, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

I read the posts here and am amazed by the comments on Jason Campbell. First of all, JC was drafted by Joe Gibbs to be a system that utilizes a drop back passer, not a west coast type QB. He doesn't suck as a QB, he just doesn't fit the system that he is in. Throw in the fact that the so called "drafted talent" kelly, davis, and the other guy have been "busts" their first two years. No offensive linemen, a running back who stays hurt and sorry, Randle El and Moss didn't/don't scare anyone. In fact, most people rotate the coverage to Moss and single cover El. Cooley is alright at best but not a Witten (I hate the cowboys). So let's see, no OL, No WRs, and a injury prone RB and you wan't your QB to be successful.

Now disput this, Cassel, KC's QB took over after Brady got hurt and went 10-6 or 11-5, something like that with NE. Did he do that with KC. Why not, if it is all about the QB, then he should of had the same stats in KC as he did in NE. I'll tell you folks why he didn't, it was because they had no talent around him. Period.

If you wan't to draft a QB, fine, but people stop talking about JC like he is not a good QB, because he is. The right system, talent around him, he will be super.

For the record, Clausen and Bradford in my opinion is not the answer. The Big 10 lacks defensive talent and Clausen only showed up against mediocre teams. Go take a look. Also, the first year that Bradford didn't have a good OL, he took a hit and was out for the year. Now, you put him with this OL, every game he will be one hit away from IR.

Posted by: sputnee | February 25, 2010 3:45 AM | Report abuse

DO NOT TAKE A QB FROM ND! They haven't produced a decent QB since Joe Montana. And when it comes to football I.Q., I'd rate Rick Mier higher than Clausen, and Mier was horrible.

Posted by: clark202 | February 25, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

you people are nuts, campbell is horrible, he needs to go away. clausen is mark sanchez, but better.

Posted by: cavalieri10 | February 25, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

I read the posts here and am amazed by the comments on Jason Campbell. First of all, JC was drafted by Joe Gibbs to be a system that utilizes a drop back passer, not a west coast type QB. He doesn't suck as a QB, he just doesn't fit the system that he is in.
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First off Campbell sucked under Gibbs!!! He got a year on the bench (which many rookie QB's don't get) Then in his second year after watching Brunell for 9 games he got to play and was 2-5. The following year (his second with Saunders as OC) he was 5-7 losing his last 4 games in a row. And this was the system you say he should have been good in. And before you blame the rest of the team.. it was with that SAME team that Collins went 4-0 and had a 106 QB rating!!! Second you say campbell is "not a west coast type QB." Ummm well what do you think Shanahan runs?? A west coast system!!!! If he's NOT a WC QB.. why shouldn't he go???

Posted by: sovine08 | February 25, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Regardless of what you think (good or bad) It's TIME that the FIVE YEAR Campbell Experiment ENDS!!!!! Wish him good luck, thanks for being A Class Act......

Posted by: CaptainJenkins04 | February 25, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

"It's no secret that Shanahan likes to build his offense around a reliable quarterback,"

REALLY???? Let's look at some of the QBs that Shanahan drafted or signed while he was in Denver (Elway doesn't count because he was there first) and STARTED during his tenure there:
Steve Beurlein
Bubby Brister
Gus Frerotte (Redskins fans should remember him)
Brian Griese
Jake Plummer
Patrick Ramsey (Redskins fans should remember him)
Chris Miller
Jay Cutler

Need I say more... LOL!

Posted by: BroncoDano | February 25, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Trade the number 4 pick and get a couple more earlier rounders THEN PICK ALL O-LINEMEN!

The draft is a crap shoot anyway (especially with the Skins)...so one little precious maybe star QB or 5 Young O-linemen competing and growing to play.

What do we need more and what is the better chance of success?

Open market QB's will be out there this year.

GO FOR ALL O-linemen in the draft. Use every pick you got. (I know there's no cap but this would be better for the team as well than some over hyped and priced 4th pick QB.

Posted by: MikeOFW | February 26, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

have these people not learned anything from the Leinhart / Young debacle?? and both of those players were better athletes than the choices at QB in this draft.
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DRAFT SOME O-LINEMAN..

Posted by: dwdva1 | February 26, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

btw Jason- Shanahan likes to build a team around s stud running back.

Posted by: dwdva1 | February 26, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

we are never gonna win til we update our uniforms and the players can feel better about not wearing the ugliest,outdated threads in the league

Posted by: ashn420 | February 26, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

O-LINE!
Brennan or Collins or even Campbell at QB, with BLOCKING!

Posted by: kls1 | February 27, 2010 12:12 AM | Report abuse

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