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Redskins focus on present players, then draft and free agency

The Redskins finished last in the NFC East the past two seasons, so it would seem that a major roster shakeup is in order.

But with an uncapped season appearing inevitable, it would be difficult for the Redskins' new senior leaders - General Manager Bruce Allen and Coach Mike Shanahan - to significantly remake the roster this offseason. Many players who would have been unrestricted free agents in a regular capped year, including quarterback Jason Campbell, are restricted under the terms of the uncapped agreement.

Washington will have the fourth overall pick in the three-day April draft. In addition to the Redskins' No. 1 pick, they also currently have selections in the second, fourth, fifth and seventh rounds. In order to select defensive lineman Jeremy Jarmon in the supplemental draft, the Redskins surrendered their third-round pick. Their sixth-round pick went to the Miami Dolphins in the Jason Taylor trade.

Although the Redskins could attempt to trade down and stockpile more picks, it seems unlikely Allen and Shanahan could do enough maneuvering in the draft and free agency to significantly improve the team's talent level in their first offseason in Ashburn. They must try to get more out of the core group of a team that last season failed to win a game against a division rival, a dubious feat Washington accomplished for only the second time since the AFL-NFL merger in 1970.

The Redskins have been busy preparing for the combine that starts Wednesday in Indianapolis. But they're also focused on trying to help the team's current players make big strides before next season.

"We want to evaluate our players first," Allen said in a recent phone interview. "Our coaches are doing a great job of going back and watching tape of our players. And not just watching the tape from the 2009 season but every snap a player has played with the Washington Redskins.

"And that evaluation process is ongoing. We want to get that completed before March 1. And we've taken a lot of steps to make sure our coaches have the ability to continue to evaluate the current Redskins in free time at the combine."

On March 15, the Redskins will begin their offseason conditioning program at Redskins Park. Allen and Shanahan expect positive results.

"We've blended a lot of new ideas and our focus is really on March 15," Allen said. "Let's get our players and put them in the best possible position to be successful."

By Jason Reid  |  February 22, 2010; 11:00 AM ET
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Comments

Look, the JC argument is simple.

He's not as good as some.
He's not as bad as some.
Our team is worse than most.
JC is not the weakest link.
Proportionally, JC is not a player that can be replaced with an improvement before September, in relation to other positions of greater need.
Herego, we keep him unless someone is willing to offer a 1st and 3rd. (unlikely).

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 22, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Michael Vick is the perfect example of why winning percentage is attributed to QB.

any1 looking at the stats would assume the Falcons prolly lost a lot of games b/c Vick's QB stats sucked.

But when the Falcons needed a play, Michael Vick made a play.

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

No one here will argue the Falcons had a stellar squad, yet they won games with Vick at QB and lost games when he wasn't.

The Cowboys went 9-7 in 2008 and 1-3 during the stretch Romo did not play with an injured pinky! Their offense was putrid in that span and Brad Johnson simply could not duplicate Romo's success despite playing with the exact same players Romo played with.

If Romo had not gotten injured, the Cowboys woulda made the playoffs!

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

No one here will argue the Falcons had a stellar squad, yet they won games with Vick at QB and lost games when he wasn't.

The Cowboys went 9-7 in 2008 and 1-3 during the stretch Romo did not play with an injured pinky! Their offense was putrid in that span and Brad Johnson simply could not duplicate Romo's success despite playing with the exact same players Romo played with.

If Romo had not gotten injured, the Cowboys woulda made the playoffs!

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

We've been told for a year that Jason Campbell is a restricted free agent, no matter what, and now, this morning, RI decides he's unrestricted if there were a cap in place. As best I can tell from googling around, Campbell is a restricted free agent no matter what. The rest of this article seems completely erroneous as well. Essentially, it's like wringing one's hands and saying, 'there's nothing we can do, there's nothing we can do!' The lack of a CBA and salary cap makes it easier to make moves, not harder. And if this offseason isn't a time to rebuild (you say we have to make do with what we have????), then when would be? It's always difficult to find good players, whether in the draft or free agency, but that's the whole point of having a GM and coach who know what they're doing with personnel... they're supposed to find the right guys. I don't get this article at all.

Posted by: OintheSierras | February 22, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

"it seems unlikely Allen and Shanahan could do enough maneuvering in the draft and free agency to significantly improve the team's talent level in their first offseason in Ashburn"

um.....what?? Right because a new LT, and a new RT, would make ZERO difference....wtf...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 22, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

We've been told for a year that Jason Campbell is a restricted free agent, no matter what, and now, this morning, RI decides he's unrestricted if there were a cap in place. As best I can tell from googling around, Campbell is a restricted free agent no matter what. The rest of this article seems completely erroneous as well. Essentially, it's like wringing one's hands and saying, 'there's nothing we can do, there's nothing we can do!' The lack of a CBA and salary cap makes it easier to make moves, not harder. And if this offseason isn't a time to rebuild (you say we have to make do with what we have????), then when would be? It's always difficult to find good players, whether in the draft or free agency, but that's the whole point of having a GM and coach who know what they're doing with personnel... they're supposed to find the right guys. I don't get this article at all.

Posted by: OintheSierras | February 22, 2010 11:32 AM |

You would be wrong on JC he is only a RFA because there is no cap, if this was a normal season with the cap he would be UFA.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 22, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I would have thought it would have taken less time for this staff to get its act together. I mean, if they think Jarmon is going to be a linebacker, then shouldn't they have already told him to shed some pounds? You'd want to get a jump on stuff like that right away, I would think. I'm not being critical, since I don't know what restrictions they are working under with the union contract still intact, but a week ago when RI interviewed Jarmon it sounded like the staff had not given him a clue as to what he would be doing.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 22, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

sign Marcus Mcneil(SD), or JBrown(NO) start either guy at LT
Draft Okung, start him at RT(1st round)
Draft VDucasse, start him at RG(2nd round)

Yeah, that wouldn't improve the team at ALL...weak jreid...weak..this ain't the WNBA, get that crap outta here....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 22, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

"it seems unlikely Allen and Shanahan could do enough maneuvering in the draft and free agency to significantly improve the team's talent level in their first offseason in Ashburn"

um.....what?? Right because a new LT, and a new RT, would make ZERO difference....wtf...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 22, 2010 11:32 AM
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I guess the mayor sees more holes in the roster than we do. He never wants to miss a chance to snatch that gray cloud away from the silver lining. You know, if this guy is such a football guru, then why doesn't he post his own mock draft?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 22, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Michael Vick is the perfect example of why winning percentage is attributed to QB.

any1 looking at the stats would assume the Falcons prolly lost a lot of games b/c Vick's QB stats sucked.

But when the Falcons needed a play, Michael Vick made a play.

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 11:09 AM


Right, because their ability to run the ball (without him doing the running) and play good defense was all on him too. Geez, I guess he also worked with the coaches to devise the gameplan and also called plays on both offense and defense.

Even if I grant you Vick's playmaking ability, that's not a fair comparison for QBs that that DON'T run the 40 in 4.2 secs. I remember him getting his taint handed to him every time he played the Bucs because they had the speed to contain him in the pocket and make him sit there, read the defense and make a throw. Which, if you've noticed, he sucks at. The results were often disasterous for Atlanta.

I don't care how dynamic a player is, assigning a TEAM record to a single player is completely ludicrous.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 22, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 22, 2010 11:37 AM

Agreed BG. With the limited moves the Skin's will likely have; along with improved playcalling on both sides of the ball, making a clear upgrade at key positions will help the team be more competitive.

Posted by: TWISI | February 22, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

"And not just watching the tape from the 2009 season but every snap a player has played with the Washington Redskins"


Has my vote for "Most Painful Job" ever!

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | February 22, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

There should be a run of tackles in the first round this year.

No. of tackles going in the first round Over/Under set at 6.

We better not let em slip. With such a talent rich draft, would it be possible a team sees Clausen--should he slip to the 2nd--as their franchise QB and wants to make a trade. If trading out of the #4 pick is too tough why not our second when 1st round talent will spill into that round?

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I guess the mayor sees more holes in the roster than we do. He never wants to miss a chance to snatch that gray cloud away from the silver lining. You know, if this guy is such a football guru, then why doesn't he post his own mock draft?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 22, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I don't think he sees more holes than we do. There are a ton of holes that are still hiding because the other holes are too freaking big. We are only stopping at 5-6 holes because that's probably all we can realistically fill this offseason. We can only count on 2 starters from the draft and possibly only 3 free agents. We have holes in many places in the starting roster and that's not even looking at depth or special teams. We have a serious lack of talent on this team and it won't be fixed for years.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 22, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Greg, just playing a little devil's advocate, I think what he's getting at is you're not going address ALL the holes on this team in one offseason. Everything you listed was O-line, and while I think that could be enough to improve the team in the W/L column, the D may still see a setback with a lack of depth (at best) at DB and if they go to a 3-4 they'll see a lot more holes in the front 7. Plus, I suspect some of the guys we're counting on in '10 are gonna be gone for attitude reasons or some other stuff we're not aware of. Kinda like the surprise release of Larry Centers back when Marty came in.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 22, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Cut dead-weight contracts, sign FA's, let RFA's go for picks, trade down for picks. GO 'SKINS.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 21, 2010 11:17 PM |

1. cut dead-weight contracts - check
2. sign FA's - none worth signing
3. let RFA's go for picks - nobody wants to surrender picks in this talent-rich draft
4. trade down for picks - check
5. suck hard in 2010, trade 2011 picks for 2012 picks
6. draft Bark in 2012

Go Skins.

Posted by: SonOfStan | February 21, 2010 11:42 PM |

Interesting perspective. Surprised Sonny was able to take Larry's babbling and think out of the box with it.

Posted by: BankerVance | February 22, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I think a brief synopsis for holes in the starting roster would be:

Offense
LT
RT
RB
RG
C

Defense
FS
OLB
CB(we need another cover corner)
LDT (we need someone alongside big Al)

Special Teams
KR
PR

We also lack depth in a lot of positions:

Offense
QB
RB
LT
LG
FB

Defense
WILL/SAM/MIKE
LDE
LDT
RDT

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 22, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

sign Marcus Mcneil(SD), or JBrown(NO) start either guy at LT
Draft Okung, start him at RT(1st round)
Draft VDucasse, start him at RG(2nd round)

Yeah, that wouldn't improve the team at ALL...weak jreid...weak..this ain't the WNBA, get that crap outta here....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 22, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Yeah cause potentially available guys like Peppers, Dansby, Seymour, Wilfork, Chester Taylor, Antrelle Rolle, and a long list of other guys that are either UFA's or are likely to be cut would have no impact on anybody's roster. JReid, you whiffed on this one man. No cap means they can absolutely revamp the roster and quickly. What it also means is that most everyone they can/will sign will be 2 years older than what may have been available otherwise, and overall there won't be as many FAs available as there would be with a cap. But with no spending limits there will be plenty of new meat for Shanny/Allen to grab with Danny's deep pockets. IMO we'll sign at least 3 olineman, at least 2 linebackers, probably a safety, and if Casey Hampton and or Wilfork hit the market we probably will look long and hard at one of them. That's a pretty good overhaul in my book.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 22, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

bsilvanus,
I know you are just Jon Jansen. Don't be bitter Jon.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 22, 2010 9:53 AM

OUCH! THAT one is gonna leave a mark.

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Then when Seattle got the tape they develpoed a game plan for TC. They realized that he can't throw to the sidelines. He doesn't have the arm strength.
Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 22, 2010 11:39 AM
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Half the Skins OLine was out injured for the Seattle playoff game. Stephon Heyer, who still should not be in the NFL, STARTED that game as a Rookie who had never played an NFL down. Collins was running for his life from Heyer's primary responsibility, DT Patrick Kearney. Kearney broke the NFL playoff sack record..thanks to Stephon.

Collins is by far a better QB than JC.. Everyone can see it when he steps in... like the last time in the Gints game.. When JC went out briefly before the Half ended.. Collins, in 4 plays, moved the team further than JC had for the whole previous Half.. 2 for 4 for 57 yards. Would of been 3 for 4 but Davis drops a sure TD.. Next play.. Collins is out and Zorn puts in the Swinging Gate play that will live on forever in Redskins bone-headed coaching infamy.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 22, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

For as bad as he was in many games, esp. at tackle, Mike Williams did seem to get better as the season rotted on after he was moved to guard. Maybe another off-season of re-conditioning, plus a new line coach, makes RG less of a screaming need (or more of a merely shouting need). The guy is big and fast ... maybe improving on strength (as well as cardio) would improve his utility ... so the decibel level order of need would become something like: LT, C, RT, RG, LG.

[Also, I too am wondering about the significances of this offseason move of picking up Denver's released center from their 4th round last year ...]

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Brownwood26 said: ...The results were often disasterous for Atlanta.


`


Atlanta Falcons

Vick Starting QB = 39-34 (53%)

W/O Vick playing = 8-14 (36%)

Take it for what it is.

The 2007 Atlanta Falcons finished 4-12. They thought Vick was going to be their QB that year and he wasn't and they sucked. Given Vick's consistency, I have reason to believe the Falcons would have had a much better season.

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I guess the mayor sees more holes in the roster than we do. He never wants to miss a chance to snatch that gray cloud away from the silver lining. You know, if this guy is such a football guru, then why doesn't he post his own mock draft?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 22, 2010 11:40 AM
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I think we on RI and the Mayor will be the last to know what Bruce Allen and Shanahan have planned.
They dont have the Ego stroking needs that Vinny wanted.. So, they are going to be very close to the vest on their personnel plans and potential maneuvers..
We, on RI are just not use to this professionalism... haha

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 22, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Here's hoping zjfr2's take is the antithesis of the thinking in Redskins Park.

Uncapped year is not a free pass at all the FA booty, it's a time to shed salary. And if you go hogwild on FAs this year and the cap comes back, you'd have to cut half the team just to get back under.

This is not a quick and easy fix. We're probably gonna suck for a couple years as this team continues the shift from the power running Gibbs set up to the WCO Shanny setup. For once under Snyder, let's hope they build it RIGHT...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 22, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 22, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

It appears that Collins completed his 1 deep middle pass before the defense adjusted. Let me tell you how the rest of that game works out. Collins goes 5-12 and gets sacked in his own end zone for a safety.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 22, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 22, 2010 11:59 AM |

Dude - if it were truly a "brief synopsis", instead of

Offense
LT
RT
RB
RG
C

it would be

Offense
OL
RB

(I always thought a synopsis was brief. If you was looking for a way to pack irony and idiocy into one phrase you would be hard pressed to come up with anything to beat "brief synopsis".)

Posted by: BankerVance | February 22, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 22, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Wow 2 passes. That's a great sample size. I'll tell you what happens the rest of the game. The free safety stands in the middel of the field and TC is shutout the rest of the game. He goes 5-12 and get sacked in his own end zone.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 22, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Wow Vicc...you really took that sentence out of context.

If you wanted to challenge what I was REALLY saying, you'd get Vick's record against the Bucs and come back to me with the Falcons W/L record and Vick's numbers in those games.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 22, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Who is the Real Julius Peppers? Very few people know, and that’s why red flags have been raised as he prepares to hit the open market March 5.

“I wouldn’t touch him, for that money and what he gives you,’’ said an ex-Panthers personnel man. “On the field, he’s a freak athletically, but it’s whether he shows up or not. He’ll go two and three games and do nothing but take up space. Then he’ll have two sacks, a forced fumble, a pick, and change the game. And that’s the danger. He can mesmerize you, but it’s not consistent.’’

“He could end up costing some personnel guy his job,’’ said an AFC scout with extensive experience evaluating Peppers. “I’m terrified of him. In my heart of hearts, I believe that if you pay this guy, I don’t think you’ll see a double-digit sack [season] again the rest of his career.’’

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 22, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Here's hoping zjfr2's take is the antithesis of the thinking in Redskins Park.

Uncapped year is not a free pass at all the FA booty, it's a time to shed salary. And if you go hogwild on FAs this year and the cap comes back, you'd have to cut half the team just to get back under.

This is not a quick and easy fix. We're probably gonna suck for a couple years as this team continues the shift from the power running Gibbs set up to the WCO Shanny setup. For once under Snyder, let's hope they build it RIGHT...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 22, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

So you'd be against signing Jbrown from NO, Gandy from AZ, a Guard, Rolle from AZ, Dansby, Foote, and Wilfork or Hampton, drafting a young tackle and running back, rolling with JC for one more year and addressing the need at QB next year while consistently drafting in the trenches/front 7 over the next 3 or 4 drafts to replace the vets we have/sign this year who still have 3 or 4 solid years left?

I'm not.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 22, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Uncapped year is not a free pass at all the FA booty, ...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 22, 2010 12:11 PM |

It may be booty but ain't nobody thinking of touching it because the bigger booty is in the draft picks you would lose, which in this talent-rich draft is Kim Kardashian grade booty.

Posted by: BankerVance | February 22, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

rolling with JC for one more year and addressing the need at QB next year while consistently drafting in the trenches/front 7 over the next 3 or 4 drafts to replace the vets we have/sign this year who still have 3 or 4 solid years left?

I'm not.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 22, 2010 12:19 PM
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me either.. I am stuck with Season Tix.. and dont wish to watch Status Quo at QB again.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 22, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I didn't take it out of context Brownwood26, i knew whacha meant...context was irrelevant, however, because Vick did not play the Bucs for 16 games a season.

I don't like it either but that is the way of the NFL and QBs will continue to be judged on winning!

Even Peyton Manning faces criticism for his post-season record.

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Z, I'm saying I wouldn't get more than one of those FA guys you're talking about. I have serious reservations about even doing that much in FA. Besides, the majority of the guys you listed won't see the open market because of the franchise tag.

I'm saying build thru the draft. The misadventures in FA have proven time and time again that there aren't any shortcuts in building a team. Do it right, don't try and swing for the fences in one offseason just because there's no cap.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 22, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Guys,
I see a lot of guys on this team with decent skills that haven't been used effectively. Take MK for instance. Zorn, for some hair brained reason, wanted to use him as a deep threat and had him run several fly patterns. Hey, the guy is the slowest receiver on the team, but he is big, so why not teach him how to use that big body to catch in traffic? Orakpo at linebacker, Landry at free safety: there are several guys that haven't been used in ways to maximize their abilities. My point is the team is closer than anyone thinks if Shanny and crew use the players like they should be used. The o-line is definitely in terrible shape, but I think Shanahan can fix it this year. Getting a left tackle with the number one pick is half of the battle.

There are guys like Marko Mitchell and Kevin Barnes on the roster who were sparingly used in the regular season. We got glimpses of their potential, but Zorn held them back because of his rookie phobia. Shanahan won't be shy about using them.

I, for one, don't think the team is far away. They just need to fix the o-line this year, and get some more playing time for the youngsters. They are not Super Bowl bound but I expect them to finish strong as the players get more comfortable in the scheme...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 22, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

"We want to evaluate our players first," Allen said in a recent phone interview. "Our coaches are doing a great job of going back and watching tape of our players. And not just watching the tape from the 2009 season but every snap a player has played with the Washington Redskins.

"And that evaluation process is ongoing. We want to get that completed before March 1. And we've taken a lot of steps to make sure our coaches have the ability to continue to evaluate the current Redskins in free time at the combine."

PR-ese translation = we be sucking next yr

Posted by: BankerVance | February 22, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

(I always thought a synopsis was brief. If you was looking for a way to pack irony and idiocy into one phrase you would be hard pressed to come up with anything to beat "brief synopsis".)

Posted by: BankerVance | February 22, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

It's a brief synopsis because all I did was list the abbreviations for positions instead of offering a paragraph of detailed analysis explaining why each abbreviation for a position was actually a need.


Your example doesn't work because you use OL as a position of need when we are in fact fine at LG. You also left out the defensive needs and special team needs. So your brief synopsis is incomplete and incorrect. If the point were merely just brevity with disregard to fact then yeah you would have a point. In the future don't use the singular form "was" when using the subject "You". "You" is always plural in subject verb agreement. Using "was" incorrectly reeks of Bamaness. Nobody wants to be a Bama.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 22, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Z, I'm saying I wouldn't get more than one of those FA guys you're talking about. I have serious reservations about even doing that much in FA. Besides, the majority of the guys you listed won't see the open market because of the franchise tag.

I'm saying build thru the draft. The misadventures in FA have proven time and time again that there aren't any shortcuts in building a team. Do it right, don't try and swing for the fences in one offseason just because there's no cap.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 22, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

The only guys I listed that are even being talked about being franchised are Wilfork and Hampton. The rest are all scheduled to be UFAs and Rolle is scheduled to make 12 million next season and is likely to be cut.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/21/antrel-could-get-rolled-out-of-arizona/

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 22, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

I, for one, don't think the team is far away.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 22, 2010 12:27 PM

I agree. I think that if Shanahan had coached Zorn's team last year the 'Skins would have gone 10-6. The would have won games against Detroit, Kansas City, Dallas, New Orleans, San Diego, and Carolina. 'Skins face a tougher schedule this year, but with an improved roster, better coaching, better morale, better play-calling, they should be in the running for a playoff spot.

Posted by: League-Source | February 22, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Wow 2 passes. That's a great sample size. I'll tell you what happens the rest of the game. The free safety stands in the middel of the field and TC is shutout the rest of the game. He goes 5-12 and get sacked in his own end zone.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 22, 2010 12:15 PM
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Dear Mrs. Campbell..
The 3 passes in the last 4 plays TC ran at the end of that Giants game half was the most recent comparison of another QB with the same personnel (OLine and WR) that JC had. And even the national commentators remarked how much better the Redskins played with Collins for that brief substitution.

JC will not last a Shanahan regime.. The career (4-21 in the NFC East) qb fraud will be benched or traded.. Shanny said he wants accuracy in passing and passion for the game.. JC has neither.

My favorite microcosm of JC's lack of passion...is actually between series when he is on the bench.. At FedEx you can see this easily.. JC doesnt look at the photos from the booth, even when Zorn hands them to him.. (Collins does and isnt even playing). JC never talks to his Line or WRs.. He just sits and looks blankly at the field. You wouldnt know by looking at him if the Skins were behind or ahead.. Its just the same blank stare at the field. Even with us numb nuts yelling behind him in our seats...
ummmm maybe he is thinking about his Tuesday direct deposits??

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 22, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Says Rolle wants to play for the Dolphins. And the Dolphins will sign him if that's truly the case. Hopefully Rolle's love for money will supersede his geographical location and play for us. He could play FS and Laron back to SS.

We should drafted him instead of Carlos Rogers. Has there ever been a successful Carlos in the NFL?

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

"We want to evaluate our players first," Allen said in a recent phone interview. "Our coaches are doing a great job of going back and watching tape of our players. And not just watching the tape from the 2009 season but every snap a player has played with the Washington Redskins.

"And that evaluation process is ongoing. We want to get that completed before March 1. And we've taken a lot of steps to make sure our coaches have the ability to continue to evaluate the current Redskins in free time at the combine."

PR-ese translation = we be sucking next yr

Posted by: BankerVance | February 22, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

How does a statement about evaluating talent = saying the team will suck next year?

I don't speak this PR-ese you talk about.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | February 22, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

*correction*

...geographical location...

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 12:40 PM

should be ...geographical preference...

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

oops.. correction.. JC did show passion, last March, when he said he would request a trade if the Skins acquired Sanchez.
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JC will not last a Shanahan regime.. The career (4-21 in the NFC East) qb fraud will be benched or traded.. Shanny said he wants accuracy in passing and passion for the game.. JC has neither.

My favorite microcosm of JC's lack of passion...is actually between series when he is on the bench.. At FedEx you can see this easily.. JC doesnt look at the photos from the booth, even when Zorn hands them to him.. (Collins does and isnt even playing). JC never talks to his Line or WRs.. He just sits and looks blankly at the field. You wouldnt know by looking at him if the Skins were behind or ahead.. Its just the same blank stare at the field. Even with us numb nuts yelling behind him in our seats...
ummmm maybe he is thinking about his Tuesday direct deposits??

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 22, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Your Sharks Olympic Hockey weekend update.

All 8 Sharks took the ice, starting Saturday with German starter and Shark backup goalie Thomas Griess, who took the loss to Belarus.

But it was Sunday where the Sharks were evident in every game. In the opener, Shark starting goalie Evgeni Nabakov kept the Czech Republic at bay in a 4-2 win.

The late game featured bone crushing Shark and Swedish defenseman Douglas Murray, who got plenty of air time for his hits against Finland.

But it was the amazing middle game that featured Shark on Shark action. 5 Sharks played, Joe Pavelski for the US versus Marleau, Boyle, Heatley and Thornton for Canada. The Sharks took 1/3 of Canada's 42 shots and Heatley got a goal, but the story was the difference in goalies, with Miller brilliance outdoing Brodeur's mediocrity.

At the end of the prelim rounds, Heatley is tied for the lead with 4 goals and 5 points, while Boyle, Marleau and Pavelski all have multiple points. In goal, Griess was 0-2 for the winless German team, while Nabakov was 2-0 for the Russian team.

And a brief editorial comment: the US-Canada match was one of the best sporting contests I've even seen, any sport, any time any place. Even more remarkable since it was a preliminary round.

Now onto upcoming events.

In the elimination first round action, 5 Sharks go in the German vs Canada game. Though Canada is easily the better team, Germany will have an added day of rest. 3 Sharks get a bye until the quarterfinals, Murray, Nabakov and Pavelski.

And that is your Sharks Olympic weekend update.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

So you'd be against signing ...

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 22, 2010 12:19 PM |

Them UFAs that are worth signing are going to be franned. The others are not a value prop in terms of $$$ and/or draft picks surrendered.

Posted by: BankerVance | February 22, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Marcus McNiell has Stenosis but he's only 26. You could try to sign him to maybe a 4-5 year contract or try offering him right tackle money but I doubt you end up getting him. I think some team that is ready to win now that needs a left tackle will make a better offer. Those teams include the Chargers and the Packers.


Jamaal Brown will most likely be restricted. The Saints would be dumb not to tender him. Some other team that needs a left tackle and has draft picks to bargain with will probably get him.

I'd love to have one of those two but i just don't see it happening and I don't know if they'll still be good by the time we are ready to compete.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 22, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Ya gonna do a Team USA World Cup weekend update in the future, zce zce ?

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 22, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Not too mention brown, when Allen was hired he talked about a quick turnaround, and Shanny talked about winning right away and the attractiveness of having a supportive owner during an uncapped year. Do you really think they're just going to sit on their hands sign nobody, draft 5 players commit to a 3 or 4 year rebuilding plan. IMO we will be the most active team in FA once again, and I'm fine with that, as long as its not the squandering of draft picks in bad trades and not the signings like not so Primetime, Bruce, and Jeff George and more like the types of London Fletcher, Cornelius Griffen, and Derrick Dockery signings. Which with this regime in charge I think we will be much smarter in our decisions, will sign people that address our biggest needs who fit our system, and will place more importance on the draft in the future. But with the pressure to turn things around and only 5 draft picks I think its pretty naive to think we hired Allen and Shanny to preside over a slow rebuilding project.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 22, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I, for one, don't think the team is far away.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 22, 2010 12:27 PM

I agree. I think that if Shanahan had coached Zorn's team last year the 'Skins would have gone 10-6. The would have won games against Detroit, Kansas City, Dallas, New Orleans, San Diego, and Carolina. 'Skins face a tougher schedule this year, but with an improved roster, better coaching, better morale, better play-calling, they should be in the running for a playoff spot.

Posted by: League-Source

I pretty much agree. Heck, had this team simply shown up in the 1st quarter, they would have been 8-8.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Them UFAs that are worth signing are going to be franned. The others are not a value prop in terms of $$$ and/or draft picks surrendered.

Posted by: BankerVance | February 22, 2010 12:44 PM |

You don't surrender draft picks for UFA.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 22, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I'd love to have one of those two but i just don't see it happening and I don't know if they'll still be good by the time we are ready to compete.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 22, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

PA is right, all of the servicable left tackles out there in FA (McNeill, Brown, et al) are going to be restricted at a high tender, so would most likely cost us our first round pick - not a price I think any of us want to pay. The only UFAs at that position are guys well into their 30s - another road we don't need to go down.

There are a few good UFAs at other positions that could help us (Dansby in particular comes to mind), but I'd like to see us build our line primarily through the draft for the next couple of years.

Posted by: PDXskin | February 22, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest, as a person with severely restricted olympics viewing time, I appreciate your extra eyes and reports.

That said, the only events that I would have been looking forward to would have been womens' hockey, i.e., chicks with sticks. Have you watched and, most importantly, have there been any cat fights (RREEORROW!) on the ice yet? C-c-c-at fight!

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

And that is your Sharks Olympic weekend update.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 12:44 PM |

They should install a real shark tank in the Shark Tank with real sharkies, just like the Rays have a Ray Tank at Trop Field with real rays swimming around. Then you should jump in the shark tank and play with the sharkies. An update of the "go play in traffic" cliche.

Posted by: BankerVance | February 22, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

The Skins issues in 2009 were not related to a lack of talent, except on the OL. It was a lack of discipline, poor coaching and game planning.

However, a lot of talent will be leaving in the next 2 years, and so there will be a lot of turnover. Among the top 30 players on their way out: R Thomas, C Samuels, Smoot, Fletcher, Griffin, Daniels, Betts and Portis.

There is a pretty good sized group that is also on the fence for more than 2 years (Moss, ARE, Carter, etc).

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

They should install a real shark tank in the Shark Tank with real sharkies, just like the Rays have a Ray Tank at Trop Field with real rays swimming around. Then you should jump in the shark tank and play with the sharkies. An update of the "go play in traffic" cliche.

Posted by: BankerVance

I've swum with sharks

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

dc, general rule of thumb in olympic hockey, is no fights....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 22, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

That said, the only events that I would have been looking forward to would have been womens' hockey, i.e., chicks with sticks.

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2010 12:58 PM |

So if it's transvestite women's hockey then it would be chicks with dicks and sticks?

Posted by: BankerVance | February 22, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

sign Marcus Mcneil(SD)

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 22, 2010 11:37 AM |

I would love to see the Skins make a bold move for this guy. Maybe offer up a trade of 1st round picks and a conditional second or third next year;

Posted by: TWISI | February 22, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

IMO we will be the most active team in FA once again, and I'm fine with that, as long as its not the squandering of draft picks in bad trades and not the signings like not so Primetime, Bruce, and Jeff George and more like the types of London Fletcher, Cornelius Griffen, and Derrick Dockery signings. ... But with the pressure to turn things around and only 5 draft picks I think its pretty naive to think we hired Allen and Shanny to preside over a slow rebuilding project.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 22, 2010 12:51 PM

Jack's indefatigably [look it up] optimistic spin on how things can unfold under The Owner's historically consistent approach to football is getting me pumped not only for the offseason (which always has been the Skins' best season anyway), but also the ACTUAL season!

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

They should install a real shark tank in the Shark Tank with real sharkies, just like the Rays have a Ray Tank at Trop Field with real rays swimming around. Then you should jump in the shark tank and play with the sharkies. An update of the "go play in traffic" cliche.

Posted by: BankerVance

I've swum with sharks

Posted by: zcezcest1

I've also swum with rays

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Wilfork gets his franchise tag
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 22, 2010 12:58 PM ET
We've read a lot about New England having a "tough decision" to make about possibly franchising Vince Wilfork, but the decision always seemed like a matter of when, not if.

Shalise Manza Young of the Providence Journal tweeted that she's "hearing" that Monday will be the day it happens.

A short while later, Comcast Sports New England's Tom Curran confirmed to PFT that Wilfork has indeed been tagged.

Curran spoke with Wilfork's agent Kennard McGuire earlier Monday. McGuire simply said they are talking things "one day at a time."

Using the tag now, of course, doesn't prevent a long-term deal from occurring later this offseason. That's Wilfork's goal, but he can only reach it after being the team's franchise player first.

Posted by: TWISI | February 22, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse


I, for one, don't think the team is far away.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 22, 2010 12:27 PM

I agree. I think that if Shanahan had coached Zorn's team last year the 'Skins would have gone 10-6. The would have won games against Detroit, Kansas City, Dallas, New Orleans, San Diego, and Carolina. 'Skins face a tougher schedule this year, but with an improved roster, better coaching, better morale, better play-calling, they should be in the running for a playoff spot.

Posted by: League-Source

I pretty much agree. Heck, had this team simply shown up in the 1st quarter, they would have been 8-8.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse


Bartender, I'll have what they're having.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 22, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I've swum with sharks

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 1:02 PM |

Except that these sharkies would not have been fed for 2 wks.

Posted by: BankerVance | February 22, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I would love to see the Skins make a bold move for this guy. Maybe offer up a trade of 1st round picks and a conditional second or third next year;

Posted by: TWISI | February 22, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I totally disagree with this. That is exactly the type of move I think will stop under the new regime. I think we are very active and sign several UFAs that will cost us now draft picks. And I'm fine with that, but giving up picks for health question marks is not the way we should or will go IMO.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 22, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I've swum with sharks

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 1:02 PM |

Except that these sharkies would not have been fed for 2 wks.

Posted by: BankerVance | February 22, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I would love to see the Skins make a bold move for this guy. Maybe offer up a trade of 1st round picks and a conditional second or third next year;

Posted by: TWISI | February 22, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I totally disagree with this. That is exactly the type of move I think will stop under the new regime. I think we are very active and sign several UFAs that will cost us no draft picks. And I'm fine with that, but giving up picks for health question marks is not the way we should or will go IMO.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 22, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

dc, general rule of thumb in olympic hockey, is no fights....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 22, 2010 1:02 PM

Damb ... still, I was hoping maybe there might be a Tonya Harding-type on one of the teams who might flip the general rule for my viewing pleasure ... RREEOOW ...

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

dc, general rule of thumb in olympic hockey, is no fights....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

fighting gets you thrown out of the game ... and the next game. Which makes it about the dumbest thing you can do in a tournament

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell starting again for the Redskins in 2010.

Figure Skating in the Olympics.


I have no idea why these two statements come to mind.. but I just had to express them..


Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 22, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I've swum with sharks

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 1:02 PM |

Except that these sharkies would not have been fed for 2 wks.

Posted by: BankerVance

I don't think sharks eat very often. However, I'm adventurous, not foolish.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Bartender, I'll have what they're having.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 22, 2010 1:04 PM

And while you're at it, bartender, pour us another round -- on etrod, of course.

Posted by: League-Source | February 22, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

but giving up picks for health question marks is not the way we should or will go IMO.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 22, 2010 1:05 PM

I got it the first time. What health question marks?

Posted by: TWISI | February 22, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

MO we will be the most active team in FA once again, and I'm fine with that, as long as its not the squandering of draft picks in bad trades and not the signings like not so Primetime, Bruce, and Jeff George and more like the types of London Fletcher, Cornelius Griffen, and Derrick Dockery signings. ... But with the pressure to turn things around and only 5 draft picks I think its pretty naive to think we hired Allen and Shanny to preside over a slow rebuilding project.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 22, 2010 12:51 PM

Jack's indefatigably [look it up] optimistic spin on how things can unfold under The Owner's historically consistent approach to football is getting me pumped not only for the offseason (which always has been the Skins' best season anyway), but also the ACTUAL season!

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

and people say I'm only negative. this season may go down as one of the greatest ever....we got rid of Zorn, we finally got rid of Vinny and actually hired a GM, we got a real HOF coach that isn't 95 years old and actually still has a strong desire to win, and prolly won't forget you can't call timeout twice in a row, we have an uncapped year coming in which we can dump all the crap contracts we want, as well as sign anyone we want, we didn't finish in the top 8 so we have no restrictions on who we can sign, we have a top 5 pick, and we have capable people in charge. IMO we'll sign 7-10 solid veterans familiar with our new systems to bridge 3 year process it will take to draft young replacements into the organization. I couldn't be happier about where we stand, IMO we see a ton of turnover and a completely different team next year compared to the style, results, and accountability that we've seen the last decade. I'm pumped, watching the Haslett interview just got me even more excited, and watching some Houston Texans offensive highlights got me even more excited. I think we make huge strides this offseason, make the playoffs as a wild card next season, and perennially contend for the division after that. Danny stays out of the way while still signing the checks, Shanny and Allen build a stable contender for a decade then Kyle takes over for his father as we've returned to being one of the proudest franchises in the NFL as well as the sports world.....

Hail!

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 22, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I got it the first time. What health question marks?

Posted by: TWISI | February 22, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

spinal stenosis, same problem Samuels has

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 22, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

'Skins face a tougher schedule this year, but with an improved roster, better coaching, better morale, better play-calling, they should be in the running for a playoff spot.

Posted by: League-Source | February 22, 2010 12:39 PM |

You also need to factor into the picture the quantum improvement in Dallas' roster towards the end of last season. They will prob be a lot better coming out of the gate in 2010 then they were in 2009.

Posted by: BankerVance | February 22, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Sierras, what I have heard and read for the past year is that Jason's contract is up in '10, meaning he would normally be an unrestricted free agent. Without a new CBA, there is a provision in the old CBA that says that all FA's with less than 6 years of time in the NFL become restricted FA's. Since a new CBA is unlikely for this season, that's why most of the guys you see now listed as UFAs are older players. It's what they have been saying the whole time.

Since a lot of the younger guys will be RFAs, I think that's part of what everyone is referring to in saying that it will be more difficult. Because then it's not just about gassing up Redskins One and buying the guys you want. You'd have to give up picks potentially to get them.

But I do agree with you and Bean that it's not like there's *nothing* they can do. It will potentially be a great time to get out from under some weighty contracts, and that's a great start. Heck a starting caliber LT *or* RT would be a big improvement.

It might also be a decent year to trade down, assuming someone wants to come up. Unless Shanny is in love with Bradford, Clausen or one of the OTs, personally I think they'd be better off trying to get more picks. I think someone might trade up for Bradford, or on the outside chance that one of the two DTs is still there.

I'm of the mindset that they should do this thing right, not just go for the quick fix. They're going to be switching to new offensive and defensive schemes, which just on the face of it means we could struggle this year. So take the year to get as many of the players in place as you can, not just automatically go for the 'franchise' QB.

Posted by: ts35 | February 22, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

A guy to keep an eye on during the Combine this week:

Jared Veldheer - OT Hillsdale, 6' 8" 315 lb.

"Texas vs. Nation Game Review: Small-school tackles performed well throughout the week and the Nation's Jared Veldheer (Hillsdale College) looked like the same athletic, powerful lineman he did all week in practice, taking quick ends around the pocket and adjusting well to an inside spin move by quick Junior Galette (Stillman College). Veldheer blocked on kickoff return coverage. - Chad Reuter, The Sports Xchange, NFLDraftScout.com"

Most people have him graded as a mid round (3-5) Tackle. He's getting enough attention that Hillsdale is having a Pro Day for the first time in their history.

Posted by: anotherwes | February 22, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

spinal stenosis, same problem Samuels has

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 22, 2010 1:18 PM

I see. I guess we'll disagree on this one. Maybe you discount the conditional pick because of the health risk. IMO getting an elite OT going into his prime, while still keeping a 1st, and 2nd rounder in this draft would be a good move. Next year's draft will not be as deep as this one.

Posted by: TWISI | February 22, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

zJack, I'm not disagreeing! The "Vinny Gone" part of the key part of equation is what makes it work ... no doubt that the situation in Ashburn is like a NASCAR auto ... but to date, the keys have only been thrown to people who think they are getting a Rolls Royce (which no doubt a step up over the Yugo they drove before getting here). FINALLY, it looks like The Owner threw the keys to some guys who look like they actually might be able to drive the thing.

[This car analogy is lame, I know, but I'm trying to make a point that the business model might actually be syncing up with a football model.]

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Says Rolle wants to play for the Dolphins. And the Dolphins will sign him if that's truly the case. Hopefully Rolle's love for money will supersede his geographical location and play for us. He could play FS and Laron back to SS.

We should drafted him instead of Carlos Rogers. Has there ever been a successful Carlos in the NFL?

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Antrell Rolle was off the board when the 'Skins took Rogers with the 9th overall pick, having been taken by Arizona at 8.

Posted by: rbpalmer | February 22, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

That is, in the 2005 draft.

Posted by: rbpalmer | February 22, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

no doubt that the situation in Ashburn is like a NASCAR auto ...

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2010 1:32 PM

Uh, oh. If we're going the football/NASCAR route, there's only one man for the job, and he just walked away from it two years ago.

Posted by: League-Source | February 22, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

perennially contend for the division after that. Danny stays out of the way while still signing the checks, Shanny and Allen build a stable contender for a decade then Kyle takes over for his father as we've returned to being one of the proudest franchises in the NFL as well as the sports world.....

Hail!
Posted by: zjfr2 | February 22, 2010 1:17 PM

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Zjfr2, this will be Marty 2.0. I give it 2 years.

Skins vastly improve in 2010 and 2011 and in 2012 Shanny quits or is fired and a first time Head Coach is hired who deflects all credit back to Danny... However, uncoaches the work of Shanahan, till the Skins reach mediocrity again..... rinse repeat, rinse repeat.

Turner > Robiskie - rookie HC
Marty > Spurrier - rookie HC
Gibbs > Zorn - rookie HC
Shanahan > - ? rookie HC

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 22, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

the only reasons we suck last year was cause of a sh*tty o-line who couldn't block their mothers,and a backfield who played sissy coverage.I mean come on 10 to 15 yard coverage,how the f do cover like that and expect to not get burnt.Oh yea BRING BACK CHAMP!!!

Posted by: xpac69 | February 22, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Has there ever been a successful Carlos in the NFL?

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 12:40 PM

Does Karlos Dansby count?

Dre Bly's gonna be a UFA. Weren't Vinny and Dan trying to get him before he went to Denver?

Posted by: League-Source | February 22, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I see. I guess we'll disagree on this one. Maybe you discount the conditional pick because of the health risk. IMO getting an elite OT going into his prime, while still keeping a 1st, and 2nd rounder in this draft would be a good move. Next year's draft will not be as deep as this one.

Posted by: TWISI | February 22, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

He wasn't elite last year and has been having other health issues as well. The big question is whether he even fits this offense. I don't think he is known for his lateral movement. He's 330 pounds and he's playing in Norv's Coryell scheme. I think we are much better off taking Okung with the #4 overall. He has great lateral movement and the ability to get to the seocnd level. He's got the skills we need. I think Okung is a perfect fit for us. I think we would be crazy to pass on him.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 22, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

dre bly sucks.

Posted by: xpac69 | February 22, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

A guy to keep an eye on during the Combine this week:

Jared Veldheer - OT Hillsdale, 6' 8" 315 lb.

Most people have him graded as a mid round (3-5) Tackle. He's getting enough attention that Hillsdale is having a Pro Day for the first time in their history.

Posted by: anotherwes | February 22, 2010 1:25 PM
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might be too big in Shanny's eyes for a zone blocking offense.. Sounds like a Jacoby clone in size, though.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 22, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse


It's the same as it always has been over the last 10 years. Nothing has changed. So may I suggest everone stay focused and keep your eye's on the ball -

BOYCOTT $NYDER OR YOU REMAIN BRAINWASHED!!!

Posted by: hessone | February 22, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

dre bly sucks.

Posted by: xpac69 | February 22, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Yup, another guy that just hides in a zone and picks off a couple passes a year. No need to waste money on a guy like that...Dammit, we're already paying DHall 8 million a year!!!

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 22, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Next year's draft will not be as deep as this one.

Posted by: TWISI | February 22, 2010 1:31 PM

That's only b/c there won't be football in 2011-2012.

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 22, 2010 1:43 PM

If there is health issues, don't make the trade. I guess what I should've said was I'd like to see the Skins make a bold move for an elite OLman in FA regardless of their status (UFA, RFA), if that player fits into the Skin's scheme. Insert your player of choice.

Posted by: TWISI | February 22, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

'Skins face a tougher schedule this year, but with an improved roster, better coaching, better morale, better play-calling, they should be in the running for a playoff spot.

Posted by: League-Source | February 22, 2010 12:39 PM |

You also need to factor into the picture the quantum improvement in Dallas' roster towards the end of last season. They will prob be a lot better coming out of the gate in 2010 then they were in 2009.

Posted by: BankerVance | February 22, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm still not sold on a playoff spot, even if we put players in the right position. The main reason being our QB is average. I would say JC is the worst QB in our division, and if someone can make the argument that he is better than McNabb, Romo or Manning I would like to hear it, otherwise I see 8-8 at best. I'm trying to be realistic when I say we are at least 2 years away from playoff contention.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | February 22, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Has there ever been a successful Carlos in the NFL?

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 12:40 PM

Santana played the pre-game show before Super Bowl XXXVII.

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse


Does Karlos Dansby count?

Posted by: League-Source


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Good one. I'll accept this one simply because how differently could his life had turned out had his name be Carlos?

Santana is ok.

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

This Thursday is frachise tag day ... or deadline ... or when the next thing of any relevance happening.

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

might be too big in Shanny's eyes for a zone blocking offense.. Sounds like a Jacoby clone in size, though.

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Don't forget Shanny picked Ryan Clady at T, a very large T.

Posted by: anotherwes | February 22, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Has there ever been a successful Carlos in the NFL?

Posted by: Vicc

depends on your definition of success

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

This Thursday (2/25) is deadline for teams to tag their franchise and transition players (if any) from among their current UFAs (there is no need to tag any RFAs, obviously). This will shorten the list of available UFAs even further, but there should still be one or two out there worth getting in a bidding war over - and we all know Danny doesn't let himself get outbid in those situations!

Posted by: PDXskin | February 22, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget Shanny picked Ryan Clady at T, a very large T.

Posted by: anotherwes | February 22, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I think it's lateral movement that's important. Smaller guys tend to have better lateral speed but that is by no means a rule. Clady has very good lateral speed despite his size. Iupati is the same way. Okung also has very good lateral movement.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 22, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Ah shucks

Brownwood26 left...

I wanted to continue our exploration of why a teams winning percentage is typically pinned on a QB.

Some truth may lie in the fact that a winning percentage is one of the only measuring sticks for judging a coach's success. And you never hear of an assistant coach's winning percentage, just the Head Coach. So if you are against mentioning a QB's winning percentage, are you against mentioning a Head Coach winning percentage?

Look at Vince Young. He somehow won a lot of games this year.

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

This is one of the worst, most factually incorrect vapid articles I've ever read on here.

It's worse than anything JLC ever posted - it's so bad I'm seriously considering just deleting this link.

Posted by: mac2j | February 22, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Did You Know?:

Baby Walkers are illegal in Canada (since '04). Possesion of one can get you a fine up to $100,000 and Six Months in jail.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 22, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Vince Young led the same 0-6 Titans to 7 wins.

So for the Titans, a difference of just the QB position resulted in 7 wins.

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Baby Walkers are illegal in Canada (since '04).

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 22, 2010 2:16 PM

We have a dog walker come to our house every day. Is that illegal in Canada? Eh?

Posted by: League-Source | February 22, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Look at Vince Young. He somehow won a lot of games this year.

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I watched a lot of those Titans games and it is no accident that Vince Young is winning games on that team. First off, they had some injuries in the secondary that hurt them early in the season so it isn't all VY.

Now, consider this. VY can run AND throw now. He has changed his throwing mechanics and now throws a nice catchable ball. You pair his ability to scramble with Chris Johnson's rushing attack and suddenly you must keep 8 guys in the box or face getting ran over. With 8 guys in the box they are still running the ball. Now you try to send 9 in the box. This is when VY hits the wide open receiver. It doesn't show up on paper but Vince Young is actually pretty decent. Their coach adjusted the scheme to take advantage of what VY is good at. Watch a Titans game and get ready to crap your pants when you see them pull off a 15 yard run on an option play with 8 guys in the box. He also has great protection. That offensive line is giving him at least 4 seconds to throw the ball. That's a team that could be really good next year if Vince continues to progress. The other thing that helps is that since they are running the ball so much they are keeping the other team's offense off the field.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 22, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

skinsfanintampa: "I would say JC is the worst QB in our division, and if someone can make the argument that he is better than McNabb, Romo or Manning I would like to hear it, otherwise I see 8-8 at best"

An interesting point, and it made me wonder if JC suffers in esteem partly because he plays in a division with three strong veteran QBs.

In terms of QB ratings, Romo finished the regular season 8th in the NFL at 97.6, while Eli was 11th (93.1), and Donovan 12th (92.9). Campbell finished 15th with a QB rating of 86.4.

So all finished in the top half of the NFL. Looking at the NFC only, the four finished 4th, 6th, 7th, and 8th.

I don't think that's too bad for a QB with shredded wheat for an offensive line and play-calling straight out of a wire basket full of ping-pong balls.

So yes, Tony, Donovan, or Eli might have done better at QB for the Skins. But frankly, would they have wanted the job?

Posted by: Samson151 | February 22, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

JC will not last a Shanahan regime..

Posted by: cliftonbiz

I agree with this. Watching Shanahan in Denver with Jake the snake, Colt Brennan fits better than JC!

Posted by: poni66 | February 22, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

it's so bad I'm seriously considering just deleting this link.

Posted by: mac2j | February 22, 2010 2:14 PM |

"Seriously considering?" Don't do anything rash. You might want to discuss it with your friends and family, first. Committee decisions are always better than impetuous actions.

Posted by: League-Source | February 22, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Has there ever been a successful Carlos in the NFL?

Posted by: Vicc

depends on your definition of success

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 2:06 PM


My definition is the same as Dictionary.com

success: #1. the favorable or prosperous termination of attempts or endeavors.


Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Colt reminds me of Jake Plummer. Lots of potential, except I think Colt will be a better player.

Posted by: poni66 | February 22, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Watching Shanahan in Denver with Jake the snake, Colt Brennan fits better than JC!

Posted by: poni66 | February 22, 2010 2:24 PM

Jake got benched for Cutler. Colt Brennan would get benched for a bacon, lettuce, and tomato sandwich. My call is that Colt's not going to be on the opening day roster.

Posted by: League-Source | February 22, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"Now, consider this. VY can run AND throw now. He has changed his throwing mechanics and now throws a nice catchable ball."

He could always throw for distance, but he was never particularly accurate. He still isn't.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 22, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Has there ever been a successful Carlos in the NFL?

Posted by: Vicc
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Yes,

Carlos Santana with Beyonce.
One of the best SuperBowl halftimes ever. (SuperBowl XXXVII, Raiders Bucs).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zuDn8BOFP0

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 22, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Colt reminds me of Jake Plummer. Lots of potential, except I think Colt will be a better player.

Posted by: poni66 | February 22, 2010 2:26 PM

Not sure that's the ringing endorsement you're making it out to be.

Posted by: TWISI | February 22, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

He could always throw for distance, but he was never particularly accurate. He still isn't.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 22, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

He always threw wounded ducks before but now it's a catchable ball with a decent spiral and due to the defense trying to stop the run the receivers are wide open so he doesn't have to squeeze the ball into a window. His accuracy isn't that big of a deal now because the scheme has been adjusted to minmize the effect. They run and run until you get too close then they pass it over your head. His average is now over 7 yards per completion. Since the receivers are wide open he can just loft it up and let the receiver run under it. He isn't and doesn't have to hit the receiver in stride.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 22, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

When Phillip Rivers was entering the NFL draft, his NC state college coach Chuck Amato had this to say about his QB:

"He's going to make somebody a winner, because he is a winner,"


Somebody should email Chuck and tell him that a single QB can't win a ballgame. Dummy. What does Chuck Amato know about football? (dripping with sarcasm)

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Colt reminds me of Jake Plummer. Lots of potential, except I think Colt will be a better player.

Posted by: poni66 | February 22, 2010 2:26 PM

Not sure that's the ringing endorsement you're making it out to be.

Posted by: TWISI | February 22, 2010 2:34 PM
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Cult of Colt = Jock of Jake

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 22, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

What started the talk about Vince Young? Someone want to draft Tebow or something?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 22, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Has there ever been a successful Carlos in the NFL?

Posted by: Vicc

depends on your definition of success

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 2:06 PM


My definition is the same as Dictionary.com

success: #1. the favorable or prosperous termination of attempts or endeavors.


Posted by: Vicc

Well, then its clear. Carlos Rogers has certainly prospered.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I wish they'd bring those type of shows back SkinsneedaGM.


'The Who' had no energy


Beyonce is perfect.

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I don`t know why guys like ESPN`s Mcshay and Kiper have the skins picking S. Bradford with thew no. 4 pick? JC has learned to hurry things up with the no-existent O line he play`s behind. A rookie..would get just killed behind that line. The Jets have a very good O line..and Mark S. got knocked about for half a year.
A good O line makes the QB look better, makes most any running back better, and will play a key role in scoring more points per game.
The only thing that makes sense is get as many O linemen as possible. None should have more than 5-6 years in the league. they need to have at least 7 O linemen that are capable of playing interchangably.
It would be good to pick up a speed running back..either through free agency, or someone not drafted. SPEED IS VERY IMPORTANT. THE CURRENT CROP OF BACKS CAN BARELY OUT RUN D LINEMEN.

Posted by: blazerguy234 | February 22, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Baby Walkers are illegal in Canada (since '04). Possesion of one can get you a fine up to $100,000 and Six Months in jail.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 22, 2010 2:16 PM

Note to self: Next time in Toronto, avoid Johnny/Black Label except in hi-ball glasses.

In other news, I think that Jimmy Clausen will be a very very successful QB in the NFL ... on par with several much taller ones (Rivers, Roethlesberger, either Manning) and has as much upside as Matt Ryan or Stafford ... but I still don't know whether its more important for the Skins to replace Chris Samuels first (and/or whether any of the top LTs are on par with Samuels when he was drafted).

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Has there ever been a successful Carlos in the NFL?

Posted by: Vicc

depends on your definition of success

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 2:06 PM


My definition is the same as Dictionary.com

success: #1. the favorable or prosperous termination of attempts or endeavors.


Posted by: Vicc

Well, then its clear. Carlos Rogers has certainly prospered.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

depends on your definition of prosper

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

What started the talk about Vince Young? Someone want to draft Tebow or something?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 22, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

No, I think it was something to do with winning percentages. Nobody wants Tim Tebow. Although I did see a mock draft giving us Tebow in the second round. I thought that was pretty funny. Why use a second on tebow when you could use a 4th on a better prospect.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 22, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Actually, what was amazing about Tennessee last season was their lack of success. Chris Johnson sets an NFL record for yards from scrimmage -- the best season an RB has EVER had (at least in the 16 game era). Yet the team struggles. How does that happen?

fwiw, our top 4 offensive guys -- Moss, Portis, ARE and Fred Davis -- had the same yards from scrimmage as Chris Johnson.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Beyonce is perfect.


Posted by: Vicc


Rihanna would make a good half time show... along with many other things.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 22, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Two more rumors from National Football Post, these placing the Redskins in the running for linebacker Karlos Dansby and for running back Chester Taylor.

Maybe the Kurtshanahan knows something after all??

Posted by: poni66 | February 22, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Well, then its clear. Carlos Rogers has certainly prospered.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

depends on your definition of prosper

Posted by: Vicc

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Washington Redskins: Cornerback Carlos Rogers, the ninth overall pick in the 2005 draft, has agreed to a five-year contract.

The deal is worth a maximum of $17.45 million over the life of the contract with $11.23 million in bonuses.

*********

Even without a dime of bonus $$, $6+mil for 5 years fits my definition of 'prosper', fit yours Vicc?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

$11.23 million in bonuses

I'd bet MOST, if not ALL of these went unearned if they had anything to do with such things as performance, interceptions, pro-bowls, etc.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 22, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Even without a dime of bonus $$, $6+mil for 5 years fits my definition of 'prosper', fit yours Vicc?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 3:01 PM


Yes..that and

Skydiving twice a month.

`

I like Rhianna for HT show. I'd also like to see Pink perform a halftime show as well.

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Easy, they lost their first 6 games and got into a hole too big to get out of. Their secondary was terrible without Cortland Finnegan and Kerry Collins couldn't hit the broadside of a barn standing in it with the door closed.

Collins had a 55% completion percentage with a 5.7 yard average. He also had 6 TDs to 8 INTs. He was only sacked 6 times in 6 games. He simply can't play football anymore.

They got Finnegan back and put in Vince Young. After that they only lost 2 games but the damage was already done.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 22, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

OK so-called Redskins fans, what do you want?

Do you want a quick fix, smoke and mirrors approach? Do you want a move that would be a lot of hype and disguise a long term rebuild? or do you want move towards long term success?

The Skins have TOO MANY HOLES to draft another QB in the 1st round let alone with the 4th pick. This would be the 3rd QB drafted in the 1st round in the last 10-years!!!! Remember Ramsey, then Campbell and now Bradford/Clausen.

I say draft OL, OL and then RB or LBs. Even if he is not a great LT, he could be a strong RT. Let's go back to strong physical football teh NFC East requires. The Giants and Cowgirls have at least 3 pro-bowl caliber players in their front seven. Can we handle them? the truth is NO!!!

We need to get stronger and better upfront.

Posted by: oknow1 | February 22, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Easy, they lost their first 6 games and got into a hole too big to get out of. Their secondary was terrible without Cortland Finnegan and Kerry Collins couldn't hit the broadside of a barn standing in it with the door closed.

Collins had a 55% completion percentage with a 5.7 yard average. He also had 6 TDs to 8 INTs. He was only sacked 6 times in 6 games. He simply can't play football anymore.

They got Finnegan back and put in Vince Young. After that they only lost 2 games but the damage was already done.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17

Pretty much. I never cared much for Collins, but I had to admit he was good in 2008. He returned to his usual inept form in 2009. Even worse, he wasn't very good despite a good OL a great runner.

Wait, is there a point in this somewhere?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Beyonce is perfect.


Posted by: Vicc


Rihanna would make a good half time show... along with many other things.

Posted by: RedDMV

Finally something we all can agree on!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | February 22, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Rihanna would make a good half time show... along with many other things.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 22, 2010 2:57 PM

As long as she doesn't sing....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 22, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

"Vince Young led the same 0-6 Titans to 7 wins.So for the Titans, a difference of just the QB position resulted in 7 wins.Posted by: Vicc"

Well, yes and no. It wasn't just that Young was so good; it's that Collins got to be so bad.

If you look at Young's season, here's how he finished: 152 of 259, 58.7%, 21.6 attempts per game, 1879 yards, 7.3 yds per completion, 156 yds per game, 10 TDs, 7 INTs, 21 completions of more than 20 yards, 4 of more than 40 yds, and 9 sacks, for an overall rating of 82.8. That put him at 26th ranked, or 4 spots below Jason Campbell.

By comparison, Campbell completed 64.5% of his passes, averaged 31.7 attempts, 7.1 yds per completion, and 226 yards per game. Campbell tossed 20 TDs and 15 INTs,and was sacked 43 times for a rating of 86.4.

So the inference is that even though the Titans won all those games, Vince Young was a contributor rather than a driving force.

What Vince did, IMO, was take over for a struggling Collins and provide a whole new dimension to the offense, with his running rather than his passing. Don't forget Tennessee was the biggest underachiever in the first half of last season. There was always talent there.


Posted by: Samson151 | February 22, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151 | February 22, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you.. JC had no protection, and did an average job, which is why our focus should be OLine this year. Even with an improved OLine, I still don't see more than 8 wins with JC at QB. Until we upgrade our QB, we will be an average team at best given how tough the NFC East is, and I'm not so sure there is an upgrade in this years draft, so we may have to wait a year or 2 to find his replacement.

The only other way I see us making the playoffs this year, would be if we were somehow playing in the NFC West.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | February 22, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Wait, is there a point in this somewhere?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I doubt it. We're just bored. If there is a point then it's just to pass the time until football season starts again.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 22, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

4th this is the auto-tune era. I mean c'mon man, everyone knows that Rihanna won't get confused with Mary J. Blige.

Did you know there is a an anti auto-tune movement?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Anti-Auto-Tune_Movement

Posted by: RedDMV | February 22, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

F JayZ (and JZ for that matter)

But Bone are my dawgs......

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 22, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Bone?

That is the most splittin'/Get back together group in hip-hop.

Let me know when bone puts out something of relevancy not on or pre E 1999 Eternal...

Posted by: RedDMV | February 22, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Well, I'm the first to admit I could be wrong, but, for example, take a look at this from NFL Labor: http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d816762ba&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true. It announced who would be a UFA, and there's no mention of Jason Campbell. Take a look, too, at NFL Labor's list of RFA's, and there's Jason Campbell's name. My impression was that one of the reasons that the 'Skins had been so lax on aggressively resigning him was that they had the ability to match any offer made to him and they were willing to wait and see. I still think that's true. But, as I said, and a couple of you have suggested, I could be wrong.

Posted by: OintheSierras | February 22, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Oh, sorry, here's the RFA list:
http://nfllabor.com/category/2010-rfas/

Posted by: OintheSierras | February 22, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

This piece is stupid. Yes, there will be more RFA in an uncapped year.

There will be plenty of UFA. There will be guys cut because a team can do it without taking a salary cap hit. There will be teams looking to trade because they can do it without the salary cap hit.

There are problems, of course. WAS doesn't have much in the way of trade bait outside of Big Al. The UFA will be older than RFA. The guys cut will be underperforming and overpaid projects.


So it will take work to restock the roster. But the task facing Allen and Shanahan is made easier by the lack of a salary cap, not harder. Especially if they gamble on the final CBA cap not including 2010 bonus money, or for that matter grandfathering in the current roster.

So I completely disagree with JR's premise that it's more difficult to rebuild with an uncapped year, at least for the Redskins. They don't have a cap, and the owner's willing to spend whatever it takes.

BTW, just to stir things up, what if the Redskins trade for Kevin Kolb, say for their second-round pick, rather than draft a QB? Kolb looked pretty good last year.

Posted by: dpc2003 | February 22, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

The last album sucked.....

...but the 2 before that last one were head bangers....only for the true ones....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 22, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

BTW, just to stir things up, what if the Redskins trade for Kevin Kolb, say for their second-round pick, rather than draft a QB? Kolb looked pretty good last year.


Posted by: dpc2003 | February 22, 2010 3:35 PM

Would never happen. Besides, there isn't a QB available whether UFA/RFA or the draft that would be an upgrade over JC. The skins need to be acquiring picks, not trading them away.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

red, thats what I'm sayin.......wait...what are you sayin again???

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 22, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Ok. I get it now. I didn't read carefully enough. The RFA list is for an uncapped year. RI got it right.

Posted by: OintheSierras | February 22, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I hope Skins off-season goes as follows..

Within the team:

1.) Resign- Casey Rabach, Hunter the punter, ethan albright, levi jones

2.) Trade Carlos Rogers for 2nd rd pick

3.) (very wishful thinking here) Rams sign Campbell from us and we get their 2nd rd pick (1st pick in second rd)- hogs haven does a nice job talking about this: http://www.hogshaven.com/2010/2/19/1317488/campbell-too-good-for-rams-to-pass

Free Agency:
1.) Sign Antrel Rolle to take over Free Safety, he's young, he's good, and it allows us to move LL30 back to Strong Safety.(http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/21/antrel-could-get-rolled-out-of-arizona/)

2.) Now that Carlos is gone.. Sign Duante Robinson from the texans and he is the starter opposite DHall..another young DB who is probably better than Rogers.

3.) Now that we are going to a 3-4 we need another ILB to pair up with Fletcher...Sign a guy like Larry Foote from the lions, he's a vet but is only 29 and he shouldnt be very pricey.

That is an extremely solid Defense and with an uncapped year this scenario is very doable.

4.) Sign 1 or 2 Free Agent Olinemen to compete for starting spots.

5.) Sign a Veteran QB like Jeff Garcia to be a stop-gap QB for a year while we develope the rookie we draft.. or have them compete.

Draft:

rd 1- pik 4) Take Sam Bradford.. we need a QB now that JC17 is gone.
rd 2- pick 33 (from JC signing): Take the best OT available- maybe Bruce Campbell from Maryland.
rd 2- pick 36) If a good quality interior lineman or OT is available take him.. If they are reaches, take the RB Jahvid Best from Cal- the perfect change of pace back.
rd 2- pick ? (from Carlos Rogers signing)- If we took Best from Cal previously take the best Offensive Lineman available.
rd 4- Take the top offensive linemen available

Rest of the draft- best player available.

In that draft you get your QB of the future, two Olineman who should be able to come in and compete for starting spots right away, an explosive change of pace RB, a 4th rd Olinemen for depth, and then the best players available.

Now I realize this is a dream scenario, but it is not completely far fetched (except maybe the rams trying to get JC17).. The free agency part can easily happen, and then the draft would be tough but who knows

Posted by: jeffco01 | February 22, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I wish they'd bring those type of shows back SkinsneedaGM.


'The Who' had no energy


Beyonce is perfect.

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 2:47 PM
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yeah.. I guess the NFL did us a favor this year in the Super Bowl by not pairing up The Who with a female singer like they did with Beyonce and Santana.....
The image of her dancing in front of "The Who" would of been too much like the Sopranos Bada Bing strip bar....
Hot chick dancing in front of 70 year old men...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 22, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Bone?

That is the most splittin'/Get back together group in hip-hop.

Let me know when bone puts out something of relevancy not on or pre E 1999 Eternal...

Posted by: RedDMV | February 22, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Whats next, Goodie Mob plays 2011 halftime show

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | February 22, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if we will attack the RFA list? Snyder did that a couple of years ago but I think it cost us draft picks..anyone remember who we signed?

Posted by: poni66 | February 22, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a big Colt Brennan fan. But it would be far more interesting to watch him play for a season (even if he screws it up), than to watch JC wander around the field with his mouth hanging open for another 16 games.

Posted by: ggt546 | February 22, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if we will attack the RFA list? Snyder did that a couple of years ago but I think it cost us draft picks..anyone remember who we signed?

Posted by: poni66 | February 22, 2010 3:46 PM

No and and I why would you use the word "attack" the RFA list. With only 5 draft picks I would't even expect the team to even jab at the RFA list.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

2.) Trade Carlos Rogers for 2nd rd pick

3.) (very wishful thinking here) Rams sign Campbell from us and we get their 2nd rd pick (1st pick in second rd)- hogs haven does a nice job talking about this: http://www.hogshaven.com/2010/2/19/1317488/campbell-too-good-for-rams-to-pass

Posted by: jeffco01 | February 22, 2010 3:43 PM

No team is going to give us a 2nd rd for Hands of Stone.

No team (not even the Rams) would give up a second for Soups.

I would be happy for a 3rd rounder for each and taking Dan LeFevour

Posted by: ChrisWoody | February 22, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

BTW, just to stir things up, what if the Redskins trade for Kevin Kolb, ...

Posted by: dpc2003 | February 22, 2010 3:35 PM

... the next year people will be b!tching all year about how foolish a move it was.

What if pigs and monkeys started flying out of my butt (for example, rather than just crawling out at their current rate)?

Seriously, I have a much tastier "what if" ... the Patriots taggged Wilfork today ... but they still have UFA Leigh Bodden (who used to be one of only three talented guys on the Browns ... and was the saving hold patch for the loss of Asante Samuel).

Jason Campbell is not disgruntled (though he certainly would be within his rights to do so) ... his own career actually got better while the Skins were falling apart all around him (literally ... Samuels, R. Thomas, Portis, Betts, Cooley, Horton ... that other QB).

Compare that to the serious disgruntletude of Carlos Rogers, whose performance did not improve in any dramatic, much less visible sense.

Campbell is a grownup and would come back regardless. Rogers, on the other hand, for better or worse, is probably the Skins best CB (but the interceptions ... I know what you're thinking, but D'Angelo Hall does take plays off ... and the Skins pay for it). Add Bodden to the mix and Skins have some life in the backfield ... maybe even move Rogers to the safety net spot over the top (if not let him go outright). He doesn't get the love her just like the other 1st round Auburn teammate of his, but unlike Campbell, he has reflected back the negativity.

I say make a move for Bodden (at least Bodden before A. Rolle). What if the Skins did that?

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

LColes, Morton

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 22, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget ADRIAN TRACY, ED WANG, TERRELL WHITEHEAD, and MATT McCRACKEN post-draft if any of them fall that far.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 22, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

There are 235 players on the UFA list. If you look at guys who started 10+ games, it's pretty thin.

Tackles
Year team starts
10 GB Tauscher, Mark T 8
10 GB Clifton, Chad T 12
10 OAK Green, Cornell T 12

Guards
8 NE Neal, Steve G 12
9 DEN Hamilton, Ben G 8
9 DEN Hochstein, Russ G 10
9 CAR Vincent, Keydrick G 16
10 CIN Williams, Bobbie G 16

Center is not much better.

So, the real front office work is to find UFA that are not starting for them, but that might be an upgrade for you.

Posted by: dpc2003 | February 22, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

When Ovi decked Jagr I took that as a current Cap sending a message for the fans to a past Cap. Take that you pusillanimous bastard for sucking all them $$$ out of the team's till and just barely making an effort in return.

Posted by: BankerVance | February 22, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse


The image of her dancing in front of "The Who" would of been too much like the Sopranos Bada Bing strip bar

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 22, 2010 3:44 PM


~~Make it Rain~~

Signed

"Pacman" Jones


Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Ed Wang? I thought he was exposed in the Senior Bowl (so to speak)

Posted by: dpc2003 | February 22, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

what do the Skins have a surplus of (deepest)? Then what team needs it the most? And what is their surplus?

Deepest area for the Skins? DLine?
Greatest Need for the Skins? OLine..Yes..

What team has the deepest OLines in terms of talent? Jacksonville and Cleveland. Both of their second string OLines could be starters on other teams... Look how fast Pashos was snapped up when Jax let him go last year.

And the Jags and Browns greatest Needs?? Alot..but DLine is certainly one of them and so is QB. And they are out of our conference...even better.. Never improve your direct inconference competition.

Bruuuccee.. make a Deal with one of these teams!! I dont want to wait 3 years to rebuild the OLine.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 22, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

CECIL NEWTON from TENNESSEE STATE might be a good pick-up at center. 6'2" 310. I don't know if he's still on the JAGS roster or not. He fluctuated between JAX's active, inactive list in weeks 16-18, and was on their practice squad most of last year. I've been pimping him out as a good future performer since last year this time.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 22, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a big Colt Brennan fan. But it would be far more interesting to watch him play for a season (even if he screws it up), than to watch JC wander around the field with his mouth hanging open for another 16 games.

Posted by: ggt546 | February 22, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse


Smartest thing anyone has put on this blog all day. Most of this,"trading Cooley", or "Signing Bradford" and people making up their own completely insane FA and draft scenarios is ridiculous. It's mental diarreah.

At least Colt makes quick decisions with the ball, and seems to play with "passion".

You are right, 1 more year of watching that buffoon under center is too much too take.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 22, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a big Colt Brennan fan. But it would be far more interesting to watch him play for a season (even if he screws it up), than to watch JC wander around the field with his mouth hanging open for another 16 games.

Posted by: ggt546 | February 22, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse


Smartest thing anyone has put on this blog all day. Most of this,"trading Cooley", or "Signing Bradford" and people making up their own completely insane FA and draft scenarios is ridiculous. It's mental diarreah.

At least Colt makes quick decisions with the ball, and seems to play with "passion".

You are right, 1 more year of watching that buffoon under center is too much too take.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 22, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

In that draft you get your QB of the future, two Olineman who should be able to come in and compete for starting spots right away, an explosive change of pace RB, a 4th rd Olinemen for depth, and then the best players available.

Now I realize this is a dream scenario, but it is not completely far fetched (except maybe the rams trying to get JC17).. The free agency part can easily happen, and then the draft would be tough but who knows

Posted by: jeffco01 |

Dream scenario??? More like a NIGHTMARE!

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 22, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

And ANTONIO DIXON was a good performer for our d-line last year. Guess BALTIMORE still wants him, but I'd like to have him back what with GRIFFIN aging, and A-LO, GOLS, and MONTY all RFA's.

And ED WANG being "exposed" is why he'll not be drafted and a good pick-up post draft.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 22, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

This goes to the people who say JC17 is our best option at QB.

How did we know Fred Davis was any good until he started?

Also there had to be someone on the team who returns punts better than ARE. But how could we find out?

Zorn had this fear of starting or playing young players, Colt is the best QB on this team.....hands down!

He just needs the chance to play, and Shanny will give it to him.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 22, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a big Colt Brennan fan. But it would be far more interesting to watch him play for a season (even if he screws it up), than to watch JC wander around the field with his mouth hanging open for another 16 games.

Posted by: ggt546 | February 22, 2010 3:47 PM
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Its amazing how whether he has just had the ball stripped or intercepted and returned for a TD or he is just sitting on the bench between series... Its the same indifferent look.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 22, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"sign Marcus Mcneil(SD), or JBrown(NO) start either guy at LT
Draft Okung, start him at RT(1st round)
Draft VDucasse, start him at RG(2nd round)"

Good stuff, BeantownGreg1. I highly doubt the Chargers let McNeill out of town, but if Bruce Almighty could pull off this trifecta, he's executive of the year.

Posted by: DC2Dallas | February 22, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

ED WANG being "exposed"...

Posted by: glawrence007

Funny for so many reasons.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 22, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm willing to bet LT gets picked up by Dallas.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | February 22, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Colt is the best QB on this team.....hands down!

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 22, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

How do you know this?

It can't be from anything you've seen him do on an NFL level.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | February 22, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

ED WANG being "exposed"...

Posted by: glawrence007

Funny for so many reasons.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 22, 2010 4:16 PM
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Sorta like the headline I saw today..

"Customers stand behind Toyota"

haha.. risk your life if you stand in front.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 22, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Classic Lisa response!

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 22, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Jerry Jones would love to have LT as a Cowboy. Plus, tons of trade opportunities for Choice, Jones, or Barber.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | February 22, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

This goes to the people who say JC17 is our best option at QB.

How did we know Fred Davis was any good until he started?

Also there had to be someone on the team who returns punts better than ARE. But how could we find out?

Zorn had this fear of starting or playing young players, Colt is the best QB on this team.....hands down!

He just needs the chance to play, and Shanny will give it to him.

Posted by: iH8dallas

ih8, you can't compare the Cooley/Davis situation with Campbell and Brennan.

Fred Davis = 2nd round pick
Brennan = 6th round pick

And before you go all 'Tom Brady' on me, please name at least five QBs who have carved out HOF careers that were drafted in round four on down.

Brennan is now where near better than Campbell.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 22, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

How do you know this?

It can't be from anything you've seen him do on an NFL level.


Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | February 22, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

It's exactly the same situation as Fred Davis. See, it's not like one of them was considered the best in the draft at their position and barely slipped to the second round while the other got the crap kicked out of him playing his first and only game against a legitmate defense and nearly went undrafted. There's just no way to tell with these college kids these days!!!

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 22, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Dallas already has 2, maybe 3 RB's on their roster who are better than Tomlinson at this point. The guy is done.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | February 22, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

How do you know this?

It can't be from anything you've seen him do on an NFL level.


Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | February 22, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse
How do I NOT know this? That's the question.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 22, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

SD has a choice, either McNeil, or Vincent Jackson gets the tag, same with NO, either Bushrod, or Brown, gets the tag. Some cats will be available....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 22, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Lavy Coles....

Posted by: RedDMV | February 22, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Colt is the best QB on this team.....hands down!

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 22, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

How do you know this?

It can't be from anything you've seen him do on an NFL level.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | February 22, 2010 4:18 PM
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Good point..Colt has only played in the preseason.. but, he did show he has the read and release speed expected of an NFL QB.

Not the wind-up, double pump, one-read, "lose mechanics" "freak out" choke in the last 5 minutes of a game...that has JC ranked near last in the History of the NFL for TD percentage efficiency.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 22, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

The difference is this, you Colt hating retards.....At Hawaii he was great on a bad team. Do you really think that the o-line from Hawaii stood a chance against the D-line from Georgia?

And yes comparing the Cooley/Davis thing is the same. Davis was the best TE in college coming out, Brennan was in the running for the Heisman trophy.

He only holds like every college passing record, so the guy must be garbage, right?

If Colt had played at Oklahoma or Texas or LSU he would have been a 1st round QB.

Seriously some of you need to open your eyes.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 22, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

SD has a choice, either McNeil, or Vincent Jackson gets the tag, same with NO, either Bushrod, or Brown, gets the tag. Some cats will be available....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 22, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I think they are all RFAs except Jackson. If NO tags bushrod and tenders Brown then some team will outbid us for Brown. I could see the Packers or someone else that's just missing a piece or two outbid us. I'd be surpised if NO let one of them walk for nothing. I doubt SD will let McNiell walk for nothing either. If they do then we need to be on that asap though.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 22, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I don't know about you, but I was not impressed with Tiger Woods' TV appearance and my opinion of him has not changed. I had no probs with the way it started off but at some point soon after it began it had to start jumping and it didn't. It had to start moving into this kind of scenario:

After a few minutes he begins to breathe heavily and he starts to stumble over words, barely able to get them out. Especially when he gets to the part about how he let down all those kids who had looked up to him as a role model. Tears start streaming down his face. He begins to tremble and finally he drops to his knees, eyes closed as if he were in some kind of trance, raises his arms beseechingly upward and shouts "Forgive me Lord for I have sinned and am unworthy". He flops to the ground and knocks the lectern over on top of himself. His wife Elin rushes to his side, pushes the lectern off of him and kneels down and cradles him lovingly in her arms. She yells "someone call 911!" Pandemonium breaks loose as others come to Woods' aid. The picture on the TV screen switches from a crowd gathered around Woods to a stunned Matt Lauer in the remote studio.

Something like that would have been much better than what actually happened, which came across as some fifth-grader reading a book report he had written.

Posted by: BankerVance | February 22, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

"You are right, 1 more year of watching that buffoon under center is too much too take."

Only for the buffoons more concerned with whether or not their QB's mouth is "hanging open" rather than what's actually being done on the field.

Give 'em that "passion", Colt. It's the only thing your final few cult fanatics have to grasp you with.

Posted by: psps23 | February 22, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

And before you go all 'Tom Brady' on me, please name at least five QBs who have carved out HOF careers that were drafted in round four on down.

Brennan is now where near better than Campbell.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 22, 2010 4:22 PM

1. Brady
2. Kurt Warner
3. Warren Moon
4. Norm Van Brocklin
5. George Blanda
6. Johnny Unitas
7. BArt Starr
8. Sonny J
9. Roger Starbauch


Next Question....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 22, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

How's thsi for a half-time show? Beyonce sings a solo. Pink sings a solo. Rihanna sings a solo. Then they all three sing together as a closer with them ultimately wrestling it out in a big swimming pool filled with jello...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 22, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Zorn had this fear of starting or playing young players, Colt is the best QB on this team ... hands down!

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 22, 2010 4:11 PM

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence and the backup QB is always the most popular guy in town.

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Skip the singing and go straight to the jello.

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

And before you go all 'Tom Brady' on me, please name at least five QBs who have carved out HOF careers that were drafted in round four on down.

Brennan is now where near better than Campbell.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 22, 2010 4:22 PM

1. Brady
2. Kurt Warner
3. Warren Moon
4. Norm Van Brocklin
5. George Blanda
6. Johnny Unitas
7. BArt Starr
8. Sonny J
9. Roger Starbauch


Next Question....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 22, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! A zinger

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 22, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

What a lot of you guys who say trade for 2011 picks don't undersand is if there is no CBA signed in March 2011 there will be no 2011 draft so teams will be crazy to trade for picks they don't even know if they will get.

Posted by: mlewis1 | February 22, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence and the backup QB is always the most popular guy in town.

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Are you out of cliches?

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 22, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

red, 4th just straight up owned your azz....who's the bama now??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 22, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

"He could always throw for distance, but he was never particularly accurate. He still isn't. Posted by: Samson151 | February 22, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse
"He always threw wounded ducks before but now it's a catchable ball with a decent spiral and due to the defense trying to stop the run the receivers are wide open so he doesn't have to squeeze the ball into a window. His accuracy isn't that big of a deal now because the scheme has been adjusted to minmize the effect. They run and run until you get too close then they pass it over your head. His average is now over 7 yards per completion. Since the receivers are wide open he can just loft it up and let the receiver run under it. He isn't and doesn't have to hit the receiver in stride.Posted by: PAskinsfan17"

Sounds like you're saying he was never particularly accurate, and he still isn't.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 22, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

He only holds like every college passing record, so the guy must be garbage, right?

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 22, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Timmy Chang also got a bunch of NCAA records when he was at Hawaii.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | February 22, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

If Colt had played at Oklahoma or Texas or LSU he would have been a 1st round QB.

Seriously some of you need to open your eyes.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 22, 2010 4:30 PM

I don't get this. Are you saying that to be considered a quality QB a player has to come from a major college program? Are you suggesting that the records Colt put up in college because of the offense he was in should be the major determinate in projecting his NFL potential. Give me a break. Colt has been in the league for two years, the only thing he's shown is that he can't stay healthy. Let's see that out of him before you make him the next Tom Brady.

Posted by: TWISI | February 22, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Chargers cut LT. When will we cut the guy on our roster with less left in his tank, a malcontent, a weaker resume, and a bigger and more ridiculous contract.

Bye CP.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

And before you go all 'Tom Brady' on me, please name at least five QBs who have carved out HOF careers that were drafted in round four on down.

Brennan is now where near better than Campbell.

Posted by: RedDMV


You have no idea what Colt could do! You haven't seen him play except for the pre-season and he was injured. He played really well his first pre-season before he got injured, I say he can play. Let's see and I bet he proves you wrong "RED"!

And Lisa knows what???

Posted by: poni66 | February 22, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

He only holds like every college passing record, so the guy must be garbage, right?

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 22, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Timmy Chang also got a bunch of NCAA records when he was at Hawaii.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | February 22, 2010 4:42 PM

Yeah...but June Jones, or whatever his name is, wasn't hyping Timmy Chang up like he was doing to Colt....He was telling everyone he could play in the NFL....And most of know that Jones use to be a NFL HC...he wasn't too shabby either...

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 22, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmmmm.....let me see there Mr. Selective reader, did I say you had to come from a big program to be a quality QB? NO.

Did I compare Colt Brennan to Tom Brady?......NO.

Did I say Colt Brennan was the best QB on this team? YES.

If you can find anywhere in my postings anything about Tom Brady, or a player who doesn't play for the Redskins , please show me.

Otherwise don't be a jerk and try to use something I did not say against me.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 22, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2010 4:45 PM

From reading Bruce Allen's comments today in other publications, it seems like the Skins will be moving slowly when it comes to releasing players. They want to give the coaches an opportunity to meet and work with them, see how they fit what Shanny and Hasslett want to do and go from there.

Posted by: TWISI | February 22, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

"I don't get this. Are you saying that to be considered a quality QB a player has to come from a major college program?"

I think he's saying to be a first round QB you have to come from a major college program.

Which doesn't make his claim any less ill-informed, considering Joe Flacco, Big Ben, Byron Leftwich, Alex Smith, and David Carr were all 1st rounders from mid-small school programs.

Posted by: psps23 | February 22, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

"PFT is hearing that while the coaching staff of the Redskins might say they like what they have at QB, it might not be the qb you're thinking of. Coach Shanahan is said to be enamored over the potential of Colt Brennan, and is giving serious consideration to naming him as the starter PRIOR to going to training camp. Stay tuned".....wow...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 22, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

He only holds like every college passing record, so the guy must be garbage, right?

If Colt had played at Oklahoma or Texas or LSU he would have been a 1st round QB.

Seriously some of you need to open your eyes.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 22, 2010 4:30 PM

1. He holds more than thirty QB records ... for D-1 schools.

2. He was a walk-on at Colorado, where he spent a year as a redshirt, before he got expelled ... in his freshman season.

3. I openend my eyes this past preseason, when unlike the previous preseason, he wasn't quite lighting up the second halfs.

I don't hate the guy. He's probably more than adequate depth, but he is not the anointed one. My preference would be a straight up swap with Baltimore for Troy Smith, so that Zorn COULD have the HIS anointed one (Brennan was Zorn's freebie pick) and Skins could get a Heisman trophy winning athlete to replace Randel El as a receiver.

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

If Colt had played at Oklahoma or Texas or LSU he would have been a 1st round QB.

Seriously some of you need to open your eyes.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 22, 2010 4:30 PM

You are losing creditability with each post. You should familiarize yourself with what you’re talking about. He had ZERO offers from any major programs. He walked on at Colorado and was kicked off the team. He rebounded from his problems and put up crazy numbers at Hawaii, much like Timmy Chang.

He’s done nothing and had a decent preseason in 08 followed by a dismal preseason in 09. He was stashed on the IR by Vinny, 31 other GMs would have cut him.

He will be lucky to make the 53 man roster this year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Otherwise don't be a jerk and try to use something I did not say against me.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 22, 2010 4:49 PM

If Colt had played at Oklahoma or Texas or LSU he would have been a 1st round QB.

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Is this not you? What were you saying here? Look Colt got drafted where he did, because of his limitations on and off the field. He has some talent, but to say he's the best QB on the roster and he hasn't had a meaningful rep ever; nor has he had a meaning throw in the NFL since last preseason is pure silliness. That said, I'd be interested to see him develop, but unlike you I'm not buying the hype his college career suggests because it was an illusion.

Posted by: TWISI | February 22, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

You are losing creditability with each post

.....
Thanks Diesel, your spelling gets better with each post.

Cadillac and Ronnie Brown made JC17 a good college QB.

What did Colt have?

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 22, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Chargers cut LT. When will we cut the guy on our roster with less left in his tank, a malcontent, a weaker resume, and a bigger and more ridiculous contract.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2010 4:45 PM

The day before their March bonuses come due.

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

"PFT is hearing that while the coaching staff of the Redskins might say they like what they have at QB, it might not be the qb you're thinking of. Coach Shanahan is said to be enamored over the potential of Colt Brennan, and is giving serious consideration to naming him as the starter PRIOR to going to training camp. Stay tuned".....wow...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 22, 2010 4:51 PM
====================
Beantown... you're starting to grow on me..

like chlamydia..


Hey...got to love the recent two hour NESN LIVE feed from Ft Meyers of "Red Sox Fungo Practice"..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 22, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

What did Colt have?

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 22, 2010 4:57 PM

An NCAA D-1 conference.

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Cadillac and Ronnie Brown made JC17 a good college QB.

What did Colt have?

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 22, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Do you mean other than weak competition and a great system?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | February 22, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

You are losing creditability with each post

.....
Thanks Diesel, your spelling gets better with each post.

Cadillac and Ronnie Brown made JC17 a good college QB.

What did Colt have?

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 22, 2010 4:57 PM

I don't spell check, I don't re-read my posts. I just fire off the truth. I did re-read my last post and maybe you should as well.

JC is the QB next year, and next year only. The OL needs an upgrade at 4 out 5 positions and that should be the focus. Draft QB next year.

Instead of judging my occasional spelling or grammatical error maybe you should focus on what I'm typing. Your JC argument sounds familiar as well, kind of like the time I rattled off the 10-12 NFL players from his Auburn team.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Cadillac and Ronnie Brown made JC17 a good college QB.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 22, 2010 4:57 PM

Marcus McNeil and Ben Grubbs helped out a little too.

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

...with the pressure to turn things around and only 5 draft picks I think its pretty naive to think we hired Allen and Shanny to preside over a slow rebuilding project.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 22, 2010 12:51 PM


Again...this thing ain't getting rebuilt in one offseason. I would think that the goal, first and foremost, would be to get competitive this year. If you can hang tough in the NFC East again, that's the first and most important step. If they can do that in '10, that's a win.

So I never said anything about a "slow rebuilding project". I don't think there's anything slow about blowing out all the old guys with big salaries this year while there's no salary cap hit to worry about and replacing them with younger, cheaper options. If Shanahan is the coach we think he is, that should turn things around in the next 2 or 3 years.

I just think the assumption that a team that went 4-12 on the easiest schedule in recent memory instantly going 10-6 with a tough schedule simply because Shanahan showed up is a bit over-confident at best, completely nuts at worst.

Shanny is here for 5 years (contractually, at least). I don't think it's "slow" to expect him to take at least half that long to get things to where they need to be. It's a typical Snyder panic move to go out and blow cash on FAs, instead of patiently building this thing right. Trying to take shortcuts is what keeps this team in the 6 to 8 win range. A calculated housecleaning is what will position this team for the future, not a free agent spending spree.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 22, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence and the backup QB is always the most popular guy in town.

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2010 4:36 PM

Cliches aside, sometimes the grass is actually greener. Was the grass greener behind Jay Schraeder? How about Theisman behind an aging Kilmer? Campbell was (marginally) greener than aged Brunell. The backups may not have been better but they really could not have been worse than Jeff George or Danny Woeful. Point is, sometimes the backup guy works out ok but you never know till you try them.

Posted by: amaranthpa | February 22, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

hello hello again....redskins maniac live from the deep south.

first to say that synder signs LT to a three year deal NLT the end of the week.

portis still needs to go!

Posted by: httr20081 | February 22, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

...NFL commish.. with tha fourth pick in the NFL draft tha Washington Redskins select Sam Bradford out of tha University of Oklahoma...Smile..shake hands with tha commish..take a nice photo with Skins hat...AND SAY GOODBYE TO CAMPBELL...THE CROWD GOES WILD..YEA!!!!!!!!

Posted by: taylormade218 | February 22, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Bring in LT. Him and Portis would be a great back field. Mcneil @tackle . Keep rabach draft okung keep Mike williams, Dock and bring back Jansen we have the receivers and tight neds. Folks we have a good nucleaus we are just a couple players short. Vick would be nice but I would rather have Mccoy from Texas. Take him in the second round. Lets give big Al a shot and groom another interior d lineman. Like to keep goldston he is good along with Chris Wilson. Rocky Mcintosh deserves a good payday. Send Rogers packing all talk no action bring in sharper we need a swagger like our boy Taylor had(RIP).We need Colt to step up at backup maybe givem a chance he is a Shanny Type Quarterback

Posted by: bert3 | February 22, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

any skins fans who thinks campbell going to lead us to the promise land..well I hate to say it but the dude sucks. Shanny going to want a gun slinger and campbell dont like to throw the ball...

Posted by: taylormade218 | February 22, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

JC17 simply does not have leadership skills.Portis said it, Cooley implied it and all of us fans know it.

Colt should be the QB of this team.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 22, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

JC is the QB next year, and next year only. The OL needs an upgrade at 4 out 5 positions and that should be the focus. Draft QB next year.
Posted by: Diesel44
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So your saying the Skins will go to Campbell and say "Jason look we only want you for one year so no long term contract, no big payout. We just want you to learn a new system again and get the crap beat out of you this year while we rebuild the offense line. Then in 2011 when the OL is fixed we will draft our new QB, give him a long term contract and a boatload of money and kick your butt out of here." And you think Campbell will say.. "Sounds good were do I sign."?????

Posted by: sovine08 | February 22, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Bring in LT. Him and Portis would be a great back field. Mcneil @tackle . Keep rabach draft okung keep Mike williams, Dock and bring back Jansen we have the receivers and tight neds. Folks we have a good nucleaus we are just a couple players short. Vick would be nice but I would rather have Mccoy from Texas. Take him in the second round. Lets give big Al a shot and groom another interior d lineman. Like to keep goldston he is good along with Chris Wilson. Rocky Mcintosh deserves a good payday. Send Rogers packing all talk no action bring in sharper we need a swagger like our boy Taylor had(RIP).We need Colt to step up at backup maybe givem a chance he is a Shanny Type Quarterback

Posted by: bert3 | February 22, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I like everything but McCoy and colt being a backup. Also, I dont know if I would send CR packing yet..and sharper not coming here...

Posted by: taylormade218 | February 22, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

JC is the QB next year, and next year only. The OL needs an upgrade at 4 out 5 positions and that should be the focus. Draft QB next year.
Posted by: Diesel44
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So your saying the Skins will go to Campbell and say "Jason look we only want you for one year so no long term contract, no big payout. We just want you to learn a new system again and get the crap beat out of you this year while we rebuild the offense line. Then in 2011 when the OL is fixed we will draft our new QB, give him a long term contract and a boatload of money and kick your butt out of here." And you think Campbell will say.. "Sounds good were do I sign."?????

Posted by: sovine08 | February 22, 2010 5:32 PM

The skins only have to tender JC because he is a RFA. That is essentially a 1 yr contract between 1.5 mil to 3.2 mil depending on the tender level offered. Campbell doesn't control his own destiny.

This is covered in football 201.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

I would also have no problem with McCoy in the 2nd round. The first priority is fixing the O-line.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 22, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

FS Darren Sharper will become an UFA.

We need to jump on that. Move Laron back to SS.

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

They'd be better off signing Peppers than letting Campbell go. They can pick up another veteran if they determine that Todd isn't what they need to step in right away. Colt is still there now he has to learn to impress a new set of bosses.

Posted by: periculum | February 22, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Take Bradford at #4. Allen/Shanahan can rebuild the o-line thru trades, free agency and the draft.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 22, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

FS Darren Sharper will become an UFA.

We need to jump on that. Move Laron back to SS.

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I agree. I think Sharper would be fine here.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 22, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

You have no idea what Colt could do! You haven't seen him play except for the pre-season and he was injured. He played really well his first pre-season before he got injured, I say he can play. Let's see and I bet he proves you wrong "RED"!

And Lisa knows what???

Posted by: poni66

I know Colt got injured and was done before the season started. Not his first major injury and its not like the guy has played against starting quality NFL linemen.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

I really don't see why this team can't be in the Wild Card hunt this season. Yes, we only have five draft picks, and some ability in FA, but done well, the tide should rise and raise all ships (O,D & ST being the ships here...)

Okung at #1 already improves the O line. FA's at Guard and Center have already been added (perhaps for depth...) Project Okung to start opening day (like Samuels did...)

Adding a Shut down style CB with the #2 pick (a Perrish Cox type) plugs a big hole there, and gives you D Hall, Kevin Barnes, Perrish Cox, Tryone, Rogers and Smoot if they is still around. I think Smoot tries his hand at FS to keep a vet around, which moves Landry to SS and three positions may have just gotten corrected. HOW MANY GAMES did we DIRECTLY lose in the closing moments because LL was out of position and Rogers screwed up? Barnes should step up this year. Project Cox to push into the starting line-up in October after situational play.

In the fourth round grab the best OT or C/G on the board. Maybe somebody like Adam Ulatoski or Marshal Newhouse. They won't start right away, but could be in by Oct/Nov. In the mean time, a well placed FA fills in here nicely.

Our young WR's will be in there 3rd year. Time for them to BREAK OUT. Saw it with Davis, DT was coming on strong at the end, and M Kelley showed a lot in that last game.

This leads us the Shannahan. Consider how much better an offensive scheme we will be putting on the field this year, with a hugely improved O line, a receiving corps that is ready to burst and a veteeran QB who may actually have some time to throw and some running lanes for our RB. Add to that Shaanny's superior game management, and a D that may actually attack a little. Why can't we do this?

Not saying Superbowl here, but why can't this team be in the hunt? Just gotta play our cards well, that's all. No crazy trades, no expectation of moving back, no wild scenarios. Just good football management and strategy.

Tee it up and kick it. Play hard.

Posted by: edvar | February 22, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

FS Darren Sharper will become an UFA.

We need to jump on that. Move Laron back to SS.

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I agree. I think Sharper would be fine here.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 22, 2010 6:17 PM

I'll pass, He is 34. Still playing at a high level but by the time we are competitive again, he will have retired.

I think UFAs like Jermaine Phillips, Sean Jones, or Will Allen who are 5-7 years younger would be a better long-term move.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

The skins only have to tender JC because he is a RFA. That is essentially a 1 yr contract between 1.5 mil to 3.2 mil depending on the tender level offered. Campbell doesn't control his own destiny.
This is covered in football 201.
Posted by: Diesel44
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Yeah so let's low ball Campbell so he's pissed off. Nothing like starting a season with a disgruntled QB. Like that's so much better than giving Colt the ball.. a QB who would be excited about getting a chance...

Posted by: sovine08 | February 22, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

I know Colt got injured and was done before the season started. Not his first major injury and its not like the guy has played against starting quality NFL linemen.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 6:35 PM

That's what I say. Let Colt get healthy, make it through a whole season. Let him get coached up for 2 years and then he'll have a fair opportunity to succeed in the NFL. To suggest that a player who hasn't practices since last August, was mechanically flawed coming out of college; and who is stepping up in competition in pros is ready to lead this team is nonsense.

Posted by: TWISI | February 22, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Take Bradford at #4. Allen/Shanahan can rebuild the o-line thru trades, free agency and the draft.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 22, 2010 6:09 PM

I'm wondering if you could elaborate on the types of trades, FAs, and potential draftees that you believe could rebuild the OL.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Wow, didn't take long for the "sign LT" and "sign Sharper" crowd to come out...

I say 'no' to both. This team needs to get younger in a hurry. At a time when we're supposed to be dumping the old, expensive players, I'm hearing some here trying to add more. Seriously??? I know the Danny/Vinny way of doing things has tainted us all, but damn...

LT is done. He's nothing more than a 3rd down back at this point and he's not worth it for this team. I could see him fitting in well with the Colts or the Saints (if Reggie Bush isn't back). NOT in D.C.

Sharper is a solid FS that can still be a game changer in the right system. I'd take a chance on him if this team were only a player or two away from contending, but paying him the kind of money it would take to get him here isn't worth it when you're a team rebuilding.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 22, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

I know Colt got injured and was done before the season started. Not his first major injury and its not like the guy has played against starting quality NFL linemen.
Posted by: zcezcest1
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Look Colt had great college numbers and his first preseason he had better numbers than every other rookie QB out there including Ryan and Flacco. And yeah he hasn't played against starting quality DL men.. well guess what ALL QB's start out that way. And you don't know till they get a chance to play. What we do know is Campbell has had 5 years and has NOT been successful. I'll take an unknown over a proven failure everytime.

Posted by: sovine08 | February 22, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

The skins only have to tender JC because he is a RFA. That is essentially a 1 yr contract between 1.5 mil to 3.2 mil depending on the tender level offered. Campbell doesn't control his own destiny.
This is covered in football 201.
Posted by: Diesel44
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Yeah so let's low ball Campbell so he's pissed off. Nothing like starting a season with a disgruntled QB. Like that's so much better than giving Colt the ball.. a QB who would be excited about getting a chance...


Posted by: sovine08 | February 22, 2010 6:37 PM


Right, because the first thing we all look for in a starting QB is whether he's "excited about getting a chance"...Jim Zorn was "excited about getting a chance" to be HC and we all know how that turned out...

I'm not sure what you're not understanding about JC's contract, but he's a RESTRICTED FA...meaning the only way he leaves is if the Redskins completely ignore him. If he's tendered, he stays. He's contracted to do so. No lowballing or overpaying, it's set in stone what his salary will be. If he doesn't like that, he's sh*t outta luck.

And what some of the JC haters are sleeping on is that JC is a competitor (as is EVERY NFL starter). He's not gonna look at this as "oh, they're gonna beat me up for a year for some rookie to come in and take my job later", he's gonna say "I've got a full season to show Coach Shanahan that I'm his man". He'll probably be wrong, but the point is he's been the consumate professional to this point and there's no reason to believe that'll change this offseason.

But then again, that's dealing in reason and reality...probably not your cup of tea.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 22, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Yeah so let's low ball Campbell so he's pissed off. Nothing like starting a season with a disgruntled QB. Like that's so much better than giving Colt the ball.. a QB who would be excited about getting a chance...


Posted by: sovine08 | February 22, 2010 6:37 PM

Maybe I shouldn't have assumed that you passed football 101.

Football is a business, and a RESTRICTED FREE AGENT's rights are controlled by the team. He will be tendered at a salary of 1.5 mil to 3.1 mil. He will either be traded (30% chance) or he will be here next year (70% chance). Colt has a 50/50 chance of making the team.

I’m not pro Campbell or anti Campbell. This team needs a 1 year stop gap QB while more pressing needs (OL) are met. This team is definitely in the market for a QB, it’s just that the 4th overall pick is too high for either Bradford or Clausen…just too many red flags. I like LeFevour but we currently don't have a 3rd and the 2nd is too high. Rebuild the line this year and focus on a QB next year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Darren Sharper is a stop-gap for us at FS when we can't afford to waste a draft pick on the position. I also think he is a valuable leader, could teach our young safeties(and they are young)a thing or two, and he's playing at a high level.

LT does not fill a need. Sharper does.

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Look Colt had great college numbers and his first preseason he had better numbers than every other rookie QB out there including Ryan and Flacco.

Posted by: sovine08 | February 22, 2010 6:46 PM |

i'm pretty sure Ryan and Flacco were playing against players who had a legitimate shot of making an NFL, not an NFL practice squad team. When Colt faced similar competition this offseason he faltered mentally with his reads and physically with his footwork.

Posted by: TWISI | February 22, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/landing_09/?blockID=184039&feedID=2992

“We want to give an opportunity to everyone who is now a Redskin to be a Redskin in the future,” said [Bruce] Allen.

When asked if the team would draft for need or take the best player available, Allen indicated that they would favor the latter.

“We’re going to go for the best Redskins player. I know that sounds a bit clichéd, but it’s the direction we’re going to go,” he said.

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

To me, each team has about 30 guys who are key. 22 starters plus key players who get lots of playing time as backups or fill a special roll. A nickel back. 2 rotation DL. A 3rd WR. A 2nd RB. Backup QB, 2-3 special team specialists.

Going into 2009, these were the top 30 (go ahead and quibble, but I think most would agree with most of this).

OL: Samuels, R Thomas, Rabach, Heyer, Dockery

Offense: Campbell, Collins, Portis, Cooley (Davis), Moss, ARE, D Thomas, Betts, Sellers.

DL: Carter, Albert, Griffin, Daniels, Golston, Alexander (?)

LB: Fletcher, Orakpo, Rocky

DB: Rogers, Hall, Landry, Doughty, Smoot

Specialists: Suisham (Gano), Smith and Rock

The question for Shanahan, as he looks a this years draft, is simple. Of these 30 (actually 32) guys, who does he see out of here in 2 years. Once he's identified those guys, the next step is to determine if he's got a guy in house who he thinks could step into the role.

My take on who won't be with this team at the start of the 2012 season are:

Samuels, R Thomas, Fletcher, Smoot, Rock, Collins, Griffin, Daniels, Portis, Betts, Sellers.

Which means he needs to draft, get a FA or have someone in house step up into these 11 slots.

Among those that I'd consider significant chance of being gone:
Campbell, Rabach, Heyer, Moss, ARE, Carter.

That's another 6 slots to fill.

Shanahan has his hands full, but I'd prioritize getting the first 11 names replaced over replacement for the next 6, unless the replacement is in house.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Vicc-

No.

1. Why would Sharper come here?
2. Why would we pay him his freight?
3. Phillips, Jones, & Allen are younger and cheaper.
4. Snyder no longer has a voice in personnel decisions
5. They should be cutting players 30+ yrs and older, not signing them.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

The Saints signed him to a one year deal and it worked great for them, Diesel44.

Sure he doesn't have long term appeal, but think of it like your Jason Campbell/1 year stop gap. Next year we can address the FS position in the draft.

It's an uncapped year, so a one year deal similar to New Orleans, would not hurt us in the long run. He would sure help immediately.

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

I know Colt got injured and was done before the season started. Not his first major injury and its not like the guy has played against starting quality NFL linemen.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 6:35 PM

That's what I say. Let Colt get healthy, make it through a whole season. Let him get coached up for 2 years and then he'll have a fair opportunity to succeed in the NFL. To suggest that a player who hasn't practices since last August, was mechanically flawed coming out of college; and who is stepping up in competition in pros is ready to lead this team is nonsense.

Posted by: TWISI

Thing is, Colt has trouble making it through preseason. We're talking a few quarters of playing against 3rd string guys. Not 30-50 sacks (and lots more hits).

There are aspects to Colt's game I like and I'm not bothered even one tiny bit about his throwing motion. But he's had 2 major hip surgeries already, and that's not a good sign.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

"Herego, we keep him unless someone is willing to offer a 1st and 3rd. (unlikely).
Posted by: Rypien11"

Herego?

Posted by: Samson151 | February 22, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

The Saints signed him to a one year deal and it worked great for them, Diesel44.

Sure he doesn't have long term appeal, but think of it like your Jason Campbell/1 year stop gap. Next year we can address the FS position in the draft.

It's an uncapped year, so a one year deal similar to New Orleans, would not hurt us in the long run. He would sure help immediately.

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 7:18 PM

Vicc- except JC is already in house and would be a very cheap stop gap. If we were say the Colts, I would sign him tomorrow.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

"If Colt had played at Oklahoma or Texas or LSU he would have been a 1st round QB."

This is one of those 'could-shoulda' arguments. Colt Brennan played in one of the most QB-friendly offensive schemes ever developed by anybody anywhere. It's not a scheme that in the past has produced a lot of accomplished NFL QBs. Think Timmy Chang.

Colt carries his strengths (quick release, gunslinger mentality) and his weaknesses (sidearm delivery, not much arm) out where everybody can see them. He had a legit shot last preseason and instead wound up fighting for the number three job with Chase Daniel. Whether he develops this preseason is what we're all waiting to see. The Skins starter? You better hope not.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 22, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

If we were say the Colts, I would sign him tomorrow.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2010 7:33 PM


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Yea. aNy contender looking for a playmaker on defense should be looking at Sharper.

It sux that we can't talk about trading outta the 4th pick in the second round yet. No way of knowing who's gonna be there, but with first round talent oozing into the 2nd round, I think that could be a spot to trade out of.

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

didnt Allen just get arrested for DUI ??

and if Philly cant use Jones after 1 year, what makes you think we could make anything out of him ?

phillips ?? meh.. prefer to sign ryan clark who was a steadying influence on sean taylor while he was here.. let's see what he can do with landry at SS

Posted by: shally | February 22, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: shally | February 22, 2010 7:47 PM

Wrong Will Allen. TB's safety, not the Fin's CB.

Sean Jones only signed a 1 yr deal with the Eagles.

Ryan Clark is 30. He is a guy that should have never had been allowed to leave, but again we need to get younger.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

z said: Shanahan has his hands full, but I'd prioritize getting the first 11 names replaced over replacement for the next 6, unless the replacement is in house.

Diesel44 said:
5. They should be cutting players 30+ yrs and older, not signing them.

It will take more than 1 year to install Shanahan's system just as it did when Gibbs first came.
Yes. Only sign over 35 ***rare*** exceptions ... in other words a Darrel Green at age 35 was like almost every other corner at 25.

Posted by: periculum | February 22, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Ooops meant to say over 30+ ... agree with Diesel44

Posted by: periculum | February 22, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Not sure why people are pissing and moaning about what Reid said.

This roster cannot be remade in one offseason.

What we need to focus on and prioritize is remaking the Oline. Period. We can do that in one offseason. But many of our starters are garbage and our "backups" were punchlines. If we can remake that unit I would consider it a successful offseason.

But no matter what happens we are going to suck at QB. Period. And I think that means we are going to be lucky to win 8 games.

If we start Campbell, he's going to suck. He always sucks when he's learning a new offense (not that he's all that fabulous even if he knows the offense).

If we draft and start a rookie, he's going to suck.

If we haul in some Shanny ex-backups like Grossman, Carr or Ramsey; then the problem is that those guys aren't very good.

Not to mention our receivers are going to have to learn a new offense - and that means Devin Thomas gets set back a couple years.

Posted by: p1funk | February 22, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

p1funk,
Shanahan's offense is just a different flavor of the WCO Zorn was selling. It shouldn't take Campbell or the receivers too long to pick it up. I agree with you that the o-line should be priority one, but there's not such a learning curve on offense, and the defense is just about set. I'm not talking Super Bowl next year, but the team should be able to break .500.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 22, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

these idiots that are calling for brennan are mainly white like brennan, I have seen brennan 2-3 times he has a mediocre arm, avg athletic mobility, he is weak and can't take a hit and throws side armed alot and off of his back foot add on the injury prone factor you have the second coming of(alot less money) heath shuler(now a crooked politician).

Posted by: wathu19 | February 22, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

these idiots that are calling for brennan are mainly white like brennan

Posted by: wathu19 | February 22, 2010 8:27 PM

Not sure being white has anything to do with being an idiot or calling for Brennan.

I'm caucasion and my wife calls me an idiot and I would bet that it's a coin flip whether Colt makes the team this year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Remember in Portis' interview, the NFL Network crew featuring Neon Deon--Mr. Primetime--asked the Redskins running back what Shanamans offense will bring.

Portis replied along the lines of a re dedication to play-action; probably more bootlegs.

Campbell should work well in bootlegs. As he rolls out, on his fifth step if he hasn't found his target, take off and run. And learn to slide, ol' clumsy mofo. *chuckle*

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Lt still has alot left in the tank so does portis. they were shut down this year. Sharper is a winner and a leader that we need on defense. Fletch can call the plays but we need someone to get smoot and landry placed right. Barnes will be good with the right mentor. Shanny can put the pieces together I just think he can't judge talent coming out of college. everything i read said he spent alot of time at colleges studying talent of players one of his weaknesses in Denver. I hope he can find some steals in the later rounds like he did with TD. It is going to be interesting.

Posted by: bert3 | February 22, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell should take dancing lessons.

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Its going to take at least 2 years to turn this franchise around. Might as well face it now as opposed to getting all lathered up come late summer. Not only are they going to have to replace the battered injured (as well as the deadwood), they will have even more players who will reach the end of their playing days after next season.

Its going to be a tough road. And it shouldn't begin at quarter back ... not with the choices they have in the draft this year. Next year looks better for that ...

Best thing to do is to make deals to accumulate draft picks both this year and next year ... and yes, swallow, accept next only year's picks knowing that this will not be a good year W/L wise. Everyone on the team has to be considered expendable in this capacity. Two last place finishes in the NFC East pretty much guarantee it.

Posted by: periculum | February 22, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

And learn to slide, ol' clumsy mofo. *chuckle*

Posted by: Vicc

that's funny, mostly because its true.

Saw Penn and Teller a bunch of years ago in SF. They had a gorilla head on stage. Called the gorilla MoFo. Funny sounding name for the kids, funny in a different way for adults. Gotta say, they put on a phenomenal show.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIja0yValiE

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Rotfrau, can you teach me how to make a sauerkraut sandnich? lol

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

these idiots that are calling for brennan are mainly white like brennan, I have seen brennan 2-3 times he has a mediocre arm, avg athletic mobility, he is weak and can't take a hit and throws side armed alot and off of his back foot add on the injury prone factor you have the second coming of(alot less money) heath shuler(now a crooked politician).

Posted by: wathu19

slimeball-u r a racist f%ck! probably a fringe Tea bagger too. you are delusional and you all would be singing a different tune if Colt succeeds and plays well for the Skins

People like you make me sick. I hope Brennan plays well and shuts up idiots like you!

Posted by: poni66 | February 22, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: poni66 | February 22, 2010 9:21 PM

poni- Nobody is rooting against Colt. I hope he ends up being half as good as you believe he is.

Bottom line is that he hasn't done anything to even earn a roster spot and yet you’re screaming for him to be the starter.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 22, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm not one who buys the multi-year turnaround requirement. This team is limited by its OL, nothing else.

The Skins were outscored by about 70 points on the year, about 60 of those were in the 1st quarter. You can change that just by warming up better/smarter.

Plus, the difference between Zorn and Shanahan in preparation, understanding strengths and weaknesses, motivation, getting players to use their strengths -- worth 4 wins.

Until the OL is retooled, this team won't be great. But it can compete much better in 2010 -- and that includes the potential for playoffs (keeping in mind that often means 8-8 or 9-7). Though the 2010 schedule will be much tougher than 2009.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Yeah so let's low ball Campbell so he's pissed off. Nothing like starting a season with a disgruntled QB.

Man, I'd love to hear JC disgruntled.
Monty Python: "Jason, you're an offending little poof, a mincing
gay-bar loiterer, a winnet-covered walking perfume shop and an
evil perverter of innocent little boys!"
Jason: "Well, you know, I'm just tryin' to help the team...."

Posted by: daggar | February 22, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

"We want to evaluate our players first," Allen said in a recent phone interview. "Our coaches are doing a great job of going back and watching tape of our players. And not just watching the tape from the 2009 season but every snap a player has played with the Washington Redskins.

Good advice. I had to pinch myself when I read it, making sure I was awake. Not used to hearing stuff like this come out of the FO. Reading some of the posts on this blog you would think that posters have an advanced case of Snyderitis. They obsessively pour over ever UFA and RFA name and play elaborate what-if games in their minds about adding this dud or that one to the roster. Plus you have to keep in mind that Z never gave the youth of the team the chance they deserved to show what they could do. For instance, take Barn, drafted in the 3rd round in 2009. That's a little high to be drafting backup. So instead of going out and signing this UFA dud Rob the Skins should plan on how to get Barn and Try up to speed so they can be starters. Unfortunate as it is it looks like that 9th pick that the team used to get Rog in the 2005 draft is turning out to be a waste. That's an awfully high pick to blow on someone who turned into a rotten apple.

Posted by: BankerVance | February 22, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

You can change that just by warming up better/smarter.

So, the key to success is being smarter than Zorn? Wow, where can I sign up?
Every time I see his picture now, I think of "Send in the Clowns". And I hate "Send in the Clowns".

Posted by: daggar | February 22, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Until the OL is retooled, this team won't be great. But it can compete much better in 2010 -- and that includes the potential for playoffs (keeping in mind that often means 8-8 or 9-7). Though the 2010 schedule will be much tougher than 2009.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 22, 2010 9:51 PM |

I think that you are being optimistic about 2010 but hey that's what fans are supposed to, be optimistic.

Posted by: BankerVance | February 22, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

You can change that just by warming up better/smarter.

Posted by: daggar | February 22, 2010 9:59 PM |

Would shoving a red hot poker up the arse of someone whose initials might be CP constitute "warming up better/smarter"?

Posted by: BankerVance | February 22, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait til Clinton Portis becomes the Redskins all time leading rusher. He deserves it and will soon earn it.

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

my goodness: i see we still have colt brennan fans in town.

Posted by: dcjazzman | February 22, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44

I understand where you are coming from and i agree with you. I just hope that he will play as well I believe he will. At least I hope he gets a shot to try to start now that his surgeries have been a success. I think he will thrive in Shanny's system. I am a fan of the skins and really hope he does well.

Posted by: poni66 | February 22, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

why can't a guy play with his mouth open? MJordan played with his tongue hanging out. what's with this big eyes crap? he got big eyes; the kind that used to be characterized as "doe eyes." so wtf??? how long is your nose? how you look has little or NO bearing on how you play the game or how smart you are.

Posted by: dcjazzman | February 22, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

In the immortal words of Ron White, "You can't fix stupid".

Posted by: daggar | February 22, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Sovine said "i'll take an unknown over a proven failure every time" (or something like that). got a question; did you vote for bush both times? just wondering...

Posted by: dcjazzman | February 22, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Shanny should be able to scoop up 2-3 free agent offensive linemen from Denver. Josh McDaniels is cleaning house and switching from a zone blocking scheme. Draft your right tackle at #37 and get Markice Pouncy (sp?) to hold down the center position with the 2nd round pick we get from the Bills for Campbell. Looks like Samuels is coming back for 1 more 'gain so he and Levi Jones can split time at left tackle. Shanny can draft his left tackle in the first round next year. Sprinkle in a late round pick and some undrafted players and you have a serviceable o-line for young Mr. Bradford. Bradford and the young wr's get to start-off the new regime together. Our Wr's become inspired and finally "break-out" after they start catching passes that are thrown on-time and in-stride vs. passes thrown late and off-target. Campbell, meanwhile, perfects the out-of-bounds hail mary pass in Buffalo.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 23, 2010 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Sign Peppers then turn him, Haynesworth and Orakpo loose. Even Carlos Rogers will get some picks next year from that kind of pass rush.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 23, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Carlos couldn't catch a cold in the rain.

Posted by: edvar | February 23, 2010 12:38 AM | Report abuse

...And if Samuels and Randy Thomas don't retire - they should be cut.

Sorry, but it's time for both of them to hang it up. And time for the Skins to move on.

Posted by: edvar | February 23, 2010 12:41 AM | Report abuse

It is time for Randy Thomas to hang 'em up. But Samuels might be able to squeeze out one more year splitting time with Jones. Heyer and Big Mike Williams should be shown the door.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 23, 2010 12:57 AM | Report abuse

I keep BMW thru camp. No way he was going to be NFL ready in 2009. He needed a year to get his NFL chops back. Camp makes or breaks him.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 1:12 AM | Report abuse

And before you go all 'Tom Brady' on me, please name at least five QBs who have carved out HOF careers that were drafted in round four on down.

Brennan is now where near better than Campbell.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 22, 2010 4:22 PM

1. Brady
2. Kurt Warner
3. Warren Moon
4. Norm Van Brocklin
5. George Blanda
6. Johnny Unitas
7. BArt Starr
8. Sonny J
9. Roger Starbauch

Next Question....

Posted by: 4thFloor
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Dayum, Red got high-lowed by just one guy...

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | February 23, 2010 2:41 AM | Report abuse

Geez, this place is dead...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

I keep BMW thru camp. No way he was going to be NFL ready in 2009. He needed a year to get his NFL chops back. Camp makes or breaks him.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 1:12 AM
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Disagree. He doesn't fit Shanny's quicker, lighter zone blocking offensive lineman model. Plus, he's injury prone. Let him go. I am sure he will fall somewhere else where they can use him. I'd re-sign Levi Jones and Rabach as insurance policies. Jones, because he could be left tackle in a pinch and start at right tackle if the Redskins get an OT first in the draft or if (cringe) Samuels comes back. Rabach might fit a zone blocking scheme better than the power o-line he has been involved in for the last few seasons. Those are the only free agent o-linemen I would waste the ink on.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

I keep BMW thru camp. No way he was going to be NFL ready in 2009. He needed a year to get his NFL chops back. Camp makes or breaks him.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 1:12 AM
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Disagree. He doesn't fit Shanny's quicker, lighter zone blocking offensive lineman model. Plus, he's injury prone. Let him go. I am sure he will fall somewhere else where they can use him. I'd re-sign Levi Jones and Rabach as insurance policies. Jones, because he could be left tackle in a pinch and start at right tackle if the Redskins get an OT first in the draft or if (cringe) Samuels comes back. Rabach might fit a zone blocking scheme better than the power o-line he has been involved in for the last few seasons. Those are the only free agent o-linemen I would waste the ink on.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 8:10 AM
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Correction. Those are the only pending Redskins free agents I would waste the ink on. There are, however, free agents from other teams that I believe the Redskins need to take a shot at.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

bmw, is a no risk, all reward guy. Let him stay through camp, and if he's gotten his legs under himself, and can play, then you keep him, have him come into camp at 325, lean and mean, if he can't get his legs under him, then you cut him...nothing ventured nothing gained....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 23, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Mike Williams had no business here LAST season, much less going into this season. Get him outta here, don't even think twice about it.

Cut Thomas, cut Samuels, draft no less than 2 OTs. I agree on bringing back Rabach and Jones, so long as it's a reasonable price and no more than 2-3 years. We're long overdue building this O-line and the time is now to do it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

bmw, is a no risk, all reward guy. Let him stay through camp, and if he's gotten his legs under himself, and can play, then you keep him, have him come into camp at 325, lean and mean, if he can't get his legs under him, then you cut him...nothing ventured nothing gained....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 23, 2010 8:25 AM
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C'mon Bean. He sucks as an offensive tackle and he's not going to do much pulling as a guard. He's a straight up in your face blocker and Shanny doesn't want that. And, I will repeat myself by saying he is injury prone. It's not because of the rapid weight loss because he was injury prone in his earlier playing days. He was Vinny's PR campaign and Vinny is gone, so let BMW go - or sign and trade him. You could probably package he and Dockery to the Bronco's for a couple of their zone blockers...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

rsh, re-read what I wrote, you keep him, its a NO-RISK move. Have him go through camp, and if he can't make it, he gets cut....keeping him NOW is zero risk, lets see what he can do...

also, the last part about sign, and trade, and trade dockery, just stop...lets just not start off Tuesday with abject stupidity...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 23, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Greg, I hear what you're saying and it makes sense but I just don't see the point in keeping a guy who so obviously doesn't fit into what Shanahan does.

And RSH...just stop with the trade stuff, nobody in their right mind would even give up a stick of Fruit Stripe gum for Dockery, much less a decent player. I mean, this is the dude who got cut from BUFFALO last year...perhaps the only O-line worse than ours. So to think Denver would give up even their worst O-lineman for Dock or MW is criminally insane.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

rsh, re-read what I wrote, you keep him, its a NO-RISK move. Have him go through camp, and if he can't make it, he gets cut....keeping him NOW is zero risk, lets see what he can do...

also, the last part about sign, and trade, and trade dockery, just stop...lets just not start off Tuesday with abject stupidity...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 23, 2010 8:35 AM
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Bean,
BMW is a free agent. He's not a no-risk move because he is going to want to be paid - probably a bit more than what they gave him last year. The guy's a former first round pick.

As for Dock, I like Dock, but does he fit the profile for an agile zone blocker? If Shanahan came out tomorrow and said he was going to play more of a smash mouth style of offense, my comments would be entirely different, but everything I have seen about Shanny's past offensive lines is he prefers lighter guys who can get down field to take on defenders at the second level. Dock doesn't fit that profile, nor does BMW, nor, for that matter, do most of the o-lineman currently on the roster. They are road grader types designed for a three-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust offense. I'd say Dock, Heyer, BMW, Rhino - none of these guys fit with what Shanny's ideal offensive line would look like.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

"..Geez, this place is dead.."


Not only is it dead, it also filled with a lot of re-hashed arguments and whatnot.

Why?: there is no news and Mr. Reid seems to lack La Canfora's 'stir the pot' ability.

Plus: dudes keep posting about football when there is no football going on to post about. No one seems to have the skill to toss out an idea that generates some clever jibba-jabba.

Oh well: back to reading about Spring Training.

Seeya......

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

brownie, come on man, you don't cut a guy until you see what he can do, like I said, what if BMW comes in at 325, and after some stability gets his legs under him, and can move again....again, there is NO-RISK in this....NONE...its not like its BMW or Orakpo, and they have to make a choice...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 23, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Greg, I hear what you're saying and it makes sense but I just don't see the point in keeping a guy who so obviously doesn't fit into what Shanahan does.

And RSH...just stop with the trade stuff, nobody in their right mind would even give up a stick of Fruit Stripe gum for Dockery, much less a decent player. I mean, this is the dude who got cut from BUFFALO last year...perhaps the only O-line worse than ours. So to think Denver would give up even their worst O-lineman for Dock or MW is criminally insane.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2010 8:45 AM
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I wouldn't use what Buffalo does as the foundation for any argument. They also traded away their left tackle with no other option and signed an over-the-hill TO. There were other teams that wanted Dockery but the Redskins got there first. He is tradeable. I am not saying I endorse trading him because he was arguably the most consistent o-lineman the Redskins had last year. My point is, if Shanny is all-in for retooling the o-line, then Dock is fair game and BMW shouldn't be in the conversation unless there is a sign and trade deal out there.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

FS Darren Sharper will become an UFA.

We need to jump on that. Move Laron back to SS.

Posted by: Vicc | February 22, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I like that thought. SHARPER has plus, plus miles, but still plays at a high level. For the next two or so years he would make a great bridge while we fix the offense. Besides he's a local boy who might enjoy coming home to finish out his career.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 23, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Greg, if we're going based on the film, MW should already be gone. I don't buy into RSH's "he'll want to get paid" argument, but if he's already going to free agency, I sure wouldn't stop him.

Shanahan is going to face the same thing with Dock...he's a guy that clearly doesn't fit the mold for a Shanahan O-lineman but I'm sure he'll get a chance since he's already under contract. The same "no risk" proposition you're talking about. But keeping a failed reclamation project from the previous regime just because he presents no risk is pointless, IMO.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 23, 2010 8:56 AM

We forget though, Mr. Horton hears an interception will be coming back. That might make for a crowded safety position with him, Reed, LL, Moore, AND Sharper.

What about Horton at FS and Landry at SS?

If we make a Defensive FA pickup, it should be Dansby. One because we may be switching to a 3-4, two because we're getting thin at LB and Fletch's run is almost over.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 23, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

BMW is the only lineman we have that can get to the second level. I'd like to see him try out at guard with a full offseason of work all at guard. If the guy was athletic enough to be a tackle at one point in his career then I think he may be athletic enough to be a guard in a zone blocking system. Keep in mind that this guy ran a 5.3 when he was 375 pounds. I know he wants to get paid but let's be honest. Even if he wants $700,000 that's practically nothing in today's NFL. I'd definitely bring him into camp and see what he's got. We already know he's one hell of a drive blocker. Let's see what else he can do. I'm not advocating him as the starter I just think it would be dumb not to at least let him go through camp. We don't have enough linemen. Even if we draft 2 linemen we still need more. We need two starting tackles, a starting right guard, and a backup guard. Does he have more upside than Paul Fanaika, Will Montgomery, William Robinson, or D'Anthony Batiste? I think so. As long as he has even a tiny bit of upside I don't see any reason in cutting him.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 23, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan is going to face the same thing with Dock...he's a guy that clearly doesn't fit the mold for a Shanahan O-lineman but I'm sure he'll get a chance since he's already under contract. The same "no risk" proposition you're talking about. But keeping a failed reclamation project from the previous regime just because he presents no risk is pointless, IMO.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2010 9:01 AM

Brownwood, Hope you'll excuse me, but I gotta go with the beaner on this one. You know I hate to go against you but I think bean is finally 100% right, although this is probably something he got off PFT and just isn't giving them credit.

I think the question is who out there is a better prospect to add to the squad than Mike Williams and, not being a talent_evaluator, I really can't think of anyone. No, he isn't the best guy for Shanahan, but I would keep him until we sign the right guy for the system. He's an experienced lineman with some upside and no downside who can, at least, provide depth. Isn't lineman our greatest need?

You can't fire everyone and make the team over from scratch. Williams deserves to stay at least until we sign someone better.

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Besides he's a local boy who might enjoy coming home to finish out his career.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 23, 2010 8:56 AM

Glar- That William & Mary education is precisely why he's not coming here. By the time we're competitive he will have retired. Snyder is no longer signing the Deion’s, Smith’s, and George’s of the world. It’s all on Shanny/Allen now.

Cut guys 30+, don't sign guys 30+.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

You can't fire everyone and make the team over from scratch. Williams deserves to stay at least until we sign someone better.

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 9:13 AM


Nobody's suggesting we fire everybody...I just don't think it's out of the question to move on from a guy who was spotty at best last season and who probably wouldn't receive even a look from another NFL team. I mean, this guy was out of football for like 3 years before Vinny kicked his tires.

So like I said, I understand keeping Dock despite not fitting the bill for a Shanny offense, mainly for the reasons you stated. But keeping a failed reclamation project "just cuz it don't hurt" is pointless to me.

It's been proven here many times: it's better to have a lesser player that fits your system than it is to play a name guy who doesn't. And in this case, the only thing MW has at this level IS his name...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

And all the world loves rose-colored glasses right DIESEL44? Yee-Haw good buddy.

As the RYP11 points out, we have needs both on offense and defense. We can't possibly address them all without some stop-gap filler. You boys need to lighten up.

I love DANSBY at the SSLB behind a down ORAKPO in the 4-3. Until we get the offense off ground zero, I think we should temporarily scrap plans for changing the defense in 2010.

Let's get a solid player on defense at FS, CB, SSLB and DT. At DT, GRIFFIN's too old, GOLSTON's too small, MONTGOMERY's never played to his potential, and ALEXANDER's just a role player on the defense. Too small for the tackle position as a solo. IMHO of course.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 23, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

The offseason is an 80 man team roster....

...YOu keep the best 80 you got right now until otherwise....No one makes $$$ until the start of the season...You keep Randy, Sameuls, and whoever else until you are absolute or have to sign someone and need to make a cut....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 23, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

IMHO of course.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 23, 2010 9:31 AM

Minor stylistic suggestion:

You know that the H stands for "humble," right? I don't think any of us posting up here fits that description. IMO might be more accurate. A few (but not you) could more accurately write IMOO, where the extra O stands for obnoxious, opinionated, overbearing, outrageous, owful, ooky, onbearable, or odiotic.

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Guys,
BMW is injury prone. He missed most of the preseason and he missed a few games in the regular season - after he got a chance to go in there. I do not buy that he has great mobility. I saw him beaten like a drum when he was playing tackle and moving him inside still doesn't make him fast. Change your frame of reference guys. BMW was a mediocre lineman on a terrible offensive line last year. He couldn't be a starter on 80% of the starting lines in the NFL. Why let a "project" this old take up a roster spot when there's a youngster out there with more upside that fits the offense better? In case you didn't notice, that offensive line was horrible last year. You could make a case for ditching every darned guy on that line and starting from scratch.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Minor stylistic suggestion:

You know that the H stands for "humble," right? I don't think any of us posting up here fits that description. IMO might be more accurate. A few (but not you) could more accurately write IMOO, where the extra O stands for obnoxious, opinionated, overbearing, outrageous, owful, ooky, onbearable, or odiotic.

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Well, I try L-S. But you certainly have given apt descriptive to your own posts.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 23, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

IMHO of course.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 23, 2010 9:31 AM

Minor stylistic suggestion:

You know that the H stands for "humble," right? I don't think any of us posting up here fits that description. IMO might be more accurate. A few (but not you) could more accurately write IMOO, where the extra O stands for obnoxious, opinionated, overbearing, outrageous, owful, ooky, onbearable, or odiotic.

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 9:43 AM
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Wouldn't that make it IMOOOOOOOO?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

It's been proven here many times: it's better to have a lesser player that fits your system than it is to play a name guy who doesn't. And in this case, the only thing MW has at this level IS his name...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

The sad thing is that's more than half the linemen on our roster have. I mean have you actually looked at who we have lately? It's sad. As bad as BMW is he's currently our 5th best lineman. Even if we draft a guard we'll still need him as a backup guard assuming he doesn't win the job. Unless we find better undrafted/free agent/or draft options then we are stick with most of these guys. I really want both tackles replaced first then we should work on running back then guard but I don't know if we'll have the resources for all of that.

Derrick Dockery
Casey Rabach
Levi Jones
Stephon Heyer
BMW
Chad Rhinehart
Edwin Williams
Kory Lichtensteiger
Will Montgomery
Will Robinson
D'Anthony Batiste
Clint Oldenburg
Paul Fainika

Sad...so sad

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 23, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Wouldn't that make it IMOOOOOOOO?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Nice. LOL.

L-S, lighten up dude, we're all in this for the fun of it, and some social interaction.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 23, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Well, I try L-S. But you certainly have given apt descriptive to your own posts.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 23, 2010 9:46 AM

I accept your point. I used the word "us", and I explicitly excepted you from IMOO. Others are free to except themselves, but we all know who they (or, we) are, don't we? Yee haw, good buddy.

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

not that anybody cares, but if we draft another safety in the top 5 I may jump off a building.

http://blog.redskins.com/2010/02/22/on-one-of-the-other-draft-suggestions/

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Derrick Dockery
Casey Rabach
Levi Jones
Stephon Heyer
BMW
Chad Rhinehart
Edwin Williams
Kory Lichtensteiger
Will Montgomery
Will Robinson
D'Anthony Batiste
Clint Oldenburg
Paul Fainika

Sad...so sad

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 23, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

A definite second on that lot PAskinfan17.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 23, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

..Some spilt seed from the "Frak-O'File":

Moshin' in the strobe light.
With my Friend Flicka,
Call 9-11,
A cab would be quicka,
Meanwhile , the Marines get sicka...(drumcrash)

Are you just a skinhead , or do you take showers at Campt Lejeune??

I'd like to congratulate the Peyton on the fine interception he threw to seal the game for the Saints, OI!! Party up, New Orleans, there's so much ecological dead zone off your coast,Katrina and The Waves are scheduling a new tour, OI!! (drumcrash)..And Peyton, you and Eli stay off those Marine morphine syrettes, fer CRise Sakes, you don't want to end up on a cot at the homeless shelter with Aunt Bea, like all the rest of the vets, OI!!..the REAL reason we're in Afghanistan, heh-he..What are heroin and radioactive showers for , anyway, heh-heh..The Mofo Marine Vet Party Plan, Part B, OI!! (drumcrash)..And Peyton, please leave my name out of your playcalling, Or I'll have my boys Rudimentary Peni file an "anarchist lawsuit" on yer arse next time you infect the British Isles, OI!! Kind of a cross-dressing radioactive mickey...bitter teares is all-england and all thatat, oi..The "Radioactive Water Conspiracy" was something they did here in DC, also, because some genius Cold War military scientist believed that radioactive exposure before an atomic bomb hit dramatically increased susvivability from an attack..Plus it killed all the n*ggas in Lincoln Park quicker..Your tax dollar at work, making America safe for honky yuppification, oi..Wouldn't have anything to do with pouring depleted uranium into Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine, would it...Making The World Safe For Dick Cheney's Radioactive Waste..His alien engineers at GW are working on the problem as we fart..Before the nukes hit, I'd like to register a complaint: Can the female gymnasts please lay off the Bovine Growth Hormone, fer crise sake??Jesus, the girls look like they could play fullback for the Jets (drumcrash)..Thighs like Robert Newhouse, and ,Christ, who needs shoulder pads?? "Oh, sorry hon, just a little jockstrap malfunction"..Give me the days of the Romanian jailbait with the lithe legs that wrapped around you like a starved boa constrictor..OOPS!!, speaking of boa constrictors, YE BEERSKUM BECKONS!! (cures radioactive waste that causes bad breath, no sh*te, OI!!)...

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Okay, you guys want Jason Campbell and Big Mike Williams. OooooKayyyyyy, I see what I'm dealing with here.


Posted by: coparker5 | February 23, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

what?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 23, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Okay, you guys want Jason Campbell and Big Mike Williams. OooooKayyyyyy, I see what I'm dealing with here.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 23, 2010 10:04 AM

Yeah, sanity. Can you handle that?

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Well, I try L-S. But you certainly have given apt descriptive to your own posts.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 23, 2010 9:46 AM

I accept your point. I used the word "us", and I explicitly excepted you from IMOO. Others are free to except themselves, but we all know who they (or, we) are, don't we? Yee haw, good buddy.

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Thank you L-S. I accept as well. Yee-Haw good buddy.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 23, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Why let a "project" this old take up a roster spot when there's a youngster out there with more upside that fits the offense better

1. Who is the youngster you want to bring in??

2. Have BMW get in the offseason training program, and bring him to camp to see how he looks...

You're not that dense, RSH, and its not that hard to figure out....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 23, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Samuels, R Thomas, Fletcher, Smoot, Rock, Collins, Griffin, Daniels, Portis, Betts, Sellers. Which means he needs to draft, get a FA or have someone in house step up into these 11 slots. Among those that I'd consider significant chance of being gone:
Campbell, Rabach, Heyer, Moss, ARE, Carter.
That's another 6 slots to fill.
Shanahan has his hands full, but I'd prioritize getting the first 11 names replaced over replacement for the next 6, unless the replacement is in house.
Posted by: zcezcest1
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You don't prioritize over who maybe here in a year or two.. You prioritize over who is most IMPORTANT!!! A DT or backup RB? who cares??? What is most important is figuring out who yur QB is going to be. He is the leader.. he is the guy Shanahan has to get right!!! Looking at Indy and New Orleans should tell you how important the QB is.. You think those teams prioritized a backup running back when those teams were losing??? Campbell is not the future.. so to waste another year on him makes no sense. This is a great time to find our QB of the future.. Give Colt a shot, why not he's already signed so it costs NOTHING!! And draft the guy who could be it if Colt doesn't work out...

Posted by: sovine08 | February 23, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Okay, you guys want Jason Campbell and Big Mike Williams. OooooKayyyyyy, I see what I'm dealing with here.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 23, 2010 10:04 AM

We already have JC & BMW. It's so much the wanting, it's the already having.

I read your recommendation for building the line..

"Shanny should be able to scoop up 2-3 free agent offensive linemen from Denver."

2-3 OL...try zero, unless you want to propose some sort of trade. People keep referencing Kuper, he’s a RFA.

“Draft your right tackle at #37 and get Markice Pouncy (sp?) to hold down the center position with the 2nd round pick we get from the Bills for Campbell.”

Huh? The JC that you want to replace with a BIG RED FLAG OF A BRADFORD is now going to command a top 40 pick.

“Looks like Samuels is coming back for 1 more 'gain so he and Levi Jones can split time at left tackle.”

Samuels needs to retire and Jones had a worse season than Heyer.

“Our Wr's become inspired and finally "break-out" after they start catching passes that are thrown on-time and in-stride vs. passes thrown late and off-target. Campbell, meanwhile, perfects the out-of-bounds hail mary pass in Buffalo.”

And more nonsense. You have perfected the art of the mindless jibber jabba of a post.

OooooKayyyyyy, SEE WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH HERE.


Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Combine starts tomorrow!!!

Posted by: skinfanman | February 23, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Seems to me the problem is that most of the current crop of linemen may not fit the Shanahan model, either the Denver or Houston versions. Doesn't mean they won't be kept -- just that we can't tell at this point. I'd be surprised if they're not looking around for some FAs, however.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 23, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

So we cut overweighted vet contracts, PORTIS, SELLERS (on general principle if nothing else), and ARE. Any others?

I'm for getting ANTONIO DIXON back from the RAVENS, and trading HAYNESWORTH as well, IF he would net a first rounder and a sixth in this draft. Of course who knows if SAN FRAN or some other club would want the contract. I do think it's possible however. That deal was pretty front-end loaded.

Love to see us get CECIL NEWTON C from the JAGS. He should be a nice replacement for MONTGOMERY. Of course, we already have EDWIN WILLIAMS. I don't know where he fits, guard or center in the final analysis of all things REDSKINS, but he should stay.

I gotta' believe MIKE WILLIAMS should at least be given a chance in camp and pre-season. Heyer too if we resign him. I wouldn't commit much money or length of contract to either at this point however.

And for post-draft possibilities, I still think McCRACKEN OG and WANG OT would be good, if available, and ADRIAN TRACY DE and TERRELL WHITEHEAD FS should be looked at.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 23, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Derrick Dockery
Casey Rabach
Levi Jones
Stephon Heyer
BMW
Chad Rhinehart
Edwin Williams
Kory Lichtensteiger
Will Montgomery
Will Robinson
D'Anthony Batiste
Clint Oldenburg
Paul Fainika

Sad...so sad

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 23, 2010 9:49 AM


That's where we disagree...personally, I would put Lichtensteiger (he's played for Shanny before) and Rinehart (based on potential) ahead of MW, along with the 4 you named. And that's not to mention whatever we get in free agency and the draft.

At the end of the day, we have no say in it...let's just see what Allen/Shanahan decide.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

the lack of logic/reasoning/rational thought going on here is truly frightening.....between frak, gl, and rsh, wow....just wow....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 23, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

not that anybody cares, but if we draft another safety in the top 5 I may jump off a building.

http://blog.redskins.com/2010/02/22/on-one-of-the-other-draft-suggestions/

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2010 9:54 AM

If Okung is off the board and we can't trade back, that would easily be the best choice based on best player available philosophy that most winning GMs use when drafting in the Top 10.

Downgrade that declaration of yours to a kids playhouse or a 1 story building.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

From a Jason Cole article on Yahoo. Of course when considering Alex Smith one thinks of Tebow who also played for Myers.

Step 1: Understand the player’s faults

Aside from the rotating offensive coordinator situation, the 49ers didn’t understand one of Smith’s biggest flaws. He had run a system in college (the Urban Meyer spread formation) that required relatively simple reads. While Smith was good at it, the combination of shifting to a pro-set offense and learning to take the ball from under center was too much for him early on.

Likewise, Oakland didn’t understand the tendencies of quarterback JaMarcus Russell(notes), the No. 1 overall pick in 2007. The book on Russell, even in college, is that he requires an authority figure leaning on him constantly to make sure he works hard. Yeah, Russell has been tagged with being lazy, but that’s not exactly right. He’ll work, but he has to be prodded. The Raiders now have hired offensive coordinator Hue Jackson, a guy who isn’t afraid to ride herd. Sadly, it may be too late.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 23, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Sure are a lot of offensive line coaches/scouts up here. Other than the generic description of Shanny’s system using “lighter, more athletic” lineman, what do all of you guys saying that so-and-so and so-and-so won’t fit or can’t play in the system, know that we don’t? I’m guessing that you are pretty much looking at height and weight and judging from there. All of a sudden Casey Rabach, everyone’s goat of the OL and all around worthless center is a good fit again? And Dockery should be traded…..really? Cus he’s big? Wow.

Oh and cut BMW without even seeing what he can look like in camp, because nobody else would (probably) even look at him? I guess after the draft they shouldn’t sign ANY of those free agent rookies that nobody drafted to come into camp and get a tryout like every team does every year. Heck, nobody else drafted them, why should the skins look at them when there isn’t hardly any chance that they will make the team? Like Greg says, no risk, potential reward. Duh.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 23, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: frak | February 23, 2010 9:58 AM

Is this a manifesto? When and where are you flying your plane into so I can make sure to not be in the area.

Platooning the left tackle position. Genius.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | February 23, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

In the immortal words of Ron White, "You can't fix stupid".

Posted by: daggar | February 22, 2010 11:04 PM

Not that not being fixed would stop it from posting up here.

On Eric Berry (Ed Reed, Jr.) being available at #4 ... I think it would be AWESOME if every team thought the Skins were going to pick him, esp. teams that are willing to trade up ... actually, only them. Adding Eric Berry to the backfield would go a long way to replacing Sean Taylor ... but I agree that safety is already a pretty deep position (mostly b/c those guys come in handy for special teams ... safeties and tight ends, i.e., atheletes).

But I agree with the general sentiment and think we should pass the hat up here to get one of those fire rescue nets to catch zJack before he hits the ground.

Posted by: dcsween | February 23, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Peppers is about to become a FA. Go get him, Danny!

Posted by: jksesq1 | February 23, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

From the same article by Coles.

DOES SKELTON MOVE UP?

The quarterbacks in the draft getting the most attention are well known, but all come with some significant question. Oklahoma’s Sam Bradford has the shoulder injury. Likewise, Colt McCoy has to show he has recovered from the dead arm he suffered in the Rose Bowl. Jimmy Clausen has a toe injury, and Tim Tebow has to change his throwing motion.

That means that some guys in the next group could get a long look. Among them is Fordham’s John Skelton, a 6-foot-5, 244-pound guy with a cannon arm and some distant resemblance to Baltimore quarterback Joe Flacco(notes).

Aside from arm strength, much of that has to do with the fact that both played in the Patriot League, which is not a major Division I conference.


“Joe kind of paved the way for guys in our league,” Skelton said after a two-hour workout at Brett Fischer Sports Physical Therapy in Phoenix.

Rather than having to overcome the reputation of playing in a small program, Skelton has to overcome what many feel is a bad rap. As Skelton was practicing for the East-West Shrine Game in Orlando last month, ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay had some serious criticism of Skelton’s work habits.

“I have no idea where that came from,” Skelton said. “I didn’t even hear it, but my family did and they were pretty upset.”

Fischer, who trains with the likes of Donovan McNabb(notes), pitcher Kerry Wood and numerous other top athletes, was equally bewildered: “I saw that and I was thinking, ‘Are you kidding me? Are you just trying to fill time?’ “

The criticism also seems odd to NFL personnel men. Three from teams that will be interested in taking quarterbacks said last week that while Skelton’s work ethic isn’t perfect, it’s not poor.

“I’d say mediocre is a good term, but that’s because he wasn’t challenged,” an NFC personnel executive said. “In that environment, there weren’t too many guys on his level. On that team, he was all they really had. They didn’t have anybody to help him.”

Said another NFC personnel man: “The leadership didn’t come naturally to him, but I don’t think he runs from it. I think he needs somebody to point him in the right direction and he’ll be OK. It’ll just be a matter if he can become a player.”

Former NFL quarterback Travis Brown(notes), who spent six years as a backup to the likes of Peyton Manning, Drew Bledsoe(notes), Donovan McNabb and Matt Hasselbeck(notes), compared Skelton’s arm with all of them. “Yeah, his arm is as strong as all of them, if not stronger,” Brown said.

As for the work ethic question, Brown dismissed it.

“Anyone who says that about John hasn’t worked with him,” Brown said. “… He never backed away from anything I asked him to do, and he came in trying to learn. He came in knowing he didn’t have all the answers, and he was eager to find out what he didn’t know.”

Posted by: skinfanman | February 23, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

ts, thats pretty funny, and probably about 90% chance of happening as well....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 23, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Bradford and the young wr's get to start-off the new regime together. Our Wr's become inspired and finally "break-out" after they start catching passes that are thrown on-time and in-stride vs. passes thrown late and off-target. Campbell, meanwhile, perfects the out-of-bounds hail mary pass in Buffalo.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 23, 2010 12:17 AM
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"passes that are thrown on time and in-stride... "

Not so fast coparker.. it will take awhile for them to get used to it.. Remember when Collins (subbing for JC) in the Giants game hit Sleepy Davis square in the hands in the end zone? Davis dropped it like he didnt expect an accurate pass... Same thing in the previous play to Moss.. Fortunately Moss caught it for 47 yards but, he juggled it in stride.. like he was surprised it was there.

Most of the fans and WRs now expect overthrows or underthrows when JC is throwing beyond 10 yards.. I cant imagine Shanahan will accept this lack of consistent accuracy, very long.

(OK..DONE.. a Campbell bashing for all you soup lovers before the morning was over..haha)

back to watching red sox fungo practice.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Former Arizona and Denver quarterback Jake Plummer(notes) can be found hanging out in the Phoenix area today. While Plummer looks fit, he doesn’t look like a guy who used to play football. He has dropped about 20 pounds of muscle mass and is sporting a thick, long and untamed beard.

• Arizona quarterback Matt Leinart(notes) will have much to prove as he enters his fifth season in the NFL and replaces Kurt Warner(notes) as the Cardinals starter. One teammate recently gave Leinart little chance to become a successful player or even a good leader. “A complete [soft guy],” one Cardinals player said. Ouch.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 23, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Arizona Cardinals cornerback/free safety Antrel Rolle(notes) is due $4 million if he's still on the roster next week and the two sides have apparently discussed a contract extension, but the rumor is that he's going to get released by the Cards, according to AZCardinals.com.

The Cardinals are apparently thinking the team can re-sign Rolle without shelling out all that dough since he supposedly would really like to stay in Arizona.

However, the 27-year-old who can do a back flip calls Miami home so there is some suspicious that the Miami Dolphins could be interested if Rolle gets put on the open market, especially since Miami isn't fond of the safety it has right now, Gibril Wilson(notes). And the New York Giants may be interested in Rolle as well.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 23, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Conventional wisdom had it that the New Orleans Saints were going to stick the franchise tag on free agent safety Darren Sharper(notes) this offseason. But ESPN has heard that the team isn't planning to do that and will let him become a free agent.

The team has to do it one way or the other by Thursday. The Saints are likely looking at Usama Young(notes) and 2009 first-round pick Malcolm Jenkins(notes) to see if they think either one of them can take over where Sharper left off.

Surely the team isn't expecting the nine interceptions and 71 tackles it got from Sharper last season from either of these fellows, but maybe it would get half the job for a lot less dough.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 23, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Already apologizing for the pending failure of Shannahan next season? Vince Lombardi couldn't win with these clowns. Good luck to you. No offensive line = many, many losses.

Posted by: KDSmallJr | February 23, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

One teammate recently gave Leinart little chance to become a successful player or even a good leader. “A complete [soft guy],” one Cardinals player said. Ouch.


Posted by: skinfanman | February 23, 2010 11:03 AM

Well, "complete" is probably wrong. There is this picture of him on the internet where he was probably only 95% soft.

http://www.obsessedwithsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/matt-leinart-usc.jpg

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

You guys supporting BMW are a riot. What parts of 45 sacks given up and not a running back with over 500 yards rushing do you not understand? The offensive line sucks. Defending keeping anyone is ludicrous.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/Skins_-scouting-starts-by-evaluating-current-roster-85008482.html

Not much new here, but I like the way this FO is approaching the offseason. They want to hold onto players currently on the team, if the players fit their schemes. Again, in this article, it looks as if JC will get a shot to remain the starter for the Skins.

Posted by: TWISI | February 23, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

right, it was BMW's fault that Heyer was a turnstile...good call...moving on from this lunacy....enjoy arguing with yourself...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 23, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinfanman | February 23, 2010 11:03 AM

RE: Plummer

He wouldn’t even be a consideration if he was in football playing shape.

Shanny benched him for Cutler and then traded him to TB. Plummer then retired. There is no love lost between the two.

Plummer's hippiesque ripping of Shanny..

"Said Plummer in July 2009 regarding the man who benched Plummer in 2006 and traded him in 2007: "Well, he was what only five-four? But he wants them to think he's five-six. Hey man, that's just like his mansion, he wants you to think it's bigger than it is."

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

One teammate recently gave Leinart little chance to become a successful player or even a good leader. “A complete [soft guy],” one Cardinals player said. Ouch.


Posted by: skinfanman | February 23, 2010 11:03 AM

Well, "complete" is probably wrong. There is this picture of him on the internet where he was probably only 95% soft.

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 11:10 AM
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haha..nice pic.. Although the girl in the blue top is a little too burly for me.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

You guys supporting BMW are a riot. What parts of 45 sacks given up and not a running back with over 500 yards rushing do you not understand? The offensive line sucks. Defending keeping anyone is ludicrous.
Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 11:10 AM

Yeah, you’re right. Now that I think of it, the TEAM was only 4-12 last year. Get rid of EVERYONE. Maybe we can make a 53 man for 53 man trade with Denver. Of course they would probably want our 2nd round pick to seal the deal……those jerks.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 23, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Well, "complete" is probably wrong. There is this picture of him on the internet where he was probably only 95% soft.

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 11:10 AM
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haha..nice pic.. Although the girl in the blue top is a little too burly for me.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 11:16 AM

I don't know about that. In that crowd she would be 3rd for me but I would eventually make my way there.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

It's a moot point since they're going to draft a QB in the first round, but the question still lingers:

Why would any Redskins fan want Jason Campbell back?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 23, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

haha..nice pic.. Although the girl in the blue top is a little too burly for me.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 11:16 AM


Burly? With tits like that, she can burp in my face if she wants to.

Every single chick in that pic is welcome in my hot tub ANY day...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

right, it was BMW's fault that Heyer was a turnstile...good call...moving on from this lunacy....enjoy arguing with yourself...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 23, 2010 11:13 AM
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dont be harsh on Heyer.. he actually broke a record his rookie year....

For sacks allowed in the Seattle playoff game.

He made Kearney look like the reincarnation of Reggie White.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

right, it was BMW's fault that Heyer was a turnstile...good call...moving on from this lunacy....enjoy arguing with yourself...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 23, 2010 11:13 AM
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BMW gave up some of those sacks, bucko and I saw him whiff on more than a few blocks in the running game. He ain't part of the solution, so he must be part of the problem.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

You guys supporting BMW are a riot. What parts of 45 sacks given up and not a running back with over 500 yards rushing do you not understand? The offensive line sucks. Defending keeping anyone is ludicrous.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I guess you think we can go into camp with a blocking sled and a tackling dummy and backfill the roster with a rainbows and puppy dog tails. I get your point though. There's absolutely no reason why we can't find 8 good linemen with only 3 quality draft picks and one of the most restrictive offseasons in NFL history!!! We can certainly do better with undrafted free agents!!! Shhh, there's a unicorn coming out of Coastal Carolina that may be a steal!!!

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 23, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

rsh, please see dl's post about the 53 man trade with either Denver, or the Raiders...I'm sure PFT is gonna have something on it shortly....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 23, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Why would any Redskins fan want Jason Campbell back?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 23, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

If this is a serious question, I'd suggest that you enroll in some type of reading comprehension class.

Both sides of the JC argument have been pretty well covered all year.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | February 23, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

BMW gave up some of those sacks, bucko and I saw him whiff on more than a few blocks in the running game. He ain't part of the solution, so he must be part of the problem.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 11:23 AM

So what...Cut him out of spite or let him compete for a job and if he loses, you cut him.

You gain nothing by cutting him now and you lose nothing if you cut him in the preseason.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

trannyphobic

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Hate to break it to you but BMW was the best right guard on the roster last year.

Granted, that's like being the valedictorian at the vocational high school but I don't think he's a complete waste as a RG.

Under no circumstances should he be considered to play tackle but if he can come to offseason workouts in better shape and stronger, showing that he built upon last season, then a draft pick can be used to fill another need.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 23, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

diesel, why is that so hard for some people to understand...i'm not kidding, I don't get where the lack of comprehension on that comes in....

pa, bigfoot ran a 4.18 at his pro-day, and was a BEAST...we need to be looking at him with either the 1st or 2nd pick we have...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 23, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

**peeks in and dips out before anyone sees me**

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 23, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

trannyphobic

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 11:31 AM

Even after all the visits to the couch, you haven't overcome your college days?

Not ever woman is a dude..

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

BMW gave up some of those sacks, bucko and I saw him whiff on more than a few blocks in the running game. He ain't part of the solution, so he must be part of the problem.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 11:23 AM

So what...Cut him out of spite or let him compete for a job and if he loses, you cut him.

You gain nothing by cutting him now and you lose nothing if you cut him in the preseason.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 11:29 AM
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First of all, it's not cutting him when he is a free agent, which he is. Second, would you sign a guard from an offensive line that played so poorly last year over one of the other free agent offensive lineman that are out there?

Ignore the fact that they guy did make mistakes in pass and run blocking last year. He's thirty years old, injury prone and has walked away from the game once because "it just wasn't fun anymore". Compare him to a guy like Chester Pitts of the Texans who is also a free agent and is well versed in Shanny Junior's offense.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

not that anybody cares, but if we draft another safety in the top 5 I may jump off a building.

http://blog.redskins.com/2010/02/22/on-one-of-the-other-draft-suggestions/

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2010 9:54 AM

If Okung is off the board and we can't trade back, that would easily be the best choice based on best player available philosophy that most winning GMs use when drafting in the Top 10.

Downgrade that declaration of yours to a kids playhouse or a 1 story building.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

There is zero chance that Anthony Davis, Russel Okung, Clausen, Spiller, Bradford, Suh, and/or Gerald McCoy will all be off the board at #4. Any of those would be better than taking a safety in the top 5. There are only 3 safeties in the league that right now would be worth a top 5 pick even as known commodities Reed, Troy, and maybe Bob Sanders. Every year there is a "can't miss" safety that misses. ST21 was on his way to that level but even he never fully reached the dominant plateau that a safety would have to be to make him worth a top 5 pick. Landry? How's that working out for us. Safety is about 9th on our list of needs and IMO can be easily fixed with good coaching or a reasonable FA signing not the draft of a top 5 safety. People want to talk about the risk reward of drafting a QB at #4 and then pretend like taking a safety at #4 is a viable option....come on man!

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Personally, I'm loving the grab Berry at 4 noise. He is the kind of player that will tempt a team to come from WAAAY back (and pay the heavy appropriate price) to come up and get. If you're lucky, you could start a bidding war for the 4th pick.

Unfortunately, I am very doubtful that he falls past TBay at 3.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 23, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

If Okung is off the board and we can't trade back, that would easily be the best choice based on best player available philosophy that most winning GMs use when drafting in the Top 10.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 10:46 AM
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"Best player available" Philosophy got us an above average Defense and a near league "worst of the decade" Offense. But it did get Vinny fired.. So, I guess its not all that bad..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Personally, I'm loving the grab Berry at 4 noise. He is the kind of player that will tempt a team to come from WAAAY back...

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 23, 2010 11:46 AM

I read this and thought you were talking about where Blache would play him on the field -- WAAY back.... Hell, he's so good that Blache would line him up in the end zone on every snap.

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

rsh, please see dl's post about the 53 man trade with either Denver, or the Raiders...I'm sure PFT is gonna have something on it shortly....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 23, 2010 11:26 AM
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I wouldn't trade 53 players, I'd replace 4 or 5 though including BMW.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Compare him to a guy like Chester Pitts of the Texans who is also a free agent and is well versed in Shanny Junior's offense.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 11:41 AM

I'm not tooting BMWs horn here. I just don't see the rush to cut someone who isn't under contract. They might as well cut you then, since you're not under contract either.

If they want him back, fine. He would get another league min contract and they could then cut him and lose nothing.

You're telling me about Chester Pitts...I've only mentioned him 30x on here about being the best UFA available @ RG.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Uh oh...from PFT:

Report: Lions shopping No. 2 pick
Posted by Mike Florio on February 23, 2010 11:48 AM ET
Amid rumors that the Rams and the Buccaneers are discussing a possible flip-flop of the first and third picks in the draft, respectively, a report has emerged that the Detroit Lions are shopping slice of boiled ham residing between the Ram-Buc sandwich.

Jason La Canfora of NFL Network reports that the Lions already have been in contact with several other teams regarding the possibility of moving into the second spot.

It's a smart move by the Lions. (For a change.) With four top-ten teams picking after No. 2 potentially looking for a franchise quarterback (Redskins, Browns, Seahawks, and Bills), getting to No. 2 might be the only way to keep the Rams from moving down to No. 3 and still taking Sam Bradford or Jimmy Clausen.

Besides, with defensive tackles Ndamukong Suh and Gerald McCoy at the top of most draft boards, the Lions have to be at least a little nervous about being left with the guy who could be the interior defensive lineman version of Ryan Leaf.

By moving down, the Lions could still get the player we think they covet -- tackle Russell Okung, who'd ideally spend the next decade protecting quarterback Matthew Stafford. And they could get more opportunities to upgrade a roster that is still recovering from the reckless, receiver-rich reign of Matt Millen.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

BMW started 9 games last year. He didn't start playing until the 5th week and he was injured for three of the twelve weeks he was playing, so he was injured 25% of the time. He also missed two of the four preseason games due to injury. When he was with the Jaguars in 2006, he didn't play any games. In 2005, when he was with the Bills, he played in 9 games. The guy gets injured a lot and he won't play hurt. Why keep him?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Best player available" Philosophy got us an above average Defense and a near league "worst of the decade" Offense. But it did get Vinny fired.. So, I guess its not all that bad..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 11:49 AM

Read what I wrote. You don't draft in the top 5 for need. You draft impact players. Vinny never officially drafted in the top 5.

If Okung is off the board and we can't trade back. You take the guy considered to be rated 1 or 2 in this year’s draft. You don't reach for a guy that is rated in the teens @ #4.
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Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

LOL LS. He might even line him up at the concession ring 40 rows up.

"Ok Berry your job is to defend the 'during play move to the restroom'. We cant have paying customers view blocked like that".

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 23, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

You're telling me about Chester Pitts...I've only mentioned him 30x on here about being the best UFA available @ RG.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 11:53 AM
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Would you take Pitts over BMW? That's my point. There are better guys out there in free agency and Snyder will spend the money.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

#4 Okung (Samuels drafted #4)
#36 Pouncey C/G (Thomas drafted 2nd round at #57)

As anyone can see, waiting till it breaks to fix it is always more costly

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | February 23, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

trannyphobic

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 11:31 AM

Even after all the visits to the couch, you haven't overcome your college days?

Not ever woman is a dude..

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 11:33 AM
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too true about the couch..dieselfumes....

I made the mistake as an innocent 9 year old who, with my best friend, snuck into a side-show tent (crawled under) at the Manassas Fair grounds many summers ago...... When our heads popped up inside the tent, the stripper's voice dropped along with her (now his) adam's apple and said "Hello Boys".
I never got over it..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Would you take Pitts over BMW? That's my point. There are better guys out there in free agency and Snyder will spend the money.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 12:02 PM

Of course, I'd take a 5 guys bacon cheeseburger over BMW & Jones.

Still not sure why you want to cut a guy who doesn't even have a contract. I have no problem with him being a camp invite.

Hopefully they sign Pitts and draft OL w/ the 1st & 2nd RD picks and he BMW can go back to Doc's couch.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

BMW started 9 games last year. He didn't start playing until the 5th week and he was injured for three of the twelve weeks he was playing, so he was injured 25% of the time. He also missed two of the four preseason games due to injury. When he was with the Jaguars in 2006, he didn't play any games. In 2005, when he was with the Bills, he played in 9 games. The guy gets injured a lot and he won't play hurt. Why keep him?
Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 12:00 PM
Would you take Pitts over BMW? That's my point. There are better guys out there in free agency and Snyder will spend the money.
Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 12:02 PM |


What don’t you get? Why wouldn’t you bring the guy into camp if it doesn’t cost you anything to see if maybe he has gotten good/better enough to make the team? If there is no risk and you don’t have to give up ANYTHING to bring him into camp, why would you NOT do it? Heading into free agency, they don’t have to decide between this guy and a top free agent. They could bring both in, unless BMW wants top dollars. They aren’t giving up a draft choice, or another player, or even cap room. Yes, he might not be good enough to make the team, but why wouldn’t you want to give him a shot when it doesn’t cost anything?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 23, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

If Okung is off the board and we can't trade back. You take the guy considered to be rated 1 or 2 in this year’s draft. You don't reach for a guy that is rated in the teens @ #4.
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Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Who are you talking about with the reaching? Okung isn't the consensus top tackle prospect, there are several scouts, draft experts, and prognosticators that are saying Anthony Davis is as good or better a LT prospect as he is more athletic than Okung. There is no way that one of the two isn't there when we pick so no matter what we'll have a shot at options 1 and 1A for O tackle. Same scenario from a QB perspective or have a shot at the best RB, or the 1 or 1A DT. All of those are better options for what we need than a freaking safety.......

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 23, 2010 11:59 AM

If Bradford is healthy and he is the consensus #1 QB, there is no way he slides to #4. Too many teams needing QBs in the top 10, which will mean one of them will get desperate and make the move to #2 or #3 in the draft.

Posted by: TWISI | February 23, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

What don't you guys get? Free agency starts on March 5th and BMW is free to sign anywhere. Someone will take a shot at him unless Washington signs him to a contract. I imagine he'll be feeling the market out, so, is it worth it to bargain with the guy, or do the Skins spend their time trying to sign someone else?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

What don't you guys get? Free agency starts on March 5th and BMW is free to sign anywhere. Someone will take a shot at him unless Washington signs him to a contract. I imagine he'll be feeling the market out, so, is it worth it to bargain with the guy, or do the Skins spend their time trying to sign someone else?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

The genius of Vinny strikes again. Sign a project, be so enamored with that project that you cut other viable options at the true position of need (Jeremy Bridges, starter at LT for the Cardinals during the stretch run and playoffs) yet sign him to only a 1 year deal so that if he does miraculously pan out, you have to resign him for bigger bucks immediately when you could have signed him to a vet minimum two or three year deal since the guy was on the street and if he didn't pan out it costs nothing to cut him........way to go Vin!

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

anyone know why Jevan Snead dropped to a 4th round projection? He was a 1st round projection, one year ago, along with Bradford.
Seems like a hellava drop if for no other reason than a average senior year... ?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

From ESPN Insider rumors:

Will Shanny make a play for LT?
12:03PM ET
LaDainian Tomlinson | Chargers | Interested: Redskins?, Eagles?, Steelers?, Texans?, Lions?, Titans?, Vikings?, 49ers?, Jaguars?, Packers?
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The prevailing speculation this offseason has been that LaDainian Tomlinson's tenure with the Chargers would come to a close. That became official Monday afternoon, according to the team.

As for Tomlinson's next team -- if he does go the Emmitt Smith route and looks for employment elsewhere -- there could be some interest around the league for teams that need a backup with receiving skills. We previously speculated on some teams that would use LT in a complementary role (including the Vikings, Jags, Titans, Packers, 49ers), but is there a team that would use him even more than that? The Lions need such a player, although Tim Twentyman of the Detroit News notes that Tomlinson -- though better than some other options -- isn't a great solution for a team that is more than just a running back away from respectability. The Texans were one of the first teams that came to mind, but that option has been downplayed by many in the time since.

How about the Redskins? They didn't contend very well in 2009, but NFC East blogger Matt Mosley thinks one key change this offseason might've changed LT's appraisal of them. Meanwhile, NFL Insider Adam Schefter e-mailed with another idea late Monday night:

Matt Mosley

Shanny could be a big lure

"Coach Mike Shanahan has a great appreciation for Tomlinson because he coached in the same division for so many years. The Redskins are still trying to figure out what to do at quarterback and running back, though, which might make them less appealing to the former Chargers great. Still, you could make the argument that Shanahan's presence alone will quickly turn the Redskins into a contender."

Adam Schefter

LT wants a ring

"He will want to play for a winner, which means playing with a QB, which leaves some logical landing spots -- Pittsburgh or Philly, for instance. But at age 30, Tomlinson will not pick a team far away from a championship."

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Anthony Davis is as good or better a LT prospect as he is more athletic than Okung

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2010 12:12 PM

Disregard anything Todd McShay says or writes. I'd take Bulaga and Campbell over Davis, but not a # 4. Okung is the consensus best OT and ranks anywhere from the 3rd-8th overall. Davis ranks anywhere from the 2nd-6th best OT and 12-25th overall and some scouts say he may end up being a RT.

Now that would classify as a reach.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

The genius of Vinny strikes again. Sign a project, be so enamored with that project that you cut other viable options at the true position of need (Jeremy Bridges, starter at LT for the Cardinals during the stretch run and playoffs) yet sign him to only a 1 year deal so that if he does miraculously pan out, you have to resign him for bigger bucks immediately when you could have signed him to a vet minimum two or three year deal since the guy was on the street and if he didn't pan out it costs nothing to cut him........way to go Vin!

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2010 12:24 PM
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It was more important to Vinny to have another "former 1st round pick" to brag about.. versus thinking long term.
He always talked about how the Skins had the most 1st rounders of any NFL team. Didnt matter if they were blind, cripple, crazy or obese.. Just as long as it fed his ego (and Dan's) that he got another former 1st round pick.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Schefter also reported that we are a potential player for Julius Peppers.....

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4938176

don't know that I love that idea, although the thought of Orakpo and Peppers coming off the edges and Big Al up the middle is pretty darn frightening....I just don't know how much he cares about football

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

What don't you guys get? Free agency starts on March 5th and BMW is free to sign anywhere. Someone will take a shot at him unless Washington signs him to a contract. I imagine he'll be feeling the market out, so, is it worth it to bargain with the guy, or do the Skins spend their time trying to sign someone else?
Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 12:15 PM

None of us are saying to offer him any type of risky contract. Offer him the vet min….if it comes down to negotiations, offer incentives. No guaranteed money though. If he wants money then it becomes a risk you don’t necessarily want to take with the guy, and yes, you cut/don’t sign him. If somebody wants to give the guy a nice contract, good for him, but bye bye. But if nobody does, and we can bring him in for the minimum, yes, you give the guy a shot at making the roster.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 23, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Anthony Davis is as good or better a LT prospect as he is more athletic than Okung

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2010 12:12 PM

Disregard anything Todd McShay says or writes. I'd take Bulaga and Campbell over Davis, but not a # 4. Okung is the consensus best OT and ranks anywhere from the 3rd-8th overall. Davis ranks anywhere from the 2nd-6th best OT and 12-25th overall and some scouts say he may end up being a RT.

Now that would classify as a reach.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

On the money there Diesel44. You go.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 23, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Would you take Pitts over BMW? That's my point. There are better guys out there in free agency and Snyder will spend the money.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 12:02 PM

RSH-- It's not either/or. You'd take Pitts as a starter, although he's not under contract to the Redskins. But you still need a backup.

The way to lose your job in the NFL is to have someone step up and play better than you do. No one has played better than Williams yet. When someone beats him out, then let him go. But there's no rush. And there's room on the roster for both Pitts and Williams.

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

People want to talk about the risk reward of drafting a QB at #4 and then pretend like taking a safety at #4 is a viable option....come on man!

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Gotta' agree here. ERIC BERRY is like icing on an already baked cake. Hell, we don't have all the ingrediants in the bowl yet. Cart before the horse. We need a serious offensive line above anything else. Offense trumps defense at this point in REDSKINS history.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 23, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Disregard anything Todd McShay says or writes. I'd take Bulaga and Campbell over Davis, but not a # 4. Okung is the consensus best OT and ranks anywhere from the 3rd-8th overall. Davis ranks anywhere from the 2nd-6th best OT and 12-25th overall and some scouts say he may end up being a RT.

Now that would classify as a reach.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Scouts Inc. has him higher than Okung, NFL.com has Okung, Trent Williams, and Davis all going in the top 8 he's anything but a reach.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

THey should change the name from "ESPN Insider" to "ESPN Baseless Speculation".

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 23, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

People want to talk about the risk reward of drafting a QB at #4 and then pretend like taking a safety at #4 is a viable option....come on man!

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Gotta' agree here. ERIC BERRY is like icing on an already baked cake. Hell, we don't have all the ingrediants in the bowl yet. Cart before the horse. We need a serious offensive line above anything else. Offense trumps defense at this point in REDSKINS history.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 23, 2010 12:42 PM
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If Bradford or Clausen are available at #4 you take them.
Even if they turn out average, you still have trade equity immediately or for years to come. A "Matt Leinert" comes to mind.
If a SS or Oline guy drafted at #4 turns out average.. you got nothing.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Peppers?

"...don't know that I love that idea, although the thought of Orakpo and Peppers coming off the edges and Big Al up the middle is pretty darn frightening..."

Enough with the 'great killer defense' fantasies. The redskins don't score, plain and simple.

I'd drop a few coins to snag R Bush away from the saints before adding another big money defensive player.

The modern NFL is all about speed, dynamic offense and scoring: the last time I checked, the saints won the championship by having a diverse offense.

The colts defense got done in by an offense from the saints that could attack from a variety of angles.

Let's replicate that, please.

Let Peppers go to the pats or jints, our energy should go into improving the offensive line and adding playmakers on the edges.

The skins need blocking, speed, and scoring, not another defensive hero.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

the last time I checked, the saints won the championship by having a diverse offense.

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I thought it was Coaching (Payton and Greggggg) and Film Study?

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 23, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Scouts Inc. has him higher than Okung, NFL.com has Okung, Trent Williams, and Davis all going in the top 8 he's anything but a reach.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2010 12:48 PM

Athletically Davis is as gifted as they come from what I understand. However, out of these three players, four if you include Buluga, Davis has the highest bust potential. He didn't play up to his talent level consistently. For that reason, I think selecting him at four would be considered a reach, in that his play would have suggest Davis going in the neighborhood of where Michael Oher went. last year.

Posted by: TWISI | February 23, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

moe, I'm hearing that MRivera went for an MRI on his elbow, and the words TOMMY, and JOHN were bandied about.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 23, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

f Bradford or Clausen are available at #4 you take them.
Even if they turn out average, you still have trade equity immediately or for years to come. A "Matt Leinert" comes to mind.
If a SS or Oline guy drafted at #4 turns out average.. you got nothing.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 12:51 PM

If you select an average QB hoping to get elite production you'll end up with the Skins of 2007-2009.

Posted by: TWISI | February 23, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Scouts Inc. has him higher than Okung, NFL.com has Okung, Trent Williams, and Davis all going in the top 8 he's anything but a reach.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2010 12:48 PM

Scouts Inc = Todd McShay. Plug your ears when he talks.

Mayock- pay attention to him
1 Russell Okung Oklahoma State
2 Bryan Bulaga* Iowa
3 Anthony Davis* Rutgers

Bucky Brooks- ignore him

Does NFL.com's mock drafts. He has us taking Okung, Trent Willams going 5, and Bradford going 26th overall. He makes a complete mockery of the mock draft.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

"People want to talk about the risk reward of drafting a QB at #4 and then pretend like taking a safety at #4 is a viable option....come on man!

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Gotta' agree here. ERIC BERRY is like icing on an already baked cake. Hell, we don't have all the ingrediants in the bowl yet. Cart before the horse. We need a serious offensive line above anything else. Offense trumps defense at this point in REDSKINS history.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 23, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse"

Careful with this. This is the same justification we had when we passed on Adrian Peterson because we had Portis returning from injury and Betts coming off a 1000-yard season. Berry is shaping up to be a generational talent. And our current safety situation is far from perfect.

Just sayin'...

Posted by: psps23 | February 23, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Davis > Oher

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 23, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

The skins need blocking, speed, and scoring, not another defensive hero.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2010 12:52 PM
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Agreed..
At what point do you not begin to focus on your Offense when you've been named the 3rd worst scoring Offense in the NFL for the last decade?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

anyone know why Jevan Snead dropped to a 4th round projection? He was a 1st round projection, one year ago, along with Bradford.
Seems like a hellava drop if for no other reason than a average senior year... ?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Snead, who is a redshirt junior, has seen has draft stock fall because he had a subpar year for Ole Miss. They started out highly ranked and underachieved. Some of the blame can be attributed to his receiving core which had problems with route running and drops. To me this guy makes the most sense for the skins. Before the season he had a first round grade and you could argue if he went back for his senior season he may have reclaimed that status. If the skins take him and let him sit for a year or two they could get a first round talent on the cheap.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 23, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

"If Bradford or Clausen are available at #4 you take them.
Even if they turn out average, you still have trade equity immediately or for years to come."

If they turn out average, then you wasted the #4 pick and approximately $70 million on a player you already had on the roster for a fraction of the price.

The only way you select Bradford or Clausen is if you've evaluated them as an exceptional talent. Anything less and you don't touch them with a 10 foot pole.

Posted by: psps23 | February 23, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Davis > Oher

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 23, 2010 1:03 PM

Talent wise he could be. However some red flags with Davis are similar to Oher (coachable, LT or RT, off the field issues, etc).

Posted by: TWISI | February 23, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Careful with this. This is the same justification we had when we passed on Adrian Peterson because we had Portis returning from injury and Betts coming off a 1000-yard season. Berry is shaping up to be a generational talent. And our current safety situation is far from perfect.

Just sayin'...

Posted by: psps23 | February 23, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Not to take anything away from Peterson but how good would he be if he were a Redskin? I mean he is running behind Steve Hutchinson and Bryant McKinnie. Both are first rounders and one was a top ten pick.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 23, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

From the NYT:

"Bart Mandell, a New York sex-addiction therapist and chairman emeritus of the International Institute for Trauma and Addiction Professionals, who trained at Gentle Path, said Woods’s daily schedule presumably included morning meditation and exercise — including obstacle courses to build trust with other patients and eye movement exercises to “get through his defenses.” It would also have included interviews probing for childhood trauma or abandonment, several daily rounds of group therapy, art therapy — in which he would draw stories about himself — and “a tremendous amount of writing his sexual history,” including his first memories of sexual arousal and his first encounter with pornography, all the way up through the present."

Crissakes, whatever happened to the old "cold showers and salt peter" therapy?

Posted by: BirnamWood | February 23, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Careful with this. This is the same justification we had when we passed on Adrian Peterson because we had Portis returning from injury and Betts coming off a 1000-yard season. Berry is shaping up to be a generational talent. And our current safety situation is far from perfect.

Just sayin'...

Posted by: psps23 | February 23, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Generational talent??? I watched plenty of games of his this year, I watched him be a very above average player and good return guy. This against the SEC. Even their bowl game against VT, he flashed a few times but was hardly dominant in any way. The only guy I've heard anyone say could be a generational player is Mays because of his size speed combo, but Berry? Come on....neither one of them is worth a top 5 pick because we're talking about a freaking safety.....do this for me, go down the list of people you would take 1st and foremost if you had to start a team today and tell me how long it takes until you get to a safety.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Not to take anything away from Peterson but how good would he be if he were a Redskin? I mean he is running behind Steve Hutchinson and Bryant McKinnie. Both are first rounders and one was a top ten pick.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 23, 2010 1:09 PM

Hard to say PA17, although how good could he have been here with a competent GM that didn't neglect the OL for 10 years.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

If Bradford or Clausen are available at #4 you take them.
Even if they turn out average, you still have trade equity immediately or for years to come. A "Matt Leinert" comes to mind.
If a SS or Oline guy drafted at #4 turns out average.. you got nothing.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 12:51 PM

If you select an average QB hoping to get elite production you'll end up with the Skins of 2007-2009.

Posted by: TWISI | February 23, 2010 12:58 PM
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just saying the NFL Draft is a crap shoot. So you're better off acquiring the player that provides the higher prospect of future trade equity if they turn out average.... Ie. skilled / point producing positions versus non-skilled.

Mike Williams is a good example.. A 1st round pick that turned out less than average.... And was out of the league in a few years. Whereas, 1st round QBs have a much more longer "trade equity" shelf life, even if average.
If Bradford is still there at #4.. I bet Shanny/Allen takes him, especially it being JC's last year.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Union wants to avoid uncapped year
Posted by Mike Florio on February 23, 2010 1:04 PM ET
My, how times have changed.

Four years ago, the threat of an uncapped year -- which was still a year into the future -- helped compel the NFL to agree to a labor deal that, little more than two years later, the owners wanted to scuttle. At the time, NFLPA Executive Director Gene Upshaw vowed that, once the salary cap went away, it would never come back.

Today, with the first uncapped year since 1993 only 10 days away, the NFLPA wants to press pause for a full year. Executive Director De Smith discloses in a memo sent to all players and agents today that the unions most recent proposal to the NFL "contains an offer to continue the current capped system for an additional year which would allow the parties ample time to complete work on a long-term CBA."

It's a meaningless gesture. The league wants an uncapped year, in large part because the league knows the union doesn't. And if the players and agents place enough pressure on the union between now and March 5, there's a chance that the union will accept whatever the final offer is as of March 4.

We think the chances are slim. But, still, there's a chance.

The memo is being rapidly and widely circulated; Clarence Hill of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram has posted the entire document.

Meanwhile, we'll milk the thing for a few more posts.

Posted by: TWISI | February 23, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

"Not to take anything away from Peterson but how good would he be if he were a Redskin?"

My guess is he'd still be significantly better than Portis and Betts. I can't remember the last guy I've seen with that combination of power, speed, quickness, and determination when running the ball.

Posted by: psps23 | February 23, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

BAD AZZ "RedDMV" has taken time off from his busy schedule monitoring driver license exams to respond to THE CORK.

"I mean, shouldn't you be worried about other things such as:

Your SSI check...


Your "going problem"...

Your wife fuc_ing your brother...

Posted by: RedDMV


Sorry for the late reply Red. Now that the board is mostly just guys like you doing tough guy pose offs, I only check in about once a day, and frequently miss the clever comebacks.

My loss... You're wasting your time here. Send your pithy comments and wry asides where you can profit from them. This is grade "A" comic material.

"Worry about my SSI Check" Wait, now I have to worry about my cracked ribs. Man, I almost spit out my false teeth with that clever jape.

"Your going problem" Man, calling back hilarious TV ads can't be beat for comedy gold. Really, does Leno have your resume? Letterman? They're doing a Biopic about Richard Pryor, now. Perhaps you could offer to punch it up?

"Your wife Fu_king your brother." Uh-oh. a misstep. This is a double headscratcher. For one, I'm disappointed that you've stopped using those clever asterisks you use to get your tough guy cussin' past the censors.

And second, when you're insulting someone, it's always wise to either keep it very generalized or do some asterickin' research. I don't have a brother, Bro (If I may bv so familiar, and I think of you not as a board commenter, or even just a friend, but more as a straight man.

And before you come back with something clever like "at least I'm not a "gay man"like you!" let me point out the usage here is in the comedy duo sense.

And--brace for Irony--it looks like in the world of comedy, that's your only hope.

Now please go back to your bad azz persona to rip on the many illiterates here. Anyone with an a sense of humor more sophisticated than knock-knock jokes is out of your league, er, homes.

Posted by: TheCork | February 23, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

BEst choice would be to get out of #4...

If we stay there, Okung and/or Bradford shuold be acceptable....

How often does the 1st QB in the draft last until #4? And plus...Bradford looks legit....So does Pike if he catches on to the right team.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 23, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Redskins making inquiries about TO
Posted by Mike Florio on February 24, 2010 1:26 PM ET
We're hearing rumors that Coach Mike Shanahan, long enarmored with Terrell Owens has begun the process of feeling out what it would take contract wise, to make TO a member of the Washington Redskins. The TO camp is asking we hear for something in the neighborhood of 3 years and 30 million, with half of that money guaranteed.

Stay tuned..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 23, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Snead, who is a redshirt junior, has seen has draft stock fall because he had a subpar year for Ole Miss. They started out highly ranked and underachieved. Some of the blame can be attributed to his receiving core which had problems with route running and drops. To me this guy makes the most sense for the skins. Before the season he had a first round grade and you could argue if he went back for his senior season he may have reclaimed that status. If the skins take him and let him sit for a year or two they could get a first round talent on the cheap.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 23, 2010 1:04 PM
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read somewhere too, that he contracted Swine Flu midway through last season.. Not easy to recover from that..
He could be a steal in the 4th...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 23, 2010 1:22 PM

So close... only if you hadn't misspelled 'enamored'.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 23, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

My guess is he'd still be significantly better than Portis and Betts. I can't remember the last guy I've seen with that combination of power, speed, quickness, and determination when running the ball.

Posted by: psps23 | February 23, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

and ability to fumble and go 10 games without getting 100 yards this season.....He's a great back but even he isn't a "generational player". he finished over 700 yards behind Chris Johnson and 5th in the league in yardage, he's led the league in rushing all of one season, he's a mediocre receiver out of the backfield, and has been injury prone in the past. Don't crown him too early, CP has still had the better career by far. Would I take him over any back we have today? In a heartbeat, but lets see where he is in 5 years before you start calling him generational.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Not to take anything away from Peterson but how good would he be if he were a Redskin? I mean he is running behind Steve Hutchinson and Bryant McKinnie. Both are first rounders and one was a top ten pick.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 23, 2010 1:09 PM

How good is Laron Landry as a Redskin?

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

There have been reports that the Dept of the Interior is monitoring whether the Snydr Hatr should be put on the endanered feces list because:

1. That bug-eyed butt boy Vinny The Ninny was canned.
2. La CaCa is la bye bye.
3. The Skins surveyed their season ticket holders to find out how their experience can be improved.
4. The Skins hired the best coach available and gave him control.
5. The dude hired an honest-to-God GM.

Posted by: BirnamWood | February 23, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

"Generational talent??? I watched plenty of games of his this year, I watched him be a very above average player and good return guy. This against the SEC. Even their bowl game against VT, he flashed a few times but was hardly dominant in any way. The only guy I've heard anyone say could be a generational player is Mays because of his size speed combo, but Berry? Come on....neither one of them is worth a top 5 pick because we're talking about a freaking safety.....do this for me, go down the list of people you would take 1st and foremost if you had to start a team today and tell me how long it takes until you get to a safety.....

Posted by: zjfr2"

No offense, and I'm not pretending to be a college football guru, but I'll take the word of numerous analysts that compare Eric Berry to Ed Reed, all of whom list Berry as the consensus #1 safety head and shoulders above Taylor Mays.

As for the other points:

(1) Safety has become the predominant defensive position in football over the last decade. If you were starting a defense with any player from their prime in the last decade, your top 3 selections would probably be Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, and Troy Polumalu in some order. Best player on the Saints' defense? Sharper. James Harrison won DPOY for the Steelers last year, but Polumalu is the glue that makes that defense work (see Steelers defense this year without Polumalu). When the Colts won the SB, DPOY was Bob Sanders.

Posted by: psps23 | February 23, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2010 1:15 PM

Dude, Nobody is saying Taylor Mays is even an above average player, Mays will go 20+ picks after Berry. Mays can’t cover his shadow and projects to be a SS, sound familiar. The only difference is that Mays couldn't hold Landry's jock in college. It’s even more laughable that you downgrade the SEC in your evaluation.

You're off on this one, Berry is the consensus 1st or 2nd best player available in the draft.

Peyton Manning and the rest of the NFL elite are not available in this draft, so your list is meaningless. You can only select from the talent pool available and if Okung is gone and they can’t trade back, then they should jump all over Berry.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

"Not to take anything away from Peterson but how good would he be if he were a Redskin?"

My guess is he'd still be significantly better than Portis and Betts. I can't remember the last guy I've seen with that combination of power, speed, quickness, and determination when running the ball.

Posted by: psps23 | February 23, 2010 1:16 PM
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Jim Brown

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

ryp, COPIED and PASTED VERBATIM....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 23, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Report: Top four teams have discussed trading down
Posted by Mike Florio on February 23, 2010 1:22 PM ET
Amid rumors that the Rams have talked about trading out of the first overall pick and a report that the Lions have talked about sliding out the second spot. 2, Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that each of the teams holding the top four picks -- the Rams, Lions, Buccaneers, and Redskins -- have had talks regarding the possibility of moving back.

The problem is finding someone who will be willing to trade up. With this year's talent pool believed to be as deep as ever, teams will be less willing to give up multiple picks than in the past. And with a rookie wage scale not yet implemented, the teams who pick in the top five or so this year will have the privilege of likely being the last to cough up gigantic contracts for unproven players.

Then there's the outdated chart that assigns a point value to draft picks. Last year, the Chiefs tried to trade the third overall pick to the Lions in exchange for the 20th overall pick and the first pick in round two. The proposed swap created a gap of 770 points based on the chart -- and the Lions still said no.

So unless one team decides that there's one guy who stands head, shoulders, and other body parts ahead of the other incoming rookies, the chances of a trade being accomplished are slim.

Maybe, in the end, we'll finally see a team intentionally pass.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 23, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

One thing is absolutely certain there will be a QB selected this year as with all NFL teams, when there is a change in coaching and front office personel they will bring in a young gun to groom. Not 100% finished with JC17 but if he performs the way we all know him to, his replacement will be waiting in the wings.

Posted by: sthai75 | February 23, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Report: Top four teams have discussed trading down
Posted by Mike Florio on February 23, 2010 1:22 PM ET
Amid rumors that the Rams have talked about trading out of the first overall pick and a report that the Lions have talked about sliding out the second spot. 2, Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that each of the teams holding the top four picks -- the Rams, Lions, Buccaneers, and Redskins -- have had talks regarding the possibility of moving back.

The problem is finding someone who will be willing to trade up. With this year's talent pool believed to be as deep as ever, teams will be less willing to give up multiple picks than in the past. And with a rookie wage scale not yet implemented, the teams who pick in the top five or so this year will have the privilege of likely being the last to cough up gigantic contracts for unproven players.

Then there's the outdated chart that assigns a point value to draft picks. Last year, the Chiefs tried to trade the third overall pick to the Lions in exchange for the 20th overall pick and the first pick in round two. The proposed swap created a gap of 770 points based on the chart -- and the Lions still said no.

So unless one team decides that there's one guy who stands head, shoulders, and other body parts ahead of the other incoming rookies, the chances of a trade being accomplished are slim.

Maybe, in the end, we'll finally see a team intentionally pass.

Posted by: TWISI | February 23, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: BirnamWood | February 23, 2010 1:26 PM |

But their Bureau of Species Population Management is thinking about harvesting some of the Camp Hatr species because of how large the growth surge has been.

Posted by: BirnamWood | February 23, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

My guess is he'd still be significantly better than Portis and Betts. I can't remember the last guy I've seen with that combination of power, speed, quickness, and determination when running the ball.

Posted by: psps23 | February 23, 2010 1:16 P

But what about the OLine?

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 23, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

wish the Skins still had that Jarmon 3rd round pick. In this years Draft, he probably would of been available in the 5th.
(btw, Vinny's last day, at the Park, is Friday)

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

"Generational talent??? I watched plenty of games of his this year, I watched him be a very above average player and good return guy. This against the SEC. Even their bowl game against VT, he flashed a few times but was hardly dominant in any way. The only guy I've heard anyone say could be a generational player is Mays because of his size speed combo, but Berry? Come on....neither one of them is worth a top 5 pick because we're talking about a freaking safety.....do this for me, go down the list of people you would take 1st and foremost if you had to start a team today and tell me how long it takes until you get to a safety.....

Posted by: zjfr2"

No offense, and I'm not pretending to be a college football guru, but I'll take the word of numerous analysts that compare Eric Berry to Ed Reed, all of whom list Berry as the consensus #1 safety head and shoulders above Taylor Mays.

As for the other points:

(1) Safety has become the predominant defensive position in football over the last decade. If you were starting a defense with any player from their prime in the last decade, your top 3 selections would probably be Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, and Troy Polumalu in some order. Best player on the Saints' defense? Sharper. James Harrison won DPOY for the Steelers last year, but Polumalu is the glue that makes that defense work (see Steelers defense this year without Polumalu). Arizona's key cog was Adrian Wilson for their playoff run. When the Colts won the SB, DPOY was Bob Sanders. Polumalu was the guy yet again in Pitt when they won their first with Big Ben. For years, Philly was the preeminent defense in the NFC, largely due to Brian Dawkins. When he moved to Denver, their defense went from putrid to one of the league's best.

(2) No I would not select a safety first in starting a team, but that argument only holds water when comparing equal talents at every position. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen in the draft. Every position has a varying degree of talent, and this year, it seems that the top 3 players happen to be 2 DTs and a S. If you had a choice between the next Peyton and the next Reed, obviously you choose Peyton. But if the choice is the next Reed or the next, say, Carson Palmer? You'd have a really tough decision there.

And I'm not saying I'd select Berry at #4 if he's there, just saying that it's extremely narrow-minded to pass over what could be an exceptional talent like Berry because we're at #4, especially considering our secondary is far from the strength of this team.

Posted by: psps23 | February 23, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

shanny's got the cache to keep TO in line....so a WR lineup of TO/Moss/DT/MK/MM seems like it could be good.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 23, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Maybe, in the end, we'll finally see a team intentionally pass.

Posted by: TWISI | February 23, 2010 1:35 PM

Clarify, I know this as passing the pick, just really has a team just dropping down a spot. I don't understand why any teams haven't practice this concept. At least I've never witness this happening. To me makes all the sense in the world to save money and get the guy at the draft spot you believe he's worth.

Posted by: sthai75 | February 23, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

But their Bureau of Species Population Management is thinking about harvesting some of the Camp Hatr species because of how large the growth surge has been.

Posted by: BirnamWood | February 23, 2010 1:35 PM
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Animal Planet:
Soup Slurpers Nearing Extinction.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

anyone know why Jevan Snead dropped to a 4th round projection? He was a 1st round projection, one year ago, along with Bradford.
Seems like a hellava drop if for no other reason than a average senior year... ?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

I saw him play three times. He came up small in every occasion. I think the Cardinals have a term for it...

He looked overmatched, frozen, and scared.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 23, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

"But what about the OLine?

Posted by: 4thFloor"

I didn't say he would put up the same stats he has in Minnesota, just that he would be better than Portis and Betts. By a lot.

Posted by: psps23 | February 23, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | February 23, 2010 1:35 PM

Nothing would happen until teams picking 2-5 are on the clock. This PFT update offers less than a BFT (BeanFootballTalk) update.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

McClain > Berry

Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

He looked overmatched, frozen, and scared.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 23, 2010 1:44 PM
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sounds like # 17. Lets Draft him!!!

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 23, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

You guys are killing me with Berry talk. He's not even in my top 5 of hopes for our pick if we're stuck at #4.

in order:
Okung/Davis
Clausen
Bradford
Trent Williams
Iupati
Spiller
Bryan Baluga

If miraculously all of these players were gone, then I would consider taking Berry. I'm not even trying to argue about his physical skill set (even though watching 6 of his games this year I saw all of one INT and a few nice returns). The guy had 2 INTs this season, if he was a corner then ok, they are throwing away from him but he's a safety. Sean Taylor's last year at Miami he had 10. In fact Taylor in two seasons of starting had 14 picks, Berry had 14 for his three year starting career. Is he impressive? Sure, is he top 5 worthy when you look at our team? Hells naw.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse


"Not to take anything away from Peterson but how good would he be if he were a Redskin?"

My guess is he'd still be significantly better than Portis and Betts. I can't remember the last guy I've seen with that combination of power, speed, quickness, and determination when running the ball.

Posted by: psps23 | February 23, 2010 1:16 PM
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Jim Brown

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 1:27 PM
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I would have said Sweetness. Peterson reminds me a lot of Payton in his early years.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Any1 remember Seahawks 1st round pick Aaron Curry?

There were 3 1st round linebackers selected after him that are better than him.

But supposedly Aaron was ready to play at a high level.

This happens every year folks. A player is overhyped when there is clearly better choices available. I remember never hearing Curry's name until the draft, despite knowing Orakpo, Cushing, and Matthews.

This year Suh fits the bill. I never heard of him until maybe month and a half ago. I watched one of his games and the other Nebraska DT will probably be a late 1st to mid 2nd round choice. I knew of Berry, but I'm still trying to figure out if he's better than Mays. No it's not obvious either.

LBF is getting old and a dominate MLB can set your D straight for years to come. McCLain is a beast! I haven't seen any1 on here pimp him the way I do. Remember who ya heard it from.

Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

"anyone know why Jevan Snead dropped to a 4th round projection? He was a 1st round projection, one year ago, along with Bradford.Seems like a hellava drop if for no other reason than a average senior year... ?"

But that's what it was. It's happened before. Dan Marino had a weak senior year. Of cours, he didn't fall all the way to the fourth round.

I suspect Snead won't either. It feels like something woofing on the part of teams that's getting buy-in from the draftniks. Snead was never a big-time Top Ten QB talent, but neither is he lower than a second rounder. It probably hurt him not to have Michael Oher blocking, too.

He's a guy with good skills and good natural talent who should be overvalued like most QBs but instead is somewhat undervalued. Be interesting to see where he actually goes.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 23, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Its stunning how much this team has invested in the secondary, only to have a mediocre secondary.

Obviously the loss of Sean Taylor has something to do with it.

Landry and Rogers were both top 10 picks. Hall was also a top 10 pick, though not by us. Smoot was a 2nd rounder. Barnes and Tryon were 3rd and 4th round picks.

Free agents/trades include Springs (another top 10 draft pick) and Arch. Plus a ton of guys that have rotated thru (Fox, Prioleau, Torrence, Maclin, Rumph, Vincent, Harris, etc).

Yet, the roster includes Moore, Doughty and Horton.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

"but lets see where he is in 5 years before you start calling him generational.

Posted by: zjfr2"

Fine, Peterson isn't a generational RB, and Berry isn't a generation prospect at S.

God forbid Berry is only as talented at safety as Peterson is at RB. No way that would be worth it as a top 5 pick.

Posted by: psps23 | February 23, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Just as an aside, one of the classic draft mistakes is to overvalue somebody in a skill position (like QB) based on a spectacular last year. Jamarcus Russell and Vince Young are illustrations; to a lesser extent, so is Jason Campbell. It's easy to convince yourself that young players just took a little while to grow up and have now, finally, turned the corner. Then you draft them and discover the 'corner' is still firmly in place in front of them.

It's a big transition from college to pro, and if you played in an unorthodox offense that doesn't match what you'll see in the NFL, the transition is just that much bigger.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 23, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

reading this talk of Shanny building an OLine that is lighter and faster on their feet for his zone blocking schemes..
Does anyone else recall how his Denver OLine started "gassing it" toward the end of games??
Basically NFC East DLines were wearing them down by the fourth qtr just on the weight mismatch alone. 'Hope Shanny remembers this.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 23, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Right Now.

Taylor Mays is the best secondary prospect I see in this draft.

I saw McCluster give Eric Berry the business when Ole Miss smoked Tennessee this past year.

Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Did Vicc just write a post without hating on Jason Campbell? Wow....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 23, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Give Levi Jones a shot.

O-linemen can also run block and Levi may not have been an upgrade for Campbell, but he sure helped open some holes for Ganther!

Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm fessing up. Was a big Curry fan. He was the only guy I thought it'd be worth trading up for. Thought he'd be a beast -- not so much sacking QBs, but tackling, coverage, turnovers and getting behind the OL for plays in the backfield. Turns out, not so much. Not sure why.

Didn't see much of Seattle play, but when I did, Curry was invisible.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

wish the Skins still had that Jarmon 3rd round pick. In this years Draft, he probably would of been available in the 5th.
(btw, Vinny's last day, at the Park, is Friday)

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 1:39 PM


Jarmon would have been a 2nd/3rd round pick this year....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 23, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I also like McClain from Bama U. Probably not worth the 4, but if you can't trade out of the pick, you have to grab somebody. I hear he is a student of the game, and ran the show on the field for that D.

I also hope Berry falls to 4, not so the Redskins can get him, but because he is a player other teams (SFO?) would come get if he is there.

At the end of the day... If i could not get out of the 4 spot, I would go ahead and take an OT with Okung being my first choice. At some point, if a guy isn't the absolute best, isn't he "good enough" if he can likely anchor your left side for 10 years? Okung has that potential, and would be a safe pick.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 23, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Did Vicc just write a post without hating on Jason Campbell? Wow....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 23, 2010 2:01 PM

Wrong Vic. Vicc is a cartoonist. Vic1 hates JC.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Did Vicc just write a post without hating on Jason Campbell? Wow....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 23, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse


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There are about 20 Vicc posts here without him even mentioning that loser. lol

Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

My bad...sorry Vicc!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 23, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Jarmon would have been a 2nd/3rd round pick this year....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 23, 2010 2:07 PM
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you better share those meds....

2nd round picks this year are comparable to 1st rounders any other year.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 23, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

This site will crash under the weight of all these posts if LEE doesn't do something in the way of a new article PDQ.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 23, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Eagles to release Westbrook...

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

There are about 20 Vicc posts here without him even mentioning that loser. lol

Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010 2:08 PM

And this could have been #21. But, sadly ....

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

shanny's got the cache to keep TO in line....so a WR lineup of TO/Moss/DT/MK/MM seems like it could be good.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 23, 2010 1:43 PM |

From the Dept of Woids:

cache = hoard
cachet = a mark or quality, as of distinction, individuality, or authenticity

Not even sure cachet is the right word for the thought you are trying to express. It is more like "commanding respect" than cachet.

Posted by: BirnamWood | February 23, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Westbrook, Brian.....

Sign him....He's a Redskins Fan wiht something left in the tank...

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 23, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

"...anyone know why Jevan Snead dropped to a 4th round projection?"


He dropped because he's garbage.

The kid needs to stay in school.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

LaDainian Thomlinson to the Eagles?

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 23, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Eagles to release Westbrook...

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 2:13 PM
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Sad ending to a great career.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 23, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I love trending.

I believe I was the one of the few a few months back that was saying that if Eric Berry is available at four, you don't pass on dude.

psps23 nailed it, safety is very important these days since the NFL has become a passing league. If you have two safeties that can take away the intermediate and long ball stuff, the offense can only rely on screens, slants, and the running game. How exactly has that worked out for the Redskins?

**Cork you're a dollar short and a day late. F you!**

Posted by: RedDMV | February 23, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

glar- you must be bouncing back and forth from the Wiz blog. If the wiz keep winning they may be selecting in the 5th spot again. Maybe we can get Mike Miller back in another trade a pick for 2 very average player deals.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Westbrook, Brian.....

Sign him....He's a Redskins Fan wiht something left in the tank...

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 23, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

No thanks. He's older and more injured than Portis.

All things being equal, I'd take a shot on LT before Westbrook.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | February 23, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

The draft has become something it was never intended to become. Nominally, it was intended to give poorer teams a chance to get better talent so they could be more competitive.

Now, however, its become a perverse game of high risk, modest reward. The riosk is high because teams at the top of the draft have to invest a ton of money into that pick, limiting what they can do elsewhere. Modest reward since poor teams usually need help in lots of places -- and one player, even a very good one, can only make a modest difference if there are 21 other so-so starters.

Basketball is the exact opposite, with only 5 starters, one great guy can turn a team around.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

"....A "Matt Leinert" comes to mind.
If a SS or Oline guy drafted at #4 turns out average.. you got nothing."


Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Dude, bad example. No one here wants a MATT LEINERT over RUSSELL OKUNG. They want PEYTON MANNING over RUSSELL OKUNG. And that's what scouts are for. To be as certain as one can be that an OKUNG trumps a LEINERT.

Now if I thought either BRADFORD or CLAUSEN would be significantly better that OKUNG I'd be all for it. But I'm not convinced either will trump OKUNG - ever. Your argument does not persuade.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 23, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

"Basically NFC East DLines were wearing them down by the fourth qtr just on the weight mismatch alone. 'Hope Shanny remembers this."



Do some research, guy.

The broncos rushing attack averaged 4.3 yards against NFC East teams last year.

If the broncos had continued rushing in the skins game after Orton got hurt, I bet Moreno would've had a 100 yards plus.

But look up and average out how the broncos did on the ground against philly, the jints, the skins, and dallas.

They did much better than you think.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Basketball is the exact opposite, with only 5 starters, one great guy can turn a team around.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

good point; see Durant, Kevin

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 23, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

With the releases of Tomlinson and Westbrook (impending), I just don't see how Portis is not expendable...

Seems like teams are toasting farewell to the RBs of the early 2000s -- Tomlinson, Alexander, Westbrook, E. James... That would include Portis as well.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 23, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Westbrook, Brian.....

Sign him....He's a Redskins Fan wiht something left in the tank...

Posted by: 4thFloor

its not what is in the tank, its what's between the ears -- and that bell's been rung.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

glar- you must be bouncing back and forth from the Wiz blog. If the wiz keep winning they may be selecting in the 5th spot again. Maybe we can get Mike Miller back in another trade a pick for 2 very average player deals.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Yes my man, my pick-up is full of guns and flags. Yee-Haw.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 23, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

its not what is in the tank, its what's between the ears -- and that bell's been rung.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Woo-Hoo, LOL. LOL.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 23, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

"All things being equal, I'd take a shot on LT before Westbrook."

My eyes are on L Washington and R Bush.

They are both younger players than LT.

And each is the kind of dynamic player the skins presently lack.

Washington would make a better back up running back and Bush would take over where ARE never took off.

Both are stellar return guys, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

for those who come to the Bay Area and want good food ...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/scavenger/detail?entry_id=57772&tsp=1

some funny comments below the article

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"Basically NFC East DLines were wearing them down by the fourth qtr just on the weight mismatch alone. 'Hope Shanny remembers this."

Do some research, guy.

The broncos rushing attack averaged 4.3 yards against NFC East teams last year.

If the broncos had continued rushing in the skins game after Orton got hurt, I bet Moreno would've had a 100 yards plus.

But look up and average out how the broncos did on the ground against philly, the jints, the skins, and dallas.

They did much better than you think.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2010 2:23 PM
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See Super Bowl XXXII for the advantages of having a lighter, more agile offensive line with better endurance.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Basketball is the exact opposite, with only 5 starters, one great guy can turn a team around.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

good point; see Durant, Kevin

Posted by: JohnDinHouston

Um, they have DMV's own (along with Durant) Jeff Green. And the boy from UCLA Westbrook. Those young ballers play ball. But Durant.... man sure would be nice for the Wizards to sit out of the 2010 NBA free agency sweepstakes and try and sign Durant in 2011. The phone booth would be full of #35 Wizards jerseys every night.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 23, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Basketball is the exact opposite, with only 5 starters, one great guy can turn a team around.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

good point; see Durant, Kevin

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 23, 2010 2:23 PM

Better point; see Oden, Greg...Serious injury red flags and drafted before Durant.

Not sure why any team would take such a gamble on a guy with a top pick that has injury concerns.

Even more of a gamble in the NFL where there isn't a rookie wage scale.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

True, Red - you've got to have the supporting cast -

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 23, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

glar- you must be bouncing back and forth from the Wiz blog. If the wiz keep winning they may be selecting in the 5th spot again. Maybe we can get Mike Miller back in another trade a pick for 2 very average player deals.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse


Yeah, Mike will be better as the kick out shooter/option. The Wiz just need to pick up a stud in a talent rich draft, such as the upcoming.

The NBA is fun to watch for individual talent. Otherwise it's pretty mundane when considering the past 30 championships have been won by a total of 8 different teams. That trend will sadly continue this year when, realistically, the next 4-5 championships will be won by any of these teams: L.A. + Cleveland(Or wherever Lebron plays) + Orlando.

The Wiz just need to get their 'Alexander Oveckin' to be playoff contenders year in and year out.

Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm guessing Shanahan doesn't invest much into the RBs until he gets the OL in place. It won't be LT or Westbrook. If its Bush or Leon Washington, it'll be mostly for special teams.

Sanahan has found RBs that no one knew anything about before and they played well for him. Peyton Hillis -- I don't think his mother had even heard of him before Shanahan started him.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Kevin Durant to DC would be too good to be true.

Kid is great.

Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Vicc, Joe Haden is the best secondary prospect in this draft. He's a freakish athlete. I saw him play in HS where he played QB. He holds the Maryland public school record for passing yards and passing TDs.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 23, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

The Wiz just need to get their 'Alexander Oveckin' to be playoff contenders year in and year out.

Posted by: Vicc

= Kevin Durant in 2011

If Leonsis buys the team (I wish they'd hurry up) they have that in Durant.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 23, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I still want us to sign FS Sharper and keep Clinton Portis. He's got a lot left.

Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Moe-

The Jets will most likely cut Jones and keep Washington since he is a RFA. Greene and Wash would be the Jets 1-2 combo.

Bush would be intriguing if cut. Homerun speed, great 3rd down back, and would immensely upgrade the return game. Plus Kim kard's fine azz would be at Fed ex.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I saw McCluster give Eric Berry the business when Ole Miss smoked Tennessee this past year.

Posted by: Vicc

McCluster would do that to Mays even worse, probably to most safeties. Mays takes bad angles just like LL.

LT won't come to the Skins, he has been quoted as saying he wants to go help someone win a championship. We're not that close.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | February 23, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

"Mike Maycock agrees Redskins should target quarterback in NFL draft"


Who cares what Mike thinks right?

Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

If the Wizards do get in the 2010 FA sweeptakes, then I'd like to see Dwayne Wade in D.C.

If they sit out then they should the 'Durantula' in 2011.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 23, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Berry and McCluster in the Draft y'all... draft a offensive linemen in between with another signed in free agency.

Eagles have released Westbrook.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 23, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor

its not what is in the tank, its what's between the ears -- and that bell's been rung.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 2:25 PM

True.....I forgot who much he whined about the concussion problems....I'm over it already...I was just thinking about the experince/leadership qaulities he possesed to get to where he is now...

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 23, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

wish the Skins still had that Jarmon 3rd round pick. In this years Draft, he probably would of been available in the 5th.
(btw, Vinny's last day, at the Park, is Friday)

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 1:39 PM

I'd rather have Jarmon. He made plays when he was in there, and LDE was a position of need, with Daniels and Wynn practically drawing Social Security and Carter not being stout enough against the run to play there full-time. Plus, now we have a promising youngster with a year under his belt, instead of a rookie for this upcoming season.

Posted by: rbpalmer | February 23, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Carter not being stout enough against the run to play there full-time

wow........thats just..wow...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 23, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Dude, bad example. No one here wants a MATT LEINERT over RUSSELL OKUNG. They want PEYTON MANNING over RUSSELL OKUNG. And that's what scouts are for. To be as certain as one can be that an OKUNG trumps a LEINERT.

Now if I thought either BRADFORD or CLAUSEN would be significantly better that OKUNG I'd be all for it. But I'm not convinced either will trump OKUNG - ever. Your argument does not persuade.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 23, 2010 2:22 PM
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??? I think you misunderstood the posting.. The Draft is a crap shoot (how many QBs selected 6 rounds before Brady??)..

OLine and QB are equal Needs for the Skins...

JC is subpar when compared to the other NFC East QBs.

And the Skins OLine needs to be seriously upgraded but will not be fixed with one OLine draftee..

You dont know that Okung will be successful anymore than Bradford....
But, if an Okung turns our less than average and Bradford also turns out less than average... Who has the better value, trade or otherwise? The skilled position, Bradford.

Conversely, if Okung is, as advertised and Bradford is, as advertised, who has the most impact in improving the Skins? Again, its Bradford.

Only once, in 25 years, did Polian take a OLine guy in the First round (OT Tony Ugoh) and he regretted it later.. for these same reasons..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Eric Berry. While I do think free safety should be a draft priority, there are other guys who should be around in a later, more reasonable round, like the 4th. I like everything I've read or youtubed about Myron Rolle ... and Kam Chancellor is kind of local(ish). They are about the same height, weight, and speed.

Sean Taylor still has not been replaced at free safety (even though he and Landry seemed like they could do either interchangably, including within a play). I think its much more important to replace Chris Samuels, as well as Randy Thomas. Portis SHOULD be replaced, but if he's healthy enough to get some quantity of carries, might as well make him earn his guaranteed money. I will accept the argument that Campbell SHOULD be replaced, but I cannot agree that he MUST be replaced ... I'm just too tired to keep trying to argue about how they could only run the portion of the playbook that called for 3 step and 5 step drops. I also get that, regardless of whether QB is should or must, a new coach and offensive coordinator probably skips over must/should and goes directly to "will".

Posted by: dcsween | February 23, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Carter not being stout enough against the run to play there full-time

wow........thats just..wow...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1


In a 3-4, probably not.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 23, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: dcsween | February 23, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

You dont know that Okung will be successful anymore than Bradford....
But, if an Okung turns our less than average and Bradford also turns out less than average... Who has the better value, trade or otherwise? The skilled position, Bradford.

SkinsneedaGM-

Wrong, for top 10 players...If you draft a OT and he turns out less than average you can move him to RT or even OG. If a QB turns out to be less than average he can't play another position and the organization is set back 3-5 years.

What part of injury red flag do you not get with drafting a QB with a torn AC joint.

OL is a need and Okung = Minimal risk.
QB is a want and Bradford = High risk

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Dan Marino had a weak senior year.

He also had a penchant for Peruvian marching powder.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 23, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Dan Marino had a weak senior year.

He also had a penchant for Peruvian marching powder.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 23, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

This is the first time the Post has ever indicated that making moves in an uncapped year is more difficult with respect to Campbell or otherwise. These issues need to be clarified definitively by a good reporter.

Posted by: 4472jon | February 24, 2010 7:00 AM | Report abuse

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