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Shanahan evaluates Redskins' performance in his first draft


The Post's Dan Steinberg was at FedEx Field all day Saturday, and he was onhand as Coach Mike Shanahan met with reporters to discuss a variety of Redskins topics.

On the weekend: "It has been a long day, but it's been a lot of fun. [We] got a lot done, ended the draft, and obviously we now start going in a different direction, getting ready for our minicamps, and get our players together, and just trying to put it all together."

On the draft: "It's just not the draft today, when you think about it, you got Trent Williams, but with your second-round pick you got a guy like Donovan McNabb. That doesn't happen very often. With your third-round pick [taken in last summer's supplemental draft], you're looking at Jeremy Jarmon. Even though he had an ACL [tear], I think he can come back this year and really help us.

"And then you take a look at Perry [Riley] and you're saying, 'Hey, you got an inside linebacker.' With a fifth-round pick [via trade with St. Louis] you take a guy like Adam Carriker that we believe can help us at the defensive end position -- the 13th pick in the first round, I really think he fits our system very well.

"Then you take a look at the sixth-round pick and you take a look at a guy like Dennis Morris, played both the fullback, the tight end, the H-back position. Then we have three seventh-round draft choices, and you take a look at a punt returner/kick returner in a guy like [Terrence] Austin. Then you've got [Selvish] Capers and [Erik] Cook, two offensive linemen.

"So at the end of the day, even though we didn't have a lot of draft choices, we felt we got a lot done through free agency, through the draft and a couple trades here and there, and now we get a chance to start working."

On trading Jason Campbell: "I had talked to Jason, and I've got a lot
of respect for Jason, and once we made the trade with Donovan, I said to Jason we'll give him every opportunity that we think that we can do to help him out. And obviously him and his agent looked around and he gave us the opportunity to talk to different teams. And when we talked to the Raiders, we felt like he's at a position where he has a chance to compete for the starting job, and that's what he wanted.

"He's been a class act here. I've had a chance to spend a lot of time with him, and I'm happy for him. I think he gets a chance to turn a page and to start in a new direction. I think he'll do a great job."

On being competitive in 2010: "We're trying to always get better. You're always getting better and you've got to be always ready to compete. But I think we made some strides. I've spent three days with our players at the minicamp, I thought the minicamp went great. As a new head coach, you have three minicamps. We've got one in a couple weeks [May 7-9].

"I'm really looking forward to that minicamp, to get a chance to evaluate more of our players, get a chance to look at some of our new players coming in, both the draft choices and some of the free agents, and then we've got a chance to start our OTAs. We've got 14 days of that where they can get used to our system, and in some areas if we feel a little short we can go out there and try to make some trades, or we can take a look at some guys that have been released. So this is part of the process, as a coaching staff you get to put in your playbook from an offensive perspective, defense. So a lot's done in a short amount of time, but I'm very happy where we're at."

On expectations for Trent Williams: "I mean, he's been a four-year
starter at Oklahoma. He's got some huge expectations. And when you're drafted the fourth pick in the first round, you understand that there's a lot of pressure on you, and he's competed against some of the best. So we're gonna throw him in there, get his feet wet very quickly, and I think he'll respond."

On Albert Haynesworth: "I always expect the best from people. We've
invested a lot in him. Hopefully he comes out and he wants to compete, he wants to win. This is all about winning. We want people that want to win and can help us win, and hopefully Albert will be one of those guys."

On whether the team is ready for minicamp: "Yeah, we made some
strides. We're not done yet. We're gonna still be looking over obviously the wire relative to free agency. We'll get a chance to evaluate our football team a little bit more in the next minicamp. And like I said, it's a day-to-day process. We're gonna keep on trying to
get better so that we can do the things that we're capable of doing. That's our ultimate goal."

By Rick Maese  |  April 25, 2010; 7:00 AM ET
Categories:  Mike Shanahan , NFL Draft  
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Comments

Rome wasn't built in one day, neither was Buffalo. So far the FO has been solid and the draft looks to be a good one based on drafting for need.

Are we better than we were last season at this time? No question.

Still a lot of question marks, but I'm satisfied with everything thus far.

Posted by: JSchon | April 25, 2010 7:19 AM | Report abuse

so who is available to get in the undrafted free agent market?

Posted by: temunley | April 25, 2010 7:21 AM | Report abuse

so who is available to get in the undrafted free agent market?

Posted by: temunley | April 25, 2010 7:21 AM | Report abuse

These are the only ones I have seen confirmed:
Logan Paulsen, TE, UCLA
Anderson Russell, FS, Ohio State
Marques Slocum, DT, Eastern Arizona

Posted by: frediefritz | April 25, 2010 7:35 AM | Report abuse

Donovan Warren from Michigan was undrafted. He was easily the best corner in the Big 10 conference and I think alot of football fans are shocked he wasn't drafted. I am really hoping Shanny calls him because he can help out in the secondary. I really believe he could start over butter fingers and make him expendable. Pick up the phone and get us Donovan Warren! Other than that, I think we had a great draft. I've never heard of the WR, TE or LB we took but the youtube video of the TE is awesome.

Posted by: fjd124 | April 25, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Confirmed where?

Posted by: RedBee | April 25, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 24, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone seen any confirmation on these rumors, or is it just conjecture?

Posted by: frediefritz | April 25, 2010 7:09 AM | Report abuse


JReid will cut-n-paste the confirmation for us as soon as ESPN reports it.

Posted by: p1funk | April 25, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Just confirmed that Donovan Warren has signed with the CB rich Jets...Crap!

Posted by: fjd124 | April 25, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Jevan Snead has signed with the Bucs, I was hoping that maybe we would bring him in to compete with Colt. I got that info from the Clarion Ledger.

Posted by: fjd124 | April 25, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

nepatriotsdraft.com That site is pretty accurate and up to date

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 25, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Confirmed where?

Posted by: RedBee | April 25, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/p/2010-nfl-undrafted-free-agents.html

Posted by: frediefritz | April 25, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Thanks. So either we don't report it, or we haven't signed many of these guys. Disappointing.

Posted by: RedBee | April 25, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

I cannot find anything on Anderson Russell as far as him signing with us. What I have found from Buckeye.com is a short bio saying "Russell seemed to regress as he got older. He showed poor hands during his career and a tendency to get beat in coverage..." We already have this roll filled by LaRon and Carlos so I hope we don't bring him in, Ohio Stae guys are always over rated and over valued. Outside of Joey Galloway, Shawn Springs, Orlando Pace and Nate Clements, most have had poor careers.

Posted by: fjd124 | April 25, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Thanks. So either we don't report it, or we haven't signed many of these guys. Disappointing.

Posted by: RedBee | April 25, 2010 8:12 AM

Disappointing? Redskins have made it a practice not to announce the names until they've finished signing everyone. But let me ask you this: What difference does it make whether you get this list of names today or tomorrow?

Posted by: League-Source | April 25, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Ohio Stae guys are always over rated and over valued.

Posted by: fjd124 | April 25, 2010 8:14 AM |

The guy is an undrafted free agent. How can you be more underrated or undervalued than that? Some of these guys will be cut after the first minicamp.

Posted by: League-Source | April 25, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Too bad the Skins could not have gotten more for Campbell. A fourth round pick two years from now is practically a give-away. You had posters on this blog who would site stats to attest to him being a good QB with a lot of potential. And you also had that NFL East blog dude defending him from time to time. I guess one problem was that Oakland was probably the only interested party out there.

Posted by: FourthAndOne | April 25, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Sorry. I meant cite instead of site.

Posted by: FourthAndOne | April 25, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Shanny would make a good politician. DNabb our #2 pick; Jarmon our #3. Nice spin.

Posted by: jfoster13 | April 25, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Mike Tanier on why it's so hard to evaluate Ga Tech RBs like Jonathan Dwyer (and as a result, scares some teams off):

"Dwyer is a single setback in the flexbone, standing about where an NFL fullback stands. He often gets the ball on simple dive plays, but he's never running against a stacked interior line. Those wingbacks are always threatening to take an option pitch, and quarterback Josh Nesbitt ran for 1,037 yards and 18 touchdowns himself. Inside linebackers must mind their keys, and they often follow Nesbitt to the outside while Dwyer rumbles past them with the ball. Safeties are nowhere to be found on Dwyer's longest runs because they are aligned close to the line of scrimmage, occupying option pitch lanes.

Again, the scheme does much of the work, and Dwyer gets the production.

Georgia Tech is the most extreme example of a system so unique that it makes scouting difficult. Even veteran scouts have a hard time separating the player from the system when watching such an unusual scheme."

Posted by: Samson151 | April 25, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

I was just stating an opinion that Ohio State guys are over rated and over valued. Yes, they are better athaletes than you or I because they either got scholarships or walked on to Ohio State and yes alot of them get drafted and have terrible careers. I can assure you that the list of guys who have had great careers, such as Spielmann, Pace, etc is far shorter than the list of guys who were great. My roommate backed up Spielmann and he's die hard Ohio State and he'll tell you the same thing. I have a co-worker whose brother played corner for Ohio sate during the same time frame and he'll tell you the same thing. They are great college players but most are below average players in the NFL.

Posted by: fjd124 | April 25, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Posted by Mike Florio, PFT, on April 25, 2010 8:26 AM ET
Once the NFL draft ends, teams are allowed to being the process of wooing players who weren't drafted with contract offers. Before the NFL draft ends, players may be contacted by teams who are interested in signing them to free-agent contracts. As NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told us a year ago at this time, discussions regarding the terms of a free-agent contract may not commence until Mr. Irrelevant makes his appearance.

"Teams can express an interest to a player before the Draft concludes," Aiello said, "but cannot negotiate until the Draft concludes."

A reader points out that, when the Titans picked Brown tackle David Howard in the seventh-round, the Ivy Leaguer "was on the verge of signing a free agent contract with the Raiders or Ravens," according to Jim Wyatt of the Tennessean. This strongly implies that there was something more than an expression of interest by Oakland or Baltimore.

That said, we don't expect the NFL to do anything about it. If/when the topic lands on the league's radar, Howard likely will claim that he was merely assuming that a contract would be offered once the draft ended. Even if both teams had made clear offers as to the signing bonus that would be added to the mandatory minimum base salaries on a two- or three-year deal, it will be easy for the teams and the player to deny it.

And like the tampering that routinely occurs before the start of veteran free agency and at other times throughout the NFL year, the league simply isn't inclined to chase teams that break the rules -- possibly because the league realizes that everyone does it.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 25, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

The Skins did about as well as they could have with the draft in terms of shoring up areas of need such as LT and QB. One big challenge in front of them is coaching the defense. You have disgruntled and undisciplined types that could drag things down but you also have a lot of talent that with the right kind of coaching could excel. There is a wide range of expectations as to what will happen with this unit in 2010.

Posted by: FourthAndOne | April 25, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Just confirmed that Donovan Warren has signed with the CB rich Jets...Crap!

Posted by: fjd124 | April 25, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse


Think the Jets have fresh memories of that AFC matchup with the Colts???

Posted by: p1funk | April 25, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Marques Slocum: 6'4" tall, 347 pounds. Chap ran a 5.2 40yd, benched 225 33 times, 26" verticle, 35" arms, and had a 7.7 second three cone drill.

Posted by: fjd124 | April 25, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

"

Too bad the Skins could not have gotten more for Campbell. A fourth round pick two years from now is practically a give-away. You had posters on this blog who would site stats to attest to him being a good QB with a lot of potential. And you also had that NFL East blog dude defending him from time to time. I guess one problem was that Oakland was probably the only interested party out there.Posted by: FourthAndOne"

I was surprised they traded him on draft day -- that's not exactly prime time for vet QBs. As has happened in the past, some of the higher-rated rookie QBs fell out of the first round (Clausen and McCoy, Pike and LeFevour) and removed some of the pressure to pick one early. My guess is Oakland made an offer and the Skins decided to take it, without a whole lot of reflection, based on what they'd heard from other teams to date. The team might have picked up more in exchange if they'd waited until, say, training camp, but the contract made that costly.

Besides, have you noticed how valuable draft choices have become? Something that first occurred to me some years back when St Louis picked up Marshall Faulk for what, a third and a fifth? If the Skins had been willing to take vets in exchange for Campbell, they might have gotten a higher profile player. But now of course, they've got two picks that could even be traded in the future.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 25, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Shanny would make a good politician. DNabb our #2 pick; Jarmon our #3. Nice spin.

Posted by: jfoster13 | April 25, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse


We'll hear the spin again next year when the Eagles are picking with our 3rd or 4th rounder.

It'll be great!

It's gonna be like drafting McNabb all over again!

We're gonna have 2 McNabbs!

Yay trade!

Posted by: p1funk | April 25, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Shanny would make a good politician. DNabb our #2 pick; Jarmon our #3. Nice spin.

Posted by: jfoster13 | April 25, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse
I don't understand your comment, jfoster. Each team is assigned one draft choice for each of the 7 rounds of the draft. Then some additional picks are handed out as compensation for players lost in free agency. Teams can use those picks as they see fit.

We traded our 2nd pick to Philthy for DMN. And we used our 3rd pick in 2010 to take JJ last spring in the supplemental draft. How is that spin?

Posted by: frediefritz | April 25, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

"Marques Slocum: 6'4" tall, 347 pounds. Chap ran a 5.2 40yd, benched 225 33 times, 26" verticle, 35" arms, and had a 7.7 second three cone drill.Posted by: fjd124"

Yeah, but what position does he play? Hope it's not CB/KR...

Posted by: Samson151 | April 25, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

I'll stay medium...

HTTR

Posted by: WRBD | April 25, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Samson--

Guy blames the system, not the scouts. They were making the same claims about the Georgia Tech receiver Demaryius Thomas. "It's a run-oriented offense. He didn't get enough action for the scouts to evaluate him." Thomas was the first WR off the boards, #22 to Denver.

Dwyer wasn't very good at the combine. Problem with all this draft stuff is the group think mentality. The draft gurus convince themselves some players are good, some are bad. Early on they convinced themselves that Dwyer was good and now question the professional scouts because Dwyer went in the sixth round. Who was wrong -- the professional scouts or the media draft gurus? I guess we'll find out in a couple of years. Even here, he went to the Steelers who might have the right "system" for Dwyer to do well.

Posted by: League-Source | April 25, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

"...let me ask you this: What difference does it make whether you get this list of names today or tomorrow?Posted by: League-Source"

But..but...but...but...but...

Posted by: Samson151 | April 25, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 24, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone seen any confirmation on these rumors, or is it just conjecture?

Posted by: frediefritz | April 25, 2010 7:09 AM | Report abuse

Sorry man, they're only rumors. I was not able to confirm them anywhere.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 25, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

"Shanny would make a good politician. DNabb our #2 pick; Jarmon our #3. Nice spin.Posted by: jfoster13"

Why is that spin? It's true, isn't it? The Iggles traded McNabb for two choices, one of which they won't get to use til next year. The Skins got Jarmon a year before they had to pay for him.

It's not a bad trade unless one or both doesn't work out.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 25, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

"Marques Slocum: 6'4" tall, 347 pounds. Chap ran a 5.2 40yd, benched 225 33 times, 26" verticle, 35" arms, and had a 7.7 second three cone drill.Posted by: fjd124"

Yeah, but what position does he play? Hope it's not CB/KR...

Posted by: Samson151 | April 25, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse
I think Slocum is the guy I heard had dropped out of college, did not play last year, or else played in a semi-pro league.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 25, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins were listed as one of the "losers" from this year's draft. I totally agree. It was the worst draft I remember them having in years. Maybe they'll quit trading picks for over the hill players.

The good news: the 2012 draft could be the deepest ever if there is a 2011 lockout and no draft is held. Could be two years worth of draft classes in one. So the second they got for Campbell could net second round talent.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/The-best-and-worst-of-the-2010-draft?urn=nfl,236463

Posted by: hrt22 | April 25, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

I was just stating an opinion that Ohio State guys are over rated and over valued.

Posted by: fjd124 | April 25, 2010 8:33 AM |

And I was just stating an opinion that you're mistaken. The particular guy that you were hammering on is an undrafted free agent. That's as low as you can get. Two or three of the undrafted free agents will be cut after minicamp.

And if you look at the draft yesterday, how many Ohio State guys were drafted and in which rounds? Four Ohio State players. One went in round 4 and the other three went in round 7. How are they "overvalued and overrated"?

Posted by: League-Source | April 25, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure why more teams don't use the old Beathard approach of trading away future picks for current ones. There were more rounds back then, but he specialized in swapping his first (usually a late first) for somebody else's second, often to fill a particular hole. Maybe the media hoopla around the first round makes that impossible -- too much fan grief.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 25, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Marques Slocum is a DT, more proof that we're trading Haynesworth for Cutler this week. Book it.

Posted by: League-Source | April 25, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Too bad the Skins could not have gotten more for Campbell. A fourth round pick two years from now is practically a give-away.

Posted by: FourthAndOne | April 25, 2010 8:22 AM


I wouldn't say "a give-away"...more like they got him on credit.

Considering a Super Bowl MVP got dealt for a 5th rounder this offseason, I'll take a 4th for Campbell and be happy with it. The way I see it, Campbell could be leaving Oakland the same time we're getting a return on the 4th rounder they gave us. If that pick is used on a guy who later becomes a solid starter (or better), we come out of that deal a big winner.

But it'll be at least 5 years before we even begin to know for sure.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 25, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

I'm happier than a pig in sh1t with this draft plus the trades. It's a simple concept that Shanahan follows and it is one that escaped Vinny's grasp: see a need, fill a need.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 25, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

"Problem with all this draft stuff is the group think mentality. The draft gurus convince themselves some players are good, some are bad. Early on they convinced themselves that Dwyer was good and now question the professional scouts because Dwyer went in the sixth round. Who was wrong -- the professional scouts or the media draft gurus?" Posted by: League-Source"

Far as I can tell, there's only one 'media draft guru' who actually evaluates talent the way a pro scout would, and that's Mayock. Brandt used to, but those days are long gone. The flaw is that Mayock can't possibly see that many players over the course of an off-season, so he tends to stick to candidates for the first few rounds.

Kiper annoys scouts and GMs until they give him an opinion. But now he's accused of shilling for Clausen. McShay, I think, just makes it up.

You get a big disconnect like SI's cover story about this being the year of the 'franchise' QB, followed by what happened to Clausen and McCoy.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 25, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

The Skins aren't finished at all. We still need to upgrade our WR's.

We have brought in many DL's and have what would seem to be extra TE's too.

We'll be trading a TE and a disgruntled DL for more talent at WR IMO.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 25, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

http://nflnr.com/2010/04/undrafted-free-agent-signings/

That's a link for all NFL un-drafted free agent signings.

Posted by: furious50 | April 25, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

"Samson--Guy blames the system, not the scouts. They were making the same claims about the Georgia Tech receiver Demaryius Thomas. "It's a run-oriented offense. He didn't get enough action for the scouts to evaluate him." Thomas was the first WR off the boards, #22 to Denver. posted by League-Source"

LOL you mean the same Denver that took Tim Tebow in the first round? Just for fun, here's what Tanier says about Demaryius:

"In the flexbone, almost every pass is either a tunnel screen or a play-action pass, usually off a rollout. Thomas' long receptions usually began with a play fake (often to Dwyer), with one or another wing backs drifting toward the sideline for an option pitch. All of this run action sucks up the secondary, sending safeties and corners toward the quarterback, Dwyer, and the pitch men. Thomas usually starts his route by pretending to block a corner or safety, then runs a fly pattern. If the quarterback rolls to his side, Thomas twists into a corner route. The cornerback, worried about the option first, doesn't have a chance.It's exciting, but the scheme does much more work than Thomas does."

Posted by: Samson151 | April 25, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins were listed as one of the "losers" from this year's draft. I totally agree.

Posted by: hrt22 | April 25, 2010 8:58 AM

Did you even read the looney-tunes post that you just co-signed? Its sole knock on the Redskins was "unloaded talent on draft day that they may have been better off keeping." Huh? They had a bad DRAFT because they traded Jason Campbell? You rate a team's draft based on trading a back-up QB? Which of our six picks yesterday did that involve? Doug Farrar's an idiot and you're his bytch.

This FO did a brilliant job in this draft, parlaying four picks into six, getting three OL, plus the little pre-draft maneuver for Carriker. And getting rid of Jason, which was entirely unrelated to the draft, was the right thing to do both for him and for the Redskins. He's at the only franchise where he has a chance to start this year and he won't be a distraction at Redskins Park.

Explain to me why you think the Redskins were losers.

Posted by: League-Source | April 25, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins were listed as one of the "losers" from this year's draft. I totally agree. It was the worst draft I remember them having in years. Maybe they'll quit trading picks for over the hill players.

The good news: the 2012 draft could be the deepest ever if there is a 2011 lockout and no draft is held. Could be two years worth of draft classes in one. So the second they got for Campbell could net second round talent.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/The-best-and-worst-of-the-2010-draft?urn=nfl,236463

Posted by: hrt22 | April 25, 2010 8:58 AM | R

I think you're wrong but that's opinion (about the draft.) I also think you're wrong about your perception of the 2011 lockout. I believe it has been stated that even if there is a lockout there will still be a draft in 2011.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 25, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

I think the people comparing Trent Williams to Ryan Clady don't realize that Clady only ran a 5.18 at the combine, in addition to only 24 Bench-Press Reps.

Posted by: mardiros | April 25, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

"Shanny would make a good politician. DNabb our #2 pick; Jarmon our #3. Nice spin.Posted by: jfoster13"

Why is that spin? It's true, isn't it? The Iggles traded McNabb for two choices, one of which they won't get to use til next year. The Skins got Jarmon a year before they had to pay for him.

It's not a bad trade unless one or both doesn't work out.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 25, 2010 8:53 AM
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i think jfoster13 is referring to the fact that Shanny continues to skip the fact that McNabb was a 2 pick trade. Seen him in a few interviews...and he only refers to the 2nd given up for him.
Nonetheless he was worth it. Adds at least 3 more wins maybe 4 if an OLine materializes.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 25, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

you mean the same Denver that took Tim Tebow in the first round?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 25, 2010 9:14 AM

Nah, man it's the other Denver.

Posted by: League-Source | April 25, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

The Skins aren't finished at all. We still need to upgrade our WR's.

We have brought in many DL's and have what would seem to be extra TE's too.

We'll be trading a TE and a disgruntled DL for more talent at WR IMO.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 25, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse
Maybe a DL. But the "TE" they drafted, D-Mo, will probably replace Sellers at FB/HB.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 25, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Marques Slocum is a DT, more proof that we're trading Haynesworth for Cutler this week. Book it.

Posted by: League-Source | April 25, 2010 9:03 AM

He also played OG. It'd be interesting where they line him up. I saw some video of him. He's quick and strong, at least quicker and stronger than his competition, but he didn't wrap up him tackles when he had a chance tomale plays on the defensive of the ball.

Posted by: TWISI | April 25, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

I like this Capers kid in the seventh. I believe he will prove to be a starter on the right side this year. Some doubt but I have a good feeling about him...The steal of our draft.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | April 25, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Sorry man, they're only rumors. I was not able to confirm them anywhere.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 25, 2010 8:49 AM

Hey, scamp, what do you mean "rumors." This is Redskins Insider. If you don't have facts, you don't post. We don't allow no rumors up here. Come back when you got the facts, man. You're better than that. (One of my favorite back-handed Redskins Insider insults. It really means "I'm better than you.")

Posted by: League-Source | April 25, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I guess the Skins really did just release an NFL Starting QB. So, nothing for a former 1st round pick that cost 3 picks??
Skins are the first team the Oakland Raiders have fleeced since their AFL founding...

If the ESPN report, below, is true, Shanny failed to mention (in this press conf) the fact that the 4th pick in 2012 from the Raiders is "unachievable". I agree with jfoster13.. Shanny would be a great politician.. And its amazing how the Wash Post sports desk has so far ignored this part of the deal (again if true).

From ESPN.
For years the Oakland Raiders have been rightfully criticized for reaching for speedy players who can't produce on the field. Al Davis got it right this year. He added to a solid draft by picking up Campbell for a conditional fourth-round pick, whose conditions appear to be unachievable. For the Redskins to get that fourth-round pick, the Raiders would either have to make the playoffs or Campbell would have to go to the Pro Bowl.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=5132435

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 25, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

But it'll be at least 5 years before we even begin to know for sure.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 25, 2010 9:04 AM


This is exactlty the short sighted crap that this fan base has had drilled into them from the cerrato era.

Posted by: follybeach | April 25, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

While Campbell was here the media rarely had good things to say about him. Now that he was traded we are unloading talent. What a joke.

Posted by: Rahtard | April 25, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Marques Slocum is a DT, more proof that we're trading Haynesworth for Cutler this week. Book it.

Posted by: League-Source | April 25, 2010 9:03 AM

He also played OG.

Posted by: TWISI | April 25, 2010 9:26 AM |

New information! This proves that we're gonna trade Haynesworth and Dockery for Cutler! Book it.

Posted by: League-Source | April 25, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

I sincerely hope that Shanahan/Allen do some due diligence on these undrafted free agents... if it's true that we've signed Marquise Slocumb... just do a google search on this genius...

Posted by: justabill | April 25, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

I sincerely hope that Shanahan/Allen do some due diligence on these undrafted free agents...

Posted by: justabill | April 25, 2010 9:38 AM

... even if its just a bunch of guys whose role is to take a beating in camp then get cut.

Posted by: dcsween | April 25, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

This is exactlty the short sighted crap that this fan base has had drilled into them from the cerrato era.

Posted by: follybeach | April 25, 2010 9:32 AM


What? Really? You mean evaluating a draft based on how good the players you drafted become is "short-sighted"?

If anything the "short sighted crap that this fan base has had drilled into them from the cerrato era" is the thought that you can declare a winner and/or loser from a draft only hours after it's completed. None of these guys have even been in an NFL practice, let alone a game and you're ready to speak in sweeping absolutes about how we did?

Idiot...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 25, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Some stuff on Slocum from a blog like this one ... its funny ...

http://mgoblog.com/content/wheres-marques-slocum

Posted by: dcsween | April 25, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

You get a big disconnect like SI's cover story about this being the year of the 'franchise' QB, followed by what happened to Clausen and McCoy.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 25, 2010 9:09 AM

And the way they will handle that is to talk about how stupid the GM's were for not taking the guys they had identified at franchise QB's. They won't reconsider that maybe they were wrong, but will talk about how Clausen was "great value, the steal of the draft."

We will get more of this over the next week when they give grades to the draft. The grades will be based on who got the most players that the media had pre-determined were the best. "Value in the sixth round! I thought he was a second round pick."

My favorite was the bozo poster up here yesterday who was whining after the Redskins picked Moore in the sixth that "the FO can't find talent." He thought they should have taken Capers (who they later got in the seventh).

Moore was completely off everyone's radar, from Louisiana Tech, and he looks like a beast and a perfect fit for the Redskins. This is the essence of finding talent. But, because Mel Kiper had never heard of him, this poster was blasting the FO. The way the Redskins will be graded by the media for this is "He fits the Redskins, but he was poor value here because they could have signed him as a UFA."

Posted by: League-Source | April 25, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Bring in Darren Sharper (FS), Alan Faneca (RG), and Flozell Adams [if we can't orchestrate a deal for Jammal Brown] (RT).

Superbowl!

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | April 25, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

When they go through the undrafted rookie free agents I hope they bring in some corners, more inside linebackers, and a few more linemen. The team is still seriously thin in those areas.

And as for Campbell, I am thrilled the Skins managed to land a fourth-round pick for him, that's easily a round ahead of his value.

Posted by: tkoho | April 25, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Here's the Skinny on Terrence Austin...


Release: Good initial quickness out of his stance. Legitimate straight-line speed to challenge deep, keeping most defensive backs on their heels. Lacks the bulk or strength to consistently get off press covergage when defenders are able to get their hands on him early.

Hands: Rare body control to make the spectacular leaping grab, but is prone to lapses in concentration and drops of easy passes. Competitive and can make the tough grab in traffic, but gets ping-ponged due to his lack of bulk. Can track the ball over either shoulder.

Route-running: Relies on his natural athleticism too much as a route-runner for a player of his experience. Good foot quickness and body control.

After the catch: His best attribute. Good agility to elude defenders after the catch and an explosive acceleration to get through gaps in the defense or as a returner. Good vision to set up blocks. Has the straight-line speed to score from any point on the field.

Blocking: Provides a decent effort, but simply lacks the bulk to be more than a pest as a downfield blocker.

Intangibles: Highly competitive player who plays with his emotions on his sleeve. Big play threat capable of making an impact as a receiver, runner and returner.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 25, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Here's the Skinny on Terrence Austin...


Release: Good initial quickness out of his stance. Legitimate straight-line speed to challenge deep, keeping most defensive backs on their heels. Lacks the bulk or strength to consistently get off press covergage when defenders are able to get their hands on him early.

Hands: Rare body control to make the spectacular leaping grab, but is prone to lapses in concentration and drops of easy passes. Competitive and can make the tough grab in traffic, but gets ping-ponged due to his lack of bulk. Can track the ball over either shoulder.

Route-running: Relies on his natural athleticism too much as a route-runner for a player of his experience. Good foot quickness and body control.

After the catch: His best attribute. Good agility to elude defenders after the catch and an explosive acceleration to get through gaps in the defense or as a returner. Good vision to set up blocks. Has the straight-line speed to score from any point on the field.

Blocking: Provides a decent effort, but simply lacks the bulk to be more than a pest as a downfield blocker.

Intangibles: Highly competitive player who plays with his emotions on his sleeve. Big play threat capable of making an impact as a receiver, runner and returner.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 25, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Here's the Skinny on Terrence Austin...


Release: Good initial quickness out of his stance. Legitimate straight-line speed to challenge deep, keeping most defensive backs on their heels. Lacks the bulk or strength to consistently get off press covergage when defenders are able to get their hands on him early.

Hands: Rare body control to make the spectacular leaping grab, but is prone to lapses in concentration and drops of easy passes. Competitive and can make the tough grab in traffic, but gets ping-ponged due to his lack of bulk. Can track the ball over either shoulder.

Route-running: Relies on his natural athleticism too much as a route-runner for a player of his experience. Good foot quickness and body control.

After the catch: His best attribute. Good agility to elude defenders after the catch and an explosive acceleration to get through gaps in the defense or as a returner. Good vision to set up blocks. Has the straight-line speed to score from any point on the field.

Blocking: Provides a decent effort, but simply lacks the bulk to be more than a pest as a downfield blocker.

Intangibles: Highly competitive player who plays with his emotions on his sleeve. Big play threat capable of making an impact as a receiver, runner and returner.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 25, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

This is exactlty the short sighted crap that this fan base has had drilled into them from the cerrato era.

Posted by: follybeach | April 25, 2010 9:32 AM


What? Really? You mean evaluating a draft based on how good the players you drafted become is "short-sighted"?

If anything the "short sighted crap that this fan base has had drilled into them from the cerrato era" is the thought that you can declare a winner and/or loser from a draft only hours after it's completed. None of these guys have even been in an NFL practice, let alone a game and you're ready to speak in sweeping absolutes about how we did?

Idiot...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 25, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse


dude you are clearly the idiot, i was agreeing with you that the person you were responding to was being short-sighted. take it easy man. where did i in anyway declare this draft anything?

Posted by: follybeach | April 25, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

When they go through the undrafted rookie free agents I hope they bring in some corners, more inside linebackers, and a few more linemen. The team is still seriously thin in those areas.

And as for Campbell, I am thrilled the Skins managed to land a fourth-round pick for him, that's easily a round ahead of his value.

Posted by: tkoho | April 25, 2010 9:55 AM

I agree but only if the report about the pick being conditional is False. I don't believe the FO would let him go for nothing but I wonder what that 4th becomes if he Campbell doesn't meet the supposed conditions to be a 4th.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=5132435

Posted by: furious50 | April 25, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I thought ShanAllen did an excellent job in the draft considering the hand they were delt from Cerrato.

1. They draft one of the two top left tackles in the draft. People can argue whether it should have been Okung instead of Williams...so we will have to wait for the season to start to make comparisons.

2. With the number two pick they selected a pro-Bowl QB that is proven under fire. Look at Denver when they selected Tebow in the 1st round (big reach).

3. They selected a pair of offensive linemen in the 7th round. Capers scouts rating was I think 73?? I believe that is excellent value in that round.

4. They got a 4th round pick for Jason Cambell in a draft class that some people believe will have more talent available than in the 2011 class. So perhaps the selection in the future 4th round pick will have a high value.

5. Before you start slamming the FO you need ShanAllen to at least go through another draft or two.

6. Just because a team gets multible draft picks does not mean those picks are going to ALL make the team. So the waiver wire and the practice squad will come into play big time should there be a hole or two that still needs to be filled.

7. I would have loved to see the skins select Bruce Cambell in the 4th, but they probably believe they have the RT slot covered and that the line backer selected instead is a potential starter. But selecting Capers in the 7th tells you that the Skins are trying to address the offensive line.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | April 25, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Notes from Mighty Mike,

"....We're not done yet. We're gonna still be looking over obviously the wire relative to free agency."


Let's review:

Team Shanallen released ten players, has reloaded via free agency and the draft, and still sees room for improvement.

I'm liking this: roster turnover.

These folks are like the artists who chuck the entire pile of clay so they can reshape their work in their image.

They are doing what should've been done some time ago, thank god.

We might see a redskins team next Fall with close to 20+ new players.

The additions will pushed established players and excite a fanbase hungry for new faces, stories, and jerseys to buy.

We all should be pleased that Prince Al remains with the team, Jason Campbell is gone, and that 3 young offensive linemen (one a starter) have been added.

So as for me, I'll just shut up about the new FO's operations as they are doing a great job.

And like people with good sense, I suggest we all just stand back.

And let the artists work.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 25, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

3. They selected a pair of offensive linemen in the 7th round. Capers scouts rating was I think 73?? I believe that is excellent value in that round.

I think Capers is going to excel under Shanahan's zone blocking scheme. Capers feel in the draft because he had a poor senior bowl and isn't considered "strong enough" for a lineman. In the zone blocking scheme you don't have to overpower and maul your opponent. Both late round OL picks look to be ideal for this scheme.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | April 25, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 25, 2010 10:06 AM

kinda like this, Moe?

http://www.rochesculpture.com/large/Jim-Thorpe-Clay-Football-scene-001-large.jpg

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 25, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

@ FUrious50

"I agree but only if the report about the pick being conditional is False. I don't believe the FO would let him go for nothing but I wonder what that 4th becomes if he Campbell doesn't meet the supposed conditions to be a 4th.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=5132435"

Holt Cow! Well, it doesn't look like the Skins will be seeing anything out of that trade. There is no way Campbell makes it to the ProBowl in the AFC competing against the likes of Manning, Brady, Rivers, Palmer, Sanchez, and Schaub. And while the AFC West is one of the weakest conferences, it would take a miracle for the Raiders to pull it together this year. Let's remember that there is likely to be a lockout in 2011, so the Raiders have one season to get into the playoffs.

Oh well, it's not as if ANYONE else was beating down the doors at Redskins Park looking to trade for Campbell.

Posted by: tkoho | April 25, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Did we really get smoked by Al Davis?

Not a big fan of JC.. And we all know he wasnt a top tier QB but, he had SOME value as a middle of the pack Starting QB?
How does a Tebow become a 1st round pick...and Campbell with 4 years starting experience gets released?? Or, for that matter, any of the selected QBs in the Draft compared to Campbell?
It would be nice, if someone from the Post sports dept could correct their previous copy (post-Draft write ups) and confirm that the 4th pick in 2012 was essentially a token unachievable gesture.
=======================
From ESPN.
For years the Oakland Raiders have been rightfully criticized for reaching for speedy players who can't produce on the field. Al Davis got it right this year. He added to a solid draft by picking up Campbell for a conditional fourth-round pick, whose conditions appear to be unachievable. For the Redskins to get that fourth-round pick, the Raiders would either have to make the playoffs or Campbell would have to go to the Pro Bowl.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=5132435

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 25, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: tkoho | April 25, 2010 10:20 AM

"For the Redskins to get that fourth-round pick, the Raiders would either have to make the playoffs or Campbell would have to go to the Pro Bowl."

wow, didn't catch that earlier... guess it means rooting for the Raiders. ugh.

and who is "Holt Cow"?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 25, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Capers was a TE converted to tackle, that's why his bench press numbers were poor..Give him the new Skins strength coach and some Wheaties and he'll be fine..

By the Itch in the Crack of St. Beavis's Butt, we are lucky we got ANYTHING for Jason!! A 2012 4th is GOLD!!

Posted by: frak | April 25, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

"How does a Tebow become a 1st round pick...and Campbell with 4 years starting experience gets released??"

That is sort of nuts. But hey, that's the draft, where wildly unprepared rooks get millions for their imaginary 'upside'...

Posted by: Samson151 | April 25, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Shanny would make a good politician. DNabb our #2 pick; Jarmon our #3. Nice spin.

Posted by: jfoster13 | April 25, 2010 8:30 AM

---------

True.

and Zorn would make a horrible politician.

far too forthright, or honest, or whatever...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 25, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

From ESPN.
For years the Oakland Raiders have been rightfully criticized for reaching for speedy players who can't produce on the field. Al Davis got it right this year. He added to a solid draft by picking up Campbell for a conditional fourth-round pick, whose conditions appear to be unachievable. For the Redskins to get that fourth-round pick, the Raiders would either have to make the playoffs or Campbell would have to go to the Pro Bowl.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=5132435

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 25, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

OK can someone please confir/deny this?? NO mention of these stipulations - which seem nearly impossible in the next two years - was made yesterday when he got dealt. John Clayton knows his stuff tho....Say it ain't so??

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 25, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

From Mayocks predraft blog:

Marques Slocum was another highly-rated defensive tackle coming out of West Philadelphia Catholic High School back in 2005. He played in the U.S. Army All-American Bowl and went to Michigan in 2006 and 2007. He has been playing for the Philadelphia Panthers in a semi-pro league. He worked out at Temple last week and 17 teams were there. He ran a 1.82-second time at the 10-yard marker of the 40-yard dash and did 33 reps at 225 pounds. He pulled up with a slight hamstring injury.

Posted by: sd_in_westover | April 25, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

"Moore was completely off everyone's radar, from Louisiana Tech, and he looks like a beast and a perfect fit for the Redskins. This is the essence of finding talent. But, because Mel Kiper had never heard of him, this poster was blasting the FO. The way the Redskins will be graded by the media for this is "He fits the Redskins, but he was poor value here because they could have signed him as a UFA."Posted by: League-Source"

Exactly. And you know why we never heard of Moore? Because he wasn't invited to that stupid Combine.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 25, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Jason Campbell even wins the starting job over Gradkowski. He is and always has been a back-up QB. As for why we didn't keep him as our back-up. He doesn't do what Shanahan wants very well and Rex does. Colt may too, we'll see.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 25, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

cannot find anything on Anderson Russell as far as him signing with us. What I have found from Buckeye.com is a short bio saying "Russell seemed to regress as he got older. He showed poor hands during his career and a tendency to get beat in coverage..." We already have this roll filled by LaRon and Carlos so I hope we don't bring him in, Ohio Stae guys are always over rated and over valued. Outside of Joey Galloway, Shawn Springs, Orlando Pace and Nate Clements, most have had poor careers.

Posted by: fjd124 | April 25, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Kept screaming on here for the 'SKINS to look at TERRELL WHITEHEAD, fs NORFOLK STATE. Too late, the JAGS grabbed him, and CECIL NEWTON C from last year too. I was also touting GREG TOLER from little ST. PAUL's last season, and ADRIAN TRACY and ARTHUR MOATS this season.

Do the REDSKINS even listen to their scouts? I heard them screaming in the background last draft, "No,no, GREG TOLER" when the brass picked BARNES from, where else, the U of MD. Surely they do more than look at UNIVERSITY of MARYLAND players.

There are fine players from around this area in the NFL all the time besides those who attended MD. WILLIAM and MARY - DARREN SHARPER, UNIVERSITY of RICHMOND - LAWRENCE SIDBURY Jr., BRIAN JORDAN, MIKE BRAGG JAMES MADISON - GARY CLARK. Everywhere you look past or present these local schools are represented in the NFL by fine players.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 25, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

OK can someone please confir/deny this?? NO mention of these stipulations - which seem nearly impossible in the next two years - was made yesterday when he got dealt. John Clayton knows his stuff tho....Say it ain't so??

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 25, 2010 10:32 AM
===+++++++++++++++++++++++
Looks like "Raider Nation" is starting to wake up to the details of the deal like the Redskin fans.
Their blogs are going a little bat-sh-t over getting "Campbell for nothing."

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=LU3&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&q=%22campbell+for+nothing%22+and+raiders&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 25, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 25, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Exactly. And you know why we never heard of Moore? Because he wasn't invited to that stupid Combine.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 25, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

And I want them staying away from those combines. Let's have more BOBBY BEATHARD- type CENTRAL ARKANSAS players no one's heard of. But do we have to go to LOUISIANA to find them? They're right here in the "SKINS back-yard.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 25, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

True.

and Zorn would make a horrible politician.

far too forthright, or honest, or whatever...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 25, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Not too many potential politicians here on this blog, that's for sure.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 25, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

The Washington Redskins have signed three undrafted free agents: Logan Paulsen, TE, UCLA; Anderson Russell, FS, Ohio State and Marques Slocum, DT, Eastern Arizona. Terms of their contracts have not been disclosed.

Source: NEPatriotsDraft.com

Posted by: kranosaur | April 25, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

A fouth round pick in 2010 for JC.

Wow.

I wonder how much value Rex Grossman would have on the open market?

I have a friend who is a Bears fan, and he's not exactly in the Rex Grossman camp. But heck, Kyle My Last Name Is Shanahan seems to have a high opinion of him.

And while I like the Trench WIlliams pick, if you look at the combine tape of the center we picked, Erik My Neck Is Cast From Concrete Cook, he's not exactly fleet of foot, nor does it look like his head turns anymore than 10 degrees in either direction.

Let's hope he has good peripheral vision to make up for that. Plus, is he a little tall for a center?

Selvish Capers?

I dunno.

But one thing I do know is I've heard enough of this "zone blocking scheme" Shanahan plans to deploy, either that or not enough to convince me that it makes a prospective lineman anymore likely to succeed here than somewhere else.

Your left tackle is primarily responsible for protecting the QB's blindside. I love that fact that Williams can run a 4.8 forty, but something tells me we may be in for a bit of a let down as far as pass pro is concerned.

Williams may be the more physically gifted athelete,, but Okung seems more humble, grounded, and hard working and once again, I don't care that he doesn't run a 4.8 forty.

Which leads me back to the subject of Rex Grossman.

Ugh...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 25, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

"Did we really get smoked by Al Davis?"


I don't think any of us want to get caught up in some debate about this.

Autumn is a raider and #17 in sliver and black is as well.

Whereas I don't know Jason Campbell personally, I am glad he gets away to a new place to maybe have some kind of career.

His demeanor and professionalism will mesh with Left Coast sensabilities.

And given that the raiders have endured J Russell's failures, any kind of production from Campbell will be seen as a blessing.

Those 3,600 yards behind a porous line may weren't a fluke, ya' know.

They already know he's a mid-range--not deep--passer, and must change their offense to fit what he does best: a nice develop for him as for his career, it's more of him changing to fit a new offense.

He may find the AFC West to his liking and flourish in ways there he could not have for a team and fanbase in D.C. that gives a lot and expects so more in return.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 25, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Hello Dennis Morris, goodbye Sellers. He and CP can't co-exist anyway

Posted by: ElYeah | April 25, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

The other college teams that Mike Tanier complains about in terms of evaluating pro prospects:

Florida: because their offensive scheme during the Tebow years has been almost as eccentric as Georgia Tech's. And because their talent level is so high it makes everybody on their club look good.

Texas: also a quirky offense, and a coach who shamelessly promotes his players regardless of pro potential.

USC: players who disappoint in the pros because the team was so dominant in college, and the high-level coaching means they don't develop as much in the NFL. (Personally, I think Taylor Mays is an outside linebacker.)

Iowa: Tanier's complaint is with offensive linemen. Ferentz has them playing so well together that it's easy to overlook individual weaknesses.

Well, they're Mike Tanier's opinions, not mine, but worth reading.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 25, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

"But one thing I do know is I've heard enough of this "zone blocking scheme" Shanahan plans to deploy, either that or not enough to convince me that it makes a prospective lineman anymore likely to succeed here than somewhere else.Your left tackle is primarily responsible for protecting the QB's blindside. I love that fact that Williams can run a 4.8 forty, but something tells me we may be in for a bit of a let down as far as pass pro is concerned.Williams may be the more physically gifted athelete,, but Okung seems more humble, grounded, and hard working and once again, I don't care that he doesn't run a 4.8 forty.posted by chia_pet"

I feel your pain, but Shanahan's blocking schemes in Denver were significantly different from those of other clubs. For one thing, players in those zones were always in position to cut-block the d-linemen -- not a way to win popularity contests in the NFL. Second, he got an amazing amount of rush production from an array of backs -- something the Skins could learn from.

But so far he hasn't seemed to sign the smaller blockers that Denver was known for. That's a big change.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 25, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Before you guys go gushing over this draft - ask yourselves this question - why on earth would we waste a pick on a Tight End? Will this guy ever see the field with Cooley and Davis ahead of him? NO. Will he ever see the field with Portis, Johnson and Parker ahead of him? NO. Total waste of a pick. We needed a Running Back, a Safety, and a Quarterback. Did we get ANY of those three? NO. Shananhan/Allen may be just as incompotent as Cerrato/Zorn.

Posted by: KevinDunne | April 25, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Is the team better today than it was on the day that Shanahan was hired? Yes.

Is the team better today than after the last game of the 2009 season? I think so.

Will the team be better on game day, week 1 of the 2010 season. I suspect that it will be.

Many small steps have been taken (and it seems to have taken forever, but ...), progress is evident.

Many more steps need to be taken.

The petulant Haynesworth needs to leave his ego and baggage at home. There can be no room for 350 pounds of sulking baggage. He's just a player, he's not in charge and he's not the boss. He needs to remember he
took the money, $100 mill, so he needs to stop the whining about being a nose tackle, show up, perform and deliver results = to $100 mill. Nothing more, nothing less - Be the man and step up!

Same with any other player, shut up and perform. Players who make things happen, play consistently, typically will be rewarded. Players who can't deliver and underperform, are the ones typically making excuses. They should be dealth with quickly and harshly - call them out and make them accountable, ... benched, traded, released ...

I'm looking forward to what the Skins do now with the existing free agents and those that will soon be released.

I'm looking at the schedule and I'm thinking 8-8, leaning to 9-7. I also think the Giants, Cowboys and Eagles all
got stronger this off-season as well. NFC East is tough, so I'm not expecting a playoff spot until 2011.

2010 is about evaluation, positioning and rebuilding.

In Shanahan I trust.
MS & BA appear to be a positive mgmt tandem.

Posted by: psssst | April 25, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

don't know how picks will turn out but there is potential with all of them. t. williams will start, morris te/hb may signal the end of sellars. If mcnabb goes down for any length this team is in big trouble at qb, grossman is a interception machine and injury prone,brennan is a legend in many of your minds and can't take a hit, bartel..don't know much about him yet. more o-line and running backs needed from UFA maybe another qb that can move with at least above avg arm.

Posted by: wathu19 | April 25, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

"Before you guys go gushing over this draft - ask yourselves this question - why on earth would we waste a pick on a Tight End? Will this guy ever see the field with Cooley and Davis ahead of him? NO. Will he ever see the field with Portis, Johnson and Parker ahead of him? NO. Total waste of a pick. We needed a Running Back, a Safety, and a Quarterback. Did we get ANY of those three? NO. Shananhan/Allen may be just as incompotent as Cerrato/Zorn.Posted by: KevinDunne"

OK, this may be a waste of breath, but here are three things to remember:

1) Moore wasn't drafted to play TE full-time or take minutes from Cooley or Davis. He's mostly a fullback.

2) He wasn't drafted to compete with Portis, Johnson, or Parker. He's a fullback/ H-back type.

3) Likely he'll spend a season on the special teams or failing that, the practice squad. He's a developmental player.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 25, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

"I also think the Giants, Cowboys and Eagles all got stronger this off-season as well."

You could be right. Personally, I think the Eagles have decided to rebuild. The Cowboys seem to think they're in the running for a Super Bowl. The Jints are harder to pinpoint. That dominant running attack of a few seasons back flagged last year. And they even had trouble pressuring the QB. They're looking at a change at MLB.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 25, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

"Personally, I think the Eagles have decided to rebuild. The Cowboys seem to think they're in the running for a Super Bowl. The Jints are harder to pinpoint. That dominant running attack of a few seasons back flagged last year. And they even had trouble pressuring the QB. They're looking at a change at MLB."

Samson, I think we're on the same page, regardless, MS & BA have closed the gap. Skins won't be clear-cut 4th place in the NFC East any longer.

Posted by: psssst | April 25, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I was just stating an opinion that Ohio State guys are over rated and over valued. Yes, they are better athaletes than you or I because they either got scholarships or walked on to Ohio State and yes alot of them get drafted and have terrible careers. I can assure you that the list of guys who have had great careers, such as Spielmann, Pace, etc is far shorter than the list of guys who were great. My roommate backed up Spielmann and he's die hard Ohio State and he'll tell you the same thing. I have a co-worker whose brother played corner for Ohio sate during the same time frame and he'll tell you the same thing. They are great college players but most are below average players in the NFL.

Posted by: fjd124 | April 25, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse


Get a clue dude. I don't care what your mailman's dentist's cousin says, Ohio State is an NFL factory. Ohio is a top 5 HS football best recruiting state and they own it.

College rank by NFL players the last decade:

3. Ohio State

Draft picks since 1999: 70

First-round picks: 17

Highlights: CB Antoine Winfield, CB Nate Clements, DE Will Smith, WR Santonio Holmes, LB Na’il Diggs, DT Ryan Pickett, CB Chris Gamble

Lowlights: WR David Boston, LB Andy Katzenmoyer, RB Joe Montgomery, CB Derek Ross

Skinny: No college program produced more NFL draft picks over the past 10 years, and no team had a larger single haul than the Buckeyes’ monstrous 14-pick class in 2004. How Ohio State didn’t win more national championships over this span is anyone’s guess, particularly given the program’s absurd wealth of defensive talent. The Buckeyes were the preeminent producer of talent in the secondary over the last decade.

Maybe the only thing keeping them from taking the runner-up spot to Miami is the number of young players who have yet to hit their stride – linebackers A.J. Hawk and Bobby Carpenter, safety Donte Whitner and defensive end Vernon Gholston among others. If USC has a stranglehold on the NFL’s underachieving young offensive talent, then Ohio State is its defensive counterpart.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | April 25, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Marques Slocum is a DT, more proof that we're trading Haynesworth for Cutler this week. Book it.

Posted by: League-Source

Which Cutler? Bruce Cutler, Gotti’s old attorney? He’d make a pretty good DT.

If I actually booked it every time someone said “Book it” here I’d have more volumes that the Library of Congress.

Posted by: TheCork | April 25, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

This Skins pick up a future 4th round draft pick because JC is a solid guy, not a star QB. JC had no future in DC and is considered by many as a backup NFL QB and now the media is touting this as a great move by the Raiders. Go figure. Great downfield passer??? We all saw him as Mr. Dumpoff. It's hard to not like JC as a person but his track record speaks for itself. Everyone likes to say how the Skins lacked talent the last couple of years but I bet that same talent performs closer to the way they did with Gibbs and Todd Collins now that it is Shanahan and McNabb. Even our OL will look better. This team can and will compete. The Raiders are still the Raiders.

Posted by: Jurgensen9 | April 25, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

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