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Posted at 3:03 PM ET, 12/31/2010

Shanahan impressed after last practice of season

By Barry Svrluga

The Redskins' last practice of the season wrapped up Friday afternoon, and with it the first year of Coach Mike Shanahan's demands for improved work habits. Shanahan evaluates each and every workout session, both in the offseason and during the year, by breaking down film, and he expects players to practice hard regardless of their circumstances. He said Friday he was pleased with this group's performance.

"I've been very impressed with how they've worked and the standard that they practice at," Shanahan said. "They've been pretty consistent throughout the year. That's what you're working for. You're working for guys that have good habits throughout the week - Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. It doesn't guarantee a victory, but it gives you a good chance. We've been fairly consistent throughout the year."

Shanahan said he has seen "improvement" in practice habits. But while the players will be done with work after Sunday's game against the Giants, the coaches will remain in Ashburn for two weeks going over tape of all 16 games.

"We'll evaluate our team," Shanahan said. "That's what we do. Offensive coaches will look at all 16 games of the defensive scheme. Defensive coaches will look at all 16 games. We'll kind of evaluate players, evaluate schemes, right as we finish the season. I've done that through the years, and it's been pretty good, pretty effective."

By Barry Svrluga  | December 31, 2010; 3:03 PM ET
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Comments

Let's trade 2 firsts to get that Luck guy.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | December 31, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

all this locker talk... locker is NOT as good as people think... he completes barely over 50%, has a losing record, and throws more picks than td's... do NOT be fooled by his intriguing athleticism!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 31, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

RE: Jake Locker

What I like about Locker is his athleticism, arm strength, mechanics, competitiveness, & leadership.

What's hard to overlook his accuracy, decision making, & field vision.

Consider these games...

9/18 Neb L 56-21 4 COMP 20 ATTS YDs 20.0% 45LG 1 TD 2 INT

11/18 UCLA W 24-7 10 21 68 47.6 22 0 1

12/30 Neb W 19-7 5 16 56 31.3 26 0 0

Granted he won two of those games and Neb has the 2nd best CB (Amukamara) in the draft but those stat lines are a reason for caution. At the end of the day there are times where he flashes big time ability as both a passer and an athlete, showing shades of a right handed Young or Elway. And for this reason I think Shanahan will take him if he's on the board when we pick.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 31, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Happy New Year Hamsters!

2011 is gonna be an interesting ride.

Are we at the beginning of something special with Alan and Shanny running the show?

Is 2011 the year we finally snag our franchise QB?

Is 2011 the year we finally build dominance along our O & D lines?

Is 2011 the year we start a long run of playoff appearances, NFC East titles and maybe a championship now and then?


Or is 2011 gonna look too much like 2010, which looked as awful as 2009, which wasn't much better than 2008, which......

Posted by: edvar | December 31, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Jiminy Cricket-

53 TDs 35 INTs for his career. He plays on a terrible UW team and to his credit he's never outwardly blamed teammates for mistakes. His effort and work ethic have never been questioned and with his "tools" he can improve on his weaknesses.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 31, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

RI New Year's Resolutions

--no discussion of any other sport but football

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 31, 2010 2:36 PM

Co-sign that! And I'd like to add less use of the phrase 'dive ass'...and more of the word 'NERD'...oh and less Football Insider videos...I hate those...oh yeah...less RI stat geeks too.

Now time to get our drink on.

Happy New Year!

Posted by: PlayAction | December 31, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

If Locker gets a year to sit and learn, maybe sexy Rexy can get us 10 wins and the playoffs next season? We need a franchise QB (thought we had one with McNabb...) for the Shannys to groom. Locker could be the real deal around pick 10...

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 31, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

still don't think locker is the answer...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 31, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse


53 TDs 35 INTs for his career. He plays on a terrible UW team and to his credit he's never outwardly blamed teammates for mistakes. His effort and work ethic have never been questioned and with his "tools" he can improve on his weaknesses.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 31, 2010 3:35 PM |
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sounds like a nice kid. now can he play in the nfl ?

one thing about any move you make in sports, it's a gamble. I hear alot of QB talk, but get me an o-line and d-line first and we can talk QB later. this team will not move forward without good to great players in the trenches

Posted by: hessone | December 31, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Let's trade 2 firsts to get that Luck guy.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | December 31, 2010 3:07 PM

The more things change the more they stay the same.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 31, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

How's Locker's footwork, reads, accuracy when under [1] no pressure, [2] reasonable pressure? So he's been on a bad team... but if he doesn't already have consistently great footwork, field vision and accuracy in light pressure, we don't want to gamble on trying to teach those fundamentals to him.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | December 31, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone else considered that we are still another draft away from getting our future franchise QB?

That maybe we would be best served by using our top picks to build a real team first than maybe in 2012 we go after the QB of the future?

Posted by: alex35332 | December 31, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse


I'd like to add less use of the phrase 'dive ass'...and more of the word 'NERD'...

Posted by: PlayAction | December 31, 2010 3:38 PM |
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let's just can both the phase and the word pa. enjoy getting your drink on !

HTTR!

Posted by: hessone | December 31, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

RI End of the Season Awards:

NFL Rookie of the Year: Sam Bradford

Best Redskin Newcomer: Brandon Banks

League MVP: Tom Brady

Hottest NFL Sideline Reporter: Alex Flanagan

Comeback Player of the Year: Mike Vick

Head Coach(es) of the Year: Mike Smith/Todd Haley/John Harbaugh

Best Returner(s): DeSean Jackson/Devin Hester

Best Team(s) to Watch: Atlanta Falcons/NE Pats/Stillers Defense/Ravens Running Attack/Chiefs Running Attack

Dumbest Redskin Decision: Trading, alienating Jason Campbell

Biggest Fall from Grace: Shawn Merriman

Most Knowledgeable RI Poster: Twisi

Coach FAIL!: Norv Turner

Worst Professional Conduct: Albert Haynesworth

Hottest NFL Cheerleaders: Tampa Bay/Chargers/Raiders/Saints

Best NFL Analyst: Brian Baldinger/Mike Mayock

Team STFU: New York Jets

Most Annoying Post This one.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 31, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Here's a question we haven't asked...

Do you think Mike Sellars comes back?

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

RE: Jake Locker


The stats notwithstanding, Locker meets what are two very important requirements:

--he's a multiple year starter in an NFL-lite system

--he's had the weight and focus of the offense on him

By themselves, these two suggest he understands coverages, can make the reads, and is emotionally and athletically mature enough to step into the NFL.

I think Mike Shanahan will like Jake Locker.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 31, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

RI New Year's Resolutions

--no discussion of any other sport but football

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 31, 2010 2:36 PM


Not even to bust on the lameness of soccer?

But Moe, the lame, the LAME!


HTTR

Posted by: freakzilla | December 31, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I would probably only take real exception with this one:

"Dumbest Redskin Decision: Trading, alienating Jason Campbell"

A. I don't miss him one iota.

B. I'd say giving up a high 2 (and 3 or 4) for McNabb was the Redskin mistake of the year.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | December 31, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Best Redskin Newcomer: Brandon Banks

I gotta go with Big Trent Williams. If he experiences the big improvement that many o-linemen see from year one to year two... he'll be even more of a treat.

Posted by: MColeman51 | December 31, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

rickyroge

Do you think Mike Sellars comes back?


Mike Sellars....?

Naw.

He's another soon to be ex-redskin.


Posted by: MistaMoe | December 31, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Best Redskin Newcomer: Brandon Banks

I gotta go with Big Trent Williams. If he experiences the big improvement that many o-linemen see from year one to year two... he'll be even more of a treat.

Posted by: MColeman51
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2nd that. Also bet he adds a lot of upper body strength this offseason.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | December 31, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Moe-

I'd go with the following Redskin's awards..

Offensive Player of the YR: Santana Moss Honorable mention- Torain (8 games, 800+ total YDs

DPOY: tough since we'll finished ranked 32nd. DHall (despite his warts)
Honorable mention- LFB

Special Teams POY: Banks

Rookie of the Year: T.W.

Worst Offseason move: McNabb for a 2nd and 4th

Best Offseason move: getting rid of the dead weight and having 40+ mil in cap space for this talent rich FA pool.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 31, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Happy New Year and f dallas. See you in 2011.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 31, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Who's the top 3 on your wish list for FA, Diesel?

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | December 31, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

actually pretty excited for the game. 7-9 and 3-3 would be a positive season, all things considered. Before you lambaste that thought, consider what Shanny took over. Consider that both the O and D are new. Consider that McNabb was basically a total flop. And consider how, despite all, we could easily have won 9 games. Surely one could counter that good teams win close games. I'm not saying we're a good team. But I think we are moving in the right direction. It would be a nice if pyric victory to eliminate the GMen from the playoffs. "Playoffs??"

"Merry New Year!!"
"It's Happy New Year...in this country we say 'Happy New Year'"
"Oh! Thank you for correcting my English which stinks!"

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 31, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Who's the top 3 on your wish list for FA, Diesel?

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | December 31, 2010 4:48 PM

Realistic targets...

C- Ryan Kalil (25)
RT- Ryan Harris (25)
OLB- Tamba Hali (27)

Bonus
OG- Carl Nicks (25)

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 31, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 31, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I like Ryan Torain...BUT, he's not an every down back! With a small 4.4 spped "scatback" with a side of Keiland Williams and we're set at RB.

Could Kevin Barnes be a starting CB for the Skins? If so Rodgers could be in trouble as far as a big payday.

Malcolm Kelly could be a "wildcard". Can he live up to his potential?

Will Andre Carter waive his "no trade" clause?

Will Portis stay or go?

Will Moss get a new contract?

Interesting off season!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

diesel44

Worst Offseason move: McNabb for a 2nd and 4th


I think the trade of Campbell, addition of Grossman, and trade for McNabb begs the following:

Are the Shanahans able evaluators of quarterback play?

This question stands out as we go into an offseason where three examples of their poor evalution stand out:

--they believed in Rex's 'intimate knowledge' of the offense right up until the jags' D proved he was indeed nothing but a journeyman quarterback

--they thought McNabb was worthy of an extension and picks, but didn't notice his legs were gone and that he can no longer win without elite playmakers

--they wrote off Jason Campbell, but if you watch Campbell play in Oakland with improvements all around him you think:

Why did we trade #17 only to have to find another quarterback all over again?

He could've stayed, the offense around him improved, and maybe it's like when he was at Auburn and won because of his support--not his limited talent.

Can we trust Mike-n-Kyle to find us a starter given this history?

I dunno.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 31, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Why this media love affair with Donovan McNabb?

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Mista Moe...

Jason Cambpell was mentally done here! We wouldn't have won 6 games with Campbell abd the talent or lack thereof that we have.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Can we trust Mike-n-Kyle to find us a starter given this history?

I dunno.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 31, 2010 5:08 PM

They did fine with Plummer. They did fine with Schaub. They did fine with Cutler. They screwed up this year with McNabb. Grossman's fine as a backup. Campbell it was time to say goodbye.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 31, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Winter classic pushed back to 8PM.

Moe:

-the extension was a great move for us, stupid for McNabb

-Rex is no more than a CHEAP, capable bridge/back up for the QB od yhr future.

-I would have kept 17 and the picks and filled the the other needs and drafted a QB this YR. (17 wasn't the answer longterm)

-Whether we can trust MS & KS to find OUR QB...we'll get to find out.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 31, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse


Jason Cambpell was mentally done here!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2010 5:12 PM |
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why was campbell mentally done here ?

Posted by: hessone | December 31, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

If Locker gets a year to sit and learn, maybe sexy Rexy can get us 10 wins and the playoffs next season? We need a franchise QB (thought we had one with McNabb...) for the Shannys to groom. Locker could be the real deal around pick 10...

Posted by: rich20ssu

No, No, a thousand times no! Locker is a nice kid and he can run but he does not win!

And no way Rex will get 10 wins.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 31, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

John Fox out as oanthers coach after tomorrow.

Who's in?

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 31, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Mista Moe...

Jason Cambpell was mentally done here! We wouldn't have won 6 games with Campbell abd the talent or lack thereof that we have.

Posted by: rickyroge

And this would have been even better for us since we would have better draft position. We are not making the playoffs so what does it matter if we win 6 (will not beat the Giants tomorrow) or less?

I lay the majority of the blame on the nightmare that is the Shanahans.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 31, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

John Fox out as oanthers coach after tomorrow.

Who's in?

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 31, 2010 5:28 PM

The obvious choice...

Harbaugh and he'll draft Luck at #1.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 31, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

And this would have been even better for us since we would have better draft position. We are not making the playoffs so what does it matter if we win 6 (will not beat the Giants tomorrow) or less?

I lay the majority of the blame on the nightmare that is the Shanahans.


Posted by: Lisa_R | December 31, 2010 5:30 PM |

Another loser fan wanting the team to lose for draft position.

The nightmare was what the Shanahans took over here and they have started to turn it around.

Maybe you would have prefered that Zorn stay?

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 31, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

The obvious choice...

Harbaugh and he'll draft Luck at #1.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 31, 2010 5:32 PM |

I thought San Fran was going after harbaugh, they are even promoting his buddy as GM.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 31, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

diesel44

C- Ryan Kalil (25)
OG- Carl Nicks (25)


We should open the checkbook up for these two guys.

This is next Fall's line, then:

Williams
Nicks
Kalil
Licthenslieger/Cook/Montgomery
Brown (re-sign)

That's an improvement all by itslef, and you can still pick up two guys in the draft to 'groom' with Cook, Capers.

Sounds like a plan.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 31, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

I thought San Fran was going after harbaugh, they are even promoting his buddy as GM.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 31, 2010 5:36 PM

Probably a few more teams as well. SF needs a QB too, if he goes there I hope he likes coaching Newton or Mallett.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 31, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

The obvious choice...

Harbaugh and he'll draft Luck at #1.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 31, 2010 5:32 PM

Rumor a couple of weeks ago was Grimm. Gibbs has been promoting him big time and the owner was already interested in him. Grimm will draft Luck.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 31, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

We wouldn't have won 6 games with Campbell and the talent or lack thereof that we have.

For one thing, Campbell's a raider, and they have the same decision about him as a starter that we have with Rexy.

Only, they already built a nice offense.

And after alienating McNabb, the Shanahans are kinda in a position where they have to either go with Rex starting in front of a young'n or start the young'n while building the offense around him.

The second way is the hardest.

The rams are doing this, but they lucked into Bradford.

Hopefully, Team Shanallen can make the right call.

Me?: I'd keep Rex, draft a young'n in round 2, (draft a d-lineman in 1) and keep working on adding pieces to the offense.

The young'n steps in after the BYE next season should Rex sux.

And he already does.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 31, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Another loser fan wanting the team to lose for draft position.

The nightmare was what the Shanahans took over here and they have started to turn it around.

Maybe you would have prefered that Zorn stay?

Posted by: Flounder21 |

Pray tell how the Shanahans have started to turn it around. Basically they have made the Redskins the laughingstock of the NFL. We are the subject of ridicule on a weekly (sometimes daily) basis. And it has NOTHING to do with our play on the field or our record - it has to do with the classless Shanahans.

I expected more when Vinny and Zorn got the boot. Snyder could have waited and found a better coach....but he rushed and we are still losers.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 31, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Brian Fantana: "Don't get me wrong, I love the ladies. I mean they rev my engines, but they don't belong..."

Hard to argue with such logic when Lisa comes up with back to back to back posts like those.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 31, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

I have decided this is it for me as a Redskins fan. After 30 plus years I have had it.

Dan Snyder's impossibly awful job as owner has ruined what was once my favorite Sunday entertainment from Sept. through Dec. every year.

This decision didn't come easily. However, I have had NFL Season Ticket for couple of years and had the pleasure of watching other teams in the NFL on a regular basis.

The quality of football played about 25 other teams is vastly superior to what we have had to watch from the Redskins the last 10 years.

This year, I actually found myself watching less and less of the Redskins and more and more of the other games.

In sum, I realize I love pro football, but I don't have to be a masochists and watch an irritatingly inferior product Sunday after Sunday anymore.

So, adios amigo, adios my Skins!

The road we have traveled has come to an end!

Posted by: NyallsStJohnSmytheIV | December 31, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

The road we have traveled has come to an end!

Posted by: NyallsStJohnSmytheIV | December 31, 2010 5:58 PM |

Good get the hell off the blog then!!!!!!

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 31, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

"Let's trade 2 firsts to get that Luck guy.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | December 31, 2010 3:07 PM

The more things change the more they stay the same.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 31, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Gotta say, I hate the idea in theory...

...but if we did that this past offseason in order to get one Sammy Bradford (and used our second rounder on another position of need - say an o-lineman) I would sacrifice this year's first and have been ecstatic with the outcome.

Posted by: psps23 | December 31, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

We wouldn't have won 6 games with Campbell and the talent or lack thereof that we have.

For one thing, Campbell's a raider, and they have the same decision about him as a starter that we have with Rexy.

Only, they already built a nice offense.

And after alienating McNabb, the Shanahans are kinda in a position where they have to either go with Rex starting in front of a young'n or start the young'n while building the offense around him.

The second way is the hardest.

The rams are doing this, but they lucked into Bradford.

Hopefully, Team Shanallen can make the right call.

Me?: I'd keep Rex, draft a young'n in round 2, (draft a d-lineman in 1) and keep working on adding pieces to the offense.

The young'n steps in after the BYE next season should Rex sux.

And he already does.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 31, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

The road we have traveled has come to an end!

Posted by: NyallsStJohnSmytheIV | December 31, 2010 5:58 PM |

Good get the hell off the blog then!!!!!!

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 31, 2010 6:00 PM
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And bunghole Redskins fans like you make my decision that much better.

You are a loser.

Posted by: NyallsStJohnSmytheIV | December 31, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Moe with the delayed double post thats new.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 31, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

And bunghole Redskins fans like you make my decision that much better.

You are a loser.

Posted by: NyallsStJohnSmytheIV | December 31, 2010 6:04 PM |

You mean loyal fans that would never give up on the team.

Stop being a little b--ch and leave already.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 31, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

flounder21

....with the delayed double post thats new.


I'm posting while drinking beer (I don't normally drink at all) and grilling two fat porterhouses for New Year Eve's Dinner.

So I'm a lil distracted.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 31, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Pray tell how the Shanahans have started to turn it around. Basically they have made the Redskins the laughingstock of the NFL. We are the subject of ridicule on a weekly (sometimes daily) basis. And it has NOTHING to do with our play on the field or our record - it has to do with the classless Shanahans.

I expected more when Vinny and Zorn got the boot. Snyder could have waited and found a better coach....but he rushed and we are still losers.


Posted by: Lisa_R | December 31, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

C'mon Lisa!

This fracnshise was in shambles when Shanahan and Allen got here! Shanahan made some mistakes, but they ARE turning it around. We are not financially deep into ANYONE, and we have money to spend in free agency. We have some nice young pieces on the team but admittely alot more holes to fill, particularly starters.

Now...when they do turn it around, I'll allow you back on the bandwagon, but you gotta have some gas money:)

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Flounder21 = Massive D0uche Bag.

I am amazed you can type and give Danny Snyder a hummer under his desk at the same time.

Posted by: NyallsStJohnSmytheIV | December 31, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Flounder21 = Massive D0uche Bag.

I am amazed you can type and give Danny Snyder a hummer under his desk at the same time.

Posted by: NyallsStJohnSmytheIV | December 31, 2010 6:30 PM |

You're not gone yet b--ch boy I thought you were no longer a Skins fan.

I'm waiting for your wife to finish with Dan then it's my turn.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 31, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

So, adios amigo, adios my Skins!

The road we have traveled has come to an end!

Posted by: NyallsStJohnSmytheIV | December 31, 2010 5:58 PM

With just under six hours to go...we have our douch of the year! Next time, just skip the dramatic announcement and go. Nobody cares. Be sure to take the other 3 NyallsStJackholes with you.

Posted by: MColeman51 | December 31, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 31, 2010 5:08 PM

They did fine with Plummer. They did fine with Schaub. They did fine with Cutler. They screwed up this year with McNabb. Grossman's fine as a backup. Campbell it was time to say goodbye.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 31, 2010 5:18 PM

Fine? If you think one playoff victory in ten seasons is fine then you have a different definition of fine. Cutler didn't even have a winning record with Shanahan (17-20). What is Schaub winning pct? Plummer had one year at 13-3 but other than that what? Fine looks like the same as what we've seen.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 31, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

No, No, a thousand times no! Locker is a nice kid and he can run but he does not win!

And no way Rex will get 10 wins.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 31, 2010 5:27 PM

I have a hard time using wins and losses as a primary factor in determining the success of a college player, albeit a qb, in the NFL. You can have good players on bad teams. Starts for a qb would be a good measure as it points to experience. Signature wins against superior teams would be another good gauge as it points to competitiveness, leadership. Finally, style of offense can be an indication. For example, does the qb have to make more than one read in his progression? But wins and losses seems like a poor indicator.

Posted by: TWISI | December 31, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I lay the majority of the blame on the nightmare that is the Shanahans.
Posted by: Lisa_R | December 31, 2010 5:30 PM

Lisa- You are obviously a super football analyst. The Shanahans started with a great team and we should have gone to the Super Bowl. Everything was in place- solid at all positions from Vinnie C's days and strong back-ups in place.

Posted by: RedskinsNow | December 31, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Many of you here still think shamm-o-KLAN will turn it around for this team..keep dreaming I don't see this creep winning any more than 7-8 games in any season he is here he is NOT that good a coach and his ego is far bigger than his wrinkled body with son in hand at o-coordinator calling for at least 50 passes a game and the legendary" james haslett at d-coordinator you have all the makings of a losing team, not to mention the other flaws of DIC-tater,fire this guy after the season and hire another coach.

Posted by: wathu19 | December 31, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

I repeat, the more things change the more they stay the same. Wathu and Lisa_R., shining examples of why this team is horrible and the hater "fans" suck.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 31, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

The road we have traveled has come to an end!

Posted by: NyallsStJohnSmytheIV | December 31, 2010 5:58 PM |

Good get the hell off the blog then!!!!!!

Posted by: Flounder21

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Posted by: Skins2 | December 31, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 31, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Who's the top 3 on your wish list for FA, Diesel?

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | December 31, 2010 4:48 PM

Realistic targets...

C- Ryan Kalil (25)
RT- Ryan Harris (25)
OLB- Tamba Hali (27)

Bonus
OG- Carl Nicks (25)

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 31, 2010 4:59 PM |


Are these players from the Middle Eastern NFL draft?

Happy new year to all.

Posted by: abxinc | December 31, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

From John Keim...seems like there might be a market for AH.

Secondly, I've got draft picks on my mind. How can Shanny and Bruce get some more? Is there any trade value at all in the likes of McNabb and Albert? Will McIntosh be someone the Skins will look to trade for a pick?

Keep up the good work
Andrew Sherwood

Andrew: Bummer about flying over for that game. At least the traffic after the game probably wasn’t too bad, but guessing that didn’t soothe the disappointment. Yes, I would definitely keep Armstrong. He can be a productive receiver in a good offense. For most of the season I thought he was better as a No. 3 in a good offense. I think they’d like to have more size in one of their starting wideouts (which is where Jackson comes in). But I love what Armstrong does: he can run different routes; he’s tough and he blocks pretty well. But I do think they’ll try to upgrade at this spot; they have no choice. I don’t have much faith that Malcolm will ever develop here. As for adding picks, I’ve already heard that a couple teams likely would be interested in Albert so you might be able to get a fifth-rounder for him. McNabb? His contract next year makes it tough to trade him, so my guess is he’ll be released. And I can’t imagine Rocky would fetch much. He’s a nice player, but not sure he’s a guy I’d trade for. He’s also a free agent. If a team wants him, they’ll just sign him.

Posted by: TWISI | December 31, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

all this locker talk... locker is NOT as good as people think... he completes barely over 50%, has a losing record, and throws more picks than td's... do NOT be fooled by his intriguing athleticism!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett


Okay Jiminy, thanks for the heads up. I suspect, based on your warning, no one on the board will pick Locker.

Shanahan might. Big arm. Good athletic ability. Good lineage. Class guy.

I think it depends on draft position, who's available, who's on the board, and how Grossperson does Sunday.

This team has SO many needs.

Posted by: TheCork | December 31, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Happy New Years.

Here's to hoping that Shanahan can figure out how to make a winner next year.

There is no history to support this but then again he isn't Vinny Cerato so we are already better off.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 31, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Dies thiws would make you happy, this is Walter Football mock forst two rounds.


13. Washington Redskins: Ryan Kerrigan, DE/OLB, Purdue
This pick has to be the best defensive player on the board. Washington's "stop" unit is abysmal in every facet.

Andre Carter was benched in early October after looking lost in Washington's new 3-4 scheme. Carter is barely playing right now, and the Redskins have just 23 sacks on the year.

Ryan Kerrigan is having an amazing senior campaign and has moved into top-10 consideration. He leads the nation with 26 TFL to along with his 12.5 sacks. It looks like he's this year's version of Brandon Graham.

44. Washington Redskins: Pat Devlin, QB, Delaware
Rex Grossman is obviously not the long-term answer. The Redskins will be looking for a franchise quarterback this offseason.

I really liked what I saw out of Pat Devlin in a playoff game against New Hampshire. He has a good arm and was pretty accurate with his throws. He also has a quick release. The big issue is that he holds on to the football too long, but that's something that can be fixed with proper coaching.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 31, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Being a Purdue fan I can tell you that Kerrigan ain't no Nancy, he's a straight Go-Rilla. It would be a good pick but I still think we need a NT first if we're talking about defense.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 31, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Flounder21 = Massive D0uche Bag.

I am amazed you can type and give Danny Snyder a hummer under his desk at the same time.

Posted by: NyallsStJohnSmytheIV | December 31, 2010 6:30 PM |

Cosign on that one dude. 21 the spawn of that dumb fu_ck from National Lampoon's Delta house.

Posted by: ElDrano | December 31, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

This wouldn't be bad either.

13 Washington
Stefen Wisniewski
Penn State
OC
Reach/Value: -18 Height:
6'3"
Weight:
298 Alternate Selection #1
Robert Quinn
Alternate Selection #2
Julio Jones
A little high to be taking Wisniewski in my opinion, especially with Julio Jones on the board still, but it's hard to argue this pick given the Skins' needs to strengthen the middle of both lines. Wisniewski is a solid player right now and the best OC/OG combo prospect since Nick Mangold. You might see a move down if the Skins end up out of the top ten picks. They could land Wisniewski in the late teens or early twenties area of the first round. Scott Lilliston - Drafttek.com Analyst


45 Washington
Justin Houston
Georgia
OLB34
Reach/Value: -1 Height:
6'3"
Weight:
259 Alternate Selection #1
Torrey Smith
Alternate Selection #2
Rodney Hudson
Don't be disapointed by this selection Skins fans! Justin Houston is a BEAST! He was 3rd in the SEC this year with 10 sacks behind only first round no-brainers Nick Fairley and Da'Quan Bowers. He has coverage skills and fantastic speed for a big man. Want proof? Check out some game tape of Georgia's game this year with Georgia Tech. 8 tackles, 2 sacks, an interception and a fumble return for a touchdown.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 31, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Ponder just pulled a McNabb.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 31, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Ponder just pulled a McNabb.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 31, 2010 8:22 PM

He got his agent to call Kyle Shanahan an incompetent idiot?

Posted by: beep-beep | December 31, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Rodney Hudson is a really good player. At 292, Fla State runs the ball behind him all the time. That dude is a player.

Posted by: TWISI | December 31, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse


Ponder just pulled a McNabb.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 31, 2010 8:22 PM

He got his agent to call Kyle Shanahan an incompetent idiot?


Posted by: beep-beep | December 31, 2010 8:38 PM

Nope, he threw the ball into the dirt 5 yards in front of his wide open receiver.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 31, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

From John Keim...seems like there might be a market for AH.

Of course there is.

AH= 5th rounder

DM5= 4th rounder

Moving players (AH-DM5) hated by redskin fans might render a draft that looks like this:

1, 2, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7

That's 9 picks, y'all.

Remember: our trash is some other team's treasure.

And as much as folks despise AH-DM5, it makes good sense for the Shanahans to convert the loss of each player into some kind of draft advantage.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 31, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975

Ponder just pulled a McNabb.


I'm watching Ponder and I think, "Hey, this guy has tools, but every time I see him, he's either hurt of pulled for the backup."

"Ponder might be a 4th round pick which typically mean career backup, not starter."

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 31, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Moe,

How many trades did we make last yr in draft??

Sure they were later rnds but I think I remember shanny adding 2 picks

I hope there's a simliar strategy this yr, possibly even trading up.

Have you gave any thought to trading players n picks to move up n grab targets?

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 31, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Moe,

How many trades did we make last yr in draft??

Sure they were later rnds but I think I remember shanny adding 2 picks

I hope there's a simliar strategy this yr, possibly even trading up.

Have you gave any thought to trading players n picks to move up n grab targets?

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | December 31, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Moving players (AH-DM5) hated by redskin fans might render a draft that looks like this:

1, 2, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7

That's 9 picks, y'all.

Remember: our trash is some other team's treasure.

And as much as folks despise AH-DM5, it makes good sense for the Shanahans to convert the loss of each player into some kind of draft advantage.

Posted by: MistaMoe


Speak for yourself please when you say fans hate McNabb (they don't) and Haynesworth (so do but certainly not all). And they are NOT trash.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 31, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

All I care is if the headcoach is ready to compete against this divisional rival, or is he sub-ordinate and will be amazed if DC's players want to win.

Posted by: CTaylor42 | December 31, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Speak for yourself please when you say fans hate McNabb (they don't) and Haynesworth (so do but certainly not all). And they are NOT trash.


Posted by: Lisa_R | December 31, 201

Most knowledgeable Redskins fans don't like him. He'll always be an Eagle in my book.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 31, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Happy New Year RI peeps!!!!!

Onward and upward!!

Posted by: msrent | January 1, 2011 12:23 AM | Report abuse

And:

HTTR!!!!!

Posted by: msrent | January 1, 2011 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Happy New Year RI! I love you all. At least for now...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Happy New Year to ALL RI Hamsters!!!

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 1, 2011 12:43 AM | Report abuse

I don't know why "TheScamp75" and "gimmesomemoe" are picking on me today. I have a point and you had no problem bashing Jim Zorn despite the fact that he was only given two years and no talent to work with. Are you two still going to be blowing that Shanahallen woody pole if he doesn't get the job done in year 2? ...didn't think so.

Posted by: Risa_L | January 1, 2011 1:30 AM | Report abuse

Good Morning and Happy New Year all!

HTTR

Posted by: skinswillwin | January 1, 2011 6:41 AM | Report abuse

I guess RI bloggas R hungover---I passed out at 7pm watching college football... woke up with my lab sleeping on my head :/

Posted by: skinswillwin | January 1, 2011 7:22 AM | Report abuse

Good Morning and Happy New Year all!

HTTR

Ditto and amen.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 1, 2011 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Another loser fan wanting the team to lose for draft position.

The nightmare was what the Shanahans took over here and they have started to turn it around.

Maybe you would have prefered that Zorn stay?

Posted by: Flounder21 |
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Pray tell how the Shanahans have started to turn it around. Basically they have made the Redskins the laughingstock of the NFL. We are the subject of ridicule on a weekly (sometimes daily) basis. And it has NOTHING to do with our play on the field or our record - it has to do with the classless Shanahans.

I expected more when Vinny and Zorn got the boot. Snyder could have waited and found a better coach....but he rushed and we are still losers.
Posted by: Lisa_R | December 31, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse
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You are so right, Lisa. The Shanahans are CLASSLESS and HAVE made the Redskins a laughingstock especially in Raven Country. Flounder21 is a nasty piece of work...keep kicking butt!

Posted by: lacy41 | January 1, 2011 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Happy new year!!!

I need some cofee!!!!

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 1, 2011 9:10 AM | Report abuse

You are so right, Lisa. The Shanahans are CLASSLESS and HAVE made the Redskins a laughingstock especially in Raven Country. Flounder21 is a nasty piece of work...keep kicking butt!

Posted by: lacy41 | January 1, 2011 9:09 AM |

So when you make your players do what there payed to do and you don't take sh-t from prima-donna players that makes you classless. Then I'm glad the Shanny's are classless.

Snyder and Vinny made this a laughingstock and Shanny will turn it around.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 1, 2011 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Have you gave any thought to trading players n picks to move up n grab targets?


An idea is to offer McNabb and a late pick in 2012 to the cards to move up to pick 6 and they assume our pick 12-17?.

From our perspective, we'd have to decide if there's a special player who'd be worth making the move for.

Would you want to trade a pick and a player to get a top 5 selection?

Is, say, a Locker/Newton/Fairley/Mallett/Luck worth flipping up for in round 1?

That's what Shanallen will have to decide.

We have a need for a defensive lineman and young quarterback: thing is, the draft is littered with plenty of guys at both positions.

Too, we could stand pat, trade AH-DM5, and acquire picks rather than using a pick to get 1 guy.

We are in a bad team in a decent enough position to improve with a nice mix of FAs and draftees.

And just what those improvements be?: again, that's what Shanallen will have to decide.

And it's why the upcoming offseason is going to be just one enjoyable bumpy ride.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 1, 2011 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Flounder21 = Massive D0uche Bag.

I am amazed you can type and give Danny Snyder a hummer under his desk at the same time.

Posted by: NyallsStJohnSmytheIV | December 31, 2010 6:30 PM |

Cosign on that one dude. 21 the spawn of that dumb fu_ck from National Lampoon's Delta house.

Posted by: ElDrano | December 31, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse
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Yeah, probably beats his wife.

Posted by: lacy41 | January 1, 2011 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Flounder21

Shanny will turn it around.

I agree.

And I think what a lot of redskin fans don't get it the nature of rebuilding.

Plenty of skins fan have been accustomed to 'fix it now' type years where a big name plus another big name is added, and then, all that happens is disappointment.

Be patient.

It's gonna take another year before this thing takes off.

And if you can wait 10 years, 2 more won't kill ya'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 1, 2011 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, probably beats his wife.

Posted by: lacy41 | January 1, 2011 9:23 AM |

That gave me a laugh, even my wife thought that was funny.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 1, 2011 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Shannahans will straighten this out. Lisa R is just a Mc Flubb fan. Great job, Flounder21. Why are Ravens people in here? As old as your defense is you'd better be praying for a title this year. Long down-cycle ahead for those guys. You take care of that. If or when you win your next SB, we'll still have one more than you. We'll take care of this.

Posted by: PS7900 | January 1, 2011 9:37 AM | Report abuse


Snyder and Vinny made this a laughingstock and Shanny will turn it around.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 1, 2011 9:15 AM |
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what's your contingency plan flound ?

Posted by: hessone | January 1, 2011 9:37 AM | Report abuse

what's your contingency plan flound ?

Posted by: hessone | January 1, 2011 9:37 AM |

Honestly hess. if it doesn't work out with Shanny I have no idea what the team should do.

Snyder isn't going anywhere so my first option is out.

If Shanny fails I think you have to go the one route we have not tried yet.

Hire a top flight GM who is a personnel guy, and then let him hire the next young gun coach.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 1, 2011 9:42 AM | Report abuse


Hire a top flight GM who is a personnel guy, and then let him hire the next young gun coach.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 1, 2011 9:42 AM |
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now that sounds like a winner.

agree on cleaning up the roster and getting players that want to play redskin football, the way it use to be played. these players don't have to be the mankins or vjax's of the nfl, just solid players who put team first. heck, that should get you into the playoffs alone in todays nfl.

Posted by: hessone | January 1, 2011 9:53 AM | Report abuse

now that sounds like a winner.

agree on cleaning up the roster and getting players that want to play redskin football, the way it use to be played. these players don't have to be the mankins or vjax's of the nfl, just solid players who put team first. heck, that should get you into the playoffs alone in todays nfl.

Posted by: hessone | January 1, 2011 9:53 AM |

Agreed, the only problem with hiring a great GM is would Snyder know who that is?

He would need to get a little help, but one good place to start looking is anyone within the Patriots front office.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 1, 2011 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Hire a top flight GM who is a personnel guy, and then let him hire the next young gun coach.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 1, 2011 9:42 AM |

Seems so obvious you wonder why no one ever thought of it before. This was sort of the hands-off approach Snyder tried at Six Flags. Before it went bankrupt.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 1, 2011 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Haven't been here in awhile. Still a diehard fan but Shanny whom I give credit for getting this team in football shape has been a bust IMO.

His good coaching knowledge was ruined by "Mr. Hyde". I am afraid that the coach and the personnel guy are a bad mix.

If he was just he coach, we might get somewhere. He sucks as a personnel guy and his personnel decisions were in the toilet this year.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | January 1, 2011 9:59 AM | Report abuse

I am keeping track of all the naysayers on RI...

You may have your Ravens jersey now, but one day you'll go get that Chris Dishman jersey out of the closet.

FRIGGIN' A-HOLES!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 1, 2011 10:18 AM | Report abuse

I am keeping track of all the naysayers on RI...

Posted by: rickyroge | January 1, 2011 10:18 AM

You are a busy guy if this is your mission. Not enough hours in the day to keep track of all of them.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 1, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse


I am keeping track of all the naysayers on RI...

Posted by: rickyroge | January 1, 2011 10:18 AM
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you don't have to be a naysayer, just look at the past decade for the proff

Posted by: hessone | January 1, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

WOOO HOOO!!

WE MADE IT!!!

2011!

Now everything is gonna be ok!


...sorry


My New Years optimism takes a few hours to die.


I'll check back later.

Posted by: edvar | January 1, 2011 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Re: Trading McNabb- I thought his contract made it unlikely teams would trade for him? I don't see any team putting up huge dollars for him when most likely he will be released and can be signed more cheaply.

Posted by: will_ga | January 1, 2011 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Good Morning and Happy New Year RI.

Let's hope 2011 is a better year for our Redskins.

Beating the Giants would set the tone for a new year.

I woke up this morning with a black eye, so I guess that sets my tone for the tear.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 1, 2011 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Moe

Ya I agree that we could move some guys to grab more draft picks

I'm just kinda sick of the QB argument

If we can't get luck I say we pass on everyone else

Remember we have 3 qbs already, why grab another??

Sure the 3 we got aren't the answer but I don't think drafting a 4th qb is

We have 1 solid guy on the o line, nobody is gonna look decent back there

Imagine if we had 2 top ten o lineman. That would be instant improvement

If we snag a 1st rnd qb other than luck it'll be a reach

Why not have a great o line n then next yr draft a qb???

We got a lot of needs, but imagine, getting our offense rolling n give our d some time off the field.

This yr should be fun because we need about 4 or 5 new starters on each side of the ball

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 1, 2011 11:05 AM | Report abuse

brandon- that works for me.

I would like the Skins to draft Pouncey in the first round, then NT in the 2nd.

Those are two of the most important positions on either side.

Be a very run heavy team in 2011 with Torain/Williams/New Guy?

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 1, 2011 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Remember we have 3 qbs already, why grab another??

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 1, 2011 11:05 AM

We have two qbs, Beck and Grossman. McNabb is gone. We have to add two more before training camp -- not necessarily in the top of the draft.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 1, 2011 11:11 AM | Report abuse

HAPPY 2011 everybody

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 1, 2011 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I see the Skins being top 5 in rushing next year.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 1, 2011 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I see the hater parade is welcoming in 2011 in classic fashion: "OMG SHANAHAN SUXORS! VINNY LEFT US A PLAYOFF TEAM! HE SAID SO! ZORN COULD HAVE SWINGING GATED THIS CREW TO THE SUPERBOWL!"

Idiots.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 1, 2011 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Hi8 n beep

Agree we should be run heavy.

There are 3 guys I'm lookin at for og/c

Maurkice pouncey

Stefan wisenewski

Rodney hudson

If we can grab two of those guys with our first two picks I would be estatic

As for nt there is only one or two true NT that I've seen in scouting reports. The one I want is Kenderick Ellis I believe

He's 6'4" 345, if we get a 4th round pic by trade he'd be my guy to grab

So our top 3 picks would be

2 guards/ center

1 nt

Id say that's a real solid start to an overhaul

Add wr and a de or olb in FA n we could look decent

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 1, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Hi8 n beep

Agree we should be run heavy.

There are 3 guys I'm lookin at for og/c

Maurkice pouncey

Stefan wisenewski

Rodney hudson

If we can grab two of those guys with our first two picks I would be estatic

As for nt there is only one or two true NT that I've seen in scouting reports. The one I want is Kenderick Ellis I believe

He's 6'4" 345, if we get a 4th round pic by trade he'd be my guy to grab

So our top 3 picks would be

2 guards/ center

1 nt

Id say that's a real solid start to an overhaul

Add wr and a de or olb in FA n we could look decent

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 1, 2011 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I see the Skins being top 5 in rushing next year.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 1, 2011 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Without PORTIS. Too much money for a shared back. He'll be gone, and I for one will hate it. He was a warrior, and maybe the BEST blocking back I ever saw besides SAMMY BAUGH.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 1, 2011 11:25 AM | Report abuse

I see the hater parade is welcoming in 2011 in classic fashion:

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 1, 2011 11:17 AM

Hey, it's just a New Year. What did you expect? Brain transplants? People's New Year resolutions aren't about "Stop being a hater." They all have to do with "I'm losing 15 pounds this year."

Posted by: beep-beep | January 1, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

AND SPEAKING OF BAUGH here's a great one-liner from the greatest REDSKIN ever.

RAY FLAHERTY, a pretty fair player in his own right, was the REDSKINS coach when BAUGH was a rookie. FLAHERTY tells him that pro receivers wanted the ball where they could catch it, "hit them right in the eye" FLAHERTY said ending his inaugural team speech to the team and more directly to SLINGIN' SAMMY.

BAUGH replied, "Which eye, coach?"

Laughter ended the session.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 1, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Great, Shanahan liked practice. We win the Practice Super Bowl. Can't wait to repeat next year.

Posted by: getitritegov | January 1, 2011 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Great, Shanahan liked practice. We win the Practice Super Bowl. Can't wait to repeat next year.

Posted by: getitritegov | January 1, 2011 11:37 AM

You don't understand the NFL, do you? We didn't "win the Practice Super Bowl." Shanahan only has one vote. All the other coaches vote, the players, the media, and the fans. Once the votes are tabulated they're entered into the BCS computer. We'll probably be seeded around 8th or 10th and will have a practice-off against the Ravens.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 1, 2011 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Beep

N Zorn will be there to throw bean bag chairs at grossman

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 1, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

We have two qbs, Beck and Grossman. McNabb is gone. We have to add two more before training camp -- not necessarily in the top of the draft.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 1, 2011 11:11 AM | Report abuse
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Last I checked, only Beck and McNabb are under contract for next year. I don't get the foregone conclusion that Grossman is playing for the starting job when he could be somewhere else. In fact, if Beck steps into the #2 role and performs ok, then I think Grossman is the odd man out.

McNabb, despite having the 29th ranked rushing attack supporting him, could have set a franchise record in yards. He's the best QB on our roster. How many times has McNabb put this team into a position to win and then the rest of the team doesn't come through? Houston, Tampa Bay, Indy games come to mind?

And yes, we had problems getting TDs in the Red Zone, but what Skins team since Norv hasn't? On paper, what about our team screams effective in the Red Zone?

We have small WRs, interior line problems, and a smallish/injured RB group.

I didn't agree with the McNabb trade when it happened, but cutting him loose now without the benefit of an offseason to evaluate and tweak schemes will simply compound the problem. I've seen nothing in Grossman's play to suggest that mastery of the offense has been our problem all year.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 1, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Alright and Happy New Year from the Creeping Menace, Father Time!! We beat the Blue Horde, thats 3 wins better than last year-we go 10-6 in 2011, that's 3 more and the playoffs..Then we go 13-3 the next year, homefield throughout the playoffs and win the SB..nuff said..

But it sho nuff would be fine to knock the Giants on their keester for the post-season..

Posted by: frak | January 1, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Last I checked, only Beck and McNabb are under contract for next year.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 1, 2011 12:00 PM

When was "the last time you checked"? September?

Maybe you didn't read that Shanahan said it was not certain that McNabb would be here next year. And maybe you didn't read that he said if McNabb is here he will be a backup. And maybe you haven't looked at the contract McNabb signed that pays him a billion dollars more than any backup in the league ever made. And maybe you haven't read the positive things that the Shanahans have had to say about Grossman's play.

They need four QB's for training camp next year. That will be Grossman, Beck, and two others.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 1, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse


Shanahan is a poor coach and will be fired by the end of next year. This team is the worst managed team in the nfl and the results show that it is. McNabb trade a joke and it shows. The people on this board that think we will have a winning record next year are only kidding themselves - fools

Posted by: Flip_Flop | January 1, 2011 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Im surprised that Haslett was not able to do a better job of transitioning the D to a 3-4. Yes,the D personnel was suited for a 4-3 but to have such a huge statistical drop off in 1 yr is bewildering. OK, the 3-4 supposedly creates more opportunities for TOs and confusion for opposing offenses but all season it looked like the Skins D was confused. Is Haslett the one to lead the D in 2011 and beyond?

Posted by: rmpal76 | January 1, 2011 12:53 PM | Report abuse

The people on this board that think we will have a winning record next year are only kidding themselves - fools

Posted by: Flip_Flop


You mean, fans, sh*t, we gotta have some excuse to drink Budwiesers before Ah Pook the Destroyer, Mayan God of Death, destroys the Earth in 2012..

Posted by: frak | January 1, 2011 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Ugh, the haters are out in force to start the new year. Give it a rest will ya?

GO SKINS IN THE NEW DECADE!!! (whoever the coach and players are)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Is Haslett the one to lead the D in 2011 and beyond?

Posted by: rmpal76


If he gets shelled again versus the Giants and Marvin Lewis is available, I say sign him..He ran a 3-4 at Baltimore , didn't he?? Haslett's gotta be on the hot seat after this shaky season for the defense.

Posted by: frak | January 1, 2011 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Wanting any coaching changes is idiotic, the teams that win in this league keep the same coaching staff for years.

JH is trying to install a new scheme with limited talent give him the time to do it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 1, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Flip_Flop

If you have better idea on how to fix the skins let us all know...

Posted by: skinswillwin | January 1, 2011 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Flip_Flop

If you have better idea on how to fix the skins let us all know...

Posted by: skinswillwin | January 1, 2011 1:22 PM |

None of them have any ideas they just like to cry and b--ch.

They want Snyder to do what they hate him for, so they can cry some more.

I guarantee when the team gets turned around you wont see most of these idiots.

They are pleased that there supposedly favorite team is losing, because it gives them something to cry about.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 1, 2011 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Thats the problem around here is that you let Vinny/Snyder run amock and screw up this organization up for a number of years; then when you get a semi-respectable staff in place you want to get rid of them in less than a year. Give Jim Haslet a break..we didn't exactly have a great number of draft picks last year to fill in the holes on this team.

The defensive system is already installed and is in place and I think with a few additional pieces added in the draft and hopefully some smart free agent pickups the defense will start to show more consistency.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 1, 2011 1:32 PM | Report abuse

They are pleased that there supposedly favorite team is losing, because it gives them something to cry about.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 1, 2011 1:30 PM

Sad isn't it? These are the same people that have been b!tching and moaning since Gibbs 2.0. Nothing's ever good enough. Makes me wonder how miserable their lives must be.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Wanting any coaching changes is idiotic, the teams that win in this league keep the same coaching staff for years.

JH is trying to install a new scheme with limited talent give him the time to do it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 1, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

cosign, Flounder. Last year available FA's were just not the answer, plus there was an unknown AH situation, which was disastrous for new coaches. And the group was learning a whole new concept. Haslett is a good coach. With a year of learning, plus some better 3-4 pieces, we'll have a much better D.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 1, 2011 1:36 PM | Report abuse


Great, Shanahan liked practice. We win the Practice Super Bowl. Can't wait to repeat next year.

Posted by: getitritegov | January 1, 2011 11:37 AM

You don't understand the NFL, do you? We didn't "win the Practice Super Bowl." Shanahan only has one vote. All the other coaches vote, the players, the media, and the fans. Once the votes are tabulated they're entered into the BCS computer. We'll probably be seeded around 8th or 10th and will have a practice-off against the Ravens.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 1, 2011 11:44 AM | Report abuse

You don't understand due to paralysis through analysis and brain freeze. Skins win the July Super Bowl because of Shanny, Mcnabby, Haynesy, Lloydy, Stubblefeely, Archulety, Sandersy, Shulery, Wuerfely, Matthewsy,Banksy, Georgy, et. al, et. al. Only NFL team with 2 Super Bowls a year - in July and February. Go Danny. You the man.

Posted by: getitritegov | January 1, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

You don't understand due to paralysis through analysis and brain freeze. Skins win the July Super Bowl because of Shanny, Mcnabby, Haynesy, Lloydy, Stubblefeely, Archulety, Sandersy, Shulery, Wuerfely, Matthewsy,Banksy, Georgy, et. al, et. al. Only NFL team with 2 Super Bowls a year - in July and February. Go Danny. You the man.

Posted by: getitritegov | January 1, 2011 1:47 PM |

Lets see Stubblefield and Shuler were before Danny even owned the team, but good job on bringing up the past.

No one is saying Danny is the man but since he isn't ever going anywhere crying about him is a waste of your breath.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 1, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Some people on this thread talk about the bad personnel decisions made by Shanahan/Allen regime.

This organization did not and would have never signed Haynesworth to the record deal (guy does not want to practice, but he looked good in Vinny's fantasy team). Devon Thomas (DT) who was recently cut couldn't even make it on the worst team in the NFL (Carolina Panthers). Only Vinny would waste a draft in throwing all of his dice in to get 3 receivers with the 1st 3 picks and none of them have the name of D. Jackson (Eagles)-so the drafting of DT cant be blamed on Shanahan.

How about addressing the offensive line last year (1st, two 7th rounders, FA pickup and one trade). Granted the line is not perfect but I don't think we have to look for a high draft pick in either Tackle position. Whereas, the past regime would have checked the waiver wires from the local UPS office to see who was being laid off.

I will agree that the McNabb issue probably could have been handled better by Shanahan and that if someone within your division is willing to trade with you then youd better run fast (Andy Reid-Coach of the Year).

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 1, 2011 1:59 PM | Report abuse

7 draft picks with possibly more coming...CHECK

No "BIG" contracts currently on the books...CHECK

A few young pieces in place...CHECK

Money to spend in Free Agency...CHECK

400+ Free Agents...CHECK

A more financially shrewd FO in place...CHECK

After 11 years of Brandon Lloyd, Trung Canidate, TJ Duckett, Adam Archuleta, Mark Brunell, Jim Zorn, Steve Spurrier ("Haze-Lett"..never gets old:), Jason Taylor, Antwaan Randle-El, Sherm Lewis, swinging gate, Albert Haynesworth, Jason Campbell...

I think we're in a BETTER place!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 1, 2011 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Sad isn't it? These are the same people that have been b!tching and moaning since Gibbs 2.0. Nothing's ever good enough. Makes me wonder how miserable their lives must be.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 1:35 PM


First off, let me say Happy New Year to all my RI peeps.

To your point, I think there's a sense of frustration within the fanbase for the franchise going about as far in the opposite direction of the course Gibbs set up as possible. I know it chapped my ass that we didn't go with either Greggggg Williams or Russ Grimm--two guys that would have continued what Gibbs started. Going with this WCO has us starting from scratch at a time when we should have been getting into full stride with the foundation Gibbs laid out. So in all fairness, I get the bitter beer face from some of the fans...what I don't get is why Shanahan is being labeled an abject failure because he put a career malcontent in his place and benched an underachieving QB. Considering where this team has been, I think a two game improvement over last year is a fairly decent step...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 1, 2011 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Does Joe Paterno ACTUALLY coach? ...or is he like a sideline ornament.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 1, 2011 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Steve Spurrier ("Haze-Lett"..never gets old)

Posted by: rickyroge | January 1, 2011 1:59 PM


I still think the best thing Spurrier gave us was the quote "hindsight is 50/50"...even George W. Bush had to point and laugh at that idiocy...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 1, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

To your point, I think there's a sense of frustration within the fanbase for the franchise going about as far in the opposite direction of the course Gibbs set up as possible. I know it chapped my ass that we didn't go with either Greggggg Williams or Russ Grimm--two guys that would have continued what Gibbs started. Going with this WCO has us starting from scratch at a time when we should have been getting into full stride with the foundation Gibbs laid out. So in all fairness, I get the bitter beer face from some of the fans...what I don't get is why Shanahan is being labeled an abject failure because he put a career malcontent in his place and benched an underachieving QB. Considering where this team has been, I think a two game improvement over last year is a fairly decent step...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 1, 2011 2:01 PM |

These dudes need to give up the woulda, shoulda, coulda crap from three years ago. I swear a lot of these dudes must have been great high school football players. A blog full of Al Bundy's. Time to move on...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Flip_Flop |: Shanahan is a poor coach and will be fired by the end of next year. This team is the worst managed team in the nfl and the results show that it is. McNabb trade a joke and it shows. The people on this board that think we will have a winning record next year are only kidding themselves - fools
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I love the 'Skins but Shanahan and his baby boy are jerks. This is not about tough love this is about professionalism. Shanahan lost all credibility with me based on the following: he hired his baby boy as offensive coordinator, continued all the back and forth with Fat Albert, made the decision to pull McNabb in the final two minutes of the Detroit game (when we still had a winning re record), lied about McNabb's preseason conditioning, threw away the season by starting Rex Gross the final three games, and continues to lie.

Being a loyal fan does not include slavishly sanctioning stupid decisions. We can't change the owner but the Shanahans are the worse coaches in the NFL IMO.

Posted by: lacy41 | January 1, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Brown,

What did Gibbs start he was behind most of the terrible FO choices, sure we went to the playoffs twice but when he left we had an old team and where capped strapped.

I love Gibbs but his second time around wasn't great in terms of personnel choices. He made up for that by being a great motivator but the team was not in good shape when he left even if Williams was hired.

Williams would have fired the OC and braught in hos own guy, he also has not sniffed a HC job since he left here.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 1, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse

they wrote off Jason Campbell, but if you watch Campbell play in Oakland with improvements all around him you think:

Why did we trade #17 only to have to find another quarterback all over again?

He could've stayed, the offense around him improved, and maybe it's like when he was at Auburn and won because of his support--not his limited talent.

Can we trust Mike-n-Kyle to find us a starter given this history?

I dunno.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 31, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

J. Cambell hangs onto the ball too long and does not read coverages that well. JC was not Tom Cable's first choice as a starting QB. I thinks Oakland will be looking for a young QB in the draft or someone other than JC through free agancy.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 1, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Well, this team has been in "stealth" rebuilding mode from the get jump, Haynesworth should have been moved while he still had good value and McNabb shouldn't have been placed in Harm's Way while the new "zone-blocking" scheme was installed..All in all, Shanahan has found some good personnel under rocks for us to have for years to come..Let's hope the garden continues to grow..

Posted by: frak | January 1, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

No one is saying Danny is the man but since he isn't ever going anywhere crying about him is a waste of your breath.

Posted by: Flounder21 |

It's not a waste of breath, Flounder, it's therapy. And Lord knows, there are folks here who need it.

By the way, out in LA us downtrodden Clipper fans have cried similar tears about owner The Donald Sterling, the OTHER worst owner in sports. And yet, somehow, he has stumbled upon a team that is among the most entertaining in the NBA, has two of the best players in the league and were it not for early injuries and the getting to know you process with new coach Del Negro, would be fighting for a spot in the playoffs.

I myself am having a hard time coming to terms with a competent individual named "Vinny" working for a team I like.

Yeah, it's not a CLippers board, but I root for the Redskins, Rutgers and the Clippers--losers three-- so indulge me.

Posted by: TheCork | January 1, 2011 2:21 PM | Report abuse

From Adam Schefter on ESPN.com:

"Back in March 2004, Denver traded running back Clinton Portis to Washington for cornerback Champ Bailey and a second-round pick in the first blockbuster trade that involved two reigning Pro Bowl players since the Chargers traded quarterback John Hadl to the Rams for defensive tackle Coy Bacon after the 1972 season. Now, fittingly, Portis and Bailey look to be ending their runs with their teams at the same time. Portis is scheduled to make $8.25 million next season, a number the Redskins will be unwilling to pay. Coming off a concussion and a torn groin, Portis is considered old for a running back, even though he is only 29. He needs only 77 rushing yards for 10,000 in his NFL career, but they are not likely to come in Washington. Bailey is scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent after contract talks between him and Denver broke off this season. A heel injury may prevent him from playing what could be his final game Sunday, and chances are he will not return to Denver. And so one of the more high-profile NFL trades in recent memory is about to have the book on it closed."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=schefter_adam&page=10spot/10week17

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 1, 2011 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Wanting any coaching changes is idiotic, the teams that win in this league keep the same coaching staff for years.

JH is trying to install a new scheme with limited talent give him the time to do it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 1, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse
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Haslett's already been fired numerous times so he's used to being recycled. My question is: why was he hired in the first place? Get rid of him too!

Posted by: lacy41 | January 1, 2011 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Imagine if we had 2 top ten o lineman. That would be instant improvement

Please stop this.

There isn't--to my knowledge--a 'TOP 10' offensive lineman to be had in this draft.

The offensive line draft ocurred the year we took Orakpo ('09) and everyone else drafted tackles, guards, and centers.

The upcoming draft will be awash with wide receivers, quarterbacks, defensive linemen, outside linebackers, and secondary help.

Use FA add a center and guard.

Train up Cook/Capers.

Re-sign J Brown.

Draft a q-back, defensive tackle who can play the nose, a defensive end who can play tackle, an outside linebacker, a free safety, a wide receiver, tackle, guard, and running back.

Take from the draft what it offers.

And don't draft what's not there.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 1, 2011 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Flound, without rehashing the whole Gibbs 2.0 Era, the truth of the matter is we don't know for sure how much of the bungled FA additions were on Gibbs and were on Vinny...but whatever the case, Gibbs had this franchise solid at the point of attack (it got old in a hurry--but still solid), disciplined, and full of character/core players. With another WR and a top flight QB, it wouldn't have been crazy to think of that '05 team as a title contender. While it was far from perfect and there were definitely some holes to fill, Gibbs at least helped point the ship in the right direction.

Again...no need to rehash that because bottom line we have Shanahan here now. Anyone rooting for him to fail is rooting for the Redskins to fail...which I don't get AT ALL...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 1, 2011 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Haslett's already been fired numerous times so he's used to being recycled. My question is: why was he hired in the first place? Get rid of him too!

Posted by: lacy41 | January 1, 2011 2:29 PM

Yep, fire another one. Smart.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I root for the Redskins, Rutgers and the Clippers--losers three-- so indulge me.

Posted by: TheCork | January 1, 2011 2:21 PM


I'm not sure if I should tip my cap to you for your bravery, admonish you for being a glutton for punishment, or put you on suicide watch...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 1, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Welcome to 1 1 1 1

Posted by: abxinc | January 1, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I root for the Redskins, Rutgers and the Clippers--losers three-- so indulge me.

Posted by: TheCork | January 1, 2011 2:21 PM

Happy New Year Cork. Bygones and all that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Brown,

True I don't feel like going back to all that crap.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 1, 2011 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Haslett's already been fired numerous times so he's used to being recycled. My question is: why was he hired in the first place? Get rid of him too!

Posted by: lacy41 | January 1, 2011 2:29 PM

Yep, fire another one. Smart.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 2:32 PM


Yeah, I just caught up on some of the earlier posts on this thread...gotta love how Lacy and Lisa keep patting each other on the ass telling each other "good game" when they're acting in the same impulsive manner that they're killing Snyder for. Simply stunning how some people just can't fathom a perspective that exists outside of their own warped minds...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 1, 2011 2:42 PM | Report abuse

A heel injury may prevent him from playing what could be his final game Sunday, and chances are he will not return to Denver. And so one of the more high-profile NFL trades in recent memory is about to have the book on it closed."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=schefter_adam&page=10spot/10week17

Posted by: brownwood26 |

I can see 4-5 more years on his odometer as a corner and safety--somewhere. Is Danny reaching for his checkbook yet?

Posted by: TheCork | January 1, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse

rickyroge

Does Joe Paterno ACTUALLY coach? ...or is he like a sideline ornament.


He and Jon Gruden are ornaments on the same tree.

A lot of folks speculate that Gruden will return to coaching.

I think he'll remain a media commentator guy as returning to the sideline might expose his reputation should he go coach and not do well.

He's a decent announcer, a bright guy, and should remain in retirement.

And Joe Paterno should join him there.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 1, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse


Again...no need to rehash that because bottom line we have Shanahan here now. Anyone rooting for him to fail is rooting for the Redskins to fail...which I don't get AT ALL...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 1, 2011 2:30 PM |


No one is rooting for the Redskins to fail, they are only pointing out the track record of the last 20 years as a failure, due to poor management that still exsist at Redskin Park - fools

Posted by: Flip_Flop | January 1, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I can see 4-5 more years on his odometer as a corner and safety--somewhere. Is Danny reaching for his checkbook yet?

Posted by: TheCork | January 1, 2011 2:44 PM

I hope not because to me that just signals that we are still willing to overpay for declining veterans looking for their last pay hoorah.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Is it me or has my beloved SEC been outed this bowl season?

I'd say, "yes".

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 1, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

No one is rooting for the Redskins to fail, they are only pointing out the track record of the last 20 years as a failure, due to poor management that still exsist at Redskin Park - fools

Posted by: Flip_Flop | January 1, 2011 2:46 PM

And that track record is hasty decision making without giving ANYONE the chance to right the ship which by firing another set of coaches is doing the same thing thus inviting our continued failure.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Train up Cook/Capers.

Re-sign J Brown.

Posted by: MistaMoe

I'll just address this part of your post. Did Cook even play a snap this year? As for Selvish. Dude never moved off the practice squad to the redskins, nor was he swiped by someone else.

J. Brown has health issues. Remember what happened to Jon Jansen when he effectively lost two years to injuries? He was never the same.

No this team NEEDS o'linemen. If Pouncey, say, is available at the right time, I LEAP on him. Having a 320 pound ten year starter at center would go far to improve the offense.

I agree if they stay 3-4 the NG position is critical, and needs an upgrade. That's a place where FA can help--rather than risk it on a draft pick.

As for QB with a first round pick: ONLY if the guy Shanahan sweras by is available whebn he picks. I strongly suspect Luck, Locker and Mr. Heismann will be off the board by then.

Posted by: TheCork | January 1, 2011 2:54 PM | Report abuse


Happy New Year Cork. Bygones and all that.

Posted by: scampbell1975

AMEN to that. Back atcha.

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I hope (Bailey doesn't return) because to me that just signals that we are still willing to overpay for declining veterans looking for their last pay hoorah.

Posted by: scampbell1975 |

Let me start by agreeing with you. He’ll be MUCH too expensive.

But I’d like to see Haslett go. I don’t see him ever being confused with Dick LaBeau. Of course, he’s been saddled with the wrong personnel for the defense he’s running, but still-32nd in the league?

Posted by: TheCork | January 1, 2011 3:01 PM | Report abuse

theCork

J. Brown has health issues

Didn't the last published report about him discuss his improving health?

Having a 320 pound ten year starter at center would go far to improve the offense.

I don't think Mike Shanahan wants a '320 pound' center.

Did Cook even play a snap this year? As for Selvish.

I guess making sure they are solid depth guys isn't something we should expect.

Or should we.

And not all of the guys on our practice squad suck:

Rob Jackson was a practice squad player, wasn't he?

And some guy named Brandon Banks was on the practice squad up until Shanahan fell out of love with DT11.

Yes, we need improved o-line play.

There are some solid young (under 26) choices in Free Agency this offseason at center (R Kalil) and guard (C Nicks) we should consider.

Add a good young center and guard to a re-signed J Brown and T Williams, and our line improves without a high pick.

Which is why folks should chill with the "Use all 7 picks for a left tackle" stuff.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 1, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Lemme catch up on these posts...

*Gibbs was a classic "Win Now" regime...there was no setup for the future and he left this team old and devoid of talent

*Yes, we need O-lineman, but we also need EVERYTHING else. I'll sh*t a brick only if we draft a TE with our first pick.

* Those of you calling for the heads of the Shanahans are still drunk and high on "roofies"...Yeah, they goofed on the McNabb thing, but I'll take a few mistakes for stability sake. I'll begin to judge em' beginning this offseason.

* There are many people, "fans" and media, that are rooting for this team to fail. There are others like myself who support this team no matter what...I wear my Skins gear ALL the time, no matter who's playing.

* I LOATHE "bandwagoneers"!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 1, 2011 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Which is why folks should chill with the "Use all 7 picks for a left tackle" stuff.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 1, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Funny stuff:) ...or maybe we should trade up for a Center!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 1, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

"No this team NEEDS o'linemen. If Pouncey, say, is available at the right time, I LEAP on him. Having a 320 pound ten year starter at center would go far to improve the offense."

Yeah, but isn't the reason they've stuck with Rabach because he's light and quick for the new zone-blocking scheme?? Seems like Pouncey would rock well in a smashmouth scenario..Agree on Haslett, but think they'll give him one more year to fall flat on his face with the worst defense in the League...

NE wins the Super Bowl- nobody is going to beat them at home throughout the playoffs and the NFC team-Atlanta or whoever beats Atlanta- won't be as good as Pittsburgh or Baltimore..Brady gets another ring..

Posted by: frak | January 1, 2011 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Moe

Sorry for the confusion, I didn't mean draft two lineman with the top ten picks of the draft

I meant grab two of the ten best available lineman in this draft

I know you want QB n DT but I say we maybe slide those needs to the back end of the draft

Grab two of the best big hogs available give our defense a break.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 1, 2011 3:20 PM | Report abuse


But I’d like to see Haslett go. I don’t see him ever being confused with Dick LaBeau.

Posted by: TheCork | January 1, 2011 3:01 PM |
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besides the 2000 season in which he was coach of the year with the saints, dude hasn't done squat.

Posted by: hessone | January 1, 2011 3:21 PM | Report abuse

No one is rooting for the Redskins to fail, they are only pointing out the track record of the last 20 years as a failure, due to poor management that still exsist at Redskin Park - fools

Posted by: Flip_Flop | January 1, 2011 2:46 PM


So a down period constitutes incessant whining and naysaying on EVERY move the team makes? Oh, if Steeler fans did the same thing in the early 90s...

If we're having this same discussion at the end of Year 2 of the Shanahan Experiment, then I'll join the chorus. But we're in Year 1 and two games better than we were a year ago. Everything I've heard from respectable analysts is that the system works...we just don't have the right guys to run it. Step 1 is getting a system that works. Step 2 is getting the right players. Crediting growing pains of a new regime to the mismanagement of folks no longer in the building is misguided at best.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 1, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

frak

Agree on Haslett, but think they'll give him one more year to fall flat on his face with the worst defense in the League...

I'd say the issues on defense are such that two of our top 3 picks should be defensive lineman.

We need a nose tackle who can play tackle and a defensive end who can play tackle.

In a 3-4 front, the difference is important.

We use Kedric Golston to play tackle and end, and he just isn't able to play end as well: there's plenty of video of teams running at our edge with him and AH playing there.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 1, 2011 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I can see 4-5 more years on his odometer as a corner and safety--somewhere. Is Danny reaching for his checkbook yet?

Posted by: TheCork | January 1, 2011 2:44 PM

I hope not because to me that just signals that we are still willing to overpay for declining veterans looking for their last pay hoorah.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 2:49 PM

Personally, I'd like to see Champ back...doesn't show any signs of slowing down and as mentioned, should be able to make the switch to safety when he does start to decline as a cover corner. But I gotta say...overpaying doesn't appear to be in the DNA of this new regime, so if Champ isn't willing to reunite with Shanahan (and in turn, the Redskins) for equal to or lesser than the market value, then he won't be a Redskins. Plain and simple.

Again folks...FA isn't what hurt us over the last decade, it's the MISUSE OF FA that did. If Champ fits what we do, has some tread left on the tires, and is paid based on his worth (which is to say, not OVERpaid), I see no downside to getting him back.

The Falcons did alright with the Gonzalez trade, didn't they? And I'm sure the Saints don't regret signing Darren Sharper...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 1, 2011 3:31 PM | Report abuse

But I’d like to see Haslett go. I don’t see him ever being confused with Dick LaBeau. Of course, he’s been saddled with the wrong personnel for the defense he’s running, but still-32nd in the league?


Posted by: TheCork | January 1, 2011 3:01 PM |

I will agree on Haslett. I wasn't on board with ANY of the coaches we brought in but I'm even more sick of the carousel. This is the reason I'm for giving the current coaches (except for maybe Danny Smith) at least three years before replacing them. Get some consistency, some players that fit the scheme, then, if Has is still underperforming replace him with another 3-4 coach instead of completely switching schemes again.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 1, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

But I’d like to see Haslett go. I don’t see him ever being confused with Dick LaBeau.

Posted by: TheCork | January 1, 2011 3:01 PM |
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besides the 2000 season in which he was coach of the year with the saints, dude hasn't done squat.


Posted by: hessone | January 1, 2011 3:21 PM


That's one more coach of the year than most...

The only way I'm in favor of dumping Haslett is if it's in favor of Wade Phillips. And even then, I'm more anxious to see us commit to a direction and stick with it. Seems to me we've been losing more because of the players than the coaching. Schemes don't mean much if you don't have the guys to run it...LeBeau's scheme in Pittsburgh wasn't impressing anyone the end of last year when he didn't have Polamalu or Aaron Smith in the lineup...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 1, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Again folks...FA isn't what hurt us over the last decade, it's the MISUSE OF FA that did.


(INSERT applause and shouts of "Hear, hear...")

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 1, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Haha hahah

Here's something funny

Look at Lockers draft stock, last year he coulda went number one, and. Now look at his fall from grace.

I wonder if Luck stays in college will his stock drop also??

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 1, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Okay, 3:45 on a Saturday afternoon. Time for Shanahan's roster moves -- cut two guys and add two guys, one from our practice squad and one from, say, Houston's. Also, sign two guys off the street to our practice squad. That makes for a Happy New Year.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 1, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Pouncey is BALLIN!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 1, 2011 3:47 PM | Report abuse

besides the 2000 season in which he was coach of the year with the saints, dude hasn't done squat.

Posted by: hessone

Let me remind you that was TEN years ago, and he hasn't done squat since.

From what I've seen, offensive coordinators seem well ahead of him. Personally I'd prefer a return to the 4-3. If they are staying 3-4 let's get some young up and comer, who's worked for one of the good DCs, and bring a little risk to the approach.

I'll meet you half way. I'll give him another year. How's that for a new year's compromise?

Posted by: TheCork | January 1, 2011 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Look at Locker's draft stock, last year he coulda went number one, and. Now look at his fall from grace.


Had he remained in college, this would be Mark Sanchez's draft year.

Where would he fit in?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 1, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

The only way I'm in favor of dumping Haslett is if it's in favor of Wade Phillips.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 1, 2011 3:42 PM

I'd rather have Albert Haynesworth coach the defense than Wade Phuucking Fillips. No ex-Cobwoys here, thank you very much.

Otherwise, Happy New Year to you and the Mrs., Brownwood.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 1, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Re: New Year

Have a happy one. Except for the haters and 'Girl-fans. Hope your new year stinks.


Re: Champ Bailey

Can someone tell me why he would want to come here? He's pretty much entered "sign-where-I-can-win-a-ring-soon" territory of his career.


Re: Haslett

I don't see why folks would be down on Haslett. It was Big Genius' call to switch to the 3-4 w/ 4-3 personnel - not Haslett's call. Dude is making the most of what he's got to work with. Doesn't matter how talented the chef is - he'll never make a crap sandwich taste good.


Re: Gibbs 2.0

Not sure how you take a dump on this effort. He went to the playoffs 2 out of 4 seasons while having to babysit Snyder and hold Cerratto's incompetence at bay. He had the organization setup for success - very solid Oline in place. CP still had some good years ahead of him. Jason Campbell had been drafted. And a solid coaching staff in place. Cerratto was the one who decided to go with Zorn instead of coach-in-waiting Gregggggg Williams (who went on to contribute to a SuperBowl effort in New Orleans). Gibbs 2.0 was not Gibbs 1.0, but when you look at context, it was the brightest years of the past 2 decades.

Posted by: p1funk | January 1, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

moe

Would u be happy with this...

Rnd 1 maurkice pouncey Center/ Right Gaurd

Rnd 2 Rodney Hudson Left Gaurd

Rnd 5 Sederick Ellis NT

The add FA

V Jackson
Tamba Hali
Ryan Kalil(?)
Possibly a DE

How would you feel about that rebuild??

Then really have a qb competition??

We wait one yr on our qb but the rebuild around him would look solid atleast to me


Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 1, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

moe

Would u be happy with this...

Rnd 1 maurkice pouncey Center/ Right Gaurd

Rnd 2 Rodney Hudson Left Gaurd

Rnd 5 Sederick Ellis NT

The add FA

V Jackson
Tamba Hali
Ryan Kalil(?)
Possibly a DE

How would you feel about that rebuild??

Then really have a qb competition??

We wait one yr on our qb but the rebuild around him would look solid atleast to me


Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 1, 2011 3:55 PM | Report abuse


I'll meet you half way. I'll give him another year. How's that for a new year's compromise?

Posted by: TheCork | January 1, 2011 3:47 PM |
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you must be hungover, I was in agreement with you about haslett.

Posted by: hessone | January 1, 2011 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Moe-

I say no to Locker, but think Luck, Mallett or Newton might be the ticket..If not, then get nose tackle or Blackmon or top RB that should luckily fall to us..Interior O-line through FA and later rounds...

Posted by: frak | January 1, 2011 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Luck stays in college will his stock drop also??

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 1, 2011 3:46 PM


Only if he gets hurt...even then, he might survive it like Sam Bradford did. I've heard him called the most polished, pro-ready prospect since John Elway. If he's as "can't miss" as people say, he's a lock #1 overall guy regardless of what year he comes out.

Thanks to Beep for the New Year shout out...say what you will about Phillips (and I don't like that country bumpkin any more than the average Skins fan either), but he's an elite level D-coordinator and has history with Shanahan. Besides, what's not to like about getting a guy who ranks amongst the top at his position, knows our division rivals inside and out, and presents an immediate upgrade over the guy currently coordinating the D?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 1, 2011 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Frak

If we add 2 lineman in FA

Id like to make a run at Blackmon, he's the most productive WR this yr but he seems to be under the radar

Aj green n Julio Jones are getting a lot of attention

We need a true number 1 wideout

I think we should add Vjax but I know that's a whole different debate on here

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 1, 2011 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I'll meet you half way. I'll give him another year. How's that for a new year's compromise?

Posted by: TheCork | January 1, 2011 3:47 PM

I'm in the same camp. Embarrassing as it is to cheer for the last ranked defense, I'd rather have stability than a shiny new toy. If there's no improvement next year, then by all means show JH the door. But I'm for patience for now.

Happy New Year RI. Let's F things up for the gints tomorrow.

Posted by: mack1 | January 1, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

brandon_n_cali

Rnd 1 maurkice pouncey Center/ Right Guard

I want Nick Fairley/Ryan Mallett

Rnd 2 Rodney Hudson Left Guard

I want Powe or the next best quarterback

Pick: 4 (olb), 5 (running back), 5 (o-lineman), 5 (free safety), 6 (wr), 7 (tackle), 7 (wr)

FA

V Jackson--chargers are said to be ready to Franchise tag him

Tamba Hali--KC ain't letting him leave

Ryan Kalil(?)--yes, he's a center

Possibly a DE--I want Carl Nicks, guard, Saints

Then really have a qb competition??

Between whom if DM5 is gone and you don't draft a replacement?

No one puts a late round drafted quarterback in just a 'competition'.

These are my thoughts and are subject to change, especially once FA hits.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 1, 2011 4:13 PM | Report abuse

what's not to like....

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 1, 2011 4:06 PM

Guy has been tainted by working for Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cobwoys. True colors: No character.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 1, 2011 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs 2.0 was not Gibbs 1.0, but when you look at context, it was the brightest years of the past 2 decades.

Posted by: p1funk | January 1, 2011 3:54 PM


Excellent, pfunk. Can't sum up Gibbs 2.0 any better than that.

I also think it's why we have so many sourpusses on here...to follow up a competitive playoff contender under Gibbs with the unintentional comedy that was the Zorn Era is enough to make a Skins fan with the sunniest of dispositions a perpetual sandy vag. I think it's all a matter of perspective at this point...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 1, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Having a 320 pound ten year starter at center would go far to improve the offense.--CORK EARLIER

I don't think Mike Shanahan wants a '320 pound' center.--MISTA MOE

Did Cook even play a snap this year? As for Selvish.---CORK EARLIER

I guess making sure they are solid depth guys isn't something we should expect.

Or should we.

And not all of the guys on our practice squad suck:

Rob Jackson was a practice squad player, wasn't he?

And some guy named Brandon Banks was on the practice squad up until Shanahan fell out of love with DT11.

POSTED BY: MISTA MOE

Okay, here's the thing about practice squads. Shanahan knew it was safe to stash a 147 pound undrafted FA there for a few weeks early in the season. Who is gonna sign him and KEEP HIM ACTIVE all season--which they have to do--based on that background, and a rep for fumbling?

Yes, JACKSON did well in the one game he played, and he was called up to the big squad late in the season.

I haven't seek Cook or Capers play except in pre-season, where they were unexceptional.

BUT, late in the season, where practically everyone including the Redskins need OLINE depth, Capers wasn't called up to the big squad, or swiped by someone else, who'd only have to use him for a game or two. See my point? And Cook hasn't seen a snap. Like Jackson, he too was called up from the PS.

You implied C&C can step right in next year. I'm saying, in the friendliest of New Year spirit, you're full of soup.

The team doesn't NEED "seven left tackles" as you said. They have a very good one. BUT they have four OLINE positions that need upgrading. And if Shanahan had Pouncey--his twin is all pro as a rookie-- he could play guard if he doesn't want him at C. Trent Williams and Pouncy would be the best left side combo since the Hogs.

This team has neglected OLINE for ten years, gone for the flashy QB FA and drafted a couple. None are franchises. WRs drafted, also equally unsuccessful in DC.

Yes, a Brady would be nice. And I said, if Shanahan sees one, take him. But, he'll be a lamb to slaughter if the OLine isn't rebuilt.

As for D-line. I agree a NT solves a lot of ills.

You suggest Kalil at "Center" Good player, but coming out of college he was listed at about 285. Unless he's added some weight, he'd have the same issues Rabach has had dealing with good, big NTs and DLs.

Why do you think Shanahan could put anyone with a pulse at RB in Denver and expect 1000 yards? Because his lines were good as well as his scheme. You want a back to be great? Give him a great line to run behind,. Great running attack:? Suddenly even average QBs will do.

Oh, and Happy New year. I enjoy your thoughtful posts.

Posted by: TheCork | January 1, 2011 4:16 PM | Report abuse


beeeeeps

Posted by: hessone | January 1, 2011 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Guy has been tainted by working for Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cobwoys. True colors: No character.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 1, 2011 4:14 PM


C'mon Beep, it's not like we haven't had any former Cowpukes work out...I mean, Deion...wait, I mean Norv...um, ok--then let's go with Galbraith...aw F it, point taken...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 1, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Moe

I like what you laid out the only thing I see is that you plan on solving our o line issues with more back ups??

Mallet as our qb is possible, id take fairley

As for powe, id wait n grab an olb if your comfortable with our line situation

Fairley plus a OLB will help the rebuild on defense

Sadly a rebuilt defense does nothing to help a struggling offense although a rebuilt offense can help a sturggling d.

Who cares if we stop them every drive if we can't get a first down, see where I'm going with this??

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 1, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Moe

I like what you laid out the only thing I see is that you plan on solving our o line issues with more back ups??

Mallet as our qb is possible, id take fairley

As for powe, id wait n grab an olb if your comfortable with our line situation

Fairley plus a OLB will help the rebuild on defense

Sadly a rebuilt defense does nothing to help a struggling offense although a rebuilt offense can help a sturggling d.

Who cares if we stop them every drive if we can't get a first down, see where I'm going with this??

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 1, 2011 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Lisa_R said :
"they (Shanahans)have made the Redskins the laughingstock of the NFL"

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Say what ?! Not a decade of Snyder / Ceratto incompetance, not 2 embarassing Zorn years, oh no, it's the SHANAHANS (who's been here less than a full year), who've made the 'Skins a "laughingstock" ? I have 2 issues with that statement:

1) 'Skins have been a laughingstock for years, where've you been?

2) Shanny (and Allen) are the best thing to happen to this team in a long time .. Admitedly thats not saying much since so little good has happened here since ,oh around the time Snyder bought the team (coincidence? I think not) ,but they are this teams best chance to become a contender again .... Perfect? NO! ,and the whole McNabb debacle is confidence shaking , but these guys might be whats needed to change the "laughingstock" culture thats become so deeply ingrained in this franchise - give 'em a couple years to see what they can do, if it doesnt work then I'll be right there with you ready to run them outa town ....

Posted by: RoidRage | January 1, 2011 5:19 PM | Report abuse

What's up with the rumors on 980 that Shanny wants out and wants to go back to Denver??

Posted by: jj250 | January 1, 2011 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks they know anything about the redskins needs to read this blog;
http://nativeamericanrights-redskins.blogspot.com/

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