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Shanahan likely to emphasize running game -- again

A strong running game was nearly as integral to Mike Shanahan's success in Denver as the presence of quarterback John Elway and Shanahan is likely to use the same approach with the Redskins, Barry Svrluga writes.

Nine times in Shanahan's 14 seasons, the Broncos ranked in the top five in the NFL in rushing yards per game. In the early days, it was easy to see why. When Shanahan took over as the team's head coach in 1995, the Broncos selected running back Terrell Davis out of Georgia. Shanahan put him behind a line that included several players who would make multiple Pro Bowl appearances -- center Tom Nalen, guard Mark Schlereth, tackle Gary Zimmerman -- and went to work.
"He just kind of said, 'Keep it simple, stupid,' " said Schlereth, now an analyst with ESPN. "We were simple and we were consistent. I think one of the things that Mike was able to do was take essentially six or seven running plays and make it look like 36 or 37 running plays. He used different formations, different adjustments, motion.
"Ultimately, it's 11 guys understanding exactly what they're doing. If you change your formation or you change your shift or you change your personnel grouping, only one or two guys are lining up and giving a different look, but nine guys are doing the exact same things."
That, former players said, bred consistency, because the linemen and the running backs knew exactly what to expect. They had repeated the plays -- albeit with slightly different formations or men in motion -- in practice, then repeated them in games. The offensive linemen became experts in zone blocking, and because the groups were so cohesive and, for the most part, healthy, the Broncos, as Schlereth said, "just felt like going into a game we were going to out-execute you."

By Cindy Boren  |  January 10, 2010; 7:10 AM ET
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All for running!

Posted by: watchingfromasia | January 10, 2010 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Now if Shanahan can keep Portis from "running" his mouth, that's a block that better than any of our offensive lineman would ever do. :-)

Posted by: UHATEME1 | January 10, 2010 7:36 AM | Report abuse

This article is some good, solid reporting by Svrluga, tracking down people who've played for Shanahan and asking what it was like. Hope to read more stories like this -- there's still a lot more out there. Next up, I hope: What was up with Shanahan's defenses?

To me, the most exciting thing in this story is near the end where he quotes Bauerlein. "He had amazing timing and just a fearless nature to his play-calling. He's extremely aggressive. He gives the players the opportunity to make plays. But it's all based off his commitment to the running game. He will stay committed to the running game as well as anyone in football."

Fearless, aggressive play-calling? Now that's what I'm talking about. I can't remember that since Gibbs 1.0. Zorn's idea of "fearless, aggressive play-calling" was a fake field goal.

Posted by: League-Source | January 10, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

I can see Sherm Smith taking a demotion to just RB Coach...

Stump is gone, though.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 10, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Do you really need to draft a QB early if this is the strategy? Jason Campbell seems more than adequate for this type of offense. If this is true, then it would appear to telegraph using the draft and FA to build the type of O-line that Schlereth describes.

Posted by: Ebola_22039 | January 10, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Let's hope so, Ebola_22039.

Also, don't come to my neighborhood, plz.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 10, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

you're only as good a play-caller as the quality of players you have... even a great general can't win a war simply with his brilliant strategies without good weapons or solders.

this all sounds good on paper till they actually have to go out and play the game.

Posted by: joek443 | January 10, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

F dallass

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 10, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

even Zorn sounded good when he first got the job... everyone has a plan to succeed, it's always about the execution.

Posted by: joek443 | January 10, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

F Felix Jones

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 10, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Playoff QBs and when drafted
Romo - UFA
McNabb - 2nd Overall
Rodgers - 1st Rd 24th Overall
Warner - UFA
Brady - 6th Rd 199th Overall
Flacco - 1st Rd 18th Overall
Palmer - 1st Rd 1st Overall
Sanchez - 1st Rd5th Overall
Manning - 1st Rd1st Overall
Favre - 2nd Rd 33rd Overall
Rivers - 1st Rd 4th Overall
Brees - 2nd Rd 32nd Overall ( and before anyone says something stupid about being the 32nd pick in the 2nd rd,it is obvious someone missed their pick )

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 10, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

F Romo

Posted by: geotherm21 | January 10, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Playoff QBs and when drafted

Romo - UFA
McNabb - 1st Rd 2nd Overall
Rodgers - 1st Rd 24th Overall
Warner - UFA
Brady - 6th Rd 199th Overall
Flacco - 1st Rd 18th Overall
Palmer - 1st Rd 1st Overall
Sanchez - 1st Rd5th Overall
Manning - 1st Rd1st Overall
Favre - 2nd Rd 33rd Overall
Rivers - 1st Rd 4th Overall
Brees - 2nd Rd 32nd Overall ( and before anyone says something stupid about being the 32nd pick in the 2nd rd,it is obvious someone missed their pick )

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 10, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Why are people still talking about Jason Campbell? He's been with us for 5 years and been the starter for 4. The one time we get to the playoffs while he's here is a direct result of him getting hurt. Things like this amaze me about this country and DC in particular, we have a soft spot for slow losers ie 8 years of Bush.

Posted by: AnthonyMix | January 10, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Why are people still talking about Jason Campbell? He's been with us for 5 years and been the starter for 4. The one time we get to the playoffs while he's here is a direct result of him getting hurt. Things like this amaze me about this country and DC in particular, we have a soft spot for slow losers ie 8 years of Bush.

Posted by: AnthonyMix | January 10, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

A Mix,

I don't mind if we keep Campbell another year and draft a QB this year to sit back and learn under "The Shanny's".... I don't think Campbell costs us many games...he hasn't won that many either, but he gets a little better each year.. We certainly could be doing worse. He's big durable and I think under Shanny can be serviceable until we identify who/when that other QB starts.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 10, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

No gd q-backs with these top picks this year. Now that's final. School is out. Class dismissed. SHANNY see these pupils to the door.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 10, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

This QB class this year is very weak. I don't think it is worth using our top pick on one of "top" QBs of this class. If I had the choice, I'd use our pick for Russell Okung if the Chiefs don't select him. I still support JC for next year and hopefully we get to keep him for at least one more year. I hope Shanny can improve JC's game and get some good production out of JC next year. Hopefully Shanny can find a QB flying under the radar in the later rounds, and develop him next year by riding on the bench. However, we do have Colt Brennan so I wonder what Shanny thinks of him.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

MyPostIDisAfake,

I would not call Bradford or Clausen "very weak"... I have not been one of those that says draft a QB instead of a Tackle....... Just throwing it out there.. Bradford has very similar stats to Peyton Manning in College going against the same competition...

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 10, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

"Fearless, aggressive play-calling? Now that's what I'm talking about. I can't remember that since Gibbs 1.0."Posted by: League-Sourc

I never thought of Gibbs as a particularly aggressive play-caller. He did disguise his plays well, usually through motion. He was also a fan of using a play until the defense proved they could stop it (even if that meant getting shut down on a couple possessions.)He was a look-downfield-first guy in the passing attack, but otherwise sort of conservative and even cautious.

Now Don Coryell, there was an aggressive play caller.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 10, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

"I would not call Bradford or Clausen "very weak"... "

I'd have to agree with you. Clausen is a very accurate deep thrower. Bradford is more of a question because he hasn't played in a pro-style offense. Jevan Snead is a good-looking prospect coming off an unexpectedly weak senior season. Colt McCoy is a bit of a question for the same reason as Bradford.

Jake Locker just wasn't ready yet. Another season with Sarkisian and he could be a clear number one QB. But Locker gets rated highly because of his athleticism, not his passing accuracy.

Just happened to watch that silly Army HS All-Star game before the NFL playoffs yesterday. Turns out the best player on the field was the guy who got in only as a result of some goofy reality-show competition. He absolutely torched the opposing defense for two TDs in the fourth, when he got in the game. Name is Cole Marcoux, he's 6'5", 235, comes from NY City and is going to Dartmouth, believe it or not.

But he looked like the young Drew Bledsoe out there.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 10, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe people are still calling to draft a qb high. Have you people been watching over the last couple of years? take a lesson from Detroit. Good, young quarterbacks get hammered and become useless without a line.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 10, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Samson,

I agree with you... Gibbs is a lot like what "Stink" was describing Shanny as... a few plays with a ton of disguises for each play... I would not call that agressive, but they both take their shots off of Play Action. Living in Houston ( now San Antonio ) I got to watch Kyle Shannahan's offense. I am excited to see our new offense.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 10, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

No one is saying to draft one and play them. Which is why I am saying we have to keep Campbell. I would not be upset with Bradford or Clausen. In an uncapped year, there has to be a FA Tackle out there... Rinehart played well when he was in there consistently at Guard...They will keep Dockery and we had our 3rd, 4th and 5th string running backs with a full back who forgot to block. During that streak of 3 or 4 games when we played well it was the same exact OLine each week. ( let me be clear, Will Montgomery, BMW, won't be sniffing the field next year and will be replaced)

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 10, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I have never been good at telling how skills will transition from college. But when was the last time the league had a clear top 5 pick QB available? I mean a QB always goes top 5 but how many times were they worth it and everyone knew it?

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

I think with a wicked D, a dominant O line and a running game, we can win with Soup (or almost anybody for that matter), so drafting a QB right away is not my biggest priority.

If, however, you want to consistently roll through the NFL, win 11-13 games a year and regularly contend for the Super Bowl - the ONLY real reason to play pro football, you will eventually need to upgrade the QB. Soup MIGHT have a season like that once - MAYBE twice depending on the team of superstars around him.

Look at the great franchises of last decade. QB greatness was in part defined by their ability to bring the team back with 90-140 seconds left on the clock and WIN - REGARDLESS OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES (including injuries to themselves or key players). THEY found a way to get it done. That would be one of the biggest hole in JC-17's resume (that and virtually no playoff success, but I digress....)

Posted by: edvar | January 10, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

The one thing we should all pay attention to in these playoff games, is that the teams that have won had the more dominate play along the LOS. The Skins DL can usually hold its own. The Skins OL, not so much. Build the OL (2 picks), and depth to the DL (1 pick), LB (1 pick), and RB (1pick).

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

No one is saying to draft one and play them.

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 10, 2010 12:23 PM |

Oh, maybe not this morning but contrary to what you are saying there are plenty of people on this blog calling for exactly that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 10, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

we have a soft spot for slow losers
AnthonyMix

Is that supposed to be ironic or sardonic?

Posted by: daggar | January 10, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

we have a soft spot for slow losers
AnthonyMix

Is that supposed to be ironic or sardonic?

Posted by: daggar | January 10, 2010 12:30 PM |

Thats great daggar. Hey Mix, I would dump that handle.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 10, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I agree with scampbell1975, I would not have a problem with using all our picks in this years draft on the O line. I will say this though in the drafting Safety Berry would help our defense, in particular in the deep passing game. We got to get Landry back closer to line of scrimage.

Posted by: dsquare | January 10, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

SCampbell,

I should have said, "I am not saying", but I was as against the idea of a QB w/ the 4th as anyone. I have to be honest, Bradford and Clausen are decent prospects. I agree with TWISI saying we need at least 2 picks on the OL, but I am not necessarily saying it has to be with the 1st pick. However, my first WISH, is that we trade down from # 4 to get an additional high pick or two. Or better yet, imagine what Tom Brady could do with Cooley for the next couple of years? NE has an extra 1st rd pick next year too. Maybe the HOODIE is so bold to trade a 1st for a Pro Bowl player in his prime... Crazier things have happened. ( Long, Long, Longshot that Cooley is worth a 1st and probably unlikely, but giving them back a pick for an extra 1st may be worth it)

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 10, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

I have never been good at telling how skills will transition from college. But when was the last time the league had a clear top 5 pick QB available? I mean a QB always goes top 5 but how many times were they worth it and everyone knew it?

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 12:25 PM |

+++

Just my opinion, but to me, the only guaranteed sure-shot no risk #1 round top 5 pick QB's of the modern era(80's and up) were Troy Aikman, John Elway and Peyton Manning. Just no chance they weren't gonna be spectacular.

People somehow forget that Elway went to 3 Super Bowls before he won it twice.

I thought any other pick had some risk attached to them.

Posted by: edvar | January 10, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I just can't another season of Campbell dumping the ball off because je can't read the field. Now we have to go through another offensive scheme am the excuse is going to be he's had to learn 6 new offenses in 6 years. He is just so boring to watch and the fact that our offense suck makes it even worse.

Posted by: AnthonyMix | January 10, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I, too, would like to trade back IF Okung is not available. Having said that trading back from 4th ain't that easy.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 10, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

even Zorn sounded good when he first got the job... everyone has a plan to succeed, it's always about the execution. Posted by: joek443 | January 10, 2010 10:39 AM

really? when he couldn't recite team colors? or when he compared the skins-boys rivalry to raiders-seahawks? or was it the z-shades? it must've been the way he said "hi".

Posted by: dealer1 | January 10, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

SCampbell,

I think trading back the 4th will be easier this year than in other years b/c I really believe this a fairly decent draft in the Top 5-7 players... A lot of solid picks that with an impending lock out coming,... plus take a look at the Teams drafting in the first half of the draft.... All Crap teams

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 10, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

CLEGG:

"In an uncapped year, there has to be a FA Tackle out there..."

Dude, in an uncapped year the good ones aren't unrestricted until their seventh season, they're RFA's. DONALD PENN is an excellent choice for LT IMO, but we'll never get him unless we outbid his team, and when we do, they get comps.......draft picks. It's not a good situation to be using our top two picks on a q-back. We need o-linemen, a RB, a DT, a SSLB which we can get in UFA ANGELO CROWELL - KEITH BULLOCK, a top CB and FS. This team has too many holes to fill this season alone. Thank goodness the BAG-MAN gave us two DE's, a DT, and a kicker and punter. Now we need a coach to use their talents rather than having them "fit the system." Any coach who's so weak-minded that the players he has must "fit his system" is an ego-driven clown who can't adapt to the strengths of the players he has on the team, and not worth a damm IMO. That includes SHANAHAN if he fits the mould.

Hey, LaVAR how about that? MONEYSWORTH? they gonna' turn you lose now that BLATCHE is out of the way?

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 10, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

My 700,000,000 cents...

He's leaving to earn himself $7 million per year. If that's self preservation, I wish someone would preserve me.

Posted by: League-Source | January 9, 2010 8:29 PM

To make cents equal dollar you have to move the decimal point two digits to the left. You failed this test if you are trying to match the $7M figure of the contract. Another proof of...oh forget it, if I have to explain you will not understand.

Posted by: Keyskonnection | January 9, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Just finished reading last nights thread of posts. Hilarious. Some RIer's were hitting the bottle during the evening football games. Good reading! I don't think I've heard a post from Keyskonnection before, and I doubt if we will again after this mathematical poost! Wow.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 10, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Glawrence,

My point was not articulated very well... Uncapped Year = Spending for the Danny...he can outbid someone he wants. Tackles can play 10-11 years in this league as the good ones normally do. So getting one in year 7 is not an issue for me as we find young ones to develop. Shanny is rumored to really like Bradford.
RB's, not as worried about b/c Shanny proved that he doesn't have to draft them high with his OLine. LB, yes. FS, yes and CB yes.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 10, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Brees - 2nd Rd 32nd Overall ( and before anyone says something stupid about being the 32nd pick in the 2nd rd,it is obvious someone missed their pick )

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 10, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse
No, he was drafted in 2001, before the final league expansion. Houston Texans were founded in 2002.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 10, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Fritz,

You are correct sir.. Thanks.. hangover brain fart... especially since i lived in Houston for past 10 yrs.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 10, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I repeat, the most dominate line play will win championships.

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

there is no reason why the Redskins couldnt feature the run next year, and STILL draft a future QB who can effectively pass eventually. that is the template that the Ravens used. draft Flacco and use a run heavy offense that takes the pressure off the QB while he develops..
if you have a shot a drafting a franchise QB, you take it IF HE IS THERE.. quality offensive linemen can be found throughout the draft.
Ravens dominating offensive line ? one first rounder, a third, a 5th, and two free agents..
By all means tender Campbell to keep our options open, but if a franchise QB is out there when we are picking, take him !!!

Posted by: shally | January 10, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

the most important signing by Shanny...DC, he doesnt have a great track record with that, plus dont let the defense just be an afterthought for next 4-5 years.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 10, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Fritz,

You are correct sir.. Thanks.. hangover brain fart... especially since i lived in Houston for past 10 yrs.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 10, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse
CLEGG, that's even funnier that you lived in Houston for 10 yrs! We all have those brain farts.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 10, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Wow, it has only been five minutes, but the Ravens are absolutely dominating the Pats. I have never seen such a dominating performance so early in a playoff game.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Put in his hand in the dirt, and Orakpo will become to Eli Manning and Tony Romo what Terrell Suggs is to Tom Brady...

a nemesis.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 10, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

there is no reason why the Redskins couldnt feature the run next year, and STILL draft a future QB who can effectively pass eventually. that is the template that the Ravens used. draft Flacco and use a run heavy offense that takes the pressure off the QB while he develops..
if you have a shot a drafting a franchise QB, you take it IF HE IS THERE.. quality offensive linemen can be found throughout the draft.
Ravens dominating offensive line ? one first rounder, a third, a 5th, and two free agents..
By all means tender Campbell to keep our options open, but if a franchise QB is out there when we are picking, take him !!!

Posted by: shally | January 10, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse
shally, I agree if the fraanchise QB is there. But we are picking #4. Franchise QB, like PManning, Elway goes with #1 pick if he is there. Most analysts don't think these guys are in that league.

Also, it's a close 2nd that you need to have an anchor LT. With Samuels ready to retire, and having a chance at Okung, who could anchor LT for 10 more years, I think we have to take him if he is available.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 10, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

It's early but the Ravens are putting the screws to the Pats.


The knock on Ray Rice coming out of Rutgers was speed??

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Ray Rice does run like Emmitt.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 10, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Tom Brady looks human today

Posted by: joek443 | January 10, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Belichick has found out these past two years that it is difficult to win Super Bowls, or playoff games for that matter, without cheating.

Aaaaand another turnover by the Golden Boy.

Indeed, an impressive performance early by the Ravens.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Will never tire of seeing Tom Brady lose.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 10, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why I am starting to lean towards Bradford...I will have to go with "Shallys" post above... Phillip Rivers was thought to be a good pick, not an elite one.... I think Bradford or Clausen for that matter will be good QB's in the NFL. Shanny likes Very Accurate passers and that is Bradford.

Wow the Ravens look fast!

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 10, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

LOL, Golden Boy has an 8.3 rating.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

"Or, do you work for the Wash Post and just try to drive click refresh Ad revenues by stirring up counter opinions??"


Campbell v. Sanchez was the question.

Someone accused me of 'flip-flopping'.

Again: Sanchez's success is due in large part to his having one of the best offensive lines in the league to play behind.

He also has, in B Schottenheimer, one of the best offensive coordinators in the league.

Finally, the kid is also showing via the media he has that 'it' charisma that makes a guy a star.

The jets drafted him and he gets to grow in a stable situation much unlike that which J Campbell has endured.

But even with all his accuracy, charisma, and moxie, Sanchez would've been crushed playing behind a bad line, with injured running backs, and poor offensive scheming.

Sanchez in D.C. would've been 4-12 in D.C. in 2009.

Campbell in green and white in 2009 is playoffs and media attention.

All of these facts are what makes it foolish to even debate the issue.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

L-O-L, three rushing TDs by the Ravens. Pats down 21-0.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

The old adage is that you can't win a game is the 1st qtr but you can certainly lose a game.

Stupid...This one is OVER.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I could be wrong about his, but Sanchez looks like a great QB in the making.

love his energy.

and Ed Reed is awesome.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 10, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

OMG, another INT by Golden Boy? This is pathetic.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Golden Boy current rating: 2.8

How low can he go?

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

First of all the Ravens game has brady looking like Tim Couch.

Second
I love a running game but whos available in FA at RB?

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

The Skins need to get the franchise LT first. They won't beat Dallas, NYG, or Philly without one.

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

This is really a beautiful thing!!!! I am killing my buddy in Boston that has been giving me the "business" for the past 9 years....

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 10, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Second
I love a running game but whos available in FA at RB?

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 1:41 PM

An upgrade is going to need to come from the draft, unless you're looking for a 29+ yr old RB. We more than enough of those.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

but he (Sanchez) would not have been a great QB for the Washington Redskins anymore than Jason Campbell has turned out to be.

but all other things being equal, owing to intangibles, like verve, and tangibles, like accuracy...

Sanchez is the better of the two, for any team, at any time, in any color.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 10, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Golden Boy rating: 0.0

He went as low as he can.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

and the stage is set for another epic come back by The Golden Boy.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 10, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I would like to thank the Pats for participating the 2010 NFL playoffs.

While it's great to see them getting manhandled. They'll be fine. They have 5-6 picks in the first 3 rounds while we have a total of 5.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

This QB class this year is very weak. I don't think it is worth using our top pick on one of "top" QBs of this class. If I had the choice, I'd use our pick for Russell Okung if the Chiefs don't select him. I still support JC for next year and hopefully we get to keep him for at least one more year. I hope Shanny can improve JC's game and get some good production out of JC next year. Hopefully Shanny can find a QB flying under the radar in the later rounds, and develop him next year by riding on the bench. However, we do have Colt Brennan so I wonder what Shanny thinks of him.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 11:37 AM |

It's hard to read the rest of your post when you don't know that the Skins pick before the Chiefs.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 10, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

The Patriots look like a kid who forgot to study for the big test.

plus the Raven's game plan looks lock down tight.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 10, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't know Chia_Pet.

After one quarter, Golden Boy's efficiency is a whopping 8.3. And Billy Boy's defense has given up 111 rushing yards and three rushing TDs. Let's not forget the three turnovers either.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm never dropping this handle anthony mix was more important to the success of or team than Leigh Torrence. The kickoff he recovered in Seattle after Collins led us to the promised land.

Posted by: AnthonyMix | January 10, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Why no challenge?

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

You are indeed correct. It was simply a botch on my part. I knew they had #4.

---------------------------------

It's hard to read the rest of your post when you don't know that the Skins pick before the Chiefs.

Posted by: Flounder21

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Cheats are imploding, I love it. Duff call on the punt return muff.

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | January 10, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

ya, faker.

3 TDs to Tom Brady is what pocket change is to Donald Trump.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 10, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

You've got to challenge that?!

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

"The Skins need to get the franchise LT first. They won't beat Dallas, NYG, or Philly without one."

True in a lot of ways.

The cowboy--a la the jints--stunted their defensive linemen so much that it was impossible for any group of offensive linemen to deal with the size and speed mismatches it created.

When you combine that with tight man coverage, McNabb had no where to throw.

Going forward, you know just about every team is going to delay stunt their defensive ends to 'screw up' and attack protection schemes.

So maybe what Shanny and Bruce should look to do is scout for o-linemen who are agile, athletic, and can trade off rushers in pass protection.

But then again, 30 other teams will be looking for the same thing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Why no challenge?

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2010 1:53 PM

The difference is that FOX would have gone to 3 mins of commercials (Simpsons, AI, etc.) and given a team ample time to watch the replay while CBS stays with the game.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Don't be so fast to count out the Pats, there is a lot of game left and there is no better team in the league at keeping there poise and playing like Pros.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 10, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

We shall see. Luckily I have no stake in this game as a fan.

Isn't pocket change all that the Trump has in his pocket? How many times has he declared bankruptcy for his business ventures? I don't think that's an accurate comparison.

-------------------------------------

3 TDs to Tom Brady is what pocket change is to Donald Trump.

Posted by: Chia_Pet

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Let's start with the premise (reality) that Jason Campbell will never develop into a franchise QB for the Skins. If the coaching staff determines that there's a franchise QB available at #4 they should, by all means, draft him.

Yes we need OL help, but a top OT will only get us a couple more wins next year. And we'll still need a new QB. So when do we get one? A new QB now may not get us more wins next year, but this team needs rebuilding and, if done properly, will take several years. Let's not fall into the instant gratification trap that we do every offseason.

Your odds of getting a true franchise QB out of the top five picks is better than later rounds. I trust Shanny's judgement. If he feels Bradfor, Clausen, or someone else, is that man, then draft him and develop. If not, then go in another direction. This is the most talented coach/Gm combination we've had here in a long time. They'll get this thing turned around.

Posted by: bones21 | January 10, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Moe,

"So maybe what Shanny and Bruce should look to do is scout for o-linemen who are agile, athletic, and can trade off rushers in pass protection"

Denver's OLine in the 90's average around 290 lbs, 20 lbs lighter then the rest of the league..... That is what he does, so he will get his guys...

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 10, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

The tide is turning!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 10, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I dunno faker.

The Donald Trump comparison is just the best I could do at the time.

but I'm pretty sure Trump's finances are decent.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 10, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Why no challenge?

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Game announcers said the replay was not show on the big screen in the stadium.

Speculation: Belichek keeps any replay from showing that may help the opponent, including the CC feed in the coaches booth for the Ravens. It was such an obvious challenge upon a look at the game broadcast "quick replay", the only thing that makes sense is the the Raven's booth coaches didn't see it. Especially up 24 with all your timeouts left in the first half, it was a no brainer cahllenge.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

"Sanchez is the better of the two, for any team, at any time, in any color."

Again, true.

Not that Campbell is all that bad, mind you.

Consider:

Brad Johnson, 1999 season
att 316 comp 519 yds 4005 tds 24 ints 13

Jason Campbell, 2009 season
att 327 comp 507 yds 3,618 tds 20 ints 15


Maybe if Campbell doesn't get sacked 43 times, endure wacky play calling, and no running game we're talking pro bowl and not about M Sanchez.

Again: maybe

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

One hair on Shanny's arm knows more about football then every person on the blog combined, so I think I will trust his judgement when it comes to what he needs with the 1st pick.

I think we need OT but what the SJK do I know.

I wouldn't say that there is no great QB in this draft, not many people thought much of Philip Rivers and he has been very good to great.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 10, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I think the pats will win this thing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

if "Sanchez plus Redskins = 4-12, and Campbell + Jets= Playoffs and media attention" why was there little or no interest in Campbell this past off season ?
you think for a second Rex Ryan wanted to put his offense in Campbell's hands ? not a chance.
Sanchez had his rough moments, but he looks to be developing nicely (yeah he has a fine offensive line) and will only get better.

anybody here feel that "Campbell's best games are ahead of him" is anything more than coach-speak ?

no QB in the history of the Redskins has gotten more support, and more excuse making than Campbell.. nice guy, flawed qb.. time to move on..

Posted by: shally | January 10, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Where do the Pats find all these little fast white dudes.

Did this guy Adelmen play at all this year?

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 10, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't say that there is no great QB in this draft, not many people thought much of Philip Rivers and he has been very good to great.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 10, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I totally agree Flounder... I too will trust Allen and Shanny's personnel decisions... ( Wow, how long has it been since a Redskins fan said that?)

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 10, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Do you not think ex players and coaches that are fans of the team don't read or post here? I know of one former NFL coach (who is related to me) that throws his 2 cents in from time to time.

Posted by: AnthonyMix | January 10, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm on the same train as Flounder. I would like to see Shanny draft Okung if he's available.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Let's start with the premise (reality) that Jason Campbell will never develop into a franchise QB for the Skins. If the coaching staff determines that there's a franchise QB available at #4 they should, by all means, draft him.

Yes we need OL help, but a top OT will only get us a couple more wins next year. And we'll still need a new QB. So when do we get one? A new QB now may not get us more wins next year, but this team needs rebuilding and, if done properly, will take several years. Let's not fall into the instant gratification trap that we do every offseason.

Your odds of getting a true franchise QB out of the top five picks is better than later rounds. I trust Shanny's judgement. If he feels Bradfor, Clausen, or someone else, is that man, then draft him and develop. If not, then go in another direction. This is the most talented coach/Gm combination we've had here in a long time. They'll get this thing turned around.

Posted by: bones21 | January 10, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse


I think a LOT of the offseason strategy will depend on the new regime's evaluation of the prospects of Colt Brennan. He is accurate, fairly mobile, fiery, and reads the field well. He has "upside". Now, that's what i see... but i sure as h3ll ain't the one who matters. I will be very interested to see how that portion of the off season scenario develops.

I'll also be interested to see if the Shannys decide to work with JC, and if yes, can they undo the damage that Zorn did. JC is the kind of guy you have to coach to be more aggressive with the ball down the field, not less. JZ had him afraid to let it rip, and had JC looking to checkdown in the first nano second. Of course, i think the reverse is best.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I would like to thank the Pats for participating the 2010 NFL playoffs.

While it's great to see them getting manhandled. They'll be fine. They have 5-6 picks in the first 3 rounds while we have a total of 5.


Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 1:48 PM

Let me be the first to quote Lee Corso...Not so fast my friend.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Can not win the NFC East without a quality OLT. Not while, Ware, Cole, Usi/Kiwa/Tuck are still on the field. Unless you have McNabb, can not win the NFC East without running the football.

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Man how awesome would it be to cycle Wilfork into our Dline rotation. He and AH could line up next to each other and take turns "occupying" and "unleashing".

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Let me be the first to quote Lee Corso...Not so fast my friend.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse


Speaking of annoying little azz hats: still hate corso for pimping granpa torretta for the Heisman instead of Marshall Faulk. I was in San Dog back when MF was at SDSU, everybody out there KNOWS he got jobbed, and Corso was a toretta hummer extraordinaire.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

"I'll also be interested to see if the Shannys decide to work with JC"

It all starts there.

Then, which vets or underachieving younger players are shown the door?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Do you not think ex players and coaches that are fans of the team don't read or post here? I know of one former NFL coach (who is related to me) that throws his 2 cents in from time to time.

Posted by: AnthonyMix | January 10, 2010 2:17 PM

You're referring to the guy who posts here as Cork, aren't you? He used to coach the Green Bay Packers, 1959-67, under his real name, Vince Lombardi. Problem is he's been dead 39 years, and if you don't believe it just read a few of his posts.

Posted by: League-Source | January 10, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

SkinsfaninKaneohe

Agree Colt should get a look. Don't think JZ ever gave him a fair shot.

Posted by: bones21 | January 10, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Broncos give Texans permission to interview Dennison

Posted by Mike Florio on January 10, 2010 1:25 PM ET
Recently, former Broncos coach Mike Shanahan sought permission to interview Denver running backs coach Bobby Turner.

And the Broncos said no.

Now, former Broncos offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak (and current Houston head coach) has sought permission to interview Broncos offensive line coach Rick Dennison to replace Kyle Shanahan as offensive coordinator of the Texans.

Per Adam Schefter of ESPN, the Broncos said yes.

The different stances are curious, given that Shanahan and Broncos owner Pat Bowlen said all the right things at the press conference last January regarding Shanahan's departure. But the reality is that any success from Shanahan in Washington could make the Broncos look foolish for letting him go -- especially since he'll be paid $3.5 million in each of the next two years by Bowlen to not coach the Broncos.

By league rule, the Broncos could have denied the Texans permission to talk to Dennison. Even though the move technically constitutes a promotion, teams may block any coach under contract from leaving for any job other than head coach.

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Shanny will give JC at least a year because we will tender him an offer and I doubt any team will be willing to pay such money AND surrender a 1st and 3rd rounder for him. I'd say 80% chance JC is under center for the Skins in '10. After that? All depends what he does this coming year.

DRAFT OKUNG

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 10, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I thought the JZ was one of the top five QB coaches, as has been posted here umpteen million times. If that has any credibility then it's mostly on Soup. If not then maybe not all on Soup. Just my opinion, Soup lacks that ability to read and then process defenses. His accuracy is very questionable. He does have a rocket arm, but that would be my 7th or 8th category that i would look for in a QB. He has not shown the ability to look everyone in the eye and say I am the man. Put the game on my shoulders and I'll get the job done.

Just my opinion and everyone knows about that. Everyone has one.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 10, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Shanny will give JC at least a year because we will tender him an offer and I doubt any team will be willing to pay such money AND surrender a 1st and 3rd rounder for him.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 10, 2010 2:39 PM

They don't have to give us a first and a third. They will negotiate something else -- a third and a conditional pick in 2011. JC will not be back.

Posted by: League-Source | January 10, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Let me be the first to quote Lee Corso...Not so fast my friend.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse


Speaking of annoying little azz hats: still hate corso for pimping granpa torretta for the Heisman instead of Marshall Faulk. I was in San Dog back when MF was at SDSU, everybody out there KNOWS he got jobbed, and Corso was a toretta hummer extraordinaire.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 2:32 PM

That was criminal, Gino should have to walk the trophy to NFL studios and hand it to Faulk.

I had to use the quote on my own post because it's still early and to prevent the resident RI azz hats from digging thru the old posts looking for things to correct.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Golden Boy misses Wes.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

"Agree Colt should get a look. Don't think JZ ever gave him a fair shot."


All that notwithstanding, if this gets a 'shot,' I hope it's tequila and not starting quarterback.

I'd rather take a shot at Tebow with the fourth pick.

Check out how the jets use Brad Smith in the 'wild cat'.

I'd rather see Tebow doing that 4-5 times a game than Colt getting a shot.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Shanny will give JC at least a year because we will tender him an offer and I doubt any team will be willing to pay such money AND surrender a 1st and 3rd rounder for him. I'd say 80% chance JC is under center for the Skins in '10. After that? All depends what he does this coming year.

DRAFT OKUNG

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 10, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I agree, if i was forced to bet even money, i would select the scenario you have laid out. Definitely agree that THE MOVE this year is a FRANCHISE LOT, which MIGHT even be available in a tradedown.

If it was me based on what i think i know right now, I take Okung and best BPA RB/LB in the second, then get the other spot in the 4th. Those are the three most glaring needs: Potential probowl LOT, and immediate starter RB and LB.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I have a serious question about Tebow,

If he is available in the 4th round is he worth a look finally or no? I don't think he is a starting QB but could he be a wildcat stile QB or some X factor type of player?

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather take a shot at Tebow with the fourth pick.

Check out how the jets use Brad Smith in the 'wild cat'.

I'd rather see Tebow doing that 4-5 times a game than Colt getting a shot.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2010 2:47 PM

That's your best effort in a while. You are a true comedic genius.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

"DRAFT OKUNG"

"They will negotiate something else -- a third and a conditional pick in 2011. JC will not be back."

1 option:
If you take Okung, can you have Clausen/Bradford?

No.

2nd option:
If you trade JC, get a third, can you have C Black and another top tackle or guard with that pick along with Clausen/Bradford?

Yes.

I think the second option is the better option.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Springs hurt his clam again.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather see Tebow doing that 4-5 times a game than Colt getting a shot.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2010 2:47 PM

Colt is done in Washington. He's not going to be on a Shanahan team. If Shanahan doesn't like JC's mechanics, how do you think he feels about Colt's?

And Colt didn't get "a fair chance"? Hard to give a guy a chance when he's injured. He needs to go CFL.

Posted by: League-Source | January 10, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Uh-oh. Springs may have aggravated his calf on that play.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 10, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

COLT will be a stud on the UFL's newest team in Texas.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

"I have never been good at telling how skills will transition from college. But when was the last time the league had a clear top 5 pick QB available? I mean a QB always goes top 5 but how many times were they worth it and everyone knew it?"Posted by: alex35332 |

Matt Ryan. No disagreement about him as a top 5 pick. The only question was about his INTs, which were high as a senior because he worked without much supporting talent and took more than his fair share of risks. Falling a few spots actually helped in the end, because he got to play in Atlanta, a team with a good running attack and reasonable protection.

Eli Manning was a clear top five pick the year he came out. There was more debate about Phillip Rivers, who snuck in late.

QBs that come on late in the scouting process because of unexpected success in college -- Jamarcus Russell, Vince Young, Joe Flacco -- are a bigger gamble. Some work out, some don't.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 10, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44

There's a story in South Fla papers that Tebow has a top agent is about to spend some time refining his throwing motion.

No matter what weaknesses folks see in that guy, he leaves college as one of the best players of all time.

He's too competitive to let himself fail.

And some NFL GM and coach will find a role for him.

Trust me.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

I have a serious question about Tebow,

If he is available in the 4th round is he worth a look finally or no? I don't think he is a starting QB but could he be a wildcat stile QB or some X factor type of player?

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 2:50 PM |

Tebow will not get past Jacksonville he might be the only thing that can save them down there because he is loved in that city.

Trust me if Tebow is there when jacksonville picks in the first they will take him guaranteed.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 10, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Golden Boy: turnover number 4, INT number 3.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Landry is a beast.

The other one.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 10, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

2nd option:
If you trade JC, get a third, can you have C Black and another top tackle or guard with that pick along with Clausen/Bradford?

Yes.

I think the second option is the better option.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2010 2:52 PM

Except that C Black most likely won't play OLT in the pros since he has serious problems with speed rushers. He might not even ply ROT.

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

"I have a serious question about Tebow,If he is available in the 4th round is he worth a look finally or no? I don't think he is a starting QB but could he be a wildcat stile QB or some X factor type of player?Posted by: alex35332"

Fourth round? Some team would definitely take a shot.

Thing about Tebow is, he can play running back, wide receiver, or QB in very much the way Brad Smith does. Where Smith is better as a receiver, Tebow is a runner first and foremost.

Not for the Skins, though.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 10, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

TEBOW???? Really?

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 10, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I dunno about Tebow. Shanny did study that offense last off season.

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I dunno about Tebow. Shanny did study that offense last off season.

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

This is why I wonder:
Shanny studied 2 offenses that I know of New England Patriots and Florida Both have some similarities very pass heavy, spread variants. I would love to see the skins go toward that pro-spread system they run in NE, because with the right players its sick. I don't see Tebow being a guy who can run that, but maybe he could be a good option at FB/QB/WC

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

TEBOW???? Really?

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 10, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Nothing wrong with trying to figure out how to incorporate a very athletic winner into your offense at low cost.

LONGBALLS

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 10, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

No matter what weaknesses folks see in that guy, he leaves college as one of the best players of all time.

He's too competitive to let himself fail.

And some NFL GM and coach will find a role for him.

Trust me.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Moe, I think you been down there in Florida too long. It appears you've had that Tebow additive they put in the water down there.

There is no doubt that he's a winner -- in college. But I don't care how many games you've won, how much heart you have, or how many media hand jobs you get, the NFL is entirely different than college football.

Tebow likes to run a lot out of the option, which for the most part isn't used much in the NFL. The Wildcat isn't exactly a play as much as it a formation. To run the option, or be the primary in the wildcat you have to have speed. Tebow does not have NFL speed. The minute he tries that option crap in the league, he will get mauled by bigger, quicker, and stronger NFL defenders.

His throwing motion can be fixed -- I think. But to me that isn't as concerning as the type of player that he is and how will it transition to the "big boy" league.

I mean, I love how people always talk about heart when it comes to Tebow. Like no other dude not named 'Tim Tebow' in this history of college football had as much heart or more and failed at the NFL level.

It happens.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 10, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

if you think Tebow has a strong enough arm to be a NFL QB, he's worth a shot IMO.

who knows, maybe he could be the next Steve Young... Young had to sit for a few years behind Montana in SF, it will probably take some time for Tebow as well.

Posted by: joek443 | January 10, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

My 700,000,000,00 cents on Tebow (did i get the decimals right?):

Is he worth a flyer pick in the 4th or maybe even 3rd? Sure. Will he be there AND fill the greatest need for the Redskins at that spot in the draft(assuming the Redskins even somehow pick up a third)? Absolutely not.

Re Colt: Not saying he is the second coming, AM SAYING I will be very interested to see if the Shanny's see something in him they can work with and develop. Is he good enough to be a caretaker for a year or two if we let somebody take JC off our hands? Are the 2010 Redskins - JC17 + 2 draft picks + CB5 as starter better than Redskins + JC17 as starter? I think its certainly close enough to seriously consider. Thats what BA/MS&Son are paid to figure out though, LOL

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

"It appears you've had that Tebow additive they put in the water down there."


Actually, I'm doing--on purpose--what a cat accused me of yesterday: stirring up controversy just to keep this thing rollin'.

I don't want Tebow.

I want CJ Spiller!

But, alas, he won't be a redskin.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I can't take Tebow's holy than thou image. This dude needs to get arrested trying to solicit a tranny hooker or something. People like him are the ones you hear about being serial midget killers. His girlfriend is beyond hot though.

Posted by: AnthonyMix | January 10, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"I can't take Tebow's holy than thou image."

My oldest daughter is a pre med student at UF.

She's met Tim Tebow several times and had to be told who he was as she does not follow football.

She says he is what you see in the media: a highly moral, charismatic, driven person who gains the trust of the people around him immediately.

Tim Tebow is not Tiger Woods.

Do you that in a quarterback even if his throwing motion needs work?

Yes.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Four rushing TDs for the Ravens today

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Walter still has us taking Bradford at 4 with Okung on the board. They are playing the "new coach means new QB" card. I can't figure out if I HOPE they are wrong, or THINK they are wrong. Bradford just seems like an imbecilic waste of the pick to me for the reasons that have been batted around numerous times. Fragile, system product in a weak D league, needs a fortress that we don't have, OT at 4 is a probable ten year above avg starter, value of tradeback is greater than Bradford as well.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Skinsfan,

Walter had like 1 pick right in the entir first round last year, so I wouldn't worry to much about what a mock draft says.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 10, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Something to think about Tebow's good boy image:

"Once again, those who make a show or display of innocence are the least innocent of all.
You can recognize these supposed nonplayers by the way they flaunt their moral qualities, their piety, their exquisite sense of justice. But since all of us hunger for power, and almost all of our actions are aimed at gaining it, the nonplayers are merely throwing dust in our eyes, distracting us from their power plays with their air of moral superiority. If you observe them closely, you will see in fact that they are often the ones most skillful at indirect manipulation, even if some of them practice it unconsciously. And they greatly resent any publicizing of the tactics they use every day."

Posted by: RedDMV | January 10, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey Flounder, that makes sense. It seems they just throw up the easy fluff comments instead of really delving into the issues for a particular team. Another one has us going Clausen 4 and Carlos Dunlap in the second" he could pair with Orakpo for years". LOL, well, yeah, but any rational person would have to strongly consider the possibility the Redskins may just want to go Oline with one of their first two picks this year.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

LMAO this is just football... not psychiatry.

yes, Tebow seems to be a good guy... since when is being a good guy a character flaw?

there's something to be said for those who seem to resent him for being a good guy.

Posted by: joek443 | January 10, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

rick gosselin-dallas morning news has the best average for top 100 draft picks for last three years. He doesn't have any picks out yet (i don't think). (85.7)
2. draft ace (83.7)
3. the huddle report (83.3)
4. draft countdown (83.0)
5. the scouts notebook (82.3)
6. pro football weekly (81.7)
7. draft day dk (81.0)
8. the football expert (81.0)
9. nfl answers (80.0)
10. consensus draft (80.0)
Mel kiper @19, the sporting news draft guide @31

as put together by the huddle report

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 10, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Once again, those who make a show or display of innocence are the least innocent of all.
You can recognize these supposed nonplayers by the way they flaunt their moral qualities, their piety, their exquisite sense of justice. But since all of us hunger for power, and almost all of our actions are aimed at gaining it, the nonplayers are merely throwing dust in our eyes, distracting us from their power plays with their air of moral superiority. If you observe them closely, you will see in fact that they are often the ones most skillful at indirect manipulation, even if some of them practice it unconsciously. And they greatly resent any publicizing of the tactics they use every day."

Posted by: RedDMV | January 10, 2010 3:52 PM

WOW, you just described the current leadeship in our government to a "T".

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 10, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Wheres McShay?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

It's not resentment, he just reminds me of a perverted preacher. Good luck to him in all his endevors and hopefully he is successful. Just not with us and not with little kids.

Posted by: AnthonyMix | January 10, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Walter still has us taking Bradford at 4 with Okung on the board.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 3:37 PM

Mock drafts = power rankings
Mock drafts before free agency = American Idol auditions

Speaking of which, it won't be long now!

Posted by: League-Source | January 10, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

So where was the comeback by Golden Boy?

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

regarding the "trade value" of Campbell after he is tendered:

if a team SIGNS Campbell to a contract, then they owe the Redskins the value of compensation as predetermined by the league.
in this case, at least a 1,3 depending upon the tender offer.

if a team NEGOTIATES with both Campbell and the Redskins but does not sign him, then he is worth, what he is worth in terms of compensation and the teams will negotiate the deal.

if you think that is wrong, then think back to the scenario when the Skins couldnt re sign Sean Gilbert and the Panthers DID sign him. the league rules called for 2 first round picks in compensation for the signing. the Panthers offered less, and the Skins refused the deal and insisted upon the two first rounders. Carolina asked for a ruling and the league office forced them to give up the two picks to the Redskins. that is the clear precedent in this type of deal.

the question will be, simply, whether another team feels that Campbell is a franchise level QB, and is willing to pay a 1, 3 OR whether the Redskins are willing to settle for less to move the process quickly forward. What works in the Redskin's favor is that Campbell is clearly the best RFA QB out there. What works against them is 5 years worth of snaps on film, and the fact that LAST summer, apparently, Campbell wasnt worth what the Redskins felt they had to get for him to close the deal..

Has he gotten any better ? is the market for his services any better ? i think we are going to find out because i cannot see any way the Redskins offer anything more than a 1 year tender

Posted by: shally | January 10, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

LOL LS, don't disagree. i'd rather discuss fuball than Tebow with kids.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

from profootballweekly.com
The way we hear it, second-year DE Quentin Groves has likely played his last game with the Jaguars. Groves has not lived up to expectations since Jacksonville traded up six spots to draft him in 2008, recording only 2½ sacks in 32 games. If Groves is cut, first-round pick DE Derrick Harvey will be the only remaining pick from a terrible Jaguars draft class in '08.
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Now that's a bad draft class.

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Ho ho ho, bye Pats. Couldn't you get decent video footage this time?

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | January 10, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Things you may not know (or care) about Jim Haslett:

In a 2005 article in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Haslett admitted to using steroids while playing for the Buffalo Bills. Haslett went on record saying that "everybody tried it" to gain a competitive advantage against opposing teams[1].

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

"Once again, those who make a show or display of innocence are the least innocent of all.
You can recognize these supposed nonplayers by the way they flaunt their moral qualities, their piety, their exquisite sense of justice. But since all of us hunger for power, and almost all of our actions are aimed at gaining it, the nonplayers are merely throwing dust in our eyes, distracting us from their power plays with their air of moral superiority. If you observe them closely, you will see in fact that they are often the ones most skillful at indirect manipulation, even if some of them practice it unconsciously. And they greatly resent any publicizing of the tactics they use every day."

Posted by: RedDMV

Given the abundance of, "me-first" players on the roster, it wouldn't hurt to have a few more good guys on the team. It's amazing to me the fear some have as expressed by cynicism etc.
I have no idea if Tebow would be a good pro(neither do any of you btw).

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 10, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

always refreshing to see Belichick lose.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Sources: Warner likely to retire
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By Adam Schefter
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Arizona's next loss could mark the last time quarterback Kurt Warner plays in an NFL game.

He always could change his mind, but this likely will be the 38-year-old Warner's final NFL season, according to sources close to the quarterback.

Warner has been voted to five Pro Bowls, won two NFL MVP awards and one Super Bowl and became the second quarterback in history to throw more than 100 touchdown passes for two NFL franchises.

Earlier this season, Warner suffered a concussion that raised questions about his future.

Adam Schefter is ESPN's NFL Insider.

Does this put AZ in the mix as a possible JC17 suitor?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Belichick misses his spy in the stands..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Does this put AZ in the mix as a possible JC17 suitor?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe

I hope so. Good luck JC with your slow delivery, read, and inaccurate throws. other than that, you are great.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 10, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

take our QB,
Please, anyone, take our QB..
(apologies to henny youngman)

"Does this put AZ in the mix as a possible JC17 suitor?"
Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 4:27 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Assume JC17 is gone.

Who plays QB for us in 2010?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

the only suiter for JC17 would probably be the Raiders. The first 10 attributes Big Old Al looks for is a QB who can chuck it 70 yds. We know he can throw it 50 on a rope when the rcvr is 45 yds down field. He ought to fit right in out there.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 10, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I am willing to see who Shanny decides will carry that torch Kaneohe.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 10, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Assume JC17 is gone.. who plays QB..
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Kyle Orton? Best RFA QB on the market...
106. QB rating with 7 minutes left in the game.. Good sign of leadership.

Question though.. do you give up a 2011 First pick? Or is it the 2010 first pick?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

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Kyle Orton? Best RFA QB on the market...
106. QB rating with 7 minutes left in the game.. Good sign of leadership.

Question though.. do you give up a 2011 First pick? Or is it the 2010 first pick?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 4:41 PM

Are you kidding? He got ran out of Chicago. Now they want him out of Denver. So you suggest giving up a 1st round picks for him? The book on Orton is out there. Let's get a QB with more upside than this if we are moving forward, and using picks. Other than that, get either Rosenfels or Grossman to keep the seat warm, then spend a high draft pick on a QB.

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Use a 1st pick on Bradford with possible shoulder surgery in the near future.. Or give up a 1st pick on Kyle Orton, who is a proven starter in the NFL and considered the best QB FA of the list, by far over
JC.
I'd take the proven one, Orton.
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Kyle Orton? Best RFA QB on the market...
106. QB rating with 7 minutes left in the game.. Good sign of leadership.

Question though.. do you give up a 2011 First pick? Or is it the 2010 first pick?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 4:41 PM

Are you kidding? He got ran out of Chicago. Now they want him out of Denver. So you suggest giving up a 1st round picks for him? The book on Orton is out there. Let's get a QB with more upside than this if we are moving forward, and using picks. Other than that, get either Rosenfels or Grossman to keep the seat warm, then spend a high draft pick on a QB.

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2010 4:46 PM |

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Who plays QB for us in 2010?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 4:35 PM |

Some vet who's not on the team today.

Posted by: League-Source | January 10, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Oh my goodness, Arizona is starting to stomp on the Pack early. There hasn't been a single close and exciting game this weekend.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Fourteen, nuthin' Birds.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Shades of 2008, AZ putting a Whoopin on GB so far.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 10, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Oh my goodness, Arizona is starting to stomp on the Pack early. There hasn't been a single close and exciting game this weekend.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 4:55 PM

Close, no, but exciting? I think it's exciting to see New England, Green Bay, and Philadelphia getting pantsed on national TV. I just wish the Eagles had gotten theirs from anyone other than the team from Dallas.

Posted by: League-Source | January 10, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Can we trade our Landry for Baltimore's Landry...he was a monster today!!

Posted by: rot8tor_man | January 10, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Use a 1st pick on Bradford with possible shoulder surgery in the near future.. Or give up a 1st pick on Kyle Orton, who is a proven starter in the NFL and considered the best QB FA of the list, by far over
JC.
I'd take the proven one, Orton.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 4:52 PM

That's not wise. I don't think there would be anyone offering a 1st for Orton. The fact that he's the best RFA QB means it is a weak class for the QB position. You're over paying for him. What exactly has Orton proven? He's proven he is an average QB in the NFL. That isn't worth a 1st round pick.

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Assume JC17 is gone.. who plays QB..
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Kyle Orton? Best RFA QB on the market...
106. QB rating with 7 minutes left in the game.. Good sign of leadership.

Question though.. do you give up a 2011 First pick? Or is it the 2010 first pick?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse


I thought we shot this Orton crap in the face like it deserved. JC17 is a) better b) cheaper than Orton.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Is this a new regime change or just 1-2 players away from the playoffs? If Bradford the one who Shanny wants, go for it. I dont think that he will be entire draft without a couple of new OL peeps. Let them grow together. Tender JC, CP and see what u can get. find a spiritual (not used in church context) leader who can whoop azz and takes names who in practice will let everyone what REDSKINS FOOTBALL is. Even if that means behind the shed, tree, locker. Ive heard enough of "I let my play determine my leadership" to last me a long while. Anyone who doesnt bleed burgandy (so as not to get fined for wrong color of jersey) and gold, theres the door and dont let it hit u in the azz.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 10, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

HPYTRKR1 If they go w/ QB in the 1st, I'd give them the benefit of the doubt. They had better address the OLT position and either RG or RLT later in the draft, or in FA. The OL has to become more athletic and it to needs to grow over the years with Shanny.

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

If there are two teams that illustrate how unimportant the regular season is in relation to the playoffs, they are the Cardinals and Colts. If the Cards can keep this performance up for the rest of the game, I think they will carry it for the rest of the playoffs just like last year despite their "mediocre" record. The Colts have the most(?) wins this past decade, yet they can never get past the divisional game and have won only one Super Bowl.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Free Agent QB rankings from Football Futures...

2009 NFL Free Agents
By: Roshan Bhagat

Top Quarterbacks

Age as of 9/1/10. All free agents listed here are done so with an optimistic outlook that a new CBA will be agreed upon. Accordingly, only four accrued seasons are necessary to obtain an Unrestricted Free Agency status on this list.

Kyle Orton, Denver Broncos (27)
Losing Orton for the second half against the Redskins and having him forced off the bench against San Diego showed Orton’s real value to Denver, as the offense became anemic with Chris Simms. Without his efficient passing, the Broncos really struggle to put points on the board. It’s surprising the Broncos haven’t already looked to extend Orton who just does a great job leading the offense to long scoring drives. Maybe they’re hoping to get a little more leverage should the CBA fall through, which could allow the Broncos to keep Orton on a restricted tender. If he’s allowed to hit the open market, all hell could break loose. Orton doesn’t carry the aura of a franchise quarterback, but has now managed two different offenses to winning records.

Jason Campbell, Washington Redskins (28)
A big week of 367 yards and 3 touchdowns in the heartbreaker against the Saints a couple weeks back showed Campbell's potential. His numbers are actually improved across the board everywhere from a season ago, except interceptions where his total has doubled in three less games. Campbell has played better over the second half of the season, but it seems like he’s played his way out of Washington, who seems ready to gamble for an elite quarterback than stick with the so-so Campbell. With a number of talented quarterbacks possibly lining up to enter the 2010 NFL Draft, in a best case scenario, Campbell could possibly get a 1-2 year deal to compete as the starter on a quarterback-starved team.

(from http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html )

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

If Okung is there at 4 spot how can we blow it and take a QB? Is there anyone in the world who pays even a minute of attention to the NFL who doesn't know that our o-line is our biggest need?
WHy would we go for the third year in a row making dumb decisions like this?

Now if JC is gone that may change it a bit but I still think you have to take Okung.

If Okung is gone then I wonder if we can con Al Davis into moving into 4 spot for the 8 and some later round picks in a latter day Schroeder for Lachey type move.

Also NO NO NO Sexy Rexy should never be in a Skins uni.

Posted by: sfskin | January 10, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Orton is a middle of the pack starter level QB. Why trade for one when we have one.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Free Agent QB rankings from Football Futures...

2009 NFL Free Agents
By: Roshan Bhagat

Top Quarterbacks

Age as of 9/1/10. All free agents listed here are done so with an optimistic outlook that a new CBA will be agreed upon. Accordingly, only four accrued seasons are necessary to obtain an Unrestricted Free Agency status on this list.

Kyle Orton, Denver Broncos (27)
Jason Campbell, Washington Redskins (28)

...more an indictment of how bad the available QB's are rather than how good either of these two are IMO.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 10, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

HPYTRKR1 If they go w/ QB in the 1st, I'd give them the benefit of the doubt. They had better address the OLT position and either RG or RLT later in the draft, or in FA. The OL has to become more athletic and it to needs to grow over the years with Shanny.

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2010 5:10

That was my point. so many are worried whos gonna QB if JC not here. If Shanny and co works on OL, I would be ok with some competitive football next year. If he drafts a QB early (1st rd), that person, whomever it is would get 1 year to grow and let the game slow down for them, but for petes sake please get off this we need to get someone as a caretaker. to me that would be a waste of money and roster spot.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 10, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

SkinsfaninKaneohe,
Would you rather have a QB with a rating of 61 with less than 7 minutes left in a game (JC has NEVER brought the skins from behind in his career). Or, a QB with a comparable rating of 106 (less than 7mins) ?

If he fits Shanny's scheme, Orton is clearly worth a 1st. GMs last year pretty much told Snyder (while he was trying to craft a trade package for Sanchez) that JC wasnt worth a 2nd (according to NFL.com).

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I hate this talk of trading Cooley. We all learned this year the importance of depth. Having Cooley and Davis is blessing not a curse. Plus Davis doesn't have all the skills in place yet to be considered a full time starter. Besides that, I would love plays where both of them are on the field together. Can you imagine forcing both the SAM and WHEEL to play inside out? It will create one hell of a match up problem.

Posted by: clark202 | January 10, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

...more an indictment of how bad the available QB's are rather than how good either of these two are IMO.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan
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I agree completely...

Anyone on here who is still thinking about Bradford or McCoy is CRAAAAZZZZEEEE.....if they are this fragile in college, they are going to get BLOWN UP in the NFL and probably won't last so why waste picks on them when we have stronger needs elsewhere...

Posted by: rot8tor_man | January 10, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

If you want to compair Orton to Campbell, do it based of what Orton did in Chicago, their line is about as bad as the skins has been.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

SkinsneedaGM if you can't see that Orton is not a franchise QB(and therefore not worthy of a 1st round pick), then you are hopelessly lost in dream land. I'd rather have Pike in the second (one year to add weight & learn the offense)or John Skelton in the 4th round.

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Plus the QBs in next years darft are much better, so why not fill the gap if JC leaves with Collins and some other solid backup plus our Colt....this would train them in Shanny's system and they could possibly stay around as we bring on a rookie next year...

That allows us so much more flexibility to address the o-line by dealing JC, CP and others for picks...and possibly other skill players...

Then with a solid OL, we can make a serious run at something, but until that happens all this QB talk is senseless...

Posted by: rot8tor_man | January 10, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Orton is in that same tier of QB as Jason Campbell of QB's in the 11-21 range, both are starters in the league not stars or elite and both will end up probably having a full career equal to a Brad Johnson or a Garcia or a Culpepper.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

every NFL analyst write up I could find, had Orton as #1 in the QB Free agent market. JC floated between #2 and #4.
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SkinsneedaGM if you can't see that Orton is not a franchise QB(and therefore not worthy of a 1st round pick), then you are hopelessly lost in dream land. I'd rather have Pike in the second (one year to add weight & learn the offense)or John Skelton in the 4th round.

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2010 5:27 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Do people forget that Shanahan said he is not going to put in a "system", but build a offense around what the players can do.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

SkinsneedaGM so what!!

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Do people forget that Shanahan said he is not going to put in a "system", but build a offense around what the players can do.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 5:38 PM

What does that suggest to you?

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

every NFL analyst write up I could find, had Orton as #1 in the QB Free agent market. JC floated between #2 and #4.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Dude, I just was searching and yes thats true but almost every analysis also seems to recognize that NONE of these guys is a franchise QB

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

agreed alex35332, to an extent..
Orton's QB rating jumped by almost 20 points in Denver this year. I can see JC with the same weak OLine issue.. Except for the fact that Collins could come in, cold off the bench, with the same OLine and Receivers and he would light it up (like he did in 2007)...ala Giants game.. 2 completes for 4 attempts and would of been 3 for 4 but Davis dropped the ball delivered right to his hands, 2 yards from the end zone. That was the last play right before the coach killing "swinging gate" play which will go down in the skins "hall of inane".
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If you want to compair Orton to Campbell, do it based of what Orton did in Chicago, their line is about as bad as the skins has been.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 5:25 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Commitment to the run game? I'm all for it, but how's he going to get that done? I hope Shanahan pulls a rabbit out of his hat and makes a solid offensive line in just one offseason, but I'm a little skeptical. With needs elsewhere on top of the offensive line; he, Bruce Allen, and M. Brown are going to have the chore of their lives to reload this roster in one season... Vinny Cerrato was like a venereal disease: he gave a gift that just keeps on giving.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 10, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Never said either was franchise tag worthy.. My point was Orton was worth more than Campbell and QB upgrade is equally important as OLine upgrade.
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Dude, I just was searching and yes thats true but almost every analysis also seems to recognize that NONE of these guys is a franchise QB

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 5:43 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

What does that suggest to you?

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

That he is a competent coach who understands the basic principles of success are making the most of what you have. It suggests to me we wont hire fire people because they don't fit the scheme. He will look at the film and say what do the top guys here do best, what would complement that and get guys who will do that not try and fit square pegs into round holes.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

SkinsneedaGM you also suggested given up a 1st round (4th overall) this year for Orton, which is idiotic.

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

An upgrade from a 3,600 yard 20 TD QB to a 3800 21 TD QB, not worth our 1st round pick.

And how long have you been on this blog, how do you still not follow the basic Cut and Paste protocol. At least be consistent and pick a protocol to use.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I hate this talk of trading Cooley. We all learned this year the importance of depth. Having Cooley and Davis is blessing not a curse. Plus Davis doesn't have all the skills in place yet to be considered a full time starter. Besides that, I would love plays where both of them are on the field together. Can you imagine forcing both the SAM and WHEEL to play inside out? It will create one hell of a match up problem.

Posted by: clark202 | January 10, 2010 5:22 PM |

Every year we get a bunch of whackos on here trumpeting trading our best players for draft picks. It's ridiculous and stupid. Bird in the hand my friends. We have a known positive so let's trade him for a might be or 2. That's ignorant.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 10, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

alex35332 I agree. I think Shanny has a vision of where he wants the offense to go. However, given the likelihood that the skins won't(or shouldn't) be able to acquire a bunch of players, he'll adjust a play to the strengths of the players.

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Dude anyone watching fox see the new robot hand that guy got? kinda looks like the thing this guy has
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X85Lpuczy3E

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Every year we get a bunch of whackos on here trumpeting trading our best players for draft picks. It's ridiculous and stupid. Bird in the hand my friends. We have a known positive so let's trade him for a might be or 2. That's ignorant.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 10, 2010 5:55 PM

Sounds like a bunch who discovered fantasy football and think that the quantity of trades is what that is all about with no idea that quality trumps quantity every day of the week, month, year.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 10, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Several people here were talking about the wisdom of waiting for next year's 'superior' QB class. Hmmm... that's what you heard last year about this year's crop (and it wasn't justified then, either.)

Who to look for next year?

Jake Locker: great athlete, very mobile, decent accuracy, not a cannon. More Mark Sanchez than Matt Stafford.

Christian Ponder: smart player, good accuracy. Marginal arm strength. First day draft choice but probably not first round.

Ryan Mallett: big-time arm, good feet, not all that accurate.

Pat Devlin, Delaware: another great arm without much big-time experience.

Ryan Perilloux: former LSC star is still a super-talent at Jacksonville State, but if you think Michael Vick's a thug, wait til you meet Perilloux.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 10, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like a bunch who discovered fantasy football and think that the quantity of trades is what that is all about with no idea that quality trumps quantity every day of the week, month, year.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 10, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

I assumed it was a bunch of baseball guys who think young prospect means more then Vet.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

SkinsfaninKaneohe,
Would you rather have a QB with a rating of 61 with less than 7 minutes left in a game (JC has NEVER brought the skins from behind in his career). Or, a QB with a comparable rating of 106 (less than 7mins) ?

If he fits Shanny's scheme, Orton is clearly worth a 1st. GMs last year pretty much told Snyder (while he was trying to craft a trade package for Sanchez) that JC wasnt worth a 2nd (according to NFL.com).

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

We blew this up the other day as well...are you the one who originally started pimping this crap? Its a pick and choose stat.... last 7 mins only when behind? how many times did you have to parse the numbers to make it work?

and here is the kicker: how much of Orton's wonderful number came as a result of ONE PLAY. He threw a pick 6 that the DB went all CR22 on and Stokely caught the rebound behind the D and took it 87 yards to the house. The whole argument is Fing Stupid. In the grand scheme, they both suck and were are only talking about who sucks slightly less. If Orton does suck slightly less...and i don't think he does, JC has a bigger arm... but even if he does, how can you want to give up picks etc to get him? Its idiotic.

PS JC brought the Skins from behind against NO in 2008...threw a nice long ball to SM89....part of the 6-2 jizz fest.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

SkinsneedaGM you also suggested given up a 1st round (4th overall) this year for Orton, which is idiotic.

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2010 5:53 PM

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Orton is an RFA.. so compensation to Denver is depending upon the Offer..Certainly a First.. Not sure if it would be the 2010 First or the 2011 First.
TWISI you prefer to spend a 1st on a Bradford or McCoy who is unproven (but proven injury prone).
Read ALL the analysts..100 per cent across the board rate Orton above JC.
When Orton is behind 1-8 points, his rating, 87
Campbell, 76
When Orton is in the last 7 minutes of the game, QB rating is 106.8
Campbell 61

Yeah.. I think upgrading the QB position with a proven NFL QB of Orton's caliber using a 1st round pick versus an unknown QB out of college with the same first round pick. Makes more sense.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

SkinsneedaGM have a good night.

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Yeah.. I think upgrading the QB position with a proven NFL QB of Orton's caliber using a 1st round pick versus an unknown QB out of college with the same first round pick. Makes more sense.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse


Wow. There is nothing else to say, LOL.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

SkinsfaninKaneohe,
I spent 2 seconds "parsing". Its under NFL.Com Situational Stats for each QB.. Same area Collinsworth visited when he stated on the ESPN that JC has thrown nearly 80 percent of his passes for 10 yards or less.
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SkinsfaninKaneohe wrote;
last 7 mins only when behind? how many times did you have to parse the numbers to make it work?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Well, thank goodness you are not the GM the Redskins needed. Not trying to be rude, but you are deranged if you are actually advocating Orton over Campbell or a 1 rd pick. ANY 1 rd pick.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Yeah.. I think upgrading the QB position with a proven NFL QB of Orton's caliber using a 1st round pick versus an unknown QB out of college with the same first round pick. Makes more sense.


Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 6:40 PM

No offense but this is worse than saying we should draft Tebow with the 4th overall pick. I wouldn't trade you for Orton. The 4th pick in the draft?????

We are all now stupider after reading this and please admit that you're joking otherwise Cindy and crew may deem this to be inappropriate and ban you.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Turning out to be a pretty good game. Pack needs a stop...but there goes Beanie.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Kurt Warner is having a ridiculous game.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

I just agree with the analysts that he is a far better prospect than Campbell among available Free Agent QBs. And QB, along with the OLine, were the weakest link on the Skins. And its hard to give up a First for an unskilled position..when you can upgrade your QB position, considerably. Rather see a trade down to multiple OLinemen if no QB selected.
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Well, thank goodness you are not the GM the Redskins needed. Not trying to be rude, but you are deranged if you are actually advocating Orton over Campbell or a 1 rd pick. ANY 1 rd pick.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 6:52 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Kurt Warner is having a ridiculous game.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 6:57 PM

So are the refs.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Turning out to be a pretty good game. Pack needs a stop...but there goes Beanie.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Good back and forth stuff.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

First of all QB was not the weak link it was Oline and RB. Hell Campbell has the 2nd most rushing yards on that roster, thats not a god thing.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

First of all QB was not the weak link it was Oline and RB. Hell Campbell has the 2nd most rushing yards on that roster, thats not a god thing.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 7:02 PM |

True and in 2008 the top rcvr was CC. makes some stats overrated.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 10, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 6:59 PM

Dude...lay off that sweet stinky weed.

I'd rather draft Bradford, Clausen, Sneed, Tebow, Pike and his noodle of an arm, or lock JC up to a lifetime contract than to trade any pick for Orton.

Please stop, you're doing irreparable damage to your handle and will have to switch in order to restore your creditability.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Jeez, talk about a 2nd half turn-around for Aaron Rogers. He's got 3 TDs now. This is a gun-slinging game.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

best game of weekend. but does anyone see either of them beating Manning and co?

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 10, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

How about this for stats...GB had the #2 rated D in the regular season.

SkinsneedaGM put that in your pipe and smoke it instead.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

It's a fun game, but the football itself reeks of the AFC. Did these teams get psyched by rocking out to some Jackson Browne?

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 10, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 4:41 PM

WTF????? ORTON? For real? You need a new "handle" Skinsneedanewhandle, bc GM is not one...

ORTON 62% 3802 yds 21 TDs and 12 INT's
SOUPS 64.5% 3618 yds 20 TDs and 15 INT's

Why would we want to give up anything for that???? I hope you were kidding and I missed a post....

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 10, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

JC is not one of the weakest links on the team? You're kidding, right?
Recall all the overthrows and underthrows when the game was on the line...thus the 60 rating in the 4th Qtr. How many times did the average fan say when JC entered the Red zone.. Damn.. we're screwed.
According to Boswell, in terms of red zone TD efficiency, JC is ranked 211th out of 214 NFL QBs to ever play the game, with 900 or more attempts. Thats in the whole history of the NFL. I would call this a needed area of improvement.

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First of all QB was not the weak link it was Oline and RB. Hell Campbell has the 2nd most rushing yards on that roster, thats not a god thing.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 7:02 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Warner and Rogers are a combined 137.7 rating right now.

SICK.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Did Landry get picked up by the Cardinals?

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 10, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

OMG this game is tied at 38.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

What a great game of flag football.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Warner and Rogers are a combined 137.7 rating right now.

SICK.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 7:18 PM

Orton's better.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

ORTON 62% 3802 yds 21 TDs and 12 INT's
SOUPS 64.5% 3618 yds 20 TDs and 15 INT's

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 10, 2010 7:14 PM

In addition, Orton had better WRs, RBs, better Ol, better play calling, etc...

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Warner and Rogers are a combined 137.7 rating right now.

SICK.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 7:18 PM

Orton's better.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, and its not even the final 7 minutes yet.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

I am witnessing a level of skill with which I am unfamiliar.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 10, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

L-O-L, Kurt with his 5th TD pass.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

D44, hope you had the over, lol.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

ORTON 62% 3802 yds 21 TDs and 12 INT's
SOUPS 64.5% 3618 yds 20 TDs and 15 INT's

ORTON SACKED 29 TIMES For 159 Yards
SOUPS SACKED 43 TIMES For 285 Yards

ORTON RUSHES 24 Att 71 Yards 3.0 Avg
SOUPS RUSHES 46 Att 236 Yards 5.1 Avg

NEEDAGM, still think you'd give up a 1st Rd pick? If so, leave this blog b/c you can NOT have a sane conversation.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 10, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

How was it that Jeremy Bridges couldn't make the Skins??

Posted by: chrislarry | January 10, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm hoping these Dcoordinators are both locked up... I'm not a fan of the "stand around and pretend you are trying to stop the other team from scoring" scheme they are playing.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

D44, hope you had the over, lol.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 7:31 PM

Funny...I did and it was only 48.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

sorry had a brain fart...how does anyone see either of these teams going against NO next week.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 10, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Great slide by Aaron. I wonder if JC saw that.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Arguments are getting mixed. It's unquestionably idiotic to suggest trading a 1st rd pick for Orton. However, it can legitmately be argued that Orton is better than Campbell and vice versa.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 10, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

If GB scores with more than a minute, they need to go for two.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Orton makes that throw

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Orton is basically a lateral move and NOT the long term answer if JC is not the long term answer. So why waste time going through the histrionics of getting him? I wouldn't even want Orton heads up swap for JC.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

L-O-L, Aaron with his 4th TD pass!

Tie game!

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Too much time left... they should have run a JZ stretch play to burn 40 seconds.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

too much time left Cards win this one.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 10, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Come on 100 point Game!

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

GB scored with too much time. GB should go for the onside kick.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Orton would have returned that for a touchdown.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 10, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

GB scored with too much time. GB should go for the onside kick.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Only if they have Orton kick it

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Here's the combined line:

142.1 rating

720 yards passing

51 completions

68 attempts

9 TDs

1 INT

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

The Gorton's Fisherman should be replaced by the Orton's Fisherman.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 10, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

ORTON 62% 3802 yds 21 TDs and 12 INT's
SOUPS 64.5% 3618 yds 20 TDs and 15 INT's
posted by CLEGG..
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Great..we're 4-12 but Jason has great stats. With 12 losses....many times a game was so out reach the opposing team was in Prevent D.. They gave Jason anything he wanted outside of the red zones.. Thus a huge portion of Jason's stats are padded from those situations. Everyone knows this who watched this season. And again why he had 80 percent of passes under 10 yards.

And the few times a game was competitive and on the line, Jason forgot his mechanics and dissolved into overthrows and underthrows.. The last 4 passes of the San Diego game are a good example.. He choked completely.. He only had to go to the 40 for a tying FG..And all the passes were way off the mark. The last one being a Hail Mary 20 yards on the fly out of bounds. No interception, though, to mess up his stats. And he had decent stats after that game.

Regardless of Orton's standing as the best available QB free agent, do we really want to see Jason Campbell again, for the next 3 years (if resigned) after what we have seen the last 4?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Here's the combined line:

142.1 rating

720 yards passing

51 completions

68 attempts

9 TDs

1 INT

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Let me know when there are 1000 yards offense in the game

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

I was hoping for OT. Where's Suisham when you need him.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 10, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Aaaaand we have a game-winning drive orchestrated by Old Man Warner. Brilliant.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Doucette = LaRon

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

WIDE!!!

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Suishamed!!!!

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

You get your wish.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 10, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

RACKERS MISSED WIDE LEFT!!!

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

D'oh!

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 10, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

Please, just stop......We had the worst OLine in the league and with the exception of Dallas and NYG game, we were in every game. We lost the most games by less than 6 pts in the league.

You are the laughinstock of the blog. We had NO LINE, NO RB's... unless you count our 3rd, 4th and 5th string RB's... Give it up.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 10, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

LMAO this is great... needless to say that neither of these teams will win the SB this year with these defenses.

Posted by: joek443 | January 10, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Here's the combined line:

142.1 rating

720 yards passing

51 completions

68 attempts

9 TDs

1 INT

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 7:47 PM

That's a typical game for Orton. Orton also pulls more wool than tiger, brady, & jeter.

PFT is reporting that we are going to trade our entire draft and Zorn's yoga mat for Orton.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Why the hell can't anybody kick anymore?

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 10, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Coin wins game

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Can you say choke!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 10, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

D'oh!

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 10, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Rackers plays homage to Homer on his anniversary.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Is playoff overtime sudden death?

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert Arenas must have taken a dump in his shoe.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 10, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

You know my girlfriend once told me she had cheeted on me, but after I found out it was with Orton I was like... well hot d###, and forgave her. I mean what else you gonna do after that.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Yes, sudden death.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

FAKE,

So funny, every time I see a QB slide, I think of how easy it is and how unbelievably silly it is that Soups can't slide.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 10, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Orton, wou....

nevermind.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Jones stood their dancing like ARE and cost himself 4 yards.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

You know my girlfriend once told me she had cheeted on me, but after I found out it was with Orton I was like... well hot d###, and forgave her. I mean what else you gonna do after that.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 7:56 PM

I went looking for my girl after a game and finally found her in Orton's VIP section. I told the bouncer that my girlfriend was in there and he said...Lots of people's girlfriends are in there.

Who could blame her. I felt like I was the one that scored that night.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

WOW

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Figures the game would be decided by a kicker.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 10, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Totally missed the hands to the face and face mask tackle on Rogers.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Oh the irony.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 10, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Just got to say about that one wow.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Totally missed the hands to the face and face mask tackle on Rogers.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 8:03 PM |

Yes and the ref was staring at it the whole time.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 10, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Fox couldn't get to commercial fast enough.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 10, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Remember that one time when a astroid was heading toward earth and George W Bush assembled that crack team of heros to save the planet and told Orton he was the only man on earth who could save us.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Okay I am out for the night. Gonna really watch that Simpsons special, you know it was the seccond greatest thing on TV since Orton

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

DAMNIT! I MISSED THE END!

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 10, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

God and Darwin came out of the back room and Darwin said, " You know, that Green Bay defense really sucks...Let's do you a favor.."

Posted by: frak | January 10, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

And on the 8th day God created Orton.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

And on the 9th he created Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: TDawg1 | January 10, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

And on the 9th he created Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: TDawg1 | January 10, 2010 8:21 PM

And on the 10th he revisited Orton's awesomeness and gave him perfect facial hair.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Damn. Tha Cockboys are so lucky they had a franchise undrafted QB jus sitting on their squad! I hope the Vikings whoop em next week!

Where did Tony Romo come from anyway and what took him so long to start.

All a good QB needs to be successful is an opportunity.

Posted by: Vicc | January 10, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Okay I am out for the night. Gonna really watch that Simpsons special, you know it was the seccond greatest thing on TV since Orton

Posted by: alex35332 | January 10, 2010 8:08 PM

Don't forget Leigh Torrence

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 10, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

QB ratings with 7 minutes left in the 4th QTr...

Peyton Manning 132
Brett Favre 118
Kyle Orton 106.8
Drew Brees 106.6
Ben Roethlisberger 98.2
Eli Manning 94.8
Donovan McNabb 76.1
Jason Campbell 61.0


Ok..no more JC bashing.. And I know I have beaten this like a rented mule.... but those last 7 minutes QB rating situational stats (NFL.COM) are intrigueing.. Many analysts think Denver should of signed him to an extension. I think if Orton is not tendered and Skins can get away with only a 2nd compensation... (slim chance) Its worth it. Ok..maybe not a First...but.. he could be a sleeper..

http://www.nfl.com/players/kyleorton/situationalstats?id=ORT716150
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Diesel wrote:

Dude...lay off that sweet stinky weed.

I'd rather draft Bradford, Clausen, Sneed, Tebow, Pike and his noodle of an arm, or lock JC up to a lifetime contract than to trade any pick for Orton.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 7:07 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Whoops, someone beat me to the Torrence reference

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 10, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

That's one small backward step away from the bong. Take ten more giant ones, then turn and run.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

SkinsneedaGM,

I doubt any1 will give up a 2nd 4 Orton.

Oh, I dunno if ya heard yet, but the SkinshiredaGM,

Posted by: Vicc | January 10, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Would any1 mind preparing and posting their list of top ten QBs in the league?

I'd like to make a point of it and if I use my list, it'd be biased!

Posted by: Vicc | January 10, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Whoops, someone beat me to the Torrence reference

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 10, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Haha, it's cool, scampbell-- I'm an old standby from the Jasno days and thought I'd risk admonishment on RI for the Torrence reference since its been so down-trodden, but I'm glad that I'm not the only one who thinks of the whole reason behind the Saints' stellar season.

Posted by: TDawg1 | January 10, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't include JC or Orton

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Whoops, someone beat me to the Torrence reference

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 10, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Haha, it's cool, scampbell-- I'm an old standby from the Jasno days and thought I'd risk admonishment on RI for the Torrence reference since its been so down-trodden, but I'm glad that I'm not the only one who thinks of the whole reason behind the Saints' stellar season.

Posted by: TDawg1 | January 10, 2010 8:36 PM |

We could go even further back and hit the Ryan Clark or even worse, Antonio Pierce.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 10, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Vicc-

1. Kyle Orton
2. Petyon Manning
3. Drew Brees
4. Phillip Rivers
5. Aaron Rodgers
6. Tom Brady
7. Brett Farvra
8. Ben Roethlisberger
9. Matt Schaub
10. Tony Romo


Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

SkinsneedaGM,

I doubt any1 will give up a 2nd 4 Orton.

Oh, I dunno if ya heard yet, but the SkinshiredaGM,

Posted by: Vicc | January 10, 2010 8:32 PM
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yeah..Snyder F'd up my blog handle.

Thankfully.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

NeedaGM,

Don't forget the first game of the year that Denver won on that fluke deflection that Stokely took 80 yds to the house to win the game.....

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 10, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

SkinsneedaGM,

I doubt any1 will give up a 2nd 4 Orton.

Oh, I dunno if ya heard yet, but the SkinshiredaGM,

Posted by: Vicc | January 10, 2010 8:32 PM
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yeah..Snyder F'd up my blog handle.

Thankfully.


The guy with the "4-12" handle should get a frggn award from RI.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Well done Diesel,

I woulda thrown K. Warner in there over Schaub.

I'll wait momentarily for other lists to appear. Oh where does Leigh Torrance rank in your top ten CB list? lol

Posted by: Vicc | January 10, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse


The guy with the "4-12" handle should get a frggn award from RI.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

TRUE.

I think that is really periculum posting as that handle. He successfully predicted our record as well:

I predicted 4-12 to a voluminous cacophony of grief ... This was back before preseason. Guess what?

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vicc | January 10, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

I think that is really periculum posting as that handle. He successfully predicted our record as well:

I predicted 4-12 to a voluminous cacophony of grief ... This was back before preseason. Guess what?

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Vicc | January 10, 2010 9:01 PM

I call BS. He made 3 or 4 predictions and I posted them all in the wiki. He's a liar.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 10, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

I woulda thrown K. Warner in there over Schaub.

I'll wait momentarily for other lists to appear. Oh where does Leigh Torrance rank in your top ten CB list? lol

Posted by: Vicc | January 10, 2010 8:58 PM

Good point. I agree but think the rest of my list is untouchable especially the bearded leather cheerio.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Deal CLEGGY..
I'll throw that out of Orton's 106 if you throw out Jason's Prevent D mop up stats from the blowouts (Skins losses by more than 2 scores).
=======================
NeedaGM,

Don't forget the first game of the year that Denver won on that fluke deflection that Stokely took 80 yds to the house to win the game.....

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | January 10, 2010 8:55 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

The guy with the "4-12" handle should get a frggn award from RI.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

I predicted 4-12 to a voluminous cacophony of grief ... This was back before preseason. Guess what?

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2009 10:34 PM

Both of these guys should be kicked off the blog. 4-12 for jinking the Redskins and Periculump for being a tedious bore.


Posted by: League-Source | January 10, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

see 5 wins 11 losses.
Here's all perineum's predictions from preseason and not one of them is 4-12. That freak is a straight tard and that's why I posted these. Others made their predictions there as well:

Posted by: periculum | April 14, 2009 8:42 PM

see 5 wins 11 losses.

Best case scenario: 6W-10L.

7-9, 6-10. Unless the too many things that need to go right happen, in other words: a miracle happens.
Posted by: periculum | May 21, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 10, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

(Warner added)

QB ratings with 7 minutes left in the 4th QTr...

Peyton Manning 132
Brett Favre 118
Kyle Orton 106.8
Drew Brees 106.6
Ben Roethlisberger 98.2
Eli Manning 94.8
Kurt Warner 88.1
Donovan McNabb 76.1
Jason Campbell 61.0

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, he did change it several months later to 4-12:

Thread started: Oct 13 2009, 10:38 PM EDT Watch
His claims so far this year:

My prediction was 4-12. Because well before the season all the signs pointed to Thomas and Samuels not making it through 16 games. And then what? Man, how is it that you couldn't see that?

Posted by: periculum | October 13, 2009 10:16 PM |

This is his 4th prediction, heck he had to get one right.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 10, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

I can't blame periculum though. He said if JC17 goes to a team w/good OL, good coach, good scheme, he will be successful. However, doesn't that apply to any QB in the NFL?

Yeah he typically predicts the obvious.

Posted by: Vicc | January 10, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Vicc, are you paying attention? He made 4 predictions and didn't make the right one until after the season started. Believeing perineum is like believing Bush or Obama.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 10, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Vicc, are you paying attention? He made 4 predictions and didn't make the right one until after the season started. Believeing perineum is like believing Bush or Obama.

Posted by: scampbell1975


Gotcha scamp.

Nice political reference. You must know how I feel about voting for political office.

Posted by: Vicc | January 10, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

how 'bout them Terps?!!

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 10, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Vicc, are you paying attention? He made 4 predictions and didn't make the right one until after the season started. Believeing perineum is like believing Bush or Obama.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 10, 2010 9:16 PM

Who's reading his centered text nonsense? Better question Scamp, why are you saving it for later use?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Well diesel44,

1. Kyle Orton
2. Petyon Manning
3. Drew Brees
4. Phillip Rivers
5. Aaron Rodgers
6. Tom Brady
7. Brett Farvra
8. Ben Roethlisberger
9. Matt Schaub
10. Tony Romo

Outta the last 10 years, 6 of 10 Superbowl winning QBS was on you list, and I assure you some1 on that list will win this years Superbowl. Throw in Warner and that makes 7 of 10.

We all know that you can win games in this league with Jason Campbell. History suggests that you need a freakin good QB to win the Superbowl though.

Posted by: Vicc | January 10, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

I wish I could find that post by Truth11 about players who are 'Coach Killers'

It was brilliant. It's sumthin like a player who occasionally shows potential to convince the coach he can win, but for some reason that potential is never achieved and the coach suffers for continuously sticking with him.

Posted by: Vicc | January 10, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

I wish I could find that post by Truth11 about players who are 'Coach Killers'

It was brilliant. It's sumthin like a player who occasionally shows potential to convince the coach he can win, but for some reason that potential is never achieved and the coach suffers for continuously sticking with him.

Posted by: Vicc | January 10, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Like ARE returning punts.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Kurt Warner's throws today were mad sick, but after about 20 Jerry Rice over the middle routes, you would think Green Bay would getta clue..The Good Lord mercifully removed them from the playoffs...Why the hell do they always have a full week of college football bowl games and then NFL playoffs right after the First?? Its a systematic plan to destroy clean-livin' New Year's resolutions, fer real..And why would some idiot name their company "Dogpile"?? Why not "'Roid Pile " or "Jewpile"??? "Well, Herr Commandante, looks like the 'Jewpile' stocks are way up!!"..fockin' a..

Posted by: frak | January 10, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

*chuckle* @ frak.

Yeah I've noticed that I'm in better shape during the NBA and MLB season.s

Posted by: Vicc | January 10, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather watch soccer than any of them two sports up'er.

World Cup '10 !

Posted by: Vicc | January 10, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

TheCork, Stay Away from ^^^ one.

Posted by: Vicc | January 10, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

man, this thread had some serious hamster-nip in it or something, cause I'm 350th!

We're starving!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 10, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Comcast Washington is reporting that Jim Zorn is a candidate to be the offensive coordinator and QB coach in Chicago. Jim "effin" Zorn?

Bahhahhhahhha

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Comcast Washington is reporting that Jim Zorn is a candidate to be the offensive coordinator and QB coach in Chicago. Jim "effin" Zorn?

Bahhahhhahhha

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Ah, so it was Zorn who had a hard on for Cutler after all? (jk) Do we play CHI next year?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 10, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

RomoLongballs why yes we do.

Posted by: TWISI | January 10, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

If you are still posting on this topic, you must be a crack head.

Posted by: abxinc | January 10, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

TWISI, must be another Looney Rule interview, I'm sure he's thankful for all the wonderful people he'll meet. The Chicago Tribune lists six candidates, including Bill Musgrave, Jim Fassel, Tom Clements, and this guy:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-100105-bears-offensive-photos,0,3645093.photogallery

No, the guy on the left.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 10, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

abxinc has crack, skinsneedaGM has sticky icky, who am I to judge?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 10, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather watch soccer than any of them two sports up'er.

World Cup '10 !

Posted by: Vicc | January 10, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

1. Spain
2. Italy
3. Brazil
4. Holland
5. Germany
6. England
7. Ivory Coast
8. France
9. Nigeria
10. USA

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 10, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-100105-bears-offensive-photos,0,3645093.photogallery

No, the guy on the left.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 10, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

that didn't work out as planned, it's picture #6.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 10, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

This is the only thing I found that could compete with Kyle Orton. Then he told me that he played lead guitar. Kyle Orton....FTW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShXeZJlIS4U&feature=player_embedded

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 10, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

I like your list SMACK1

It's very generous of you to place us ahead of Argentina. Do you know sumthin I don't?

Posted by: Vicc | January 10, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

I like your list SMACK1

It's very generous of you to place us ahead of Argentina. Do you know sumthin I don't?

Posted by: Vicc | January 10, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Wow. That was my first RI double-post. And i thought it could never happen to me.

Posted by: Vicc | January 10, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Landon Donovan can beat Argentina by himself.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 10, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad he's on our side.

Argentina should make it outta their group though and if I'm correct about the 'round of sixteen' they'll face an easy opponent from Group A.

Posted by: Vicc | January 10, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

I just hope we don't get that azz clown cheatin' ref from uraguay or some damn banana republic down thata way.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

he basically stole the italy game from us last wc

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 10, 2010 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Well from what I know about Africa, corruption simply will not be tolerated in any way shape or form, except for a check or money order or pre-paid phone card.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 10, 2010 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Why are people still talking about Jason Campbell? He's been with us for 5 years and been the starter for 4. The one time we get to the playoffs while he's here is a direct result of him getting hurt. Things like this amaze me about this country and DC in particular, we have a soft spot for slow losers ie 8 years of Bush.

Posted by: AnthonyMix | January 10, 2010 11:14 AM
Because so many people like you love to blame the man even when there are myriad other problems that make it near impossible for the QB to succede, like offensive lines that can't block and WR's who can't get open. Even knowledgeable football people who think the Skins should look for a young QB to develop say the biggest priority by far is fixing the O line. It is a no brainer. Give JC a good O line and if the Davis, Thomas, and Kelley keep developing, you will see a good offense.

Posted by: kenboy1 | January 11, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Skinsneeda..
where are these stats from.. ??? If you're going to drop this sdfsdf... quote your source..
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(Warner added)

QB ratings with 7 minutes left in the 4th QTr...

Peyton Manning 132
Brett Favre 118
Kyle Orton 106.8
Drew Brees 106.6
Ben Roethlisberger 98.2
Eli Manning 94.8
Kurt Warner 88.1
Donovan McNabb 76.1
Jason Campbell 61.0

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 9:09 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 11, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

nice smack

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 11, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Heard some rumors that Buffalo maybe very interested in Bradford. Would swap #1's with us and add a #2.

We would the target Davis or Campbell at OT on the 9 slot. This may happen, esp. if DET takes Okung.

That would give us 3 picks in the first 41 players taken.

Interesting

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 11, 2010 2:51 AM | Report abuse

Heard some rumors that Buffalo maybe very interested in Bradford. Would swap #1's with us and add a #2.

We would the target Davis or Campbell at OT on the 9 slot. This may happen, esp. if DET takes Okung.

That would give us 3 picks in the first 41 players taken.

Interesting

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 11, 2010 2:51 AM | Report abuse


That would be sweet... mind sharing where you heard these rumors?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 11, 2010 3:04 AM | Report abuse

Any1 remember Anthony Alridge?

He was a Mike Shanahan picked guy during his final season coaching the Broncos.

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 6:16 AM | Report abuse

Any1 remember Anthony Alridge?

He was a Mike Shanahan picked guy during his final season coaching the Broncos.

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 6:16 AM |

He's already been resigned and is on the Skins roster.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 6:22 AM | Report abuse

Is this thing working?

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 7:39 AM | Report abuse

Cardinals over the Saints, Vikings over the Cowboys, Ravens over the Colts, and Chargers over the Jets.

Who's with me?

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 7:52 AM | Report abuse

There's no D in 'zona... (except on the last play... lol)

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 11, 2010 8:03 AM | Report abuse

And you know what they say about the last play...

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

J-E-T-S!!

Sweet my weekend wish came true, now we just have to grab Zimmer.

Posted by: REXskins | January 11, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Cardinals over the Saints, Vikings over the Cowboys, Ravens over the Colts, and Chargers over the Jets.

Who's with me?

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 7:52 AM

I with you - Vikings over the Cowboys, and Chargers over the Jets.

You're on your own with the other two picks.

Posted by: TWISI | January 11, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

YEss.... the last play.. hahahahchhchhc

..wait.. um. no. What do they say about the last play>!??

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 11, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Lets go JR whats going on with the coaches meetings, get your a$$ over to the park if they will let you in and get some news.

Or are we going to get a bunch of post today about what Shanny may do?

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

You think Rogers would like to have that last throw in overtime back where he missed Jennings?

Too bad... I really think the Pack could have made some real noise...

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 11, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

I with you - Vikings over the Cowboys, and Chargers over the Jets.

You're on your own with the other two picks.

Posted by: TWISI

I expect much of the same in the ARI/NO game, with someone having to make a defensive stand that will win the game. And in that case my money is on the Cardinals.

I have the Ravens winning because I don't see the Colts stopping Ray Rice and Willis McGahee. The Colts are known for their inability to stop the run, so I'm looking for a heavy dose of both of those dudes, and as always the Ravens have that "championship" defense.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

...you're only as good as the last play.

Think the Redskins last play of the season: A hail mary pass -- thrown out of bounds.

Sucktitude.


Aaron Rodgers missed two deep passes where if he would've hit the receiver it would've been six.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 8:36 AM

I am thinking on the same line with you on the AZ/NO game. I'm going with the Saints because I think the Saints offenses (i.e. Brees) is going to be on fire, and GG has had really good game plans to slow Warner down.

Ravens/Colts: I can't seem to cheer the Ravens on. Maybe it's Ray Lewis or Jasno that's turned me off that team, but I always end up against them.

Posted by: TWISI | January 11, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Look, I cannot see Washington trading for Orton, or any other QB for that matter. I am not a JC fan, but it makes sense to tender him at the minimum. I doubt any team would give up a draft pick to sign him, so the team gets an interim QB, which is perfect because they need to focus this year on rebuilding the offensive line. Draft for starters, sign young veteran free agents for depth, and then fill in the gaps with undrafted free agents: that's how I would rebuild the roster. It will be slow going, but it makes more sense than signing 29 and 30 year old free agents who are past their prime.

I would also make a pitch for re-signing Carlos Rogers. He's not a fantastic corner but he's better than a lot of them in the league and the team will not be drafting a high round corner this year. He and Landry need a coach that won't accept mediocrity (sorry, Jerry Gray, but it ain't you) and they will both play like first round picks. I am a Greg Blache fan; however, I believe Blache just started mailing it in at the end of the season. Haynesworth called him on it, and he didn't have the will to put Haynesworth in his place.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

What really sucks is I don't like ANY of the NFC teams left. I could have cheered on the Pack...now I'm not sure who...

I like all of the AFC teams, conversely...

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 11, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

red, I think the colts roll over Baltimore, Flacco is just either too beat up, or something, but that dog wont hunt....no one happier that I that the pats lost yesterday...suck it pats fans...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 11, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

What really sucks is I don't like ANY of the NFC teams left. I could have cheered on the Pack...now I'm not sure who...

I like all of the AFC teams, conversely...

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 11, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

I'm rooting for the Cards. I just want someone to win that has never won it before. I'll also root for Phil Rivers and the Chah-gahs.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 11, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

No arguments there, RedD! I was a little preplexed as to why Rogers thought he needed to keep going deep. Their running game was solid and could have moved them well, I think.

Pretty crazy game w/ no D.. again, until the end.

I'm actually rooting for the NFC East (not for the Cowpatties in particular).

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 11, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Saturday I was the biggest Eagles fan..that didn't work out, now next weekend I am going to be the biggest Vikings fan. F Dallas. I still hope its a Colts/Saints superbowl...but who knows maybe its an all purple bowl with the Ravens and Vikes?

Posted by: FedorEm | January 11, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

I'm rooting for the Colts (I live in Indy now, and my wife is a colts fan). I think they're vulnerable if the defense doesn't step up like it did in their super bowl year.

That year I think they were dead last at defending the run, to the point where it was comical to watch them try. But in the playoffs, all of a sudden the linebackers looked like they were moving at double speed, and everyone was way more intense. Once the playoffs started, the Colts crushed the run, and nobody saw it coming.

So I think the defense making that change again is the key factor in this game.

Posted by: REXskins | January 11, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Aaron Rodgers missed two deep passes where if he would've hit the receiver it would've been six.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse


Rodgers deserved what he got in OT.

He held the ball for waaaayyy too long on a couple of those attempts.

Adams was showing corner blitz, a QB has to make that adjustment and find the hot read.

Posted by: p1funk | January 11, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

red, I think the colts roll over Baltimore, Flacco is just either too beat up, or something, but that dog wont hunt....no one happier that I that the pats lost yesterday...suck it pats fans...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 11, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse


Not only did the Pats lose, but they lost b/c Brady played like crap, which makes it doubly nice.

It's like I keep telling Pats fans these days - BB is discovering how tough it is to win those big games when he's not allowed to cheat.

Posted by: p1funk | January 11, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

can we get a mike zimmer update

Posted by: Felz2o2 | January 11, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

TWISI, I know this may sounds crazy, but I think the Cardinals have a better offense than the Saints. I think they're more complete. Is Bolden coming back? If he is they now have FOUR legit WRs they can throw the ball to, and they have those three RBs they let tote the rock.

bean, while Flacco has looked beat up, I still think the dude Ray Rice is the realest. Him, McGahee, and McClain should be able to wear that small Colts D out.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

can we get a mike zimmer update

Posted by: Felz2o2
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Seconded.

Posted by: REXskins | January 11, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

bean, while Flacco has looked beat up, I still think the dude Ray Rice is the realest. Him, McGahee, and McClain should be able to wear that small Colts D out.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse


The Ravens cannot fall behind.

I think the question is not so much whether Bmore can run it against the Colts, I think the question is whether the Ravens D can keep the Colts from jumping out to a big lead.

Posted by: p1funk | January 11, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

How can you be a fan of Greg Blache and don't like Jerry Gray?

p1, A few times I was saying to myself "you gotta make a decision" when Rodgers dropped back to pass. He does hold the ball too long -- and I don't know how you don't see that CB. There wasn't a receiver in front of him to pretend to cover.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

can we get a mike zimmer update

Posted by: Felz2o2
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Seconded.
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third

Posted by: alex35332 | January 11, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

red, if I'm the colts, I try and make this a shootout, take the running game and put it on the shelf....

I'm rooting for the cardinals....warner was sick yesterday...29/33 are you kidding me???

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 11, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

The Ravens cannot fall behind.

I think the question is not so much whether Bmore can run it against the Colts, I think the question is whether the Ravens D can keep the Colts from jumping out to a big lead.

Posted by: p1funk

trailing = pass mode, and the Ravens aren't built to pass the ball.

I know the regular season and the playoffs are entirely different, but Peyton was picked twice, and the Ravens kicked FIVE field goals losing the game 17-15.

Maybe if they convert two of those FGs into TDs they may have won the game.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

As far as the playoffs go, all I'm hoping for is Brett Favre lighting up F Dallas this weekend. Seeing the Cowgirls in the NFC Championship or SB would ruin 2010 for me, and it wouldn't even be baseball season yet...

Posted by: mattylight | January 11, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

p1, A few times I was saying to myself "you gotta make a decision" when Rodgers dropped back to pass. He does hold the ball too long -- and I don't know how you don't see that CB. There wasn't a receiver in front of him to pretend to cover.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse


CB also didn't come from the blindside...not sure how you miss him.

Oh well. It was entertaining at least, unlike all of the other crappy uncompetitive playoff games.

I was flipping between Cards-Pack and Terps-Noles.

Fear it.

Posted by: p1funk | January 11, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I'm rooting for the cardinals....warner was sick yesterday...29/33 are you kidding me???

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 11, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse


Warner's career stats in the playoffs/Superbowl are out of this world.

If you look strictly at postseason production, he's pretty much the best QB ever...

Posted by: p1funk | January 11, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Rodgers and Warner were disgusting, but that might have been the worst defense I've ever seen.

No one was within 5 yards of a WR on ANY of those routes.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 11, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Yeah Warner had the "flu" yesterday... like any QB, you gotta pressure Warner, especially when they aren't mobile even a little bit.

As of right now, Warner is still completing passes in the middle of the field on that packer defense...

Posted by: RedDMV | January 11, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

wow I went 0 for 4 in the Post pro picks this week

Posted by: alex35332 | January 11, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

As far as the playoffs go, all I'm hoping for is Brett Favre lighting up F Dallas this weekend. Seeing the Cowgirls in the NFC Championship or SB would ruin 2010 for me, and it wouldn't even be baseball season yet...

Posted by: mattylight | January 11, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse


I've been extremely critical and annoyed by Favre over the last 2 years and have often rooted for his failure.

However, I too am hoping that he tears apart the Cowboys.

The only thing more annoying than Favre-worship in the NFL is Cowgirls-worship.

Posted by: p1funk | January 11, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

does anyone else want to see us go to a 3-4 D it jus seems like players can make more plays in a 3-4 lol plus it jus looks awesome

Posted by: Felz2o2 | January 11, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Rodgers and Warner were disgusting, but that might have been the worst defense I've ever seen.

No one was within 5 yards of a WR on ANY of those routes.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 11, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse


They were calling out the Pack D big-time during the game.

Anytime the Cards went to a trips or stacked WR formation, someone was running scot-free in the middle of the field.

Posted by: p1funk | January 11, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

yeh - in tha AFC I'll root for mah 'Canes. go Birds.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 11, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

And Rice was awesmoe.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 11, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Seems to me that the best defenses in the league are 3-4. Maybe theres something to that.

Posted by: FedorEm | January 11, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

So, if Aaron Rogers can pick apart the Cardinals' defense, what do you think Drew Brees will do?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Top 3 Defenses Jets, Cowboys, Ravens. All 3-4. Maybe we should switch.

Posted by: FedorEm | January 11, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

http://www.nfl.com/players/kyleorton/situationalstats?id=ORT716150

I dont want to get into another heated discussion on this.. I got ripped yesterday for "unfairly" posting these stats.. But, I think the last four plays of the San Diego game (and the season) spoke volumes.. Skins needed to get around the 40 yard line for what would of been a tying FG. But all 4 pass attempts were inaccurate. The last pass 15+ yards out of bounds Hail Mary - (no INT though). No QB college or High School throws a Hail Mary out of bounds at the 50 yard line.
In comparing the two QBs, if JC is worth keeping should only a 2nd round compensation be proffered to the Skins then RFA Orton might be worth looking at if also only a 2nd Rnd compensation is required. He could be worth it. All the analysts I have read, have Orton as the number one Free Agent QB over Jason. In some reports Jason is listed as #3.
The available QBs in the Draft are not slam-dunk NFL ready. As one analyst stated in the BCS.. "Bradford's shoulder goes out in a strong wind."
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Cliftonbiz wrote;

Skinsneeda..
where are these stats from.. ??? If you're going to drop this sdfsdf... quote your source..
=======================================

(Warner added)

QB ratings with 7 minutes left in the 4th QTr...

Peyton Manning 132
Brett Favre 118
Kyle Orton 106.8
Drew Brees 106.6
Ben Roethlisberger 98.2
Eli Manning 94.8
Kurt Warner 88.1
Donovan McNabb 76.1
Jason Campbell 61.0

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 10, 2010 9:09 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 11, 2010 12:08 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 11, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

SkinsneedaGM, you gona change your name or what?

Posted by: REXskins | January 11, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Tony Romo's facebook site... a good LOL for us Redskins folks: http://walterfootball.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15744

Posted by: TDawg1 | January 11, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

If the coaching staff decides that we can run a 3-4 then I will be behind it.

Please no one say we don't have the personnell, because we don't know who the players will be until after FA and the draft so maybe we will have the players.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell > Joe Flacco

Keep Campbell and try to get him the pieces around him like Flacco has.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 11, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

wow I went 0 for 4 in the Post pro picks this week

Posted by: alex35332 | January 11, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse
So who do you like this week, alex? I need some sure bets!

Posted by: frediefritz | January 11, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Rodgers and Warner were sicker than Boy George picturing Michael Jackson in little boys' drawers shoppin' in toy stores.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 11, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Thoughts on Kyle Orton:

The Patriots would have won with Kyle Orton yesterday.

Kyle Orton would have completed that OT pass to Jennings. Game over.

Replace Donovan McNabb with Kyle Orton = Championship.

Kyle Orton works out with Leigh Torrence in the offseason.

Kyle Orton's beard is insured by LLoyd's of London.

Kyle Orton dunked on Lebron James, but Nike suppressed the video.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | January 11, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

So who do you like this week, alex? I need some sure bets!

Posted by: frediefritz | January 11, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

All the home teams.

What is amazing is I am still in the top 89% of the guys who pick in the Post thing.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 11, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

does anyone else want to see us go to a 3-4 D it jus seems like players can make more plays in a 3-4 lol plus it jus looks awesome

Posted by: Felz2o2 | January 11, 2010 9:36 AM
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I don't think it makes much difference whether you run a 4-3 or a 3-4; it's all about being aggressive and unpredictable. Two years ago, the hot property was the Giants and their fire zone blitzes from a 4-3. Last year, it was the Steelers 3-4 defense. The Ravens defense is a little bit of everything. I think you pick the scheme that works the best with the players that you have and then you throw in enough wrinkles to keep the QB guessing and the RB in control. Personally I would like to see the 4-3 stay in Washington with Orakpo packing on some pounds and muscle in the offseason, and transitioning to a full time defensive end. I'd like to see them find a true free safety and have Laron play strong safety every down. I'd like to see them find another linebacker. Chris Wilson has done an okay job with the transition but is still a liability in pass coverage.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | January 11, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse


You forgot to mention that Kyle Orton could run a successful 3-4 defense.

Posted by: p1funk | January 11, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Personally I would like to see the 4-3 stay in Washington with Orakpo packing on some pounds and muscle in the offseason, and transitioning to a full time defensive end.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse


Why mess with a good thing?

Orakpo had 11 sacks playing as an OLB and part-time DE...in his rookie year.

Let him take the time to learn the LB position better.

If he puts on pounds and muscles, he's going to lose some of his explosiveness and quickness.

If he's a full-time DE, he's gonna get worn down in the run game.

One of the few things that worked for this team this year was the pass-rushing chmeistry with Orakpo and Carter. There's alot to change with this team, but I don't think that needs to be one of them.

Posted by: p1funk | January 11, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

true REX regarding the handle...But, Shanny is now the GM without the title. In the mold of Holmgren in Seattle.. However, I think Shanny is organized enough to pull it off, unlike Holmgren.

Allen (by his own admission) is only a cap guy.. Not an experienced GM. Allen got the GM title thrown in with Exec VP..to calm the rioting (no more Skins merchandise buying) masses.
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SkinsneedaGM, you gona change your name or what?

Posted by: REXskins | January 11, 2010 9:57 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 11, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

been out for a little while, any new word on Shanny's staff, any hirings or good rumors on who we are getting...please dont say Gray or Slowik for DC

Posted by: mhartz1 | January 11, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 11, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Really PortisPockets?
After the last 4 years of JC, you would equally accept Campbell or Flacco beind center next September in the last two minutes of a one score game?
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Jason Campbell > Joe Flacco

Keep Campbell and try to get him the pieces around him like Flacco has.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 11, 2010 10:02 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 11, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I don't mind if we keep Campbell another year and draft a QB this year to sit back and learn under "The Shanny's".... I don't think Campbell costs us many games...he hasn't won that many either, but he gets a little better each year.. We certainly could be doing worse. He's big durable and I think under Shanny can be serviceable until we identify who/when that other QB starts.
Posted by: michael_b_clegg
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Could be doing worse?? How much worse than 4-12 do you think we can do?? Campbell has done nothing but lose since he has been the starter. And his stats are deciving because he throws so many short passes and has played so often against prevent defenses because the Skins were behind so often.. Campbell HAS TO GO!! He divides the locker room.. read what Portis AND Cooley has said about his lack of leadership.. and he has never shown the ability to step up and win a game when the game was on the line.. And besides why would Campbell want to learn another new system for just ONE YEAR to be a place holder for the guy starting in 2011??? Ship Campbell out.. start Colt Brennan, (hey maybe we have the QB of the future on the team now and just don't realize it) And draft a guy in the 2nd or 4th round just in case Colt is not that guy...

Posted by: sovine08 | January 11, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

(Rodgers, Romo, Flacco added)

QB ratings with 7 minutes left in the 4th QTr...

Peyton Manning 132
Brett Favre 118
Aaron Rodgers 112.1
Kyle Orton 106.8
Drew Brees 106.6
Rony Romo 102.4
Ben Roethlisberger 98.2
Eli Manning 94.8
Kurt Warner 88.1
Joe Flacco 77.1
Donovan McNabb 76.1
Jason Campbell 61.0

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 11, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

p1funk,
Like Wilson, Orakpo is also a liability in pass coverage. In the NFC East you have to contend with big tight ends that can catch a pass, and invariably a linebacker will get isolated in pass coverage on them. I remember all too well watching Orakpo a few steps behind Witten as he grabbed a long pass. So, I like Orakpo better as an end than as a linebacker.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Aaron Rodgers looked an awful lot like Soup on that last play yesterday.
Way to go Cards, former NFC East Team. I hope you beat the Saints, if for no other reason than they packed it in the last three games. Cards will prevail.

Posted by: diamond_jim | January 11, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Kurt Warner, (will NOT be HOF)
Tom Brady, (Will be HOF)
Ben Roethlisberger, (May be HOF)
Peyton Manning, (Will be HOF)
Eli Manning, (50/50 HOF)

Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2010 7:40 PM

I wanted to comment on this last week. Even forgetting yesterday's game (if that is even possible), there is no way that Kurt Warner is not a HOF QB. His only real drawback is the length of his career (so far). Otherwise, he is about as elite as one can get (not named Montana, PManning, or Brady). He has put the Rams and the freakin Cards in the Superbowl. He won't have career numbers because of his late start and he did have some mediocre years on some mediocre teams (not every team is run as well as Indy/NE). But there is no denying that the guy plays the QB position spectacularly.

The only thing 50/50 about Eli is whether he could hit the broad side of a barn half the time. Brady and Peyton are no brainers. The line on Big Ben is correct...well on his way but a bit too soon to tell.

Posted by: amaranthpa | January 11, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I remember all too well watching Orakpo a few steps behind Witten as he grabbed a long pass.
Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2010 10:27 AM

Isn't this a somewhat frequent occurance with most LBs on Witten? I will agree that Orakpo is currently a lot better as an end but saying he sucks in coverage because he got beat (as a rookie) by a potential HOF TE is somewhat misleading, no?

Posted by: amaranthpa | January 11, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Pulling for the Jets versus Cardinals in SB.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 11, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Whoever submitted the post that compared Bradford to Peyton Manning, get real!

Posted by: jdumb | January 11, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I guess they'd all rather just use the pick on a guy that has never played a down in the NFL...

Doubt it.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 11, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse


Really? You doubt that?

Can you name an instance when a team traded a 2nd round pick for a 5-year veteran QB with a losing record who has never been to the playoffs or the Pro Bowl?

BTW - In case you haven't noticed, most teams use their draft picks on guys who have never played a down in the NFL...that is, of course, the point of the draft pick.

Posted by: p1funk | January 11, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

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