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Shanahan plans in-person evaluation of top 4 or 5 QBs in draft

Obviously Mike Shanahan wasn't revealing his NFL Draft board, but he did have nice words to share about the top quarterback prospects in next month's draft. He had an especially glowing review of Tim Tebow, and we'll have more on that later.

But if you're the type who's convinced the Redskins will select a quarterback with the No. 4 overall pick, nothing Shanahan said today at the NFL owners' meetings in Orlando would dissuade you from that belief.


In fact, as Shanahan prepares for the draft, he's taking a special interest in personally scouting the top quarterback prospects. The Redskins coach says he'll evaluate the top four or five quarterbacks in-person over the next month.

Shanahan also said today that he doesn't expect to name a starting quarterback before training camp opens, and he'll be watching Jason Campbell closely during minicamps to see if Campbell should be the starter.

"I don't think you know until you actually work with somebody for sure exactly how they're going to handle your system," Shanahan said. "I think Jason's handled a lot of different systems in college and pro. He's a big guy, an excellent athlete and he's a worker. So now we get a chance to let it unfold and see how it goes."

Even as Shanahan ponders Campbell's immediate future with the team, he'll be very busy the next few weeks seeing if one of the quarterbacks in this year's draft offers a long-term solution.

He saw Tebow Saturday in Gainesville, and the Redskins are already scheduled to visit with Sam Bradford in Norman, Okla., next month. It seems like a safe guess that Jimmy Clausen and perhaps Colt McCoy are on Shanahan's to-see list, too.

The team will invite other prospects from a variety of different positions to visit Redskins Park and will no doubt send scouts to check out several of these guys up-close. But when it comes to the quarterback position, Shanahan apparently likes to take matters into his own hands.

"I think with a quarterback, you like to actually see the ball, the spin of the ball, watch the way the guy handles himself," he said. "You see a lot on film, you have the interviews with him, you've met with the guy. But actually to see the delivery in-person is something that I enjoy doing."

Plus, he notes that he hasn't picked so high in the draft in a long time and jokes that there's another reason he's going to scout the quarterbacks so closely in-person.

"It gives you something to do," he said with a chuckle. "You've got the fourth pick -- you can't just be sitting around the office all the time, right?"

By Rick Maese  |  March 24, 2010; 2:15 PM ET
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Comments

Just say no, Mike, just say no

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 24, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully this means the coach is committing to actually drafting a quarterback... if only because he has realized that he doesn't have one at the moment.

Posted by: Vic1 | March 24, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Great. Our draft strategy may be a result of boredom.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 24, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Let the JC17 debates begin...

Posted by: Alan4 | March 24, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Offensive line, offensive line, offensive line.

Posted by: mussdd | March 24, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

TOP QB's IN THIS YEARS DRAFT:
Sam Bradford
QB, Oklahoma
#
Jimmy Clausen QB, Notre Dame
02
#
Tim Tebow QB, Florida
03
#
John Skelton QB, Fordham
04
#
Colt McCoy QB, Texas
05
#
Jarrett Brown QB, West Virginia
06
#
Jevan Snead QB, Ole Miss
07
#
Tony Pike QB, Cincinnati
08
#
Mike Kafka QB, Northwestern
09
#
Jonathan Crompton QB, Tennessee
================================================

sooooo, shanny will be checking out mccoy, skelton, and brown very soon... they will all be available in the 2nd round or lower...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | March 24, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

mussdd said: Offensive line, offensive line, offensive line.

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DITTO, DITTO, DITTO

Posted by: kone | March 24, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

They said Jesus was a nice guy too, how did things pan out for him?

Posted by: RedDMV

Pretty good. They threw him a great going away dinner, He came back to life after the Easter bunny rolled the rock away from his tomb. He's got a great seat next to the Big Guy, had a bunch of religions based on him, and his name is on the lips of every mechanic who bangs his thumb and a certain Florida Gator QB who chats him up constantly.

Posted by: TheCork | March 24, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

3 (4 or 5?) card monty runnin'. Sweet.

Oh.. and I'm going to start callin' JReid "The Mayonnaise" until he stops his biased slants.

I like his reporting in general, but would love to learn what's behind his outright disdain for CPo.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 24, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Yes.... we need an O-line

Yes.... That should be the priority

But.... If Shanny feels one of these guys can be "the guy" life is good for Skins fans

The last home grown franchise QB we had was:

Trent Green, and we let him get away

forget JC17, it's time to move on

Clausen will be the pick

Posted by: byrdinthesky | March 24, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

"...forget JC17, it's time to move on..."


Ditto.

That a three-four year starting quarterback has to re-audition is a telling point to his failings.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 24, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Jarrett Brown QB, West Virginia

Mike Kafka QB, Northwestern

______________________________


I think these two will be solid backups more sooner than later.

Posted by: TWISI | March 24, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Having to compete for a starting spot w/ Rex Grossman is a telling point to his failings.

... playing QB for the 2010 RedSkins is a..

...wait a minute..

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 24, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

It is tough to say anything on Cluasen. I was too "hurt" to throw at ND pro day and thus we are stuck waiting for him to throw until April 9th or whatever it is. Until he does that, he will remain impossible to draft at 4 and even after his pro day, unless he really lights it up, I doubt he'll be a top 5 pick... his value just isn't high enough for that.

Plus, how good can he be if hes on his butt the entire game? We simply do not have a LT at all on our roster, while we do have a QB, 3 at that.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 24, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

It is tough to say anything on Cluasen. I was too "hurt" to throw at ND pro day and thus we are stuck waiting for him to throw until April 9th or whatever it is. Until he does that, he will remain impossible to draft at 4 and even after his pro day, unless he really lights it up, I doubt he'll be a top 5 pick... his value just isn't high enough for that.

Plus, how good can he be if hes on his butt the entire game? We simply do not have a LT at all on our roster, while we do have a QB, 3 at that.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 24, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

If Jonathan Cropmton made the list for top QB's coming out this year, that says all you need to know about how bad a year it is to draft one. He was terrible at best at Tenne.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | March 24, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

my bad.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 24, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

"Clausen will be the pick"
------------
I'm just curious, anyone have examples of QBs who underwhelmed in college (for whatever reason) and then went on to light it up in the pros?

To clarify, my basis for saying Clausen underwhelmed is that out of HS, he was the second coming--one of the most highly recruited players in recent history. No mater why people think things turned out the way they did, I believe Notre Dame expected much greater things from the Clausen years.

Posted by: closer44 | March 24, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 24, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Plus, he notes that he hasn't picked so high in the draft in a long time and jokes that there's another reason he's going to scout the quarterbacks so closely in-person.

"It gives you something to do," he said with a chuckle. "You've got the fourth pick -- you can't just be sitting around the office all the time, right?"

One of the benefits of following a lousy coach and gm.

Hey Scamp,
I'm not sure what we're arguing about. I read your response. I agree with a lot of what you said, though I think some folks could try a little harder when it comes to acting like a Christian. I made a joke about Tebow being a "god-fearing young man." I never said it was wrong for him, you or anyone to believe what they believe. Thing is, if people want to openly express their faith, they shouldn't be shocked when other chose to openly express their doubt, or even their annoyance. It works both ways.

Posted by: mack1 | March 24, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Good I like the fact Shanny is looking at other QB's so he can compare and contrast. BUT IF he choose JC #17 to be his starter; can all doubters/negative nellie, brady/manning butt kissers eat crow...Tue redskins fans don't care if they put JEFF GEORGE or SHANE MATTHEWS BACK THERE YOU will still cheer unless your just flat dumb!!! Because evidently a 3x superbowl coach doesnt know about talent and don't know a good QB when he sees one. This new QB crap is getting tired when when have a rotting offensive line which still has a center whose flat out GARBAGE!! I feel better now...

Posted by: hammer4 | March 24, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

No to any QB in the 1st Round. Yes to trading down or trading Albert Haynesworth to Detroit for their #1 pick and get Russell Okung and Ndamukong Suh. Everyone would be happy, Fat Albert will be back with his defensive coordinator from Tennessee and we get two younger hungry prospects on both sides of the line. KUNG KONG brothers!

Posted by: dukebound15 | March 24, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

The draft is nothing but lies, more lies and damned lies. WHAT does Shanny have to gain by saying "We love this kid Okung and we're hoping nobody takes him before the #4 pick." Especially considering Detroit is already trying to back out of the #2 spot. So, does he want a QB? Maybe. But, something tells me Shanny is hoping Jimmy Clausen performs well so they can start a little buzz about him, force some stupid team to move up to get him (similar to the buzz Sanchez had last year), so the Redskins can use that to their advantage. It's all LIES, I tell you. You can't handle the truth. Ha!

Posted by: C-DubDC | March 24, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

No mater why people think things turned out the way they did, I believe Notre Dame expected much greater things from the Clausen years.

Posted by: closer44 | March 24, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse
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Were these the same folks who terminated Ty Willingham for the same performance Weiss landed an extension for?

Someone needs to clue those guys in that 'Their Lady' is doing shots at the Naval Officers Club, that miracle birth is no longer a plausible explanation, and that ND is a historical footnote to the national college discussion.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 24, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

dikshuttle

"Having to compete for a starting spot w/ Rex Grossman is a telling point to his failings."

That's what I'm saying: Campbell has to prove he's better than a guy who's already been proven to be bad.

I have a sense that Rex Grossman will next start Fall while a young'n quarterback learns which end of clipboard is which.

And as for Campbell, he'll be gone like St Joe's images of his being the next Doug Williams.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 24, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dukebound15 | March 24, 2010 2:05 PM

Any talk of trading AH is complete lunacy. He's not going anywhere with the $ he is owed.

And, I'd prefer to see us give JCampbell a try behind an NFL O-line with an NFL coach/playcaller.

Or, we can just trot out another rookie or Grossman with another high school caliber O-line.

How do you suppose that will work out?

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 24, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

No to any QB in the 1st Round. Yes to trading down or trading Albert Haynesworth to Detroit for their #1 pick...

Posted by: dukebound15 | March 24, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse
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You do know that Matt Millen was fired, right?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 24, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Amen, Moe.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 24, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Moe - we both know JC isn't going anywhere unless we get offered a 1st/2nd for him..and that is unlikely.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 24, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: C-DubDC | March 24, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Buffalo, Cleveland, Vikings, Broncos, and Seattle could all be looking for a QB. If Bradford is gone then maybe someone will come up to #4 to get Clausen.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 24, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

There are rumors flying everywhere in ny that the rams are looking to trade for mcnabb, and the eagles are now considering trading mcnabb to the rams for a package of picks. (1st pick is not included, but a list of others, including 2nd rounder)

if that happens, you can kiss okung goodbye.

it will be bradford

Posted by: ecartola | March 24, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm not anywhere close to a Notre Dame fan--the opposite really. In fact when they signed him I remember thinking "oh sh!t, maybe they're on their way back." My point is that Clausen was the #1 rated recruit in the universe, and it didn't bring ND any real payoff.

My real question, though: Have there been QBs who didn't live up to their billing in college and then went on to light up the NFL?

Posted by: closer44 | March 24, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 24, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

"...we both know JC isn't going anywhere unless we get offered a 1st/2nd for him..and that is unlikely."


A 1st and a 2nd for Campbell is desired, but seeing how we are all inclined to settle at various points in our lives, he'd fetch a low 3rd or 4th.

And in this draft, such picks average out to be a pretty good deal.

And if the chance to make it comes, I'd take it.

And please don't shout, "We don't want Rex starting for us!" because that might happen anyways.

Me?: I'm for getting what I can while I can.

Trade Campbell and move on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 24, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Any talk of trading AH is complete lunacy. He's not going anywhere with the $ he is owed.

And, I'd prefer to see us give JCampbell a try behind an NFL O-line with an NFL coach/playcaller.

Or, we can just trot out another rookie or Grossman with another high school caliber O-line.

How do you suppose that will work out?

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 24, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse


Next year AH is only owed $6 mil and his cap hit prolly won't even be that much thanks to them restructuring his deal yesterday. He's as good as gone after this season (or whenever football resumes after the lockout).

Posted by: C-DubDC | March 24, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Shannahan is making a smart move looking at the top 4-5 QB's, I mean first things first who thinks 5 QB's will be grabbed in the first round anyway?

Odds are one or 2 of these QB's he looks at will still be there in the 2nd as well as in the first round.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 24, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

The last home grown franchise QB we had was:

Trent Green, and we let him get away

forget JC17, it's time to move on

Clausen will be the pick

Posted by: byrdinthesky | March 24, 2010 1:47 PM


Not exactly "home grown", but close... Green was drafted in 1993 by the San Diego Chargers. He spent a year there, did some time in the CFL before joining the Skins in 1995. Here, he got more stability than any Skins QB since Mark Rypien: 3 years riding the pine under the same coach in the same system, same coach, Norv Turner, before eventually starting in 1998.

Something to be said for stability.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 24, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

On Albert, I think he's gonna be paid a ton of $$$ this year -- and comes cheap the following two years after that.

It makes a huge difference in his trade value.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 24, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

If Bradford and Okung are gone at #4, I think we will be able to find a trade partner to move up for Suh or McCoy and pick up another second or third rounder we desperately need.

Look for LT's Bulaga or Charles Brown in the first depending on how far back we drop, or Roger Saffold in the second.

Or look at MLB Rolando McClain or CB Joe Hayden in the first and take two OT's with the next two picks.

Lot's of ways to make this work. Not worried about not getting Okung or Bradford at #1, as long as we get good value and address needs with each pick.

Posted by: edvar | March 24, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

All I know is that the last time JC had an unpredictable offense, an offensive line, and a running game, he looked just fine staffing the signal caller role. For that matter, the same goes for Grossman.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 24, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: C-DubDC | March 24, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Buffalo, Cleveland, Vikings, Broncos, and Seattle could all be looking for a QB. If Bradford is gone then maybe someone will come up to #4 to get Clausen.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 24, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

True, then that opens a huge can of worms. Certainly we have leverage for those teams wanting to move up to get Clausen at #4, but may want to under-bid us considering Detroit @ #2 is actively trying to move back. They aren't going to give us the farm knowing another team could easily leapfrog them into the two spot for Clausen. And, I don't think you can put stock in Cleveland or Broncos -- Holmgren is NOT interested in Clausen and the Broncos just got Quinn. I don't think are investing in a 1st round QB until they see how that pans out, IMO.

Posted by: C-DubDC | March 24, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

jimmy the crickett you left out Dan LeFevour, a guy who shined more than the other QBs in the Senior bowl I believe it was. Why is LeFevour getting forgotten by so many, he's easily better than Brown, Snead, Pike, Kafkha and Crompton. The one guy from Penn State and MccOy of Texas and Skelton are the only guys I think are even in the same ball park as him aside of the other top three. (BTW I didn't see the kid from Penn state I think it was on this list either) At least I think it was the Kid from PSU, you also left out the kid from OSU.

Posted by: Veretax | March 24, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

mattsoundworld

"For that matter, the same goes for Grossman."



So if Campbell and Rexy are both even, how do we lose by moving Campbell for pick(s) if they can be had?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 24, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Lot's of ways to make this work. Not worried about not getting Okung or Bradford at #1, as long as we get good value and address needs with each pick.

Posted by: edvar | March 24, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I totally agree with this. It would be cool though if we got everyone to think we wanted Clausen, then got traded an extra pick or two to move down from the 4 spot. I really don't care who is playing QB next year sa long as the OL is mashing people.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 24, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Hey Scamp,
I'm not sure what we're arguing about. I read your response. I agree with a lot of what you said, though I think some folks could try a little harder when it comes to acting like a Christian. I made a joke about Tebow being a "god-fearing young man." I never said it was wrong for him, you or anyone to believe what they believe. Thing is, if people want to openly express their faith, they shouldn't be shocked when other chose to openly express their doubt, or even their annoyance. It works both ways.

Posted by: mack1 | March 24, 2010 2:02 PM |

Well, we can agree there. I was simply stating that calling someone a coward for being a God fearing young man was foolish. And I also agree that if you attempt to push religion you should be willing to get pushed back. There is no doubt that many people should try a little harder to be a good Christian. Actually I don't think any spiritual person should ever be satisfied with where they're at as far as spiritual principles. Anyways, seems like we're mostly on the same page here so bygones, maps, such as...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 24, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Let's see how he does with an average QB.

.

Posted by: oldnova | March 24, 2010 12:59 PM

He went 14-2 with Jake Plummer.

Posted by: TWISI | March 24, 2010 1:04 PM


Plummer >> JlaC

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 24, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

We don't, some people have separation anxiety ... or have "issues" with change.

Posted by: C-DubDC | March 24, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Just saw this pic of a road I drove on a couple years ago

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=3587622&id=42004316593

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 24, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Plummer >> JlaC

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Ummm, Plummer is a better QB than Jason LaCanfora?

Posted by: alex35332 | March 24, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

"It gives you something to do," he said with a chuckle. "You've got the fourth pick -- you can't just be sitting around the office all the time, right?"

+++++++++++++++++++++++

That's what Zorn said after they brought in Sherm.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

So if Campbell and Rexy are both even, how do we lose by moving Campbell for pick(s) if they can be had?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 24, 2010 2:31 PM

Grossman was given nicknames like "Rex Glassman" and "Wrecks Grossman" due to his many injuries. He's started 16 games one time in his career.

Are you ready to get back on the Heath Schuler, Pat Ramsey, Mark Brunnell carousel?

With no O-line, Rex Glassman will reappear.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 24, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Holmgren is making it well known that he loves every QB in the draft except Clausen. Which we all know translates to a man crush on Jimmy..

Browns got the fever for LeFevour?
11:16 AM ET

Dan LeFevour | Interested: Browns? Top Email According to a report from the Canton Repository, Central Michigan QB Dan LeFevour can count the Cleveland Browns as a team that has him on their radar for April's draft. This is not a surprising move, and we speculated recently that LeFevour would make sense for the team.

LeFevour will run extensive passing drills at his pro day on Wednesday, and we should have a better feel for where he'll be drafted after th

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 24, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

"To clarify, my basis for saying Clausen underwhelmed is that out of HS, he was the second coming--one of the most highly recruited players in recent history. No mater why people think things turned out the way they did, I believe Notre Dame expected much greater things from the Clausen years"

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say he was overwhelmed by their expectations?

Posted by: Samson151 | March 24, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

So if Campbell and Rexy are both even, how do we lose by moving Campbell for pick(s) if they can be had?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 24, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse
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That's a mighty big if, but yeah, IF we can get more than our first round selection for him, we go for it. Otherwise, I think you go into the season comfortable at the QB position knowing you have some depth and viable competition without any long term commitments hamstringing your decision at the end of the season

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 24, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey Spud2, how's your boy JC like this article? Ha! Ha! Ha!

Posted by: theBozyn1 | March 24, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I was simply stating that calling someone a coward for being a God fearing young man was foolish.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 24, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse
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Wait... you didn't get the joke there? He fears god, so he's a coward? Comon, that was classic Phil

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 24, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I totally agree with this. It would be cool though if we got everyone to think we wanted Clausen, then got traded an extra pick or two to move down from the 4 spot. I really don't care who is playing QB next year sa long as the OL is mashing people.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 24, 2010 2:32 PM

We have sooo many positions of need that we can get the best value and fill needs at the same time. I value LT's, QB's, CB's and D line/ILB over other positions of need for the first two rounds. Eric Berry is very tempting, but I've got bigger needs that are harder to fill....


Also, Hamster Nation, what say ye about a guy like RB Ben Tate (Auburn) in the fourth round? Is he the right kind of back for Shanny's system?

Posted by: edvar | March 24, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

"Are you ready to get back on the Heath Schuler, Pat Ramsey, Mark Brunnell carousel?"

You mean we got off?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 24, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Plummer >> JlaC

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2010 2:33 PM

???

Posted by: TWISI | March 24, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Todd McShay
Stock still sliding / Jevan Snead

"Snead took part only in passing drills and looked good in a scripted session that showed off his arm strength and ability to throw on the run. However, one scout in attendance noted that it's easy to look accurate throwing against air when there is no pressure. Snead's issues surface when pass rushers are in his face and he's forced to make decisions on the fly so this workout does nothing to raise his plummeting stock. The best case for him is coming off the board somewhere on Day 3."

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 24, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Ummm, Plummer is a better QB than Jason LaCanfora?


Posted by: alex35332 | March 24, 2010 2:39 PM |

Yes....

And

Plummer >> JC17

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Holmgren has already said he plans on taking a QB in this draft. Seneca Wallace is not a starting QB in this league. He is more of a wildcat type, package type guy who is going to cause problems for a defense due to their inability to match up with him... Also Jake Delhomme is finished. The man is no longer a starting caliber QB in this league and is certainly no more than a 1 year stop gap. Now that Quinn and Anderson are gone the Browns have no young Qbs to build around and thus will be forced to take a QB this year.

I think the Browns will be active come the draft trying to trade up for Bradford. I agree with you Diessel in the thinking that Holmgren has bashed Clausen a few times now, which can only mean that he truly loves him... maybe if he cant get Bradford he'll trade up with us to get Clausen.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 24, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Also, Hamster Nation, what say ye about a guy like RB Ben Tate (Auburn) in the fourth round? Is he the right kind of back for Shanny's system?

Posted by: edvar | March 24, 2010 2:47 PM

He won't be there, 2nd-3rd rd

At the beginning of March, Bill Barnwell of the Football Outsiders raised Tate's profile a bit, as the Auburn RB had the top "speed score," which is a function of a player's weight and 40-yard dash time:

Football Outsiders
Tate is great, in the right scheme

"Tate is exactly the sort of player that game film is likely to misrepresent. As part of the annual Auburn change in offensive scheme, Tate lost his job in 2008 when the team moved to a spread offense. Since he's a north-south runner without great raw speed, that makes sense, but when the team moved back to a more conventional style in 2009, Tate ran for nearly 1,400 yards in one of the country's toughest conferences. Playing in the spread improved his receiving abilities to the point that they're a plus, too." - Bill Barnwell

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 24, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Moe - I meant 1st or 2nd, not 1st AND 2nd, but you get the idea. I don't think I could settle for less than a 2nd.

Cdub - that's in 2011. AH isn't going anywhere THIS year.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 24, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

"I agree with you Diessel in the thinking that Holmgren has bashed Clausen a few times now, which can only mean that he truly loves him..."


That's some cheap azzed reverse psychology.

But if he wants to switch from 7 to 4 in order to get him, he should do his bidness on the down low.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 24, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Plummer >> JC17

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Did you ever actually watch Plummer play?

Plummer == JC

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 24, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Lot's of ways to make this work. Not worried about not getting Okung or Bradford at #1, as long as we get good value and address needs with each pick.

Posted by: edvar | March 24, 2010 2:25 PM

Spiller

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

how is drafting spiller going to help this team 4th? When there are no holes to run through, how is he going to score?

Makes ZERO sense.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 24, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Let's all sing it together:

http://www.gleeclub.com/experience/music/almamater.mp3


Far Above Cayuga's Waters
With its waves of blue,
Stands our noble Alma Mater
Glorious to view.


Lift the chorus, speed it onward,
Loud her praises tell.
Hail to thee, our Alma Mater,
Hail, all hail, Cornell!

Far Above the busy humming
Of the bustling town;
Reared against the arch of Heaven,
Looks she proudly down.


Lift the chorus, speed it onward,
Loud her praises tell.
Hail to thee, our Alma Mater,
Hail, all hail, Cornell!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 24, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Plummer >> JC17

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2010 2:50 PM

The original post was how will Shanahan do with an average QB. Plummer is the definition of an average NFL QB. Please don't debate that fact.

Posted by: TWISI | March 24, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Cdub - that's in 2011. AH isn't going anywhere THIS year.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 24, 2010 2:56 PM

Not impossible..We pay his "option bonus" of 21 mil and then trade him. We would only get 10 cents on the dollar but it's possible. The other team would get him on the cheap and we would get a pick.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 24, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

how is drafting spiller going to help this team 4th? When there are no holes to run through, how is he going to score?

Makes ZERO sense.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Makes as much sense as drafting a QB right now. It would be Ramsey in Spurrier's offense all over again.

Posted by: dcwun | March 24, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

The first disaster relief super carrier shall be christened the USS Cornellcez

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 24, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Plumber had an okay career, hard to say for sure if he is better than JC, Looking at his numbers now and he ended his career with 161 TD's 161 INT's.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 24, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

All I know is that the last time JC had an unpredictable offense, an offensive line, and a running game, he looked just fine staffing the signal caller role.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 24, 2010 2:26 PM


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Who was coaching that team when Campbell looked fine as a signal caller?

Couldn't have been Zorn, the same push over who was clueless about play calling could it?

Play calling works so much better when open receivers are, ya know, thrown the ball.

Posted by: Vicc | March 24, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

LT, and RT is what this team needs to focus on....rb, at this point is a luxury pick....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 24, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Greg,
I don't know if its a luxury pick, I think getting one late in the draft may work out. with good scouting a guy who can get 3-4 carries a game may be available in the end of the draft.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 24, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

New thread on 'God'son.

beepbeepbeepbeep

Posted by: Vicc | March 24, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Makes as much sense as drafting a QB right now. It would be Ramsey in Spurrier's offense all over again.

Posted by: dcwun | March 24, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse
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Easy... Shanahans offense may be bad for a year or so, but it will not be a joke.

Spurrier actually had decent talent to work with (Stephen Davis, bookend tackles, tight end (Steven Alexander?), Laverneaus Coles, etc.), so I get what you are saying, but the analogy doesn't quite hold up.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 24, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Did you ever actually watch Plummer play?

Plummer == JC

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 24, 2010 2:57 PM

Eh...Yeah...We played him twice a year.

You thought last years Redskins team were bad....Now he was on legitimately bad teams in Arizona......

He had 2, maybe 3 bad years in his total carrer....but proved in Denver he could hang....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Who was coaching that team when Campbell looked fine as a signal caller?

Couldn't have been Zorn, the same push over who was clueless about play calling could it?

Play calling works so much better when open receivers are, ya know, thrown the ball.

Posted by: Vicc | March 24, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse
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Seems almost too coincidental, right? That just about the time that the league starts to develop a book on Zorn, the production falls off a map. Actually, it wasn't the league, it was LeBeau in Pitt who figured out how to make Zorn curl up into 5 yard out land, and then he handed that to the rest of the league. It all makes sense.

More sense than a hypothesis that our QB suddenly stopped throwing the ball to open receivers, anyway.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 24, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Eh...Yeah...We played him twice a year.

You thought last years Redskins team were bad....Now he was on legitimately bad teams in Arizona......

He had 2, maybe 3 bad years in his total carrer....but proved in Denver he could hang....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I think you need to take a better look at Plummer. It's more like 5 bad seasons and 1 good one and that's if you like to use team records to indicate player success. If you like to use player stats for player success then he had 2 good seasons in Arizona.

1997 4-12
1998 9-7
1999 6-10
2000 3-13
2001 7-9
2002 5-11

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 24, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Shan-the-man is so smart. He's not going to scout QBs because there's nothing to do; this is very strategic.
By personally meeting with all the top prospects (presumably all the NFL QBs of the future), he's gaining valuable insight on our potential enemies' strengths and weaknesses, so we can be better prepared down the road to crush them in game time.
Also, it gives more credibility if we want to "appear" more interested in a QB, when we actually may truly be wanting to do some pick swaps on Draft Day. It gives us options to play with.
Nice chess move, Shanny!

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | March 24, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Some of the mystery will be gone BEFORE 4/22. Don't the Rams get to negotiate with whoever they want as 1st Pick? We'll know before the draft starts if Bradford's off the board. Then it'll be Okung. Mystery solved. I'd be very happy landing Bradford OR Okung. OL is a need NOW, but having THE guy at QB is a must to winning big. I just don't what to pick top 5 EVER again. Our track record ain't that good.

Posted by: DCV1 | March 24, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I hope Shanny takes a close look at Lefevour from Central Michigan. He's an accurate passer. He's a mobile QB. But most importantly, he's a leader. Take him in the 2nd round Shanny.

Posted by: coparker5 | March 24, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm just curious, anyone have examples of QBs who underwhelmed in college (for whatever reason) and then went on to light it up in the pros?
Posted by: closer44
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Yeah Tom Brady.. so underwhemed in college that he wasn't picked till the 6th round. he did pretty good in pros.. Tony Romo wasn't even drafted he was so underwhelming in college...

Posted by: sovine08 | March 24, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Here's my question how come every one thinks if we don't draft Okung somehow we will have the same OL as last year??? Or if we don't draft an OL man at number 4 we can't improve the OL? The Skins have a second round pick and a 4th round pick.. Remember Russ Grimm wasn't drafted till the 3rd round and Jacoby wasn't drafted at all.. We can draft later and we can pick up free agents.. to ignore all other positions besides OL is a mistake.. If we can grab a franchise QB.. get him. Yeah it might take more than a year to put together a solid OL.. but that is how championship teams are built one piece at a time.. but it all starts wih a franchise QB... Shanahan just has to decide if Clausen can be that guy...

Posted by: sovine08 | March 24, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Fix the o-line LT and RT youth draft okung if he is there if not try to trade down for more picks. forget about the franchise qb" garbage most of the so-called top qb's this year are weaklings(can't take a hit) with mediocre arms lacking mobility and other question marks. If shanahan drafts a "great white hope qb this is probably snyder's call and the qb they take will not last half a season behind a line with the neanderthal looking rabach at center and heyer at RT.

Posted by: wathu19 | March 24, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Will he even look at LeFevour? This kid can play. Draft Okung first and then trade down in the second and get LeFevour later in that round or in the third with the acquired pick.

Posted by: skinsfan2k | March 24, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

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