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Turner offered position on Shanahan's staff

(UPDATED, 10:09 p.m.)

When Mike Shanahan took over as head coach of the Denver Broncos in 1995, he hired a career college assistant named Bobby Turner to coach his running backs. Turner went on to be on the Broncos' staff for Shanahan's entire 14-year tenure. Now, it appears Turner will follow Shanahan to the Redskins -- with a promotion.

According to the Denver Post, Turner -- who remained on the Broncos' staff after Shanahan was fired following the 2008 season -- has been offered the title of associate head coach with the Redskins. The offer comes after the Broncos initially denied the Redskins' request to interview Turner. It's possible they relented after Shanahan came back with a potential promotion for Turner.

Turner, 60, did not return messages Monday night. But he would no doubt have a significant hand in the running game with the Redskins, just as he did in Denver during a period when Shanahan's prolific offense was based largely on its ground attack. Turner helped six different running backs have 1,000-yard seasons with the Broncos, adjusting to different personalities but, according to former Broncos, generally preferring backs who made one cut and burst through the hole.

Among the backs who Turner coached to prolific seasons in Denver was Clinton Portis, now with the Redskins. Two of the three best seasons of Portis's career came in his only two seasons in Denver -- 1,508 yards and a 5.5-yard per carry average as a rookie in 2002, and a career-high 1,591 yards and that same 5.5-yard average in 2003. He was traded to the Redskins the following offseason.

Turner's college coaching career included stops at Indiana State (1975-82), Fresno State (1983-88), Ohio State (1989-90) and Purdue (1991-94). Denver is, thus far, is his only professional coaching stop.

Turner's arrival, if in fact he accepts the offer, muddles the future of Sherman Smith, the offensive coordinator with the Redskins under Jim Zorn -- depending on Turner's ultimate responsibilities. Smith served as the running backs coach in Tennessee before Zorn lured him to Washington prior to the 2008 season, and his primary responsibility with the Redskins in Zorn's two seasons as head coach was to oversee the running game. The Redskins running backs coach under Zorn, Stump Mitchell, is leaving Washington to accept the head coaching position at Southern University.

"One thing you can't overlook about the success of the running backs with the Broncos is Bobby Turner," former Denver general manager Ted Sundquist said in an interview with The Washington Post prior to the 2008 season. "He's really, really good at what he does, and he has a knack for getting whatever he can out of the back that he has that year. He's a huge part of all that."

Because Turner was under contract with the Broncos, Denver was permitted to refuse the Redskins' initial request to speak with him. But in general, if a promotion is offered, teams acquiesce. Mitchell came to the Redskins when he was offered the title of assistant head coach-running backs.

Rick Dennison, another member of Shanahan's staff for his entire tenure in Denver, seemed like a likely candidate to become the Redskins' offensive line coach. But he is now interviewing for the offensive coordinator job in Houston, where he would work under former Shanahan assistant Gary Kubiak -- and where he would replace Shanahan's son, Kyle, who is following his father to Washington. Current Redskins offensive line coach Joe Bugel, 69, is expected to formalize his retirement this week.

By Barry Svrluga  |  January 11, 2010; 8:20 PM ET
Categories:  Mike Shanahan  
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Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Turner granted permission to interview

By Barry Svrluga | January 11, 2010; 8:20 PM ET

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Hey RI,

have ya heard?

The Redskins may interview Turner

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Now all they have to do is hire him and draft a few running backs no one has ever heard of...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Yeah..I think most of us heard this a couple of hrs ago. Its clear Reid gets his breaking news from RI posters, lol.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 11, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

IMO Clausen, Pike, and Bradford are upgrades over Campbell with Bradford being a legit injury risk and not worth the #4 overall pick.

To satisfy PA's need to submit opinions that really don't matter until we see what Shanny thinks of JC and what he decides to do here would be my plan:

Sign:

1 FS
2 Corners (let stonehands move on)
2 LBs
1 Tackle
1 Guard
1 Sage Rosenfels
1 RB (fast willie, chester taylor, lendale white)

Cut or do not resign:
Campbell (IMO its just time, he doesn't really want to be here and he's just not that good but if Shanny thinks different so be it)
CR22
Portis
Betts
Rock
ARE
Smoot
Collins

re-sign:
Heyer
Levi
Rocky
Gholston
Monte
LoAlex
Mason
Ganther

Draft:
#1 Okung
#2 Pike, McCoy, Tebow
#4 RB
#5 Guard
#7 WR

With the new LBs transition to a 3-4. Okung at LT, Dock, Rabach, signed vet, Levi or signed vet. Let the signed RB compete for the starting job with Alridge (already been signed to a "futures contract" meaning he'll be in camp), Mason, Ganther, and the drafted RB. Let Rosenfels, Colt, and the drafted QB battle for the starting job.

As Allen and Shanny have stated, having true competition at every position is the key to success, and IMO CP and JC promote controversy not competition. And while JC was a 1st rounder and it sucks to let him go for nothing but at the same time he's proven he is average, we can get the same production without the controversy of having JC around, IMO its clean break time. But as I've stated many times, I trust Shanny and Allen and I'm happy with whatever they decide and will wait at least 3 years before I complain about anything. Their resumes and experience IMO have earned that for them.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 11, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 11, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

let me be first.
rd 1 - OT
rd 2 - QB
rd 4 - OG/CNTR - FS
rd 5 - OG/CNTR - FS
rd 6 - OLB/RB
rd 7 - OLB/RB

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 11, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

fwiw, I do think Colt gets a real shot at the QB job with Shanahan. I think Shanahan will see some things in Colt that he likes.

Problem is Colt gets hurt and behind this OL, getting hurt is the easy part.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 11, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Now all they have to do is hire him and draft a few running backs no one has ever heard of...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2010 8:31 PM

Why waste draft picks when we've already got three on the roster that no one's heard of?

Posted by: League-Source | January 11, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2 - dang it u type faster than i do, for once i agree with most if not all you said. especially the part of 2 years rebuilding (and not for SB next year) and then evaluating in 2012.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 11, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Wow only 4 hours late from the initial report great job.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

what has Colt been doing? How has rehabbing been going? has he been working out putting on some muscle weight? if so then maybe not as at risk now. plus with some new help on Oline who knows? can he watch game film and see how game progresses without someone spelling it out in detail to him?

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 11, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Yeah..I think most of us heard this a couple of hrs ago. Its clear Reid gets his breaking news from RI posters, lol.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 11, 2010 8:33 PM

Check it out, ga -- post is by Barry Svrluga, not Reid. Reid's working on the big story about who will be the DC.

Posted by: League-Source | January 11, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Have you all been over to PFT to see LT's new video. It's so embarassing it's funny:

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

fwiw, I do think Colt gets a real shot at the QB job with Shanahan. I think Shanahan will see some things in Colt that he likes.

Problem is Colt gets hurt and behind this OL, getting hurt is the easy part.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 11, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking/hoping the injuries are behind him. He's had both hip labrums repaired, and some athletes have a little extra innate mobility in certain joints while others are fine.

I'm not sure how much he was around this season, but lets hope he took advantage of the time.

Agree he's worth a look. Quick release, elusive, good pocket sense, bad decisions but bad coaching.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 11, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what Cindy Boren is doing right about .. now?

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

It's okay cliftonbiz,

I'll jus wait another 20 minutes and obtain my last post for the day. I doubt you'll wait up.

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

SoCalSkinsFan
I'll see you that Hail Mary out of bounds in the last game and raise you an overthrown Screen Pass to a wide open back that landed on the fly in the 5th row at FedEX in the Giants game... The Refs had to reverse an intentional grounding call after conferring and realizing Jason is just a really bad QB and the throw into the stands was not intentional.

Its mystifying these Jason lovers that accept 51 career starts with only 4 divisional wins, and no come from behind rallies, EVER.

Gibbs had Jason for 2 years and retired.. Do you think Gibbs would of left a playoff team if Jason really was the star Gibbs thought he was after convincing Dan to trade away the 2005 draft for his rights? Jason was drowning in a 0-5 losing streak before Collins bailed him out. Gibbs left 2 months later.. Legacy intact.
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SoCalSkinsFan wrote:
Since this turned from a CP discussion to a JC discussion, my 2 cents. I was at the SD game and saw JC with all the time in the world throw a hail mary out of bounds. Who does that? Nuf said. How many times have you seen him rushed (no o-line duh)but had the easy slant and even miss that. He had his chance. Period. If you ain't got time to throw you best have fast feet, which he doesn't. We'd be better off with Colt for God's sake and mark my words; Shanny will give Colt every chance in the world to win the job. Shanny's running game and two killer tight ends...I'm just sayin'.

Posted by: SoCalSkinsFan | January 11, 2010 8:02 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 11, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what Cindy Boren is doing right about .. now?

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 8:54 PM

I heart Cindy.

This is a place to discuss more so than to get breaking news or inside info.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

what has Colt been doing? How has rehabbing been going?

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 11, 2010 8:43 PM

Colt is rehabbing? What drug was he hooked on crack?

Posted by: abxinc | January 11, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what Cindy Boren is doing right about .. now?

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 8:54 PM

I heart Cindy.

This is a place to discuss more so than to get breaking news or inside info.


Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2010 9:03 PM |

Yes, this is RI, we break the news for each other. The Mayor is merely a fascilitator.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

However a debt of gratitude is owed to Campbell.
If he had taken the Skins to 8-8 or better.. We'd still be stuck with the incompetent duo of Vinny and Zorn.
Thank you JC.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 11, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Colt is rehabbing? What drug was he hooked on crack?

Posted by: abxinc | January 11, 2010 9:06 PM |

To some of use older folks, rehabbing has an entirely different connotation. but thanks for trying?

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 11, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Colt is rehabbing? What drug was he hooked on crack?

Posted by: abxinc


`

I think he was hooked on frak.

Where's Curzon been?

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

If he had taken the Skins to 8-8 or better.. We'd still be stuck with the incompetent duo of Vinny and Zorn.
Thank you JC.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 11, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

If they were better than 8-8...nevermind.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 11, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

It appears Dan still has the Wash Post on his "media black out list".
ESPN seems to be getting early releases from Redskins Media..

++++++ +++++++ ++++++++


Wow only 4 hours late from the initial report great job.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2010 8:42 PM |

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 11, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Somebody said that they'd never seen Jake Locker in action.

Take a look here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GnN_bTYtq4

Locker, Ponder, Mallett will be the talk of 2011.

Thing is, will we take a quarterback now or then?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

curzon is prolly still in New Mexico, puffing the "fruits" of his harvest.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 11, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

"I wonder what Cindy Boren is doing right about .. now?"


She's taken my advice and decided to change the spelling of her name to Syndee Boering.

I told her it had a nice, porn starlet ring to it.

So she's at the driver's license office making the name change official.

The guy behind her in line?: Ochocinco.

According the jets' cornerback Darrelle Revis, Chad Johnson is changing his name from Ochocinco to "I Got Owned Saturday by Number 24".

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

From rotoworld


Bengals Defense: Bengals to retain Mike Zimmer?
Bengals Defense - TM - CIN - Jan. 11 - 3:35 pm et

Coach Marvin Lewis said Monday that he is "very confident" the Bengals will be able to retain defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer.
The Bengals will need to sign Zimmer, then; his current deal will expire in early March. If no agreement can be reached, Zimmer may land with the Redskins, with whom he's been linked since before Mike Shanahan's hiring. Jan. 11 - 3:35 pm et
Source: bengals.com

Posted by: TWISI | January 11, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

The whole "bring back JC for a year" is a barely concealed plea by people who love the guy to death. I get it.

Bring him back for what? Name a QB on the current roster or in FA that is going to do worse than 4-12 next year.

They need to clean house, and they made a great start by dumping Vinny, and goofball Zorn. Next, get rid of the stench of losers like Campbell, Clinton Portis, Carlos Rogers.

The only way a culture change is going to take effect is to purge the whiny, self-absorbed, excuse-for-every-day-of-the-week players.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 11, 2010 7:12 PM |

While I don't think that JC is whiny or self absorbed I don't believe he is the ling term answer for this team. We still need O line first though. It's the one thing I've been right on for 3 years now.

Also, could you add that waste Laron Landry to your list?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

I get it, but I don't get it. Let's see, you're going to cut CR22, LL, CP, JC, and you are going to play whom?

For CR22, you will play Tryon or KBarnes? For LL, you will play RDoughty, CHorton or KMoore. For CP, you play recovering LBetts, QGanther or MMason. For JC, you start TCollins or Colt.

I know you have 5 draft picks, but after #4 and #37, you are talking about someone who might add depth, but not be a starter. Get real. I know we can sign UFA's, and you might get a starter there. But you don't get rid of your best athletes, just because they lost this year. Put them in better schemes, coach them to tackle better. But don't release them, just because you were disappointed in their play this past year.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 11, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

BOBBY TURNER. SUPER BOWL 45.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 11, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Dammit I want all the hamsters to keep their pagers on so when some1 say beep beep. Y'all know i get last post aight


Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

According the jets' cornerback Darrelle Revis, Chad Johnson is changing his name from Ochocinco to "I Got Owned Saturday by Number 24".

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2010 9:18 PM

There would be a long line of guys that would need to change their name to that after going up against the NFL D POY.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

"Colt is rehabbing? What drug was he hooked on crack?"


No, Colt Brennen is not hooked on crack.

But the Cult O' Colt is hooked on his.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

MIKE ZIMMER = SUPER BOWL 45.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 11, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

COLT = SUPER BOWL 45.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 11, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

8-8 was 2008. And if they went 9-7?? I'd still want Vinny gone...
But, 4-12 required an exorcism.... Vinny went because he recommended Zorn.. Zorn went because he stuck with JC in 2009 without developing a more viable backup option. It trickled down and up.. and the organization got the much needed and overdue purge and subsequent rejuvenation of Shanahan. So "Thanks" all around...

This summer, if still a Skin, JC will have to actually compete for his job if Shanny brings in a Vet that can manage his system. Its going to be an interesting. Just glad its not going to be the same old Vinny crap drafts and excuses.

//////////////////////////////

If he had taken the Skins to 8-8 or better.. We'd still be stuck with the incompetent duo of Vinny and Zorn.
Thank you JC.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 11, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

If they were better than 8-8...nevermind.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 11, 2010 9:12 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 11, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

WTF? Re-sign Heyer? The same guy who got abused week in and week out? Could somebody explain the logic behind this?

Posted by: Istudydrugs | January 11, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 11, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

SAM BRADFORD = BROKEN IN ½ BY WEEK 2 OF THE PRESEASON AND 0-6 IN THE NFC EAST

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

The Baby Chia, a girl, was born on 01/09/10 @ 1:21pm.


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Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 11, 2010 9:26 PM |

and who is that Chia_Pettette

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 11, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

chi_pet

Congrats.

It's nice to be able to reproduce yourself in the form of children.

Like there's some other choice.....

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

fwiw -- when I wrote about the risks in the Skins finances, I was speculating. But its anecdotal stuff like decreased revenue of the Super Bowl ads that makes me think the Skins franchise is becoming financially vulnerable.

*************

The economic slump appears to have taken a toll on Super Bowl ads, pushing the price down for only the second time in the game's history, though they're still the most expensive on television.

While early readings suggest there are better deals this year over last, Pepsi won't advertise its drinks for the first time in 23 seasons, joining FedEx and GM, who dropped out last year. In their absence, newcomers and smaller companies have snatched up slots in advertising's biggest showcase.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 11, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

WTF? Re-sign Heyer? The same guy who got abused week in and week out? Could somebody explain the logic behind this?

Posted by: Istudydrugs | January 11, 2010 9:25 PM

Cheap back up OT.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

No cap on coaches salaries... If you want Zimmer, everyone go out and buy redskins merchandise.
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Coach Marvin Lewis said Monday that he is "very confident" the Bengals will be able to retain defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer.
The Bengals will need to sign Zimmer, then; his current deal will expire in early March. If no agreement can be reached, Zimmer may land with the Redskins, with whom he's been linked since before Mike Shanahan's hiring. Jan. 11 - 3:35 pm et
Source: bengals.com

Posted by: TWISI | January 11, 2010 9:19 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 11, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Check it out, ga -- post is by Barry Svrluga, not Reid. Reid's working on the big story about who will be the DC.

Posted by: League-Source | January 11, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Dang it. Just when I was ready to get my Reid bashing on. Thanks a lot.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 11, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

It's nice to be able to reproduce yourself in the form of children. -Posted by: MistaMoe


I can see baby Snidely Owl preparing his first blockbuster trade: Baby JC17 and a 3rd pick for Baby L.Torrance.

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Skin's future looking real bright.

Will they be the Skins in the future?

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Dang it. Just when I was ready to get my Reid bashing on. Thanks a lot.

Posted by: ga8085


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Don't worry. You'll have another opportunity after Da Mayor writes his 600th thread on the R. Rule.

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

All this speculation. I would look at helping to lower a team's cap, build youth, all the while not destroying the team's talent base. I would look to get rid of high priced older vets, who have made contributions, but are on the back end of their careers. So guys like Griff, Daniels, Thomas, Samuels, ARE, Smoot. Then I would look at older vets that will be just hanging on (1-2 productive years left) in the upcoming season Wynn, Betts, Cartwright, BMW, Collins, Yoder. Then I'd turn to the under-performing younger vets. Monty, Jackson, Rinehart. Then I'd make the hard decisions latter in the off-season on CP, JC. Everyone else would be coming to camp, competing for a job.

Posted by: TWISI | January 11, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

*Oy Vey*


I've been trying to score LAST post on the previous thread for the past hour.

Some are lurking for the same thing I'm searching.

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Ya know Moe,

What if Mother Earth swallows your children?

(think soccer terminology)(that's an indirect question)

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

THEWAYYOUSEEIT-

53-15 = 38
+5 via the draft if they bat .1000 = 42
+1-2 undrafted FAs = 43-44
+9-10 UFA all 29+ yrs old = 53 man roster.

I agree this is a terrible roster and needs to be purged but with only 5 picks and an older UFA pool it's going to be real tough to bring in more talent and get younger.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Chia_Pet |

Congrats Chia

Nothing like a sprout off the old, well, chia?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 11, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Congrats Chia!

Girls rule

(boys rule too, they don't deserve a droolz)

Lots of new Daddies on RI, Chia, Scamp, LH...I feel like an ole' Vet.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 11, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

4th, red, me see the same bull sh ti in JR's posts...about portis, snyder, zorn (pro)...btw i'll give anyone $100 (i'm not rich so basically i'm saying i'm willing to bet my life on it) if any team in this league hires zorn as their OC! EVER!

but red, c'mon man midgets and his wife...very funny but too personal. making fun of fatness woulda been too personal. but dang dude you went straight to his woman. not cool. you remind me in that commercial "too light, too hard!"...

Posted by: dealer1 | January 11, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

wait...LH had a baby?

Posted by: dealer1 | January 11, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

chia_pet

"The Baby Chia, a girl, was born on 01/09/10 @ 1:21pm."


I have three daughters, so I can tell you to think hard about what I'm about to say.

Whereas it would be nice to be the dad of sons who play the sports I love, it's better to be a father of girls who don't.

Why?

I spend tons of time explaining baseball, football, basketball, boxing, golf, horse racing, track and field, tennis, soccer, and hockey to daughters who, unlike sons, don't get why games are so important.

So it's real special when they sit down with me to watch what I love.

And that's when I love them the best.

Congrats, dude.

And on a dirty note: keep bangin'.

(INSERT nod, wink, and dap pound.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

4th, red, me see the same bull sh ti in JR's posts...about portis, snyder, zorn (pro)...btw i'll give anyone $100 (i'm not rich so basically i'm saying i'm willing to bet my life on it) if any team in this league hires zorn as their OC! EVER!

but red, c'mon man midgets and his wife...very funny but too personal. making fun of fatness woulda been too personal. but dang dude you went straight to his woman. not cool. you remind me in that commercial "too light, too hard!"...

Posted by: dealer1 | January 11, 2010 9:59 PM

You bet your life too soon, you are scrwed, read this:

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Report: Zorn, Gilbride may join Bears' staff
January, 11, 2010
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By Matt Mosley
Former Washington Redskins head coach Jim Zorn and New York Giants offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride are candidates to join the Chicago Bears' staff, according to CSNChicago.com. Gilbride's been the playcaller in a successful offense, so I can understand why he'd be considered. But I'd be shocked if Zorn landed as an offensive coordinator after having his play-calling duties stripped by the Redskins this season.

It seems more likely Zorn would surface as a quarterbacks coach. He's told people close to him that there are two jobs he is pursuing and that he doesn't plan to take a year off. The Redskins are on the hook to pay Zorn $2.4 million in 2010, so he's in a pretty good situation. Whatever he makes as an assistant in the league would offset what Dan Snyder owes him.

In other Redskins news, the current assistants will return to work Wednesday and probably start finding out about their futures.

Posted by: abxinc | January 11, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Skins v Jags (home team) in London.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

great hire

Posted by: chrislarry | January 11, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

I know what the peeps are thinking tonight,
As home through the shadows they wander.
Ev'ryone smiling in secret delight,
They stare at the site and ponder.
Whenever the wind blows this way,
You can almost hear ev'ryone say:

I wonder what the Cindy is doing tonight?
What merriment is the Cindy pursuing tonight?
The candles at the Post, they never burned as bright.
I wonder what the Cindy is up to tonight?
How goes the final hour
As she sees Redskins staff come to power
Being regally and legally prepared?
Well, I'll tell you what the Cindy is doing tonight:
She's blogging! She's blogging!

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 11, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

THEWAYYOUSEEIT-

53-15 = 38
+5 via the draft if they bat .1000 = 42
+1-2 undrafted FAs = 43-44
+9-10 UFA all 29+ yrs old = 53 man roster.

I agree this is a terrible roster and needs to be purged but with only 5 picks and an older UFA pool it's going to be real tough to bring in more talent and get younger.
Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2010 9:55 PM

The only issue would be on the DL. Which I admit is a big deal, so maybe they hold onto Monty (yuck) or Daniels (at least he'll provide some leadership). Some of the players I listed, were on IR and replacements are in house (Samuels - Jones, some didn't see time in the regular rotation and were #'s 50-53)Wynn, Jackson, Monty. Some have replacements in house (ARE - Mitchell. I think it's doable if you actually list out players by position. You are probably correct that BA and MS would take a less drastic route, but I had to put my .02 cents in.

Posted by: TWISI | January 11, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

noone-

Every Night She Walks
Right In My Dreams
Since I Read Her From The Start
I'm So Proud I Am The Only One
Who Is Special In Her Heart

Cindy Is Mine
The Doggone Girl Is Mine
I Know She's Mine
Because The Doggone Girl Is Mine

I Don't Understand The Way You Think
Saying That She's Yours Not Mine
Sending Roses And Your Silly little Posts
Really Just A Waste Of Time

Because Cindy is Mine
The Doggone RI editor girl is mine

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

good Camelot post noonefrom tampa.. Rodgers And Hammerstein are rolling in their collective placements....
However, the Cindy worship is a little creepy.
====================================


I know what the peeps are thinking tonight,
As home through the shadows they wander.
Ev'ryone smiling in secret delight,
They stare at the site and ponder.
Whenever the wind blows this way,
You can almost hear ev'ryone say:

I wonder what the Cindy is doing tonight?
What merriment is the Cindy pursuing tonight?
The candles at the Post, they never burned as bright.
I wonder what the Cindy is up to tonight?
How goes the final hour
As she sees Redskins staff come to power
Being regally and legally prepared?
Well, I'll tell you what the Cindy is doing tonight:
She's blogging! She's blogging!

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 11, 2010 10:17 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 11, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Ayo,

there is sum kit-kat n' yip-yappin ova on da previous thread.

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 11, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, though I think you're overlooking the fact that pickings were slim in terms of backups for Zorn to groom. Don't think JC got him fired, I think Zorn got Zorn fired.

Chia, congratulations!

Good start to staff assembly (Turner and Shanazam Jr, not mini-chi), still awaiting DC announcement with much anticipation.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 11, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

We got our man

Posted by: Boog21 | January 11, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Please no Bradford, maybe Pike or McCoy if they fall to the fourth round. How about David Carr? I do not think Carr is better than Campbell but I think it would behoove Jason to get out of DC for a change of scenery.

Posted by: m_p_holmes | January 11, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

My analysis of the last 7 minutes of every blog thread in 2009 proves that 60% of the time Vicc wins the "last"game every time.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 11, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Like Fubball.

It's not how ya start but how ya, sing it 'LongBalls

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

An offer accepted or an offer refused?

No odds given on this as Dan will gladly give Shanny whoever or whatever he wants.

I'll go ahead and welcome him to the staff and say that this is a great HIRE.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 11, 2010 10:51 PM

He's a dirty pirate hooker.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

They just took it so personal, but quite honestly I'll be committed to that LAST word once every half Blue-Moon.

Posted by: Vicc | January 11, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

what a two week difference at Redskins Park..
Excluding Buges, two weeks ago Redskins Park was the home of exceptionally inexperienced coaches obfuscating, from the owner, a really bad football team..
Now Redskins Park is moving in the direction of becoming the equivalent of a cream de la creme Dream team of Coaches.

The players that are legit are psyched..

And the players that are frauds are getting nervous..

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 11, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm guessing I can't say who*re, that's why it got held? who-ore? Huuuuah?

Fine.

Why don't you post last from your home on wh*re island?! Night all.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 11, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Mongo like candy

Mongo also like Cindy

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 11, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

LMFAO!^^^

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 11, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

In a recent article in Playboy Kyle Orton talked about the one that got away.

That one was Cindy.

His beard had no comment, not wanting to show up his place of residence.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

And as the cold crept across the land
It's icy fingers caress delicate upon trembling skin
The orb turned away from the sun. Once again
And in our ear it whispered its cold and throaty prose
Never to be forgotten...
Never to be forgotten...
"I shall journey this way but so many times
To wash away the fail and renew the hope...and then no more. Seize upon this day, for they are numbered."

And was gone like night at dawn.


Posted by: edvar | January 12, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Hah!! I love the 'offered the guy a promotion' thing.

You want to be associate HC running backs instead of running backs coach? Add a title and the guy comes over. Silly games.

Of course, I can imagine the interview.

Shanahan: I've coached with you for 15 years, would you like to join me in DC?
Turner: What's my salary and do I get a fancy title?
Shanahan: Well Danny's paying me $7mil a year, so yeah, big raise ... and I'll throw in a fancy title.
Turner: Done

If Turner is a good coach, glad we got him.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 12, 2010 1:56 AM | Report abuse

Frank you all very much.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 12, 2010 2:01 AM | Report abuse

O lineman the skins should look at in Free Agency? Titan's Eugene Amano. 27, quick feet, good at getting to the second level, just blocked for a 2,000 yard rusher and can play either Center or Guard.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/players/scouting?playerId=5764

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1001/nfl.possible.free.agents/content.15.

Posted by: mmeixler | January 12, 2010 3:41 AM | Report abuse

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1001/nfl.possible.free.agents/content.15.html

Or if that link still doesn't work, go to si.com and look at their gallery of potential free agents. Amano is number 15.

Posted by: mmeixler | January 12, 2010 3:44 AM | Report abuse

Hah!! I love the 'offered the guy a promotion' thing.

You want to be associate HC running backs instead of running backs coach? Add a title and the guy comes over. Silly games.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 12, 2010 1:56 AM

Silly games? Lemme splain it to you, salary wise:

running backs coach: $350,000 per year
associate HC running backs: $750,000 per year

Guy couldn't be reached for comment by the Post because he was out test driving his new Porsche -- and trading in his Bronco.

Posted by: League-Source | January 12, 2010 5:55 AM | Report abuse

great news this guy could probably get Beantown Greg to rush for a 1000.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2010 6:14 AM | Report abuse

great news this guy could probably get Beantown Greg to rush for a 1000.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2010 6:14 AM

Yards or bonus points?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2010 6:35 AM | Report abuse

(.)(.)


V

Posted by: melovejen | January 12, 2010 6:42 AM | Report abuse

I don't know how much a running backs coach helps out our team. If we got good backs, we got good backs. If we don't, we don't. Bobby Turner isn't gonna give Rock, Ladell or Clinton break away speed. We need speed guys. Chris Johnson type guys. I am hoping for a complete overhaul at the postion, so no more CP, LB, or RC.

Posted by: FedorEm | January 12, 2010 6:44 AM | Report abuse

Yards or bonus points?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2010 6:35 AM |

Greg doesn't need anymore bonus points I believe he still is the RI leader.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2010 6:46 AM | Report abuse

I don't know how much a running backs coach helps out our team. If we got good backs, we got good backs. If we don't, we don't. Bobby Turner isn't gonna give Rock, Ladell or Clinton break away speed. We need speed guys. Chris Johnson type guys. I am hoping for a complete overhaul at the postion, so no more CP, LB, or RC.

Posted by: FedorEm | January 12, 2010 6:44 AM |

Really Turner got a bunch of no name guys in Denver to run for over a 1000 yards every year.

I'm sure they will find a RB with the speed you are looking for.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2010 6:57 AM | Report abuse

I don't know how much a running backs coach helps out our team. If we got good backs, we got good backs. If we don't, we don't. Bobby Turner isn't gonna give Rock, Ladell or Clinton break away speed. We need speed guys. Chris Johnson type guys. I am hoping for a complete overhaul at the postion, so no more CP, LB, or RC.

Posted by: FedorEm | January 12, 2010 6:44 AM


This ain't Madden...you can't just go create Chris Johnson types if you need some speed at RB. But what a good position coach CAN do for you is take less heralded players (late round picks/undrafted slappies) and make them serviceable players, maybe even Pro-Bowlers. Denver had a long history of taking guys you never heard of before (or since) and making them very productive players. If you can bring that here and make (for example) Rock or Alridge or Mason into 1,000 yard rushers in 2010 instead of having to blow a 2nd rounder on it, you do it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2010 7:01 AM | Report abuse

OK, OK you made your points. I'm just saying if you are born with natural talent that helps. C. Johnson is naturally more talented then any RB we have. If this new coach knows how to get more out of less, fine, but I still wish we had a RB like Johnson or Williams in Carolina.

Posted by: FedorEm | January 12, 2010 7:25 AM | Report abuse

I hear you FedorEm, but I personally don't care HOW you give me 1,200 yards and 10 TDs as long as you give me 1,200 yards and 10 TDs. If Turner can get that out of guys we have here, I say bring him aboard since it'll be cheaper to get him than it would be to, say, trade for one of the stud backs in Carolina.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Maybe I live in a dream world, but at 63, I feel it is time to speak out. Before we jump on an unproven injury prone QB in the draft, lets consider working with Chicago to pick up Cutler, a proven winner under Shanahan and not so great in Chicago. It may be the right time since Chicago has dealt away many draft choices and has no pick until number 11 in Round 3. They could find a decent round one QB in several available or even a deal with Campbell in the mix. I mentioned this in blogs in the past at a Chicago Site when Shanahan was suggested as a possible head coach candidate and I feel confident that with him and a boost in the offensive line with the new coaches in place could result in the future being now! Remember, competition for a spot at every level is a healthy situation that Shanahan feels strong on and there are several good opportunities with free agency in the OL and if the cap is lifted, it just leads to a fantastic potential to rebuild by addition right now. We do have some other interesting trades that can be made as well.

This may be the right time with Chicago not sold on Cutler as their cure.

Posted by: Sarducci | January 12, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

This may be the right time with Chicago not sold on Cutler as their cure.

Posted by: Sarducci | January 12, 2010 7:56 AM |

No thanks!!!!!!

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Chicago gave up too much to rid themselves of Cutler a year after acquiring him via trade. I could be wrong, but I think that Chicago also gave him a new deal.

Cutler had a good four games down the stretch also.

He isn't going anywhere.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 12, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Maybe I live in a dream world, but at 63, I feel it is time to speak out. Before we jump on an unproven injury prone QB in the draft, lets consider working with Chicago to pick up Cutler, a proven winner under Shanahan and not so great in Chicago. It may be the right time since Chicago has dealt away many draft choices and has no pick until number 11 in Round 3. They could find a decent round one QB in several available or even a deal with Campbell in the mix. I mentioned this in blogs in the past at a Chicago Site when Shanahan was suggested as a possible head coach candidate and I feel confident that with him and a boost in the offensive line with the new coaches in place could result in the future being now! Remember, competition for a spot at every level is a healthy situation that Shanahan feels strong on and there are several good opportunities with free agency in the OL and if the cap is lifted, it just leads to a fantastic potential to rebuild by addition right now. We do have some other interesting trades that can be made as well.

This may be the right time with Chicago not sold on Cutler as their cure.

Posted by: Sarducci | January 12, 2010 7:56 AM |

I don't agree with this at all. First of all, we would have to give up way too much for him. Chicago got raped and wouldn't trade him away lightly. It would be like throwing away a bunch of picks for him. Not likely.

Second, Cutler has not played well and takes way too many chances. If we were going to give so much away for a mediocre QB (and he hasn't shown to be any more than that this year) we might as well draft one in the first (which I am dead set against also.)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 12, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Cutler had a good four games down the stretch also.

He isn't going anywhere.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 12, 2010 8:13 AM |

The Ravens game wasn't a bright and shiny spot for the Bears.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 12, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Cutler can keep his 26 picks and stay in the windy city. I think he will be good one day, but we can not afford to give away any of our own picks.

Posted by: FedorEm | January 12, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Interesting take from PFT:

Cowboys victory means win for 'Skins
Posted by Mike Florio on January 12, 2010 7:59 AM ET
In less than two months, and barring an unlikely agreement between the NFL and the players union on a new CBA, the salary cap will disappear.

Since the salary floor also will evaporate, it's believed that more teams will spend less, not more, in 2010.

The exceptions are expected to be the Cowboys and the Redskins, teams many believe will launch a Red Sox-Yankees-style spending spree in the hopes of buying the Super Bowl that will be played in, of all places, Dallas.

But with the Cowboys winning a postseason game for the first time since 1996, they now fall within the "Final Eight Plan," a measure aimed at ensuring competitive balance in an environment with no spending limits.

Under Article XXI, Section 3 of the CBA, the Cowboys, Cardinals, Vikings, Saints, Jets, Ravens, Chargers, and Colts will be limited in their ability to sign unrestricted free agents in 2010.

First, the Final Eight teams may sign any unrestricted free agent who obtained that status by being released and clearing waivers.

Second, the Final Eight teams may sign any unrestricted free agent who was under contract with that team at the conclusion of the 2009 league year.

Third, one unrestricted free agent may be signed for each unrestricted free agent that a Final Eight team loses, but only at the same first-year salary the departed player receives elsewhere, with limitations on future growth of the deal.

Fourth, the Final Eight teams may sign one unrestricted free agent at a first-year salary of $4.925 million (plus the annual percentage increases in total football revenue since 2006), and an unlimited number unrestricted free agents at a first-year salary of $3.275 million (plus the percentage increases of total football revenue since 2006), with limitations on future growth of the deal.

The teams that win this weekend will be further limited, with the fourth option explained above disappearing.

So, basically, Redskins fans should be rooting for the Cowboys to win this weekend, and then to be "blowed out" in the NFC title game.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

may does not equal certainty. actually i found the report of zorn possibly being an OC absurd. thus i bet my life that there aint nobody as dumb as cerrato out there that would hire zorny as an oc (in the nfl).

Posted by: dealer1 | January 12, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Is someone so delusional, that they really think there is a chance of trading for Cutler....I mean, is that serious?

Flound, thanks, I fully believe that if I got myself in shape, I'd be good for at least 1,300 yards....give or take...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 12, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Check that, make that the last three of four games of the season.

You're right, scamp. Cutler had a 7.6 rating in that Ravens game.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 12, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Sarducci, you and all the other Cutler fans out there can keep him. He's easily one of the most overrated players in the NFL. The same people who call JC a "loser" need to look at Cutler's W/L record...coming into '09, he and JC had an almost identical W/L record. Keep JC, draft OL, get better at the point of attack. Anything else is bullsh*t.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Jay Cutler, Kyle Orton. All these guys present the same challenges to the Skins as JC. They are all trying to find their place in the NFL. Not one is an elite QB. They all have warts. Let's draft someone (Skelton) and develop their game. There is no quick fix answer this off-season at the QB position, unless some manna falls from heaven.

Posted by: TWISI | January 12, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

--BEGIN BLOG BIRTH ANNOUNCEMENT--

Chia Pet, for the first time in history, has successfully reproduced.

The Baby Chia, a girl, was born on 01/09/10 @ 1:21pm.

--END BLOG BIRTH ANNOUNCEMENT--

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 11, 2010 9:26 PM
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Congrats Chia. Let's hope this is the first of dozens.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 12, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

I don't know how much a running backs coach helps out our team. If we got good backs, we got good backs. If we don't, we don't. Bobby Turner isn't gonna give Rock, Ladell or Clinton break away speed. We need speed guys. Chris Johnson type guys. I am hoping for a complete overhaul at the postion, so no more CP, LB, or RC.

Posted by: FedorEm | January 12, 2010 6:44 AM
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Anthony Alridge has that type of speed but cannot hang onto the ball. If they can correct that, and maybe hang a little more meat on his bones, they might have a great change of pace back. I cannot see the team bringing back Cartwright, Betts or Mason. You can trust to the fact that Shanny and crew will bring in a few backs - either drafted in the lower rounds, or signed as free agents - that will leave you wondering how they escaped everyone else's attention.

I think the key to an awesome running attack is the offensive line, and how quickly they can convert to a zone blocking line. They have a lot of work to do on that front and I would be perfectly happy if they spent the top three picks on offensive linemen. They also need to snag this guard out of Denver. Get two tackles out of the draft, keep Dockery and resign Rabach. It won't be a perfect zone blocking line, but it will be workable.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 12, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Is someone so delusional, that they really think there is a chance of trading for Cutler....I mean, is that serious?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 12, 2010 8:25 AM

Welcome to the blog, first time poster! Yes, that is serious. This is Redskin Insider where we've elevated "delusion" from handicap to lifestyle.

Stick around a while and enjoy one of our periodic debates over Antonio Pierce, LaVar Arrington, or whether Steve Spurrier ruined Patrick Ramsey. Maybe a newbie like yourself could add some fresh insights to these topics?

Posted by: League-Source | January 12, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Good thought, RedSkinHead. And one thing I think we could be overlooking is that we should be able to get good OL help in the later rounds of the draft as well. The zone blocking scheme calls for smaller, quicker lineman and since those guys aren't exactly the prototype, you can get some pretty good ones later in the draft. Hopefully they get no less than 2 serviceable guys who have a chance to start on the O-line and pick up a sleeper or two in free agency.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

I think the key to an awesome running attack is the offensive line, and how quickly they can convert to a zone blocking line. They have a lot of work to do on that front and I would be perfectly happy if they spent the top three picks on offensive linemen. They also need to snag this guard out of Denver. Get two tackles out of the draft, keep Dockery and resign Rabach. It won't be a perfect zone blocking line, but it will be workable.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 12, 2010 8:43 AM |

Uh, they've been running zone blocking schemes. Thanks for playing.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 12, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

We need speed guys. Chris Johnson type guys. I am hoping for a complete overhaul at the postion, so no more CP, LB, or RC.

Posted by: FedorEm | January 12, 2010 6:44 AM

We also need Peyton Manning type guys at QB, Jerry Rice type guys at WR and Anthony Munoz type guys on the OL...cuz, you know, they grow on trees.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 12, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Jake Locker,
After watching the URL someone posted I have some questions about his footwork, brings his feet too close together when stopping on the drop back. Saw a lot of shotgun in that highlight reel, which is a negative for me, any QB should be good out of shotgun in college.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 12, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

If you can bring that here and make (for example) Rock or Alridge or Mason into 1,000 yard rushers in 2010 instead of having to blow a 2nd rounder on it, you do it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2010 7:01 AM |

This is a good way to think about it, brownwood. Getting Turner on our staff is like turn(er)ing a fifth round pick into a second round pick: priceless.

Posted by: League-Source | January 12, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if we're talking to Zimmer right now. There's been no word about an interview, or a Bengals decline of interview. Anything could be happening. I'm so impatient.

Posted by: REXskins | January 12, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

There's been no word about an interview, or a Bengals decline of interview. Anything could be happening. I'm so impatient.

Posted by: REXskins | January 12, 2010 9:05 AM

I thought the story was that Zimmer's contract is up (like Shanahan the Younger) so the Bengals have no say over where he can interview.

Posted by: League-Source | January 12, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

So it looks like pretty much none of the assistant coaches are staying? What about Olividatti (sp?) ? Wasn't Shanny meeting with everyone yesterday?

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 12, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

The things I wonder about the running game now, and if someone know this please tell. Does Turner work with any mold of RB or does he have the ability to take a range of types of backs and work them in?

I ask because I have long been a proponent of going to a Thunder and Lightning approach, (or Thunder Lightning Hail) but if Turner works better with having all his RB's do the same thing then I will change what I am a proponent of.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 12, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

So it looks like pretty much none of the assistant coaches are staying? What about Olividatti (sp?) ? Wasn't Shanny meeting with everyone yesterday?

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 12, 2010 9:08 AM |

Maybe if there was a site to get inside information on the Skins we would know some of this.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

I think Shanny probably has been meeting them quietly already. No need to embarrass men while going around and firing them.

Any word on if Buges is retiring?

Posted by: alex35332 | January 12, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

So it looks like pretty much none of the assistant coaches are staying? What about Olividatti (sp?) ? Wasn't Shanny meeting with everyone yesterday?

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 12, 2010 9:08 AM

Rypien -- Let's hope that none of them are staying. But it's too early for your conclusion. This is what the WaPo printed last Friday:

"Formal interviews for any position on the Redskins staff likely won't take place until next week. Shanahan left the office Thursday afternoon and headed back to Denver, where he owns a steakhouse, Shanahan's, that hosted a private party Thursday night. He told the current Redskins coaches to take the weekend off and be prepared to return to work early Monday morning. Current staff members believe their interviews will be concluded by Tuesday evening, and that Shanahan and General Manager Bruce Allen could truly begin assembling their staff by Wednesday. "

Posted by: League-Source | January 12, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

I thought the story was that Zimmer's contract is up (like Shanahan the Younger) so the Bengals have no say over where he can interview.

Posted by: League-Source
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I think the deal is that Zimmer is technically under contract until March, and in Cinci they're short staffed so they retain their assistants for help with draft preparation.

So he's still working there, and it's still up to the Bengals if they want to let him interview or not (if my info is correct)

Posted by: REXskins | January 12, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Maybe if there was a site to get inside information on the Skins we would know some of this.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2010 9:13 AM

Yeah, blah, blah, blah. Maybe if you remembered what was printed last Friday you would know some of this?

Posted by: League-Source | January 12, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

A few years ago, probably as recent as 2005, Randy Thomas would've been perfect for Shanahan's zone blocking scheme. I remember those last few games of that season him, Sellers, and Chris Samuels being straight beast opening holes and running lanes for Portis.

Those were the days, man.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 12, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

So he's still working there, and it's still up to the Bengals if they want to let him interview or not (if my info is correct)

Posted by: REXskins | January 12, 2010 9:18 AM

Well, I haven't read the contract, but I really doubt the Bengals can prevent him from interviewing for a job that would start AFTER his contract is up. They can prevent him from leaving before the contract is up, but it's hard to imagine a contract that says "you can't talk about your next job while we're paying you."

Posted by: League-Source | January 12, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, blah, blah, blah. Maybe if you remembered what was printed last Friday you would know some of this?

Posted by: League-Source | January 12, 2010 9:22 AM |

League,

Give me a break JR copies all his information from other sites after the fact, hell we put up the stories on here before he has them.

Don't act like they are getting the juicy inside stuff, not that I care but it would be nice to get information from here instead of searching the web.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

but it's hard to imagine a contract that says "you can't talk about your next job while we're paying you."

Posted by: League-Source
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It certainly happens in the real world, not sure about the football world.

Posted by: REXskins | January 12, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

I don't think anyone can argue about Shanahan's approach to the running game in selecting Turner as a RB coach. He is a proven developer and as such, should bring some new food to the table. Denver has done it repeatedly. Of course the OL is extremely important, but with his one step and burst philosophy, a line doesn't have to hold a defense all day. Portis had 1500 plus yards in both of his years with Turner and was a 51st draft pick. Not too bad. Terrel Davis was a 6th round pick and the 21st RB selected in the draft. Olandis Gary, 4th rounder 127th overall, just to mention a few. I think Turner does a great job in developing under rated RB's, has a keen eye for talent, and can work with their varied personalities and issues to help them become the best that they can be and with a couple of strong additions to the offensive line, even JC will have an opportunity to develop into a strong QB with the right coaching and the balanced offensive attack. Turner would be a great addition to the staff and I am very excited about the Redskin's future.

Posted by: Sarducci | January 12, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

You bamas suck today.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 12, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Uh, they've been running zone blocking schemes. Thanks for playing.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 12, 2010 8:49 AM
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Duh, maybe I should have said "effective" zone blocking and not three yards and you're out of wind. Thanks for sucking, butt-wipe.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 12, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Sarducci agreed on the possibility of Turner joining the staff, and the Skins future. I'm curious to find out about the OL coach, and the DC.

Posted by: TWISI | January 12, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

League,

Give me a break JR copies all his information from other sites after the fact, hell we put up the stories on here before he has them.

Don't act like they are getting the juicy inside stuff, not that I care but it would be nice to get information from here instead of searching the web.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2010 9:36 AM

Flounder--

Stop being such a whiner. He printed the stuff in the paper last Friday. I don't think anyone up here posted it before he printed it. Now it's Tuesday, you don't remember it and you're blaming him for not printing inside information.

Just say, "Whoops, I got that one wrong." Plenty of other times for you to be right -- this just isn't one of them.

Posted by: League-Source | January 12, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

It certainly happens in the real world, not sure about the football world.

Posted by: REXskins | January 12, 2010 9:36 AM

In the real world, they have non-compete clauses in contracts. Hardly something that you could have in the NFL. "You can't coach for another team that plays us for six year."

Posted by: League-Source | January 12, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

You bamas suck today.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 12, 2010 9:44 AM


This is an example of the pot calling the kettle red.

Posted by: League-Source | January 12, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Maybe I live in a dream world, but at 63, I feel it is time to speak out. Before we jump on an unproven injury prone QB in the draft, lets consider working with Chicago to pick up Cutler, a proven winner under Shanahan and not so great in Chicago. It may be the right time since Chicago has dealt away many draft choices and has no pick until number 11 in Round 3. They could find a decent round one QB in several available or even a deal with Campbell in the mix. I mentioned this in blogs in the past at a Chicago Site when Shanahan was suggested as a possible head coach candidate and I feel confident that with him and a boost in the offensive line with the new coaches in place could result in the future being now! Remember, competition for a spot at every level is a healthy situation that Shanahan feels strong on and there are several good opportunities with free agency in the OL and if the cap is lifted, it just leads to a fantastic potential to rebuild by addition right now. We do have some other interesting trades that can be made as well.

This may be the right time with Chicago not sold on Cutler as their cure.

Posted by: Sarducci

Surely you jest! The day Cutler becomes a Redskin is the day I walk away from the team.

He's a whiny, spoiled brat and Jason Campbell stands WORLDS above him.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 12, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

dealer1,

GMs negotiating for or with a potential new Head Coach are using Zorn (and his 2009 relative low salary) to drive down the Head Coach market price. Thus, you'll see Zorn's name mentioned in every new Head coach search discussion.
Interesting turn of events given how pissed the owners were at Snyder in 2004-05 for overpaying Gibbs and pushing up the uncapped Head Coach market price.
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may does not equal certainty. actually i found the report of zorn possibly being an OC absurd. thus i bet my life that there aint nobody as dumb as cerrato out there that would hire zorny as an oc (in the nfl).

Posted by: dealer1 | January 12, 2010 8:24 AM |

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 12, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

RexSkins, LS:

Zimmer is a pretty hot commodity right now, so if he's smart he's weighing all options. Besides the Skins and Bengals, the thinking is the Dolphins just canned their DC in hopes of landing Zimmer as well.

Let's hope Danny's wallet makes Zimmer an offer he can't refuse.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if Marvin's comments about Zimmer are just posturing, or if there's really something to it.

Posted by: REXskins | January 12, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

"...You bamas suck today..."


That's because no one has shirfted the conversation to off season mode.

Until there is concrete news, the chatta has to be free and irrelevant, you know: rap, movies, rock, the best booty, skrippers, etc.

Otherwise, it's a daily confab of JC-haters, draft postings, Cult O' Colt luv, and CP not practicing analysis

So I'll take it there: to be bald or not to be.

I'm thinking about shaving the old dome as, at 45, my air is doing the 'reverse fade.'

You know: thin on the top and not on the sides.

I haven't been to a barber in 18 months (no fooling).

mrsmoe says I'll look like a bald Dennis Haysbert, the Allstate Insurance guy.

I guess she knows because she's been in his good hands.

Where's that razor and foam....

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

JR is unfairly hamstrung due to negative WAPO write ups by his colleagues.. Redskins media / PR has the right to select who gets the feeds first.
And unfortunately JR and othes who make their living at Redskins Drive, Ashburn, VA...have to suffer when a WAPO columnist (who doesnt depend on the same) rightfully criticizes Snyder et al..
I am sure there has been many a meeting at WAPO sports Dept about this.
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League,

Give me a break JR copies all his information from other sites after the fact, hell we put up the stories on here before he has them.

Don't act like they are getting the juicy inside stuff, not that I care but it would be nice to get information from here instead of searching the web.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2010 9:36 AM

Flounder--

Stop being such a whiner. He printed the stuff in the paper last Friday. I don't think anyone up here posted it before he printed it. Now it's Tuesday, you don't remember it and you're blaming him for not printing inside information.

Just say, "Whoops, I got that one wrong." Plenty of other times for you to be right -- this just isn't one of them.

Posted by: League-Source | January 12, 2010 9:46 AM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 12, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: TheCindy | January 12, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

beeps...Slow day at the park

Posted by: TWISI | January 12, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

RexSkins, LS:

Zimmer is a pretty hot commodity right now, so if he's smart he's weighing all options. Besides the Skins and Bengals, the thinking is the Dolphins just canned their DC in hopes of landing Zimmer as well.

Let's hope Danny's wallet makes Zimmer an offer he can't refuse.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2010 9:52 AM
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Truthfully, I think Snyder is always the high bidder. To some coaches, it isn't just about the money and that is why they balk. Dan Snyder is a lot of things, but when it comes to paying coaches and players, he spends money like Paris Hilton with a new credit card.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 12, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

WTF? Re-sign Heyer? The same guy who got abused week in and week out? Could somebody explain the logic behind this?

Posted by: Istudydrugs | January 11, 2010 9:25 PM

Cheap back up OT.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse
Exactly. You don't cut the best ones you have until you have "coached up" better replacements. It would be very nice if we had Heyer and Jones as back-up OT's.

Also, a lot of Heyer's issues occured when he had bad wheels, I think it was an ankle sprain.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 12, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Dolphins just canned their DC in hopes of landing Zimmer as well.

Let's hope Danny's wallet makes Zimmer an offer he can't refuse.

Posted by: brownwood26

Let's see, South Beach, or DC? Really, you have to ask, really?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 12, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

All this speculation. I would look at helping to lower a team's cap, build youth, all the while not destroying the team's talent base. I would look to get rid of high priced older vets, who have made contributions, but are on the back end of their careers. So guys like Griff, Daniels, Thomas, Samuels, ARE, Smoot. Then I would look at older vets that will be just hanging on (1-2 productive years left) in the upcoming season Wynn, Betts, Cartwright, BMW, Collins, Yoder. Then I'd turn to the under-performing younger vets. Monty, Jackson, Rinehart. Then I'd make the hard decisions latter in the off-season on CP, JC. Everyone else would be coming to camp, competing for a job.

Posted by: TWISI | January 11, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

I like your approach. I'm not sure about some of the younger ones. I think I would keep some of them on the 80 man roster, until I see someone else who can take their place, especially linemen. BMW just turned 29, Rinehart and Jackson are still only 24. I think they need to be retained for depth at this point.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 12, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Zimmer runs a 4-3 not a 3-4 in miami that parcells runs. two completely different animals and not to mention different personel required. we're built for a 4-3. Zimmer is not going to miami.

Posted by: sthai75 | January 12, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Zimmer runs a 4-3 not a 3-4 in miami that parcells runs. two completely different animals and not to mention different personel required. we're built for a 4-3. Zimmer is not going to miami.

Posted by: sthai75 | January 12, 2010 10:21 AM


Yeah, but Zimmer ran a 3-4 when he was with Parcells in Dallas. It's that connection that has some people speculating he's going to Miami.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Zimmer has the credentials but I agree that Miami does have the inside track on him. Four of the seven years he spent in Dallas was with Parcells and the 3-4 defense, although he seems to do much better with the 4-3 moving the 27th overall defense of 2007 to 4th in just 2 years. I think when he left Dallas, they were 13th in overall defense using the 3-4 and this year Dallas finished at 9th, just ahead of Washington's 4-3. Much depends on the key personnel. Dallas does a good job with it as long as players such as Ware are healthy. Their skid came when Ware was off the field. Not as easy to replace key players in the 3-4. Without the key players I think Miami finished about 22nd. Zimmer seems to be more proficient in the 4-3 and why he would be a good match with the Skins, today.

Posted by: Sarducci | January 12, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

parcells and shanny have a lot of respect for zimmer. mmmmmmmmmm we need to get this guy. If shanny wants him Dan will make it happen. JC17 has peeked as far as his upside is concerned. Shanny knows that, who do you think was behind Vinny and Danny trying to get Cutler from Denver. As for portis same boat with Campbell both are going to be let go. When shanny says he needs to look at the tape on you... he already has and you are already out the door. What's the bio on Clausen? I don't follow college, he seems to be the #1 QB in most mocks.

Posted by: sthai75 | January 12, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Of this class of 2010 and 2011 draft declared QB's, I would put my money on Clouser as well. He has had the coaching and is probably the most developed as a pure passer bringing the fewest health issues to the table of the elite available.

Posted by: Sarducci | January 12, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Is he more an ACCURATE passer or more of the gun slinger rifle arm? Very rarely you get both. It's not the popular pick, and I am all about winning NFL games in the trenches, I'm for getting this started asap with the best QB available IN this draft. Give shanny the QB of the FUTURE NOW rather than later. I repeat if the #1 QB should happen to fall to us with the 4th pick. We need to go for him. So he can sit for a year behind another lack luster performance by JC17. Did you know that had GB not picked Aaron Rodgers right before JC17 in 2005 WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN HIM!!!!!WHY FOOTBALL GODS WHY???!?!?

Posted by: sthai75 | January 12, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

With the Rams having the first selection and in need of a QB as well, he might not be available. But if he is, Clausen was 289 for 425 passing for 3,722 yards and 28 touchdowns this year with four interceptions and averaged 310 yards per game passing. But he did have a core of receivers that were better than average and a good offensive line that gave him the opportunity. In the NFL, it would be quite different. He would need a strong running game to support him, but his accuracy and decision making is top tier at the collegiate level and where he is different than JC. Having had Charlie Weis as his coach the past few years is certainly a plus. Charlie's downfall was his inability to create the defense to compliment his offense in my opinion. That being said, I personally feel that if Clausen is available, he would definitively be the type of competition that Shanahan would like to see JC have if he is kept as a starter, allowing some time for whoever the QB of the future is to develop. Only my opinion, but as a Notre Dame fan as well, I did watch him as much as possible and I do feel he has the ability, in the right surroundings to be an elite QB in the NFL.

Posted by: Sarducci | January 12, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Dennison goes to the Texans as OC. That should free up Line Coach Alex Gibbs. He is the guy we really want. He was the man in Denver, not Dennison.

Posted by: donsilvester | January 12, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

sage rosenfelds and brennan as QB's..If shanahan keeps these 2 as qb snyder should fire him immediately. I am not sure even zorn would consider that pair(maybe he would they look similar to him weak,pale,no,arm limited athletic ability can't take a hit) washington does not even need any of the projected 1st round qb picks this year if any of them develope into anything it will take 2-3yrs. draft down and get more picks if a qb is picked try round 3-5, build a offensive line, keep cutler in denver he throws off his back foot too much and the results are interceptions also throws into a lot of coverage and seems to be a "me person and chicago would want alot of draft picks for him. aaron rodgers in the cardinal game over-threw 2 wide open receivers for potential touchdowns in the game I have heard much talk about how great he played but no talk about the 2 wide open over throws, could it be it is because he is a white" QB?..naw it cannot be that this is america" the land of the free and the home of the brave

Posted by: wathu19 | January 12, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Is he more an ACCURATE passer or more of the gun slinger rifle arm? Very rarely you get both. It's not the popular pick, and I am all about winning NFL games in the trenches, I'm for getting this started asap with the best QB available IN this draft. Give shanny the QB of the FUTURE NOW rather than later. I repeat if the #1 QB should happen to fall to us with the 4th pick. We need to go for him. So he can sit for a year behind another lack luster performance by JC17. Did you know that had GB not picked Aaron Rodgers right before JC17 in 2005 WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN HIM!!!!!WHY FOOTBALL GODS WHY???!?!?

Posted by: sthai75

Well, if we're talking about "what if's" then what the heck was Snyder doing the day Drew Brees left San Diego. OMG, can you imagine him in burgandy and gold? Hey, Tom Brady's contract is up after next season...

Posted by: SoCalSkinsFan | January 12, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

IMO this is the way the Redskins should draft
RD1-O-lineman
RD2-O-lineman
RD4-O-lineman
RD5-O-lineman
RD7-O-lineman
I dont think that we have a 6th RD pick because of the Jason Taylor trade! That was brutal!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | January 12, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

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