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Redskins' tryouts, rookies put in long days at Shanahan's minicamp


There's nothing easy about these minicamp practices -- especially for rookies. The team has nearly three dozen rookies in camp, and on both Friday and Saturday that group had to report to Redskins Park by 6 a.m. That's because Mike Shanahan scheduled early-bird workouts with the rookies, and they were all expected to participate in the morning workouts from 6:15-7 a.m., and then again later in the day for the practice session with the full squad.

The extra practice is a chance to get the rookies already under contract more familiar with what's expected, and an opportunity for those here on tryouts to showcase their skills without quite as many bodies running around the field.

We were able to spot a few new players who are here on tryouts, including:

T.J. Raymond is a defensive tackle out of Northeastern State. Last season he was credited with 54 total tackles. At 6-foot-2, 349 pounds, he likely projects as a nose tackle.

Brandon Banks is a 5-foot-7, 150-pound receiver from Kansas State. He's posted a 4.25-second 40-yard dash time and could be trying to make the team as a return specialist.

D.J. Hord is a speedy receiver who transferred to Northern Iowa from Notre Dame. He posted 601 receiving yards and had five touchdowns last year.

Shay Hodge is a wide receiver from Mississippi who was rated the 25th-best prospect at his position by NFLScout.com. Last year he caught 70 passes for 1,135 yards and eight touchdowns.

Brendan Smith is a safety from Northwestern. He was a two-time captain and four-year starter. He played only eight games last season because of a dislocated thumb and also had offseason hip surgery.

Previously, we'd told you about the following players who were expected here for tryouts: Massachussetts defensive tackle Kyle Harrington, Arizona State linebacker Mike Nixon, UTEP cornerback Melvin Stephenson II, Penn State quarterback Daryll Clark, Troy running back Maurice Greer, Eastern Arizona defensive tackle Marques Slocum, Murray State wide receiver Derrick Townsel, Massachusetts running back Tony Nelson, Stanford safety Bo McNally, Wisconsin linebacker Jaevery McFadden and Colorado State safety Klint Kubiak.

By Rick Maese and Paul Tenorio  |  May 8, 2010; 5:23 PM ET
Categories:  Mike Shanahan , Minicamp  
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Comments

Bangin' 'em out...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 8, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Is that it? What else? What about Daryl Clark? Anything happen that was newsworthy?
Tell us more Mr Reid

Posted by: KurtShanaman | May 8, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

If Brandon Banks has a brain in his head, he should seek out Brian Michelle and pay to get KR/PR lessons.

But then the Skins haven't been smart enough to hire B-Mich as a coach themselves.

Posted by: dashriprock | May 8, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

He's posted a 4.25-second 40-yard dash time

Can't coach that.... hope he can read blocks and not fumble.

5'7" 150... wow.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 8, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

"Brandon Banks is a 5-foot-7, 150-pound" Stop there... if he gets hit he dies... He had better never, ever, ever, ever, get hit. e=mc2... the faster he goes the harder he runs into the big guys with the "extra" padding of fat and muscle.

Posted by: Burrasta1 | May 8, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Anybody wanna bet jreid popped the AH92 question at Shanny's availability?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 8, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

How come they aren't bouncing big rubber balls around like with Zorny? A real football coach in town. Very nice. This is the 1st season I haven't been filled with dread,to begin in the last few years. Cerrato retarded this team so bad.

Posted by: ridgely1 | May 8, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

"Pain is the mother of change"

---mistamoe, Hip Hop philosopher


Posted by: MistaMoe | May 8, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

from Slate.com

"A Lesbian Mother's Complaint: I Want To Be the Only Mommy on Mother's Day"


I can see the breaksfast scene now.

Two women.

Who both look like dudes with bad haircuts.

Wake up mad because their partner forgot to get them a Mother's Day card.

"You're worse than a man," one shouts as their adopted mixed race son looks on amused and confused.

They both want the other person to make them breakfast in bed.

Each is expecting the other to get her flowers and they argue because neither has.

And so, out of anger, they deny each other sex as punishment for ruining up their Mother's Day.

And over the next month, they re-establish peace in their home.

And it lasts right up until Father's Day.

And they have the same fight all over again.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 8, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Mistamoe: hahaha hoo boy, those lesbians, amirite guys?

Posted by: biggerthanjesus | May 8, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

And over the next month, they re-establish peace in their home.

And it lasts right up until Father's Day.

And they have the same fight all over again.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 8, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse
ROFLOL. Not sure I want to show this to my liberal wife, but that is funny.

Posted by: frediefritz | May 8, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

5'7" 150!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...and my mother said I was too small to play football!

4.2 speed...hmmmmm

you won't catch him in the open field but god forbid he gets hit!

Posted by: rickyroge | May 8, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

MOL w/ Moe. he actually nailed it this time... we hang w/ some lesbian couples, and that about sums it up. the same stupid fights that my wife and I have all the time. we just got into one because she didn't want the calves spraying each other with the hose in the yard. pretty boring stuff all around, but appreciate Moe bringing the humor.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 8, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

and good lord, as Kaneohe was the first to point out... at 5' 7" and 150 lbs, Banks is pretty darn slim even for a speedster special teams dude.

correct me if I'm wrong, but Darrell Green was 5' 8" and 170 lbs, and didn't have to worry about running into a phalanx of tacklers on a regular basis.

not sure why he's here, unless they need someone for target practice.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 8, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

correct me if I'm wrong, but Darrell Green was 5' 8" and 170 lbs, and didn't have to worry about running into a phalanx of tacklers on a regular basis.

not sure why he's here, unless they need someone for target practice.


Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 8, 2010 7:45 PM |

Here's your correction. Darryl returned kicks for a number of years.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 8, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Here's your correction. Darryl returned kicks for a number of years.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 8, 2010 7:50 PM

got me! thanks scamp...

}:o

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 8, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Seems Circus Clown Cerrato has tudored Pickle in the fine art of making friends and gaining the respect of his team mates. Thank "GOD" He's gone!

Posted by: Spanglerg | May 8, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

NP moo

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 8, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Maybe someone remembers.

This is from the old AFL before the merger.

In early 60's, I saw a KR that was tiny on the field. He usually came up to smaller players shoulders. On one kickoff return he dodged one of the behemouths, who stuck out his arm and the dude went flying head over heals. I think he only played 1 or 2 seasons. Any help out there.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | May 8, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

NP moo

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 8, 2010 7:57 PM

will be personally delivering a load of tender beef cuts - your choice - to the grill at your place tonight. enjoy and cheers!

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 8, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

MMmmmmm moo!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 8, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Maybe someone remembers.

This is from the old AFL before the merger.

In early 60's, I saw a KR that was tiny on the field. He usually came up to smaller players shoulders. On one kickoff return he dodged one of the behemouths, who stuck out his arm and the dude went flying head over heals. I think he only played 1 or 2 seasons. Any help out there.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | May 8, 2010 7:58 PM

forgetting my Darrell Green blunder, this is an interesting question.

among current players, wouldn't Darren Sproles (5'6" and 181 lbs) fit in somewhere?

for older stuff, this is a nice review:

http://www.profootballresearchers.org/Coffin_Corner/20-06-772.pdf

couldn't find the dude you're talking about. and it seems like the era of "small" players mostly ended after the 1920s and 1930s.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 8, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

"Not sure I want to show this to my liberal wife,..."


I'd show anybody anything that might make them laugh.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 8, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

will be personally delivering a load of tender beef cuts - your choice - to the grill at your place tonight. enjoy and cheers!

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 8, 2010 8:03 PM

Yikes. Moodly killed and butchered her husband -- no bull!

Posted by: beep-beep | May 8, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Is Tom Fogerty still living?

I'm a black man that loves me some Credence Clearwater Revival!

Posted by: rickyroge | May 8, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Yikes. Moodly killed and butchered her husband -- no bull!

Posted by: beep-beep | May 8, 2010 9:20 PM

yes... mrs. moodly is not so happy with your's truly lately, although the way you describe it is not the way it went down. something about too much time at the trough.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 8, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Shay Hodge is on the 49ers unless he's been cut in the past week

Posted by: comeonchris | May 8, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

5'7" 150!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...and my mother said I was too small to play football!

4.2 speed...hmmmmm

you won't catch him in the open field but god forbid he gets hit!

Posted by: rickyroge | May 8, 2010 7:25 PM
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Shanahan just wants his players around speed. A micro-machine like this guy Banks isn't going to make the team, but he's going to make a lot of guys on special teams better by forcing them to react to the little speed demon. Who knows? They might just keep him around for special teams practices...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 8, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

"Brandon Banks is a 5-foot-7, 150-pound" Stop there... if he gets hit he dies... He had better never, ever, ever, ever, get hit. e=mc2... the faster he goes the harder he runs into the big guys with the "extra" padding of fat and muscle.

Posted by: Burrasta1 | May 8, 2010 5:54 PM
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Actually, I think the equation you are looking for is mass times velocity squared equal Kansas State paste around the fifty yard line...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 8, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe

Not funny, just pathetic. Too many haters around. Didn't know this was a right wing blog. Talk football not lesbians. Narrow minded Fu*ks

Posted by: KurtShanaman | May 8, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Not funny, just pathetic. Too many haters around. Didn't know this was a right wing blog. Talk football not lesbians. Narrow minded Fu*ks

Posted by: KurtShanaman | May 8, 2010 10:32 PM

Lighten up, Francis.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | May 8, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Howard Stevens played in the NFL in the seventies at 5'5" and 165 pounds. He lasted five years.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 8, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe

Not funny, just pathetic. Too many haters around. Didn't know this was a right wing blog. Talk football not lesbians. Narrow minded Fu*ks

Posted by: KurtShanaman | May 8, 2010 10:32 PM |

Ha, someone woke up on the wrong side of the 'gina. Double HA! Moe, a right winger, now that's humor.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 8, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Is Tom Fogerty still living?

I'm a black man that loves me some Credence Clearwater Revival!

Posted by: rickyroge | May 8, 2010 9:34 PM |


I think you mean John Fogerty:

www.johnfogerty.com

Posted by: edvar | May 8, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

CCR is good sh!t!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 8, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Looking up a few of these guys raymond is supposedly a jet and banks is facing two felony charges hmmmm.

Posted by: comeonchris | May 8, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Is this a joke..just read banks signed with tampa on the 2nd

Posted by: comeonchris | May 8, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Dino Hall returned kickoffs for the Browns for five years. 5'7 165. This is a run from scrimmage but you get the idea.

Dino's at the 1:56 mark in the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCki6wHiX_4

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 8, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 8, 2010 8:17 PM |

Tks. I can't remember the dudes name. I just remember when the arm went out he went flying. He was very fast and could dodge around those big dudes but that one play just stuck in my mind.

I'm 5'11" and at the time i weighed 152 lbs and remember that he was smaller than me..

appreciate your looking though.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | May 8, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

If I remember right, it wasn't long after that they outlawed the close line tackle. Those big dudes would put their arms out at neck level and a lotta players didn't get up very quickly.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | May 8, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

http://www.tropicalglen.com/

If you like 50-80's music, this is a great site. Plays in background while you surf. In Moodely's case while he turf's.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | May 8, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

4.25? With that type of speed, tacklers will be more worried about him getting away than to attempt laying the woods on him, example, how often did Darrell Green get laid out? None I can recall; same with Santana Moss as a returner, how often did he get knocked out? Never. The fear and panic speed imposes on an opponent, keeps such opponent veeeeery honest! If this Kid Banks can transform his speed into effective football handling and a lion heart? He could be our little diamond in the rough .

Posted by: abxinc | May 9, 2010 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Pro wrestling is real, people are fake................

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 9, 2010 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Brendan Smith - this kid is a player...I remember him from a number of big 10 games.

Posted by: boricuabopper | May 9, 2010 1:33 AM | Report abuse

Back from the Shark Tank. Place was rocking. Sharks 2, Detroit history.

Sharks on to round 3. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 9, 2010 1:38 AM | Report abuse

Actually, I think the equation you are looking for is mass times velocity squared equal Kansas State paste around the fifty yard line...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 8, 2010 10:29 PM

For the record, Einstein was quantifying the release of energy in a nuclear reaction. Mass = energy*(speed of light)^2.

The correct equation for kinetic energy is .5m*v^2 though. The thing to remember is the difference between force, momentum and kinetic energy. Force is the amount of power felt at any given time. A greater force will increase acceleration (or deceleration) relative to acceleration and mass. More momentum will increase either force or time/distance required to stop (momentum = mass * velocity). Kinetic energy is if the object stops in a given distance, the amount of force felt by the object (E = .5mv^2). Assuming the stopping distance is the same, a faster object will feel more force to stop (relative to a third party). If this object can find a way to increase it's stopping distance by changing it's relative velocity vector or slowing down prior to impact, it'll change it's relative kinetic energy to the incoming object. While maintaining the energy of the impact, you lessen the force of it, allowing your body more time to absord it.

Posted by: lostcause017 | May 9, 2010 4:09 AM | Report abuse

T.J. Raymond is a defensive tackle out of Northeastern State. Last season he was credited with 54 total tackles. At 6-foot-2, 349 pounds, he likely projects as a nose tackle.
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I read this again and thought, "Man this guy is either too short for his weight or he's a pudge ball". He's an ideal size for nose tackle. Let's hope there's more muscle than baby fat in those 349 pounds...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 9, 2010 5:49 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe

Not funny, just pathetic. Too many haters around. Didn't know this was a right wing blog. Talk football not lesbians. Narrow minded Fu*ks

Posted by: KurtShanaman | May 8, 2010 10:32 PM
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Not a big supporter of the Larry Johnson philosophy on alternative lifestyles, are you?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 9, 2010 5:56 AM | Report abuse

There's always one...........

Posted by: westjr88 | May 9, 2010 6:23 AM | Report abuse

scottcampbell1975

"Moe, a right winger, now that's humor."

Actually, I am.

I lost my left arm in a car accident.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 9, 2010 7:28 AM | Report abuse

westjr:

Where is Ginny Handy now?

Posted by: glawrence007 | May 9, 2010 7:32 AM | Report abuse

"Brandon Banks...posted a 4.25-second 40-yard dash time and could be trying to make the team as a return specialist."

One thing I like with the new FO is the acknowledgement that the Redskins have been a 'slow' team over the past couple of years.

Outside of S Moss, we really haven't featured too many sub 4.4 guys with 'field-flipper' ability.

But now, with T Austin (4.3) and D Thomas (4.3) and a decent deep ball thrower in McNabb, maybe we'll see more plays that grab chunks of yards and shortens the field.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 9, 2010 7:36 AM | Report abuse

Maybe someone remembers.

This is from the old AFL before the merger.

In early 60's, I saw a KR that was tiny on the field. He usually came up to smaller players shoulders. On one kickoff return he dodged one of the behemouths, who stuck out his arm and the dude went flying head over heals. I think he only played 1 or 2 seasons. Any help out there.

We had a returner named TONY GREEN. A Beathard find. Pretty good too. Made the PRO BOWL in 1978. Sixth rounder in 1978 out of FLORIDA. I believe he played two seasons one for us and another team, the GIANTS I think. Is that the one?

Posted by: glawrence007 | May 9, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse

westjr:

Where is Ginny Handy now?

Posted by: glawrence007 | May 9, 2010 7:32 AM | Report abuse

I couldn't tell you. I will inquire when I get home and see what I can find out for you.

Posted by: westjr88 | May 9, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse

I sure would like to have another Mike Nelms to return kicks. He had no fear of death.

Posted by: westjr88 | May 9, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

"Is Tom Fogerty still living?I'm a black man that loves me some Credence Clearwater Revival!Posted by: rickyroge"

Died apparently in 1990, from AIDS related to blood transfusions. His brother's still playing, though -- he's the lead singer.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 9, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Moe,
Same wishful thinking year after year. Give McNabb time and he can throw the ball down field. If we gave JC time he could have done he same. 3 seconds to throw the ball does not go very far down field. Speedy receivers we’ve had, O-line will have to show up in order to make long throws down field, period. Pessimistic attitude until the O-line proves they’re better.

Posted by: space_cadet | May 9, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

He was the best along with Brian Mitchell

Posted by: glawrence007 | May 9, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

gl:
Did Ginny have a brother named James?

Posted by: westjr88 | May 9, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

"Give McNabb time and he can throw the ball down field. If we gave JC time he could have done he same."


I don't think you'll win a lot of arguments where you compare Donovan McNabb to Jason Campbell, and say they both are the same in one regard: deep passing.

We've seen McNabb loft bombs to a variety of folks in Philly (from T.O. to Avant to Maclin to Jackson) while on the run or with players in his face--and he made the throws.

Even S Moss said that after 5 years, he and Jason Campbell, "...weren't on the same page..." in the deep ball game.

Campbell is a solid mid-range, dump off quarterback, not a deep thrower.

He will excel in Oakland with fine blocking just as McNabb will excell in D.C. because he'll have a solid running game as support.

Each quarterback goes to a place where he gets what he really needs to succeed.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 9, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

^^^^Jamarcus never got 'fine' blocking in Oakland.....And all he had last year was rookie receivers to throw to.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 9, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

A-one and a-two and a-three and a big

beep beep

Posted by: beep-beep | May 9, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

You know a player is small when the helmet starts to look disproportianately large. The guy makes Sproles look enormous. It's someone from a jv team has snuck on to the pitch.

Brandon Banks looks plenty fast, but he looks very thin. I'd be very concerned about his ability to stay healthy and hang on to the ball.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKd2rQCGM_E


A hit like this might shatter him into tiny pieces.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pSBEPG6Bnw

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | May 9, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Maybe someone remembers.

This is from the old AFL before the merger.

In early 60's, I saw a KR that was tiny on the field. He usually came up to smaller players shoulders. On one kickoff return he dodged one of the behemouths, who stuck out his arm and the dude went flying head over heals. I think he only played 1 or 2 seasons. Any help out there.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | May 8, 2010 7:58 PM

You might be thinking of Mack Herron, who played for three years, from 1973-1975. In 1974, he set a then NFL record for most all-purpose yardage.

Here is his stat and bio line:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HerrMa01.htm

And yes, Howard Stevens was of similar size and stature and was the Colts kick returner in the mid 70's.

I used to have both of the football cards back when I was collecting in those days.

Posted by: NosferatusCoffin | May 9, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Same wishful thinking year after year. Give McNabb time and he can throw the ball down field. If we gave JC time he could have done he same. 3 seconds to throw the ball does not go very far down field. Speedy receivers we’ve had, O-line will have to show up in order to make long throws down field, period. Pessimistic attitude until the O-line proves they’re better.


Posted by: space_cadet | May 9, 2010 8:08 AM

First off, JC had horrible downfield aim. He threw the ball way too flat. Secondly, in 3 seconds, Moss can get about 30 yards downfield. Then you forget the ball has a hangtime of about 3-4 seconds which allows him to get the 60-70 yards that is McNabb's max range.

Posted by: lostcause017 | May 10, 2010 12:46 AM | Report abuse

From Pro Football Weekly
"Rare eye-popping forget it speed" Outruns all angles. Shows burst, vision, balance as a runner. Very productive, and should contribute as a reciever. ...Diminutive explosive returner with game breaking and explosive speed..

I like that they picked up this Banks from K-State

Posted by: carlhimmelright | May 10, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

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