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'MNF' Change: Gruden In, Kornheiser Out

ESPN has announced that Jon "Chucky" Gruden will replace Tony "I Hate to Fly" Kornheiser in the "Monday Night Football" booth this fall.

Your take?

By Cindy Boren  |  May 18, 2009; 11:18 AM ET
 
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I'm all for it if it means Tony on the radio. He's awesome!

Posted by: zyvo23 | May 18, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

BOO! I liked the pumpkinhead...

Posted by: K88J28 | May 18, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

About time....

Now don't get me wrong..I love Tony K. but I want to hear pure football when I watch and Chucky will contribute much more than TK.

It was nice to have a local connection to MNF but Chucky will be better IMO

Posted by: A-Contrario | May 18, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Bad decision, Tony's better

Posted by: 3mccs | May 18, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

This change was inevitable with the downturn. Gotta cost a lot less for Chucky's first-class tix than for Kornheiser's bus. Who did he think he was, John Madden.

Any Raiders games on the Monday night schedule next year?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 18, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

...wow... I actually agreed w/ Cork.

To date, since the ESPN MNF takeover, Thiesman was the best they've had.. lmao.

Oh, & from last thread:


Hey, when MNF started they had the most annoying announcer on the PLANET!! I think the execs were trying to go with the tried & true formula. Only problem, that formula only worked w/ one guy. And that was the 70's!!

I want something as simple as this (on MNF or ANY broadcast):

An unbiased play by play guy who actually watches the play on the field (not in the monitor)
A color man with intricate knowledge of football history and current applications
A SMOKIN hot sideline reporter who could challenge a cheerleader for her spot
An irreverent and sarcastic sideline analyst

That's it - nothing more. I don't need another host of goons to numbly cover what I've already seen. Maybe you could throw it back to the studio for other activity in sports, but I have to be honest, by then I'll be getting another beer anyway...

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 18, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

John Gruden is replacing Cornheiser on MNL. Thank the sweet Lord!

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | May 18, 2009 11:26 AM

Assuming you meant MNF, be careful what you wish for. Gruden is decent, but nothing to write home about. And now that you add him, what's his role? The 3 man booth is supposed to be play-by-play announcer, analyst, and dude-who-knows-some-stuff-about-football-but-is-really-there-for-comic-relief. Gruden ain't the latter and two analysts is kinda much. Personally, I hate a 3 man booth and think that anything beyond the play-by-play guy and the analyst is overdoing it.

But Kornheiser had to go. His schtick doesn't fit in-game. On PTI he's hilarious. In print, he's hilarious. During a game, I wanna punch him in the stones. If ESPN wants to get it right for a change, they'd go with Tirico and the newly acquired Matt Millen in the booth. But then again, this is the network that let Emmitt Smith talk...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 18, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse


I've read a bunch of Kornheiser's books. The column. Like him on PTI. Not a TK hater.

But I hit the MUTE button every time he started to expound on MNF.

They hired him to be the funny guy, and he thought he was another football guy. Unfortunately--and u could tell listening to Jaws simmer at times--they already had one of those.

He was a terrible booth guy. Worse than Miller, almost as bad as the Hammer. Unlistenable. He came across with all the knowitallism of Cosell, only without Howard's charm.

I shuddered at his pre game previews, which he wrote like a column he was submitting for a Pulitzer. (And I turned those off eventually).

Hope Gruden is great.

ESPN blew it when they dumped the incumbent team of Patrick, Theismann and Whatsisface.

Patrick and Theismann started working together at WJLA back in almost 30 years ago with post-game segments, and the rapport shows.

You can't fake that in broadcasting. And the enmity between Jaws and Kornheiser meant one of them had to go. They chose the right one.

That said, TK will rebound and succeed elsewhere. He is a real talent--just not at everything he tries.

Posted by: TheCork | May 18, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Tirico has to go, too. He's horrible.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 18, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I agree with the guys who think Patrick, Thiesmann and Macguire were awesome. I will be happy to see Korny go, but what the heck has Gruden done to get the 3rd slot? Has he ever done a game in his life? Too bad NBC hired Matt Millen for their pregame panel….he was very good in the booth……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 18, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Shcoked... not really... they want guys who will be less pro-DC.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 18, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

That's great news. What a relief to not have to listen to that blowhard Tony Kornholer anymore - his rambling hyperbole was totally worthless - but what a nice combover he had (not) At least Jon Gruden is a football man with a football pedigree. I doubt if Kornholer ever made it past team waterboy or manager at best. Good riddance.

Posted by: SkinsKen | May 18, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Tirico has to go, too. He's horrible.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 18, 2009 11:57 AM

It's not that he's horrible...he's just middle-of-the-pack. He doesn't have a great voice like Al Michaels (in fact, Tirico is AWFUL when he yells after a big play...kinda like how we sound playing Madden), but he's not abysmal. Kinda the Jason Campbell of play-by-play announcers...

Maybe I just got used to it after awhile, but I always thought the Patrick, Theismann and Maguire team wasn't that bad. I would take that booth over the tall glass of poop juice that's on MNF now.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 18, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Who me? Paranoid?

After my last post I tried to post again and got a message that it wasnt' accepted because I'd posted too much! Come, back later, it said.

My question is: Who's making that call? Kornheiser? The person who invented the online polls I always rip? The taste police? Or one of about 80 other RI posters?

And Cindy, I think you should welcome all the posts you can get here.

Posted by: TheCork | May 18, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

WTG Ken! For creative use of the NOT joke

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 18, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

the chemistry between Korny and Jaws was like bleach and ammonia

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 18, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

lol, brownie, on the Soup comparison...

I don't have the biggest problem w/ Tirico's voice, though I feel you are accurate. There are just so many times during the game where he's not even paying attention.... drives me batty. WORSE than korny, for me anyway...

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 18, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Jon Gruden will never coach football again.

The guy will be a sports media star.

He'll endorse products and make a mint.

He has a blunt, but yet knowledgable John Madden quality about him when he speaks on camera.

If you doubt it, check him out on the NFL Network whenever they run the 2001 Tampa Bucs program. He literally jumps out and above the production.

Thing is, can Mike Patrick give him room to be Jon Gruden?

And what becomes of Ron "Let's Go To The Tape" Jaworski?

I'd yank him from the booth as well.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 18, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Kornheiser is funny as hell on radio,print, and PTI, that's where he belongs.

Posted by: 72Redskins | May 18, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Unrelated to this subject... And I know most of these experiments have failed in the past, but I think the Skins should bring in Usain Bolt for a tryout at WR. He just killed it at a race in England.

He's 6'5" and the fastest man on the planet. Yeah he's only 190 lbs. and never caught a football, but he would certainly stretch the opposing defenses who couldn't just let him fly by them.

Posted by: mrlowery1 | May 18, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Al Michaels or Mike Patrick. No one else is close.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 18, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I actually think Jaws will make Gruden workout. And Chucky will definitely keep Jaws in check when he tends to overstate his position.

Loose Tirico & we might have something here...

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 18, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Theismann did some of his best announcing work on the old American Gladiators program. I caught an episode last night. After announcing the women's Breakthrough and Conquer, he grew wistful and had a little cry on Mike Adamle's shoulder. Makeup smudges everywhere.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 18, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

The issue with MNF is that the games they get suck.

Who wants to view the mid-season Bengals v. Rams type games they carry?

Or the late season Raiders v. Panthers type contests they carry?

Bleech!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 18, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Track guys usually don't transition to NFL football, I only know of about 3 who did anything, mainly Bob Hayes of course, and then Willie Gault (Chicago) and Reynaldo Nehemia(San Fran)who flashed briefly.

Posted by: 72Redskins | May 18, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Anyone ever listen to Ian Eagle on CBS call a game? Talk about excitable.....he'll nake you think every 6 yard gaion is going 75 yds for a TD....it's really kind of funny....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 18, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

TheCork said exactly what I wanted to say.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | May 18, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

BTW, here's Peter King on the Jason Taylor business:

"I'm like you: I like the Dolphins getting Jason Taylor for one more year at a very reasonable price -- $1.1 million in real money, with $400,000 in incentives. It's a terrific move by the Dolphins. Think of it. They gave up Taylor for one year -- an ineffective, injury-riddled year in Washington -- and got a second-round pick in 2009 and a sixth-rounder in 2010, and then got him to play outside linebacker for them for one year for less than the going rate."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/05/17/nfl/1.html

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | May 18, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Mrlowry,

See James Jett, Ron Brown, Renaldo Nehemiah, Michael Haynes, etc...

Sprinters generally don't do well in football, just as footallers don't do well as sprinters.

There are a few exceptions like Bob Hayes and Darrell Green, and Willie Gault was OK but for the most part, track speed doesn't translate well to football.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 18, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

WOW that is GREAT news

I hated Kornheiser up there, he never even talked about the game. Thank god, dude take your lame celebrity jokes somewhere else. Dude was awful and unfunny. He's like the talent_evaluator or the RedDMV of announcers!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 18, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I don't have the biggest problem w/ Tirico's voice, though I feel you are accurate. There are just so many times during the game where he's not even paying attention.... drives me batty. WORSE than korny, for me anyway...

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 18, 2009 12:12 PM

Yeah, I hear you...it's ESPN's coverage that makes him come off like that more than anything. They make MNF into a spectacle instead of a well-covered football game. The draw of MNF on ABC was that it was a football game that just happened to be a very good production. ESPN treats the football as a secondary attraction to their endless hype. Kinda like going to rap concert and listening to the hype man go "yeah yeah" all night instead of hearing actual verses and rhymes from the guy you came to hear. Completely annoying...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 18, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

The issue with MNF is that the games they get suck.
Who wants to view the mid-season Bengals v. Rams type games they carry?
Or the late season Raiders v. Panthers type contests they carry?
Bleech!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: MistaMoe | May 18, 2009 12:19 PM


That’s what made Cosell so annoying and Dandy Don Meredith so necessary. Cosell would really get on your nerves as he tried so desperately to sell the ABC product (MNF) when the games were blowouts. He really came across as a network schill, and he really REALLY over hyped his favorite teams and coaches….Meredith was a comedic foil to Cosell (with Gifford as the straight man) which is apparently a formula that the MNF execs keep trying to return to, and failing at (See Miller, Dennis and then Korny).

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 18, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

MNF on ESPN sucks. It's like watching TRL. The game is secondary to the antics in the booth.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 18, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

After my last post I tried to post again and got a message that it wasnt' accepted because I'd posted too much! Come, back later, it said.

Posted by: TheCork | May 18, 2009 12:05 PM |

Don't say we didn't ask you nicely. You can't take a hint, can you Mr. Crock? Later, in your case, meant seven years. See ya'.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 18, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

MNF on ESPN sucks. It's like watching TRL. The game is secondary to the antics in the booth.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 18, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

That and ESPN comes in poorly on my cable.. Its like watching a scrambled channel. Maybe just my building.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 18, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Thank you sweet Jesus!!!!!!!! I like him on PTI but on MNF he just did not fit in...

Posted by: hanimal03 | May 18, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

That and ESPN comes in poorly on my cable.. Its like watching a scrambled channel. Maybe just my building.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 18, 2009 1:04 PM

Alex, I told you that you should have gotten a bigger TV. ESPN comes through fine on my 43" screen. Next time, listen to your elders. They may be old, but they're wise.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 18, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

I second Cork's opinion on the matter.

Was always a TK fan, but thought he was un-listenable as an MNF guy.

Posted by: p1funk | May 18, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

"Track guys usually don't transition to NFL football"

I was a high school track and cross country coach for about ten years.

I've seen everyone from Santonio Holmes to Devin Hester to Vince Wilfork perform in track meets.

Dan Morgan, the former Carolina Panther, often did his speed work with my team in the spring and was a great influence.

One of my better runners went to UM to run the 800m and talked about a great track guy redskins fans admire: Santana Moss.

There are tons of guys in the NFL because of high school track and field.

Don't demean the sport.

Many guys give up on track because of the obvious money to be made in pro football.

The professional track guy doesn't need football to find success.

But with so many football guys having used high school/college track and field to refine their running style and build a conditioning-flexibility base, it remains one of the country's best--and ignored--sports.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 18, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

These are some lame topics, Thursday can't get here quick enough when Mike Vick gets out of the slammer and goes to house confinement in Hampton,VA.

Posted by: 72Redskins | May 18, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I think the problem is the fact that we are holding out for VIOS in SW. Should be here in a year.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 18, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Question for you, Wise One. For the last few days, when I run the audio through my 5.1 speakers, the sync is off. If I listen to the audio directly from the TV, it's synced perfectly. Any techies out there know why this might be?

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 18, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Best MNF booth ever: Cossell, Dandy Don Meredith, and Frank Gifford.

No bout adoubt it.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 18, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Any techies out there know why this might be?

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 18, 2009 1:19 PM |

Same problem as Alex. Your screen is too small. Should have bought the 42" job.

I don't know. Do I look like a techie?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 18, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

There are tons of guys in the NFL because of high school track and field.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 18, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse


Jermaine Lewis repping Eleanor Rooselvelt H.S. and the Terps as a track/football star has a nice Super Bowl ring to go with it.

Posted by: p1funk | May 18, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I lost all respect for Tony Kornheiser during the 2007 Chargers-Broncos game when he kept harping throughout the game about how nobody knew who LaDainian Tomlinson was because he played in San Diego (Jaws disagreed with him to the point where he almost called him an idiot). Then he went off on Philip Rivers for about twenty minutes after he and Jay Cutler got into that sideline-to-sideline shouting match (he also managed to insert a Brett Favre reference when he said, "Brett Favre doesn't do this.")

Good riddance Tony! Go back to the Style section.

Posted by: mgonter | May 18, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I went with the 52". My basement looks like Times Square. It's Fios, in case that matters.

No, you look like a Trekkie.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 18, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Question for you, Wise One. For the last few days, when I run the audio through my 5.1 speakers, the sync is off. If I listen to the audio directly from the TV, it's synced perfectly. Any techies out there know why this might be?

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 18, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Smack,
are you running the speakers through a DVD player/BlueRay/VCR. Use the process of elimination. Take one item out at a time and see what happens. Hook the main speaker right up to the TV first and see if there is still a delay.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 18, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

But Kornheiser had to go. His schtick doesn't fit in-game. On PTI he's hilarious. In print, he's hilarious. During a game, I wanna punch him in the stones. If ESPN wants to get it right for a change, they'd go with Tirico and the newly acquired Matt Millen in the booth. But then again, this is the network that let Emmitt Smith talk...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 18, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I did mean MNF, not MNL (got SNL on the brain).

You would put Millen in there? After his record w/the Lions? Are you serious? I mean, the whole point of having an "analyst" to contract the play by play guy and provide insight is voided when a guy who ran an already poor franchise into the ground with poor coaching and personel decisions for many years. Dude... Millen? Seriously? I thought it was a joke when he was hired as a "football" analyst. I mean, the guy must know something about the game to be where he is, and being a former player, but his credibility will always be questioned after the Detroit landslide.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | May 18, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

You know who should do a play by play for a game. Morgan Freeman.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 18, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

My take on Mista's rule changes

"NFL owners will meet in Florida to discuss, among other things, labor and economic issues, the longer schedule, rules changes and such."


The changes I'd like to see:

Bring on the eighteen game schedule.
NO, too many teams have their fate decided by injuries already.

Do away with the practice squad and increase rosters to 60 players.
YES

Put some more money into a fund to take care of the guys who played in the 60s-70s and didn't make the boatloads of cash guys get now.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS -- a complete embarrassment that a biz that prints money REFUSES to take care of their own.

Change the 'force out' rule back to what it was a year ago. It killed the 'out' and 'fade' patterns.
NO. Force outs were pretty arbitrary. New rule isn't

Lighted up on the 'hitting a defenseless' receiver issue. It's takes away from safety play when 'fear of crossing the middle' is gone.
YES

Finally, adopt the college over time system.
NO. Gawd NO!! Instead of a kickoff for OT, give the "receiving team" the ball at their own 10 yard line (or 5 yard line). Or have kickoffs from midfield, making the KR much tougher.

My additions.

After a safety, have the kick come from the goal line, not the 20.

12 men on the field -- if the 12th guy is clearly running off the field, no penalty the 1st time it occurs. In the Pat vs jints Super Bowl, a jint was running off the field, one step from the sidelines. Guy had no impact on the play. Belichek threw the flag, and got a key jint stop overturned. Almost changed who won the SB.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 18, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Smack,
are you running the speakers through a DVD player/BlueRay/VCR. Use the process of elimination. Take one item out at a time and see what happens. Hook the main speaker right up to the TV first and see if there is still a delay.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 18, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Alex, yeah the home theater system (bought separately from the TV, though both are Samsung) has a DVD/Receiver/Amp thing. The problem seems to have started after I used it to play CDs for the first time. Didn't realize how annoying it is to watch news and stuff Milli Vanilli style.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 18, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest,
Any word on if they will bring up Expansion/Relocation in the Florida meeting. Or the development league?

Posted by: alex35332 | May 18, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

*contrast*

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | May 18, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

SMACK
I suggest taking that DVD player out of the line and see if it syncs up. If you can do that.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 18, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Anyone try online dating services?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | May 18, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Anyone try online dating services?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz

Which one you referring to?

Posted by: alex35332 | May 18, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Thanks again Alex. I was kind of hoping the pushing of a button would be involved, but in honor of T_E I will boldly go and try that when I get home.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 18, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

No problem smack, its a part of what I do.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 18, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

smack, package the whole thing up and ship it up to my residence. I'll take a look at it for you, for zip, and diagnose the problem, then ship it back to you.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 18, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

To the esteemed Mr.Moe, the track thing started with Usain Bolt who has never played a down of American football as far as I know.... Yes lots of guys in college/NFL football ran some track in high school and or college,... I think we're talking here the guys who were and are strictly track stars who have never played football transitioning straight to the NFL just based on their speed and track exploits.

Posted by: 72Redskins | May 18, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I'll also suggest that you ignore what alex is telling you, as that will probably fuse the phetzer valve to the thingamabobby, resulting in a catastrophic failure of the whole system.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 18, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

"Jermaine Lewis repping Eleanor Rooselvelt H.S. and the Terps as a track/football star has a nice Super Bowl ring to go with it."

I bet there more guys than him.

The local paper here in Palm Beach County did a story some years ago where it cited an NFL statistic that up to 75% of its players were track guys before going all football.

One reason great football players come from Florida is the kids are encouraged to train like track guys in the spring and summer in order to increase their speed and overall conditioning.

College football coaches line the fences at state track meets and get a glance at a kid's speed up close and personal.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 18, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

smack, package the whole thing up and ship it up to my residence. I'll take a look at it for you, for zip, and diagnose the problem, then ship it back to you.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 18, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Just go ahead and post that address here, and a FedEx number. Also, what hours is your house generally unoccupied?

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 18, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

72redskins

I know what you guys meant.

Football is lateral speed in 10 yard areas and track straight ahead speed over a sustained distance.

Plus: the mental frame of a footballer requires that he can shake off pain while desiring to dish some out all in the context of a defensive or offensive scheme.

And there's no track workout for that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 18, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Surprised to read about all the hate for Tony K, but the DMV built him up, so I always got respect for Tony "Ya Boy" Kornheiser. Plus dude cracks me up in the evenings.

As a matter of fact, my first beer of the evening is cracked usually while watching PTI..

He just seemed that he really didn't belong in the booth, or any booth for that matter.

But seriously though, is it that important to hear the commentary guys during the game? I know wherever I am it's usually very, very loud. So trying to hear what any analyst, play-by-play guy, or joke man has to say, good or bad in the booth, isn't an option.

Don't you guys listen to some music, or talk with friends during the game? I couldn't imagine trying to listen to what the dudes in the booth were saying on TV - during the Dallas game - too much sh*t talking going on during those games.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 18, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I'll also suggest that you ignore what alex is telling you, as that will probably fuse the phetzer valve to the thingamabobby, resulting in a catastrophic failure of the whole system.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 18, 2009 1:44 PM

It's all ball-bearings anyway....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 18, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I'll also suggest that you ignore what alex is telling you, as that will probably fuse the phetzer valve to the thingamabobby, resulting in a catastrophic failure of the whole system.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 18, 2009 1:44 PM |

I'd suggest ignoring him for a different reason. Dude can't even get a clear picture on ESPN and you'd trust him to fix your rig on a blog? Wake up.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 18, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

"Plus: the mental frame of a footballer requires that he can shake off pain while desiring to dish some out all in the context of a defensive or offensive scheme.

And there's no track workout for that.

Posted by: MistaMoe"

I have never been in more pain in my life than when we used to have to do track workouts in college. It was the most dreadful thing to see written up on the board as you walked into the locker room: "grab your running shoes."

I'd say on average, about 15% of the team finished their runs puking in a drain.

If there's one sport that it's almost 100% required to be mentally tough, it's track & field (particularly the distance runners). Big time respect for them.

**though I know it's a completely different type of mental toughness.

Posted by: psps23 | May 18, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I have never been in more pain in my life than when we used to have to do track workouts in college. It was the most dreadful thing to see written up on the board as you walked into the locker room: "grab your running shoes."
I'd say on average, about 15% of the team finished their runs puking in a drain.
If there's one sport that it's almost 100% required to be mentally tough, it's track & field (particularly the distance runners). Big time respect for them.
**though I know it's a completely different type of mental toughness.
Posted by: psps23 | May 18, 2009 2:06 PM

Not very cerebral though.
OH! (Jersey style)

Sorry…..couldn’t resist.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 18, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

If Tony Kornheiser is getting shoved out of the booth, I wonder if he'll lower himself to writing a weekly column again.

That--plus annoying Wilbon on PTI--is his forte.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 18, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

"Finally, adopt the college over time system."

Would that be a four year plan, 12 semesters, year abroad, what?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 18, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

"Not very cerebral though.
OH! (Jersey style)
Sorry…..couldn’t resist.

Posted by: dlhaze1"

Dammit, I thought it would have been forgotten by now...

Is that Jersey style complete with icepicks and a blowout?

Posted by: psps23 | May 18, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

People watch PTI.....really?

Are you being serious, or is that a joke...I'd rather watch re-runs of the rosie show, that that crap.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 18, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

"Football is lateral speed in 10 yard areas and track straight ahead speed over a sustained distance."

To me, the big difference between track speed and football speed is that when you go to run fast, there's someone standing in your way.

But that's just my experience.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 18, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Is that Jersey style complete with icepicks and a blowout?

Posted by: psps23 | May 18, 2009 2:13 PM

I was thinking sweatsuit and gold chains...with a side of meatballs.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 18, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I did the online dating thing.

...disaster, pure disaster.

The people on there have chips on their shoulder so large you'd need an A-Bomb to start a dent...

Either that or they're pure nut-jobs (I think I'm walking evidence of that)...

I did like the eHarmony setup - huge compatability test - but I missed where they had the checkbox for "HUMAN BEING". Those people are ROBOTS! See? Even I can admit that robots are people, too.

Believe it or not, I think your best bet is getting with someone that people close to you, who know you, approve of.

Nothing is perfect or set in stone, but I find that has the best possibility of working out.

May I advise AGAINST trying to run off with the barely-of-age temp at your office.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 18, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

c'mon guys, it's all ball-bearings these days!

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 18, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I met my GF three years ago via Craigslist. now they are taking that apart.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 18, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I met my GF three years ago via Craigslist. now they are taking that apart.
Posted by: alex35332 | May 18, 2009 2:21 PM

You’re really gonna set us up like that? Really lobbing one over the plate, there….

- How much did you pay for her?
- Did you have to pick her up yourself or was delivery included?
- What’s a used blow up doll go for these days?
- What’s the return policy on GF’s?

That’s all I got for now….nothing personal.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 18, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

...I did like the eHarmony setup - huge compatability test - but I missed where they had the checkbox for "HUMAN BEING". Those people are ROBOTS! See? Even I can admit that robots are people, too...


Posted by: DikShuttle | May 18, 2009 2:17 PM


So they found you're compatible with robots? I mean, the people they set you up with are based on YOUR preferences, right?

Posted by: Alan4 | May 18, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

To me, the big difference between track speed and football speed is that when you go to run fast, there's someone standing in your way.

But that's just my experience.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 18, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Right. In track everyone is running in the same direction. In football, everyone is running in different directions. Usually they collide, sometimes violently.

Posted by: frediefritz | May 18, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

- How much did you pay for her? whats a metro trip & dinner cost 3 years ago?
- Did you have to pick her up yourself or was delivery included? delivery included
- What’s a used blow up doll go for these days? guessing $30
- What’s the return policy on GF’s? Its a pain in the A$$

That’s all I got for now….nothing personal.
none taken

Posted by: alex35332 | May 18, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

YEY!!! Thank the Heavens!!!!

At least Gruden knows football! Finally a little Testosterone and Current, Relavent, Football Knowledge in the Announcers Booth!!!

Kornheiser was blabbering idiot seeping w/ "The View"-like Estrogen and a vomit-inducing comb-over of frazzled pubic hair that only covered a small patch of his melanomic baldness.

GOOD RIDDANCE!!!

Oh please, make it a Hat Trick and have Katie Couric and Jason La Canfora get FIRED TODAY TOO!!!

Posted by: filmchis | May 18, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Alex - on the real, that's not exactly a dating site... on the comedy I'll add:

What was her square footage & did they include pictures?

And Alan, they wouldn't even let me join. They're standards are inhuman. You have to be a robot to make it in...

...and yes, I'm compatible with robots. lol. Though I draw the line at Top Secret's Ana(sjk)Intruder!!

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 18, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Alex.....all in fun but as soon as I hit submit I thought I probably didn't need to do that. Thanks for having a good sense of humor!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 18, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

FemBots are my preference.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 18, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

brownwood26,
You are dead on about Millen. The guy might have been a lousy GM but he was always great in front of a mic.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 18, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

But with so many football guys having used high school/college track and field to refine their running style and build a conditioning-flexibility base, it remains one of the country's best--and ignored--sports.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 18, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm not hating on Track at all. I ran in H.S. and college and loved it. Just saying that at a certain point guys need to choose track or football and focus training on that. Guys who are at the olympic level have spent a good deal of time conditioning themselves for straight line speed and no longer posess the quickness & latteral movement required to play football at an elite level. They are also not used to running at top speed with a free safety bearing down on them (RIP #21)

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 18, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

bean

"BeantownGreg1"?


Where did the '1' come from?

I like the number, though.

It suggests that somewhere out there, another 'beantowngreg' is chillin' like a villian.

And about the eharmony ting, I wished they had one for married people.

But I guess it would cause too much confusion if your wife was more compatible with some other chick than you.

But then again, think of the kinky possibilities.

(INSERT image of perverted one-eyed wink and smirk.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 18, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

If you can't make fun of your partner who can you make fun of.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 18, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

moe, its nothing like that, my old sign-on got locked, so I had to make a new one.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 18, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

The only way Mr. Shuttle makes fun of Mrs. Shuttle is if he wants a knife stuck in his neck! [ :-o

And yes, Alex has an amazing sense of humor!!

- - -

But I guess it would cause too much confusion if your wife was more compatible with some other chick than you.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 18, 2009 2:48 PM

woah - been THERE before.

And they do have one for married folks - I forget the name, though, as I don't want to invoke previously said action from Mrs. Shuttle!!

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 18, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

If you can't make fun of your partner who can you make fun of.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 18, 2009 2:49 PM |

TheCork? TheTruth11? BeantownGreg1? Me? You? Shoot, I can think of plenty of 'em. Isn't that what we're here for? It used to be the Redskins but, reading the blog lately, I think they may have been disbanded because Snyder's not half the man that Cooke was.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 18, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Send in the FemBHAAAATS!!!

greg, I don't know, PTI is okay with me. There isn't nothing special about it, just provides me laughs when coming home, and usually boosts my 12oz.

I'm single - WITH NO KIDS from that baby mama, those baby mamas, or them baby mamas(Yesssssssssss!). But if I did, like most of the married guys here, my wife would be running the show from the time I get off, until the time she goes to bed, if you catch my drift.

F online dating, go to the super market, if the night scene isn't your thing, no bs.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 18, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Actually I think if you got out your measuring tape you would find out Snyder is 1/2 the man Cooke is.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 18, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Actually I think if you got out your measuring tape you would find out Snyder is 1/2 the man Cooke is.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 18, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure I didn't want to read that even ONCE, let alone twice....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 18, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm not hating on Track at all. I ran in H.S. and college and loved it. ...

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 18, 2009 2:44 PM

Track = NASCAR for people serving DUI suspensions

Posted by: dcsween | May 18, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Just like horse racing is NASCAR for the Amish.

Posted by: dcsween | May 18, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I like Nascar.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 18, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

And they do have one for married folks - I forget the name, though, as I don't want to invoke previously said action from Mrs. Shuttle!!

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 18, 2009 2:57 PM

disHarmony

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 18, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

we should mix the three...!

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 18, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

They have a swingers site?

You know, I couldn't watch my wife get smashed off by some other dude. But I'm not married either.

Probably as the years go along married folk have to find things and ways to stimulate each other. I guess the mission, the doggy, and the cowgirl can get a little played after awhile - with the same person. That's where the role play comes in, the S&M, the back door picks, and whatever else you're willing to try.

"Not Dr. Ruth, call me Dr. Knockboot" - Nas

Posted by: RedDMV | May 18, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm not dissing NASCAR, horse racing, track or any of the other "turn left only" sports ... I'm just making observations ... like Seinfeld ... only without the microphone, charisma, supporting cast, or talent.

Posted by: dcsween | May 18, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

sween your as least as talented as jean paul jean paul.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 18, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm not dissing NASCAR, horse racing, track or any of the other "turn left only" sports ... I'm just making observations ... like Seinfeld ... only without the microphone, charisma, supporting cast, or talent.

Posted by: dcsween | May 18, 2009 3:15 PM

or audience. What you're illustrating is that old expression "artificial pearls before genuine swine."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 18, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

dikshuttle - nice Fletch reference.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 18, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

thx Ryp - I was just echoing dlhaze, tho.

Gotta love Fletch. or... john cocktoastin

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 18, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

That's where the role play comes in, the S&M, the back door picks, and whatever else you're willing to try.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 18, 2009 3:15 PM |

None of that stuff works. I've always gotten a good response by offering her money. Some things never change.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 18, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad he's leaving. I just hope it doesn't increase his presence around here. He's not half as aclever as he thinks he is. His schtick is old.

Posted by: ridgely1 | May 18, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

t_e, money has and always will make the world go 'round.

just read Wilbon's chat transcript... In regards to Tk leaving MNF and no longer having PTI filimed at the site for MNF, Wilbon posts: "I liked being there for about 80 percent of the MNF games over those three years. I liked being able to just sit and listen to Joe T., to Jaws, to Emmitt and Steve Young and Michael Irvin and all the really smart, conversant people..."

Found it funny that Emmitt "Rice of Passage" Smith was included in that lists among those who Wilbon considers "Smart, conversant people".

LMAO! "Debacled" Smith, "conversant"??? Nay way...

Posted by: RedDMV | May 18, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

lot of folks sour on TK...

But one thing Wilbon posted in his chat that I sided with was: "Okay, I obviously know the TK/Monday Night news is considered huge, though I don't know why people are so damn fascinated over who's announcing the games. I've never and I mean NEVER tuned into a game or clicked one off because of who is announcing. Never Ever. That said, people are consumed with this stuff..."

It's just three dudes in the booth. Only the casual fan should care about whats being said by the commentary dudes. I would think that no one up here that posts regularly is a casual fan - we can be aware of whats going on ourselves.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 18, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"Just like horse racing is NASCAR for the Amish."


(INSERT Ricky Ricardo seal-like laugh.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 18, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

time to give Cindy some props up here. After all, she kicked Kornheiser to the curb first

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 18, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

If there's any shtick that's old, it's Wilbon being indignant about people caring about something he does not.

Wilbon has three settings, the race one, the nostalgia one, and the self-righteous one. This must be Monday.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 18, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

MOE'S INSTA-POLL:

The play at the plate made by Twins' catcher Joe Mauer during Sunday's game against the Yankees is the best tag at home since the Paris Hilton Sex Tape.

Select one of the following responses:

0 yes

0 no

0 maybe (I have to watch Paris do her 'thing' again before making a decision)

0 no basis for judgement

0 who is Joe Mauer?

0 can not vote as the team name "Twins" is offensive to anyone sympathetic to Octomom.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 18, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Jon Gruden eh?

Whats the over/under on how many F bombs he throws out there. That guy has more anger than my ex-wife...who al,so has all my stuff

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 18, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

moe, never seen the tape of PH, and frankly no desire to either, Mauer however is one of the best up and coming players in baseball, so I'm going with Joe....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 18, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

That guy has more anger than my ex-wife...who al,so has all my stuff

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 18, 2009 4:16 PM |

Yeah, but think about it like this. You can get new stuff. But she can never get another you. Better yet, you can marry someone with a lot of stuff and stuff better than hers. But your ex will probably never have another date in her life except maybe with a guy on social security.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 18, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

"Jermaine Lewis repping Eleanor Rooselvelt H.S. and the Terps as a track/football star has a nice Super Bowl ring to go with it."

I bet there more guys than him.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 18, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse


If he hasn't been mentioned, we should all be publicly flogged for not bringing up the likes of one Darrell Green as well.


Posted by: p1funk | May 18, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Bullet Bob Hayes

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 18, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Someone mentioned Darrel Green earlier, but I don't think he belongs in the conversation because although he ran track he played football as well, we're talking track guys with NO FOOTBALL EXPERIENCE. I remember back in his prime there was talk of Carl Lewis trying out for a team(was it the Cowboys? we're talking 1980's).Usually with a guy who has focused primarily on track and field it doesn't transition to football especially at the NFL level. To Moe, yes football requires more physical toughness than mental, which is crucial when running the 800 on up.

Posted by: 72Redskins | May 18, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Running at full speed on a track with hardly any clothes on is a lot different than running around in different directions
with bodies coming at you and flying around. I remember my first experience playing football, I think it took awhile(maybe a week?) just to get used to running around in helmet and shoulder pads. The main thing I remember was how much it seemed to slow me down. Got used to it though.

Posted by: 72Redskins | May 18, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

bean

"Mauer however is one of the best up and coming players in baseball"

I'd go with Mauer as well.

The guy made an awesome and instinctual play to tag out Brett Gardener who was balling towards home from second base after a Yankee batter bunted (?) the ball towards 1st base.

Mauer collected the ball, moved towards 1st, but didn't make the throw, opting instead to turn homeward just as Gardener was halfway down the third base line.

Mauer collided with Gardener to tag him out like a guy fighting for a fumbled football which brings up another and more relevant topic:

Which is easier, a footballer excelling at baseball or a baseball guy learning to play football?

We know the track guy-football guy argument.

What about the football-baseball guy argument?

BTW: I've seen the Paris Hilton tape.

That rich girl has some skill.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 18, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

From the RI: "Occasionally, we like to turn this space over to you for guest blogs. Today's comes from Ted Lorenz: ... ". Geeseth. Just what this blog needed - another Snyder hater, to make for a more well-rounded discussion forum. If this is the best that RI can do for guest blogging then they should just post Skins' daily PR flak until the Snyder hater pros such as JLC are back in harness.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 18, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

From the RI: "'MNF' Change: Gruden In, Kornheiser Out". Well, maybe the dude will have enough time on his hands now to pick up his dry cleaning. Heh, heh. Don't think for a nano second that it had anything to do with that "I Hate to Fly" shti.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 18, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon's comments reveal, once again, that he is a fraud and a hypocrite. For a man who hasn't done any reporting for a long time, who currently makes millions TALKING about sports, he should thank his lucky stars people are "fascinated . . . with this stuff." Instead, he chooses to dish more fake bluster by insulting his audience.

As for MNF, three-man booths are sub-optimal, and I don't like Tirico either. What are the chances a rookie like Gruden will be great right off the bat? So, net effect is MNF will continue its downward slide.

Posted by: rooster75 | May 18, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

"What's the over/under on how many F bombs he throws out there?"


The ESPN Sports brass will make sure Gruden keeps the F-flavored diaogue to a minimum.

But the insight he brings as someone leaving the coaching professional will be primo.

He knows the teams, the individual players, the schemes various teams run, and the strategy employed with everything from 'coach's challenges' to the new rules.

He's like a John Madden without the 'boom' and 'pow'.

And from what I've seen of him on the NFL Network, Gruden isn't as caught up in the annoying mythology/romance with players--like B Favre--like some announcers are.

And that's a Monday Night Football change we are indeed ready for.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 18, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Jessica Simpson, and her boyfriend, whatsisface, seen at the airport.

http://izismile.com/2009/05/05/jessica_simpson_at_the_airport_6_pics.html

Posted by: TheCork | May 18, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

After my last post I tried to post again and got a message that it wasnt' accepted because I'd posted too much! Come, back later, it said.

Posted by: TheCork | May 18, 2009 12:05 PM |

Don't say we didn't ask you nicely. You can't take a hint, can you Mr. Crock? Later, in your case, meant seven years. See ya'.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 18, 2009 12:53 PM

How smart are you T_E, when obviously they saw the error of their ways and re-opened the doors so I could post that they'd been closed before.

Unlike the Hubble repair, this aint' rocket surgery.

Posted by: TheCork | May 18, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Best MNF booth ever: Cossell, Dandy Don Meredith, and Frank Gifford.

No bout adoubt it.

Posted by: learnedhand1

The magic about it was it was like watching a game at a great bar.

Gifford was your best friend you went to the bar with.

Meredith was the funny bartender.

Cosell was the obnoxious A-hole at the end of the bar who knew everything.

Heroes and villains and laughter too.

Posted by: TheCork | May 18, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon's comments reveal, once again, that he is a fraud and a hypocrite. ...

Posted by: rooster75 | May 18, 2009 6:30 PM

Wilbon? Dude, did you means Tony Kornholer?

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 18, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Jessica Simpson, and her boyfriend, whatsisface, seen at the airport.

http://izismile.com/2009/05/05/jessica_simpson_at_the_airport_6_pics.html


Posted by: TheCork | May 18, 2009 6:33 PM

Great post. Obviously ol' Jess was dressed in such a way as to not attract attention.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 18, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Can we get Tony back writing for the Post? Best sports columnist we ever had...

Posted by: danmorrall | May 18, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

This is disappointing. Now we have to hear Gruden say things like "the guy is concrete cyanide"
WTF?
I guess Tony was getting a little old and dude wouldn't fly so I can see making a change but Jaws kissing Chucky's @ss is gonna grow old FAST

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 18, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

I love this move if it means more of Tony on the local stage. How about doing a local show instead of Mike and Mike on 980?

Posted by: jazapfsp | May 18, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

at least they;ll keep tirico's imput down.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 18, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

"Can we get Tony back writing for the Post? Best sports columnist we ever had...Posted by: danmorrall"

Tony Kornheiser a sports columnist?

He finished up in the Style section.

So I don't see how we could stick him the same category with Boswell.

Wilbon, sure, that's not really sports either.

Come to think of it, has the Post ever had a really first-rate football column?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 18, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

damn jess simpson got some tig ol bitties

Posted by: toohoes | May 18, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Kornheiser's attempt to make himself, and by Osmosis, Wilbon into sports personalities appears to have failed. Tony you just don't have the look ... you've got to either be "chick crack" like a Young, Montana, or yes, Mark Sanchez ... OR you have to be able to amuse / entertain males who revel in the SPIKE channel like Madden, Millen, etc.

You just don't have it dude.

Posted by: periculum | May 18, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Wow, and I thought that the winter was slow for RI. This has been a pretty lame series of posts.

While we are all waiting for something to happen, I have a question that some of you true football insiders may have the answer to:
-is there a good source of downloadable game level statistics. I am trying to use some new regression techniques (don't ask) for some FF type stuff. I would love to get week-by-week offensive player statistics, and just haven't found a good source. I could obviously download 1 player at a time at nfl.com or something but that would be boring. I'd be willing to pay of course. Any suggestions from the true insiders (or just someone who has a good idea)

Thanks regulars=

zornskins

Posted by: zornskins2 | May 18, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

damn jess simpson got some tig ol bitties

Posted by: toohoes | May 18, 2009 8:11 PM

Double D's, for sure!

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 18, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

"-is there a good source of downloadable game level statistics. I am trying to use some new regression techniques (don't ask) for some FF type stuff. I would love to get week-by-week offensive player statistics, and just haven't found a good source. I could obviously download 1 player at a time at nfl.com or something but that would be boring. I'd be willing to pay of course."

Elias, o'course. Used to be subscriber-based...don't know if still is.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 18, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

"This has been a pretty lame series of posts."


NEW RULE:

The next guy who disses the posts must 'step up' and drop some bombs for the people to show us how it's done.

Don't hate! Participate!

Hating the posting is like complaining about the rhyme-spitter and then refusing to pick up the mic.

Guys have beed hating on the posts all day then disappearing like good beer at a frat house.

To quote the great rap philosopher Flava Flav, "Show'us whatcha got, show'us, show'us what you got!"

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 18, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, It's about time! Kornhead was in over his bald head from the start. His brainiack attitude didn't play with Big Boy's! Ya got to love the bailout story! My only regret is that we are going to have put up with his non-sense on the local media once again!

Posted by: Spanglerg | May 18, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

NEW RULE:
The next guy who disses the posts must 'step up' and drop some bombs for the people to show us how it's done.
Don't hate! Participate!
Posted by: MistaMoe | May 18, 2009 9:40 PM

Agreed. In case people haven't noticed this isn't exactly the busiest time of the year for Redskins news and issues. Perhaps an in depth evaluation of the Redskins cheerleaders would soothe the savage blogging crowd. There's a worthy poll question: who's your favorite? This could take some thought.

Posted by: will_ga | May 18, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Here's an f*** bomb for you.

Posted by: glawrence007 | May 18, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

I am begging you to take down the pic of Edwin Williams Wapo. Enough days of having to see that ridiculous bandage on his head.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | May 18, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

This seemed inevitable from the start... I love Kornheiser and was so happy for him to get this gig, but it seemed doomed to fail. The constraints of working a live game, the absence of any real opportunity for argument or outrage (his bread and butter). I guess they were hoping some chemistry would emerge, but it just... didn't.

So you're TK and you're 60 years old... whaddya do? I'd be so happy if he gets back on the radio with Andy Polley, where he belongs. He's got PTI, he can do the radio, he never has to get on an airplane again.

I'd also love to see TK write once in a while for this here periodical, but I'd understand if that doesn't work out, what with the collapse of journalism as we knew it and all that. Those micro-columnettes or whatever they were at the end were kind of an embarrassment, given his body of work to that point. So hopefully not that.

I will always love TK for the Bandwagon and everything else he's given us over the years. Hell, I still think he's funny, and I care about what he has to say about things. So, too bad about MNF. On to something better, I hope.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 18, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Can we get Tony back writing for the Post? Best sports columnist we ever had...

Posted by: danmorrall

not even close. how in the name of Thomas Boswell could you forget Thomas Boswell?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 19, 2009 1:27 AM | Report abuse

It's true that the format of MNF did not play to Tony's strengths, but I still enjoyed hearing from him each week. And after seeing Gruden being introduced by Tirico tonight on ESPN, it is clear that Gruden is a slug - no different from any 20 other forgettable ex-coach commentators you could name. I wish ESPN had gone for someone a bit less predictable and a lot more interesting. And no, I do not mean Paul "Now Watch This!" Maguire.

Posted by: jaypem | May 19, 2009 1:54 AM | Report abuse

I think Sween or DikShuttle would be better than Chuckie (boy the likeness is remarkable).

Oh, or better yet, maybe The Cork, who kind of recalls Howard Cossell if you ask me.

(oh, sorry Cork, I didn't see your 6:45...really!)
:)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 19, 2009 2:57 AM | Report abuse

They should dump the other two also...

Posted by: KurtShanaman | May 19, 2009 4:19 AM | Report abuse

I liked Dan Dierdorf and Boomer Esiason. I loved how they hated each other and would argue over everything from the down and distance to the on field temperature.

When do they replace "JAWS?" or at least his glasses?

Posted by: LeftwithNochoice | May 19, 2009 4:45 AM | Report abuse

Hey T_E, I told you you had "little man's syndrome" 43 inches? No comparison to my 73 inch 1080i HD. All the better to watch Danny boy pound his fist while sitting in his press box. You know, anytime I want to read something completely rediculous I just scroll down the page and read your entries. Thanks!!!

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | May 19, 2009 6:54 AM | Report abuse

Mentally and physically tough rugby. No TV timeouts, no measurement for the first down, no incomplete passes and no pads or helmets.

As a sprinter running ladders was always so much fun. Had a sadistic track coach who was 6'9" and wore dark sunglasses all the time 35 years ago. He used to enjoy making kids suffer. I would get my revenge on rainy days when we played volleyball indoors. Nothing better than seeing him withering in pain from a nice spike. Surfers rule.

Posted by: sheepherder | May 19, 2009 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Tony stinks. He knows nothing about football and is fat, bald and arrogant.

Posted by: Matt251 | May 19, 2009 7:46 AM | Report abuse

TRUTH POCKETS KNOWLEDGE

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 19, 2009 7:51 AM | Report abuse

The Tony Experiment was star crossed and stillborn, nearly as hideous as the Dennis Miller debacle, which nudged into New Coke/Bay of Pigs territory on the Acme Fiasco-O-Meter.

Tony's fantastic on the radio and a usually solid, amusing columnist. He's pretty good on PTI, too, despite the relentlessly nasty Nabob of negativity Wilbon, who should be overnighted back to Chicago and banned from all broadcast frequencies.

I know they were trying to hire another Howard Cosell, but Tony was almost supernaturally ill-suited for the job, yet another preposterously conceived MNF disaster. We presume the broadcast executives guzzle a few pitchers of Martinis until they're all drooling, giggling hyenas, and then make these asinine hires - quick, before we sober up and regret it!

Tony was wise to "resign" or arrange the appearance of such prior to being canned.

Jaws knows the game and nobody studies film more desperately... but he still comes across as a slobbering dingbat.

MNF has again missed their chance to hire the 2nd coming of Dandy Don Meredith by not placing John Riggins in the booth.

Posted by: Tedskins1 | May 19, 2009 8:06 AM | Report abuse

You would put Millen in there? After his record w/the Lions? Are you serious? I mean, the whole point of having an "analyst" to contract the play by play guy and provide insight is voided when a guy who ran an already poor franchise into the ground with poor coaching and personel decisions for many years. Dude... Millen? Seriously? I thought it was a joke when he was hired as a "football" analyst. I mean, the guy must know something about the game to be where he is, and being a former player, but his credibility will always be questioned after the Detroit landslide.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | May 18, 2009 1:27 PM

I didn't say have him run the whole MNF production...he's an analyst. You can't deny he was very good as an analyst before his misadventures in Detroit. I've heard the argument that he's lost credibility, but that's not an issue as a GAME analyst where he'd only be breaking down the game itself. As a STUDIO analyst he will have lost credibility as the discussion would at some point turn to personnel decisions by a given team. But not for the in game stuff.

Plus NBC put him on TV for the Super Bowl coverage and took the brunt of whatever backlash there will be for putting Millen back on the air. Besides...this is ESPN we're talking about here. When you have such polished turds as Emmitt Smith and Lou Holtz and Sean Salisbury on your air, credibility isn't something you respect anyway.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 19, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Ok, I think we've hashed this out enough. So it's me, Cork & Sween in the booth this season.

... s'not a horrible idea actually - wanna try it, guys? Cork, you do play buhy play. Sween - you've got color. And I can spout non-sequitors as you two berate me. Awesome! Mebbe we should really try to do one some weekend, lol.
_______________________________

On a NEW topic: Watched some 'Skins Nation last night and I have to say, while I'm a little psyched for the season, the linemen looked REALLY LACKLUSTER. I didn't see anyone sweating or trying to bust out with anything.

Hey, it's early and I can't say I have anything to compare OTA activity to.. But how 'bout some FIRE, boys?!
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Today's listening assignment:

That Dog

Please forgive the wuss factor, but those are some sweet harmonies...

Rok rok AUN!

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 19, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

"....take down the pic of Edwin Williams Wapo. Enough days of having to see that ridiculous bandage on his head...."

Can we call the bandage a "brain tampon"?

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 19, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

"Jaws knows the game and nobody studies film more desperately..."

Got an idea: create a half time segment where Jaws goes to the tape, shows what one team's offense or defense is doing that's successful, and explain how a coach's "Half Time Adjustment" might counteract it.

example: Imagine the halftime of the stillers v. skins game where Jaws shows just how the stillers' blitz package was making things tough for JC and then show how Zorn might try to use formation/scheme to stop it.

It would be hardcore football for the hardcore and knowledgable fan.

A lot of the Tele-Strator diagramming is pointless. But putting what a team is doing in the context of a specific strategy
and explaining how it's affecting the overall game would be interesting.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 19, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

'twould be nice, Moe. 'twould be nice.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 19, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

I never knew Jack Bauer was a Muslim. JM220 should be proud......

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 19, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

I saw a Dan Dierdorf reference, so I can mention this...

Was watching the week 10 NFL Replays over the weekend. Dierdorf and Gumble were doing the Colts-Steelers game.

Palomolu ran right through the line and tackled the RB for a 2 yard lost. And Dierdorf then says...

'He ran through that line unmolested....'

Gotta love Dierdorf, one of my favs...

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 19, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Rihanna photos - not much to look at.

Kim K movie - eh, nothing great.

Paris - good performance, but she seemed reluctant. A-.

Pam/Tommy - good footage, but they are both intolerable.

Best I've seen was that Croatian singer, can't think of her name.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 19, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Hating the posting is like complaining about the rhyme-spitter and then refusing to pick up the mic.

Guys have beed hating on the posts all day then disappearing like good beer at a frat house.

To quote the great rap philosopher Flava Flav, "Show'us whatcha got, show'us, show'us what you got!"
Posted by: MistaMoe | May 18, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Shrink, shrink. Makes me think. Run to the sink, vomit. Clean it up with Comet.

Your world has officially just been rocked.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 19, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

And now for my review of the MNF lineup.

All of them don't belong. Tirico (who I really don't like as play by play guy right next to Joe Buck, Jaws (who doesn't get it any more right than other analyst who DOES NOT live at NFL Films), and Kornheiser (who never belonged in the 1st place).

There was absolutely nothing wrong with the original crew of Mike Patrick, Al McGuire (WATCH THIS!), and Theeesman.

I would also say that Theesman gets it right more often than Jaws. Which is probably a direct coralation to winning percentage and sucess while on the field.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 19, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Agreed, 4th.

Theisman and McGuire are insufferable by themselves but together, their bickering was magic.

Being an old school ACC fan, Patrick is the greatest.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 19, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 19, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Which part, etrod? The Philly Coarch?

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 19, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Patrick without Vitale next to him is tolerable. Paul Maguire now does college football on ABC. They put him out of the booth and on the camera cart where he belongs so you don't have to listen to him all game. He has a mic and throws in his opinion but I have seen his mic get cut off on at least a couple occasions.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | May 19, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

I like that Harrison also skipped it in '06 with W. At least we know he's not political, just selfish.

Downer about Johnson, though.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 19, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

My top 3 Football Play by play guys:

Pat Summerall, Al Michaels, Mike Patrick

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 19, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

I always thought Theisman was good too, as well as Kornheiser.

So did TK really get 'das boot' or does he need time to bring out 'The Bandwagon' this year?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 19, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

4thfloor: "I would also say that Theesman gets it right more often than Jaws. Which is probably a direct coralation to winning percentage and sucess while on the field....."

Since it's your opinion, how can we judge Jaws vs Joe until we know how often you get it right, so to speak? 'Cuz it could be that both you and Theisman are consistently wrong in the same way.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 19, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Comcast and the NFLN worked out a deal. Hopefully I can see some savings on my cable bill in the near future.

Posted by: TWISI | May 19, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Since it's your opinion, how can we judge Jaws vs Joe until we know how often you get it right, so to speak? 'Cuz it could be that both you and Theisman are consistently wrong in the same way.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 19, 2009 9:37 AM

MAybe, and I am not afraid to say that.

But, it was over for me when Jaws was dogging us @ Philly in '07 and was talking about lack of weapons and execution, and 1.5 seconds later, JC17 threw a TD pass to Coooley.

All of his credibilty fell off the planet in my book....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 19, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

As for MNF, three-man booths are sub-optimal, ...

Posted by: rooster75 | May 18, 2009 6:30 PM

Four guys at a counter down right sucks. In addition to clipping Mr. Kornheiser's wings, its time for Bettis, Tiki, Jimmy Johnson, Collinsworth, and Terry Mulletshaw to go. [And there has never been any reason to give Matt Millen a chair.]

Leave JB and Emmiss Smith, and start over with the rest. Frankly, just JB. Move Evvit Smidh to weather ("then a big old stationering front moves in for the weekend").

Posted by: dcsween | May 19, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Can't believe people are gassed over the lightweight sex tape from Paris Hilton...

That "encounter" was garbage... I did more kinky sh*t than that when I was a freshmen -- In high school.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 19, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

My top 3 Football Play by play guys:

Pat Summerall, Al Michaels, Mike Patrick

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 19, 2009 9:25 AM

I would replace Micaels with Greg Gumbel. He's easygoing and leaves all the extra stuff to the color guy. Michaels interjects just a tad too much for me. But I understand he does that because he's been in the game a long time...

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 19, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

"Paris - good performance, but she seemed reluctant. A-."

Some of us feel they perform better when they're just a tad reluctant, but want to please all at the same time.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 19, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Comcast and the NFLN worked out a deal. Hopefully I can see some savings on my cable bill in the near future.

Posted by: TWISI | May 19, 2009 9:56 AM

Dude, I hope you're not f'n around. That is GREAT news because I was seriously thinking about getting direct TV really soon.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 19, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Sween - The football night in america needs to go. I guess Costas will be gone since he is the Rich Eisen of MLBN.

Tiki is full of himself, which isn't saying alot because he has accomplished nothing special. Olberman is played out and no one really wants to hear about politics right before a football game unless it's coming from Frank Caliendo...

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 19, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I was a fan of Jerry Glanville myself...seriously

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 19, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Theisman rulz
Jaws droolz

Joe is one of my all time fave skins and I felt that he was great in the booth. Especially with Patrick/Maguire

Any redskins fan who pimps Jaws over Theisman is not a "real fan"...(hehe)

Also paris ain't my type but that side shot oral favors scene is very hot.

Posted by: chrislarry | May 19, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I forgot about Glanville on Fox. We had quite a few times during the Petibon/early Norv Years.

He was good....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 19, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Paris's movie was awful, she just laid there.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 19, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

RedDMV PFT has a post on it. I was getting ready to reluctently make that switch too.

Posted by: TWISI | May 19, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I think Costas has a deal to do both...

Frank Caliendo is the one of the unfunniest people to ever disgrace entertainment....he is carrot top without the props....the most obvious impersonations of all time. He makes rich little look like richard pryor.

Posted by: chrislarry | May 19, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Red - I agree - see my reviews above.

Trying to think of name of the Croatian singer... if you haven't seen that vid, check it out... better than anything we have out by American celebs anyway.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 19, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

The Paris tape is as a whole is dull...but I love a certain 3.5 minute segment. Sue me.

Posted by: chrislarry | May 19, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Verizon has the most sports channels compared to any cable tv outlet.

CBS Sports Network/NFLN/MLBN/NHLN,Yes Network/Fishing Network/Big Ten Network/ESPNU/Versus and about 5-7 more others.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 19, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Rapper named Dolla shot and killed at an upscale Mall called The Beverly Center in LA.

Just trying to enhance my street cred by pretending to know who he is. And wondering, wouldn't it have been a better idea to have shot Fiddy Cent twice?

Suspect arrested.

At least the murder was over something important, like who got their car first at the car valet. (That's true)

Posted by: TheCork | May 19, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

sorry for extra "is"...

Posted by: chrislarry | May 19, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

It would be hardcore football for the hardcore and knowledgable fan.

A lot of the Tele-Strator diagramming is pointless. But putting what a team is doing in the context of a specific strategy
and explaining how it's affecting the overall game would be interesting.

Posted by: MistaMoe

As long as it doesn't interfere with the celebrity visiting the booth hyping his new ABC series.

Posted by: TheCork | May 19, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Tony stinks. He knows nothing about football and is fat, bald and arrogant.

Posted by: Matt251

You forgot famous, successful, very rich and gets la!d more than you.

Posted by: TheCork | May 19, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Not sure if you already covered this, but be happy SANCHEZ IS NOT OUR QUARTERBACK! Dude already on the cover of the NYPost this morning, posing in GQ. Not what I'd want in my rookie quarterback, glad it's not my problem.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05192009/entertainment/fashion/flirty_sanchez_169939.htm

Posted by: AdamCr | May 19, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Theisman rulz
Jaws droolz

Joe is one of my all time fave skins and I felt that he was great in the booth. Especially with Patrick/Maguire

Posted by: Chrislarry

Redskins got some real bench strength. I've been impressed with Jansen as an analyst, Randle El is a guaranteed post-career broadcaster and Cooley was impressive when he co-hosted on NFL Net last week.

Posted by: TheCork | May 19, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Wilbon? Dude, did you means Tony Kornholer?

Posted by: AntonChigurh

I was referencing Wilbon's chat comments in the posts above mine. Sorry for not making that clear.

Posted by: rooster75 | May 19, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Hey T_E, I told you you had "little man's syndrome" 43 inches? No comparison to my 73 inch 1080i HD.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | May 19, 2009 6:54 AM

Wow, dude, you're like saying that yours is bigger than mine? Sounds like you're even more insecure than most of us had thought.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 19, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

... makes rich little look like richard pryor.

Posted by: chrislarry

Please for heaven's sake, do NOT put that comedy hack in the same sentence with a genius like Pryor.

Caliendo is better than Little, which aint' saying much. Little is a decent impressionist, but the next funny line he does will be his first.

Posted by: TheCork | May 19, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Curb the excitement about the excrement that is NFLN. They're not talking 'bout Sunday Ticket. You'll still need DirTV for that.

Though I'm praying that Fios will be able to pick it up before too long. Any idea how long the DirTV monopoly on Sunday Ticket lasts?

I'd ask WolframAlpha but that only works for actual nerds, not wannabe's like me...

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 19, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

calm down cork that was the point, creating contrast....please you don't have to prove how witty you are 24/7....ok?

and Rich Little is waaaaay funnier than Caliendo. And I firmly believe Rich Little is drastically unfunny.

Posted by: chrislarry | May 19, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Hey T_E, I told you you had "little man's syndrome" 43 inches? No comparison to my 73 inch 1080i HD.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | May 19, 2009 6:54 AM

Wow, dude, you're like saying that yours is bigger than mine? Sounds like you're even more insecure than most of us had thought.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 19, 2009 10:28 AM |

Okay, maybe not "insecure." Your issue might be simpler. Before you see a shrink, why don't you get a new Rx for your glasses or, at least, wash the crud off the ones you're wearing now? That might solve your problem.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 19, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Caliendo is only funny on improvised Radio.
Rich Little only has a career 'cause he looked like Nixon in the 70's.
Some of the shti on here is funnier than the lot of them.

You want FUNNY!? Pink Lady & Jeff, now THAT's funny. [ :-\

Speaking of "ehh" funny, anyone catch the SNL Shorts special this weekend? Belushi dancing on the casts' graves was just tragic. Some really interesting old stuff. New stuff was self-serving. And about as funny as Pink Lady & Jeff.

...though lately I just figured out Jeff's 'butt-steak in my nose' joke was a coke reference...so that was kinda funny in a 'Modern-Times' kinda way.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 19, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Was 'People being punched before eating' on the SNL special? Funniest thing I've seen on SNL in a while. (admittedly, I'm an easily entertained idiot)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILvkEHQPHHg

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 19, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

ugh, SNL just doesn't do it for me...none of that stuff is funny anymore

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 19, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Lazy Sunday and D*** in a Box are Samberg's best work.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 19, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

"Zombie Dance, believe in your dreams!"

Can't get much more engrish than that. Awesome.

I actually like the new direction for the show. Sure, they miss more often than hit, but at least they're trying again.

"SJK in a box" is classic.

I covered that at a wanna-be-gay poseur dance night in West Palm a couple holiday seasons ago. I actually had the gift box on my belt. At the end of the song I pulled out a foot long hot dog covered in catsup, feigned surprise, then sniffed it and took a bite.

There was about half a second of DEAD SILENCE, then the lights went out and a really bad edit of Depeche Mode started playing.

I hadn't had that much fun at a gig in a while.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 19, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Isn't it about time for another of those poll thingies? How about this one for today, Cindy:

Redskins Insider's official position on foreplay is:

1. A necessary evil.
2. A waste of time.
3. DIY.
4. Okay for the French, but leave me out.

If not that, then some controversial question about whether Clinton Portis or John Riggins will end up as the all-time greatest 'Skins running back.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 19, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Kornheiser was good. Chuckie will be a flat out dud in comparison.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 19, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Rapper named Dolla shot and killed at an upscale Mall called The Beverly Center in LA.

Just trying to enhance my street cred by pretending to know who he is. And wondering, wouldn't it have been a better idea to have shot Fiddy Cent twice?

Suspect arrested.

At least the murder was over something important, like who got their car first at the car valet. (That's true)


NOt True
He was actually followed to the mall and shot from a car while he was at the valet. I think he was laughin at the shooter's imitation spinners though.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 19, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

If not that, then some controversial question about whether Clinton Portis or John Riggins will end up as the all-time greatest 'Skins running back.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 19, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, but without a ring, CP doesn't come close. I've never been a big Riggo fan but he's head and shoulders above the rest of the Redskins' running backs. Right now CP is in the Stephen Davis/Terry Allen category. Big numbers but nothing to show for them.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 19, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

And the D*** in a Box follow-up Mother Lover is funny too.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 19, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

And the D*** in a Box follow-up Mother Lover is funny too.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 19, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I also like "I'm on a boat" w/T-Pain.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 19, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, but without a ring, CP doesn't come close.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 19, 2009 11:17 AM |

What's a ring got to do with it? Timmie Smith, as a rookie, scored two Super Bowl TDs and set a Super Bowl rushing record with 205 yards.

He's got a ring. Oh, and his career NFL stats are 3 TDs and 604 rushing yards.

He's out of the slammer now after his 30-month sentence for selling cocaine to an undercover police officer.

Ring, schming.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 19, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I really enjoyed reading Tony K's columns in the post. I found him annoying as an announcer. So much so, I held the remote in my hand as I watched the MNF games so I could mute the TV. He tried to dramatize everything as if he was writing his column. I wish him the best.

Posted by: pacnetw | May 19, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Matt Terl suggested on Redskins Nation last night that the skins may go after Boldin with additional cap room now. Dream come true. Please let that happen!

Posted by: brian58 | May 19, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Tim Smith has got nothing on Marcus Mason....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 19, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Matt Terl suggested on Redskins Nation last night that the skins may go after Boldin with additional cap room now. Dream come true. Please let that happen!

Posted by: brian58 | May 19, 2009 11:39 AM |

Your dream, my nightmare. Team already has a lot of receivers. My dream would be improving the offensive line.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 19, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Tim Smith has got nothing on Marcus Mason....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 19, 2009 11:45 AM |

This is so wrong. Can't you even read? I've already named four things that Mason doesn't have:

1. 604 rushing yards.
2. 3 NFL TDs.
3. Super Bowl Ring.
4. 30-months for dealing coke.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 19, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Matt Terl suggested on Redskins Nation last night that the skins may go after Boldin with additional cap room now. Dream come true. Please let that happen!

Posted by: brian58 | May 19, 2009 11:39 AM |

Your dream, my nightmare. Team already has a lot of receivers. My dream would be improving the offensive line.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Skins 2 weakest units are OL and WR. I'd like to have Boldin, but the OL is on frigging life support. If the added cap gets us a solid RT or RG, I'm good with that. If it allows us to get out from under Jansen's deal, I'm good with that as well.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 19, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Random Thoughts On Multiple Posts:

The certain "3.5 minutes segment" of the Hilton tape is indeed worth viewing.

But most 'adult film' is indeed dull without the fast forward button.

Tony Kornheiser's rise from the pages of the WA PO to MNF is an example of what happens when too much hot air gets in the wrong balloon.

Proof that God is a funny dude is George Carlin, Richard Pryor, Dave Chappelle, Bruce Bruce, Larry the Cable Guy, and Eddie Izzard.

Early "Entourage" and "The Tudors" are the only thing worth watching on cable.

Network news needs to just go away with newspapers and music radio soon to follow.

Proof that you're old is that you realize there are more people famous for doing nothing than something requiring true talent.

Finall, "He (Moe) knows nothing about football and is fat, bald and arrogant."

Sounds like someone knows too well.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 19, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

te-

50 years from now people will still remember Timmy Smith. CP will blend in to history.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 19, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

te, truth be told, no, I cannot read...hope you're happy now...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 19, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Moe- Check out East Bound & Down on HBO.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 19, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Moe- Check out East Bound & Down on HBO.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 19, 2009 11:59 AM

I just started watching this show. Very funny!!

Posted by: TWISI | May 19, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

The Office is the best show on TV right now.

Also, Colbert Report owns.


as for the best comedians, LARRY THE CABLE GUY is not funny!

Rodney Carrington >>>>> Larry The Cable Guy

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 19, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Kenny Powers is god!!

Posted by: FedorEm | May 19, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

"Sorry, but without a ring, CP doesn't come close. I've never been a big Riggo fan but he's head and shoulders above the rest of the Redskins' running backs. Right now CP is in the Stephen Davis/Terry Allen category. Big numbers but nothing to show for them.Posted by: Original_etrod"

You're not another one of those folks who only votes for players with big, showy rings on their fingers, are you? You realize that when it comes to evaluating individual achievements, that doesn't make sense, right?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 19, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

It's too early to judge CP vs. Riggins even though they show alot of comparrissons to date. Riggins didn't win his SB MVP until his 30s. But Portis has been one of the best RBs of the new centuary so far, though you would never know because the media doesn't hype the Redskins like other teams.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 19, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

You're not another one of those folks who only votes for players with big, showy rings on their fingers, are you? You realize that when it comes to evaluating individual achievements, that doesn't make sense, right?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 19, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I am, in fact, one of those folks. CP is a very good running back but thus far he has done nothing to distinguish himself from all of the other very good backs in the league. A superbowl ring would go a long way towards doing that.

Like CP, Riggo was a very good back in a league with a lot of other very good backs. What makes him stand out is that 4th and 1 play in SB 17. The image of him bursting through the line and racing for a TD in the 4th quarter to give the Redskins the lead for good stands out in the lore of Redskins history. CP has yet to do that.

There were lots of great backs who never won titles, like Gayle Sayers, Earl Campbell, Eric Dickerson, etc.. but would you put CP in that category? I wouldn't.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 19, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

te, truth be told, no, I cannot read...hope you're happy now...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 19, 2009 11:58 AM

Probably need new glasses. That's what your bonus points are for.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 19, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

spent a lot of my bonus points buying General Motors Stock, based on your recommendation.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 19, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I forgot about "East Bound and Down".

And "Weeds" was okay the 1st season, but I haven't seen it this year.

I'd give anything for a fifth season of "The Wire" even if it's bad.

Doncha really wonder if the young mayor dude ever gets a shot at running for governor? Does Cutty ever find a kid who can fight? Does Dukie ever find some self-esteem?

But I digress.

And for whatever reason, I can't get near the television to see the one show I hear rocks "Breaking Bad".

It's about a high school chem teacher who operates a meth lab to pay for his wife's medical work.

The guy who played the dad in Malcolm in the Middle--Bryan Cranston--plays the lead.

I hear it's good.

I'll watch anything up until baseball heats up and football starts.

Any thoughts?

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 19, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

spent a lot of my bonus points buying General Motors Stock, based on your recommendation.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 19, 2009 12:44 PM

I should have followed my own recommendation. I spent all mine on shares in Washington Mutual. And, at least you didn't follow 4th's recommendation. He spent all his on shares in Six Flags.

I think you can still trade your shares in for a GM dealership in Flint, Michigan. You've always wanted to be your own boss, haven't you?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 19, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

I'll watch anything up until baseball heats up and football starts.

Any thoughts?

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 19, 2009 12:53 PM

You're in luck: tonight and tomorrow are the season finales of American Idol. Rock on, Adam!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 19, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

And for whatever reason, I can't get near the television to see the one show I hear rocks "Breaking Bad".

It's about a high school chem teacher who operates a meth lab to pay for his wife's medical work.

I hear it's good.

I'll watch anything up until baseball heats up and football starts.

Any thoughts?

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 19, 2009 12:53 PM

It is good. Hilarious black comedy. One slight correction. He starts a meth supply business to pay for his own chemo and to leave his fambly with some $$$ after he is gone.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 19, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

methane gas tank supply will pay for chemo?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 19, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Dude, what is going on with Michael Vick? Are the Skins interested? This is the franchise that's closest to his hometown.

At the very least, the could use him as a KR & PR return man.

Posted by: friendofalobar | May 19, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Dude, what is going on with Michael Vick? Are the Skins interested? This is the franchise that's closest to his hometown.

Posted by: friendofalobar | May 19, 2009 1:19 PM

Let's hope not. Of all the needs on this team, Michael Vick ranks right behind Marcus Mason and just ahead of BeantownGreg. If we're close to his hometown, then maybe he'd like to buy season tix?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 19, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Moe, they have the fifth season of "the wire", it was the last.

When they do the multiple scene showing(usually done every season ending episode), I believe Dookie is shown shooting up, Carcetti is shown accepting the govenor nomination, and Cutty... I don't remember them showing him.

That time did something to him. Dude sort of looked at the kids that went to his gym kinda funny, if you know what I'm sayin...

But hell yeah, 'The Wire' is/was the best TV show of all time. It was the raw truth.

I'm watching season three on HBO demand.

Stringer Bell had to go, he had it coming, but it was still disheartening to see him go.

Brother Mouzone was that dude for real. Who could forget Prop Joe's comment on him: "Man, shoot, that ni**a got more bodies on him than a Chinese cemetary."

Prop Joe had it coming too, didn't understand the let down when he was aced. Dude was grimey...

Who are your favorite characters? Mine are: Avon Barksdale, Slim Charles, Stringer, Bodie, Weebay, Chris & Snoop, and of course McNulty.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 19, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

As for MNF, three-man booths are sub-optimal, and I don't like Tirico either. What are the chances a rookie like Gruden will be great right off the bat? So, net effect is MNF will continue its downward slide.

Posted by: rooster75 | May 18, 2009 6:30 PM

At one point MNF was a lard ass, a motor mouth and a nerd. Since then they have ditched the mouth and the nerd and the lard ass is probably being teed up at this very moment. So I don't see how you can say "MNF will continue its downward slide."

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 19, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Bring in Vick
Trade for Pierce
Trade Portis
Start Mason at RB

Championship

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 19, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Dude, what is going on with Michael Vick? Are the Skins interested? This is the franchise that's closest to his hometown.

Posted by: friendofalobar | May 19, 2009 1:19 PM

Let's hope not. Of all the needs on this team, Michael Vick ranks right behind Marcus Mason and just ahead of BeantownGreg. If we're close to his hometown, then maybe he'd like to buy season tix?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 19, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

They were just talkin bout this on espn first take. The "2 live stews" were going at Skip bout why does vick have to change positions if he wants to come back. It was a race thing, like "if trent dilfer got locked and wanted to come back would they ask him to play guard or te?" why can't vick come back as a qb?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 19, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Man, I'm bugged... How could I forget Omar. Totally didn't agree with his "side activities", but he was also that dude.

Speaking of how things turned out should they do another season... I wonder what happened to Kenard (boy that off'd Omar) and Michael -- he became the new Omar at the end of the series, shottie and all.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 19, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

why can't vick come back as a qb?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 19, 2009 1:30 PM

Because he wasn't that good as a QB, but people think he has skills that would work at other positions. Trent Dilfer wasn't that good at QB, but no one ever thought he could play any other position.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 19, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Who are your favorite characters? Mine are: Avon Barksdale, Slim Charles, Stringer, Bodie, Weebay, Chris & Snoop, and of course McNulty.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 19, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Lil' Michael was the truth. Bay was cool but Marlo was that dude. He gave people someone to root for(against at first) if you felt like you couldn't root for Omar cuz of the man luvin scenes (real talk I know a lotta people who say that).

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 19, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Love the smell of the steaming pile of hate coming from the New England area of the US...

Please, Bean, what player(s) do you gush over? Don't say 'any' becasue I know there is someone that you cream over -- we all do.

Who is yours?

Posted by: RedDMV | May 19, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Kenard got cuffed in the end sequence of the last episode I am pretty sure. You left out Marlo too. All the characters were great, hard to pick favorites.

Favorite scene for me though was when Chris and Snoop were creeping up on Bodie and he went out shooting on his corner till Michael slipped out the alley and killed him.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | May 19, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

East bound and down, the office, curb your enthusiasm, and breaking bad are all very good.

The Truth = Mr. Furley

Posted by: the_shocker1 | May 19, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, I didn't F with Marlo, don't know why, but I didn't. Marlo was who he was becasue of Chris & Snoop, especially Chris, dude was smart as sh*t. Seemed a step ahead of everyone, which was why Marlo was a step ahead of Avon. Chris had suspicions about Devonne (Chick Marlo booked in the club) before Marlo did.

You see once Chris & Snoop were gone, Marlo didn't have anyone in his corner. When Avon lost Weebay to that bid (Avon's "Chris"), you saw that Avon was STILL that dude, even in the bing.

Marlo had to go through Avon to get to the connect, remember?

Avon >>>>>>>>>>> Marlo, all day.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 19, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

red, not sure what you're speaking of, in regard to hate.

Vick, sure sign him to be a pr/kr guy, even though he's NEVER done it before. Doesn't seem like a smart move, not to mention the PR backlash from such a move.

Mason, my comments on him have been well known, call me when he gets his first "Regular Season" carry, because so far he's failed to make the Jets/Ravens and Redskins. Proof is kinda in the pudding on that one....

Pierce, is a running joke about how people can't get over the fact that he left, 5-FRIGGIN YEARS AGO!!!

Hope that helps...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 19, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

One rule I'd like to see changed. All vets who've been with a team for 8 years and more don't count 100% of the salaries against the cap. Starting at year 9, the cap hit for vets with a team goes down by 5% per year. A 10 year vet (ie Samuels) would only have 90% of is salary counting against the cap.

That encourages teams to keep vets for longer periods and gives the home team an advantage in free agency. Plus it creates a bias towards money going to solid vets, as opposed to rookies.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 19, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Avon >>>>>>>>>>> Marlo, all day.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 19, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

No doubt. I think Marlo had chris and snoop on a leash b/c of the work he put in: remembber the homocide cop telling greggs that marlo was the "devil in the flesh" or something like that in the first episode we started hearing about marlo?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 19, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

No doubt. I think Marlo had chris and snoop on a leash b/c of the work he put in: remembber the homocide cop telling greggs that marlo was the "devil in the flesh" or something like that in the first episode we started hearing about marlo?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 19, 2009 1:49 PM

Yep, 'cause that's where they mention Marlo's calling card: Two in the chest, one in the mouth. The exact way he iced Devonne -- too bad, she was righteous (good looking).

Posted by: RedDMV | May 19, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

"CP is a very good running back but thus far he has done nothing to distinguish himself from all of the other very good backs in the league. A superbowl ring would go a long way towards doing that.
Like CP, Riggo was a very good back in a league with a lot of other very good backs. What makes him stand out is that 4th and 1 play in SB 17. The image of him bursting through the line and racing for a TD in the 4th quarter to give the Redskins the lead for good stands out in the lore of Redskins history. CP has yet to do that.
There were lots of great backs who never won titles, like Gayle Sayers, Earl Campbell, Eric Dickerson, etc.. but would you put CP in that category? I wouldn't.
Posted by: Original_etrod"

I'm not contesting your evaluation of Clinton Portis. That's highly personal. And rhapsodizing about great performances in Super Bowl history, heck, that's a fan's prerogative.

My only problem is that it isn't logical.

You mention Riggins. Suppose he'd stayed with the Jets and never made it to that career-defining Super Bowl. Would he be a lesser RB?

He'd be less fortunate, definitely.

Right now, there are in the neighborhood of 345 RBs on active rosters in the NFL. Of those, maybe only 4 (or 1%) will get carries in this year's Super Bowl. They're the only ones who'll have the opportunity for a breakthrough performance like Riggins'.

There are around 3,500 RBs who played in the NFL, and only 43 Super Bowls, right? Many -- in fact, most -- of the great RBs never played on a winning Super Bowl team.

Rather than asking if Portis is as good as Gale Sayers or Earl Campbell or Eric Dickerson, we should ask: is he as good as Willie Parker or Edge James? That'd be a big yes, I think.

Rings are as much about opportunity as about performance. You can evaluated teams by their play in Super Bowls. Individuals are much harder.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 19, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

You can't like Stringer Bell and Avon. You had to choose a side because they were going sepearate ways.

No one up here likes MArlo, because he represents a young kid on the come up trying to take over an established dude's territory. And none of us are young dudes, so we gravitate more towards Barksdale.

WeeBee's son was a sucker. Michael was the truth. (He is also good on the new 90210 but that will be the last I mention it before I get talked about for watching it).

Snoop was that type person you love to hate. Chris was that general any true army needs.

And Slim Charles was a DC dude who couldn't act like he was from Bmore. But atleast he stayed real with in the character by offing Method Man at the end, irregardless of the fact they needed him re-up money....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 19, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

My god what is it about this town? The NATS may be in more desperate straits than the REDSKINS and WIZARDS combined!? The Lerners are far wealthier than Snidely Owl, you would think they would be able to field a winner with Kasten at the helm.

DC = FUBAR

Posted by: periculum | May 19, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

needed him 'for' his re-up money...

Was what I meant to say...

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 19, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

bean... it's all good. But you gotta get in touch with your inner M&M. He's destined for greatness...

I like Vick because he's from VA (VA all damn day!), and he's an example of what can happen when you put too much stock and trust in so-called "friends".

Dudes were more than willing to share "The Life" with Vick, but when they had those years staring down at them, they rolled on him. Pathetic. I hate snitches, not tellers, it's a difference.

You have no arguments here with Pierce. None. I've been said it's time to move past that. Agreed on Pierce.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 19, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

The Lerners are far wealthier than Snidely Owl, you would think they would be able to field a winner with Kasten at the helm.

Posted by: periculum | May 19, 2009 1:59 PM |

The Lerners, not Snyder, are the real owners from hell. They want to take money in at the gate, but they don't want to pay any players. Snyder would spend every cent he had if he could.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 19, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

The Lerners, not Snyder, are the real owners from hell. They want to take money in at the gate, but they don't want to pay any players. Snyder would spend every cent he had if he could.


Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 19, 2009 2:03 PM

Agree on that.

(Still holding on to my shares of a delisted six flags stock. Wonder what I can get for them?)

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 19, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Gruden might only last one year on MNF. He a WCO dude and there an owner that trying to make his team into a WCO.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 19, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

WeeBee's son was a sucker. Michael was the truth. (He is also good on the new 90210 but that will be the last I mention it before I get talked about for watching it)
Posted by: 4thFloor | May 19, 2009 1:58 PM


I bet the sucker didn't watch 90210

had to do it

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 19, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Honk. Honk.

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 19, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

If Marlo= Capone, then Chris = Frank Nitti

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 19, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

red, the day MMason gets his first real yard in an NFL game call me. He's the real deal in preseason, no doubt, but when it comes to making the big-boy squad, he's o-fer...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 19, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

"You can't like Stringer Bell and Avon. You had to choose a side because they were going sepearate ways." - 4th

Agree to disagree, 4th. There was a time where they were really tight. And even toward the end, they still had mad love for each other. You can tell when Slim Charles is talking to Avon about Stringer's death ("We fight on that lie" -- all time line from the series) - he felt bad about it, although he gave him up to Omar.

That scene when they're on the roof is really somber, becasue they were in effect saying 'bye' to each other. Both had already rolled on the other (String/Maj. Colvin & Avon/Mouzone). String kept telling Avon that they didn't have to dream anymore -- sort of saying that 'we made it, end this war with Marlo", and Avon kept telling String to relax -- wanting to just be boys again, even if it was Stringer's last hours breathing.

Another scene where they had finally saw where the other was coming from is where Stringer is sitting looking at college loan paper work on the table, and knocks them off in fustration after he realized that Clay Davis basically stole 250K from him. Avon actually said "String was right. F Marlo, F this war." -- It was all too late, String was dead, and the cops raided his safe house that night sending him back to jail while on parole -- for the next 20-25 years.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 19, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

String snitchin was unforgivable. he was on power moves for a while and that earned him a lot of respect. But he got caght up in his own mission (clay davis, real estate, legit way out). That wasn't their plan, it was his plan. sure avon was set on going to war but that seemed more consistent with his angle during the whole series. String switched up not Avon. That's why when Avon turned on String he stuck by the code. When string turned on avon, he crossed the line. Maybe you coulda loved 'em both before the snitchin, but not after.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 19, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

String knocked off his nephew and was hittin Deandre's girl. He had a couple strikes against him. Snitchin puts him out of my list of fave characters.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 19, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

but he does kill on the office

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 19, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Would be great if Mr Tony could comment on this thread regarding the Redskins Mascot (and a well meaning young lawyer):

http://abovethelaw.com/2009/05/quinn_emanuel_redskins_reservations.php?show=comments#comments

Posted by: tslats | May 19, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

So String loses respect for trying to go legit a little bit (he wasn't going all straight because he still in the Co-Op) but Avon keeps his street cred by giving up String to his enemies Omar and Mouzone so they don't come for him? Both of them were grimy street dudes who would do whatever to whomever if it meant getting ahead. That's what I loved and hated about the show at the same time - it showed that no one in that life gets out clean.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 19, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

So String loses respect for trying to go legit a little bit (he wasn't going all straight because he still in the Co-Op) but Avon keeps his street cred by giving up String to his enemies Omar and Mouzone so they don't come for him? Both of them were grimy street dudes who would do whatever to whomever if it meant getting ahead. That's what I loved and hated about the show at the same time - it showed that no one in that life gets out clean.


Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 19, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Tru,tru tru
No one comes out clean, but my gripe with string was B&B was about hustling. Avon didn't sell out string for legit biz interests. He did what he had to do to keep his biz running, wheather that meant warring with Marlo(unsuccessfully) or allowing brother mouzone( an ally) to get fair retribution against string for lying on him to omar about one of omar's boyfriends murder and thus maintaining the out of town connect.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 19, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Matt Terl suggested on Redskins Nation last night that the skins may go after Boldin with additional cap room now. Dream come true. Please let that happen!

Posted by: brian58 | May 19, 2009 11:39 AM |

What additional cap room?

Posted by: notthecrochunter | May 19, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Great news, he added nothing to MNF.

Posted by: jmy999 | May 19, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Hey T_E, I told you you had "little man's syndrome" 43 inches? No comparison to my 73 inch 1080i HD.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | May 19, 2009 6:54 AM

Wow, dude, you're like saying that yours is bigger than mine? Sounds like you're even more insecure than most of us had thought.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 19, 2009 10:28 AM |

Okay, maybe not "insecure." Your issue might be simpler. Before you see a shrink, why don't you get a new Rx for your glasses or, at least, wash the crud off the ones you're wearing now? That might solve your problem.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 19, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

T_E responding to his own response. Classic. Sounds envious, doesn't he?

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | May 19, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

I love how the network allowed Tony Kornheiser to say it was because he "doesn't like to fly." Give me a break...no one was more despised on MNF than Kornheiser. I can't believe it took them that long to throw his ass out. It is obvious this guy never played a down of orgnaized football in his life. What an embarrassment to the sports world...good riddance.

Posted by: milsbest90 | May 20, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

At one point MNF was a lard ass, a motor mouth and a nerd. Since then they have ditched the mouth and the nerd and the lard ass is probably being teed up at this very moment. So I don't see how you can say "MNF will continue its downward slide."

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 19, 2009 1:28 PM

Perhaps I was too busy surfing the web and texting to notice the exact moment, but MNF shed its luster along the way. Maybe it is just a sign of the times, but MNF is no longer the only show in town - OK, it's the only game on Monday night, but that's about it. The program can no longer legitimately claim to be the bedrock institution that ESPN so desperately wants it to be. I don't care how reverently Tirico speaks of it, MNF is like an aging action hero looking for one chance to save the world.

I mean, MNF got bumped off network TV, for goodness sakes. ESPN can swagger like the behemoth it has become, but it is still not free network TV. Of course, you may argue that network TV is no longer as exalted as it once was either.

NBC has Sunday night games, and the NFL Network has Thursday night games, so you have different national prime time slots jockeying for the best games. To whom would the NFL rather give the best games? ESPN, or its own fledgling network? I don't know the answer, but judging by some of the stinkers that have aired on Monday night recently, we can clearly see that the best games are no longer guaranteed to be "here on Monday night."

I don't want to say that MNF can't ever be great again. That would be too cynical, even for me. Also cynical is the notion that there is no originality left in this world. PTI, starring our man himself, blows that notion out of the water, like a Navy SEAL taking on Somali pirates. Unfortunately, Kornheiser's star turn on PTI just sharpens the contrast with his flop on MNF.

But back to my point, how about making MNF great for the world we live in today? How about not trying to recapture the past by trotting out Kornheiser as the second coming of Cosell, but making the product fresh and in tune with the audience today. Retro only works when it is not taken literally.

There's plenty of smart folks working at ESPN, way smarter than I am, but they need to figure out how to make MNF relevant in today's media and entertainment environment. And not in a Dennis Miller kind of way. Am I asking too much?

Posted by: rooster75 | May 20, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

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