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Mock Draft (Made For TV)

Let me preface this by saying that as a rule I can't stomach mock drafts. I find them tedious and irrelevant, as odious as Power Rankings in Week 2 and all of that "braketology" nonsense that begins around Thanksgiving. Whole lotta talkin', but ain't sayin' nothing.

So, as the complete hypocrite that I am, I'm nonetheless participating in one of these mock fallacies this morning on TV. It's one of those deals where a media schlub in each NFL city says who that team will select with its pick. With the Skins picking 21st, I am at the mercy of the previous 20 schlubs. And in the end we all know that the draft itself will never play out precisely in this manner - or perhaps even close to it - and that the draft is a dependent exercise based around myriad in-the-moment decisions like trade options, available talent remaining, ability to trade up or down in later rounds, etc.

That's generally why I think all this is a waste of time. Mock drafts are, however, a way to kill the few weeks of boredom built into the never-ending NFL calendar, so despite my personal aversion the MD, I fully understand the appeal and hey, whatever gets you through the night (or early April) is cool with me. Generally though, they amount to nothing, as not even many of the team themselves will be 100 percent certain of their pick until the seconds are clicking away on their time on the clock.

With that out of the way, I turn, as always, to the bloggy faithful. Here's what I have to work with. The following players are off the board, as it were, when I pick for Vinny's Vendettas (we need to come up with a better Cerrato-tinged nickname for the team; email all suggestions and I'll pick the best, or at least the best that won't get me fired for posting on the blog).

The top 20 "picks" :

Chris Long
Jake Long
Glenn Dorsey
Vernon Gholtston
Sedrick Ellis
Darren McFadden
Aqib Talib
Matt Ryan
Phillip Merling
Leodis McKelvin
Malcolm Kelly
Rashard Mendenhall
Ryan Clady
Sam Baker
Derrick Harvey
Mike Jenkins
Jeff Otah
Chris Williams
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
DESEAN JACKSON

Let's see. The Skins would love to get a stud D Lineman, but 6 of them went in the top 15 picks. Should the board truly resemble this when pick 21 comes in a few weeks, I believe the Skins will have looked into trading up for an end like Merling or Harvey. The temptation to take a DL like Calais Campbell might be there, but his stock is falling (Cerrato's main man John Palermo, the new D Line coach, worked with Campbell at Miami). Two Wrs with some good size - Devin Thomas and Limas Sweed - would be on the board as well, but in this draft only two Wrs have come off the board and you could still get a comparable talent in the second round, moving up from 51 if need be.

In this case, I think the Skins would be looking to deal down, as they want to find quantity and quality in this draft (good luck with that), but should they chose a player here (and for the purposes of my little TV exercise, they have to), I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt. I'm going to say that after years of letting supreme talent get away from them in their own backyard (look at all the Maryland Tech and UVA kids they have passed on over the years), they are going to take the best available player here and nab Branden Albert, the versatile O Lineman from Virginia.

The O Line is way old in the tooth and injuries have been crushing in recent years. The tackles are not getting any younger and guys like Thomas and Jansen have been unable to avoid freakish injuries the past few years. Albert could push Kendall for a guard spot right away or, given what some scouts have told me about his ability to play tackle, push Jansen as well on the right side. He could be groomed as a guard/tackle and perhaps be the guy to take over for Samuels in a few years at the all important LT spot. Yeah, he's just a junior and he'll be raw, but the idea of being able to fix everything immediately and win the Super Bowl every year has not worked and this would be a chance to get a potential cornerstone.

Again, in the end, this is fruitless, as there is no way in heck I see Albert being on the board at 21. So you guys tell me if I'm crazy? Do they have to take a WR here? Will you thrown eggs at your TV when my ugly mug pops up on TV making this selection (some of you probably make a habit out of this whenever you see my face regardless).

Also, for what it's worth, the Redskins began their draft "readings," or initial prep work, this week, without Cerrato, who was at the NFL meetings. Some in the building found that odd, given that this team is now 100 percent Cerrato's show, the entire football ops. Some former coaching candidates wanted to begin the draft readings a week earlier, knowing Cerrato would be away for the NFL meetings this week, but it's his baby, and his schedule, so the very capable Scott Campbell oversaw everything with the coaches and drafts thus far this week.

The Redskins also have their huge workout for all the local kids eligible for the draft - kids who played high school or college ball in the area - coming up, which they have placed increasing import on in recent years (guys like Buzbee and Westbrook came from there), and Cerrato will be present for that, I am told.

Okay, gotta jump in the shower and get to the studio. Cheers.

By Jason La Canfora  |  April 3, 2008; 9:41 AM ET
 
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Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 3, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I agree with this 100%. This thread starter is essentially a re-cap of what several of us (i.e., the mock draft mockers, plus the Branden Albert lovers ... well, me and 4th Floor anyway) have been saying for weeks.

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

My pick is Albert.

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 3, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

With the top 4 DEs gone, I would go CB Aqib Talib.

Posted by: jespider89 | April 3, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

greg, continuing your point from the last blog, i agree that we are much more solid at tackle than guard. i think we should draft a starting guard who can also play center (as opposed to a guard who can also play tackle).

I also think samuels is going to last alot longer than jansen on this team (at least as a starter). samuels is a beast. i hope he can stay on (atleast as a backup) until he's 40 like ray brown.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 3, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Among other things, however, I agree that Albert will not be available then, and that the Skins therefore should trade down into the second round if they can ... in an attempt either to get Devin Thomas, WR/MSU or that DE from USC.

Ideally, there would be a 6'5" eunuch center available, but unlikely.

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

However, I would start him at guard and move him to tackle once we "groom" guards picked in the later rounds.

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 3, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

I guess drafting someone that was already drafted is against the rules..OK, no Talib.

Posted by: jespider89 | April 3, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I would not be happy with a WR given the bust rate, and that none of the guys at that position in this draft are that exciting.

DE is #1, but I wouldn't mind taking a CB if McKelvin or Talib falls. Springs is old, and Rogers is sill hurt, and Smoot is not worthy of starting. OL I also think would be fine.

Now, what if a guy like Otah falls to us? I think Jansen is close to finished, so might be time to make a change there.

Posted by: jonkelman | April 3, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Kerzon,

I will use the other half of the brain and go with Albert as well.

Posted by: kmdp4 | April 3, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Agree, Albert will not be available. However, if he is gone, someone from this list would be available. Stay away from WR in 1st and pick up a DL or CB from this list.

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 3, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

dcsween,

Greg and I have been saying Albert as well but to be honest there is no way he will be there at 21, so we are now hoping one of the DE falls to us, either Harvey or Merling.

Posted by: kmdp4 | April 3, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Also, even though now that the proverbial cat is out of the bag (i.e., Albert as logic) on this thread (which I'm betting pft will pick up and blab to the world), I request/propose/beg that you (Jasno) participate in a massive disinformation campaign and make your Skins pick based ONLY on BPA, which includes RBs/QBs/LBs/TEs (i.e., positions that look AOK right now). Stick with the "local boy" theme and go for Erin Henderson as the underhyped local jewel.

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Jason, totally agree with you. In my opinion, they should spend their first three picks in restocking both sides of the line. Do not, do not take a WR in the first round.

Posted by: b_standig | April 3, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Kerzon,

Agreed if Albert is gone and niether of the DE's are there I would take CB, no WR in the first you can get a good WR in the 2nd.

Posted by: kmdp4 | April 3, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

kmdp4, AOK. I tend to breeze through the draft prospect posts up here, esp. the repeated calls for Jordy Nelson.

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

kmdp4, the brain is working in sync.

b_standing, I think we should go WR in 2nd especially with the comp. 3rd round pick and draft Jordy Nelson (sorry dc). My take is:

1 DE/CB depending on who is available
2 Jordy Nelson
3a OL
3b OL

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 3, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I also like the USC DE Jackson in round 2, which would mean OL is the way to go round 1.

What about Kentwan Balmer the DT at #21? Montgomery is a beast, but Griffin is aging, and not sure Golston will ever be more than a running down guy. I haven't seen him, so have no opinion on him.

Posted by: jonkelman | April 3, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

While I don't think Albert will be there, I'm starting to think that Merling will be. Given his lack of workout, and his injury, he's flying below the radar, which is good for the Redskins. I think minus the injury, he'd go in the 12-17 range, but because he's now injured, he'll drop down a couple spots.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 3, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

dc,

What is wrong with Jordy Nelson that guy is a beast at WR, and he can return punts, your not hating because he is a white WR are you. LOL Don't let the skin color full you that kid has wheels.

Posted by: kmdp4 | April 3, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Ok, so JLC does great work. But are we going to hear about every little thing that Cerrato does that JLC thinks does not fit the norm for what a GM should be doing? It seems like he has some "inside sources" that don't like/respect Cerrato, so all they feed him is critical information.

I totally agree that Cerrato has to be held to a high standard, since it is now his show. But for rizzle dude, give the guy a chance! Let's wait until after the first game at least before we start the criticism, implicit or otherwise.

Posted by: hithere1 | April 3, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

I agree Merling will fall, and if he is there and Albert and Harvey are gone he is my pick. They do not need to trade up to get anyone that would be stupid.

Posted by: kmdp4 | April 3, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I don't know... I can't get excited about mock drafts. Its like the holy grail of sports dorks. Filling out march madness brackets is fine. You can fool around with fantasy football or baseball (fantasy golf is pushing it) and not quite breech the threshold of dorkiness. But something about mock drafts feels excessive. Just like bracketology.

Not passing judgment, just admitting my shortcomings up here. I acknowledge I am a blog dork and get guff from my girlfriend and roommates. Guys in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks.

Posted by: Dorf | April 3, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

If Branden Albert is still there at #21, we grab him! He is getting rave reviews on every sports show I watch (and there are many). However, he will not be there...in fact, both Mike Mayock and Charles Davis (NFL Network) have now moved him up to their Top 5 picks!

I say CB or DE. Based on everything I've heard Vinny say, he will not be picking a WR at #21. Probably 2nd or 3rd round.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 3, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

If this were the way the draft was I would jump on the chance to pick Albert here.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 3, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

hitthere1,

JLC is not a Cerrato fan so everything he does that JLC thinks is wrong will be posted. I think Vinny has good scouts and he does not need to be up there @ss all the time. He needs to let those guys come up with a good draft board and go from there. In the end he will make the calls, but all GM's use a scouting team for advice and info.

Posted by: kmdp4 | April 3, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

kmpd4, its nothing about Jordy Nelson in particular ... its just the certainty and near unanimity about a WR slotted anywhere from 10th to 20th in the draft among the mock draft-tracking bloggership who hang on the publicly-available scouting reports as if they were objective reality. That said, I also agree with Jasno that mock drafts are a fun way to kill time during the month off btwn the start of free agency and the draft ... a way to avoid the tedious distractions of stuff like the NCAA tournament and yard work (and actual work).

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I totally agree that Cerrato has to be held to a high standard, since it is now his show. But for rizzle dude, give the guy a chance! Let's wait until after the first game at least before we start the criticism, implicit or otherwise.

Posted by: hithere1 | April 3, 2008 10:35 AM

First game?!?!? Way too long. MAYBE the first round ...

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

As far as getting the draft boards started without Vinny around, it's not a bad idea. The coaches and scouts get their recomendations together and then give them to Vinny so he's got the right place to start from. Just my opinion.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 3, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Re: Jordy Nelson, I meant slotted btwn 10th and 20th among RECEIVERS.

There was a time when the mock draft crowd was groaning and moaning about missing the chance to pick Mike Williams. [It was the draft when we got Carlos Rogers.] The history of Mike Williams alone has made me a complete skeptic not only of mock drafts, but of slotting wide receivers at all. [Actually, Marques Colsten's history establishes the same point.]

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

scamp, I had the same thought. Seemed like Jasno was having a Jasno morning with a bit of info to report and, after another night of the living Rocco, probably only had one way to spin it. Based on my own biases regarding past decision-making processes in the Skins' FO, it made sense to have the scouts and coaches (i.e., football guys) gather to jawbone for a while first.

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

dc, Nelson has nothing close to a first round grade, so the bust-factor is lessened, somewhat. Also, Nelson has the best hands of the wide-outs in this draft.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 3, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

greg(b), there are other publicly available scouting reports that say Earl Bennett (Vandy) has the best hands in the draft.

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

dc, give me some info on this Bennett cat?

How big/fast is he?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 3, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

From the one game I watched Nelson play (Kansas v. Missouri), he looked great. My point has nothing to do with Jordy Nelson specifically. If the Skins pick him, I'd be pleased ... assuming they picked right (i.e., reserving the right to exercise 20/20 vision if not). I'm for the jersey, not the guy (except for the guys who fill the jersey real well ... like Sellers or Portis or Landry or Cooley). My point has to do with mock drafts and reliance on publicly-available scouting reports. Maybe we just agree to disagree.

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Full Name: Earl Bennett
Born: March 23, 1987
Hometown: Birmingham, AL
Height: 6-1
Weight: 202 lbs. Age: 21
Pos: WR
Class: Junior

REC 75 | YDS 830 | TD 5
Profile Stats Game Log


Receiving Stats
YEAR TEAM REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST
2005 VAN 79 876 11.1 41 9 0 0 0
2006 VAN 82 1146 14.0 77 6 0 0 0
2007 VAN 75 830 11.1 54 5 0 0 0

Posted by: kmdp4 | April 3, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Name: *Earl Bennett
College: Vanderbilt Number: 10
Height: 6-0 Weight: 209
Position: WR Pos2:
Class/Draft Year: Jr/2008
40 Time: 4.48 40 Low: 4.43 40 High: 4.56
Projected Round: 2-3 Stock:
Rated number 9 out of 337 WR's 65 / 2540 TOTAL

Combine Results Pro Day Results
Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 5114
Weight: 209
40 Yrd Dash: 4.48
20 Yrd Dash: 2.56
10 Yrd Dash: 1.47 225 Lb. Bench Reps: 15
Vertical Jump: 26
Broad Jump: 09'02"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.22
3-Cone Drill: 7.15

Before Combine: Hgt: 6006, Wgt: 205, 40YD: 4.48-4.52-4.62

Draft Scout Snapshot: 2007: All-Southeastern Conference first-team choice by the league's coaches and Associated Press...Biletnikoff Award semi-finalist (nation's top receiver)...Ranked second in the conference and led the team for the third consecutive year with 75 receptions for 830 yards (11.1 avg) and five touchdowns... Carried ten times for 22 yards (2.2 avg) and attempted two passes...Gained 72 yards on five punt returns (14.4 avg) and recorded 30 points...Totaled 924 all-purpose yards, an average of 77.0 yards per game...Fumbled the ball four times, but the Commodores were able to recover each of those miscues...Gained over 100 yards receiving in the Richmond and Mississippi contests.

Posted by: kmdp4 | April 3, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather take Nelson, he's got the size advantage, and is just as fast. I think Nelson would bring more versatility to the team as well.

Just my .02....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 3, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

DC,

I agree that MD are a bunch of crap, and public scouting reports are just as bad. I like Nelson because I watched him play against some good competition and he played well. Plus I would rather take a chance on him then a reciever in the first round.

Posted by: kmdp4 | April 3, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

i gotta say picking albert would be the smartest thing to do. get a WR then a DB and A DL with the next 3 picks would be ideal.

Albert's got the size and the smarts to play OLine and having him learn under Bugel would be key to his development. Even if he only learns from him for 1 year. I like this pick a lot. If not OL then go DL.

Posted by: goskinsgo | April 3, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Dc, Greg,

Bennett looks good as well, but I would still take Nelson first. If he is not there in the 2nd then I would go with Bennett.

Nelson can replace ARE on punt returns.

Posted by: kmdp4 | April 3, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Ok, so JLC does great work...

Posted by: hithere1 | April 3, 2008 10:35 AM

Huh??

There is a reason he is called Jasno.

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 3, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

i've seen a couple mocks (sportsline and one of the ones on hailredskins.com) that have albert going to carolina. it was interesting to see the ripple effect that that had and one mock had merling falling to us and the other had harvey doing so. I don't think harvey falling that far is likely, but i can see merling.

but what if someone wanted to trade up with us to grab merling... knowing we would want merling would undoubtably increase the offer that team made. so, the question is:

If merling fell to us, would you draft him or trade down?

this draft is especially deep in CBs, DLs and WRs in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Personally, i don't think there is ANYONE in the first round (even players slated to go in the top 15) that is valuable enough that I wouldnt pass on them for the opportunity to trade down... given a reasonable offer of course. Specifically, if a team with a top 10 pick were to offer us a 2nd and a 3rd, i would do the deal and not think twice about it.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 3, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

"The tackles are not getting any younger"

I've been told this epidemic has struck almost the entire team.

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | April 3, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Note: Though Earl Bennett was a semi-finalist for the Biletnikoff Award, Jordy Nelson actually won that award.

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Ok, so JLC does great work...

Posted by: hithere1 | April 3, 2008 10:35 AM

Huh??

There is a reason he is called Jasno.

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 3, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Agree.
If Albert isn't there, perhaps one of these guys is:

Jeff Otah
Chris Williams
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie

they would be equally good picks too.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 3, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Danm, I am turning into poolman!


SETH, I would trade down if it is early in the second and get another third as well.

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 3, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Seth, if someone gives the Redskins a 2 and a 3 for the #21, thats called winner winner chicken dinner. Hypothetically we'd have 5 of the first 90 picks. DL/CB/WR/OL/OL, is how I'd roll.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 3, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

"The tackles are not getting any younger"

I've been told this epidemic has struck almost the entire team.

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | April 3, 2008 11:11 AM

I can relate to this ... I have confession to make to the blog ... I am not getting any younger either. On a related note, gravity is not just a good idea, its the LAW.

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3326416&categoryId=2459789

A ote to Danny and Vinny :

Please don't trade for this guy. He truly is a locker room cancer and really is like a big baby. Yes he has talent, 30 year old talent with 13 year old mentality.

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | April 3, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Kiper has Albert going at #5 as well. He probably won't be there at 21.

In order of preference
1. Albert if he's there - likely won't be
2. Trade down for more picks
2. WRs Thomas or Sweed
3. S Phillips
4. DE Campbell

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | April 3, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

PLEASE dont draft a WR in the first round. Its bad luck for the Skins always (Desmond Howard, Mike Westbrook, Rod Gardner). The last time it worked out was 1980 (Art Monk). I would rather them go after CB, DE, DT maybe even a OL. But not a WR.

Posted by: wm_mulholland | April 3, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

A ote to Danny and Vinny :

Please don't trade for this guy. He truly is a locker room cancer and really is like a big baby. Yes he has talent, 30 year old talent with 13 year old mentality.

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | April 3, 2008 11:18 AM


Must we really discuss Chad Johnson AGAIN today?

Posted by: RedDMV | April 3, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

D'oh!

Come on, every one say it with me.

(Just practicing for when Jasno makes the actual televised pick)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 3, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Must we really discuss Chad Johnson AGAIN today?

Posted by: RedDMV | April 3, 2008 11:22 AM

Red,

Some of us have short memories and we have to discuss everything, every day. Do you think the Redskins shafted LaVar Arrington or did LaVar shaft the Redskins? Do you think that Joe Gibbs stuck with Brunell too long? And who should be the starter -- Sonny or Billy? Remind me again, what were the pros and cons of trading for Chad Johnson?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 3, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

1. It would not surprise me that Kiper would elevate Albert based on blogs like the RI.

2. My new favorite first round choice is to trade down for more picks.

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

And Jason Campbell -- is he a good fit for the West Coast Offense? I forget how that goes.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 3, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

kerz, don't mention his p00lman's name! whenever it is mentioned, he makes an appearance, its uncanny!

and to those afraid of us drafting a WR in the 1st round, i don't see it happening. The only way i see us getting a WR with our #1 is if we traded it to the Cards or Bungles for Boldin or CJ... the prospect of which, scares the crap out of me. Aside from being a dumb move, If vinny were to use a #1 on a WR, he would lose all the goodwill he has built with the fanbase by his excellent performance so far this offseason. I don't see it happening.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 3, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I agree you Albert is a great pick here. With the WRs off the board, the only DE left that might be worth it is Jackson from USC, but his stock has fallen.

The only other position other than ALbert you could look at is Corner: And still on the board are:

Antoine Cason, CB Arizona
and Reggie Smith, CB/S Oklahoma

I think Albert is the better pick here. We don't have to have another top round CB, we can wait if those guys are still on the board.

Posted by: Veretax | April 3, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

mtnskins,

Campbell should not even be considered until the 3rd round.

There is no WR worth a 1st round pick, that will be there at 21.

Posted by: kmdp4 | April 3, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Seth

I'd make that trade for Boldin in a heart beat. Not crazy about CJ though.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | April 3, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

And Jason Campbell -- is he a good fit for the West Coast Offense? I forget how that goes.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 3, 2008 11:29 AM

Resisting...resisitng... hahaha

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 3, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Kiper has Albert going at #5 as well. He probably won't be there at 21.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | April 3, 2008 11:22 AM

Does he still have CCampbell in the 1st round.

Have to agree with dcsween on MD. The guy that get's paid money to do these MD, kiper, is wrong/right 80/20. I am just surprised that HE is moving Albert up.

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 3, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Hey, Jason....just say you on First Take....

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 3, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

ta, please don't forget the subject of how much better the team would be had they never let Pierce walk....that subject NEVER gets old.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 3, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I only mentioned boldin because it was speculated on PFT a while back that he would be looking for a bigger deal after seeing what Fitzy got, and the cards really couldnt afford both of them. Boldin hasnt seemed to make a fuss though, so maybe he's one of the few WRs that seems to want to actually honor his contract. wow, what a concept.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 3, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Kerzon,

Albert is being moved up in all MD's, and anybody that has CCampbell in the first round, and is getting paid should give the money back.

Posted by: kmdp4 | April 3, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

greg,

I thought it was a good idea to let Pierce walk. Especially in light of this dog abuse. Are there others who think differently? Would Pierce have been a good fit for the West Coast Offense?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 3, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Can't believe that Jasno just said trade up for a pick. Dumb!!!

Trade down makes sense, but DO NOT give away draft picks!

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 3, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

ta, please don't forget the subject of how much better the team would be had they never let Pierce walk....that subject NEVER gets old.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 3, 2008 11:35 AM


i wasnt around for any of that talk. did everyone agree that doubleg was an idiot for letting him and clark go and they were glad we didn't make that guy our HC? :-)

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 3, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't Kiper lose some credibility for still having CCampbell still going in the first?? And he didn't move Albert to a top ten pick, until Mayock and the NFL Network guys started screaming about it.

For a guy who, the draft is his job, I've never been overly impressed with Kiper.

Non-follically speaking of course.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 3, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

What I'm trying to figure out is, why didn't the Redskins offer more money to D.J. Hackett?

Posted by: RedDMV | April 3, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

"ta, please don't forget the subject of how much better the team would be had they never let Pierce walk....that subject NEVER gets old."

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 3, 2008 11:35 AM

Plus letting Ryan Clark leave ... which led to Archuleta ... which led to Landry ... oops, that turned out well, never mind. Now I'm OK with letting Ryan Clark walk.

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

KM,

Agree on Albert moving up on all boards. But once hair-do sets up his board he is slow to change it, ie ccampbell.

TE, how could Pierce not be perfect for the WC offense?

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 3, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Or why Jordan Palmer wasn't given a shot as a backup QB.

Maybe he would grasp the concept of the WCO better than Campbell.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 3, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

By the same token, adding Fletcher to replace Lemar Marshall who replaced Pierce ... now makes it OK to let Pierce walk.

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

what are you trying to do to me T_E? its like showing a fish something shiny, holding candy in front of a child, or putting a crotch near a dogs nose... self-control... must use selfcontrol!!!

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 3, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

This concludes the "Oldies but Goodies" segment of today's programming on Redskins Inside Her!

NateinthePDX, you're the rudder on this ship. Steer us in the right direction.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 3, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Red, if you're serious, probably because he is injury prone. Not that this subject hasn't been beaten to death, or anything.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 3, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Kirwan (I think) on nfl.com has us taking CCampbell and has for awhile

Kiper has the skins taking Devin Thomas WR

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | April 3, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Both CCampbell and WR should be avoided in the 1st.

I would take CC in the third if he is there, not sooner.

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 3, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Players to be traded or cut due to salary cap, performance, and age:

Jason Campbell
Clinton Portis
Jon Jansen
Randy Thomas
Chris Samuels
Santana Moss
Marcus Washington
Shawn Springs

Cut em' or trade em' by June 1st... Or cut em' or trade em' NOW!!!!!!! RIGHT NOW!!!!!!

Posted by: RedDMV | April 3, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Kirwan is an idiot. 10-15 minutes worth of research would show that CCampbell isn't worth a first.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 3, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

both ccampbell and devin thomas would be HUGE mistakes in my opinion. i'd rather us take kenny phillips at safety... and i DON'T think we need a starting safety.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 3, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Anyone mind telling me why did we let Trent Green walk?

OK, I'll stop now.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 3, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Back to my earlier rant about reliance on publicly-available scouting info ... I have the same thought about over-reliance on the Combine and Pro-Days ... and I do not judge Calais Campbell to be "fat and lazy" based on those events. I still think he is a fast, very tall, defensive end who can rush the passer, stop the rusher, and contain the outside ... and that there is plenty of room for "training up" ... I suspect he might be like Anthony Montgomery was, i.e., he is used to dominating in sports as coming easy to him ... and that once he figures out that the NFL actually requires more concentration and dedication, the world will open up.

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

True story:
My brother was at Snyder's house last week doing some install work in Snyder's kitchen. I told my brother to tell Mr. Snyder to take Albert in the first round, but my brother said that Snyder wasn't there. So, I told my brother to just write it on the invoice. I think he thought I was joking though...

Sorry RI, I tried.

Posted by: -swb | April 3, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Players to cut:

Everyone on the team with any talent.

Posted by: sams3 | April 3, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Thomas sounds pretty good to me. CCampbell - I admit his poor showing at the combine and pro-day are worrisome but maybe there's more to the story on him. I'd still rather they traded down to get him.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | April 3, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

So, I told my brother to just write it on the invoice. I think he thought I was joking though...

Posted by: -swb | April 3, 2008 11:52 AM

This is not the way you do business with Mr. Snyder. What you write is not "Take Albert in the first round." You write "Take Albert in the first round and receive a 25% discount on this invoice."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 3, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

"I still think he is a fast"

Um....not according to his pro-day, or the combine. Being that tall and slow, as well as weak puts him at a distinct disadvantage. Tackles will get their hands on him, and stop him in his tracks.


"NFL actually requires more concentration and dedication"

One would have hoped that the testing part of getting to the NFL, would have spurred Campbell to get in shape, but that was not the case. Take for example the USC pro-day in which Ellis dropped 10 pounds, and ran a FASTER 40 than at the Combine, versus Campbell, who ran a SLOWER 40 time than at the combine.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 3, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

dc,

What made me jump off of the CCampbell bandwagon is the number of reps he did/did not do at both the combine and his pro day. You need to be strong to play against the top OL in the NFL. Speed is nice, but you also need strength.

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 3, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone else hear that Campbell had a 36 on the wonderlic test? With that score we could try him at QB.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 3, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Chris Henry was released by the Bungles. Do we sign him??

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 3, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

greg(b), kerzon, agree to disagree. WaPo archives this stuff so we can take a look back next year. m'kay?

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Chris Henry was released by the Bungles. Do we sign him??

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 3, 2008 12:00 PM

In the preseason, teams need to wait for a player to "clear waivers." On this one, teams will wait for Henry to "clear Goodell."

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Damn, I am on a roll today and we agree already. I think if we look back in two years I may be eating my words. With Whiskey Sauce.

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 3, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Chris Henry was released by the Bungles. Do we sign him??

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 3, 2008 12:00 PM

Kerzon,

Do not even think this to yourself, or I will take back the brain.

Posted by: kmdp4 | April 3, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

On this one, teams will wait for Henry to "clear Goodell."

LOL. Just kidding on this. Same as trading for Pac Man. Don't do it.

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 3, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Oops, meant agree to disagree.

Sorry km, my fingers were working without the benefit of the brain. Just like my p__lman comment.

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 3, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Chris Henry was released by the Bungles.

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 3, 2008 12:00 PM

This should put an end to any CJ trade talk.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | April 3, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

In case no one heard

Source: Skins up ante for Pacman as talks between Cowboys, Titans die


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

ESPN.com news services

Pacman Jones wants to go to Dallas, and the Cowboys apparently wanted him. However, the NFC East division rival Washington Redskins have stepped from the shadows of off-season inactivity to make an offer of compensation consisting of a third-round pick (84th overall) in this year's draft and a fifth-round selection next year that appears to meet the demands of the Tennesee Titans.

A source close to the negotiations told ESPN's Ed Werder on Sunday night that trade talks between the Cowboys and Titans had stalled over the issue of compensation. Another source indicated Monday night that the Redskins, who were awarded three compensatory picks in the upcoming draft including a third-round selection (96th overall), have a deal in place to secure the rights to the 25 year-old cornerback and return specialist from West Virginia University.

The Titans had been seeking a fourth-round pick in this year's draft and a fourth-round selection next year or an equivalent package, according to the source. The Cowboys are believed to be unwilling to provide compensation at that level for Jones, who remains suspended for violations of the NFL's personal-conduct policy.

ESPN.com's Matt Mosley has been told by a Titans source that there is a feeling in the organization that Jones cannot be reformed and should be traded even though at least one Tennessee defensive starter says players would embrace Jones' return.

The Titans have been steadfast in their position, apparently convinced that Jones' trade value will not worsen.

Cornerback is a position the Redskins had been expected to address in the upcoming draft, along with wide receiver, defensive line, and outside linebacker.

Jones said last week in a radio interview with Cowboys Hall of Famer Michael Irvin that he wants to resume his career in Dallas. He will apply to NFL commissioner Roger Goodell for reinstatement in the next two weeks.

Ed Werder covers the NFL for ESPN. Matt Mosley covers the NFL for ESPN.com.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/...e=ESPNHeadlines


Posted by: Zebraskins | April 3, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Chris Henry was released by the Bungles. Do we sign him??

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 3, 2008 12:00 PM

No way. He's too old. And why can't the draft get here sooner? Those rookie prospects aren't getting any younger, you know. We should only sign the rookies to 2 year contracts so we can dump them due to their age....
Cut everyone over 26 and start combing the high schools and forging birth certificates. Then we can be the youngest team in the league. Proven veterans suck.....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................wait for it..............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................OWNED!

PS - I am not endorsing picking up Henry....just being sarcasmic.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 3, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Good for the 'Skins getting between Dallas and Pacman. He would be a steal at the price the Cowboys were going to pay. Now, the 'Skins can force them to up the ante. And, if we end up with the Packer, uh oh. Big risk, big reward situation.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 3, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

ESPN.com news services
Pacman Jones wants to go to Dallas, and the Cowboys apparently wanted him. However, the NFC East division rival Washington Redskins have stepped from the shadows of off-season inactivity to make an offer of compensation consisting of a third-round pick (84th overall) in this year's draft and a fifth-round selection next year that appears to meet the demands of the Tennesee Titans.

Posted by: Zebraskins | April 3, 2008 12:12 PM

Is it still April Fools Day somewhere in the world. Anywhere? That's a huge risk, just throwing away draft picks. Pacman is the posterchild of knuckleheads. I sure hope Werder is wrong.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | April 3, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | April 3, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Zebra,

That is a bullsh!t the Titans are saying that to get the Cowboys to up the anti.

Posted by: kmdp4 | April 3, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Red;

Where keeping it real goes wrong?

Posted by: Zebraskins | April 3, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I see no way the Skins would trade for Pac Man. In fact, I think Vinny was asked about him on Redskins Radio a few weeks ago and shot him down really quickly. Talented...yes. Troubled...yes.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 3, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Zebra,

That is a bullsh!t the Titans are saying that to get the Cowboys to up the anti.

Posted by: kmdp4 | April 3, 2008 12:23 PM

Well, if we dont denounce it in the next two hours, I would say Jasno hit it on the head that we are not done and trades may be the way we get players.

Posted by: Zebraskins | April 3, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

zebra,

I do not feel they should denounce such a stupid story, I hope the Cowpies do up the anti.

Posted by: kmdp4 | April 3, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

everyone... that WAS an april fools joke. are you all so easily fooled?

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 3, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Well, if we dont denounce it in the next two hours, I would say Jasno hit it on the head that we are not done and trades may be the way we get players.

Posted by: Zebraskins | April 3, 2008 12:25 PM

I do not think we are done with trades in FA. Just don't believe that Jones is someone the Skins are going after. I believe they are going for WR.

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 3, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

SETH,

Uh, yes.

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 3, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Seth,

Normally Arpil fools jokes are done on April fools day.

Posted by: kmdp4 | April 3, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Did we ever found out who tried to de-Rabach Landry with the paintball gun last year?

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Zebraskins' link didn't work and I couldn't find that story on the ESPN site, but I think it would be a nice little tampering move by the Skins to do a favor for Jeff Fisher and make Jerrah's life harder ... as long as they don't actually do it. Pac-Man is not going to be re-instated by the time the Skins would need him (which would be from Week One till about Week Eight in the upcoming season).

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

PFT made a sarcastic comment about CJ committing some crime in light of what happened with henry and it got me thinking. Couuld CJ do something like this:

STEP 1: Chad Johnson pays a girl to claim he beat her up or stages some sort of horrendous crime/embarrassing situation so extreme, that the bengals cut him. CJ maintains his innocence but the evidence is damning. This would no doubt involve a suspension from Goodell.

STEP 2: Redskins sign CJ to a huge contract.

STEP 3: The party(ies) accusing CJ admit to making the whole thing up. They may face some jailtime/financial penalties, but they are well-compensated for their troubles.

STEP 4: CJ is publically vindicated and Goddell is forced to reinstate him, as there is no evidence he committed fraud.

Obviously, this whole scenario, aside from being morally wrong, would never work. However, i am curious whether it would be feasible or something CJ would try. I mean, given that henry got cut, it could prompt him into thinking he could "get away" with something like that.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 3, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Zebra, if that is called "keeping it real", then I'd rather keep it "mock" in spirt of the draft.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 3, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

The link I got in the email goes to another story about their talks stalling. So it would seem wrong. Sorry to get everyone in a tizzy.

Posted by: Zebraskins | April 3, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

So, do we pound on Chris Henry or what??

I was thinking this may be a flase charge and these people may be trying to extort $$ from him. If this turns out to be true. Cinncy will be regret it........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 3, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

kmp, check extremeskins.com. that article WAS posted on april fools day.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 3, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

SETH,

Does it have to be a HUGE contract?

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 3, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, my friend sent me the email and I didnt link to the story originally. When I do it goes to the Pacman and Dallas trade talks stall article.

My friend called me before he sent it and I was on NFL.com and SI.Com truth and rumor and saw nothing. I thought maybe ESPN scooped it.

Oh well, my bad

Posted by: Zebraskins | April 3, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

dc, agreed to disagree on Campbell, just think that tall, slow, and weak isn't a good start for a defensive end.

Now that Henry is done in Cincy, there is no way they trade CJ. They just gave him the upper hand by releasing Henry.

And Bravo for what the Bengals did. It is a privledge to play in the NFL, and he's pissed away his privledge....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 3, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | April 3, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse


Did we ever found out who tried to de-Rabach Landry with the paintball gun last year?

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2008 12:38 PM

It remains a mystery.

I'm wondering if Vinny is planning another "team-building" activity (TBA) this spring.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 3, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm suprised Jasno didn't type in 'Mock Daft' and try to pass it off as a case of Jasno tyopgraphy....

If we do bring in either Big Johnson or Whackman, and it all goes pear-shaped, who wants to bet at least one RIer finds a way to blame it on Ryan Clark not being here to hold their hand and bring them along?

Posted by: FlimFlam | April 3, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I think pissing away privilege is what Dominic Rhodes did in the back of a police cruiser last year, where privilege equals four fully metabolized margaritas.

Also, back on the dead horse of Chad Johnson, is anyone up here from Cincy? I know what Marvin Lewis (former employee of The Owner) has said, but does Coach Lewis call the shots on personnel down there? Don't they have a GM? Is there owner anything like The Owner?

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Now that we are trading for Pac Man and Chad Johnson, does everyone finally agree that we can focus the draft on defensive and offensive lineman?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 3, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I think the Redskins should send a 2nd and 5th round pick to the Bengals for Chris Henry.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 3, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

dc, agreed to disagree on Campbell, just think that tall, slow, and weak isn't a good start for a defensive end.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 3, 2008 12:46 PM

I think I found someone who is tall, fast, and strong ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Mamula

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

That would be the Brown family, DC.

"Said Bengals president Mike Brown in a team-issued statement: "Chris Henry has forfeited his opportunity to pursue a career with the Bengals. His conduct can no longer be tolerated."

Posted by: tafka | April 3, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Regarding Henry (I'll be here all week!!!), Monsieur Maske reminds everyone:

The latest incident involving Henry puts him in jeopardy of further discipline by the league under the conduct policy. The policy, toughened by Goodell last year, empowers Goodell to banish a repeat offer from the league if he chooses. Goodell warned Henry in a letter when he suspended him last year that Henry was down to his final chance.

"I must emphasize to you that this is your last opportunity to salvage your NFL career," Goodell wrote in that letter dated April 10, 2007. "I urge you to take full advantage of the resources available to support you in that effort."

Goodell suspended Tennessee Titans cornerback Adam (Pacman) Jones the same day and wrote a letter to Jones with an identical warning. Jones was suspended for all of this past season and still has not been reinstated by Goodell.

Posted by: TheCindy | April 3, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

If the assault charge holds up, it would seem that Chris Henry's career in the NFL is over. Look for him in a Canadian city near you soon.

Posted by: tafka | April 3, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

If the assault charge holds up, it would seem that Chris Henry's career in the NFL is over. Look for him in a Canadian city near you soon.

Posted by: tafka | April 3, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Were the Redskins featured on NFL Network last night? Or is it tonight?

Posted by: tafka | April 3, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

PacMan Jones' current suspension is for arrests undisclosed to the team ... Sheriff Goodell hasn't even gotten to the rainmaking stuff yet.

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

No, no, no, Greg.

I think we should send a third and next years second to the Titans for Pacman. We should also consider sending this years second, third, and fifth for Henry. This would resolve the CB and WR problem.

Just a thought.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 3, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, Jason said he was going to be on TV this morning, but didn't say what show. Any data on that? More importantly, who did he pick?

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Mamula missed the 1998 season after tearing up his knee in a preseason game against the Steelers at the Vet. But he bounced back in 1999 under new head coach Andy Reid and recorded a career-high 81/2 sacks, fifth-most among NFC defensive ends.

Jevon Kearse has never had 81/2 sacks as an Eagle, and he was the highest-paid defensive end in NFL history when the Eagles signed him.

Darren Howard has recorded 81/2 sacks once in the last six years, and the Eagles couldn't wait to give him a free agency deal worth $5.1 million per year.

Perspective is a curious thing.

Trent Cole is so highly regarded that the Eagles last year gave him a massive eight-year contract worth about $5.3 million per year. He had 13.0 sacks his first two years and is considered a gifted player. Mamula had 131/2 sacks his first two years and was considered a bust.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | April 3, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I can see Goodell using this latest assault arrest (if the charge holds up) to ban Chris Henry from the NFL for life. That will pave the way for Goodell to institute lifetime bans against PacMan and Vick as their cases come up later. Player behavior will only improve if the players see that a permanent ban can result.

Posted by: tafka | April 3, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, Jason said he was going to be on TV this morning, but didn't say what show. Any data on that? More importantly, who did he pick?

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2008 01:08 PM

He was on ESPN's First Take. He wanted to trade up in the draft for a DE. He also thought about trading down for more picks. Then he went with B. Albert.

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 3, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Here's the guy you want to draft if you're looking for a Center/Guard type of player. (Someone mentioned that earlier.)

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=15119

Posted by: tafka | April 3, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Why is no one thinking the obvious. Trade PacMan for Vick, then trade Vick for Henry. I mean, you might upset a bunch of strippers and puppies with those deals, but thats the risk you take ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 3, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Were the Redskins featured on NFL Network last night? Or is it tonight?

Posted by: tafka | April 3, 2008 01:02 PM

It was last night, tafka. Although, I'm sure they've been playing it all day today, too.

Posted by: -swb | April 3, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

(For you, GregM)

Mike Pollak
Height: 6-31/2 | Weight: 301 | 40-Time: 5.02

Official Bio

Strengths:
Smart with terrific awareness...Team leader and captain...Very strong...Mobile and will get to the second level...Solid technician...Plays with good leverage..Is steady and dependable..Really understands positioning..Hard worker with a great motor.

Weaknesses:
Doesn't have ideal size / bulk...Has to add some weight...Won't wow anyone with his athleticism...Marginal quickness and agility...He is not real stout at the point of attack...Doesn't get a great push....Won't dominant his opponent...Limited upside.

Notes:
Brother Andrew is a member of the Sun Devil baseball team...A overachiever who gets the most out of his ability...Survives based more on intangibles than physical tools...Probable backup...Best fit in the pros may come in a zone blocking scheme.

Posted by: tafka | April 3, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, -swb

Posted by: tafka | April 3, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Thoughts on this??

LEINART SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED
Posted by Mike Florio on April 3, 2008, 8:57 a.m.
Lost by many in the brouhaha regarding the photos of Matt Leinart cavorting with a gaggle of young ladies is the question of whether the girls seen drinking alcohol were of legal age, and if so whether Leinart provided them with the alcohol they were drinking.

It's only fair. Bengals receiver Chris Henry was suspended for eight games due in part to a conviction for doing just that. If Leinart did the same thing, justice and fairness require that he suffer a similar fate.

Indeed, how hard would it be to identify the girls in the photos? We've already received an e-mail from one reader who believes that he knows one of the girls in the pictures, and if she is who the reader says she is, her MySpace profile says that she is under the age of 21.

We're not saying that any of the girls were/are under 21 or that Leinart gave alcohol to any of them. We're only saying that the matter needs to be investigated, and if charges are appropriate then charges should be pursued.

If the authorities merely brush this under the rug, a major flaw in the NFL's Personal Conduct Policy will be revealed. Discipline is meted out to players who have been charged with or convicted of crimes; thus, any player who can avoid being charged with a crime apparently can avoid the imposition of discipline by the NFL.

In this regard, the league probably should launch its own investigation. There were indications a year ago that NFL Security was active in connection with the Mike Vick imbroglio. Shouldn't the league set those same resources in motion to determine whether there's reason to believe that Leinart gave booze to people who were too young to buy and/or drink it?

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 3, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Gosh Mocks are fun.

Redskins need to build from the inside out. With all those picks, it makes sense to rebuild the lines.

The Albert speculation is pure foolishness--he's gone in the top ten.

If they can trade down for a lower first and, say, another third, do it. Use the first, second and two of the thirds for linemen and the other third for a receiver or DB--depending who's available.

The team CAN'T draft WRs worth a damn, but perhaps the law of infinite number of chimps will provide a Shakepearean WR this year.


Posted by: corkczar | April 3, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1,
That was funnier than poop.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 3, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

if this is the way the mock draft is laid out what about the OL Albert (?) from WV I think was a guard in college is projecting at tackle. also isn't the USC LB still on the board with this mock?

Posted by: bryan_sampson | April 3, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

In theory I agree with the trade down strategy, but let's not forget the karma that is 21.

Hail Sean Taylor!

Pick the biggest bad-a$$ at 21 that's on the board and move on.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 3, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

GO W/ ALBERT.

Even the original Hogs were built w/ a first round draft pick (May). The Skins need to return the O-line dominance back to DC and Albert would help!

I would be pleased if we loaded up on O- & D-line help this draft.

Posted by: WahooTim | April 3, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Since no one really knows how these guys will pan out, even the "experts" have a so-so track record, I will continue to post my mock draft.

Charlize Theron in the first round.
Marissa Miller in the 2nd.
Model 13 from Deal or No Deal in the third. Using the comp pick to get Vanessa Williams, also in the 3rd.
The hot teller at my local bank is my 4th round pick.
Carla Gugino in the 5th
Ashley Judd in 6th
7th round, Scarlett Johanssen

I'd have picked "TheCindy", but she is unaffordable.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 3, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

As for Cialis, why wait for him to get a clue?

Still waiting for Brandon Lloyd....hasn't happened.

For every Cialis that out there, there's a LaRon Landry.

Give me motivation, give me the non-stop motor.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 3, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Is there any traction on drafting Kenny Phillips? I'd hate for us to put so many first round picks into one position.

Posted by: WahooTim | April 3, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

"In theory I agree with the trade down strategy, but let's not forget the karma that is 21. ..."

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 3, 2008 01:31 PM

Could point ... trade down for 21 picks.

Stumped, your Cialis reference reminds me, how did you come up with your blog name? Are really John Bobbitt?

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

The hot teller at my local bank is my 4th round pick.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 3, 2008 01:32 PM

Any stats on "hot teller". Name, picture, anything?

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 3, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Now that we are trading for Pac Man and Chad Johnson, does everyone finally agree that we can focus the draft on defensive and offensive lineman?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 3, 2008 12:53 PM

WOW...after those trades, Vinny will have sacrificed our draft and we won't be able to focus on Oline and Dbacks.....nine picks down the drain.

Posted by: Rando | April 3, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

" ...Give me motivation, give me the non-stop motor."

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 3, 2008 01:34 PM

Give me panties!

What does it spell?!?!

motivation-non-stop-motor-panties!

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

sween,
No! I'm not JWB, but I am married.

Does that count? Do I officially have high stance?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 3, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

see Kerzon, its why I can't trust you. You might want to swoop in a grab that talented hot teller with your own comp pick at the end of round 3. I'll you this, her last name is a famous football name ... but not one that you're likely to guess!!!

I'm afraid you'll have to do your own scouting...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 3, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

My favorite JWB joke is about what Lorena said to him right before ... "It won't be long now."

Anyway, more on the absolute certainty of mock draftees ... this is well Mel Coiffure just said on his chat ... not a sliver of anything but absolutely this is how it will happen:

JC (Coffeyvile, KS): If a DT doesn't fall to #9 for Cincy, is there a WR worthy to take that high due to the WR issues of late.

SportsNation Mel Kiper: (1:11 PM ET ) Not even close. The first WR drafted will be Devin Thomas and that won't be until 20 or 21. I think you'll only see two WRs in the first round. DeSean Jackson will be the other. Kelly has slid out of the first and Sweed is a borderline first rounder. So, no. If Sedrick Ellis is gone, then they could look, because they have such a need at this postion, Keith Rivers from USC.

Posted by: dcsween | April 3, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Is there any traction on drafting Kenny Phillips? I'd hate for us to put so many first round picks into one position.

Posted by: WahooTim | April 3, 2008 01:35 PM

It probably would not be fair to draft Kenny Phillips. He isn't Sean Taylor and never will be. The expectations for him in DC would be too high, and would probably hurt both his performance and the team's. There is a lot of interest for him in Philly, and the Eagles fans already think he is going to be the next Sean Taylor. The pressure would be that much worse in DC.

Posted by: tafka | April 3, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

B E E P B E E P

Posted by: tafka | April 3, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Me, swoop in and steal someones pick? Never! OK, your right, but after being married for 23 years, I forgot how to scout. :-(

Posted by: kerzon417 | April 3, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

albert is good.

Posted by: bloodwars | April 5, 2008 5:21 AM | Report abuse

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