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Monday Afternonn H-Back

Sorry this is late, got two sick kids and a sick car at home and things have been crazy at Redskins Park all morning.

Stop me if you've heard this one before, but we've all been to that rodeo we saw Sunday before right?

Puzzled again by play calling. The run just was not there - and any loyal readers know I am a pound-the-rock guy - and Lord knows they stuck with it. The make shift offensive line was clearly more comfortable pass protecting than run blocking given all they were facing, and Campbell generally had plenty of time to throw.

The coverage was pretty good, but this game screamed out for a deep shot or two late to press that defense more. They never went for the throat and were ubber-conservative again. Some would say they never/rarely go for the throat on offense.

To me in the second half there they had a chance to let the young QB put a team away and they didn't let him. Joe Gibbs sets all the cues around here, and while Al calls the game Joe certainly is involved in game planning. As we all know, this came ever-so-close to slipping away. The inability to get first downs in the second half is holding this team back.

Clinton is clearly not the same explosive back he used to be at this point and seems to be still getting his legs under him. Missing all of that time in the preseason and offseason would surely take a toll and it has. I am not saying he'll never be that kind of back again, but he hasn't been this season.

The offensive line is what it is right now. The run blocking is not very good and getting Casey Rabach back ASAP would be a huge positive for them. Still, there were more yards out there than Portis produced and it's not like hw as getting blown up in the backfield on every play. Going out of bounds on that late drive was a big miscue and he had trouble turning upfield running outside the tackles most of the day.

I think they need to give Ladell an entire series now and then and actually use him more than a carry or two. This game seemed to be all about riding Portis and proving he's back, but the workload produced no results save for the two goal-line runs.

Special teams brought out the good and the bad. It may be time to start worrying about the kicker a little bit. That was a huge miss from 41 yards - one that could have changed the game at the start of the season half - but instead Suisham's miss wasted Rock Cartwright's 80-yard return (Rock is having an excellent year and he's definitely a guy I have a ton of respect for. Love what he does and the way that he goes about doing it).

Since Shaun's great finish last season, and 3-for-3 outing aginst Miami in Week 1, things have turned a bit.

He missed from 48 against Detroit.
He missed from 39 against NY
Me missed from 41 against Arizona

That's one miss in each of the last 3 homes games. Not saying it's time to push the panic button or anything, but it's a trend.

The blocked extra point turned out to be huge - the botched snap by Arizona had a lot to do with it I thought - but the blocked field goal can't happen. Frost got better as the game went along and boomed a few, and the Forsty Roll, so huge a few years back, was in full force again on some of those punts.

As for the D, they were pretty much pitching a perfect game until late in the 3rd quarter, when the two penalties kept alive that Arizona drive. They were pretty much on the field for 15 of the final 20 minutes, and that's going to tire out any team, especially on an 80-degree day. Once again they got no help from the offense.

London Fletcher had an absolute moster game, keying their Cover-2 zone, dropping back adroitly, doing everything you could ask of a MLB. He was a stud and is having a Pro Bowl season. This defense has a different look and swagger from last year and he has much to do with that. He was a tackling machine again, landing countless heavy blows, and his ability to sprint forward even when dropped in a deep zone, read the QB and get to the ball carrier on short screens is pretty impressive. His intellect shines through in all that he does ...

Saying all that, as much as London believes he was not tauning Arizona, I can see how the officials would think he was given the way he turned to that side of the field where their bench was and started pumping and shouting. Unfortunate turn of events for him and the team, and pretty much his only mistake of the day.

Sean Taylor continues to display great discipline, stay in that zone and let the ball come to him. He has interceptions in 4 straight games and the Redskins have 2 picks in each of the last 4 games, a mounumental turnaround from last year when they had 6 INTs as a team for the season and no DB had more than 1.

I thought it was pretty special what Shawn Springs did, missing all week, expected to come in just in the nickel and dime package, then having to play a lot with Smoot hurt and making some huge plays on the ball, and tackles as well.

Andre Carter made another huge play and is shaping up to have a very strong season.

Just give this defense a little break - make them stay on the field for just, oh, say 65 plays rather than 73, and the Skins win this game easily.

By Jason La Canfora  |  October 22, 2007; 1:07 PM ET
 
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Comments

bought time.

Posted by: Da Truef | October 22, 2007 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Jason, GREAT POINTS, all the way around.

Hope your kids get better, your car gets fixed, and the Sox win the series.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 22, 2007 1:53 PM | Report abuse

balls

Posted by: Anonymous | October 22, 2007 1:53 PM | Report abuse

3rd!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 22, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

another week, another reporter fight starring JLC

Posted by: Anonymous | October 22, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

What fight?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 22, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

What fight? Give details. Someone. Please.

If there ever is a fight, I would hope that everyone, including the Redskins defense, would just pile on and pummell that annoying Bram Weinstien guy.

Posted by: Pretzel Boy | October 22, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I hate kickers.

All week coaches and players devote countless hours to preperation, analyzing, and game planning to ensure a victory. Just so the "idiot kicker" can come out and shank one WL or WR.

How do you develop a kicker? Can you?

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 22, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

It would be a big mistake to "start worrying" about Suisham. Just let the kid continue to develop and gain confidence.

The dump a young kicker because he misses a few led to Aker's demise with the Redskins. See how well that turned out for us?

Posted by: Cindy's boy toy | October 22, 2007 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Statements like these:

Campbell generally had plenty of time to throw.

The make shift offensive line was clearly more comfortable pass protecting than run blocking given all they were facing

Make me sick to my stomach, given the game plan, play calling, and general in-effectiveness of the offense.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 22, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

London Fletcher was a MONSTER yesterday! If our offense could hold the ball a little longer the defense wouldn't be so tired. They were on the field entirely too much.

Posted by: skinzgirl#53 | October 22, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Any word on injury situation? How's Casey progressing? Wade? And what about the new Sunday injuries... Smoot? Carlos? Anything that should concern us?

Posted by: Alex | October 22, 2007 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Great post (as usual) but I'm surprised you didn't address the end-of-1st-half timeout snafu. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the Skins did NOT call that moronic timeout the following would have occurred:
1) Delay of game on Arizona
2) In last 2 min. of a half, a penalty on the offense (if out of timeouts) results in a 10-second run-off on the game clock
3) Arizona had no timeouts left and :06 left on the game clock
4) Thus, the half would have been over and no 4th-down TD.
5) Skins up 14-0 (instead of 14-6).

End-of-half brain-freezes are a weekly and delibitating problem for this team. I grew up a Skins fan and revering Gibbs, but c'mon people. Who's in charge here?!?!?!

Posted by: Ari | October 22, 2007 2:10 PM | Report abuse

SkinsRealist--Do you hate them when they make the kick? Have you ever made a mistake, yourself, or is it only "idiot kickers"?

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 22, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't Cindy chatting somewhere today? Did I miss something?

Posted by: P Diddy | October 22, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Conservative game plan almost cost them this week, but I think they had a genuine reason for it this week.

Given the state of the O-line, I think the plan was to be very conservative and hope the defense could win the game by providing short fields (check), holding the cards down (mostly check), and maybe even scoring (check). I am certain they were afraid to drop back for a potential bomb with any regularity for fear of getting Campbell flattened because of the injured o-line. You will see them open it up this week with, hopefully, Rabach back and a healthier Wade and Kendall.

Posted by: Mike H. | October 22, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I think it's "uber-conservative".

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 22, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Ari, in general I agree that Skins clock management sucks. But according to Gibbs, aforementioned stud London Fletcher called that timeout from the field. Don't think you can blame Gibbs on that one.

Posted by: FW | October 22, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Ari--

Interesting scenario. I think you're wrong.

The Redskins were totally confused by what Arizona was doing and needed time to regroup and get the right personnel on the field. They were preparing for a field goal.

They would have stopped Arizona if Proileau hadn't gotten fooled on the pass.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 22, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Ari, from Gibbs presser, sounds like London didn't like the look and called the Timeout. Sure, in hindsight, looks like a mistake... but if Warner got off the snap and completed the TD because our D was scrambling, we'd be shouting "Why'd you leave timeouts on the board!?!" As so often is the case on this blog, hindsight is 20/20.

Posted by: Alex | October 22, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | October 22, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Dude, I thought we should have stayed with Novack. If they want to take the time to develop a kicker then they really need to bite on the extra roster spot and have a vet kicker allong with him.

Posted by: 35332 | October 22, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Larry Michael was conducting an exclusive on-air interview for Redskins radio with Chris Samuels. At some point a print reporter began asking Samuel's questions and Larry says "you can't do that" and then in the background you can hear a little scuffling. Apparently Samuels himself had to seperate the reporter from someone on the Redskins radio crew. I'm assuming it was an off-air person, unless it was Sam Huff, who I would not want to scrap with even at his advanced age.

Posted by: What Fight? | October 22, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Amen, Alex.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 22, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

TE, chill out homey. Damn, here we go with the personals again. You must've been a kicker, huh? No it's just the idiot kickers. I'm not saying cut squeeze em', but it seems like the Redskins have been sometimey in the kicking game since Chip Lohmiller. Is it too much to desire a reliable kicking game. I'm talking about having the type of kicker that when he is about to kick, you're very confident that he will make it.

Thats all.

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 22, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

FW, fair point. But it still doesn't go to the core issue of who's in charge at those critical junctures. Too many voices, too many people trying to make decisions and it invariably leads to major mistakes. I won't totally blame Gibbs but shouldn't there be a certain protocol in place to avoid these types of situations?

Posted by: Ari | October 22, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Wasnt able to see the game, but sounds like it was more of the same ultra-conservative play calling. I know the story about the O-Line but if JC had plenty of time, why not take shots down field? Who is really calling these plays? Heard The Junkies talking about it this morning while interviewing B Fletcher (sounds like a great guy btw). Is this really the 700 page playbook or are we working off of Coach Joe's scratchpaper?

Posted by: Steve | October 22, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Redcoat | October 22, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Portis is a ZERO threat to EVER break a run of 20 or more, just not the back he was in Denver. Cearly he will be gone, wish the skins had Bailey and that 2nd round pick back.

Posted by: Portis is washed up | October 22, 2007 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I just wanna know if we have set a record yet for hamstring injuries in a season. What happened to Jansen and Thomas is bad but not very avoidable---the hamstring thing (and other leg strains) is killing us but IS preventable.

Posted by: Cookie | October 22, 2007 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Realist,

Wasn't the term "idiot kicker" applied to Vanderjagt who was exactly the type of reliable kicker that we'd like to have?

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 22, 2007 2:21 PM | Report abuse

i been saying 4-2 since the beginning of the year.... 5-3 at midseason would not be too bad. we will have R. Thomas for the last 4 or 5 games so as i been saying all season 10-6 babyyyyyyyy....

p.s. Talent Evaluator, you are a moron!!!

Posted by: bethesdaboy | October 22, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

What happened to the short crossing and curl in underneath patterns. One of the last 3 and outs run, deep pass, run.

Posted by: Mombo | October 22, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Regarding Talent evaluator's comments: I sit in section 403 and was at the game yesterday. Even from that distance, this is what I saw:
a) The play clock was down to :03 seconds
b) Warner and the Cardinals STARTING OFFENSIVE UNIT were just breaking the huddle
c) NO KICKER OR HOLDER anywhere near the field
d) Arizona had NO TIMEOUTS left

Regardless of who is to blame for the timeout, it was an idiotic decision. If it were an isolated incident, I would get over it and move on. The problem is that these things happen virtually EVERY WEEK with this team and I'm sick of it.

Posted by: Ari | October 22, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Man, this skins team really stinks, wake me when Gibbs is gone.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 22, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Hey, What Fight -

I heard the off-air scuffle yesterday, too. but there was nothing said then, or in your re-cap above, that puts JLaC in the middle of it. Could have been anyone from the Post or Times (or other paper). Is there more to the story?

Posted by: Ghost of Plimpton | October 22, 2007 2:27 PM | Report abuse

The offense doesn't look any near the offense AL used to call in Kansas City, or is his hands tied because of Gibbs. JC has poise and capability of moving the offense, why not let him loose?

Posted by: Dan | October 22, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

When posting, should I also express that I don't intentionally try to personally attack or offend anyone? How about this...

The thoughts and views expressed by "SkinsRealist" do not reflect Redskins Insider... blah, blah, blah

Of course I could. But that would be unnecessary. Sort of like its unnecessary to catch feelings over a comment from someone who you most likely perceive as foolish anyway and will never encounter.

Lighten up guys. The Redskins won.

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 22, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm showing my ignorance here, but aside from Gonzalez (a TE) which "receivers" have ever excelled in a Saunders offense? Anyone who says Eddie Kennison will be wrapped in duct tape and beaten with a wiffle ball bat. :)

Posted by: Glass Half Full? | October 22, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

New England's preparation for the visiting Washington Redskins next Sunday:

Bill Belli-Cheat will be disecting the Redskins' offensive schemes and come up with a stifling defensive game plan over coffee and a breakfast burrito. The rest of the time he will be nailing one of his friend's wives. Look for a telltale off-color crusty stain on the front of his drab, team-issued 'hoodie.

Randy Moss will undo his gangsta' braids in an effort to challenge Shawn Taylor for "best afro in the league" while smoking some authentic Jamaican ganja he has delivered by the trashbag-full.

Tom Brady will prepare the way he always does. He will nail his supermodel girlfriend while applying some exotic papaya extract hair gel while simultaneously staring in the mirror, smiling and screaming repeatedly, "I'm Tom F-ing Brady!!!"

...to be continued...

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 22, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

JLC vs Bram for the "If you can't be an athlete, be an athletic supporter"title

Posted by: Tom Flick | October 22, 2007 2:32 PM | Report abuse

TE,

Yes Manning was talking about Vanderjagt, and if you're suggesting that I think we sign him and cut Sushiam, my friend, you're totally wrong.

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 22, 2007 2:32 PM | Report abuse

BRANDON LLOYD WAS RELEASED!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 22, 2007 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Lloyd cut today

Posted by: lisa | October 22, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Just like timing is important for the Al Saunders passing game, I think the make shift line and CP also have some timing issues. CP has to get used to linemen with varying abilities to get out in front of him on those sweeps and pulls. It also looks like this line was just overmatched at times trying to muscle the very good Cardinals D-linemen in the run game. If the skins can just get healthier on the o-line, the will be in the hunt in December when maybe they get Randy Thomas back.

Posted by: Daddy-OO | October 22, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Are Holt and Bruce beneficiaries of the Mike Martz offense, or Al Saunders.

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 22, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

where is the lloyd info coming from???

Posted by: Anonymous | October 22, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Beep BEEP, new POST!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 22, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Ari - On that play, I thought I saw the ref come in and give that funky "give it up to the Lord" hand signal, which generally means restart the play clock. I think that if the Skins hadn't called timeout, the Cards would have gotten more time anyway. The ref was running in to reset the play clock at the same time the umpire (or whomever it was) was running in calling timeout. I think it was general confusion all around, and not such a bad idea for Chevy Chase to call timeout.

Posted by: Milhouse | October 22, 2007 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Great post (as usual) but I'm surprised you didn't address the end-of-1st-half timeout snafu. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the Skins did NOT call that moronic timeout the following would have occurred:
1) Delay of game on Arizona
2) In last 2 min. of a half, a penalty on the offense (if out of timeouts) results in a 10-second run-off on the game clock
3) Arizona had no timeouts left and :06 left on the game clock
4) Thus, the half would have been over and no 4th-down TD.
5) Skins up 14-0 (instead of 14-6).

End-of-half brain-freezes are a weekly and delibitating problem for this team. I grew up a Skins fan and revering Gibbs, but c'mon people. Who's in charge here?!?!?!

Posted by: Ari | October 22, 2007 02:10 PM

Great point, I was wondering what was going on there, I thought they called the Delay, one offical even threw his Flag. That call needs some explantion.

Posted by: Ryan | October 22, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Milhouse, perhaps they were going to add time BUT there was a flag on the play for delay of game. In his explanation, the ref even stated that the timeout occurred BEFORE the penalty for delay of game. My deduction: If Fletcher doesn't call timeout, the Cards get penalized, and the 10-second run-off means the half would have been O-V-E-R. However, I feel like we still need JLC to utilize his research skills to confirm that a delay-of-game penalty in that situation results in the 10-second runoff.

Posted by: Ari | October 22, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Encouraging statistic # 2 for next week:

The sucky Dolphins did score 28 points on the Patriots.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 22, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

First let me say it was great being back home. There is nothing like the DC area.

JLC hope the babies get bettter soon. I don't care how they won as long as it goes down a a V baby. Yes, it was one ugly game. The D is playing lights out. The Reaper is having an All Pro year. For all those that are complaining I have one question. How many of you would have been happy at the start of the season with us being 4-2 at this point? Yeah that is what I thought. Enjoy the win and hope that we are the first team to keep the Pats under 30

Posted by: jm220 | October 22, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Encouraging statistic # 3 for next week.


New England's linebackers are playing exceptionally poorly this season as a unit. Yes, that includes Teddy and Vrable (sp?).

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 22, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

you just Wayned the Pats... lmao!

Posted by: Dik | October 22, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

jm220--Did you see yesterday's game or are you a win-is-a-win guy? I think the W is some consolation for watching a team that has a clueless, inept offense. But it's hard to think that we will have another W this year if they play like they did yesterday.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 22, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Whats with this lloyd jibber jabber?

Posted by: 35332 | October 22, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

would not be the first clueless inept W in DC.

Posted by: 35332 | October 22, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

good thing my name isn't Roger.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 22, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Normally I'm not one to rip on Jasno for what he writes, even if I don't agree or don't like it, but I'm gonna this time.

"This game seemed to be all about riding Portis and proving he's back, but the workload produced no results save for the two goal-line runs. "

This seems like a very stupid thing to write. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Betts stats when he does get a chance to carry have been worse than Portis's all around. And I think the OL has a quite a bit to do with how good our running game will be. I agree Portis isn't lookings as good as he once did, but still much better than Betts.

"The coverage was pretty good, but this game screamed out for a deep shot or two late to press that defense more. They never went for the throat and were ubber-conservative again. "

Am I the only one that remembers a 20-30 yard pass to Thrash late in the 4th Qrt, that he dropped? Or is Thrash such a great team player, that we aren't allowed to say anything when he messes up? But other than this, not a bad analysis by Jasno.

And since I mentioned it, the drops have to stop!! I know it wasn't as bad this week, I can only think of 2, but those were both big plays. Cooley's drop in the 1st half would have converted a third down, and the drop by Thrash would have pretty much put the game away. Get these WRs some sticky gloves or something, no more drops when the ball hits you in the hands!!!!

Posted by: gethanr13 | October 22, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

35332--Yeah but can this one win re-election? Joe Gibbs is no Karl Rove.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 22, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Wayne P,

Even if they are playing poorly, have you seen our offense? What would you call that?

Posted by: Greg(boston) | October 22, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Realist,

Wasn't the term "idiot kicker" applied to Vanderjagt who was exactly the type of reliable kicker that we'd like to have?

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 22, 2007 02:21 PM

Actually Peyton called him a dumb-a$$ kicker in the pro bowl a few years ago and that was the beginning of the end for him. Vanderjacked mouthed off when he had had too much to drink and pissed Peyton off.

Posted by: Larry Bud | October 22, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

This is a brilliant plan by JG and weird Al. Barely beat a sorry Zona team so NE looks past us next week. Brilliant. Let me be the first to predict:

Skins 21
Pats 17

Posted by: Forrest | October 22, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

The one thing I'm actually liking from this win is how down the mood is about our play. Skins have a bad habit of great wins (Philly, Detroit) followed by over-confidence followed by disappointing losses... and in the shadow of disappointing losses, they play great the following week. Maybe we can all pretend this was a loss to energize us to play great next week in NE.

Posted by: Alex | October 22, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

gethanr--

I don't agree with you on Betts. The guy hasn't had enough touches to get warmed up. Give him the same chance that Portis is getting because Portis isn't getting it done.

I do agree with you on the passing. Not only were there drops, but Campbell had a few ugly throws yesterday. He was not accurate. The passing game wasn't there any more than the running game was.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 22, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I heard the post game scuffle also and it had to do with the Redskin's Radio guys having their toes stepped on by a beat reporter when they were trying to get their "exclusive" interview with Chris Samuels. I guess Sonny really got his irish up and chased the dude away.

Also, Samuels said something about #94 for them spitting on him. Anybody else see that? I guess Samuels had to be restrained.

Posted by: Larry Bud | October 22, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Wayne P. is back?

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 22, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Forrest RULEZ
Patriot DRULEZ

Posted by: Dik | October 22, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Re: my above post, meant to point out that's what I always admired about Bellichek/Parcells/ and other coaches of that mold. Keep the team humble, keep them with something to prove... confidence good. overconfidence dangerous.

Posted by: Alex | October 22, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Miami's point total is not encouraging if you look inside the numbers. They scored a TD on a pick six thrown by the 3rd string QB who was promptly replaced by the Talented Mr. Brady who proceeded to lead another scoring drive.

And say what you want about the Fins but they can at least run the ball.

Posted by: LH | October 22, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Greg(Boston),

First, I didn't know you played for the Patriots. Second, this is essentially tongue-in-cheek. I am well aware of how YOUR offense is playing and even YOUR defense for that matter. I am digging for scraps of hope and there are a few, actually. At least you didn't argue that YOUR linebacking corps are playing crappily.

Further, we got a glimpse of the Patriots that Bill Beli-Cheat would have rather no one had seen. With anyone but TB guiding YOUR offense, the 'Pats are as beatable as anyone. I choose to remain optimistic.

The Redskins have shown us fans something over the last few years. They lose to teams they have no bsiness losing to and they beat teams they have no business beating.

Tell me I'm wrong.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 22, 2007 3:02 PM | Report abuse

BBM called him a "liquored-up kicker."

Posted by: Anonymous | October 22, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Daaaang - you just got Wayned!

Ok - if you choose to keep that ID.. keep up the good work.

Posted by: Dik | October 22, 2007 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Wayne, when I said "our offense" I meant the Redskins offense.


Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 22, 2007 3:05 PM | Report abuse

is Cindy's chat done?

Pretty funny stuff

Posted by: Dik | October 22, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I am still optimistic Greg. Sorry about the mixup.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 22, 2007 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Hail Greg(Boston)

Keep that chin up, tho!

Posted by: Dik | October 22, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Dik.

I will effort to continue to live up to your expectations. I pour my heart and soul into my comments and always try to convey.....oh sorry, I think my burrito is ready.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 22, 2007 3:09 PM | Report abuse

SkinsRealist:

I think Holt/Bruce are products of the Martz offense but I could be wrong going back to their super bowl days. I don't think so however.

Posted by: Glass Half Full? | October 22, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Did JC have a lot of time?

Was I watching a different game?

Holy c*ap!

Posted by: M&M | October 22, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

With that offensive line the skins are putting on the field, you could line Jim Brown back there and have NO production running the football. It doesn't matter if Portis, Betts, Cartwright, Blaylock(sp), or Mason is 5 yds. deep. For the Skins it's simple, No Randy Thomas = No productivity running. Better yet, 3/5 O-linemen injured = 3.5 yds./car.

N

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 22, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I can't agree that Campbell generally had time to throw, or that the line looked more comfortable pass blocking. I thought Campbell was under pretty much constant pressure, and he responded by getting rid of the ball fast to his outlet receiver.

Posted by: Will | October 22, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I was told there would be no math.

Posted by: Gerald Ford | October 22, 2007 3:13 PM | Report abuse

"I can't agree that Campbell generally had time to throw, or that the line looked more comfortable pass blocking. I thought Campbell was under pretty much constant pressure, and he responded by getting rid of the ball fast to his outlet receiver."

What game were you watching? Campbell was hardly pressured all game. I could be wrong, but I don't think he was sacked once.

Posted by: Last week was really this week and this week was last week | October 22, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Kudos to Cyn City for the fun chat. She took Qs from Redcoat and me, and I think I spotted some other blog peeps among the questioners. Cindy rocks. 'Nuff said.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 22, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Cindy did not answer my question.

That hurt.

Posted by: M&M | October 22, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I think he was sacked twice but definitely once.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 22, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

From an old Ask Jerry Markbreit column...

Jerry, at the end of the 1st half of the Bills-Patriots game, the Pats lined up for a field goal with seven seconds left but were called for a delay of game. They were moved back 5 yards and missed the kick. Why wasn't there a 10-second runoff to end the half? --Charles Jake, Cincinnati


In order to have a 10-second runoff, the clock has to be running when the foul occurs. The clock was stopped at seven seconds when the delay of game was called. The 10-second rule is very complicated, but in a nutshell, it can only be enforced during the last minute of either half by an offensive foul occurring at the snap. For example a false start or an illegal motion.

In our game against AZ, the game clock was NOT running when London called that time out. Therefore, even if AZ had a delay of game penalty, there would be no 10 second run off.

Posted by: PJ | October 22, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I like Cindy a lot.

Posted by: Tom Brady | October 22, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

one thing that I think we can all agree on up here, was that the Officals ruined that game on both sides. There were so many flags I was starting to get pissed when they called a penalty on Arizona.

Posted by: gethanr13 | October 22, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, PJ!!! Great detective work finding a Jerry Markbreit column. The clock was definitely stopped: Boldin got pushed out of bounds on the previous play. The bone-head timeout doesn't piss me off as much, now...Gracias!

Posted by: Ari | October 22, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

TE yes I did see the game yesterday. (remember I said it was great being back in the DC area) Yes I am a win is a win guy. With the O line we have right now I take it anyway we can get it. (earlier in the week I said the D would have to win it because O will be ugly with the make shift line)

If we are going to give a WR 10 mil I say let it be Mr. River Dance.

ESPN's Chris Mortensen sparked controversy before the game when he said on "Sunday NFL Countdown" that sources within the Bengals organization told him that Chad Johnson could be trade bait in the offseason

Posted by: jm220 | October 22, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Nicely done PJ. Essentially, it applies in a situation where the offense might gain an advantage (clock stoppage) by intentionally committing a penalty.

My question is once the clock starts running again, who is to say that an offensive player won't commit a penalty intentionally to stop the clock again?

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 22, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Nation, for making sure my chat wasn't dominated by the sound of crickets! You guys are the best.
M&M, what was your question?

Posted by: Cindy | October 22, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Oh I just wanted to know who was really slowed by the boo boo bug. Wade, Kendall ect.

Can't tell from the TV.

How do things look for next week.

Posted by: M&M | October 22, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

That report by Chris Mortensen almost guarentees that Chad Johnson will sign a long term contract.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 22, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

New England's preparation for the visiting Washington Redskins next Sunday:

Bill Belli-Cheat will be disecting the Redskins' offensive schemes and come up with a stifling defensive game plan over coffee and a breakfast burrito. The rest of the time he will be nailing one of his friend's wives. Look for a telltale off-color crusty stain on the front of his drab, team-issued 'hoodie.

Randy Moss will undo his gangsta' braids in an effort to challenge Shawn Taylor for "best afro in the league" while smoking some authentic Jamaican ganja he has delivered by the trashbag-full.

Tom Brady will prepare the way he always does. He will nail his supermodel girlfriend while applying some exotic papaya extract hair gel while simultaneously staring in the mirror, smiling and screaming repeatedly, "I'm Tom F-ing Brady!!!"

...to be continued...

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 22, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Wayne, thanks, I just spit coke on my screen.

Posted by: SkinsFan68 | October 22, 2007 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Wayne,

That is rediculous..... Everybody knows that Moss gets his bud from Canada!

Posted by: gethanr13 | October 22, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

It's Jamaican, trust me. It's probably routed through Canada into the NE area over the bridge in Michigan. That border crossing is so cake.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 22, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Extremeskins.com is a dictatorship run by Danny Boy


Yesterday I voiced my opinion about Gibbs and all these worthless players that are just collecting a paycheck and I guess you can't have freedom of speech on this site. It was immediately closed and you no longer see the post. That's amazing how corrupt Danny boy and his clan try to tight lipped fans because it's a threat to his pocket book.

I really don't care b/c I know this team and this whole organization will lose their fans soon. Gibbs should go be an evangelical priest and stop coaching football. He should also take with him the players that lean on the ground with him hoping for a miracle. We all know they do this so they can stay on the team and collect a paycheck. Gibbs has lost the will to score points. He's coaching not to lose and hoping his defense will win the game for him, what a joke.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 22, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Wayne,

Pretty funny. What about Cory Dillon?

Posted by: Alex | October 22, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I like his approach. I'd still have to gas him.

Posted by: Hitler | October 22, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I haven't been ducking your question on the locker room stuff; I just don't want to make it a bigger deal than it was...One of our new writers mistakenly thought he could ask questions. As I said, he's new and his wife and 12-week-old son are still in L.A., which is being ravaged by wildfires. A tough day, that's all.

Posted by: Cindy | October 22, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Wayne,

Pretty funny. What about Cory Dillon?

Posted by: Alex | October 22, 2007 03:49 PM

Is he still on the Pats? I didn't think he was even playing still.

Posted by: gethanr13 | October 22, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I would echo several things I have read here:

1) We fielded a 2nd string center, a 3rd string RG/3rd string RT. The running game was not there. Reminded me of the first half of last year. Seriously.

2) Portis is not explosive. He is not beating LB's to the corner. Sure, the blocking wasn't all that yesterday (see #1) but he does not seem to be able to outrun people like he used to. I agree that Betts needs more reps.

3) Play calling - UBERCONSERVATIVE. I understand the why (see #1). But puhlease! Use your QB's arm for the intermediate stuff (10-15 yard outs/crossing routes with an occasional attempt deep). How many passes to Moss (and yes I know he dropped some last week)? Run - 2 yards, run 1 yard, 3rd and 7 - blitz with need to dump underneath is not a recipe for success. Did we throw on first down at all yesterday? Where was the Detroit game play calling?

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | October 22, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I haven't been ducking your question on the locker room stuff;

C'mon Cindy, just tell us if he got in at least one good blow, like a knuckle to the chin or something.

I'm sure Frank Herzog would've loved to have been there, sneak in a cheap-shot or two.


Posted by: Megskin | October 22, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

So who kicked the other Janso's arse?

Larry Michael?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 22, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I just wish that the Redskins would show up for the 2nd half.

Posted by: De Ray Elder | October 22, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

So have I been cut, or what, yo?

Posted by: TheReceiver | October 22, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Mark Mosely was on Comcast last week and made a good point about kickers. He said that teams don't stick with kickers long enough through rough streaks before cutting them...that's why you never have a good one.

Also, when I watched the couple of plays Betts was in, he hit the hole much faster and with more confidence. JLac is right on about Portis. He's not the same back. He can block real good though, which is a plus.

Posted by: sicwidit | October 22, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I mean I'am a Free agent bust you know...so I Mean I caint do much about it.

Posted by: Clinton Portis | October 22, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Funny that I thought the Lloyd rumor might be true after his less than confident take on the NE game with the Junkies this morning.

Posted by: Wes Mantooth | October 22, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Megskin, let me echo Cindy's hearty welcome back! Good to read you again. Somebody (MV?) needs to go back and find your original treatise that garnered you so much bloggy fame....

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | October 22, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Dunno about availability for Sunday yet....

Posted by: Cindy | October 22, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I will try to contain my "I told you so's" regarding Clinton Soreness. He is washed up at the ripe old age of 25 or 26. I say make him a backup safety, he does hit fairly well.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 22, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Pulldown, somebody archived the FAQ, but not the articles, on the wiki: http://redskinsinsiders.wetpaint.com/

And thanks! Don't have as much time this year to stop by though. Too much worky-work.

Posted by: Megskin | October 22, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

At Eastern Motors...
Yo job's yo cred-it.

With Clinton Portis...
You 'bes fo-get-it.

Four-hundred-fifty-thousand...
He gets per game.

Then he rips off a run of 3 yards....
and pulls up lame.

At Eastern Motors....
Yo job's yo cred-it.

When Clinton fumbles...
You 'bes fo-get-it.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 22, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

As I said, i don't think Portis is acting like the same back he has been (or was 2 seasons ago). He isn't hitting the hole, making the cut backs or beating people to the end like he used to. I just don't get the sense that he is going to break a long one at any minute.

So why not go back to trying more of what worked in the last 7 games last year (with Betts getting more reps).

That being said, I will freely admit that Portis is twice as good as Betts at blocking for the QB on passes. Betts misses assignments on that all the time. Portis NEVER does (and he made a great block yesterday on a blitz up the middle on someone who was not touched by the line that prevented a sack).

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | October 22, 2007 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Bring in Vanderjact for a workout. IF he looks good, makes his kicks. Sign him. Sign him. Sign him.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 22, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I want to go out and get all liquored up with him.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 22, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Vanderjagt is a locker room pariah. This team has enough problems already without adding Vanderjagt to the mix.

I think we should stick with the guy we've got, like Mark Moseley said. I remember when we gave up on Akers and he's worked out pretty well for Philadelphia.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 22, 2007 4:23 PM | Report abuse

What's really wrong with the Skins' offense?

1) I don't think you can put it all on coaching. Coaching is a part of it, but look and see how many dropped balls we've had this season.

2) The problem is in my previous point...there's something different each week with the offense. We know what we're getting every week with the defense, even last year when they were sorry, we knew they were going to get beat deep. It was a personnel issue, not scheme and I can live with that (Remember, some of you called for Williams' head!)

3) The offense is too inconsistent and has been under Gibbs. I am a Gibbs' optimist but, you have to wonder what's going on? I think Saunders is calling the plays with a lot of meddling from Gibbs. I've worked for a meddling boss and this wreaks of micromanagemnt.

4) Having said that...I don't think this offense will ever be great under Gibbs. The defense has been great for 2 out of 3 seasons. They may be good enough to win, but Gibbs, to me, doesn't have that killer instinct of Williams

Posted by: sicwidit | October 22, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

It would be a big mistake to "start worrying" about Suisham. Just let the kid continue to develop and gain confidence.

The dump a young kicker because he misses a few led to Aker's demise with the Redskins. See how well that turned out for us?

Posted by: Cindy's boy toy | October 22, 2007 02:05 PM

te - others are in agreement with you.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 22, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Jason Reid should be given Pulitzer if he's the one who started a fight with that no good hack Larry Michaels.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 22, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

They played the clip on Redskins Lunch today. The "new guy" was very confrontational saying "get your hands off me" and later "what are you gonna do about it?" In a very JLC-ish voice.

Posted by: Dumdelorian | October 22, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

think about his when it comes to the offense and playcalling and why were not being aggressive everyone is blaming Saunders and Iam not sayig he doesn't deserve any blame what iam saying is that Gibbs is allowing him to be more conservative rather than be aggressive despite the fact he gets the blame and he knows that Snyder has his back it will be saunders who goes before Gibbs and trust me when I tell you this if Saunders Knew it was going to be like this there is no way he would have taken the job despite the fact he would be working for Gibbs HOF coach there is nothing worse than someone having to hold your hand and telling you how to do your job.

Posted by: armen | October 22, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the above post regarding the offense. They're not going to be a running team with this offensive line. So they need to change on the fly. They need to become a passing offense, which will then open up the running attack. Running Portis into the line for 40 plus yards yesterday was a lesson in futility. If Saunders pared the playbook down once, he needs to do it again. Teams all over the league with MUCH LESSER talent that the Redskins have, enjoyed a great deal of success passing yesterday. The NFL is a passing league, more-so than a running league anyway. Don't believe me, who are the top two teams? NE, and Indy.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 22, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes you have to win ugly in order make it to the playoffs...that being said it was ugly because we're hurt. If we had all of our starters we'd be MUCH better and the plays that were being called would probably produce a lot more...that being said "IF" my aunt had a sack she'd be my uncle....

Posted by: POOP | October 22, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Larry Michael is undoubtedly one of the worst play-by-play guys to ever put on a headset. His down and distance is always off by a yard or more.

Oh, my favorite this year, I think it was the Giants RB who hit the turf with his elbow then dropped the ball.

Larry was screaming it was fumble. When he makes mistakes (and they are often), you never hear a correction or apology.

His arrogance is unmeasurable.

Thanks to the little owner who loves yes men around him, Frank continues to be sorely missed.

Posted by: GAD | October 22, 2007 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

The teams that enjoyed success passing yesterday (say, Arizona) had a quarterback who played better than Jason Campbell played and they had receivers who played better than that sorry crew of Redskins receivers have played for the last two weeks.

Play all you want with the playbook. That's not the problem. It's the players on the field.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 22, 2007 4:47 PM | Report abuse

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?

Posted by: Mike Patrick | October 22, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

The interview was being conducted in the middle of the room. No one had previously told Reid that it was off-limits; if they had, he wouldn't have been there.

Posted by: Cindy | October 22, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, Gibbs pressers are downright embarrassing.

What a waste of time - last week he stated they 'played hard' 8 times. Did he think we didn't hear the first 7 times?

Swanson or someone over there needs to pull this clown in and teach him how to speak openly and honestly to his over-paying fan base.

Posted by: GAD | October 22, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if it's been discussed yet, but defending an onside kick is not that complicated. All a Skins defender has to do is knock the ball out of bounds and it's our ball there. Could be risky at times, but if a player has a shot at it, it's a pretty good and safe play.

Posted by: PQW | October 22, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

i admire the way they kept pounding the ball yesterday but i admit it didnt accomplish much.we need work there, however pounding the ball still seems appropriate in a way. either way im calling it: the skins are taking one from the patriots this weekend. Expect the pats passing attack to have a much tougher time against the skins' secondary. every time t.o. or keyshawn came to fedex it was a tough physical game,when moss came with oakland (granted lack of a good quarterback) taylor was covering moss effectively. expect it to be a battle in the secondary, but the pats will have to run to win.

Posted by: skinsfolife | October 22, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Quit Wayneing Portis!

Posted by: Dik | October 22, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, is J2 a big dude? Just curious.

I'm figuring Wilbon is on the tall end of the WashPo sports roster, and you and J-La are on the short end. And I think I remember seeing a pic of Jason Reid somewhere which gave me the idea he's a big dude. Where are Boz, Wise, Maske and Mr. Tony in that lineup by height?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 22, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Pats 31 - Skins 14 aided by a late NE touchdown...and we'll call it a moral victory. However, our offense simply cannot match up.

Posted by: Glass Half Full? | October 22, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

TA, I disagree.

We hamstrung our players by the types of plays that we ran. We threw a 3 yard pass to Cooley. We threw a 2 yard pass to Moss. WHY?

After the problems that Moss had last week, I'd have thrown 3 passes his way right out of the gate to get him involved and to get his confidence up. We basically ignored him for the majority of the game, and when we needed yards, we threw to Thrash.

We're not fooling anyone but ourselves with this offense.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 22, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Gregg Williams has rebuilt the Redskins' defense by using a completely different approach. Relying on a coverage-based scheme built on a two-deep format, Williams is playing to the strength of his personnel (linebackers and secondary) and the results have been outstanding. Entering the Cardinals' game, the Redskins fourth-ranked defense had allowed only two passing touchdowns and had forced 11 turnovers. Though the Cardinals scored through the air twice, the defense came up with three critical turnovers that led to another win. The Redskins will be in the playoff hunt all season behind the strength of a vastly improved defense.

Posted by: Skinz | October 22, 2007 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Also, Cindy, please give J-Reid a big shot of blog love for jumping into this beat in midseason and leaving his family on the other coast for a while. That's TWO tough undertakings, and he must be under a lot of stress. More so than J-La (local sicknesses of the family and automotive variety) even.

Also, if Reid wanted to holler at the blog sometime, that would be cool.

HAIL

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 22, 2007 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Sorry that was from ESPN.

Posted by: Skinz | October 22, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

uh... we won.

keep complaining at the victories, people. maybe that'll keep 'em winning!

10-6!

Posted by: Dik | October 22, 2007 5:04 PM | Report abuse

anyone else listening to this garbage????

heroes everywhere.

Warner one of the best QB's ever...

it's enough to make you sick. thank god they cut it off.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 22, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Why don't we throw the bubble screen to Moss anymore? It seems like a good play since our O-line is hurt.

Posted by: 5 cent | October 22, 2007 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I believe we threw a bubble screen to moss in the first half.

Posted by: Da Truef | October 22, 2007 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Re: this presser going on...

I hate to be to harsh here, but Gibbs is so unbelievable it is laughable.

He runs laps with the O-team when they fumble in practice? He just said that. Are you kidding me?

Practices are closed, so he can lie about anything concerning practice.

Portis called him out on the offensive practices yday (stating they were crap) and Gibbs was squirming trying to lie his way out of it.

Posted by: GAD | October 22, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I must have been perusing the fridge...anyway, I think it would be a good idea to throw it to ARE and Moss a bunch if we can't run the ball.
If they get it in space, they have just as good a chance as Portis and the O=line pulling several 3 and outs.

Posted by: 5 cent | October 22, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I'm not short!!!!!!!!! I'm 5-6, 5-9 in Manolos!!!!
Wilbon, Tk and Wise are on the tall end of our spectrum; I'm guessing JReid and Boz are around 5-10; Maske and JLaC are probably the shortest.


Posted by: Cindy | October 22, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

JReid will be here one day. Count on it.

Posted by: Cindy | October 22, 2007 5:15 PM | Report abuse

All fou stupid PORTIS lovers are eating your words NOW! I told you in begining and most of you and still some of you look like ANAL HAIR and smell like redskin BALLS that are sweaty!PORTIS FUC**NG SUCKS got it?

Posted by: the I TOLD YOU SO fan | October 22, 2007 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs re: NE Pats. What do you say to your team?

"We're going into a tough sit. Our players will see the film and make up they're own minds. How we are going to match up with them I don't sit around and try to figure out."

WHAT???!!!!

If you don't figure it out, who will?

Where is the motivation? Where is the confidence?

Honestly, watch this presser - Gibbs is giving up 6 days before hand. He's smart though, he can say "I knew it would be tough".

Posted by: GAD | October 22, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs 2.0 is just too conservative. I know he loved to run the ball his first time around, but he had a team who set a record for points scored in a season. He had a team who had 3 receivers that went over 1000 yards. He is just unwilling to stretch the field on any consistent basis and that is going to continue to hurt them. His offense is playing not to lose instead of playing to win. He didn't stop throwing the ball when Rypien and Humphries were young, should be no reason why he shouldn't throw the ball down the field with a young Campbell either. Clearly doing what they are doing is not working.

Posted by: Doug | October 22, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Oh, that's right, TK is kind of tall. I tend to forget about that because of the character he plays, Crotchety Old Man.

So... how much taller are you than Maske and J-La, and does that make them uncomfortable?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 22, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

JCs 95 yrds (pathetic) is Next and ill give it a few more weeks before i rub his SUCKY ass in your FACES? remember ryan leaf had all the tools and ramsey and shuler which all were annointed savoirs like JC before they proved anything on field! look how they turned out!

Posted by: the I TOLD YOU SO fan | October 22, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Just spent my entire class readying the blog. Really worth my time.

Wayne P. is that really you? You've acclimated well since coming up here like gang-busters.

Any health updates? How's Rock's leg?

Posted by: Dorf | October 22, 2007 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Cindy didn't answer my question either. I asked about Ed Hochuli and whether he'd be a better offensive lineman or tight end.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 22, 2007 5:23 PM | Report abuse

So, I checked the Patriots schedule, the only decent teams they've played so far are Dallas and San Diego.

San Diego's D is ranked 16th. Dallas is ranked 7th.

After next Sunday they play:
Indy
Buffalo
Philadelphia
Baltimore
Pittsburgh
Jets
Miami
Giants

LFM

Posted by: Stumped | October 22, 2007 5:26 PM | Report abuse

How we play against NE will depend upon who's ready to play.

Posted by: Stumped | October 22, 2007 5:29 PM | Report abuse

In the old days of Joe Gibbs 1.0, you could afford to stuff QBs on the practice squad and play them after they had several years of clipboard experience. Rypien sat on the bench from 87-90 before getting to play. I don't think St. Joe is comfortable playing such a young QB. As a casual observer with no real insight into the team, that would be my guess. Needless to say, I'm with nearly everyone else about how conservative this team is. I completely understand the injury situation affects everything. But come on...it's the NFL. Three games with several consecutive three and outs? Something is wrong there that goes beyond injuries.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 22, 2007 5:30 PM | Report abuse

It'll depend not only on who but also on how. Campbell, Portis, Moss, Cooley, can't play like they did yesterday.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 22, 2007 5:31 PM | Report abuse

GAD,

His pressers are sad. We used to run laps in high school after a fumble and I thought that was a joke. Can you imagine what his 50 million dollar players think???

WHAT A JOKE THIS GUY HAS TURNED INTO.

Award winners? What does that even mean? I guess he's talking about some of the "heroes" on the team?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 22, 2007 5:31 PM | Report abuse

I'd say they're probably 5-7....
:)

Posted by: Cindy | October 22, 2007 5:32 PM | Report abuse

P Diddy,

It called super ultra conservative play calling. After the JC interception late in the first half Joe's gut tightened and he reverted back to super ultra conservative guy.

Posted by: Forrest | October 22, 2007 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Something is wrong there that goes beyond injuries.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 22, 2007 05:30 PM

Execution, maybe?

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 22, 2007 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Who are we executing?

Posted by: John D in Houston | October 22, 2007 5:36 PM | Report abuse

John D--

You new to the blog?

We're executing almost anyone on the O coaching staff, everyone in the front office, and anyone who made any mistake in any of the last three weeks (except Taylor, Fletcher, Carter). We'll go after you, too, if we don't like the way you sign your name.

Ooh! Almost forgot -- Brandon Llloyd.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 22, 2007 5:41 PM | Report abuse

t-e, you are totally right. The players have executed poorly. But that's been consistently true for 5 out of 6 games. Come on. There is no accountability there. St. Joe is a legend and personal hero to me, and many others. But again and again and again, this team is incapable of pulling it all together. Coaching, preparation, execution...it's all in there.

The saving grace is that the NFC stinks and 9-7 will get you in the playoffs.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 22, 2007 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Diddy

I went to the other side on Gibbs yesterday. The only way Gibbs can restore the esteem he'd earned is to admit that he can't do the job and to move on. I'm still not sure on Saunders.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 22, 2007 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Cindy,

Even though I have no idea what you look like, I'm picturing you as a 5'9" young Kim Catrall due to the Manolo reference. I will always associate those shoes with Sex and the City.

I feel like Dumbledore right now...

Posted by: Larry Bud | October 22, 2007 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Of course, the defense and special teams have been nothing short of stellar (kicking excepted). I simply don't know enough details and am obviously not privy to what's really happening to point fingers at any one specific person.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 22, 2007 5:47 PM | Report abuse

puh. Crappy game. Severe props all around to Mark Warner!

Skins should have lost that one ... and should have won the Packers game. Now I've should my pants. Oops.

An offense, an offense, my kingdom for an offense! [Shouldy little kingdom that it is ... now that King Card is gone.]

Loved the performance by the D (minus the Fletcher taunt), though the May Hens seemed fairly restrained. Guess that happens when the Skins lose the time of possession game so badly. I like the games against pass heavy offenses better. That Edge ... he was pulling a Skins on US! Keeping the D on the field.

Pats have, lets see, Maroney (baloney), Morris (hurt too), and Kevin Faulk (oooo, I'm so scared). Should be a better outing by the D. The only problem is that the Pats have TWO solid TEs (Watson and K. Brady). See Bubba Franks and Donald Lee. Yes, me worry.

I think, however, the Skins should actually be able to do BETTER at controlling the Pats than they did with the Cards (which isn't saying much).

Cards game was a "should sandwich". ["They can't print that. Can they print that?"]

Posted by: dcsween | October 22, 2007 5:47 PM | Report abuse

So I take it that no one has been able to confirm that it was JReid that started the Reportapalooza? I think it was Sonny that was most irked. I heard him say a couple of times, "Get your hands off him." I don't know if he was refering to Samuels or Sam or Larry, but he was very agitated and didn't ask a question after that.

Posted by: Larry Bud | October 22, 2007 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Severe props all around to Mark Warner!
-sween

Yes, the former Gov. of VA did play very well...

Posted by: Larry Bud | October 22, 2007 5:51 PM | Report abuse

FYI - that was not me that posted about Brandon Lloyd earlier today. I'm really sick of these idiot fakers.....

Posted by: Lisa | October 22, 2007 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Man, east coast drive time means dead blog... Can't you guys drive and blackberry at the same time???

Posted by: Larry Bud | October 22, 2007 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Lisa,

Do you own any Manolo Balaniks? Cindy does...

Just trying to stir up a little hair pullin'

Posted by: Larry Bud | October 22, 2007 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Yes, there is a God.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 22, 2007 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Now someone's faking Cindy. Is nothing sacred?

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 22, 2007 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Is it possible that 4-12 has returned with all his magnanimous glory?

welcome back 4-12. Thou art welcome back to the kingdom brave sir.

Posted by: dcsween | October 22, 2007 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Last year the Defense performed poorly because of injuries and personnel issues.

This year the offensive line has been decimated.

Basically, we lack the depth we need to perform at a high level every week.

Dysfunction along the OL can make everybody look bad.

Then there are all those dropped balls...

TE - I think the players will step it up this Sunday; but, will it be enough?

Maybe, if no one quits.

Posted by: Stumped | October 22, 2007 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Thanks sween. glad to be here. is it true they cut the receiver? that's great news but I cant find it anywhere.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 22, 2007 6:02 PM | Report abuse

4-12

Jasno's stated on multiple occassions that the Skins can't cut him for cap reasons and, even if they could, it wouldn't be a good idea given the other receivers they have on the roster. I am convinced Jasno knows on this one.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 22, 2007 6:06 PM | Report abuse

4-12, that was fake dcsween (probably the same as fake Cindy and fake Nate).

Kurt Warner for one-armed Governor!

Posted by: dcsween | October 22, 2007 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm voting for usernames and passwords.

4-12 (trying to prove THIS one is from real dcsween), are you at all nervous about what might happen if they win in Foxboro this weekend?

Posted by: dcsween | October 22, 2007 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Lloyd has not been cut.

Posted by: Cindy | October 22, 2007 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm horribly confused (not too rare). sween, did you post the Mark Warner comment?

I second the username idea, BTW.

Posted by: Larry Bud | October 22, 2007 6:18 PM | Report abuse

So, do you own the Manolo's or not, Cyn Cyty?

Posted by: Larry Bud | October 22, 2007 6:19 PM | Report abuse

I am confused because that was not me earlier. I vote for usernames too.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 22, 2007 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Hooray Guinness! Hooray beer! Hooray user names and passwords.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 22, 2007 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Actually I do...

Posted by: Cindy | October 22, 2007 6:21 PM | Report abuse

See, now that had to be fake Cindy. The real Cindy always ignores me.

Posted by: Larry Bud | October 22, 2007 6:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm just kidding, Cindy. You've been nothing but kind to me.

Posted by: Larry Bud | October 22, 2007 6:25 PM | Report abuse

I think they were all fake Cindy. The real Cindy put in a bravura performance on the chat today and is out having a cosmo or whatever those things are that girls drink. Tellin' 'em all how she did it.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 22, 2007 6:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm just kidding, Cindy. You've been nothing but kind to me.

Posted by: Larry Bud | October 22, 2007 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Well, where'er she is and what'er she's a'drinkin', she's always been kind to me.

Actually, I enjoy an nice appletini every now and again. Are you saying there's something wrong with that, TE?

I know, very Dumbledore.

Posted by: Larry Bud | October 22, 2007 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Prepare yourselves; we're headed down the road to user names and passwords.

Posted by: Cindy | October 22, 2007 6:37 PM | Report abuse

For what it's worth, Saunders just stated on Sportsnet that it is time to turn Jason loose.....

Posted by: Lisa | October 22, 2007 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Prepare yourselves; we're headed down the road to user names and passwords.

Posted by: Cindy | October 22, 2007 06:37 PM

First to call it -

Fake Cindy!

Posted by: Cindy's boy toy | October 22, 2007 6:45 PM | Report abuse

F fakers

Posted by: Anonymous | October 22, 2007 6:50 PM | Report abuse

I am interested to see what that means "turning JC loose."

Until we get healthy receivers that can hold on to the ball, I am not sure turning Soups loose will make a difference. It is so frustrating watching the dropped passes.

I know this is practically sacreligious and I am about to be the subject of blogging wrath but....

Start The Receiver and McCardell until Moss and ARE are 100% healthy (and Moss proves that he can hold on to the ball).

Posted by: Cindy's boy toy | October 22, 2007 6:50 PM | Report abuse

It seems like Jason picked the wrong week to complain about Portis - no fumbles and 2 TDs behind the offensive line that by Jason's own words is not very good in run blocking. Yes, his yards per carry average were bad, but Portis accounted for 100% of scoring by the offense. It is not fair to single out Portis, particularly when we have bigger problems than the guy who scored our only two TDs on offense in this game.

Posted by: M | October 22, 2007 6:55 PM | Report abuse

M, I agree 100%. CP just has a way of getting those necessary yards. Imagine if the Redskins gave CP the ball at the end of the Giants game and the 4th and 1 against the Packers. We would be 6-0!

OK, that is a little naive. The point is that CP is a stud that gets those hard yards and will find the end zone.

F CP haters (my first F ever)

Posted by: Cindy's boy toy | October 22, 2007 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Okay, now I'm not sure which is the real me!!!! But this is me, I swear. Larry Bud, I do indeed own one pair of Manolos. I don't care for martinis, altho I do enjoy olives.

Posted by: Cindy | October 22, 2007 7:05 PM | Report abuse

I CMGO and BMGO today, BTW.

Posted by: Cindy | October 22, 2007 7:07 PM | Report abuse

To elaborate....Saunders said they have been conservative (especially this week). That the O line was not set until just about gametime and they had not practiced enough together to gel...the center had never started a game...the right tackle had not played right tackle before, etc. That all the coaches agreed when we were up 21-6 to just protect the ball. He then said it's time to turn Jason loose and show what he is capable of doing...however, he did mention that our receivers keep dropping the balls.

Clinton said after the game that the dropped balls were happening in practice as well and that it has to stop so the offense can help the defense.

Posted by: Lisa | October 22, 2007 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I the skins should play the receiver and mcCardell more also.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 22, 2007 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Cindy great job today!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 22, 2007 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Great info Lisa, where'd you get it from?
4th quarter drive chart from NFL.com

StartTm TmPoss Began #Plays Yards Result
14:52 2:28 WAS 30 3 8 Punt
07:14 1:29 WAS 13 3 5 Punt
03:38 1:01 WAS 20 3 4 Punt
00:02 0:02 WAS 45 1 -1 End

I really have to say... they did a fine job protecting the ball. They could have also made "running down the clock" a priority. I am all about ultra-conservative if it leaves you with a W at the end of the game, but at least do ultra-conservative right. The coaching in the 4th quarter was reckless.

Posted by: Dorf | October 22, 2007 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Monday Afternonn H-Back

By Jason La Canfora | October 22, 2007; 1:07 PM ET

Just realized that Jasno misspelled the title of his post.

Is that a first?

Posted by: Cindy's boy toy | October 22, 2007 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Our girl Hope Solo takes down Ryan

http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/7364448?MSNHPHMA

Posted by: Cindy's boy toy | October 22, 2007 7:36 PM | Report abuse

No way Betts would do better than CP! One of the earlier games they had the same amount of carries and CP out gain Betts. Betts isn't going to out run anyone. I believe some of you complain just to complain.

Posted by: jm220 | October 22, 2007 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Nope not a first. I remember (during the offseason i think) he mispelled Brunell in the title of a post and some people got all over him.

Posted by: RockyTopSkin | October 22, 2007 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Dorf, I got my info from interviews on Comcast Sportsnet.....

Posted by: Lisa | October 22, 2007 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, btw ty for posting that info.

For those of us that are no longer in the DC area, it is greatly appreciated.

Posted by: Cindy's boy toy | October 22, 2007 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | October 22, 2007 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Diddy (or any Skins fan in Seattle) - Where can a guy watch the Skins without getting the dish? I'm two weeks from relocating (I land about midway through the second quarter of the Jets game) and I'm getting worried that I won't be able to watch the boys go 10 - 6.

Posted by: Ghost of Plimpton | October 22, 2007 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Well, where'er she is and what'er she's a'drinkin', she's always been kind to me.

Actually, I enjoy an nice appletini every now and again. Are you saying there's something wrong with that, TE?

I know, very Dumbledore.

Posted by: Larry Bud | October 22, 2007 06:28 PM

She seems to always be kind to everybody. It's her way. I've never seen her write a cross word to anyone.

Look we all enjoy those drinks, as long as they have alcohol in them. We just don't order them in front of anyone else, and we sure don't admit to enjoying them. Where were you when they were handing out the macho?

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 22, 2007 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | October 22, 2007 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Tuna reaching under Schlereth's butt is worse than Wade Phillips's tongue. This is ridiculous.

Posted by: SMACK | October 22, 2007 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Russell Crowe in the booth for an hour. That's great. That's just great. I just threw my cellphone across the room.

Posted by: SMACK | October 22, 2007 8:37 PM | Report abuse

SMACK,

During MNF, mute is your friend.

Posted by: JustMe | October 22, 2007 8:45 PM | Report abuse

I'd hate to miss TK's Chuck Norris references, but the mute button will be in effect for the 3rd Crowe-ter.

Posted by: SMACK | October 22, 2007 9:05 PM | Report abuse

The MNF telecast is the worst in history. TK is AWFUL, and I like him in everything else he does, but man he is terrible.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 22, 2007 9:43 PM | Report abuse

I've been watching it in blissful silence all night. :-)

Posted by: JustMe | October 22, 2007 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Ghost of Plimpton, I don't know Seattle anywhere near as well as Diddy, but I think there are a couple of can't-miss options in the city center.

There's a Fox Sports Grill downtown:
http://www.foxsportsgrill.com/seattle/

and this place near the Space Needle, just north of downtown (as you probably know)
http://seattle.citysearch.com/profile/41612955/seattle_wa/sport_restaurant_and_bar.html

Also tons of neighborhood bars around once you get settled in. Congrats on the move and of course HAIL!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 22, 2007 9:53 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, I can't agree with you. NOTHING is worse than looking at Wade Phillips tongue...except maybe watching his Pillsbury Dough Boy body jumping up and down in excitement.

Posted by: Lisa | October 22, 2007 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JustMe | October 22, 2007 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Haha, Lisa, I know how that image pains you!

You can always tell you're in Jacksonville because Molly Hatchet played at half-time and the air is still thick with smoke of the pyrotechnic and other variety.

Posted by: SMACK | October 22, 2007 10:18 PM | Report abuse

i really hope russell crowe plays some of his songs. his band is awesome.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 22, 2007 10:24 PM | Report abuse

http://www.gruntland.com/tofog.htm

Should be in the rock n roll HOF. Best music out there today.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 22, 2007 10:26 PM | Report abuse

As much as I hate the idea of restrictions on peoples freedoms I think the username and passwords may be nessisary. Though I want to make it clear, that censorship would still be wrong.

Posted by: 35332 | October 22, 2007 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Russell Crowe?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

ESPN should give MNL to Lifetime...I think theywould do a better job at this point

NO MO freakin guests....its a tight freakin marquee game!!!!!!!

Posted by: chris larry | October 22, 2007 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Oh and I agree that the ESPN broadcasts are weak.

1. Pro sports, especally the NFL belong on national broadcast TV not cable.
2. SNF and MNF both suffer from the same problem they are forgetting that its about the Football not the other crap, its not about celeb. guest spots or anything else. I don't ever want to see Hollywood cameos untill LA has a team.

Posted by: 35332 | October 22, 2007 10:40 PM | Report abuse

I did not know Mr. Fighting Round the World owned a rugby team. I give him props for that.

Posted by: 35332 | October 22, 2007 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Jack Del Rio is an idiot. First, he decides they need to go for it from midfield with almost 3 minutes left in the 1st half. Now, this dolt has the second string QB attempt 2 straight passes from the end zone when the team's strength is running the ball.

Posted by: JustMe | October 22, 2007 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Ghost, welcome to the Emerald City.

Nate's two places are good choices...

Sport Restaurant and Bar (right below the Needle, and 2 blocks from my condo :-) )
Fox Sports Grill (downtown)
Spitfire Grill (4th and Blanchard, in Belltown) (this is the place I would choose)
Jillian's (a true dump, I would avoid it)

I'm sure there are more I can point you to if those don't work out for you.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 22, 2007 10:47 PM | Report abuse

My friends, please leave Larry Michael alone. He is a great play by play man. I should know, I gave CBS a 3rd round draft pick for him!!!

FYI, I spent some time in Playacar Mexico last week and was pleasantly surprised to see a Johnny Rockets!

Posted by: Cerratto | October 22, 2007 10:50 PM | Report abuse

The true economics about modern football are that the games are loss leaders for the networks to pimp its network programming. And, because most networks are owned by big film studios, they are also vehicles for promoting new films. As the NFL demands more and more for its television contracts, the networks will do more and more of this nonsense. There's no point in bemoaning it. Just mute and move on. It's when they miss video of the plays to do these silly promotions that we should be up in arms.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 22, 2007 10:52 PM | Report abuse

tugger just killed himself.

makin movies, makin music and fightin 'round the world!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 22, 2007 10:53 PM | Report abuse

That soccer coach knew he was doomed. The Force is strong with Hope Solo (daughter of Han and Leia). She probably did the Darth Vader chock thing on him. "These aren't the soccer coaches you're looking for."

Posted by: P Diddy | October 22, 2007 10:55 PM | Report abuse

I started my fantasy season with Mark Bulger and Steve McNair as my QBs. They both have sucked horribly and I just traded Lee Evans for David Gerrard and now I'm hearing Gerrard is hurt? I need that guy to get me 4 points tonight and he comes up 1 point short! You got to be kidding me.

I also have Maroney as a RB and Santana Moss as a WR. The Fantasy gods hate me.

The Dorf does NOT abide on this one.

Posted by: Dorf | October 22, 2007 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Woohoo! I'm going to knock off Bangkokben and Nate in the one week!

Setting up a top of the table match with SMACK!

Posted by: kost52 | October 22, 2007 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Watching this MNF game, I fear that the 'Skins will suffer the same fate as the Jags next week.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 22, 2007 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Russell Crowe?? Eww come on people!

Who likes his band?? Nobody in Australia that's for sure!

Please see the great Aussie Punk hit by Frenzal Rhomb -

http://www.uppercutmusic.com/artist_f/frenzal_rhomb_lyrics/russell_crowes_band_lyrics.html

Posted by: kost52 | October 22, 2007 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Dorf, I have Mulroney, Henry, Gore and Williams as my RBs. Between injuries and bye weeks, I've had two weeks where the total sum points for RB's has been zero.

Strangely enough I'm 1-1 those two weeks.

Posted by: noone from tampa | October 22, 2007 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Under the radar
Under the radar
Under the radar
Under the radar
Under the radar
Under the radar
Under the radar
Under the radar

MNF sucks sucks sucks.

I like Jaws and Korn is a good writer.

Posted by: M&M | October 22, 2007 11:39 PM | Report abuse

These six games will make or break the Redskins season:

11/04 - Jets
11/11 - Eagles
11/18 - Cowboys
11/25 - Bucs (stay away from the Mons)
12/02 - Bills
12/06 - Bears

We need to go at least 4-2 during this stretch to have a shot at the playoffs.
We finish with three tough games (Giants, Vikings and Cowboys). We need to beat the Jets, Eagles, Bucs, Bears, the last two for tie breakers purposes. If we can also beat the Bills, we probably make the playoffs.

Posted by: noone from tampa | October 22, 2007 11:53 PM | Report abuse

That Suisham missed field goal was flat-out ugly. I hate to see a kicker miss like that.

Regarding the London Fletcher penalty, it frustrates me how much the NFL is cracking down on celebration. They call *that* taunting? Facing the opposing team's sideline or not, a player should be able to celebrate a good play. maybe nfl teams should start putting their players on heavy doses of lithium. we need more robots.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | October 23, 2007 12:10 AM | Report abuse

NFC East ugly? How did New York manage to stay off this list?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071022/od_nm/philadelphia_unattractive1_dc;_ylt=AlU4oCTlK7J5rPGHxg_0AEEDW7oF
PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) - Philadelphia is home to the least attractive people in the United States, a survey of visitors and residents showed on Friday....

...For unattractiveness, Philadelphia just beat out Washington DC and Dallas/Fort Worth for the bottom spot...

Posted by: Alan | October 23, 2007 12:36 AM | Report abuse

At the beginning of the year our schedule looked somewhat favo(u)rable for a playoff run. I'm not so sure about that now.

Ray Brown needs to get back in that locker room and inspire these guys to go on a tear.

That or Matt Foley.

"YOU'RE GUNNA END UP EATING A STEADY DIET OF GOVERNMENT CHEESE AND LIVING IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!"

Posted by: Dorf | October 23, 2007 1:06 AM | Report abuse

we got the bad end of all the home-road situations this season.

it would have been much better if we could have played the packers at home, and the lions on the road. i think we would have won both of those games.
also, we have to play pats/jets on the road, while we get fins/bills at home. i would take the opposite. that's why the rest of our schedule has no gimmie games.
only 4 home games left, and none of those will be easy (eagles, bears, bills (maybe an easy one) and cowboys to end season)

road games: pats, jets, cowboys, bucs, giants, vikings
*all tough*

Posted by: kman | October 23, 2007 1:16 AM | Report abuse

Holy Canoli!
That was rough to watch. Since I have to watch these games streaming on the 'net i sometimes get choppy reception.
the game was streaming great until the last two minutes. at this point some hotheaded douche named neil rackers was lining up to take the kick and . . . my screen froze on an image of the ball about 10yds away from the goalpost and I was praying for pole, that was the worst minute of my life. If we deserved to win in GB we got it back cuz we shouldnt have won this one.
b) we can thank Ken whisenhunt for calling an atrocious 2pt. conversion. the play of the game and you want your wide receiver making the deciding pass? this guy made st. joe look like st. vince.
mad props to the D but cmon, why no blitzing late? would have loved to see Obersfehrgruppenfuhrer Kurt Warner get his clock cleaned right n' proper by an LB or safety.
Well, done and done and Skinnies won.
hail to em

Posted by: Skins in Sichuan | October 23, 2007 1:47 AM | Report abuse

We'll play the doggone schedule we have, fellas. For one thing, we don't have any choice.

I for one am going to eschew the loser talk and keep thinking positive. Come on now, folks.

The team sounds almost as upset about this ugly win over the Cards as we do! That's good news. Angry players, angry coaches, everybody on the team with their "back up", everybody in the world picking the Pats in a romp... short of a grievous injury to one T. Brady (not that I would ever suggest such a thing would be beneficial or welcome) this is a best-case scenario for us.

"So you're sayin' there's a chance!"

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 23, 2007 1:56 AM | Report abuse

Was anyone who read Wilbon's column bothered by the last line?

"And if we're lucky, they'll [Colts and Pats] both arrive in Indianapolis unblemished on Nov. 4 to resolve, at least temporarily, the primary question that makes preliminary games like Monday night's so utterly compelling."

So Wilbon is openly hoping for the Patriots to defeat the Redskins? I know he's a star and all (and I certainly admire his writing), but shouldn't a columnist for the Washington Post at least pretend to support the home team? Is that too much to ask?

Posted by: Pete in Atlanta | October 23, 2007 4:38 AM | Report abuse

Nate and Diddy - Thanks for the recommendations. I'll check them all out (except Jillian's which I remember from my last extended stint in Seattle was not the greatest - except when Gary Payton and friends were hanging out).

Still seems weird that I'll be in a bar at 10 am most Sundays, but I'll try to ge over it.

Posted by: Ghost of Plimpton | October 23, 2007 5:24 AM | Report abuse

dorf-

great 4th qtr stats (if indeed was you)

noone from tampa - That is almost the same list I mailed RB pre week 1, if you strip off bears (had as loss) and put in Phoenix.

Posted by: Pub Golf | October 23, 2007 5:26 AM | Report abuse

gotta love the CP touchdown dances, he clearly doesnt plan them in advance. I was a big fan of the robot followed by clapping (2nd TD)
T. Brady and the cheat squad are gonna be looking at a big road game in Indy, not about the savage skins comin for their scalps.
anyone scouted this team? potential weak spots?
lets not forget that we beat them in NE last time we played. i believe they won the SB that year as well

Posted by: Skins in Sichuan | October 23, 2007 5:57 AM | Report abuse

Could of, should of, would of, ifififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififififfifififififififififififififififififififififififififififififfififiifififs
This is Gibbs legacy 2nd time around and it proves he is not an elite coach and he was lucky to have so many TALENTED players,coaches & an owner who was tops in this league Jack Cooke!!

Posted by: jm220 | October 23, 2007 7:35 AM | Report abuse

PS
Most important & sorry i left him off the list but the GM position
Bobby Beatherd

Posted by: jm220 | October 23, 2007 7:37 AM | Report abuse

pubgolf - got it from NFL.com. Can't spin that any other way. I don't think I've ever been doppleganged. Who'd want to?

Skins in Sichuan - that's rough man. Sounds like something straight outta the Simpsons. Bart and Lisa watching the game and all of a sudden it freezes and they give that yell where their tongues quiver... classic.

Abiding...

Posted by: Dorf | October 23, 2007 8:00 AM | Report abuse

See ya, suckers!

Posted by: Tom Cruise | October 23, 2007 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Being realistic here, you have to think NE and Dallas are losses. To me, that means the NYJ and Philly games are must wins.

That would put us at 6-4 going into the home stretch.

Who's coming with me?

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 23, 2007 8:06 AM | Report abuse

jm220,

Are you serious? Are you really calling Gibbs 1.0 overrated? Let's see, 3 out of 4 superbowl wins b/t 83 and 91. Does that mean Bellicheat, who was a failure in Cleveland, gets a pass. How about Parcells with the Cowgirls?

Clearly Gibbs coaching 2nd time around is questionable at best. But I will take the past 3-1/2 years over the crap b/t 92-2003 any day. He turned the Skins back into a formidable team. Don't get me wrong, I expect more, but we have more to look forward to than before Gibbs returned.

Posted by: cosmofla | October 23, 2007 8:10 AM | Report abuse


I feel completely vindicated this morning. When I was calling for Gibbs' head last season, the resounding message I received back was that I was nuts. It was the defense last year that was the real problem. Well, as you can read for yourselves in Jason's latest column, it ain't the defense.

Joe is simply no longer relevant. He absolutely has no feel for the game, as can be seen from his clock management and 2nd-half adjustments. The offense has become an embarrassment to a once-proud franchise. Worse than that, they are wasting a championship-caliber defense this year. The way free agency works these days, this defense won't hang around long, especially with their mounting frustration with the offense.

Joe needs to go at the end of this year, though by then it will be two years too late. It will most likely take another 2 to 3 years to rebuild enough to be a serious contender. This 4-2 team is just a hair away from being 1-5. And we all know it too.

The defense is light years ahead of where I thought it would be this year. Whatever double G's problems were last year, he seems to have taken the lessons to heart.

But Gibbs has shown absolutely no indication to change a thing offensively. He still thinks it's 1991 or the mid-1980's and the Hogs are still there.

Gibbs 2.0 is a sad, disgraceful mockery of all that went right in the original. Step aside Joe, you're embarrassing yourself and this franchise. And you're ruining a promisng young quarterback in the process.

Posted by: Montna'Skins Fan | October 23, 2007 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Pete in Atlanta

If you read cindy's chat the post writers are not Homers in any way.

They look at it like an election. Don't root for anyone (pretend to be totally non-bias). As I get older the similarites between sport and political reporting are striking. Group think, very little X 0s, personality driven, go for story lines, ect. That is just the way it is.

This is a little Odd I guess but we get writers from out of town so why should they care about the home team after a few years. It is not like college, I even got swept up in Penn State games as a grad student. They are too old (26) and set in their ways.

Posted by: M&M | October 23, 2007 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Montna'Skins Fan,

While I respect your opinion, I disagree.

And while I agree there are serious problems to contend with(clock mgmt, conservative play calling, to name a few) I think this team, without devestating injuries to the o-line, M. Washington, Moss and ARE, would be 5-0, the running game would be fierce and the receivers more effective.

Why is it a "sad, disgraceful mockery?' We are talking about football, not the war. Gibbs return to Washington is admirable in that he was willing to take the chance to fail. And that has not been decided just yet, despite JLa and others who are so clearly biased.

Finally, you have some f'n nerve saying Gibbs is embarrasing himself and the franchise. He has done nothing to deserve this kind of attack on his character. In fact, he is tremendously loyal and completely dedicated to making the Skins the best he can. Maybe it's not good enough for you, but I'll suffer this way as long as they'll keep him.

Posted by: cosmofla | October 23, 2007 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Play calling is one thing, but the players also need to do a better job executing the plays that they're given. Dropped passes, not getting that extra key block to spring the RB's through the hole, and missed assignments are just as damaging to an offense if not more than the play calling itself.

Posted by: CC | October 23, 2007 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Yep, Montana, coming off a 5-11 season and being 4-2 is a sad, disgraceful mockery of all that went right in the original. It's an affront to every Redskins fan.

And I agree that Jason Campbell is clearly being ruined by this. Look how he has completely fallen apart, no composure, running for his life, he looks like a total mess out there, like Ramsey during the Spurrier zero-protect seasons.

Come on, dude.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 23, 2007 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs return to Washington is admirable in that he was willing to take the chance to fail. And that has not been decided just yet, despite JLa and others who are so clearly biased.

I cosign that statement. It's hard to believe all the negative talk on the blog when before the season started just about everyone would have jump up and down at a 4-2 record. At this point you can't expect too much from the O with injuries to the line. Maybe some of you just don't get the O line is playing with 3rd stringers.

Posted by: jm220 | October 23, 2007 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Hey everyone is really fired up for the Pats game.....against the Colts. Apparently we are just the Washington Speed Bumps. I'm fired up I hope Andre Carter gets to Brady and the Reaper blows Moss up.

No one makes us bleed our own blood.

Posted by: Da Truef | October 23, 2007 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Montana,

The only people who are FA after this year is Philip Daniels that I know of.

ST
LL
Springs (although I doubt we can afford the contract)
Double move
Smoot
Rocky Mac
Washington
London Fletcher
Monty
Carter
Goldston

are all under contract at least through 09.


I'm not sure who elses contact will get too large to hold and I'm not sure about Griffin. But this defense isn't about to fall apart.

Posted by: Skinz | October 23, 2007 8:56 AM | Report abuse

What cracks me up is that last year JLa always pointed to the "when the skins run the ball this many times they win" now he seems to be saying that it's a passing league and we run too much. Make up your mind.

Posted by: Da Truef | October 23, 2007 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Joe better not go after this year. We still need to get him a superbowl!! In 2 years, that can happen.

HAIL!

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I love how people act like The Skins/gibbs/etc just took a dump on their grandmother or something...

Bash the football stuff, disect moves, plays, all that but save the moral outrage/indignation for something else. You people sound like major league tools sometimes.

I luv football and the skins, love mixing it up, love obsessing but in the end of the day, even if Gibbs fails, I dont think he just raped my wife, or is a senile fool who should be beaten and belittled, kicked out of the hall of fame etc...

Get some perspective people.....jeesh.....

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 23, 2007 9:21 AM | Report abuse

I'm surprised at all the debate going on here. It seems to me as an interested bystander that you have to build your game-plan around th eresources you have, not the resources you don't.

People who are NFL-smarter than I am (and there are many) have told me that pass blocking is much easier to do than run blocking, so a pass-oriented attack would seem appropriate for the team you can put on the field today.

By all means try to run as and when you can, if only to keep defenses honest, but base many of those 'run' plays on draws and screens/swings (I know they aren't technically run plays, but really they are as you use the RB for them).

Also maybe by 'turning JC loose' Saunders means let him come out of the pocket to make plays. Your o-line can't protect him long there anyway and he looks like his instincts work better out of the pocket than in at this point in his career. Yes Saunders' offense is about timed passes, usually from within the pocket, but you can't run that vanilla with the personnel you have available, so improvise.

I see Ronnie Brown is now done for the season so our one shining light this year has been extinguished.

My name is Redcoat, and I live at the bottom of a deep, dark hole.

Posted by: Redcoat | October 23, 2007 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Sorry. With beer.

Posted by: Redcoat | October 23, 2007 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Sorry about Ronnie Brown RC....he was Beast this year with no help.......I was gaining a boatload of respect for that dude....

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 23, 2007 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Thanks chRiS. At least he'll be rested up for next year now. He was shouldering more and more of the load every week and that may not have been good in the long term.

Now we get to see if Chatman can keep going the way he has the last couple of weeks, and if Cobbs and Booker are who we thought they were when we drafted them. We're also only a week or two from Beck now so there's that to look forward to. That, and we're done in only 9 more games!! :-)

I think your earlier post put it beautifully. Some people have totally lost perspective here. We're back to that totally irrational love/hate thing. Why do you guys have that with this team? I love the Fins and I'm sad when they lose - repeatedly - but it doesn't destroy my week so much that I want to burn down Cam Cameron's house and throw him on a tumbril!!

Posted by: Redcoat | October 23, 2007 9:32 AM | Report abuse

To me clinton portis is holding us back yeah he finds the endzone but as far as sustaining drives as we did last year you need a bigger back that can consistently get positive yards ala larry johnson. Hence lets stop fooling ourselves Joe Gibbs you owe it to the organization to bench portis as you did Brunell. Betts is the back that has quietly sat around waiting for what? We're winning but it's because of our defense and the offense is not playing redskins football so long as Clinton Portis is the feature back. Please PLAY BETTS!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: sthai75 | October 23, 2007 9:33 AM | Report abuse

He's just a man Rock!!!!

Posted by: Mick (Talking about Brady) | October 23, 2007 9:33 AM | Report abuse

mmmm - vanilla beeer.....

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 9:35 AM | Report abuse

RedCoat can tell you something about Tomilinda Brady!

whop

his

A$$

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 9:37 AM | Report abuse

"...throw him on a tumbril"

LMGO.. I had to look that one up.

Bring out your dead! Bring out your dead!

Posted by: cload and daggar | October 23, 2007 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Quick! Someone get Bridget Moynahan on the phone! Maybe we can get some dirt for Smooter to bark at him on the field and reduce him into a blubbering wreck on the field! Or maybe we can get someone to spike his conditioner with Nair, or his skin moisturizer with some godawful orange bronzer!

If Gut Cheat can play dirty, so can we!

OK, so I'm grasping at straws. Our Big Ugly Fat F*&$ers are hurting now - it's going to make everything look bad until at least 80% of the starting line get back up to speed.

Posted by: FlimFlam | October 23, 2007 9:43 AM | Report abuse

I am officially over the pain of last weeks win!

Now on to this week. We have no shot, accept and move on to....

WERE GONNA SHOCK THE WORLD BABY!!!!!!!

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 23, 2007 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Hey - our D-Line is still pretty good. Linebackers- excellent. Secondary? - among the best.

Their defense - gives up points.

Smack Tomasina Brady in the SJKing HEAD. Worked for the 'Phins - it'll work for us!

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 9:46 AM | Report abuse

CL my thought is keep them under 30 and lay the wood on anyone that moves. That would be a win for me. LMGO!

Posted by: jm220 | October 23, 2007 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I found the link to the Patriots game from last year.

http://www.patriots.com/mediacenter/index.cfm?ac=videonewsdetail&pid=22963&pcid=76

Click on the 'stream' option. This is how you go after him, and he does crumble if you can do it.

Posted by: Redcoat | October 23, 2007 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Sorry. With beer.

Posted by: Redcoat | October 23, 2007 09:24 AM

Well, then that hole bottom is not so bad, is it?

Posted by: Larry Bud | October 23, 2007 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Worked for the 'Phins - it'll work for us!

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 09:46 AM

Is this irony? You can't be serious! NOTHING IS WORKING FOR THE 'PHINS!

Sorry, 'coat, don't mean to pile on...

Posted by: Larry Bud | October 23, 2007 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Old but funny column. Read the last few lines.

Without Richard Seymour and Rodney Harrison, Patriots' Defense Is Not the Same

Michael David SmithPosted Sep 2nd 2007 8:37AM by Michael David Smith
Filed under: Patriots, NFL Injuries, Boston


That all means the defense of the consensus Super Bowl favorites will be a far cry from what it was expected to be, at least at the start of the season. Seymour is the Patriots' best defensive player, and Harrison is still one of the NFL's better safeties.

Add to that the fact that Asante Samuel may not be in game shape after skipping all of training camp, and one thing is clear: Teams that drew the Patriots in September, rather than later in the season, got lucky.

Posted by: M&M | October 23, 2007 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Larry, no pile-on taken. This is "worked for the 2006 Fins". As you rightly say, NOTHING works for the 2007 Fins.

Posted by: Redcoat | October 23, 2007 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Sorry about Ronnie Brown RC....he was Beast this year with no help.......I was gaining a boatload of respect for that dude....

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 23, 2007 09:26 AM

What? Who's that at Miami's door? Mr. Williams, so nice to see you! You couldn't have returned from your hiatus at a more opportune time! Welcome home!

Posted by: Lurky boy | October 23, 2007 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: M&M | October 23, 2007 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Rikki rikki rikki rikki...


Run Rikki Run!

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 10:12 AM | Report abuse

I'd be really sad if Ricky comes back to the Fins. He's done. We have 3 running backs on the team now anyway even with Ronnie on IR, so where's he going to play?

Posted by: Redcoat | October 23, 2007 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Redskins,


You're 5 Foot Nothin'....One HUUUUUUUUUUUUNDRED and nothin' without a spec of athletic ability! You are going to manage to hang in there with the best team of the decade.

Posted by: Rock | October 23, 2007 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Never give up...never,ever give up.

Posted by: Jimmy V | October 23, 2007 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Jets insider trip? i'll drive.

wait, bad idea. Call bucktown, he'll let us crash right?

TB or death for me as for as roadtrips go...although contemplating NYG in Dec.

Rockefeller Centre with a Swiss Ham jersey??? I think YES!

Posted by: Pub Golf | October 23, 2007 10:30 AM | Report abuse

When I was a kid my favorite relative was Uncle Caveman. After school we'd all go play in his cave, and every once in a while he would eat one of us. It wasn't until later that I found out that Uncle Caveman was a bear.

Posted by: Jack Handy | October 23, 2007 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Redcoat, watch out for Uncle Caveman.

Posted by: Dorf | October 23, 2007 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Redskins 27
Patriots 17

Posted by: Winged Unicorn | October 23, 2007 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Is that the same Winged Unicorn that predicted a 4-2 start to the season?

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Indeed.

Posted by: Winged Unicorn | October 23, 2007 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Tom Brady and Kyle Brady will find out the hard way that Sean Taylor is a Partridge Family fan.

Posted by: etrod | October 23, 2007 10:45 AM | Report abuse

is he a fan - or the TOUR BUS!

WHAM!

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I have always been pro-Gibbs and coaching staff, but for them to basically give this game away because the defense was playing so well was just plain stupid. What coaching staff does that? The good teams demoralize teams by continuing to score and reward the defense's studly efforts, not leave them on the field for the entire fourth quarter because the offense has gone cold after scaling back. Stupid!

Posted by: Will | October 23, 2007 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Montana, once again you are showing how out of touch you are.

Gibbs brought in Saunders to run the offense - Saunders has been in the NFL for a long time so your comment is inane.

Posted by: Lisa | October 23, 2007 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Jason Reid got into a verbal fight in a locker room when he was back in Cali. I dug up the details awhile back.

It's sort of becoming an m.o. with this dude.

Posted by: SCSkins | October 23, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

The last time Randy Moss played the Redskins he walked off the field before the game ended. This time he'll be luck to walk off the field at all.

Posted by: etrod | October 23, 2007 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Well met etrod. You know i just cant see us winning the game and here is why.

Our Offensive line is horrendous right now. We cant run and NE knows that. More over we can't run to the right side at all so they will stack the left side of the O-line all day. Further more NE Defense aint to shabby so even if we did have all our startes in there on the offensive line it would still be a close game.

Now our defense will hold there own again but if they are on the field all day again Randy Moss ans Wes Walker will destroy us as Tom Brady will make mince meat of our tired secondary.

I hope thi sisnt the case, i feel if we can run the ball we can win this game. that is a big if though.

Posted by: kcskinfan | October 23, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

why do we have to run? NE Secondary is not capable.

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Stalker Alert! Stalker Alert! TWWWEEEET!,

Jason Reid got into a verbal fight in a locker room when he was back in Cali. I dug up the details awhile back.

Haven't we all gotten in fights in locker rooms, dangerous places my friend.

It's sort of becoming an m.o. with this dude.

Let's hope this type of stalking doesn't become your modus operandi. We'll be keeping an eye on you.

Posted by: BlogPolice | October 23, 2007 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Yes, there is a God.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 22, 2007 05:58 PM

Thanks sween. glad to be here. is it true they cut the receiver? that's great news but I cant find it anywhere.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 22, 2007 06:02 PM

I am confused because that was not me earlier. I vote for usernames too.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 22, 2007 06:20 PM


Good to see our faker 'friend' was at it again yesterday. I'm flattered that you'd think so highly of an anonymous voice on a blog that you'd try to imitate. Anywho... hello again, blog.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 23, 2007 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I hope GW changes up the defensive signals for this game considering the Cheatriots may have been stealing his signals in last year's 41-0 preseason beatdown we took!!

Posted by: RockyTopSkin | October 23, 2007 11:12 AM | Report abuse

SCSkinsFan is a stalker??!! wtf?

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Well Dik our WR core isnt full strength. Also how many catches did Cooley have last week? 1? That is because we are keeping our TE to help block. So there is another weapon gone. So if we cant run there will be 8 men back in coverage and NE can and will get pressure with there front 4. Not a good sign.

If the skins could run the ball decently it will open up the passing game just a bit maybe enough to get a few palys and squeek out a win.

Posted by: kcskinfan | October 23, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

******* Fantasy Post *******

dcsween- A tie?! We freakin' tied?!

****** End Fantasy Post ******

Posted by: 4-12 | October 23, 2007 11:15 AM | Report abuse

did you mean KCskinfan Dik? LOL i think he was talking about jason Ried not me >.

well i hop ehe was anyway.

Posted by: kcskinfan | October 23, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

why do you think I have this moniker, 4-12? lmao.

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Skinz | October 23, 2007 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Although I honestly do not expect us to win (sad to say) this weekend - and just hope we are not blown out too badly - consider this...

The Pats have beaten the Bengals, Dolphins, Bills, Jets, Browns, Chargers (before they caught fire) and Cowboys. Except for the Cowboys, none of those teams have been core shakers this season...

Posted by: Lisa | October 23, 2007 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Forecast for Sunday, Foxboro, MA: high of 66, with rain showers.

We didn't look too good the last time we played in the rain, up in GB. Sloppy. They better have the sprinklers going on the practice field this week, plenty of reps snapping/handing off/throwing/catching/holding onto a wet football.

And for goodness' sake, we better bring the right cleats.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 23, 2007 11:18 AM | Report abuse

SCSkinsFan is a stalker??!! wtf?

Stop asking so many questions, it looks suspicious. I've got my eye on you as well, Dik.

Posted by: BlogPolice | October 23, 2007 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Pretty Cool that the two head coaches this Sunday will represent 6 Lombardi Trophies. Doesn't happen very often. I think the last time was probably Chuck Noll versus Gibbs in the first go-round (when Gibbs had 2 and Noll had 4, Noll retired by the time Gibbs had 3). Other matchups would have been Noll/Shula (which probably happened a lot), Noll/Parcels (might have happened once, I think), and Noll/Walsh (also once or twice). Can anyone think of any others.

I don't think there's ever been a matchup between head coaches with more than 6 rings has there?

Posted by: Mike H. | October 23, 2007 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Skinz | October 23, 2007 11:19 AM | Report abuse

KC - kind of a 'chicken vs. egg' thing, isn't it? I like our chances w/ our D. If we win field position, we may be able to win on Field Goals!

And I was talking about SCSkins - srry I glommed you guys up! eek!

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Nate, I thot we looked good up in Green Bay - until Jesus made Santana drop the SJKing ball!

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Redskins 10
Patriots 49

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 23, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

The pats will not score 49 points on the skins. Not gonna happen.

Posted by: Just sayzin is all... | October 23, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

KC Skins Fan and/or Al Saunders (if you're reading this) -

Everyone knows we can't run right. The Pats will overload the left side and wait for the run. So the Redskins go strong left and Line Sellers up at the Right Flanker, Sellars starts in motion to the left. When Sellers reaches the 4 hole (Between the guard and tackle on the right) the ball is snapeed. Portis/Betts starts left, drawing the D-line and Linebackers where they're already expecting the play to go, then goes right. Fabini Seals the tackle (who is already leaning left)down and Wade kicks the End to the outside. Sellers leads with an Isolation block, blowing up the linebacker and springing Portis/Betts in to the secondary.

This play will work 2-3 times before the Pats adjust. When the Adjust, we start running to the left as normal.

Posted by: etrod | October 23, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"So if we cant run there will be 8 men back in coverage and NE can and will get pressure with there front 4. Not a good sign."

If this occurs, lets hope the zebra's throw a flag :)

B

Posted by: usafskinsfan | October 23, 2007 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Absolutely can't miss reading. Awesome.

Posted by: RMilot | October 23, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

"So if we cant run there will be 8 men back in coverage and NE can and will get pressure with there front 4. Not a good sign."

So that's how the Pats have been doing it. They cant use the video tape, so they put 12 men in on defense.

Posted by: Mike H. | October 23, 2007 11:44 AM | Report abuse

when I think of this game defensively, there are 3 players in key positions that are going to determine whether NE offense can be held in check, or whether they're going to go crazy on us like Indy did last year.
1. Andre Carter--everything starts at the line, and with Carter coming off the weak side, if he can get to Brady consistently, and cause hurries, throws under pressure, and sacks, it will go a long way towards helping us stay close.
2. London Fletcher--this guy has been beast so far. he'll be put to the ultimate test Sunday. it will be up to him to help shut down the running threat that Maroney poses, and also up to him to drop back into coverage and take away those 5-10 yard passes to Welker and Stallworth that Brady loves to throw. If GW can come up with a good gameplan for London, we'll be taking away Brady's favorite throw. NOTE: a lot of NE's scores have come from those short passes in middle of field, and broken tackles.
3. Sean Taylor--Reaper will have to BRING IT on sunday. every ounce of it. he's gonna have to be on top of his game--we can't have Randy just jumping over people and catching balls like it's a jump ball in NBA. Reaper is gonna have to put whoever catches the ball on their a$$es and knock the wind outta them on a consistent basis. Lucky for us, we have 3 cover corners that would be top 2 on any team in the NFL. We'll surely have to put that to use. How GW chooses to cover Randy will be critical in our defensive gameplan. If he can get away by doing a Cover 2 on Moss (one guy short, one guy deep), that'll be great. The less, the merrier.

how do you guys feel about defense? let your voice be heard

Posted by: kman | October 23, 2007 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone watch the last five minutes of that Colts game last night? Thanks to fantasy football, I had to. Leading by 15 points, Manning throws a bomb to Clark and completely ends any hopes of a Jaguars comeback.
This is what Gibbs needs to realize. This is what championship teams do. We tried something very similiar once in Week 2 against the Eagles and JC just missed Moss deep... and we haven't seen it since. We sit on leads instead of going for the oppostion's throat.
Like Herm says, "You play to win the game!" Now I am not saying we need to pass the ball more. I, too, remember the Spurrier years. But we need to be slightly more aggressive/creative when we have a lead. Maybe occasionally throw throw the ball on first down.

Posted by: Matt | October 23, 2007 11:44 AM | Report abuse

usafskinsfan, good catch on the maths.

Hey, could you get on the horn to the missile base over in Cheyenne? We've got a guy up there who used to be a regular commenter, but I haven't seen him up here in a while. Would like to make sure he wasn't converted by those crazed Donkey fans, or (even worse) forced to start "actually working".

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 23, 2007 11:45 AM | Report abuse

lmao - 12 men... huhuhuhuhuh.


said John Burrell, head athletic trainer.

Didn't Tyer give us this info befo? A shift in the wind, mebbe?

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Its a simple game plan to have a chance to beat the pats, its just not that simple to execute it. Their offense is superior to ours, and our defense holds an advantage over them. We need to play keep away with long drives that get some kind of points. Our defense, IF we keep it fresh, WILL hold them down and keep this game close enough for JC to have a change to win it at the end. Have to sustain long drives though, and have to come away with points almost every time.

Posted by: Mike H. | October 23, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Wilbon: The AFC probably has the five best teams in the NFL: Patriots, Colts, Jaguars, Steelers and Titans.

The Titans? A team that lost to Tampa Bay? A team that needed 8 FG's to beat Houston?

Cindy, I thought it was a good idea merging the Style and Arts section. But merging the Sports section with the Funny Papers is going a little too far.

Posted by: SMACK | October 23, 2007 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Before our O-line was destroyed I would have had a good amount of confidence in this game. Putting up around 160yards against the Patriots equates to a long day for our defense and a ton of points against us. I love our D, I still cant believe the improvement. But if our O plays like that against the PATS our D will be exhausted by half time.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 23, 2007 12:06 PM | Report abuse

http://www.roanoke.com/sports/profootball/wb/136922

Portis admits its Gibbs and Saunders screwing up the offense.

"If you watch our defense at practice, they're quick, smooth, fly around," Portis told a Washington television station. "For us, the offense, we drop balls in practice, we turn it over in practice. What we do in practice we do in the game"

Promote Greg Williams
Fire Gibbs-Saunders married couple

Posted by: Anonymous | October 23, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man

Posted by: The Dude | October 23, 2007 12:13 PM | Report abuse

beepdiggity

Posted by: Just sayzin is all... | October 23, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Well, last I checked the Grilliams trial as head coach didn't work out so well...

Don't get me wrong. There is plenty wrong with Gibbs and his coaching this time around. The biggest difference is that we do NOT seem to make the right (if any) 2nd half adjustments. I remember the skins under Gibbs 1.0 being known for great halftime adjustments. We just do not see them now and I can't understand it.

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | October 23, 2007 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous poster, Clinton made those comments Sunday after the game about the offense dropping balls in practice. But please tell me how the "players" dropping the balls in practice places the blame on Gibbs and Saunders. After all, Gibbs and Saunders are not the ones dropping passes. Makes no sense.

Posted by: Lisa | October 23, 2007 12:20 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: Anonymous | October 23, 2007 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I have some thoughts how we may be able to beat NE. We have Bradys no 1 WR from 2006 don't we? He may be able to tell Shawn Sean and LL something. Also NE sucks against the run.

Posted by: 35332 | October 23, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

The great thing about Sunday's game is that it will tell us how we stand against a team that is without a weakness. For those who believe the Patriots are soft against the run, think again. They have made stops all year when they have had to, and allow rushing yardage when they are up by 14 or more. For us to win, the Patriots must be looking ahead to Indy. At home we would have a chance, but...I'm picking the Patriots, but only 28-17. This is one of those games that we can gain confidence even in defeat.

Posted by: kanea | October 23, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

In Houston - the local FOX affiliate is showing...wait for it...New Orleans vs. San Francisco at 4:15 - sighs abound. Please write your congressman.

Posted by: John D in Houston | October 23, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Hey all. I have a question

Posted by: skins fan | October 24, 2007 12:58 AM | Report abuse

sorry. here's the question. At the end of the game when AZ missed the field goal, they were at 3rd and 3 with 7 seconds left on the clock. the kick sailed left, and there was 2 seconds left on the clock. shouldn't that have left AZ with 4th and 3 and another opportunity to try a field goal? why did the ball go over to Washington? Not that I'm complaining; I'm all for any W that shows up in the column. I'm just a little confused... Any help??

Posted by: skins fan | October 24, 2007 1:03 AM | Report abuse

yo skinsfan
a missed Field Goal means instant change of possesion from where the kick was missed (7 yards behind the line of scrimmage). this rule is in effect regardless of what down it is.

Posted by: Skins In sichuan | October 24, 2007 2:23 AM | Report abuse

Skins in sichuan: Thanks...

Posted by: skins fan | October 24, 2007 4:27 PM | Report abuse

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