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Monday Afternoon H-Back

Rantings from a printer-smashing lunatic:

27 rushes ain't going to get it done. 40 is the magic number, we're all in agreement on that up here on this blog, right? So when you have a 14 point lead against a division foe at the half, you don't rush the ball just 10 times in the second half, right? Betts and Portis should have clsoer to 21 carries each, than 21 carries combined, right, for a smashmouth NFC East team?

Betts and Portis combined for 6 carries in the second half - TOTAL - and both of Ladell's came on the final two offensive plays of the game. Wanna guess the first time in the entire second half when a RB got the ball handed off two straight times? Yep, Betts at the very end. The only prior time the entire half they even completed two straight runs was on their first drive of the fourth quarter, when Moss, a WR, went on the end around and then Portis got the ball. (they would have run two straight times on the next drive, but Campbell and Portis could not execute the hand-off on second down and the fumble cost them the possession.

They had to try to at least pound it 3 straight times at some point to keep the defense off the field, and never did. Yeah, it was tough sledding - 10 rushes for 17 yards in the second half as a team - but neither runner was ever given a remote opportunity to get in a rhythm. Some are saying the Skins were too conservative in the second half. Not me, I think the cutesy end around on first down after the Giants tied it at 17 sent the wrong message. Run Portis behind Samuels/Kendall 3 times and see what happens. You can't give up 14 first downs over a 24 minute stretch of the second half and not produce a single one on offense. without really playing to your strength.

And yeah, so then you find yourself down 24-17, but you have good field position with 5:32 to play (Washington 38) and 3 timeouts plus the two minute warning. What would you do? Try to finally establish the run a bit, or put it entirely in Campbell's hands?

Here's what they did:
1-10 WAS 38 - INC to Moss deep (good call, not a bad time to take a shot and JC overthrew it, a bad miss on his part)
2-10 WAS 38 - pass to Portis for 2 yards
3-8 WAS 40 - pass to Randle El for 12 (ARE was a stud again, more on him later)
1-10 NYG 48 INC to Randle El
2-10 NYG 48 pass to Betts for 13
1-10 NYG 35 INC (Sellers)
2-10 NYG 35 INC (deep to ARE)
3-10 NYG 35 SACK - gee, you don't think the Giants could tee-off now, eh, after 7 straight passes???)
PUNT

Now, somebody explain that me? Seems to me coaching had a whole lot to do with this choke job all around. And the firedrills at the end of halves are comical now. Let me get this straight, watching players run towards the sidelines and back four times at the end of the half, that's normal? Should the Hall of Famer on the sidelines have a tighter ship?

Riddle me this: Six days after they nearly blew it in Philly in the first half you spike the ball on first down at the goal line in order to get Pucillo and your jumbo package in the game, then throw on second down? Couldn't you throw on first down, and if incomplete then get you other personnel in there? Do you have to waste that down? The second-half adjustments - or lack there of - and weird coaching stuff never stops, and they continue to abandon the running game (anyone else have visions of the loses to Oakland and San Diego at home in 2005? Think I've seen this rodeo before back when Gibbs was calling the plays).

While we're talking about coaching/management, it seems to me something is awry when the wide receiver you gave $10 million guaranteed can't even get on the field in four-wide sets with the game on the line and you need big yards downfield, and when guys like James Thrash and Todd Yoder are deemed more helpful even in these critical situations, then just sit the WR. If nothing else, at least Lloyd has speed, but if you're not using him here, then don't dress him at all

That situation is a joke all the way around. Have Caldwell, who at least has some size and has made some plays, up and make No. 85 inactive, whether Caldwell is allegedly ready to help out on special teams or now. It's not like any WR on the roster other than Thrash is playing teams, and 85 surely ain't, so I'm not buying the rhetoric about Caldwell being inactive because of special teams.

So with the offense in desperation mode on the final drive, the franchise RB and a WR you just gave $10 million a few years ago aren't even on the field? Strange. Portis has been the only part of the offense actually getting in the end zone, but on the final two plays Betts gets his first carries since being dropped for a four-yard loss on third-and-1 from the New York 25, when 46 seconds remained in the first half?

Watch the Right Side of the O Line: Randy Thomas's absence is huge. Back in 2005 it took about 2 weeks before the running game stalled, and I wonder how long before DeMulling, who is more athletic than Fabini, gets his shot. Of their 23 scripted runs as a team Sunday (excluding JC's scrambles, 9 went to the right, including Randle El's end around). Those nine rushes produced 28 yards, and 5 of those runs were for two yards or less.

I don't blame them for going left on the final two plays of the game (though I was thinking at one run would be a QB keeper or maybe Sellers inside) - and they had success slicing that side of NY's defense early in the game - but I think a lot of the tackle eligible stuff that used to be so effective on sweeps and outside zone plays have now been switched to the left with Randy and Jansen out, and they'll have a hard time being as balanced with the run now.

Carlos Rogers - Is he really anything other than an average corner with above average skills? I'm willing to give him more time, but we shall soon find out, 'cause he's going to be getting attacked. I actually thought the Skins would win this game with ease - something I based to large extent on Burress not practicing all week and me thinking he'd be limited at best - and figured they'd stumble against Arizona and Detroit, because of what those teams can do through the air.

So now you're talking about facing some huge WRs out of the bye - Johnson/Williams, even that Furrey dude makes plays for the Lions -then going to Green Bay, where Favre and Driver are killing people, and then facing the best WR tandem in the NFL with the Cards (Boldin/Fitzgerald), and then going to Foxboro for the 38-point-per game Pats. Down the road there's two meetings with Dallas - the best offense in the NFC - and somehow I doubt the Eagles will take so few deep shots at the Skins the second time around in November

So trust me, a month from now we're going to know plenty about Carlos and just how improved this secondary is. The problems with tight ends and big WRs going off on 20-30 yard routes from the slot reappeared. It was a killer last year in the Cover-2, and the Skins ended up playing a lot of that Sunday as well (early in the game Landry was playing centerfield a bunch in the Cover-1, and seemed okay, which is a nice idea to get Taylor active near the line. 'Cause Grim Reaper wasn't getting much action in centerfield, and his INT yesterday was a gimme. Still waiting for some big plays from him.

Going back to last season the Redskins have yielded 32 TD passes to just 8 INTs. Over the last 19 games only one player - Reaper - has more than one pick for them (he has 2). The Redskins had not had two INTs in a game since Nov. 26 of last season.

JC was not OK. A lot of guys were bashing him on my webchat the other day and I was kind of stunned. If you want to be hard on him, now's the time, but people were jumping the gun before. He still sails too many balls and his intermediate stuff - save for some crossing routes - is generally erratic. The fumbles have to be a concern. He got away with a couple of poor throws that could have been picked. He has trouble throwing left and I'm not sure why they roll him left, 'cause that seems real problematic right now.

Bottom line, he looked his age, and that's no surprise, not in the least. If he hits the second deep ball to Santana (and you're not going to see a better catch than the one Moss made on that 49-yard bomb in the first half) and he's 5-5 as a starter and getting more praise. But in reality he still has a ways to go and there are going to be some days like there were he completes less than half his attempts and doesn't have it for stretches of the game. But they were in it 'til the end and they're still dropping too many balls as well.

He's going to be very good, but not on every single Sunday. It doesn't work that way.

ARE is a gamer. Got to give him his props again. Dude plays way bigger than he is. His punt return on the last drive and fearless dive to catch that high ball down to the 1 would have been remembered for a long, long time ... had the Skins found a way to get the longest yard.

Derrick Frost is getting off. He's playing big in a contract year, folks. Was booming the ball again yesterday.

Antonio Pierce lives to play the Redskins. He has their number and he has a mojo. Has a way of snuffing out the running game and anticipating where the ball is going. No surprise he comes up with that big fumble recovery

And, last but not least: "We're all in it together," in case you weren't certain of that. (PS - missed that riveting Dan Snyder interview. Let me guess the synopsis - He's disappointed by last year's 5-11 record but has faith in Coach Joe and thinks the future's bright? And, why would they ever mess wit their front office structure, right? Did Golf Cart George throw him any fastballs with the questions?)

By Jason La Canfora  |  September 24, 2007; 12:42 PM ET
 
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cowboy fan 1st

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

TONY ROMO

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 12:55 PM | Report abuse

How Bout them Cowboys

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Screw the Cowboys.

JLC, great stuff. I agree 100% on everything. Why Portis wasnt in the game, along with the WR, befuddles me and prolly will all season. Just put him on the practice squad and have someone else dress. Its kinda ridic how this coaching staff picks up on a player every year they hate and pretty much embarass him and make all of skins fans angry as well.

Posted by: Kenny | September 24, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Big props Janso, nothing to argue with there.....thanks for great post....

Posted by: Chris Larry | September 24, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Excellent analysis!! Many of the same things said above I said myself on the way home from the game last night.

Posted by: Thaiphoon | September 24, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

QB play is main reason for Sucky Season and to deny is to deny the 1st RULE of football.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Brutal post...but true stuff.

Skins starting to look like posers once again.

Gibbs has gotta be the worst game day coach in the NFL (for the last several years).

Posted by: GAD | September 24, 2007 1:02 PM | Report abuse

(1) Why do these games still surprise fans ? Strip the numbers off the jerseys and these games look the same for the past 15 years. This organization has bred a culture of losing. It does not matter which coach, which players, which venue - the end result has been the same. LOSING. Finding new ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. This game could have been played under Norv Turner, Marty, Spurrier or Gibbs - same plays, same script, same result. The Giants are a dog and the Skins had every opportunity to beat them down and did not. But the players and coaches will gladly collect checks tomorrow for a farce. How many coaches really need to be reminded to play their best players when it counts ? Portis is one of the most physical backs in the NFL and he is watching the team lose on a goal-line stand they must have. Where was the vaunted 3rd down defense against a very pedestrian QB ? Rather than pass, why not run Portis, Betts, Carwright and Sellers at the Giants until they collapse ? Then look to open routes off play action ? Where are the angry and sullen players and where are the leaders on the sidelines ? I am a born and bred DC area native who has followed this team for decades. No more. I just turned down season tickets. I will not give Snyder and his organization the benefit of my hard earned dollars so that I can watch and feel this fiasco in person. Time to pack away the fan gear and watch SportsCenter. As they have famously said "Game over. Good night. Drive safely." We've seen this before over and over and over and over again. Insanity is doing the same thing expecting a different result. No more. So it's good night, season over, drive safely. I never thought I would see the day that the Skins are consistently outplayed and outcoached by the worst teams in the league. We have reached the level of the "Aints" and "Bungles."

(2) For all the postings which are pleading to show some hope, the point is being missed. If the loss today was out of the ordinary, then there can be some optimism for the season. However, this organization just continues the same trend season to season. They need an intervention of epic proportion. The Skins barely beat a horrible 0-3 Miami team at home and caught the Eagles on a bad night. The Eagles regrouped and opened a can against the Lions. Teams don't fear the Skins on the road or at home. The Giants have used them as a doormat for years. Now when the opportunity comes to return the favor the Skins are AWOL. Mentally and physically. Shameful. Despite losing today, Detroit - mind you, the Lions - racked up hundreds of yards of offense against the Eagles. The Skins used to beat the Lions without mercy adn owned them. Now, get ready for the Lions to torch the Skins - another loss. The Cardinals gave Baltimore all they could handle with a defense far better than the Skins. Chalk up another loss to a lesser team. And that;s not even considering the teams that are far better than the Skins at the moment - NE, Dallas, GB. Even teams like the Jets and Vikings will mount a challenge to the Skins not becuase of parity but because this team is afflicted with an underachieving mentality that has festered the last 15 years. Every season, the schedule is loaded with teams that the Skins should beat but they find ways to lose. Show me a season where this has not happened in the last 15 years. You can't. And despite the delusional thinking that things will be different, the evidence is right before you that things are just the same. THe columnists will just add a new date to a previous column and the press clippings from the team will be the same inane fodder that spews from an organization buried under the weight of futility.

(3) There is NO EXCUSE for losing at home to a division rival which was ranked 28th in total defense and 0-2 coming into the game. This was a chance to bury a dog team in disarray. Yes, teams do have off games - case in point, Philly. But they rebound (just ask the Lions about how it feels this morning)and do not repeat the same mistakes over and over and over again. The Skins did not lose the game due to flukes or extenuating circumstances - they lost because that is their culture. Players, coaches, owner. Miami, another 0-3 club, took the team into overtime at home. And Philly slept throgh their game - classic trap game for them and Andy Reid righted that ship.

Ever notice how other teams manage to change successfully ? Pittsburgh replaces Cowher with a young and untested Dungy disciple in Mike Tomlin and the team thrives. Years ago the Eagles stopped the culture of losing and brought in Andy Reid, an obscure QB coach at GB. NO hired Sean Payton and despite their woes this season he has made substantial changes in bringing a culture of success and winning. The Niners hire Mike Nolan, a former Skins coach, and he is turning that team around. Marvin Lewis, another former Skins coach, has transformed the Bengals from a joke to a playoff contender.

Keep telling yourself that because the team is 2-1 that good things are happening. You are blind to what is unraveling in front of your eyes. You cannot rationalize it away despite your hurculean efforts. The same patterns of behavior are in place. With time, Jason Campbell will be an excellent QB. That is not the issue. The issues are much larger and infect the entire team. Heart, desire, motivation, courage, passion, execution, yearning for excellence and pride, "manning up." All lacking in addition to the foul game-planning and play-calling. You can't refute history and current facts with pining away for hope.

Posted by: DisgustedFan | September 24, 2007 1:04 PM | Report abuse

The secondary is not improved. It just isn't.

Posted by: Wes Mantooth | September 24, 2007 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I agree with everything. I'm concerned with how they will respond to this out of the bye week. That will tell us whether we are looking at a contender or a pretender. The veteran leadership needs to step up. This is a good team and a season needs not to be wasted on "could haves."

Posted by: sicwidit | September 24, 2007 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Cowboys look pretty good, I must admit. But their D is a cause for concern. The only offense they have really stopped is the laughable Chicago offense. They outscored Miami and New York, but Miami moved the ball against them effectively and New York torched them.

Whoever is responsible for Betts being on the field instead of Portis at the end, unless Portis was injured or something, should be fired. I don't care if it was Byner or who. Betts is AVERAGE! Our O-line, when healthy, is dominant and that is why Betts puts up above average numbers when he gets the carries. Anyone who thinks he's a better power back between the tackles than Portis does not know much about football.

Posted by: Mike H. | September 24, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I have said it many times....but Gibbs should hire Russ Grimm next year while he still has power, go be president of the team...jettison GG and weird Al...

That would be true Gibbs 2.0: Russ Grimm

Posted by: Chris Larry | September 24, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Well as usual, I agree with everything sween says. I also agree with the scouts inc. article someone posted about needing to take the handcuffs off Campbell. We have had plenty of time to learn the offense good enough to open it up more. Campbell is the real deal if they would just let him play and stop worrying about making mistakes. Our first two games JC made three mistakes and we still won them(2 in the 1st game and 1 in the 2nd) . Yesterday he didn't but we got conservative trying not to make mistakes and lost that way. We were conservative until we couldn't be anymore, then Campbell took us down the field. Yeah, he made a couple of high throws, but he completed the 4th down passes with the pressure on even more. He is capable of doing it if we let him. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'd rather lose taking our shots than to be conservative and still lose, I mean, the iggles almost came back on us like yesterday (but no one talked about it cuz we still won).

Posted by: RockyTopSkin | September 24, 2007 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Disgusted, again, I say, go root for another team. Take your whine and cheese somewhere else. You gave a laundry list of team's that are according to you better than the Skins, so go root for one of them, and quit your b*tching.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | September 24, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

The secondary is improved. You'd have to be a fool to say otherwise. Last year Carlos was the No.1 corner for much of the year with Springs out and the Reaper was paired with Archuleta. Springs, Rogers, Taylor, and Landry are significantly better. They aren't at 2005 levels. At least not yet. But they are clearly improved.

You cannot blame this game on the D. They got 3 turnovers (the Taylor interception was a gimme because the D line got great pressure) including two short fields. Culprit No. 1 was offensive playcalling in the second half (not enough running the ball and not enough attempts at a kill shot) and Culprit No. 2 was just poor execution by the offensive players.

I disagree with some of the criticism of Campbell. He is a young QB, but he is clearly a clutch performer and is unfazed mistakes by his o-line. I'm going to watch the TIVO tonight, but I would be shocked if it was his call to spike the ball. I'm going to bet Gibbs and Bugel were showing him the spike signal.

Posted by: Mike H. | September 24, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

My Three Things:

1) Saunders is not calling the plays.
2) The defense is overrated and still significantly flawed.
3) Portis must be on the field at the end of the game.

Posted by: Wes Mantooth | September 24, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Get used to it all you KoolAid guzzlers: it's the school of hard knocks and it's time to ring the bell. Being a fan does not mean waving the pom-poms each and every week - if that is what you prefer, look for the cheerleading blogs.

Posted by: DisgustedFan | September 24, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

rockytopskin--

Take the handcuffs off Campbell? What on earth are you talking about?

Didn't you read what Jason wrote above? Seven consecutive passes, of which he missed the two deep passes. Look at the dude's statistics: 44/84 for the year, 2 TDs and 3 INTs. A qb rating of 69.6. The man needs to play better before we can rely on him to win games for us.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 24, 2007 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Disgusted, I don't wave the pom-poms, by any stretch. I also don't sit there and piss and whine like a little biatch like you. You've made your point about the Redskins, the horse is dead. Go root for another team. Stop torturing us by posting your assinine thoughts, and stop torturing yourself by rooting for this team.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | September 24, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

#27 JC 44 84 52.4 compl% 2TD 3INT
69.6 QB Rating

Posted by: In denial | September 24, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

OK,OK

JLaC - right on sweetie. I ALSO believe it is our coaching mental errors that are killing us.

Also - Jason, I, for one, greatly appreciate your efforts here on this blog. *hugs*

Posted by: SallieMae | September 24, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

It always cracks me up when sports journalists think they know football.

The 40+ run rule is a RESULT of winning, it doesn't CAUSE the win.

You get to run 40+ times in a win because the run is working, and you are winning.

The run wasn't working for the Skins. You can't run the ball 40+ times for 1 yard and expect to win just because you ran it 40 times. That is the worst logic ever, but expected from a beat writer who doesn't know football.

It doesn't work that way. That rule makes sense because most the time TEAMS WHO ARE WINNING RUN A BUNCH IN THE 4TH QUARTER.

Unfortunately for the Skins, the run was going nowhere.

Sports journalists aren't even qualified to cover high school football games.

Posted by: What a Joke | September 24, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Well, close. Use your spellcheck next time and say what you really want - man up.

As for the horse, better analogy is the season.

Posted by: DisgustedFan | September 24, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"Gibbs said he called the final plays, taking over the job that usually belongs to assistant coach Al Saunders."

--NFL.com

That was where I stopped thinking of St. Joe and replaced him with Joe the Schmoe.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 24, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Agree with the call for hiring Russ Grimm. Tired of Snyder going after the "sexy name" with each coaching hire.

Posted by: 1buj | September 24, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I am glad to hear your JLC's comments about the lack of running game in the second half. Absolutely agree that the end around is not what this NFC battle demanded. It's been clear to me that when we run the ball and stick with the run, good things happen. It was true in Gibbs I and it's been true in Gibbs II. Playing with a lead, run on first and second with Portis to the strength of your line. If they stop us, fine, but let's give them our best shot. Let's run time off the clock and take pressure off of our young QB. The coaching staff put entirely too much pressure on Campbell, not to mention our D, by not continuing to pound the Giants. What a debacle!

Posted by: SKINner | September 24, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Jason, did you get a new printer? I have been waiting all weekend to find out what you decided to purchase. My preference is Canon, but the ink can be pricey.

Maybe this has been asked before, but would it have been that hard to run a play, any play at the goal line on first down when the Giants were catching their breath instead of telegraphing a spike into the turf? Seriously, how bad could the outcome have been?

Posted by: CheekyMonkey | September 24, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Greg(boston) it is you who tortures yourself and others with assine hopes that arent even possible if all the other teams played theyre High school teams against this poor excuse for a NFL team!

Posted by: wake up | September 24, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, how bad could the outcome have been?

Posted by: CheekyMonkey | September 24, 2007 01:19 PM

Well, the way Portis and Campbell were handling the ball, it could have been a fumble.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 24, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

The Sallie Mae/What A Joke back 2 back posts....kinda funny contrast...


Just lookin for yucks where I ca, laughter soothes the pain...

Disgruntled...wow quite a screed...not breaking new ground there...u have some points but when you talk of picking other team...well than F U

Posted by: Chris Larry | September 24, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

It is sad that a Cowboys fan is trolling our blog enough to actually post first. Kind of weird.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | September 24, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I think it was Wynn or Daniels last season who said something like "Its never as bad or as good as it looks." Yesterday was a much closer game than it feels like now ... and Miami was WAY closer than we remember it. [I enjoyed the Philly game too much to remember if it was really as good as it looked ... whiskey may have been involved.]

Yesterday, nine games were decided by one scoring opportunity. Of those, four by a field goal. I don't want to start talking loser-talk, because I still think the Skins are on the plus side of the bell curve, but I only see teams on the far ends of the curve -- New England and Buffalo (coming soon, the Toronto Bills!).

Sure would be good if the Skins could do a mid-season trade for a healthy (and dependable) WR and/or CB. Feels like the rest of the season is going to be decided by one score ... just feels like the rest of the Skins games are not really going to feel like they're over until the final seconds of the game (like yesterday).

That said, it does feel better to feel like the team is competitive (as opposed to, say, having Brunell as the starter). Only thirteen more games of needing to avoid serious injuries. Woo hoo!

Posted by: dcsween | September 24, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Hire Ron Meeks. Defensive coordinator for the Colts, Dungy school of coaching, and former secondary coach for the Skins. Find a sound offensive mind who can run a true "West Coast" offense - power running complemented by passes that strech the defense.
Seems the Skins years ago found an unknown coach named Joe Gibbs and resurrected a franchise. Time to repeat history.

Posted by: DisgustedFan | September 24, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Any news on a Portis or Moss injury? I agree sween, but my nerves can't handle the nail biters every week!lol

Posted by: RockyTopSkin | September 24, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Lets face it,we are trouble this year. Our offense was fine in 2005 but no....we had to change it for a big name coordinator and now we can't even score on the 1 yard line with three attempts at it. Our starting corner can't tackle while the other plays with a chip on his shoulder becuase he almost got traded or cut. The fact is folks this team is a pretender. Whatever they have tried to do and thye have tried, isn't working. If this team was a contender, they won't have let an 0-2 team the worst defense in the league walk all over them and allow them to make smart adjustments. You have to finish games off in this league and capitalize on turnovers and broken moral....this team didn't. Even in Joe Gibbs press conference yesterday he even said he doesn't expect this team to "dominate " games. C'mon, isn't that what you want to do every week.
Thats what Belichick preaches to his team, just don't beat them...destroy them. Joe I love you and you deserve your Hall of Fame honour but you need to adapt to the new millenium style of football...destroy and finish youor opponent and exploit their weaknesses; something you didn't do yesterday. The Giants were 32nd...yes 32nd in the league against the pass and you chose to run it when you couldn't run the ball at all in the second half. I hope Joe and this team have learned something.

Posted by: Jeff | September 24, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

As for JLC's analysis that the 'Skins should run 40 times a game, smart teams exploit what the defense gives them. Chicago was stuffing the 'Boys run attack, so they passed like crazy in the second half.

If the Gints have 8 men in the box, is Soups supposed to NOT audible out to a pass? Ludicrous.

There is no magic rushing/passing ratio, JLC.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | September 24, 2007 1:28 PM | Report abuse

A couple of things:

-HP Printers do in fact suck, but I can tell you that without question Lexmark are a million times worse. In fact, I recently swapped out my 7 year-old HP and trashed my Lexmark PSC, which was only 18 months old.

-With regard to the right side of the line, am I the only one who noticed that we had Cooley on the right side matched up ONE-ON-ONE with Strahan? Textbook definition of the term "Mismatch". I dunno wtf the coaches were thinking putting Cooley in that position- he's an excellent pass catcher, but blocking- especially in pass protection- is hardly his strength, and putting him on an island against a first-ballot Hall-Of-Famer is beyond bizzare.

Posted by: Dallassucks17 | September 24, 2007 1:29 PM | Report abuse

The Boys passed more in the second half and then came back to a crushing rushing offense that had attitude - they wanted to hurt the Bears. They were knocking heads with LBs and safeties.

Posted by: DisgustedFan | September 24, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 24, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

The lightbulb has started to come on now.

Posted by: DisgustedFan | September 24, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Other highlight of yesterday's game ... the Harley Davidson Washington Redskins Cheerleaders! Great quarter squad captaining by my fave, LeAnne.

Also, I don't want Cowher to be the Skins coach. I'm thinking that 4 out of 5 of the posts calling for hiring Cowher as head coach are by The Owner himself (i.e., focus group marketing). Splashy and fashionable? Sure. Screw that. Too much risk in relying on someone who remembers how HE supposedly won a Super Bowl.

The next head coach should be some guy in his mid-30s with no kids and no life outside of football. Some zen master who happens to enjoy sleeping on the couch in his office. Maybe one of Buddy Ryan's boys. [I think one is a coordinator in Baltimore (?) and the other one maybe in Oakland (?).]

Posted by: dcsween | September 24, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Why does everyone bash the Skins when they win saying it won't last? Why does everyone bash when the Skins when they loose, saying i told you so?

As much as I like the information Jason give us, I hate all the rocks that are thrown no matter how the Skins do. In my opinion, a TRUE Skins fan would root the Skins on, no matter how good or bad they are doing.

As for the Cowboys fans.... You SUCK! However, the Philly fans are worse.

Posted by: ResQr | September 24, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Go root for the F'n cowF's then, DisgustedFan.

Posted by: GU | September 24, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

www.firegibbs.com

Posted by: Let's be real.. | September 24, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Your longest post in a while. I guess you've been waiting to unload like that for a few weeks. You make some good points, but your tone certainly doesn't help dissuade the anti-JLC crew.

Also, I'm glad you deemed that Snyder interview not worth covering without even watching it. Who needs "all-access", when we have such worthy filters as yourself. Seriously, who cares if it's an inflated PR-piece; you can sometimes read between the lines on those things. And as a journalist, I can't imagine you favoring no access to information over access to controlled information.

Posted by: bobz | September 24, 2007 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry, but it wasn't the drive with 7 passes in a row that lost the Skins the ballgame. By then it was already way too late to attempt to "establish the running game." Hell, that drive gave the Redskins their 1st first down of the 2nd half.

What killed the Redskins yesterday was their obvious play calling on their previous 4 drives... you know, the ones that resulted in 0 first downs. A ten-year-old could have guessed what they were going to do.

Posted by: C Chase | September 24, 2007 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I agree, Gibbs need to step down. Please Joe..... Either Cowher or Grimm

Posted by: realist | September 24, 2007 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I think we saw the true Skins yesterday, same ole story. I was there & it was worse in person than on TV. They looked like an unorganized HS team, they got way too conservative in the 2nd half, & once again they blew a very winnable game. I am through kidding myself. They are 8-8 if they are lucky & until little danny stops playing GM they won't be any good. I hate to say it but I also think they need to take a hard look at Gibbs too. I think he has lost his edge, the game has semi past him by. What's more , he has got to start letting the O coordinator make the calls or fire him.

Posted by: Ghost of Jack Kent Cooke | September 24, 2007 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Because the fan base has been taken advantage of. The total disarray of the team does not create any trust that the wins can continue and to expect the worst. Losing, especially in demoralizing ways, breeds more of the same. And then being fed platitudes just adds insult to injury.

Posted by: DisgustedFan | September 24, 2007 1:35 PM | Report abuse

WOW, talk about piling on.

I find it funny that after the Eagles game on Monday night there was no Tuesday recap of the game on this blog, simply the names of some O-Lineman they were bringing in to replace Thomas. Maybe b/c JLC picked the Eagles to win.

Now they lose their first game and we get the longest blog post of the season ripping every facet of the coaching staff and team. I don't want you to love the Skins, but do you have to jump on them every time something goes wrong?

Posted by: TheGuru10 | September 24, 2007 1:36 PM | Report abuse

And the light just gets brigher and brighter...

Posted by: DisgustedFan | September 24, 2007 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Arch Deluxe had an interception yesterday!

I like Randle El's production, but wish he wouldn't celebrate like an 18 year old kid after every good play he makes. How old is he?

I didn't see it -- what did LaVar have to say on Comcast after the game?

Posted by: Joe | September 24, 2007 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Wilbon (the Bears homer) will take my question about how the Bears could lose at home yesterday, too?

He will probably blame Grossman.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | September 24, 2007 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers is VERY overrated too. He couldn't cover La Canfora.

Posted by: Ghost of Jack Kent Cooke | September 24, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, JLAC, great post. Anyone on hear saying "this is just 1 loss", doesn't know there asss from a hole in the ground. This was more than "just 1 loss". Its how they lost. GIBBS must go, or we will continue to see this crap. Gibbs is lost and clueless this time around.

Posted by: S.S | September 24, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

If you want access to the Skins public relations machine, you have the wrong website. JLC should pull no punches. KoolAid and burgundy and gold glasses are not required attire.

Posted by: DisgustedFan | September 24, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

One of the reasons Gibbs handed over the offense to Saunders was to be able to focus on game management, no? Wasn't that one of the things that was said when Saunders was hired? So what does it say when we continue to show the worst game management in critical situations in the entire league? We already know Joe called the last couple plays, but I bet you The Receiver's bonus it extends far beyond that.

Joe Gibbs has neutered Al Saunders.

Posted by: Wes Mantooth | September 24, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

"Lets face it,we are trouble this year...."

Posted by: Jeff | September 24, 2007 01:26 PM

Interesting macro points, Jeff, but the head coach alone doesn't make or break the season. The season also involves a roster of guys whose day job is to play football professionally and personally. Some big egos on the Skins roster, which could translate into real December leadership ... or a pity party.

The farthest I could go to join your reasoning would be something like "let's face it, we are in trouble next week." After yesterday, I'm on the chRIs Larry bandwagon of "F season predictions."

Also, I don't think we are in trouble next week ... I'm thinking we kick the crap out of the Bye Week. After next Sunday, I'll be ready to talk about the Lions game.

Posted by: dcsween | September 24, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

This team has alot of issues, they got glazed over with 2 wins but watch them come out now. Losing the right side of the O line will be the least of their concerns this season.....

Posted by: Ghost of Jack Kent Cooke | September 24, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs has neutered Al Saunders.

To say the least!

Posted by: Ghost of Jack Kent Cooke | September 24, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

"en fuego".....stay on the porch if you can't run with the big dogs.

Posted by: DisgustedFan | September 24, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

DisgustedFan: Because the fan base has been taken advantage of. The total disarray of the team does not create any trust that the wins can continue and to expect the worst. Losing, especially in demoralizing ways, breeds more of the same. And then being fed platitudes just adds insult to injury.
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Unfortunatly, you are one of the worst that feed off of any negativity you can find. You think you have to find the negatives in order to look good yourself.

Posted by: ResQr | September 24, 2007 1:40 PM | Report abuse

JLaC,
Ordinarily I'd be right there with you on running the ball 40 times and pounding it. But the achilles heel of the Giants is the passing game and I think that showed. The thing that killed them in the 2nd half was that drive where JC and Moss were running different playbooks. More mis-communication. And speaking of playbooks, sure Al didn't pull out the Brunell version for the 2nd half? Even if he was hurt I would have put Portis in for those last 3 plays just to put it in the Giants mind that he would get the ball. The would allow JC to play-action and maybe spot Cooley (who spent much of the 2nd half in protection!) in the end zone.

BTW, Loved the HP story. Great! Just great! Keep up the good work.

Posted by: DS | September 24, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

When you have a bad team down, you step on their throat, you don't twiddle away the lead playing NOT to lose.... I thought Joe had learned something from watching me handle my Ex wives....

Posted by: Ghost of Jack Kent Cooke | September 24, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Jeff,

To re-hash points already made:

1) League stats don't mean anything when you're only 2 weeks into a season;

2) You may be right about the coaches - I think too many coaches are on staff, but others have addressed this;

3) Most teams in the NFL aren't dominant. If you expected the Redskins to turn into a dominant team based on what happened last year or early this year, then you were fooling yourself.

You mentioned Belichick in your post. Belichick also probably preaches "Don't just beat them...destroy them using this tape that decoded all their defensive signals and calls." Sorry - just trying to add some levity.

Finally, I'm beginning to suspect that DisgruntledFan is a troll. Ignoring him might be the best course of action from now on. It would take someone truly insane to waste time posting on a Redskins message board who actually feels the way he says he feels.

Posted by: jcabana | September 24, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Have the courage to look at the situation clearly and succintly - the team is in a continuing negative posture that dates back 15 years ago so address it and drive change. Teams in worse shape have been transformed. And as a fan, there is no excuse for accepting this situation.

Posted by: DisgustedFan | September 24, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Ghost of JKC, I don't see anything that happened since the end of last season looking like The Owner has been playing mini-GM. Seems like all the moves look kind of understated and conservative ... like the Team President might actually be making the football decisions. [Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of The Owner, but that particular gripe sounds a little outdated right now.]

Posted by: dcsween | September 24, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Dominant??? They couldn't put away a team that was 0-2, had lost their starting RB, had a QB with a bum shoulder, & a D that was scored on at will by 2 other teams.... dominant? They look pathetic....

Posted by: Ghost of Jack Kent Cooke | September 24, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Ah, young Jason. Now I see that you are the "26-year old reporter who doesn't know anything" that the Danny referred to in his interview.

Here's the thing, kid: Paraphrasing Bill Clinton, "It's the offense, stupid". The offense failed to give the defense any time to breathe in the second half. Why? 40% of the starting O-line -- Pro Bowl-caliber guys -- are essentially out for the season. Portis dropped both a simple handoff and a 3rd-down pass when we really needed him. The young but improving QB was indecisive in critical moments. Sure, it's hard to be tough on a kid who got us a yard from overtime, but the fact is his growing pains are the biggest reason the second half fell apart. While I was not fond of the play calling from the 1, I also recognize I am only a fan. On my best day I can't measure myself against any NFL coach (not even Norv!).

Observe, comment, even criticize (with dignity and respect) if you must. But please don't presume for even the briefest instant that anything you think now or anytime in the future will measure up to the most mundane thought Joe Gibbs has ever had. I mean, after a game like that the best you can offer is "where was Lloyd"? Your ranting today ranks up there with the incompetent Brian Mitchell, who is as much a team cancer on TV as he was in the locker room. Maybe we can send you both to Philly where you belong.

I've read my last Redskins Insider. You're not a bad writer, but the clear conflict between reporting and blogging has a corrosive effect on your integrity and reputation. Your malice and obvious bias while doing the latter has simply gotten out of hand and destroyed the credibility that any true reporter would strive for.

Posted by: Pete | September 24, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Therefore, I no longer consider myself a fan. I'm out of here, goodbye.

Posted by: DisgustedFan | September 24, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

No better forum to air diversity of opinion.

Posted by: DisgustedFan | September 24, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Haters and cowgirl a$$clowns seem to have taken over the blog. May they enjoy yelling at each other for all of eternity. Time to find another place to hang out.

Posted by: TM | September 24, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

How much longer do any of you think we can ride the shoe laces of a 80s HOF coach who cant even time mge a game?This will be last year National media doesnt lable our once PROUD franchise a COMPLETE JOKE? That will begin toward end and calls for forced retirement will begin.THANK GOD

Posted by: Alls i want for xmas is retirement announcement? | September 24, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

dcsween, don't kid yourself, the midget is VERY involved. He sits in & makes "suggestions" on draft day, $igns guys when the team is still debating the guys worth, etc. He has his butt kisser Currato out there spying every day too. It's not a good situation.

Posted by: Ghost of Jack Kent Cooke | September 24, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Somewhat amusing, more juvenile than anything else.

Posted by: DisgustedFan | September 24, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Joe's Gotta Go!!!

Posted by: Who cares | September 24, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Don't let the door hit your a$$ on the way out, DisgustedFan!

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | September 24, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I still believe Skins will win games against Packers, Lions and Cards.

5-1!!! Whose with me?

Posted by: LH | September 24, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

No worry - I'm here for the long haul.

Posted by: DisgustedFan | September 24, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

not me or anyone else with a brain

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Pete,

That is by far the best post I've read on this blog all season and I couldn't agree with you more.

Posted by: TheGuru10 | September 24, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Right now, as they are, they MIGHT win 1 of the next 3..... could easily lose all 3 playing like they did yesterday.

Posted by: Ghost of Jack Kent Cooke | September 24, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

It's obvious there are a lot of things to *like* out there. The problem is simply that they lost a game in a fashion that we have become all too familiar with the last three (or fifteen) years. 2-0 gave us hope that they had moved beyond that. They clearly have not, and it's particularly ranklesome to the fanbase.

Posted by: Wes Mantooth | September 24, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Jason:

Nice analysis. So much for the "the offense was too conservative" argument. Why the shot at Dan at the end? It's giving ammo to those who say you are a bitter little man.

Posted by: DPA6 | September 24, 2007 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I think everyone should freely express his/her opinion on here without being told to go somewhere else. I respect everyones opionion from the optimist to the realist, everyone always has an intresting view on a subject whether I agree with it or not. I don't agree with everything DisgustedFan has to say but I do say I can agree with 65% of what was posted. Until the Redskins get a real front office, this team will be the laughing stock of the NFL. Gibbs as great of coach he is, is not a GM. I really do not want to bash Joe Gibbs, nor am I blaming him for the losing that has occured during his return thus far, but even Gibbs will say "It starts with someone", usually that is followed up by, "And it starts with me", I don't believe that, and deep down I think Gibbs dosen't believe it either. Dan Snyder was a genius for bringing back Joe J. Gibbs. He knew if the team faltered he didn't have to worry about fans calling for the coach's job, it's Joe Gibbs. He knew if he was to kinda indirectly suggest that Joe Gibbs is in charge of player personnel and calling plays, and have Joe Gibbs week in and week out take blame for loss after loss, he could just sit back and watch the money roll in while a 66 year old man is suffering mentally and emotionally. You wanna blame someone, blame freakin' Dan Snyder, I really don't know how he is/was forgotten in all of this. He is the worse. WashPo had a survey of if you could who would you bring back to the skins. I don't remember all of the choices but the three I do remember were: 1)LaVar Arrington 2)Champ Bailey 3)The Cook Family. Make mine the Cook's. Yeah the Skins were bad six years before Dan Dan showed up but were coached by Norv Turner. I think all of the grief and fustrations can be traced to Snyder. He fires Schottenheimer after one season, brings in Spurrier -FLOP, and finally not because of childhood idolization but as pawn, front man if you will. Kinda like that guy in Casino who signed all the documents giving people loans (Ah, The Teamsters. Isn't that what Jimmy Hoffa did too?) but took all his Q's from the mob. Gibbs is out there taking blame for player personnel moves, a percentage should be placed on Gibbs as well, but Snyder knew Gibbs was probably not the best fit for this team -right now.

Posted by: SkinsRealist | September 24, 2007 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Jason/JLa,

I must compliment you on this post. I think it was an excellent breakdown of the game. Let it not be said that I never say anything good about you.

For those of you who don't agree with him about the run/pass ratio: sometimes, all a team has to do to win is run straight up the middle for no gain every down. I know it seems odd, but it's true.

At the same time, I do find this point made earlier to be interesting:

"I find it funny that after the Eagles game on Monday night there was no Tuesday recap of the game on this blog, simply the names of some O-Lineman they were bringing in to replace Thomas. Maybe b/c JLC picked the Eagles to win.

Now they lose their first game and we get the longest blog post of the season ripping every facet of the coaching staff and team. I don't want you to love the Skins, but do you have to jump on them every time something goes wrong?

Posted by: TheGuru10 | September 24, 2007 01:36 PM "

Yes...very interesting indeed. I wouldn't go so far as to say you ripped EVERY facet of the coaching staff and team, but you must confess it's an interesting contrast.

Posted by: jcabana | September 24, 2007 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Way to go Jasno, nice post. Being there in the stands and slowly watching our lead dwindle until it was all but lost, I kept asking myself why we weren't running the ball... and why oh why the SJK couldn't we stop the gints on 3rd and longs?

What topped everything was trying to flee FedEx, my car was stopped for about 45 minutes in the parking lot right next to a Giants post game tail gate. Salt in an open wound brothers and sisters.

I am 0-3 at Fed Ex field and 6-0 at RFK for the Nats and the United. Maybe I should go to more Nats games and stick to watching the Skins on the couch.

Posted by: Dorf | September 24, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

The ONLY good part about paying $100 for a tix to see that mess right now is the bimbo cheerleaders. Which one is the future Mrs Cooley? I was curious which one will be divoring him a few years & taking half of that bonus he just got.

Posted by: Ghost of Jack Kent Cooke | September 24, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

My rebutal to dcsween and jcabana.

Lets face it guys the coaches call the play. The team executes the play. If you were coaching the Skins yesterday on a 1st and goal, would you have run to the left side twice knowing that you didn't run the ball effectively in the second half and knowing that the giants are going to go after the left side because it is obvious that was where we were running all day.
2 games into the season is early for stats , I agree but if a team has given up 80 points in two games and sucks in the secondary; wouldn't you expose that? I don't expect the Skins to dominate every game but the should dominate an 0-2 opponent at home up 17-3 at the half. You can say what you want about Belichick but he is the master of modern day football. Listen I want the Skins to have a great year because I don't see Joe sticking around if they don't make the playoffs. The offense was fine in 2005, we did we tweek it; ITS NOT WORKING!

Posted by: Jeff | September 24, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

J Campbell isn't the answer either. He makes me think Jay S when I watch him , but even more unsure.

Posted by: Ghost of Jack Kent Cooke | September 24, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, you can't run 40 times in the second half if you only get 4 possessions. The defense couldn't get off the field; these things work hand in hand... None of this is new: Campbell didn't play any differently than he did the first 2 games; the Giants just didn't catch his picks. If McNabb could get some accuracy last week, they would've lost that one, too. This team is what it is...

Posted by: kwamesnani | September 24, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Its TIME for all FED UP fans,

TO ITA

all the fans on this blog who continue to not be able to accept reality? Lets put it in a way that has to wake you up?

Our last SB was in 1991 that was 16 yrs ago and anybody who is 26yrs old and younger chances are(they were 10 or younger)they dont remember? same cant be said from 70s to 90s?

Posted by: ITA kool-aide drinkers | September 24, 2007 1:59 PM | Report abuse

This Franchise has been seriously tarnished and no other teams and theyre fans fear us?

Posted by: geoge allen | September 24, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Jeff, I was agreeing with you for the most part. I think coaching is a problem. Breathe.

SCSkinsFan, i still recommend ignoring the troll.

Posted by: jcabana | September 24, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Kudos to SkinsRealist for the respectful posting.

What many are missing here is that I have been a fan for four decades of this team and have been a diehard supporter until I reached my disgust threshold last season in the opening game. I don't switch teams, I don't root for winners, I'm not a "termite." I endured years of abuse as a Skins fan in Philly and never wavered. But at some point, as a fan you need to take a critical view and decide how best to support the team. For me, that means not buying merchandise or tickets and denying the team that small token income, watching the scores and highlight (or lowlight) on ESPN and cable on-demand but also not rooting against the team or for another team. I am dismayed that too many fans line up and check their common sense at the stadium - YOU as fans drive the success of the team and should be outraged that the organization is so contemptuous of your support.

Posted by: DisgustedFan | September 24, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

LAVAR ARRINGTON SPEAKS:


The Sideline is scheduled to open in December and it sits practically in the shadow of FedEx Field, where Arrington played six seasons and became the face of the Redskins' franchise.

Instead of sitting in on daily linebacker meetings, Arrington now huddles with marketing, financial, architectural and culinary advisers about his 7,500 square-foot restaurant, which will feature a bar that sits inside a towering makeshift football and a VIP lounge that hovers above the restaurant floor like a press box.

"I am so at peace with my life," says Arrington, who had just bought his motorcycle days before the accident and was issued two citations by police for not having a motorcycle license and for the crash itself. "I don't feel lost, I don't feel any depression. I feel great. Me and my wife, we have a fire pit on our deck outside of our master bedroom and we have been sitting out there at night roasting marshmallows."

Arrington gets all soft and mushy when talking about retirement and the Giants, who released him in February. Unlike Tiki Barber, Arrington is a Tom Coughlin fan.

"Coughlin took care of me, man," says Arrington, who signed a seven-year, $49 million pact with the Giants as a free agent in 2006. "I am not supporting Coughlin over Tiki and I am not supporting Tiki over Coughlin. They took care of me. Ownership, management, I wish them all the best because they are a class act."

Arrington does not say the same about Daniel Snyder, the Redskins owner who drafted him second overall in 2000. After making the Pro Bowl from 2001 to 2003 and signing an eight-year, $68 million extension with the Redskins near the end of the 2003 season, Arrington clashed with Snyder over a nasty financial dispute. The linebacker and his agent claimed that he was shortchanged $6.5 million of the extension.

Arrington, who suffered a knee injury that required surgeries in 2004 and 2005, fell out of favor with Joe Gibbs' coaching staff and was labeled a freelancer who didn't fit in defensive coordinator Gregg Williams' scheme.

"I hate the way that Dan Snyder and Joe Gibbs handled things," says Arrington, who settled his dispute with Snyder and surrendered $2 million to get out of his contract in 2006. "So I don't have a liking for them particularly. I made three Pro Bowls under crazy circumstances. People wouldn't even know how complicated it is to be a Washington Redskin. I am not a mudslinger so I won't get into details of it."

Arrington credits Snyder - who once called his franchise linebacker "a Redskin through and through" -- with teaching him how to become a shrewd businessman.

"I will be a successful businessman based on probably 85% of the things I have learned from Daniel Snyder," says Arrington, who is starting a clothing line with Baltimore linebacker Ray Lewis and former University of Miami linebacker Rohan Marley and is doing analysis for a local network. "It appears that (the Redskins) pay more money (than other teams). Dan Snyder is brilliant in that he knows how to backload, he knows that if he wants to pay, he has at least two to three years to decide if he really wants to pay you what your contract is (worth). Or he will restructure you and guarantee you more money and you will get some, but it is not what people think it is.

"Watch what they will do," Arrington continues. "They will get rid of (running back) Clinton (Portis) before they have to pay him his crazy amount of money. They will get rid of (offensive lineman) Chris Samuels. That is how they do business. Or they restructure you."

Still, Arrington's logo for his restaurant is painted in the Redskins' burgundy and gold. He loves the franchise and is still beloved here by its rabid fans. Dozens of shoppers wished Arrington a speedy recovery while he was standing outside his restaurant in an outdoor mall located where the old Capital Centre used to stand.

With designs on a charity initiative called "Grand Destiny" that will house 100 foster children from the area, the man once labeled the next Lawrence Taylor has no problem moving on from a seven-year career that fizzled due to injuries and ended with him limping off the Texas Stadium turf last year. After escaping his crash with just a couple of broken bones, Arrington wants to focus on mending the lives of the needy now.

"Probably the reason why things didn't pan out the way I would have liked them to is because I was more than an NFL player to begin with," Arrington says of his charities and business aspirations and his life now. "I'm busy, bro. Make a tackle, eh, that's cool. You'll make a million. Run fast, eh, that's cool, make a million.

Posted by: Rob | September 24, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Bring in Cowher!

Posted by: Jeff | September 24, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Disgusted:

That makes a bit more sense. The switching teams thing is odd. I am not a koolaid junkie, I have said,thought all these before to. Me (and have been a fan since 79) I just love loving the team, so its hard..I take the abuse stupidly. I get your point about the merchandise and not buying, and well since I dont go to games and get my skins merch at second hand shops (I am retro like that) that is hollow for me...


I appreciate the tough logh...maybe just not the screaming angst and charges of "not getting it"

Its a sad day when we cant share opinions, laugh, cry, dissect without this level of vitrol at EACHOTHER...especially with the rollz out in full force....

Posted by: Chris Larry | September 24, 2007 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Gossip: Shaq's wife fell for Cuban personal trainer

We've heard some juicy new info on why Shaquille O'Neill so abruptly filed for divorce. Shaq,35, says he found out his wife Shaunie Nelson, 32, had been hiding money and investments. But the financial shenanigans weren't the ONLY reason Shaq called the marriage off. According to our source, Shaunie has been having a raging affair with one of Shaq's personal trainers - described as "a muscular Cuban." When Shaunie fell for this guy she started stashing money away and went so far as to put a secret down payment on a HOUSE that she plans to share with the Cuban! Shaq's team Miami Heat pays him 20 million a year so he's not suffering much, and remember, Shaq originally stole Shaunie from his BEST FRIEND so maybe it's a case of just desserts. -- Janet Charlton's Hollywood Gossip

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

i for one think we were too conservative...but by that i dont mean we shouldnt have run the ball more...youre spot on with that...especially in the second half...what i mean is we need to stretch the field when they do pass...too much intermediate stuff...we need to get back to old school skins smashmouth football and big passing plays...pound the rock and stretch the field...stretch the field and pound the rock...we need to be throwing those 20-30 yard routes that are killing us on the other side of the ball...pound the rock...and more shots down field...oh and pound the rock!!!!

stretching the field opens up the run and the intermediate stuff...its hard to get the running game going when you only go 10 yards deep with passes...

the weakest secondary in the league and we didnt take advantage of that often enough...stretch the field and pound the rock!!!

Posted by: deadskin | September 24, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

While I appreciate Jason and his work on this blog, today's post was chock full of piss and vinegar for the team. If you just read today's post you'd swear that we hadn't won a single game yet. Seemed to be a little too angry and too critical if you ask me.

We're 2-1 right?

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | September 24, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Redskins can win the game easy yesterday, but look like they are selling the game to NY Giant for money.

Posted by: kenvivi | September 24, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

The Lions are 2-1 as well. What does that tell you ?

Posted by: DisgustedFan | September 24, 2007 2:14 PM | Report abuse

CP had 14 rushes 60 yds 1td 4.4 avg.
looks good right? He also had 1 lg run of 16 which then would drop that avg to 3.3 which is why Gibbs had no faith and Jason you shouldnt spin facts to please people? 3 straight 3& outs & a fumble is why gibbs COULDNT stick to RUN!

Posted by: ITA all SPINERS | September 24, 2007 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry we got 14 games to play. Every team got the bad day.

Posted by: kenvivi | September 24, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

DisgustedFan,

THAT I can totally agree with. Maybe you're a real fan after all. If so, please accept my apologies.

What you just described in your last post is tough love. Shouting at a group of hardcore fans about how you've abandoned the team and how they've never amounted to anything in over a decade? That's not tough love. That's just obvious -- and kind of rude to boot. We all know about the negative front office issues, and I'd still rather be a Redskins fan than, say, an Orioles fan.

I agree: if fans hit Snyder in the pocketbook, he would have real incentive to turn the team around. Until he does, he'll keep making marketing moves designed to generate hope instead of hard, less-glamorous decisions designed to win games.

Posted by: jcabana | September 24, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

That last series of downs will go into the NFL Films archive as some of the worst game management on every level. It rivals what used to pass for football in forsaken markets like NO and Cincinatti. Piss and vinegar is called for.

Posted by: DisgustedFan | September 24, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the worst logic in the world is taking the one long run out of somebody's total and then saying "now look." I mean, there is really nothing more absurd.

Posted by: Wes Mantooth | September 24, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

The Lions being 2-1 tell you the same thing as the Redskins being 2-1: that it's not time to jump off a bridge because your team lost one game.

Posted by: jcabana | September 24, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Greg, we are all pissed today. The game was not only ours for the taking but it was the manner in whcih we lost. All Skins fans thought that those kind of losses were a thing of the past....we were wrong. We are angry because we feel that this frnachise will never turn the corner and that for evry step forward that we take...we take two steps back. So understandably....were are pissed.

Posted by: Jeff | September 24, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

So on what day of the week does the blog get back to "normal?" I mean when can I expect the arguing and "F yous" to subside.

I know the cowgirl fans won't go away. Those guys are like roaches (when the 'girls are winning).

Posted by: Cindy's boy toy | September 24, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

CP had 14 rushes 60 yds 1td 4.4 avg.
looks good right? He also had 1 lg run of 16 which then would drop that avg to 3.3

Posted by: ITA all SPINERS | September 24, 2007 02:14 PM

UHHHHH right but then it wouldn't be his average would it.

Posted by: Skinz | September 24, 2007 2:21 PM | Report abuse

This team was out rushed by a TIKI less & Jacobs less Giants rush offense? What happen to all that braging about Portis-Betts backfield and CP not participating in the OFFSEASON is a joke!

Posted by: Are you kidding me | September 24, 2007 2:21 PM | Report abuse

HOLY COW!

Posted by: Mike Patrick | September 24, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

All of you are right in some ways, but going way overboard on other items... Carlos Rogers is who he is, same as last week. CALM DOWN. He's decent, but no shut down... He's got work to do...

Biggest problem was we could not run the ball and the Giants D imposed their will on us when tried to Run...

The Reaper is a load of over-hyped BS. I'm in a love/hate relationship with him... He cannot keep over pursuing guys like he did w the P Burress TD pass/run. That is BS... He's not a rookie or 2nd year guy andymore and GW better stick it to him. That cannot go unmentioned. IF he did his job as centerfielder he would have made a solid tackle to PREVENT THE BIG PLAY. BTW - His interception was a gimme from LBM. Taylor gets too much credit. I was a big proponenet of him, but his performance seemed to go down in the middle of last year. He was being relied on too much to make too many tackes because of the porous line and LB's... He doesn't have to be a a highlight machine. If those secondaey/safety coaches can't get him straight they need to go...

Coaches need to address why Cooley is pass blocking so much that is BS. If our line can't protect JC well enough then we need a better O line. End of Story. Stop F'in away picks and build this team's foundation on the O and D line.

We are what we are this year... 9-7 at best... but that was a game we needed and simply gave away, like last year and the middle games in 2005.

Posted by: E in VB | September 24, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

ITA skinz for not recognizing the reality between 4.4 & 3.3

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how you can fault the defense for this loss.

The offense couldn't run the ball and sustain drives. JC is young, he's going to be awesome, but he's young. He showed flashes of brilliance on that final drive, and lots of youth on the drives previous to that. Like Rypien's first full season in 1990, JC makes some dumb mistakes and some brilliant plays. It'll take time, you have to give the kid a chance. Meanwhile, when you have a young QB, it is positively inexplicable to me that they didn't put the game on CP's shoulders. They have a franchise back and they're not using him, or they're not telling us the truth about his injury condition.

And, once more I have to reiterate: three-fifths of that offensive line were not starters in training camp. The running game is purely one-dimensional at this point, running behind Samuels and Kendall. This is why Randy Thomas isn't on IR: the coaching staff knows that they're a .500 team with the state of the line as it is, and they are praying that he gets back in time to help them make a run.

Finally, we need to give major props to Rock Cartwright, ARE, and the whole special teams. Aside from Shazam's one missed FG, they were close to perfect.

Oh, and one more thing...because I love football as much as I love the 'Skins: the Cowboys were pretty impressive last night. It would make me cry to see them in the Super Bowl, but you have to admit that they look pretty good.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 24, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Wes Mantooth, I agree it is absurd to take the 16 yard run out of Portis average. He had 4.4 ypc and 1 TD. The statistics are incomplete though ... his fumble was a game changer and, if he had held onto the pass in the right flat in the 3rd quarter, it could have been 2 TDs. Portis had a bad day.

What surprised me was the bit from the previous thread that JustMe posted ... about how Saunders didn't know why (or that) Portis wasn't going to be in the game for that last series.

["Communication breakdown, its always the same, communication breakdown, drives me insane." - Led Zepplin].

Posted by: dcsween | September 24, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

pasting is gay

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Last year Baltimore owner basically told Billick (a guy who has won a Super Bowl for him) that his job is on the line. Billick ended up taking over play calling because if his job is on the line, he will get the team to play his way. Ravens went on a roll.

Danny need to basically tell G2.0 (let's not call him Gibbs until he proved that he can still coach) the same thing. Basically right now G2.0 is getting about 1 million per win with his huge contract. If he were anyone else, Danny would have fired him. Norv was a better head coach for Redskins than G2.0.

G2.0 - call your own plays. If you suck, you get fired. And we know you suck. You lack the motivation and work ethics of the real Joe Gibbs.

The real Joe Gibbs would get his team to beat up on teams they are supposed to beat up on. The real Joe Gibbs will get his teams to surprise and find ways to win against teams they are not supposed to win.

G2.0's teams look confused and lost most of the time. They always lose to better teams and find ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory against sucky teams.

Fire G2.0. I don't want to see Cowher next year either. Find a young Offensive guy who is hungry for Wins and want to establish himself.

We may no longer be Over the Hill gang for the players...but the coaches sure are Over The Hill..


FIRE G2.0

Thank you

Posted by: Danny Need to Take A Page From Ravens Owner | September 24, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Janso,

Great post. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | September 24, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Hey, people, CALM DOWN. I have some good news...the Skins are 2-1. Not 0-3 and 1-2.

They have a bye week, they can work on some things.

I agree with J-Lac's comments. But who knows who's calling the plays. Joe and Al have to be on the same page.

I am angry just like everyone. Recall my post on the chat on Friday, about being 2-0 in the division.

The one time Rogers wasn't looking at the QB, he lets Burress take it to the house.

I remembered the report on him coming out of Auburn was that he was physical...but more like lackadaisical. I missed Smoot on Sunday. They could've at least rotated him in with Rogers.

That said, the handling of the last 4 plays of the game was embarrassing.

Why not run a naked bootleg? J-Cam is fast.

As for him struggling to roll left and throw, I think he lost some confidence...in fact the whole team did.

Jason was making his 10th start, and he is a WIP (work in progress).

You hear some say that the handcuffs should be taken off of him, and others say that they should've run the ball more.

I say it should be both. It's time to let Jason start walking on his own, rather than continue to crawl as an NFL QB.

Having said that, I still believe that he's going to be a good one (or the The Truth as J-Lac has said).

My only plea is this: stop comparing him to Schroeder.

Because that is almost as embarrassing as the clock/play management at the end of the game.

Go Skins!

Posted by: dg | September 24, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Both teams are inflated at this point - try to take a longer view than just week to week. What do you see in place that will change the direction of the team against mediocre opponents much less the stronger teams ? It's just not there for me.
Getting the Lions at RFK used to be a laugher. Now the Lions will come in and Martz will have no fear in slinging it all over the field.
Where are the tangible signs that this organization has learned and has made changes ? Gibbs is entrenched, Saunders is entrenched and certainly Williams is entrenched. Who at the end of the day hurts more in losses - the players who treat this as "business" and pick up game checks or the fans who have to keep deluding themselves that the times will change ?

Posted by: DisgustedFan | September 24, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Add sweenyboy to ITA list for also not seeing how in affective portis-betts were?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Lol, you can't ITA me retard. I ITA you.

You can't get rid of his biggest run then say "well without it he'd have a lower average." We have this thing called reality here. As Ali G says, "Is nice!!!"

Posted by: Skinz | September 24, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

There's a reason we don't see Portis as a receiver out of the backfield a whole lot, and yesterday shows why. We're all enamored of getting CP out in space, but he's not LT or Faulk in the day. I'm not going to kill him for that or for the fumble, of which JC was partly responsible.

In the end, CP needs the carries at the goalline. Backs like Portis don't score a lot of TDs by accident or by being lucky or opportunistic. And you feed a back like Portis because you never know when the long run of 16 might instead be a long run of 45 and a touch.

Posted by: Wes Mantooth | September 24, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

LaVar didn't look very happily married while at Seacrets recently....

Posted by: Ghost of Jack Kent Cooke | September 24, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Man, are the buzzards circling today or what?

This team just lost it's focus in the 2nd half. They got ahead, they got complacent and then they got beat.

This game should serve as a reminder that they can't just show up and win. They have to bring it every week.

If they can match the intensity they had in the Philly game and the 1wt half of this weeks game, they'll be competative week in and week out. If not--we're screwed.

Posted by: etrod | September 24, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Lol, you can't ITA me retard. I ITA you.

You can't get rid of his biggest run then say "well without it he'd have a lower average." We have this thing called reality here. As Ali G says, "Is nice!!!"

Posted by: Skinz | September 24, 2007 02:28 PM


Owned!

Posted by: DA Truef | September 24, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"Add sweenyboy to ITA list for also not seeing how in affective portis-betts were?"

Posted by: | September 24, 2007 02:26 PM

I don't even know where to begin on responding to this one.

Posted by: dcsween | September 24, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Disgusted, get another hobby...seriously, try stamp collecting.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | September 24, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

YOU HAVE TO GET 1ST DOWNS TO BE ABLE TO RUN LADIES

I REPEAT YOU HAVE TO GET 1ST DOWNS LADIES TO BE ABLE TO RUN

I REPEAT YOU HAVE TO GET 1ST DOWNS LADIES TO BE ABLE TO RUN

NOW ALL TOGETHER LADIES

WE HAVE TO GET 1ST DOWNS TO RUN IT

Posted by: ALL TOGETHER and HOLD HANDS | September 24, 2007 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone tell me why CP was sucking on oxygen after only running a few plays in the 3rd quarter? Seemed like something was up with him... hmmm.

Posted by: JoeyV | September 24, 2007 2:32 PM | Report abuse

in affective? Sweet mericful crap.

Posted by: etrod | September 24, 2007 2:32 PM | Report abuse

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!

Posted by: Mike Patrick | September 24, 2007 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Yo quit dissing on me so much guys...you know why I am starting for the team.

Its your boy Gibbs that traded away Mr Shutdown Corner Bailey and a bunch of draft picks for a system running back

It's your boy Gibbs that let Walt Harris walk when he could have kept him for cheap. Ya Wally went to the pro-bowl last year you know.

Posted by: Carlos Rogers | September 24, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Printer Recommendation: Canons, baby, all the way. I replaced a Lexmark last year that was actually a pretty good printer, but it was five years old. The replacement is the Canon MP600 inkjet, which runs around $150.00. Separate colors in the ink supply, so you can replace them as needed. With the photo paper, you can't tell the difference from photo lab prints. As for HP, the Lexmark was purchased AFTER I spent two days trying to get an HP installed -- unsuccessfully. Check the Canon reviews on cnet, and buy Canon.

Posted by: TMU | September 24, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Wait I'm confused. So we can't run it until we get a first down? Or we have to run it in order get a first down?

Or do you mean that in order to run ladies you need first downs?

Repeating ambiguous statements multiple times, even in all caps, only further confuses us. It doesn't reinforce your point.

Posted by: Skinz | September 24, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

CP had 14 rushes 60 yds 1td 4.4 avg.
looks good right? He also had 1 lg run of 16 which then would drop that avg to 3.3 which is why Gibbs had no faith and Jason you shouldnt spin facts to please people? 3 straight 3& outs & a fumble is why gibbs COULDNT stick to RUN!

Posted by: ITA all SPINERS | September 24, 2007 02:14 PM

Figures don't lie but liars do figures. Is this supposed to be analysis? If you look at any starting running backs numbers you will, more often than not, find that they have many short runs interspersed with a few long runs. Most of the time it's those 3.3 yd carries that wear a D down and lead to the longer runs. The problem yesterday was that the team did not mix up the play calling which presumably would have sustained drives and permitted more runs.

Posted by: LH | September 24, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

couldn't disagree more. we tried to establish a run game and got denied. we needed to take more shots down field when we had the learn to stretch the field- get those safeties out of the box. We failed. we lost our best lineman (thomas) and his mate to the right...we simply aren't as good running as we think we are- thus we need to help the RBs out. and little dump passes aren't what i'm referencing...

Posted by: realist | September 24, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

da truef
even I can understand he wasnt trying to take the LGst run away for stats but to show how many of his runs went for very LITTLE!And thats why it wasnt in 2nd Half not that they didnt try!

Posted by: Dumb & DUMBER guess not da truef is | September 24, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I personally believe that Ladell Betts is unable to score touchdowns because, uh, some people out there in our nation don't have touchdowns, and, uh, I believe that our education, like such as in South Africa and the Iraq -- everywhere like such as -- and I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help Ladell Betts, or should help Mike Sellers, and should help the Jason Campbell and the receiver, so we will be able to build up our touchdowns for us.

Posted by: Miss Teen South Carolina | September 24, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

2 TCCLs for Jasno's printer retirement.

Maximum possible score would have been 4 TCCLs (on degree of difficulty), but would have required (1) not keeping it inside a plastic bag and (2) climbing onto and throwing it from the roof. Could have been 4.5 by waiting for the Customer Support supervisor to come on the line, putting the supervisor on speaker phone, and THEN destroying the printer.

Posted by: dcsween | September 24, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

ADD LH TO LIST OF PEOPLE WHO ARE DUMB AS***

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I saw The Interview.

Snyder also said that 26 year old reporters don't know what they are talking about.

(another truth that is hard to swallow?)

Posted by: M&M | September 24, 2007 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Dumb, (It truly suits you, keep it)

When trying to "back up" "another" persons post try not to use the same basic gramatical errors, lack of caps and shorthand they use.

It tends to eat away at your credibility and tricks no one.

Posted by: DA Truef | September 24, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

ITA LH for even signing on this blog!

He made IQ level drop even farther? Thought that was impossible

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I thought it was Gibbs that mentioned the 26 year old reporter in his post game not the owner.

Posted by: Forrest | September 24, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Jasno hasn't been 26 in some time.

Snyder is an idiot. Why would anyone listen to or believe him.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

etrod... well said. COMPLACENCY.

They better wake up though, b/c that will get them nowhere. Thay haven't son't JACK SJK yet. Coaches better make em feel the pain in practice these next two weeks and have them ready to beat the crap out of the Lions! We need a statement win... enough with every damn game being a nail biter.

Props to the Special Teamers... They would have definitely got the game ball if we didn't blow it...

Posted by: E in VB | September 24, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

ITA da truef for continuing his IGNORANCE of ITA rules!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

look at the writing style people. same troll that's always up here. makes statements followed by question marks. stop engaging with him. he wants you to reply. that's his sorry pathetic excuse for existing. let him have his fun. the short bus will be loading soon, and he will gone like a fart in the wind.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Take away Randy Moss's two TDs yesterday and he only had 3 catches. Terrible.

Posted by: STAT MAN | September 24, 2007 2:43 PM | Report abuse

"be" gone, anon meant

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have a link to the interview?

And, I had no idea Jasno was 26?!?!

Posted by: P Diddy | September 24, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

pasting is gay

Posted by: | September 24, 2007 02:24 PM


I agree.

Posted by: Elmer | September 24, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

da da dumb truef
the true reality is knowing how bad your team truly SUCKS and being able to rub it in that open wound with alot of SALT!! ahahhahahahehehehahahahaahahahahheheheehehehhazhahahaheheheh Nothing you IDIOTS say will make your SORRY POOR EXCUSE of a football team any better

Posted by: OH YEAH OH YEAH | September 24, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

" ... we tried to establish a run game and got denied. ..."

Posted by: realist | September 24, 2007 02:35 PM

I dunno if I agree about how hard they tried to establish the running game before deciding that it was "denied." Skins killed on time of possession in the first half BECAUSE of the running game, which wore down the D. Giants used the same strategy in the second half. Not sure why the Skins abandoned it ... unless Portis really did re-injure his knee.

Am I the only one who saw him hop-skip across the field before the end of the half, which became a hop-limp by the time he reached the sideline? It was right before the first Skins' timeout (when Betts subbed in mid-series on 3rd and 1, lost 4 yards on a RUSHING play with 46 seconds left on the 25, and then the FG team came on with 4 seconds left).

Posted by: dcsween | September 24, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Take away all of the Giants points yesterday and the skins win.

Remember, you can't win the game unless you score more points than you're oponent.

Posted by: Joe Theeeeeesman | September 24, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

JLC shows how little he knows about football by talking about run/pass ratios. Those ratios only exist because MOST of the time teams who are winning can run in the 4th quarter. AGAIN, that stupid run/pass ratio is a RESULT of good running teams running it a bunch in the 4th quarter. IF YOU AVERAGE 2 YARDS A RUN, YOU CANNOT RUN IT 40 TIMES. People who know football would laugh at this recent post.

A team like the Skins, who are faced with 3rd and longs because their running game sucks HAVE TO PASS ON THIRD DOWN TO KEEP THE BALL AND RUN OUT THE CLOCK. And if they are keying the run, like the Giants were, YOU HAVE TO PASS ON 1ST AND 2ND DOWN SOMETIMES. Otherwise you will have 2nd and 15 because you got stopped for a loss cause they knew you were gonna run.

JLC knows so little about football, and the fans that congratulate him for his "great analysis" know even less.

JAWS: a guy who knows football.
JLC: knows how to get the gossip from Ashburn, but knows nothing of X's and O's.

Posted by: JLC -- NOT a football guy | September 24, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Here's to hurricane force winds sweeping through RI.

Posted by: Cindy's boy toy | September 24, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Take away 9/11/01 and we've really held Al Qaeda in check.

Posted by: GWB | September 24, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

pasting is gay

Posted by: | September 24, 2007 02:24 PM


I agree.

Posted by: Elmer | September 24, 2007 02:45 PM


Totally.

I think it's Boofer. If it is, i'm happy he's back.

Posted by: Skinz | September 24, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I would place even more blame on the failed offense of the 2nd half on Portis as much as I love him. One drive stalled when he had strahan one on one out in the flat and couldn't catch a perfectly good pass and the second drive failed when he fumbled the ball in our territory.

Sure the play calling at the goal line there was suspect. I personally was expecting to see 3 wrs and then a hand off to sellers. It makes the most sense. But lets look at why we got there in the first place. Two stalled drives courtesy of Portis didn't help matters.

We are seeing the lack of practice with Campbell and Moss has he keeps overthrowing him while wide open deep.

Also the coaches have to give campbell some more room. A veteran QB would have walked up to that first and goal and faked a spike and tried to sneak in a quick pass to the end zone... doesn't work then its just like spiking the ball and there is no harm no foul.

The margin of victory is so small in this league. If we could have made one play on 3rd down on defense all second half we would have won. The D got complacent against a hungry veteran giants team with its back to the wall and it showed. Its something we were afraid about all week and justifiably so.

As another commentor posted the magical 40 run number really is more a result of being ahead but It would have been nice to have seen 3 straight portis runs in the 2nd half. Oh wait we were and then he FUMBLED.

Guys I was really down about losing to the point that I was seriously considering taking a break from all Redskins articles blogs etc... for a couple days then I realized that in spite of all the mistakes we were quite close.

In many ways we are a very young team. We got rid of a bunch of veterans and are letting the youngsters have a chance. I expect us to gel more and get more of that killer instinct of the season goes on especially after the pain in their gut from losing this past game. We all knew this wasn't our year. It is our year to come together as a team play solid football and make the playoffs and make a serious run to the superbowl next year with JC in his 3rd year of starting.

Ok I've mind dumped long enough.

Posted by: Dante | September 24, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Jason,
Excellent analysis.

One nit to pick: Caldwell and Lloyd are both 6-0, Caldwell has no height advantage. This has no bearing on your argument overall. I understand why BL gets the treatment he does on RI. How the team treats him is (almost the same)...go figure?

Posted by: Stumped | September 24, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse

HAVE TO PASS ON THIRD DOWN TO KEEP THE BALL AND RUN OUT THE CLOCK

Posted by: Who knows nothing about football? | September 24, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

The difference is that Lloyd plays like he's 5'2.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Take away the flooding and New Orleans handled Katrina well.

Posted by: Brownie | September 24, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

When do libraries close? I'm guessing that's when CAPS LOCK/anon will lose his computer privileges for the day.

Posted by: ITA since 2007 | September 24, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I think the Skins should start video taping the defenses signals. All that would happen is a large fine, which the skins have one of the richest owners, and lose draft picks, which they trade any way. What do you think.

Posted by: Scot | September 24, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

F Boofer. If the Cowgirls are so great, why isn't he hanging out on their blogs?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Remember the time we debated in circles about 'effective running' and how easy it is to say 'run the ball'? oh, we're still doing it? GRRRREEEEAAAATTTTT.

When were the extra runs supposed to occur? The 3rd and 8s?

Bottom line: at a certain point, no matter what it chooses to do, an offense has to be effective. We couldn't throw or run in that 2nd half until the final drive. You can take the number of runs and throw them out the window (though they'd be dropped). The numbers that matter are the 3 and outs; the number of completely ineffective plays on offense. What also matters is our 'improved D' is better than last year; in the same way that 1 is more than 0. We've still got the same problems. Absolutely embarrassing that we validated the worst general managing decision in NFL history for the 3rd straight year by allowing eli manning to beat us.

Everything else JLC says is on point. There was a giants fan at Hill Country on Sunday. He celebrated and made noise during the worst times. I had nothing to say to him. No response. (*^&% the Redskins for putting me in that position.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | September 24, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

DisgustedFan has had it, and he's never coming back! I know this because he posts it every five minutes.

Posted by: Stay Strong Disgusted Fan! | September 24, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

biggest conserns:

Has Campbell been even close to a 300 yd game yet? I like the kid but we need to see some production, I could throw for 190 yards against the giants D. I think he averages 200 a game, which is great compaired to Brunell. Somethings not right there.

I get the feeling that we are playing AFC ball in the NFC East, and we need to stop that now.

Posted by: 35332 | September 24, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Sick to Redskins gossip JLC......leave the football analysis to people who know the game.

Posted by: C'mon JLC | September 24, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

One game people. One bad loss by 7 points. One yard and less than one minute. One executed running play to get in the end zone and recapture momentum. One statement play. One star rb sitting on the bench after one botched handoff. One pretender rb on the field who needs 2 hands on the ball because with one, he will fumble. One missed deep ball for the kill. One wasted spike on first and goal. One day of ranting, jumping ship and calling for people's jobs. One sarcastic SOB going by the name "disgruntled fan" working our nerves. STILL, we are 2 up and ONE down in the loss column. Ask San Diego and Nawlins if they'd trade places for ONE win. If you would have asked for 2-1 after three games your number One response would be yes. One week off to heal some injuries. One disappointing loss that should motivate a team. Still, we're only One game back of an overrated hated division rival now full of themselves because they beat Da QB-less Bears. Not one of us is crowning their a$$$. One more new addition to the O-line and WR corps. In 2 weeks, we get one more shot at a 3rd win. One love to the true skins fans.

Posted by: Gregskins | September 24, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, leave the analysis to those idiots over at ES. We all know how good THEY are.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Take away the loss to the Giants and we're undefeated.

Posted by: General Patton | September 24, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

35332 you couldn't throw for a 190 yards against DeMatha.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I hear my boy was the 100,000th poster.

Aren't you youngin's proud of him!!!!!

Posted by: Fake Nates Mom | September 24, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

DON'T TASE ME BRO!

Posted by: Lloyd, Brandon | September 24, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't it seem like we blow leads like no one's business? I feel like in the last four seasons (Gibbs II) we've blown more leads than any team in the NFL. JLC, is there some sort of analysis that's been done on NFL teams who win when leading going into half, in the fourth Qtr. etc? Something tells me we're on the lowest end of that winning percentage. If that's the case, to me, it points to a single culprit--coaching.

Posted by: The Dude | September 24, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

ES - home of an army of mindless little bots who attack on command and spread their horrible little virus everywhere they land.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I have to break my ITA rule for just one post.

You DO have to run the ball to win. Even if you are getting stopped for 1-2 yard gains.

If you continue to run the ball, even those little gainers begin to wear down the D and those 1-2 yarders become 4-5 yarders, then 8-10 yarders. Thats how it works.

Running the ball puts the offensive line on the attack. Ask any O-lineman if he'd rather A)launch himself in to a defender or 3)backpedal and pass protect and you'll hear option A 9 out of 10 times. Big guys want to hit somebody not redirect.

I'm not saying you run the ball every down, but a 60/40 balance is a good thing. It takes pressure off your young QB and it sets up play action.

If that's too much for you to understand, I'll put it this way. Running the ball has the same effect on defenses that typing in all caps has on bloggers: Eventually we wear down and do something stupid, like acknowlege your existance.

D-bag.

Posted by: etrod | September 24, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Fake Nate's posts aren't counted as real posts, o toothless hag.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Good post greg skins. At the beginning of the season we were all hoping to be 2-1 going into the buy with wins against miami and the giants. Well we beat the eagles instead and heck in getting to 2-1 this way we have more motivation for the players to come out fired up and more introspection on the part of the coaches to rectify what went wrong. Vs lose to the eagles and beat the giants and everyone proceeds like its what was supposed to happen and nothing is wrong.

Posted by: Dante | September 24, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

No, leave it to people who have played or coached the game. JLC doesn't know anything about football, and proves it in his analysis.

JLC has connections in Ashburn....which I am grateful for, because he keeps us up to date with all that goes on around the team....but he doesn't know football.

Posted by: C'mon JLC | September 24, 2007 3:02 PM | Report abuse

hey, i announced on monday night football that gibbs and the ground he walks on is worshipped! some of you guys need to shut up so i can keep that myth alive or ill lose all credibility. oh wait, i can say any dumb thing and never lose credibility. thats how the big time national sports and political media works.

carry on.

Posted by: kornheiser | September 24, 2007 3:02 PM | Report abuse

We need to learn not how to score 21 pnts a game but 28-35. You don't win with 21 like Gibbs thinks but you need 28-35

Posted by: 35332 | September 24, 2007 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Fake Nate's posts aren't counted as real posts

Posted by: | September 24, 2007 03:00 PM

Then you have no idea of how many posts to disregard. It is sad the lack of intelligence in this blogger. Stay in school, young blogger, stay in school!

Posted by: Fake Nates Mom | September 24, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Hahaha etrod, your posts are hilarious. Somehow the Skins could have run the ball to a win yesterday? Hahaha. Right.

Give the Giants D enough 3 and outs, enough 2.2 yard average runs, and somehow you will win?

Nice logic. Hahahah.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Two big botched plays by the secondary (I think Taylor's slip up was because, well, he literally slipped).

The second thumbnail has more game highlights. There is one where Macklin (#38) has a horrible tackle on Burress, which he breaks for many yards and begins what becomes the momentum shift in the second half. The second whiff is on Rogers; Burress gets him with the accursed "Double Move" and runs something like another 40 yards for a TD.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?season=2007&week=REG3&game_id=29240

If Portis would have been in on either of those last two rushing downs in the last second, seems (from these highlights anyway) that Skins would have one a game they were winning all along (i.e., this is a Skins-friendly edit of film of the game).

Posted by: dcsween | September 24, 2007 3:05 PM | Report abuse

It's now abundantly clear the Redskins will not be challenging for a playoff spot.

The coaching has been awful in all three games. We barely beat the 0-3 Dolphins. Should have lost to Philly, but got lucky. And got what we deserved against the Giants because Joe G 2.0 is scared of his own shadow. The Redskins reflect that in their play. We should be crushing teams and end up biting are nails until the end hoping we win.
It's been like this ever since Gibbs came back. We get up on teams and then forget how to play football, thinking opponents should just cowar in fear and mail it in. The team of Tin Men is actually the Skins.

Didn't the Skins lose more games than any other team last year when up by 11 points or more? Yes.

What a bunch of punks they are. Overpaid and overindulged losers from the coaches to the players.It's time to go back to the drawing board. Maybe we'll get lucky and little Napolean's (Danny boy) helicopter will crash into the Potomac.

Posted by: Anon | September 24, 2007 3:07 PM | Report abuse

No worries. Based on recent past experience, there isn't anyone at Ashburn who has coached football successfully either. Why should we trust them to start now?

Successful organizations start at the top. What is wrong with the Redskins begins with Snyder, Gibbs, and Ceratto. When they leave, there will be hope.

Posted by: Brian W. | September 24, 2007 3:07 PM | Report abuse

so "c'mon JLC", people have to have been actors to rate them, have made movies themselves to critique them, have been cooks to judge what is good food, to have owned a brewery to judge whats good beer, maybe you need to have been a sportswriter to criticize JLC. and on and on and on.

what a stupid comment.

Posted by: kornheiser | September 24, 2007 3:09 PM | Report abuse

F Fake Nate, and his Mom, and all his other deviant posting personalities.

Oh, and congratulations for being the highest individual poster. How's the basement?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Take away Ladell Betts's 13 yard run and he had 6 carries for -4 yards.

Posted by: The Terminator | September 24, 2007 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Either its a teacher work day for Texas schools or the unemployed cowboys fans are swamping internet access at the public library...

where's the "who farted, this blog stinks" guy when you need him. Jasno... still reading every comment? Cindy?

Posted by: Dorf | September 24, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

"Disgustedfan" has it right. This loss is inexcusable. It is heresy to say this for a skins fan who came of age in Gibbs 1.0, but he needs to go. The clock management and strategy is atrocious. How can you not run the ball over and over in the 2d half until the Giants collapse? The Giants had been torched for two games and were on the ropes, and we let them off the hook with end arounds and stupidity on the sidelines.

Posted by: ejg | September 24, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Get a clue:

The criticism that the skins should have run more in the 2nd half is pointless. How could they have run more if they were gaining 2 yards per rush on first and second down runs? Five possessions of 3 and outs with runs on first and second down equals ten rushes. Get a clue. You have to be able to throw the ball in the NFL in order to move the chains. Until this team figures out how to connect on 5-8 yard passes to sustain drives, then they are not going to be successful. This is why the smurfs are not going to cut it. Who is the possession receiver? I have no idea. Cooley, i guess.

Bottom line is that the play calling was way too conservative. The giants new what was coming. So predictable. So typical of the Gibbs II regime.

Posted by: M.E.G. | September 24, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

take away gibbs' 3 super bowl wins and the redskins haven't won any

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Kornheiser:

JLC doesn't understand the X's and O's. That is why he makes dumb comments like the run/pass ratio, which only works if you can convert 3rd downs. We can't.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, you have to be so bright to understand x's and o's. Maybe Einstein should have been a football coach.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

You don't have to be that bright....which makes JLC's lack of knowledge so laughable.

He shouldn't pretend to know, just stick to gossip.

Posted by: C'mon JLC | September 24, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

the blog is dead. long live the blog!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Jason - it's evident to me that you're a true fan. I did not realize this until your latest posting. I love Wise and the crew, but only with you do we get this kind of coverage, this kind of blue-collar ranting. Folding analysis into crafty writing is fine, but sometimes you just need to rant, and sometimes a fan needs to read rants. I think we relate better. It doesn't always need to make sense. We just need to send and reveuve rants - so excellent stuff! Certainly nothing you're going to find on Redskins.com.

Posted by: San Diego | September 24, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that every other team can take a young QB and make him look like a pro, and the 'Skins can't?

I agree with Disgruntled Fan; My wife and daughters are forbidden from purchasing Redskins mercahndise. It is a small form of protest, but if that's all I can do to let my discust at the running of this franchise show, then that's what I'll do. The mighty Midget doesn't care about wins and losses; as long as he makes money. In the post game show last night, you saw people withg the UGLY throwback jerseys on; more money for the Midget. The interview on Comcast was a joke.

Season tickets to the Skins used to be a prized possessions. It was an honor to get tickets to a game. Now, people can't give them away. I've met more people who have given up their tickets than I can ever remember. And the waiting list? YOu can get online and buy season tickets on the Skins website RIGHT NOW!

I have been a fan since the early '70's. I started as a fan of the Deadskins. Went through Joe Gibbs 1.0. Suffered through the Norv years. ANd now have to watch as the cancer to the team that is Mighty Midget Danny "Boy" Snyder is destroying my beloved franchise and Joe Gibbs.

I urge everyone to stop buying merchandise!

Posted by: Lee | September 24, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Take away my uncles balls and he's my aunt.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

And, we think we have problems. Things could be much worse:


http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

POSTED 10:02 p.m. EDT, September 23, 2007

HALL BEAT UP IN FALCONS LOCKER ROOM?

There are uncorroborated rumors making the rounds that Falcons cornerback DeAngelo Hall was beat up, presumably by one or more teammates, following a Falcons loss that was fueled in part by Hall's inability to control his emotions.

After being flagged for a total of 37 yards on a second-half drive that the Panthers used to tie the game, Hall got into a sideline confrontation with coach Bobby Petrino.
We don't know for sure whether Hall was indeed roughed up or otherwise accosted by teammates after the game, but it wouldn't surprise us to find out that the rumor is true. Hall is a brash and outspoken member of the organization, and his Virginia Tech ties to Mike Vick probably have prompted some in the locker room to view him differently in the wake of Vick's legal troubles. Today's actions would have potentially been enough to get a frustrated Falcon to convert hostile feelings toward Hall into action.

Posted by: JustMe | September 24, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm taking a bye week from this team.

They teased me at 2-0.

But they are who we thought they are. (Dennis Green Voice)

An 8-8 team that might sneak into the playoffs. So, in a way, I thank the Skins for blowing this game and forcing me back to reality.

Much like last year, they are two players away from contending: a big, possession WR (can you say, "Limas Sweed"?) and a DE/LB that can create heat off the edge.

Posted by: CMoney | September 24, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

This blog is dead. No wonder it smells so bad.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

"It's now abundantly clear the Redskins will not be challenging for a playoff spot. ..."

Posted by: Anon | September 24, 2007 03:07 PM

The giveaway of an argument where the advocate knows he/she doesn't have anything persuasive to say is the use of superlative adjectives, e.g., obviously, never, always, "abundantly clear," etc.

What is it with all the newbies just puking all over themselves on the site today? Jasno bashing? Now there's a new one. Sky is falling on the Skins? Never heard that one either. Is the guide to generic flame codes available on the wiki?

Peeps b!tch about the blog not talking about football, but it seems like the major interest in talking about football today is (1) Skins have a history of bad decision-making or (2) the team is doomed for the rest of the season based on the game yesterday.

Do we just wait this out a few days while the As of ITA fritter away/disappear/finish up their detentions in the library?

Posted by: dcsween | September 24, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Wish someone would beat up Gibbs in the locker room for being an overpaid figurehead coach.

Posted by: Somebody Beat Up Gibbs | September 24, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

yes dcsween. they will round them up and put them back on the short bus soon. it's temporary, and then the regs will be back.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Either its a teacher work day for Texas schools or the unemployed cowboys fans are swamping internet access at the public library...

where's the "who farted, this blog stinks" guy when you need him. Jasno... still reading every comment? Cindy?
-Dorf

I guess I'm gay, but that was freakin hilarious enough to paste.

Teacher work day...

I like to blog when my kids are taking a test. I've also been telling them to cut the jibba jabba.

Posted by: Larry Bud | September 24, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

If we wait a few days, the only one left here will be Fake Nate, talking to himself as usual. But that's what he is best at anyway, so no matter.

Otherwise, I predict it is going to get very quiet here, very quickly.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

youre not going to get 300 yards passing when you only pass the ball 0 to 15 yards down field...

our d gets killed when other teams pass deep (even though often incomplete), pass 15-30 yards down field (this is where they are most successful against us),0-15 yards oh and then run the ball cause were all stretched out and dont have a clue whats next...

our problem is we still run the dink and dunk crap we ran with brunell...our game is 15 yards down field and in...

Posted by: deadskin | September 24, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

sween,

Calm down, friend. What's up with the wiki-hate?

I've always known you to be a temperate sort. In fact you tutored me in the art of ITA-ing many a moon ago.

This seems to me to pretty standard Monday morning "H-backing" as Jasno would put it.

All the real analysis happened on the last thread and now some fools are just here to rant and complain or instigate.

So now, teacher become student, breathe deep and ITA, grasshopper.

Where's Haiku man when we need him?

Posted by: Larry BUd | September 24, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Wow, typically harsh comments from JLC and the fans. Reading JLC's posts has become tedious. It's more about proving how right JLC is (and how dumb Gibbs and Snyder are) rather than anything else. Does JLC really believe we should just run the ball up the middle every single play, regardless of whether its working? Against a team that's strong against the run but weak against the pass? Seems like a recipe for disaster.

Regardless of JLC's rants, I think we need to be realistic both about the loss and the prior wins. The win against Philly was impressive. I don't buy that we just caught them on an off day. The win against Miami was less impressive. We probably got a little lucky.

The loss yesterday was depressing and predictable, but it's not the end of the world. The Giants were not as bad as everyone thought, and we're not as good as some people thought. We (typically) made terrible second half adjustments; the Giants made terrific adjustments and rattled Campbell; the play calling on the last drive was poor. But we probably also just got a little unlucky. The Giants guessed right, we guessed wrong on the goal line plays. If Portis doesn't fumble earlier, maybe it's a different game. Everything that could go wrong in the 2nd half did.

Campbell is improving but needs more work. But does anyone really want to see Brunell or some other retread flail around for a few years before moving on to the next retread? Campbell is the only option that offers hope for the future. And unlike Brunell, he's fun to watch. I think it's a little early to write him off as a Jay Schroeder. And frankly, Schroeder was better than almost anything that came after him. You could definitely do worse.

The defense is improved but still flawed. Anyone who believes they are the same defense as last year wasn't watching last year.

The coaching continues to be a mixed bag. Unlike JLC, I believe Gibbs is too conservative. The elite teams in the NFL generally do not play the smashmouth football that JLC loves. I don't want the Redskins to be JLC's Ravens, one of the most perenially overrated franchises in the NFL. They have to find a way to take advantage of Campbell's skills, and running it up the middle every play doesn't really do that. Opening up the play calling also improves the running game.

If someone had told me before the season started that we would start 2-1, I would have said that I could live with that. Prior to the season, I think most people around the league (except for JLC's sources) believed the Redskins were probably a year away. I think that's still the case. Nonetheless, we'll see what happens against the Lions. This team could go 6-10, or it could go 10-6. Gibbs has his flaws this time around, but I think he can rally these guys. I haven't written the season off yet.

Posted by: LA Redskin Fan | September 24, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

M.E.G. - granted, you need to be able to run and pass to win. but they ran the ball 7 times in the second half. Once by Moss, and twice by Betts at the end of the game. that means that in a game, at home, in which they had the lead until the last 5 minutes Betts/Portis carried the ball 4 times in the second half. that is insane. there is a reason that they lose double-digit leads over and over again. they lengthen the game and make it easier for the other team to come back. even if you go three and out, if you do it with two runs and a pass, you take a few minutes off the clock, wear out the opposing defense, and give your defense a minute to catch its breath. the D was on the field for the entire second half, and you can't win that way. that's all we're saying.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Lee and disgusted, don't just stop at not buying merchandise. Stop watching the team, stop following the team in EVERY manner possible. Don't post, don't watch, don't do ANYTHING that has to do with the Redskins.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | September 24, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone remember during the Norv years when the Skins started 7-0? That was the worst 7-0 team ever. They finished the season 8-8 (Norv did not get fired). THe fact that they are 2-1 means nothing. The 2 wins were VERY weak. They barely got by a horrible Miami team, and almost gave it up to the Eagles. They were good in the first half in Philly, just like yesterday, and made no adjustments in the 2nd have.

Unfortunately, the hallmark of JG 2.0 has been the inability to produce in the 3rd quarter. (It would be intersting to see the stats the past 3 years). During JG 1.0, halftime adjustments were Joe's forte.

Posted by: Lee | September 24, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Take away my uncles balls and he's my aunt.

Posted by: | September 24, 2007 03:18 PM

Be sure to use those balls for yourself. Maybe that will give you the courage you need to post your name.

Posted by: Walt from Bethesda | September 24, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of halftime adjustments, is that possibly part of the problem? I think maybe we are adjusting the game plan when we really don't need to.

I think one of the points Jasno was making was that we moved away from a gameplan that was working. We were running the ball against them fairly well.

I said it before, I think there is a schizoid issue with the coaches. Someone needs to decide who's calling the plays and what type of team we're going to be.

We can run the ball even on the right side with Fabini because he may not be great but he can slobber-knock. You should run the ball with a 14 point lead and pass some to keep the linebackers out of the box. but to have run a total of 6 times in the 2nd half, with 2 of those six coming on the last 2 plays is just silly.

Posted by: Larry Bud | September 24, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone here have to suffer through missing the Ravens/Cards game and the early part of the Redskins game because Comcast Cable sucks? Direct TV here I come!

Posted by: Comcast Cable Sucks | September 24, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Why stop watching? I bleed burgandy and gold! That is why I'm so upset! It's why most fans are so upset!

Plus, as a married man, I'm a glutton for punishment!

Posted by: Greg | September 24, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

That wasn't greg that posted. That was me. sorry

Posted by: Lee | September 24, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

THe fact that they are 2-1 means nothing.

Brilliant. Simply Brilliant.

Again, I have to ask, if the team causes you so much angst, and disgusts you so much, why bother following them? Sorry to keep harping on this, but it just seems so simple to me. Why keep doing something that you hate?

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | September 24, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I enjoy JLC's analysis, and IMO this blog is the best thing about the Post's coverage of the Redskins.

Regarding this question:
"I find it funny that after the Eagles game on Monday night there was no Tuesday recap of the game on this blog, simply the names of some O-Lineman they were bringing in to replace Thomas. Maybe b/c JLC picked the Eagles to win."

Here's a theory - maybe because at the time of the Philly game there was only one WP beat writer covering the Skins but now because there is a second reporter on the beat, JLC had more time today to recap the Giant's game.

Posted by: fredbear | September 24, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Blog out of control
Schools on holiday, perhaps?
Need cunning linguists

Posted by: props to HaikuMan | September 24, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

At least we now know where the word "gibberish" comes from.

Posted by: harris peel | September 24, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Greg, I assume you live in Boston. Riddle me this: why did fans keep cheering for the Red sox for 86 years? Did they not complain when they lost? even to the Yanks?

"Fan" is short for "Fanatic." A true fan should be upset!

Posted by: Lee | September 24, 2007 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I love the word "angst". And "Welzschmerz". And "scahdenfruede". And "zeitgeist".

Criticisms sound so much better in German

Posted by: Larry Bud | September 24, 2007 3:41 PM | Report abuse

That wasn't greg that posted. That was me. sorry

Posted by: Lee | September 24, 2007 03:38 PM

I think we have found Fake Nate.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Naah, just don't pay attention sometimes. I'll claim every post i make.

Posted by: Lee | September 24, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure I spelled all of those words wrong, by the way.

Posted by: Larry Bud | September 24, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Ryan O'Halloran, beat writer for The Other Paper, reports that Al Saunders was asked why Portis was not in the game at the end. His response: "I have no idea."

Posted by: Wes Mantooth | September 24, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins looked like they drank warm milk and ate cookies at halftime.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 24, 2007 12:00 PM

from the last post. that is short sweet and to the point. where are you 4-12?

Posted by: props to 4-12 | September 24, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

sween is sort of like my blog-mentor. Hope I didn't piss him off with the sarcasm.

You still out there, sween?

Posted by: Larry Bud | September 24, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I think we have found Fake Nate.

Posted by: | September 24, 2007 03:42 PM

Yes, by golly - there you are! How's the basement? You didn't answer earlier, shti-for-brains.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

The Danny - I heard from a reliable source that her REQUIRES everyone to call him Mr. Snyder. If this is true, what hubris and arrogance. Like any troubleshooter, find the root cause and eliminate it to make progress. The root cause here is the management team.

To Danny - stay away from Redskin operations, let Joe run the team with no one looking over his shoulder second guessing him, and maybe, just maybe, we will return to our glory days. But keep meddling like you have been rumored to, and nothing will change - ever.

Posted by: Arrogance in The Danny | September 24, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Snyder has that whole Napolean thing going on. Lots of short guys have that problem. It gets much worse when they stumble into money.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Lee, I'm a Red Sox fan, have been my whole life. Would still be, even if 2004 never happened. Would buy Red Sox stuff even. Just like I'm a Redskins fan, even when they LOSE.

So riddle me this, you said that being 2-1 means nothing? What would happen if we were 1-2, or even 0-3?

Try being rational. The Redskins lost a game. Nothing more. Everything that they've done DOES NOT need to be called into question just because they lost ONE GAME. The sky is not falling. The fact that they won two games does not need to be questioned.

They're 2-1. Try taking a deep breath.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | September 24, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Wes,

Bram posted that on his blog this morning:
http://coveringtheredskins.blogspot.com/

How can Saunders call the proper plays if he doesn't even know what personnel will be on the field?

Posted by: JustMe | September 24, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Arrogance,

And then, after we usurp the Danny in a fan-coup, we can install St. Joe as permanent savior and grant him eternal life so we can go on and rule the universe while riding our unicorns over rainbows...

Sorry for the sarcasm, but of all the scapegoats, the Danny, while repugnant, didn't cause this loss. I like that you slipped up and called him "her". Good stuff Dr. Frued.

Posted by: Larry Bud | September 24, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Yes, by golly - there you are! How's the basement? You didn't answer earlier, shti-for-brains.

Posted by: | September 24, 2007 03:47 PM

ITA - if you have to ask who the a$$clowns are, then you are one of them.

Posted by: BillyBob | September 24, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

i dont know why you guys are so harsh on jasno...this is a blog...this is where he posts his opinions...this is where we all post our opinions...agree or disagree...but dont blast the guy...none of us are as football smart as any of the coaches or any of the players...but the fact that he gets the inside gossip and is at the park makes him more football savvy than any of you dingleberries that simply watch games and think you know everything...i totally dig his perspective...dont always agree with it...but appreciate it...dont take this loss out on him...

Posted by: deadskin | September 24, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

LB, its all about "Silent Reading"... its totally legit in a reading class. Golden.

Posted by: Dorf | September 24, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Please forgive me; I don't know much about the Red Socks ownership. If the Redskins were losing, and we did not have the recent history of Danny acting the way he has, I would not be complaining. I would be happy to be 2-1. I just feel like it is a weak 2-1. I felt after the first two games and everyone was screaming about how great it was, that people were jumping to conclusions. I keep waiting for them to break out, and it hasn't happened.

I will always love this franchise. I loved them before the 3 Super Bowls, and I will love them if they never win another. I hate what Danny has done to my beloved team. And all he understands is money. So that's why I'm boycotting.

Now, if get tickets to games, I go, I scream, and i stay to the last minute, win or lose. I even spend 8 bucks on a beer.

Posted by: Greg | September 24, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Dorf, yeah we call it "literacy block".

Posted by: Larry Bud | September 24, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Crawl back into your hole, BillyBob. You don't have a clue.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

oh and one more thing...jlc may spin his opionion to make it sound like he is all knowing and has it all figured out...but so does everyone else on the blog...

Posted by: deadskin | September 24, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

There you have it, then. Why keep Saunders around then? He is clearly not in control of a single GD thing here.

Posted by: Wes Mantooth | September 24, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully this will be a lesson well learned that there are two halves of football. We did not come out to play in the second half. Where is the killer instinct?

Why did we not run a bootleg at the goal line? It works everytime. They were ready for the straight ahead running and stopped it.

I see good things for this team if they fight for the entire game.

Posted by: candy | September 24, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I did it again! That wasn't greg posting, it was me.

I will figure this out....

Posted by: Lee | September 24, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

There's no love lost for the Danny up here. It's just that the time to give him the business is in the off-season when he has a chance to dump Vinny or not hire Saunders after a great offensive year or not splash the pot in free agency and then buggers himself and us in the process.

Excuse time for the players and coaches is over. You play with the guys you have. I think the Skins have enough talent to be a better team than they are and a good part of the blame for that goes to St. Joe.

I love this team and St. Joe, but it is what it is.

Posted by: Larry Bud | September 24, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Outstanding post Jasno!

We SHOULD be talking about things like how portis knocked Pierce on his can during a blitz pick up... instead...

Arghhhhh.

Posted by: Redskinrex | September 24, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Yes, by golly - there you are! How's the basement? You didn't answer earlier, shti-for-brains.

Posted by: | September 24, 2007 03:47 PM

ITA - if you have to ask who the a$$clowns are, then you are one of them.

Posted by: BillyBob | September 24, 2007 03:54 PM

In the spirit of a new OJ trial...

If with you no one will chat, you are one of the a$$hats.

Posted by: ghost of Johnnie Cochran | September 24, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I retract my previous comments and remake them to Lee.

Sorry, Greg. I should had knowed better

Posted by: Larry Bud | September 24, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

i'm going to keep repeating my thing: Al Saunders SUCKS and must go. he is soooooooooooooooooo wrong about so many things. from day 1. and most importantly he is soooooooooo wrong for this team.

how do you keep your best offensive player on the sidelines? HOW? HOW? HOW? HOW?

Gibbs ought to fire the dude and take over. this team desperately needs an identity on the offense!

Posted by: dealer | September 24, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

oh and btw...whoever said they were ditching comcast and getting directv...

the sunday ticket is the bomb...go with the superfan package!!! once you try that...youll never go back!!!!!

Posted by: deadskin | September 24, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

If with you no one will chat, you are one of the a$$hats.

Posted by: ghost of Johnnie Cochran | September 24, 2007 04:04 PM


Classic

Posted by: BillyBob | September 24, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Larry Bud,

You're right. And I don;t disagree with most of what people say. But the blog is not as active during the offseason. ANd now is when the merchandise is really flying off the shelf. The fans have a right for a positive return on the their investment in emotion and cash.

I do laugh at the people who are already calling for Joe Gibbs head and talking about his successor. Unfortunately, if that were to happen, Danny would go for another high profile signing.

Posted by: Lee | September 24, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Dealer,

From the things I've read, my impression is that the calls at the end of the game were by Gibbs, including having Betts on the field.

I don't disagree that Saunders is not a good fit, but maybe Coach Joe has lost it as well.

Posted by: Mike M. | September 24, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I said it last week, and I'll say it again right now. Nobody in the nfl is as good as they were last week, and nobody is as bad as they were last week. Parity reigns supreme in the nfl. Anybody can beat anybody on any given sunday. We all knew the skins had issues, and 2 wins to start were great, but increased all of our expectations beyond what they should have been.
Before the miami game how many of us would have been stoked with a 2 and 1 start. I know I would have been. Still in too much pain from yesterday to be happy with it today, but this loss will hopefully eliminate some of the complacency that was shown in the second half.

Posted by: nah | September 24, 2007 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I've never had to tread through so many BS posts before. Did Cindy put us up to another post challenge again or something?

Posted by: bigfish | September 24, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs has a long history of sitting a back after a big fumble as long as there is another back of any quality available.

Posted by: Redskinrex | September 24, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

What Nah is saying is:

THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE....and we let them off the hook!!!!

Posted by: Lemme sum it up for ya nah | September 24, 2007 4:16 PM | Report abuse

"... oh and one more thing...jlc may spin his opionion to make it sound like he is all knowing and has it all figured out...but so does everyone else on the blog... "

Posted by: deadskin | September 24, 2007 04:01 PM

deadskin, I know the sentiment. I friend of mine has a saying: "People who think they know-it-all are annoying to those of us who do."

Larry Bud, not a wiki-hater, but there was a post a while ago that had this code/grid for generic blog comments. You could post something like "17A" and save people the time of reading a redundant comment. I'll try to find the grid.

Posted by: dcsween | September 24, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Saunders needs to get his arse out of the booth and onto the field.

I hate it when coordinators are up in the booth and then can't understand what happened on the field. This is not a video game. The coaches need to be on the field, with the players, feeling the flow of the game. Up in the booth he is completely out of touch with the game on the field and it shows (calling reverses; not knowing why Portis isn't in there). If he were on the field he could turn to his left and say "Portis, get the f--- out there."

Posted by: CMoney | September 24, 2007 4:22 PM | Report abuse

mike, coach joe is just old. i really wished he had hired someone younger or even promoted the QB coach, that left before last year. you can't expect a 68 year old man to think that fast. even so if this team had an identity they could say we lost trying what we do best. smashmouth NOT friggin end arounds!

yesterday there was no place for being fancy. but weird al found a way to get his shty pages of his playbook in there.

i wonder if gibbs ever says "WHA????"...

i was going back and forth with the game(kids) but i can't believe they called 7 passes in a row. WTF!

Posted by: dealer | September 24, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

My two cents. Gibbs will always be a coach I respect for his class and character; for those attributes, he is up there with Coach Wooden. Having said that, he should go back to Nascar after this year. I love Gibbs and Buges, but it's time to move on. To have Portis on the sideline at the end is unexcuseable. The game revealed that this team will be entertaining at times, frustrating at others. I wouldn't be surprised to watch us knock off the Pats and then lose to the Jets or Cards. Our "irrational exuberance" is over. Al Saunders football ain't Redskins football, and it's never going to be.

If Snyder can afford to pay crazy money to Gibbs, Saunders, Grilliams, and the rest, what would a really good GM (such as Scott Pioli) be worth to us? $7 million a year? I think so. I agree we need a young assistant with a fire in their belly (Grimm) and not another star looking to pad their retirement account (Cowher). We've got some good pieces: ARE plays his heart out, and I still believe in Campbell. But it's time to clean house. Unfortunately, I don't know if Snyder is capable of doing the grunt work that is necessary right now.

Like a lot of people on this blog, it's silly to say "I can't watch this team anymore." I grew up in the area during the eighties. I don't have a choice: I love Redskin football and always will. But for a decade we've been under a cloud, and it looks like it'll remain that way until some tough, ugly decisions are made. Snyder cut his losses with Spurrier; hopefully he can do the same at the end of the year. Just had to get that off my chest.

Posted by: Pete in Atlanta | September 24, 2007 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I have to respectfully disagree with Jasno.

I agree that, in order to be successful, we have to run around 40 times a game and this should be split up amongst the backs.

However, in order for that to occur, we have to actually be able to run the ball successfully and, right now, the Gints have demonstrated how to stop that. Remember -- 40% of the line (the right side) is gone and we are starting backups, and another 20% (left guard) is new, so that is a full 60% of the line that now has issues. And not only on run blocking but also on pass protection (which is not good for a young QB). And communication is a big problem currently because these guys are not used to playing with each other and they are going to have to get used to that on the fly.

Also, Moss has to figure out how to catch a short pass (he's got the long ones down pat), SOMEONE has to raise a hand and claim the 3rd wide receiver spot (and it isn't Thrash), and there has to be some way of getting Cooley more involved without taking the risk of the QB getting killed.

The braintrust has 2 weeks to figure this out. If they do and the offense can stay on the field, move the ball, and allow the defense some rest, we should be OK and can challenge for the playoffs. If not, does 5-11 sound familiar?

Posted by: Gaithersburg Skin | September 24, 2007 4:31 PM | Report abuse

And by the way, Jasno deserves a lot of credit for doing this blog. It's a tough beat when you have to write harsh things about people and then face them later. I'd suggest laying off him. He's no more or less pessimistic than anyone else on this blog.

Posted by: Pete in Atlanta | September 24, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I posted this right at the end of the last thread, but my timing is about is good as wierd al's play calling, and this sums up my thoughts thru week 3, so here it is again:

I said it last week, and I'll say it again right now. Nobody in the nfl is as good as they were last week, and nobody is as bad as they were last week. Parity reigns supreme in the nfl. Anybody can beat anybody on any given sunday. We all knew the skins had issues, and 2 wins to start were great, but increased all of our expectations beyond what they should have been.
Before the miami game how many of us would have been stoked with a 2 and 1 start. I know I would have been. Still in too much pain from yesterday to be happy with it today, but this loss will hopefully eliminate some of the complacency that was shown in the second half.

Posted by: nah | September 24, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

this is a better team than years past...they get themselves in the same situations but they fight harder and have more heart. it will pay off.

Posted by: big willy | September 24, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Count me in as returning to earth in regards to this team. I was at Fed Ex when we barely beat Miami (a poor team). I watched us steal a win in Philly and thought - " If they can beat the giants, who are without their starting RB, their starting QB has problems in his throwing shoulder and their best WR has a bum ankle, then they will be 3-0, 2-0 at home, 2-0 in the conference and most importantly 2-0 in the division. This could be a VERY important start for this new team that is trying to shed its losing ways."

Then when we got up 17-3, and dominated them on both sides of the ball, I dared to think that we had learned our lessons and my caution about this team wasn't justified. I quickly thought about the fact that it looked like a return to Gibbs 1.0 that I watched in H.S and college where we buried bad teams and if we didn't blow them out we darned well won by making sure that THEY knew that they had no chance of winning.

Alas - the second half convened and I was quickly brought back to the reality that Norv Turner and The Danny has heaped upon our once-proud team. Somewhere along the way they made a bad deal with the NFL equivalent of the Devil and we're paying the price.

I'm a Redskins' fan through and through. I am elated when we win and pissed when we lose. I am always cautious either way as I realize the "any given sunday" mantra. But even though I always root for my team, I'm not a "homer" either. Lets face facts and view this team as an uninterested observer (much the same as you'd view any other NFL team). We simply have ZERO chance of beating the Pats and Packers. We might escape with our usual split with Dallas (but given their play the past 3 games I doubt it). We then have to play the Giants at NY (always a rough place to play for the 2nd game). With "double move" in one CB spot, we will have a tough time with Detroit (hello Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson) and Arizona (Boldin/Fitzgerald) and somehow the Jets will manage to walk over us. In short we will be lucky to be 5-5 by mid-late November. From there only the Bills and Bucs and Vikings look like they could be won. And of those I expect us to lose at least 1 of them due to poor clock management or poor play calling (or just the vagueries of having a young QB).

About where I expected us to be before the season.

Thank you Redskins for yesterdays game and my return to reality. While I will continue to root for the Redskins I too will not buy anymore merchandise than I'm already committed to buying (i.e. - I already have tickets for this year). I will root for them every game, but, like a jilted lover, I will no longer believe their "promises of fidelity" until I can see tangible proof of that. Mere flashes and glimpses of what "could be" will not cut it for me any longer. I want to see the results, not the coulda woulda shoulda. Before I get flamed, I will reiterate I'm rooting for the Redskins each week and will never root against them. That being said, I will not be surprised if they finish 7-9 this year. 9-7 or better WOULD be a surprise. They are who they are. A mediocre team. They are MY mediocre team...but they are still what they are.

Posted by: Thaiphoon | September 24, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

BTW- running games tend to open up after awhile (a series of 1 and 2 yard gains - maybe a 3 and out - and then BAM a 20 yard run to demoralize the opposing defense). Especially if you keep at it. How many runs did we have in the 3rd quarter when we were up by 14 points? I was at the game and (now I wish I had TiVo'ed it) don't remember us running the ball like we should've and like we did against Miami late in that 1rst game. Yes the 40+ rushes happen as you're winiing in the 4th quarter. But when you drop back to pass on almost every down in the 3rd and thereby cause the defense to not respect the play action then don't expect to pass for much either. I'm all for opening up the playbook and letting our young JC throw it. But lets also acknowledge that play action passes are KILLERS only after you've run so much the defense is tired and the safeties are cheating up to try to help out the front 7. Either Gibbs needs to stop calling ANY plays...or Saunders needs to leave. I don't think there is any anomisoty between them. Its just incredibly insane that we have that many hands in the "play calling pot".

Posted by: Thaiphoon | September 24, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Oh - and the person talking about season tickets being less in-demand now than before is right. I remember a time when people would change their entire weekend plans for a chance to actually go to the game.

Yesterday I had an extra ticket because my brother was going to be delayed getting back from his business trip from out of the country. I offered the ticket to coworkers, friends, family. I must've asked at least 10 people before someone agreed to go. Now it could be they just don't like me (HEHE - I'll concede that point!!). But in the past that wouldn't happen. The tix are just less-valuable than they once were in terms of the "it" thing to have in Washington.

Posted by: Thaiphoon | September 24, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Let's not overreact to one bad loss. It was just one game, which they should have won but let it get away. Yes, they should have beaten the Giants, but they also beat Eagles at Philadelphia, which most penciled as a loss for the Redskins. Giants and Eagles have worse records and one of them will be 1-3 after the next week. It's a long season and time will tell how good or bad we are. This team could finish 11-5, but could also go 5-11.

Posted by: M | September 24, 2007 5:35 PM | Report abuse

This team will continue to be cursed until it changes its ridiculous name.

Posted by: Geronimo | September 24, 2007 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Was it last week on MNF? They were saying that in 2006 the Skins gave up more 11+ point leads than any team in the modern era.

Knowing that, it would be nice to hear someone on the coaching staff come out and say it how it is.

A disgrace.

Posted by: kost52 | September 24, 2007 6:10 PM | Report abuse

did you guys miss the beep beep?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me? How was it we put up 17 pts, oh yeah by PASSING the ball. Gibbs went back to his conservative approach to protect the lead and it backfired, of course Portis didn't help any either.

1st Down - Run pick up 1 yd
2nd Down - Run pick up 2 yd
3rd Down - Inc Pass
4th Down - Punt

Every single series went this way and it was terribly predictable.

Posted by: Dan | September 24, 2007 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Hey JLC,

You can't get more carries for Betts and Portis when you go 3-and-Out, 3-and-out, 3-and-Out, 3-and-Out, and 3-and-Out to start second half!!!

They didn't have a first down in 2nd Half until 4:20 left in 4th quarter!!

Where are all these extra plays going to come from??

The running game wasn't working in the second half because we weren't passing enough...you have to keep the D honest.


Posted by: Mike C | September 24, 2007 7:00 PM | Report abuse

When all is said and done lets be thankful and happy were 2-1, we wouldn't be complaining about this in the preseason!

Posted by: Mike C | September 24, 2007 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Thaiphoon - very insightful post. It has been rough sledding to fend off the lunatics who are splashing around the KoolAid.

Posted by: DisgruntledFan | September 24, 2007 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Brian W. nailed it - the rot starts at the top and sets the tone. The best organizations operate with business acumen but with class. When the Eagles released Trotter, their press release was full of accolades for his accomplishments. Why do you think Pierce gets so jacked up to play the Skins ? Why does LaVar - designated "Mr. Redskin" by the owner himself - have a bad taste in his mouth ? Why did Brad Johnson leave feeling unappreciated ? Coles wanted out so bad he watched the games on a plasma shipped by the owner. Last season's starting safety opposite Taylor fled to Pittsburgh - he just wanted a fair deal and was derided. Mike Nolan fed his kids the ice cream the owner left on his desk to signal that the defense was too vanilla from the owner's encyclopedic knowledge of football and experience. The list goes on and on. These egos are writing checks they can't cash. The owner and coaches alienate staff and players. The defensive coaches in particular thrive on eviscerating players and believe that because of their Mensa schemes that any player is replacable. There is no trust - listen to LaVar's comments about how he expects the Skins to treat Samuels and CP. The organization is rotting from the head down. Contrast this with how the Eagles, NE and Colts operate. They may make tough football decisions but treat the players with respect and get a maximum team effort that stresses placing ego aside. Until the crud that has infected all parts of the organization is cleaned up, starting with the owner, there will never be positive change. Basic tenets of leadership. Ironic that Gibbs has made a tremendous fortune giving motivational speeches but is driving a train wreck of a team.

Posted by: DisgustedFan | September 24, 2007 7:38 PM | Report abuse

JLF - it is fine to have an opinion, but you need to stop stating it like FACT. I expect thoughful analysis, not reactionary whining.

It is easy to blame the coaches, but if Portis catches the pass in the 3rd q or if the line could open up a hole or if Campbell and Moss are on the same page for those two misses, than the offensive story might have been different.

Posted by: Cabraman | September 24, 2007 8:09 PM | Report abuse

JLC - it is fine to have an opinion, but you need to stop stating it like FACT. I expect thoughful analysis, not reactionary whining.

It is easy to blame the coaches, but if Portis catches the pass in the 3rd q or if the line could open up a hole or if Campbell and Moss are on the same page for those two misses, than the offensive story might have been different.

Posted by: Cabraman | September 24, 2007 8:09 PM | Report abuse

JLF - it is fine to have an opinion, but you need to stop stating it like FACT. I expect thoughful analysis, not reactionary whining.

It is easy to blame the coaches, but if Portis catches the pass in the 3rd q or if the line could open up a hole or if Campbell and Moss are on the same page for those two misses, than the offensive story might have been different.

Posted by: Cabraman | September 24, 2007 8:09 PM | Report abuse

I like how people are implying that Philly just got caught on a bad day...........but the Redskins are fatally flawed. In the days of parity, anyone can be beaten each week. Let's see how the skins rebound.

Posted by: Ace Legend | September 25, 2007 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I love Jason for doing this blog but this "analysis" I find to be almost useless. He sounds like a bitter fan. Yes, we do not run the two-minute drill well. Everyone knows it. Yes, we would liked to have controlled the clock in the second half but that was in significant part because none of the plays were working.

How about this great suggestion Jason makes:

"Run Portis behind Samuels/Kendall 3 times and see what happens."

We tried that. It is called the 2004 season and the results were brutal. Good offenses in the 21 Century keep teams off-balance with a mix of pass and run.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | September 25, 2007 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Jason's commentary on Caldwell and Lloyd is also bizarre. Does he think the Skins are spiting Lloyd or Caldwell or both?

How about the simplest answer. The Skins made a mistake trading for Lloyd and a mistake paying him. Right now they think he gives them a chance for some production slightly ahead of Caldwell. Out of the bye, we might see Caldwell with Lloyd inactive.

Is any of this complicated?

Posted by: JamesTuthill | September 25, 2007 10:03 AM | Report abuse

It's amazing how a bad loss has so called "fans" changing with the wind. Who cares what LaVar Arrington has to say. We know his story. Lord knows this organization has made mistakes, but if players block better, catch the damn ball and run, we'd be 3-0. Coaches need to coach and be on the same page. Joe Gibbs lies when he says Al Saunders is calling the plays. I think the bicker in the red zone...it's obvious to me, but despite that, this team has the potential to be good. Stop blaming the FO for every damn thing!!!

Posted by: sicwidit | September 25, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

For all the KoolAid Brigade:

Comcast Drops the Ball in Snyder Interview

By Leonard Shapiro
Special to washingtonpost.com
Tuesday, September 25, 2007; 10:58 AM

To understand why broadcasting companies should avoid allowing themselves to become the official station/network of the Washington Redskins or any other professional sports organization; we bring you this past Sunday night's "exclusive" interview with Redskins team owner Daniel Snyder on Comcast SportsNet.

CSN, of course, is the official cable partner of the Redskins in the Washington market, but instead of having one of its own more-than-capable sportscasters -- versatile anchor Chick Hernandez, or bulldog Redskins beat reporter Kelli Johnson, among others -- conduct the rare interview of the media-reclusive Snyder, former Channel 4 sports director George Michael was brought in to handle the assignment on a freelance basis.

That was a mistake on many levels, in my humble opinion. As much as I've always praised Michael for producing the best and most comprehensive sportscast on the air for so many years until his recent retirement. But he also happens to be one of Snyder's "guys" and hardly the proper choice to interview another guy who rarely in recent years has subjected himself to some tough one-on-one questioning by members of the local or national media.

Michael has always had more access to the owner than virtually any media person in the local market, going back to the days when Channel 4 also had an "official" relationship with the Redskins. He's been a guest in the owner's box on game days, and Snyder clearly considers him a friend, at least according to Redskins public relations man Karl Swanson.

I specifically recall a telling scene related in a Washington Post Magazine story in 2002 when Snyder was sitting with Michael over breakfast one morning during training camp in Carlisle, Pa. Peter Perl, now an assistant managing editor at The Post, was the writer of that revealing profile, and at one point, Michael turned to Perl and said of Snyder, "this is a good man. He's a good man. I'll tear you apart if you trash him (in the ensuing magazine article.)"

Conversations this week with several people in the local sports broadcasting business evoked the same initial reaction I had to CSN's choice of Michael. We all were certain that the owner surely must have hand-picked him to do the interview, knowing full well that his buddy probably wouldn't ask him the really tough questions the owner has been ducking for years.

"I guarantee you it was no George, no interview," one veteran broadcaster said.

But Swanson, Snyder's personal gatekeeper at Redskins Park, insisted that was not the case.

"We had no input into who did the interview," Swanson said. "Comcast asked if they could do the interview. In the past, (Snyder) has done interviews with our partners. It's part of the partnership."

In an interview Tuesday, CSN General Manager Rebecca Schulte said it was her choice, and hers alone, to ask Michael to handle the assignment. She said she had actually approached Michael this past summer about possibly doing some future feature or interview work for the cable network, and that he seemed amenable.

"He said 'I might be interested,' and that when we got a big interview to let him know," Schulte said. "Dan was interested in doing the interview with us. I thought he'd be comfortable with George, and when I told the Redskins about it, they thought it was a great idea. I was the one to say I wanted George to do this interview, not them.

"And this was not just aired in the Mid-Atlantic. It was available to all our networks, New York, Philadelphia. We picked a national talent. From a national perspective, it made sense to have (Michael) do it. I thought George would get the most out of Dan. And I thought he did a good job on it."

With all due respect, I disagree.

During the interview, broadcast about 45 minutes into the post-game show, Michael began by asking Snyder that if he'd known from Day One what owning the Redskins would do to his private life, would he still have bought the team? And then Michael kept up the touchy, feely stuff throughout the session, as if the young mogul had somehow suffered terrible indignities during his spotty stewardship of Washington's favorite sports franchise.

Did Snyder know how hard it would be to win in the NFL? Did he know it would be so trying? Had he been humbled by last year's 5-11 season? Snyder responded exactly the way you might expect -- that last season was "real disappointing," that he's excited about the future and that his ownership of the team is "all about winning" and blah, blah, blah.

To his credit, Michael did ask Snyder why his relations with the media were so strained, and all of a sudden, the owner became an expert on the declining circulation of newspapers. Better he should focus on why more people aren't flocking to Six Flags and its tumbling stock price since he bought the chain of amusement parks.

"They need controversy to sell ... negative," the owner said of the print media. "It becomes a feeding frenzy."

When Michael asked him about the Redskins trying to control their message with their own web site, their own in-house broadcasting unit, their own radio network, Snyder said, "it's not so much controlling the message... We give (fans) unfiltered (information) ... It's not filtered by a 26-year-old reporter who doesn't have a clue."

At that point, a more objective inquisitor surely would have followed up with some hardball questions. Personally, I might have pointed out that there are hardly any 26-year-old reporters covering his team at Redskins Park, with most of the press corps veterans on the beat, including some who were around when Joe Gibbs came through the first time around.

I also might have reminded Snyder that he essentially has put the future of his own billion dollar franchise in the hands of an inexperienced young quarterback, Jason Campbell, who won't even turn 26 until Dec. 31? So it's okay to be the starting quarterback of the Washington Redskins at age 25, but not to cover the team at age 26?

Michael did ask Snyder about his unwillingness to hire a real live general manager, and there was another answer that begged for a skeptical follow-up.

"If you look at Joe Gibbs (NASCAR) racing team, there's no GM," Snyder said. "There's no reason to have a general manager with less experience (than Gibbs) to tell him how not to do it."

At that point, Michael again should have jumped all over Snyder with a tough question, as in "do you honestly believe that running a NASCAR operation was in any way, shape or form related to putting together a winning football team?"

Michael also might have asked the owner to name the last team that won a Super Bowl without a general manager (probably the Bill Walsh/Joe Montana/Steve Young 49ers, a franchise run by a man acknowledged to be a coaching genius as well as an astute personnel evaluator).

He also might have pointed out to Snyder how much success the Redskins had with a general manager during the Gibbs I era, when Bobby Beathard and Charley Casserly supplied the talent that helped fuel four Super Bowl appearances and three championships that ultimately and properly got Gibbs into the Hall of Fame. And wasn't it Beathard who hired Gibbs in the first place, arguably the greatest decision in club history?

Michael also might have mentioned to the owner that Gibbs' reputation as a mediocre evaluator of college players back in the 1980s and early '90s has always been well-known all around the NFL, and that Vinny Cerrato's shortcomings as a judge of talent also has been pointed out by many of his NFL peers.

There were so many more questions that could have been asked, but never were.

Why, for example, are so many long-time Redskins season-ticket holders handing off their seats to their kids or friends because they simply hate the in-house FedEx experience of ear-splitting music, a cheerleading PA announcer, too many unruly and often soused fans, outrageous costs to park their cars and agonizing traffic jams before and after games?

Why did he try to convince Beathard to come in and be the general manager a few years ago, then offered him a laughable contract that guaranteed he'd say no?

Why has the team traded away so many high draft picks and brought in high-priced big names (Deion Sanders, Bruce Smith, Adam Archuletta, even Steve Spurrier among many others) who happily took his money and were saying goodbye before anyone could hardly say hello?

Looking back, was it worth the price of perennial Pro Bowl, lockdown cornerback Champ Bailey and a No. 1 draft choice to acquire running back Clinton Portis from the Denver Broncos?

Why did he allow long-time play-by-play Frank Herzog to be fired, and how long will it be before Sonny and Sam are let go in favor of, say Joe Theismann, who did color on the preseason games?

Why has he never had the good sense or the common decency to invite John Kent Cooke, the son of the team's long time owner and a long-time club executive himself, to sit in his box at a home game in the seven years since he outbid John Cooke to buy the team?

And by the way, I'm not the only one who thought Comcast's "exclusive" interview with the Redskins owner left quite a bit to be desired.

Former Redskin Brian Mitchell, who co-hosted the Comcast post-game show (for now, anyway), said on the air right after the interview that it should have been an in-house Comcast broadcaster grilling Snyder. He also mocked what he described as "the cotton candy type questions" the owner was asked and said Michael "laughed them (the questions) in and laughed them out."

Mitchell also described the owner as "still stubborn" and pointed out that Gibbs hardly won all those Super Bowls by having the final say on personnel. "No, he had Beathard there, and Casserly there," he said, adding that Snyder should be fair game for criticism considering the team's dismal record since he bought the team.

"The quarterback gets blamed for everything, the coaches get blamed, why not the owner?" Mitchell said.

Come to think of it, the next time Snyder agrees to an interview with Comcast SportsNet, and as long as he allegedly has no say in who conducts it, wouldn't Brian Mitchell be one of the guys you'd want asking the questions?

Absolutely.

Posted by: DisgustedFan | September 25, 2007 1:28 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Let's be honest here | September 25, 2007 8:45 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: fire la canfora | September 25, 2007 8:47 PM | Report abuse

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I'm sure we could get a lot of people to sign on to this.

Posted by: Ummmm.... | September 25, 2007 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Shheeesh! If you don't like Jason's blog, don't read it!

Now, for something related to why this blog is here in the first place...

I'm convinced that part of the problem is that Gibbs has lost his nerve. He's so afraid to lose now, that he won't go WIN. The 2nd half of the game was played in "DON'T LOSE" mode rather than "FINISH THEM OFF" mode. Plays were too conservative and Jason Campbell was too limited. The biggest problem is that Gibbs won't let Al Saunders do what he wants to do. YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO (2) PEOPLE CALLING THE PLAYS!!! Let Jason Campbell make the mistakes early... before December... by learning what he is and isn't capable of.

And what's up with all of the pessimism? We're 2-1 in a mediocre conference. For us right now, that's good!! I have every intention of planning some weekends with the Skins in a playoff game (or two even!).

So... trade the negative for constructive criticism and try to remember some of the talent on our team. (Santana, CP, Springs, Taylor, JC, Sellers, our new Pete Kendall, FLETCHER!!!, Washington, Randle El... there's more and you know it! (Unfortunately, Carlos Rogers isn't on that list)

Believe me, I've been off and on this wagon for 35 years... We should all just pray that someday in the VERY near future, Gibbs will figure out that he hired Al Saunders for a reason. I think the only reason we've seen such dumb play-calling is because Al is trying to appease Gibbs' "requirements" while calling plays he knows would work if only he could let the players try them without interference from Joe!!!

Anyway, that being said, I can't help myself. Here goes....

GO SKINS!!! BEAT DALLAS!!! (Well, one can dream, can't one?)

Posted by: LillyP | September 26, 2007 5:52 PM | Report abuse

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