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Monday Afternoon H-Back

I'll try to be gentle because I know that's a tough one for you guys to swallow.

Also, before we get started, James Thrash is on crutches and a cast on his left ankle. Does not look good.

And Sean Taylor was barely moving around with his right leg pretty much immobiler and stiff as a board. It's a knee sprain and we'll get more info later in the day, but Sean told some teammates it doesn't look as good as hoped and seems like he will miss at least a few weeks. But again, we'll get the official word later.

Okay, on to the MAHB. Thought I would do it in a glass half-ful, glass half-empty style:


The Good News: Everyone else choked too. At least every team that really matters to the Redskins. Detroit, New Orleans (to the previously winless Rams), Carolina (guess somebody has to win the NFC South, eh) and the Giants all lost. That means the Skins are still just a game out of a playoff spot. For as much as this one stings, and it's certainly a defeat that could haunt them in January, it doesn't have to be a killer. They still have nearly a half season left.

The Bad News: If they can't win a game or two on the road down the stretch, it just might be a season-killing loss. Simply winning at home the rest of the way won't be enough. Not now. And now the Skins have to worry about Philly catching them next week (Eagles play winless Miami while the Skins have to try to win in Big D). The Tampa game is bigger than ever, as they need as many tiebreakers are possible, and, let's face it, even if they beat Dallas the Skins are not going to win the NFC East. It's all about wildcard. Also, forget about 5-4, Washington is really 3-3, as that's the record against the NFC now. A loss to Dallas and they'd be 1-3 in the division, too, which is troubling. Gibbs is 5-6 against the NFC East at home since coming back, with losses in four of the last five games dating back to the start of 2006.

The Good News: The defense continued to hold up the offense. Demetric Evans made a huge play on the fumble that gave the offense the ball near the red zone and set up one touchdown. Andre Carter's sack and forced fumble should have turned the game for good. They had the Eagles bottled up pretty good most of the game. Rocky McIntosh had a nice bounce-back game.

The Bad News: Two big plays were enough to defeat them given the lack of scoring they get. Everyone knew Westbrook was the key to the whole dang thing and he beat them anyway. Helluva play on his part. The bomb to Brown was incredibly lucky, but with Sean Taylor out they figured they'd take a shot. And with Taylor probably out for this week, TO is gonna be smiling, because he never wants much to do with The Reaper. Prioleau is a good smart safety, but he's not an intimidating presence of any sort. And Dallas opens it up as much as any team in the NFC. Also, Randall Godfey is more of a run stopped but did a good job in some tricky coverage situations ... then dropped the ball when he could have picked a few off. As for Rocky, he got eliminated by a block on the screen and was involved in not getting off the field on the 12-man penalty, so still things to work on there as well.

The Good News: Choo Choo had his wheels a churning and was a workhorse again. They're going to have to give him even more time off in practice if he keeps this up, because he's going to need a rest from the pounding he is taking. Guy ran 66 times in two weeks for 333 yards.

The Bad news: When a guy like him runs 30 times, you're figuring on at least 1 rushing TD and at least one big run. But his longest went for 12 yards and as the field closed down and the outside zone plays dried up, they stalled. Could not push the ball in from inside the 10, when the Eagles loaded the line and there wasn't enough room to turn the corner. And, when they finally used Betts - I think it's crazy to keep putting him in cold after not having touches for hours at a time,. he fumbled. I thought they were courting disaster with this one - anyone else flash back to the game at KC a few years back with the fumble returned

The Good News: The wide receivers caught a pass from the QB, 3 times no less. How about that. Great to see the older guys getting it done.

The Bad News: James Thrash had a terrific game on teams and catching balls and blocking - he's legit in that jumbo package - but now he's probably out at least a few weeks (was in a cast today on that high ankle sprain). So who will step up? McCardell finally got the call again and that TD was clutch. But there's no chemistry between JC and Receiver, The and Santana Moss is still ailing and Antwaan Randle El is hurting, too.

The Good News: Jason Campbell had a tremendous game. Finally, finally, they put the game in his hands more with the no huddle stuff and staying in the gun for a spell. He was money in that formation. He was excellent on third down (including two touchdown passes). He hit some long stuff for the first time in 4 weeks. He was cool under pressure again. He made some big plays with his legs. After a four-week spell where he was slumping a bit, he bounced back big time. JC's best game ever if you ask me, and should have been enough to even his record as a starter at 8-8.

The Bad News: The fumble was huge. He's turned it over 8 times in 5 weeks. Throwing it away on the two point conversion was rough, too. Might as well force it somewhere.

The Weird News: How many teams run 71 plays to 58 for the opposition and hold the ball for 10:27 of the fourth quarter at home, and have a 9 point lead with 12:31 to play in that quarter/game and lose? Think about that again for a minute. The Redskins have run 143 offensive plays the last two weeks and scored just 4 TDs. They have driven inside the opponent's 25 10 times in those two games

The Somber News: The team makes the mistakes over and over with procedural stuff near the goal line, blowing timeouts, miss-managing in-game situations, letting leads slip away. A ton of this falls on Coach Joe and after nearly four years on the job there's been no improvement in pretty much all of these areas. Thus they rarely if ever win consecutive games and thus they fail to sustain any momentum and forge an identity and thus they flip and flop and end up usually pretty mediocre in the end.

By Jason La Canfora  |  November 12, 2007; 1:57 PM ET
 
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I thought we'd never get here!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

2ND

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 12, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

JLC, did anyone ask bLloyd about his embarrassing attempt on the ball on that last pass? He felt Dawkins coming from the middle and shied away from a hit (that never came as Dawkins went for the INT) while the ball was still in the air.

It still hit him in his hands as his alligator arms flapped around... he was just looking at the ground at the time.

He needs to bGone now.

Posted by: BucktownSkinsFan | November 12, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Kool...Aid....drying....up.

No Sean Taylor = no chance to beat Dallas.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Rough loss with so many mistakes, especially penalties. Seems like injuries caught up with this team, secondary and o-line yesterday. But the biggest issue is the inability to close out teams when they are down. I try to look at the bright side, and I figured 2007 would hopefully be a turnaround from 2006. And it has been. With a QB that just finished his first full season. The ship looks like its pointing in a better direction, but its not running at full speed yet.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 12, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Jasno,

How much longer is Mr. Snyder going to put up with this same-old, same-old?

If you fly to Dallas on his plane, please explore this with him and let us know when you land, okay?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

The Somber News: The team makes the mistakes over and over with procedural stuff near the goal line, blowing timeouts, miss-managing in-game situations, letting leads slip away. A ton of this falls on Coach Joe and after nearly four years on the job there's been no improvement in pretty much all of these areas. Thus they rarely if ever win consecutive games and thus they fail to sustain any momentum and forge an identity and thus they flip and flop and end up usually pretty mediocre in the end.
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Really, that's news to talent_evaluator who feels it's all on the players themselves. Jason must be being anti-redskin with this thought eh?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 12, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

As much as I hate to say this, after watching our team since the late 60's, Coach needs to become the pres and step aside. We need two things desperatly on this team, a GM to get the players and a LONG term smart coach who can get this very talented but undisciplined group to play smarter football. A side note but does anyone remember the Skins going through so many injuries to key players in a season?

Posted by: jandlml | November 12, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Great Post, J-la, and pretty much spot on as well. Nice to see its not all bad too...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 12, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Jason is right, this isn't so complicated.

It's all about the Tampa game right now. A loss there would put them back to 5-6 and force them to atleast win 4 of the last 5, including beating Dallas at Fedex and the Giants in the swampland.

This week, well, lay the points. In fact, get them while they're on at 10-11.

It's all about Tampa baby....

Posted by: gdennie | November 12, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Hey McP, get off his back. Give it a rest would you please.

Enough of the "see I told you I was right" bull-crap.

That garbage gets so old, so quick.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 12, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

The Defense held up the offense? We can't have been watching the same game.

The Defense put the offense in the hole. The Offense gave the Defense a few leads to protect and they blew it.

3rd and 22 and they give up 21 1/2 yards?

Gregg Williams and his Cover 2 silliness is destroying this team's chances

Posted by: keino83 | November 12, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

The worst part of all this may be the injuries, especially the injury to Sean Taylor. The Defense collapsed without him and it's gonna be ugly this weekend if he's not on the field.

Posted by: kreitman4 | November 12, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

OMG! I am so glad someone else saw that! B Lloyd just closed his eyes and just fell down. I couldn't believe it when I saw it in slow-mo.

I have a solution for this team's never-ending poor performance:
1. Hire a dang good GM
2. Fire JG
3. Get the new GM to hire a dang good coach
4. Start drafting players (Look how they worked out...Sean Taylor, MacIntosh, Landry, .....I am out)
5. Stop giving out new contracts to unproven players (Is a dog with full-stomach gonna do your tricks?)
6. Get someone taller to buy this team

Posted by: kcho | November 12, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Say what you want about player execution. This one I blame at the coaching staff calling these plays. I am not going to waste blog space going over the same tripe we go over everytime; however, Gibbs and Co just need to go. It's just pitiful now. How can you try the same stupid running plays when Eagles have it stuffed? You get a break with a new set of downs and you do it again??? Bootleg? Spread wide and run? SOmething...DAMN!

Posted by: jackluminous | November 12, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Said last week that my late grandfather could cover Thrash because he hadn't been open in 4 years. But I was wrong. Nice game by James. Nice to see Campbell finding some rhythm with his WRs, even if they aren't any of the guys who were in the top 3 when the year started.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 12, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

All this game tells me is that the players want Gibbs to go. It all started with that extra point attempt and went down hill from there. Seriously.

And, (stealing from Riggo but I agree), The Skins don't have that Killer Instinct. Not one of them from offense to defense, save for McCardell...........

Posted by: RightWay | November 12, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

jasno...

you forgot the penalties on defense...those 5 yard illegal contact and automatic first downs (especially on 3rd down) are killers...and no worse than the 15 yard personal fouls in previous weeks that came on first down...

eagles never should have gotten their first TD...

i blame the penalties more than anything...

thank gawd everyone else lost...hopefully they will again next week so we dont lose pace...

Posted by: steveconklin | November 12, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Any chance TheRon gets a shot at FS if Taylor is out?

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 2:27 PM | Report abuse

You can't expect to win if you don't score on 7 chances from within the 5 yard line.

Posted by: dhulfish | November 12, 2007 2:27 PM | Report abuse

The worst part of all this may be the injuries, especially the injury to Sean Taylor. The Defense collapsed without him and it's gonna be ugly this weekend if he's not on the field.

Posted by: kreitman4 | November 12, 2007 02:18 PM


This should be the paramount concern in Ashburn this week, no doubt.

Dallas will feast a week early with such a depleted secondary. Williams has really got his work cut out for him.

Looking ahead, Garcia just behind Favre with a 95 rating YTD. Williams better come up with something both weeks.

Posted by: gdennie | November 12, 2007 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I forgot to add Thrash. As I said a few weeks ago and people were downing my notion - JC needs taller receivers as evident by yesterday. McCardell and Thrash did just fine. Moss wouldn't have caught that pass like Thrash did in the back of the endzone.

Look at all the great WR this year - TO, Buress, Fitzgerald, The Real Moss, Roy Williams, etc... They are all BIG targets and makes the QBs job much easier.

After this failed experiment and Gibbs leaves this year, I would imagine that will be on the top of whoever is making the football decisions next year......

Posted by: RightWay | November 12, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Missing from the game. Moss, Thomas, Jansen, Rogers, Washington. Hurting significantly or lost during the game, Smoot, Taylor, ARE, Daniels, Thrash. Never there: Lloyd (ok a cheap shot but he deserves every single one).

Its a pretty long list. Seems the Skins tipped when Taylor went out.

Look at Manning when his WRs are gone. That chemistry means a lot. Nice to see signs of QB-WR chemistry again in DC, with Campbell and the old guys, Thrash and McCardell.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 12, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

The worst part of a loss is how this board gets populated with morons.

Yeah, Right Way, missing the extra point was Suisham's way of letting Gibbs know that he was not happy with the way he is coaching. And yeah, McCardell is the only one with a killer instinct. Good stuff....whenever possible, I try and use the smallest amount of logic...just a thought for you to consider.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 12, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Good post, but defense holding up offense in this game, well that is just straight bunk.....don't get that at all!

GG is just as much to blame, his vanilla, soft predictable and wuss-azz defense is getting old, and they are just as undisciplined.....

No Taylor againts Dallas, well that will be tough, nigh impossible....

I want Russ Grimm.....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 12, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Right on keino83. The D forced one 3 & out and 2 punts all game and once again allowed a TD on the opening drive of a half. If the D doesn't allow that Westbrook TD in the fourth, the O probably gets the ball back and takes it down for a score to put the game away. We can't ask anything more from the offense than what they gave; the defense is supposed to hold that kind of lead.

Posted by: we3fieldz | November 12, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"How much longer is Mr. Snyder going to put up with this same-old, same-old?"

The real question is how much longer us fans are going to put up with LPD (little prick danny) who would charge you for oxygen if he could figure out how?

Joe Gibbs was a great coach because he had Bobby Beathard bringing in the players. If LPD really wanted to win for us fans, like he says, he would bring in a football guy.

His next step would be to move his punk ass out of Redskin Park and let the professionals do effing jobs.

Posted by: X_1967 | November 12, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Hey 4th, sounds like you're losing the faith there with JG a bit? What's changed your mind?

Posted by: Redcoat | November 12, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Redskins were penalized 11 times for 74 yards, Eagles 5 times for 38. Eagles got four first downs off penalties, Redskins got two.

I thought Gibbs performance was pathetic yesterday, but every one of those penalties was called on a player, none on the coaches. Gibbs did enough to lose that game, but the players really didn't step up when they had to.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Remember when Joey T would run the naked bootleg near gola line, especially when D's were keying on Riggins...where has that play gone....its got J-Cam written all over it....

I was screaming for it on that fateful goal line drive....


Also the reason why Thrash and JC were insync is b/c they actually practice together during the week.....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 12, 2007 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Heard the game on radio. On the opening drive of the 3rd quarter, Skins had Sellers try on 3rd and 1. None of the guys in the booth could believe the spot. Said it was terrible. So it was 4th and 1.

Anyway, Gibbs call a timeout. He has to challenge that spot. If you lose the challenge, you lost the timeout and still have another challenge. If you win the challenge, you get the timeout back!! There is nothing to lose!!

Now I'm not sure if the broadcast guys saw it right, but if they did, who is Joe's currient 'challenge' guy? Because that is a big thing to miss.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 12, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I was thinking of Santana Moss and the Jaguars game (05) on that last throw... Focused on the ball, made the safety miss and skipped into the end-zone for a game winner.

Does his heal injury have anything to do with his groin?

Does the Redskin injuries this season have anything to do with God hating the District of Columbia?

2005 was fun... we should do that again some time.

Posted by: Dorf | November 12, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Say what you want about player execution. This one I blame at the coaching staff calling these plays. I am not going to waste blog space going over the same tripe we go over everytime; however, Gibbs and Co just need to go. It's just pitiful now. How can you try the same stupid running plays when Eagles have it stuffed? You get a break with a new set of downs and you do it again??? Bootleg? Spread wide and run? SOmething...DAMN!

Posted by: jackluminous | November 12, 2007 02:20 PM
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Becareful jackluminous, gregmarino88 does not like it when you make posts pointing out the ineptitude of the coaching staff, something that has been going on for 4+ years even though others strongly disagree with the entire concept.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 12, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

The real question is how much longer us fans are going to put up with [Mr. Snyder] who would charge you for oxygen if he could figure out how?

Posted by: X_1967 | November 12, 2007 02:29 PM

Uh, why is that the real question? The guy owns the team. He bought it, and he can keep it as long as he pleases. He didn't win it an election. We can't vote him out. What are you proposing that the fans should do?

By the way, wouldn't everyone charge for oxygen if they could figure out how?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

zcesty,

That 3rd and 1 was not made by Sellers. First of all it was a lame call, run portis the dude gets 1 yard always...also Sellers (who didnt have one of his better days) leaped for it which was dumb beyond belief. Sellers in the air? He could have pounded it out better....it was silly beyond belief...

Also they got good penetration (maybe why he lept) b/c guess what...THEY KNEW EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE GOING TO CALL!!!!!

Posted by: chrislarry | November 12, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Sellers came up short on that 3rd and 1. When you're that big you do not try to jump over the line for a yard (especially when you jump from 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage like he did). You bust through it.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 2:38 PM | Report abuse

PMC, dude, learn not accept other people's opinions, without having to get in their grill telling them how "RIGHT YOU WERE", and "HOW YOU'VE BEEN TELLING US THIS FOR WEEKS"

How long have you worked in professional football? Yeah, me neither.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 12, 2007 2:38 PM | Report abuse

The worst part of a loss is how this board gets populated with morons.

Yeah, Right Way, missing the extra point was Suisham's way of letting Gibbs know that he was not happy with the way he is coaching. And yeah, McCardell is the only one with a killer instinct. Good stuff....whenever possible, I try and use the smallest amount of logic...just a thought for you to consider.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 12, 2007 02:28 PM
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Also, sorry to burst your bubble buddy but I've been here pretty much from the beginning, just didn't use my "registered" name instead choosing funnier ones related to simpsons characters, various professional wrestlers, etc. Get over yourself dude.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 12, 2007 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat - Its more losing faith in the players rather than Gibbs. The players haven't showed me much, as a team. If one unit does well, the other one doesn't. Gibbs will leave after the season if this shabingus keeps playing out...

Greg - Speaking from the heart. I felt this was going downhill from that point. Like, I said above - Team. To be a team, you must be mentally tough, which the skins ain't....

Posted by: RightWay | November 12, 2007 2:39 PM | Report abuse

There are plenty of Dallas, Philly and NY fans to fill up the sits if the Redskins fans decide to boycott. Best stick to paper bags.

Posted by: Dorf | November 12, 2007 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs press conference on his game plan for next week:
"Well we're all in this together, so saying that, I'm going to start Brunell and Santana Moss and hope we can rekindle the magic of the 2005 game. If it worked than, why wouldn't it work now? Brunell fights his guts out every week on the bench and Moss fights his guts out literally with his pulled muscles every week. It's going to be a dog fight, and I'm proud of my guys for going out there and playing 3 hard fought quarters every week. What's that? The game is four quarters? Jeepers creepers, when did that happen?!"

Posted by: ga8085 | November 12, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

"The defense continued to hold up the offense."

Nonsense.

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | November 12, 2007 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Poopy_McPoop is a funny name? Not even to my 4 year old... I obviously need to get out more.

Greg, RightWay was formerly 4th, prior to that 4th Floor. He's a much longer-timer here than I and perhaps deserving of a little more politeness than your rather spiky retort.

Although I understand if people's danders are u pa bit today. Try being 0-9, it makes you pretty sanguine. Or suicidal...

Posted by: Redcoat | November 12, 2007 2:43 PM | Report abuse

It's getting hard to tell who's bashing whom up here! Sure is hard to keep up.

The 'charging for oxygen' debate reminds me of the woes of the planet Druidia in "Spaceballs." Remember Dick Van Patten huffing from a can of Perri-air? Almost priceless.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 12, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Right Way, explain how Mcardell has the killer instinct? And explain what you meant by what you said about Suisham.

PMP, thanks for the tip about getting over myself. However practice what you preach. If you'll notice I'm not telling everyone how right I was every chance I get, unlike you....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 12, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat,

Good point. Who do you think the 'Phins will pick number 1 in the draft this year?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Every season ticket holder on this blog and their friends can give up their season tickets but the fact is for every one of them that does there are idiots like me on the waiting list who would come right behind you and buy them up. Or there are idiots like my brother-in-law who just has season tickets so he can make money off of them on E-Bay.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

The one common denominator since LPD bought the team is him. Norv Turner won his first year and then LPD went and played fantasy football and screwed everything up. Next up Marty. He loses first five then goes 8-3 and fired for it.
Now we know that Marty is a winner (14-2) last year.
Next up Spurrier. He blows first year. Second year he mails it in when little prick danny tells him he can't keep Wuerffel as a back up. By mid season that year, everyone could tell Spurrier absolutely loathed him. Then in January resigns from the 15th hole at Raspberry Falls. Talk about a lack of respect to LPD.

Now Gibbs. A proven winner, yet not the same coach he was 15 years ago. Anyway, we need real fast good young players, a bunch of them. Instead we the likes for example of Philip Daniels, 34 and over the hill. But in SKinspeak, "he's a core guy." Yeah a core guy like about twenty others on that team that can't play.

The Skins are a bunch of tin men. Why? Because they see how "core guys" get treated. Think Antonio Pierce, Lavar Arrington, Fred Smoot, Derrick Dockery. How did LPD treat Springs this offseason? He asked his "core guy" to take a pay cut.
Think about that, ask a contributor like Springs to take a cut while keeping total loser Brunell on the payroll....

whatever......eff LPD!

Posted by: X_1967 | November 12, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Hey Nate, no release date for version 2 yet?

Posted by: Redcoat | November 12, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Poopy_McPoop is a funny name? Not even to my 4 year old... I obviously need to get out more.

Greg, RightWay was formerly 4th, prior to that 4th Floor. He's a much longer-timer here than I and perhaps deserving of a little more politeness than your rather spiky retort.

Although I understand if people's danders are u pa bit today. Try being 0-9, it makes you pretty sanguine. Or suicidal...

Posted by: Redcoat | November 12, 2007 02:43 PM
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What is really funny is when other people want to address me they themselves choose to type in Poopy McPoop. THAT'S what's so funny about it.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 12, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Oh, everyone watching the presser this afternoon is going to need this 'Gibbs to English' dictionary.

My pleasure.

http://wheelhouse.blogspot.com/2007/11/gibbs-to-english-dictionary.html

Posted by: gdennie | November 12, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Memory fails... maybe it wasn't Van Patten huffing the canned air but Mel Brooks as the bad guy... oh well.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 12, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Time to break out the brown paper bags. I hear the saints fans still have some in theyre attics. Maybe jm220 and CO. can bring them back next time they visit New Orleans?

Posted by: booredskinfanhoo | November 12, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

"Uh, why is that the real question? The guy owns the team. He bought it, and he can keep it as long as he pleases. He didn't win it an election. We can't vote him out. What are you proposing that the fans should do?

By the way, wouldn't everyone charge for oxygen if they could figure out how?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 02:36 PM

What? Did you just crawl out from under LPD 's desk to type the that up?

Posted by: X_1967 | November 12, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Right Way, my apologies, I was unaware you were formerly "4th Floor". Thought you were a lurker....

RC thanks for the tip....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 12, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Right Way, explain how Mcardell has the killer instinct? And explain what you meant by what you said about Suisham.

PMP, thanks for the tip about getting over myself. However practice what you preach. If you'll notice I'm not telling everyone how right I was every chance I get, unlike you....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 12, 2007 02:45 PM
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dude i'm not telling everyone, i'm telling one guy who yesterday kept arguing that the coaching staff were not to blame at all in any of the mental miscues. YOU are the one who decided to get involved in our back and forth.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 12, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Only got to see the frantic 4th quarter down her in Tampa as the FOX affiliate decided to show the Packer/Viking game with the Bucs on their bye week. Gave another one away. Go to the end zone inside the 10 on at least 2 of those plays. Yea, we were running up and down but the Eagles D was better in tight spaces. Play action after the blast to the win and give JC a run/throw option. Naked bootleg might also have worked too. Then there's Betts fumble. Although we got it right back, it gave them some life mentally. Where are all the "put Betts in" folk now. Blog CFO keeps saying not to expect him to be successful when he doesn't come in fresh??? He's the sub! That's what he gets paid to do. SPELL Choo Choo. Losing Reaper hurts. Blitz McNabb and double Westbrook. He's become the Joe Morris Redskin killer. We'll be in the Dallas game. Not counting it as a loss. "Up here, our character guys" have fight and will gut it out.

Posted by: gregskins | November 12, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

What are you proposing that the fans should do?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 02:36 PM

What? Did you just crawl out from under Mr. Snyder's desk to type the that up?

Posted by: X_1967 | November 12, 2007 02:47 PM

Look, if you don't know what we should do, just say so. It's okay, nobody up here's expecting much out of you anyway.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Come on now. Selling oxygen is so 90's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_Bar

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

We're going to have to trade down in the draft t_e or get into the whole Eli/Dan Diego thing!

Seriously, I think we draft for defense if Beck works out once he gets on the field and a quarterback if he doesn't. My money still says he will, so we will draft guys for the D-line and secondary all weekend long. Plus some receivers in there somewhere. And a tight end. So almost everywhere actually!

It's quicker to say we're okay at Running Back as long as Ronnie Brown gets well, our o-line are playing out of their skins now, and our drafted CB Will Allen is beginning to look okay. The rest of the defense (Taylor excluded probably) goes in the crusher.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 12, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

PMP, all I'm saying is move on. Stop trying to act like you have all the answers.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 12, 2007 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I have to wonder about our long term penalty statistics in Gibbs Era #2. I believe we gave away a quarter of the field to penalties in the first drive of this game alone...

The lack of discipline exhibited, on both sides of the ball, is appalling after this amount of time. There simply isn't any excuse for it at the NFL level.

Posted by: SabreAce33 | November 12, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

TE-

What I do know is we do not need anymore sycophants running around.

Posted by: X_1967 | November 12, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat - About Gibbs or the players? I'm saying Gibbs will leave because I doubt he can take to much of any additional uncertainty. I have always thought that Gibbs would stay the full 5, but yesterday to me was one of the worst losses he has suffered in recent memory. Hopefully, I hope we can get back into it this week. I would never concede anything to them, but Dallas' passing game is legit.......

Greg - I hate when I use a broad brush, because someone will sure attack me.
Re: Suisham - It just wasn't a good 'omen'.
Re: McCardell - I also meant to include Thrash. When we needed to actually score, these are vets who have proven there worth, no one else on offense has. When I was thinking gamers, I was thinking passing game, which includes JC, which I was referring to getting him some tall receivers. Moss' '05 season is becoming more and more like a one hit wonder. How long you gonna be injured with a different injury before you get labeled unreliable? Jets had already did that before he came here......

Posted by: RightWay | November 12, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat
LSU DT Dorsey is supposed to be the top rated player coming out this year. Scouts compare him to Jerome Brown when he left Miami and got drafted by the Eagles. That's who my money is on for the Phins to get. But judging from their last draft (GINN JR) who knows what they'll do.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 12, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

How many penalty yards did the Patriots give up against the Colts last week? Wasn't it a franchise record? It was at least 140yds I think.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that even the most disciplined teams give up penalty yards sometimes, but it's how they put that out of their minds and deal with the game as it is now - not as it was before the boneheaded play - that differentiates them. The Packers have two corners who play 'old fashioned' and get hit for penalties regularly because of that, yet it doesn't seem to knock them out of their stride.

The Skins are alone in not getting over that, even Indy last night looked like they couldn't get by theat stupid 'simulation' call on 4th and inches and blew it on the field goal. Shti happens, it's only what you do about it that matters.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 12, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

re: the sellers leap into cluelessness. i really think the team didn't know where the first down line was. he just aint that stupid.

yeah they knew what the skins were gonna do and yeah that should've gone to portis.

his love affair with free agency is biting gibbs on his ass after 4 years. scrap heap players to replace injured starters.

Posted by: dealer | November 12, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

PMP, all I'm saying is move on. Stop trying to act like you have all the answers.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 12, 2007 02:51 PM
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LOL, but I do have all the answers, on Madden my Redskins always go undefeated.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 12, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

WTF are we gonna do Sunday if Taylor is out. I'd prefer to see Landry playing center field taking over for #21 than I would Prioleau. Problem with that is it takes away one of our most effective blitzers. I wish man boobs would just go old school and put out a bounty on TO. Even if we lose seeing that ahole getting taken out would be worth it.

Posted by: cdubb | November 12, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Nate... it was Mel. It happens a minute or so before he gets teleported incorrectly and realizes how large his ass is

Posted by: BucktownSkinsFan | November 12, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Welcome back bucky...thought u had defected permanately to sports bog....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 12, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

McNabb was clearly afraid of the L2 blitz. I say we attack Romo until he throws enough INTs for us to win or gets blown away in the back field and leaves the game.

If the game starts to get out of hand, Fletcher is always there for some "personal fouls."

Posted by: Dorf | November 12, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

jc looked good but he makes bad mental errors that make you cringe. let's chalk it up to being a rookie and hope for the best. also IF there is a change in regime there is NO WAY that coach doesn't bring in his own guy at QB. either thru draft or FA.

Posted by: dealer | November 12, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

cdubb, I'm with you on giving Landry a shot back there. We need a big hitter who will put the fear in the minds of those receivers just like Reaper does. Hell we don't blitz anyway so it shouldn't hurt too much in that aspect.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

LOL, but I do have all the answers, on Madden my Redskins always go undefeated.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 12, 2007 03:00 PM

What a coincidence! So do Mr. Snyder's! Your Madden Redskins should play his Madden Redskins sometime.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Buck!

cdubb, I gotta guess it would be less disruptive to play Prioleau for Reaper and keep Landry where he's been all season... not as menacing an umbrella, that, but why disrupt TWO positions? It's already gonna be a long game without SeanTay and Carlos in there.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 12, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the tip ga8085, I'll look out for Dorsey, I don't follow college football at all so I must plead total ignorance come draft time.

Ginn is actually working out okay. He's running his routes well and getting open deep regularly. Sadly though our current quarterback has "small hands" and appears to have a religious objection to throwing to any guy further away than 5 yards who isn't called Marty Booker. As I mentioned earlier, Ginn has also had two return TDs called back this year so far for non-existent holds. Oh and Lemon's radar is defective or something because he can't detect when VERY large men are just about to trample him because he stlil has the ball. I think he must have been having some special coaching sessions from Brunell or something... :)

But that's what happens we you get on a losing run, even the zebras have to get their fill of feeding on you in the end!

Posted by: Redcoat | November 12, 2007 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Thanks cL. My workload and attention span has kept me as a lurker for a while. I got to this chain early and had to spit some vitriol towards bLloyd.

Posted by: BucktownSkinsFan | November 12, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse


As the new "Joe must go" regime takes this blog over, our first act is to banish no-talent evaluator. We do that by simply not responding to anything he posts. He was a staunch defender of Gibbs all week and then threw him under the bus at the end of yesterday's game. We simply cannot have a cowardly turncoat in our presence. Be off with him!!

Lisa will most likely be next, but we'll give her one week to earn her way back with us. Otherwise, a pox on her!

We should begin planning now for the next coach of this team and what his first 5 priorities ought to be. Never hurts to be ready.

Posted by: Soups1 | November 12, 2007 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Good luck with that Riggo44.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Kill all the regulars!

Posted by: Dorf | November 12, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Nicely put t_e.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 12, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

thanks bigcarp!

Posted by: Soups1 | November 12, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse

One thing I will say about the loss is that it was the pivotal game in which we either had realistic hopes of a post-season or where we'd have to "look fwd" to next season...I've been doing this for about 15 years now.

I've release my "hope" for my woeful Dreadskins at this point and find that I have more time for things that actually matter....I did however find time to fight both of my couches and body slam several pillows after Westbrook took that screen to the house....ANGER has turned into serene meditation...I can now write my memoirs, "POOP IN A MICRO-CHASMIC VACUUM".

Posted by: nikolas_kent | November 12, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Why do I get the feeling that we still have 'multiples' on here?

Posted by: Redcoat | November 12, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Riggoo,

You're about the only one who's ever responded to anything I've written up here, and I can't say that I'll really miss your urine if you stop pointing it at me. Why don't we try it that way for, say, the next year and if I do miss it then I'll let you know?

Thanks for your consideration.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

dealer you are giving JC a pass because as you said you will chalk it up to him being a rookie? Hmm This is his 3rd year 2nd in same system.

Posted by: booredskinfanhoo | November 12, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Uh, Riggo44, welcome to you and everything, but you may be interested to learn that there has been a "Joe must go" regime up here for the past fifteen months or so.

The thing is, the old "Joe must go" regime was actually kind of funny, so even disagreeing with their comments, for the most part I found them enjoyable reading. (Hint, hint!)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 12, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Riggo44 why are you such an azz hole? Let people have their opinions, its not personal its just what they think, get over it....TE has been a good dude for a long time, Lisa is smart funny and loyal. I have scrapped with both of'em and hope to again in a fun way, but who the hell are you to be taking over anything or banishing people.....

dude relax, its much better to be friends and argue in that sports bar over beers way, not the faceless thought police way....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 12, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Redcoats--'Multiples'? As in schizophrenics? I was thinking they were 'incompletes'.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I do welcome the opportunity to write up a list of top 5 priorities for the Redskins' next coach! I can't wait to hand-deliver that list and see it put into action at the Park! What a thrill that will be for me, for us! We can make a difference!

Oh, and another thing, let's go ride our winged unicorns after school today!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 12, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

What a huge call on Reaper's absence... Grilliams just dropped the soap and TO is standing behind him with his towel on shoulder. CRIKEY.

So...lose to Dallas - BIG. I'm talking NE style. Haikuman commits blogicide he's so depressed, BigFish sets up appointment to fight Ricky Bobby, and Talent Evaluator OD's on remaining Kool Aid. Bad Monday for Blogania next week.

Good News - BOOM - bounce back in TB. Roadtrippers PubGolf and RB throwing 20's around in delight with Jasno after game at undisclosed locale. Reaper comes in too and buys drinks, sighting return against Bears. Blogania resurrects Haikuman, RB and BigFish hug, borderline blogtopia, TE recalls recipe and everyone doing shooters of KA.

Bad News - 23-21 (7 FG's) loss to Bills. Unreal. See above dallas game for impact.

Good news - Run the table. RT returns, Reapers brings Thunder back, Smoot returns, JC calls own plays. Skins creep into playoffs at 10-6. PG owes $50 for Skins breaking over/under mark for wins.

Another point - I've noticed some misc blamings directed at Cooley on the goalline. 3 people jumped, they just called his number. Also - Should never have let the play clock go that low. The Eagles, with the goalline D in, should have been quicksnapped to prevent a TO. Not all that motion garbage which has been useless since 98. Terrible. Hike the friggin ball when they have no corners in!

PG

Posted by: Pubgolf | November 12, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

The NFC is pathetic by everyones admission on this blog. So if our beloved redskins are in the middle then whats the conclusion by your own measurements? Hmm

Posted by: booredskinfanhoo | November 12, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

By the way t_e, I checked your posts from yesterday and I found no lack of consistency between your views as expressed there and at any other time.

Gibbs doesn't commit neutral zone infractions or any other on-field penalty either - as Skins at least don't seem to suffer painful 'delay of games' like the Gints do regularly - so he can't truly be blamed for those.

He does however set the 'game plan' and call many of the plays still, and for that farrago he should plead 'mea culpa, mea maxima culpa'.

You defending the former whilst calling for the his head over latter at the end the game is therefore found perfectly consistent.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 12, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Riggo,

You should be a life coach. I'm sorry your mommy didn't give you enough attention as a child and that now you seek it from complete strangers. Now you've gotten a couple responses can you go back to eating your paint chips now?

HIRE SCOTT PEOLI!!!!

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 12, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Funny you'd mention a rather pedestrian phallic symbol like a unicorn, Nate. Looks like somebody has unresolved issues...

Posted by: Soups1 | November 12, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

See that Riggoo? CL's going to take us all out to a sports bar and buy us some brewskis. That's how you make friends around here.

Where we goin', CL? What time?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

This registering thing is for the DAWGS...

Hatred for Philly has grown into a seething rage. Once again we made Donny Donny 2x4 look like a legend in our house...once again Westbrook dared us to stop him and didn't, couldn't...

I must say that my pectorals and biceps are especially sore today from throwing haymakers...at one point I blacked out and found myself in a ditch still "throwing down" with the air....hatred, anger, wetness, holy sh1t I am going to be even more depressed when we're 5-6 after the Tampa game....

Posted by: P00P | November 12, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

"Funny you'd mention a rather pedestrian phallic symbol like a unicorn, Nate. Looks like somebody has unresolved issues..."

New nominee for top unfunniest attempts at humor in RI History

Posted by: chrislarry | November 12, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Now this point is more like last year from JLC. Points out the good and the bad. That's all a brother ask.

Posted by: jm220 | November 12, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

By the way, ChrisLarry:

Do you even have a job other than working on Snyder's staff? (wink)

Posted by: Soups1 | November 12, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

All RI posters drop me a line when in NYC, and we will hang, first round on me,

Thats how I roll.....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 12, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat,

Thanks for giving me a passing mark! I didn't see any inconsistency, but there seem to be people on the blog who take disagreement as hatred. And, I will confess to going out of my way to bait a few of the slower ones, and they are really mad now. So I'm prepared to take my lumps now and, SHUDDER, be shunned by them.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Wow zinger Riggo44 you got me, cut me to the bone, facial, ouch!

Posted by: chrislarry | November 12, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

That's great CL! I'm sure you'll dig into mommy's purse as you're getting ready to leave.

Posted by: Soups1 | November 12, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

CL--New York? I keep forgetting about the distance thing. Look could you just send me an Andrew Jackson and I'll go out to a sports bar here on you? Nice way for us to bond, I think. Thanks.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Paragraph 3...the female witness quote... perfect description of how it feels to be a 'Skins fan these days.

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/atoz/2007/11/man_tazed_at_girl_talk_show_at.

Posted by: 4-12 | November 12, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Glad I could help t_e.

Be careful though, it's only a short step from 'shunning' to 'burning heretics at the stake' for some of these people.

"Tonight we're gonna party like it's 1399"

And I have to agree that I misspoke, by 'multiples', I mean 'partials'. But presumably if you get enough of them (say 112) they have enough brain cells to add up to an average IQ.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 12, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

riggoo44 (sick of defiling riggins with ur handle)you are seriously unfunny....

TE...um no sending money is out...

Posted by: chrislarry | November 12, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4-12 | November 12, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Now back to our future:

Once Gibbs leaves, retires, is fired, whatever, what to do with Williams? A crappy head coach, decent defensive coach. Probably should keep him. I feel better already.

Posted by: Soups1 | November 12, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse

CL--Well, as I learned from pretty women, it never hurts to ask. The worst is they say no, If you ask enough of them, eventually you get a "yes."

Redcoat, can you send me an Andrew Jackson? Riggoo?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Nate, always up for a Spaceballs reference -- or most Mel Brooks references for that matter ... what hump?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 12, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Sadly, it seems that Riggo44 has suffered a psychotic break and has completely lost contact with reality.

As such any responses to his/her/its posts should be avoided as they would only serve to further underpin his/her/its delusional state.

So, what's the over/under for you guys against Dallas? I bet it's lower than ours against the "Little Sisters of Craphonso" that we'll be up against next week. Thank heavens there's no relegation in the NFL!!

Posted by: Redcoat | November 12, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

"From the Redskins standpoint, the Eagles did a heck of job today. For me personally, there was a lot out there. I want to do a good job of studying the film and I don't have a lot of things that I think I will comment on right now. I think we need to take a long hard look at everything. I'm always careful after a game like this of jumping out and trying to analyze things. Probably what we'll do is go back and go to work. Tomorrow we'll come in and look at the film. One thing that I'm thankful for is that we have some other games to play. We get a chance to come back and hopefully redeem ourselves. I say real good job on Philly's part. I thought [the Eagles] played well, and we've got a lot to look at from our standpoint."
-This after last year's loss. Let's see how much of it he pukes back at us today...

Posted by: Soups1 | November 12, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

What didn't lose the game. The missed extra point -- because each team wound up missing essentially the same number of points by trying two point conversions. And Betts fumble because the defense got it right back.

What did lose it were penalties and the failure to realize the only guy who can beat us was Westbrook. McNabb's long TD pass was a bit lucky, the guy was well covered but made a great adjustment. Clearly the defense missed Taylor down the stretch.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 12, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

On the vulnerability of the Redskins defense to giving up big plays:
"I don't think you can single out one part of our team. I certainly wouldn't do that. Defensively, I think we struggled with big plays. They're a very talented group and you have to be at your best to keep them from making big plays. They have a great quarterback, and they're certainly capable of making plays. I don't think I would stand here today and say it's just defense. We have a lot of things to look at, and a lot of things that we need to go to work on."

Posted by: Soups1 | November 12, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Taklent Evaluator -- that pretty woman saying 'no' thing. Well sometimes thw worst thing they can do is say yes. Reminds me of the joke:

What's difference between sex for free and sex for money?
Sex for free is a whole lot more expensive.

What funny is to tell that in mixed company because every guy gets it and only about 1/2 the women ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 12, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

On costly Washington penalties:
"We definitely hurt ourselves on penalties and that is a discouragement for me. I can definitely speak for that. We did a good job last week and we bounced back and spent a lot of time during the break of putting an emphasis on penalties. Last week we came out with five [penalties], and we definitely won the penalty difference last week against Dallas. Then it jumped back and grabbed us again today. It's definitely something that hurts us. It's more of a risk on the road with false starts and things like that. If we continue with that from a penalty standpoint, you're going to have a tough time winning football games. I think that's something that we definitely can fix. Why we would have a good week last week and drop back? I don't have an answer for that."

On whether you can coach NFL players to avoid taking penalties:
"We talk a lot about it here with the media that's around us. We do a lot with officials in practice, and we watch films of it. We start with the film tomorrow of everything that happened in this game. There's a lot we do. I felt like we made progress last week, but then we drop back again this week and have a bunch of penalties that really hurt us."

On whether execution or personnel needs to be evaluated in regard to the review of the film:
"I'm talking about just in general. Every game for you is the best teaching tool. It's also the way that you learn the most. You see your guys match up out there today and you have to go through everything. You kind of analyze and see what did happen to us, and then you go to work on fixing it. It's a little bit of everything I would say."

On whether he expects his team to rebound from the loss:
"I think we'll fight to the bitter end. I think that's what we'll do. That's what I want us to do, and I think that's what our players want. As I look around the locker room, a bunch of those guys were with us and with me when we went 6-10. Then they turned around last year and they were with me when we made it to the playoffs. I think that group with their character will fight. I feel good about that part. But we have a lot of work to do."

On how to keep the loss from being too demoralizing:
"These guys are smart. They know, and they'll do a good job of watching the film and seeing what happened. They'll kind of analyze where we are and we'll tee it up and go to war."

Posted by: Soups1 | November 12, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone heard from dcsween since he met up with Jasno?

Posted by: Redcoat | November 12, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

What funny is to tell that in mixed company because every guy gets it and only about 1/2 the women ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 12, 2007 03:49 PM

Nice. And the half that get it are the ones that charge for it, right?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I was pretty disappointed yesterday, but after a bit of venting, I slept okay. Had a nice swim this morning, enjoyed Jasno's post. Arsenal leads at the half. So I'm in a much better mood.

I don't like how some people up here are already counting the Cowboys game as a loss. That's a bit weak if you ask me. I'm not saying that we're a better team, and we will win. But the fact that the things which are holding this team back, and little mistakes, means that it shouldn't be too hard to turn it around.

Anyone pick the Rams to win yesterday???

Posted by: kost52 | November 12, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

What didn't lose the game. The missed extra point -- because each team wound up missing essentially the same number of points by trying two point conversions. And Betts fumble because the defense got it right back.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 12, 2007 03:46 PM

I dunno about that mate, I reckon Betts' fumble played a big part in switching Joe to conservo mode. We may have got the ball straight back, but I think that Joe was so scared of turning the ball over, that he called runs on 7 of the next 8 plays.

Posted by: kost52 | November 12, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

then its Joe's play calling that lost it ... just saying that fumble wasn't a killer mistake ... though it looked pretty bd at the time

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 12, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I suppose, good point.

I reckon he's definitely hurt his own chances though. 1 carry for the game and he does that.

Posted by: kost52 | November 12, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

beep beep.... Reaper out at least 2 weeks

Posted by: 4-12 | November 12, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I reckon Betts' fumble played a big part in switching Joe to conservo mode. We may have got the ball straight back, but I think that Joe was so scared...

Posted by: kost52 | November 12, 2007 04:08 PM

Kost, I hope you're not right about this. It's kind of scarey to think that a HOF coach would change his game plan because of a fumble. If so, they guy's a shell of himself and not qualified for HOF.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Kost is right, as usual. C'mon people! It's Dallas week. You don't think the Skins will be able to dial up an effort? I'm not chalking it up as a win by any stretch. In this rivalry, you can toss out the records, and the comparative talent of the players, and any significant injuries, and any perceived mental deficiencies on the part of the coaches. It's gonna be a hard fought battle!

2-0 Arsenal!

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 12, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Guess we shouldn't even bother traveling to Dallas this week, according to some of the pessimists on here.

I think division games are almost always close, and the Skins can win if they play smart.

* Washington has won 3 of the last 4 against Dallas.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Folks, if you peruse the comments above, there is a decent volume of "we're not far from being good." I grew up in DC during Gibbs 1.0 and venerate the man as much as anyone, and he belongs on the Mt. Rushmore of coaches, but here is the unvarnished truth: THIS TEAM IS POORLY COACHED. Lots of penalties, terrible time management, terrible use of challenges, can't put teams away, plays down to the level of inferior teams, questionable play calling, etc. Are any of these statements even remotely debatable? Hasn't this been the case since he came back, aside from one great run to get to the playoffs in 2005? The Skins aren't loaded with talent, but they have enough to win 10 games in the NFC, on both sides of the ball. But there are not going to do it, and the reason is obvious. If his name wasn't Joe Gibbs, we'd be calling for his head. Joe, thanks for the memories and for risking your reputation to try to restore the team to glory, but it's over.

Posted by: erikgreenberger | November 12, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Wow, no Taylor, no Smoot, no Rogers; Tony Romo and T.O must be licking their chops.

Final Score: Dallas 45, Redskins 10.

Posted by: owiz | November 12, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

So much for the glass half full-

Can you spell-
DIS
GUS
TING

Smoot- penalty gives Eagles new life
Springs- penalty gives Eagles new life

Two money players that are PRO's- make
costly penalties that are potentially game changing in consequence.

Play calling at the goal line

Clock management

How many yards did the defense give up in penalties?

When Portis was carrying the offense- did they go to the run in the fourth quarter to catch up-NO

There is no way in hell The Redskins will beat Dallas and based on the way they have been playing -they will be blessed if they can win three of their final games.

Posted by: howardhaney | November 12, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

This team does not come close to resembling the teams we were used to in the previous gibbs era. They are not as disciplined. The dumb penalties are a testament to that. And the defense not finishing people off, and the offense not punching the ball in on the goal line. This was unheard of in the previous Gibbs era. He has lost the intensity. This team plays without any intensity at all. Especially on offense. Sure he brought back some character to this team, but where is it getting us??? When his contract is up, or even after this year it is time for him to ride off into the sunset, with his head held high, knowing he re-built this team in his own image. Now it is time for somebody to step in and remind these guys how to WIN football games consistantly. Since Gibbs has been back, they have consistantly been inconsistant. which leads back to lack of discipline, which leads to lack of intensity, which leads to dumb plays,etc... This year is now a wash, now that Taylor is out,Moss cant stay healthy,the right side of our offensive line cant block my grandma, Campbell is still improving,but as we have been saying since 1992, "Wait till next year!!!"

Posted by: clemhefferon | November 12, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs is what his record is: bottom feeding material. I would rather watch the skins lose trying to score than watching them lose trying to not lose. The inability to score on 1st and goal from the three and half yard line is an indictment of the skins head coach not a virtue of the iggles defense. And, how and the hell do you pay B. Llyod and only get 25 catches through 25 games. Friggin genius there Gibbs.

Posted by: tony | November 12, 2007 5:09 PM | Report abuse

"The defense continued to hold up the offense"

What game did you watch Jason?

The defense gave up 2 4th quarter TD's with the Skins leading! The offense needs to do better in the red zone, no doubt, but the defense continues to allow teams to move up and down the field in the second half. They have shown little ability the last several games to stop an opposing teams offensive at critical times, when the going has gotten tough, this defense has disappeared!

Posted by: cabraman | November 12, 2007 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I guess it's a good thing there was no Internet, 24/7 sports cable channels and WTEM back when Gibbs 1.0 came to town in 1981.

The lynch mob would have showed up at his house carrying torches and pitchforks after his 0-5 start.

Try some patience. 5-4 ain't all that bad.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 6:05 PM | Report abuse

As much as Joe Gibbs has meant to this organization's history it's plain to see it's time to go. When you lead every game except for the Patriots game going into the fourth quarter and lose the way we have, it solely rests on the head coach's shoulders. This season has been absolutely rediculous yet so predictable for us Redskins faithful. What will it take to turn this thing around in the upcoming years? Look at the Packers..from terrible last year to 8-1 this year. Everyone's taking their turn turning their seasons around except for the predictably bad Skins. As unheard of as it is I can't watch next week's thrashing(and that's what it will be). It will be too painful to watch!

Posted by: patrick_pennell | November 12, 2007 6:11 PM | Report abuse

INTERESTING STATS BELOW:

After 9 games, the 1984 Redskins (11-5) had a record of.... (drum roll)... 5-4!
After 9 games, the 1985 Redskins (10-6) had a record of.... 5-4
After 9 games, the 1988 Redskins (7-9) had a record of.... 5-4
After 9 games, the 1989 Redskins (10-6) had a record of.... 4-5!!!
After 9 games, the 1990 Redskins (10-6) had a record of.... 5-4

At 5-4 in 2007, in a pathetic NFC, the Redskins are very much alive.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Surprised no one really harped on this but yesterdays loss, and IMO, all of the others with the exception of NE, has come down to our goal line offense. It is pathetically predicable and hugely inefficient. How many opportunities have we blown to score touchdowns, because are in the Heavy Jumbo package trying to run the ball with 11 guys in the box? When we do try and pass, we have a tight end and a full back out in the pass pattern. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who you need to cover if it's play action. It's pathetic and it would bet 9 out of 10 times we have settled for field goals as a result.

Yesterday JC showed us what the offense was capable of when the handcuffs were removed. He drove them up and down the field, spreading the ball around, setting up the run with pass and the pass with the run. The offense looked better than it at any point under Gibbs & Saunders. Makes you wonder what our record would be if we stopped playing wussy conservative ball and opened things up.

Posted by: DaveWeiss | November 12, 2007 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Turd Sandwiches, offical Monday press conference food of Washington Redskins Coach Gibbs.

"What would you do?" Gibbs asks. The reporter, not sure if Gibbs actually needs the advice or if he is being sarcastic, rolls his eyes.

He thinks to himself "Hire a GM, Draft better. Probably start with both lines. Call more passes, fewer draw plays, especially on third and goal. Lead my team, when we are in the lead in the fourth quarter... walk up and down the sidelines and encourage the players, not just sulk, spit, and close my eyes, calling timeout all the time. Let them know I am in the game mentally and I am watching them. " Tell my assistant defense head coach to Blitz like men more than twice a game. Get fired up. Overturn some gatoraide when my 60 million dollar prima dona tight end jumps offsides so the other players know that I am the dude in charge of this stinking team and I won't put up with baby mistakes 8 games into the season!"

Let's get turd sandwiches off the Monday lunch special Joe!

Posted by: DownTownClown | November 13, 2007 12:35 AM | Report abuse

"Gregg Williams and his Cover 2 silliness is destroying this team's chances

Posted by: keino83 | November 12, 2007 02:16 PM "

Grilliams is not doing a good job of putting this defense in a position to win. I completely understand his phobia of deep balls, a la 2006, but you can't keep playing the same schemes week in and week out. And this is evident from the steep drop off from #3 overall defense to God knows what.

What gets me is that when there was pressure on Mcnabb, it worked. So why not continue to pressure like they did? Playing deep zones was supposed to guard against big plays, but the Westbrook TD clearly made it a moot point. Sometimes i get the impression he's babying his players too much. I understand ST was a huge loss, but the coach has to put the onus on his players to perform. And they can't do that if he's calling all these vanilla schemes. It seemed the players were just really bored.

Even more disturbing is the fact that GW is taking on the personality of the head coach, i.e. Play not to lose.

This team, and I hate to say this as a life-long diehard Redskins fan, is going nowhere.

Dallas is going to destroy us. They will put up 35 points, at least.

Anybody get the feeling that Snyder already has his roladex out and Redskin One humming in the hangar?

Posted by: helmanan | November 13, 2007 5:52 PM | Report abuse

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