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Monday Morning H-Back

Well, that was some ending, eh? A big drive ties the score, then the Redskins allow the winning field goal as the clock expires. Well, first things first.

This wasn't a team worthy of being in the playoffs or capable of doing any damage there, which means that losing Sunday and getting an easier schedule and higher draft picks is better for the long term.

There's no reason to dissect every nuance of the game, but certain tendencies again came to the fore. The defense has not been good enough in the fourth quarter and can't get off the field when it must. The final drive was a repeat of the final six weeks or so. The players seemed to age big time as the season wore on. Other than a few picks from DeAngelo Hall, the younger guys didn't make plays.

The Skins had trouble running the ball and stopping the run. Again, you can't win like that, not doing it week after week.

Clinton Portis couldn't get it done in the second half of the season, with his body breaking down again. The aging offensive line didn't help, but when you're paid to be the bell cow, you can't fumble at crucial times, again, while picking up three yards per carry, again. The passing game needed a lift from the running game in the second half of the season, and it never came.

Portis's dwindling production in the second half of the season - hardly an anomaly - should be a concern for the organization, and I know it is for the coaches. But they don't call the shots and they didn't guarantee Portis's contract through 2010, so that seems to be a moot point.

Anyway, here's a look at Portis's longest runs in the final five games:

Giants - 5 yards
Baltimore - 11 yards
Cincinnati - 10 yards
Philadelphia - 14
San Francisco - 7 yards

Those are pretty alarming numbers. Over the final five games, Portis ran 98 times for 281 yards, an average of 2.9 per carry. Jim Zorn tried to lean on the guy and go to him, and was feeding him with the lead Sunday. Then Portis turned over the ball and the game began slipping away.

Portis ran 155 times for 513 yards in the second half of the season, an average of just 3.30, with a single TD (from a yard out). This, after averaging 5 yards per carry with seven TDs in the first eight games (and rushing for 940 yards).

How do those numbers compare with 2007?

First eight games - 151 - 629 - 4.2 - 6 TD
Final eight games- 174 - 633 - 3.6 - 5 TDs

Ports hasn't been the same back at the end of the season since 2005, the last time he was truly healthy, before the knee and shoulder surgeries led to even more arthroscopies and injuries. He's not a home run hitter, and that's what this point-starved offense needs.

As for the passing game, on the last play of the season James Thrash was on the field ahead of the The Lost Boys - Devin Thomas, Fred Davis and Malcolm Kelly. That's your season right there. That trio combined for 18 catches and no TDs. That must change next season or Jason Campbell will be doomed. Heck, the offense would be doomed, as well and perhaps so would Zorn.

The Skins did not have three offensive TDs in a game after Week 3. When teams adjusted to them, the coaching staff had no answers and no one else stepped up. Double Santana Moss on first down, double Chris Cooley on third down, play the run on second down. It's fairly easy to figure out.

The Redskins don't have the ability to do too much more at skill positions and will sink or swim with Vinny Cerrato's draft class. They need a lot of help on defense, and with Portis and Cooley and most of the offensive line making big bucks, they've made their bed there.

If protected and developed properly, I think Campbell can be a very good QB. He made huge strides in protecting the football, being accurate and using his feet. Another season in this system should help. But he needs playmakers, true matchup problems, and more than two wide receivers he can trust. Having more than two seconds to get rid of the ball would help, too.

As for the defense, there were too few takeaways and big plays, but we already knew that. There was no pass rush .. and we knew that. When Andre Carter leads your team with four sacks, that's a problem. That's the lowest total in franchise history and must be one of the lowest totals to lead any team in a long while. A decent end who plays every down should stumble into three or four sacks. (Jason Taylor walked into 3½).

And when you couple the lack of a pass rushing thrust with outside linebackers who are either small or broken down or in the process of breaking down, it's doubly problematic. The 49ers were attacking Rocky McIntosh Sunday, and H.B. Blades is just not big enough to play outside or to cover tight ends.

As for the secondary, it is generally the strength of the team, but it seems more and more likely that Carlos Rogers will be shopped around this offseason. The Redskins will make every attempt to keep DeAngelo Hall from hitting the market, Shawn Springs, perhaps, will stick around, but Fred Smoot had a subpar season all around, heightened by being exploited Sunday. I'm not sure he's back.

Cerrato wants more draft picks, but he has precious little of value to peddle. Beyond Rogers, maybe Ladell Betts fits the bill. (Perhaps they plan to draft a running back by the third or fourth; I'd be careful banking on Portis for 16 games next season).

The team also needs to see what Chad Rinehart can do, and I'd let Pete Kendall go. You have to get younger at some point, and with Randy Thomas and Jon Jansen probably on their last year here, why not start at left guard? Stephon Heyer wasn't great Sunday - far from it - but they need to give him a run of 8-10 games in which to find out what they've got. I'm not sure he's a starter, but they should take a good, long look first.

The bottom line is that this probably isn't a one-year fix. And since they kids barely played this season, for the most part (especially at the positions of greatest need), the youth movement needs to start at some point. If they want to go after every free agent again, so be it.

I'd probably target one guy: Tennessee's Albert Haynesworth. While I worry that having a ton of money might affect his effort, he is someone to build a defense around - when he's motivated. The team then could draft perimeter defenders. On offense, the Redskins could play Heyer and Rinehart and Kelly and Davis and Thomas over and over to see what they have. (And someone young and explosive should be returning punts, anyone other than Antwaan Randle El).

It may turn out that the kids (or some of them) are not good enough and that would be squarely on Cerrato. But right now, this is where the team is. One offseason likely won't change things; two or three smart and shrewd offseasons in a row and maybe this sleeping giant will finally awake.

...

The last MMHB of the year ends with some season awards. I'm not giving out an offensive MVP, because there wasn't one. When the season was on the line, they had no offense to speak of. Nothing.

On defense, the winner is London Fletcher, who slowed in the second half and frankly shocked me with a lot of stuff that came out of his mouth about the Pro Bowl and the Hall of Fame a few weeks back but is unquestionably the heart of this talent-starved defense.

On special teams, long-time readers know it takes a lot to knock me off my Rock Cartwright kick, and no one else came close. His tackles were down, but when his teammates were the most lifeless - against Baltimore and Cincy as well as Sunday at San Fran - Cartwright was slamming those kick returns and doing anything possible to lift the others. That's being a teammate and a leader. That's football.

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 29, 2008; 7:01 AM ET
 
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Comments

Okay, we're 8-8. Does that mean we get to pick FIRST in the draft?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 29, 2008 7:14 AM | Report abuse

not second

Posted by: don17 | December 29, 2008 7:16 AM | Report abuse

not third

Posted by: don17 | December 29, 2008 7:16 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth would be a DOG here just like all the other high-priced free agents wooed here with the big bucks. The team we have now is too comfortable and spoiled as it is.

Go young and hungry I say. Start over!

Posted by: kone | December 29, 2008 7:17 AM | Report abuse

Well, it was a good run and much better than any of us expected this first year with Zorn. Hail.

Posted by: don17 | December 29, 2008 7:18 AM | Report abuse

Move JZ to OC and bring in Ron Rivera as Head Coach.

Posted by: kone | December 29, 2008 7:19 AM | Report abuse

brownwood,

After your 5:50 post, I thought you didn't care anymore. Now, I see you do care. The difference? I'm guessing it has to do with coffee.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 29, 2008 7:12 AM

I still don't. But it's slow at work and it's hard to quit this blog. Plus I can't just let stupidity like "the Redskins are like the Wizards" slide.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 29, 2008 7:22 AM | Report abuse

At least the Cowboys lost so bad. Man, it was amazing to see the Cowgirls get trounced! Skins with back to back .500 or better seasons and Dallas getting humiliated the last 2 seasons...good times!

Posted by: don17 | December 29, 2008 7:22 AM | Report abuse

well regular season is over and it is time for the regs to get to work. See ya later 17 week bloggers. Time for the old school off season fun and speculation.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 29, 2008 7:23 AM | Report abuse

Just imagine if they could score 24 points every week

Posted by: cilp33 | December 29, 2008 7:24 AM | Report abuse

I'm not giving out an offensive MVP, because there wasn't one.

By Jason La Canfora | December 29, 2008; 7:01 AM ET |

Portis was fourth in the league in rushing yardage and he's not the team's offensive MVP?

The team finished 8-8. What do you think the record would have been without Portis?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 29, 2008 7:24 AM | Report abuse

On special teams, long-time readers know it takes a lot to knock me off my Rock Cartwright kick, and no one else came close.

By Jason La Canfora | December 29, 2008; 7:01 AM ET

This is another sellout by Jasno. Everyone knows that Leigh Torrence was the special teams MVP.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 29, 2008 7:28 AM | Report abuse

Move JZ to OC and bring in Ron Rivera as Head Coach.

Declare a true, all out QB competition in camp between JC and Colt.

Nuke the whole starting OL.

Get a quick scat/3rd down/punt,kick returner back to compliment Portis and Betts. Someone that can scare a defense. Bye bye Rock, it's been nice.

Coach up the rookie wideouts and Fred Davis then cut ARE(gladly), Thrash(sadly), and Yoder.

Nuke 30% of DL; Taylor, Carter, Griffin, gone.

Add two young, fast LBs with Fletcher.

Move Springs to FS or cut him. Keep the rest of DBs.

Hire my wife to punt and kick. She's better than those turds.

Posted by: kone | December 29, 2008 7:33 AM | Report abuse

You can put sauerkraut or chili onto a hot dog to make it taste better but in the end...it's still a hot dog! Ya know?

Well, I'M TIRED OF HOT DOGS!!! I say we suck it up, eat boxed mac and cheese for a few years while we save and build things up. ONLY THEN will we feast on filet mignon and lobster!!!

Posted by: kone | December 29, 2008 7:35 AM | Report abuse

kone,

I agree with most of what you said Zorn would never take a demotion and if he did he would lose all credibility.

What did he show you as OC this year that would make you want him to call plays next year.

I would say bring in an experienced WCO OC and let Zorn work with the QB's

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Hire my wife to punt and kick. She's better than those turds.

Posted by: kone | December 29, 2008 7:33 AM |

Not sure about you wife but I think my 10 year old could do the punting, and my 7 year old could do the FG kicking. They would play for unlimited Wii games, so they would not cost the team to much.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Move JZ to OC and bring in Ron Rivera as Head Coach. Dumb, new rookie HC=8-8 at best
Declare a true, all out QB competition in camp between JC and Colt.Dumb, Colts still not there
Nuke the whole starting OL. Dumb, three of these guys are still playable
Get a quick scat/3rd down/punt,kick returner back to compliment Portis and Betts. Someone that can scare a defense. Bye bye Rock, it's been nice. Dumb, no 3rd back is going to scare anyone ever

Coach up the rookie wideouts and Fred Davis then cut ARE(gladly), Thrash(sadly), and Yoder.Dumb, actually this is not dumb but I had a thing going

Nuke 30% of DL; Taylor, Carter, Griffin, gone.I think you offer them to stay for less or go to market
Add two young, fast LBs with Fletcher.
Move Springs to FS or cut him. Keep the rest of DBs. I think you cut smoot
Hire my wife to punt and kick. She's better than those turds.
Posted by: kone | December 29, 2008 7:33 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: alex35332 | December 29, 2008 7:41 AM | Report abuse

What teams will be looking for Coaches:

Cleveland
Detroit
Cincinati
KC
Oakland
St Louis

Anyone have any more.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 7:43 AM | Report abuse

frankly he showed me nothing but I *think* he could handle OC. he's in WAY over his head as HC - he knows it too btw. he has a good pedigree as both a player and coach plus is an excellent QB coach, i say reduce his responsibilities and give him 2009.

why wouldn't he accept demotion? if he's canned flat-out he'll be lucky to end up back where he was as QB coach. sometimes you gotta take a step back to take a step up - especially when you took (forced to?) too big a step in the first place!

Posted by: kone | December 29, 2008 7:45 AM | Report abuse

I'm not finished reading this very good analysis, but I find myself disagreeing with this kind of thinking:

"I'd probably target one guy: Tennessee's Albert Haynesworth"

Nooo. Let's get away with the trade as savior.

Posted by: columbiard | December 29, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Who stays who goes?

Offense
NO. NAME POS AGE HT WT EXP COLLEGE
5 Colt Brennan QB 25 6-3 212 R Hawaii
17 Jason Campbell QB 26 6-5 231 4 Auburn
15 Todd Collins QB 37 6-4 223 14 Michigan
46 Ladell Betts RB 29 5-11 224 7 Iowa
31 Rock Cartwright RB 29 5-8 213 7 Kansas State
26 Clinton Portis RB 27 5-11 221 7 Miami (Fla.)
45 Mike Sellers FB 33 6-3 280 9 Walla Walla CC WA
12 Malcolm Kelly WR 21 6-4 227 R Oklahoma
89 Santana Moss WR 29 5-10 200 8 Miami (Fla.)
82 Antwaan Randle El WR 29 5-10 185 7 Indiana
11 Devin Thomas WR 22 6-2 220 R Michigan State
83 James Thrash WR 33 6-0 204 12 Missouri Southern State
47 Chris Cooley TE 26 6-3 258 5 Utah State
86 Fred Davis TE 22 6-4 257 R USC
87 Todd Yoder TE 30 6-4 251 9 Vanderbilt
67 Ethan Albright C 37 6-5 248 14 North Carolina
63 Will Montgomery C 25 6-3 310 3 Virginia Tech
61 Casey Rabach C 31 6-4 288 8 Wisconsin
66 Pete Kendall G 35 6-6 286 13 Boston College
77 Randy Thomas G 32 6-5 308 10 Mississippi State
78 D'Anthony Batiste OL 26 6-4 313 3 Louisiana-Lafayette
68 Justin Geisinger OL 26 6-2 317 2 Vanderbilt
74 Stephon Heyer OL 24 6-6 314 2 Maryland
75 Chad Rinehart OL 23 6-5 307 R Northern Iowa
62 Devin Clark OT 22 6-4 305 R New Mexico
69 Jason Fabini OT 34 6-7 312 11 Cincinnati
76 Jon Jansen OT 32 6-6 306 10 Michigan
60 Chris Samuels OT 31 6-5 314 9 Alabama

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Who stays who goes?

Defense
NO. NAME POS AGE HT WT EXP COLLEGE
99 Andre Carter DE 29 6-4 253 8 California
93 Phillip Daniels DE 35 6-4 276 13 Georgia
92 Demetric Evans DE 29 6-4 287 7 Georgia
98 Rob Jackson DE 23 6-4 269 R Kansas State
55 Jason Taylor DE 34 6-6 244 12 Akron
95 Chris Wilson DE 26 6-4 247 2 Northwood
79 Lorenzo Alexander DT 25 6-1 286 2 California
73 Ryan Boschetti DT 27 6-4 289 5 UCLA
64 Kedric Golston DT 25 6-4 298 3 Georgia
96 Cornelius Griffin DT 32 6-3 303 9 Alabama
94 Anthony Montgomery DT 24 6-6 315 3 Minnesota
54 H.B. Blades LB 24 5-10 242 2 Pittsburgh
50 Khary Campbell LB 29 6-2 224 7 Bowling Green State
51 Alfred Fincher LB 25 6-1 238 4 Connecticut
59 London Fletcher LB 33 5-10 245 11 John Carroll
52 Rocky McIntosh LB 26 6-2 238 3 Miami (Fla.)
58 Matt Sinclair LB 26 6-2 253 2 Illinois
97 Tyson Smith LB 27 6-2 250 2 Iowa State
57 Rian Wallace LB 26 6-3 235 3 Temple
53 Marcus Washington LB 31 6-3 244 9 Auburn
23 DeAngelo Hall CB 25 5-10 195 5 Virginia Tech
22 Carlos Rogers CB 27 6-0 190 4 Auburn
27 Fred Smoot CB 29 5-11 185 8 Mississippi State
24 Shawn Springs CB 33 6-0 207 12 Ohio State
20 Justin Tryon CB 24 5-9 183 R Arizona State
23 Reed Doughty S 26 6-1 202 3 Northern Colorado
25 Mike Green S 32 6-0 200 9 Northwestern State-Louisiana
48 Chris Horton S 24 6-1 211 R UCLA
30 LaRon Landry S 24 6-0 202 2 Louisiana State
41 Kareem Moore S 24 5-11 213 R Nicholls State

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Flounder,

I'm saying that Denver will be looking for a head coach.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 29, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Portis was fourth in the league in rushing yardage and he's not the team's offensive MVP?

No, because he didn't do anything in the 2nd half of the season just like anyone else in the offense...

Posted by: VTDuffman | December 29, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

He had no break out plays either. No long runs for TDs.

Posted by: columbiard | December 29, 2008 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Flounder,

I'm saying that Denver will be looking for a head coach.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 29, 2008 7:54 AM |

That could be what about Tampa, they had a terrible collapse they may say goodbye to Gruden.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Can I start the campaign of getting Clinton Portis shipped out of town? I know he really cannot be moved due to his insanley high salary for a running back, but he is an average back. I could name about 15 running backs off the top of my head I would rather have than him. Here-let's give it a try:
Jacobs, Westbrook, Forte, Turner, DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart, Ronnie Brown, Marion Barber, Tashard Choice, Derrick Ward, A Peterson, Frank Gore, Willie Parker, Thomas Jones, Steven Jackson, Steve Slaton, and I could even start naming some backups that have a better sense of direction than Portis has-starting with Ladell Betts. How many times yesterday did he turn it up into a pile rather than move to open space to the outside for more yards? At least 5 instances that I saw. The guy seeks contact, when he could get more yards in another direction. He just is not that good. I am sick of everyone pretending that he is. He is becoming T.O.-and quickly. I wish we could just trade him back to Denver for a 2nd or 3rd round pick (which we would be lucky to even get for him), but we can't because of that idiotic contract of his. Serenity Now!

Posted by: Kohlrums | December 29, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

And Dallas will be looking for a head coach.

As far as "open competition" at QB, I don't understand what this means. Zorn watches the QB's in practice everyday. If he thinks that Colt Brennan gives him a better chance of winning than JC, do you really think he wouldn't wouldn't sit JC and play Colt? There is continuous "open competition" for this and every other job on the team.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 29, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

"Dumb, new rookie HC=8-8 at best"
Oh, like Harbaugh in Baltimore and Smith in Atlanta?

"Dumb, Colts still not there."
And JC is? It's a competition, not a crowning.

"Dumb, three of these guys are still playable."
For your team maybe. The flat-out weakest spot on the team. They stink, all of them. "Playable" when? 2009? Maybe. We can be 8-8 again! Whoopee.

"Dumb, no 3rd back is going to scare anyone ever."
A third back, not THE third back. Leon Washington? Darren Sproles? Speed kills.. and we got none.

Coach up the rookie wideouts and Fred Davis then cut ARE(gladly), Thrash(sadly), and Yoder.Dumb, actually this is not dumb but I had a thing going

"I think you cut smoot."
OK, him too unless he's got a good cap number.

Posted by: kone | December 29, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Can I start the campaign of getting Clinton Portis shipped out of town?

Posted by: Kohlrums | December 29, 2008 7:57 AM

No. The guy's fourth in the league in rushing yardage. He's not the problem with this team.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 29, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

The last 7 games Portis had 2 TD's and 1 100 yard game against Seattle who is very soft on defense.

Portis has no break away speed anymore, and breaks down at the end of the year.

His best days are behind him and because of his sh!tty contract there is nothing you can do with him for the next 2 years.

He plays hard but his body is not holding up.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 8:01 AM | Report abuse

That's right, Kohlrums. I agree with you, but I still think Portis is pretty good. The part that gets me is one, his high drama/maintenance; and two, that he thinks he's better than he is, and that there's a reliance on him to deliver more than he can.

Take those two things away, and the insanely high salary, and I'd say keep him.

Posted by: columbiard | December 29, 2008 8:02 AM | Report abuse

The last 7 games Portis had 2 TD's and 1 100 yard game against Seattle who is very soft on defense.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 8:01 AM

This is shocking. Imagine what a good running back could do if he were running behind the Redskins Pro Bowl offensive line!!!!!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 29, 2008 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Do you think the QB spot is really *open*? JC was a Gibbs/Vinnie/Danny choice that they ALL REACHED FOR. Get my drift?

A good beat reporter could give us a looksee here...

Posted by: kone | December 29, 2008 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Do you think the QB spot is really *open*? JC was a Gibbs/Vinnie/Danny choice that they ALL REACHED FOR. Get my drift?

A good beat reporter could give us a looksee here...

Posted by: kone

Listen to Riggins when they come back from the break.

Posted by: columbiard | December 29, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

He's not the problem with this team.

He's not the problem with this team, but he's indicative of the problems with this team...

He's

1) old and breaking down
2) someone who got all of their production in the 1st half of the season
3) making too much money for too long

You can quote the "4th in the league in rushing" thing until you're blue in the face, but the reality of the situation is that a bunch of teams are running 2 or 3 back systems these days so individual rushing stats are misleading...

Posted by: VTDuffman | December 29, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

The part that gets me is one, his high drama/maintenance; and two, that he thinks he's better than he is, and that there's a reliance on him to deliver more than he can.

Posted by: columbiard | December 29, 2008 8:02 AM |

No, he thinks he's better than WE think he is. During the game last night they compared him to the all-time top running backs and argued that he's likely to end up in the Hall of Fame. And two weeks ago, Peter King made the case that he could end up in the Hall of Fame. That's not too shabby.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 29, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Everyone is sooo negative. How bout some positives from yesterday? Here is one, Carlos ACTUALLY caught the ball. Also, we scored more than 16 points!! ...........Ok, thats all of the positives I got.

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | December 29, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

No, he thinks he's better than WE think he is. During the game last night they compared him to the all-time top running backs and argued that he's likely to end up in the Hall of Fame. And two weeks ago, Peter King made the case that he could end up in the Hall of Fame. That's not too shabby.

Clinton Portis will not be in the HoF, but that's neither here nor there...

The bottom line is that he's not getting any younger and he's not getting any healthier, and this fanatical devotion to old and busted great players who are past their prime is a big component of this team's problems.

Being complacent with CP, saying "he's not the problem" and not realizing that he's done in 2 years at the max and not coming up with a plan for his replacement is a HUGE mistake.

Posted by: VTDuffman | December 29, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Keep Portis but add someone dynamic behind him and USE ALL THREE. Alos better wideouts and a coach who will stick his foot up Portis' butt.

Portis is fine, but no more money or contract renegotiation. Say goodbye as soon as it's best for cap.

Posted by: kone | December 29, 2008 8:12 AM | Report abuse

1) old and breaking down
2) someone who got all of their production in the 1st half of the season
3) making too much money for too long

You can quote the "4th in the league in rushing" thing until you're blue in the face, but the reality of the situation is that a bunch of teams are running 2 or 3 back systems these days so individual rushing stats are misleading...

Posted by: VTDuffman | December 29, 2008 8:06 AM

You can whine about "old and breaking down" and "first half of the season" all day long, but the fact is that even two or three backs running behind this line in the second half of the season wouldn't have done as well as CP. CP's not the problem with the running game when he's running behind Heyer, Kendall, Rabach, Thomas, and Jansen.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 29, 2008 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Keep Portis but add someone dynamic behind him and USE ALL THREE.

You can't use all three. Using two is shaky enough as it is, do that too much and Portis goes crying to the media. can you imagine what would happen if CP had to split the carries three ways?

Posted by: VTDuffman | December 29, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Listen to Riggins when they come back from the break
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I can't, let me know what he says...

Posted by: kone | December 29, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Keep Portis but add someone dynamic behind him and USE ALL THREE.

You can't use all three. Using two is shaky enough as it is, do that too much and Portis goes crying to the media. can you imagine what would happen if CP had to split the carries three ways?

Posted by: VTDuffman

Right. And THIS is the problem with Portis. This is what neutralizes his talent.

Posted by: columbiard | December 29, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

You can whine about "old and breaking down" and "first half of the season" all day long, but the fact is that even two or three backs running behind this line in the second half of the season wouldn't have done as well as CP. CP's not the problem with the running game when he's running behind Heyer, Kendall, Rabach, Thomas, and Jansen.

We're having two different arguments.

I agreed with you that he wasn't the problem.

I countered with the fact that he's indicative of the problem, however.

I added that being complacent with him and not planning for his replacement will spell disaster in about 2 years.

Posted by: VTDuffman | December 29, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

They're putting it on Gibbs.

Posted by: columbiard | December 29, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Being complacent with CP, saying "he's not the problem" and not realizing that he's done in 2 years at the max and not coming up with a plan for his replacement is a HUGE mistake.

Posted by: VTDuffman | December 29, 2008 8:11 AM

So where do you see the most urgent needs to upgrade among these six players: Portis, Samuel, Jansen, Kendall, Rabach, Thomas? I, personally, would rank Portis as #6. That's why I think he's not the problem.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 29, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Denver will NOT fire Shannahan. Also Bengals to cheap to fire Lewis while they owe him money. Also you heard it here first....Marinelli stays HC in motor city.

Portis' contract prohibits cutting/trading him, and he really isn't the problem with the team anyway, however they must rethink how he is used. They need a diversified backfield. They should add a power and speed guy to take at least a third of Clinton's carries.

But I refuse to get lost in the wash of move by move analysis. As long as Snyder/Cerato runs this team, it really doesn't matter. This fish be stinking from the head down. I am not to keen on Zorn, but he is just a patsy here.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 29, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

You can't use all three. Using two is shaky enough as it is, do that too much and Portis goes crying to the media. can you imagine what would happen if CP had to split the carries three ways?

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Agreed. That's why you must have a HC that will tell Portis to shut his stinkin pie hole. Other teams are running multiple backs, maybe not three but with injuries you don't stay at three but for a few games anyway. I'd prefer to keep both but if you want, pick one Betts or Portis. Behind that person you need speed.

Posted by: kone | December 29, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

"This wasn't a team worthy of being in the playoffs or capable of doing any damage there, which means that losing Sunday and getting an easier schedule and higher draft picks is better for the long term."

On the first point: sure they were 'worthy'. The NFL didn't have a dominant club this year (I mean, the Browns clipped the Giants). The Skins are certainly a worthy match for the Dolphins, Eagles, and Vikings, and Cards. As to how they would have done: let's just say they wouldn't be favorites in Vegas.

On the second point, the schedule won't be that much easier (if any) and the draft position won't be that much higher. Plus this looks like one of those draft classes where there isn't that much difference between mid and late first round.

That's the problem with the draft as saviour -- most seasons, most teams don't draft all that well. The big successes are definitely the exception.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 29, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

They're putting it on Gibbs.

Posted by: columbiard | December 29, 2008 8:18 AM

That's what Jasno did in his column this morning. He said that Gibbs built a win-now team, trading off the future. It was a good column he wrote.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 29, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

mornin peeps, hope everything went well during your holiday.

Lets see, where to start..

CP, not the problem, however given a viable passing game, is DEFINETLY part of the solution.

Gotta fire a bunch of guys on this staff, the WR coach, for starters, OC needs to go as well.

Not getting Davis, Kelly or Thomas involved in this offense was just flat out stupid on Zorn's part. Dumb, just dumb, galactically stupid, throwing the ball to Thrash yesterday was mind boggling.

Flound, so far the kids got Wii Sports, Mario Olympics, Mario-Kart, and some hannah montana game. Haven't played the last 3, but Wii sports is a lot of fun.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 29, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Please please please NO HAYNESWORTH! I have seen the original and the sequel (stubblefield/gilbert)

Also I think Portis would be fine sharing the load if its handled the right way, ie actually communicating a vision to him instead of the code of silence that dominates Snyderskins both inside and out of the organization.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 29, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

That's why you must have a HC that will tell Portis to shut his stinkin pie hole.

You're never going to have a HC here who will be able to do that. Ownership and the FO will choose Portis over the HC every time, and an HC with no backing from upstairs has no position to tell the team's highest paid player to "shut up."

Posted by: VTDuffman | December 29, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

I'm not giving out an offensive MVP, because there wasn't one.

By Jason La Canfora | December 29, 2008; 7:01 AM ET |

Portis was fourth in the league in rushing yardage and he's not the team's offensive MVP?

The team finished 8-8. What do you think the record would have been without Portis?

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Come on t e, do you really want the Portis of the last 8 games to be leading your team? Exactly what was his contribution over the last 8 games that thrilled you, that said that he is our most valuable player? He basically said "Feed me the ball" or I will be having a little talk with my friend Danny. And so he got fed the ball and put in a whopping 3 yards per carry average. This team would have been better over the last eight games if Portis was on the bench for 3/4 of each game.

Posted by: driley | December 29, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

They're putting it on Gibbs.
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Agreed. and to The Danny Gibbs=Jesus. JC is going to be given EVERY opportunity to prove Danny/Vinnie/Gibbs were right.

Love Gibbs but I'm convinced his main reason for quitting wasn't the family thing. He knew what he had on this team and he also knew he caught lightning in a bottle last year (Collins' play, Taylor's death, whatever) and he quickly got out while his HOF reputation was still intact.

Posted by: kone | December 29, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

I thought there wasn't a cap in 2010? That means Portis has one year left in Washington.

Posted by: swowra | December 29, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

cl, hows the baby??

agree, non, nyet, no thanks, on Haynesworth...he just has bust written all over him...

So where does our first round pick fall?? 13th??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 29, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

kone, if you truly think that about Gibbs, then you don't really know anything about the man...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 29, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

You're never going to have a HC here who will be able to do that. Ownership and the FO will choose Portis over the HC every time, and an HC with no backing from upstairs has no position to tell the team's highest paid player to "shut up."

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Agreed too. I'm not say what can, or will, happen. I'm saying what should happen or at least what I'd like to see happen. Harbaugh had some tough nuts to crack in Baltimore but he did it. An ownership and FO issue? Absolutely.

That's the main reason I'd like to see Cowher get involved here. Seems like he may have a big enough stick to say, "gimme my money and the team and get out of the freakin way".


Posted by: kone | December 29, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe you guys are trying to lay blame on CP. CP is willing to give it all up for this team and ends up destroying his body in the first half of the season because we have an ancient OL.

Lets try something new this off season. NO NEW "SKIll POSITION" PLAYERS. We should focus on building the core of the team which is the OL and DL. If we did that, we would be amazed at the sudden improvement of our "skill" players.

Take a look at the NYG. A great OL and DL and a bunch of average guys playing behind them that look great because of the talent on both lines.

This is football 101...

Posted by: boomer5 | December 29, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

kone, if you truly think that about Gibbs, then you don't really know anything about the man...

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I don't. Just my opinion. Since you do enlighten me...

I'm not slamming him at all, far from it. He looked around, saw what he had, saw what he had done, threw in the family stuff and the answer was obvious. In his mind he brought the team as far as he could.

Posted by: kone | December 29, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe you guys are trying to lay blame on CP.

Nobody on the offense is blameless in all of this. CP's production in the 2nd half of the season was just as bad as anyone else's.

Posted by: VTDuffman | December 29, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

"Not getting Davis, Kelly or Thomas involved in this offense was just flat out stupid on Zorn's part. Dumb, just dumb, galactically stupid, throwing the ball to Thrash yesterday was mind boggling."

Actually, Beantown, drafting Davis, Kelly and Thomas was stupid, galactically stupid, mind boggling. This offense had two wide receiver postions open for the taking. The very fact that these kids were not good enough to seize those positions is what you can not get through your head. Do you really think that Zorn is thinking each week "How can I come up with reasons to keep my three best receivers off the field?" Zorn may be a rookie head coach but he has enough time in this league to know when a player is NFL ready or not.

Posted by: driley | December 29, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

Agreed on Wii sports, also Tiger Woods golf is awesome already picked up some sponsors for my golfer and have him decked out with new clubs.

On the Skins they need a lot, they need a new OC who calls the plays if you are going to use the WCO then install the entire thing non of this hybrid crap. I'm not saying it is the best offense foir this team, I'm saying that it seems to be what they want to run so if that is the case then go all out.

WR's coach needs to go.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Look, Gibbs is a great man, there are few better, first class all the way. He was a great coach too but the operative word is "was". In his second stint here, he was below average leading the football side of the organization and I agree with Riggins that a lot of the blame for where this organization is has to placed as Gibbs' feet. Assuming that is what Riggins is saying - I didn't hear it.

Posted by: kone | December 29, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

kone, Gibbs left for the reasons he said he left, and nothing else. He's not the type to duck and run because he thinks things are gonna get rough....you've got him pegged incorrectly if you think that.

riley, have you seen this offense?? Moss, Cooley, Portis, and then punt. Not getting the rookies involved was to the teams DETRIMENT. They didn't work out because they never were used properly. Thomas got 1 ball thrown his way yesterday. After running for a TD against the giants how often have they tried to get the ball in his hands, in ANY WAY?? Davis got the ball thrown to him NUNCE yesterday. Not ONE TIME. But somehow thats ok, having an offense that sucks, and is predictable is ok??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 29, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

(referring to Campbell) "But he needs playmakers, true matchup problems, and more than two wide receivers he can trust. Having more than two seconds to get rid of the ball would help, too."

This BS. He has Playmakers in Cooley and Moss at times. Cooley is a Matchup problem and two WR you can trust? Does D. McNabb have more than two WR's he can trust? LBM have more than two WRs? It's excuses for Campbell. He's been making some plays with his feet but none, none with his arm.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, NO player on the field can affect the game like the QB so if the O sucks it has more to do with him than anyone.

Posted by: Gweez | December 29, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs left for the reasons he said he left, and nothing else. He's not the type to duck and run because he thinks things are gonna get rough....you've got him pegged incorrectly if you think that.
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So be it. I obviously won't be able to talk him down off your pedestal but I think that's BS. He analyzed ALL the factors then made the decision that was right for him; just like we all do. It does not take anything away from him to say he got the Redskins to the playoffs and realized that, at his age, in the current NFL, he concluded it was the best he could do. Oh, and also, there are some who will argue that he did a "duck and run" the first time he retired. Remember?

Posted by: kone | December 29, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

kone, I don't put anyone on a pedastal, just trying to give you these things called facts to help you out.....I'll take the man at his word..

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 29, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs left this team better off than how he found it that is for sure. It's cap problems weren't as bad, it had made the playoffs twice in 3 years (One more time than the previous 13 years without him)

Was he perfect? No. But I think anyone would be hard pressed to find reasons why this team is worse off after Gibbs.

Posted by: Gweez | December 29, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Holy Sh!t

MANGINI OUT!
Posted by Mike Florio on December 29, 2008, 9:07 a.m. EST
A league source tells us that the Jets have fired coach Eric Mangini.

The move will be announced at a 10:00 a.m. EST press conference.

Wow.

More to come.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

No choice there.

MARINELLI OUT
Posted by Mike Florio on December 29, 2008, 9:06 a.m. EST
A day after completing the first 0-16 season in NFL history, Lions coach Rod Marinelli has gotten his parting gift.

Literally.

Jay Glazer of FOX and Adam Schefter of NFL Network report that the Lions have fired Marinelli.

Marinelli was 10-38 in three years on the job. When hired in 2006, Marinelli was touted highly by various voices in the media, even though he’d never previously been so much as interviewed for a head-coaching job.

Per Schefter, the Lions also fired the entire defensive staff and all offensive assistants except running backs coach Sam Gash and receivers coach Shawn Jefferson.

For the Lions, it’s a good start. And the team shouldn’t stop there. After the supreme embarrassment of an 0-16 season, everyone should be fired.

If we learned nothing else this year, it’s that a bad team can reverse its fortunes quickly.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

We can point to a million things wrong with this team. I am a lifelong SKINS fan and I am all knowing so I will offer my football and general manager experience to this blog

SICWIDIT'S RANT-O-THE-DAY

1) No talent on offense...Portis is a top back but for how long? As a real GM, I keep him but restructure his role. Why you would continue to smash him in between the tackles is beyond me. You need more of a two or three back system now more than ever with this team. Also, we've spoiled him so it's harder now to put muzzle on him. My buddy Parcells would get rid of him regardless of the cap hit, that's why they're 11-5.

2)Look to our defense for our answer on offense. C'mon people...it's not secret why this team is consistently good on defense every year. THEY HAVE TALENT AND THEY PLAY ALL THEIR PLAYERS...ROOKIES, VETS ALL OF THEM. They have young talent in (Hall, Horton, Golston, Montgomery mixed in with veteran talent) The have players that offenses have to account for. The have talent in the pipeline, but my only beef is that they have no game-changers on the the D-line. We thought we had one in JT but we don't. The offense keeps it rookies on the shelf and opts to play thirtysomethings every week. No one is scared of Thrash, Randle-El, a beat up Portis, Kendall, Jansen, or Cambpell with this personnel. I place the blame for this on Cerrato, Zorn and Bugel. Buges admitted in yesterday's post that he is partial to the older players, which is Gibbs philosophy. You cannot win with this O-Line or corps of receivers.

3) As a GM, I must advise Dan to bring in a football guy. Vinny may be o.k., but look at the success of other team. The Dolphins, Falcons and Baltimore are getting younger and finding a way to maximize their young talent.


Finally, as the GM I look to cut or move the following players....

Kendall
Smoot
Rogers (for picks)
Betts (for picks)
Thrash
Taylor (If he won't take less money)
Carter

I AM SICWIDIT, THE GM and I approved this post.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 29, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

I think the Jets should fire there personnel guy he is the one that got Favre, who is not that good anymore.

Who do you think they make a run at?

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

"When the season was on the line, they had no offense to speak of. Nothing."

Give it to JC's legs. They did one hell of a job the last few games. A lone bright spot. Makes me think JC has the potential (*potential*, mind you) to be a Randall Cunningham. Deep pass threat, great improviser, and a pretty good punter. Okay, well, JC can't do that last one.

No Haynesworth. Idiotic.

Posted by: WorstSeat | December 29, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

You people need to stop playing Madden.
People are going to trade picks for players just because YOU don't want them anymore. (Unless it's the Redskins)

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 29, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs left this team better off than how he found it that is for sure. It's cap problems weren't as bad, it had made the playoffs twice in 3 years (One more time than the previous 13 years without him)

Was he perfect? No. But I think anyone would be hard pressed to find reasons why this team is worse off after Gibbs.

Posted by: Gweez | December 29, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

I'll take this one....

Gibbs gets too much of a pass with this team. Gibbs was the President of the team, so I lay a lot of this on him. Yeah we eeked out two playoff appearances, the problem is he overcommitted to veteran players and (allong with Dan and Vinny) allowed this team to get old. They always thought they were one player away. Gibbs didn't play young players and didn't value the draft.

"Jesus Joe" Gibbs gets some of this blame too. This is the same mediocre team his came in with in 2004.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 29, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

riley, have you seen this offense??

You betcha I have.

Players who do not make catches and do not get the ball thrown to them are either
1) not open
2) not where they should be on the field

3) have not earned the trust from the quarterback and coach because of consistently being 1) or 2)

Posted by: driley | December 29, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I'll take this one....

Gibbs gets too much of a pass with this team. Gibbs was the President of the team, so I lay a lot of this on him. Yeah we eeked out two playoff appearances, the problem is he overcommitted to veteran players and (allong with Dan and Vinny) allowed this team to get old. They always thought they were one player away. Gibbs didn't play young players and didn't value the draft.

"Jesus Joe" Gibbs gets some of this blame too. This is the same mediocre team his came in with in 2004.
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ding, ding, ding.

thanks!!!!

Posted by: kone | December 29, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Flound, you could see Mangini getting the axe 3 miles away...all that money they spent this offseason....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 29, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs gets too much of a pass with this team. Gibbs was the President of the team, so I lay a lot of this on him. Yeah we eeked out two playoff appearances, the problem is he overcommitted to veteran players and (allong with Dan and Vinny) allowed this team to get old. They always thought they were one player away. Gibbs didn't play young players and didn't value the draft.

"Jesus Joe" Gibbs gets some of this blame too. This is the same mediocre team his came in with in 2004.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 29, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

I'm not into canonizing Joe but can you say this team is worse off? Is it better off? Was our Cap situation better off? Was our win/loss better off? Was our stability better off? I have to answer yes to all those.

Could he have done a better job? Yes of course he could have but don't tell me we are worse off for having Gibbs when he was handed a team from Steve Spurrier.

Posted by: Gweez | December 29, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Kendall
Smoot
Rogers (for picks)
Betts (for picks)
Thrash
Taylor (If he won't take less money)
Carter
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Any reason Jansen and ARE aren't on your list?


Posted by: kone | December 29, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Who do you think they make a run at?

Posted by: Flounder-21 | December 29, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

I dunno about the FO guy, but I could see Spaggs as a great choice for HC. Bringing in a coordinator from the Giants (knows the area and what type of ball works in that cities weather and stuff, I think that is greatly undervalued).

Posted by: alex35332 | December 29, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

A tandem running attack distinguished most of the division team leaders from the mediocre teams. We need to incorporate other players more into the running game, or get another back, or something.

Posted by: Josh7 | December 29, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Was the NYJ another situation where a HC was given a QB and told, "here you go, win"?

Favre was not very good. Period.

Posted by: kone | December 29, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

"We need to incorporate other players more into the running game"

Yup, into the running game, the passing game, the OL, the DL. Too many times, guys were lingering on the bench and should have been in the game.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 29, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I really don't get why people are talking like they want Carlos Rogers gone. Him and DHall in the backfield for years could be a great foundation for one of the best secondaries in the league, FOR YEARS. He's young and talented, that's JUST what this football team needs.

First Leigh Torrence, now this!?! Joking, but seriously, why would you wanna get rid of him? DHall will regress next year, and Carlos will stay the stable, very good corner he is who drops a buncha picks.

And why do we even wanna break up our secondary? I like Rogers, Hall, and Smoot back there, and Springs. We have probably THE worst pass rush in the league and look how our D has performed overall. That's because of the secondary. That's the last place on the team we should be looking to make changes.

Hell, I say keep 'em all.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 29, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

A tandem running attack distinguished most of the division team leaders from the mediocre teams. We need to incorporate other players more into the running game, or get another back, or something.
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100% completely agree but very tough to do w/ Portis. Takes a HC with gonads and a FO supporting him.

Posted by: kone | December 29, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Flounder,

I'm saying that Denver will be looking for a head coach.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

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If that happens, I'm jumping all over the "Hire Shanahan" bandwagon.

Posted by: psps23 | December 29, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Simple fix- fire Cerrato and get on a plane to New England with a bag of cash.

Maybe I would put my name back on the list for season tix- but until this team is run by a football guy you don't get anymore of my money.

Posted by: Therub | December 29, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

riley, agree to disagree on the pass catchers. So Moss and Cooley are always open, and always run a perfect route? Sorry, I'm not buying that.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 29, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

"I've said it before and I'll say it again, NO player on the field can affect the game like the QB so if the O sucks it has more to do with him than anyone.

Posted by: Gweez"

"so if the O sucks it has more to do with him than anyone."

Except the coach.

Posted by: psps23 | December 29, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I would say bring in an experienced WCO OC and let Zorn work with the QB's

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 7:37 AM

Do you think that is really an option? If you listened to JZ when he forst came in, it was all about calling the plays.

Therefore, there won't bbe any changes involving the playcalling unless Zorn is fired.....

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 29, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

Thats what I mean they spent a lot of money, but I think it was spent very poorly. Favre was a major mistake.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Do you think that is really an option? If you listened to JZ when he forst came in, it was all about calling the plays.

Therefore, there won't bbe any changes involving the playcalling unless Zorn is fired.....

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 29, 2008 9:39 AM |

Well then maybe that needs to happen, this offense is terrible and if he can't see that, then he is not qualified to be a HC.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Offseason remedy:

Release Springs, Taylor, Marcus, Griff.

Let Fabini and Kendall walk.

Sign Hall AND Rogers.

Move Daniels to DT and Sign Julius Peppers.

Trade our #13 for 2 2nd rounders and pick up Duke Robinson and Max Unger. Sign another cheap FA OT. Jansen is out. Heyer becomes Samuels backup. Im sorry, but neither of them are good.

Sign TJ Housh, Lance Moore, or Devry Henderson.

Next year starters: JC, 26, Samuels (heyer), Duke (rhino), Unger (Rabach), Thomas, FA (jansen). Moss, TJ, Thomas, Kelly, ARE, Thrash. CC, Davis.

Landry, Horton, Rogers, Hall. Smoot 3rd corner. Peppers, Carter, Daniels, rotation of Lorenzo/Wilson/Monty/Golston. London, Rocky, Drafted LB. (Or get Suggs).

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 29, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

A tandem running attack distinguished most of the division team leaders from the mediocre teams. We need to incorporate other players more into the running game, or get another back, or something.
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100% completely agree but very tough to do w/ Portis. Takes a HC with gonads and a FO supporting him.


Posted by: kone | December 29, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

AMEN!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 29, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

That's what Jasno did in his column this morning. He said that Gibbs built a win-now team, trading off the future. It was a good column he wrote.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

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Which is precisely why this past offseason was (is) so important. At least Gibbs had a plan as to where he wanted this team to go. Vinny doesn't strike me in that way.

Posted by: psps23 | December 29, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Sign TJ Housh, Lance Moore, or Devry Henderson.

ryp, was with you 1000% up til this line.

TJ is gonna get big money, so no thanks. The other two I'm not sure about either.
It has to be priority #1 that Thomas/Kelly/Davis are 1000% more involved in this offense next season.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 29, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

beep beep...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 29, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

An idea that the skins should look at next year, why not go with a 2 QB set if we can? Baltimore gets a ton of yards doing that 3 or so times a game.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 29, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

riley, agree to disagree on the pass catchers. So Moss and Cooley are always open, and always run a perfect route? Sorry, I'm not buying that.

Posted by: BeantownGreg

Moss and Cooley are usually double covered.
Which should leave single coverage on the second WR, but since ARE is not a legimate second WR and the alternatives have not been able to even beat him out that leaves us with a non productive passing game. Cerrato drafted those guys to have an impact in 2008. It is their responsibiliy to beat out the incumbent players at their positions. Their failure to do so speaks volumes about their ability to contribute.

Posted by: driley | December 29, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

I haven't heard anyone in the media point out how stupid it was for the Redskins to call an immediate timeout on 4th down with a little over a minute left. We could have run a bunch of time off the clock. Or more likely, we could have forced a San Fran timout. This easily could have been the difference in the game! And it probably was Zorn's mistake. And apparently no one has noticed it.
Thanks.

Posted by: dwyersteve | December 29, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Offseason remedy:

Release Springs, Taylor, Marcus, Griff.

Let Fabini and Kendall walk.

Sign Hall AND Rogers.

Move Daniels to DT and Sign Julius Peppers.

Trade our #13 for 2 2nd rounders and pick up Duke Robinson and Max Unger. Sign another cheap FA OT. Jansen is out. Heyer becomes Samuels backup. Im sorry, but neither of them are good.

Sign TJ Housh, Lance Moore, or Devry Henderson.

Next year starters: JC, 26, Samuels (heyer), Duke (rhino), Unger (Rabach), Thomas, FA (jansen). Moss, TJ, Thomas, Kelly, ARE, Thrash. CC, Davis.

Landry, Horton, Rogers, Hall. Smoot 3rd corner. Peppers, Carter, Daniels, rotation of Lorenzo/Wilson/Monty/Golston. London, Rocky, Drafted LB. (Or get Suggs).

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Once again....people stop playing Madden.
Wanna throw MORE money at the problem...and start two rookie OL's?

Vinny are you posting on the boards now?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 29, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

There's a whole lot of stupid on the Redskins Insider Blog. A few things:

1. Holy hell, give Jim Zorn more than one season.
2. Holy hell version 2.0, give Vinny Cerrato more than one draft with the keys to the organization.
3. Holy hell version 3.0, give Jason Campbell more than one season in the West Coast offense. How did Matt Hasselbeck do in his first season with Jim Zorn's offense??
4. Holy hell version 4.0, give our rookie WRs another season before labeling them "busts". DeSean Jackson and Eddie Royal are the exceptions, not the rule. The lights don't come on for most WRs until the THIRD season. So be patient.

And what is with all the people that say "we are a few draft picks, a few free agent signings from nothing but MEDIOCRITY". Oh man that makes my blood boil. Do you guys have any idea how quickly fortunes change for franchises in the NFL? Look no further than the Ravens, Dolphins and Falcons. If those teams can go from 5-11, 1-15 and 4-12 respectively to playoff teams, there's no reason the Redskins can't go from 8-8 to 11-5 or even better next year.

The sky is not falling; the Redskins are not one of the league's perennial doormats. We've had just one losing campaign in the past four seasons. Get a grip people. Yes I understand that we demand more (I certainly do) but we have to give the Jim Zorn regime ample time.

And I don't want to hear any "Colt Brennan is the future of the franchise" nonsense either. Okay I am done now.

Posted by: honed | December 29, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Thank you. Although I am all for firing Vinny if he doesn't get this draft right (i.e., line heavy). His first time around wasn't exactly star-studded either.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 29, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

MAN LOVE for Rock and critical comments about Portis. Wow, we've never read that before.

Posted by: dcwun | December 29, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Don't sign Haynesworth, his name wasn't heard until last year (contract year) and this year (another contract year because he can't be franchised again). Would be a bad move.

Posted by: tonyc | December 29, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

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