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Monday Morning H-Back

Last week, I said that even if the Skins committed three turnovers or more and made some boneheaded mistakes against the Rams, they could/should still win. As it turns out, that if they had defended that third-and-13 in the final minute, they would have done just that. We also talked about how, if the Rams were going to have a shot, special teams would have to be huge. Well, teams were the difference in the game.

The punter was terrible, to the point where he was a major plotline. I feel bad for the kid getting booed loudly and ripped by his teammates on the sidelines, but the Redskins have to make a change. Otherwise, something like this will affect morale after a while. You can re-sign the kid in the offseason and try again if you like - I don't see teams clamoring to sign him to a multi-year deal - but right now, with a slim margin of victory or defeat most weeks, the team needs a guy who can punt 42 yards with some height and consistency. Let Brooks regain his form on his own.

The lack of any receptions by the second-round draft picks hurt, too. Teams are back to doubling Santana Moss - 2 catches for 22 yards the past two weeks - and Devin Thomas/Malcolm Kelly were supposed to be complimentary deep guys and pitch in, at least in certain spots. That production does not exist. The draft class represents about 20 percent of the active roster, and besides Horton it's been essentially zip.

Before we get into the carnage, let's give props to Jason Campbell. If the Skins hadn't given up that late bomb, we'd be talking about how JC led another fourth-quarter comeback. He completed 66 percent of his passes on a day when pass protection was woeful at times (the Jansen/Heyer dilemma is a tough one) and losing Chris Samuels, even for a game or two, to that knee sprain would be a massive loss now.

Campbell posted a 93.1 passer rating, managed to hang onto the ball despite getting nailed a few times, and wasn't shaken by the bad snap from Casey Rabach. He remains the only regular starting QB in the NFL without an interception. He made some huge plays with his feet again on third down. The kid is for real.

Obviously, the three turnovers were massive - especially when one is returned to the house when you have a chance to effectively put the game away. But aside from the scoreboard, the turnovers hurt the Skins just in terms of what they could accomplish offensively. They ran just 57 offensive plays, after averaging 66 plays per game over the first five games. That's like giving a series away, and explains why JC didn't get a chance to attempt more passes.

Jim Zorn should be applauded for sticking with the run game even when behind, and blowing up the Rams ends at the point of attack. Clinton Portis was a beast, and it looked like Skins cerca 2005 in the second half. What Jansen gives in the running game - the power stuff off right tackle was downright unstoppable at times - he taketh away in pass protection (like when Campbell was sacked and fumbled, with Antwaan Randle El making a great recovery). I'm going to call myself out on this one and say I was wrong: they should go back to Heyer, especially if Samuels isn't gonna be 100 percent on that other side.

In the end, it will hard for the Skins to stomach losing a game at home to a winless team, and doing so despite winning time of possession, out-rushing the Rams by 105 yards, holding them to eight first downs (29 percent on third-down conversions) and limiting a Pro Bowl QB to a 72 rating. The Skins seemed flat and a step slow on offense from the onset. They didn't have that throat-grabbing swagger.

The one area the Rams did win was the pass rush, on both sides. They got to Campbell for long stretches - another reason why pounding the ball on the ground made sense - and also did a fine job picking up the blitz. Greg Blache called a totally different game Sunday, using pressure consistently, and far too often it didn't get the desired result. Jason Taylor played more than I thought he might, and even with the Rams using back-up tackles most of the game, and Taylor and Andre Carter flopping sides regularly, the pass rush was flat.

Shawn Springs got it done on the blitz - a huge play that could have helped win the game; it was the first time Springs was deployed since his six-sack season in 2004 - but Chris Horton whiffed too often. Two sacks on a high-pressure day like that wasn't enough (though it did help stuff the run game).

And when Marc Bulger did flinch a bit, throwing up errant passes, LaRon Landry and London Fletcher let him off the hook. The lack of a second safety really strong in coverage limits the Skins, because this was another game in which I thought Landry could have delivered the knock-out blow if playing near the line of scrimmage (and those huge hits have been too few and far between to this point).

And then sprinkle in the special-teams breakdowns - two long returns from Dante Hall to open the second half, silly special-teams penalties - and you've got an ugly L. The Rams' average start on kickoffs was the 34; the Skins' was the 21. The Rams tried like heck to give this thing back with a string of numbing false starts, penalties, personal fouls (watching this Saunders offense struggle with all shifting and motion all day was causing nasty flashbacks) but they emerged with their first victory of the season, anyway.

The Skins have blown so many tough ones at home in recent years - losing to a woeful Oakland team in '05, a winless Titans team in '06 - and this one is right there with them, especially considering how well the previous four weeks had gone. No one can avoid turnovers forever, though, and the football gods certainly struck Sunday.

By Jason La Canfora  |  October 13, 2008; 8:20 AM ET
 
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Comments

I'm not sure how much I agree with the assessment that Washington stuck with the run. Throughout most of the game the team was averaging over 5 yards per carry on the ground and only about 6 yards per attempt through the air. Even with that split the Skins continued to throw the ball in key spots when a run probably would have gotten the job done (3rd and 1 comes to mind especially).

I understand having to mix up the run and pass on a tough defense that is consistently stuffing the box. The skins backs however, could do no wrong. Even with the ease with which holes were opening up along the line, until that 4th quarter touchdown drive which included 5 carries for 37 yards, the run game was secondary to the pass. If the pass was supposed to be favored then Heyer should have been in and Janson out. While I still have faith in Zorn, I'd like to see this addressed.

Posted by: rlaskey | October 13, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

So if Samuels is questionable and limited in practice over the next two weeks, won't Heyer have to switch over to LT (assuming he's healthy enough to practice)?
I agree that Brooks has had his chance. It's time to make a switch.

Posted by: daggar | October 13, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

I feel bad for the fans paying to watch Brooks.....f-Brooks

Posted by: doke1 | October 13, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

This game shows you how crucial turnovers are in this league. If you cough it up you will lose to anyone...even the terrible Rams.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 13, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

I'm assuming that since Saunders know the QB and O line so well, that was a big plus in the Rams D getting to Campbell.

But this loss just sucks! We were in scoring range when Cooley turned the ball over and in scoring range when Kendall turned the ball over. Team just went flat after that.

At least the "no turnover" talk will cease.

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 13, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Over all a solid breakdown of what went wrong Jason. Good job not taking "shots" when not necessary.

The punting situation is a problem, but let's not lose sight of the fact that the coverage has been terrible as well, seems to be no discipline in keeping their lanes on both punts and kickoffs, too many missed tackles.

And I was also disappointed in the pass rush, the Skins should have been able to get to Bulger more than they did, still got some pressure, but not enough hits on him.

And I agree with the idea that the coaches need to really start pushing the rookie WRs, the idea that a defense can take away ONE GUY FROM THE OFFENSE(Moss) and there is nobody else to go to in order to make plays down the field is a bad one. Zorn and Stan HIxon (WRs coach) need to push these and get 'me moving forward NOW.

JC is this team's long term answer at QB, and Portis is a beast, with those 2 spots playing as well as they are, the team around them needs to raise their level of play.

One bad loss, but it will hopefully prove to be a very healthy one in terms of lessons to be learned.

Posted by: craig2 | October 13, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

What's up with all the hate on our draft class?

Stay Medium JLa.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

I'll take this wake up call over what happened to the cowboys any day, if we get lucky and NY looses, our team got its refocusing without us loosing much ground, with the Cowboys deteriorating meanwhile.

and be patient with Brooks, he's the kind of guy who will figure it out any week, and start hitting bombs, he has the chance to be a game changing punter, even though he doesnt deserve it, he should get more time.

Posted by: DaFunBunch | October 13, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

I hope we got the ridiculous turnovers out of our system. This is not a game we should have lost and it just stinks. It's not the end of the world though and we need to rebound. There's a lesson about taking everyone seriously in this league. We are a good football team, just not as good as we think we are.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 13, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

The Skins absolutely stuck to the run. What F-ing game were you watching? It seemed to me the Skins were "taking what the D gave them". Rams D wasnt allowing downfield passing, especially to Moss. Skins have got to find a way to get him open or other WR's. Downfield passing game is being shut down for the 2nd straight week.
As for Brooks, its not time to "make a change" as in cut him. Its definitely time to bring in some competition. Who the F is "paying to watch Brooks" ? F the fans who pay for tickets to "watch Brooks" Who the F pays to watch a punter? F-ing moron.
Saunders doesnt know the O line or QB in a way that helped the Rams get to JC. Saunders didnt know his offense when he was here. He tried to cram his BS play calling down the offenses throat, totally ignoring his players strengths and weaknesses. The offense is different, obviously with Zorn running the show in DC now. The only thing that was the same when Saunders was here is the run game. And that worked pretty F-ing good. You people are being complete morons today so far. And yes Im pissed about losing this game. The only consolation is that little d lost in Arizona. A team the Skins beat.

Posted by: TonyButterFingersHomo1 | October 13, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

I'll take this wake up call...

Posted by: DaFunBunch | October 13, 2008 8:58 AM

Not sure how you can call this "a wakeup call" when we seemed to be awake for the 4 previous games. This was a lesson.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 13, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

That's not hate, that's an accurate assessment of the rookie class. This team needs the rooks to step-up if the Redskins are going to take it to the next level, particularly the offensive guys and Brooks (if he's still on the team next week).

Posted by: psps23 | October 13, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

You people are being complete morons today so far. And yes Im pissed about losing this game. The only consolation is that little d lost in Arizona. A team the Skins beat.

Posted by: TonyButterFingersHomo1 | October 13, 2008 8:59 AM

What do you mean by "you people"...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 13, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

So if the Skins were hearing all the good talk about them being 4-1 after beating little d and philly on the road, and this led to the team thinking they could show up and win yesterday.... did they not also hear all the talk/media stories whole f-ing week about how this was a "trap game" and that the team needs to show up expecting to be challenged? Obviously they listen to media coverage, so did they have selective hearing or what? Because all I heard all week was how they better f-ing show up to play and not expect to coast through this home game. And what did they do? .... exactly.

Posted by: TonyButterFingersHomo1 | October 13, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

You people are being complete morons today so far. And yes Im pissed about losing this game. The only consolation is that little d lost in Arizona. A team the Skins beat.

Posted by: TonyButterFingersHomo1 | October 13, 2008 8:59 AM

What do you mean by "you people"...

I mean people like you who dont know what "you people" means.

Posted by: TonyButterFingersHomo1 | October 13, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Trying to be medium, but this is incredibly hard to stomach after the ultra-highs of the past few weeks. We need to beat the hell out of Cleveland and Detroit.

Posted by: brian71490 | October 13, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Canfora is definitely reaching to attack the draft class. Rightfully so with Brooks performance and the lack of #11 and #12 not contributing. But why is he attacking this aspect of the team so much? Because its Vinny's deal. He's trying to make Vinny look bad in whatever way he can so that he can try to vindicate his attempt to F the SKins out f draft picks by calling the league office and suggesting the team was tampering. F jlc. F his annoying use of words like "schlub". F his fat a$$ glasses wearing, b-more rooting for, Redskins hating fat a$$. F his use of Gibbs terms like "up here" and referring to special teams as "teams". Only Gibbs can do that j la. Not you, you fat F^ck. Did I mention he was fat? Also, did I mention this loss has me in a foul mood this AM? There, I think I got it all out and feel better now. Oh yeah, F dALLAS!!!

Posted by: TonyButterFingersHomo1 | October 13, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

What's up with all the hate on our draft class?

Stay Medium JLa.........

Posted by: 4thFloor

4th you know he was coming with that the first chance he got. Especially since he team got rolled yesterday.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 13, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

As a caucasian lower-middle class male, I am offended by the term "you people" and request an apology or I will find someone who can make decisions for all white people to take you and your company to court.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 13, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

As a caucasian lower-middle class male, I am offended by the term "you people" and request an apology or I will find someone who can make decisions for all white people to take you and your company to court.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 13, 2008 9:20 AM |

F- you thetruth11. And f you and your people.

Nice point JM220, his team did get its balls snipped by the Colts yesterday. He's in a draft class hating mood this morning as Im in an F-you people kinda mood.

Posted by: TonyButterFingersHomo1 | October 13, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully this loss is a blessing in disguise and gets this team refocused. I kind of wished that Jason Campbell would have thrown an INT yesterday as well just to kill all the talk of him being the only regular starting QB without an INT. We need to divide the regular season into 4 - 4 game seasons and set a goal of going 3-1 in each one. I think we'll be alright. If you told me we would be 4-2 at this point this season, I would have told you that you're crazy.

Let's see how this team rebounds next week. I think they'll take care of the Browns.

Posted by: Skins1 | October 13, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

obviously a brutal loss, but can we PLEASE keep things in perspective?

4-2 (w/ 2 division wins and 2 possible tiebreakers over other wildcard contenders) is not a bad place to be.

the pass rush, punting, and lack of production from hte rookie wr's are legit concerns, but you have to believe zorn & co. are aware of the issues and going to work on them.

i hope ths doesnt loss doesnt come back to bit us in decemeber, and i think coming out next week and giving it to cleveland will help.

5-1 would have been nice, but EVERYONE of the loyal readers on the thread would've taken 4-2 at the beginning of the season.


Finally, things could be worse. We could be dallas fans this morning....ouch.

Posted by: rambo2000 | October 13, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse


Beware angry team:
Wounded Rams make poor patsies!
Skins' test: stay focused.

Posted by: HaikuMan | October 12, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: HaikuMan | October 13, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Truth got the joke, homo1, not so much. What a dick.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 13, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

All I'm saying is you can't rip them every other week and say they suck, then say they did well the next. And so on.....

Also, history shows that you shouldn't expect much from rookie 'pass catchers' their 1st year. Atleast not for the 1st half of the season.........

I saw #86 in the game a few times also. He just needs to work on his blocking.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Skins1, Zorn has already done that. He said last week that he is viewing the season in terms of "quarters" and the Eagles game was the first game of the second quarter.

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 13, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

What's up with all the hate on our draft class?

Stay Medium JLa.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm............other than Horton, find one of them that has done a thing positive on the field this year?

Posted by: virtueandvice | October 13, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

had bad feeling about this one so didn't mind TiVo'ing game from ridiculously overpriced NFL ticket and took free tic's for Bears\Falcons game. But man, as I sat there watching the out-of-town scoreboard for updates--(nothing eles in GA Dome--felt HELPLESS!!), saw reskins 7 rams 3 and a very long 1rst Q it seems in FedEx, I got sicker and sicker 'cause I knew it musta been happening--especially when it went rams 16 skins 7. Even when score changed to skins 17 rams 16 felt sick they wouldn't hold.

Repeat after me: This was a trap game--repeat--A TRAP GAME--and they were caught and couldn't get away. Time to stop looking ahead at schedules and deploy the old boring approach of one game at a time. Even todays Boswell column he's already looking ahead and saying they better be 6--2 at midpoint, counting browns & lions as victories. STOP IT! ONE FRIEKIN GAME AT A TIME!!!!!! Thats what succeeded the last 4 weeks.........enough of the counting victories--if you think that had nothing to do w\yesterday, you're smokin something.......

Posted by: tabtool | October 13, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

It's not a disaster, but addressing concerns isn't a "disastrous" point of view either. I am NOT one of JLC's supporters, NEVER HAVE BEEN, NEVER WILL BE, but I didn't take hit post as over the line. Moss is a target for every team we face, another WR needs to step up and make plays downfield(get open and create another threat) in order for JC's arm continue to open the holes for Portis. Zorn did a great of job of sticking with the run when they were stuffing it pretty well early on. Defenses will have to be convinced fresh every week that JC can beat them if they stack the box, JC did that again yesterday and Portis had room in the second half and took advantage of it, guys been a beast late in games, and this was another example of that.

Brooks SHOULD NOT BE CUT. But they do need to get in the guys head, his issues are mind games, handling the pressure. But coverage teams aren't doing much to help the guy either, even with a bad punt, they STILL need to maintain their lanes and MAKE TACKLES.

The coaches all have some work to do today, but none of what we saw yesterday could be considered an "inherent" problem(things that CAN'T get fixed), they just need to get to work, and STAY at work.

Moss with 2 more easily catchable balls too, and he dropped them, that crap doesn't help either.

the little things are what makes good teams great, they need to get it done ALL THE TIME.

Posted by: craig2 | October 13, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Brooks, You don't have to go home but you can't punt here...

Posted by: tdskinz | October 13, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

HaikuMan's genius truly knows no bounds.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | October 13, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I wasn't able to see the game yesterday, but from the look of the stats and such, it doesn't seem like we played all that terrible. It looked like JC was efficient yet again, Portis was killing the defense yet again, and the defense was stifling for the most part. It looked like the offensive line was beat in pass-protection (a weakness with Jansen in the game), and from what I hear, the special teams was awful (another weakness that's showed itself all year). I could be completely wrong, but from what I read it doesn't actually seem like the skins fell into the "trap". It seemed like the Redskins got extremely unlucky on the Kendall fumble, and the weaknesses (pass-protection and special teams) caught up to the skins. These are things that needs to be addressed, and not just blown off as a simple "we played down to our opponent". Because to me, the stats do not suggest that we did.

Feel free to rip me if I'm wrong on that.

Posted by: psps23 | October 13, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: CindyBoren | October 13, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: HaikuMan

Nice job Haikuman!
Your comments; spot on they are
The pain somewhat eased.


I sound like Yoda. I need a tiny stick to smack people with. That would ease the pain!

Posted by: will_ga | October 13, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Don't like the way the injuries look,hopefully they will be ready for the Brown's they will be on a short week with tonite's game against the Giant's. It is important that the Skins put yesterday's loss in its proper perspective and MOVE ON!!.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 13, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

such bs, so depressing...don't even wanna talk about the game...missed opportunities all day.

Posted by: bms46and2 | October 13, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

This blog is so confused on the difference between "your ripping the team and a hater and hurting my feelings" and honest analysis of football situations.

Since we now know the redskins are not going to go 15-1, and be the perfect team with no visible flaws many people puffed their chest out about last week, I think taking a look at aspects of the team that are not as far along as others is legit.

Enough of this "you/he" is a hater stuff, its makes us seem like we are 8 year olds fighting in a sandbox.

So...

- I think it is very legit to wonder about the draft class. The defensive players are contributing. I would love to see Rob Jackson more. In 2 of our wins Devin Thomas was in the game and it helped. ARE stepped up yesterday with some big catches, but our lack of our 3rd WR option (and I mean WR not TE) is a problem. Thrash is trash at this point and its depressing that we don't have a young hungry option there.

- I am never backing off my assertion that Fred Davis was an unwise pick. It simply did not make sense.

- We are not rushing the passer well/enough/effectively. Notice I didnt say "sack". Blache is my dawg, stats are overrated...but QBs are getting comfortable in games, and as good as our secondary has been, its leaving them on an island to much over 16 games to rely that they will make the play. We have to find a way to rattle/hit/force mistakes from the oppossing QBs. Look how even yesterday the pressure on Campbell affected the Skins, killed drives, changed our game plan.

- Heyer/Jansen is a real puzzle as good as each is at their strength they are at their weakness.

- Brooks. Another dilema. Wow I dont have an answer. I would DEF bring in some dudes for try out this week. But the bad punts are coming pretty consistently.

- Our Def should be doing ball catching drills until their hands are bruised. The two dropped INTs were huge yesterday. Fletcher rulz, but think of the impact on his dropped INT would have been yesterday to open the second half.

- scamp is money. This was a lesson not a wake up. But lessons turn into bad trends if they are not learned.

- Over all I am still very siked about the team, zorn, JC, Blache. I still think this can be a fun season!

- Stay medium!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 13, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Afraid this game was a trap for us. Rams w/new coach coming off bye week. Saunders coming back. Agree Brooks needs to go. Don't understand Torrence's mouth with coach Hanslett. Then his defense(or lack of) cost us game. I say get rid of he and Brooks. Hopefully this will be a wake-up call to the team and we don't overlook next 2 games. Don't want to be there first wins also.

Posted by: billymac1 | October 13, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I don't think JLC is trashing Vinny by pointing out that none of his 2nd through 4th round picks are making any contributions. Thomas/Kelly have done next to nothing and its sad to see James Thrash as a 3rd down receiver at this point in his career. The pick of Fred Davis was a throw away given he'll never get any real PT as long as Cooley is here. We needed help on both lines and instead wasted early picks on two WR's and a TE. The lineman picked in the 3rd Rhinehart and the 4th round pick Tryon (who should have been cut) are generally inactive on gameday.

Take away the fine contributions from Horton who looks like he may be a long term starter and the draft yielded nothing. Rookies are contributing all over the league and you can't say Vinny didn't have his full compliment of picks. It may be too early to call Thomas or Kelly busts, but there were questions about the attitude of one (Thomas) and the brittlenss of the other (Kelly). Deshawn Jackson was available when Thomas was picked and would have solved both our 3rd receiver and punt returner issues.

Vinny need to be held accountable regardless of whether the Skins make the playoffs this year. The draft up to this point has been pitiful and no FA's were signed to add depth on the lines or the secondary.

Posted by: wizfan89 | October 13, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I guess, all in all, it was a good thing to lose a game before we got too high on ourselves.

I was a defender of Brooks but now see that need to swap into just "competence"--forget excellence.

As a fan the really upsetting thing is that I beleive that specific PLAYERS lack the professionalism to keep their focus. Through a few head coaches now we have this persistent focus problem on "should win" games--we seem to be everybody's "get well" team in a crisis (TEN, NYG last year, STL) . . . maybe we can come to the reality that some of these talented players (and we do have talent)are too happy to collect a paycheck in the NFL, say the right things duing the week, then just do a "good job" on Sunday. We don't have enough "Zorns" on the field that despise losing so much they can't seem to accept it until that last second is registered on the clock. New coach . . same story . .it some of these specific players.

And while I am at it, i want a d**m blowout of the Browns. We have the ability to do that and we need to show an attitude like NE when they pulverized us. And frankly, the fans expect it and should get that level of intensity and effort. We pay the d**m bills!

Posted by: Cookie4 | October 13, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

TonyButterFingersHomo1

Canfora is definitely reaching to attack the draft class. Rightfully so with Brooks performance and the lack of #11 and #12 not contributing. But why is he attacking this aspect of the team so much? Because its Vinny's deal. He's trying to make Vinny look bad in whatever way he can so that he can try to vindicate his attempt to F the SKins out f draft picks by calling the league office and suggesting the team was tampering. F jlc. F his annoying use of words like "schlub". F his fat a$$ glasses wearing, b-more rooting for, Redskins hating fat a$$. F his use of Gibbs terms like "up here" and referring to special teams as "teams". Only Gibbs can do that j la. Not you, you fat F^ck. Did I mention he was fat? Also, did I mention this loss has me in a foul mood this AM? There, I think I got it all out and feel better now. Oh yeah, F dALLAS!!!

PLEASE BAN THIS little man (boy)

Posted by: johnbear1 | October 13, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE BAN THIS little man (boy)

Posted by: johnbear1 | October 13, 2008 12:55 PM

f u jon boy. Thats all you got?

Posted by: TonyButterFingersHomo1 | October 13, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

wizfan89, Vinny is criticizing the draft class, and rightfully so. But to think that he's not aiming some negative thoughts into these consistant criticisms is naive. Especially after what he did. As far as your take that it "may be too early" to consider Thomas/Kelley busts.. wtf are you an idiot? Yes, it absolutely IS too early, not maybe. We're 6 games in here genious. Then you go on to second guess the WR picks... ??? Hindsight is always 20/20 son. There are some ppl in here with valid opinions that regularly bring interesting insight, but then there are also idiots like this. It makes it worse when you ramble on like an idiot for a whole paragraph as opposed to being like the 1 line morons who post here (ie: "cut brooks!")

Posted by: TonyButterFingersHomo1 | October 13, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

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