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Monday Morning H-Back

The Detroit Lions are who we thought they were. They are 0-7 with a bullet, brothers and sisters. A performance like Sunday's, against any other operation, and the Skins lose. That Detroit defense is a joke. The Skins could back up to third-and-30 and still pick up first downs when they had to. You don't overcome the holding penalties and personal fouls against decent football teams. Teams with anything going for them don't allow that bizarre drive at the end of the half with the long field goal.

Skins commit a hold to negate a 19-yard gain, back themselves up to their own 9 inside the two-minute warning, then have an offensive pass interference wipe out a 17-yard gain. On the drive the Skins faced second-and-19, second-and-27, third-and-19, first-and-20, first-and-15 ... and still picked up four first downs, moved 58 yards on eight plays in 2:22 and connected on a 47-yard field goal at the end of the half.

Rod Marinelli must have wanted to gather his entire defense on the sideline and do his best impression of Jim Zorn ripping Durant Brooks/Clinton Portis. Yikes. That's bad football.

As we always say, you take the ugly win every time, but the time will be coming soon when winning ugly won't be as easy. It's been a while since we've seen a sound, disciplined outing on all phases of play, and should the Redskins continue the penalty/turnover/miscue fest against the Steelers, they could get embarrassed on national TV Monday night.

As for the game, you guys tell me how a team could compile the following statistical domination in the opening half and yet trail:

The Skins outgained the Lions 250-90, held the ball for 21:27, ran 39 plays to just 19 for the Lions and Detroit completed just three passes. Well, the six penalties for 48 yards sure had a lot to do with it, and the shoddy pass protection - which led to sacks and fumbles - didn't help, and the lack of pass rush/turnovers from the defense - against a team as hell-bent on imploding as the Lions are - doesn't help, either. And the Skins getting six points out of three trips to the red zone, and the Lions getting 14 out of their two trips goes a long way to explaining the situation as well.

It's clear there are a few issues that need to be corrected here at the midpoint. On offense, all of a sudden it's impossible to score more than a TD or two a game.
They have to finish drives, and the litany of errors around the goal line on that opening dive was brutal (Skins also became the only team to allow the Lions to score in the first quarter all season, off that turnover; it was 55-0 entering the game). Santana Moss's individual brilliance, coupled with what was essentially a statistically perfect outing from Jason Campbell, was enough to overcome the collective malaise.

On defense, the sacks/turnovers quotient is going to have to be there to win games in January. It's vital. Carlos Rogers is playing like a total stud, but those dropped INTs are the difference between putting inferior teams away early, and playing another four-quarter battle royale. If Jason Taylor is indeed playing at 60 percent as he says he is, then save him from himself and play someone else until he is healthy. The procedure he is supposed to have might end up doing that for the Redskins, but especially with Cornelius Griffin coming back and Demetric Evans not having to play as much at tackle, give Demetric Evans the bulk of the snaps at right end. He's thriving and had another excellent game yesterday. Taylor needs to sit.

On special teams, the penalties are crippling. LaRon Landry's diving block in the back directly in front of an official was flawlessly executed (he's beginning to fall into the penalty rut that was a big issue in his rookie season). There seems to be at least a few potentially-damning teams penalties each week. And the punting game needs to become more consistent. I think Ryan Plackemeier will be okay in that regard.

As for the game itself, I thought that Zorn was just being Zorn in the sideline thing with Portis. That's who he is and I think it was great of him to seize the moment and express how he feels. And I also think it's hardly that big a deal and is the kind of thing that happens all the time in this league. Would the previous coach ever have dreamed of doing it? No way, but he also gave Portis special treatment. The rest of the coaches and players knew it, and that's why Zorn handling his issues with Portis in the same direct manner he would have with Brooks or anyone else was well received.

That's football, folks. People get angry and coaches expect and demand certain things. Then the moment passes, you feed the guy the ball and you move on.

The game again had the feel of the Gibbs-led Skins. Zorn favored the run and didn't take too many shots, it again had the look of the Gibbs offense and not the typical West Coast approach (power running, deeper drops for Campbell), just with a few more multi-receiver sets. Some of the constant issues from Gibbs 2.0 are cropping up with more regularity now (penalties, turnovers, not finishing drives) and again the Redskins had to scramble late to get out of the stadium with a win (if Jon Jansen hadn't pounced on that late fumble, the Lions might have just pulled this thing out).

Chris Samuels can't come back soon enough for Campbell's health. Stephon Heyer had a rough, rough day, and let me tell you that was docile a road environment as you will ever find. There were empty seats all over the place and the crowd had no detectable pulse. Samuels' knee problem is not said to be too serious, and the way Pittsburgh moves those LBs in that 3-4 scheme and stunts and overloads ... yikes. It's very difficult coming in cold after being out with injury for a while, and having to switch to the left side on top of that, and Heyer will battle, but that was a rough outing.

Kedric Golston put together a second straight excellent game, and Evans does not get nearly as much credit as he deserves filling a huge role with Griffin out. He got a big sack and was a presence, which is saying something on a line without Griffin and with Taylor not adding much. They need to get more big plays out of their starting ends - Carter and Taylor combined for one sack.

I thought the Skins did a nice job on Calvin Johnson for the most part - with Landry shaded over him on a lot of obvious passing downs - save for a few missed tackles. Devin Thomas's growing affinity for special teams is a positive sign, and he made another big play Sunday (though nearly knocking down Moss on that punt return might have been huge).

As much as Moss adds to the return game, it really is a risk. With no real complimentary deep threat emerging, he's on the field constantly, and also returning punts is tough. Losing him would be crushing and that hamstring was barking a little Sunday, at least enough for the team to put him on the injury list. Hammies have not been kind to him and I'm sure they will watch it closely.

I thought it was a little odd that Fred Davis never got on the field after being featuring in three-wide sets, with an emphasis placed on getting him the ball, and I wonder if Greg Blache starts giving Chris Wilson a few more chances to rush the passer on third down (I didn't think Marcus Washington made much of his opportunities to blitz Sunday). I thought Mike Green did a heck of a job as a starting safety in a last-minute change of roles after being here only a week or so.

Bottom line, is few people around the NFL expected the Skins to be 6-2 at the midway point, me included. The first half was tough and they found ways to win, and string victories together. They actually have a little margin for error with NFC East games upcoming and if they beat the teams they are supposed to beat, they should be in line for a playoff push.

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Dan Steinberg has the lowdown on the Zornian outbursts Sunday. ... Oh, and there'll be the usual Redskins Monday morning chat, with Cindy Boren, at 11. Mike Wilbon is up at 1:15, chatting from Nashville and tonight's "Monday Night Football" game.

By Jason La Canfora  |  October 27, 2008; 8:05 AM ET
 
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Comments

Foist?

Posted by: TDawg1 | October 27, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Updated Press Conference video now out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI


Posted by: isnadd | October 27, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Man this team is frustrating to watch at times, but I LOVE seeing them win.

Two thoughts and a question:

1) The JonJan facemask call was total BS. That is the exact reason why they did away with the 5-yard facemask penalty; so incidental grazes like that DIDN'T get called and effect the game.

2) JC is the truth.

3)) Am I wrong here, or did Erasmus James get in for one snap, jump offsides and then promptly get benched again?

Posted by: BucktownSkinsFan | October 27, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone commented on Janssen's facemask call? On the replay I saw, it looked like he had the jersey but I never saw him grab the facemask. Did I miss it? That was another drive breaker and I have to think they would have scored a touchdown on that drive had the facemask not been called. Am I wrong?

Posted by: Dougmacintyre | October 27, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Good read....agreed strange about Davis, but sometimes thats how it rolls...Personally I'd like to see Thomas be getting more chances per game, but at 6-2, I'm happy.

Getting Samuels for the Pitt game, would be a huge boost. Rabach will again have his hands full with Casey Hampton, really good NT for the Steelers...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 27, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Still not impressed with D-Line. 1 sack? We're gonna make Big Ben look like a stud if we can't get to him.

Posted by: JudoChop | October 27, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Answering a Nate question from last night...Steve Yanda covers colleges for us and happened to be only three hours from Detroit this weekend.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | October 27, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

I agree that the game yesterday was not exactly what we would hope for as fans. However, this team has a history of playing to its opponent. Big Game=Big Effort; Pushover=Less Effort. My hope is that in looking to next week's showdown with the Steelers, the team simply looked past the Lions. Of course, that is troubling as well, but at least it provides hope that the 'Skins will rebound next week.

As far as the team relying on the run: When you have the #1 ranked back in the league matching up against the #31 rush defense in the league, you run the ball.

Posted by: Cavalier83 | October 27, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Greg, agreed that Samuels is critical to making this thing go... Steelers come in #2 overall in sacks, with 25 in 7 games.

(I probably don't need to mention that the Skins are currently tied for #28 overall with a measly 10 sacks in 8 games. Ugh.)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 27, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

I hope everyone is STAYING MEDIUM on this Monday morning...

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 27, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Answering a Nate question from last night...Steve Yanda covers colleges for us and happened to be only three hours from Detroit this weekend.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | October 27, 2008 8:58 AM

...and covering Detriot is about the same as covering a mediocre college team.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 27, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Zorn declared this a victory Monday, meaning players have the day off. Not sure who'll show at the park...when he did this a couple of weeks ago, you'll recall that London Fletcher and defensive guys chose to work. At any rate, Zorn will have some things to say and we'll get Samuels/Taylor injury updates as well as the latest on other assorted tweaks, booboos and owies.

Posted by: CindyBoren | October 27, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

if you haven't seen Mike Singletary's rant from yesterday, make sure you check that out! Great stuff from him! Maybe he can get SanFran turned around

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 27, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

The way this post read you would think this team was 2-6. I really don't give a rat a** if they win by 1 or 20 as long as they win.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 27, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

arrrrgh - exxxccellent, Nads... that's gonna stick in my head ALL DAY! aaaarrrrgh!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 27, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

As a fan I am more pumped than this post, but can't really argue with any of it. Their is a lot to improve on, but getting better while 4 games above 500, while in your division hunt, and squarely in the playoff hunt with a new coach is a position I like. Much better than the 4-4/3-5 "we just have to keep working" mentality.

The best thing about yesterday was how well our skill players played. JC/Moss/Portis had big games and we got on their backs and rode to victory.

Samuels, please get healthy! Heyer was lost yesterday, no other way to spin that.

Phantom Facemask was a complete joke. Reffing in all games, against every team, in every game this season is a pathetic.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

All this "miss communication" with Zorny - I can relate. Ya gotta remember, as a lefty, he's thinking about everything from a different angle than most folks.

So it's really natural for him to be on a totally different page than whoever he's communicating with.

It's pretty common, really...

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 27, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Here's that Mike Singletary rant from yesterday. It's pretty funny stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI

Posted by: tafka | October 27, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

The way this post read you would think this team was 2-6. I really don't give a rat a** if they win by 1 or 20 as long as they win.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 27, 2008 9:10 AM |

My thought, JM, is that we were favored by 7-1/2 and we won by 8. So we are who they thought we were. Nothing more, nothing less. This week, we'll probably be underdogs to Pittsburgh, so we'll have to be more than they think we are.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 27, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I also think that Heyer had an alright game considering he doesn't pratice on that side of the line and didn't know he was going in until game time.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 27, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

cL, how about that punt call in hot-lanta? ATL coulda taken philly, mebbe...

You can't beat the zeebs...

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 27, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

That was a great Monday Morning H Back column for JLC. I agree with almost all of his analysis.

One thing I would add - why are we misdiagnosing/not reporting/covering up all of these injuries? Is it a strategy thing?

We really need a great week of practice, our injured players back healthy, and a mistake free game to beat the Steelers. They played the Giants a lot tougher than we did.

Go Skins!

Posted by: captjim | October 27, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

TE, I saw lines, as in the one I betted on in my cbssports.com football pool, at 12.5......

But point spreads are sjk unless you bet...(and betting is fun!)

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

3)) Am I wrong here, or did Erasmus James get in for one snap, jump offsides and then promptly get benched again?


He was in before that and caused a holding call...he had a nice spin move and would have had a sack if not for the hold.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 27, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: tafka | October 27, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

What happened to Ry Clark in the game last night. Did he seperate his shoulder anyone know??

After watching the Pitt game, BRoth, holds the ball WAY too long. The defense has to get after this guy......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 27, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

"The game again had the feel of the Gibbs-led Skins."

Why do you think Gibbs was doing what he was doing? You thought he was holding them back or something?

They are who we thought they were since last year. Nothing more, Nothing less.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 27, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

i too am confused why wilson has not been in the game much. every time i have seen him in the QB pressure has been better.i do not see pitt. being as good as everyone claims they are. the refs are the worst i have ever seen them this year. there was no face mask by jj. the skins do need betts badly. he improves their offense greatly. wish he never got hurt. him and portis together would probably have 1500 yards rushing now.

Posted by: rls1041 | October 27, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

That ATL/Philly game finish was insane. No way that was not Falcons ball...the reffing is sublimely bad....

JM, WHAT on heyer? did you watch? He should be able to step in and at least get a hat on a body....he was standing around looking on all the sacks, was getting JC killed....seriously....

I like Heyer, think he is a keeper...but lets call it like it happens huh? His worst game ever, except maybe seattle playoff game.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

i read this blog sometimes, but not too often. LaCanfora clearly has a grudge against the Redskins, it is very clear in his language. The team is 6-2, and has beat all the top offenses in the NFC, (Saints, Cards, Boys, & Eagles). It seems as if no matter how many games they win, LaCanfora will still find something negative to say. From the looks of him, I doubt he has ever played football in his life. What team in the entire NFL right now is playing flawless football and blowing everyone they play? NOBODY. This is a very competitive and wide open year in the NFL, and the Skins are very close to the top of the pack.

This guy LaCanfora has some grudge against the team, for what reason, I do not know. I would love to have a beat writer who has actually played the game before, or knows about the game. I just have trouble taking this guy seriously, I mean just look at him.

Posted by: cj658 | October 27, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

We really need a great week of practice, our injured players back healthy, and a mistake free game to beat the Steelers. They played the Giants a lot tougher than we did.

Go Skins!

Posted by: captjim | October 27, 2008 9:19 AM |

They lost that is all that matters, and I hope they played them better, this was there 7th game. We played the Giants in the first game with a new coach and offense.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 27, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Yeah not analagous hoe we played giants vs how steelers did....kind dumb their captn

But good point on razor sharp focus for Steelers game, gonna need mega medium and mistake free (ok minamalized) game and a gut check effort. And we need to hit Big Ben....again...again...and than some more.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Alright, gotta stick up for my boy a bit. Heyer did have a rough day. But, it seemed to me his mistakes were no more egregious than anyone else's, especially considering that he was out of position and not expecting to start till 10 mins before the game.

Also, no mention here of a couple of bonehead penalties against Jansen.

It was a mental off-day for a lot of guys. We got pretty lucky.

Please don't read this as me saying I think Heyer ought to replace Samuels. Got to get the pro-bowler back, but Heyer is not as bad as Sunday's performance.

Posted by: LarryBud | October 27, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, Cindy, and thanks to Yanda for chipping in. I can't wait for his three-part in-depth series, "Yanda on Yoder."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 27, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Two games I have watched this season where I was just AMAZED at the lack of o-line:

Jints-Stoles last nite & Rums-Goils last week.. by the end of the games, the lines were just seives - letting anything through...

Think we can bust that come monday nite? sure would like to...

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 27, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Good to hear about Eraz James, if he was in there, forcing holding penalties. I really wish some of the focus was more on getting James/Wilson more PT, and getting the ball to Davis/Thomas, but I'll take that we're 6-2.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 27, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Normally I'm not too down on Jasno. Not that I don't think he writes some BS on occasion, but I figure he also offers some decent insights once in a while and you gotta take the good with the bad.

Having said that, you would've thought that the Skins had lost, or that they won because of some kind of fluke or luck. Yeah, they played sloppy at times. And they also played down to the level of their opponent for much of the game. But given the injuries they've got, given the horrible officiating during most of the games, to go on the road and win by 8 points is not too bad.

Granted, I was pretty frustrated for a lot of the game. But this team plays differently when they're up against top teams. Those wins in Dallas and Philly weren't flukes. I think Zorn's assessment was on the money. They still have some kinks to work out, but they've got a lot going for them--including having a lot of experienced, battle-tested veterans who know how to get it done when it matters.

So this quote, "A performance like Sunday's, against any other operation, and the Skins lose" I think is total BS. I think the Skins would've beat most other teams yesterday as well.

My two cents.

jakeweed

Posted by: gringoinmiami | October 27, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

They played the Giants a lot tougher than we did.

Posted by: captjim | October 27, 2008 9:19 AM |

Yeah, but Captain, think about it this way. The Eagles beat the Steelers, and we beat the Eagles, so we shouldn't have any trouble with Pittsburgh. Right?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 27, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Clark dislocated his shoulder; you could tell by the way his arm was hanging and the fact that they took him into the locker room immediately.

Posted by: CindyBoren | October 27, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

JLC is right on when he says we lose this game against any other team. Of course I'll take an ugly win, but this team absolutely needs to improve a couple of areas if we want to keep rolling.

1) We need more deep plays. Period. Whether it's Zorn or JC changing calls at the line, we need more deep stabs.

2) We need plays to Cooley in the red zone. His only TD of the year came on Randle El's option pass. I don't know why he seems to get no redzone looks.

3) Shaun Alexander looks every bit like the washed-up bust we thought he'd be. I've never never seen a RB get the ball, and then SLOW DOWN and STOP when he gets to the hole at the line of scrimmage like him. GIVE THE BALL TO ROCK!

4) We need to force more turnovers. This, along with the deep plays, is how a team really crushes another team and gets their foot on the neck of an opponent. It's sad to say, but I would have expected more from Laron Landry 8 games into the season. No picks, no forced fumbles - he's our big play guy in the secondary with no big plays to his name.

On the other side of things...

1)We got hosed on the Jansen face mask call that killed one of our drives. That should absolutely have ended in points.

2) Remember when Fletch blew up CJ on the 4th and 3 play? That was awesome. He continues to play like a cyborg.

3) Mike Green looks like a nice pick-up. Some pretty solid tackles for a guy not on the roster at the start of the week.

Posted by: p1funk | October 27, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I pretty much agree with everything JLa said.

My only comment would be that the people who need to step up have. That's Moss, Portis, JC and Fletcher. Big players make big plays in big games. If you don't love London Fletcher then you don't love football.

Sorry I'm sure this has been covered but which reporter did Zorn blow up on?

Also, JC certainly didn't look like a game manager yesterday. Let's hope he keeps that up.

Posted by: Gweez | October 27, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

The Steelers defensive backfield seems to be somewhat beaten up...if the OL can keep Campbell upright, passing yards seem to be there for the taking....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 27, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Skins fans who complain - would you like some cheese with that whine?

If you told anyone in February that the Skins would be 6-2 halfway, including road wins in Philly and Dallas, that Jason Campbell would have a rating over 100 and not throw any picks, that Portis would be leading the league in rushing, and that Moss would be back to his 2005 form, you would take that in a heartbeat.

This team is just getting used to being good, hence playing up to or down to the competition. But that is a step forward. Good to great.

So all you whiners, I don't get it.

Posted by: daddy00 | October 27, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

daddy00, you're right. Let's just take our 6-2 record and mail it in for the rest of the season.

Posted by: p1funk | October 27, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Clark dislocated his shoulder; you could tell by the way his arm was hanging and the fact that they took him into the locker room immediately.

Posted by: CindyBoren | October 27, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse


That wouldn't have happened if we had resigned him! :P

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 27, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

we need to hit Big Ben....again...again...and than some more.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

You know, CL, I'm not so sure about this one. I think we should force Ben to win the game for them. Keep him in the pocket, let our DBs force the issue and stop the run. He is most dangerous when he improvises and has shown the ability to take a hit and not get too rattled.

It's when he has to play pocket qb and go through his checkdowns that his lack of smarts gets him trouble.

Actually, considering that we don't seem to be able to generate much of a 4 man push anyway, and given our coverage skills, I'd say we're pretty well set up for this type of game.

The key is who will match up on Miller. I'm not sure Rocy can handle him or that we can afford to take him off the line. That means safety coverage and a lot of cover 3. I think Carlos matches up well with Hines ward and Smoot with Holmes. I hope Springs is healthy enough to come in and help with Miller. Horton can deal but would be better matched up on a back.

Posted by: LarryBud | October 27, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you, daddy00. Back in preseason, or even when they announced the Zorn hire, I would have never guessed they'd be 6-2 including road wins in Dallas and Philly.

I'm super psyched where they're at now, and expect them to get better throughout the season. Sure they're probably bound to have a couple more bad games--but being able to pull out a win when you're not playing well, that's what separates this team from the previous Skins teams. In the past, they would've lost a totally winnable game like this one.

So, despite all the problems and flaws mentioned above, I'm not too worried. The Skins are in a much better place and playing much better football than anyone had a right to expect. And the overall trend is in the right direction, even with a couple steps backwards here and there. I like our chances to make the playoffs and advance a round or more.

jakeweed

Posted by: gringoinmiami | October 27, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Sorry I'm sure this has been covered but which reporter did Zorn blow up on?


Posted by: Gweez | October 27, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Ryan O'Halloran - Wash Times............

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 27, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

This team is just getting used to being good, hence playing up to or down to the competition. But that is a step forward. Good to great.

So all you whiners, I don't get it.

Posted by: daddy00 | October 27, 2008 9:51 AM

Best analysis I have heard so far. Short, consise, and to the point......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 27, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

I'm curious to see if Santonio Holmes, and Willie Parker will be playing in this game....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 27, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Thanks 4th.

Posted by: Gweez | October 27, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

A win is a win - but they better clean up their play or the 2nd half of the season could mean trouble.

Does anyone know who the reporter was the got Coach Z annoyed?

Posted by: Stevida | October 27, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Larry Bud,

We can't forget about Nate Washington. He seems like he's good for a 50 yard TD every week. (and he hooked up the e funk all stars yesterday. BONG!)

I doubt Springs will be back until after the bye.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 27, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

from Peter King :

"f. I know you love Clinton Portis, Jim Zorn. And you should. But that little tete-a-tete on the sidelines in Detroit with Mr. Portis should tell you that you're dealing with what Tom Coughlin has dealt with over the last three years with Plaxico Burress. High-maintenance guys. But great players. You've got to make peace and move on."


uhhh....

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 27, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Aw, c'mon Jake!

U were cryin in your diet coke about Campbell until Moss started the fireworks...

lol... jk ;)

Good Win!

I'll reiterate my pre-season prediction 11-5!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 27, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Fred Smoot says it the best so far:

Said Redskins CB Fred Smoot, “The good part is that we’re 6-2, but I think with these close wins, people don’t want to look at like it’s 6-2. Six-and-two is 6-2. It’s not the BCS. You’re not coming here trying to blow anybody out by 60. You’re just trying to leave with a win.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/27/escape-artists/

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 27, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Geez what an article....NEWS FALSH.....

Skin won and are 6 & 2....Mov eon and stop the bashing!

Posted by: leevi98 | October 27, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

trod,

you're absolutely correct, sir. I would like to see him go over the middle in the vicinity of The Ron, however. BONG!

Posted by: LarryBud | October 27, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

As happy as I am to see the Redskins at 6-2 at the midpoint, I'm just as concerned about their inability to crush an inferior opponent like Detroit or Cleveland. The Skins offense moved the ball at will but committed stupid penalties or failed to protect JC's blind side in the red zone. Jansen's falling on the ball in the 4th quarter was a key play in helping us to stay in FG range and not lose momentum.

It's time that Zorn took control over Taylor's injury situation because it is clear he is now hurting the team. Evans should be starting at DE with Chris Wilson coming in on passing downs to give us some push. We were the first team that didn't force a Detroit TO. I was expecting at least 3-4. Except for Carlos Rogers not making a catcheable INT, we never got close to forcing a TO.

I can see why Blatche was pretty steamed after the game. This team won't win games against Pittburgh, Dallas, Philly, or NY if they can't generate more of pass rush and continue to rely on the DB's to make plays. Hopefully, Griffin, Springs, and Horton will be back by Dallas so we have a full compliment on D.

Posted by: wizfan89 | October 27, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Yeah that Peter King quote is so far off base. First off Portis doesn't domestically abuse anyone that i know of. Secondly, Burress doesn't show up for meetings cause he doesn't care. Portis got in an argument because he cared too much.

I try and try to give King a break but stupid comments like this make me crazy.

Posted by: Gweez | October 27, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

wine and cheese sounds good on a monday morning, can we get mixed pepperoni and salami as well? Anti Pasta and vino on Monday AM! That appeals to the elitist in me....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

from Peter King :

"f. I know you love Clinton Portis, Jim Zorn. And you should. But that little tete-a-tete on the sidelines in Detroit with Mr. Portis should tell you that you're dealing with what Tom Coughlin has dealt with over the last three years with Plaxico Burress. High-maintenance guys. But great players. You've got to make peace and move on."


uhhh....

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 27, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Peter King is a trash compactor. What does he know about the Skins? He gets no access b/c Danny and the Skins Nation hates him. Portis is a bit of a primadonna, but his behavior is NOTHING like Plax. He doesn't shirk off meetings or miss team events.

The "blow up" on the sideline was a misunderstanding. Portis wasn't available for a play b/c of equipment issues; Zorn didn't know what was going on. Peter King should stick to chugging Kool-Aid for Tony Romo and the Patriots.

Posted by: p1funk | October 27, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me with Peter King?? Seriously?? You compare Plax, who has been FINED TENS of THOUSANDS of dollars, and suspended for the bye week, as well as the Seattle game, to Clinton Portis????

How can he POSSIBLY, make this connection??

That is just IRRESPONSIBLE journalism......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 27, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Dik,

True, true. Also, I was bummed that I said I wouldn't order a beer until the Skins got a TD, and it took a while. Thank god for Moss's first TD--that Stella tasted great!!!

Posted by: gringoinmiami | October 27, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I'm curious to see if Santonio Holmes, and Willie Parker will be playing in this game....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 27, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Why wouldn't "Santonio" play. He had that great punt return and TD catch this week vs. the Lions.

Posted by: Gweez | October 27, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Greg, agreed that Samuels is critical to making this thing go... Steelers come in #2 overall in sacks, with 25 in 7 games.

(I probably don't need to mention that the Skins are currently tied for #28 overall with a measly 10 sacks in 8 games. Ugh.)


The Steelers also come in #5 in sacks given up, with 24 in 7 games...so we need to get in there.

Posted by: SmallPen15 | October 27, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Why wouldn't "Santonio" play. He had that great punt return and TD catch this week vs. the Lions.

Posted by: Gweez | October 27, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, great Brian Billick quote. Kind of like: "Trust me, Baltimore, I know quarterbacks."

Posted by: p1funk | October 27, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Yeah Beantown. That set me off too. I fired off an email to him. If someone compared me being a competitor to someone accused of domestic abuse they'd get a call from me.

Portis is a character. Burress lacks character. Two different things.

Posted by: Gweez | October 27, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Nice use of CAPS Greg(Boston)! Way to use the #2 definition..........

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 27, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Vinny just backslapped Andy Polly regarding JT55 playing @ 50%....

I am begining to think this is a made up back and forth to add to ratings........

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 27, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

F peter king

Question: Is it possible to be sky high about this season, and yet still take an analytical view of where the team will have to improve to make this a special season come crunch time?

I vote YES!

The beautiful thing about 6-2, is that when we are in weeks 14-17 fighting it out with 203 different playoff scenarios these wins prove to be huge, and noone cares how we got'em.

The thing to be concerned with is looking at potential issues with this team and hope they can improve in them so they can win those "must wins" during the stretch and hopefully playoffs...

But whateves in a way, this is the most likable/fun Skins team i a looooonnnngggg time, and as a fan I appreciate how enjoyable this team is. Horny for Zorny!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

F peter king

Question: Is it possible to be sky high about this season, and yet still take an analytical view of where the team will have to improve to make this a special season come crunch time?

I vote YES!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse


Well said, trust me those coaches and players will spend the whole week picking apart their performance win or loss. It's not whining or hating.


Someone who really hasn't gotten much pub but was vital in this game. Chris Cooley. How many 1st down did he get yesterday? 6-7?


Posted by: Gweez | October 27, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

How can he POSSIBLY, make this connection??

That is just IRRESPONSIBLE journalism......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 27, 2008 10:11 AM

He made the connection thus: They are both GREAT PLAYERS; they are both HIGH MAINTENANCE. Those are the two common characteristics he sees in each of them.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 27, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Willie Parker is huge, but Mewelde Moore is nothing to sneeze your nose at. 99 and 120 yards the past two games. So what I'm saying is, it will be a chore to stop 'em no matter whether Parker's in there or not. That's who they are.

I agree with the statement above something to the effect that this is no week to unleash the pass rush hounds. That sounds like a recipe for disaster. Plus that's not who this defense is! Play our game. Contain, do what you can with a four-man rush, just tell the front four to attack, you idiots, such as.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 27, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

te, agree to dis...on this subject.

Portis pockets straight, Plax not so much. I'd say that racking up over 40 thousand dollars in fines, missing team meetings, and getting suspended for 2 games is a categorical difference between having a ONE-TIME misunderstanding with your coach.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 27, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I am on Beantown's squad on this one...plax vs portis is apples and scrapple situation...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

with regards to our offense, I feel they are really good all the way up to the opponents 30 yard line, and once they get there, something is missing. Maybe this is still cause and effect from the transition to the WCO, does anyone else think this too?

Posted by: theFreshinAU | October 27, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Peter King has alwasy been a serious tool. Muckrakeing Sukkard. His lips are plastered so far up the Blue Star's behind it looks like he's wearing JJones as a goatee.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 27, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Portis pockets straight, Plax not so much. I'd say that racking up over 40 thousand dollars in fines, missing team meetings, and getting suspended for 2 games is a categorical difference between having a ONE-TIME misunderstanding with your coach.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 27, 2008 10:25 AM

I agree with that.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 27, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

yeah, either jasno has a grudge or he doesn't know football (American). I believe he's professional enough that he won't let his personal feelings get in the way of his reporting. Meanwhile his analysis of next week's game read as obvious as "if the skins don't score more points than steelers next week they will loose"...

And his yesterdays game analysis was nothing but full of ifs and buts...

Nate, there are people out there that like the skins and the cowboys...odd huh?...so yeah you are not the only one that has two fav teams...4th knows someone like that too


Posted by: dealer1 | October 27, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Nice!! me, cl, and te all in agreement.....I don't know how much more we can accomplish today, so why don't we all go home and call it a day??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 27, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

So right now the Skins are installed as a 2.5 favorite in the game monday night. I will be very intrigued to see the injury report for the Steelers later this week. That was a straight slobber knocker they were in yesterday. I have a feeling they will be pretty banged up...

Posted by: Club320 | October 27, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I try and try to give King a break but stupid comments like this make me crazy.

Posted by: Gweez

Stay cool, remember what opinions are like

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

uh - how is Portis 'high maintenance'? He's outspoken, but that's hardly bothersome to the team.

Portis has basically done whatever the team has asked him to. Almost to the end of his carreer - though, let's hope, to glory this year..

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 27, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Your article, however grumpy and negative, does have merit. These Skins can be a playoff team, but they've got to show better concentration in the red zone and finish drives. I am still amazed at how good our defense has been with ABSOLUTELY no pass rush. I got a feeling that those flaws will come back to bite us at some point, even if we are at home. The Giants, Eagles, and the Cowboys have all shown their A game at least a few times this season. I still don't think we've shown ours. Except for maybe the Dallas and even that game wasn't completely perfect. Heres to gettin our A game on for the second half of the season.
All HAIL!

Posted by: Predator48 | October 27, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

agreement feels so dull! Someone insult me so we can fight....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I do?

Do they like the Steelers and Skins?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 27, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Somebody, please! Take a swipe of some sort...We don't want chrislarRy to lose his edge.

Posted by: CindyBoren | October 27, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

F cHris LaRry...

Posted by: Club320 | October 27, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

This is serious...chrislarRy has lost the will to randomly capitalize.

Posted by: CindyBoren | October 27, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

how is Portis 'high maintenance'?

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 27, 2008 10:37 AM

He's always asked for special treatment: lighter practice loads, time off in preseason, freedom to check himself into and out of play. Coach Gibbs gave into a lot of that. Coach Zorn has said he doesn't want to extend the same privileges to Portis.

He was high maintenance yesterday when he snapped back at the coach. A low maintenance player would have said "Thanks. I'll try to do better next time."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 27, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

ChRIS LarrY....must...be...insulting...arguing...judging...viewing own opinion as superior or ....he will...cease to exist.....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Rothlesberger can be a dangerous guy when there is no rush on him. The Ginats were all over him in the 2nd half yesterday and made the guy look like Aaron Brooks out there. We have got to put some serious pressure on thr guy Monday night. First MNF game of the year, so let's hope the Fedex crowd gets plenty amped up, and feeds the defense. Also agree that we need Samuels back, but if there's a good chance he won't be back, they should just rest him and let Heyer get the first team work at left tackle all week. He definitley needs the reps.......also, love Carlos Rogers, but they need to do some extra work/drills again this week to get him to hold on to int's.

Side note; Was driving back from the beach yesterday, so I had to listen to the 1st 3 quarters on the radio (love Sirius, it's the radio version of NFL Ticket). I actually enjoyed the broadcast. Larry was actually okay, and Sam & Sonny were pretty funny and usually spot on. Good stuff.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 27, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

there are people out there that like the skins and the cowboys

You mean, besides Linda Blair?

Posted by: daggar | October 27, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

You are all very ugly. Ok insult launched. Have at it.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 27, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

agreement feels so dull! Someone insult me so we can fight....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2008 10:42 AM |

Truth was up here trashing him last night. Maybe someone can look up those taunts and repost them?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 27, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

I thought Heyer did most of the first team work at LT the last two weeks? Certainly, the whole week between Rams and Browns, and at least Thursday-Friday of this week?
I wonder if that's the reason we saw more Yoder, less Davis -- trying to focus on helping block?

Posted by: daggar | October 27, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

dlhaze1 - The pass rush was due to 8 men in the box all day loooong. And they would always rush atleast 7 people no matter the down and distance.

The Giants secondary must be suspect.......

And Pittsburgh didn't adjust.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 27, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

TE, Riggo would spend the entire week out of practice in traction. We have players out of practice every day.

This cannot be considered high maintenance. Personal attention, mebbe. But he's not breaking curfew, he's underpaid... he's sacrificing his future for a playoff, daresay a championship, appearance.

And if someone accused him of doing something he didn't do (checking himself out - it was an equipment issue), he's going to react. He's full of frekkin adrenaline. The coach & player are past it, why aren't you?!

Oh, did Portis then go out and churn, I dunno, 50 or more yards or something?! Yeh- I'll take that kind of high maintenance any day.

He might not be a leader of men, or a yes man, or a future senator. BUT HE LEADS THE LEAGUE... that's not high maintenance, that's high RETURN!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 27, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Hmm... most of the insults I could come up with for chRIs LarRI also apply to me, so I'm going to pass up on what at first appeared to be a juicy opportunity to pile on.

I mean, F him, of course! But beyond that, I got nothin'

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 27, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Nate you're a fool

chris larry micheals

coincidence?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 27, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

"he's underpaid"

Please. Rescind this remark.

Posted by: p1funk | October 27, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

The coach & player are past it, why aren't you?!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 27, 2008 11:03 AM

Dik,

I am past it. You asked a question, which I tried to answer.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 27, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

T_E,
It was an equipment issue. He could not find his helmet or something.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

If you're calling him 'high maintenance' instead of the best back in the league, you're not past it.

And Portis is worth more than we are paying him. There are crap-SJK rookies making more than he is. I will not recind.

Can you guys go wipe up after PK's dookie now? cL, jump in any time here - I know how you dote on CP. Am I seriously alone on this?! geez...

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 27, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

TheTruth11, I know that I'm a fool. The question is, do you know that you're a fool?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 27, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Dik, I'm with you on CP -- all the acting out that Portis has done this season has seemed to directly correlate to improvement in both his performance and the team's performance. If that's "high maintenance" then give me more of it.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 27, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

"If you're calling him 'high maintenance' instead of the best back in the league, you're not past it.

And Portis is worth more than we are paying him. There are crap-SJK rookies making more than he is. I will not recind.

Can you guys go wipe up after PK's dookie now? cL, jump in any time here - I know how you dote on CP. Am I seriously alone on this?! geez...

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 27, 2008 11:12 AM "

well cry me a river

I can't think of many pro sports players that are underpaid. I'M underpaid, these millionaires are not.

Nate, strike one.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 27, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Let's Recap:

Skins Record since the Vinny show:

6-1

Where's the Beef?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 27, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

"he's underpaid"

Please. Rescind this remark.

Posted by: p1funk | October 27, 2008 11:07 AM

Dude, Clinton Portis is MAD underpaid.

He puts his body on the line ALL the time, even when the situation may not call for it. You can't put a price on your body; therefor dude is underpaid.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 27, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

It seems that a lot of former players analists and current players are highly critical of the rookie money this season. I think that we will see a rookie payscale in the next 2 seasons or at the next CBA.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

thx, al!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 27, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

dang it Nate, you're sitting there, and you're rolling your eyes, and I'm getting PRETTY TICKED OFF *bangs podium*, you got it?? You okay??

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 27, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

chris larry micheals

coincidence?

Posted by: TheTruth11

So your tool who kept posting this pre-registration....lame than, lamer now....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I mean you are the tool...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Dik, I'm with you on everything - except that Clinton is "underpaid". He's making $15 mill guaranteed for this year through 2010. This is on top of whatever he had already made under his at-the-time record breaking $50mill contract he signed in 2004, which included a signing bonus of about $12mill and $5mill in other guaranteed bonuses.

If you are referencing the rookie salaries as comparison, let's just agree that the problem is with the rookie salary scale; not Poris's.

Posted by: p1funk | October 27, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"It seems that a lot of former players analists and current players are highly critical of the rookie money this season. I think that we will see a rookie payscale in the next 2 seasons or at the next CBA.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2008 11:16 AM"

won't happen. Should happen, but won't happen.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 27, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"strike one", Truth?

You probably intended for that to come off as ominous or something. It did not. It made me giggle.

Just as this blog conversation isn't about me, or chRIs LarrY, or Jason La Canfora, or any one of us, it's not about you, dude. Despite what you may think. You fool.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 27, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Portis rulz, and its fine he has his own rules....

arguing overpaid/underpaid has to be done in context....if your staying only in the bizzarro world of NFL salaries you can make a case Portis and others are underpaid....

in the real world where people are subsisting om yard sale money* its a tough case to make...

*(http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/25/us/25garage.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=yard%20sales&st=cse&oref=slogin)

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Agree with TheTruth (WOW) regarding other pro athletes that are underpaid.

Especailly football players.

Baseball players are THE most overpaid athletes in ANY sport. Their salaries are based off how long baseball has been a draw in this country... since the 1870s or something like that.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 27, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

the clown quote is so fing lame!!! BUT only the skins fans and reprters know that zorn cleared the air at HALFTIME!!! and here's king giving advice to zorn. Fing fraud!!! We have to spam his mmqb with the truth!!! Fat fck err mad the lions didn't win and continue his friggin fluky upset pick streak...

Posted by: dealer1 | October 27, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

(Truth, I did appreciate the podium banging thing and hope it somehow gets folded into our lexicon up here. I can't believe Zorn's HC career is only 15 minutes old and he already has his definitive podium moment. Wow.)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 27, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Truth,
I disagree. Players seem mad about it behind the scenes.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I thought the body was priceless.

I think my body is worth more than 15 million, although my life insurance is waaaaaaay less than that.

life = body?

Posted by: RedDMV | October 27, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

He puts his body on the line ALL the time, even when the situation may not call for it. You can't put a price on your body; therefor dude is underpaid.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 27, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

By this logic, everyone is underpaid if their body is put at risk in a line of work?

So relative to soldiers, firemen, police officers, and lifeguards, would you still say Clinton is "underpaid"?

Posted by: p1funk | October 27, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

"Truth,
I disagree. Players seem mad about it behind the scenes.

Posted by: alex35332 "

I just don't see the player's association agreeing to something that takes money out of the players' hands. It's awful and it makes you not want a first round pick to be honest, but I just don't see it changing. Stupid. Goodell has gone down some in my book this year.


"chris larry micheals

coincidence?

Posted by: TheTruth11

So your tool who kept posting this pre-registration....lame than, lamer now....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2008 11:19 AM"


Poor Chris Larry, I didn't mean to hurt his feelings.


Owned.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 27, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

okay I got in a reck and wasn't my fault and the other party admitted fault...but I called my insurance company, geico!!! What a big fing mistake!!! So never call your insurance company if you're not at fault...f geico!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | October 27, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Forget putting your body on the line. Aren't all public servents underpaid, and I think its clear that all stockmen and speculators are overpaid?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

The Truth is like one of those hack comedians that is the only one laughing at his own jokes....

"owned" hysterical...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

underpaid/overpaid = power rankings = this draft class is a bust/is not a bust.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 27, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Good one, Greg.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 27, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

To clarify: when I say "underpaid" I'm talking apples to apples - top running backs, top players their salaries - so if you're comparing it to a ditch digger, you're in the wrong argument.

And, yes, I am cheating a little in that I'm comparing what he's making to the injustice of the pay structure in the NFL.

I harldy feel that either of those conditions invalidate my argument: CP is worth more than he's making. CP's eccentricities do not qualify him as "high maintenance".

Ok - I'm done. I'll just point to the league rushing stats next. That's equivalent to "score board" right?

Dik Shuttle....Done.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 27, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

The Truth is like one of those hack comedians that is the only one laughing at his own jokes....
"owned" hysterical...
Posted by: chrislarry
In the mold of Carrot top or Kathy Griffith? Does the Truth have props?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

S.Alexander does not run with passion. Give the ball to Cartwright.

Posted by: kenobill | October 27, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Nate, strike two.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 27, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

If the salary cap remains in place (I realize that's a big IF pending this uncapped year) then there is a salary FLOOR.

So the NFLPA wouldn't see money taken out of players' hands, they would see the same money in different players' hands... less money allocated to rookie contracts would definitely mean MORE money in veteran contracts.

I think we would all agree with that, dudes being paid for real performance in the league versus paid for college performance + draft hype. And I think veterans in the league would love it. And they're the ones who carry the weight in NFLPA matters. As far as I know. I think.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 27, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Nate, for the record you have 23 strikes in my book...

Posted by: dealer1 | October 27, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

S.Alexander does not run with passion. Give the ball to Cartwright.

Posted by: kenobill

We knew he was soft before we got him. The good thing is that we only paying him min and only for one year.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 27, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Good thing I don't care much for the baseball...

* beep beep *

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 27, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Dik, that's fine. You are talking relative to an NFL RB market. In 2004, Portis signed one of the richest ever contracts for an RB - I'd say we treated him in an above-average capacity. We just guaranteed him $15 through 2010.

If this is "underpaid", you've got to throw some other numbers at us.

If you just love CP and are trying to throw him props. I can dig that.

Posted by: p1funk | October 27, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

you're averaging 9 strikes per season...not bad not bad

4th, I said you know someone who is a steeler and skins fan

Posted by: dealer1 | October 27, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Come on J-Lac... It wasn't exactly a resounding victory, but the Redskins did what they had to and were EXPECTED to do. Just before kickoff the line was 7.5, Washington won by 8 and covered. It would have been nice to trounce them by 30, but when you cover, I figure you've done a good enough job. And by the way, I'm not nearly as fearful of the Pittsburgh Steelers as others here seem to be. They have one of the worst offenses I've seen, sure they'll have Willie Parker back, but Willie Parker aint Brian Westbrook. They may or may not be without Santonio Holmes again and with the way our secondary is playing we can essentially bring the house against Big Ben who loves to hold onto the ball. I'd be very surprised if we didn't rack up a season high in sacks. Also, on the offensive side of the ball, the Pittsburgh corners are middle of the road, they are going to have to shad Polamalu on Moss all game and that will leave a ton of space for Cooley to get open. To wrap this up, Pittsburgh's run defense was stout yesterday, but they weren't facing the league's #1 rusher. On Monday night, they will be.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | October 27, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I agree with JLC's critical commentary of the Skins. They need to play error free football and keep everyone healthy to beat better teams. Granted they rested a number of key players (Samuels, Heyer, Griffin, and Springs), but they made similar mistakes against the winless Rams and lost...

The Jansen face mask penalty was totally bogus. He was holding both hands up to block and the defensive player leaned his head into Jansen's hands.

The Skins are not scoring enough TDs due to dropped passes and penalties.

The defense played pretty well (as they have all year) even without several of their best players on the field. Is 60% of Jason Taylor really better than 100% of any other DE on the roster? I'm not sure about that decision, but the Fletcher hit to end the game was awesome!

Posted by: siris | October 27, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I agree with JLC's critical commentary of the Skins. They need to play error free football and keep everyone healthy to beat better teams. Granted they rested a number of key players (Samuels, Horton, Griffin, and Springs), but they made similar mistakes against the winless Rams and lost...

The Jansen face mask penalty was totally bogus. He was holding both hands up to block and the defensive player leaned his head into Jansen's hands.

The Skins are not scoring enough TDs due to dropped passes and penalties.

The defense played pretty well (as they have all year) even without several of their best players on the field. Is 60% of Jason Taylor really better than 100% of any other DE on the roster? I'm not sure about that decision, but the Fletcher hit to end the game was awesome!

Posted by: siris | October 27, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

(Truth, I did appreciate the podium banging thing and hope it somehow gets folded into our lexicon up here. I can't believe Zorn's HC career is only 15 minutes old and he already has his definitive podium moment. Wow.)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 27, 2008 11:30 AM

Since we use TCCL's for praise how about PP (Podium Pounds) for things that piss us off. Such as, instead of negative TCCL's King gets 3400 PP's for being a d-bag with a press badge.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 27, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Good analysis, Jason. And no, it's not too negative. Skins are about as thin a 6-2 as there ever was. I say that cuz I love 'em.
Here's my question: Where's the other threat besides Moss at wideout? Why are they not getting the ball to Randle El, Thrash or Thomas? Are they not getting open? Does Zorn or Campbell not like throwing to them? We need another threat to keep 'em honest on Moss and turn some of these long drives into touchdowns.

Posted by: jdsp2000 | October 27, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Peter King regurgitates what he watches on TV. No reporting involved. He just carries water for Parcells and Favre. Just addds more fuel for Portis's fire.

Posted by: i155133 | October 27, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

i agree the steelers do not scare me either. in their 7 games they have played 4 or 5 of the worst teams so far. that is the only way they are 5-2. they have only one good receiver.

Posted by: rls1041 | October 28, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

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