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Monday Morning H-Back

Before we get into this game - and a big win it was - let's first go back to the loss to the St. Louis Rams, who were winless at the time. That's the game that is haunting the Redskins right now, even more than the loss at Cincincinnati.

It was Week 6, the date was Oct. 12 and the Skins had a swagger. With a four-game winning streak and a 4-1 record, they had not committed a single turnover, were scoring and feeling good. But in that game, they committed turnovers. Pete Kendall had his brain cramp moment as he tried to catch a batted ball and fumbled. Donnie Avery's catch on the long pass at the end of the game was the final nail. If the Skins had held on rather than losing 19-17, they would still be in the chase for the final wild-card spot today.

They would be 9-6, and in good shape with a final game against a San Francisco team that is not exactly a world beater. The Skins would have had the chance to go 9-3 in the conference with a win Sunday. They would have held the conference-record tiebreaker over Tampa Bay. If Philly were to beat Dallas, and the Skins beat the 49ers, they would have been the sixth seed.

But since that is not the case, let's look at Sunday's victory and give credit to the defense and special teams. Ryan Plackemeier had an outstanding game punting, the coverage was tight and Santana Moss had some nice punt returns (Antwaan Randle El had one key return, too) to maintain an advantage in field position. That was the difference in this game. It was all about field position with neither team able to move the ball.

Obviously, the only touchdown of the game was essentially the work of Washington's defense. Jason Taylor came up with a sack, Donovan McNabb fumbled and London Fletcher's recovery set up a short field for the offense. Taylor had his best game by far, playing more of a rover role, and the rotation of defenders spying on Brian Westbrook was at the heart of the defense's success.

Eagles Coach Andy Reid pulled another one of his infamous tricks, abandoning Westbrook far too early and calling 15 straight passing plays from the third quarter into the final drive of the game. He should get a big assist by choosing to get a little too cute at the worst possible time.

The defensive backs stood out again, playing a very physical game. And LaRon Landry's big hit on Reggie Brown at the end of the game spared us overtime. For a while, it looked as if the Skins were going to post their first shutout since 1991, but they came up a field goal short.

As for the offense, well, it is what it is. Jason Fabini is an accident waiting to happen at right tackle. (Can Rhino see some action, please? Put Chad Rinehart in, even if it's at guard.) Clinton Portis seems to be running out of steam, and running behind this line would be tough sledding for anyone. Still, keeping Jason Campbell largely upright against that Jim Johnson blitz package with the Eagles in a must-win game and the Skins without either starting tackle was a pretty special accomplishment for the offensive line. Good for them. Gutsy effort by the big uglies up front.

In the passing game, there were far too many dropped passes by some of the same culprits. Campbell was off early, then settled down, but still got away with at least two very poor throws that should have been picked off. (Asante Samuel doesn't drop many, and even one turnover might have been enough in that close game.)

While Greg Blache deserves a lot of credit for the game plan to stop Westbrook - including a three-man rush for much of the game - Jim Zorn went ultra-conservative with an offensive approach that had a Joe Gibbs feel to it. He just squeezed out the win, thanks to the D. With lots of running and short passes (there were only a couple of deep shots all game), it was pure ball control.

This win, which clinches at least a .500 record as well as a .500 record at home and a .500 record within in the NFC East, should end any more chatter or speculation about Zorn's future. A win at San Fran would give the franchise its first back-to-back nine-win seasons since 1992. (That's a pretty unfathomably long stretch, eh?) It's tough to envision any owner whacking a rookie coach for basically exceeding most expectations.

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 22, 2008; 7:17 AM ET
 
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Every team that did not make the playoffs are having aha moments like this. We are no exception. Until the owners of this team remove themselves from coaching and player personel we will be reading posts like this for years to come.

Posted by: scavanaugh | December 22, 2008 7:35 AM | Report abuse

first!

Posted by: jimboy435 | December 22, 2008 7:38 AM | Report abuse

JLC,

The offense is what it is, terrible.

Thanks to the defense and Plack. for giving us fans a win.

The offense has become more conservative then the Bush administration.

Zorn should be just as upset this week with himself as he was last week.

Great win but I'm afraid it will just give Vinny the excuse to say we are right there all we need is one or two guys.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 22, 2008 7:39 AM | Report abuse

While I agree that the Redskins ownership isn't the best, you can't blame them for the Rams' loss. That's all on the players. You can't blame the coaches or owner for pre-snap offensive penalties; for failing to beat a crappy at home. At some point people have to stop blaming Snyder for every bad thing that happens to the Redskins.

Posted by: tundey | December 22, 2008 7:44 AM | Report abuse

While I agree that the Redskins ownership isn't the best, you can't blame them for the Rams' loss. That's all on the players. You can't blame the coaches or owner for pre-snap offensive penalties; for failing to beat a crappy at home. At some point people have to stop blaming Snyder for every bad thing that happens to the Redskins.

Posted by: tundey | December 22, 2008 7:44 AM |

I agree the players lost the game, who is in charge of picking the people who picked the players.

Coaches are responsible for players being disipline and these players are not.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 22, 2008 7:50 AM | Report abuse

I"ll paraphrase what I said earlier: it's the players, not the play-callers. Aikman made a comment last night about how Blache adjusts his approach to fit his players; Zorn must take a long look at that, too, especially his QB.
In the cold, physical NFC east, with a tall, deep-armed qb, you must adjust your approach to who you have. Now that Snyderrato have brought in a 'West Coast Offense' guy, you've either got to draft 'West Coast' players, like Philly, or Zorn adjusts his system to what he has. What bothers me is the 'evil' side of the West Coast system, which we thankfully saw from Andy Reid yesterday: abandoning the run and relying on those 'short passes', etc. Remember that Gibbs came from the 'Air Coryell' coaching tree, and tried a lot of that stuff in 1981. When it gets cold and windy in December, you've got to be able to run the football and eat the clock. In Holmgren's Packer years the best teams could run the football; Mike Shannahan realized in nasty Denver you must be able to run the football, and when they figured that out Elway gets his SB rings.

Watching the Panthers and Ravens is like watching the Gibbs 1.0 Redskins; the only people calling that system 'stale' are the ones who can't run it. Snyder needs to tell Cerrato, "if next year's draft craps out, you're out." Linemen ('o' and 'd'), running backs (to push Portis and Betts), and LB depth seem to be the priorities; when you look at the GMs of successful teams in the league, can you put Cerrato in that class? Is he an Ozzie Newsome, or Bill Poilan?

Poor Joe Bugel should get a combat ribbon for wringing as much out of this o-line that he did. He must have some input to drafting/acquiring o-line talent, as he's coached one of the greatest o-lines of the modern football era.

Players, players, players; the ball is almost back in Synderrato's court, so let us all pray they get the right religion this off-season.

Posted by: pdfordiii | December 22, 2008 7:53 AM | Report abuse

"When it gets cold and windy in December, you've got to be able to run the football and eat the clock"

Not to pick on this statement, but categorically incorrect. Did you happen to watch Matt Cassell in a driving snowstorm, then a rainstorm on a muddy field throw for over 340 yards yesterday?? The pats put up 47 points, but apparently they didnt' get the "you need to run in the bad weather memo". The pats won 3 super bowls by PASSING the ball, this is now a PASSING league. The pats haven't had a guy break 1000 yards rushing since 2004.

When it gets cold in December, you need to be able to score points. Period.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 22, 2008 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Agreed Greg,

You need to be able to score no mateer how you do it.

I'll bet that snow was kicking your a$$ this weekend.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 22, 2008 8:08 AM | Report abuse

"Donnie Avery's catch on the long pass at the end of the game was the final nail"

Who was it that Avery beat? What was that guy's name. Jeez this is gonna bug me all day...

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 22, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Flound, I'm sore in parts that I didn't know I had. My kids loved it, they went sledding while dad broke his back. I'm going to sell my snow-blower and get a flame thrower and melt it next time....

Also, agreed on the offense. Other than throwing to Betts, it was the same old, same old. No creativity, too little, too late. Listening to the radio, its always, "Campbell pumps, Campbell pumps", Zorn has gotten into his head so much that he's afraid to let it fly. I will again harp on the lack of throws to the rooks, and throwing to Thrash. Makes ZERO sense to me.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 22, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

I was encouraged that they actually through one ball down the field yesterday, that is one more then they through last week. Only problem was they through to a double covered Moss.

I thought Davis played well he blocked good and caught a pass, he had one drop on a ball that was at his feet.

There were no trick plays no imagination what so ever. The offense did the same thing it always does. The only reason we scored a touchdown is because of the very short field.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 22, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

oe, lol, thats funny. Tryon downed a punt inside the 5 yesterday...funny there was no mention of that today?? Weird...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 22, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

They are discussing on 980 if JC is the long term solution, Riggo says no they should open it up and let him compete for a job.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 22, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

For Thrash to even be on the field as a receiver is crazy.

I guess no one on the team except for Moss can run a go route.

JC was off all game there were some very good catches made by Betts and Cooley or JC would have looked terrible.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 22, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Great win for the organization. Thank goodness they're be no more turnover next year... My MVP for the year - Greg Blache. They lose Sean Taylor, they have no pass rush (even the sacks yesterday happened after 8 Mississippi) and he's got them at 5th in the NFL. Gotta keep that guy, and hope the offense evolves next year (how could it regress?!)

Posted by: DironTalbert | December 22, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

I disagree with Riggo. I think you need to continue to build stability and confidence in the offense. At best, we've heard that it takes 3 years for a QB to develop in this offense. JC has been solid. He should only get better.

Posted by: TWISI | December 22, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Tackles and guards, tackles and guards, we need to draft, some tackles and guards.

Posted by: DironTalbert | December 22, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

They are discussing on 980 if JC is the long term solution, Riggo says no they should open it up and let him compete for a job.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 22, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

The only way we get rid of JC without setting things back another 2 years is if we dump him and Zorn and bring in McDaniels/Cassell in a package deal.

Otherwise, there's no reason to throw JC under the bus. He's performed admirably behind very poor pass protection and with basically 2 guys to throw to. He's done a great job protecting the ball. This is his first year in the system.

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

I don't get, I really, don't get the sending thrash out on a pattern logic. He is clearly on the downside of his career, and probably wont be back next year, so why bother throwing him the ball?? Not to mention but when was the last time he actually caught a pass??

Not to bring up the NE game again, but the receivers were running routes DOWN the field, and imagine this, it was more than 5 YARDS down the field. Look at Cooley's stats from yesterday, look at Moss's stats from yesterday. If I'm not mistaken BOTH were under 10 yards per catch. Pathetic. Sherm Smith must GOOOOOO...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 22, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

It's a gross oversimplification to say that Zorn "exceeded most expectations" because he may end up with 9 wins this year. His "expectations" were to dramatically overhaul this offense and transform it into one that can win games for this team. After the first 5 weeks, this simply has not been the case. He could have gone 3-13, but as long as his offense was the one keeping the team in the games, Zorn would have been able to keep his job.

What we have here is an even greater imbalance of productivity between offense and defense than we've seen here in a LONG time. We have an offense that struggles to move the ball, and struggles even more putting points on the board. The only saving grace is that this offense does not turn the ball over. In the second half of the season, this offense is averaging less than 11 points per game. I don't care what kind of offense you aspire to be, but that type of production is pathetic.

It looks as though Zorn will keep his job because people will look at his .500 or better record and say "that's not bad for a rookie head coach". Zorn should be on his knees thanking Greg Blache for giving him that opportunity. God help him if that defense ever does collapse.

Posted by: psps23 | December 22, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

BeantownGreg, generally I'd agree with you. However, I think yesterday's game plan of trying to save JC's butt from the pressure Jimmy Johnson brings with quick passes was the result of the OT situation. I do agree that Zorn's offense lack imagination as a whole.

Zorn needs to hire an experienced OC or at least an "offensive consultant" to help formulate the gameplans.

Posted by: TWISI | December 22, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

It looks as though Zorn will keep his job because people will look at his .500 or better record and say "that's not bad for a rookie head coach". Zorn should be on his knees thanking Greg Blache for giving him that opportunity. God help him if that defense ever does collapse.

Posted by: psps23 | December 22, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

You'd expect the defense to be carrying the load since they are using the same scheme with the same basic personnel. But I don't see how that is relevant. No doubt the offense has room to grow, but if you consider that Zorn came in primarily to develop JC, then you'd have to say he's on the right track.

JC will likely finish this season with the highest QB rating of his career, his fewest turnovers (despite being sacked 37 times so far) and his highest completion % yet. Again, JC has NOT been the problem with this offense, and you have to credit Zorn for at least doing that...

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Congrats on reminding me of what a jerk you are, JLC...what with the whole "I know the Skins won but they should've won the Rams game" bit. Two whole paragraphs about a game played 2 months ago. That's a Wednesday post dummy, not less than 24 hours after a desperately needed win.

Let's hope they can close it out right against San Fran...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 22, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

twisi, it wasn't just limited to yesterday. How about a reverse? How about getting the ball into the hands of DThomas, or Portis via the pass. I think this team has some talented offensive players, but they're not being utilized..

agreed on the consultant

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 22, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Hey, can the RI regulars chip in and buy my a nice holiday gift...

Short by an Inch:
The 2008 Philadelphia Eagles

Thanks

Eagles Fan Adam

Posted by: wtf_is_up_with_wp_registration | December 22, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Yes, kudos to Blache. Week in and week out, the man seems to have a solid defensive game plan. I can only imagine what he would do with a real defensive line and linebackers who actually had speed on the outside. It would be SCARY.

Ever since Gibbs brought him in, I have been convinced that Stan Hixon is NOT the answer as our WR coach. And a few people in the league has been whispering the same thing; the man simply isn't an NFL-calibre coach. That has a lot to do with lack of production/development of our wideouts since he arrived.

And speaking of receivers, come on....whenever I see #83 on the field for anything other than special teams, I can only shake my head. Defensive staffs laugh when they see that. I say cut Thrash in the off-season. As long as he's on the roster, there'll be a temptation to put him in at wideout, and that's just a liability.

having said all that, hail to our boys for pulling out a win in the NFC East. Now, let's hope the Eagles beat that Texas team next week.

Posted by: Carl739 | December 22, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

TE, that was a fair point yesterday.

We have played some great defenses all year and had an overall scary schedule, but as the saying goes, at this time of year, you are what you are and we're ranked 29th in scoring, tough schedule or not.

I think two or three changes on the OL (one FA/two rookies or one rookie/two FA's) could make a world of difference for our offense as a whole next year though.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 22, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

His "expectations" were to dramatically overhaul this offense and transform it into one that can win games for this team.

In 1 year, with an OL that could star in the movie "Space Cowboys?"

Anyone who "expected" some sort of magical transformation in a year was folling themselves.

Posted by: VTDuffman | December 22, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

adam, I have some bonus points that I can help you out with that.

How much will it cost, then can you do the math to determine the cost in RI bonus points, and I'll mail them to you.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 22, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

"JC will likely finish this season with the highest QB rating of his career, his fewest turnovers (despite being sacked 37 times so far) and his highest completion % yet. Again, JC has NOT been the problem with this offense, and you have to credit Zorn for at least doing that...

Posted by: p1funk"

What does it say about Zorn's offense when it's this unproductive despite having good stats from all its major players?

I certainly don't think Campbell is the problem. Portis isn't either. Neither is Moss. Neither is Cooley. At some point, you have to say to yourself "what is the problem?" Campbell makes all the good decisions, which is why his completion percentage is where it is, and why his turnover numbers are as low as they are (lowest in the league). Portis has been an animal all year. Moss can only do what his opportunities allow. Cooley has been as solid as ever, if unspectacular. Is it really all the o-line? Would a solid offensive line transform this offense from less than 11 ppg to 24+ ppg? I don't think so personally, but I guess it is possible. IMO, there is something inherently wrong with the scheme/playcalling.

I've never disputed Zorn's work as a QB coach. He knows what he is talking about with regards to QBs. It's everything else outside of that that I have concerns about.

Posted by: psps23 | December 22, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Not to come off an a-hole, but The pats still ran the ball more than they passed it yesterday.
38-42 pass-run

Posted by: alex35332 | December 22, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

JC will likely finish this season with the highest QB rating of his career, his fewest turnovers (despite being sacked 37 times so far) and his highest completion % yet. Again, JC has NOT been the problem with this offense, and you have to credit Zorn for at least doing that...

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

p1funk, I'd agree that Jason Campbell isn't the problem, but his high completion percentage and low turnover numbers are coming from running an ultraconservative dink and dunk offense that doesn't threaten to score many (if any) points.

Having a banged up offensive line isn't helping things, but if I were a Skins fan, I'd like to have seen the offense gradually improve as the season wore on, not decline like it did. As an Iggles fan, I can only hope that VinDan will once again ignore the Skins O (and D) lines in a quest to get 1-2 more flashy skill players to push the Skins over the hump...

Adam

Posted by: wtf_is_up_with_wp_registration | December 22, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Is there a team that gets more breaks than the Giants?
They obviously got Carolina on the only night this year they were without their best D tackle. Kasay misses the GW FG by a foot. Giants obviously win the coin toss. Giants muff the punt which would have been game over except it bounced right back up into his lap.

Giants are good, but I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop and the stars finally don't align for them when it matters...

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 22, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Not to come off an a-hole, but The pats still ran the ball more than they passed it yesterday.
38-42 pass-run

Posted by: alex35332 | December 22, 2008 8:47 AM |

Alex,

Come on they ran it more because they were up by like 40 points, they threw it early to score then once they had a huge lead they ran it to be nice.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 22, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

"Anyone who "expected" some sort of magical transformation in a year was folling themselves.

Posted by: VTDuffman"

Anyone that expects any "magical transformation" from Zorn's offense within the next couple years is fooling themselves. If you couldn't expect better out of this group, then you're simply satisfied with extreme mediocrity.

People talk about our schedule and how "tough" it is. Philly, NYG, and Dallas all had basically the same schedule with the exception of not playing Detroit or New Orleans, two of the worst defenses in the league. Guess where their offenses are ranked? #7, #8, and #9. In scoring? #2, #10, and #14. The excuses are getting unbearable.

Posted by: psps23 | December 22, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Not to belabor the point, but given the ineffective offense yesterday, Zorn should've given Todd Collins a shot at q-back.

Not that Collins is the long-term solution, but that if he gets in, runs the offense efficiently (quicker decision making/accurate thrower), it'll readily explain-- in two ways-- what's up with the Skins' offense.

It makes no sense to carry three q-backs and not use one when the starter has been as ineffective as Campbell has been.

Campbell just isn't an accurate thrower. The post-corner route he missed to Fred Davis and ball into the dirt that missed an open receiver runnning a square in are continuing proof that maybe the issue in the passing game is the q-back.

If the game is on NFL replay, count the number of times Campbell hits a receiver in stride. If it's above 1, then I'm wrong.

But I'm not.

BTW: earlier, I posted that the Skins should take a shot at bringing in Derrick Ward to compliment Portis in a three-headed running back by committee attack and was laughed at. Last night, Ward lit up the Panthers for 215 yards with two strong breakaway runs. Who's laughing now?

Portis playing hurt makes no sense. He doesn't have fresh legs. Betts is a fine compliment, but Ward has his size plus speed in the open field. Yes: I know the team needs lineman. But a speedy big back can't be ignored.

Zorn

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 22, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

al are you serious? they lead 31-0 at half time, they passed for 345 yards in a driving snowstorm on a muddy field.

Are you including the kneel downs at the end of the game, in that breakdown??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 22, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Anyone that expects any "magical transformation" from Zorn's offense within the next couple years is fooling themselves. If you couldn't expect better out of this group, then you're simply satisfied with extreme mediocrity.

Oh, that's right. You're the "fire the coach" guy.

Fire the coach. Bench Campbell, start Colt Brennan, Hire Bill Cowher and continue to ignore the extreme deficiencies in the The Offensive Line.

I think it's hilarious that you "personally don't think" that an offensive line that doesn't suck wouldn't improve the offense tremendously. You can actually trace this offense's decline in production to the breakdown of the OL, it's well documented.

Posted by: VTDuffman | December 22, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

What Zorn needs is some help at the OC spot. Sherm Smith has about as much experience at the position than Zorn, which is none.

And Todd Collins has no business seeing any time at QB. His arm is weaker than Campbell's, he's slower than Campbell, and he no longer has the advantage of 10 years of experience in the offensive system.

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Is it really all the o-line? Would a solid offensive line transform this offense from less than 11 ppg to 24+ ppg? I don't think so personally, but I guess it is possible. IMO, there is something inherently wrong with the scheme/playcalling.

psps23

Its never just 1 thing psps. Its a combination of things. Most things in life aren't due to a single factor. Football is no different. People want to have something to point at and place the blame, and think that if this one thing is fixed, the whole offense will turn around. The Oline does need some help, some youth. The veterans and rookies will be aided with another whole offseason/training camp in the same system. Zorn's playcalling is happered by the personel he has currently. If the Oline cant pass protect well consistantly, do you think its best to call 5 to 7 step drops and throw the ball downfield on long developing plays when no WR w/the exception of shoe shine boy Moss can make a play on the ball? Its a lot of factors. So dont just put the blame on the Oline, or Zorn or JC. An offense is a machine with many moving parts. If your car's starter wont crank the engine, it doesnt matter how much horse power or torque your engine has, it cant get going without all or most parts working.

BTW: Who came up with this phrase "Kudos to this person for doing this..." I thought kudos was some gay candy bar from the 80's.... why do people insist on giving them out every monday to players/coaches. I dont think they like those candy bars... and it sounds Super Gay.

Posted by: TonyButterFingersHomo1 | December 22, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Ward lit up the Panthers for 215 yards with two strong breakaway runs.

Derrick Ward ran through holes that a Mack Truck could have driven through, he would be supremely inneffective behind this line.

Any Time, effort, draft picks. and/or money not spent on addressing this team's serious line issues is time wasted.

Portis is fine when he has holes to run through, as is Betts, any back is fine when they have holes like that. Get the line to make the holes and you don't need to pay Derrick Ward more money than he's worth to suck here.

Posted by: VTDuffman | December 22, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Giants are good, but I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop and the stars finally don't align for them when it matters...


Posted by: Rypien11 | December 22, 2008 8:49 AM

Don't worry...the shoe will drop right up that @ss when the Panthers come back into NY in the rematch...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 22, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

psp, how do you know they wont improve next year?? I mean, I guess I just don't get that?? Don't first year offenses usually struggle? But you know the future? How?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 22, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Flounder, isn't that what you are supposed to do in every offense system in football, You can pass in snow and crap weather so long as the wind is down. I don't remember seeing what the wind was like during that game. Reagardless, I was just pointing out that its not like they abandon the run in NE like Phi did yesterday in DC.

I would also like to point out that MIstaMoe is in the smallest QB cult in DC, the Cult of Collins. At least the Cult of Colt can argue that Colt will be here next year.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 22, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

"Campbell just isn't an accurate thrower. The post-corner route he missed to Fred Davis and ball into the dirt that missed an open receiver runnning a square in are continuing proof that maybe the issue in the passing game is the q-back."

Posted by: MistaMoe

This is said with a clear confidence of ignorance. (1) Campbell's throw in the dirt came because his arm was hit during his motion. (2) You have no idea where the ball was supposed to be placed for the corner post route. What was the reason Jim Zorn has stated for a lack of PT for these young rookies again? Oh yea, poor route-running. But obviously that throw was all on JC. No shot Fred Davis mis-ran his route. Clear "proof" that the issue is the qb.

For some people, Campbell simply can't win. He's the most inaccurate 62.4% completion passer the league has ever seen.

Posted by: psps23 | December 22, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

moe, enough with the foolish talk of bringing in Ward. The team currently has Portis, as well as Betts under contract for next year, and the year after. Bringing in another running back, is not only not even close to helping the team, but its not going to happen. If you like ward that much follow the Giants.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 22, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

-3 runs for knee's still ends up a 50-50 pass run like every team in the NFL aspires too.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 22, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Anyone that expects any "magical transformation" from Zorn's offense within the next couple years is fooling themselves. If you couldn't expect better out of this group, then you're simply satisfied with extreme mediocrity.

+++++

No one is talking about "magical transformations"; save that for the donkeys who think Todd Collins or Colt Brennan is the answer.

What we are talking about is getting a younger line with better pass protection, we are talking about letting the QB develop in this system for more than one year, we are talking about letting our rookie pass catchers develop beyond their rookie seasons. Nothing about this is "magical"; this is the natural progression of a football team trying to install a new offense with a new coach.

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

There is one reason JC only has 6 interceptions, he does not throw the ball down field or take any chances. His Int's. might go up but so would his TD's if he would throw the ball down the field.

Everyone is saying the offense does'nt give the ball away, well they don't score either.

Do we all agree that Peyton Manning is a great QB, well he has 12 Int's thats 6 more then JC but he also has 26TD's that is 14 more then JC. As a QB you have to take chances to throw TD's and JC is afraid to do that.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 22, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Is MistaMoe really Vinny Cerrato? Only that moron would think that RB is even in the top 5 positions of need here...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 22, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

I actually would like the team to get a good back to eventually usurp Betts but to me that is like priority no 7 on the year.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 22, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Well, it's all woulda, shoulda, coulda, if and but, regarding the Rams loss.

I just hope they finish strong at San Fran and end 9-7.

I think it would be a very positive carry-over into next season.

As for the playoffs, what disgusts me is that the Cardinals (who already clinched the NFC West) may finish 8-8.

Pathetic.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 22, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

There is one reason JC only has 6 interceptions, he does not throw the ball down field or take any chances. His Int's. might go up but so would his TD's if he would throw the ball down the field.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 22, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

And to go downfield you need (1) time to throw the ball and (2) more than just a double-covered Sanatana Moss to throw to.

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

"Don't first year offenses usually struggle?

Posted by: BeantownGreg"

I never said it "wouldn't improve." I said I don't see any "magical transformation" (as some others put it) anywhere in the near future. This offense is well below average now, and at best I see this offense becoming mediocre the next couple years. That's just my opinion based on the "progression" I've seen this year.

And where do you get that first-year offenses usually struggle? Jason Garrett, Josh McDaniels, Tony Sparano, Sean Payton, Mike Mularkey, Cam Cameron. How did these guys fare in their first years with their respective teams? Sure, personnel has something to do with it. But not THIS much. I don't see it in Zorn. Great guy and a great technical coach, but to me he seems like a poor tactician. That's simply my opinion.

Posted by: psps23 | December 22, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Duh-- I'm not a Todd Collins fan. Whenever anybody is ineffective in any sport, a guy gets pulled, another guy is put in, and the coach judges if it's the overall team and effort or just one guy.

That's why there are relief pichers and back up quarterbacks.

Fixing the offense should begin with Zorn determining if it's Campbell or the scheme.

The variety of play calling and formation Zorn used yesterday was outstanding. He made a major effort to involve as many players as possible-- something that's a great sign for the future once the o-line is improved.

But the team has to wonder if Campbell can take the next step with regard to his accuracy. Taking a long look at Colt B or Collins isn't a bad call for a team not headed to the playoffs.

Oh, BTW: Hail

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 22, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

al, they still threw for 345 in a snowstorm on a muddy field. They were up 31-0 at the half. If they kept passing the ball they would have scored 70 points. Great they had a 50/50 split of passes and runs, you cannot argue that they're a passing team, and that they don't become a running team because of the weather. They pass the ball. PERIOD. Regardless of locale of the team, regardless of the weather, they PASS THE BALL.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 22, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

There has got to be a "Mike Holmgren" disciple out there with more offensive coordinator's experience than Sherm Smith/Jim Zorn. Let's find one, give him play-calling duties and let Zorn continue to focus on what he was really brought in to do - Develop a QB.

Posted by: p1funk | December 22, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I think some of you have lost perspective on what would constitute a "terrible" offense. Our offense isn't terrible. It's ranked 20th in the NFL so, yeah, it's weak but there are plenty of other teams you'd look to as "terrible."

Our offense averages 324 yards per game. Offenses that are terrible are Cincinnati (240 yards), Cleveland (257 yards), Detroit (265 yards), Oakland (268 yards). And they averaged that against much easier defenses than the Redskins faced.

Here's the top eight defenses in the NFL:

1. Steelers
2. Ravens
3. Eagles
4. Redskins
5. Titans
6. Vikings
7. Cowboys
8. Giants

That's eight of the games we played, including the team we beat (for the second time) yesterday. Those are the defenses that make good offenses look bad. The team with the best offense in the league -- New Orleans -- only faced two of those defenses and they lost both games.

So, where I'm coming out is that the Redskins have a weak offense that played against the toughest defenses in the league. And we're not going to have a better record until we improve the offense. But I'm not convinced by you who see the offense as "terrible," "disgustingly bad," etc.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 22, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I am not argueing that they are not a passing team but I am going to stand by my statement that they don't abandon the run ah-la Philly or some crazed West Coast systems.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 22, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Here's my pseudo impartial take on the Skins O

offensive personnel: average (skill players above average, o-line below average)
offensive play calling: it stinks

early in the season, the O was a lot more aggressive (see going for it on 4th down at the end of the first eagles game) and it actually scored some points. late in the season, it looked like it was just out there to give the D some rest before they had to go back out on the field.

I understand that with a patchwork O line, you're more limited with what you can (and can't) do with play calling. But at some point, you've got to try to score some points to take pressure off of your defense.

Then again, the Iggles play calling didn't make a lot of sense either, so maybe both coaches had too much eggnog Saturday evening

Adam

btw, wtf was Jim Zorn thinking with that 54 yard field goal attempt in the middle of the first half. did he really think that had any chance?

Posted by: wtf_is_up_with_wp_registration | December 22, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Great guy and a great technical coach, but to me he seems like a poor tactician. That's simply my opinion.

So, dump him and install a whole new system. That's sure to fix everything, right?

Posted by: VTDuffman | December 22, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

And oh, 62% passing rating is great for a guy who throws smoke screens, short curls, hitches, and dump offs.


Bragging about a 62% passing rating is like an NBA center who dunks a lot bragging about his shooting percentage.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 22, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

certainly don't think Campbell is the problem. Portis isn't either. Neither is Moss. Neither is Cooley. At some point, you have to say to yourself "what is the problem?" Campbell makes all the good decisions, which is why his completion percentage is where it is, and why his turnover numbers are as low as they are (lowest in the league).


Posted by: psps23 | December 22, 2008 8:45 AM


What????!! JC makes all the good decisions??? What team are you watching??

His completion percentage is as high as it is for one reason: he throws the dump offs and the check downs all the time. And opposing defenses will let JC throw those patterns all day long. The Redskins' offense is the joke of the league because it is so predictable and easy to defense. Other teams are just shaking their heads because they cannot believe that Zorn can't come up with better ways to use the weapons he has.

And it is fair to question Zorn's QB coaching when it comes to Campbell. The first rule of a good coach is to know what you have to work with and help the player get better (improve the strengths and overcome the weaknesses). But what did Zorn find with Campbell when he got here? Campbell is a big, strong-armed QB who operates best from the shotgun with max protect schemes. So what doees Zorn do? He goes about REMAKING Campbell by overhauling his drop, his stance, his throwing motion, putting him under center 80% of the time, EVEN ON THIRD & LONG and even with obvious blitz coming.

If Zorn was a good coach, he would have looked at Campbell and said either I change my offense to fit him or I find another QB who can run my offense. Instead, Zorn has done the worst: he's tried to change Campbell to fit Zorn's offense. Another lost year of QB development for JC. When you look at other NFL qb's, the good ones are able to avoid the rush and buy more time to throw. JC has a lousy O line, yes, but Zorn has done little to teach him to avoid the rush or get rid of the ball quickly.

All in all, no one should be impressed with Zorn or JC from looking at this season. The only hope here is that either Zorn (or another coach) will figure it out and work to JC's strengths or we find out whether Colt Brennan can run an NFL offense.

Posted by: TS_Alfabet | December 22, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

TE,

Still not buying it they don't score, I don't care if they average 600 yards a game, this offense when it comes to scoring which is what it takes to win is terrible.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 22, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Back in pre-season (when Todd Collins stunk, by the way) the story line was that it takes two or three years for a QB to learn this offense. Zorn and others pointed to Matt Hasselbeck as Exhibit A.

Now that we're 8-7, people want to put in Todd Collins (who looked worse than JC), determine whether JC has it, whether the offense is any good, or whether we should fire Zorn. This is based on the proven premise that the best time to change horses is in the middle of the stream.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 22, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Love the burgundy-and-gold whining about the Giant's "luck". 300 yards rushing; that's pretty lucky. 12 lucky wins, and counting. Sheesh. It's called having an offensive line, people.

Posted by: mdean3 | December 22, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Placky probably saved his job yesterday. I have toi admit he has some nice kicks.

As for Suisham, I don't see him coming back. Too inconsistent.

And as for the rest of the roster, if they leave it intact for next season that's fine with me. Only thing I'd suggest is draft O-linemen, and maybe try for Haynesworth, though I'm not completely sure on that move - I have bad memories of Dana Stubblefield.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 22, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

When you look at other NFL qb's, the good ones are able to avoid the rush and buy more time to throw. JC has a lousy O line, yes, but Zorn has done little to teach him to avoid the rush or get rid of the ball quickly.

This actually couldn't be any less true. There have been multiple games where the announcers have talked about how much Candle has improved in both of these very areas because of Zorn's tutilage, and then cited specific examples in-game to show it.

Two areas where Jason has improved significantly is avoiding the rush, and delivering the ball quicker.

Posted by: VTDuffman | December 22, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

te, put in collins, and bring in Ward.

Super Duper Bowl...here we come....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 22, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Peeps got to be less knee jerk, Blowing it up does not always work and if you do it and don't fix things in a year or two then you can be stuck in a bad way for a generation. San Fran blew it up years ago and still has not recovered nor has Oakland.

We are neither 2 players or 52 players away from being a good team, nor do we need to replace every coach. We need 2 or 3 coaches who can help with play calling and WR development and a handfull of linemen and line backers.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 22, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Love the burgundy-and-gold whining about the Giant's "luck".

What, you mean that one guy way up the thread.

No one here cares about the Giants, we have plenty of our own problems to deal with.

It is pretty telling, however, that you don't have anything better to do with your time than troll some non-playoff team's board for shreds of "disrespect" so you can smack talk or something...

Posted by: VTDuffman | December 22, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

The offense is terrible. You can spin it any way you want. We are at the bottom in scoring points and can't even get 1 first down to ice a game. They need to fix the OL and come back with a much more aggressive scheme next year. We'd have even less points if we didn't get occasional short fields from the D and kick/punt returns.

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | December 22, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I was proud of the skins last night and it was great of them to show show some heart/pride/gonads for a change. Also loved dragging eagles maybe out of playoffs...

Butt I can't get three games out of my head: Rams/Bengals/2nd Cowboys game. Wow. 1 of those games and we have a reason to play week 17. I mean if we are going to end up 9-7 we might as well make the postseason at 10-6. B/c 9-7 gives us false hope and if were going to have false hope I'd rather get a playoff appearance out of the deal.

It so suck t be this close, and especially that the sorry azz Falcons, who this time last year looked about a decade away from anything, have our spot.

Zorn straight up annoys me, but firing him would be dumb. But Vinny Cerrato has gotta go. He makes me want to rip my own entrails out with a swiss army knife. I swear you could give 24 of us RI posters a crack at GM and we'd do a better job.

Mo Mo Morocco!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

TE,

Still not buying it they don't score, I don't care if they average 600 yards a game, this offense when it comes to scoring which is what it takes to win is terrible.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 22, 2008 9:21 AM

Thanks, Flounder. I'm just a lowly talent evaluator, not a defense evaluator. This is how the NFL ranks defenses, not me.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 22, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, Flounder. I'm just a lowly talent evaluator, not a defense evaluator. This is how the NFL ranks defenses, not me.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 22, 2008 9:36 AM |

All the teams in our division played those teams and they all score more points by far then we do.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 22, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

"As for Suisham, I don't see him coming back. Too inconsistent. And as for the rest of the roster, if they leave it intact for next season that's fine with me. Only thing I'd suggest is draft O-linemen"

Exhibit A on why the Snyder years are wash repeat rinse. We accept mediocrity with a "please master may I have another" mentality in Redskins Nation.

I am not a "cut this dude/fire that cat" type mofo, but that statement sorta floors me.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

"His completion percentage is as high as it is for one reason: he throws the dump offs and the check downs all the time."

Is this why his 2 most frequently double-teamed receivers (Moss and Cooley) combine for 50% of the teams overall receptions? 2 players have half of the receptions on an offense that has featured 14 pass-catchers throughout the season. His top 3 WRs (include ARE), bring the percentage up to 66%. I believe Campbell has only completed 21-22% of his passes to RBs.

By comparison, Drew Brees has completed more than 37% of his passes to his RBs. Those are "dump-offs".

It's apparent that people want Campbell to run the routes for his WRs and force them to hold on to the ball as well. Unfortunately, a QB can only do what his WR run. And his WRs run only what the called play dictates. It all comes back to Zorn.

As stated, for some people Campbell simply can't win.

Posted by: psps23 | December 22, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Remember the Skins championship years and the protection Dough Williams, Theisman and the others had? The OL looked like a horseshoe that nothing could penetrate. All together now "Get some freakin linemen"

Posted by: coastallp74 | December 22, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

But Vinny Cerrato has gotta go. He makes me want to rip my own entrails out with a swiss army knife.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2008 9:31 AM

CL--There's a book about this: "How to Rip Your Entrails Out with a Swiss Army Knife For Dummies." I think you can get it 35% off at Amazon. Now I know who it would make a perfect Christmas gift for.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 22, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

oe, lol, thats funny. Tryon downed a punt inside the 5 yesterday...funny there was no mention of that today?? Weird...

Posted by: BeantownGreg

Don't go singing the Hallelujah Chorus over that, Beantown, because the ball was virtually dead due to the spin that Plackmeier put on it. I have yet to see a situation since Tryon has been gunner where he has actually downed a punt that was heading TOWARD the endzone. In fact in yesterday's game Plackmeier deserves all the credit for the incredible placement of his punts, with deadening spin put on the ball that took the decision making out of the gunners' realm.

Posted by: driley | December 22, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, Doug. Jason will look like a pro bowl QB behind a good line. He's smart, has a good arm and just needs the players around him.

Posted by: coastallp74 | December 22, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, Flounder. I'm just a lowly talent evaluator, not a defense evaluator. This is how the NFL ranks defenses, not me.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 22, 2008 9:36 AM |

All the teams in our division played those teams and they all score more points by far then we do.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 22, 2008 9:39 AM

Yes, and the NFL ranks their offenses ahead of ours. I agree. They are better. But, I can't go to "terrrible" with you. We're still 20th.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 22, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

When you look at other NFL qb's, the good ones are able to avoid the rush and buy more time to throw. JC has a lousy O line, yes, but Zorn has done little to teach him to avoid the rush or get rid of the ball quickly.

This actually couldn't be any less true. There have been multiple games where the announcers have talked about how much Candle has improved in both of these very areas because of Zorn's tutilage, and then cited specific examples in-game to show it.

Two areas where Jason has improved significantly is avoiding the rush, and delivering the ball quicker.

Posted by: VTDuffman | December 22, 2008 9:24 AM


Really?? I suppose everything is relative. Is Campbell 'better' than the last few years? I have to agree that now he only sucks at holding onto the ball too long and taking unnecessary sacks whereas before he REALLY sucked at that, so, yeah, that's some improvement.

And since when have commentators on TV known anything about football? All but a few are worse than useless. When the skins were winning, these commentators were pointing out JC's progress (even though there were still serious problems with scoring).

It is still open to debate whether JC is worth the investment of long-term commit for this team. I suppose we could keep him and wait until we have a line as good as 91 when even Rypien could stand back there forever and find an open receiver,but how many years will that take? OTOH, there are qb's around the league who are actually good WITHOUT a decent o line. might be nice to see if Brennan is one of those....

Posted by: TS_Alfabet | December 22, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

riley, re-read my post. If thats singing praises, then you've misread me. I was merely pointing out FACTS. Tryon downed a punt inside the 5 yard line. Period.

It was 'leigh torrence-like'....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 22, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

beep-peep....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 22, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Remember the Skins championship years and the protection Dough Williams, Theisman and the others had? The OL looked like a horseshoe that nothing could penetrate. All together now "Get some freakin linemen"

Posted by: coastallp74 | December 22, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Can all those "old schoolers" like this please go crawl back under that rock in the dirt? DUDE!!! Its 2008!!! 1991 was 17 freaking years ago!!! Let it go!!! Most of all, Im sick of "old schoolers" comparing a team from 17 years ago to teams today, its a completely different game! Free Agency, players who only care about themselves, multi million dollar contracts for all! Daniel "the jewish gnome" Snyder!!! Wake up!!! STFU w/comments like "well the Skins did this back 20 years ago and it worked, why not do it now..... " go post somewhere else. Ok, sorry, I feel better now.

Posted by: TonyButterFingersHomo1 | December 22, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

I am not a "cut this dude/fire that cat" type mofo, but that statement sorta floors me.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2008 9:39 AM |
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I'm not the cut him/fire him type either.

But I can't see who we should cut for sure other than Suisham.

If we draft O-linemen, they may/may not work out, so I think keeping Kendall, Thomas, Samuels and even Jansen (as a back-up) is prudent.

The backs are good, I believe JC is the QB for this franchise for the foreseeable future, the young WRs are going to (hopefully) develop, and the TEs are good.

On defense, the secondary is great, the linebackers are solid, the D-line plays the run well, but they do need to generate more pressure on the QB.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 22, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

"His completion percentage is as high as it is for one reason: he throws the dump offs and the check downs all the time."

Is this why his 2 most frequently double-teamed receivers (Moss and Cooley) combine for 50% of the teams overall receptions? 2 players have half of the receptions on an offense that has featured 14 pass-catchers throughout the season. His top 3 WRs (include ARE), bring the percentage up to 66%. I believe Campbell has only completed 21-22% of his passes to RBs.

By comparison, Drew Brees has completed more than 37% of his passes to his RBs. Those are "dump-offs".

It's apparent that people want Campbell to run the routes for his WRs and force them to hold on to the ball as well. Unfortunately, a QB can only do what his WR run. And his WRs run only what the called play dictates. It all comes back to Zorn.

As stated, for some people Campbell simply can't win.

Posted by: psps23 | December 22, 2008 9:40 AM

Absolutely. In the Zorn universe, the QB throws short dump off's to the WR's and TE because it is predicated on the short throwing game. Look at the yards per catch. Defenses are giving up the short passes all day long and laughing at the Redskins in the process.'

Nobody said that Campbell can't throw a short pass, at least 62% of the time. But that's no great feat for an NFL qb, contrary to your bragging on JC for high completion % (which isn't even that great).

Posted by: TS_Alfabet | December 22, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

i dont think the skins will ever lose to the eagles again because of what mcnabb has said after both loses. he basically called the skins a terrible team. he said that the eagles should not lose against the skins because they are better than the skins. go skins. knock him out next year.

Posted by: rls1041 | December 22, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Andy Reid doesn't call the plays, Morhingweig does.

Offense was dreadful, defense was amazing. Something needs to change on the offensive side of the ball next year, they are just terrible. No way should Campbell get an extension. Let him play out the last year of his contract and if he is still at this same exact level, let him leave via free agency.

Also, nitpicking at this point but the decision to have Suisham try a 54 yard field goal was beyond stupid. Even Suisham knew he couldn't make that kick.

Posted by: chirsch | December 22, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Before we talk about that great win, let's bring up the obvious about a game played 2 months ago so we can start this piece off in the most negative nature possible.

Vintage Jasno!

Posted by: jahs4fun | December 22, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

It's tough to envision any owner whacking a rookie coach for basically exceeding most expectations.
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Definitely, but of all the talk bout getting rid of Zorn, I have not read or heard of any indication by Snyder or Cerrato that they were considering that. So why does JLC, or Mike Wise bring that up. I am no fan of Snyder but sounds like ideal speculation by these "reporters". JLC, do you have any insight on this, do you talk regularly with Snyder on his level? Post needs to get rid of Wise, JLC, Jenkins and Shapiro.

Posted by: gatsu | December 22, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Hey!

Don't forget the drastic downturn in the number of penalties this week over the last few weeks!

Posted by: Section506 | December 22, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

JC still can't master that step-up in the pocket move that good qb's perform. There are nymerous times during the year that he could have stepped up and run or stepped up and bought more time. He did it against New Orleans and he ran it a couple of times yesterday. His pocket awareness is lacking.

Posted by: joeboggs | December 22, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Also, nitpicking at this point but the decision to have Suisham try a 54 yard field goal was beyond stupid. Even Suisham knew he couldn't make that kick.

Posted by: chirsch | December 22, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

If the Eagles did anything on offense early in the game after this stupid move, then they would have taken control. I couldn't agree with you more on this move.

Posted by: joeboggs | December 22, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I want to see Rhinehart play as well. It's about next season now, and how does it help this team for next season by keeping Fabini in? Fabini probably won't be with the Skins next season, so let Rhinehart play right tackle. It will at least give him some reps and the coaches will get a better feel for how he plays in game situations. Plus, I think he's a better run blocker than Fabini.

While on that subject, why was Malcolm Kelly inactive yesterday? How do these young guys develop if they cannot play? Maybe they should make Randal "hands-of-stone/punt-returnis-notus" El inactive for the last game and let the youngsters have a go of it. Devin Thomas already contributes as much as El with his one catch a week, plus I would like to see him return a few punts.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 22, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I disagree with Riggo on his assessment of JC. Until we have a good offensive line who can open holes and pass protect on a regular basis (i.e. see the Giants and Cowboys lines), it will be hard for JC to ever have the time and confidence to take many shots downfield. Given some of the hits he has taken this year, it's amazing he hasn't missed a snap. One of the WR's who was drafted (Thomas, Kelly) need to setp up next year, but the O-Line is our most critical area with replacements/depth needed at multiple positions.

Portis' production dropped as a result of two things: injuries from overuse and the deterioration in play of the O-Line over the last half of the season. I doubt any running back would be gaining 100+ years behind our line with virtually no threats downfield in the passing game. Portis was being hit in the backfield 5-10 times a game the last half of the year.

Joe Bugel should be given a medal for getting what he could out of this aging, over the hill crew. Provide him some young talent like he was given back in the early eighties and let's see what he can do with them to build a solid O-line.

Posted by: wizfan89 | December 22, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know why Reinhardt isn’t getting any playing time?

He’s young, fresh, a third rounder and has been learning the offense all season. Also, the O-line is banged up!

Why isn’t he getting any reps?

Posted by: heyjoe728 | December 22, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Also if memory serves, Suisham missed a very makeable field goal that day. Say what you will, the Kendall play was a fluke, missing a field goal by Suisham was not a fluke. In yesterday's game his miss, was almost decisive. There may have been other games in which his kicking contributed big time to a loss but the Rams game will stick in my craw for a long time. There shouldn't be any competition next year, there needs to be a replacement for Suisham.

Posted by: getitritegov | December 22, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

So, when are the Redskins going to start running the West Coast offense?

Just a question because what we saw out there in 2008 was like no WCO I have seen since the Bengals and 49ers popularized it back in the late 1970's.

Posted by: leopard09 | December 22, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Hey the Snyder bad karma continues... His appetite for coaching changes has created a vortex of failure against ex Skins coaches. Saunders from STL and Marvin from Cinn... Serves the fantasy owner/micromanager right.

Posted by: jercha | December 22, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

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