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Monday Morning H-Back

Let's start with the good. I liked everything I saw from Jason Campbell. That went much better from his standpoint than I think anyone could have expected. He showed everything that I expected in the poise, confidence and intangible department, and also executed efficiently, spread the ball around, made some great throws and capitalized on his athleticism. That lack of support he received from the defense, running game and receivers (anyone still want to argue Lloyd has not been a total flop?) was appalling, yet the kid never let it get to him.

I will discuss JC at length later this week, but let's move on to some other topics.

1) I don't see any way Gregg Williams fails to take incredible amounts of heat for this defense. They are in shambles, and he picked the players for the most part. He deemed others sufficient to walk away - Antonio Pierce and Ryan Clark - and seems to have vastly overestimated the worth of his scheme's ability to turn average players into top notch contributors. He's not coaxing decent performances out of anyone this season. As we've documented on the blog and in the paper before, the overall talent level of the defense is not great - several players have commented on that privately as well - but again, these are Gregg's guys.

You can't tell me they have less skill than San Francisco's defense, for example, but look at the job Mike Nolan, another one of The Snyder's former whipping boys, is doing out there. We all know Archuleta and Carter are not stars, but come on, at which point is it incumbent on the coach to devise a way to elicit a few big plays from somebody. Anybody? I mean, who is actually impacts a game positively from a defensive standpoint on a consistent. Give me the name of one player or coach, please? Golston? Springs a bit now that he's getting healthy?

They are going to have start from scratch over there. Players readily admit they are messing up all the time tactically and in their tackling, but the technique they are being taught and the defense they are running is getting shredded over and over again on largely the same plays. They get killed over the middle in Cover-2, and they rarely get the QB when they run Cover-0. Williams' once impeccable feel for his players and ability to call the right blitz at the right is gone. He's lost his fastball, entirely.

The inability to make any sort of prescient adjustments in the third quarters of game is bordering on unforgivable. The Redskins have been in the last 6 games at the half - leading in many - and the defense has completely choked coming out of the locker room. No way to absolve the coaches of blame on that.

2) This Archuleta thing is not going to end pretty, I fear (has there ever been amicable splits since Snyder took over? LaVar, Champ, Pierce, Coles - notice a pattern?).. This one has LaVar written all over it, only this time I don't see the player playing nice and leaving money on the table to get out. Has Adam had a poor season? We all know the answer. Now, who in the secondary has not?

I'm sorry but this smells personal to me, when you give Vernon Fox all the snaps after Troy Vincent goes down. They are making an example out of Archuleta, but Sean Taylor and Carlos Rogers - the recent top 10 picks - never get yanked for even a single play when they get burned repeatedly.

They wanted Arch Deluxe so badly they went crazy with the money. No one made them do that. For Williams to try to tell me he's looking at Vernon Fox for the future on the same day they don't give a snap to Rocky McIntosh - again - doesn't fly. Archuleta is paying for the sins of the entire defense. He's the fall guy. But with all they have invested in him, I would have thought Sunday, with Vincent going down, would have been the perfect chance to try to rebuild his confidence a bit and throw him back in there. Maybe build some good will for the future.

Nah. He rotted on the bench. Archuleta came thisclose to saying how he really feels to me Sunday, then thought better of it. But there are some very real issues between him and the coaching staff - he is not alone - and after three years of the defensive coaching staff jumping on players and being brutally frank in their assessments, you wonder if that starts to get old. Particularly when the coaches, and their schemes, no longer appear infallible.

3) Which brings me to the lack of intensity. When multiple players of your defense concede after a huge loss that the opposing offense ran them over, played at a high tempo and wanted it more, you've got massive, gaping, crisis-level problems. Your D sets the tone, establishes your identity, and must bring a punishing attitude to work. This defense has nothing close to a swagger. I asked Williams about what I saw as a flat performance after the game, particularly the ridiculous 14, play 85 yard, 9 minute drive they gave up right after JC gave the Skins a 10-3 lead, and he said the team was fired up on the sidelines and was playing with emotion.

Sorry, that doesn't pass my eye test. And when guys like Griffin throw around phrases like "We laid down," you just might be cooked.

In 2004 I saw a defense that would run through walls for this coaching staff. They certainly have not played that way in a long, long time.

4) No one this defensive coaching staff ever talks about former cornerbacks coach DeWayne Walker, who left to become D coordinator at UCLA in the offseason, and is doing a heck of a job. You can't convince me that his departure has been a good thing for this organization, and I also don't blame him a bit for leaving. It's an unavoidable thing in this business. I'm not saying anyone is to blame on either and Walker's replacement, Jerry Gray is as respected as they come. But this secondary has been a mess all season, and you have to think Walker's absence has been felt.

5) Picked up some other details on the other big loss from the secondary, Ryan Clark. Been digging around a little bit, and while the Redskins gave Arch Deluxe $10 million guaranteed, they low-balled Ryan. According to people very much in the know, the Redskins initial signing bonus offer to Clark was $500,000, and they went as "high" as $750,000. Excuse me while I cough.

Clark told the team repeatedly that he would immediately sign, at any point, for $1.5 mil bonus on a four year deal worth a maximum, yes, that's maximum, of $5.8 million, according to sources. Snyder told him he would never see that kind of money. It was brought up to Snyder that in fact, all Ryan was asking for was in essence the contract that injured safety Matt Bowen had signed with the Redskins a few years prior, and, given the passage of time, and Clark's production, that was a plenty fair salary request for a starting safety on a top-10 defense.

Snyder told Clark that the team was through overspending on players like it did for Bowen, and he had learned from his mistakes. Yes, you read that last sentence correctly. He actually said that prior to last March's ridiculous free agent splurge.

Clark received $7 million over four years, with $1.65 million guaranteed, from the World Champion Pittsburgh Steelers, and has been making plays for them all season. The Redskins could be facing another LaVargate with Archuleta. Some things never change.

To his credit, Snyder ducked out of a meeting to calll and congratulate Clark on his contract from Pittsburgh in March , to thank him for his service to the team and to tell him he would always have a home at Redskins Park. Classy move, but, like with Antonio Pierce, it came way too late.

By Jason La Canfora  |  November 20, 2006; 11:23 AM ET
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Defense sucks

Posted by: Rob | November 20, 2006 11:28 AM | Report abuse

J. Campbell - wow, this guy impressed me and gives me hope for the future. Brunell probably would have been sacked 5-6 times in this game, but Campbell was able to get away from the rush and complete passes because of his mobility in the pocket. We've certainly improved at QB. Just compare Brunell's last game:

Brunell engineered 3 points of offense and threw an interception for a TD.

Campbell's only game:
Engineered 17 points of offense without Portis or S. Moss, and did not thow any interceptions. Tough to improve on this game, but Campbell will get better. His decision making was fantastic for a rookie QB!!!

Worth the traded draft picks?

Posted by: Max | November 20, 2006 11:29 AM | Report abuse

There is no hope in sight until there are wholesale changes made in upper management. It's as simple as that. No matter which players they bring in (and overpay).

Posted by: Rob | November 20, 2006 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Excellent review JLC. Very good insight!!

So we want to draft a DE in the first round. We have drafted defense early in the draft the last several years and have nothing to show for it: S. Taylor has shown signs of being a great player, but he's not there yet, don't know what the hell is wrong with C. Rogers, and Rocky McIntosh can't even win a starting job over Warrick Holdman. What makes anybody think using an early draft pick on defense again this year is going to help? If we draft a DE, he'll just sit on the bench and watch Andre Carter and Philip Daniels play all season. Gwilliams will not play a rookie DE. Seems like we are one of the slowest teams in the league on developing our young talent. THAT IS A COACHING PROBLEM. I also believe Gwilliams style of defense has taken away some of the things S. Taylor does best. He's a natural ball hawk and when given the freedom to rome could come up with a lot of INT's (e.g., Miami). Now he has to play in a disciplined defense and isn't given the freedom he needs to be a ball hawk. He's actually regressed with G. Williams coaching, as did Lavar Arrington, another ball hawk player. How many years can we continue to draft defensive players, only to watch the defense get worse. I would suggest taking an O-lineman in the first round if you ask me. Hey, maybe we can trade G. Williams for a draft pick.

Posted by: Max | November 20, 2006 11:38 AM | Report abuse

As bad as the defense is playing now, I believe with Jason Campell in there at QB we will have a shot to win any game. He's going to put up points for this team. I love his arm strength, but his accuracy was a very pleasant surprise!!

Posted by: Max | November 20, 2006 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Not a Joe Gibbs team.

Sometimes, you cannot see the forest for the trees.

There has been so much discussion on the Redskins winning free agency in March and totally crashing and burning on those choices during the season that I missed another glaring fact that this mess is all about the front office and this is not a "Joe Gibbs" team.

We have essentially done the same thing with the coaching staff as we have done in FA - brought in a bunch of high priced "superstar" assistants (too many cooks in my view).

The saddest thing is that Joe Gibbs has been sold on this approach by "The Danny" and "The Vinny". Joe has put so many layers between himself and the players and personnel process that I cannot honestly think this is really a "Joe Gibbs" team anymore.

Joe Gibbs teams feel close to and play hard for their coach (and assistant coaches).

Joe Gibbs teams overachieve and play with heart.

This is like the tragic Greek story of King Midas, who had the golden touch, but in so attaining it, accicentally kills someone he loves (his daughter). The Danny has managed to use his golden touch to turn this team into a money-making juggernaut, but in the process, he has killed the spirit of this team and it's fans.

Posted by: Daddy-O | November 20, 2006 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Jason, do you think some defensive players see the treatment that LaVar and others have gotten recently along with the giant candy (aka huge contracts) Synder has handed out to players like Arch Deluxe and decided playing hard for a team that doesn't seem to appreciate its "core" players is not worth the effort?

For all this talk of core Redskins it seems everytime player like Clark or Pierce reaches free agent status they're let go in the worst manner possible. Only for the team to bring in some over paid player who underperforms. The team has no idenity outside of its profligate spending habits.

Posted by: Ramo | November 20, 2006 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Great points JLC, I have said all along that Grilliams must shoulder the blame for this D1 All-America shabingus...

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | November 20, 2006 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I hate bill Maas but he did have one good point during the game. He put up a graphic showing all of the great coaching minds on this staff. But, as he said, each of those coaches gets a little bit of input, and the result is a team with no single identity. We can't figure out if we are a power-o, west coast O, run-and-shoot O, or any other kind of O you can think of. I don't think there is a word to describe the type of O we are using. It's a hybrid combining every different type of offense you can think of. We don't do any one think often enough for the players to become comfortable running it. The problem with the offense is that the players were selected to perform the Joe Gibbs offense. Their skills fit the mold of the Joe Gibbs offense, but now they are running the Al Saunders offense which requires different skills, particularly from the front 7. Al saunders needs to bring in some O-linemen that have the skills he's looking for if we are going to have success running with his playbook. Unfortunately that may take a few years. By then Danny will have fired him and we'll be back to square one.

Posted by: Max | November 20, 2006 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Campbell should have been starting since week two at the latest. Gibbs was too in love with Brunell -- and amazingly still seems to be -- and Saunders was too in love with Collins to see this.

Betts is not a number one back -- he's proven that time and time again. Duckett should be the number one guy for the rest of the season.

The defense is just a flat-out embarrassment. The league has spotted several weaknesses in the talent and the scheme and Williams has failed to adjust. Gibbs has to put him on notice, and if the D doesn't improve in fundamental areas, he should fire him. Williams has a great track record and I'm sure Gibbs would take a lot of crap for the move, but I fear Williams may have lost the players.

Posted by: Kyle | November 20, 2006 11:51 AM | Report abuse

has there ever been amicable splits since Snyder took over?

That's not totally fair. Yes, there have been more than a few bad splits. But Smoot and Ramsey left on decent terms, if I recall. When Gardner said he wanted out, they kept their word and moved him. And honestly, what split is going to be amicable when you're essentially telling a person "we don't need you" or "you're replacable?" Is that ever a conversation that ends well for everyone?

But to your point, yes, the Archuletta Experiment is probably going to end badly. And you are very right that they were sending a message by not using him.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 20, 2006 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell's debut -- you couldn't (realistically) hope for a better performance that what the Kid did on Sunday. Very encouraging.

What we have done with Duckett is outrageous. Outrageous. Portis is shut down for the season. Why we're not giving at least equal time to Duckett (with him and Betts both in contract years) is the kind of gross mismanagement that has become characteristic of this franchise in the Snyder Epoch.

Also we've been monitoring the head-coaching prospects on the Acu-Coach 3000 for assistants around the league. Since the Redskins have such a packed staff, they appear prominently on the weekly reports. Gregg Williams' stock has been plunging, but I think he still has a chance to take over as head coach ... in Oakland.

I'm just saying.

Posted by: I'm Just Saying | November 20, 2006 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Broke my ankle last night and couldn't sleep, so I get up this morning and it is JaLa on FOX!

You looked good bro.

I always point out to people that Grilliams was fired from Snuffalo. He is far from perfect. In fact, he sucked. 17-31.

Coincidence that when he has alot of influence, outside of strict defensive coordinator duties, on a team that they tank?

I think not.

Posted by: The Gimp | November 20, 2006 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers flat out stinks

Posted by: Chief Clancy Wiggum | November 20, 2006 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I need a few hours of optimism from yesterday before I'll indulge in any more negativity. JC played really, really well and is pretty much the only shining beacon at this point. BLloyd should be ashamed of himself for dropping that first pass...what a sham. But now we have a QB with a big arm, that has mobility and poise. And I don't remember any quick dumps to Betts... the best part of the WHOLE day to me. Brunell was a good guy..but it's time to move on- JC is in town for the foreseeable future.

Posted by: T | November 20, 2006 11:54 AM | Report abuse

*snort* Snyder told Clark that the team was through overspending on players like it did for Bowen, and he had learned from his mistakes. *snort*


Are you kidding me? I w2on't rant about this - all you lo vely peeps are much better at ranting than lil ol me ... but WTF?

JC was good. He has potential.
STaylor missed more tackles than he made.
Definately missed Moss and Portis.
GRilliams has to go. I always thought bullying and intimdation tactics always ALWAYS backfire.

Hope everyone is having a lovely day. Thank the Lord for a short work week.


Posted by: SallieMae | November 20, 2006 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Wow... I seriously can't think of any other team out there with as little going for them as we do. Maybe Detroit?

I know we have JC in there, FINALLY, but we have become the Detroit's and Arizona's of the NFL now. SF has even passed us. Sad.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 20, 2006 11:55 AM | Report abuse

JLC - What do you think is the possibility the Redskins could:

- Trade down in the First round for two 1st rd picks
- Swap positions with the Broncos (with one of the picks)

This way, we could keep both 1st round picks (albeit one will be lower than what we could have had) and more importantly not lose the third rounder we gave up for TJ Duckett.

I know this will never happen, because the Skins seem enchanted with the "star power" of players, but at this point we need to think quantity, not quality.

Posted by: BT | November 20, 2006 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I call it "Danny's cycle of death." He's seems like a child with ADD. He doesn't have the patience needed to build a successful franchise. You can relate it to his business life, he got extremely rich at a very young age. ADD might be a quality in the business world, but you need to have patience to develop a strong football franchise!! Hey, the skins might be where San Diego is today, if Danny had the patience to keep Marty Shotty around for a few years. The two cornerstones of any good franchise are head coach and QB, and in the last 7-8 years we have quite a list of those, while New England has maintained the same QB and coach during that period.

Posted by: Max | November 20, 2006 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure Williams now wishes he had taken one of the many head coaching positions available to him during the off season.

Jason, who was Gibbs so angry at yesterday? Williams? Saunders? The players? All of them?

Posted by: Lisa | November 20, 2006 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Joe, Gardner. Rod, did not end all that well and neither did Ramsey. Patrick never said anything publicaly, but he has issues with his he was handled here.

But furthermore, I am not talking about trades for lesser players like these two, I am talking about stars or guys due for major paydays entering the end of the contracts, not guys like Patrick and Rod who were dealt for 6th round picks with a year left on their contracts.

What choice did they have with Gardner, Rod? He stunk and they wanted him out at least as much he wanted out. That's a win-win.

Even a guy like Brad Johnson, as well liked as they come in the league, left on bad terms. That's how it goes.

Ramo, everyone on this team sees your point about always giving the money to guys from other teams. It's an accepted fact. But I don't think that has stopped anyone from playing hard.
It has kept guys from thinking they'll be around here all that long, though, "core Redskin" or not.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | November 20, 2006 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Said the Redskin head coach: "We don't have to [worry] about who's going to play quarterback for a while. He's our guy. Hopefully he can stay healthy and hopefully he can keep getting better and go the distance. He played very well."

That was Steve Spurrier on Patrick Ramsey's first NFL action in 2002. Ramsey went 20-of-34 for 268 yards, two touchdowns and no interceptions. Worked out well for him and the Redskins, didn't it?

I don't want to dump all over Jason Campbell after a solid first start, but let's not anoint him the answer just yet. Hopefully, I will eat these words at some point but I think some perspective is in order.

Still, the best line of the game belongs to Boswell: "Campbell ran the offense as well without Clinton Portis and Santana Moss as Mark Brunell did with them."

Posted by: G Money | November 20, 2006 12:01 PM | Report abuse

We need an adult to come in and take Mr. Snyder's toy away until he learns how to play with it, and share. His reign has been so unorganized and frutiless. In any other town he would have been run out. But love our skins so much and we are willing to take sooooo much abuse. Somene please call Ron Wolf.

Posted by: Geo | November 20, 2006 12:02 PM | Report abuse

How many possessions did JC have in the 2nd half? It seemed like TB just ran off three 9 minute drives. We lost time of possession by 15 minutes! That's an entire quarter. 20 points in 3 quarters...not bad for the O if you ask me.

This D is painful to watch

Posted by: wtf | November 20, 2006 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Snyder told Clark that the team was through overspending on players like it did for Bowen, and he had learned from his mistakes.

I'm curious about the timing of this. Before the CBA was extended, the Skins were in terrible cap trouble and were going to have to cut a lot of playes. When the CBA was completed, the cap went up significantly and they had plenty of room to add free agents. Just wondering if Snyder made this comment before he knew they'd have cap room or after?

And didn't you say Grilliams gives Snyder/Cerato a defensive wishlist? Seems like he should be the one accountable for the decision to sign Arch over Clark.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 20, 2006 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Why is Vinny still with the Redskins? Did he scout for Carlos Rogers?

Andre Carter had 1 tackle yesterday. Just like his 1% body fat.

Lamar Marshall he is out of position alot. Please tell me he is equally good as Antonio Pierce.

Warrick Holdman is just atrocious...

From looks of it, Greg Williams is not a lockin to replace Coach Gibbs...

Someone please fire Danny Boy... maybe we can all cheap in and buy the team from him. Who's in?

Great insite JLC!

Posted by: John From Herndon | November 20, 2006 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Wow outstanding points JLC. Thanks for starting out with something positive. Campbell looked good and brings some hope for the future. I was one of those that called for giving double G a free pass this year. Not so anymore after yesterday game. This D has not played with any heart all year. It's time for him to go.

Posted by: jm220 | November 20, 2006 12:07 PM | Report abuse

You can see that J. Campbell clearly has the intangibles that Ramsey did not have. He has a strong arm (as did ramsey), he has good feel in the pocket (Ramsey did not), he has athletic ability to get away from the pass rush (Ramsey did not), he is accurate with his throws (Ramsey was inconsistent at best). So let's not compare him to P. Ramsey. I'm sure he'll have some off games as do all QB's but he has everything an NFL QB should have. We could never say that about Ramsey. Let's just let Campbell "toss the ball around" for several years to come. I'm sick of switching QB's. We finally have a young one that we can stick with.

Posted by: Max | November 20, 2006 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Boswell summed it up perfectly.

"Jason Campbell gives the Redskins a sense of hope with a nice start, but the rest of the team still stinks."

JC played well, however, he got pretty lucky on some ill advised throws. I will say were right JLa, JC looked unflappable. It's important for QB's and something you can't teach.

Posted by: Skinz | November 20, 2006 12:09 PM | Report abuse

JMan, this is without a doubt your stuff EVER. Dude, this intro for Mon Morning H-Back is one of your best. Great detail and execution brother. The details on Ryan and The Danny crush my heart. Low ball doesn't even cover it. We look like absolute fools. Rocky must be a total idiot in the D staff's eyes to not be playing. Our backers are no where to be found on OBVIOUS run plays.

Posted by: Coolio | November 20, 2006 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Hey JaLa,

How can you go on a rant about the defense and not once mention Carlos Rogers name?

He is the worst CB in football. I can't beleive I am saying this but I miss Walt Harris. Rogers is that bad.

For all these missteps, I just hope they don't blow the team up. That not going to fix things either.

Seems to me you need to draft the best defensive lineman avaible be at DE or DT and add some fresh talent to the line.

Then they should go out an get a CB who can actually cover someone. Springs isn't getting any younger or healthier. And Rogers should take his no talent over dancing butt to the arena league. Worst case scenario leave him at nickel back ... make that dime back.

Posted by: C-A-P-S | November 20, 2006 12:09 PM | Report abuse

JC made me want to watch this team again. Even if his life will get more difficult in the coming weeks as the film library on his play expands.

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | November 20, 2006 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately Gibbs won't be around long enough to establish a consistent program. Campbell will soon be working with a new head coach, which is all he needs now. We need to bring in a young coach who will be here a while and keep Campbell for 8-10 years. Then we can focus on re-building the defense and 0-line.

Posted by: Max | November 20, 2006 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of the 2006 Redkins "Disaster Defense," I've taken to referring to our Assistant Head Coach - Defense as "Defensive Genius Gregg Williams." Every time I bring him up, I address that in full. I think it's working.

Posted by: I'm Just Saying | November 20, 2006 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Looking at the DC sporting landscape, it is amazing what polar opposites the Redskins are with the other local teams:

- The Nationals allowing Soriano to walk, opting to invest in the farm teams and TO "build from within."

- The Capitals trading players like Jagr and others to give playing time for the young guys and to "build from within."

- The Wizards, adding players to build around what is the core of their team (Arenas, Jamison, and Butler) and not waivering from that plan to make a big free agent splash which could upset the make-up of the team.


Posted by: BT | November 20, 2006 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Being at the game this weekend, I have to say that the Bucs fans are a cordial lot, I heard a bunch of people around me remarking on how poised JC looked and what sweet plays he was making. I was really irritated though because everyone acted like they won the Super Bowl after the game. At this point, they could have suited up a JuCo QB and he could throw on that weak 'Skins D. And to let Cadillac run us over like that was pathetic. He's been having a terrible year, but against us you'd think he was LaDanian Tomlinson.
I don't think you can blame Grilliams so much as the management team for the defensive mess. Yes the coaches need input on player decisions, but we need a GM to make the tough calls. The St. Joe, Cerrato, Danny triangle is obviously a bad joke. We have a true 'no name' defense now, one that might as well not show up for all the good they're doing. We don't need anymore coaching changeups because that is one of the root problems of the Redskins. Personnel ADD. We've got to keep the systems we have in place, let the players gel with the systems, and play the guys who CAN play, like Duckett, Cooley, JC et al. I don't expect the Skins to hire a GM anytime soon, but they'll be adrift until they shore up their front office problems.

Posted by: tampadave | November 20, 2006 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Jason, thanks for your response. Ok, I agree there's a difference between the deals to move Ramsey vs the way Coles/Arrington left.

My larger point, though, is when does that EVER go well. The Patriots & Eagles are always considered model franchises and yet, when Lawyer Milloy, Bledsoe, & Trotter (to name a few) weren't re-signed it was a total shabingus. I just don't see how one of these high profile divorces is really going to end with a win-win.

That said, the Skins seem to have a lot of high profile divorces, don't they!

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 20, 2006 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Any chance we can pick up a true playmaker on the Defensive line in the off-season. Any big names going to be available, like a Dwight Freeny or Julius peppers. Of course we paid A. Carter Julius Peppers money, but that's another story...

Posted by: Max | November 20, 2006 12:15 PM | Report abuse

""Williams' once impeccable feel for his players and ability to call the right blitz at the right is gone.""

Anyone ever stop to think that maybe it's because the organization treats it's players like dirt?

Look at the guys they have gotten rid of(Pierce, Lavar, Champ, Clark, Smoot) and have picked up in their place. The players still here have had to have seen it coming, makes you wonder if they believe in the organization anymore.

It's not like anyone has had anything good to say after they left, in fact they all wanted out pretty badly.

This team has serious issues and it all starts with Danny Boy, even if Gibbs wants to take the heat himself. It always starts at the top.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | November 20, 2006 12:15 PM | Report abuse


Please, PLEASE, PLEASE, tell me that someone on the defense is going to lose their job this week? Tell me that someone's @$$ is getting cut!! Why is Montgomery inactive? Why isn't Boschetti being given a chance?

Honestly, why not McCune at this point in time? He couldn't be worse than Marshall, or Holdman.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | November 20, 2006 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I would like to address the key philosophy of Joe Gibbs, namely: "Core Redskins." He really sells this philosophy of bringing in "core redskins," but do you think anybody in the league is buying what he's selling anymore after watching a series of core redskins leave? How many core redskins is Marcus Washington going to watch leave this team before he stops believing too?

Posted by: Max | November 20, 2006 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Have they begun construction on the Jason Campbell wing in Canton? :-)

How much you want to bet they cut Archuletta in the offseason, he goes to the Bears, and becomes an All-Pro?

Posted by: P Diddy | November 20, 2006 12:20 PM | Report abuse

FlimFlam has it:

Gibbs: Ohno Gwilligan, not again!
Williams: hehe, sorry Skipper.

I guess this makes $nyder Thurston Howell. I'm going to go throw up now.

Posted by: Megskin | November 20, 2006 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Suck!!!!!! Period. I get sick to my stomach seeing the whole NFC East getting better year after year and we are getting worse year after year. How much are we going to put up with this oranization pitfalls. I am sick of Dan and praying to God that he gets bankrupts and sell this team to someone else. He has ruined this franchise pride and reputation. There is no class in this organization anymore.

Posted by: SynderHater | November 20, 2006 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Does that make Vinny Luvvy Howel?

Posted by: P Diddy | November 20, 2006 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Worst thing that ever happened to the Redskins is Dan Snyder.

Who's going to argue with me on this point?

Posted by: John From Herndon | November 20, 2006 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I miss LaVar. I know, I know, he was a "free-lancer" and "he didn't know the system." Well, the system sucks.

At least LaVar would hit people.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 20, 2006 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Oooh, too much fun:

Skipper: St. Joe
Gilligan: Greg(g) Williams
Mr. Howell: "Mr." Snyder
Luvvy Howell: Vinny Cerrato
Professor: Sonny Jurgensen
Ginger: Cooley
Mary Ann: Jason Campbell

Posted by: P Diddy | November 20, 2006 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Can we throw a little hate in the direction of Al Saunders? We all know the defense is a disaster, but could a little (or a lot) of Gibbs's anger yesterday have been because of an offensive gameplan that gave the ball to the RBs less than 15 times, all with a QB making his first career start? That's absurd.

Gibbs needs to start calling plays again.

Posted by: Wes Mantooth | November 20, 2006 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I think letting R. Clark go was the backbreaker for the heart of this team. He was a hard working, core redskin, and he beleived in the system. He WANTED to stay with the redskins and would have accepted less money than pitt. offered to remain a redskin. What message does that send to the rest of the team? The guys we brought in here could care less about the core redskin philosophy, word on the street is that you get paid when you come to the skins, that's why Archie and A. Carter are here now. Danny showed these sub-par players the money that they would never see anywhere else.

Posted by: Max | November 20, 2006 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Professor: Al Saunders I would think.

Mary Ann: Jason Campbell

That's priceless. Can't. Stop. Laughing.

Posted by: Megskin | November 20, 2006 12:26 PM | Report abuse

J from H, they sucked when John Cooke was the owner, too.

There are a lot of bad owners in the NFL. Snyder isn't the worst of them.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 20, 2006 12:28 PM | Report abuse

John from Herndon...

I actually like "Mr." Snyder. He's a marketing genius, a businessman par excellence. What he did with his companies was impressive. Though no one I know who worked for him actually liked him, they all respected his acumen and intellect.

I think a calm, collected demeanor is required to succeed in the NFL. I think of Mr. Cooke, Eddie Debartolo, Robert Kraft, the Maras, and so on. Those guys are/were long-term thinkers. Visionaries who knew when to meddle and when not to meddle, when to exert authority and when to let your minions do their job. CEOs of the ultimate caliber, who set a vision and tone for the organization, hired the best and brightest, and trusted them to do their job. Fundamentally, they were good managers, with respect for themselves and those around them.

I'm obviously not part of the inner circle with the 'Skins, so can't necessarily pass judgment on "Mr." Snyder. But what I see from the outside, his "image", if you will, is not promising.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 20, 2006 12:29 PM | Report abuse


That is a great point, and JLa, I would love your thoughts on this as well.

Gibbs mentioned "Redskins principles and values" over and over and over again yesterday.

But how are players supposed to buy into statements like that when we continually dump the "core Redskin" players that followed those principles and values?

Makes me steaming mad.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 20, 2006 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Wes Mantooth. The offense only ran 54 plays the entire game. I'm sure we would have run the ball 30+ times if we had the opportunity to run more plays. Our defense could not get the ball back for our offense. That was the problem. But honestly, I think we probably wouldn't have gotten as many 1st downs as we did if we had run the ball more. Tampa Bay was stacking the line much of the game. Number of carries doesn't matter when you are getting no gain on half of them.

Posted by: Max | November 20, 2006 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Jason - I would like some honest and unemotional feedback to this question. Since the Redskins seem to be thin at D-Line, why not switch to a base 3-4 alignment and use Archletta as the fourth linebacker? His strength is apparently stopping the run and he should be able to cover the underneath stuff (running backs and shallow crossing patterns) much better than the speedy post receivers. What are your thoughts about such a move?

Posted by: Tom T | November 20, 2006 12:37 PM | Report abuse

we weren't getting any gains because Saunders kept running to the outside. TJ up the gut would solve many a problem.

Posted by: tampadave | November 20, 2006 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I owe an apology to a fan on here (forgot the name) but I had defended owner Daniel Snyder thinking he had learned his ways and reading Jason's previous blog about the Clark situation and how Snyder said they were done overspending and they learned their lessons? What a crock of S***!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Of course they went out and overspent on guys that aren't getting it done AGAIN.

It's sick. Snyder will always be who he is. I commend him for putting money to get a more than qualified coaching staff but through it all..the money and free agents aren't cutting it. This team has gotten lost in the mix about its identity as been pointed out numerous times. I think Gibbs was starting to realize that on Sunday. Gibbs says it starts with him well he's gotta realize these are the players to come in and adhere to his system. A RUNNING GAME. Then you bring in and O'Coordinator who has a completely different system. THere is going to be a lot of soul searching after this season.

Snyder..oh how I wish he would check his ego and surround himself with cronies who hopefully can talk some sense into him. It's frustrating. Unfortunately Snyder will always be Snyder. I'm sorry I ever thought he might've learned his lesson.

If only the ghost of Jack Kent Cooke would haunt Snyder in his bedroom..that might be the only chance Snyder has of changing just a little bit.

Posted by: Jonathan | November 20, 2006 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Great idea Tom, but Gwilliams will never buy it. Got to bring in a new D-coordinator who may be open to such an idea. I actually think Rocky is probably better suited at linebacker than Archuletta if we were to go to 3-4.

Posted by: Max | November 20, 2006 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Joe in Raleigh and P. Diddy,

thanks for the input. But my statement was about worst thing that happened to the Redskins, not a comparion to other owners in the league. I do admit Mr. Snyder wants to win and he is willing to spend money to do it.

But, his strategy is off course. Let me break it down what has happened since Danny took over.

1. Fans - higher ticket prices, parking fees, losing product out on the field.
2. Free Agency - Over paid players and letting go of players that actually played well
3. Draft - how many draft picks do we have next year?

Someone please tell Mr. Snyder this is not fantasy football. He needs to build with patience...

Posted by: John From Herndon | November 20, 2006 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Visionaries who knew when to meddle and when not to meddl

P Diddy, I always enjoy your posts about business & marketing types. This is a particularly interesting comment here. I think that in the 1st few years, Snyder was in full meddle-mode whereas after hiring Gibbs he's SEEMS to be the 180 degree opposite. No input, just sign the checks. (Note: that could be patently false, but it's how I perceive it.)

I wonder if it's finding a middle ground that Snyder hasn't mastered. The point where you say, "no, Joe, I hired YOU to run the offense. I know Al is good but I'm saying no." Call it picking your spots, if you will.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 20, 2006 12:40 PM | Report abuse

The worst part about all of these atrocious FA signings is that had they just focused on scouting and the draft, we would've had a nice group of young guys to develop. The 2000 shopping spree could've been 4 or 5 draft picks that would be in their prime by now.

I'm not going to bash all of our moves because we got Portis and Moss from outside, but man, Joe Gibbs teams were built with the draft (and no salary cap but with Snyder that isn't really a problem). Core Redskins are taken care of by management, not deemed too expensive and let go only to sign some other dude to more money. Makes no sense. People will play for a team that is loyal to them. A lot of guys on this team are only loyal to the dollar and I can't blame them because they might be axed next.

The best thing to do is get rid of AA so the ill will there is gone. Then strip Saunders and Williams of any managerial power; that's why you have scouts. Get a GM who won't trade away the entire draft. Show Vinny the door and lock Snyder in a closet until it's time to sign the checks. And take care of any core Redskins that are left when the time comes (Cooley and Taylor are the only ones I can think of because everyone else in that category is too old to resign). Build team unity thru the draft and reward people that have played their hearts out for you. Treat them like the family you claim they are and the entire atmosphere at Redskins Park will change. And that is probably the biggest problem of all.

Posted by: Posse Redux | November 20, 2006 12:40 PM | Report abuse

During the press conference yesterday, Gibbs stated that "we are not playing Redskin football."

Jason, would you please ask him what "Redskin football" is!?! If anyone can answer that, I would be impressed because the Redskins have no identity.

Posted by: sick of this | November 20, 2006 12:41 PM | Report abuse

How many season tix holders are done? I'm certainly not writing that little danny boy any more checks for $1,750 only to see it get thrown at the latest class of free agent stiffs. Clark wanted a pittance to stay, and little danny boy had the nerve to mention overspending to him? That's my last straw as a season ticket holder. Somebody on the waiting list will be very happy next year. Yeah...lucky you, pal.

Posted by: NoMoreSeasonTix | November 20, 2006 12:41 PM | Report abuse

MAX, what are you doing on this blog? I know thats you from all the DUMB postings your bloging.the soup can was sacked a couple of times by a D without its best rusher.YOUR annointing him before he has done anything.60 mil wrs and the great duckett and no drive until end of game!!go back to being a secret agent!!!!!!!you know NOTHING about football.

Posted by: AGENT 99 | November 20, 2006 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Haven't had a chance to read anyone else's comments so forgive me if I repeat anything said earlier. WOW. Doom and gloom. Our nation's capital is the laughing stock of the sports world. Jason said it all with the Redskins. Thanks for the frankness. You are a scholar and a gentleman.

Baseball update: Soriano is a Cub. We could have traded him last year for some young talent and/or draft picks. Instead we just let him walk. Good grief.

Gotta go.
The Dorf Abides

Posted by: Dorf | November 20, 2006 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Ricky Bobby,

The "Redskins principles and values" repeated statements made me think that Coach Joe is actually going to do something this week. He looked like he was pretty fed up with everything and everybody Redskins. Hopefully, he will take this rage and do something productive.

Posted by: Dana C. | November 20, 2006 12:46 PM | Report abuse

A few things...

Just before our first offensive snap yesterday, the guy next to me in a little cluster of Skins fans (here in a Portland sports bar) said "Campbell throws deep to Brandon Lloyd." Amazing call.

Let me repeat: we wear BURGUNDY TROUSERS with WHITE JERSEYS. That's the freakin' uniform. The white and white combo is atrocious.

Several members of our defense have that habit, annoying from anyone but especially from a terrible unit on an awful team, of celebrating any routine play -- even ones that weren't particularly successful -- with little dances, head-shakes etc. Save it for something special, hmmkay, 'cause you're making us all look like jackasses.

Yes, we lost another game we could have won. Yes, Ducky and Rocky and even Archie should probably have been playing. Yes, we're officially one of the worst teams in the league. But for a loss this felt pretty good. Keep up the good work, Jasons (both Soupy & J-La)!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | November 20, 2006 12:47 PM | Report abuse

While I have never been a Snyder fan, he appears to have stepped back once Gibbs came back on board. You don't hear anything out of him and rarely see him. Unlike Jerry Jones who is being interviewed on the sidelines of every Dallas game. Seems to me all that Snyder is guilty of right now is giving Gibbs and Williams want they want - which has not been a good thing.

And other owners are bad as well....does the Deion Branch - NE Patriots theatrics come to mind????

Posted by: Lisa | November 20, 2006 12:48 PM | Report abuse

John from Herndon -- I couldnt agree with you more. Vinny has been the one constant under Danny boy. Danny Boy isnt going to get rid of this team; he's gone through how many coaches, and 1 GM. He has his 'guy' that he wont get rid of. If Vinny was so good, he'd be able come up with better contracts instead of the crap we throw out there.

I can look at the to find out who has made a lot of tackles and who has sacks, then realize they are a free agent and sign them to too much money.

Danny Boy isnt going anywhere. In a way, he does what some fans want - an owner who will try to build a team. Yeah Danny boy should just sign the check and stay out of it, but he doesnt. Danny Boy needs a GM who knows talent and has a plan. Follow that plan and build accordingly.

1 last thing... i was pleased with JC. I've always been skeptical of him, but I was surprised at his poise. I hope I am dead wrong in my initial assumption that JC will not amount too much. GOOD LUCK JC!

sorry this was long... I'm bitter.

Posted by: Go Skins Go | November 20, 2006 12:51 PM | Report abuse

J from H, I hate being the one to defend Snyder. I know I sound like a cronie doing it. Let it be said, that I don't love the guy, I just think he gets a bad rap when things go wrong. He's easy to pick on.

Your points:
1. With a waiting list that long, he could charge A LOT more. Demand is way out in front of supply here. He's been fair, given the amount the tickets are worth.

2. I think in the 1st few years, he made a lot of mistakes with FAs. Now, however, he's turned these decisions over to Gibbs. It would be nice if he said no once in a while, but Gibbs has total control of the draft and free agency.

3. Again, Gibbs has his finger prints on the draft debacle. Wish Snyder would Just Say No once in a while.

Truly, I think he's been mostly "hands off" since Gibbs returned. He's more involved with Six Flags & Tom Cruise on a day-to-day basis. At least that's what it seems like from where I'm sitting. JLC may know differently.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 20, 2006 12:51 PM | Report abuse

no boofer sightings? he must be full of himself after that win yesterday. gotta admit, boys kept BBM in check last night.
however, stupid dungy shoulda challenged the INT returned for a TD. harrison clearly touched him. total let down on that coaching staff's part.

no worries, we're only 3 games out of the last playoff spot. RUN THE TABLE!!!

haha, just kidding.

Posted by: k-man | November 20, 2006 12:57 PM | Report abuse

No loss feels good....

But I agree the defense celebrates on second down every drive like they just won the superbowl. Its sickening. I like Marcus Washington but he needs to shut up and lead. The celebrating of stoppping plays on second down that 6 yeard is a joke, especially when they are so bad on third downs...I almost think it inspires teams on third down to rub our noses in it. This is one of the worst seasons of the modern skins era and the defense makes Norv era D's look fierce.

Posted by: Chris Lary | November 20, 2006 12:57 PM | Report abuse

That waiting list and that demand for tix will take a beating as this debacle continues year after year.

Posted by: NoMoreSeasonTix | November 20, 2006 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell did play well enough to win, and I believe if Betts didn't fumble, we probably would have won the game. I think Gibbs will make Duckett the starter next week. He's the type of bruising back that works well in a Joe Gibbs offense. I also believe Joe will take back most of the play calling duties this week as well.

Posted by: Max | November 20, 2006 1:01 PM | Report abuse

"Again, Gibbs has his finger prints on the draft debacle. Wish Snyder would Just Say No once in a while."

Very true. Gibbs never had the final say in his first go 'round and that's a good thing. Sometimes you just need to hear "no" once in a while. Especially when you become enamored with a player and see thru all of the faults. Think of it as the "What Was I Thinking? Girlfriend Syndrome". You know, where all of your friends know she's not right for you but you don't see it until you've wasted months or years with her.

I still think he would be better at calling the plays and leaving the talent evaluation and roster moves to others. However, Snyder gave him that power and I've never seen anyone just give it back.

Posted by: Posse Redux | November 20, 2006 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey there, I took the principles thing to mean playing as hard as possible, rushing the football and preventing the other team from running it down your throats - they failed on all three counts Sunday.
Given the state of the D line, 3-4 makes some sense, and they do run some packages like that, and Lemar could certainly use some help on the inside (I am convinced his body is totally run down right now), who would they put in? Khary Campbell? Possey? Not a lot of options.
Bottom line is, I don't care if Rocky's knowledge of the "system" is Also, the fact that someone they invested so much in with hopes of making an impact can't even get on the field for whatever the reason, is another indictment of this organization.
They're lost, people.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | November 20, 2006 1:07 PM | Report abuse

We'll have to start the Rocky chant this Sunday (and no, I'm not talking about Stallone's upcoming Rocky VI)

Posted by: RockyRockyRocky | November 20, 2006 1:09 PM | Report abuse


Please, PLEASE, PLEASE, tell me that someone on the defense is going to lose their job this week? Tell me that someone's @$$ is getting cut!! Why is Montgomery inactive? Why isn't Boschetti being given a chance?

Honestly, why not McCune at this point in time? He couldn't be worse than Marshall, or Holdman.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | November 20, 2006 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we will draft paul posluszny in the first round. That guy is a hell of a linebacker.

Posted by: Max | November 20, 2006 1:11 PM | Report abuse

At this point, I would love to see the Skins trade back in the draft, once maybe even twice, to add a couple late 1st day and early 2nd day picks.

It's amazing to me that the Skins can draft a guy in the 6th round, in Golston... start him... and yet it still doesn't dawn on them that draft picks are valuable.


Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 20, 2006 1:15 PM | Report abuse

FA failures are the worst because they keep on giving. Every year, it forces staff to keep people that should be moving on and let go of some who should stay. It makes good current players think they should get big money or leave. And it eliminates flexibility that is needed. Skins have severely overpaid parts in Arch, Carter, Brunell. Letting them go creates nasty cap hit. Which means others that are good get let go too. Gotta get off that treadmill

Posted by: AL | November 20, 2006 1:17 PM | Report abuse

jason wrote: They're lost, people.


and the sad part is they don't know that yet.

Posted by: dealer | November 20, 2006 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Under Danny Snyder the Redskins are not, and will never be, a football team. They are a marketing concept. His goal is to maximize the number of $30 parking fees and $8 beers he can sell. The players and coaches understand this, and it pervades the entire organization. Everything from bringing back the too old Joe Gibbs (after the no-experience Spurrier) to waiting until just before the three game homestand to order Campbell played, to all the scattershot free agent signings that engender a specious sense of off season excitement illustrates how Snyder views the world. The Skins cannot be a real football team worthy of fanatical devotion until he's gone. To the rest of the country, the Skins are a billion dollar joke.

Posted by: Pigskin | November 20, 2006 1:26 PM | Report abuse

John from Herndon said:
Someone please fire Danny Boy... maybe we can all cheap in and buy the team from him. Who's in?
This may not be out of the realm of possibility - aren't the Green Bay Packers a publicly-owned team? Someone (with more time than I have) please check.

Re: Campbell: The most impressive move I saw from him yesterday (and I actually saw quite a few) was when he was being pulled down by his left shoulder by a defender, yet his gaze downfield never wavered and he delivered a bomb into the waiting hands of James Thrash (I think it was James Thrash who was on the receiving end). That was beauty - and it was something that Brunell can't do. Another impressive moment was that TD pass to Todd Yoder (who???) in the end zone for a TD. I think Campbell hit like 5 different receivers yesterday. I also saw that he is not shy about throwing over the middle, and he has good athleticism. He shows promise - and right now, that's what we need to see.

Hey all - let's come up with a list of who you'd like to see the Skins let go of over the offseason (coaches too). Seems like the dead wood has really piled up around Redskins Park lately.

Posted by: bandwagon blues | November 20, 2006 1:27 PM | Report abuse

This comment is directed at G. Williams, although clearly our "sorry, no-account" defense is only one of a number of woes. But I think Williams's main problem is that he has a giant ego. In fact, he reminds me a lot of another guy who consistently refused to deal with reality and had disastrous results, last name Rumsfeld.

Williams believed the hype that he was so good. Remember, he inherited a defense that was one of the top in the league when now Cincinnati coach Marvin Lewis was in charge. He had big-time playmakers like LaVar Arrington and Fred Smoot. He was convinced, however, that it was his system that was the reason for the D's success. He could plug in practically any unknown player and they'd be a star in his system. That's why he was unable to recongnize the talent of guys like Antonio Pierce. Williams thought it was his system that made him good.

The whole LaVar fiasco is a perfect case in point. No matter what you say about LaVar, he was a playmaker, someone who could change the outcome of a game singlehandedly. Rather than trying to find a way to exploit that talent and modify his system to match the player resources he had, Williams decided that Arrington needed to be brought down a peg and put in his place. It boiled down to a pissing match: a battle of egos--and we know who won.

The most ridiculous and pathetic thing is now making Archuleta into a fall guy, WHEN WILLIAMS WAS THE IDIOT WHO UNDERVALUED CLARK AND INSISTED WE GET ARCHULETA.

In fact, if you look at the Skins defense, it's has consistently declined since Williams took over--hey, it takes time to get rid of the "core" players and bring in overpaid flops.

Ultimately, though, this gets back to the fundamental, #1 problem with the Skins that everyone has been commenting on: the lack of someone at top to make the personnel decisions, including coaching staff. Remember, it was Beatherd that picked Gibbs and also Petitbon. Not only has Gibbs so far been a mediocre-to-bad evaluator of player talent, he also has been a lousy evaluator of who should be coaching his offense and defense.

Bottom line: the first Gibbs era was a happy merging of an enlightened owner, a visionary general manager, a young, smart, driven head coach with innovative offensive concepts, and an old-school defensive coordinator.

Now we've got none of those. As the saying goes: you can't go home again.


Posted by: jakeweed | November 20, 2006 1:28 PM | Report abuse

bandwagon blues,

Thanks for bringing up Yoder, who now, by the way, has more TD's than Brandon Lloyd.


Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 20, 2006 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Please, PLEASE, PLEASE, tell me that someone on the defense is going to lose their job this week?

who cares??????????? will that fix ANYTHING???

JC could very well be john elway but they're not going ANYWHERE unless they change their philosophy!!!!!

so, it's the PHILOSOPHY STUPID! (i'm not calling you guys stupid but the skins org.)

Posted by: dealer | November 20, 2006 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Sorry got to take one for the Danny. Everybody kept screaming stop meddling and get out of the way. The Danny has done that a still gets the heat. I respect his business acumen and his marketing acumen. Hey he must be doing something good because the stadiums full and people will even pay for obstructed seats to be there. Yeah he may need to learn to say no but the one time he says no, here come the complaints. The blame is on the coaches. All these proclaimed geniuses we have on staff. Gwilligan is the biggest bust. I find it real funny how every player to leave here was so wrong and had no skills. Maybe it's time to evauluate the coaches that seem to make it personal and won't let the players play unless they give all praises to them.

Posted by: Don Redskin | November 20, 2006 1:31 PM | Report abuse

"...for a loss this felt pretty good." Serious about that. So much better to watch a glimpse of our possible future with Soupy at QB, doing well even in defeat, than endure another four quarters of Brunell playing his godawful guts out.

Did anyone else notice that on our first defensive series of the second half, after halftime AND a long drive to open the third quarter, just a few plays in our D had their hands on their hips (the telltale sign of a D on the run) as if they hadn't had a break at all. Way to do your part and rally behind the new QB, fellas.

Let's not devolve into too much hand-wringing about our offseason personnel problems. Yeah, it matters a hell of a lot, but come on, there are things to enjoy the rest of the season. So let's take it one game at a time, fellas, that's the way to do it up here.


Posted by: Nate in the PDX | November 20, 2006 1:32 PM | Report abuse

THe biggest personnel problem with this D is the linebacker play. On 90% of the runs yesterday, Lemar and Warrick couldn't even get to within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. So, if TB blocked the 4 guys up front, it was an automatic 5 yard gain. And when they held the blocks on the LBs (which happened more often than not) it was an even larger gain.

On the TD toss to Galloway, it looked to me like Wright was supposed to jam his guy in that formation (2 tight WRs) so that they wouldn't be able to run a pick route. Either way, Carlos' confidence is so destroyed and that is a death sentance for a CB.

Also noticed that #99 was finallly on the bench for a lot of 1st and 2nd down run situations, yet it ibviously didn't help. Which bolsters my theory that the LBs are the weakest link in this D.

Bottom line, this off-season they need to upgrade at DE (again), MLB, WLB, CB (again), SS.

On offense, well at least all those conspiracy theories about JC not being good can end. Dude is a balla. His second TD pass, off his back foot, with a defender in his face, zipping into a tight spot, was a thing of beauty. He'll have some bad games, maybe even some terrible ones, but I really liked what I saw. Poised, in control, didn't force things. Good, good, good. If Santana was the recipient of that first pass it would have been 6 points and Redskins lore.

I'm starting to think Gibbs is getting annoyed with Saunders. Maas made a great point that I will steal. Last year, the run game was excellent, but the passing game needed some help. When Gibbs brought in Saunders, he should have instructed him that the running game would remain intact but that Saunders was free to run his own passing game. Our O-line and RBs (even Portis) are all straight-ahead-running type of football players. That change has really hurt the team from both a results and a phsyche standpoint.

I'm done.

Posted by: CMoney | November 20, 2006 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Let's stop kidding ourselves, this is not the same Joe Gibbs that won those Super Bowls. I hate to say it but, this Joe Gibbs needs to go.

Posted by: Stro | November 20, 2006 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Walt Harris is tied for the league lead with 6 interceptions. That is more than all of the Redskins defense combined! I guess we need to find a better judge of talent with player personnel.

Posted by: Walt Harris | November 20, 2006 1:48 PM | Report abuse


Fantastic blog--fantastic insight as usual. The loss of D. Walker has been significant but not discussed. I also get the impression that this team is players vs. coaches...the players feel the coaches will hang them out to dry, and in my mind, the coaches and this coaching staff in general are just not getting through to the players. I wonder if G. Williams has not worn out his welcome here. If he could put his ego aside, he'd be a great D-coordinator. Obviously, players make the system, and not the other way around.

Posted by: Skins4eva | November 20, 2006 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Before we get too much JC Lovefest going on, let's give the guy 5-6 games. I hope he plays better and better. But ONE game is not the way to evaluate a player, much less a QB.

He did look good even w/o Moss and Portis. Before everyone yells at Lloyd, we knew that he would make great catches and drop easy ones. Well he is doing it in WASH also.

Did anybody think we got ripped on his sideline catch and was pushed out. Ref said that he was out of bounds but I think he would have been in bounds if allowed to come down???

Posted by: Kevin | November 20, 2006 1:53 PM | Report abuse

More from Boswell:

The Redskins now have a kid quarterback with some poise, wheels and a rifle. He can avoid a rush, roll out of the pocket and throw across his body through traffic or he can drop back and wing it 60 yards directly between the hands of Brandon Lloyd. Not that Lloyd will catch it.


Posted by: bandwagon blues | November 20, 2006 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Jason, good take on the defense, way to tell it like it is. One area that is not getting enough attention in the media is the coaching staff...what the heck is going on with them? from the free agents they chose, to coaching fundamentals, to inspireing leadership. Either the coaching staff has lost the "receipe" for success and leadership or they simply have several wrong/bad seed type players in every phase of the game. In my 40 years as a redskin fan I have not seen a redskin team this bad. You could argue there were some bad teams in the 60's but at least they were fun to watch, these guys are dull AND bad!!

Posted by: jt | November 20, 2006 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs has proven throught his career (both Gibbs I and Gibbs II) that he is not a good talent evaluator UNTIL he gets them on the field in a game he is coaching. Thank heavens that JC will probably turn out to be the one exception that proves the rule -- if Joe coming back meant nothing else other than we found a QB for the next decade, it would be worth it. I already love this guy.

Until the Skins get a GM who knows talent and get out of his way, we are going to keep going through the same things we go through every year -- guys who don't fit coming here to get paid, and then leaving either to disappear from the planet or go elsewhere to actually play some football.

Posted by: The Dickster | November 20, 2006 2:00 PM | Report abuse


Have been pondering why defense has gone downhill so fast this year. Predicatble surprise or something else?

Not sure why dub-g has this penchant for scrubs. Also not sure why all of this resistance to playing folks that are still learning (especially under these circumstances).

Made me wonder if dub-g has difficult time evaluating defensive talent. how else do we explain archibungus and the piano man (AC)? How else do we explain not having anyone who even remotely looks like a mike backer on the roster? Should just take todd yoder and make him the starter on D. he might actualy shed a block or two . . .

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | November 20, 2006 2:03 PM | Report abuse

From Vinny Cerato's blog.. about JC...

"At practice now, it becomes his team. He has to become the leader. He has to take control of the huddle. He has to run things and make everybody accountable on the offensive field".

Funny how he brings up the word accountable... when has he ever been held accountable for anything he has done?

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 20, 2006 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Oh me first, Here's my list to go at the end of the season:
1. Al Saunders - I really think he is trying to get fired with his playcalling yesterday.
2. Dale Lindsey - I believe he is the biggest blowheart on the defensive staff.
3 Adam Archelta - Bum, enough said
4 Christian Fauria - Another bum, enough said
5. David Patten - What happened to all that fire in the preseason. How you get hurt not playing.
6. Warrick Holdman - Backup at best but not his fault he knows how to kiss up to the coaches.
I have some more but they will do for right now.

Posted by: Don Redskin | November 20, 2006 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Don Redskin, If your pointing to last yr as gibbys big accomplishment(6th seed) then wooooo what a great coach! PARCELLS has been building a team(somthing your pathetic coach knows nothing about)Your knowledge of history is limited. afterall your a fan of a toilet bowl team!Gibby cant even buy a team how pathetic is that.Your a clown fan who is jealous of AMERICAS TEAM and I luv it!!!!!!HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Redskins still Suck | November 20, 2006 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs made the mistake of letting his offense go, and giving his coaches too much room. As of the end of 2005, the Redskins were a few offensive players away from really cranking. Instead, Gibbs decides to give the offense to someone else so he can focus on the team as a whole. Does anyone out there think he did it because he is too old and can't deal with the stress and hours anymore? One thing is for sure, Gibbs's patience has run out...he seems pissed, and I bet we see him taking over the offense next year. I hope that is the case...

Posted by: B- | November 20, 2006 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Dudes, one point here. Obviously, this is minor given the feast of shabingi before us, but has anyone noticed that our kickoffs/punts continue to be the worst in the league? Our D is bad enough but we are giving up 10-15 yards of field position with every change of possession (one exception was when we got a good kick from Novack Sgdelviyav, and stopped them at the 15...then they drove down 85 yards and scored in our mouths...).

And that, like a third nipple and communism, doesn't help anybody.

Think back to before the season when we were fed the non-truths about home field and super bowls. Think back then. how many skins fans who watched at least 5 games last year would have said: 'we're in great shape with and kicking for us'? How can the coaches not see this?

I watched that Colt/cowpuke shabingus yesterday and the pukes have a dude that kicks it 62 yards...all the time. Once, they go: 'ooops, McChooch kicked it too far...his 62 yard kick will go into the end zone...'

Its little things like that...and also the big things that infuriate me.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | November 20, 2006 2:09 PM | Report abuse

All of this reminds me of when I was a kid going to games at RFK, the team stunk then too although we had Jurgenson, Mitchell, Smith and others. Signs in the stadium were statements like "week by week we suffer from McPeak" (the head coach). History repeats itself...

Posted by: CJCBNC | November 20, 2006 2:10 PM | Report abuse

jakeweed - I agree with you. well said.

Describing GWilliams in a word - HUBRIS.
Describing him in 2 words - ARROGANT HUBRIS

Posted by: SallieMae | November 20, 2006 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Grilliams as your alluding has zero people/team building skills and it is killing us, it is as if players are demonstrating they want him out!!!

Posted by: herb | November 20, 2006 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if I could help you guys buy the Skins. What I do want to do is help FIRE GREG. Egomaniacal Narcicisst. I hope Joe's frustration is aimed at him as well as Al. I agree with those hoping/desiring for a 3-4 D. Think about what that means for the team:

Griffin/Salave'a/Pick a 3rd on the D line. Not the worst in the league, so maybe use a draft pick for some depth.

Rocky/Andre/Marcus/Lemar/Arch- Again - not the best, especially if MW keeps cheering his shoestring tackles on 1st down 6 yard rushing gains, but something to work with.

Shawn/Sean/??/?? - The secondary is SCARY thin with talent. Maybe use the top draft pick here, or look to FA...AGAIN.

Regardless, the idea here is to maximize the talent on the field and not egotistically force misfits into an once overrated system. I hate to agree with the legendary ignorance of Maas, but I think he got one thing right, fire some coaches, and start with Grilliastic.


Posted by: Pub Golf | November 20, 2006 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Just in case Dan or Vinny read this blog, I am posting the following:

I WANT TO FIGHT BOTH OF YOU. Please reply and we will set up a date and time.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 20, 2006 2:14 PM | Report abuse


You dope, call me when Parcell's has as many SB's as Gibbs or just wins one without Belichick, just one. Or how about when he makes the playoffs.

You are a troll.

Also has anyone noticed the disturbing trend that cowboys fans have of using the word "suck" in their names. Coincidence? I think not...

Posted by: Skinz | November 20, 2006 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Re: Walt Harris

Not only does Walt Harris lead the league in picks. He had two interceptions yesterday, with one to seal the game in the final seconds. And the niners beat the seahawks to get to 500. So would we rather have Walt Harris and 3rd and 4th round picks (which we gave the niners for lloyd) or would we rather have lloyd and carter?

Posted by: Skins Stink | November 20, 2006 2:21 PM | Report abuse

JLC - do you think its close to time the skins start giving Carlos Rogers the Lavar/Archuleta treatment or that they actually would???????

Posted by: Bangbros | November 20, 2006 2:22 PM | Report abuse


I really hope that The Danny, Vince and Gibbs will be able to take some time and read this blog. Here we have been suffering through Brunnell all season, calling for Campbell to be in the game and we were right. The Big Three should read this and listen to us! We have some really intelligent fans and we should be heard!

Way to go Jason!

Posted by: charlie | November 20, 2006 2:23 PM | Report abuse

It saddens me, Redskin Nation, to think of the current condition our beloved Redskins are under current ownership.

I am truly saddened.


Posted by: J Cooke | November 20, 2006 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Take it from me, sometimes the truly arrogant need to be humbled to figure out where they went wrong. St. Joe has never been accused of being arrogant: the man exudes humility.

Saunders, Williams, and Lindsey? Not so much humility there. It was fun to watch when it worked. Now it's just another tired refrain.

I don't think cleaning house with the coaching staff is the answer. You need to have some continuity somewhere. Keep in mind that St. Joe has always been loyal to his coaches (remember Chuck Banker?)

They have some obvious personnel decisions to make on defense. On offense, your guess is as good as mine. Most of those receivers are signed to long-term deals. A healthy Portis and Moss would certainly be helpful. Oh, and they need to find a kicker and punter.

I do think hiring a GM is a good start, but that's never going to happen.

I've said it before, but in the first Gibbs era, there was a three-person decision making team (Beathard/Casserly, St. Joe, Mr. Cooke), with Mr. Cooke being the ultimate decision-maker. Mr. Cooke was a natural leader and a natural CEO, a man whose accomplishments were legendary at the time. He knew when to push and when to step back, and he set a philosophy for the organization that everyone followed. To me, those two traits are the hallmark of good management.

I don't see that in the current makeup of the organization. You never want the inmates running the asylum, and right now it seems that St. Joe is The Decider.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 20, 2006 2:30 PM | Report abuse

This J Cooke post and Jonathan's post earlier got me thinking about a new version of A Christmas Carol, in which the Danny is visited by the ghost of JKC, who takes him on an overnight tour featuring ghosts of the Skins' past/present/future.

This really shakes Daniel up, demonstrates the error of his ways, reminds him what's important, and lets him know it's not too late... And then he wakes up and runs around the streets of Washington in his nightshirt (with belt buckle), shouting to everyone that he's going to be a Good Team Owner from now on.

The only problem is I can't think of a hard-working, dependable, lovable-loser kind of grunt over at Redskins Park who could be Bob Cratchit. I think all the guys who meet that description have been traded or fired.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | November 20, 2006 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Bos said, "The Redskins now have a kid quarterback with some poise, wheels and a rifle."

I'm feeling giddy over this one statement. To give hope ...


Posted by: SallieMae | November 20, 2006 2:35 PM | Report abuse

So many areas of major concern for this team/franchise. Do you think Brunell & Archuletta went out to do dinner last night and toasted to the fact they are somewhat off the hook for this team being terrible. They were taking alot of heat- and most rightfully so- but other players and coaches should be taking it as well. Carlos Rogers is officially a BUST. Not only is he getting beat on the field, he is an idiot on the field. Remember him dancing in the Vikings game after Williamson dropped a perfect pass for a TD. And sunday, it looked like he was running off to dance again when he popped up the ball out of Galloway's hands that eventually Anthony Becht caught. Not enough time to vent about this team

Posted by: case | November 20, 2006 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Not sure why everyone is calling for the Dan head. We ask him to step back and for the most part he has. The blame for this sorry a** team can't be put on him. He has given Coach Joe everything he has asked for. Therefore, as much as it may hurt us to say it. The blame must go on Coach Joe for this one. And someone made a good point that every year the D has been falling from the the top. Thanks for the hugs SalleMae I needed it today. One of those days at work. (ready to give a couple of people here at work a slap in the back of their damn head)

Posted by: jm220 | November 20, 2006 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Jason: I'll argue Lloyd has not been a total flop for the reason(s) (like so many others on the team who could well fit into this categtory) that he/they have been placed into such a broken and rudderless system by management that their full potential cannot be realized. No one is perfect all the time (has he dropped as many as he has caught, and were they even catchable?)and he certainly has enough talent to have attracted the Skins - same scenario with Archuleta. I think its way past time that the offensive and defensive systems designed, implemented, and enforced by the coaching staff and those that THEY CHOSE to fill the schemes are or should be the main culprits for the failures. If nothing else, their lack of flexibility and making timely adjustments has proved fatal.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 20, 2006 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Sorry JM, I can blaim him. He has stepped back but he's the one that has fostered this win-now mentality. Since he's been here there has been exactly 1 year where he had a strong GM. That was Shabingusheimer and he quit after a year. He got back Joe but gave him complete control, which has been shown to be a miserable failure each time it's tried in this league.

He overpays for overhyped names. He either neglects the draft himself or allows it to happen. All this falls on the fans. The fans pay for his ineptitude through their wallet and loyalty.

Posted by: Skinz | November 20, 2006 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I feel bad for JLC who has had to cover this team.

Posted by: calebt17 | November 20, 2006 2:50 PM | Report abuse

All this talk about D had led me to check out some early reviews of "Tenacious D in the Pick of Destiny." They're all very positive.
As you were...

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 20, 2006 2:51 PM | Report abuse

alright, now that we've got one qb benched let's talk about the other qb that needs to be benched. Lemar Marshall qb of the defense needs to ride the pine. LM has been ineffective in putting people in the right position to make plays. LM along with Holdman need to remember how to fill the gaps and make the tackle.
JC did well can't wait to see him get his first win!!

Posted by: methatswho | November 20, 2006 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Hi Jason - you are a great, "core" WPOST guy. Not like that HBack guy, the one that hates Skins Fans. You even "cover" for him - he's like the Archuletta of your staff!.

Rock on Jason - and cover the open field!

Posted by: Shotgun | November 20, 2006 2:58 PM | Report abuse

"I feel bad for JLC who has had to cover this team. "

Are you kidding me? This team is a train wreck. There is something to write about everyday. Also, he doesn't have an emotional connection to the team.

Posted by: Skinz | November 20, 2006 2:59 PM | Report abuse

He overpays for overhyped names.

Skinz once again he is not a football guy. If the coach says I need this player. Don't you have to trust the coach and give him what he wants? (if you are not a football guy)
I blame him for the past bad teams. This one as much as I love Coach Joe. It falls on him.

Posted by: jm220 | November 20, 2006 3:02 PM | Report abuse

skinz, when gay gibby can actually get a winning record against PARCELLS OR COWBOYS which will never happen. then you can come out of toilet!!PARCELLS is proving he is not overrated while gay gibby is proving he is a FRAUD and should be kicked out of HOF!!!He is a TERRIBLE coach and GM!!!!!the team is a reflection of cant have it both ways.

Posted by: Skinz Sucks | November 20, 2006 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Is there any chance we're going to see McCune? You said that Marshall was beat up, I mean, how much worse could McCune be? How much worse could ANY of the Rookies be? Not just Rocky, but Montgomery, Doughty?

Posted by: J-La, | November 20, 2006 3:09 PM | Report abuse

This comment from Howard in the chat almost made me vomit...

If this is true, Gibbs has clearly lost it... why in the world, during a season that will NOT result in the playoffs, would he want to run out the string with a 37-year old veteran QB instead of giving his hand picked QB valuable experience? I just don't get this, if again, it's true.

ashington, D.C.: Was there anything Brunell could have done not to be replaced? Brunell's stats weren't that bad. He really wasn't the problem. Which was proved yesterday when Jason played well and they still lost.

I'm glad Campbell is in but it seems more of a reflection of a lost season that he's in, than that of a lost QB.

Howard Bryant: If Joe Gibbs had absolute power, I think #8 would still be the quarterback...

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 20, 2006 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Interesting, maybe "Mr." Snyder is stepping in on some of the tougher decisions. We wouldn't think twice of it if Mr. Cooke were to do so. If Campbell playing is really "Mr." Snyder's handiwork, he should get big-time props for it.

I adore St. Joe, but just like the Federal government, there need to be checks and balances in every business.

Now if only they could find a defense...

Posted by: P Diddy | November 20, 2006 3:19 PM | Report abuse


Gibbs has won more SB's in less years coaching. He has the last playoff appearance, the last playoff win, the last win, the most superbowl appearances.

Coaches are judged on wins, playoffs, and SB's. Not head-to-head records.

This year based on those has Parcell's been the better coach? Yes. Over their careers? Not even close.

In the grand scheme of things you could make the argument that parcell's is the most overrated coach in the hitory of the game.

Posted by: Skinz | November 20, 2006 3:20 PM | Report abuse

a) This defense has given up. They've lost any inspiration to go out and "run through a wall". How did this defense get so bad in less than a year? If Ryan Clark was responsible for making sure Sean Taylor was in proper position last year - why didn't GWilliams recognize that? or at least tell that to the Danny?

b) Who's responsible for the draft choices? Is it Vinny? Or is it St. Joe? More importantly, who's responsible for picking Carlos Rogers over DeMarcus Ware and Shawne Merriman in the 2005 draft?

c) Who's responsible for evaluating free agent talent? Is it Vinny? or is it St. Joe? Because someone looked at Andre Carter as a 49'er and said, "wow, he's a stud."

d) Looking forward to next year, we have major problems on defense. At CB, Carlos Rogers has been poor. Shawn Springs has looked old and slow since returning from injury. At safety, who is the replacement for Archuleta? Vernon Fox? At MLB, is Lemar Marshall really the answer? At OLB, why can't Rocky McIntosh beat out an atrocious LB like Warrick Holdman? At DE, there's a reason that opposing offenses run right at Andre Carter every game. He can't stop the run. And God knows he's no pass rusher. Why did we sign him exactly? He and Phillip Daniels will be a year older and no better at rushing the passer next year. We haven't had a pass-rushing DE since Dexter Manley.

Gregg Williams's ego has finally caught up with him. Maybe this year will teach him some humility so that he realizes that he just can't plug any schmo into the "system". He needs talent for the defense to work.

Posted by: Skins Fan in L.A. | November 20, 2006 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to keep inserting Howard's chat, but I've been saying the same thing for 2 years... Gibbs does not seem overly enthused about Campbell, even after his strong performance yesterday... I just don't understand him.

RE: Votes: You cant give an open-ended answer like that. If you dont explicitly say that Snyder had nothing to do with it, then these people will go wild with accusations!

Howard Bryant: I don't know if it was Snyder. Gibbs is a consensus-building person. I think it was the combination of people he trusts, and he realized that it was time to see what Jason can do. He has not given us any indication that he is enthusiastic about this.

For example, I asked him SPECIFICALLY last Friday, "Joe, everyone has talked about Jason's nerves and how he will feel, but how do you feel about this? Aren't you curious to see what you've got here?"

His answer was all about Mark Brunell and how he hadn't thought much about it because he was thinking more about the decision he had to make in benching Brunell.

I said to myself, 'this isn't much of an endorsement.' You draft this guy, trade up to get him, in fact, and on the eve of his debut, don't you think folks would be a little more excited about him?


Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 20, 2006 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Ken Harvey pointed out on CSN that Grilliams commended TB for playing with passion, implying that the D did not. Could the D be getting sick of Grilliams? Especially when Gibbs shows all the loyalty in the world to Brunell and Gregg shows none to LaVar last year and Archuletamanrunbyuncovered this year. I was all for putting Vincent in his place cause he was looking piss poor, but shoving him as far down the depth chart as he is seems pretty rough.

Also, I know I'm a little late to the party with music suggestions, but if you like Jeff Buckley you should check out Rufus Wainwright. Rufus is a lot less guitar/bass/drums and a lot more piano/guitar/sometimes strings and horns, but they have similar voices. Rufus considers Buckley to be a big influence - wrote "Memphis Skyline" about him. "Go or Go Ahead", "Dinner at Eight", "The One You Love", and "Poses" are all great songs.

Also, Muse is really good. They've had some radio success, but they're not too big. They can be a little overly dramatic and grandiose, but "Absolution" is a rock solid CD through and through.

Fiona Apple's latest CD is good, too. Especially the unreleased version, and especially the song "Not About Love"

Posted by: Joe in Richmond | November 20, 2006 3:25 PM | Report abuse

JASON THAT IS PULITZER STUFF FOR REDSKINS FANS THAT WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON! Frankly, I do not feel that Gibbs is truly running that place like the titles may say. He is running things like he has loyalist with him, but he has individualist working for him. As long as snyder recruits them and pays them so much that they are in essence independents, you can have these problems. Lavar is the most recent case with the coaches. the man was a playmaker, which they needed. But they kept him off the field. I also go back to Champ Bailey's negotiation. What champ wanted at first was nothing compared to what he got, and what they ultimately gave up for im to go.

Posted by: RobGreg | November 20, 2006 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Howard Bryant: One player told me after yesterday's game, "Get your notebook out and take inventory, 'cause a lot of cats won't be here next year."

THIS statement has the ring of truth in it ... and scares me some. The last thing we need is alot of change. Build now, with what we got, and move forward using the draft to augment (granted we have no draft picks until 2011).

Posted by: SallieMae | November 20, 2006 3:28 PM | Report abuse

i know i'm a bit late but awesome job jason (of this blog)! this was your best piece yet. with some juice.

and after reading bos. can the techies of this blog hook us up with the G 'N R's "patience" playing in the background?

Posted by: dealer | November 20, 2006 3:33 PM | Report abuse


Get the f&*( off this blog, bud. You're terrible and have exasperated my patience to the point of no return. I'm not sure if you're one of the 2 legged donkeys that disappeared after Novak buried your panzy @sses a couple weeks back, but, you won a home game...congrats. Cause you sucked so bad last year, you get an easy schedule. The Redskins, in case you didn't notice, went to the playoffs last year. It was great, you guys should try it. Now we have (ahem) personnel problems, similar to week 13 when TO's pacifier falls out. You split with us, then come here to talk sh!t on an AFC win and call Gibbs a fraud??? Are you kidding? I thought it was just prejudice when I envision cowgurl fans as one legged chainsaw totting rejects skipping through dusty fields with cycloptic 3 breasted females in a masterful piece of cocaine ridden anarchy. But thank you, sucks, for proving that indeed, all cowgurls fans are complete moorons and a bit cooky How many trick-or-treaters are locked in your basement? All the Indians huh? Don't worry, I won't tell. 3 super bowls and a winning % that times one hundered (take ur time w/ this) makes your IQ very upset and you talk sh!t on JG? Come on. Look up fraud in the dickshonairy and you'll find Barry Switzer crawling out from under JJ's desk. You might be having a bad day. I too, sometimes wonder how the glue is soooo much easier to get than the meth, but they're both just as fun with moonshine and an unsuspecting young cousin.

Hop off the blog, got to, and pray for a playoff appearance.


Posted by: Pub Golf | November 20, 2006 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Ricky Bobby, that is what drives me crazy about a HowBry chat. He drops these little nuggets and then doesn't elaborate. What?! Someone dictated that Jason should play? That's news HowBry, how bout telling us who, why, where, and when.

Reading that guy's chat is like watching Lost.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 20, 2006 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs is too loyal to bad players. You're only supposed to be loyal to the ones that help you win. Winning is everything in pro sports. The redskins aren't winning. Betts needs to sit down next to Brunell.. nice guys - 2nd stringers.

Campbell however, will give this team a chance to win every game for the next 10 years. Finally. Their inconsistency at QB and Head Coach the past 16 years is what has killed this team over and over. And the 2 are absolutely linked to success in the NFL.

Defensively. what can you say.. they aren't very good individually. Rogers - dropped yet another int for a td yesterday. He's allergic to making plays.

the defensive line - worst in the league. Don't make tackles, and don't occupy blockers at the first level. Off lineman are getting to the LB's, never a good thing

and personally the scheme, was never too terrific for me. PLayers make plays, these players don't make plays. Aside from Taylor, who I don't blame for trying to make a play each snap, b/c really - who else will?

But the blitzes - not disguised very well at all. very see through coverages. not impressed.

running game is anemic.. can we run more traps, misdirection pls? everything is a stretch play or pitch...

Posted by: steve o | November 20, 2006 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Get ready for the blockbuster anouncement today at 4:30: Gibbs is retiring at end of season, Saunders will be new head coach, and Snyder is moving team to LA

Posted by: Big News | November 20, 2006 3:47 PM | Report abuse has done "10 Guys Who've Worn Out Their Welcome." It includes Archubingus and Joe Gibbs.

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 20, 2006 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Big News,

That's awesome. It'll be a lot easier for me to make games in LA than DC.

Is Dawn Wells going to be special teams coach, too?

Posted by: P Diddy | November 20, 2006 3:48 PM | Report abuse

This is at least a 5-7 yr healing process if, and ONLY IF, Snyder realizes that his fantasy team sucks, that he is to blame and if he commits to a full time GM and the draft.

This is not likely to happen but if it does I suggest they blow up the team ala Fla Marlins, dump all the 'comfortable' free agents we can or get picks for them if possible, stink for a couple more years until we actually have a draftpick before Rd 5.

While waiting until 2008(I am also hopeful that our cap issues are resolved by then) we would have time to research, recruit and sign a REAL GM. God knows who our coach would be then, hopefully a few more Belichek/Homgren disciples are ready by then as Joe, sadly, will have ridden off to retirement with barely a whimper and a tarnished legacy.

At that point we could start to build thru the draft and fill holes with free agents like all the other successful NFL teams. For a 'smart'(some say ruthless) business man Snyder sure is slow to recognize all the flaws in this business plan, I am shocked at how long this has gone on--what 7 yrs now??

All I see are old guys who try but can't do it anymore(Jansen, Samuels, Griffin, Daniels, Brunell and Springs), young guys who are adrift in the confusing haze of their talent and new wealth(Rogers, Taylor) and a bevy of 'prime of their career' guys that are WAY too comfortable and have no fire at all(Carter, Lloyd, Archuletta). There are a couple heroes that are the kind of guys we like(Marcus, Portis, Thomas, Cooley) but they are outnumbered greatly.

I want DeMarcus Ware, I want Marques Colston, I want Merriman, I want young studs who are hungry, who want to be here, who want to win. In 2013 we will have that, if Snyder heres his own footsteps.


Posted by: PedroG | November 20, 2006 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Joe in Raleigh, I've been reading these posts all year, and your bashing of that Starboys idiot was the best ever. thank you.

Posted by: Apex, NC | November 20, 2006 3:50 PM | Report abuse


Comparrison to Lost = hilarious.

I agree with you on most of his chat; however, I think we all have to agree that Joe does not appear very high on Jason. When have you ever heard him talk about Jason like he talks about Brunell, Portis, Moss, etc? In 2 years, I just haven't heard it.

You would think last week Gibbs would finally let down his guard after he decided to make the move.... but no, you get the same BS comments. In fact, Gibbs proved that he would rather talk about his anguish over Brunell than the future for his 24-year old hand picked QB...

It just doesn't make any sense to me.

PG, nice post. Any person who comes on another team's blog to consistently bash and poke fun is a loser. Go celebrate with your team's fans, you dope.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 20, 2006 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm done with "Lost". I've moved on to "Heroes".

Posted by: P Diddy | November 20, 2006 3:52 PM | Report abuse

As terrible as the D is, I am overall more outraged by the treatment of Duckett. The man is a beast, and given the chance to carry consistently I'm confident he could run wild (more wild than Ladell at least). Give the man a fair shot. Not playing him is a joke.

Posted by: dk | November 20, 2006 3:53 PM | Report abuse

P-Diddy, I think Snyder is going to give $2mil to Handy Smurf to be our next Special Teams coach. If Handy is unavailable, look for a big push for Orko from He-Man

Posted by: Big News | November 20, 2006 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Hats off to Apex. Hope the chemical plant incident didn't cause you too much inconvenience. If you're in town, you should come check out the games at Hi5 on Sundays. Good bar, good Skins crew.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 20, 2006 3:58 PM | Report abuse

ok this year is officially over. the skins did good by startin JC, good. now lets see wat rocky is made of. lets pan out our team for next year, should we finish 7-9 we should have wat the 12th pick at best wat should we do lets see. Offense- QB- JC, RB- CP; Rock; Betts?; Duckett?, TE; Cooley; Fauria, WR- Moss; Randle - El(I know he will do better he's a slot); Lloyd(He's not Moss but wait till next year);Thrash?;Patten?, O-line is still fair. so the O stays the same for next year. Defense - well obviously we need a corner(who's good this year?), a DT(somebody as good as CG or better if thats possible), a DE(somebody that can actually rush the passer), leave the LB's alone they will get better(off year this year except for Marcus), the safeties(give adam a second chance get somebody that can teach him how to cover, lol.). well there we have it peoples can somebody show this to danny boy.

p.s. Danny plz dont let go of this years draft picks (if any). this time actually draft somebody.

Posted by: Top Dawg | November 20, 2006 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Diddy, I'm going to watch Heroes for the 1st time tonight. I don't know what it's about, but I LOVE the advertising. Save the Cheerleader. Sign me up.

This team is crazy. The BIG NEWS is going to be that everyone fought their guts out and that we have a bunch of character guys.

Ok ok. I seriously need to get some work done. I love this blog.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 20, 2006 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Top really think this team will win 4 of its last 6 games? Thanks for the laugh

Posted by: JankySpankyGotPaid | November 20, 2006 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, the explosion was not cool, esp. since we just brought our 1st born home from the hospital that week. Fortunately my folks live in Holly Springs so we had a safe place to go.
What's the scene like at Hi5? Do people bring their kids? Is there a cover to get in to watch the games?

Posted by: Apex, NC | November 20, 2006 4:04 PM | Report abuse

SallieMae wrote "(granted we have no draft picks until 2011)."


Posted by: X.Hog | November 20, 2006 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Pub Golf
Your can of soup QB is like the 16 before him OVERRATED and SUCKS,Like some other clown fans you point to last yr like it was SB(it was) for you guys.You are a whiney fan in need of anger mgt classes!!10 yrs from now youll still be pointing to last yr as the last time you won a playoff game!!IN 5 YRS YOU WILL HAVE WON 1 PLAYOFF GAME IN 20 YRS!!!!!YOU AND YOUR TEAM ARE PATHETIC...

Posted by: Pub Golf Sucks | November 20, 2006 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only one was absolutely thrilled to not hear "Green 40!!!!!! Green 40!!!!!" reverberating through my TV?

If I ever hear that again, I'm heading up north to the Dundalk-dome. They appear to know what they're doing unlike this dysfunctional organization.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 20, 2006 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Sallie Mae:
I was mean to you before. I apologize. I read your posts with gusto now.

Amendment to BLAW on previous thread: Until such time as he throws an interception or fumbles (and loses it), Jason Campbell is the Redskins' savior and anyone who says otherwise should be beaten with a wet noodle.

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | November 20, 2006 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Ricky Bobby- I didn't hear Green 40 either. It was great! Oh wait, I was watching with the sound down because I couldn't take Bill "No Maas", um, no mas.

Posted by: JankyGotPaid | November 20, 2006 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Sucks, you suck. Remember, when it goes bad for you this year, you deserve it. You root for the most dispacable organization in pro sports. You deserve every bit of failure and frustration you get and then some. Aenias Williams just went by...he was returning an int for a TD the last time you went to went to the playoffs. Always remember your failures, your soulless mercenary of a pig coach, your fellons who stab teammates over haircuts, and your own plastic owner who has been rocking a 'Weekend at Bernies' since 1997 when he o'd on some booger sugar and died with 4 strippers at a Marriott hotel in dallas. Booyakashot.

Look at what the Redskins have done to Pub Golf. This is a nice man. Now he wants to eat souls. Terrifying what expectations and lies can do to a man.

I am so down on the skins right now. The only reason I watch is so I can say that I did when they do well. Same reason I watch the wizards...

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | November 20, 2006 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Pub Golf Sucks,
You sound like the standard Cowturd fan. Full of venom, but only strike after your team does something. The only team other than DALLAS to have gone more years WITHOUT MAKING THE 2ND ROUND OF THE PLAYOFFS in the entire NFC is the LIONS!! So when you say '10 yrs from now you'll be talking about last year as your last playoff win' YOU must be the EXPERT on THAT!
Your a typical front running dallas fan. I'll bet your favorite college team this year is Ohio State, and before that it was Miami, and before that Notre Dame. I'll bet your favorite basketball player is Michale Jordan and your favorte baseball team is the Yankees. And I'll bet you've never even visited Dallas. You probably have a father or brother that's a Redskins fan that you can't live up to so you had to pick the glamor team of Dallas as your favorite team just to have one thing in your life that is better that everyone else around you. You're all alike. You are such losers in real life you need a glamor team to associate yourself with in order to feel like you amount to something. But don't you see, being that type of fan truly proves what a complete loser you are? Get some help. Dr Phil, Dr Drew, Dr Ruth, somebody, anybody.

Posted by: the check | November 20, 2006 4:17 PM | Report abuse

pg, you are a very angy fellow i guess thats what 3-7 will do . dont worry though you will get a good draft pick. redskins and their fans enjoy your long vacation

Posted by: honest abe | November 20, 2006 4:17 PM | Report abuse

As a true diehard Skins fan it is hard for me to say what i'm about to say but... Gibbs has to go football is about energy!!! asserting your will on your opponent... that's were the comparison of football and war comes from nothing more primal than these two facets of life... We need a young energetic coach who doesn't care about offending/demoting/cutting veterans or ANYONE else when they are not performing!!!! Looking at our coaching tree it reminds me of a photo shoot at an AARP convention. We hear it all the time to be successful you have to spend countless hours perfecting your gameplan/preperation at 60 plus years of age Gibbs and the Seniors cannot possibly have that amount of energy anymore to consistently out think their opponents game in and game out... Gibbs and G Will both remind me of Rumsfeld all are inflexible, too rigid, and too arrogant or too slow to first admit mistakes and second to make the needed adjustments. I would prefer to bring in a GM from an organization with a track record of winning football, NE has been picked clean, perhaps someone from Denver, Carolina, Indy, or hate to say this but Philly... team that GM with a young up and coming coach from perhaps the Dungy coaching tree.. maybe luck-up and find the next lovie or herm make them keep al saunders so JC and the rest of the O will have some continuity (not fair to evaluate Saunders while portis has been hurt all year and MB at QB enough said) and blow up the team... get rid of EVERY over paid non productive player in one fail swoop take the cap hit and draft and reload for 08!!!! trade M. washington and c.griifin cut everyone else on D save Springs and Taylor, extend cooley and taylor's contracts and build for the long haul.... with a defensive minded coach from that coaching tree and a proven personnel person our Skins can regain the luster of our glory days!!!!! sorry for the long blog I needed to vent... by the way Warrick Holdman is the worst player in the league hands down!!!!!!

Posted by: Stef | November 20, 2006 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Apex, Hi5 has a separate room for the Skins. Theres a projector, a couple plasmas, and some 27" TVs in the room. Good fans that get loud and sing HTTR when we score. There's a bigger turnout when the Skins game isn't picked up by Fox or CBS obviously.

As far as kids, I've seen some older kids (10-ish) but it's mostly adults. It tends to get smokey, too. Hi5 is owned by the same people that own Michael Deans, so the food is great. And everything on the menu is $5.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 20, 2006 4:17 PM | Report abuse

>>> "Save the Cheerleader. Sign me up."

I've been saying "save the cheerleader, save the world" since I was a 13 year old boy in the DC suburbs. It's about time someone else started seeing the importance of cheerleaders to the well-being of our planet. If I've saved one cheerleader today, the world is a better place.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 20, 2006 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Daaaaaamn PG Sucks, you just got power bombed followed by a big Leg Drop by the tag team of Art Monk and The Check. Nice job guys, got to unite against these idiot Dallas fans that have nothing to do all day other than talk 'ish on Redskins' blogs.

Posted by: N&O | November 20, 2006 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what this big news is...the suspense is killing me!

And by "killing me", I mean that I've wasted an hour buying stuff on iTunes.

Oddly enough, I'm actually at work today filling out expense reports.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 20, 2006 4:26 PM | Report abuse

"Fiona Apple's latest CD is good, too. Especially the unreleased version, and especially the song "Not About Love""

Posted by: Joe in Richmond | November 20, 2006 03:25 PM


Posted by: vinny cerrato | November 20, 2006 4:27 PM | Report abuse

The big news....They DIDN'T fight their guts out yesterday

Posted by: JankySpankyGotPaid | November 20, 2006 4:27 PM | Report abuse

>>> "Handy Smurf" ... "Orko from He-Man"

Reminds me of two of my favorite sketches from Robot Chicken...

If anyone sees Seth Green, tell him I said "Waddup".

Posted by: P Diddy | November 20, 2006 4:28 PM | Report abuse

The big news:
"The Lord damned me with a horrible bunch of guys"

Posted by: N&O | November 20, 2006 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Seems funny that Skins showed patience with the grooming of JC. That patience seems to have paid off nicely. It's a shame they can't show that same kind of patience with the organization. That lack of patience most assuredly has paid off!

Posted by: Jerry | November 20, 2006 4:30 PM | Report abuse

If I hear that "we're all in it together" one more time I'm going to line my car up, release the parking break, then run 100 yards down the road, lay down, and wait for the thing to mack me, Tienmen Square style.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 20, 2006 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the big news is that we're no longer in it together, we refuse to fight our guts out, and "Mr." Snyder is giving every season ticket holder a one game refund.

And monkeys might fly out of my butt.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 20, 2006 4:34 PM | Report abuse

The check, CHECK STANDINGS YOU WHINY LOSER FAN,YOUR LAST as in loser! BOYS just beat best team in football who hadnt lost but 1 in last 34 regular season games.if your going to bring up past like some clown fans. make sure to include:boys over skinys?
1.more SB wins
2.more playoff victories
5.more head to head
the past is not kind to clown skin fans so to bring it up makes all of you WHO DO look like IDIOTS!!! HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS!

Posted by: The check sucks | November 20, 2006 4:36 PM | Report abuse

The only big news that could possibly be good news, at this point, would be that we fired crazy eyes Vinny C and hired a GM

Posted by: Bring Back Bobby Bethard | November 20, 2006 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Note to Double G - It's one thing to hold out rookies when your doing well but to not even work him into a couple of series when you're getting run over is ridiculous. Your wonderful system just let one of the worst offensive teams in the league rack up 300 plus yards. Hubris will always come back to bite you - just ask Dubya. LET ROCKY PLAY

Posted by: skinswest | November 20, 2006 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Al will coach up the D, and Gregg Genius will coach up the O, and Joe will...well, what is it that he does anyway?

Posted by: JankySpankyGotPaid | November 20, 2006 4:37 PM | Report abuse

If he fires Vinny, I might have to go out and get blacked out drunk to celebrate tonight.

But as P. Diddy said, a donkey will also fly out of my arse.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 20, 2006 4:38 PM | Report abuse

(The troll is powerless if you just ignore it. That's it. Just ignore it.)

Greatest ever? Shane MacGowan's comeback tour at the old Black Cat, must have been '95.

Another positive to dwell on: I am eating an absolutely terrific burrito right now.

Yes, the latest Fiona Apple is great, but you take a manliness hit when you admit it.

Speaking of which, Fiona Apple reminds me that McIntosh > apple > apple core > core player.

Okay, that was my ADD rant. Just killing time before the Presser.


Posted by: Nate in the PDX | November 20, 2006 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Hey burgundy pants this year bro, they didn't have 'em made

Posted by: Chad | November 20, 2006 4:40 PM | Report abuse

The Check Sucks, thank you for proving my point. People like you pick Dallas as their favorite team because they are the glamor team with the most superbowls, super stars, media hype, fellons, drug addicts, etc. My point is that Dallas FANS are such losers with nothing else going for them in life, so they pick Dallas as their favorite team because it's a guarantee that they can at least talk about their gloried past. But Dallas has been so horrible lately, I'm surprised you haven't made the switch to the Pats or maybe the TO Pills Plan.

Posted by: the check | November 20, 2006 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Timeout from our topic of today. Keep hearing this annoying buzz in my ear, Oh sorry that's "Redskins still Suck". I think my man SKINZ said it all for me. One Armed Clap for Parcells for building a team. I guess that's good enough for you cowpucks fans but we want a winner, damn being a contender.

Posted by: Don Redskin | November 20, 2006 4:42 PM | Report abuse

art monktosticks,you were still playing last time your team went to SB and you still cant get in HOF. already one clown skin FRAUD in HOF(GIBBY) dont need another!

Posted by: Redskins Suck | November 20, 2006 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Coach Joe sez special teams are a real plus.

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 20, 2006 4:45 PM | Report abuse

For those idiot Cowpie fans that waste their time on these blogs, just remember that when you say the Redskins suck, the FACT is the Redskins beat Dallas this month, so if the Redskins suck, what does that say about the team they beat?

Posted by: Duck Fallas | November 20, 2006 4:45 PM | Report abuse

No big announcement. Nothing. Nada. Zippo. Zilch.

Posted by: SBXLII | November 20, 2006 4:48 PM | Report abuse

As Cindy said, special teams are a plus. That's big news to almost all of us!

I'm going to go back to downloading bad music and eating Nestle Crunch bars.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 20, 2006 4:50 PM | Report abuse

watching joe's presser...

he is sooooooooooooo DONE. it's OVER joe.

impeach el presidente, joe!

Posted by: dealer | November 20, 2006 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Big announcement: "TJ's a big back"

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | November 20, 2006 4:50 PM | Report abuse

crowd noise? what crowd? all i heard was Bill Maas!!

Posted by: dealer | November 20, 2006 4:51 PM | Report abuse

As many have said before me, this defense is painful to watch. What worries me is that Gregg Williams is supposedly waiting in the wings to become the next head coach after Gibbs leaves. Now that's downright scary. If this guy can't keep his defense going and have his guys believing in him, how are we supposed to trust him with our entire team?!?!

To end on a positive note, I must admit I was yelling and jumping up and down when Campbell threw the deep ball on the first play of the game. Yes, Lloyd is a moron for not catching it, but WE FINALLY SAW THE DEEP BALL!!! The kid looks good and he's the reason I'll keep watching and cheering for my beloved burgundy and gold.

Posted by: ACCskin | November 20, 2006 4:52 PM | Report abuse

"...patten's been out" as an excuse to not "gettin the ball down field"

when was mr. patten ever HEALTHY??????

Posted by: dealer | November 20, 2006 4:53 PM | Report abuse

4:52 EST. "Thash has played his guts out."

Start chugging, people.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 20, 2006 4:53 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 20, 2006 4:53 PM | Report abuse


MY BOY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: dealer | November 20, 2006 4:53 PM | Report abuse

jason, i really hope you don't get in trouble for that. that was a hard hit.

"scapegoat"!!! wow! good on you!

Posted by: dealer | November 20, 2006 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Listening to Joe is like listening to a 400 pound hog of a woman chomping down on buffalo wings.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 20, 2006 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Once again, the highlight will be looking for J-Lac and Howard at the end.

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 20, 2006 4:55 PM | Report abuse

no anger. no emotion. no changes. You can not be serious

Posted by: SBXLII | November 20, 2006 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Nice work, JLa. Getting Joe to answer a question without dancing around the subject completely is probably harder than finding Osama Bin Laden.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 20, 2006 4:57 PM | Report abuse

"Mark is super-supportive."

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 20, 2006 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Come on, Gibbsy. How can you be sooooo nonplussed about Soupy? The kid did a solid job. How about a little praise about how he did on the field?

Whoa, something about Soupy's demeanor reminds Gibbs of Doug Williams? Ok, that definitely counts as praise.

Here we go: JG praises JC for two plays, the one where he came free and threw for a nice completion; and the goal-line TD toss to [tight end #85].


Posted by: Nate in the PDX | November 20, 2006 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Brunell back-up-QB'd-his-guts-out

Posted by: JankyGotPaid | November 20, 2006 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Brunell goes from "super smart" to "super SUPPORTIVE". This is comical and sad all at the same time.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 20, 2006 4:58 PM | Report abuse

since JC was suppose to be "week to week"...howcome no one asked/asking
"who'll be the starting qb against carolina?"

why is that a given when it comes to this org?

Posted by: dealer | November 20, 2006 4:58 PM | Report abuse

"Where we think we are..". Where's that? We stink, but our back-up QB is "super supportive". GREAT! He's super supporting his guts out

Posted by: SBXLII | November 20, 2006 5:02 PM | Report abuse

5:03 EST, St. Joe thanks the fans.

2 shots of tequila, people.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 20, 2006 5:02 PM | Report abuse

"the fans make great decisions"

Based on the performance of this team, I would have to raise my hand and say I've chosen poorly.

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | November 20, 2006 5:03 PM | Report abuse

this reminds me of spurrier's last year. when he basically checked out mentally in the middle of the year.

Posted by: dealer | November 20, 2006 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Once again Gibbs refuses to give the kind of compliments to Campbell he always gave Brunell during Monday pressers.

What is he doing to this organization? Ridiculous.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 20, 2006 5:03 PM | Report abuse


He already made comments about the defenses Jason will face through the end of the season and the challenges they will present for him. There is no question who will be starting against Carolina.

Posted by: JustMe | November 20, 2006 5:03 PM | Report abuse

He said, we have some guys playing well on defense. Can someone tell me who that is? I have no clue. When our coaches over there make a decision why don't you make it for them. You are in charge.

Posted by: calebt17 | November 20, 2006 5:04 PM | Report abuse

These are really good questions, guys. Impressive.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 20, 2006 5:05 PM | Report abuse

"We're all together" 5:03PM

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 20, 2006 5:06 PM | Report abuse

We have an all in this together reference.

Posted by: 5:06 pm EST | November 20, 2006 5:06 PM | Report abuse

he aint happy about offensive plays...

justme, i was wondering about last night...that should've been the first question...of course that would've been smart a$$y....

i'm changing my name to "cynicter"

Posted by: dealer | November 20, 2006 5:07 PM | Report abuse

5:06 EST, four "It's all of us" references in a row.

That's two Jaeger bombs.

I might go into a coma soon.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 20, 2006 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Listening to his pressers are almost as frustrating as watching the team play.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 20, 2006 5:07 PM | Report abuse

"the fans mmake great decisions"...I know that's right. I'll keep my hard earned money from now on. Thanks Joe

Posted by: NoMoreSeasonTix | November 20, 2006 5:08 PM | Report abuse

diddy, i agree. but can jason ask the "philosophy" question again that joe dodged 3 weeks ago?

Posted by: dealer | November 20, 2006 5:08 PM | Report abuse

We are very good at being supportive. That's awesome. How many wins does that give you?

Posted by: Support system | November 20, 2006 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Why do I believe that this blog crowd could totally MST3K one of these pressers?

Posted by: P Diddy | November 20, 2006 5:09 PM | Report abuse

hysterical. I hope Joe enjoys playing in front of tens of thousands of Eagles/Giants/Cowboys fans for the rest of this season and next.

Posted by: nomoretix | November 20, 2006 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Calebt17 - I think that maybe Joe just doesn't know who plays defense for us any more. Maybe he is just listening to the radio and hears that Antonio Pierce is having a monster year or Smoot and Clark are having solid years and just assumes they still play for us.

Posted by: BT | November 20, 2006 5:10 PM | Report abuse

i know it won't solve anything with this org.

but i would keep TJ and let betts go.

Posted by: cynicter | November 20, 2006 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey! I need shoutout!

Posted by: Fightin Their Guts Out | November 20, 2006 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm in for that Diddy -- just let's make sure there's enough to drink. Cause Lord knows I would need it to get through this drivel.

And yet, I keep watching. Another questionable decision made by this fan.

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | November 20, 2006 5:11 PM | Report abuse

did he dodge the number-of-Duckett-carries question or was I dozing off?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | November 20, 2006 5:12 PM | Report abuse

We're all in this together.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 20, 2006 5:12 PM | Report abuse

BT that's hilarious. Gregg Williams hates young guys. He would rather have a bunch of old has beens.

Posted by: calebt17 | November 20, 2006 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Howard!!!! No J-Lac.

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 20, 2006 5:13 PM | Report abuse

That was the most embarrassing attempt at a press conference EVER.

I'm so sick of this.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 20, 2006 5:13 PM | Report abuse

aaahhhh shucks! no jason!

Posted by: cynicter | November 20, 2006 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Just send me Coach! Ima ready!

Posted by: Rocky Duh MacIntosher | November 20, 2006 5:13 PM | Report abuse

That was as painful as the game to watch.

Posted by: calebt17 | November 20, 2006 5:14 PM | Report abuse

That really, really, really, really stunk.

Posted by: Megskin | November 20, 2006 5:15 PM | Report abuse


joe's gone after this year.

Posted by: cynicter | November 20, 2006 5:15 PM | Report abuse

time to go drink my guts out.

Posted by: SBXLII | November 20, 2006 5:15 PM | Report abuse

At least this ended better than the game, with a lovely view of our Howard.

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 20, 2006 5:16 PM | Report abuse

what did I miss - let me guess "blah blah blah, we're all in this together, blah blah, really faught his guts out, blah blah, getting Arch Deluxe in on some packages, blah blah, Mark's been great in his supporting role, blah blah, looking for more core Redskins...." anything else earth shattering? What was the question Howard asked?

Posted by: mile high | November 20, 2006 5:17 PM | Report abuse

mile high you missed this earth-shattering piece of information: "TJ's a big back"

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | November 20, 2006 5:19 PM | Report abuse


what can we do?

go back to our lives? 7 weeks early?

how about megskin, cindy, haikuman(where the F is he??????????), skinz, pubgolf all get together and write Snyder an e-mail?

Posted by: dealer | November 20, 2006 5:19 PM | Report abuse

yeah Mile High...he said #8 is supporting his guts out

Posted by: SBXLII | November 20, 2006 5:19 PM | Report abuse

HOLY SHTI! TJ, Big? Who knew?

Posted by: mile high | November 20, 2006 5:19 PM | Report abuse

J La C really asked his guts out at the presser

Posted by: JankySpankyGotPaid | November 20, 2006 5:22 PM | Report abuse

I hate to offer a little optimism here, but Coach Joe is a brilliant leader. He is in the HOF. What if, in 18 months, his resolve proves to have been the correct course? I was just talking to a columnist who shall remain nameless and we were kicking that one around.

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 20, 2006 5:22 PM | Report abuse

P.S. J-LaC is super-supportive.

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 20, 2006 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Oh, jeez, whatever happened to haikuman????

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 20, 2006 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Listening to that press conference... well, it is downright scary how pained Gibbs still is with the whole qb situation. Even when asked leading questions, he would not flat-out endorse JC . He is itching to get Brunell back under center somehow.

Posted by: Chris | November 20, 2006 5:25 PM | Report abuse

editor, he's a brilliant coach/HC. but as long as he's the president of this team without a gm...this team isn't going anywhere.

snyder's fooled me 3 times and i'm an idiot but he aint foolin me the 4th time.

no GM next year= no spending money on this team by me.

Posted by: dealer | November 20, 2006 5:25 PM | Report abuse

brunell is to gibbs what woefull was to spurrier.

Posted by: dealer | November 20, 2006 5:29 PM | Report abuse

shout out to JLaC's're editing your guts out

Posted by: SBXLII | November 20, 2006 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Infoless presser
But quite super supportive
Blog needs haikus, man

Posted by: Not Haikuman | November 20, 2006 5:31 PM | Report abuse

"I hate to offer a little optimism here, but Coach Joe is a brilliant leader. He is in the HOF. What if, in 18 months, his resolve proves to have been the correct course? I was just talking to a columnist who shall remain nameless and we were kicking that one around."

That gives me an idea, we should all compare Kool Aid receipes.

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | November 20, 2006 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Let's get Matt Millen back! Yeah! And then, after Arch Delux vomits all-over the staff, we can spend to bring in his replacement and then just pour some NASCAR low-lead all over the place and hit the match.

Jason was a gem! BL, next time te ball hits you in the hands, catch.

Posted by: Gary | November 20, 2006 5:31 PM | Report abuse

It is too easy to pick on the redskins......They are just that horrible. The defense has been the downfall of this team all year and Gregg Williams should take all the blame for that abomination of a defense. Having said that, I don't think he should be fired for one bad season. We all agree that lack of continuity has been the skins biggest problem therefore firing G. Williams would only mean starting over again. However some of the high ranking assistant head coaches or associate head coaches would have to go.

It is also not practical to blow up the team right now; the salary cap implications will be disastrous. The best way to address this rot will be to make the best out of a truly horrible situation.

(1) The Linebackers - We are asking these guys to player above their talent level, the sad truth is that they are not talented so you get what you pay for. You let A. Pearce and LaVar leave, elevate journey men backups to starters, and this is the exact result you'll get. The best way to resolve this without going out and signing free agents to outrageous amounts of money is to move that overpaid and grossly underachieving A. Carter to linebacker and elevate Rocky to a starter.
(2) D-line - Through the Draft. Since the skins are going to have a top ten first round pick it will make sense to trade down and acquire two first round picks. Use both picks on D-linemen.
(3) Corners Backs - Bench C. Rogers it is obvious that he is a bust by now. Do the Snyder thing and go after the best cover corners in free agency.

That's the way to fix this quickly. Did I say fire some assistants and associate head coaches?

Posted by: Ejaylala | November 20, 2006 5:31 PM | Report abuse

mile high, and joe said he isn't good in math. DUHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: dealer | November 20, 2006 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I think St. Joe could turn it around in 18 months so I guess that would classify me as optimistic as well.

However, 18 months from now would be the offseason in 2008. It seems like an eternity away....

My Kool Aid: Wine, it does a body good.

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | November 20, 2006 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Now did you all really expect Gibbs to say anything other than what he usually says in the presser? If so you were all drinking the Kool ain't happening.

Posted by: Lisa | November 20, 2006 5:53 PM | Report abuse

The next 18 months are sure to pass very quickly, given all the Festivities that Daniel will surely be planning to celebrate the 75th anniversary of the franchise. Golly, he made such a fuss out of #70 that I can't wait to see what he comes up with this time.

But seriously, whether it takes 18 months or longer, it will be easier to remain at least a tiny bit optimistic about the future of this team with Coach Joe at the reins than without. And I mean that.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | November 20, 2006 5:56 PM | Report abuse

5:57. Coach on with George. "We played our guts out"

Posted by: JankySpankyGotPaid | November 20, 2006 5:58 PM | Report abuse

For what it is worth, Gibbs was very complimentary of Jason C when George Michael interviewed him on NBC4. He seems to feel much more comfortable with Michael who actually told him how angry he was with some of the players...Michael called out Carlos Rogers.

Posted by: Lisa | November 20, 2006 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Coach Gibbs sounds PO'd on the riggo show.

Dealer, I'll buy your season ticks off of you if you don't want to spend any more money.

Cindy: Good thought . . .

I remember what it was like to root for this team pre-SB XVII and the guy who changed it all is Joe Gibbs. So while this is disappointing, I'm not ready to give up on the team and expect that we'll get back to the SB at some point down the road. This was an awfully broke organization and it will take time to fix it. So far, not very encouraging . . .

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | November 20, 2006 6:16 PM | Report abuse can buy my season tix if you want. face value for the whole 2007 season!

Posted by: NoMoreSeasonTix | November 20, 2006 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Though I'm just as disgusted with the skins as everyone else is on this blog, I think we need to be a bit more patient with Gibbs. This is only his 3rd season back and during this time he has had to get accustomed to 1. salary cap, 2. parity, and 3. "win-now" mentality.

The other coaching legend in our division has had more time in with his current team and also coached other teams during the salary cap era; yet I don't think you can say that he's been more successful than Gibbs. But somehow, people seem to cut him slack while with Gibbs its always "the game has passed him by."

Also, give Rogers more time to learn. Playing corner is the toughest position to learn outside of QB and great corners aren't born overnight. Even Champ Baily didn't become the greatest CB overnight. Rogers may not ever be Champ, but he still could be a top CB.

The players who I won't cut any slack to are Andre Carter, Lemar Marshall, Warrick Holdman, Brandon Lloyd, and Jansen. All of whom need to go.

Posted by: cali skins fan | November 20, 2006 6:27 PM | Report abuse

the last 2 weeks exemplifies why this defense has not been as strong as last year. two bobbled/fumbled passes turn into TDs for the opponents - why weren't there any redskins in the picture attacking the ball? the aggression and passion just isn't there.

Posted by: cali skins fan | November 20, 2006 6:33 PM | Report abuse

The problem with the QB siuation is that Gibbs is here to win now. Campbell will not be a winner for us (if he becomes the QB we hope) for at least two more years.

Gibbs is fighting the struggle between trying to hold things together (in an effor to win now) and striping things down and rebuilding for the next coaching crew.

Posted by: BT | November 20, 2006 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Cali skin fan - Your point is valid, but I don't see Rodgers being a #1 CB. You can tell from thier rookie year (you could tell with Champ) whether or not they will be special.

Posted by: BT | November 20, 2006 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Anyone (this means you JLC) want to go back and track all of the draft picks the Skins have given up and see who the teams chose with those picks? It would be interesting to see what the Skins have given away for mostly crappy free agent pickups. I'd guess that more than one of those draft picks has turned into a good player for another team - I'm sure you don't have to look any further than Vinny's weakness, the Broncos.

Posted by: David | November 20, 2006 6:52 PM | Report abuse

BT - sure, rogers probably won't ever be a shut down corner - but there are only a few of those in the league. i think the drop off from rogers to an avg or below avg cb is pretty large (i.e. rumph). rogers plays the run well, and has shown flashes of talent. he's suffering from a lack of confidence, poor play by the safties and a lack of pass rush. he has too much talent to let him ride the bench or be traded to another team.

Posted by: cali skins fan | November 20, 2006 6:59 PM | Report abuse

After 23 years of being a Washington Redskins fanatic, I will write Dan Synder directly and tender my resignation. The handling of LaVar will never be forgotten.

Posted by: Eric | November 20, 2006 7:13 PM | Report abuse

A smack in the back of my own head for thinking Coach Joe was going to say something big. Like benching someone on the damn D. Put those non hitting LB on the bench and start Rock. This thing is getting worse every week.

Posted by: jm220 | November 20, 2006 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Fox has morals?!?! Well America won't get to see the O.J. If I Did it Here's How BS that we were going to see. I heard his TV special and book have been cancelled. Hopefully the special will be replaced by episodes of Temptation Island

Posted by: Anonymous | November 20, 2006 7:48 PM | Report abuse

18 months

Well, what about the RFK rumors? That's some pretty good news. The sooner we're out of FedEx, the better. If this shortens that time from 25 to ten years, that is extremely welcome. Nothing good about that stadium but the tailgating.

I know that doesn't solve the problems on the defense or in the operating philosophy. I remain confident common sense will someday prevail in the front office, and this will predate any formal deal to build the stadium.

Perhaps this sea change will come once Snyder is occupied with designing largest convertible football stadium ever built, and selling it to a mercurial City Council (2011-2015 with construction beginning late 2012!?). Once this is the consuming passion of his life, I think he will then, naturally want to stop toying with the on-field product.

We actually have some time to waste here. We just need this moment of clarity by New Years Day 2010.

As for the stadium, I know Evans is way out in front of everybody on this, but his pitch has the ring of credibility.

The facts, according to Evans as allowed by common sense:

1. Come 2009 (be realistic) neither the nationals nor the United will need RFK.

2. The stadium and the land below it are property of the government of the district, as ceded by the Federal government. (is the lock-up still next door or did that leave with DC General? They were (it is?), I gather, on the same parcel of land.).

3. Evans strained credibility a bit when he claimed that the land is currently zoned such that ONLY a stadium could be built there. (of course it's zoned for a stadium, what else would you do with land where you're building a stadium) There is a kernel of truth here though. I'd really like to see the cession agreement (term?) between DC and the Feds

4. The city could offer to lease the land to a stadium-builder (Snyder) at waaay cheap while he built.

How much juice does evans have? Enough to get it done? This question depends, in large part, on whether, and how badly Snyder wants this. It seems like he would. It offers him a chance to lavish his opulence on an aspect of the franchise which would actually benefit from it (his opulence). The retractable-roof stadium holding some 90k, would be a sure lock for top 5 on the Superbowl rotation (at least it would be with the stadium I'm thinking of); it would be higher if DC weren't cold-weather, and I'm sure, if he's building it, will be even more profitable than FedEx.

A fine place for Jason to spend his highly effective career years 8-12. He deserves better than the pile of junk in Landover.

Anybody else care about this?

Posted by: Anonymous | November 20, 2006 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, forgot to sign

Posted by: RMilot | November 20, 2006 8:17 PM | Report abuse

rmilot, nicely done. as for "it would be higher if DC weren't cold-weather"...i think by then we'll be seeing temperature in the 80's in january thanks to global warming. (no, i'm not blaming any party...just saying global warming is a fact not a theory).

also how about a sign to take to the next game that says "Gibbs, fire president gibbs!" lame? how about
"Impeach Gibbs!"
"No GM, Empty Seats"
"No GM, No Superbowl"
"Not without a GM you don't"
"No Draft Picks, No Future"
"Win Now, Win Never"
"Will Root for a Team with a GM"

Posted by: dealer | November 20, 2006 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone watching Kornheiser talking about the Ginats being a football dynasty of TV broadcasters? Are you kidding me? What type of cut rate production is ESPN running?

Posted by: BT | November 20, 2006 8:38 PM | Report abuse

"Win Now=Win Never"
"Coach, Fire the President"

Posted by: dealer | November 20, 2006 8:40 PM | Report abuse

RMilot - I think that I speak for all Skins fans when I say the faster they get out of FedEx, the better. DC is a much better place for the stadium, considering the large fan base in Virginia, and it would generate a ton of money for the city through tax revenue. There is a considerable amount of taxes that would come from those $10 beers and $8 hot dogs!

Posted by: BT | November 20, 2006 8:44 PM | Report abuse

w/r to 2007 season tiks, email and we can talk . . .

broncos used a 3rd rounder they got from the skins on maurice clarett, 2nd rounder on Tatum Bell and a first to trade up and get Jay Cutler. . .

couple that come to mind

Posted by: skinsfan@8kaboveMSL | November 20, 2006 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Every single critique in this thread can be traced to ONE problem. No GM or no worthwhile GM, which leads to Snyder being THE problem. For those defending Snyder as some sort of hands-off tiger who has changed his spots you have got to be as drunk as I was when I told Sandra Day O'Conner to "loosen up" at a banquet dinner back in my heyday. Let's say he has given Joe total authority over personnel decisions. Why? Pardon me if I am wrong or need to suck on some more oxygen, but I believe Gibbs is a hall of fame COACH not a hall of fame GM. Who is in charge of this zoo? Apparently, Grilliams is in charge of the invertebrates, but the guy has almost no talent on defense whether that is his doing or not, I am not sure. Who is the Zoo keeper? If it's that confusing then the owner of the Zoo is at fault. By the way, the concept of "core Redskin" needs to stop right now, ok. That is sooo 1980's. There is a thing called FA and salary cap that makes this sort of thing nearly impossible, but you can build through the draft many "core Redskins" of which some will stay and some will leave eventually. Oops, we don't have any of those things called draft picks.

I need to go get some traction before I fall apart!

Posted by: John Riggins | November 20, 2006 8:56 PM | Report abuse

They never shoulda moved in the first place. Memory fades, but for some reason I have always blamed the move to RalJon on a tiff between JKC -- who always wanted to use HIS OWN MONEY to build the thing -- and Mayor Sharon Pratt Dixon/Kelly. Some kind of stupid little nothing that led to the team moving a few very important miles east of RFK. *sigh*

The stadium should be back in DC, yes yes yes. And it should have the full and proper Ring of Honor, and the lower deck should bounce bounce bounce, and the freakin' football players who call it home should wear their freakin' burgundy pants with the white jerseys when they run out of the tunnel. Sorry to be such a one-note Johnny about the costumes, but the white shirts+white pants thing is just killing me.

Have I mentioned that I LOVE THIS BLOG? Thanks to all of you (not you, trolls. studiously ignoring you) for this, especially our hosts. It really helps work off all the angst of the season, especially being a displaced fan out here in OR. Kind of like a big support group. Not that I'm happy to NEED a support group just to stomach this season.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | November 20, 2006 8:58 PM | Report abuse

I have always blamed the move to RalJon on a tiff between JKC -- who always wanted to use HIS OWN MONEY to build the thing -- and Mayor Sharon Pratt Dixon/Kelly

This is true, but there's other parts to it as well. Let's not forget that any stadium built back then would have required RFK to remain open. Therefore the new building would have to have been built next to it, or on some other site. For obvious reasons, this is not a problem now.

Posted by: RMilot | November 20, 2006 9:04 PM | Report abuse

JLC - This has to be one of the most popular blogs on the internet. How many posts, on average, do you get to Redskins Insider a day? 300,400,500? Heck, even cowgirl, little people and dodo bird fans post here!

Posted by: BT | November 20, 2006 9:06 PM | Report abuse

By the way, if I had to name any players who I would like to keep from this team and I would be proud to play with it would be a short list:

Moss, Portis, Cooley, Randle-El, Thomas, Sellers and on defense Washington. Everyone else is very expendable and should be.

For those against tearing apart a 3-7 team on it's way to being a 4-12 or 5-11 team, I ask why?

Finally, I have to go soon to make my traction appointment, but stop pinning for LaVar Arrington. He is one of the most overrated players in the NFL and always has been. He had 1 maybe 2 decent years and people act like he is a hall of famer. He has made a FEW playe, but he also was out of position and got used A LOT by the opposing offense much like Andre Carter is today. Just stop it already. He made two plays for the Giants this year before getting hurt. TWO - a safety and a deflected pass. WOW!!!!

Posted by: John Riggins | November 20, 2006 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Just venting. no direct reply to any one because so MANY have hit the nail on the head. especially mr. today
This shamockery of a football organization is bleeding every last drop of fan $upport.
The bottomless pit of support will end.
and it's starting with me. I'm sick of the condescending,
arrogance toward players (and fans) - "the players are interchangeable in the scheme" bull sh*t. great players make coaches geniuses. sick of the marketing machine. sick of the player moves. sick of the effort on the field. sick of the stupidity.
my own. for supporting this team.

Posted by: Theflatman | November 20, 2006 9:28 PM | Report abuse

go archie's boy's brother!!!!!!!!! wooohoooooooooooo!!!

Posted by: dealer | November 20, 2006 9:56 PM | Report abuse

You guys blogged your guts out today, and up here, that's a hack like me can ask for. Great stuff.I actually think denver took a stiff CB and not Clarett with the pick they got from the Skins at 76th overall, but I could be wrong.
It;s too early to judge a lot of those traded draft picks, but in a few years the returns will be in.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | November 20, 2006 9:56 PM | Report abuse

why are the coaches wearing suits on the sidelines?

Posted by: dealer | November 20, 2006 9:59 PM | Report abuse

and jason, you and rest of the posse at the park brought it today. but el presidente looked a bit too presidential (trying to defend a stupid philosophy).

Posted by: dealer | November 20, 2006 10:02 PM | Report abuse

"...and antonio pierce recovers for the touchback for the skins!!! " wooooo hooo!!

Posted by: dealer | November 20, 2006 10:04 PM | Report abuse

J-la -

Thanks for the Ryan Clark dirt, not a surprise to see another "real Redskin" get screwed... just like Pierce and Smoot (Sexboat aside).


Posted by: Mike D | November 20, 2006 10:04 PM | Report abuse

They've been lobbying for it for years. Finally, they're allowing it as of this week. It's been banned since 1992 (?). Reeves and maybe some others who wanted got grandfathered in. Mike Nolan's been making a lot of noise because his father wore a suit, but the NFL's licensing agreement requires coaches to be in logo gear. I don't know where it is, but I'm sure there's a logo somewhere on that suit. The tie's in team colors. Possibly the lapel pin, but that's so tiny.

Posted by: RMilot | November 20, 2006 10:07 PM | Report abuse

thanks for the info rmilot. had no idea what people were talking about.

but you watching? archie's boy's little brother is tearing it up!!!!!!! wooo hooo!

i'm sorry i don't mean to be shallow but archie's boy's little brother has got to be the ugliest player in the nfl.

Posted by: dealer | November 20, 2006 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know for sure if there is anyway we casn hold on to our Number one draft pick in 2007 and not have to swap with the Broncos? Almost everything I've read say we swap first round picks unless we have a better record than Denver. What a shame as our pick is looking more and more like a VERY high pick. Answer appreciated.

Posted by: TMAN | November 21, 2006 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I am not going to jump on the band wagon and say that 1 game makes a future star. Jason Campbell may well turn out good but one thing to keep in mind is the fact that Tampa Bay, nor anyone else, had any film on Campbell since he never played in a regular season game, and barely in pre-season. Let's see how Campbell does once teams have a book on him. I surely hope he will be good. The Skins need a good, YOUNG, QB for sure.

Posted by: StyxNCa | November 21, 2006 7:46 PM | Report abuse

I am not going to jump on the band wagon and say that 1 game makes a future star. Jason Campbell may well turn out good but one thing to keep in mind is the fact that Tampa Bay, nor anyone else, had any film on Campbell since he never played in a regular season game, and barely in pre-season. Let's see how Campbell does once teams have a book on him. I surely hope he will be good. The Skins need a good, YOUNG, QB for sure.

Posted by: StyxNCa | November 21, 2006 7:47 PM | Report abuse

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