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Monday Morning H-Back

Maybe it was the giddiness of a big win to stave off complete collapse. Maybe it was a strange, lingering side effect from too much turkey over the weekend. Or perhaps Coach Joe is just becoming more convinced by the half.

Whatever the reason, he was more buoyant and enthused about Jason Campbell after this game then ever, and rightfully so. The kid did not have a statistically stellar game, but that's okay at this point. He is using his tools on big plays - like the game-winning touchdown pass - and small plays - buying himself time, stepping into the pressure when the rush is mounting and doing what comes naturally.

Bottom line: He is making plays no Redskins quarterback has been able to make in my three years on this beat. Heck, maybe no one here since Theismann was making things happen on the move and with his athleticism. And, yes, Jason threw a poor, poor pick Sunday. But at least it was a deep ball to the sidelines that could not be returned, and ended up as more of an early punt than anything else. He protects the football and makes smart decisions.

Got to speak to Bugel and Breaux alone for a while after the game, and they were pumped up by the way the kid is playing. They mentioned his decision-making right away - which, we all know, is the key to Coach Joe's heart as a QB - and they loved to see him get the ball to Cooley over the middle, something they admittedly have not done enough of this season.

That's not to say there are not major issues still with the offense. This Lloyd thing is getting ridiculous. You gotta find a way to make a play for your kid QB. This has to be one of the worst seasons ever by any Redskin starting receiver, not to mention one who has $10-mil guaranteed. Randle El finally got back in the end zone, but it's clear Santana is not close to 100 percent right now. Jason definitely wants to spread the ball around, but the receivers have to find a way to get open with more regularity.

I have seen nothing yet from this kid that has not impressed me. I'm not saying he's going to be a superstar, but I think he will be a very solid, winning quarterback in this league is given a chance, and all of his intangibles, his high character and small ego make him a natural to lead your team.

Not sure if Jon Jansen got a game ball, but he deserved one. They found some good running room to the right side and he did a big-time job on Julius Peppers Sunday. Sean Taylor obviously played his best game of the season as well. It's hard to imagine how little he has been around the ball this season, and devastating what he can accomplish when he does end up around it.

Marcus Washington looked like Marcus Washington, Version 2004. All over the place, punishing people.

As much as we love Nick The Kick, and he certainly has guts, I can't see him sticking around next season at this point. Just not accurate enough and some of the kickoffs Sunday we were way short, getting caught at the 11 and 13.

The BLAW against playoff talk remains in tact, but I could be coerced to lift it next Monday depending on what happens this coming weekend. The NFC is co collectively inept - the ending of the Giants game was farcical in its stupidity - that, well, who knows. If Atlanta comes into FedEx with the complete lack of passion, urgency and aggressiveness (on offense) that Carolina displayed, it could be another ugly, close game with the outcome in doubt.

Good thing for the Skins that Tennessee is not in the NFC East, because the Titans are ripping through this division. The league calls it parity; seems a lot like mediocrity to me.

One last thought: How utterly bad was this game to watch? I mean, pretend for a minute you are not a fan with a vested outcome in the game and just reflect upon the opening 45 minutes of football Sunday. Trust me, it was flat-out horrible. Some of Carolina's play calling was vacant. The Skins wasting a timeout to review the Steve Smith TD was comical. The dropped passes, succession of three-and-outs and the blocked punts?

At least the pace picked up in the fourth quarter. I'll leave it at that.

By Jason La Canfora  |  November 27, 2006; 7:30 AM ET
 
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Jason put the annointing oil away! Campbell had 48%compl. and 1 int(NO INT ARE OK)52 yds passing until the cooley pass at end.No pass rush in his face MOST the game(had time to throw)Panthers D hasnt been very good the last month.He seems to be just another QB nothing SPECIAL!

Posted by: Anonymous | November 27, 2006 7:47 AM | Report abuse


Campbell to Cooley -- touchdown!
A long bomb to excite this town!
Take a moment to pray
This duo will stay
And in their future scores abound!


PS JLaC's BLAW on playoff talk is VERY reasonable: it only took until the SECOND caller on the radio post-game show for someone to say the Skins would "run the table with the kid to make the playoffs." Please. Possible? Yes. Probable? No. If the Skins defend their turf over the next two weeks and end up 6-7 -- then we can talk. Also, the hell for Redskins Nation is that any playoff chances rest on the current division winners running away with it and beating down the teams the Skins would have to compete with (IF they can) for the last Wild Card -- meaning the Nation has to root HARD for....gasp...the Cowboys, among others (which includes Seattle tonight.)

Posted by: HaikuMan/LimerickMan | November 27, 2006 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Jason,

Did you get a chance to ask Saunders or Gibbs if Campbell called the same play that they were trying to communicate to him or were they sending in another play? A case could be made that having a young, smart quarterback calling his own plays might be a good thing because he will stick with the plays he feels comfortable with. Looks like Campbell made a great call on the Cooley pass and I was just curious what play the coaches wanted to call. Thanks!

Posted by: Dsmac | November 27, 2006 8:07 AM | Report abuse

I'm at a moment of vulnerability here. I'm torn to give my heart away once again but know I been at this place before.

Nope, I won't do it. I ain't falling for this so my heart can be broken to pieces.

Nice win though...

Posted by: John From Herndon | November 27, 2006 8:23 AM | Report abuse

The BLAW against playoff talk remains in tact, but I could be coerced to lift it next Monday depending on what happens this coming weekend.

Ewwww! No! No! NO! Please, don't even suggest that. Let's be happy with what we can reasonably achieve this year, which is getting this team on track for next year.

One last thought: How utterly bad was this game to watch?

Any game that goes down to the wire is worth watching, to me at least. Passed out watching the Colt's game--now that was a boring, sorry.

Gotta say, like everyone else, I'm so impressed with Campbell, you can't teach someone to be calm in the face of impending disaster. To steal an overused phrase from John Madden: "unflappable."

I thought Rogers had one hell of a good game, no one seemed to write anything about that (though I'm not done with the paper); how about the pass deflection against Keyshawn in the end-zone? And is it my imagination or did Rogers and Springs play almost the whole game man-coverage on their receivers? Ditch the zone for those two. Anyways, the whole D stepped up, totally impressive.

Please, let's keep any complaining to a minimum: we won, effing enjoy it.

Posted by: Megskin | November 27, 2006 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Nope, I won't do it. I ain't falling for this so my heart can be broken to pieces

LMAO! John classic

For the first person that didn't post his name. Do you think Brunell would have done better? No! Remember this is only his second game. To make the call for a touchdown alone is reason for you to be happy. I like what I see from Campbell.

Posted by: jm220 | November 27, 2006 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Megskin its your imagination (both safeties played double coverage 90%)and the team played like they were fighting for theyre jobs next year(gibbs threaten them).Thinking this team is better then it is would be a huge mistake!

Posted by: super bowl? NOT!! | November 27, 2006 8:42 AM | Report abuse

After sitting in RayJay watching the 'Skins D stink it up, it was awful good to be at home in Virginia watching the 'Skins eke one out. I don't care what the kids actual numbers are, the intangibles are visibily there. His facial expression never changed during the entire game, regardless of what was happening. Sure beats the dear in the headlights look I've seen from Redskins QB's over the past few years (read: George, Frerotte, Ramsey, Brunell).
It's nice to see the O-line actually step up for a change. Whatever Gibbs said to the team sure lit a fire under their asses.
Btw, Archubingus even screws up on special teams. I say we just cut him and chalk up the bad taste in our collective mouths to experience. What a sucker.

Posted by: tampadave | November 27, 2006 8:54 AM | Report abuse

both safeties played double coverage 90%

To be a pedant they were probably playing Cover-2 and not "double coverage", but whatever.

If at all it takes to make them play like that is write bad things and yell at them, sign me up.


Posted by: Megskin | November 27, 2006 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Were the Redskins 1 for 3 on third down and one-yard to go? That needs to be fixed - the first 1/2 was painful to watch.

Have you heard Campbell talk? What a great leader - spreads all the credit to everyone else and is extremely humble. That will only make his teammates play harder for him.

Posted by: Not sure | November 27, 2006 8:55 AM | Report abuse

When the Redskins win, they mainly win ugly. Thnak Gibbs for this, its one of his principles. The Jacksonville game is the exception to the rule. Boring (to some scoring junkies) they play winning Redskins football when force three and outs on defense and don't make mistakes on offense. If JC can get a little more touch on his deep ball and get some chemistry going with Moss and Lloyd things could heat up in the "flashy win" department. Gasp, more than 21 points in a single game.

I'm certainly not sold on Lloyd and my intuition says a big "possesion type" wide receiver with great range (ability to go up and get the ball, grab throws that are off slightly) is more of what JC needs...if the AARP crowd at the park decides he is the future at QB.

For all the speed talk on Lloyd, I don't see him streaking down the sidelines ever, wide-open or anything.

Posted by: UglyBall | November 27, 2006 9:01 AM | Report abuse

on Lloyd, I don't see him streaking down the sidelines ever, wide-open or anything.

He's always open on that shallow cross 3-5 yards past the line of scrimmage--like you said though, that's more of a possession type of receiver route. We definately need one of those type of guys.

Posted by: Megskin | November 27, 2006 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Great win. We can chalk this one up to Archibingus because I have a feeling he leaked the information about the defense and Greg Williams. That sure fired up the defense. Give Campbell a break, this was one of the best defenses in the NFL and he managed the game great. I actually don't think the inteception was all that bad. You have to take some shots down field and if he just threw it deeper as he said in his press conference it could have been 6. As it turned out he threw the ball 52 yards, or about the same distance that Frost could have punted it. So, it wasn't terrible. Much better than the Red Zone INT's that Brunell was throwing. The kid is only going to get better.

Posted by: Max | November 27, 2006 9:11 AM | Report abuse

The coaches were actually focused on the run this game, which was good to see. They didn't ask much of Campbell this game, but I am noticing that we are coming away with TD's in the Red Zone, which is something we were getting when Brunell was in there. All signs point to Campbell being better than Brunell, which is all we are asking at this point.

Posted by: Max | November 27, 2006 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Don't forget Campbell ran for a first down in the first half to give Novak a chance to miss the 37 yard field goal. Another thing Brunell hadn't done this season.

Posted by: Max | November 27, 2006 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Megskin,

We have a possession receiver, and his name is James Thrash. He should be running those routes. All he does is make big plays when given the chance, but he doesn't get much of a chance.

Posted by: Max | November 27, 2006 9:17 AM | Report abuse

AMTTS you are not going to believe this!

So many of the things Carson did can't be quantified. Similarly, Monk led the NFL in all-time receptions when he retired, and he blocked superbly and he was the most important locker-room influence on a three-time Super Bowl champion. I'm voting for him.

Fat boy is going to vote for Monk.

Posted by: jm220 | November 27, 2006 9:17 AM | Report abuse

John, I was sitting in Herndon yesterday afraid that that you, like me, was getting excited and they were about to give it away.


JC talk-Let's just stop it. I don't play the 88 yards till the Cooley catch, because a throw is a throw. But let's not say the kid looks great b/c he didn't. He is certainly buying time for his throws, making good decisions and going across the middle a bit but great he aint.

I will say this, the kid doesn't ever look rattled or even like a rookie for that matter. Even after the game when Sellers was up in his face all fired up for him he looked completely unfazed. Icewater in the viens and a strong arm are a great start. But a great QB they don't make.

As for best since Theisman, well Rypiens SB year has to be the single greatest year for a Skins QB.

Carlos- Thanks for coming out. At this point you shouldn't feel bad about keeping 1/11th of your annual salary. See the line of scrimmage doesn't bite. Try getting within 10 yards of it before the snap next game too.

Goldsten- You may be my next jersey purchase, but don't sell out on the pass on 2nd and 5 or it opens up gaping holes.

(Note to Racquetball Partner, i guarantee you tried to get rid of that 6th round pick like 5 times. See what draft picks can do?)

Holdman, you stink, sorry it's not your fault but you do.

I had this nightmare last night that i was a redskin and I looked down at my number to read #57 then I saw a red and black blur coming at me with the #7 on it.

I lunged trying to grasp the blur only to get air. As my face mask hit the grass i turned to my right to see the name Vick heading towards the endzone with nary a Redskin in sight. I woke up screaming. If it happens this weekend I'll start screaming again.

Grilliams-less ego, more Rocky.

O-line, good job, perhaps all you needed was a bit of hope.

Posted by: Skinz | November 27, 2006 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Enough negativity! (To those of you who are making negative comments!) We won - and looked good doing it - against a good team. Let's enjoy it for 1 day (or week) at least. Who knows how long before it happens again?

Also, this is Campbell's second game - I thought he played exceptionally well....John Elway was benched in his first game and it took him a long time to get it together.

The guys calling the plays indicated that Springs (and sometimes Rogers) was covering Smith - and they made it sound like it was man coverage.

Posted by: Lisa | November 27, 2006 9:21 AM | Report abuse

I must say as a huge non believer in JC. I LIKE WHAT I'M SEEING. KEEP PROVING ME WRONG JC!

I heard on SportsNite that he actually called that play in the huddle not Al. Cause the headset was not working correctly? Any truth to this?

I thought the D played the best game all year. With that said, there is still PLENTY of room for improvement ALL around.

Al Saunders called one of the most conservative games I have ever watched. I dont think he let JC throw the ball more thne 10 yards more then 3 times. GIVE THE GUY A CHANCE. OPEN IT UP...

As far as the BLAW... I suggest this does not get lifted until we are .500. Lets be honest its a stretch. Lets not get our hopes up. We beat an under acheiving Carolina team.

Posted by: Go Skins Go | November 27, 2006 9:32 AM | Report abuse

I am with Lisa. Enough negative comments at least for one day. Be happy that the D played with heart. That Campbell showed progress in his second game.

Posted by: jm220 | November 27, 2006 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Come on, John From Herndon... what fun is it if you don't put your heart out there on the line for your team?!?!?

To make omelets, you gotta break some hearts...oh... wait...

Posted by: QFB | November 27, 2006 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Go Skins Go,

The story is true. Campbell heard the formation called and then his headset went dead....he said he just called one of the plays they worked on in practice. Also heard this morning that play has been worked on since OTAs but never attempted because Brunell did not want to throw over the middle.

As to the conservative play calling, I was fine with it...it gave Campbell a chance to get acclimated (and comfortable) against a strong defense.

Posted by: Lisa | November 27, 2006 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Lisa -- Thanks. That gives me a lot of confidence in JC. Which I did not have previously. That play did work earlier in the first quarter. To Cooley again on a 3rd down play.

I'll take ugly #'s and a W. Then great #'s and an L.

HAIL!!!

Posted by: Go Skins Go | November 27, 2006 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Yes, as a card-carrying member of the Snarky Cynical Redskins Fan Society, DC Chapter, yesterday wasn't a perfect game. But before we take to our morning dose of caffeine-fueled invective and railing, let it be said that it was a heartening game.

Our defense showed up. Our secondary looked mildly competent. The Fatboys and Middling Backers got in a rudimentary form of rush. Not a horrid game for them.

Our offense - yes, Moss was less 'Oye Como Va' and more Kate, but injuries will do that to you. Our receivers weren't getting open as we'd like to see.
But, we got to running the ball, especially with the Buckett. (Wish they put Sellers in a bit more, though.) The Offending Fatboys were keeping a relatively solid lid on things - maybe Pucillo actually IS an asset. And better yet, The Souper made sure the ball was going FORWARD, when the opportunity presented itself.

Superbowl run? Nuh-uh. Decently played game for the Stella trying to get her groove back? Much better.

Of course, then there's Nicked Blovak, but that's always a good ribbing on a bad bye week.

Posted by: FlimFlam | November 27, 2006 9:44 AM | Report abuse

We have a possession receiver, and his name is James Thrash. [...] he doesn't get much of a chance.

Ooops, you're right. He's not all that big but could definately do the job. He should be starting instead of Lloyd at this point.

Posted by: Megskin | November 27, 2006 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Sorry I've been gone for so long...(crickets chirp as I wait for someone to chime in that I was missed...)
The hollidays are dumb.org.

JM, I saw that stuff on Monk. I hope it happens. I really do.

Next thought: F*(&%*^$*)*( NOVAK!
Are you kidding me? how awful were the 37 yarder and the kickoffs? I just don't understand how a team that had playoff asperations before the year started could go into this shabingus with a terrible kicking situation.

'Yeah hon, the car is all packed. Kids are in there and we've got the tent...yup it's all set...No, I know the car doesn't have a windshield, we can just pick one up that another car discards along the way...'

Biggest thing to take away from this contest was the physical play of our O-line. They have been pooptastic many weeks but have been awesome against two filthy front 4s (J-ville and Carolina). Hard to figure.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | November 27, 2006 9:48 AM | Report abuse

A couple of encouraging points, if I may... We won this game because the YOUNG guys made plays!

Campbell - 1st down run, TD passes to ARE and Cooley, calling the right play when the headset went down

Taylor - Reaper-like presence all day over the middle, INT of Delhomme in the final minute (although, major props to the D-line for being in his face all day)

Rogers - Looks like Carlos got his heart back. I was very disappointed in some of his comments after the TB game and general lack of effort on the field. Someone got into his ear, but good! A completely different player this week.

Cooley - What can you say, this guy is a BALLER... Anytime he touches the ball something great can happen. And his enthusiasm, we can only hope, is contagious.

Betts - Kept banging away behind the O-line and Sellers... 24 rushes for 104... not a bad day's work.

This game just showed what is possible with these guys if given the chance... are we going to see Rocky next?

For all of this team's shortcomings, what I saw from the youngsters yesterday was very encouraging, as long as the coaches don't break their spirit.

Posted by: FromTheICU | November 27, 2006 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Jason, I will abide the new BLAW, but only b/c talking about it might otherwise disturb the jinxed NFC (and jinxed NFC wild card race). [Note to JaLaC: I was the disturbed, but enthusiastic Skins fan with the yellow hat and wire rimmed glasses trying to get your attention in the box just after the second kneel by Souper at the end ... I had wanted you to mention something, but I'll get to that.]

On the NFC jinx, there was a Cowboys fan sitting behind me yesterday (I never understood why this guy came to Redskins games only to heckle them when Dallas was playing somewhere else at the same time). He was genuinely impressed by some of the play AND he was rooting for the Skins. It occurs to me that he needs for teams like the Skins to spoil other NFC teams WC chances to falter ... and for the Skins to prevail over NYG (injured beyond belief) and Philly (McNabbless Shambles).

I read through the entire thread following Jason's post about inactive players to see what fans at home were thinking/feeling. I can tell you that, at the game, the mood was NOTHING like the thread yesterday.

For the coin toss, I got a nervous feeling when Jimoh was the ST captain. Jimoh who? Special teams play, esp. on field position, was SOLID. Yes, the first half was a punt fest, but in the pre-game, I could tell that the Panther's guy had no hang time and that Frost was booting for glory. To me anyway (and I don't think this was just the $6 Budweisers), we seemed to be moving the ball in our direction by btwn 2-6 yards for the battle of the three and outs.

Next, and maybe only b/c I noticed him after that first pick, Vernon Fox had a tremendous day in coverage. Like the talk about Jason, I think yesterday was a snapshot of the "future" in the secondary. Fox and Taylor, Fox and Marcus, Fox and Springs, all clicked. Fox might be one of those Grilliams-type players who can be raised in the scheme and step up his play. [Reminder: He led Detroit in special teams play last year. I know, Detroit. Still.]

Three reasons we shut down the Panthers' O in the first half. First, Foster-less running game stopped and stopped early. D'Angelo Williams was rendered worthless. Could not be relied on for two yards a carry. Second, maybe it was the Bud, but Steve Smith seemed double covered, and most times was BLASTED coming off the line of scrimmage (maybe it was a zone coverage, but the blaster - Springs - didn't seem like the main coverage guy). Between the corners, the only real passing opportunities were the dink/dunks to Keyshawn and Goings in the flat. Third, the Return of the Swagger! After stopping SO MANY third downs, the D-line was actually DANCING and taunting Carolina in the huddle. This created a feed back loop with the crowd. EVERY Panthers third down was a roar.

And THEN, on the Jumbo-tron (and this is the part I wanted you to mention Jason), the camera had a close up of a fan with a monkey puppet. The monkey was made to cheer, but as Delhomme stepped under center, the monkey went crazy. It was like this things was mast%*b#ting. The crowd was in a frenzy and result was that Delhomme inevitably had to try BBM-like arm audibles that seemed to say "pass off, Skins covering too much on pass, we're switching to run," and the run would get stuffed. The D-line was having fun and the crowd rewarded with a louder roar.

It was the first game in a while where the crowd actually seemed to make the home field advantage pay off. Why? I think b/c everyone is showing up to watch "the future" (everyone around me seemed to have resigned themselves to a losing season), plus it was a beautiful day to be outside.

Thoughts:

1. Any idea why the Reaper plays punt defense? I love the man (including his 60 yard pass to the stands after his game-ending goal line interception), but he is a penalty machine. The one thing that struck me as great was improvement in his pass coverage. [Instead of whiffing something and getting a penalty on the next play, he just didn't whiff.]

2. It SEEMED that Souper was losing his composure (but only a little) in that sometimes he got too into it. Some of those missed passes were overthrown. The receivers are going to need to adjust to the speed of Jason's passes. Lloyd was dropping them because he's gotten used to a season-full of Brunell lobs (as opposed to Campbell bullets). [Souper actually was picked twice, both for lots of yards, but one was called back. The price for throwing long.]

3. Blocking TE blues are over. Now that Yoder (who, I noticed, is fast) had demonstrated he has the hands to catch, we have documented dual threat at TE. Pucillo (back up center) was in for at least four plays as a blocking TE. The announcer says "Number 62 is eligible", the lady next to me asks "for what?" Kozlowski also had a catch. That was nice... but not as nice as Cooley over the middle (which as almost as nice as a having a QB willing to throw over the middle).

4. Penalties under control. Big difference in the league leaders this week.

5. Who was the star of the game? No one, really. That's why they won. Statistically, the Panthers won on first downs, total yards, passing yards, punt/kick return yards & return average, and time of possession. Even so, the Skins maintained the momentum game all day.

6. Random: Super Bowl curse? I'm thinking maybe Holmgrem was right about the officiating. Maybe the Seahawks really did win that last Super Bowl. What's happening to the Steelers?


Posted by: dcsween | November 27, 2006 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Skinz, thanks for your thoughts.

QFB, my heart has been broken numerous times, it just hurts, hurts so much...

Side Note: They need to bring in some competition for Novak. I know he is a local kid but he is too inconsistent. He is going to single handedly lose a game or even the season and break my heart...

Posted by: John From Herndon | November 27, 2006 10:00 AM | Report abuse

you've talked about the liklihood that Archuleta gets the boot after this season, what about the same with Lloyd? His cap number is lower I blieve and he's been just as bad.

Posted by: Jake | November 27, 2006 10:00 AM | Report abuse

All because we didn't have a lot of sacks does not mean there is no pass rush. Golston, Griffin, Carter, and Daniels all got back there in Delhomme's face and obviously affected some of his passes. Those are just as good as a sack.

As for Campbell, I am extremely impressed and excited about him and his development thus far. The way he rebounded after that pick was great. It is just nice to see our quarterback step up into the pocket, deliver the ball knowing he is going to take a hit. He has also had some issues with drops and he handles it very well. If he can continue to play like this the coaches and his teammates will gain even more confidence in him and we can start opening things up a bit more. He is definitely a reason to be excited.

Posted by: Bryan | November 27, 2006 10:11 AM | Report abuse

John From Herdon,

Yes, the 'Skins are like that abusive lover that you keep going back to because you long for the days when things were good and just when things look like they'll turn around.... SLAP!

Oh... I think I've said too much.

Posted by: QFB | November 27, 2006 10:13 AM | Report abuse

you've talked about the liklihood that Archuleta gets the boot after this season, what about the same with Lloyd? His cap number is lower I blieve and he's been just as bad.

Not quite. Part of the reason why Lloyd's been bad is because BenchedMark was stinking up the joint for much of the year. I'd give him a few more games with Chunky Souper before I discount him completely. Archubingas, on the other hand, has consistently made game-compromising mistakes on a regular basis - we can see where that path is going....

Posted by: FlimFlam | November 27, 2006 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Got to work on the 3 and outs. The field position from the start was too darn good. The Kid does look unflappable, and throwing over the middle was a no-no for #8 because of the likelihood of throwing a pick. Like a qb that can tuck it and move while at the same time looking down field instead of side to side.

JT should play ahead of BLloyd, but too much $ being paid to the rapper. With Thrash in, he's got a knack for getting open, and The Kid likes throwing to him. B should of caught that long go route last week.

4-5 fumbles and all recovered. I'm a half full guy, but that was a bit scary.

Rogers reaching out in front of Keeshawn in the end zone stopped a sure td. I'm givin' major props for that one.

Shawn, you shut #89 down, but you should have turned sooner for that ball. Great catch but you got size on that Smurf.

Archie has to be the rat because everyone else is getting playing time. Sellers took the blame for the missed blocking assignment, but the tape shows Archie looking for rain.

Nick, the inconsistency on fg's and the short kickoffs have kept you off the regular roster for most teams. I'm an '80 Terp bro, but you're killin' me.

Late.

Posted by: Coolio | November 27, 2006 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers and Sean Taylor played like we knew they were capable of. Hopefully they can consistently play at that level. You could definitely see a different Taylor out there yesterday which leads me to believe there has been someone tinkering with over the course of the season that led to his inconsistencies. Fox played solid and perhaps that helped Taylor a bit since he is used to covering the entire defensive backfield by himself. Anyhow, it was a standout performance by a fired up defense that I hope can continue. By the way, I know the guy takes a lot of heat but Holdman made some good plays yesterday. Also Andre Carter stepped up and made some plays that don't stand out on the stat sheet but made a big impact on the game. He is improving against the run and seem to be all over the place yesterday.

Posted by: Bryan | November 27, 2006 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Jansen gets a game ball huh?

I'd hope that would go to Carlos. Jansen played solid, thankfully, as both trenches were held if not won across the board. But Carlos...finally played a Champ Bailey game. When Champ left I was VERY distraught, excited to get CP, but nervous losing the best CB in the biz. Between Carlos and Shawn, we all hoped he'd be replaced. No way. Carlos got BURNT last week and really came back with heart this week. IF (I hate if's, especially at 4-7) he plays that way consistently, with Reaper support, it's a different D.

How about that D-Line too? AC with quickness. My favorite stat of the game was the commentators mentioning Julius is down to 260 lbs. Thought this was complete irony considering AC has been called undersized all season. Bottom line - no excuse to not have a legitimate shot at 3 wins. Eagles = DONE. Giants = DONE. Falcons = DONE. JC finishes the season 4 & 3 ready for next year.

or we can roll over and go for a lottery pick. I'm good either way.

Oh, AND HOLD ON TO THE FRIGGIN PIGSKIN!!! No wonder they were happy bout the win. 5 lost balls? Is that right? If Jack Bauer can survive a Chinese prison, you can hold on to the football.

PG

Posted by: Pub Golf | November 27, 2006 10:21 AM | Report abuse

One other point. Should have never come down to one more possession for the Panthers. Need another first down, or run as much clock keeping the ball in play. A couple stupid penalties and we're third and 17, and throw an incompletion to stop the clock. Not to whine, but better clock mgt should be on Santa's wish list.

Posted by: Coolio | November 27, 2006 10:26 AM | Report abuse

If Jack Bauer can survive a Chinese prison, you can hold on to the football.

PG LMAO! Bra I am counting down the days for season 5 to come out on dvd and season 6 to start.

Posted by: jm220 | November 27, 2006 10:28 AM | Report abuse

really enjoyed seeing folks back to doing their thing yesterday. The Cooley touchdown is one of the better moments this year and may serve as a detterent to folks going too nuts on blitzes.

I agree w/ JLaC's BLAW on playoff talk - think Jim Mora . . .

Hate to say this, but cowboys might be best team in the division - at least we beat them. That alone makes this year worthwhile!

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | November 27, 2006 10:31 AM | Report abuse

All Jason Campbell haters should be blogbanished! The kid is gutsy, strong, calm and a good teammate. Did you see the way he propped up Cooley after his drop? And look how that worked out!

Speaking of Cooley, he is our only Pro Bowler and if he doesnt go its a crime.

Positive signs from yesterday are Rodgers play, the D-Line finally pressured a QB, and is it me or did Andre Carter play his best game he seemed to be around then action, JC's redzone ability is a big plus going forward and Betts was a beast.

This season has sucked, but at least yesterday we got to bring another preseason favorite down into our level of blown expectation misery...

Posted by: Chris Larry | November 27, 2006 10:34 AM | Report abuse

New Skkins Slogan:

What Would Jason Campbel Do:

WWJCD?

Lets get some bumper stickers and tshirts printed!

Posted by: Chris Larry | November 27, 2006 10:38 AM | Report abuse

A very heartening game. Y'all had me howling with the great blogging, it's nice to start the week on a high(er) note. Who needs Howard Cosell with you guys...

Posted by: ILikeSonny | November 27, 2006 10:50 AM | Report abuse

The win on Sunday showed that the Redskins can put together mostly one game's worth of physical, passionate play. However, they remain a team in almost total disarray. Evidence? If a 4-7 record is not enough, then check out this article by Tom Friend of ESPN: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=2672668

This article was the talk of Comcast's Postgame Live show after the game. It is absoultely devastating in its critique of the team's coaching staff and front office structure.

I love the Redskins, and have for more than twenty years. I thought that Gibbs returning would finally set right the chaos that started right after Gibbs' first tenure ended in 1993. This article shows that the Gibbs II record of 20 wins and 23 losses over 2 1/2 seasons is no fluke. This team's very structure, its foundation, is rotten to the core.

And it goes to show how success in football is not due to one person like Gibbs.

Hail to the Redskins, whatever that really means means anymore. Hey, I'll go down with the ship!

Posted by: Rennypolis | November 27, 2006 10:54 AM | Report abuse

"We can chalk this one up to Archibingus because I have a feeling he leaked the information about the defense and Greg Williams. "

I don't think it was Archuleta. One of the quotea talked about what "we" did last year. However, in the "Gregg Williams, I don't understand. They're so arrogant around here, they think they can stop the run in Cover 2. When it's an obvious running down, he calls Cover 2. " quote, he says "THEY'RE" so arrogant--like something an outsider or newcomer would say and AA is a supposed runstopper, who would have an issue with the way a coverage is called to stop the run.

Comments on Campbell: obviously a better arm than Brunell, but he had Brunell numbers before CC's long catch and run (52 total freakin' yards); they raved about how little brother Manning was unflappable and now it's being said he has no passion, doesn't care, and can't inspire the team.


Posted by: Green Baby G. | November 27, 2006 10:56 AM | Report abuse

. However, they remain a team in almost total disarray. Evidence? If a 4-7 record is not enough, then check out this article by Tom Friend of ESPN:

We have already beaten the discussion on that article into a bloody pulp. Next time try catching the early boat.

Posted by: Megskin | November 27, 2006 10:58 AM | Report abuse

However, they remain a team in almost total disarray. Evidence? If a 4-7 record is not enough, then check out this article by Tom Friend of ESPN:

"We have already beaten the discussion on that article into a bloody pulp. Next time try catching the early boat."
-Megskin

Not ALL people are attached to this blog 24/7. Cut the guy some slack, geez.

What about the fact that the Redskins had excellent starting field position all day and did NOTHING with it? Has that discussion been beating into a bloody pulp too?

Posted by: Chief Clancy Wiggum | November 27, 2006 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Fact: Jack Bauer once ate a terrorist and pooped a fully functional and integrated PDA.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | November 27, 2006 11:03 AM | Report abuse

JM,

Santa's wish list:

1. D lineman
2. The Wire - Seasons 1 & 2
3. Jack Bauer paying McNabb a hospital visit after finding out he's involved in kidnapping plot. "(JB deadly quiet voice) Where is the president? (JB LOUD VOICE) WHERE IS THE PRESIDENT???!!?"
4. D Snyder gets "Scrooged" and donates his crib to "any needing place to crash after New Years in Bethesda"
5. ArchKarai blocks F gap on punt coverage
6. "The Cheerleader" gets lost in my hood on Christmas Eve, knox on my door wearing nothing bu...oh, wrong blog.
7. Sony calls my house and requests a test-subject to find out exactly how good someone can become at video games when motivated by money but distracted by random beautiful college girls sitting next to you.
8. My metabolism calls to let me know that no matter how much I drink or eat, I'll drop to and mainain a svelt 195 4 eva.
9. Scarlett Johanson meets me and wants to make my children. She fights the cheerleader and loses. We move to Utah and become polygamists.
10. TomKat and Snyder, while rock climbing in Nepal, encounter the mighty Yeti and are eaten whole.

That should do it. Thx Santa!

PG

Posted by: Pub Golf | November 27, 2006 11:04 AM | Report abuse

JLC,

I appreciate your blog and columns each week, and know you're man enough to own up to your own infelicities, so ...

In the interest of fairness, do you still think Vernon Fox is a dog and Archuleta has been treated all that unfairly? Fox played pretty well--better than Archuleta has all year, and Archuleta let a lineman (!) run straight to the punter on his one and only duty!

Posted by: Joe | November 27, 2006 11:04 AM | Report abuse

took some time off the blog. good to be back. You guys are great but I don't think I'm going to go through and read every comment like before. Too time consuming and it started to not be fun. Jason, you're still my inside scoop guy though. I'll put on the proverbial fisticuffs for you anyday. Thought: good point on not being emotionally invested in the game. I was in Minnesota visiting family and guess what was on Sunday afternoon instead of my beloved Redskins? Vikings-Cardinals. Sure, Den Green was back in the twin cities, but besides that... the game was torture. UFTA! as they say in northern MN.

Thanks for saying how lowsy a game it was. I was about to ask if there was some way I could watch it, but I think I'll just take the W and look forward to Redskins-Falcons.

Any Dukes fans out there? Tough loss Saturday night. Youngstown State embarrassed our pass defense. #20 looked a lot like Carlos Rogers out there against that Peterson cat. Good grief. Oh and what is with the whole "sub-division championship" shabingus? Is there no longer D-1 AA? Is the NCAA getting a hint that a playoff is the way to go? JMU got screwed with their bracket placement and even more screwed they got the #4 seed in the 1st round, but they lost and thats the beauty of a playoff. No sour grapes. They straight up lost. Sucks to be you Florida/Michigan. There's always March Madness.

The Dorf abides

Posted by: Dorf | November 27, 2006 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Not ALL people are attached to this blog 24/7. Cut the guy some slack, geez.

No.

Posted by: Megskin | November 27, 2006 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Jason La Canfora: Your write up of the game was the best write-up I have read from anyone at the Post in a long time.

Posted by: The Governor | November 27, 2006 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I liked Sean Springs' response whether he was the source in the article. he said somethihg like this:

"they treat me well hear. i get paid lots of money and practice twice a week. 't hell i'm going to screw it up"

Posted by: thor | November 27, 2006 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Green Baby G

I said from day one that LBM was more hot air than anything.

Do you really thing Brunell would have made that pass? And there were some drop passes in that game as well. It's his second game take a deep breath.

Posted by: jm220 | November 27, 2006 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Hi,

Where is all the talk of the Tom Friend article in earlier posts, as Megskin said? I clearly missed it (sorry for the repitition), but I do not see any J La C blog postings about the article. Are discussions of it buried in comment sections somewhere? Its a major piece, and deserves more than just being kicked around in the comment section of a blog - it deserves its own posting here. Considering J La C posts so many other articles (see "Skins Flunk Economics" from earlier this week) and even reader's comments, why no posting on this?


Posted by: Rennypolis | November 27, 2006 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Nice win for the Redskins. The young guys played well, as did the vets like Griffin, Spring, Sellers, and Jansen. The defense finally played like we thought they would from the get-go.

This is a strange team. Seems like they need outside forces, specifically very negative articles in national publications, before they decide to perform. One should hope that wouldn't be necessary to motivate pro athletes. Let's just hope Gibbs remembers where he keeps the whip.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 27, 2006 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Where is all the talk of the Tom Friend article in earlier posts

All three threads before this one.

Posted by: Megskin | November 27, 2006 11:17 AM | Report abuse

P Diddy got me thinking last night...
here's the cool aid you need to be drinkin' if you want to believe this season will amount to more then a set of middle of the pack draft picks . . .

Cowboys beat ATL, NYG and PHL
Jint's also lose to NO and Wash (8 losses)
iggles also lose to Wash and CAR (8 loses)
CAR loses to ATL and NO (7 loses)
MIN loses to CHI and the Jets (8 loses)
SF loses to NO, SEA and Denver (9 loses)
ATL also loses to Wash (8 loses)
STL loses to Wash and CHI (8 loses)
GB loses to SEA tonight and CHI (8 loses)

and of course, the most difficult "IF", the skins win out . . .

talk about mediocrity, the more I look at this the more I start thinking that an NFC team may make it in w/ a losing record. GASP!

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | November 27, 2006 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Isn't it obvious now that Peter King had a deal where he'd only vote for Monk after his guy, Carson, got in? Whatever, doesn't matter why. Just do the right thing, King, and vote for Monk.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 27, 2006 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Nick may have to go at the end of the season?

Are you kidding me. Just because the dude went to UMD he is getting a major pass. He is a 50% accurate kicker with a weak leg, bottom of the leauge in kickoffs and has a realistic shot of missing every 35 yarder he lines up for.

CUT HIM NOW!!!

Relative to the others at their position Brunell, Carter, Holdman, and Archuletta are pro-bolwers compared to Nick.

Go root for the Terps in Saturdays!

Posted by: Sec 126 | November 27, 2006 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Another solid game for Jason Campbell. Numbers weren't pretty but he did enough to win the game. If that isn't enough for some of you that want to get picky and criticize then go jump on another team's bandwagon. It's called patience. The kid's learning now as he has played his only second meaningful game. To recognize the position he was in and do what he did yesterday on that pass to Cooley is a startling (in a good way) sign of how mature he already seems to be. If he continues that and gets familiar with the receiving corps. each week..it will be pretty.

As for ESPN article...it's come and gone now. Honestly whoever the player was they'll deal with the matter internally. It's ashame to hear the dissension that seems to be taking place. Although Sunday none of that was evident. Nice to see the return of the D..let's hope they make it consistent.

Let's hope they can turn this around and make a nice run to finish the year. Some of you have said with sarcasm and some with actual hope that the playoffs may still be a chance. Mathematically...yes. Realistically: HOW ABOUT INSERTING JIM MORA'S FAMOUS REFERENCE TO THE PLAYOFFS DURING HIS PRESS CONFERENCE HERE!!!! :)

It would be nice to see the team have a chance and with as whacked out as the NFC is again this year who knows.

All that matters is this the Falcons come to town next week. Mr. Flick the hometown fans off is the QB. The defense better be ready to bring it again. To all the Skins fans that were at the game yesterday that post on here....AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME. Way to make that stadium rock as usual. You'll be needed again next week. Keep it up for a Skins fan here in sunny Florida. :)

Hail

Posted by: Jonathan | November 27, 2006 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Gotta love the first post (not enough guts to mention thier name).

At this point, I don't care about the completion %. All I care about is wins and losses. Soups won yesterday and looked pretty good doing it. Besides, give the kid a break, he is only in his second season and does not have two of his best offensive weapons healthy (Moss and Portis)! He will get much better.

Posted by: BT | November 27, 2006 11:31 AM | Report abuse

OK,OK

Isn't it awesome how the pen (versus the sword) can set off so many emotions resulting in change?

Case in point: The Friend article and JLaC's blog entry on Danny and Negotiations.

Awesome! Where's my pen? Maybe I'll write a rant later today if i can get an AMEN.

*hugs*
:)

Posted by: SallieMae | November 27, 2006 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Another thing about the Skins running game ... they pounded rather relentlessly on the Julius Peppers' side of the line. I'm thinking maybe it was to keep the returning injured stud vet tired. They couldn't get much off the other side of the line. Seems like a good idea with the benefit of hindsight.

Posted by: dcsween | November 27, 2006 11:32 AM | Report abuse

While I am in a rnat about the QB position. I am so sick of that Dope (aka Boofer, aka Resdskins Suck) comparing the success of Romo to Campbell. Romo has been in the league for 4 years and Campbell only 2. Also, Romo has seen the field during the past four years and, at times did not look so good. It is rediculus to think that a QB will not go through growing pains and Campbell will turn out to be just as good (if not better) than Romo.

Posted by: BT | November 27, 2006 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Jason, any reaction at Redskins' part to Peter King's decision to now support Art Monk's HoF bid? How big of a hand does Gibbs have in this? And does he hope to have a legacy of putting a lot of his first run people into the hall by coming back (perhaps Grimm, Green and Jacoby next?)

Posted by: Icarus | November 27, 2006 11:37 AM | Report abuse

"for some of you that want to get picky and criticize then go jump on another team's bandwagon"

I'll speak for all us who are "critizing". It's called managed expectations. If you don't when you are a fan of the redskins then you end up like John From Herndon with a bad ticker and emotionally shattered.

The guy threw for like 140 yards and some people are acting like he's the second coming of of Joe Montana.

For all you people who tell others to go root for another team because we critisize; just stop the nonsense, drink your kool-aid and get your boo-hoo boxes ready.

Posted by: Skinz | November 27, 2006 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I have to agree with Sec 126. There is no way Novak should continue to be the kicker for the Redskins. He seems to be a good guy, but he just isn't that accruate and does not have that strong of a kick. One of two can keep you around, but neither gets you cut.

Posted by: BT | November 27, 2006 11:40 AM | Report abuse

DO IT NOW CLOE!!!!

Posted by: Jack Bauer | November 27, 2006 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Not ALL people are attached to this blog 24/7. Cut the guy some slack, geez.

"No."

Being as how you're on such a high horse, how's the air up there (and no this isn't a reference to the classic Kevin Bacon hit movie)? Cleaner? Easier to breathe? Less smog?

Posted by: Chief Clancy Wiggum | November 27, 2006 11:41 AM | Report abuse

BT
im not sure what looked so good about Campbell? was it the int? was it the overthrown passes?or was it he had 52 yds passing until Coooley broke a 10 yd throw into 62 yd TD?You cant say he didnt have time!The oline played great.

Posted by: superbowl wannabees | November 27, 2006 11:42 AM | Report abuse

It was good to see the Skins win but what's up with Novack. Hopefully all of these misses are something that can be corrected and not some mental issue that a lot of kickers seem to have.

Posted by: Your Momma | November 27, 2006 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Hey, did anyone read that Tom Friend article?

Kidding, kidding...

Curious, though, that Jason hasn't mentioned it on the blog, nor was there any mention of it in the WashPo.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 27, 2006 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Someday, I hope the team and the region will do something nice for Joe Gibbs as a tribute. But at the end of this season, St. Joe and anyone else associated with this 1970s version of a 1980s offense should be sent to a nice peaceful place where they can impress the other residents by displaying their 14-year-old Super Bowl rings. The Skins finally have a QB who has muscle as well as agility--a sports car trade-up after years of slogging through traffic in the family vistacruiser. Unfortunately, we still have a travel planner whose idea of excitement means driving us down to Stuckey's for a pecan log. And by the way, no one--repeat, no one in a Redskins uniform--on either side of the ball--should be doing anything like celebrating, chest thumping, sky pointing, ball spinning or other exhaltation after accomplishing what they should have been doing on a much more regular basis all season. You want to celebrate a sack or pick or TD? Do it in the Superbowl where we can all enjoy it together. Otherwise, you're guys at a party with lampshades on your heads.

Posted by: Sameoldsameold | November 27, 2006 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Skinz most time I am in agreement with you. However, on this one I am not.

The guy threw for like 140 yards and some people are acting like he's the second coming of of Joe Montana.

I do not recall anyone saying that Campbell was Montana. All we are saying that he looks good with just two games under his belt. (at least that is my point of view) He looks much better than Brunell and showed improvement. At this point (once again second game) that is all you can ask for.

Posted by: jm220 | November 27, 2006 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Coooley broke a 10 yd throw into 62 yd TD?

superbowl wannabees

U should go back and take a look again. It was not a 10 yd pass

Posted by: jm220 | November 27, 2006 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Was at the game in row 1 Dream Seats right behind the O-Line's bleacher section of the Redskins' bench (parents won the tix in a charity auction). After the Reaper's interception, I think the camera followed him out of bounds and after he threw the ball into the stands he gave me a big high-five. Did the camera catch it?

Another heart-attack win at home. Campbell is the man. A few drops kept his numbers low. The ball was squirting out of our hands all day...it was crazy.

Posted by: #50 Ravin Caldwell fan | November 27, 2006 11:53 AM | Report abuse

BT Your a true skiny fan clown!!
I dont have to compare ROMO to NOODLE SOUP,the play on the field speaks for itself!!!!But I will correct your clown butt and tell you that you havent seen ROMO play poorly in the past 4 yrs because he has not been on the field until halftime against GMEN! And ROMO was a undrafted FA. SOUP was a 2 1st & 3rd rd pick from a big time college!!(3 high draft picks)ROMO is leading QB in the league!!BTW nice win and thanks for giving Panthers another loss!!

Posted by: Redskins Suck | November 27, 2006 11:55 AM | Report abuse

There are two things we know so far about Jason Campbell:

1. He can play better than Congressman-elect Shuler (our last first round pick QB) ever could
2. He is the best QB on the roster right now

There are further things we know about the NFL:

1. Do you want Cleveland's QB situation?
2. Detroit's?
3. Philadelphia's?
4. Miami's?

Etc.

What we have with Campbell is hope. Hope that this ludicrous revolving door at the single most important position on the team is at an end. Hope for some consistency under center.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 27, 2006 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Skinz:
With all due respect. I'm not a fan of Kool-Aid like I use to be LOL nor do I need a boo-hoo box.

As a journalist I know about managed expectations. Sure it wasn't a pretty game but I see where you're coming from for anyone who is making him out to be the second coming of Montana. But some of the criticism of him..please..c'mon he's played a grand total of TWO games. TWO!!!!! My point is if people are going to criticize and have nothing good to say along with the criticism then go root for a team where they don't have to wait for a QB to develop because they already have someone solid and playing well in the league.

As you said..it's called managed expecations. I also call for patience too. It's one thing to criticize now. Get back to me at the end of this year or next year at this time and if the kid hasn't shown any sigs of further maturation then by all means criticize. The kids's played two games. Patience.

Hail.

Posted by: Jonathan | November 27, 2006 11:55 AM | Report abuse

>>> "driving us down to Stuckey's for a pecan log"

Love that line.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 27, 2006 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Hail to the Redskins!

Now that I got that out of the way. The Tom Friend Article gave some revealing tidbits and might get some coahes let go, but that's it. It is at the same exact level as the Nunyo story about L.C. (which got him to get his ticket out of town). All it tells me is that the Redskins are like my company, a bunch of infighting happens and sometimes people pout (and quit a lot).........

Posted by: 4th Floor | November 27, 2006 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Being as how you're on such a high horse, how's the air up there? [...]Cleaner? Easier to breathe? Less smog?

Just fine thank you. Though, with a toddler in the room it smells like something reminiscent of smeared sewage with a clumps of rotting green hamburger meat has been shot into a leaky diaper. If you're so concerned feel free to come on over, stick your face in it and snuffle it right up, I'm sure you'll enjoy the taste.

Posted by: Megskin | November 27, 2006 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Redskins Suck:
If I was in the league 4 years and hadn't played yet you'd think a guy would be able to come off and play pretty solid. Props to Romo for the job he's doing no doubt. But don't go comparing him to Campbell. THERE IS NO COMPARISON. Now if Campbell came in at the same time as Romo and sat around for 4 years and just took over this year..that's a fair comparison.

Get a clue. Go find someone else's message board to post your ramblings on. Or try to think long and hard in that brain of yours to come up with a post that actually has a real point.

Posted by: Jonathan | November 27, 2006 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Campbell looks really good.

And yes he's the best we've had here in a long, long, time. Gives me something to look foward too on Sundays now.

I just hope now that the "Friend" article and what you wrote about Clark helps straighten out the organization. Even if they don't admit it, there's still issues at Redskin Park. Crazy thing is we've talked about most of that article on here.

Maybe by next year they will have it figured out. Maybe we'll have the "old" Joe Gibbs back. :)

I hope you had a good Thanksgiving Jason!

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | November 27, 2006 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Megskin - get over yourself.

Posted by: Bill O'Reilly | November 27, 2006 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I love what the kid has done so far. I also recognize he's been without his #1 reciever. I thought Boz's piece was spot on, basically saying at this point i have alot more faith that he'll do the right thing than some 8 year vets.

If I had to grade the kid right now it'd be and Incomplete. I just haven't seen enough and less than 300 yards in 2 games is hardly stellar. Now I'm willing to say that they are taking it slow and it's playcalling fine.

What we haven't seen is when they fall behind and he is forced to throw against nickel and dime packages. That is when any QB earns his paycheck.

Finally, and perhaps this is built up from many posts throughout the season but I hate when someone has something negative to say while being constructive and people tell them to switch teams.

At this point if you are on this blog and you aren't Boof/Redskins Suck you are probably a huge fan because you don't come here for the bragging rights.

Posted by: Skinz | November 27, 2006 12:07 PM | Report abuse

One more thing Jason.....

DON'T YOU DARE MENTION PLAYOFFS!!!

One week at a time man. I know the NFC is bad but I do not see 9-7 or 8-8 making it in.

However I think the Skins are lucky for catching Atlanta after some turmoil of thier own.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | November 27, 2006 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Why Breaux and Buges and no Big Al after the game? How is the offensive side run, exactly? Shouldn't those three be hanging out together?

Posted by: worstSeat | November 27, 2006 12:09 PM | Report abuse

keep in mind that next week opposing teams will have more tape on JC. yes he's progressing but other teams are learning him too.

remember ramsey? he started 2-0 untill they got him all figured out.

Posted by: thor | November 27, 2006 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Man, folks need to lighten up... Lay off the folks who aren't plugged into the blog every minute of the day!

J.C. has looked good. Don't forget how many dropped passes the guy has had to deal with (this is amplified by the underachieving receiving corp). He would have had a 70-80yrd touchdown on his first NFL throw if Lloyd wasn't doing the offensive version of Arch-Deluxe... He's managed the game without the team's best running back, it's best wide receiver not there or barely there, and his only INT was a 50+ yrd punt. Reality check folks, Campbell's got game.

To Boofer/Redskins Suck: imagine how great Romo's season if he didn't have Terry Glenn and TO and Julius Jones healthy... I'm not saying Campbell is Joe Montana, just saying be realistic.

Art Monk needs to be in the HoF, all I have to say on that subject...

Wait on playoff talk until/if/when the Skins reach .500!!!

Posted by: Gregarious | November 27, 2006 12:20 PM | Report abuse

1. He can play better than Congressman-elect Shuler (our last first round pick QB) ever could

All true. Almost. Ramsey was also a first-rounder (30th or 32nd overall, I can't remember). Campbell also appears to be better than Ramsey.

Not a criticism, just a question: anybody else notice Campbell's weird squat behind center? When he settles in, he seems to fold up his left leg in what looks like a very uncomfortable way. I guess this is a function of Jason being SOOO TALL. Anyway, his poise is obvious, and no way Brunell makes that read, finding ARE in traffic in the end zone, most probably because by that point he would either have thrown the ball away or have been lying on the ground underneath Peppers or Rucker.

Posted by: RMilot | November 27, 2006 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I know I'm about 20 hours late on this, but doggone it, I was delighted to see our boys wearing their proper uniforms: white jerseys with BURGUNDY PANTS.

Let this signal the end of the white-on-white unis, please. Raise your hand if you disagree, and we'll have a customer service representative with you momentarily to slap the back of your head.

And what was even better, of course, was watching the team live up to those beautiful uniforms and all the glory the represent to our weary eyes. Not that this was a perfectly played game. Far from it. But from my perspective atop a Portland barstool, I was so proud I almost shed a tear. Soupy, Cooley, O-line, Bettsy, Springs, Taylor, even whipping boy Carlos, had huge games. Randy and big Mike crushing people around left end for a big power run, wow wow wow. Good stuff!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | November 27, 2006 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I noticed how low he squats. It's pretty funny it looks like he could just fall backwards at any time.

That big wind-up needs to go too. That's going to lead to alot of swatted balls and strips. That can wait until the off-season however.

Posted by: Skinz | November 27, 2006 12:25 PM | Report abuse

jonathan, the league is full of backups who have sat for more then 4 yrs and SUCK! ROMO is a special QB and his play on the field cant be denied!!And he didnt cost 2 1st rd picks and 3rd!!that could have been 3 very good players for you guys!BTW you wouldnt know what a good point looked like you CLOWN!!!

Posted by: Redskins Suck | November 27, 2006 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Mego. Gots to get me a poopy sammy on Wonder bread. Yum.

Mike Sellers: run blocking D-9 and clear out a my way runner. Wears dudes down. Love that dude. Sean is the G Reaper, but Sellers is THE PUNISHER.

Oh, has anyone talked about Friend's piece. Ugh.

Posted by: Coolio | November 27, 2006 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Suck, dude, get a grip... he's played well so far through really good circumstances... You sound ready to annoint Romo as the second coming, and he's not even had to deal with losing any of his supporting cast. Wait until he's won in the playoffs to talk about how special he is. BBM still hasn't even won a SB yet!

Posted by: Gregarious | November 27, 2006 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Suck,

Romo has looked good, but he's only played 5 games. He didn't cost you any draft picks and that is incredible if you can get a good qb for no draft picks.

All that said.....it's got nothing to do with JC. Does it? Nope didn't think so, bub-bye now.

Posted by: Skinz | November 27, 2006 12:37 PM | Report abuse

There's been a drastically under-reported aspect to Sunday's W:

The Red Pants

Let's retire the Whites for now.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | November 27, 2006 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Boofer you loser. For all the talk about Romo (and he looks good so far) he did lose to our team. He was on the bench for 4 years under one system. Campbell been in the league for 1 1/2 under two system. Please think (I know it almost impossible for you) 5 times before you speak.

Posted by: jm220 | November 27, 2006 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Suck,
Oooooo I'm a clown. Yay I guess I should feel hurt. Yea the method to acquire Campbell was not the smartest way. The front office braintrust leaves a lot to be desired. That could've been three good players. I still don't see what your point is. Campbell is here now. You can't change what it cost to get him. So now the guy's going to get his chance.

Sure there are several back ups that have been in here far longer and have not been as good as Romo has been. In case you didn't read the earlier post close enough..I gave him credit. It's funny you have no problem calling everyone on here clowns but it's how you come across on here that makes you more than just a clown. You crack me up.

Posted by: Jonathan | November 27, 2006 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I not that smart. I not understand much, i just have big mouth.

Posted by: Redskins Suck | November 27, 2006 12:48 PM | Report abuse

jm220, I can always count on the KING skiny CLOWN fan to say somthing STUPID!!he did not lose to your team !! it was him who drove his team in 30 seconds to 17 yd line!!He will go to pro bowl! this team is geling and it looks SCARY!!WONT need help to get 6th seed(last wild card)like your CLOWN team last yr!!

Posted by: Redskins Suck | November 27, 2006 12:52 PM | Report abuse

>>> "Ramsey was also a first-rounder "

Mea culpa. I totally forgot about Patrick. Really nice guy, a choir boy, really. Sadly, not so good a QB.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 27, 2006 12:53 PM | Report abuse

>>> "The Red Pants"

NO KIDDING.

BTW, I'm in Seattle for Monday Night Football and there seem to be lots of little Packers fans roaming about.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 27, 2006 12:55 PM | Report abuse

jm220, why are you always here when the copy cat bloger shows up(is it a coincidence)?you could get in trouble with JASON for bloging in someone elses blog name!!

Posted by: Redskins Suck | November 27, 2006 12:57 PM | Report abuse

!he did not lose to your team !! it was him who drove his team in 30 seconds to 17 yd line!!

Like I said Boofer think 5 times before you speak. Was he the starting QB for the game? Did your team lose? Answer to all is yes and you even state in your post that he was playing QB.

Posted by: jm220 | November 27, 2006 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Just had an awesome conversation with a Packers fan. I welcomed them to Seattle and then gave them a crash course on how to order at Starbucks. If you want to fit in like a local around here, you need to try and check off every box.

For example:

Decaf Venti Soy Extra Hot Raspberry Mocha with no Whipped Cream

Just as an example. Not that I would ever drink that. I like the Almond flavor.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 27, 2006 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Skinz said What we haven't seen is when they fall behind and he is forced to throw against nickel and dime packages. That is when any QB earns his paycheck.

OK,OK

and how will he run a 2-minute offense with the game on the line?

ICEMAN - that is what JC seams ... ice under pressure - the ICEMAN! No doubt ICE will continue to mature, the game will slow down even more, and a string of 300+ yard games will follow.

*hugs*

Posted by: SallieMae | November 27, 2006 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Rennypolis - thanks for the link to the Friend story - didn't see the blog comments on it over the holidays. It pretty much confirms a lot of what's been said (repeatedly) about Double G's arrogance on this blog for weeks/months. The question is whether the D will respond (yesterday's game may be an indication that they will) or has he lost them and will Gibbs do something about it this offseason. The info about the corners and safeties having separate meetings is most troubling and telling about having too many chiefs.

On a positive note it was nice to see JC get his first victory - wasn't pretty but so what.

Posted by: skinswest | November 27, 2006 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Couple of Comments.

Carlos Rogers - finally had a decent football game... after 2 years.

Brandon Lloyd - While not impressive actually was wide open on a crossing route near the end zone and Campbell totally overthrew him in the first half.

Jason Campbell - Loved his composure however did not play a fabulous game. Missed some throws but made some as well.

Kedric Golston - Love this kid. Got consistent pressure and was solid against the run. Possibly a decent late round draft pick by the organization.

Rocky McIntosh - What's it going to take to start this kid?

Hopefully the defense keeps it going next week.

Posted by: C-A-P-S | November 27, 2006 1:10 PM | Report abuse

1 tccl - for me disappearing from teh blog...but this has been way too depressing for me!!!

4 tccls - for the Defense yesterday...where has that been all season?

4 tccls - to grilliams for his masterful defensive strategy yesterday...not attacking the QB finally paid off...but thats b/c Delohme is a QB that thrives with blitzing and quick decisions...annoucers were saying the skins plan was not to blitz, give him just enough time to think and hessitate and get some delayed pressure from the front four as thats where he struggles...worked great yesterday! but hopefully they change their strategy to the team and qb at hand and EXECUTE again...different approach for Vick for sure...

5 tccls and my game ball - to carlos rodgers...will the real CR please stand up!!! hopefully more to come...still wish the guy could hit!!!

5 tccls - to JC...keep it going and keep developing...sure looks like the QB of the future...

5 tccls - to the offensive line...yet again another where the heck has that been all year comment???

5 tccls - to the burgundy pants...it must be the pants!!!

5 tccls - to another end of season run!!!

5 tccls - to those that still BELIEVE!!!


1 tccl - for me if i broke any BLAWs!!!

Posted by: deadskin | November 27, 2006 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I love Tony Romo. Hard-working dude who earned his starting spot. It would be great if the 'Skins/Cowboys rivalry were back in full force, with serious games and great coaching. In the NFL, success starts under center, so if the Cowboys and 'Skins can be patient and develop these two young guys, that'll only mean great games down the line for all of us. Which means fewer of these damn snoozers like yesterday.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 27, 2006 1:10 PM | Report abuse

jm220,you cotinue to show your ignorance to football!we are discussing the peformance of his play you CLOWN.AND JUST BECAUSE YOU GET A FLUKE WIN THAT NO ONE IN NFL GIVES YOUR TEAM CREDIT FOR,doesnt meen he didnt play GREAT!!BTW noodle soup has a terrible release,that wind up will give defenders more chance to knock them down!!

Posted by: Redskins Suck | November 27, 2006 1:12 PM | Report abuse

That big wind-up needs to go too. That's going to lead to alot of swatted balls and strips. That can wait until the off-season however.

OK,OK

Skinz - we are thinking alike today. My thoughts exactly but you said it quicker than lil'ol me. I should play hooky from work sooner ...

Yep, the 9 step drop (Is that an Al Saunders-thingy or JC's) and the pitcher wind-up is going to get more than a few blocked throws and the split-second in time for the D-back to make a break for the ball.

*hugs*

Posted by: Anonymous | November 27, 2006 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I never thought i'd be saying this but:

From your lips to gods ears Salliemae.

Posted by: Skinz | November 27, 2006 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I am a moron. I guess I have been out in the heat too long...Sorry(hehehehehe)

Posted by: Redskins Suck | November 27, 2006 1:16 PM | Report abuse

FLUKE WIN THAT NO ONE IN NFL GIVES YOUR TEAM CREDIT FOR

Oh really Boofer. So it didn't go under your team lost column. Once again think before you speak.

Posted by: jm220 | November 27, 2006 1:17 PM | Report abuse

OK,OK

Oops and forgot to sign off on the last post ... how did you know it li'ol me and not some poser?

*hugs*

Posted by: SallieMae | November 27, 2006 1:19 PM | Report abuse

jm220, sure didnt do anthing for your WIN column your still in last place CLOWN!!

Posted by: Redskins Suck | November 27, 2006 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Boofer your last post shows how much of a loser you are. After every point you bring up is smack down. You try to come up with something else to make you feel better. (clear sign of a loser)Unlike you we give credit where credit is due. We all have said Romo has look good this far. Yet, you have continue to try to bring Campbell down. Instead of saying yes the kid look good for two starts. (once again clear sign of a loser)

Posted by: jm220 | November 27, 2006 1:26 PM | Report abuse

OK,OK

JC is Iceman! With the game on the line, possibly the last possession, down by 3 points, in his FIRST home field start, then his helmet malfunctions!! (Is that like a Janet Jackson wardrobe malfunction?) This right after he took a chance the previous possession and threw into 1-on-1 coverage ... the odds were on ICEMAN's side with the throw ... but, alas, the D-back saw the throw to soon and got into position first ...

All of that going on in ICEMAN's head ... and what does he do? He's Ice.

*hugs* to Iceman. Well done!

Posted by: SallieMae | November 27, 2006 1:28 PM | Report abuse

P Diddy, you're reminding me how jealous I am of the Seahawks for having a stadium within easy walking distance of downtown, right in the heart of the city. I could have walked there from my house when I was living in SEA, but I wasn't compelled to do so by any of the games in the early part of this season.

So once again, boo on FedEx being out in the wilds of Maryland! Not that RFK was easy walking distance of downtown, but it really did feel like being in the city. Oh, yeah, and having the Metro station right across the street was nice.

BURGUNDY PANTS. 'Nuff said.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | November 27, 2006 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I am an unabashed Seattle hater, but even I must admit that Qwest Field is pretty nice. And, you're right, conveniently located. I'm a 10 minute walk from the gate myself.

As usual, I gave my extra tickets to one of my bartenders on Saturday night. Not sure if I'm going to go, though. I'm a Californian these days, through and through. If it's below 40 degrees, I'm not interested. Seattle today is 35 degrees with (strange, for these parts) snow flurries.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 27, 2006 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I feel the need . . . the need for speed.

Hey Jason you big stuuuuuuddd! Take me to bed or lose me forever!

St. Joe permisison to buzz the tower?
Negative Soups the pattern is full.

Posted by: sfskin | November 27, 2006 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Okay to continue emulating the D (who did play superbly yesterday)!

I just graded a paper WOO! - (pound my chest do a high step)

I just blew my nose! Yeah that's right mofo I just blew my nose!!

Posted by: sfskin | November 27, 2006 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Hey did anyone notice the players went to burgundy and white and the cheerleaders went with white on white?

Why please someone tell me why there are cheerleaders?

Also I liked the 1/3 stadium lap Cooley did after the TD high fiving fans. Very basebol.

Okay nice thing to say about BLloyd - he did some nice body picks and shoves on the Cooley TD run.

Posted by: sfskin | November 27, 2006 1:52 PM | Report abuse

lo que vi fue un JC muy centrado creo q\
hay futuro para los redskins
vamos redskins

Posted by: clo | November 27, 2006 1:52 PM | Report abuse

P Diddy, sfskin, Nate in the PDX representing on the West Coast.

The teams out here make it easy to continue rooting wholeheartedly for the Skins. Even from 3000 miles away, our astonishingly bad season is far more interesting to me than anything happening in SEA, SF or OAK. Though that Frank Gore really is something.

Here's hoping for the Skins appearing in a stadium near us in '07.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | November 27, 2006 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Boof you are grasping at straws trying to criticize Campbell. Much easier to criticize Brunell.

As for the other teams having video of campbell... I don't think that will help them much. He avoids pressure, can run and spreads the ball to every receiver, RB, and TE on the field. There isn't really too much that other teams can key on with Campbell. He hasn't made too many mistakes. All the video footage will tell them is that Campbell can do it all. He really hasn't exposed any blatant weaknesses yet.

Posted by: Max | November 27, 2006 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I sleep with men.

Posted by: Redskins Sucks | November 27, 2006 1:58 PM | Report abuse

The cheerleaders are there because they are hot. Duh.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 27, 2006 1:59 PM | Report abuse

jm220,if pointing out facts about noodle soup hurt your feelings then maybe you should drink some warm milk!It wouldnt matter who the new QB would be, most of you would say how good he looks(only a few smart ones can see the bad things )Noodle Soup has done nothing to show that he is an upgrade from Brunell!!!

Posted by: Redskins Suck | November 27, 2006 2:06 PM | Report abuse

whats wrong with sleeping with men?

Posted by: jm220 | November 27, 2006 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Suck - u are idiot. Get u some football knowledge.

Posted by: Max | November 27, 2006 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Wow, how nice would it be if Monk finally gets in to the HOF (jm220, I just read MMQB on this). I hope Peter King's coming around -- thanks to a conversation with Gibbs, among other influences -- means he'll get the votes he needs this time.

Next comes the immortal #28 (who I have to guess would still be the fastest man on our team). I think he's eligible next year, and I think we can reasonably expect he'll get in on the first ballot, right?

I'd love it if one of the Hogs could get in, with Grimm as the most likely candidate. That would be an official acknowledgment of how important the O-line was to those SB teams, and how great those guys were. But we'll take it one thing at a time, and Monk is tops on my list.

Our cheerleaders looked fantastic.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | November 27, 2006 2:08 PM | Report abuse

See what happens to the defense when we have a completely healthy SSprings. Shutting down SSmith all by his lonesome. Awesome!

Btw, if you guys are going to imitate Redskins Sucks, you guys have to learn how to misspell.

Posted by: charlie | November 27, 2006 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Program Note - Tom Friend will be on John Thompson today...........

Posted by: 4th Floor | November 27, 2006 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Dorf - I so feel your pain. I watched that game Saturday night - the only televised JMU game this season, and they blew it. Granted, there were a couple calls that were blown by the refs (that worked in YSU's favor), but the defense could not hold YSU from driving down the field, and then we blew it in the 4th quarter by trying for the TD instead of taking the sure 3 points with the field goal. Had we gotten the field goal (which would have put us up 34-28), even if YSU scored the TD, we could have won it with a FG at the end of the game, instead of trying for the Hail Mary TD pass at the end.

Posted by: bandwagon blues | November 27, 2006 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Concerns still abound. But it was nice to see a win.

1. Al Saunders - does he understand that with the running game this team is meant to go down hill and not side to side? Mike Sellers and TJ Ducket are large bruising runners sending them anywhere but up the middle or through the tackles is going to lose you ground. Only Portis and Betts should run side to side.

2. Quit the gimmick plays - Stop with the multiple end arounds and double reverses- they work on occassion but not often enough - and quit inserting them on short yardage plays with 8 men up frot. Run the ball, pass the ball, go for Xth and 1 with a large back like Sellers or Duckett leading one another up the middle not sweeping to the strong side. The linebackers and safteys in this leauge are to fast for that. At the goal line hit them in the mouth with your power backs. Demoralize the front defensive line - tire them out.

3.Where in the hell is a pass rush? Last year and the year before Greg Williams was having a field day with mixing up the schemes - this year it seems to be plain vanilla rush 4 and drop the rest. No exotic blitz packages or legitimate pass rush of any kind. Unfortunatly, the backfield has suffered for it having to cover recievers for much longer then they should need to.

4.Defensive Backfield - Um - it might be nice to keep at least within 5 -7 yards of the reciever. Yesterday, I saw Carlos Rogers play 15 yards off of a reciever on a 3rd and 3 - guy ran a slant pattern - automatic first down. Please at least attempt to show that you can be physical at the line. Bump the damn recivers, hand slap with them, get a little closer at least - I can undrstand respecting a good reciever but 15 yards - c'mon!!!

5. Sean Taylor - Let this guy loose - let him hit and intimidate, blitz him on occassion - let him pound guys. This is what he did last year and he's known as an assassin out there (Watch the you-tube highlights.) This guy should be on Jacked up every week. He still has some things to learn about nfl schemes and pass coverage but recievers are already worried about getting clocked by this manimal. Let him be a presence and an attitude.

6.Jason Cambell - Like what I've seen for the past two games - yesterdays performance was a little incositant but how many balls did his recievers drop? A Win is a win even if it is not pretty. Hope to see more of him in the future.

7.Must improve the kicking game - but then again if we would call the correct plays on 3-1, 4-1 instead of the crap that gets called we might make a few more FG's within 40 yards.

GO SKINS !!!!

Posted by: CHITOWN Skins fan | November 27, 2006 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Boofer very childish to use my name.

Our cheerleaders looked fantastic.

Nate I am with you on that one. (Asian one is hot)

Posted by: jm220 | November 27, 2006 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Max, boys in 1st place! skinys in last place! but maybe you can help me with my knowledge? when was last time skinys won the div.?I think its been close to 20 yrs? maybe jm220 can help out?

Posted by: Redskins Suck | November 27, 2006 2:22 PM | Report abuse

jm220 - If you're talking about the asian girl from the cover of the calendar... GOOD LAWD is she beautiful!

Posted by: Posse Redux | November 27, 2006 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Posse Redux

Yes that is the one I am talking about. Boofer I think that was the last time your team was in the playoff.

Posted by: jm220 | November 27, 2006 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Can we password protect the blog with something Dallas fans will never get?

A simple question such as: Whom do you visit for teeth maintenance?

or

Is it bad if your sister is your mom?

Just a thought.

PG

Posted by: Pub Golf | November 27, 2006 2:32 PM | Report abuse

just heard this joke. can we laugh at ourserlves? although, it's one day later.

Tampa, FL (AP) - A seven-year-old boy was at the center of a Tampa courtroom drama yesterday when he challenged a court ruling over who should have custody of him. The boy has a history of being beaten by his parents and the judge initially awarded custody to his aunt, in keeping with child custody law and regulations requiring that family unity be
maintained to the degree possible.

The boy surprised the court when he proclaimed that his aunt beat him more than his parents and he adamantly refused to live with her. When the judge then suggested that he live with his grandparents, the boy cried out that they also beat him.

After considering the remainder of the immediate family and learning that domestic violence was apparently a way of life among them, the judge took the unprecedented step of allowing the boy to propose who should have custody of him.

After two recesses to check legal references and confer with child welfare officials , the judge granted temporary custody to the WASHINGTON REDSKINS, whom the boy firmly believes are not capable of beating anyone.

Posted by: thor | November 27, 2006 2:36 PM | Report abuse

(Ignore the trolls.)

I have an aesthetic inquiry about replica jerseys. I was a burgundy jersey wearer for years, first #81/MONK and then #28/GREEN, both of which were 'official' replicas.

When the time came to get a new one, I had a flash of inspiration and ordered a white #44/RIGGINS. My thinking was that no 'official' Riggo replicas were available, and I wanted one as close as possible to the one he wore during what for my money is the greatest play in Skins history, 70 Chip. (He was also wearing burgundy pants, of course.)

Now I see that the Skins are offering official Riggo replica jerseys just in time for Xmas, and they appear to be offering burgundy only. I'm guessing more people will want big bold burgundy than plain old white. Or that the team is making some a typically canny marketing decision here by offering just one color. Interesting.

So satisfying to be dwelling on minutiae such as this instead of gnashing my teeth in the wake of another brutal loss, waiting for Joe's presser.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | November 27, 2006 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey JLC,
Love the blog and your coverage of the team. That said, what's with all the B Loyd criticism? How can he be called a complete bust when he's all but ignored in the passing game? Aside from the one bad drop at the start of the Tampa game I've yet to see any problem with his hands. Are you watching some sort of coaches wide-angle shot of the field that shows him not getting open or running the wrong route? Because from my vantage point he looks like more like a wasted talent than an all out bust.

Posted by: Moe from Richmond | November 27, 2006 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Skinswest, thanks for the encouragement about the Friend article!

About the win yesterday: it was great because the 'skins were so physical in all phases of the game. It was refreshing to see that the offense stuck to the running game, and cut back on gimmick plays - somewhat.

However, until the 'skins string a few of these efforts together, I am not convinced that the team has "found its identity." Its not even that they need to win every game, but only play with this inspiration on a consistent basis. Until then, this game is just a momentary blip on the radar. A very nice, happy blip - but soon forgotten if the team slacks off again.

I still think there are bigger problems at R. Park that do not bode well for the next few years. I really hope to be proven wrong somehow by the Magic of Gibbs, but after 2 1/2 years (20-23 record over that span), I am slowly getting pessimistic about the organization as a whole.

Posted by: Rennypolis | November 27, 2006 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Tom Friend on John Thompson NOW

Posted by: 4th | November 27, 2006 3:08 PM | Report abuse

4th Floor - thx for the heads up . . .

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | November 27, 2006 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Friend - Even to this day. Defense still has dissension in it...

Posted by: 4th | November 27, 2006 3:12 PM | Report abuse

UnNamed Player - Defense is fractured. gave a Rogers example and who is faulting who (front office vs. coaching staff)....

Posted by: 4th | November 27, 2006 3:16 PM | Report abuse

front office vs. coaching staff)....

Hope this means double G is out of here. Thanks for the updates 4th

Posted by: jm220 | November 27, 2006 3:17 PM | Report abuse

On Safeties and Corners having different meetings and technique - Friend said he never heard of a Cover 2 technique where you key on the reciver instead of the QB

Posted by: 4th | November 27, 2006 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Steve Jackson said yesterday at the game, 'If I'm quiet, Don't think I'm pouting...'

Funny...

Posted by: 4th | November 27, 2006 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Friend - Frustration in the Front Office. Do I think he(GG) is gonna be gone, No. Other assistants, probably.

That was it. Nothing additional outside of the article. Maybe he should take some lessons from JLaC and give some Tid Bits off 'The Cutting Room Floor'.......

Posted by: Anonymous | November 27, 2006 3:22 PM | Report abuse

The last one was me also. Forgot to post the name.....

Posted by: 4th | November 27, 2006 3:24 PM | Report abuse

To clarify Front Office vs. Coaching staff - They are giving excuses for the problem. But, the problem with the excuses was that depending on who you talk to, the excuses were just completely different and did not match up to what the next person would say...

Posted by: 4th Floor | November 27, 2006 3:30 PM | Report abuse

by the way jm220 the cheerleader you and posse redux are referring to is Anabel. Check out redskins.com

Posted by: cheerleader database | November 27, 2006 3:36 PM | Report abuse

4th Floor, thanks for the updates on the JThompson show - I can't get the stream for some reason.

I still think this story is a really, really big deal, and fills in a lot of blanks about what happened to this season. I don't see one article changing the whole team overnight into playoff contenders, though. They will revert to this season's mean of mediocrity.

This season: what a fall!

Posted by: Rennypolis | November 27, 2006 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm chuckling because I knew my cheerleader comment would get a ripple through the blog. I have a former student who is now a 49er girl.

I can appreciate the hot cheerleaders but I realize they are there mostly for the XY's and not the XX's.

Sadly most football players have had a run in with the ugly tree and even if they haven't they have their helmets on. Still we do get some nice a$$ shots on occaison.

DGreen always made me swoon in his tighty burgundies.

Was that TMI?

*hugs* *smiles*

Posted by: sfskin | November 27, 2006 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the updates 4th floor good stuff. Sounds like a lot of finger pointing going on. They played great yesterday. I heard Daniels say keep the negative writing coming it must have worked.
I say fire the secondary coaches if they can't get along.

Posted by: calebt17 | November 27, 2006 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Right C17. This week, we'll have Peter King write something, the Next Week Len P, the week after - JLaC (maybe??)

Posted by: 4th Floor | November 27, 2006 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Just finished reading "Shalimar the Clown" by Salman Rushdie, and there's a great section in there where he goes on (and on) about the Rodney King trial. In a circuitous and barely relevant manner, it reminded me of both the Boofer v. everyone else on this blog, and the 'Skins secondary coaches.

It's that time of year where it's more appropriate to suck it up and get along than it is to be a jerk, I suppose.

BTW, I am also officially sick of "I saw mommy kissing Santa Claus". "Deck the Halls" is on deck, with "Rudolph" in the hole. I can never get sick of "The Little Drummer Boy". Pa rum pum pum pum.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 27, 2006 3:57 PM | Report abuse

OK, so this Friend article has been discussed in the comment section of several Insider posts, but so far no direct posting about this by the Insider himself, JLaC. Even the D.C Sports Bog (Dan Steinberg) had a long posting about it today:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2006/11/espn_the_magazine_beats_the_pa.html

Why hasn't the Redskins Insider done a full post on this? There is clearly tons of interest about it...and its a really big deal, with players, journalists, fans, and even coaches now reacting to it.

What up?

Posted by: Rennypolis | November 27, 2006 4:03 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I am also officially sick of "I saw mommy kissing Santa Claus". "Deck the Halls" is on deck, with "Rudolph" in the hole. I can never get sick of "The Little Drummer Boy". Pa rum pum pum pum.

I find myself barely able to tolerate the seasonal browbeating by thinking of the Family Guy versions of the songs being played.

I bring these gifts for you,
they're up in my bummmmm....

Posted by: FlimFlam | November 27, 2006 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Blues, I feel you man. Thought we had the game locked... felt good when the Dukes were up 31-20. Offense faultered and defense was exposed. I said before the game that if YSU watched any game film, they'd pick on our CBs. YSU threw out their playbook and took it to JMU's suspect pass defense. Rascati's gone and Landers is our near future. Gulp.

Posted by: Dorf | November 27, 2006 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Diddy you are a savant. You got reviews on everything the last two days. Cheesecake, coffee, books, Christmas music. Dang who needs consumer reports. Keep the hilarity coming.

Posted by: calebt17 | November 27, 2006 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Hey there, sorry for the late response. Been a long day.
dcsween - hey bud, sorry I could not hear a word you said Sunday. That press box glass is thick. I was about to head to the locker room and had no idea what was going on. Sorry, and thanks for stopping by.

Someone mentioned Vernon Fox. Never said he was dog, my point was don't defend benching Arch based on wanted to play yoing guys, then Rocky and Reed Doughty sit on the bench and Fox, a small five year vet special teams guy, starts.

The Skins finally adjusted their Cover-2 some on Sunday, had the safeties sitting deeper, the corners played a great game and Delhomme threw some horrible passes, like the first pick.

As for BLloyd - make a play. That's all I'm saying. James Thrash has found ways to do it. Cooley does it. Just make a play. His lack of production is unthinkable. It's Taylor Jacobs bad, people, and everyone couldn't wait to run him outta here.

Gov, thanks for the props.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | November 27, 2006 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I believe the word you are looking for is "bon vivant". Or "idiot savant", without the "savant" part.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 27, 2006 4:18 PM | Report abuse

But I always fought my guts out

Posted by: Taylor Jacobs | November 27, 2006 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I was using the 1st definition of savant - learned person or distinguished scientist.
Bon Vivant is fine too.

Posted by: calebt17 | November 27, 2006 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Telling Lloyd to "Make a play" is insulting. He blocks down field very well; and does not give up on plays or take them off. I am not being a defender or kool-aid drinker, but give the guy a break.

Posted by: DB | November 27, 2006 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs talks in 'generality' of the article.....

He also said on the follow up that he won't address annonymous sources...

Posted by: 4th Floor | November 27, 2006 4:53 PM | Report abuse

DB,

That's all well and good but if that's the case why not just go two tight ends. They block and don't give up on plays. They are cheaper too. Hell put Sellers out there.

I've been the biggest Lloyd supporter but the guy is driving his Phantom and he's not worried about whether or not your being insulted.

Posted by: Skinz | November 27, 2006 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Rogers deserves some kudos for his performance. I hope that was his break-out game

Posted by: King Kong | November 27, 2006 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Good win by the skins. JC is the man and we know what gibbs record in December is... suddenly 5 unwinnable games are now winnable...

Posted by: Jack Kent Cooke | November 27, 2006 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Jason, its probably just as well that you couldn't hear me in the press box. I was hoarse anyway and I was trying to encourage you to write about the mast$rb*ting monkey on the Jumbotron (which was probably just the Budweiser screaming ... and if you were actually watching the field on Panthers' third down as opposed to, say, the Jumbotron, you would have called security). Before the game, I was thinking about making a sign that said "I'm Pro-Megskin and I blog," but the TV cameramen probably would have missed the significance.

I digress. Now, with all due respect to Meg's notation regarding the bloody pulp of the ESPN article, no one has spouted a credible theory about the identity of the disgruntled anonyomous source.

1. Someone thought maybe Marshall, but he and Grill walked off the field like old time buddies at the half.

2. Besides, there is a quote in the article, when they talk about how the safeties and corners met separately suggesting that it was someone from the secondary ("... we hadn't met as a secondary ...). Sounds like a DB. Moreover, the complaints are directed at the safeties coach. Points slightly in the direction of CB source.

3. Then it talks about the OTAs; rules out Fox and Vincent. Since Prioleau has been out since the first play of the season, I scratch him off the list.

4. The article talks about Springs, Taylor, and Rogers in the third person, which indicates nothing. All likely candidates, except that the direct quotes seem like regular sentences. Rogers talks in run-on sentences. Rogers eliminated. Springs is pretty good speaker and I know he is a go to guy for sports writers. Taylor? Seems like he avoids the press altogether.

5. Archuleta? Doubt it. He is too wealthy to be complaining ... but there are some quotes about Grilliams saying something about how he doesn't "write the checks." I'm closing in on a player who is at the lower end of the pay scale.

6. Whose left? Doughty? Rookie too thankful for a paycheck and playing in the NFL. Nope. Rumph? You can't have Taylor Jacobs star quality and still complain, esp. from the inactive list.

Process of elimination gets me down to Wright or Jimoh ... two CBs with mid-range potential/promise who have NOT shown up to play this season.

OK. Now I am OK leaving the bloody pulp where it lies, Megskin. Anyone expect EITHER Wright or Jimoh to be back next year? [Note: Jimoh was special teams captain for the game.]

Posted by: dcsween | November 27, 2006 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Nick Novak might be following me out of town

Posted by: Taylor Jacobs | November 27, 2006 5:07 PM | Report abuse

J La C with the big YAWN!! nice shirt, daddy-o

Posted by: JankySpankyGotPaid | November 27, 2006 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Yo, cover your mouth when you yawn like that!

Posted by: Posse Redux | November 27, 2006 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Dorf: Yeah, I think this was our last chance for a while to make it to the championship - I think we are losing a lot of starters to graduation this spring, including Rascati. If ever there were a year that we were going to repeat '04, it would have been this year, and now that chance is gone. *sniffle*

It's hard being a fan of a 1-AA school in a 1-A world. At least I can say that our division has a TRUE championship.

Oh, by the way - my husband picked up on this when we were watching the game - did you see the ref in the end zone CELEBRATING YSU's field goal at the beginning of the game? We rewound it on the TiVO to check - after the ref makes the "kick is good" sign, he pumps his fists and cheers. D'oh! Talk about bad omens!

(Oh, and about the Skins - Cooley's game-winning TD was pure gold. Campbell may not be perfect, but I still like what I saw Sunday. Lloyd may not be able to catch but he does throw good blocks. Nick Novak - dude, what happened? Your field goal stats are abysmal. Missing a 37 yard attempt? That should be money in the bank!)

Posted by: bandwagon blues | November 27, 2006 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Missed the Gibbs press conference...

Are we still all in it together? Are we still fighting our guts out? Are we still trying to be more consistent? Are we still the greatest fans ever?

Posted by: P Diddy | November 27, 2006 5:22 PM | Report abuse

dcsween - my money is on Springs being the source. It read like it was someone who's been in the league for a while and knows how things should be run which points to being on another team first. Also talking about the Buffalo years means he's probably got friends on other teams - the more years in the league, the more friends. He also trusts Friend not to out him which points to a good relationship with the writer which takes time. Most of our guys are younger and probably don't have those kinds of relationships. However, it's the sidebar that they put up after the game on Sunday that stands out. My friend pointed out that Springs is kind of overcompensating especially with the "you know I would come right out and say it" quote. I could very well be wrong, but that's how it looks to me...

Posted by: Posse Redux | November 27, 2006 5:26 PM | Report abuse

It could have been an agent relaying stories he heard from his clients. The agent in turns tells Friend, who confirms with the player.

1st - We need to think for a sec. It HAS to be a person that is being ridculed by us and the media. Someone we have no problem with wouldn't have all these things quoted in the article.

It's either Archibingus or Rogers via their Agent. It dosen't matter if this was their 1st or 2nd year. They could get that info with just regularly chatting with the players that have been here during that time.

Does anyone know who their Agents are?

Posted by: 4th | November 27, 2006 5:29 PM | Report abuse

It's always fun to figure out the source of a leak. I had Karl Rove and Scooter Libby in the pool and won a genuine "W" handkerchief. Great for blowing your nose into. I totally missed out on Mark Felt (I had Pat Buchanan).

On this one, I'm betting on Archuleta. His workout is kicking my butt, and his words are kicking the 'Skins' collective rear ends as well.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 27, 2006 5:32 PM | Report abuse

By the way, the ESPN article was Shawn Springs and Adam Archuletta.

Posted by: The Governor | November 27, 2006 5:39 PM | Report abuse

dcsween, posse, 4th: I gather from your posts that you're upset that the "leak" got out and you think the "leaker" should be outed and, presumably, released. Is that right?

Am I the only one that is glad that there is a leak? I know, I know, "code of the locker room" and whatnot. But this team is mismanaged in many ways and I'm glad that Tom Friend put a fat spotlight on all this ugliness. I tend to think that exposing the dysfunctional parts of the franchise will result in positive change. Seriouly, am I just being naive?

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 27, 2006 5:41 PM | Report abuse

You just know it's the dude from France. Sacré bleu!

Posted by: Anonymous | November 27, 2006 5:41 PM | Report abuse

P Diddy - It was Dick Armitage and Scooter Libby. Karl Rove was just pulling a Daniel Snyder. He even did better than KArl Swanson did you JLaC. He convinced the special prosecuter he wasn't doing this intentionally......

Posted by: 4th Floor | November 27, 2006 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Nous vous voyons!

Posted by: P Diddy | November 27, 2006 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Breaking News
Cowboys release Vanderjagt, according to Ed Werder and ESPNews.

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 27, 2006 5:42 PM | Report abuse

it was ugly but a win is a win is a win.

Posted by: ih8dallas | November 27, 2006 5:43 PM | Report abuse

i seriously doubt it was Archu. the bulk of the complaint against GW was that he let players like Clark and Pierce go and (it's implied) signed guys like AA. the guy who spoke out was pissed that they didn't resign clark and pierce. why would AA be pissed they didn't resign clark? he's the guy who replaced clark.

my money is on prileaou or springs. one of the quotes describing the different meetings between safeties and cbs says, "we hadn't met..." then later on he says, "they met together for the first time..." perhaps the "we" refers to before pierson got hurt? Then after he got hurt and is no longer attending meetings (perhaps?), he refers to his secondary mates as "they."

whoever said it was right on and deserves a gold star.

to me, watching the scheme yesterday, it looked like they took to heart what was in the article (and who's to say that what was in the article hadn't already been said (and ignored?) inhouse. they didn't stunt as much with the D-line. They just let them rush stright up. They played the safeties back more. Heck, they might've even changed up the secondary technique. ST looked like a different player. wouldn't surprise me one bit if he was keying on the QB's eyes and not the WR routes.

Posted by: Not Archu | November 27, 2006 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Think the Skins are gonna be flying Redskin One out to Dallas to bring the "Idiot Kicker" in for an audition...


prepare for more drama...

Posted by: Paul The Incoming Journo | November 27, 2006 5:45 PM | Report abuse

I think it may be an upgrade over Novak...

Posted by: Paul the Up and Coming Journo | November 27, 2006 5:47 PM | Report abuse

dcsween,

It's definitely NOT Sean Taylor...he never talks to media...and the article even indicated he is treated better than most.

Our "friend aka enemy" on the Sports Reporters kept insisting this morning that it is Springs yet Springs adamantly denied it yesterday. Does not sound like something he would do either. My guess is that it was Archuleta's AGENT.

Posted by: Lisa | November 27, 2006 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Even money that Vandershank is wearing the burgundy and gold this Sunday

Posted by: Hailtothe... | November 27, 2006 5:49 PM | Report abuse

The Cowboys released Vanderjerk - how quickly before Redskin 1 is sent out to pick him up???

Posted by: Redskins Rock | November 27, 2006 5:49 PM | Report abuse

SKINY CLOWNS!!! BOYS...PARCELLS. ROMO I LOVE....skiny CLOWN fan.SOup! 1stest places is bestest gooder then SKINNY CLOWNERS!

Sir, I realize that "blog" etiquette does not require proper punctuation or grammar due to it's casual nature. I do believe, however, that we limit ourselves to individuals with at least a third grade education. Please, in the future, locate the on/off feature or you caps lock button and the space bar after your punctuation marks. If this is not possible, please try and pick up a copy of "Basic English Grammar, Second Edition by Betty Schrampfer Azar." It will help turn your words into ideas, but it won't stop all the voices in your head from yelling at once.

Posted by: Redskins_Suck | November 27, 2006 5:50 PM | Report abuse

It was me.

Posted by: Ray Brown | November 27, 2006 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I was late to the Tom Friend reading group, but now I'm caught up, so I'm with you guys in puzzling over the Source. I wonder if we'll ever know for sure. So many people are going to be fired or cut, with each grinding a different axe, after this season that it will be hard to sort through.

One aside: I had approximately the same embarrassment in reading about the 'split secondary' meetings -- corners and safeties in different rooms, which NOBODY has EVER done and which had what in hindsight were predictably miserable results -- as I did when it was revealed that Spurrier went out for his first Skins practice and had to be told that the O and D scrimmaged together, not separately, since there are so few people on an NFL roster. *sigh*

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | November 27, 2006 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Good to hear from you Joe. I lived in DC my whole life and come to realize that leaks are Good and Bad. We don't know what the Unnamed source motives are. Mark Felt had plenty, like getting revenge for not succeding Hoover in the FBI.

Is it to get a coach fired for personal reasons? Is he doing it for the good of the team or to make him look better or draw attention away from himself.

Not Arhu - It was only said. But that stuff you hear about AP and RC was prob talked around in the locker room. So you CAN NOT rule out Archibungus. Listening to XXX, they claim to have 'inside sources' to exclude some players. They said if it is the person they are thinking of, they are not very deep at that position. To me, that's LB. So, it could very well be #98.

Posted by: 4th Floor | November 27, 2006 6:01 PM | Report abuse

I can say this much about the Friend article. Anytime you have a story that is a one-source story, you have a journalistic problem. For that source to be anonymous is even more troublesome. In a time when trust between the media and readers is at a low and the desire for knowing who said what is at a high, to base a story on one anonymous source is not okay.

"When we use an unnamed source, we are asking our readers to take an extra step to trust the credibility of the information we are providing," the Washington Post memo on sources states. "We must be certain in our own minds that the benefit to readers is worth the cost in credibility. ...When sources refuse to be identified, it is often helpful to show readers that we tried to identify them, an explain why we could not. ..."


HERE'S THE KEY PART:

"Obviously it is important to share with readers any direct interest our sources may have in the story we are writing. When sources have axes to grind, we should let our readers know what their interest is. Smart sources, particularly in government and increasingly in business, know how to tempt reporters with juicy stories. Smart reporters and editors know how to avoid letting htemp sin us for their own purposes. Attribution must be truthful."


As a Skins fan it was tough to read the article and I was glad to know about the types of things that could have contributed to some of the problems the team showed. As a studying journalist who is close (hopefully) to entering the business, I dont know if the article covered all the bases it should have. Whoever this player is, he definitely had a reason for giving this information, with that reason most likely being that he wanted Williams out. We should know why he may have given these quotes...

at least that's what I think.

Posted by: Paul the Up and Coming Journo | November 27, 2006 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Can't put my finger on why, but I was also thinking the source was a linebacker, but my hunch was Marcus Washington, not #98. Hmm...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | November 27, 2006 6:06 PM | Report abuse

JoeRaleigh, nope, not me. I don't mean any diss for the leaker. I enjoy a good mystery or whodunnit like the next chump, that's all. The thread was getting a little embittered, and I'm still on a high from the game. I just wanted to change the subject. [I'm telling you, that mast*rb#(ing monkey on the Jumbotron was the defensive player of the game and you could not hear yourself screaming to the person next to you during Panthers' third downs!]

I agree that the source seems like it could not be Archuleta. Springs seems as likely as of the CB candidates -- he has played on the last three defenses, he seems like a leader on the field, thus would have the pulse of the D. The thing is, it seemed like he wouldn't be taking the brunt of getting yelled at like someone like Wright (or maybe Rumph). For all intents and purposes, Prioleau fits the same profile as Springs (injured this season, here since the free agent signings, part of the 2004 defense). I don't know what kind of money Springs makes, but maybe it is on the lower end of the pay scale because he joined the team as a Grilliams special (mediocre elsewhere, faceless journeyman looking to make a point on a new team). Prioleau, like Wright, would be in there. Jimoh is also in that mix ... arrived in 2003 as an undrafted free agent. I realize that I have just named the four top non-Carlos Rogers CBs, so its anyone's guess.

Actually, now MY little bit about the sources identity is getting a little negative, so with any luck, I will get back to work and drop it. Work on my scorched vocal cords, and return to the euphoria of beating a pretty good team after having way lowered my expectations.

Posted by: dcsween | November 27, 2006 6:08 PM | Report abuse

We need the Reaper in prime form Sunday to stop Vick - what'd he get yesterday? 100+ on six runs? Yikes!

Listen Novak must be way far in his own head by now after another shank. Shaq shoots free throws better than this guy kicks. I'd send my grandma out there at this point and she's been dead for 20 years.

Maybe it was the white spy who leaked. . .

Posted by: sfskin | November 27, 2006 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Hail to the Redskins !
Hail to victory !
Braves on the war path !
Fight for old Dixie !
Scalp em, Swamp em,
We will take em big score !
Read em, Weep em Touchdown,
We want heaps more !
Fight on... Fight On...
Til you have won,
Sons of Washington !

Posted by: Old skool | November 27, 2006 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I would say it was Jimoh that said it. He's a journeyman who has been with the team awhile and probably hasn't liked how things have been handled. Plus, he probably thinks he is better than the guys they picked up ahead of him (Wright, Rumph) even though he isn't. But at this point I'm with jm220 it doesn't matter who it was cause it motivated them to win.

Keep Vanderjagt away from Redskins one.

Posted by: calebt17 | November 27, 2006 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Nate - I wrote #53 initially after putting down #98, but hit the backspace button. I kinda think it could have been him too. If he said it, I think it was definitely for the good of the team. Maybe he saw something that was not right in his heart and had to talk to some one about it. The only ones I could say that would do this for hte good of the team vs. selfishness would be #53 and #24. Everyone else I would assume had other reasons.

Posted by: 4th | November 27, 2006 6:15 PM | Report abuse

megskin is a middle-aged man.

Posted by: earl smith | November 27, 2006 6:16 PM | Report abuse

the skins dont cut novak and go out and sign the just cut vanderjagt, i dont know if they can because i don't know what their cap looks like, but that would solve one of the problems with this team

Posted by: Anonymous | November 27, 2006 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Also, I'm not advocating for ANY roster purging. Frankly, I think that has been the problem for too long. These guys are adults and well-paid professional atheletes. [Either the Arizona Cardinals or the Oakland Raiders would CRUSH the Ohio State Buckeyes.] I think the point should be to keep the same corps of guys ... not just the 'core' guys ... playing together. Stability has been how teams get it together; a few years of misery ultimately pays off when chemistry kicks in. I'm AOK to fire the bad molecules -- someone like T.O. could be outright poison, but to me, the objective should be to keep everyone and bring out their best. I still think Archuleta could prosper at a different position (the Friend article suggests as much). Before I was thinking LB, now I'm thinking WR or TE (see Mike Furrey, leading WR in Detroit, who was a safety or CB last season). I'm thinking Nick Novak needs a few years of having a coach's confidence. [Though he feeds my addiction by the occasional beauty of a punt, I think Frost is mentally unstable, thus, I'd sign that severance check.]

The only thought I have about roster cuts -- and this is based on that ESPN article -- is to lose the safeties coach for next year. Seems like one DB coach, plus a line coach, and a LB coach, should be plenty.

Posted by: dcsween | November 27, 2006 6:18 PM | Report abuse

dcsween- "I don't know what kind of money Springs makes, but maybe it is on the lower end of the pay scale because he joined the team as a Grilliams special (mediocre elsewhere, faceless journeyman looking to make a point on a new team)." Dude, Springs got like 6 years, 31 million, 10 mil bonus. I'm hoping maybe you meant Prioleau

Posted by: Anonymous | November 27, 2006 6:27 PM | Report abuse

It probably isn't hard to tell who the "unidentified player was." We probably only have two or three players that have been here for three years.

Posted by: BT | November 27, 2006 6:30 PM | Report abuse

dcsween is on point. I hope there isn't another offseason purge. I also hope we won't start spending 2008 draft picks in 2007. The likelihood of either is probably small.

Streamlining the coaching staff may be a welcome change, however. Bringing in some competition for Nick would probably be a smart idea, too.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 27, 2006 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Dcsween - Are you serious about Novak? I agree with most of your points, but Novak needs to go. There is no way that you can keep a kicker around a couple of years to see if he can build up his confidence.

Posted by: BT | November 27, 2006 6:34 PM | Report abuse

jimoh? jimoh??? have you ever heard him interviewed? 95% of what he says is praising God (not that there's anything wrong with that), but he's not exactly the kind of guy to go out of his way to leak an explosive analysis of the defense over the past three years.

guys, this was a starter talking, not a career special teamer. this was someone who was on a great defense here for at least a year (probably 2) and feels that the coaches have screwed it up. i don't get the impression he wants out. i get the impression he wants it fixed.

and it's not AA. it makes no sense for him to say the things that were said. this wasn't someone grumbling about playing time. this wasn't griping about money or PT. this was a leader saying, the system is broken, the coaches are making it worse and they need to get it fixed.

Posted by: not archu | November 27, 2006 6:35 PM | Report abuse

and to add to my last point:

DO NOT SIGN VANDERHACK!!!!

Posted by: BT | November 27, 2006 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Man, the euphoria is starting to wear off because of all this talk about Deep Throat Skins.

Hail to the Redskins!
Hail to the Redskins!
HAil to the Redskins!

Posted by: 4th | November 27, 2006 6:39 PM | Report abuse

How about a nickname for the unidentified player, only to be revealed upon the person's death (like Deep Throat)?

How about "Tha Truth"

Any other good nominations?

Posted by: BT | November 27, 2006 6:43 PM | Report abuse

"Deep Snap"?

The funny thing about "Deep Throat" is that it's so iconic, it is virtually a synonym for unnamed sources. According to Wikipedia, Howard Simmons deserves the credit.

Paul the journo student is spot on, by the way. My point a few threads ago is that Friend is a pro, and an old man on the 'Skins beat back in the Gibbs I era. He almost certainly corroborated the story with multiple sources, though attributed quotes only to one. I can't imagine a WashPo alumnus being careless with stuff like that, particularly someone with Friend's reputation.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 27, 2006 6:48 PM | Report abuse

How about "Cover 0"

Posted by: BT | November 27, 2006 6:54 PM | Report abuse

BTW, Stuart Scott just mentioned that Tony Romo is dating Jessica Simpson.

Alright, now I have no choice but to hate the guy.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 27, 2006 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Deep Cover

Posted by: 4th | November 27, 2006 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I like "Deep Cover"

Posted by: BT | November 27, 2006 6:58 PM | Report abuse

friend was on riggins show. said that he spoke with multiple skins to verify what was said by his source.

Posted by: not archu | November 27, 2006 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Diddy, you didn't hear about that earlier?

During his first start, they had one of those wack get to know list of things and under "the person i most would like to date" he responded Jessica Simpson.

Supposedly, her agent "aka her dad" was watching the game and made it happen. What a way to sell out your daughter! I guess her record sales have been so weak, he had to do something.

Posted by: BT | November 27, 2006 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Unless he goes in motion and intercepts the snap while Campbell is in the shotgun it's going to be a little difficult for Lloyd to "just make a play" if the ball isn't thrown in his direction.

Posted by: Moe from Richmond | November 27, 2006 7:02 PM | Report abuse

What on Earth is Steve Young wearing???

Posted by: P Diddy | November 27, 2006 7:04 PM | Report abuse

They gave him the 1st throw of JC's Career last week, and look what happened. Perfect throw BTW. But, it is too early to tell, but we may have brought ourselves another 50/50.....

I like Deep Cover, as well..........

Posted by: 4th Floor | November 27, 2006 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Points taken not archu about jimoh

Regardless,

Maybe I have been listening to Doc Walker too much but why does someone have to write an article that calls people out to motivate these professionals to do their job. The d should be swarming to the ball all the time like they have been all along and being "savages". It's about personal pride they showed up more yesterday then they have all year long. Who's fault is that the coaches or the players?

Posted by: calebt17 | November 27, 2006 7:05 PM | Report abuse

calebt17, just because these guys make millions, play a fun game, and get all the girls (including, apparently, Jessica Simpson) doesn't mean they are in any way different than the rest of us in our jobs. Sometimes you just need a kick in the butt.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 27, 2006 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Steve Young looks like a salmon in a suit.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 27, 2006 7:09 PM | Report abuse

I'll never tell.....

Posted by: Deep Cover | November 27, 2006 7:10 PM | Report abuse

What a way to sell out your daughter! I guess her record sales have been so weak, he had to do something.

LMAO!!! Now that one was funny. I like Deep Cover.

Posted by: jm220 | November 27, 2006 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Diddy, you hit the nail on the head. That's one of the most mystifying things for fans of pro sports: given the fairytale lives we imagine the players lead, why don't they play that way (as well as I think they can and should, that is, at the very maximum of their abilities) on every play of every game?

Again, I don't care whether the Friend article had a little or a lot of effect, I care about the result of the game, a win instead of the loss I expected, and I hope whatever spirit motivated the team to that win carries over to the next game.

And I hope we wear our true and proper uniform again. Say it with me: white jerseys with burgundy pants.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | November 27, 2006 7:19 PM | Report abuse

here is something i wanted to point out about this unIDed source.

if you've noticed the qoute in the article is actually pretty good english for an nfl player. usually these guys make tons of mistakes, especially when speaking in past tenses.

now one guy that doesn't make a lot of mistakes in his talk is Sean Springs. Is there anybody else?

of course the author may have changed the actual words and just put it in his own words

Posted by: thor | November 27, 2006 7:25 PM | Report abuse

I am sure that the source(s) for the Friend article are pissed off player(s) who have a grudge for one reason or another. But does that invalidate what they are saying?

I don't think it matters much who the player is that talked to Friend so openly. The big picture theme of the Friend article is that there is disfunction at Redskins Park, and has been for many years. Right now the situtation on defense is the clearest sign of this - but not the only sign: offense "identities," owner image problems regarding player negotiations (see JLaC's previous posting), no independent process of evaluating and picking talent (i.e. no GM - see countless Wilbon articles on this subject in the Post archives). And so on.

I think the 20-23 record that the 'skins have posted over the last 2 1/2 years has not been because of one pissed off player. The fact that the cornerback coach and safety coach did not hold any meetings together for the first five games of the season (absolutely crazy and unheard of in pro football) is not because of one pissed off player. That is a coaching flaw - A BIG one - and this information fits nicely with how much the 'skins secondary has been SHREDDED through the first eight games of the season.

To me, the problems at Redskins Park run a lot deeper than one player. And fixing them is going to take much more than one article, or one good game against a decent team.

Posted by: Rennypolis | November 27, 2006 7:26 PM | Report abuse

I think JLaC commented on the grammar/quote thing a long time ago. He said he sometimes cleans it up so as not to embarass a player. Not sure what the deal is with Deep Cover, but I'm not sure the quality of the quotes is particularly relevant.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 27, 2006 7:27 PM | Report abuse

thor - i don't think that "deep cover" is Springs. I think that it has to be a starter, but maybe someone like Griffin or Salave'a who are hardnosed players who don't like all of the bs going on around them.

Posted by: BT | November 27, 2006 7:28 PM | Report abuse

On the other hand "deep cover" could be a coach.

Posted by: BT | November 27, 2006 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Joe in Raleigh - I honestly don't mind the leak because it shed some light on why things have been going the way they have. I'm sure Gibbs and Co. would've rather not had to deal with it, but hey, start winning and this kind of thing won't happen.

Posted by: Posse Redux | November 27, 2006 7:40 PM | Report abuse

BT,

Definitely NOT Cornelius Griffin or Big Joe....

Posted by: Lisa | November 27, 2006 8:05 PM | Report abuse

my bet is still prioleau as deep cover. he's the only one with time on his hands to bother doing this. might have felt bad for his peeps, who knows . . .

On another note, I'd love to see da reaper LaVar ron mexico into next season, can't wait . . .

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | November 27, 2006 8:08 PM | Report abuse

On the other hand "deep cover" could be a coach
-------------

That would make the pool too large.
Looks like we need someone who is closer to the scene to give us some leads.

JLaC, what say you?

Posted by: thor | November 27, 2006 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Lisa - You may not think that they could be deep cover, but who knows. You can't say "definitely" unless you know who it is. Well...

Posted by: BT | November 27, 2006 8:11 PM | Report abuse

FYI. tom friend interview is posted on 980 website, for those of us who live outside the DC area . . .

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | November 27, 2006 8:13 PM | Report abuse

What does everyone think of trading portis for some good draft picks to rebuild the D and letting Betts and Duckett carry the load.

This would be a feasible trade and could reap huge benfits for years to come.

I think Portis is a very talented running back but true redskin football is smash mouth and lets face it Portis cant hold up to that kind of running.

IMO

Posted by: warren n detroit | November 27, 2006 8:19 PM | Report abuse

warren n detroit

Don't see that going down nor do I think they should trade Portis. You have to remember with Campbell in there now. There won't be as much 8 in the box as it was with Brunell. Which means CP won't take as many hits at the line.

Posted by: jm220 | November 27, 2006 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Yes, 8k, short of wishing physical harm on him, I do think Vick is in for a karmic beat-down after he re-imagineered the Dirty Bird. And who better to provide this comeuppance than #21?

The word of the day will be containment, because with those receivers it should be much harder for Vicky to get downfield with his arm than with his legs. (I'm having flashbacks to my first trip to JKC/FedEx, when a young Donovan McNabb juked Mark Carrier out of his cleats. Nothing like that this Sunday, please.)

Oh, but they do have that one fellow, Mr. Crumpler. We'll need someone on him who actually cares to cover.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | November 27, 2006 8:26 PM | Report abuse

JLaC:

I think you knew all of this was going on but it must be difficult for a beat reporter to break a story like this since you have to be with these guys every day.

Tell the truth, this is the kind of story that only someone who doesn't cover the teams day-to-day can break . . .

No wonder there's a big unsaid no comment on this topic . . .totally understandable . . .

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | November 27, 2006 8:26 PM | Report abuse

nate:

I will puke all over myself if ashlie lelie gets behind the safeties, as for crumpler, he's the real deal but I think our backers may be able to cover him. I'm more worried about the stretch play they run that really forces everyone to be in their gap on defense. This will be a real test on how our run D has improved...

if da reaper doesn't get to Vick, he should at least knock W. Dunn into next week. He still owes us for that fluke fumble recovery in Tampa that killed D Green's chances of going to a 4th SB . . .isn't it great to have something to look forward to again?

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | November 27, 2006 8:32 PM | Report abuse

The redskins have to release the duck on the falcons. I see Counter treys in Sundays game plan. Please leave the gimmick plays on page 699 of that play book saunders. get back to power football.

The redskins will have to put a spy on vick, the perfect spy would be Taylor.

Does anyone remember the pre-season game from a couple of years ago when the skins roughed up Vick. I hope Greg goes back and reviews that tape.

Pressure will force Vick to either run and with a spy like Taylor get his head taken off or he will try and throw the ball which will most likely end up incomplete or better yet an interception.

Posted by: warren n detroit | November 27, 2006 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Re: Tom Friend article, and JLaC's lack of reaction to it:

"I think you knew all of this was going on but it must be difficult for a beat reporter to break a story like this since you have to be with these guys every day. Tell the truth, this is the kind of story that only someone who doesn't cover the teams day-to-day can break . . .No wonder there's a big unsaid no comment on this topic . . .totally understandable . . ." - skinsfan@8KaboveMSL

I think JLaC has been a really good reporter for the WaPo on the 'skins. But I don't think he knew these details (like the corners and safties all meeting separately most for the year). He might have known generally about the vibe on defense being different (and has in fact written about that with Howard Bryant several times this year already), but I am sure he did not know the details. Otherwise, he would have reported them. Hey, he has a career too!

That said, it don't matter now who broke the story - its out there and has a life of its own. The story is a news item itself, with so many people reacting to it, and now JLaC needs to react to it as the designated Redskins blogger for the Washington Post.

Posted by: Rennypolis | November 27, 2006 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Renny:

"Hey, he has a career too!"

...which entails wiritng articles daily. There is little that the skins can do to affect Tom Friend's day-to-day, heck he's got 31 other teams to cover, who cares if he gets shut out for the next 6 weeks?

JLaC on the other hand . . .

Like you said, he has a career too . . .

which is why my bet is on a continuous, silent "no comment" . . .

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | November 27, 2006 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Skinsfan,

Yeah, I think you may be right. I can definitely see that JLaC has an interest in not kicking up too much dirt on the 'skins as beat reporter for the WaPo.

However, now the story is out there. As Redskins Insider blogger, he can - and should - report this as a media item of great interest to the "Redskins Nation." He can do this without endorsing the article. And he should do it, because it is a really big deal.

Posted by: Rennypolis | November 27, 2006 9:07 PM | Report abuse


Don't care who he is!
Just glad that Deep Cover went
And leaked his guts out.

Posted by: HaikuMan | November 27, 2006 9:15 PM | Report abuse

vanderjagt just got cut... future redskin?

Posted by: syrskins | November 27, 2006 9:34 PM | Report abuse

please no to vanderjerk...he's a cancer...although he does kick his guts out

Posted by: cosmofla | November 27, 2006 9:40 PM | Report abuse

No to VanderJERK

Posted by: seriousskinsfan | November 27, 2006 9:42 PM | Report abuse

There was not a word in that article that I did not know. I had reported all of the real info in that story last week and planned to get together witht he defensive coaches early this week to get their take on it before writing it.
I got beat to the punch, but I also can not write a one source story like that and not thoroughly report it given the standards of my beat and my newspaper.
It's something that will tick me off until the day I die, but that's the way it goes sometimes.
So that's why I am not

Do those quotes speak to the overall state of the defense - no, they were much more venemous than what I gathered from several players last week. But the details about the meetings, the frigid relationship between Gray and Jackson, the internal issues with Williams, some of the poor dynamicsw coming to light and some of the technique issues I spoke to many people inside and outside of the organization about last week.
I had planned to put it togethet this week. I suck.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | November 27, 2006 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Please stop using other people's name. It not funny and really childish.

Posted by: jm220 | November 27, 2006 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Tom Friend on John Riggins show:

"offense is not the problem, Defense has been the problem..."

Just how bad you ask? I finished pulling together a comparison of the first 11 games of last year to the first 11 of this year and found a few interesting nuggets.

Caveat: this stuff is diffcult to do w/o the NFL equivalent of the bloomberg terminal, so, no, it is not all emcompassing and doesn't paint the full picture.

FWIW . . .

Possesions
2005 - 126
2006 - 106
delta: 20 more possesions at this point of the season in 2005 - equivalent to more than a whole game more than this year.

Plays
2005 - 718
2006 - 654
delta: 64 fewer plays run by the offense this year - about 1 fewer game from a reps perspective

Total Points Scored
2005 - 217
2006 - 193
delta: 24 fewer total points scored this year - about a *good* game's worth again


So I look at all these stats and remember that the defense did a great job last year of giving the ball back to the offense only to have the offense go 3 and out.

Next thing that comes to mind is that last year's offense wound up being a better offense because they got a lot more in-game reps in and got better towards the end of the season. So I go and look at another stat...

Points scored in first 30 plays:
2005 - 68
2006 - 80
delta: as bad as it has seemed, this year's offense actually has outperformed last year's by 12 points early in games.

makes me wonder what this offense could do if it got the ball back like last year's.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see . . .

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | November 27, 2006 9:53 PM | Report abuse

I got beat to the punch

yes, you did. it happens to the best of us.

I suck.

suck it up and keep your chin up. there'll be more days.

btw jason, are you insinuating that deepSkin came to you also? or are you saying that the info in that article was known to everyone on the beat?

Posted by: dealer | November 27, 2006 9:59 PM | Report abuse

thanks to whoever mentioned the sean taylor footage on youtube, i had no idea that stuff was out there and i think i just killed about an hour watching this guy. it's better than watching the packers-seahawks

Posted by: syrskins | November 27, 2006 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Conner Hughes for PK. Kicked well for UVA for years. Maybe Racquetball Partner has his phone number.

Posted by: 4zsknz | November 27, 2006 10:05 PM | Report abuse

JlaC,

you don't suck! I'm sure your article would have been much better, and it's definitely not a bad thing to work for an organization that has higher standards than ESPN.

Posted by: RedEd | November 27, 2006 10:08 PM | Report abuse

jm220 is right, that is not jason's post and yes it is childish . . .

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | November 27, 2006 10:11 PM | Report abuse

How do the Redskins spell Super Bowl?

V-A-N-D-E-R-J-A-G-T!

Posted by: R. Snyder | November 27, 2006 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Jason, there still must be some other good coherent narrative to tell about the defense. I hope the ESPN guy didn't scoop everything out of your story (but I'm sure St. Joe would tell you, "he scooped his guts out there"). When I read your post just now, I could only envision Fletch on the beat trying to get his story out. Oh well, some days you get the bear, some days the bear gets you. [It just sucks when you have the bear's old job and he still has what should be your Rolodex. Damn bears.]

Posted by: dcsween | November 27, 2006 10:26 PM | Report abuse

btw Jason, your professionalism is showing by acknowledging you knew ALL that stuff, which demonstrates you probably also have a good idea about the idea of Deep Cover, but still you hold back on revealing his identity.

You know, I'm not really sure that Deep Cover is the best name, esp. given the quality of the pass coverage provided until yesterday. Whoever it was, though, I'm pretty sure St. Joe would acknowledge the source plays his guts out. To me, this sounds like the voice of Deep Guts.

Posted by: dcsween | November 27, 2006 10:31 PM | Report abuse

JLaC,

Sorry to hear that.

So now that you're bitter, are you going to get back at them by revealing the Deep Guts' (i like this name better) ID?
come on JLaC, talk to us.

btw, was listening to Gibbs presser and he mentioned something about a possibility of taking a look at someone else for the kicker. did somebody say V...?

Posted by: thor | November 27, 2006 10:39 PM | Report abuse

JLaC,

Its interesting to hear that you had been working on this same story, and its good that you work with higher standards at the Post. Don't worry about someone coming out first with it, you'll get your share of scoops along the way.

The point I was making was: why no _blog_ post about this yet? This is exactly what a blog is for, and here you have an advantage. You can still go over the story in the blog through your postings, adding insight and depth to the single source article (although Friend claims he has several sources). Now you can focus on analysis and interpretation instead of being first.

Blog on with your bad self!

Best,

Rennypolis

Posted by: Rennypolis | November 27, 2006 10:44 PM | Report abuse

The most interesting aspect of the Friend article to me is that the source seems to be speaking the truth! I don't think most people here are shocked by it's contents either. As far as the identity of the leaker is concerned, my intuition was that it was an intelligent veteran player not some second or third year player or a backup - at least not a career backup...lol. I admit I did not parse every phrase, however, as I have a life.

Go Campbell...so far so good! Time will tell, but for those discrediting his performance yesterday his "number one" receiver yesterday was Lloyd - Moss is NOT right yet and his running back is Ladell Betts who is no CP. He WON the game against a very decent team! Think Brunell would have been victorious yesterday?

PS - All the chatter of who posts what and when is so silly. It's a blog not a chat room!!! Meaning you post your own opinions, thoughts, and frustrations. Who cares what happened before or after! You think you own topics here? Enough....G'night!

PSS - Some guy who plays QB for Dallas and has won a few games in his career does not need to be mentioned except that he lost to US!!!!

Posted by: Robert Phillips | November 27, 2006 11:01 PM | Report abuse

amazing how this blog turned out to be so huge for us skins fans....i never envisioned spending so long catching up on one entry. goodness.

patiently waiting for tomorrow's articles to come up so i can read them and pass out

Posted by: k-man | November 27, 2006 11:21 PM | Report abuse

I meant to mention that although Novak has not been stellar this year he was very accurate as a temp kicker for us previously. I'm not saying he is THE answer, but I don't know who else you get out there that is better and I remember a kicker named David Akers whom we gave up on too early before. Please don't mention the overpaid egomaniac who Dallas just cut! We have enough of those types of players on the team already.

Posted by: Robert Phillips | November 27, 2006 11:25 PM | Report abuse

I got beat to the punch

No matter what, you still rawk.

Posted by: Megskin | November 27, 2006 11:54 PM | Report abuse

We still love you JLaC :-)

Posted by: P Diddy | November 28, 2006 12:04 AM | Report abuse

I can add nothing intelligent, funny or original about the Friend article or Deep Guts/Cover.

So I shall go for the stupid comments.

Do you suppose Romo has to tell Jessica that his coach isn't actually a tuna?
Or that there aren't actually any pigs in the football?

I think I'm delirious and tired but if he is dating Jessica Simpson and his coach is the Tuna well I'm sorry but I just think we have to call him Chicken of the Sea from now on. I think he's playing great and all but it's too good to pass up plus it may just drive SOME PEOPLE CRAZY.

PS J-La great post today on the game my brother. Even though we've spent 12 hours contemplating who Deep Cover is your break down was A++.

Posted by: sfskin | November 28, 2006 12:18 AM | Report abuse

sfskin:

Tony Romo=COTS!!!!

LMAO. We should never use his given name again, plus the ocassional southern blog crasher will have no idea of what's going on . . .Brilliant!!!!!

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | November 28, 2006 12:23 AM | Report abuse

R. Philips,

"PS - All the chatter of who posts what and when is so silly. It's a blog not a chat room!!! Meaning you post your own opinions, thoughts, and frustrations. Who cares what happened before or after! You think you own topics here?"

I totally agree - regarding us readers. We, as readers, can comment on whatever we like within the WaPo blog comment rules, no restrictions, no need to "catch the early boat." Right on.

However, The editor of this blog - JLaC - is not like us regular readers. He is paid by WaPo to write about the Redskins as a beat reporter for the team. He therefore has a responsibility that we do not: to report newsworthy items.

Considering the local attention it has generated on radio talk shows (the John Thompson show today) and TV (Comcast Postgame Live on this past Sunday), this Tom Friend article now certainly qualifies as a newsworthy item for the Redskins Insider blog, and the only discussion of this article has been buried within the comment sections of non-related posts.

So...where's the beef?

Posted by: Rennypolis | November 28, 2006 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Deep Cover can't be exposed. Plus I don't think JLa wrote the comment about sucking, pretty soon we will need some special red text on his name to know it's really him.

I suspect he's walking on a few eggshells since the whole calling on the carpet by Danny. It's been made painfully clear that Ashburn reads the blog, so all the more reason for a red text JLA signature, and more careful posting on his part.

The McIntosh story has to get bigger though, especially if Vick and company rumble at Fed-Ex. Holdman is not the long term answer, so to me, the team would at least want to evaluate Rocky before the draft to see if they need to reload again at that spot.

Lloyd is just not making plays. Supposedly he was all about acrobatic catches, but I don't see that. Also, when a player is not producing, and the coaches think it's not his fault, they usually big him up on other aspects like blocking, being super smart, running great routes, studying film, taking extra practice, I don't hear any of that, which means he is not making plays to get visibly open and is starting to drop passes.

Posted by: Lawrence_Fishburn | November 28, 2006 12:38 AM | Report abuse

>>> "Do you suppose Romo has to tell Jessica that his coach isn't actually a tuna? Or that there aren't actually any pigs in the football?"

That is so brilliant! Love it.

Oh, God, why do I always fall for the dumb ones? :-)

Chicken of the Sea is also brilliant, and I move for a BLAW that calls for us to henceforth refer to Tony Romo as COTS.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 28, 2006 1:42 AM | Report abuse

After a night of sleeping on it, I changed my mind about the identity of Deep Guts. The one person who talks about being a teamer ("we") other than St. Joe is none other than the de facto asst head coach and general manager, and very well spoken, Clinton Portis. Money in the bank.

Posted by: dcsween | November 28, 2006 7:31 AM | Report abuse

dcsween

How did you come up with CP? No it's going to be a D player.

Posted by: jm220 | November 28, 2006 7:42 AM | Report abuse

So am I the only one wondering what play Saunders and Gibbs were trying to get JC to call before the static got too intense? Did anyone ask Gibbs this in the press conference because I didn't see anything in the paper on this. If they wanted to call a different play than JC called, might the Skins be better off with JC calling his own plays?

Posted by: Dsmac | November 28, 2006 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Dsmac,

Even though Deion Sanders is a flaming idiot, he suggested that perhaps Mmm Mmm Good might want to keep calling his own plays because the ones being called for the Skins "ain't that good." LOL

I think it's a little premature for such things, but it's nice to know Mmm Mmm Good won't have a break down and cost us delay of game penalties or time outs (a la Ocho Stinko) because he can't get the play call. Taking charge is a reassuring (and yummy) trait in a QB.

Posted by: JustMe | November 28, 2006 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Dsmac,

Saunders was asked last night about the call Campbell made and if that was the actual true call - he said it "was close" -then smiled and said "it worked - we got a TD."

Posted by: Lisa | November 28, 2006 8:51 AM | Report abuse

I really hope no donkey's are posting under JLC. Talk about ruining the integrity...

Lisa - yeah right. AS was calling a 47 slam screen or a 40 gut draw. Just made those up btw, but they sound cool.

COTS...hilarious. If I see one more Hi-def commercial of DD I'm ingesting boiling plastic.

PG

Posted by: Pub Golf | November 28, 2006 9:20 AM | Report abuse

jm220, I just re-evaluated my assumptions. I started with the assumption that it had to be a defender, but really all of that material could have been from the types of conversations that veteran leaders would have in the locker room. CP is the kind of guy who, when he says "we", literally speaks for "us". He is the flip side of the Skins brand. Other than St. Joe, no one else comes close to having universal credibility based on the confidence of players. [I spout all of this based on absolutely nothing other than my perceptions and fantasies about myself as an arm chair GM.] And like I said, other than St. Joe, CP is the only guy in uniform who comes close to being the face of the Skins, so why not the voice? He's had a rocky relationship with Saunders. Maybe he's taken it upon himself to balance out the blame game among the coaches -- everyone knows about the struggles within Saunders' system. Maybe CP is thinking "hey, its not JUST the O that has struggled in the 'system'".

Anyway, interesting Wilbon column today about Vick. Like coaches, I worry about Vick. He is the PROTOTYPE of a see saw player ... and he is coming off of two big losses after two big wins (earlier in the season, the see saw changed every game, not every two). If I'm game planning for defense, I think that "key off the QB, not the receivers" is how to play Vick ... so that the Reaper teaches him what it really means to be a rusher instead of a passer.

Jason, any chance we get Wilbon to be a "guest blogger" one day?

Also, I see that the line coach has thrown a yellow flag on Jason La C for (1) establishing a BLAW yesterday about not talking about the playoffs and then (2) writing a column today that comes very close to talking about the playoffs. The refs upstairs are reviewing the play to see if blog rules are different than beat reporter rules; they might just call it unsportsman-like.

Posted by: dcsween | November 28, 2006 9:27 AM | Report abuse

JLC, can you please do an article comparing Jason Campbell and Tony Romo? I love the fact that Campbell seems to be pretty humble, unlike the cocky Romo. Jason doesn't need to date celebrities, seems like the type who would probably marry his high school sweetheart (who "was the f**kin prom queen!" "The Rock," anyone??) Anyway, some stats comparison would be cool too. Thanks!

Posted by: MaybeNotBradyIn07 | November 28, 2006 9:31 AM | Report abuse

dcsween You do make some good points.

MaybeNotBradyIn07

Not sure if is fair to compare COTS to Campbell right now. COTS played more games and been in the system/league for 4 years.

Posted by: jm220 | November 28, 2006 9:40 AM | Report abuse

i remember reading an article about a month or so ago where Clinton Portis was complaining how banged up he is, how his body was hurting from all those hits and how his shoulder wasn't completely heeled.

I beleive the article was by JLaC but can't find it anywhere.

has anybody else read it, do you remember where it was?

i'm searching my guts out but can't find it

thanks

Posted by: thor | November 28, 2006 9:44 AM | Report abuse

dcsween, the flag was thrown and it was an unsportsman-like penalty for 15 yards....but they called it on #21. Go figure.

Posted by: WrongDog | November 28, 2006 9:49 AM | Report abuse

When I take a look at COTS, I can only think of one word "Goober." The ironic thing about that is I never use that word and haven't really thought about using it since Middle School.

I guess COTS just personifies the word and I just can't think of another word to discribe him.

Posted by: BT | November 28, 2006 9:51 AM | Report abuse

jm220 give it a rest Campbell is just another shuler,ferotte,ramsey until he proves different.your evaluation of talent is terrible and your one of those fans who make us look stupid!

Posted by: max | November 28, 2006 9:52 AM | Report abuse

max

Max go back and read my points on Campbell. I said he look good and want to see progress Progress every week. What would be stupid is to compare a person that just got into the league to one that been in the league for four years. Would it be fair to judge you at a new job compared to someone that's been there for years? The answer to that question is no. So the only thing that is stupid is to compare the two QB at this point. We really don't know if COTS or Campbell are going to be good after a couple of games. But what do I know because I am stupid right. BTW I was never sold on shuler, ferotte, ramsey, brunell, or eli.

Posted by: jm220 | November 28, 2006 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Minor suggestion. How about Chicken Little Of The Sea. I find 'CLOTS' to be much funnier - but maybe that's because I have a British sense of humor to me. Not that CLOTS has been doing much screaming about the sky falling, of course....

As to "Cover Deep", "Deep Blanket", or whatever nom de guerre we choose to annoint Tom Friend's source with - I'm not entirely sure who it is, but I choose not to speculate too deeply. Whichever player (or players, as I duly suspect) came out, did so anonymously as to avoid the label of 'disruptive player'. Given the Inquisition-like weeding out of non-character players, I imagine it's a bit job-threatening to be coming out of the shadows.

We could speculate endlessly on whom it is. How neatly the premise of the article dovetails in with what's been happening on the field should remain the bigger concern.

Posted by: FlimFlam | November 28, 2006 10:06 AM | Report abuse

If you want to see a nasty Sean Taylor hit, go to you tube and search under "Sean Taylor introducing himself"

It's painful...

Posted by: BT | November 28, 2006 10:06 AM | Report abuse

jm220:

"Not sure if is fair to compare COTS to Campbell right now."

agreed. it would be more interesting to compare soups to cutler after they've both been at it for a couple of years. curious to see if Denver made the right decision by not taking soups - who totally fits their offense with is mobility and strong arm - and then having to trade up the next draft to get cutler.

conversely, also interested in figuring out if the redskins did the right thing by taking him when they did, given that they were not likely to be able to trade up high enough in last year's draft to get similar QB value as someone pointed out in a previous thred last week.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 28, 2006 10:13 AM | Report abuse

forgot to sign previous post

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | November 28, 2006 10:16 AM | Report abuse

BT:

maybe sean will make us forget Lavar . . .vicious hit!!!

had to click on next one that comes up posted by some dude named mossEM21 and that one also has a vicous hit da reaper delivered on tatum bell in the denver game last year. I was at the game sitting behind teh broncos end zone and it was a sight to see t. bell get knocked back 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage . . .

maybe we'll see a replay of that on sunday with wdunn . . .one can only hope.

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | November 28, 2006 10:24 AM | Report abuse

did anyone hear gibbs call JC "slow". i found that funny since i was trying to put my finger on what the hell was so different about him from all other nfl players. i would've used "calm". the boy flows like water. smoooooooooth. no highs no lows. just flows. i really hope it works out for him here. it'd be such a cool thing to watch someone like that be successful.

i can't think of one qb who's like him. i don't rember DW #17 being like him either.

oops. sorry just rembered one barry sanders(rb). and no, i'm not comparing his skills, importance to barry sanders just his demeanor (at such a critical position).

i think the best description i've heard of him(JC) comes from mike sellers when he described him as having Old Soul.

i like cots. seems like a fun guy. hopefully he won't be a bust like archie's boy's brother. and hopefully he likes his next coach and the coach believes in him and hopefully next time he can shake off dropped passes when he's playing the skins.

Posted by: dealer | November 28, 2006 10:26 AM | Report abuse

pg, you know what's worse than the DD commercial? the edited version. they cut out the only good part of that commercial...

Posted by: dealer | November 28, 2006 10:29 AM | Report abuse

There is only one name for the whistle blower and that is "Foreskin"

We need not have any discussion on that.

Posted by: Skinz | November 28, 2006 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Comparing Romo to JCampbell isn't really quite right. Campbell's closest contemporary would be Aaron Rodgers at Green Bay, picked just before him. Same deal, only Favre hasn't been pulled like Brunell. Rodgers only played two games. Won the first, lost the second. He is out for the season with a broken ankle. Alex Smith (SF) started too soon. We saw what happened there. That year other QBs including Charlie Frye (who started right away too, but with better results than Alex Smith), and Andrew Walter (talk about a dream job ... backing up Aaron Brooks at Oakland), who stunk up the joint. The only other guy with real playing time was Kyle Orton, who had some surprising games last year for Chicago, but will probably ride pine as Rex Grossman starts to develop into the player he was picked to become (behind a pretty good O-line).

Posted by: dcsween | November 28, 2006 10:36 AM | Report abuse

lisa, saunders' never been high on JC. rember the preseason interview? the cool thing to do is to praise his qb. who the hell does he think he is???? hasn't won shti in this league (DV boys, DV and mike martz.). can't even see a super duper running back in LJ till it's too late. and of course the person who brought him here should be fired immediately.

Posted by: dealer | November 28, 2006 10:36 AM | Report abuse

While I'm being ridiculous... how about "Throwit Deep"?

Posted by: FlimFlam | November 28, 2006 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Thor - Don't try to change my legacy of officially naming name of Deep Cover - trademark # 223498345.

2nd - JLaC - You mentioned the P word in your article today. Don't do it again. We can't do it in the blog, how can you do it in the paper. Also, please give us additional info or background on Deep Cover.

3rd - John from Herndon - was that you they qouted in today's paper (take a look, pg.2)?

4th - I am definitely starting to think it was an LB. Particuly #98 or #56. Anyone else?

Hail to the Redskins!
Hail to the Redskins!
Hail to the Redskins!

Posted by: 4th Floor | November 28, 2006 10:42 AM | Report abuse

>>> "Jason doesn't need to date celebrities"

What's the fun in that? Yeesh. Dating celebrities is fun and educational.

I like COTS, too, despite my fondness for the nickname.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 28, 2006 10:48 AM | Report abuse

the whining and jealousy on this blog is pathetic.I hope you guys dont believe half the stuff you blog.And if ROMO was doing terrible jm220 would be the first to compare him to Campbell.They have a hell of a QB and as Redskin fans we had better be concernd.You blogers are doing exactly what you are yelling at mgt for doing(over & under rating players)for this team and theyres.Im tired of fans like you making the rest of us look like FOOLS!We need to rebuild the right way and take our lumps.Afterall isnt that what weve been doing since 1991?

Posted by: pissed off skin fan | November 28, 2006 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I meant #53 instead of 56. SORRY!

Posted by: 4th | November 28, 2006 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Romo and Campbell are different, I agree that each QB needs more of a contemporary to be compared to.

Cambell is humble, but this team needs that right now, it also needs a fire so seeing some emotion come out of him would be nice.

Romo however, is a confident bastard, but look at what he has to deal with. The cowboys are in playoff race, and results are expected every game, he is not being judged as a rookie by his coach, and his team is full of people that want to make it every game. If he wanted to be some humble nice guy, I doubt he would last under the heavy fire parcells would put him under. The whole Jessica Simpson stuff has nothing to do with how he plays. I say it is pretty unfair to judge an athlete because of his personal dating life.

Posted by: nfc east sucks | November 28, 2006 10:53 AM | Report abuse

pissed of skin fan,

Relax, take a Xanax. I don't know what you think you are reading, but most of use are not whinning and most of us are not jelous. We are just having a good time with banter back and forth. If you are so pissed, go somewhere else and GET OVER YOURSELF.

Posted by: BT | November 28, 2006 10:55 AM | Report abuse

im obsesssed with Foreskin please jlc to be posting a blog about him!!1!1!!1

Posted by: Anonymous | November 28, 2006 10:56 AM | Report abuse

pissed of skins fan has a right to say what he wants. Everybody can drop by a blog and kick the can.

Redskins played a good guy, aided by the fact that Carolina couldn't find themselves, or get away from that conservative playcalling. But in this game, luck and skill goes together. If the ball bounces your way take it. Heck if the ball had bounced the other way a few times last sunday, we would be talking about how crappy this team still is. Every week just look forward to a new game.

Posted by: nfc east sucks | November 28, 2006 10:58 AM | Report abuse

pissed off skin fan

Take a deep breath. If you don't like what is being said here. Then move on no one is making you read or post here.

We need to rebuild the right way and take our lumps.

Base on that statement you agree we need to let Campbell play and see what we have in him. And if COTS was playing bad I still wouldn't compare the two.
And this is all the time I going to spend on you. It's only a game my friend.

Posted by: jm220 | November 28, 2006 10:59 AM | Report abuse

4th Floor, do you have a link?

Posted by: John From Herndon | November 28, 2006 11:04 AM | Report abuse

John from Herndon - It is in the actual Paper. I don't know if they put quotes on the website. Check pg. 2 of the sports section. They didn't put a name on it, but the quote from the blog was talking about your heart getting smashed up again. I forget the exact words, but remember reading the post.......

Posted by: 4th Floor | November 28, 2006 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Lisa,

Thanks for getting back to me on Saunders comments regarding the play Campbell called. I was just surprised I hadn't seen anything on this in the paper.

Posted by: Dsmac | November 28, 2006 12:09 PM | Report abuse

BT, SHUT!!! UP!!!! let PO'ed sf speak. he's brought up so many points that this blog has never brought up before. you're all idiots! you should listen to PO'ed who suggests blaming the org/mgmt!!!!! you all are "people who just follow like zombies" (WTF is that word!!!). i didn't know i was among such idiots.

now if you'll excuse me i'm going to make a phone call on 980 and suggest that the management is to blame for the skins problem since cook died. i bet that'll be news for them too. especially on "sports reporters" (9 to noon), brian mitchell show (12-3pm), john thompson's show on 3-7 pm.

btw, did you guys notice the attendance that jason(of this blog) quoted "85K" hmmmm i thought the stadium held over 90K? can it be?

Posted by: dealer | November 28, 2006 12:26 PM | Report abuse

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