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The view on the Redskins' season-opening loss from Washington Post columnists ...

Mike Wise focused on Jim Zorn's decision-making in yesterday's loss to the Giants:

Trickery certainly didn't work Sunday in this eyesore. I love the "Inspector Gadget" in Zorn, but until the very end of a miserable first half, he caught no one off guard, other than his own players.
His play-calling in the red zone didn't work, either.
With the ball at the 11-yard line at the end of the third quarter, not once was Campbell allowed to take a shot in the end zone -- in a physical scrum that almost demanded a touchdown instead of a field goal at that point.
And then there was the discipline issue, which Zorn was visibly upset about afterward.

Thomas "Boz" Boswell saw the big picture...and some literal and figurative red flags:

Has Jason Campbell improved dramatically in Jim Zorn's West Coast offense? Has Albert Haynesworth transformed the Redskins' anemic pass rush? Have the Redskins found a second wide receiver to open up their deep passing game? And has the broken offensive line, whose pass blocking collapsed late in '08, been fixed?
There's nothing definitive about any season opener. Still, early results were worthy of concern. None of these areas showed appreciable improvement. As a result, the Redskins fell behind quickly by 17 points and trailed by 13 with fewer than two minutes left to play. Seldom has a team's modest margin of defeat been more deceptively respectable.

Sally Jenkins writes about Albert Haynesworth's regular-season debut:

If Albert Haynesworth were just another guy, you'd say he did fine in his debut in a Washington uniform, even had a couple of big moments. But Haynesworth is not another guy -- he is a hundred million dollars and 350 pounds of bulk, and he had a lot of other moments when you never noticed him.
You scanned the field vainly, looking for that seismic impact and disruptive force he is supposed to bring. Too often when your eye found him, he was kneeling on the sidelines, his nostrils flaring.

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The view from New York focused on Osi Umenyiora, Justin Tuck and Mario Manningham. Ralph Vacchiano reports that, although he is having an MRI today, Hakeem Nicks is expected to be out two-to-three weeks with his sprained left foot. That's a preliminary diagnosis, though, and a lot will depend on whether he has what Maske and I call the dreaded Lisfranc injury (see: Brian Westbrook and the Eagles, circa 2005).

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Zorn will address reporters a little later today. ... There are a couple of chats on our site today: Cindy Boren at 11; Michael Wilbon at 3:15. ... Clive Owen plays a sportswriter in a movie coming out this fall? Clive Owen? Sportswriter? Really? If only ...

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Rocky McIntosh's tweet: @rockym52 Good morning back to the lab to see what went wrong yesterday..gotta fix it.have to add a little more pride and heart and we should have it

By Cindy Boren  |  September 14, 2009; 8:30 AM ET
 
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gah.,

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 14, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Jenkins is misguided as usual...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 14, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

= first, but who wants to be first in this mess??!!

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 14, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

I was harping on this fact last week on this blog:

The Redskins secondary will be the telling point of the season. Everyone seemed to think the O-Line is the question mark. Not true, the secondary is the question mark. The O-Line did very well against the best D-Line in the NFL. The secondary played horrible against one of the worst receiving corps in the league. D-Hall and Smoot looked like little leaguers out there. Pathetic.

Posted by: cj658 | September 14, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Yep, cj - it was pretty awful. There are secondary problems all over this league. I just hate to be counted among them. I do think BETTER COACHING is the answer, as the physical skills seem to be present.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 14, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

thought that the interior of the OL played well yesterday, same with doughty/horton, they seemed to be all over the field, ARE played well...keep that positive vibe going....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 14, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

After a night of sleep I still feel that Zorn needs to go. I bet we ran the ball any where from 90-95% on first down. I am starting to lean more towards it maybe time for a new QB.

Posted by: jm220 | September 14, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

CL last night was hillarious. nate is nowhere this good when drunk blogging.

after a night's sleep this is my conclusion: we're watching dead man coaching in zorn and deadman playing qb in jc. that's all i can say for sure this season. rest is up to danny.

from all the reports i'm hearing skins have a cupcake schedule next few weeks. i don't know anything about rams but detroit is much improved as they should be with all their high draft picks and a new organization....

Posted by: dealer1 | September 14, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

About the D backs. I really don't understand why our D backs are 10-15 yards off the wide outs on short yardage plays. There were a couple of times you couldn't even see them on the TV screen.

Posted by: jm220 | September 14, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone watched the after game press conferences?? What has JZ been saying in them regarding the offense? Have any reporters asked him why Kelly didn't get the ball more??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 14, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Here is my reaction.

The Oline looked terrible in the run game, 1 good run and then 2 yards and cloud of dust. Zorn needs to run to the right a bit its too predictable. We do need more young RB's but also need to invest in the lines.

Campbell looked, "okay" i mean the stats were okay, the DB's of NY were blanketing our WR's. When JC had the fumble, they showed a shot from behind JC, every WR we had running the routs was double covered.

I agree about the weird stuff with the D-schemes of Blanche. We are running what looks like a 1 LB/2 LB set every drive because we are using a down LB every play. It basically looks like we are in goal line formation every play. I don't mind the cushion the corners are giving too much, Rogers has shown to be elite over and over again, he shuts down the WR. But we need someone to step up opposite of him, and no one seems to know how to tackle.

Play calling was very predictable, conservative + a gimmick play here and there.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 14, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: alex35332 | September 14, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Jenkins article on Albert (after one game!) was as predictable as it was disappointing. No 'Skins fan (except maybe Snyder) is expecting AH to win games on his own. He neutralised Jacos up the middle, made a couple of tackles, including one for a loss, against one of the best O-Lines in the NFL.

Albert will make a big difference for us this year, whether he has big stats, or not.

'Skins to win the next three games.

Posted by: stevebeagrie | September 14, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

jm, yeah I don't get that either, especially when the giants had the wideouts that they did, why not press coverage....blache needs to step it up...

deal get that detroit crap outta here.....

which post was cl/nate drunk blogging on??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 14, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Man that was a tough game to watch...

Why does it always seem that the team is not prepared? Defense looked pretty bad, mainly the DB. Landry needs someone to tell him that the games are serious and not backyard ball @ moms house...I was embarassed for D. Hall's performance, he looked awful. The defensive scheme I thought was pretty weak, why are we always playing in what looks like a prevent defense, DB's are ten yards off the line and let the WR get to full speed, plus the TD to Manningham he audibled due them being so far off the WR. We always look ill prepared...offense looked putrid and boring as usual. I think anyone can see there is no belief in Campbell from the Skins, Zorn, anyone...It looked like they did not even want to play and also like they do not respect Zorn. Our defense did not still provide any pressure, I know Blache is pretty good, but it did not show against the Gints, who did look beatable.

Posted by: mhartz1 | September 14, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Actually, JCampbell didn’t play that bad. He made 2 HORRIBLE decisions, one of which cost us the game. If he simply steps up in the pocket, Uminyora gets nowhere close to him. If not for that play, Skins win. The Giants had trouble stopping our passing game. Should have kept at it. Play calling by JZ was questionable at times, but this one was on the players, PERIOD. To say JZ needs to go is hogwash. JZ was not out there missing tackles, and dropping balls.

In conclusion, this loss falls squarely on the shoulders of the secondary and Jason Campbell’s HUGE mistake. If you lay blame, that is where it should go. End of story.

Posted by: cj658 | September 14, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Boz wrote about the offensive line. I think it's improved in its pass protection for sure. I think it was awful in opening running lanes yesterday.

Posted by: CDon | September 14, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line, the Skins were unimpressive offensively, defensively, etc. I am afraid the team has taken on Zorn's personality, which is quite frankly bland. Cheers

Posted by: MPNangle | September 14, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Does LL remind anyone else of Roy Williams? something tells me he will cost us an important game before this year is over. I am predicting that LL will be reduced to running plays only (much like Roy Williams was) in 5 years unless some one can coach him up, which is possible just unlikely.

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 14, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Let’s keep this simple folks. You can draw one of two conclusions from the game:

Either the Giants are GROSSLY overrated, or the Skins are a decent football team. As much stupid mistakes the Skins made, they only lost by 6 points. Only time will tell.

Posted by: cj658 | September 14, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

really dealer, what did I say that was funny? I thought I was just venting.

Zorn blows. The coaching staff is clueless about two fundamental aspects of coaching team sports from pee-wee to retirement softball:

- You figure out ways to maximize the talent you have and do what the talent does well, regardless of your conceptual ideaology

- You diagnose your opponents weakness and and attack with a real time ability to adjust and make changes based on game feedback.

Jim Zorn: Epic Fail as the tweens say.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 14, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

cl, how you feeling this morning.....

agreed about exposing the other teams weakness, the giants basically were committing 2 people to moss, so after that you're playing 10 on 9. Again, not sure why we didn't come in throwing the ball all over the field.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 14, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

In conclusion, this loss falls squarely on the shoulders of the secondary and Jason Campbell’s HUGE mistake. If you lay blame, that is where it should go. End of story.

Posted by: cj658 | September 14, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

The play calling gets a piece of that blame pie.

Posted by: CBT2 | September 14, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Crushing. Revelatory.

Best 2 words to describe yesterday. It took all of 1 quarter to extinguish every last shred of optimism I had for his season.

I am now officially over JC and Zorn. Nice guys but I will no longer be sad to see them go. JC just looks clueless out there, after watching the Sanchez highlights from the Jets game, I can now see the Snyder and Vinny were COMPLETLY right on this one.

Zorn's playcalling was horrific. He has not improved one iota. At this point, he wouldn't even cut it as an OC, much less as a HC. Hell, I wouldn't even want him as a QB coach. His attitude and demeanor just suck...NO intensity whatsoever.

Frigging laid back West Coast powder puff, we need a MAN for this job. You better believe Cowher will not put up with that disgusting diplay we saw on the field yesterday...

Posted by: McMetal | September 14, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

So did the giants stop either the passes to Cooley, or ARE once all game?? If memory serves me they did not.....why they both didn't have 10 catches each I don't know....

dangit, this is frustrating...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 14, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins need to work this out. They may do much better next week against the rebuilding Rams, but, then again, the defense they face will be the same, albeit with less talent. The really depressing part is Philly and Dallas both played pretty well yesterday. If the Redskins continue to play the rest of the season like they did yesterday, then they won't win a game in the division.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 14, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

I would have liked to see Zorn open it up when we were backed up there in the 1st half. But no, he called 3 running plays. Why can't we just throw the ball 30-45 times a game like the eagles? Use the screen instead of a downhill attack...at least we play crappy teams coming up.

Posted by: BMACattack | September 14, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

I had the sense that running the ball was not going to work yet we kept doing it while the announcers kept talking about how beat up the giants secondary was. Yet, its like we kept playing to the giants big strength rather than going after their big weakness. Why? Seemed like just inexplicable play calling.

Posted by: will_ga | September 14, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone watched the after game press conferences?? What has JZ been saying in them regarding the offense? Have any reporters asked him why Kelly didn't get the ball more??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Someone needs to ask him that. I wonder if we are just trying to go to Moss to much.

Posted by: jm220 | September 14, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

I didn't see anything that would lead me to believe that the team is any better on offense than they were last year. JC still holds the ball way too long...the offensive call playing was horrible!...no pash rush to speak of at all. Seriously, Blanche should just phone it in from home, why even bother showing up to the game. How do these people still have a job??

Posted by: ralston21 | September 14, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

All posters who had the Redskins winning 9 games or more please stop posting and go back to school.

This is simply more of the same.

As long as danny has this team, the Redskins will be losers.

Keep lining his pockets. Keep losing.


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Posted by: oldnova | September 14, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone watched the after game press conferences?? What has JZ been saying in them regarding the offense? Have any reporters asked him why Kelly didn't get the ball more??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Someone needs to ask him that. I wonder if we are just trying to go to Moss to much.

Posted by: jm220 | September 14, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I was in and out of the game.

SOmetimes I got up and walked away from the TV in frustration; sometimes I was cooking dinner w/ one eye on TV. Please help me make sense of the following:

Pass-pro: Looked OK. I mean it is the Giants, so the pass-pro is never going to be great against these guys.

Run-block: Not very good. The RBs had to run through tacklers or make them miss at the line of scrimmage. Very little holes that got them to the 2nd level.

Campbell: Sucked. Both turnovers were his fault. Missed Moss badly on a deep throw. Never found Kelly. Another game of checkdowns to the slot and Cooley.

Receivers: WTH is up with Moss? Kelly was nonexistent. Interstingly enough, ARE excelled in the slot and caught alot of great balls underneath. Came back nicely from the opening drive gaffe where he took 10 yard loss. Cooley is Cooley.

RBs: Nothing special. Not many holes, but they certainly don't take the running game and put it on their shoulders either. Very pedestrian.

DLine: Ho-hum. I guess AH played alright, but he didn't play $100mill alright. Orakpo was a total non-factor as a pass-rusher.

LBs: London Fletcher

DBs: Very very very disappointing. Smoot and DHall looked pretty atrocious. LL30 still looks a step late on most plays (including tackling guys on sideline). Double Move got double-moved. What else is new.

Zorn: Same crap as last year. He talks about JC's brilliance and how much he's learned, but by his play-calling you can see clearly how little he trusts JC to carry a game. A wierd and ineffective mix of ill gadget-plays and conservative runs.

Posted by: p1funk | September 14, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

right because a losing team brings in more money than a winning team.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 14, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Use the screen instead of a downhill attack...at least we play crappy teams coming up.

Dude, our running game is based on an uphill attack.

Posted by: will_ga | September 14, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

oh, and D Hall will be a tackling liability all season. The dude seriously is afraid of contact. Is it too late to get Shawn Springs back?

Posted by: ralston21 | September 14, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

cl/greg, it was last night when you were talking about skins acting like they were winning the superbowl and then there was one right before that...

greg, detroit is america's team this year just like the yanks/mets were americas teams after 9/11 and saints were after catrina.

city of detroit needs something to feel good about. i've heard some really bad stuff, the unemployment, single family houses going for $10 grand, businesses shutting down. i won't be cheering for them against the skins of course but i will be cheering for them this whole season.

and am also cheering for michigan. you want to know what a QB can do to a game look at Tate Forcier's play against notre dame.

Posted by: dealer1 | September 14, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

After a night of sleep I still feel that Zorn needs to go...

Posted by: jm220 | September 14, 2009 8:50 AM


After the announcement he would be the coach I knew he needed to go...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 14, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

deal, Jansen was in active for the game yesterday, thats just wrong and you know it...no reason that he shouldn't be out there getting stafford concussed...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 14, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I was not drunk blogging last night...midly buzzed from a variety of "sedatives" but hardly wasted.

I feel great today, eccept hungover like a mofo from that wake up call of a game yesterday.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 14, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Anyone see how Jansen did yesterday? Did he play well?

Posted by: McMetal | September 14, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

OldNova,

I still can see the skins winning 9 games because of the schedule.

Its reasonable to see them going 2-4 in the division, 3-1 against the AFC and 4-4 against the NFC non-division. (or maybe 2-2 vs AFC and 5-4 vs NFC non-conf). How is that unrealisitc, put them against a team who is weak on D.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 14, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

cl, yeah, I hear ya, I don't drink, but someone have a headache/cotton mouth from that game......

mc, he was inactive...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 14, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Its one game

If they screw the pooch against the lambs then we can all jump off a bridge. for now lets stay medium

LL looked like crap though, predator and white boy looked much better than him

Heyer held up fine, which was my big concern

At least we didn't trade a kings ramsom for 4 picks (cutler)

Sally Jenkins is an idiot, fletch got free reign thanks to moneysworth.

That is all

Posted by: drewkinnear | September 14, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Oh right Deal, I was talking about how smug the team looked after scoring on a fake FG. Truly pathetic.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 14, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Who should be the next HC of the Redskins?
Shanahan, Holmgreen, Cower, Gruden, or any surprise candidates out there?

Posted by: alex35332 | September 14, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

What is the identity of the Skins' offense? I thought the west coast offense utilized the short passing game to maintain ball control, particularly with the slant pass? Where is the slant now that Skins have Kelly and Thomas? Seems to me that the Head Coach is flailing, hasn't a clue and is just hoping something works. Why else would he call that Randle El pass after that huge run from Portis, and that lousy WR screen first and goal from the 8?

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | September 14, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

drew, thats well thought out, and pretty well grounded to boot....agreed about heyer, I thought he held up pretty well, I think his potential isn't full reached yet...fletch had like 18 tackles didn't he....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 14, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

McMetal: Great post!! You are right on the money! We do not have a "LEADER" on or off the field. Time to make a change guys!
JC IS NOT THE MAN!! Z IS NOT THE MAN!! COULD BE BLACHE IS NOT THE MAN EITHER. ANY WAY I AM TIRED OF THE SAME OLD STUFF. New day same old team. Predictable as ever. No spark --no tackling-- no inovative play calling! Maybe we can play with the Panthers. They look just about as bad as we did. SKIN FAN FOR 55 YEARS NOW! Tired of same old stuff!! GET WITH IT SNYDER! I AIN'T GOT TOO MANY YEARS LEFT!!

Posted by: rayrayjay17 | September 14, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

alex, the real question should be who is going to be the next GM who will be in charge of selecting the next coach, or who is the coach that we want to have dual responsibilities: coaching and personnel.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | September 14, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

actually...i heard sonny ask zorn "you scored one offensive touchdown" and zorn's answer was "thank you.".

you can hear that clip on 980 i thnk.

then on washington times they have this:
when asked about the fumble play jason said "everyone's saying i held the ball too long, i guess they want me to throw into coverage..."

Posted by: dealer1 | September 14, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Notes to Zorn:

-More deep passes. You missed on the one to Moss, and then pulled the plug. It was there a few times, and JC doesn't need much time in the pocket to throw a rainbow down field.

-When a team is stacking the line against you it is a safe bet that they are blitzing. There are draws and delays that allow you to let the defenders push up field and then you can use their aggressiveness to your advantage. I remember a shotgun draw that Gibbs ran against the same defense that was particularly effective. Put it in the playbook.

-If a team is blitzing, sometimes the answer is to go away from max protection and use five receivers with the shotgun. The defense can't blitz and cover five guys at the same time. Somebody is going to get open and JC just has to make the fast read. Al Saunders did this to the Seahawks in the playoffs and it made them back off the blitzes. Look in the NFL dictionary under New England offense if you need more guiadance. You now have five wides: use them.

-When the defense is using bump and run coverage - slamming your receivers off their routes before they get started, you have to do something to free up your receivers. How about putting receivers in motion?

-There is this position on the field called fullback. Believe it or not, you can actually use this guy for something more than a sixth offensive lineman. He can catch little dink passes in the flat and yes, he can actually run the ball. I can tell you, New York was not even worrying about him. He could have snuck out into the flat at any time. This would be particularly useful when you go max protect and the defense doesn't blitz.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 14, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Who should be the next HC of the Redskins?
Shanahan, Holmgreen, Cower, Gruden, or any surprise candidates out there?

Posted by: alex35332 | September 14, 2009 9:23 AM


Russ Grimm. Yeah, I'll never stop beating that drum...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 14, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

things could be worse. look at carolina. didn't they just extend Delhomme for 40 million or something crazy like that?

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | September 14, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Drew, it ain't about the game, it's about the team. They've been doing this act for a long time & it's tired.

You won't win on luck and that's what this team wants to count on. All the false inspiration of a trick play working won't help you when you actually have to do your job, get a play off, score or tackle somebody...

This team is desperate and they play like it. They shouldn't be. They have decent talent, but it has to be managed properly. This does not seem to be the group to do that. And it starts from the top down...

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 14, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Bean's 8:04 post on the last thread says it all. Players will always make mistakes. But the play calling yesterday was atrocious. The ARE trick play after the big run, the end around to #11, and just about everything Zorn dialed up in the red zone plain sucked. That wide receiver screen needs to be put back in its box and hidden in the attic. It never works anymore.
Fat Albert seemed to do his job on D. And Rodgers looked good too. But the rookie vanished and the secondary still looks frightening to me. D.Hall is good for at least one very stupid play a game and now it looks like he's taken Landry under his wing. A sad, sad start.

Posted by: mack1 | September 14, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

dealer1, campbell is an idiot. he had a giant pocket to step up into, which would have bought him all the time in the world, but when you've got no presence in the pocket that's the kind of answer you get.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | September 14, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

The ARE gadget play was one of the dumbest calls I have seen in the NFL in a decade. First of all you run that play once the defense has been biting on your core plays. NOT the second snap of the season. Those plays work once you make the defense bend to your will. Of course the Ginas D was coming hard and would be in position. IT WAS THE SECOND PLAY OF THE YEAR!

Thought process should have been, "Hmm, we just gashed them with a core play that we have been drilling since the first mini camp, lets see if they can stop another one."

Truly retarted

Posted by: chrislarry | September 14, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

This teams game planing is very poor they look liked they were just flat out confussed! Zorns play calling sucks not agressive at all I get so sick of watching this team trying to run the ball when they can't. somebody should tell zorn that you can also open up the run with passing (Terrible Play Caller)I would love to see John Gruden Running this football team! Redskins fan are the tuffest in the world lots of drama and a bunch of losers!

Posted by: luckyus9160 | September 14, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

alex, the real question should be who is going to be the next GM who will be in charge of selecting the next coach, or who is the coach that we want to have dual responsibilities: coaching and personnel.Posted by: ZardsFan1 | September 14, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

I wish that could be the question, to me you dump Vinny C for Morocco Brown and this team will start moving in the right direction. But I don't see Danny Boy getting rid of his lover.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 14, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Treading water. The team got better but so did everbody else.

It's "Groundhog Day II" starring all of us as Phil Connors.

Who's Rita?

Posted by: SteveMG | September 14, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

rsh, switch fullback, with the other 3 receivers on the team, and I'll agree with you. Lets get the ball to Kelly/Thomas/Mitchell/Davis before we start throwing it to Sellers...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 14, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Ohh right the Grimm Drum. I forgot about that and am 100% behind it.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 14, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

i am wishing we had willis instead of LL. no disrespect to london

Posted by: drewkinnear | September 14, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

BeantownGreg1,
That's why I said they need to put the receivers in motion. Moss was getting squished off the line all day. He was taken out of his routes and eventually Campbell stopped looking for him.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 14, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I see there's lot of monday morning QBing going on -- well, at least it's Monday morning. Last I looked, the Giants didn't cover the spread -- which means there are a couple hundred thousand depressed gamblers out there this fine AM.

As far as the game, it looked like about 4 plays made the difference in final outcome. That may be the best team we see this regular season, playing at home. I don't know how much we can draw from this game, other than the Redskins are still not a really good club.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 14, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

I am for Shanahan being the next head coach. There will be no overhaul of personnel because he runs the same offense, albeit a little more intelligently.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 14, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

drew, I wish we had peterson....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 14, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

As much as I despise him, Deion made a good point about Carolina. He said Delhomme didn't even ask for money & got 20 mill guaranteed yet a real stud like Peppers gets nothing. The rest of the locker room can see they got issues & problems.

Posted by: will_ga | September 14, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

who played quarterback the last time the redskins beat the giants and the last time they made the playoffs? Todd Collins. he should start, this deal with campbell should end now.

Posted by: cavalieri10 | September 14, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Me, I've got Sanchez envy today. Anyone watch the Jets game? Sanchez looked pretty good for a rookie QB in his first game in an enemy stadium.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 14, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

touche

Posted by: drewkinnear | September 14, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

i am wishing we had willis instead of LL. no disrespect to london

Posted by: drewkinnear | September 14, 2009 9:33 AM


Willis is incredible. I'd give up the entire Redskins defense for that guy...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 14, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Moss, and Landry combined for a total of minus 24 yards.....that simply cannot happen...how moss got shut down/out by webster to me is still a mystery....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 14, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

who played quarterback the last time the redskins beat the giants and the last time they made the playoffs? Todd Collins. he should start, this deal with campbell should end now.

Posted by: cavalieri10 | September 14, 2009 9:40 AM

Please stop.

Posted by: mack1 | September 14, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Did you really have this game penciled in as a win in your predictions? Lets move on...We're not getting rid of anybody today. Hey, Ya gotta like Fletcher layin the wood on Jacobs early on.
HAIL SKINS

Posted by: myrtle_beach_fan | September 14, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Sign Jeff Garcia. West Coast veteran. Game manager. Our pass pro is good. Running game is fine (the NYG have the best d in the league and our passing game was not a threat because JC17 is incompetent and Zorn's playcalling is predictable). I've seen enough of JC17, blow it up. Sign Garcia and let's see what this team can do with someone who can make decisions at quarterback (ie not audible into a run play on 3rd and 8).

Some of this blame has to go to Zorn. I do not want to see that same stretch run play with Portis or the bubble screen to Santana Moss for at least two weeks. The whole NFL knows we run those plays, just stop it. Step outside the box and throw down the field! Let's see what the young guys can do! Put three, four, five wide out there. Run the two tight end offense you always blab about. Do something different, I beg you!

Posted by: brian58 | September 14, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Me, I've got Sanchez envy today. Anyone watch the Jets game? Sanchez looked pretty good for a rookie QB in his first game in an enemy stadium.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 14, 2009 9:41 AM

Most importantly, he has a coaching staff worth a shti. They can keep Sanchez if they give us Rex Ryan.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 14, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Sellers on the radio w/ Joey T. Some of his quotes.

1. "We're not good enough to overcome turnovers". I hate that statement. It seems defeatist to me.

2. "Everyone was mad in the locker room". "We felt we were going to win". I like both these statements

3. "J Camp was getting on people in huddle for messing up"...encouraging. "J Camp will be ok, he knows he needs to calm down a little and let the game flow". Maybe all the offseason pressure is starting to manifest itself

Posted by: TWISI | September 14, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Here is what is sad, no of us here watch film and yesterday we all new that when CP was in the game it was run left.

And then we ran on 1st and 2nd down on almost every drive. and threw on 3rd. That is not a hard offense to figure out.

When the pass was working we went back to the run. In the 3rd quarter we threw the ball all the way down the field and when we got to the 11 yard line we ran left again.

Sometimes in football if the other team cant stop what your doing then keep doing it until they stop it.

On another note, JZ sucks. He is the worse play caller I have ever seen, he has no feel for the momentum or emotion of the game. he is not aggressive (nor is Greg Blatche but that is another post later in the day) and its almost like he has plays in mind that he wants to run before the series starts and he calls those plays regardless of what happened on the play before.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | September 14, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

ARE trick play after the big run, the end around to #11, and just about everything Zorn dialed up in the red zone plain sucked.

no, it gets worse. after the game portis said those plays were scripted!!!!!!!!!! wow!!!! the f'er had 3 weeks to prepare fot this game and that's what he came up with! LOL

Posted by: dealer1 | September 14, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

ARE trick play after the big run, the end around to #11, and just about everything Zorn dialed up in the red zone plain sucked.

no, it gets worse. after the game portis said those plays were scripted!!!!!!!!!! wow!!!! the f'er had 3 weeks to prepare fot this game and that's what he came up with! LOL

Posted by: dealer1 | September 14, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

ARE trick play after the big run, the end around to #11, and just about everything Zorn dialed up in the red zone plain sucked.

no, it gets worse. after the game portis said those plays were scripted!!!!!!!!!! wow!!!! the f'er had 3 weeks to prepare fot this game and that's what he came up with! LOL

Posted by: dealer1 | September 14, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Stop calling for JZ to be let go. He doesn't throw the ball, catch it, or run with it, nor does he tackle or kick field goals. He does have to call a game based on the talent,(or lack thereof) of his "leader".
To the point someone mentioned of using 5 WR's against an obvious blitz; that requires, by your own posting a fast read by the QB. JC can't do that, never has, he is slow to react. Yes, JC we expect you to throw into coverage in the NFL! Yes, got it?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 14, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

deal what the heck, why did we have to have that 3 times.....rookie...

twis, good stuff on #2, and I'm curious about #3, who was messing up...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 14, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I still hold to my prediction: 9-7 and sneak in to the playoffs.

I dislike how people (Sally Jenkins) are bashing Haynesworth for not being in on every play. It was pretty common knowledge before we signed him and was accepted after we signed him that he only plays about 65% of the plays. Now were bashing him for it?

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 14, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

JC is our best QB. TC is the backup for a reason. It is tough watching Sanchez do well or Flacco & Ryan be playmakers & do things to help their team win. Having said that I don't think Jason deserves all the blame himself as Zorn seems clueless at times. Just get the sense that he is overwhelmed & searching for an answer he can't find.

Posted by: will_ga | September 14, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Sure, few of us thought they'd win but the way they performed was the "same old same old".

That wasn't a 7 point game. And the Giants were using new receivers and a new fulltime running back.

Groundhog Day, man, Groundhog Day.

Posted by: SteveMG | September 14, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

dealer that is depressing.

Posted by: mack1 | September 14, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

about #3, who was messing up...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 14, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

He didn't say. My hunch was that occurred when he had to use two timeouts early in the second half.

Posted by: TWISI | September 14, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

So I'm curious, what excuses do we have for JC now?????

I have been holding out hope that he still might be the guy, but any qb who checks to an up the gut run on 3rd and 8 down two scores in the second half of a game when they see an up the middle blitz either doesn't know the reads, is scared, or has already conceded the game......all of which is unacceptable....I'm not even going to bring up the INT thrown 3 yards after the line of scrimmage when you're in FG range and have a clear path to a first down right in front of you or the terrible deep pass to Moss, or the pass behind Moss on a crucial late 3rd down or the horrible clock management by a 4th year starter.....oh wait....

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 14, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Stop calling for JZ to be let go. He doesn't throw the ball, catch it, or run with it, nor does he tackle or kick field goals. He does have to call a game based on the talent,(or lack thereof) of his "leader".
To the point someone mentioned of using 5 WR's against an obvious blitz; that requires, by your own posting a fast read by the QB. JC can't do that, never has, he is slow to react. Yes, JC we expect you to throw into coverage in the NFL! Yes, got it?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 14, 2009 9:50 AM


Looks like "Sports_Guru" has a new handle...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 14, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I watch the game Why is Kareem moore not in the game instead of fred Smoot. I mean come on WE all know h*LL all of america know FRED cant tackle my grandmother. Blache Im sorry he cant take this good defense any futher he stuck in his own way of doing things. Im going to say again FIRE ZORN & BLACHE they are both holding a good redskin team up U have a average QB good running back nice tightend, good defesne JIm zorn Is a BUM he is another guy think he is a GEnius on playcalling he sucks. No confidence in his QB how can u have your defense stop jacobs twice on 4thdown and then your dumb a$$$ runnin three times in a row when u have a pro bowl tightend..Where is tyron give these guy a chance and see what they do in a big game im tired of blatche talking about how he dont like young players forget that see what they can do ...FRED SMOOTH IS NOT A SAFETY GREG BLATCHE you IDIOT Fred is a DIme coverage GUY now so use him that way

Posted by: chinngy23 | September 14, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

beep-o-rama

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 14, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Looking ahead to the Rams, Seattle seemed to have good success running the ball, as well as passing, they also sacked the Rams qb 3 times.

jz, needs to look at the film see what st. louis struggles with, and exploit that.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 14, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

not to add more fuel to the fire, well.. ok.. EXACTLY to add more fuel to the fire, did anyone else notice the AWESMOE kickers the CowPatties picked up this offseason???!!!

Vinnie, wtSJK?! If these guys are around why don't you SCOUT THEM?! You have all that $$ - use it to locate talent instead of spinning your choices as valid!

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 14, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

He does have to call a game based on the talent,(or lack thereof) of his "leader".

1965skinsfan

Categorically wrong. Did the Pats change their style of play for Cassel?. Why? Because they have an identity on offense, plus an much more talent offensively than the skins. football isn't an individual concept. It's a team concept. Until the skins figure out what identity they are, they will continue to struggle. For example B Mitch asked C Samuels what type of offense the skins are. He said a smash mouth offense. Really? The WCO a smash mouth offense? Is that why you have a flanker option pass as the SECOND scripted play? Is that why you have 5 WRs active for the game?

Posted by: TWISI | September 14, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I've said that since Day 1, chinngy. Smoot is barely a viable corner at this point, dude is the antithesis of what you want from a safety. People up here have all this respect for Blache, but I don't see him making very wise decisions with his personnel. I vaguely remember him getting run out of Chicago for similar stuff, but I could be wrong. He gets all this love for having the 4th ranked D last year...that's based on yards. This team seems to be susceptible to getting scored on late in games and he doesn't appear to get the most out of his available talent. Zorn gets all the fire for his play calling, but Blache needed to make adjustments too...hard to find a D-coordinator consistently get beat by hook patterns and comeback routes for a full 60 mins in this league.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 14, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Couple of thoughts on the game:
Positive
1. Run defense was stout until they were worn out at the end. Fletcher laying the hurt on Jacobs did my heart good. And I think his 18 tackles points to Haynesworth doing his job.
2. Special teams looked pretty good. I was seriously worried about STs coming out of the preseason, but I think we're fine there and Rock even had a good return.
3. ARE in the slot is a GOOD THING. It would be even better if we had somebody playing the flanker. (Where the $%^$ was kelly?)

Negative
1. 3rd and 8, giants showing blitz to the right side. JC is at the line changing the play....... yes ...... he's reading the defense and switching into something that will work....... snap....... betts into the teeth of said blitz. straight tard, and the most blatantly terrible play of the day (outside the OSI sack strip TD)
2. Play-caling. Enough said.
3. Laron Landry needs to stop acting like he's playing Madden. I'd like to see him breakdown, chop his feet, and make a sound tackle. Sure, he's flying around, but to what end? Missing guys? Dirty 30 really needs work still, and by now, I'd expect him to be getting it. His play is truly confounding. He's got all the physical tools, just none of the common sense needed. People need to stop using his name in the same sentence with Polamolu or Reed (as Joey T did this morning). Landry does not impress to this point.

Rams next week. Things should look a little better next monday.

Posted by: braker19cleartheline | September 14, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: TWISI | September 14, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Culprit #1: Playcalling. Campbell's first traditional drop back came after 20 minutes of the game clock had expired. First 2 drives: Portis run; Randle El reverse; Portis run; Cooley screen; punt; Portis run; Portis run; Portis run; punt. By the time the next play had been called for the Redskins, the Giants had already had 3 full field drives, 28 plays, over 16 minutes in Time Of Possession, and 10 points. Campbell was forced to play come-from-behind before he was even introduced to the game.

Culprit #2: Campbell. Two horrid mistakes on the sack/fumble and INT (with an assist from Moss on that pick). A third really bad mistake on the audible to Betts. That can't happen, plain and simple. Having said that, aside from those 3 plays, the passing game was actually highly efficient, with Campbell connecting on 73% of his passes, and getting the ball down the field with 8.1 yards per attempt. Why it took so long to turn to this aspect, I have no idea.

Culprit #3: The defense, particularly the secondary. The Giants started the game with drives of 12 plays, 10 plays, and 6 plays, and burned more than 16 minutes off the clock. Manningham scored his TD on nothing more than awful defensive work. The defense got tired at the end of the game, but they have nobody else but themselves to blame for being gassed. You can't control the clock if your defense can't get off the field starting on the opening kick.

Culprit #4: The run game. Portis opened the game with a 34 yard rush. After that, he finished with 28 yards on 15 carries. That's less than 1.9 yards per carry for the rest of the game. That's beyond abysmal. The offensive line was absolutely mauled on the ground. There is no other description for that.

Posted by: psps23 | September 14, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

So the quote on ZORN in this mornings TIMES-DISGUST reads, "...There was a lot of chipping verbally, a lot of things going on, and we became DISTRACTED."

To which I immediately retorted to myself, "Oh, bull-shyt."

After reading the article, I made a mental note that ZORN was beginning to distance himself from his q-back. Last year he had JASON's back. This season not so much. It's going to be a rocky edition of the JASNO and JIMMY show.

But don't lay everything at the feet of CAMPBELL. A good part, but not all. Coaching should improve things provided they can be improved. Coaching is great, but ultimately a player must be who he is. JC has reached that point. If he can't feel pass-rushers coming, if he can't step up in the pocket when there's no rush inside, or if he drops his arm looking for a secondary receiver and he's been told over and over to overcome all those impediments to great q-back play, then who is JASON CAMPBELL? What has he become when he rolls right, throws a ball down the sideline beyond the line of scrimmage, and then stares in amazement as it's intercepted on a great DB play? I mean what's he thinking?
1- Let's get a penalty for an illegal forward pass?
2- Or maybe throw it on the sideline where only MOSS can catch it while the receiver is smothered by the DB?
3- I've got to make a desperation play to save my job?
Looks like a residual from this spring's off-season, and I opt for door number three.

So to my mind it's not all on JASON.

1- Mr. SNYDER and his management methods are partly to blame for this loss.

2- Mr. CERRATO and his talent selections who STILL can't show up in games that count are partly to blame.

3- Coaching that fails to teach solid play then fails to adapt from series to series during the game is partly at fault.

Here, I can't fault BUGEL for picking RINEHART in the third round of the 2008 draft or not drafting SAMUELS' replacement when they had the chance this year. He's done the best he could with what he's got.

Nor is it BLATCHE's fault when the $50,000,000 man can't play corner in this league. SMOOT is past his prime, and the coaches can't overcome injuries to 'LOS at the CB slot. TRYON, BARNES, WESTBROOK....? plueeze!!!!

Enough, enough. My BP's through the roof, and my nitroglycerin tablet's in the bathroom. Excuse me please.

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 14, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Campbell had respectable stats, but was flustered and dinking it off before going through his reads. Same old. He lacks 'field smarts': the instinct to see things before they develop and make the right nano-second decisions. The Skins could win with him with an elite line able to give him the time to rationally and mechanically process his four reads, but until that happens, we will be a mediocre/sub-mediocre offense.

Haynesworth made a big difference by taking away a fourth of the field single-handedly. It was the rest of the D-s fault for not exploiting his presence, most notably the CBs, who played so far off the receivers that the Giants were able to relieve the pressure and presence of Haynesworth in the middle.

Orakpo, well, it was his first game, he'll get better.

Play calling: mostly awful. A screen pass at the eight yard line when the defense is packed up front is just dumb. RandEl's reverse against the league's best pass rush when the Skins were on the cusp of field goal position: awful. Overall predictability, the curse of last year, was a problem throughout, with no attempt to open up the passing game early on. Dug the fake kick, though.

The flop 2nd rounders of 2008 showed they are still flops. Marko Mitchell deserves field time.

Positives: Fletcher, Horton, Doughty and Haynesworth (when he was in) were tough as nails. ARE and Cooley earned their pay.

Posted by: SammyT1 | September 14, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

haahaa tripple post! nice!

ummmm sorry...

is it just me or the server too slow today?

Posted by: dealer1 | September 14, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins offense was dominated by the Giants defense it is that simple why they lost. They got beat man to man they lost their matchups. The issue that concerns me most is the lack of improvement from last season to this season and is obvious. The only thing that has changed is the offensive line getting much older. That was never addressed in the off season. With out a solid line there will not be much offense. This is an average football team. I took my burgundy and gold glasses off along time ago and I can clearly see this team is not a contender but a pretender. Until we get an ownership that understands patience and develops a real front office this will happen every year fans.

Posted by: bigjofc | September 14, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

"Having said that, aside from those 3 plays, the passing game was actually highly efficient, with Campbell connecting on 73% of his passes, and getting the ball down the field with 8.1 yards per attempt. Why it took so long to turn to this aspect, I have no idea."

Didn't throw deep much, did they? I wonder if they were deliberately trying to freeze the rush that has caused them so many problems in the past...

Posted by: Samson151 | September 14, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Sorry to focus on the big picture here, but honestly, isn't everyone simply bored with the Redskins?

Some problems are so obvious, and solutions to those problems so obvious, consideration of anything else becomes a snooze-fest, an exercise in futility. Surely it's no secret on RI of all places that the club's management is incompetent and consistently fails to address real needs in the off season. Don't believe that? Do a brief exercise and go back to January 2008 after Gibbs leaves tracing every single decision. I am unable to come up with anything positive except a couple of 7th rounders, though they are nice additions, not the sort of thing winning franchises are built around.

This is not a new problem either. It goes back at least 10 years. In fact, I remember writing on an earlier version of this site back in 2002 as "PepperRod" that Dan Snyder had the "toxic touch" and I've seen nothing play out over the last 7 seasons to change that view, save for three great games in 2005.*

Yes it's the painful truth, but also a deadly dull truth that so much of this awful mediocre losing sameness would vanish overnight if Dan Snyder got out of the business of managing the Washington Redskins and turned the operation over to someone who actually knew how to do the job.

[*The two games against Dallas and the one at home against Giants. The 2007 run with Collins didn't fire me up that much.]

Posted by: Pepper5 | September 14, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Let's look at what's perception and what's was reality. Perception - Campbell cost us the game. Reality - Campbell completed %73 of passes Eli Completed %69. Campbell had 1 TD 1 INT 2 fumbles 1 lost. Eli had 1 TD 1 INT 2 fumbles 1 lost. The difference is they made plays, we didn't. Eli fumbled the second play form scrimmage, we did not recover the ball.

Posted by: edavis291 | September 14, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Thank God we have the Rams next. That's a guaranteed win. Right?

Posted by: coparker5 | September 14, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Lots of good points on here today. Can someone please tell Zorn that on second and long, he can call something besides a run between the tackles? He doesn't know what to do when the first down play doesn't work, so it the same thing over and over. Then we see our old friend, third and long.

Posted by: PASkinsFan1 | September 14, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

As bad as the defense played, they gave up the same number of TDs as the offense, one.

Posted by: jmy999 | September 14, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

My Monday Afternoon Take on the Meltdown at the Meadowlands....

It became apparent from the outset that Jim Zorn is petrified of having Jason Campbell direct this offense. All too often the Redskins ran on first down and the Giants were ready for it. When the Redskins could have gone deep on the second play, they ran a trick play that failed. When the Redskins knew that the Giants had a secondary sponsored by Bandaid, it often choose to ignore the salivating opportunities. And when it became apparent the Giants were going to mask their secondary with a blitz, we didn't rollout Campbell or keep him in the shotgun.

For all of the offseason acquisitions, the one that paid dividends was a punter. He can run, he can score, and he can punt. He does three things well. And then we couldn't get pressure on Eli Mae Manning with over a hundred million dollars worth of bravado and first rounders. Our secondary might as well have been 300 pounders as this would have at least given them a real reason why they couldn't cover wide receivers that resembled the best that a high school could offer.

Coaching. I'm not sure that Jim Zorn has grasped the concept of attacking weaknesses and giving the defense something to react to. All day our offense was reacting to the Giants defense and our quarterback looked clueless for most of the game. I know I've now found his leadership skills to be non-existant and it is obvious that the opposition fears him not.

This past Sunday gave us Redskin fans our typical dose of reality - we've grown more cautious of the offseason when we win that Super Bowl year in and year out. Sadly our team has managed to take the continuity of ineptness from the last eight games from last year and picked up where they left off without losing its bookmark. If we saw any hope in the game it was the punter who has yet to be infected with Synderitis - the disease that sucks the effectiveness out of players the longer they are a Snyder Redskin.

We look upon the next game with the Rams hoping that we won't choke again. But with these Redskins since the Snyder era, you can be guaranteed that they'll find a new way to embarrass us fans and will offer us excuses that will suggest they weren't medium enough or that all that is needed is to "coach 'em up". As a Redskin fan since 1970, I have had my fill with the promise and letdown. All I ask for is that the team give its best and when that fails, at least we tried. A performance like the one against the Giants suggests that they could have just phoned it in and we'd have all saved three hours of our Sunday.

Posted by: laserwizard | September 14, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

somebody needs to ask Zorn what he is scared of? really, what is he trying to avoid, becasue he is certainly not calling plays to reach any goal, it appears.

Is Zorn afraid of an interception in the end zone? is he afraid of 3 and out? is he afraid of QB fumbles?

I don't know, but what ever he is trying to avoid is pointless because he has already los the game fro mthe get go.

JC is super defensive about his play, trying to justify his plays after a loss. that is pathetic. The least he can do is say I screwed up. There, I said it, I'll do better next time.

Somebody better tell Zorn that it is much better to throw the ball 40 yards and get an interception across the field, than it is to fumble on your side of the field. somebody tell that to JC. I have been a JC supporter and will continue to root for him until he really needs to get cut by not throwing the ball out of fear.

Zorn and JC, open up the game, or DS/VC would have to replace your stupid/conservative plays by game 3

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 14, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

I think if Zorn continues to call STUPID plays, he needs to be fired by the Detroit game, regardless of W or L against Rams, seriously.

If I am Snyder, I go to Zorn and say, Call pass play you mofo, call pass play you piece crape!

I would also tell Campbell if you do not make attempts at getting the ball to the reciever, you are outa there by the 2nd quarter against Rams.

We need to shake these two bozo's into taking some risk and play with courage.

But I think the problem is 80% Zorn, 20% JC. Zorn is a nice man and hopefully he finds a sport where playing "not to lose" can be a virtue, but in the NFL you have to play to win

Posted by: peaceful2008 | September 14, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

It's obvious the Skins and Campbell get NO respect when Coughlin goes for it on 4th down KNOWING the Skins would do nothing with the ball if they didn't convert. It was ridiculous. Campbell, bless his heart, stinks as a QB and this season is already over. We don't attack teams, we react and pretty futily I would add. The O line was fine. The reason we didn't run well is because we don't throw well. It's a pass first league now. Campbell's lack of any threat made NY look better than they were/are. Zorn didn't fare any better. It's time to groom for Bill Cowher's spit.

Posted by: tdpillo123 | September 14, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

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