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Monday morning's sizzling links

The locker room opens at 11; Coach Jim Zorn meets with the media at 12:25 today. Until then, Dan Steinberg has the latest installment of the Faces of Zorn over at DC Sports Bog. Oh, and the regular Monday chats are coming up. There's Cindy Boren at 11:30 and Mike Wilbon in the chat house at 1:15 (Wilbon Time).


By Cindy Boren  |  October 19, 2009; 10:19 AM ET
 
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Comments

1st to say don't lose your heads.

Sane is the way to go!

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

What happened to continuity with Gregg Williams?

Posted by: Alan4 | October 19, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

2nd to say we need a new QB and offensive scheme.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Why Sherm Lewis and not Sherm Smith who has been involved since last season and has not had the opportunity?

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 19, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Officially ROCK BOTTOM!!! The WORST team in the nfl.

The players that said our roster is as good or better on paper than most teams should be punted. This roster is comprised of SCRUBS, Every player!!!

Posted by: bhoang888 | October 19, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Ooops, I'm sorry, is the game over yet?

Posted by: Megskin | October 19, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, because that really would have motivated Dan Snyder to put up the "For Sale By Owner" sign.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Are you saying it isn't worth it to embarrass Dan Snyder? is he paying you?

Posted by: REXskins | October 19, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Where are all the Campbell apologists now???

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

"Yeah, I question it because it hasn't happened, but I don't go in with less and less confidence that our game plan is right," Zorn replied. "I don't go in with less confidence in calling plays"

I don't get this, I really don't. You're team is averaging less than 14 ppg this year, and you think the game plan is right?? Talk about delusional.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Why Sherm Lewis and not Sherm Smith who has been involved since last season and has not had the opportunity?

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 19, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

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Probably because Sherm Smith has even less experience than Zorn as a playcaller. Lewis has a ton of experience as a playcaller.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Why Sherm Lewis and not Sherm Smith who has been involved since last season and has not had the opportunity?

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 19, 2009 10:38 AM

Because Sherm Smith was ONLY a freakin RB Coach before his best bud from the 70s got a HC job and said Best Bud just had to keep his promise they made decades ago that if one was to become a HC, they would hire the other.

True Story.

Also, Sherm Smith was NEVER in a WC System before becoming our 'Supposed Offense Coordinator'. So, why did he deserve that title in the 1st place? They only gave him that title just to get him away from the Titans.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

F Snyder/Cerrato. They can't even fire a HC correctly. Instead they've pretty much stripped Zorn of everything but the title of Head Coach. They should've just fired him and been done with it. Those clowns have made this team one big effin joke.

Posted by: skinswest | October 19, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Where are all the Campbell apologists now???

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 10:45 AM

Yeah, 'cause the offense looked a mile better without him!

Posted by: Alan4 | October 19, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Skinswest Agreed end this charade... Fire Zorn he is done lets move on

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

trade for vick. run a wildcat spread offense

Posted by: mwalk1 | October 19, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Where are all the Campbell apologists now???

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Really? You sure you want to go that route. Collins was terrible too. That only strengthens our argument that the issue isn't at QB. The receivers were still not open, the line was still giving up too much pressure, and the play calling was still terrible.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Alan4 still not ready to admit that even with decent protection in the first half Campbell looked awful... hmmm ok

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

The way Zorn was hired was strange to say the least, BUT his job of calling plays and leading the team has been AWFUL! You look at the defense after Blache came out and said what he did. EVERY week you see young players making plays, guys improving and developing, and the biggest thing, CHANGING YOUR SCHEME AND PACKAGES TO HELP THE PLAYERS PLAY AT THEIR BEST!! This orginzation is rotten from the top down, but the failure of the offensive coaches to improve and or change is what's the most troubling.

Posted by: Lacantwrite | October 19, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Skinswest Agreed end this charade... Fire Zorn he is done lets move on

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

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If I were a betting man, I'd say that's exactly what they will do after the Eagles game, so that there is a bye week to adjust and make the transition for the interim head coach (Jerry Gray).

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I didn’t see the game but judging from the outcome I’m guessing Collins wasn’t much of an improvement. True?

Posted by: skinswest | October 19, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I never said Collins was better the bottom line is JC isnt the guy period... Collins play wasnt an indictment of that

JC confirmed that on his own...

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

OK OK your right Campbell looked awesome in the first half he was benched for no reason...

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

We keep being told that Snyder was a huge fan of the Redskins while growing up during the glory years.

My question is: how the hell did he watch those three Super Bowl victories and not know who the Hogs were and why they were so important??? Did he really think Riggins and Monk were successful just by themselves?!

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | October 19, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

A report from "A fresh set of eyes".....

Before one can understand and resolve a complex issue, there should be a foundation, a base, a precedence set in place to begin the process of evaluation. Having said that, I have no fricking idea what type of offense Coach Zorn is running. It appears to be a hybrid of Marty ball, Spurrier Sputter and Gibbs-2 conservatism. It’s unlike any version of a west coast offense that I have been involved in or have studied. It’s as though, Zorn has cut and pasted 2 or 3 types of offenses together and told his players that it is a west coast version. The west coast offense relies heavily on a strong passing game to set up the run, which does not exist here. The WCO features a quick explosive running game, which does not exist here. The WCO is designed to put the ball in the hands of your big receivers, which does not exist here. I would suggest that Zorn utilize the only running back who can offer some explosiveness (Anthony Aldridge). I am at practice every day and this Markco Mitchell seems to be unstoppable and for the life of me, I can’t understand why he is not on the field on Sundays. I will continue my evaluation and will submit a weekly report as requested, unless I’m asked to call the plays.

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 19, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Don't we have bigger fish to fry than which mediocre at best QB on the roster will fail better on this team?

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Will the Skins finish this season, with a worse record than the .364 winning record a better record then the .232 record of the wizards last season? They need 6 wins to beat the Nationals and 4 to best the wizards.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I never said Collins was better the bottom line is JC isnt the guy period... Collins play wasnt an indictment of that

JC confirmed that on his own...

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

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I agree. The solution at QB for this team isn't currently on the roster.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

If I were a betting man, I'd say that's exactly what they will do after the Eagles game, so that there is a bye week to adjust and make the transition for the interim head coach (Jerry Gray).

Posted by: dfbovey

Great, then all the DB"s will learn how not to tackle! Gray emphasized int's over tackling as an excuse for D Hall not tackling. I guess it's flag football.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 19, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

- Add yours here.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2009 10:22 AM

Dirty 30 completely whiffing on a kill shot on Larry Johnson in the 3rd/4th quarter. He just ran through shot as LJ kept trucking by....

Presumably he's trying to burnish his highlight real for when he looks for a trade?

Posted by: Redcoat | October 19, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

If I were a betting man, I'd say that's exactly what they will do after the Eagles game, so that there is a bye week to adjust and make the transition for the interim head coach (Jerry Gray).

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 10:50 AM

I agree and I bet this is their plan. I just think that if they're going to make a point of stripping Zorn of his playcalling now they may as well just make the move to the interim coach now as well. I actually think it would've been the decent thing to do for Zorn instead of this drawn out public spectacle.

Posted by: skinswest | October 19, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Can anyone remember why no one really wanted Jim Fassel as coach?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 19, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

My opinion on JC17 vs TC15.

Both looked bad behind our line (who wouldn't?). I mean, on that safety at the end, Heyer just watched the defensive lineman run by him to tackle Collins.

TC15 was marginally better than JC17. The difference was that he wasn't actively hurting the team with his bad decisions.

Neither one is a long term solution. But I think TC15 is the difference between finishing 5-11 and 3-13...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | October 19, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Well, I got my wish to see what Collins could do….not much. Only thing I thought he did better than JC was the one deep ball. And maybe Collins not choosing only one half of a game to score points in……looks like it’s the playcalling/system, and not necessarily the QB(s) that are the problem. It would be nice to see how the offense would go with a good OL though, but that’s not something you can just change like a QB. It seems like Zorn never really was much of a strategist with his calls. You see so many guys in the league who are calling plays that are setting up future plays…..like quick hitches setting up stop and go’s…..sweeps to set up boot legs. You never see Zorn doing this. It’s like he is not thinking past the current play. Someone mentioned it before—A fade to ARE? WTF was that? Maybe this is where Lewis will bring in some brains to the calls; plays to set up other plays, and calling plays for the right perseonnel. One can only hope.

I would love to see Vinny fired at season’s end. Just as long as they don’t hire a new HC before a new GM (or new coordinators before a new HC for that matter). Hire a new GM, and let him go to work, even if it blows everything up. The team needs a whole attitude adjustment. Stop playing soft, and stop making excuses. Bring in a GM and a HC who will bench/cut you if you are not playing as hard as you can on every play.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 19, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

OK OK your right Campbell looked awesome in the first half he was benched for no reason...

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Yeah our offensive line definitely looked decent. Oh wait, every other "expert" in the country has bashed our line (Read Peter King this morning, Mosley over at the NFC East Blog has mentioned it, as have Wilbon and Wise).

You got your wish. If Collins doesn't play any better and it becomes apparent that the QB position isn't the problem, hope you are man enough to come back and eat crow...and to make it fair, if he does perform well, I'll do the same...

Posted by: mattylight | October 19, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, if Sherm Lewis is named playcaller (as is highly rumored) we will officially become an even bigger laughingstock of the NFL.

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 19, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, because that really would have motivated Dan Snyder to put up the "For Sale By Owner" sign.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Are you saying it isn't worth it to embarrass Dan Snyder? is he paying you?

Posted by: REXskins | October 19, 2009 10:44 AM

You think that would embarrass Snyder? A chant? "Hello. My name is REXskins. I just got off the space ship from Mars."

Where Snyder is embarrassed is on the playing field, and he is getting heaping doses of pain every week. His fingerprints are all over the team and everyone knows that the product on the field is his, not Zorn's. Read Peter King's column today warning Jon Gruden not to take the job as head coach in DC.

Yeah, what we need to tip the balance is a chant. Good thinking.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Can anyone remember why no one really wanted Jim Fassel as coach?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 19, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

He is known to be a poor motivator and not a development guy, he is really a good X's and O's type.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Bean brought up a good point. When we finally got down to the red zone, we ran a FADE route to Randle El.

I can only assume that at that point, we are TRYING to lose.

We brought in THREE BIG TARGETS SPECIFICALLY because we couldn't score in the red zone.

To my knowledge, I can remember throwing MAYBE ONE fade/jump ball to one of those 3 down in the red zone in 1.5 years.

Can someone PLEASE explain to me why we would draft guys for that purpose and then not even TRY to use them for the purpose they were drafted for??? What kind of team does that???? That would be like me buying a Hummer to go offroading in, and then leaving my Hummer in the garage and taking my Prius up the mountain.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 19, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

blow it up... everything thing... blow it up...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | October 19, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

The solution at QB for this team isn't currently on the roster.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 10:55 AM

I think Tony Dungy is onto something:
"I wouldn't blame it all on the quarterback. He threw for a lot of yards today. They're having trouble scoring. I think it goes to a bigger thing, maybe an organizational thing. It's always new free agents, new players, all-star guys. They need to build a team concept there.

"It's not always getting the best players. It's building a good team, building a team that everyone has confidence in, and, right now, they don't have confidence."

Right on, Coach Dungy! The group of players we have now is not a team. That's something Haynesworth has been alluding to as well.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 19, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Ok...I got one for you Cl...And this is a good one to point out....Since it was pointed out last week...

So, We were in the EXACT situation this week as we were against Carolina. 3rd and Long with under 2 mins to play. Cassel drops back and passes to Bowe and the Cornerback misses the tackle and Bowe goes on to get the 1st down.

Who was that CB? You would think it was DHall the way Bowe slid through that tackle. No...it was fellow Auburn Sacred Cow Carlos Rogers...

SMDH

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

te, so what you're saying is you don't think the chant was effective??

did I hear you right?? hahaha

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Things the offense needs to do in order of need.
1 build a o-line. 2 find a decent set of WR's who can get open (sorry Thomas and Kelly fans). 3 lets look at some replacement for Betts/Rock who can split carries with Portis. 4 get a "star" QB

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I hope they don't put any tag on rogers, he's just an abject failure at CB....shocking that bowe ate his lunch all day long....and yet sad at the same time....instead of criticizing the FO, which he was justified in doing, he should work on catching/tackling...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse


FIRE SALE!!! Trade deadline looming, make us an offer! No reasonable offer refused.

We should go into the draft with 10-15 picks.

Posted by: fzone | October 19, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

OK OK your right Campbell looked awesome in the first half he was benched for no reason...

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Nobody said that Campbell looked awesome. Where did you read that? I'd win every argument too if I just argued with myself....I.....also....get...ann..o.y..e...d...b.y....peop..le...who...abuse.......t.h.e..............e..li...p.s..is. The issue is that the receivers are not getting open. Is that because they suck or is it becsuse of Zorn's aweful play calling? Thankfully, we'll know the answer to that question soon. Campbell missed a few passes but Collins sure wasn't any better. Campbell ended up with more yards. I saw no improvement with Collins. They were doing to same things. They both had to settle for crappy short check down passes. The line only gives them about 3 seconds to get rid of the ball. That is awful. What's going to happen when we play a real team? We fixed the play calling but we still neeed two offensive tackles and a center. We can't fix that until the draft.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

te, so what you're saying is you don't think the chant was effective??

did I hear you right?? hahaha

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 11:06 AM |

Well, I'm deferring judgement. If the team goes up for sale in the next two or three days then I'll agree it was the chant. But, if it doesn't go on the market then next week we should chant louder, I guess.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Can anyone remember why no one really wanted Jim Fassel as coach?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 19, 2009 10:58 AM

Yes. Because we all lived through Fassel as a HC in New York and none of Redskins NAtion wanted him here. And Vinny and Snyder listened to the fans, who were distraught to find out that Fassel would be our HC, even though they had no back up plan.

That's my quick synopsis......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Can anyone remember why no one really wanted Jim Fassel as coach?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 19, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

He is known to be a poor motivator and not a development guy, he is really a good X's and O's type.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 11:02 AM

Hey, I'd take one out of those three at this point. I don't like Fassel, but hey, at least we'd have better plays and play calling.

But yeah, organizational concept...stressing a strong team of 53...building a foundation along the lines...anyone taking notes here for Vinny?

Posted by: hithere1 | October 19, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Actually Alex, Fassell was a good motivator...he willed/rah rahed/made public promises/took playcalling duties away from Sean Payton a bunch to will some ok at best Giants teams to the playoffs...

The problem is/was that guys who use motivation all the time end up emptying their bag'o tricks and then eventually lose the locker room, which is what happened at the end of his Ginna run.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

We have had the same WR coach for the past few years, and he was once said to be a joke as a coach on the NFL level. Maybe thats why no WR can get separation for this roster.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I think Tony Dungy is onto something:
"I wouldn't blame it all on the quarterback. He threw for a lot of yards today. They're having trouble scoring. I think it goes to a bigger thing, maybe an organizational thing. It's always new free agents, new players, all-star guys. They need to build a team concept there.

"It's not always getting the best players. It's building a good team, building a team that everyone has confidence in, and, right now, they don't have confidence."

Right on, Coach Dungy! The group of players we have now is not a team. That's something Haynesworth has been alluding to as well.

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I agree with that. But will also say that the team concept on the offensive side of the ball usually starts with a leader at QB.

And I'm not saying that the offensive line isn't the biggest problem right now, because it is. I just don't think Campbell would be the guy even with a proper offensive line. His on field presence doesn't come off as being a leader. He looks more confused and bewildered more than anything.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

If it really was a result of listening to the fans (through the media) that led Ceratto and Snyder to NOT hire the coach of their choice, what does this say about the FO management structure of this team? In my opinion, an excellent GM with a strong belief about what they think is best for the team is not going to allow coaching decisions to be based on the opinion of bloggers.

And so...if you're Dan Snyder, the question should be: do you really think Ceratto is a first rate (i.e. excellent, i.e. one of the best in his field) GM? And if not, then why settle for mim to run the FO?

Posted by: hithere1 | October 19, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Personally, my vote is to root for The Danny to make himself the playcaller. That's what he wants anyway, and I'm sure it's what his late-night fantasies are about. At least him as the playcaller would provide some comedy relief.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | October 19, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Why do some of these people believe that if Collins doesn't light it up that means "QB isn't the problem?"

If Collins stinks it up too, all it means is that BOTH QBs suck.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 19, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

One fun thing yesterday was watching a snow game in October (Pats/Titans). Plus I have Tom Brady and Randy Moss on my Fantasy team……championship!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 19, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

CL,

I worked with someone who played under Fassel in college out at Utah, so I would go with what that dude was telling me. He said Fassel was great at setting up a play to use special talents. This guy was not a starter but a speed RB and got a few good plays out of that.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Why do some of these people believe that if Collins doesn't light it up that means "QB isn't the problem?"
If Collins stinks it up too, all it means is that BOTH QBs suck.
Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 19, 2009 11:16 AM

Or it COULD mean that it’s the system and/or rest of the offense. It’s not an absolute. It’s an arguable thought……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 19, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

So, follow up question; is there any one who thinks this team might be performing at an average NFL level if Fassel was the coach? (I know nothing of Fassel, but it just struck me that Zorn was hired partially because Danny backed away from Fassel)

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 19, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I side note we can all agree on, save for maybe Lisa/Meg/RedSkirt/Such As...

Did y'all peep them Redskin Cheerleader Outfits?

Wow....Just Wow....

I'd put them outfits and who were wearing them as one of their top 5 EVER...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

The team and its image is in a shambles. In the short term I think:
(1) Fire Zorn, replace him with Gray. DO NOT make Sherm Lewis Offensive Coordinator. Instead promote either Smith,Mitchell or Bugel
(2) Fire Vinny and have Gibbs come in as interim GM.
(3) Play the young guys the rest of the way (excpet Collins, he will be better in a transition period)
(4) Do everything you can to hire either Gruden, Shanihan or Cowher. Hire a young fresh think GM

Redskin fans are ashamed by what is happening

Posted by: LIsound20 | October 19, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I just don't think Campbell would be the guy even with a proper offensive line. His on field presence doesn't come off as being a leader. He looks more confused and bewildered more than anything.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 11:13 AM


Not according to the player Most Likely to Call Out a Teammate's Flaws:

Portis last week: "I think the best thing that happened today was us sticking with Jason following four turnovers. I think, today, Jason really grew to be a leader of this team. It was a great feeling to see him continuously slinging the ball and come off of the field without having an explanation after throwing an interception."

Posted by: Alan4 | October 19, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

That would be like me buying a Hummer to go offroading in, and then leaving my Hummer in the garage and taking my Prius up the mountain.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 19, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Hahahaha. No sh*t. I mean Marko, Devin, or Malcolm no where on the field. I even like Zorn's idiotic explaination as to why he can't activate Marko and Alridge. Our O line sucks anyway. Until that is fixed all points are moot.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 19, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

CL,

I worked with someone who played under Fassel in college out at Utah, so I would go with what that dude was telling me. He said Fassel was great at setting up a play to use special talents. This guy was not a starter but a speed RB and got a few good plays out of that.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

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I think we need a guy who not only does that, but recognizes weaknesses in opposing defenses and attacks them.

If a team has a starting corner out, design part of your gameplan to exploit the replacement. I don't see Zorn doing things like this. It's actually something the offense hasn't had since Norv was here.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I said it last week and I'll say it again this week. Jason Campbell doesn't suck. He's mediocre. The issue is that our line is crap and our RB is too old. We're not saying Campbell is good. We're just saying he isn't terrible and with a limited number of draft picks and a salary cap we need to replace things in order of worst to best.

Heyer=Terrible
We must use our first rounder on a franchise left tackle. He is the worst player in the starting lineup.

BMW-terrible
we need to move him to guard and use our second rounder on a right tackle

Rabach-terrible
we could get a center in the 4th round

Montgomery-terrible
move BMW inside to guard where his limited mobility is a strength, not a weakness

Portis-below average
I'd play MM and AA more and take a top RB when we can.

Campbell-average we can replace him after we replace all the terrible players. We have 4 picks in the first 2 rounds in the next 2 years. I'd love to see us take 3-4 offensive linemen and a RB if possible. We also have to replace London Fletcher soon and Cornelius Griffen.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

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CL,I worked with someone who played under Fassel in college out at Utah, so I would go with what that dude was telling me. He said Fassel was great at setting up a play to use special talents. This guy was not a starter but a speed RB and got a few good plays out of that.

Posted by: alex35332

I didn't say he was bad at X/Os. I was simply saying that for along stretch in NY, where I live and forced to know about NYC teams, motivation was considered a strong suit...until the players tuned out and it wasn't.

Remember the "I guarantee playoffs" and then they won like 6 straight games trick?

Who knows...F life.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

dfbovey & CL I agree, that Fassel would be better then Zorn.

Also quick question for some who may recall better then me. When we had the Fassel debates and stuff were Gregg Williams and Spaggnolo both still options for our Coaching Staff at that point?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

So, follow up question; is there any one who thinks this team might be performing at an average NFL level if Fassel was the coach? (I know nothing of Fassel, but it just struck me that Zorn was hired partially because Danny backed away from Fassel)

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 19, 2009 11:21 AM

Would we look better than this? Hellz Yeah...But how much? Who knows?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha.......................

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 19, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I know it's popular to paint with a broad stroke and blame JUST Vinny because he's the most visible, but Kevin Sheehan made a point yesterday that it's not just Vinny, but probably the other guys who scout talent as well, Morocco Brown, Scott Campbell, others.

He called them all "average."

I think that's probably closer to the truth than just one guy being at fault.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 19, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

spurrier revisted.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Thought for the day:

We've won Super Bowls with mediocre QBs who performed particularly well for a season.

We've never won a Super Bowl with a mediocre O-line.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 19, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Portis last week: "I think the best thing that happened today was us sticking with Jason following four turnovers. I think, today, Jason really grew to be a leader of this team. It was a great feeling to see him continuously slinging the ball and come off of the field without having an explanation after throwing an interception."

Posted by: Alan4 | October 19, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

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I guess my definition of a leader is different than just being happy that the QB finally had a drive where he didn't have to come off the field explaining why he just threw an interception.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 11:23 AM

Wow...so everyone sucks, save for JC17?

Ok. (eyes rolling)

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Redskins need to dump some players in hopes of getting picks in return...rogers, landry come to mind, if we could get a 3 for rogers, and a 2 for landry, I'd be all for it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

If DANO and bag-man VINNIE aren't squirming in their seats then they're more stupid than I give them credit for.

NOTE to SNYDER:

As I have stated here before, for a solution to the club's problems look in the mirror. You can't subvert the authority of those you place in management positions time and again, then expect excellence. Why would a solid coach like SCHOTTENHEIMER leave or one like STEVE SPAGNOLO diss you and go elsewhere? Because of pride, greed, envy? Come on DANO, get real.

Where players are concerned, the NFL is not a fantasy-football league. Yes, ALBERT HAYNESWORTH is a great defensive tackle, and I understand why he's in D.C. when I see GOLSTON being tossed around as other teams run away from BIG AL. BUT the defense is basically where it was last year without him. Couldn't some money have been used on the offensive line rebuild instead of investing it all on a handful of players? This is a team isn't it? Not every one of the 53 players can have a 100 million contract. Why not have five 20 million lesser known, but just as effective players on the squad instead? Just as many people will turn out to see games and buy t-shirts for a super-bowl club as for a 2-4 train-wreck of a team headed for disaster. More in fact, many more.

The long-term season ticket-holders of this franchise should sue the NFL for allowing SNYDER to continue in a majority ownership position in D.C.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 19, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Wow...so everyone sucks, save for JC17?

Ok. (eyes rolling)

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Is that what you got from my post? Why don't you re-read it. I'll say it slower for the special kids. We can't fix everything. We need to fix the biggest problems first. There, did you get it that time?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I'm tired of everyone making excuses for Campbell. If its not the line..its the play calling etc.

At some point you would think, if he was a franchise QB, he would make a play or put the team on his back and win a game. He has not done that.

The Skins have contributed to some of his problems, no doubt, but at the end of the day...5 years later....he has never done any of those things. He has regressed...

Posted by: OVIHtrick8 | October 19, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

If only the media wasn't so gosh darn mean to this team. *Sigh*

Posted by: 4-12 | October 19, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

If I was Snyder:

1. Can Vinny. Midseason GM change doesn't affect the games at this point. Promote Morrocco Brown to GM now so he can evaluate, make strategic plan, hit the offseason running.

2. Fire Zorn. Its gonna happen anyway, do it now. Buges as interim. Meidt as OC.

3. Make some kind of mea culpa PR outreach to fanbase in the "I feel yor pain" mold.

4. Sit back, let MB prove he can be the 21st century pro sports GM in the Kenny PhilliPS/Theo Epstein mold.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

http://www.redskins.com/do/videoGallery

Watch the Jerry Gray presser. He'll be a good HC.

And with his attitude, we can beat Philly.

(With my serious face on. Not even a smirk)

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Redskins need to dump some players in hopes of getting picks in return...rogers, landry come to mind, if we could get a 3 for rogers, and a 2 for landry, I'd be all for it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

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I agree about Rogers, I'd keep Landry though and move him back to SS. But if you want to trade players while their stock is UP rather than down, Andre Carter might be a guy who has some value.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Thats fair to say its not just vinny but all of the office. At the same time who put together that office? Whoever the next GM is we need to see them bring in their own staff and asses the current staff.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

if we could get a 3 for rogers, and a 2 for landry, I'd be all for it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 11:32 AM |

Check with REXskins. Maybe some General Managers came here on that space ship with him, because those are the only guys who would give a 2 or a 3 for those two deadbeats.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Don't get stupid, people. The defense is still good enough to win, and win a lot. It's not their fault the offense scores 6 points in a game. You don't trade players for the sake of trading players, especially young guys.

Posted by: psps23 | October 19, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

But if you want to trade players while their stock is UP rather than down, Andre Carter might be a guy who has some value.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 11:35 AM

Exactly. The only players you can trade are the ones you don't want to trade.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I'm tired of everyone making excuses for Campbell. If its not the line..its the play calling etc.

At some point you would think, if he was a franchise QB, he would make a play or put the team on his back and win a game. He has not done that.

The Skins have contributed to some of his problems, no doubt, but at the end of the day...5 years later....he has never done any of those things. He has regressed...

Posted by: OVIHtrick8 | October 19, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

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Aaron Rodgers and Big Ben both have pretty terrible protection in front of them, but they still make plays.

They do have better weapons, or at least more proven weapons than Campbell does though.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

we have a few hours to the deadline. Lets trade Horton or Doughty for a 4th or 5th (we have 3 SS's on the roster)

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

The Raiders sacked McNabb 6 times yesterday.

Is Philly's O-line that bad? I haven't seen them yet this year.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 19, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Is that what you got from my post? Why don't you re-read it. I'll say it slower for the special kids. We can't fix everything. We need to fix the biggest problems first. There, did you get it that time?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 11:33 AM

Heyer=Terrible
We must use our first rounder on a franchise left tackle. He is the worst player in the starting lineup.

BMW-terrible
we need to move him to guard and use our second rounder on a right tackle

Rabach-terrible
we could get a center in the 4th round

Montgomery-terrible
move BMW inside to guard where his limited mobility is a strength, not a weakness

Portis-below average
I'd play MM and AA more and take a top RB when we can.

Campbell-average
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Like I said...You said everyone sucks, save for JC17....

And I said Ok. (Eyes still rolling)

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Jason Peters got hurt early.

Posted by: psps23 | October 19, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

If I was Snyder:

1. Can Vinny. Midseason GM change doesn't affect the games at this point. Promote Morrocco Brown to GM now so he can evaluate, make strategic plan, hit the offseason running.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

1a. Let Morocco do his job!

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 19, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

they are embarassing Zorn. I cant belive he didnt step aside. What is he still doing here???

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

My guess is that the Skins will look even more disorganized with a new playcaller. I wonder how many wasted timeouts will be called because the play didn't get in on time? Or because the QB didn't understand the call, I wonder if they will actually practice making the calls. Biggest disappointment of the season has to be Malcolm Kelly, a total non factor in games.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 19, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Montgomery-terrible
move BMW inside to guard where his limited mobility is a strength, not a weakness

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 11:23 AM

I remember seeing Montgomery getting pushed down on his butt at least two times. I have to give Montgomery credit though, he's surprisingly nimble from that position, he was able to bounce right back up.

Posted by: TWISI | October 19, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Who was the last QB this team had that regularly "put the team on his back" for wins?

What makes anyone think there's a QB like that out there waiting for the Skins to pick him up?

Are there other more dire weaknesses on the team than the QB position?

Just askin'.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 19, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Campbell is not a good qb. Missed Moss on a guaranteed TD if he hits him in stride. Throws out of bounds to Thomas. He can't make a play.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 19, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

they are embarassing Zorn. I cant belive he didnt step aside. What is he still doing here???

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 11:42 AM |

If he quits he don't get paid.

If he's fired he gets paid for the rest of his contract.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 19, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

they are embarassing Zorn. I cant belive he didnt step aside. What is he still doing here???

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

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Zorn has done a fine job of embarrassing himself to this point.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

What is up with the players looking for an endorsement of Zorn?? The guy sucks the "players" cant see that?

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I know it's popular to paint with a broad stroke and blame JUST Vinny because he's the most visible, but Kevin Sheehan made a point yesterday that it's not just Vinny, but probably the other guys who scout talent as well, Morocco Brown, Scott Campbell, others.

He called them all "average."

I think that's probably closer to the truth than just one guy being at fault.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 19, 2009 11:27 AM

Didn't Vinny hire those dudes too?

Posted by: mack1 | October 19, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Two words: REALITY TELEVISION

Posted by: joeboggs | October 19, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Here's my secret plan for NFL domination.

1) Fire Zorn, appoint Buges interim head coach. Tell Buges he rides this one into the well-deserved sunset. His basic job is to get the young guys on offense out there and see what they can do. Commit to a 3 year plan.

2) After the season, hire a GM and a HC. Let the HC pick his coaching staff.

3) Putting on my GM hat, draft TAYLOR MAYS with the first pick in 2010 if available. Spend the two years acquiring OL and LB talent as a priority, secondary is CB and WR.

4) Develop a smash-mouth running game.

5) Draft Tate Forcier with your first pick in 2012, or a guy with cannon arm, a good deep touch, and experience running play-action in college.

6) WIN THE SUPERBOWL baby!

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 19, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I think I'm most disappointed in Sellers.

It seems he's the type of guy who once he got paid, lost his edge. Missed blacks, dropped TDs, etc. And while the downfield blocking on the Portis run was very good, I think the Mike Sellers of 2007 would have put that Chiefs DB on his azz, thereby insuring that Clinton scores.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 19, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Or maybe that should be ensuring*. I always screw those up.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 19, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Espn is reporting that Lewis will be calling the plays and bingo on from now on yippee

Posted by: joevick | October 19, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Im sorry it is Vinny and Snyder. Granted the players have to perform, but looking at the offensive personnel vs. the defensive why is anyone surprised. All the big money acquisitions and high draft picks have gone to the defense. We have 5-7 former first round picks on the defense. Contrast that with the offense whose biggest acquisitions the last few years were ARE, Santana, Randy Thomas and Lavernues Coles. JC and Samuels were the only first rounders on the offense. Aside from Cooley everyone on the offense is marginal. They need to get a decent tackle via free agency and draft another in the 1st round, get a back in the second and go from there.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 19, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

The Raiders sacked McNabb 6 times yesterday.
Is Philly's O-line that bad? I haven't seen them yet this year.
Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 19, 2009 11:40 AM

Heh. Another karma-loss for the Eagles. I was watching a local pre-game up here and one of the TV guys went as far as calling the Raiders game a “pre-season” game for the Eags……HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 19, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Who was the last QB this team had that regularly "put the team on his back" for wins?

What makes anyone think there's a QB like that out there waiting for the Skins to pick him up?

Are there other more dire weaknesses on the team than the QB position?

Just askin'.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 19, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

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Can't speak for everyone else, but just because I think Campbell sucks... doesn't mean I don't recognize that other parts of the offense also suck. I realize that the offensive line is possibly the worst in the league right now.

Ben Roethlesburger and Aaron Rodgers both have almost as bad line situations, but they make plays to keep their teams competitive in games.

There isn't a magic potion or any clear cut answer as to who should replace Campbell. All I know is that he hasn't done anything to distinguish himself in the 5 years he's been here. And chances are, if he was going to step up and be a franchise type QB to build around, he would have shown signs of it by now.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I think you need to get rid of Vinny sooner rather than later. Right now a good GM is looking at trades and scouting college kids, may want to get a new GM now to get the scouting priorities right (Because now I am guessing he is telling scouts to focus on the corners).

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Like I said...You said everyone sucks, save for JC17....

And I said Ok. (Eyes still rolling)

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

That's not at all what I said. I just listed 5 players that need replaced before we replace JC. I don't know why you can't read. Maybe you should stop rolling your eyes so much.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Where are all the Campbell apologists now???

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't exactly call what happened in the second half a ringing endorsement of Collins. Yes, the 'Skins scored twice in the second after being shut out in the first half, but they were both FGs, one coming after Portis' 79-yard run, and the other after the long completion to Moss on which he was so wide open that Campbell probably would have competed it, too. They still couldn't get in the end zone against, statistically, the worst defense in the NFL, and the immobile Collins was a sitting duck behind that pourous O-line. Having said all that, I agreed with Campbell's benching, and would seriously consider staying with Collins, if for no other reason than to shake things up. But I'm not optimistic about Collins making a significant difference, and, frankly, I would fear for his continuing health against blitzing teams like the Eagles, behind that awful O-line.

Posted by: rbpalmer | October 19, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Damn, this sucks. We should have known this was coming. Over the last 4 years we've been to the playoffs twice, but only because of last-gasp winning streaks at the end of the year.

We've been playing close, nail-biting games for years. Last year when we were 6-2, we could have easily been 2-6. This year, we could easily be 0-6 or 5-1.

We've been in games, but we just don't have any staple on offense to go to when we are struggling. This offense is predicated on perfect execution by every man, and that's just ridiculous to expect in a live NFL game against a modern defense.

Campbell is talented, I just think he's over-coached and has zero confidence. He's very, very close to being Patrick Ramsey.

I'd trade anyone on this roster for any draft pick except Cooley, Orakpo, & Horton.

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | October 19, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Where are all the Campbell apologists now???

Posted by: BenchCampbell


Understanding why it took so long to bench him...

Yeah BENCH CAMPBELL...that's the solution, that will make the Redskins great and fix all their booboos. All you have to do is correct the QB position and by golly it's Superbowl, here we come.

Posted by: TheCork | October 19, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

If you want to fire Vinnie now, who do you get to do his job? Most guys on staff in the NFL are not going to change teams mid-season. Same with hiring a HC.

You have to either choose from within the organization, or from a guy who's not in the NFL right now. Either one seems like a bad option.

Snyder could put somebody like Holmgren on retainer to help him in identifying candidate GM and HC. With the understanding that, unlike the Dark Lord, he can't choose himself to be either.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 19, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Didn't Vinny hire those dudes too?

Posted by: mack1 | October 19, 2009 11:44 AM |
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Don't know.

Here's a list I got from the Warpath. Not sure if it's complete, but it's dated January 2009:

Executive Vice President of Football Operations Vinny Cerrato (2008)
Focus: Oversees all personnel (scouts, trainers, video editors, etc.), long-term strategist for draft and free agency
Experience: We all know it, but here it is: Director of College Scout with San Fran (1991-1994), Director of Player Personnel with San Fran (1995-1998) and Redskins (1999-2000, 2002), VP of Football Operations (2003-2007)

Director of Player Personnel: Scott Campbell (2008)
Focus: Oversees all scouting, leads preparation leading up to draft day (think of him sort of as an Offensive Coordinator of scouting). He’s the point person in the off-season.
Experience: Scout with the Falcons (1990-1997), Director of Pro Personnel with the Bears (2000) and Redskins (2001,2006-2007), Director of College Scouting with the Redskins (2002-2005)

Area Scout: Tim Gribble (2003)
Focus: Colleges in the Northeast (like all scouts, he's given a mission statement essentially, put together by the top executives including Zorn and his top assistants to find certain types of players and unearth hidden gems)
Experience: Pro Personnel assistant with the Redskins (i.e. paper pusher) (2002)

Area Scout: Shemy Schembechler (2001)
Focus: Colleges in the Midwest
Experience: Scouting assistant with the Chiefs and Bears (1996-2000)

Area Scout: Jim Zeches (2005)
Focus: Colleges in the West Coast
Experience: Area scout with the Niners (2001-2004)

Area Scout: Chip Flanagan (2008)
Focus: Colleges in the Southwest
Experience: Scouting assistant with the Redskins (2005-2007)

National Scout: Russ Bollinger (2005)
Focus: Colleges across the country
Experience: Area scout for the Jaguars (1994-1995), Director of College Scouting for the Lions (1996-2004)

Director of Pro Personnel: Morocco Brown
Focus: Oversees practice squad personnel, pro player evaluation (including free agents and other leagues such as CFL), in charge of advanced scouting of next opponent. He’s the point person in the regular season.
Experience: Assistant Director of Pro Personnel Bears (2002-2007), assistant scout with the Redskins (2000-2001)

Pro Scout: Alex Santos (2009)
Focus: Assists Morocco Brown with advanced scouting and pro player evaluation
Experience: Pro Personnel assistant with the Redskins (2006-2008)

Pro Scout: Don Breaux (2008)
Focus: Just lending his eyes and ears and years of NFL experience
Experience: None in scouting

Pro Scout: Don Warren (2005)
Focus: Assists Morocco Brown with advanced scouting and pro player evaluation
Experience: If you don’t know, turn in your Warpath card (TE: 1979-1992)

VP Football Administration: Eric Shaffer (2004)
Focus: Manage the money
Experience: Player agent with IMG

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 19, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

and the other after the long completion to Moss on which he was so wide open that Campbell probably would have competed it, too.

Posted by: rbpalmer | October 19, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

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I wouldn't count on that. For every down the field reception that Campbell makes to Moss when he's wide open, there are 3-5 where he completely overthrows him. That's the one thing Collins has over Campbell which is very tangible to see, down field accuracy and touch. Was evident two years ago under Gibbs when Collins replaced Campbell for that playoff run and it was evident yesterday.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Teams have figured this out about the offense: 1) Mike Sellers is another offensive lineman and defenses can ignore him in the running game or passing game, 2) when Betts is in the backfield, the play is a pass, 3) play bump and run coverage on the wide receivers because Campbell can't hit the deep pass, 4) man to man coverage is good enough for any wide receiver not named Moss or Cooley because Campbell won't throw to them, 5) line up three pass rushers over a tackle and 9 times out of 10 it will result in a sack, 6) on first down, key on Portis, 7) on 3rd and long play 3 deep zone and Campbell will always bite on the underneath guy short of the first down.

This is enough info for any defense to shut Washington down. If silly old arm chair QB RedSkinHead can figure this out, I have to believe every defensive coordinator in the league knows this as well.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 19, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

While we are replacing people can we replace Jason Reid?

Posted by: jmy999 | October 19, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I think you need to get rid of Vinny sooner rather than later. Right now a good GM is looking at trades and scouting college kids, may want to get a new GM now to get the scouting priorities right (Because now I am guessing he is telling scouts to focus on the corners).

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

The problem is that most of the best candidates are employed with other teams, and would not be willing to interview with other teams, much less leave, during the season.

Posted by: rbpalmer | October 19, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

they are embarassing Zorn. I cant belive he didnt step aside. What is he still doing here???

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 11:42 AM

Uh, he signed a contract? If he doesn't honor the contract, he doesn't get paid.

Are you independently wealthy, or do you have to work for a living? If you need a paycheck, then maybe you will understand Zorn's situation.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Don't get stupid, people. The defense is still good enough to win, and win a lot. It's not their fault the offense scores 6 points in a game. You don't trade players for the sake of trading players, especially young guys.


Posted by: psps23 | October 19, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't put it past DS. CHRISLARRY's post is good. A mea culpa by SNYDER would be a great start.

Posted by: glawrence007 | October 19, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

The problem is that I don't see Snyder rebuilding because he has invested so much in the defense and probably thinks he has a great defense to count on. Therefore, he'll just think the offense needs some work, go after a couple of O lineman and QB, and think problem solved. And another form of crap will be spawned on the field.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 19, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I know I am going to get roasted for posting this but hey it makes the day interesting for me but trade for Vick. Seriously, why not? Its not like our offense can be any worse at this point and at least he ran somewhat run for his life behind this line, plus Campbell isnt going to be here next year, he is gone, and we will need a QB so lets see what he can do, trade one of our DT that were are trying to trade anyway for Vick. The eagles arn't playing him so its not like they will get alot for him in a trade after the season so why not make the trade. No one is going to give us an OL for our DT. So lets get Vick, again at least he can take off and run which is probably all he is good for right now anyway but as I said that is way more offense than we have right now. Ok go ahead and blast me. This should make for an interesting day.

Posted by: hudginsc | October 19, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

And to continue...
If I were Buges, I'd cut the plays they practice down to about 20 and run them over and over and OVER.

And then run them again.

Sundays, MM, Aldridge, Mason, DT, MK, Sleepy Davis, get plenty of snaps. Keep JC at QB, while ditching as much of the stupid WCO as you possibly can.

Try to trade Betts for anything positive.

Ask CP if he wants we should trade him. He's given a lot to the organization and deserves a shot somewhere if he can get it. If that doesn't work out, CP gets plenty of rest while collecting his check.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 19, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Excuses are like a A-holes, and the redskins have a crap load of em.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 19, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Bravo to those that agree with me on Campbell. Sure we have more pressing needs..I just want everyone to stop making excuses for him

Its not working and you can add QB to the list of things we need.

I know Collins didnt fare much better...however he was more decisive with the ball and did get us points albeit FG's.

(Thank you Portis for NOT making one last cut back for a TD...but go sit down and take a rest. that 78 yard run must have a fine tuned athlete like you all tired!)

Dont mistake this as a Collins is the answer to our problems...its not.

Its sad that a 5th year QB from Auburn with all this potential that we hear about gets less results than a 40 year old career backup.

Posted by: OVIHtrick8 | October 19, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I know I am going to get roasted for posting this but hey it makes the day interesting for me but trade for Vick. Seriously, why not?

Posted by: hudginsc | October 19, 2009 12:00 PM

Because it doesn't solve anything. Vick doesn't play on the O line.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I guess I am considered by some a Campbell apologist, for the record though I think Campbell sucked up a storm in that first half. No excuses for that, thing is Collins had 1 good play and then nothing (countered by 1 terrible play to lose the game), which was 1 more big play then Campbell.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

The only issue I see with Buges as interim coach is that the O-line needs him now more than ever...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | October 19, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Zorn made the mistake of signing on as the fall guy for Snyder and Cerrato. At least Josh McDaniels was an OC for awhile-Zorn was only a quarterbacks coach. But even Mcdaniels would have failed with the systematic neglect of the O-line by the FO, and the tragically incoherent drafts they've made .. Snyder doesn't have a clear vision for the team, reaching for straws on a whim..His ego won't allow him to concede his incompetence, my dream of Redskin and Budweiser Sundays before the nukes and viruses hit , down in flames..C'est La F***'in' Vie..

Posted by: frak | October 19, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Whats up with "Redskins Insider" multiple new sources are reporting Sherman Lewis has been named the play caller moving forward

yet still no word here?

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: hudginsc | October 19, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Why would the Eagles trade a decent player to a rival in their own division that could potentially really help that team? And why would they trade a player that could give the Skins tips on their offensive scheme and playbook to a rival? Try again

Posted by: ga8085 | October 19, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

The Mayor is staying Medium in his approach....

Posted by: OVIHtrick8 | October 19, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Whats up with "Redskins Insider" multiple new sources are reporting Sherman Lewis has been named the play caller moving forward

yet still no word here?

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Um it was reported here already check the main page.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I don't think we have hit rock bottom yet.

Rock Bottom is not being competitive against any NFC East opponent at home.

Posted by: NFeKPo | October 19, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I guess I am considered by some a Campbell apologist, for the record though I think Campbell sucked up a storm in that first half. No excuses for that, thing is Collins had 1 good play and then nothing (countered by 1 terrible play to lose the game), which was 1 more big play then Campbell.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

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I think the issue gets clouded as a Collins vs. Campbell thing. For me it's not how many plays Collins makes in comparison to Campbell.... but rather how frequently Campbell completely misses open opportunities for big plays. There were two in the first half of this game alone, and it's an on-going them with him.

That Collins can make one play where Campbell can't, just highlights the inadequacy a bit more.

Even with a crappy offensive line in front of him, there are plays to be made. Rodgers and Roethlisburger have similar line situations and make plays when they have opportunities.


Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Beating up on Campbell and Zorn is really nitpicking. Look at the big picture:

This team has hired 6 coaches and had 10 starting QBs (including 2 drafted by Skins in the 1st round) over the past decade.

This is simply a dysfunctional franchise. Hiring the 7th coach and 11 starting QB in 10 years will not fix this team's ills.

Gibbs stemmed the bleeding for awhile, but he was not able to cure this team's sickness. Stability and a "team" concept are lacking, and that is ultimately the problem.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 19, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

The only issue I see with Buges as interim coach is that the O-line needs him now more than ever...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | October 19, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

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Yeah, Jerry Gray makes the most sense since there are two defensive back coaches. It might have been Blache, but I don't think he wants it. Probably why he's not talking to the media.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

The problem is that most of the best candidates are employed with other teams, and would not be willing to interview with other teams, much less leave, during the season.

Posted by: rbpalmer

I guess I went into that statement assuming that no good GM will come to work here.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

So are we worse than the Raiders now that we lost to the Chiefs and the Eagles will destroy us on Monday Night??

I recommend all Redskins fans sell there tickets to Filthy Fans or just no show...to give good old Dan the Middle finger on national television.

Im not trying to be a negative nancy..Im just tired of this mediocre to absolute crappy team put on the field year in and year out. I mean...I have to worry that some players might read what Im typing and get there feelings hurt!

Posted by: OVIHtrick8 | October 19, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I guess I went into that statement assuming that no good GM will come to work here.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

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Depends on the paycheck and also what Snyder promises as far as control.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Even with a crappy offensive line in front of him, there are plays to be made. Rodgers and Roethlisburger have similar line situations and make plays when they have opportunities.


Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

See I think the issue is not the big plays its the basic plays and sunday neither player could make the basic plays, we had no 10 yard passes, it was dump or deep.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Depends on the paycheck and also what Snyder promises as far as control.

Posted by: dfbovey

I disagree, I think we could offer Scott Peoli 30 mill a year and he still is not going to come here.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

This is simply a dysfunctional franchise. Hiring the 7th coach and 11 starting QB in 10 years will not fix this team's ills.

Gibbs stemmed the bleeding for awhile, but he was not able to cure this team's sickness. Stability and a "team" concept are lacking, and that is ultimately the problem.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 19, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

losing is a cancer

New coach/New QB = band aid.

It's what we've been doing and it doesn't work. We need to build an offensive line this year and just suck it up until we are in a position to get our franchise QB. We need to stop aqcuring these high ticket free agents. We don't have the cap room to have a franchise qb and all the expensive vets.

New offensive line = chemo

This will fix the offense for years to come. Does anyone know any teams with a great offensive line that still suck?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I guess I went into that statement assuming that no good GM will come to work here.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

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Depends on the paycheck and also what Snyder promises as far as control.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 12:16 PM


And this is where the rubber meets the road. Snyder has made such a wreck of this team that he will have to offer big bucks and big control. If he doesn't he will end up hiring the Jim Zorn of GM's: me.

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Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: GreatOne1 | October 19, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I think the issue gets clouded as a Collins vs. Campbell thing. For me it's not how many plays Collins makes in comparison to Campbell.... but rather how frequently Campbell completely misses open opportunities for big plays. There were two in the first half of this game alone, and it's an on-going them with him.


Campbell definitely missed DT on the go pattern. There is no reason why Santana shouldnt have caught that pass down the middle. JC did not play well yesterday but why does Santana always get a pass? I wasnt a perfect pass but it was definitely catchable. He is supposed to be the number one receiver he should play like it.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 19, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

See I think the issue is not the big plays its the basic plays and sunday neither player could make the basic plays, we had no 10 yard passes, it was dump or deep.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 12:18 PM

Excellent observation! That trend almost guarantees your offense will be low-scoring, because the normal plays aren't working.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 19, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

- Add yours here.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2009 10:22 AM

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Watching Tamba Hali rush past Heyer for the essentially meaningless, but humiliating, safety to end the game.

Apropos, however.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 19, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I disagree, I think we could offer Scott Peoli 30 mill a year and he still is not going to come here.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse


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You might need to set your eyes on more realistic targets who are either assistants to good GMs or who aren't currently under contract.

If I'm talking about possible headcoach hires, I'm not going to mention Bill Belicheck.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

From Dan Daly:

At any rate, the coach said, "this offense is better than six points - 100 percent better."

OK, so it's a 12-point offense. That still ain't good.
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He stepped right into that one...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

we had no 10 yard passes, it was dump or deep.

Exactly...the ENTIRE offensive scheme needs to be scrapped...

The only person who they can throw a 10-20 yard pass to is Cooley....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who like Bugel for HC I have one question. What was his stance on the OL during the offseason?

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | October 19, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I know I am going to get roasted for posting this but hey it makes the day interesting for me but trade for Vick. Seriously, why not?

Posted by: hudginsc | October 19, 2009 12:00 PM

Because it doesn't solve anything. Vick doesn't play on the O line.

I agree with you that we need O linehelp but were not going to get anyone decent until after the season is over. No one is going to give up a good Offensive lineman during the season even if they are a backup, O linemen go down every week, so no one is going to give one up midseason. At least with Vick he could run for a few yards every play, hey maybe that would open up the running game. Yesterdays game showed me that our Offense cant get any worse.

Posted by: hudginsc | October 19, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

The only person who they can throw a 10-20 yard pass to is Cooley....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 12:26 PM

That's a five yard pass followed by a run of 5-15 yards at a glacial pace.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

"Does anyone know any teams with a great offensive line that still suck?"

Do you think the Jets suck? Every single guy on their OL was drafted in the first round.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 19, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

See I think the issue is not the big plays its the basic plays and sunday neither player could make the basic plays, we had no 10 yard passes, it was dump or deep.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

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Kinda beside the point I was making... but I agree that the intermediate game is completely missing from this offense.

The only player who really produces regularly in that regard is Cooley. And I think that's in part due to the emphasis put on the big play heading into this season. If the big play isn't there, they dump it.

Seems to be by design, which is odd. It's supposed to be a west coast offense, but I rarely see a slant pattern.


Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Where are all the Campbell apologists now???

Posted by: BenchCampbell


Understanding why it took so long to bench him...

Yeah BENCH CAMPBELL...that's the solution, that will make the Redskins great and fix all their booboos. All you have to do is correct the QB position and by golly it's Superbowl, here we come.

Posted by: TheCork | October 19, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I have been waiting the better part of a decade for the slap in the face that will finally wake Snyder up and hopefully launch an intelligent re-building of this once proud franchise. Hopefully a 2-14 season will be the necessary catalyst. The "to do" list to get started on that 2-3 year process is as follows:

1. Set aside "win now at all costs" mentality and adopt "build a perennial contender" mentality.

2. Fire Vinny Cerato (self-explanatory)

3. Trade any player except Cooley, Orakpo, Jarmon, and Haynesworth for any pick you can get (if used intelligently, 3rd - 7th round picks are great for filling out a roster).

4. Hire experienced GM in off-season and give full authority - Snyder must step out of football operations entirely.

5. Fire entire coaching and scouting staff - sorry Buges, even you have to go. New GM has full authority and salary budget to hire replacements of his choosing.

6. Roster purge in off-season of any untraded veterans whose present and future value does not equal their contracts (a long list of names, to be sure).

7. use 2010 draft primarly to build OL and possibly add QB or LB in 2nd round if good value is avialable.

8. Use the Parcells method when drafting a QB - graduating senior, 3 year starter with at least 21 wins, proven leader with NFL arm - but not a "glamour boy" (i.e. do not use a 1st round pick).

9. Avoid big-name free-agent market for at least 2 years (low cost role players and hole-patches are accceptable).

10. Draft intelligently, with roster building plan in mind, in 2011 and forward.

Is this too much to hope for? I think fans could totally accept a couple of years of rebuilding, if they believed in the method behind it - it certainly couldn't be any worse than what we have endured over the past few years.

Posted by: PDXskin | October 19, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

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