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Monday-Afternoon H-Back

Okay, maybe 11:30 is still considered morning, not really sure, but here's what I got.

Before we examine just how horrible the offense was again in the second half, which just like the New York game cost them a victory (a single first down in the first 25 minutes of the second half of Giants game and they probably are still 4-1), I want to make sure Gregg Williams's bunch gets full props. For the second straight week they completely flummoxed the NFL's top rated passing team. This was a masterful performance, on the road no less, and the D actually was even better in the second half when the Redskins had a 14-7 lead, yet they still found a way to lose.

Also, wanted to make sure to note that the poise, touch and temperament Jason Campbell exhibited yet again was first rate. He battles and keeps raising his game even when others around him falter. If this offensive line has to enter coming weeks with anything close to the unit that closed out this game, though, then I don't want to hear anyone bash this kid no matter what his numbers look like. He was running for his life. Losing C Casey Rabach even for a week or two could be damning.

JC came though very well, and his stat line should look better. Take out the INT - Santana Moss got his hands on the ball and the deflection was unlucky - and the dropped balls (had to be at least 5 in the game, maybe more) and the fact his receivers could not get open against Green Bay's tight press coverage, and he still had a heck of a day. In some ways what he did against a much-tougher Green Bay defense with fading weapons and a tattered line was more impressive to me than even the NFC Player Of The Week outing against Detroit.

(On the injury front, Casey was shuffling along, not able to walk normally and is getting treatment. Says he is unsure of the severity of the injury. Wade (groin) figures he may have to miss some practice but hopes to play Sunday. Heyer says he was told he has a hamstring pull- which he says is worse than a strain - and although moving rather well said he is not sure when he will practice. It may be midweek before we get a better feel on the availability of these guys given the nature of their injuries and how things can change through the week. I suspect they'll be running some free agent tackles and centers through here Tuesday regardless Also looked like CB Leigh Torrence entered the building carrying MRI results).

So, how good was the D you ask?

Well, they held the Pack to 70 NET YARDS in the second half. Yeah, you read that correctly. They held Green Bay to 28 NET PASSING YARDS!! in the second half. Favre went 7-12 for 40 yards, no TDs and 2 picks in the second half (25.0 rating). Green Bay's longest run in the second half was 7 yards - Favre scrambling - and they rushed 20 times for 56 yards in the game (2.8 per carry).

Favre had a 43 rating for the game. Green Bay had one third down conversion in the entire second half.

Besides that 60 yard bomb when the defense had a nasty Cover-2 flashback to 2006, Favre did not complete a pass over 18 yards. Green Bay's longest drive in the second half covered 33 net yards. Clinton Portis fumbles at the Washington 10, the defense makes a stand, Green Bay's kicker misses the field goal attempt and the Pack get zero points out of the entire exchange ... Yet, somehow, again, they overcame a seven-point halftime deficit and won the game. Crazy.

Now, it wasn't a perfect game for the defense. Too often receivers got behind the safeties, but Favre was a chronic under-thrower. Sean Taylor could have had 4 picks easy.

But let's look at the big picture. This defense has given up 5 TDs all season, and 3 came in one bad half against the G-men (when, again, had the offense gained a single first down to give them a breather and stem the tide, they may have won anyway). Miami got that one fluky TD pass before the half in Week 1, and Green Bay had the scoring drive with the 60-yard pass Sunday, and that's it all season.

Which brings us to the offense.

The Redskins wasted a seven-minute advantage in first-half time of possession, as their territorial dominance often fails to be reflected on the scoreboard, because for the most part they struggle to crack 20 points. The offense has scored just 10 touchdowns through 5 games. They have more than two touchdowns in a game just once - the Detroit blowout.

And obviously this game turned when Santana Moss fumbled that reverse, where had the offense been able to just protect and catch the football it still likely would have been enough to preserve this lead even with their lack of scoring..

So, why did they call that play, anyway?

Well, at the time, early in the second half when the offense had been moving the ball well up to that point, it had me scratching my head. Didn't get it then, don't get it now.

Much like some of the end arounds and direct snaps to Portis in recent weeks, it leaves me baffled. Coach Joe sez that play gained 30 yards last time they called it, but no one was fooled on that defense, Moss failed to turn it outside and found himself amid the trees and he got stripped far too easily. Woodson took it to the house and that was it. The offense never came close to recovering. Want to get a better look at it later on the Tivo when I get a chance, but Campbell and Chris Samuels were the only two guys I saw really busting their hump to get to Woodson after he scooped up the ball from what I saw Sunday, and that's not good enough.

(With all the hard-nosed, Buddy Ryan types on this defensive staff, it's probably a good thing Al Saunders calls plays from the pressbox, because if this stuff keeps up somebody might lose his you know what and come out swinging. There's a mounting tension there, folks. We'll keep an eye on it.)

Moss was already having a bad day, and this made it horrible (to say nothing of the drop down the sidelines on the next drive that turned out to be his last play, or the interception that bounced from his hands). The Skins were having much better success through the air than on the ground, and if you want to run the ball there with someone other than a tailback, call more fullback dives for Iron Mike Sellers on second-and-five. If you want to get gutsy, then let Jason air it out deep and if you turn it over near their end zone, so be it.

The fumble-itis has to stop no matter what. The Redskins have put the ball on the ground 12 times the last 3 games and 9 in the last 2 games. Portis has been involved in fumbles - either his own or bad exchanges with Jason - in three straight games. Luckily for them, the Redskins have lost 4 of them, which is far too many but not nearly as bad as it could have been.

Yeah, but one play, one fumble can't cost the game, right? What else could the offense come up with in the second half?

Nada. It was 2004 bad, people. Washington had the ball 9 times in the second half; not one of those possessions took even 2:50 off the clock. Only one drive was more than 5 plays. No drive was longer than 39 yards. The Redskins never got inside the Green Bay 33.

The defense gave them the ball twice in the second half off INTs, they got it once off a missed field goal and started another drive in Green Bay territory after Rock Cartwright, who was playing his swinging soul off, again, returned a kickoff 40 yards. And they did absolutely nothing with any of it, This from the same offense that close the first half with an 8 play, 63 yard TD drive in which 5 of the plays went for 10 yards or more.

Their second half possessions went: Punt, Punt, Fumble, Punt, Punt, Fumble, Downs (Betts stopped on 4th and 2 pass), Punt, Downs (JC swarmed by the D Line the entire drive).

Weird. They just have a knack for imploding in the second half.

The injuries must have something to do with it?

Oh yeah, the Pack was tee-ing off on that O Line in the second half. The right side was already iffy, and after Wade left and then Rabach it got ugly fast. No team can survive this kind of rash. It's like all the good fortune of the preseason - Samuels not being out longer, Campbell somehow avoiding serious injury on that hit - has now gone the other way, from center right through right tackle. We'll know more on the injuries later in the day and I'll post info as soon as I get it. Wade seemed to think he'd be okay after missing some practice and Casey told me he thought he may have heard a pop like his groin was torn, but was so hopped up on painkillers that he couldn't be sure.

Having to go with Pucillo - Fabini - Heyer, well, that right there might be enough to get JC hurt (and losing Pucillo as the tackle eligible will impact that jumbo package they love to run as well). Heyer got turned inside out several times and missed some blocks on DBs out in space (once when Woodson pounded Portis for a loss). Exchange issues between Pucillo and Campbell were inevitable. Fabini is not a natural guard and his very limited athleticism.

It became obvious in the second half the only chance the Redskins had at all was left, particularly pitches off tackle, and they went nowhere. Portis's last three runs went left for a total of five yards, including the fumble when he was gang tackled.

What about that the running game?

It's hitting rock bottom and given the state of the O Line that's no shocker. Portis is slumping - 20 carries for 64 yards (3.2) and they rushed 29 times for 94 yards as a team (3.2). What was supposed to be their strength and identity has been torn from them.

Over the last 4 games the Skins have rushed 124 times for just 424 yards - 3.4 per carry. Almost a yard and a half off their goal and more than half yard below the NFL average..

Portis has 69 rushes for 265 yards in those games - 3.8 per rush.

Betts has 24 runs for 55 yards - 2.3 per and a cause for pause.

These two worked great in unison in Week 1, but the rotation has been a bust since. Betts is not explosive in the mold of a third-down back like Ronnie Harmon or Eric Bieniemy. He was a force last season with Portis out due to steady repetition getting stronger in the second half, exploiting holes in the zone blocking scheme. Ladell has said this adjustment back to the bench has been much tougher than he thought and it's showing on the field. They'd better figure something out.

Any standouts on O besides JC?

Cooley was dominant in the first half, before the line fell apart.

They have to get McCardell more involved. He's seen very limited action yet had two catches of basically 20 yards each against Detroit and when eh finally got a chance in the second half Sunday caught two more balls for 30 yards. He and Randle El were the only WRs to catch the ball, and they entire receiving group combined for 60 yards.

Lloyd was Lloyd. He had his chance on that deep ball that could have put the game away. It was a very tough ball and was slightly over-thrown. Not a gimme and no one is going to attack him for not making the play ... but some $10-million receivers make it. He could have made a lot of instant friends had he hauled it in.

I don't think Randle El was himself. Thrash was on the field more than him and the misty, chilly conditions could not have been good for Antwaan's hamstring. I understand why he played and he was clearly healthy enough to play, but wasn't that full throttle downfield threat we've seen this season. He also factored into the quirkiest stat of the day - Green Bay punted 8 times, yet only one was returned for a total of 4 yards (by Randle El).

Four times Randle El called for a fair catch. One was returned (the 4 yards). One was downed. One went out of bounds. One was a touchback.

What about the Redskins punter, Frosty, how was he?

Actually, he's the hidden culprit in this whole thing. Skins went from pristine field position in the first half - average start at the 32; Pack at its 25 - to awful in the second half. At a time when the offense badly needed a lift, Frost twas shankful.

He punted 5 times in the second half. Those punts traveled: 36, 34, 42, 40, 38. Even with scant return yards on any of them, that's not good enough. He's had a helluva season and maybe the slick conditions had something to do with it, but I know he'd want some of those punts back.

So, what's this mean for the future?

Heck if I know. This team adopts a different personality each week and pretty much have since I've been covering them. Whenever you think they're going to break through and make a real statement week after week, they regress (save for the final 5 games of 2005). Whenever you want to count them out, they generally rise to the occasion.

This Arizona game is big. They somehow blow this and all of a sudden it's 2-3 in the NFC, and 3-3 overall, with the Pats looming on the road. Gulp. The Cardinals once-intriguing two-headed QB monster is now, after injuries to Leinart and Warner, just good 'ol Tim Rattay, who lost to a just-out-of-retirement Vinnie T. over the weekend.

This one smells like dinner to me, and I think it will be, but I am the first to admit my feel for this team is often wrong. They're awful hard to figure. But the NFC is pretty much a joke any way you slice it, though, and any team that stays within eyeshot of .500 most of the season will be in this thing.

Anyway, also wanted to show Chris Wilson some blove (blog love) for getting thatg sack. Could have been a huge play and he's a great kid and a pretty amazing story. Will post more on the injuries through the day.

Cheers.

By Jason La Canfora  |  October 15, 2007; 11:33 AM ET
 
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The Football Gods did not smile on the Redskins on Sunday. Looking forward to October 28th- we can only hope a sacrifice- perhaps Lloyd- will appease them in time to prevent another record breaking performance by the Brady Bunch.

Posted by: hman1217 | October 15, 2007 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Panties!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 11:52 AM | Report abuse

If you look at the replay of the Woodson return, you'll see many players busting their hump to try and catch him. Including, of course, Clinton Portis, who was in an all out sprint from halfway downfield. That one phrase in the MMHB makes me bristle. The team did not get outhustled. They shot themselves in the foot and lost. But there was no quit out there, so let's not intimate that there was.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 15, 2007 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Damn that was one long story. Great to be back in the house after Ramadan.

Where to begin?
1. I have to give double G credit. He has the D playing very well.
2. JC is becoming all that I said he would. (remember last year I kept calling for him and said he would be good)
3. If we call one more damn reverse I am coming down there and smack crazy Al myself.

Posted by: jm220 | October 15, 2007 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Diddy, agreed, I saw Portis tearing down the sidelines as well. There was not a lack of hustle on that one.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 15, 2007 11:55 AM | Report abuse

trade betts today for a starting tackle/ guard....we can make it with the sellers/ cartwright/ mason tandum as a backup to cp

Posted by: rlm | October 15, 2007 11:59 AM | Report abuse

rlm I agree. Betts haven't shown anything this year. The O line is now a big concern.

Posted by: jm220 | October 15, 2007 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, sad, especially since I watched the game with a Packers fan buddy.

You can't over-emphasize the ding to the O-line. Without the dance team on full coordination and at full strength, it's just impossible to do anything. There're always some what-ifs in a loss, but it's still a loss and can't be undone.

My pre-season prediction was that we'd score a lot of points and hold our opponents to very few points. Well. that's half right at this point. We'll have to see if we can coach a miracle out of the O-line. If not. we're going to see a tired and beat up defense eventually. Injuries are our un-doing at this point. Though I was glad to see the "angry" St. Joe, may his players heal like they were on Star Trek, now it's down to patch work time. And "hope" has, unfortunately, becoem a key componnent to our game plan.

Posted by: Neil | October 15, 2007 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Wow great post, a home run....thanks for great anaylsis.....can't argue anything here......

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 12:00 PM | Report abuse

"...Betts is not explosive in the mold of a third-down back like Ronnie Harmon or Eric Bieniemy..."

Wow, I haven't heard those names in years!
Eric "Sleeping with" Bieniemy.

Posted by: Dx5 | October 15, 2007 12:02 PM | Report abuse

It takes two to tango, and a salary cap to manage. Someone has to want Betts and someone has to want to give up a starting offensive lineman. I doubt we'll see any trades after tonight's game. You never know, but it's doubtful.

Sometimes the injury bug comes in droves. It's football, it's life, it's the way it is.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 15, 2007 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I was too busy cursing, sobbing, defending myself from agressive bar patrons to judge the hustle on woodson's fumble-6

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 12:03 PM | Report abuse

If I recall correctly, on the reverse, had Moss cut it back towards the middle of the field, there was some clear sailing.

However, I'd prefer that it not get called again this year.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 15, 2007 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Wow, the Sunday morning bar scene is pretty rough out in NYC, huh CL? Defending yourself?

Posted by: P Diddy | October 15, 2007 12:05 PM | Report abuse

JM!!!! Wassup man, good to have you back.

Nice work JLa.

Posted by: Skinz | October 15, 2007 12:05 PM | Report abuse

JM220 your return warms my soul, and sharpens my comedy instincts on this dark, dreary monday...

welcome bacK! Hope your Ramadan was good/spirtual or whatever!

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Indeed, welcome back jm.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 15, 2007 12:06 PM | Report abuse

WOW! GREAT POST, JlaC! Thank you for the sense!!

And from previous thread:

OMFG - you guys are actually asking a player to TAKE HIMSELF out of a game?! And then complain when he does... (see CP criticism)

Skinz - A great player like Moss will always want to go in a game - even if he shouldn't. What - he's a doctor?! Weren't they saying on the broadcast that an integral GB player was out 3 weeks w/ a groin?? And if you look at my posts ALL LAST WEEK - I called the Moss issue. So have some pie yourself. It's a frekkin' Groin! you don't come back from that in a week. He hasn't been the same all season.

And DallA$$ fan Gibbs Poster - looks like you're up for a second helping - Want some pu$$y whip w/ that?!? hahahahahahah!!!

Posted by: DIK | October 15, 2007 12:00 PM

Posted by: Dik | October 15, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Yeah,

Actually a healthy amount of skins fans, and we were doing our thing at a few tables, respecting other fans, cheering for our team....as soon as that play happened we had all these people in our face screaming at us...it was really weird....

I am a calm respectful dude, but I hate when that isnt paid to me...so then I start to get lippy etc......bad scene....these sports bars atmospheres to watch skins are seriously taking years off my life...

My motto is "Hey I am nice, but don't step to me!"

I even called some eagles fan the "C" word after she taunted us...luckily she and her BF didn't hear....

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

In my 22 years of being a Redskins fan, I can't remember the last time I was so disappointed in a team effort as I was with this loss.
This team gave up, i don't care what anyone says. Clinton Portis gave up on that running play that ended up as a fumble. Santana Moss did lose that game for us, and he should be disgusted with his play. We had the Packers and the defense played with intensity. Chris Coolety and Jason Campbell played great but ticks me off is the two main leaders on this team... gave up. I feel that Mr.Portis won't be around next year and that Mr. Moss is too small and injury prone to be a factor.All I have to say is, you better redeem yourself next week.

Posted by: Jeff | October 15, 2007 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Jasno,

Great post dude!! I seem to remember a graphic on TV that the skins recievers had dropped 5 passes just BEFORE Moss lost the one that hit him in the face.

Did Sellers even get a carry? When he cranks that superdiesel and hits the line, it's going to move!

Posted by: Redskinrex | October 15, 2007 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Nice post, Jasno. If anything we redskins' fans are a manic bunch and it nice to highlight both the positive and negative after a week like this.

Any word on that exchange between Portis and Williams after Portis' fumble in the second half?

Posted by: Icarus | October 15, 2007 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Wow, my motto is "E Pluribus Unum". Roughly translated: "Another shot, and one for my friend as well, please."

I don't know if I can watch a football game I actually cared about in a bar. I enjoy the whole pacing around the room bit way too much. And it's going to be a nail-biter of a season if this O-line isn't healthy...

Posted by: P Diddy | October 15, 2007 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if the reason we're not seeing these power runs in short yardage situations is because the coaching staff has no confidence in the makeshift offensive line to move the pile. That would be my guess at this point, because otherwise I'm still perplexed at that 3rd and 2 pass-instead-of-run.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 15, 2007 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Fantastic post, Jasno

Godspeed, Casey, Randy, Todd, Stephon, Santana, Antwan, and Marcus.

Forget anyone?

Posted by: bangkokben | October 15, 2007 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Great post and great analysis!

Here's my take:

1) Some want to blame coaching...No way in hell you can blame the coaches for this one. The players blew this one.

2) I would NOT trade Ledell Betts now!!! What kind of value would you get? I'm looking for an all pro O-lineman for him and who's gonna give that up now?

3) Portis is not healthy! He needs to quit that dumb azz "players club" show and get himself healthy.

4) This is a good team. Leave the FO out of this. We have enough talent to win! We had enough depth to win, but no team can lose as many O-lineman as we have an stay consistent.

5) On Santana Moss...he's a baller and if any of you have played sports, you know even the best have bad games, but it's how you respond. I'd go play action for a bomb to him on the 1st play from scrimmage.

6) Jason Campbell is very good. This is his 11th start!!! This kid has it, and when your receivers and supporting cast can't rise to his level, then we've got problems.

Posted by: sicwidit | October 15, 2007 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Well if it isn't jm220. Let me have the pleasure of introducing myself. I'm Dx5 formally D-Boyzx5, needless to say I'm a Cowboys fan who chooses to post here on RI. I figure you are also a Redskins fan, so for the sake of argument (Which we all crave) I will not get into an endless debate of "My team is better than your team" nonsense. I see this is a football savy community for the most part, so football, and football only is usually the topic of discussion from me. I enjoy the comments from Skin fans and others as well. Most blogs have a unofficial ringmaster (I take it that title belongs to Nate in the PDX) or regulator, followed by all of the other posters. Some have welcomed, some have hated, but I was told to beware of the return of jm220. All my days, I have waited for the encounter with the legendary jm, its finally here.

Posted by: Dx5 | October 15, 2007 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Jasno, this might be the best post I've ever seen from you. Not the funniest mind you -- but the best analysis. I can't really argue with it, and you pointed out some interesting storylines that bear watching.

It looks like the defense will have to carry this team Ravens-2000-style until the offensive line gets some more bodies in the mix. But even if they do, where will the chemistry be? It sucks, and I'm concerned that injuries will kill what began as a promising season.

Posted by: jcabana | October 15, 2007 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I agree with this take on Moss for the next game. What other way can you regain confidence?

"On Santana Moss...he's a baller and if any of you have played sports, you know even the best have bad games, but it's how you respond. I'd go play action for a bomb to him on the 1st play from scrimmage."

true, true

Posted by: Dx5 | October 15, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

JM220's hammer, meet DBAGX500!

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Bram just said on the radio that Santana was out on the field, running, first thing this morning. I hope he takes some time to work out with the jugs machine.

I think he gets it together this week and has a monster game on Sunday. Like I said yesterday, he will be determined to work harder to make sure he doesn't have another game that even remotely resembles yesterday's outing.

Posted by: JustMe | October 15, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Trading Betts is just stupid to even talk about. Portis isn't playing at 100 percent, but people want to trade his backup? Makes no sense. Also, stating that a combination of Cartwright/Sellers/Mason could replace him is, also foolish.

JM, welcome back.

Posted by: GregBoston) | October 15, 2007 12:30 PM | Report abuse

so hard being a Reskins fan...

Posted by: GusInLeesburg | October 15, 2007 12:30 PM | Report abuse

>>> Leave the FO out of this.

Two words.

Draft picks.

As for Santana: He needs to be healthy and part of that is getting himself ready for the season.

Betts? He's serviceable, but can't make something out of nothing. With this O-line, anyone short of Barry Sanders isn't going to get it done running the ball.

Time to go West Coast offense, hope the punter is worth his salt, and play 'em tight to the vest. Hit some deep balls every now and then. Quick drop, ball on target. No long-developing plays where blocking is required (ie reverses, end arounds, sweeps, even counter treys). Get some hogs who can block straight ahead and run Cartwright and Sellers just to wear down the defense, get CP some rest.

Posted by: spike_2.0 | October 15, 2007 12:31 PM | Report abuse

It is no surprise that Gibbs has blown another game for the Skins. People are saying that there are too many people is his ear, chefs in the kitchen, etc. The main point is that he is the one that put the chefs in the kitchen so why not let them do their freakin jobs. Obviously he put Saunders there because he didn't have enough faith in himself and his 5.8 million dollar salary.

Closing note - can anyone EXPLAIN the reason for calling two timeouts to come up one yard short on 4th down and not kicking a field goal from the 31 yard line. If he missed they would have been in the same situation anyway.

Posted by: Gee (Md) | October 15, 2007 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Aarrgh! That game was the definition of woulda, shoulda, coulda.
Gotta restore some karma here...

F jm220!

There, that ought to do it. Welcome back, Hammer.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 15, 2007 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Catch the damn ball. The posse just rolled over in there graves. Wait... it just seems like it was that long ago.
Sean Taylor should have had 6 ints. And the strangest part is he caught the most difficult two. The punter was bad. He kicked yesterday like he has for the past two years. Stop throwing the ball to Mike Sellers. Stop running playes that get 0 yards on 3rd and 1 or 4th and 2. Stop running the gimmick plays. The Redskins haven't run a reverse that has worked in 6 years, and that was at practice. I'm glad double G got in some of the offensive players face. The defense, Campbell, and first half Cooley were brilliant. Its kind of a relief that we barely lost a game in which the offense couldn't have played worse. We are going to punish the Cardinals, and lets root for the falcons.

Posted by: Ghost of Gibbs '91 | October 15, 2007 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Warner out, we better win by 50 this weekend, moss better have 2 tds, same with portis

Posted by: Uncle Spence | October 15, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Trading Betts, eh?
And what on earth do you plan on getting in return? Draft picks? O-line help? Sorry skinnies but Betts, while serviceable is not worth a draft pick or linemen. Running Backs in football are a dime a dozen.

Posted by: Dx5 | October 15, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

oh yeah, one more thing. There are 47 coaches and none of them, not one single person has figured out how the clock works. Not one. Maybe Danny should shell out a few mill for one stinking guy whose only guy is to discover how the magic clock works.

Posted by: Ghost of Gibbs '91 | October 15, 2007 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I have a hunch regarding the coaching situation. I see St. Joe retaining his role as team president after this season, but getting off the sideline. I also see Grilliams getting what will amount to an audition as head coach next year (JM220, sorry to piss you off on your first day back, unless you aren't quite so down on Gregg now that the D is playing so much better), what would have been the final year of Coach Gibbs' coaching contract. If things are no better, then they blow the whole thing up (yet again *sigh*) after the 2008 season.

Posted by: JustMe | October 15, 2007 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Rain & Groin injuries = poor offense. Brilliant. NEXT.

Posted by: Dik | October 15, 2007 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Gregg Williams for President.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | October 15, 2007 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I like the idea of trading Betts, given that he is still highly regarded as a RB after his stats last year. Bring in some strong o-line talent. Deactivate B. Lloyd and activate and extra o-lineman. Cooley needs to be running routes, not playing offensive tackle.

Unfortunately this season was shaping up to be something special, but with all of the o-line injuries, I'll be happy if the skins can just stay close to .500 and sneak into the playoffs. By then, We could have Randy Thomas back, and that would really help. Boy do we miss D. Dockery now!!

I do feel like the heart on this team should not be questioned. Those guys truly are fighting their guts out. The offense is doing everything they can do to move the ball, which involves creative plays like the reverse. You can question the playcall because it was fumbled and taken to the house, but at least it keeps defenses honest, and opens up other plays. Al Saunders knows what he's doing. He's using all of the field and all of his players to keep defenses off balance and I support that.

Posted by: Max | October 15, 2007 12:47 PM | Report abuse

We're 3-2 with injuries. If we can hold it together enough to go 2-1 against the Cardinals, Pats and Jets, we'd be 5-3 and in good shape heading into the second half of the season. If not, 4-4 still isn't horrible. The key is to start getting healthy and to stop leaving so many damn points on the field.

Posted by: Glass Half Full? | October 15, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

On profootballtalk.com there is an article suggesting Schottenheimer and Parcells would like to return as GM's. I know how things ended here with Schottenheimer back in 01' and Parcells having any affiliation with the Redskins would be werid. I am curious to see how they would do. I think Parcells and Schottenheimer would be excellent General Managers.

Posted by: Dx5 | October 15, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

BTW - this defense is most likely the best in the NFC, and I think our team is very comparable to Baltimore, a team with a great defense and a struggling offense. Fortunately, you always have a chance to win with a great defense.

Posted by: Max | October 15, 2007 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Official (in case it wasn't obvious before). Kurt Warner out, Tim Rattay in for the Cards this week:

http://www.azcardinals.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=1997

The injuries in the NFL this year are staggering. Will the last man standing please hoist the Lombardi?

Posted by: P Diddy | October 15, 2007 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Glass Half Full is 100% right. Now is not the time to panic. 5-3 heading into the second half of the season would be excellent, and entirely possible.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 15, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Say what you want to about the Moss reverse call, but even JC, who most of you have been drooling over, thought it was a potential TD call. It's easy to criticize when things go wrong.

Posted by: drbatch | October 15, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Dx5 - Snyder will never talk to Shottenheimer again. However, when you look at all of the young talent Parcells brought in to Dallas, I think he would make an excellent GM. Unfortunately, Snyder will never bring in a quality GM. He is too much of a control freak.

Posted by: Max | October 15, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

And does anyone else listen to Redskins radio? I know Sonny and Sam are untouchable, but they're terrible...especially Sam. The two specific Sam'isms that I remember from yesterday include:

1. Saying Campbell should have handed the ball off to the receiver on one of the fake reverse plays because it was open. Sonny correctly said you can't just decide that in the middle of the play.

2. Saying Moss wasn't touched when he fumbled.

There were many more. They're jokes that need to retire.

Posted by: Glass Half Full? | October 15, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

The only good one in the booth, Frank, was canned for me. AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAH

Posted by: Larry Michael | October 15, 2007 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Keep Parcells outta DC!

Posted by: Dik | October 15, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

They're 13 teams that don't have three wins or better, seven of those teams are in the NFC. So lighten' up a little with the damnation allegations.

Posted by: Dx5 | October 15, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody else get the feeling Portis is not quite 100% out there?

Posted by: Max | October 15, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

jm,
welcome back.
carved out a page on the wiki for your next meditation.

Posted by: Stumped | October 15, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Those of you who think Gibbs will do any better in the front office are fooling yourselves. All that man can do is coach, and he can't even really do that very well anymore.

Posted by: Poor Skins fans | October 15, 2007 12:58 PM | Report abuse

The drops weren't just on offense--there were at least two or three more balls that could've been intercepted on D. "22" continues to get inopertune penalties that hurt the team. The o-line couldn't protect. Part of that was that the skins couldn't run the ball. Once you are one dimensional on offense, the D is going to exploit your weakness. Too many injuries. Guys playing hurt when they aren't healthy enough to play with abandon. McCardell looked great. JC overthrew Lloyd on the deep ball and mis-threw on others... the players ultimately didn't make plays--but--the end a round was a terrible call at a weird/bad time and the resulting play was devastating. You don't win with trick plays. You win with execution and hitting the other team in the mouth.

Posted by: James | October 15, 2007 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I actually agree with the post about running Sellars more. Portis needs to get healthy. This loss wasn't on coaching. So what they called the reverse, hold the damn ball. Stop blaming the coaches. They don't play!!! This is still a good team and no one needs to panic. The worst coaching error was not playing Jason Campbell sooner last year. De-activate Reche Caldwell and bring in a couple of O-Lineman.

I'd still take Portis and I'd think twice before letting him go after this season. I think he needs to be healthy. His whole training camp was mis-managed on both sides.

Also...I keep hearing we need a GM...what could a GM have done yesterday to win that game???

It's not much to analyze people. We made too many mistakes.

Posted by: sicwidit | October 15, 2007 12:58 PM | Report abuse

With our offensive line looking like a Baghdad infirmary ward, is it even fair to guess if Portis is 100%? LT couldn't run behind these guys right now.

Posted by: drbatch | October 15, 2007 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Dude, Max, how exactly are we missing DDock? Last I checked we have Kendall who is much better and less expensive, and even with DDock, we'd be in THE EXACT SAME SITUATION. If we kept him we're in the hole an SJKing lot of money and Jansen still out, Wade hurtin, Rabach hurtin, Thomas out....so what you're saying is if we exchange Kendall for DDock we would be all better?! Anyways, Defense rocked yet again and Moss lost us the game, literally. I love him, he's great when he's on, but boy is he off right now. Either way, I still believe we're winning the next couple of weeks, our D will be the best NE has faced, or will face all year!

Posted by: Tweedr01 | October 15, 2007 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Three or less, oooopsie.
Again

Posted by: Dx5 | October 15, 2007 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I don't comment often, but I have to say this. Of all the things wrong with this team, the Jumbo Package is the worst. I think they have had a positive gain from it once, and only because Sellers was running it. Get rid of it and spread the defense, then run Sellers or Portis up the middle.

Posted by: DC Untied | October 15, 2007 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Truly a good bad and ugly.

On the bright side, Jason Campbell. He played extremely well. In tough conditions. On the road. Against a good defense. With a battered o-line. The drops were devastating. Four easy catches ... where the throw was right on the mark ... were dropped. 2 by Moss, including the IMT. Both drops would have gotten us FG position, one first and goal. Sellers and ARE both dropped 3rd down passes that would have gone for first downs. And a big play to Thrash got called back. Thats at least 5 first downs that never happened.

The d was outstanding. They did get a few minor breaks from the refs ... soft calls that went our way. And Rogers did miss that one tackle that was a nasty flashback, as JLC called it. And Favre couldn't hit the long ball. But Taylor dropped two INT's in addition to the ones he got. The pressure up front was good, the tackling good and the GB WR's didn't get open much.

The Skins WR's were ugly. Santana was terrible, his worst game. Sadly, he is right when he says he was the reason they lost. I've been a big Santana fan and hope he comes out of this funk. Lloyd had one very tough shot. I have to wonder if that was a matter of lack of practice together. He is the #5 or 6 receiver. But two guys did show up catching ball. McCardell needs to be one of the top 3 guys. And Cooley was excellent.

Portis, Betts and the o-line were bad. The o line played wiht heart, but were simply too beat up. It was clear to me before the Lions game that the Skins are a pass first team. Their run identity left when Randy went down.

Overall, this game was reason for optimism. Injuries to the o-line are the biggest problem.

Posted by: AL | October 15, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Riggo couldn't run behind that O-line.

Posted by: Dx5 | October 15, 2007 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Please trade Portis and let's get back to smashmouth Skins football. Betts need the carries to make an impact. We all saw what he did last year. That is what we need now.

Posted by: Sly | October 15, 2007 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Once again, I agree with Glass Half Full :-)

I adore Sonny and Sam, but it's time. Maybe Riggo's turn?

I am ambivalent towards Larry Michael.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 15, 2007 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Max, Portis definitely fighting through injuries. Dinged up, but still fighting. Gotta love it! Fumbilitis - gotta hate it. Did anyone else see the report that GB did fumble drills at every practice last week?

Sounds like a plan.

Posted by: Dik | October 15, 2007 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Were the Redskins groins and hamstrings made in China?

Posted by: FW | October 15, 2007 1:04 PM | Report abuse

The D played well but Carlos Rogers still is awful. He's the only guy who makes Fred Smoot actually look somewhat decent as a player and that's saying something. It's the same thing every week; there goes a WR right by Rogers, who we always can see because he's chasing yet another receiver. In addition, two very questionable play calls in the second half. Third and one and they run a sweep with Portis starting about 5 yards deep. Terrible call. Plus fourth and 2 and we throw the usual 1 yard pass. This team will always be average.

Posted by: wolff | October 15, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

We must be doing fumbling drills every week, because we sure have become proficient at it.

Posted by: drbatch | October 15, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Moss is a baller?! Did someone say that?

He QUIT on the team in the 4Q! Do you see anything in Jason's write-up about a Moss injury?

He quit!! Gibbs and that sorry staff over there let him quit.

If he drops a pass in the 2Q of the Arizona game, are we goin' to let him go to the bench and let him pout for the rest of the game?!

Shame.

Posted by: GAD | October 15, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

M. Sellers can run for 4.7 yards per carry behind that o-line apparently.

Posted by: Max | October 15, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

"Their run identity left when Randy went down."

Yes, Randy Thomas is the heart and soul of the running game. His down-field blocking and pull-blocking are irreplaceable.

Where is Ray Brown when you need him?

Posted by: Dx5 | October 15, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

First Vegas line for Sunday is Skins -6.5

Posted by: GAD | October 15, 2007 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Sly, engage your brain before you post. They're not trading Portis. They're playing with a 2nd string center, 2nd string guard, and they were on their 3rd string tackle. Have a clue.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 15, 2007 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I did not have a problem with the reverse call. They need to change things up every once-in-a-while to keep the D guessing. Moss needs to hold onto the ball. If he held onto the ball, it was a 5-yard gain. Also, although I criticize Lloyd heavily, I do not think it was a bad drop on the long throw. Do some recievers make that catch? Yes. But Jason needs to put that right on the money considering the rain. I do agree that Jason had another good game. We just need to limit the mistakes and stop getting injured.

Posted by: BT | October 15, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

With our o-line troubles, anybody suggesting that we develop more of a run identity is just as insane as somebody saying lets just punt the ball on first down every time. When 90% of your o-line is hurt, and the other part is playing injured, you are not going to have any success running the ball. Your only hope is creative playcalling, which can keep the defense off balance. I think the team needs to practice all week on the short slants!!

Posted by: Max | October 15, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Please trade Portis and let's get back to smashmouth Skins football. Betts need the carries to make an impact. We all saw what he did last year. That is what we need now.

Posted by: Sly | October 15, 2007 01:03 PM


I saw what Betts did last year...Fumble the ball whenever the Redskins have the lead and they end up losing.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

How many yards had Moss gained before he fumbled on the reverse...and wasn't the middle of the field "wide open" if he had cut back? How is that a bad call again?

Honestly, I was in the car, listening on the radio but Moss' fumble doesn't make it a bad call.

Posted by: Glass Half Full? | October 15, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

short slants = creative play calling

Posted by: bangkokben | October 15, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Last year (oh, let's just forget last year) the defense was shabby because of injuries and a few weaknesses. Grilliams couldn't run the D he wanted and they got eaten alive.

This year (oh, this year...)the problems have been along the offensive line. So Clinton and Betts have been trying to do more with less (room to run). So the running game has been spotty, at best.

Campbell was running for his life and under the circumstances is holding the ball a little too long. Saunders is limited in the type of play that he can call.

I suspect that reverse was called because the Offense wasn't laying down the blocks necessary for a conventional play. With all the dropped passes what else are you going to do?

Posted by: Stumped | October 15, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Sorry...didn't know BT was going to say the same thing.

Posted by: Glass Half Full? | October 15, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

How come no one has mentioned why Gibbs did not challenge the spot of that 3rd down play to Cooley late in the game. The first down line was around the 30, Cooley seemed to catch the ball right on the line, but got pushed back. Forward progress should have spotted it at the 30, but then Cooley planted his feet and dove forward again right to the marker. The official marked him down where he planted his feet. Replays clearly showed he was in bounds. I thought we should have challenged, at best we would have gotten a first down, at worst instead of 4th and 2 it would have been 4th and inches. Challenging would have cost us a time out, had we lost the challenge, but we still took a time-out before the 4th down, so it made no sense not to challenge it.

Posted by: Ted | October 15, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Sellers can only be effective if he is takes people by surprise. See 5 TD grabs two years ago. If they put someone on him he is not very good.

If our center is out for the year we are F.

CP is hurt, ARE also and Moss they can't make sharp cuts like normal. I would rather keep our groin pull guys out until they are healthy. Give up on NE, beat Cards with reserves.

Maybe we can put Fabine(sp) at tackel and put De Mullings (sp) at his spot. When Wade is 95 percent put his back in.

This sucks!

Posted by: M&M | October 15, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Let me clarify: I think it's okay to call a reverse once, maybe twice a season. They may work really well in high school or college, but this is the NFL and its too easy to read.

Saunders has the right play in that big book, and the reverse wasn't it, but then again, he was down to a handful of plays that might work for the personnel on the field and the situation.

Posted by: Stumped | October 15, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Ted,

I agree. But you make the challenge first not the timeout first. You make the challenge knowing that your going to loose and get charged a TO but the ball will be spotted less than a yard to go.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 15, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

GAD- I hear ya, but honestly were you saying that when Moss was breaking team records in 2005? I don't think so. I don't think he quit. He has a muscle injury, whether groin or hamstring, he will not be 100% or 85 for that matter. He is a deep threat, if a hammy or groin is holding him back, then you can forget about Moss until that thing is 1.000. No, a groin is not located in your hands. Imagine you have a a groin pull, you're running a curl route. (Usually 10 yards off the LOS and turn around) With a curl the ball is expected to be there AS SOON AS the receiver turns around. Can you imagine trying to get position on your defender so you can catch the ball, catch the ball, then try to secure it or get YAC, all while pivoting on a leg with a bad groin or hamstring. Not to sound like a complete jerk, but sometimes you have to play a sport at some level to understand why thses guys have off days, especially when injured.

Posted by: Dx5 | October 15, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Thanks CL, P Diddy, and the rest of the crew.

It's just time for crazy Al to go. His play calling totally sucks! Out of 700 pages the only thing that seems to be called every game is a reverse.

Posted by: jm220 | October 15, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Subtle but important point. The Skins 3 turnovers all happened near the line. One was returned 60 yards. Favre's INTs were both on deep throws. Almost like a punt. I figure a turnover is worth 50 yards of offense from where the play started. I use this to estimate the value of a turnover. The Skins got two INTs worth a total of 40 yards to them because they lost about 60 yards of field position on them (50x2-40). The Pack gained about 50 net yards on their 3 turnovers, most on the fumble return for a TD. Which is about 200 yards. Thats 150 yards of difference between the turnovers. Which is a lot more than 3 points.

Posted by: AL | October 15, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

The Lloyd was open deep twice last game!

One everyone saw, the other on a play JC did not have time to throw.

Rogers is playing very well but still makes some errors.

He can cover for sure now.

Posted by: M&M | October 15, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Dx is making sense this week. Must be cuz the Cowboy bubble bursting.

out

Posted by: bangkokben | October 15, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Rogers is playing very well but still makes some errors.

He can cover for sure now.


Posted by: M&M | October 15, 2007 01:21 PM

He may be able to cover now, but he sure can't tackle!

Posted by: ce1782 | October 15, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Come on, let's not hang Carlos, he blew coverage and got called for interference and missed one tackle (important mistakes), but re-read Jason's post.

We might very well have the best defense in the NFL. Our problems are on offense.

Posted by: Stumped | October 15, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

With all the injurys, could there be something wrong with the conditioning/training camp work?

Posted by: badbob77 | October 15, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

4-12 - Sent you an email earlier today...

Posted by: 4th | October 15, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you Stumped, but if Carlos had made that tackle, we'd all be a lot happier today.

Posted by: ce1782 | October 15, 2007 1:28 PM | Report abuse

im not advocating giving betts away, we would certainly have to get a starting o lineman for him. I think cartwright and betts are the same back, both down hill runners that need a strong o line in front of them. Cartwright doesnt have betts hands but maybe move mason into that position in passing downs. Just a thought..

Posted by: Rlm | October 15, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

"trade betts today for a starting tackle/ guard....we can make it with the sellers/ cartwright/ mason tandum as a backup to cp"

Was this a serious proposal? If so, it is crazy. What team is going to make this deal? A starting O-lineman for a career backup RB? Betts has already shown that last year was a product of our stellar O-line, not his own skill.

Sounds like wade will likely be back next week. Theoretically, they believe Puc can play. Otherwise they had no business going into the year with him as the backup. Going to have to let it play out I think. Lets just hope Rabach can be back for NE. The D alone should be enough to crush Arizona this weekend.

Posted by: Mike H. | October 15, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

no time to panic.. time to pin the ears back.. despite the injuries,dropped balls,turnovers etc.. they never gave up.. the d-fense laid the wood yesterday even though they left several would be take aways on the field... the offense was good (not great) enough to win w/ JC's poise against a stout green-bay D despite having what amounted to the little sisters of the poor blocking up front.. time to get healthy, and get pi$$ed off that they let another on slip away.. they'll be alright, & I'd hate to be tim rat-hey next sunday at the big ugly.. ie. FedEx field

Posted by: sniksder | October 15, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Lemme get this straight "bang-kok-ben", correct? Lol. Nope, Dallas taking that first L has not made me have servings of think soup. I always speak the truth, sort-of-kinda-of, In a G. Dubbya, Tony Montana way.

Posted by: Dx5 | October 15, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Jason -

I sincerely hope you and the rest of the media guys at the Park do not let Gibbs off the Hook with his Time/Clock Management Issues.

He continues to downplay these issues as "Isolated occurrences", but if there has been one thing that has been consistent within the Second Gibbs regime it is:

1. The failure to adjust to the opposing Team's adjustments; and

2. The failure to Manage the Clock in critical end of half/end of game scenarios.

I, for one, am sick of this coaching staff looking like these guys when the clock gets under 5 Minutes. http://www.homestead.com/333maxwell/files/keycop.jpg

Posted by: Keino | October 15, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Short slants will be more productive than the 50-gut with the o-line as banged up as they are. To clarify the short slants are to be used in addition to the creative playcalls. Rollouts are the only way Campbell will have enough time to throw the deep balls, so I think we need to focus on rollouts and short slants, and from time to time let Randal El throw the ball. Creative play calling doesn't win games? Tell Pittsburgh that when they gave Randal El 7-8 option pass plays that worked 95% of the time in their superbowl winning season a few years back.

Posted by: Max | October 15, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Need to back off of Carlos a little I think. It was a poor tackling effort, no question. That said, it was a blown coverage by McIntosh, who bit on the playfake, and so Carlos had a bad angle trying to catch up with the play. Overall, the guy is a pretty sure tackler.

Also, Carlos was good in coverage all day and popped that ball up in the air for a near INT by Taylor in the first half.

Posted by: Mike H. | October 15, 2007 1:35 PM | Report abuse

"...Betts has already shown that last year was a product of our stellar O-line, not his own skill."

8 out of 10 RB's are products of their stellar O-line. RB although with a doubt must have some exceptional skills, is the most overrated position in football.

Posted by: Dx5 | October 15, 2007 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Just skimming but a couple things:

Betts trade. Please file that under Blloyd trade only worse.

Say this all together, "We cannot trade ANYONE who is under a contract with a signing bonus." Now Repeat.


"So have some pie yourself. It's a frekkin' Groin! you don't come back from that in a week. He hasn't been the same all season."

Dik nice response, let's go over your points.

1. "It's a groin" Congratulations you've correctly Identified the injury.

2. "You don't come back from that in a week" Congratulations you've successfully made yourself and medical proffessional while incorrectly stating how long he's been out.

3. "He hasn't been the same all season." I'm not sure that I agree with you but even if I did this countradicts your entire argument that his poor performance is related to his groin.

You aren't even fun to argue with. It's too easy. May god have mercy on your soul. I can't help you.

Posted by: Skinz | October 15, 2007 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Is the coaching staff the problem, or is it the trainers? Clearly the pregame stretching routines are not working for these guys. Also, are they selecting the correct cleats for these guys? Nobody could get their footing out there.

Posted by: Max | October 15, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I hate the Redskins!

Posted by: God | October 15, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Chris Larry - I live in NYC as well. Go to Dorrian's (84th & 2nd) or Red Sky (29th & Park) for the games. Both are big Skins bars where you can bathe in a sea of burgundy and gold on Sunday mornings.

On a more sober note, Carlos Rogers needs to feel the heat for his missed tackles that result in big plays! I'm thinking of the Plax disaster, and this week it was Donald Lee who broke loose for 60yds before Sean Taylor tracked him down at the 3. Both makeable tackles which would have prevented touchdowns.

Posted by: JB | October 15, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Dx,

Re: Moss, I understand, however, it appears to me that he pulled himself out of the game due to his play, not his injuries.

I just don't think that ball hitting him in the helmet had anything to do with his wheels. It was right there all over his hands.

Did he further injure himself y'day? I haven't read that anywhere.

Gibs lets CP pull himself for ANY reason. Now, Moss appears to have that privilege.

That's just not right. In fact, it's bad wrong.

Thanks for your reply.

Posted by: GAD | October 15, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

"...Tell Pittsburgh that when they gave Randal El 7-8 option pass plays that worked 95% of the time in their superbowl winning season a few years back."

The Steelers had a healthy offensive line that season too. You can do damn near whatever you want to do when the big uglies are healthy. If you're O-line isn't healthy you're doing nuffin.

Posted by: Dx5 | October 15, 2007 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Its ridiculous to try to blame the game on play calling/the coaches. If receivers can't catch (I think McCardell should get more playing time) and you turn the ball over you have no chance.

Here's hoping our offensive line (whoever is going to be in there) can hold up.

Carlos Rogers is really starting to piss me off. Can't catch or tackle.

Posted by: Rusty | October 15, 2007 1:40 PM | Report abuse

What do you guys think of this? Our next three games are Cardinals, at Pats, and at Jets. Our defense alone should be able to win one of those games, maybe two, with a very basic conservative (2004) approach on offense. To me then, we can sit Wade and Rabach for three weeks if need be and get them as healthy as possible.

Maybe its is just me, but at this point I will gladly take 4-4 (or maybe 5-3) and a relatively healthy O-line heading home to face the Eagles. No point rushing these guys back for two patsies (Cards and Jets) and the Pats. I would have liked to see how we stacked up with the Pats when healthy, but that isn't going to happen now.

Posted by: Mike H. | October 15, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Talking trades for this season is pointless. The trading deadline is today. What was the last time a meaningful midseason trade happened in the nfl?

You win as a team and lose as a team. There were multiple plays that cost the skins. Couple of bad breaks and a couple of costly mistakes. Santana, CP, JC on 4th and 2, rocky mac on 60 yd play, frosty punting like the ball was made of coal, 85, etc...

Skins have to weather the o-line injury storm and find a way to get a couple wins in the next 3 weeks.

Posted by: nah | October 15, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Mike,

I'd agree with Mike that if they were playing in cover 2 it wasn't Carlos' man. I have no idea if they were in cover 2 or not. Either way the attempted "tackle" was horrible...just awful.

Overall though Double Move is playing alot better this year than last. I'm not sure if that is result of the diminished role of the CB's in the defense or not though. If we are going to continue playing this defense we shouldn't invest alot of money in the replacements. We just need Ronde Barber type guys. Sure tacklers with good tactical awarness.

Posted by: Skinz | October 15, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

"The Cowboys offense has been impressive by any measure. But look at that defense against Quality Opponents: it surrendered 35 points to the Giants early in the season, and then 48 to New England on Sunday. They may yet right the ship, but surrendering 41.5 PPG to playoff-caliber teams is no way to win a Super Bowl, pookie."

I case you missed it SMACK and Dx...

Posted by: Stumped via Cold Hard Football Facts | October 15, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

4th- Just sent you those phone numbers you needed.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 15, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

The Defense is fine.

Why are we talking about one missed tackle?

Posted by: Stumped | October 15, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

4-2 next week... 5-3 at midseason... Would you have complained at the beginning of the season if you were 5-3??? 10-6 babyyyyyyyyyy!!!

Posted by: bethesdaboy | October 15, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Two steps forward, one step back. Although it stings a bit, this is par for the course regarding a rebuilding team while developing a young QB. Let's just suck it up and drive onward.

Posted by: Bob-Ashburn, VA | October 15, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

4-2 next week... 5-3 at midseason... Would you have complained at the beginning of the season if you were 5-3??? 10-6 babyyyyyyyyyy!!!

Posted by: bethesdaboy | October 15, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

"Say what you want to about the Moss reverse call, but even JC, who most of you have been drooling over, thought it was a potential TD call. It's easy to criticize when things go wrong."

and

"I did not have a problem with the reverse call. They need to change things up every once-in-a-while to keep the D guessing."

Didn't they call a reverse (to Randle-El) on the first drive of the 2nd half against the Giants? And early in the game against the Dolphins? I swear I see a reverse - maybe not this one to Moss, but a reverse nonetheless - every game and every time it goes for 2, 0, or -2 yards.

I mean, it's one play and I wouldn't care if I didn't think they were just throwing junk at a wall to see what sticks.

Posted by: mrm0to | October 15, 2007 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I agree on that reverse crap, takes too long to develop, etc. Give the ball to Betts more so he can get in a groove and put JC in the shotgun and lets start slinging it! Oh wait, we don't have any receivers who can catch.....

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | October 15, 2007 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Pressed submit early, but I think my point comes across - it's a symbol of the flailing, random feeling of this offense... I almost expect to see someone on the sideline throwing darts at the playbook.

Posted by: mrm0to | October 15, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Jason,

Normally I think your writing is surprisingly slapdash and amateurish for someone that draws a paycheck doing it... but spelling mistakes aside, this is a most excellent and insightful article.

Nice work!

I'd say Keep It Up, but we both know you aren't going to.

Still, nice one today.

Posted by: un-named poster | October 15, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

From an ESPN Chat:

Ed (Fond du Lac, WI): I'm obviously a Packers fan, and this is the winner's chat, but I'd like to throw this out there from the winning team: Sean Taylor has to be one of the best safties in the league. His range was UNBELIEVABLE yesterday.

Matt Williamson: (1:27 PM ET ) Needs to continue to show better discipline and he has improved greatly in this area, but yes-I could not agree more. He is a RARE cat. Has ZERO physical weaknesses. Is making a statement and if he stays dedicated, he will be better than Reed, Wilson and Troy P. Honestly. Good call.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 15, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I didn't read all the posts, so maybe someone mentioned this:

J.C., who played a great game under the circs, needs to put more air under the ball on his deep throws. Lloyd was wide open, but J.C. tried to make the perfect throw instead of allowing a little room for error. It would have been an amazing catch if Lloyd had pulled that one in, but it never should have come to that. If J.C. put some air under it Lloyd would have hauled it in.

Posted by: M.E.G. | October 15, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I for one think that Rogers has improved big time compared to last season. There is still room for him to grow. It seems having Smoot around to clown with has helped him

You guys really need to lay off Moss. One bad game since he has been here and some of you are ready to throw him under the bus. Please! Take a deep breath.

Posted by: jm220 | October 15, 2007 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Lets face it. This is a building block for next year, Gibbs' final year and 4th Super Bowl ring.

Posted by: mike | October 15, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

i hate this team

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

JM,

I agree with you. I like Moss more today than yesterday. Guy went to the podium and answered all the questions asked of him and almost started to cry. That is a guy who cares.

It was a loss and a preventable one. Next week we play a 3rd sting cornerback and a team that, like us doesn't know how to win. If we lose next week at home the wheels are officially off the bus and it's time to panic.

Posted by: Skinz | October 15, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

up here when you give a decent team an inch, they are gonna take a mile.. everybody needs to chill out.. they don't need to fire anyone or change coaches, or over analyze.. they don't need to trade anybody (maybe p.u. a free agent o-lineman for depth) they need to work on the glaring mistakes (which are basic fundamental gaffes like catching & tackling & securing the ball)from yesterday's meltdown-- the biggest concern is the o-line's health.. they need to hope and pray they can get healthy quick on the o-line.... and get back in the ring punch somebody in the effin mouth...
BTW anybody else here that our practice squad o-lineman kili lefotu was arrested over the weekend

Posted by: sniksder | October 15, 2007 2:10 PM | Report abuse

3rd string Quarterback not cornerback.

Posted by: Skinz | October 15, 2007 2:10 PM | Report abuse

And, Receiver, The continues to dig a hole for himself...

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2007/10/blloyd_speculates_about_troy_a.html

(not that I, uh, read The Bog. Nobody reads The Bog. Right? I would never two-time you guys. Never.)

Posted by: P Diddy | October 15, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Hope should never be part of the equation.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

JM,

I agree that everyone is human and will have bad games now and then, but that was beyond a bad game, that was atrocious. There's no excuse for dropping that many balls.

Having said that though, I think they need to go right back to him this Sunday.

Posted by: Rusty | October 15, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

What if you're from Hope, AR?

(Yes, I had to look up the state abbreviation for Arkansas. I am a U.S. American, after all.)

Posted by: P Diddy | October 15, 2007 2:14 PM | Report abuse

We will beat the Pats. They'll be looking past us to Indy. Hopefully, this game will be on NFL replay this week so I can catch it. Going to have to buckle down and get the $5000 NFL Ticket pkg. Go deep to Santana next week. Out and up on the first series against Arizona. Interesting how some of the bloggers write up their resignation as fans after a tough loss. We just as easily could be 5-0. The 3-2 ain't that bad. The Packers were who we thought they were and we let em off the hook. Heal up...HTTR

Posted by: Gregskins | October 15, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

No-name Pie eatin' DallA$$ fan -

Time for another slice? Undefeated Popped Cherry flavor, perhaps?

Whoops - TO dropped another one...

Posted by: Dik | October 15, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody else get the feeling Portis is not quite 100% out there?

Posted by: Max | October 15, 2007 12:57 PM

Max, I'm about as out there as any cat u will see.

keep it sexy,
Spanks

Posted by: JankySpanky | October 15, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Skinz they key for the next game is the O Line. No question Moss cares and one bad game doesn't take away all the good he has done.

Rusty I think those injuries are bothering him more than he is letting on. As a runner your legs are everything, so once something goes wrong with them it's hard to focus on anything else.

Posted by: jm220 | October 15, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

when portis is cut next year, how will it affect the salary cap, anybody know?

Posted by: T | October 15, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

The Lloyd play wasn't a drop ... at least I wouldn't see it that way. it was a very very tough catch to make. But ... you wonder how much time Campbell and Lloyd work together on timing in practice. I think that might be the real story on that play.

Posted by: AL | October 15, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

"Their run identity left when Randy went down."

Yes, Randy Thomas is the heart and soul of the running game. His down-field blocking and pull-blocking are irreplaceable.

Where is Ray Brown when you need him?

Posted by: Dx5 | October 15, 2007 01:08 PM

Sadly, Ray Brown died ten years ago.

Posted by: Reaper | October 15, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

The Lloyd play wasn't a drop ... at least I wouldn't see it that way. it was a very very tough catch to make. But ... you wonder how much time Campbell and Lloyd work together on timing in practice. I think that might be the real story on that play.

Posted by: AL | October 15, 2007 02:20 PM

C'mon Al. I couldn't have caught I cold if i played naked yesterday. I'm a locker room cancer and useless on the feel.

-Ocho Stinko

Posted by: I Suck | October 15, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Clinton looked pretty good yesterday, considering there was no where for him to run. The line got a few of good pushes off on the left side (most in the first half), but that was it.

Posted by: Stumped | October 15, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Gregskins is my hero & Stumped is doin' good too!!

HAIL!

Posted by: Dik | October 15, 2007 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I think I have a problem.

Whenever the Skins lose, I immediately shun myself from the rest of the world. I don't watch anymore football that day, I don't watch SportsCenter, I don't watch the post-game interviews, I don't take phone calls from friends because I know they want to talk about the game, I don't read any articles on Monday mornings, I couldn't even bare to read Jason's post...all of the above just makes the loss worse for me.

Anyway, I feel better getting that off my chest. Thanks for listening.

Posted by: David | October 15, 2007 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Where is Tre' Thomas when you need him?

Posted by: Dx5 | October 15, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Where is Cory Raymer when you need him?

Posted by: Dx5 | October 15, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Campbell couldn't count on his top 2 WRs because they dropped everything in site yesterday. So he's throwing to WRs Thrash, McCardell, Lloyd. With an O-line that is beat up in the rain at Lambeau against a good Pack defense. And no serious run game.

Campbell made only 3 mistakes I saw. The grounding call early on, the slight overthrow to Lloyd and the choice to throw to Betts on 4th down instead of trying to find a player that was beyond the line.

All things considered, he played almost as well as he did against Detroit. Just with very different results

Posted by: AL | October 15, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Got a feeling this will be the official end of the season for Randy Thomas. If these 3 injuries on the O-line are of the several weeks variety, they'll have to open up a couple/few roster spots for the new guys.

Gonna cut Caldwell? Not with Moss and ARE both less than 100 percent.
Gonna cut Boschetti? Maybe.
Gonna cut a DB? Doubtful.
Jasno's boy, 3rd TE Cordy Body? Maybe.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 15, 2007 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Moss hasnt praticed in a couple weeks, he is our best receiver but not practicing doesnt help him out. It broke my heart to see him drop those passes. Is it just me or is floyd looking to try and make the most of his time in the games.

Posted by: SAK | October 15, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Whoever mentioned the spot of the ball prior to the 4th down play ... wondered about that too. Didn't seem like Cooley had the first, but he seemed a lot closer than the spot. 4th and 2 feet is a lot different than 4th and 2 yards.

Posted by: AL | October 15, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

And F injuries

Posted by: SAK | October 15, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

The B. Lloyd thing made it to PFT.com, wonder if this will make the national media soon?

What a clown....

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 15, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

need a 12 step program to cope w/ a skins loss.. step one: go to liquor store.. steps 2 through 12 take care of themselves..

Posted by: sniksder | October 15, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Flloyd *is* a clown. I was just about to post that PFT (http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm) thing:

BRANDON LLOYD SPECULATES THAT AIKMAN IS GAY

Redskins receiver Brandon Lloyd has some eye-opening comments about former Cowboys quarterback Troy Aikman during a Monday visit with the Sports Junkies on WJFK in D.C.

"I don't believe Troy Aikman anyway," Lloyd said. "He wasn't man enough to admit his personal life situation when he was a player."

Pressed by the Junkies to clarify his comments, Lloyd tried to backtrack. "I'm speculating," he said, laughing, "just like he speculates."

The full spot is right here (http://www.wjfk.com/pages/765968.php).

Later in the spot, Lloyd says that his former teammate, Jeff Garcia, isn't gay.

When listening to Lloyd's remarks, which come at about nine minutes and seventeen minutes of the spot, further illustrate how difficult it would be for a guy who comes out of the closet to survive in the locker room.

Posted by: JustMe | October 15, 2007 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure the Brandon Lloyd Q&A will be discovered nationally, right in time for the 6pm sportscenter. This guy is doing everything in his power to not be in Washington. He knows his days were numbered when 2 receivers were signed in the first 4 weeks of the season. He will probably become a distraction in the locker room now. I heard all about Kordell... you know, I'm not even touching that one!

Pill Poppin' Animal, meet Receiver, The.

Posted by: Dx5 | October 15, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Great post JLaC. I seldon agree with everything you post, but you are 100% spot on with your assesment of the 'Skins game yesterday. Funny thing (well, maybe not THAT funny), but wasn't it the defense that we all possibly suspected would let us down again this year and not the offense considering how they finished last season? I continue to get an uneasy feeling every time we are leading going into the half. It's almost like they are scared that they'll let it get away from them.

Posted by: Dlyne8r | October 15, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

4-12,

The one good thing about R. Thomas' injury is that it happened in week 2 and we just finished week 6. So if you're looking at an injury to Heyer that could be 3-4 weeks then I think he goes to the IR and not Thomas. If Heyer comes back in 3-4 weeks its as a backup. If Thomas comes back in 5-6 weeks its as a starter.

Posted by: TheGuru10 | October 15, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Use one of the Back-up QBs as trade bait for some Oline help. JC was hit or hurried on more than 75% of his pass attempts.

Posted by: Bill | October 15, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

d played really good...but lets not forget...

shoulda been 3 more INTs...

and the packers had 14 pts taken off the board b/c of very questionable calls...

for that reason...i wont say that was a game we shoulda won...just a game we coulda won...

still i blame our offensive hands...dropped passes and fumbles are what cost us the game. and both of those fumbles albeit a hard hit and strip...should never happen on plays that arent going anywhere...portis especially...b/c that play was a lost cause...cover teh freagin ball up and taket he loss...and santana...cover the ball up with two hands through traffic...simple, simple fundamentals...i think they teach you that in pop warner!!!

frosty didnt help the cause...

and the o line being further decimated cant be blamed...it just is what it is...and thats the problem with the running game...

JC played great...maybe shoulda made a couple reads quick and the 4th down read a little slower...but all in all...hes looking better and better and deserved a much better stat line yesterday from his skill players...

he outplayed farv-rah...plain and simple...

props to d for that too...though again...14pts off teh board for questionable calls...and if farv-rah would throw the deep ball on a rope instead of hanging them up there like a can of corn...we probably would have been burned a couple more times rather than having an INT and a couple could have been INTs...

coulda, woulda, shoulda...all i know is that we have to have the AZ game...and every game we are "supposed" to win from here on out...caues it doesnt look like were gonna win too many of the ones we arent...

Posted by: deadskin | October 15, 2007 3:02 PM | Report abuse

not sure what kinda caliber OL you will get for Brunell or Collins but can safely assume it would be worthless.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Bill, you pull that stat out of your arse, or what?

Maybe in the 4th quarter, but not the whole game.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 15, 2007 3:05 PM | Report abuse

JLC,

There is not a single team in the NFL that doesn't rest a starting RB for a few plays a game. Portis and Betts are clearly not a Running back by committee. They aren't even a rotation. Betts comes in when Portis gets tired. In week 1, it was hot and Portis needed to get his legs under him so they had even carries. You won't see that again if they are healthy. Portis is our starting Running Back and Betts is the backup. Go check out the interview from Saunders the first day of camp and find out his thoughts on a Running Back by committee. He doesn't like it at all.

Also, saw you mention above as to why they ran that play. They ran that play b/c they thought something might have been open. It's easy to critsize when a play like that doesn't work but let's be real. You can't coach for fear of a player fumbling. There's a fine line b/w a good play call and a bad one. You know damn well you would have been killing Al/Gibbs if the 4th down pass to Randle El was incomplete last week. But instead, it worked and he made it to the 1 and they scored and it was brilliant. Stop nitpicking play calling.

Also,

Posted by: TheGuru10 | October 15, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

JLC,

There is not a single team in the NFL that doesn't rest a starting RB for a few plays a game. Portis and Betts are clearly not a Running back by committee. They aren't even a rotation. Betts comes in when Portis gets tired. In week 1, it was hot and Portis needed to get his legs under him so they had even carries. You won't see that again if they are healthy. Portis is our starting Running Back and Betts is the backup. Go check out the interview from Saunders the first day of camp and find out his thoughts on a Running Back by committee. He doesn't like it at all.

Also, saw you mention above as to why they ran that play. They ran that play b/c they thought something might have been open. It's easy to critsize when a play like that doesn't work but let's be real. You can't coach for fear of a player fumbling. There's a fine line b/w a good play call and a bad one. You know damn well you would have been killing Al/Gibbs if the 4th down pass to Randle El was incomplete last week. But instead, it worked and he made it to the 1 and they scored and it was brilliant. Stop nitpicking play calling.

Also,

Posted by: TheGuru10 | October 15, 2007 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I have not posted since last season. Hopefully this post will end the bad run of, well, me with our boys in the burgundy and gold.

Posted by: Groin Strain | October 15, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

In hindsight it doesn't matter because we didn't move the ball anyway, but:

Why didn't Gibbs call a timeout with 2:30 left instead of letting the clock run down. he wasted like 10 seconds. Even the announcers were all over this.

Stupid little things like this make me wonder whats going on sometimes...

Posted by: why? | October 15, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

When the RedBirds come to town and the 'Skins win, is everyone going to bemoan the fact that it was just the pathetic Arizona Bidwells? The cowgirls got used and abused, the Pack offensive unit was stymied by the 'Skins' D, the G-Men are still very shaky and the Eagles are terrible. I better darn well hear some of these analysts hopping off the cowpoke's wagon after yesterday's beatdown. The NFC is still anyone's for the taking. I choose to remain optimistic.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 15, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Don't look now, but post game heroes has issued a least valuable player award...to guess who.

Posted by: Stumped | October 15, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Moss, Santana

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 15, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Woo hoo Santana was also Week 6 Dud Of The Week on ESPN...

Way to go you Bum

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse

and you are right sir!

Posted by: Stumped | October 15, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Greg,
do you make it your business to insult every person? Or are you just biased toward people who post here all the time?

Posted by: Mike(NYC) | October 15, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Skinz | October 15, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Santana will be back, trust me.

Posted by: Stumped | October 15, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Mike, I just insult people who make up stats, or who post ridiculous trades, you know, they ones who deserve to be insulted.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 15, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I really feel bad for Santana Moss. I think he is one of the players in the locker room who doesn't care about stats. As long as his team wins, thats enough for him. Bad all around game, for a all world person. What would be great is in week 17 with a playoff spot locked up, the players can actually give him a hard time for tearing up.

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 15, 2007 3:41 PM | Report abuse

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=290035

Posted by: Skinz | October 15, 2007 03:37 PM


Someone inform that idiot that "Randy Moss" plays for Patriots....it's Randy Thomas that got hurt for Redskins

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 3:41 PM | Report abuse

We should trade one of our backup QB's for Tom Brady and a first round draft pick.

Greg, don't haze me bro!!!!

Posted by: Just sayzin is all... | October 15, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Skinz,
Nice article.
Why aren't we playing Randy?
LMGO

Posted by: Stumped | October 15, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Just sayin is all, you're a complete MORON!!!

Oh wait....nevermind

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 15, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Santana has been so good prior to this season, but this season hasn't been good. And yesterday was a disaster for him and cost the team dearly. If Santana can play at the top of his game, the Skins are playoff caliber. But if not ... its a big drop off. One thing for sure, McCardell is earning a place in the top 3, and starting if either ARE or Santana isn't 100%.

Posted by: AL | October 15, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Santana pulled two choke jobs yesterday. One on the field, the other during post game interviews. LMGO!!!! When its all said and done, we will have the best Moss, Sinorce.

Ha, Choke Job Moss, Sa.

BTW, I'm not a Cowboys fan. Everyone knows the G-Men rule the world. Go Giants!

Posted by: G-Unit | October 15, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Pro Bowl voting is open. I'll vote for most every Skin but Sellers and Taylor should get legit consid.

Posted by: Skinz | October 15, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

98% of Bostonians who post on a redskins blog are yankees fans who have a secret brandon lloyd style crush on tony romo. don't hate gregory!!!

Posted by: useless stat dept. | October 15, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Post-game press conference, Mike McCarthy on Chris Cooley - "He was clearly the No. 1 target in their passing game as far as our game-planning was concerned. He's a real good player. "

Posted by: David | October 15, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

G-Unit, umm... You're an arsehole!

Posted by: Dx5 | October 15, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

ohh my god! is anyone up here still defending #85? anyone? anyone? sportsbog? lisa?

wow!!! and WE have to put up with this for 3 more months. nice "character guy" st. joe you got up here!

what a bum! ignorant! imbecil!

Posted by: dealer | October 15, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Dx5,

Why don't you go watch wrestling or something? What the hell does that mean anyway? You have had Dik in your booty five times? You're friggin' gross.

Posted by: G-Unit | October 15, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Pro Bowl voting is open. I'll vote for most every Skin but Sellers and Taylor should get legit consid.

Posted by: Skinz | October 15, 2007 03:46 PM


I am not voting for some Full Back who drops like 70% of the passes thrown his way

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

once more, just to rub salt in our own wounds:

Floyd= traded 3rd and 4th rounder, plus gave him huge contract with $10 million guaranteed to come here.

Randy Moss= traded 4th round pick, and he took a pay CUT to go to New England.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

No, (With all apologies to Skins fans) actually it is the amount of times that the Dallas Cowboys have won the Super Bowl. BTW, how is that week 1 score workin out for you? Damn test tube baby. Go play number munchers or the Oregon trail, little boy. Better yet, go do your homework for your daddy comes home and finds you watching scantly clad women on your computer.

Posted by: Dx5 | October 15, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

F%$&K YOU Dx5!!!!!!!

Posted by: G-Unit | October 15, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

G-Spot,

Your team is run by a man who looks like a mouse and LBM who looks dazed, confused and like he's about to cry all at the same time.

Fact, 94.5% of all Gmen fans have lowered IQ's.

Posted by: Da Truef | October 15, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Stumped | October 15, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Let me get this straight. A Dallas fan and a Giants fan are having a blog fight on a REDSKINS blog?!

Posted by: Groin Strain | October 15, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Lol... LMGO!

Nope, no arguing from me. I said my piece anyway. I just think he was out of line for his comments on Moss. Believe it or not they're some players on the Skins I wouldn't mind seeing in a Cowboys uni, Santana is one of em', he could replace an aging Terry Glenn.

A man can dream can't he?

Posted by: Dx5 | October 15, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I am loving this G-Tool DBAGX500 fight...thanks guys keep it up....

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Stumped- Did you read the comments below the article, that guy was pissed.

Oh, hail the highest of the high, oh hail Brett Favre.

Please.
Stop.
Now.

Posted by: Dx5 | October 15, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

GS & CL - They're all ThRedSkins, aren't they! ahahahahahahah

Posted by: Dik | October 15, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

JLC PLEASE ASK THIS QUESTION:

What the heck is going on with time management?

If I'm the coach on the sideline, I would have challenged the spot on the Cooley reception prior to the missed 4th down. The challenge would have served two purposes: better field position for 4th down and time to decide on a 4th down play (a little multi-tasking can go a long way). While the refs were reviewing the spot, I would have called Campbell over to discuss the 4th down play. You see, if you lose the challenge, then the penalty is a loss of a timeout, which is okay b/c you've just met with your QB.

Then when GB had the ball, why did the skins not take a timeout immediately after the first down play instead of waiting for the 2 minute warning? That cost them about 10 seconds, which could have been the difference b/w getting a FG off.

Stupid and unexplainable.

Also, it appeared to me that ARE had equal possession of the ball on the interception. Why was that not reviewed? And what's the rule? Tie goes to the offense?

Posted by: M.E.G. | October 15, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Di*k 5x- Do you like little boys? Why are you assuming that I am not an adult? What have I said to give you that idea? Your slated for a dateline appearence with Chris Hansen, friggin pedafile, homo.

Posted by: G-Unit | October 15, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Hey G-Puny,

What's w/ the backhand slam? I don't swing that way & I told you that the last time you tried to get in my pants.

We got a makeup game commin' I'll heat up the leftovers I'm servin' the Cowgoil's braggarts today for ya.

Posted by: Dik | October 15, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Wow, ok. G-Unit, your 4:15 comment was amazing. I don't know if you are in fact a kid but somethings give it away.

1)Spell Check. If you're not sure about the spelling, don't post it. Otherwise you'll look like a complete arse.

There is no 2, go study!

Posted by: Dx5 | October 15, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

the cowboy fan and the giant fan is the same person, posting from the same computer under different names. just so everyone knows. we're on to you.

Posted by: the washington post | October 15, 2007 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Dx,
Yeah, I'd take Campbell or Romo over the gun slinger.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

More pulled groins in this bunch than a Castro street leather parade.

Posted by: Cruz | October 15, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

And stop using homosexual as a pejorative. It just shows how ignorant and po-dunk you really are.

Posted by: Dik | October 15, 2007 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Dx5 - misspellings are a hidden jem of the blog. Hence the Jasno moniker for our peerless leader.

Posted by: Dik | October 15, 2007 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Giants lose tonight by 7 points.

Posted by: POOP | October 15, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Guys - I did an interview today regarding my daughter's story. As I stated in the report, I feel like this whole case is getting swept under the rug and I am still currently looking for answers as to what happened. The report will be shown starting @ 5pm on Ch. 7 news (WJLA) roughly at the beginning of the news cast.

Thanks for everyone's help!

Ahmad

Posted by: 4th | October 15, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Go Ahmad!
We're here for you.
Peyton

Posted by: Stumped | October 15, 2007 4:36 PM | Report abuse

re: trading Betts -

Isn't TODAY the trading deadline anyway?

Even if the Skins can find players for the O-Line today and tomorrow, it will take until December before they are functioning as a unit at a normal level again. If Rabach is done, this season is pretty much a write-off.

Posted by: RJ | October 15, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Our Prayers are with you 4th! If it gets on youTube, someone please post a link for us out-of-towners.

Posted by: Dik | October 15, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know the odds on B. Lloyd being deactivated (ala 'Throw Me The Damn Ball' Johnson)? I'm going 25:1 unless the Skins bring in another WR then it's almost a guarantee.

Posted by: David | October 15, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Betts can't be traded. Speakin the engrish? Doing so would put us over the cap and wouldn't be approved by the league.

He can't be traded
He can't be traded
He can't be traded
He can't be traded

everyone get it?

Posted by: Da Truef | October 15, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know if Betts can be traded? thanks for the info

Posted by: Quick Question | October 15, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure he could. Today is the deadline though.

Posted by: Da Truef | October 15, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I think we should sign Chris Cooley.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 15, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know the odds on B. Lloyd being deactivated (ala 'Throw Me The Damn Ball' Johnson)? I'm going 25:1 unless the Skins bring in another WR then it's almost a guarantee.

Posted by: David | October 15, 2007 04:45 PM

I like to deactivate Santana "Touch me and i fumble" Moss

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I heard Betts was traded, but i didn't hear to who, anybody know?

Posted by: Betts traded? | October 15, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Any chance we can sign Chris Cooley? thanks for the info

Posted by: Quick Question | October 15, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

What's with this Monday Night game? Giants v. Falcons? I thought they had a flexible schedule to keep dog sjk like this off the air.

Posted by: SMACK | October 15, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Anybody know who won the Redskins game yeterday? thanks. Oh, and what was the score? thanks again.

Posted by: JJ | October 15, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Oh, we traded Betts for Cooley? Great... Betts is a better tackle and Cooley can play Center or any other OL position.

Blloyd is a good down lineman too, right junkies?

Skippy?
Skippy?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

QC, today is the trading deadline.

3-2 IS a winning schedule, but those two losses hurt more than the three wins help. I may be shifting into full on gloom mode soon b/c, in my mind, the rise/fall of any team rises/falls on the O-line. [I differ from an RI blogger named "Old School" on this point.] The Casey Rabach injury looks kind of linch-pinny to me. [Plus, I believe seasonal affective disorder should start kicking in soon.]

Posted by: dcsween | October 15, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I just heard that the Redskins will submit the Betts trade, tomorrow, after the deadline.

This makes it consistent with clock management on the field.

Is it DST?

Posted by: Prime meridian | October 15, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I have not had a chance to read all the posts, but as an armchair GM, I just have to point out that the Skins may not have been in such a mess O-line wise if they had spent one, just one of 3 draft picks they wasted this year on J.Palmer, T.Ecker or D.Sartz.
The Redskins just have to stop the goofy-a** drafting.Somehow, the Skins have developed a seriously cavalier attitude toward drafting linemen and it bites them in the a** every year.Last year when they deigned to draft some linemen, they were richly rewarded with D-Linemen K.Golston and A.Montgomery-two late round finds.
I like that the Skins try to find stars/impact players with their high draft picks, but sometimes ,for instance, you have to take the unglamourous, unsexy, deeply vital guard/center,etc. All teams want to take the best player available, but sometimes you have to take the best available at a position of need.
As best as I can tell, Palmer, Sartz and perhaps Ecker have not even made our practice squad, further showing why Offensive and Defensive lineman should have been drafted and not them.
I mean that's a total waste of 3 picks plus the one we gave up to get Pete Kendall, which we would not have had to do if we had drafted properly.

Posted by: hsmall@reveal.com | October 15, 2007 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Interesting that Gibbs just said that the transmitter to Campbell's helmet went out "right off the bat" and worked only intermittently throughout the game.

Posted by: Cindy | October 15, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who state to trade Betts, I so agree with you, but I'm biased, I have never,ever,ever,ever,ever like Ladell Betts. He's a total fraud who can never break a tackle,always goes down on 1st contact and can never be trusted, he never makes a play-go ahead challenge what I just wrote with an example.
Simply, I can't stand him.Betts is one of those Univ of Iowa frauds, just like R.Gallery, the Raiders tackle,just like Chad Greenway and others.If the Skins had a GM worth a damn, he would have noticed this by now, hopefully.
Another thing, the league is not paying attention to the fact, that a host of running backs listed at or around 5'10 to 6'0 and around 205-217lbs are incredibly injury prone, more so than other body types.Check out some of the names and two thing will stand out, exciting but injury prone...Clinton Portis-5'11-205lbs, Cadillac Williams 5'11-205lbs,Thomas Jones-5'10-205lbs, among others. This is so true you can even look in the past and look at any back with this body type and the same thing applies,Marshall Faulk, 5'11-205lbs, Tiki Barber-5'10-205lbs.So why would you want two of these guys, good grief, every time Portis gets up, he's limping.

Posted by: hsmall@reveal.com | October 15, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

"Why was that not reviewed?"

Announcers said that was not reviewable. Can't explain anything else you said since it actually made sense. :)

Oh wait, we're talking about the Skins here. Stupid me.

- Ray

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 5:18 PM | Report abuse

hsmall- You didn't really just use Marshall Faulk and Tiki in your example, did you? As injury prone? Offhand I'd guess 25-30,000 yards combined between those two in their long, productive careers.

Barry Sanders, Emmitt "Announcing King" Smith also come quickly to mind. Well under 6 feet, in the 205-220ish range.

Please join the fun of RI, but you gotta come correct up here.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 15, 2007 5:26 PM | Report abuse

"There's a mounting tension there, folks. We'll keep an eye on it."

Jason,

This is what I've been saying for a long time, Gibbs just doesn't have it anymore.

It's like right after Portis fumbled that ball he went right by G.Williams and he didn't wanna hear any of Portis's whining and brushed him off. It was so funny that the camera caught that. I keep thinking of he was coach that the offense would actually have some balls.

I think the offense is soft personally. The defense has been playing great and the offense just wastes opporunities.

Echoing something Lavar Arrington said it's rediculous to point any fingers at Moss. He's won a lot of games in his short time here, he deserves a break.

On the other hand It's time to bench Portis. You fart on the guy and he goes down on the ground or fumbles. I think he's used up personally.

I realize the o-line is banged up, but this is getting rediculous. Gibbs/Bugel coddles those guys too much on the offense, he needs to stop the "Happy Grandpa" thing and start benching some guys.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | October 15, 2007 5:29 PM | Report abuse

a few points:

(1) with regards to placing randy thomas on IR: at a point where you have three other o-linemen hurting, including a second and third stringer, i think you have to hold out with randy and instead sacrifice one of the other hurt linemen. especially if you believe the skins have a legit shot at the playoffs, you have to wait for randy to get healthy for the final push/playoff run.

(2) there is no need to rag on the defense whatsoever. yes carlos missed a tackle that led to a td, but look at the job this unit has done the past two weeks. a week after holding the top ranked passing offense to 3pts (lions), they hold the subsequent top passing offense at Lambeau to 10pts. this defense is second to none in the nfl right now, and definitely doesn't need carlos to be a deion sanders or champ bailey to be effective. leave the defense alone.

(3) there is no player on this team that has more respect from me than santana moss. nobody cares more about the team and holds himself accountable for his performance more than moss does. i love to hear that he was out running first thing in the morning the day after a loss. he will do anything and everything in his power to make his performance right. i would be willing to bet the house on him having a MONSTER game next week, provided he's healthy (which is actually a big if for him).

Posted by: don't panic | October 15, 2007 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Interesting that Gibbs just said that the transmitter to Campbell's helmet went out "right off the bat" and worked only intermittently throughout the game.

Posted by: Cindy | October 15, 2007 05:12 PM

Is GB Coach McCarthy another graduate of the "Belichick School of Coaching"?

Posted by: RJ | October 15, 2007 5:38 PM | Report abuse

To 4-12, my friend. I know you are a football fan, so you already know the main reason Faulk was traded from the Colts to the Rams was not his salary, but the fact that he kept getting dinged. You also know that before he turned into the TIKI BARBER of the last few years, Tiki Barber (little caps :-) ) was exactly what I said he was, an injury prone running back.
Now bear in mind that when I say injury prone, I mean just like with Portis-they stay dinged. Now, one can make the obvious case that all RBs stay dinged, but not like these guys, it's always a separated shoulder or something that(Brian Westbrook). Just check the facts and you'll see I did not make anything up, I'm just observing that body type is injury prone.LaDanian Tomlinson 5'11-217lbs is about the only guy who stayed semi-healthy, but wait, didn't he go down for most of the year about 2years ago?
All I'm saying is you have to be careful assembling a team, particularly one like the Skins with one of these small backs because few are paying attention to the fact this body-type is,in fact the New Small Running Back in the NFL, not regular size/prototype.That belongs to someone like young Jamal Lewis,sane Ricky Williams and Bill's rookie Marshawn Lynch or Adrian Peterson.

Posted by: hsmall@Reveal.com | October 15, 2007 5:49 PM | Report abuse

is it just me or does Campbells "transmitter" go out every game? Sure does seem like that.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 6:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm disappointed the Skins lost but I'm not mad or frustrated. At the the present rate the Skins would finish 10-6 - that's about the best anyone expected at the beginning of the season save for a certain 14-2 prediction. I said the D would have to carry the team and it appears they will. But JC being the player he is right now is big. The O-line injuries are troubling but the Skins are going to start winning some of these close games just have faith. The Cards are going down hard, and the Pats are not going to drop a 40 spot on this D. Welker will be looking out of his earhole and I like The Reaper's chances in a jumpball contest with Moss.

10-6 baby!!!

Posted by: LH | October 15, 2007 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Still too early...

Posted by: Dorf | October 15, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Welcome back jm and hope you had a happy Eid. Glad you're back we missed you.

4th - glad to hear the story is being pursued best of luck and yes if someone can post a link to the news report that'd be great.

Posted by: sfskin | October 15, 2007 6:04 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: sfskin | October 15, 2007 6:06 PM | Report abuse

I agree that dropping draft picks on players like Lloyd and Duckett was a huge mistake, but saying that they should have used a fifth or seventh round pick on an O line this offseason seems hindsighted.

This offseason the redskins had one of the best O lines in the league (4th despite the abysmal season last year), and was healthier than they were at the beginning of last year. If Jansen and Thomas had lasted past games one and two and if Rabach, Wade and Heyer hadn't gone down last weekend, the thought of burning late round picks for poor at best O linemen would sound foolish.

And its not as if the O line went entirely unnoticed this offseason. We did pick up Heyer outside the draft, which has worked out better than anyone could have dreamed of.

Last but not least, Ecker was still potential for the roster before he busted his knee in preseason.

Having said all that, it would have been nice if one of the skins' powers that be could have predicted the total disaster that the O line is currently facing, and prevented it by drafting OL men instead of drafting potential QBs, OLBs and WRs.

Here's to twenty-twenty hindsight! I hope JC is made of something stronger than flesh and bone, because he's going to be naked in the wind for the next few weeks.

Posted by: Jawaii | October 15, 2007 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Santana Moss is not a number one receiver in the league and he has constant health issues. Clinton Portis's best days are behind him. He does not have the body to take the pounding as a feature back. If these are the guys the Redskins are counting on for leadership and production, we've got some serious problems. But then we already knew that. Neither one of these guys showed up on Sunday in what was really a statement game and a must win for the Redskins.

Posted by: GH | October 15, 2007 6:25 PM | Report abuse

To Jawaii
Every time I point out things like this, someone wants to go...Hindsight.But, let me tell you, if you knew me personally you would know that I have been crying about the how the Skins have been drafting for years now. You also would have been one of the first people I called to b**tch about how they drafted this year. It's not hindsight, but Foresight-I've seen this coming for years now.
The Redskins, whether, they like it or not, just have to fall in line with the rest of the NFL, that talented, mobile big men are a rarity, not a dime a dozen and should be snapped up,WHENEVER, you can get your hands on them. Just do me a favor,let your mind roll back over the last few years and remember how many safeties the Skins have acquired needlessly. Well, what about receivers? Well, what about has been/never were D-Linemen? Well, what about, oh never mind, that is my point.
FORESIGHT, not hindsight should've told the Skins that Jansen,Wade,Thomas, etc., may not stay healthy all year and to have a plan if they did not.Getting a undrafted free agent and almost immediately having to throw him into the fire is not a plan. Another way to put it, if Heyer was so good, he would have been drafted, simple as that. Another way is to point out that there's a reason C.Samuels was picked as high as he was in the first round and
J.Jansen was a second-rounder. Yet another way to put it is, if Coach Bugel can work a miracle with S.Heyer, imagine what he could do with a high draft pick.
You can't pay everyone, sure, but the good teams (ie.the Patriots)let the Deion Branches of the world go and resign the Logan Mankins, if you know what I mean.

Posted by: hsmall@reveal.com | October 15, 2007 6:34 PM | Report abuse

FORESIGHT, not hindsight should've told the Skins that Jansen,Wade,Thomas, etc., may not stay healthy all year and to have a plan if they did not.

Posted by: hsmall@reveal.com | October 15, 2007 06:34 PM

They had a reasonable plan, but injuries to Jansen, Thomas, Rabach, Wade, and Heyer have turned that plan upside down. As most teams carry only 9 offensive linemen, even the Patriots would be having line problems if they had this many serious injuries.

Since you obviously have greater FORESIGHT than all the greatest minds in the NFL, my suggestion would be that you apply immediately to be GM of the Redskins. Surely Dan Snyder cannot pass up your unique and outstanding abilities.

On second thought, maybe you should apply for the position of Village Idiot. You are overwhelmingly qualified for that slot.

Posted by: The Mole | October 15, 2007 7:32 PM | Report abuse

I THINK WE NEED TO FIRE BUBBA TYER...When you have this many strains, groins, etc - somebody is not doing there job. All evidence points to Bubba and the rest of the Space Cowboys. I love the Skins and fully agree that Jason Campbell is the real deal, kid showed great poise. Moss, Portis and the rest of the U kids - need to go back to Miami. McIntosh can stay.

Posted by: mhartz | October 15, 2007 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Im a relatively new poster but long-time Skins fan and have a couple of comments:

I am surprised by the amount of Moss bashing on here. If you want to get on him for being injured thats one thing but the guy had 1,400+ yds and 9 TD's two years ago. He's a number one receiver when healthy. He had a bad game and took responsibility for it. He does seem to be having trouble with Campbell's high throws for some reason. Something is off but he's a proven player with heart.

I am surprised that the non-challenge of the spot and the non-field goal attempt have not been discussed more. It was obvious on TV that Cooley stretched more upfield and its not like they ran a play quickly after that play. Tell me someone is responsible for this on the staff. Sometimes it seems as if Gibbs and Williams are staring at each other during crucial situations on the field. Is Gibbs running the show or what?

If Portis is healthy he sure doesn't seem to have the burst to go along with the elusiveness. It seems he can do one or the other each play. If he is not healthy, why not give Betts a chance to get some rhythm in a game and see what happens. I think its unfair to judge him in his current role. What is his role? It seems to change every week.

Posted by: WildA | October 15, 2007 8:25 PM | Report abuse

i admit to not reading ALL the comments, but on the Lloyd non-catch, did anyone notice on the replay that as he turned back to the line of scrimmage, he slowed down just a little bit? Had he continued at full speed (like JC probably assumed he would), that ball would have been right in his arms in such a place that even Lloyd might have been able to hang on.

Posted by: Dsmac | October 16, 2007 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Jason La Cantreporta writes "If this offensive line has to enter coming weeks with anything close to the unit that closed out this game, though, then I don't want to hear anyone bash this kid no matter what his numbers look like."

It's funny how this idiot reporter will criticize anything and everything about the Redskins, but will stand up for the guys he likes. He hates Gibbs and the coaches and has no respect for any of them, and his reporting reflects that. He loves Campbell and his reporting reflects that as well.

What is most comical, is that he will defend Campbell for the very same reasons he is attacking the rest of the team (injuries to the O-line). He gives Campbell a pass because, he says, of the injuries to the O-lineman. But he will not give a pass to the rest of the offense, even though they are the ones dealing with the injuries as well.

Bottom line, La Cantreporta is done covering this team after this season (and hopefully gone from this town after this season as well).

Posted by: Fire the beat reporter already | October 16, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

OK, before anyone gives me crap about blasting gibbs and saunders because i live in baltimore, i am a season ticket holder - since 1963.

the only issue facing this team is gibbs, our ceo (notice i do not call him a coach) and his west coast/afc west offensive urug (that's the reverse/opposite of "guru").

with the exception of last year, the defense under greg w has been fantastic. but, again, again and again the offense fails. indecisive. ball-less. tricky over smart. inconsistent. the original joe was the master of the half adjustment. now he and saunders have become the master of blowing games in the second half by going from what works...to bailing on what works and trying to get cute, flashy.

here are some thoughts:
- who has the worst record in the nfl in the last four years when your team enters the second half with a lead? ok, a leading question - yes, it's the skins.

- gibbs talks about how successful we've been with end arounds/reverses. uh, i am a stats guy, so i checked it out. this year, our receivers have run the ball a total of 4 times...for -2 yards! that's a -.5 average.

- the biggest issue i had in this game, as well as the giants game, was the horrific play calling on 3rd and short (or 4th and short like at the end of the gb game)...ok, it's cold, raining, misty...and our brain (dead) trust calls fast, short pass plays on all but one or two of our 3rd and short situations...the ball is tough to catch in these conditions, especially when gb is playing 9 guys in the box...why, why, why, why can't our afc west urug (again, the oppositve of guru) take our 280 pound half man-half monster fb mike sellars and run it straight down their throats (even regardless of injured linemen)?!?!?!?! did we try it ONCE?

as jason said, it is hard to predict what this team will do, game to game, in the gibbs-the sequel era. thank god for the d and special teams. maybe it's time to say bye bye to saunders and for gibbs to promote on of his corporate support staff (oops, i meant coaches) to bring back a sound offense that takes advantage of our stengths (overall and versus the opponent that day) and minimizes our weaknesses? this is the kind of stragegic thinking a ceo (oops, i mean coach) should use...but i guess not here. too many distractions since there are nascar races to worry about.

Posted by: Skins Fan in Baltimore | October 16, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

A couple of comments. Hard to believe that Sean Taylor's 2 dropped INT's are not getting more criticism. Just because he snared 2 (and almost dropped 1 of those) doesn't forgive him for the other 2 drops that were right in his hands. You just can't afford to make those mistakes. Just as Moss' 3 drops (1 leading to INT amd 1 stopping a 35 yd. gain) and fumble were critical.

And, Fins traded WR Chris Chambers today for a #2. They are looking to the future. Do they have any good veteran offensive lineman that could stick with the Redskins for at least 3-4 years that would be worth giving up a player or a draft choice for? I'm not thinking of a desperation Duckett type of trade, but more like a Schreoder for Lachey type of trade, i.e., trading for an OL that we can keep for awhile.

Posted by: Doug | October 16, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

TO THE MOLE
Don't get jealous, you obviously read my post so you know I already consider myself an armchair GM. I'm here to discuss football, not throw insults.

What are you here for-to judge the posts?

Most everyone else is here making various points about the Skins, I would suggest that you join the discussion, not sit up in the balcony like a muppet, commenting.

Hell, we could all do that.But what do you think about the Skins,huh, smart guy?

Posted by: hsmall | October 16, 2007 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Just one more tidbit on my frustrations over not once giving the ball to sellars on any of the 3rd and 4th and 1 or 2...

Unlike everyone else who ran the ball that day, big mike was averaging 4.7 yards per carry...regardless of the line issues, it is easier to run block than pass block...so why not ask big mike to just fall forward to pick up on one yard.

I guess plays like this are just too boring when you want to run a flashy offense (misdirected snaps to portis, end arounds, etc.).

One thing is for sure about ANY business...when things are tough, you focus on the basics first. I guess a fullback up the gut is just too basic for saunders and gibbs to consider.

Posted by: Skins Fan in Baltimore | October 17, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

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