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Montgomery Signs 1-Year Tender (Updated)

Jason Reid and Jason La Canfora report:

Defensive tackle Anthony Montgomery, a restricted free agent, has signed his one-year contract tender, worth about $1 million, from the Redskins.

The team is waiting for defensive tackle Kedric Golston to sign his offer. However, team sources said he has several weeks in which to do so and is in no hurry.

Golston has signed a waiver that allows him to participate in offseason workouts despite not signing his offer sheet, according to a source. He is happy to be with the Redskins and intends to sign, barring any unforeseen developments. As a restricted free agent other clubs could still make him an offer, losing a draft pick as compensation.

The record contract given to tackle Albert Haynesworth means Golston's starting opportunities could dwindle should Golston and tackle Cornelius Griffin remain healthy.

By Cindy Boren  |  March 25, 2009; 2:00 PM ET
 
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first...

and good signing...those 2 DTs have potential, especally next to Albert

Posted by: merajc86 | March 25, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

From Maske's Blog:

"
Congressman Praises DirecTV Deal
Rep. Joe Barton (R-Tex.) praised the NFL's extension of its deal with DirecTV for the league's "Sunday Ticket" package.

Under the terms of the deal, announced Monday, consumers in areas in which DirecTV service is not available will be able to purchase a new "Sunday Ticket" broadband package.

"Speaking as a hard core Cowboys fan, I'm excited that the NFL and DirecTV extended the Sunday Ticket through the 2014 season," Barton, the ranking Republican member of the House energy and commerce committee, said in a written statement released today. "As a broadband backer, I am enthused that they're using the internet to stream games to a global audience.

"Next they'll be watching the Cowboys whip the Redskins in Texas and in Washington, as usual, but maybe even in Timbuktu. Broadband is ready for prime time and the decision demonstrates the truth of what I've said for quite awhile: We've never had more video options or better technology, and when the government stays out of the way, good things happen for television viewers."
"

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 25, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, Rep. Barton, like RI, does not let facts get in the way of talking non sense....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 25, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

From the last posting:

"Congressman Praises DirecTV Deal
Rep. Joe Barton (R-Tex.) praised the NFL's extension of its deal with DirecTV for the league's "Sunday Ticket" package.

Under the terms of the deal, announced Monday, consumers in areas in which DirecTV service is not available will be able to purchase a new "Sunday Ticket" broadband package.

"Speaking as a hard core Cowboys fan, I'm excited that the NFL and DirecTV extended the Sunday Ticket through the 2014 season," Barton, the ranking Republican member of the House energy and commerce committee, said in a written statement released today. "As a broadband backer, I am enthused that they're using the internet to stream games to a global audience.

"Next they'll be watching the Cowboys whip the Redskins in Texas and in Washington, as usual, but maybe even in Timbuktu. Broadband is ready for prime time and the decision demonstrates the truth of what I've said for quite awhile: We've never had more video options or better technology, and when the government stays out of the way, good things happen for television viewers."

Joe Barton is living proof that the good people of Texas will elect a complete and total blithering idiot as long as there is an "R" next to his name.

What a freakin' tool - Good to know that the NFL is coming to the broadbends? How about making a product (NFL Sunday Ticket) available to all of his constituents?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 25, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

its so futuristic now....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 25, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

He just used this opportunity to take a jab of his 2nd home Team. And to show Texas, he hasn't been converted over.

I say we kidnap him, put an Arrington jersey on him and snap a picture of him sitting next to the chief while he's tomahawking a Troy Aikman bobblehead 2 weeks before reelection.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 25, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

F Joe Barton and the broadbranded-cowboys -horse he rode in on.

Awesome the Monty has signed his, now let's get Golston to do the same.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 25, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Likes the new format. Hates the Cowpokes.

Posted by: Devo2 | March 25, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Gohlston may have a taker. He has up to the week before the draft to sign.

There was a reason gohlston was given the higher tender. I think they should have given him the 1st round tender, though...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 25, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Regarding Monty/Golston, I'm expecting a jump in their level of play this year. With AH drawing what most likely be a double team on most downs, those two need to step up....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 25, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, the updates look good.

One suggestion though - ask the designers to increase the line-height in the comments section. The rows of text are looking a bit cramped, and increasing the line-height will definitely make everything easier to read.

Posted by: --swb | March 25, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Of all the off season jibba-jabba the WR issue concerns me the most. I have been supportive of the FO even when it was hard, but I don't understand how the coaching staff is handling Kelly and Thomas. Kelly has been hurt and I get that, but why is James Thrash entrenched as the third WR. James Thrash would be a special teams player at best on any other NFL team. We have seen this movie before. ARE cannot stretch defenses, and Moss cannot beat double coverage.

You HAVE to coach the rookies up! It's too soon to give up on them, but PUT THEM ON THE FRIGGIN" FIELD!!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 25, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

So, lets say Golston doesn't sign and we get Daniels back, aren't we a little stacked at DT anyways? Let's not forget Prof. Griff.

Posted by: LarryBud | March 25, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Vinny stated on RedskinsNation last week that he saw Daniels/Wynn sharing playing time on 1st/2nd downs at LDE, and having a speed rusher on passing downs.

I do think I see Daniels and Wynn coming inside during passing situations, though.

Rob Jackson and Chris Wilson will be getting plenty of opportunities this coming year.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 25, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

antonchigur: "MPD (Multiple Personality Disorder) alert! MPD alert! Someone get this dude back on his meds, stat!"

Whoops, you're too late. MPD disappeared years ago. Maybe you could say it 'split.'

Posted by: Samson151 | March 25, 2009 11:00 AM |

LOL on your riposte. I know there is new nomenclature for this - DID (Dissociative Identity Disorder) - but if I had used this terminology instead of MPD I doubt many would have any idea what the fork I was saying. I suppose there was a good reason for the change, but to the average layman like myself the MPD terminology means something whereas DID means DIDdly.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 25, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

So, lets say Golston doesn't sign and we get Daniels back, aren't we a little stacked at DT anyways? Let's not forget Prof. Griff.

Posted by: LarryBud | March 25, 2009 2:42 PM

Yes & No. More of a 'no.' This year, we are stacked at DT. If Golston leaves, we get a second rounder, but I agree with 4th, we should have tendered him at a first round level. The guy is a stud, period. But if he leaves, we gotta pull for Griff to get back to 100% health.

If Golston leaves, then next season is what we gotta worry about, if Griff is healthy this season. Griff will be in his tenth? season?? I think that is a cause for concern.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 25, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

"Thrash entrenched as the third WR. James Thrash would be a special teams player at best on any other NFL team. We have seen this movie before. ARE cannot stretch defenses, and Moss cannot beat double coverage.

You HAVE to coach the rookies up! It's too soon to give up on them, but PUT THEM ON THE FRIGGIN" FIELD!!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 25, 2009"

TIME TO Channel the PRIEST! (as in Priest Holmes)


ughabughaghgha hamster gerbil vinster snidley ...

james thrash versus gen "Y" of the "wide receiver":

1. Thrash has always been an overachiever with an
excellent attitude.

2. A special teams headhunter who has been a
starting receiver, a superior blocker,
someone who can play positions like h-back
and tight end in a pinch.

3. James Thrash shows up for games even when
injured. He knows he is only 1 play away from
the waiver wire. He continues to overachieve
even with diminished athletic abilities.

4. James Thrash has the trust and admiration of
coaches and team mates.

THE NEW GEN wide receivers:
2nd round draft picks (Thomas, Kelly, Davis)

1. Bad attitude, continuous knee injury issues,
lack of aptitude (read intelligence).

2. They do not play on the special teams because
they are still learning to block and tackle.

3. They have not grasped even the simplest
formations and pass patterns.

4. They do not have the respect of team mates who
expect rookies to come in and make the team.
Not be given jobs just because releasing them
would make the owner and VP of playing himself
look bad.

5. You might as well call them 3 blind brandon lloyds, see how they don't run, catch, or block.

Posted by: periculum | March 25, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mopp04 | March 25, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

F this Barton dueche

and

F Direct TV Deal...You should be able to get NFL ticket on cable too.....I would pay a handsome ransom if I could get it through Time Warner..

I hate haTE HATE the nfl/dIRECT tv exclusivity deal...

Posted by: chrislarry | March 25, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Today is the 25th, not the 24th. No way news like that goes unnoticed for a whole day.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 25, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 25, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

LarryBud:

I say yes to your post. The pressure's off. ALEXANDER is at that slot also don't forget, despite his forays onto the offensive side of the field. We are now phat at DT even if GOLSTON doesn't sign with four experienced players at that position.

But DE is thin and DANIELS wants more than cap room would allow. I think he's gone if any reasonable offer appears between now and the week before the draft. Even one that only matches the 'SKINS. That pressures us to draft a DE much higher than we would have if PHILLIP were in the fold. I can't see the trio of newbies (WILSON, JACKSON, or BUZBEE) having a serious impact on run defense from the LDE position.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 25, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Nice one 4th....love it.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 25, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

periculum...

Once again, this is remnants Gibbsonian thinking. It's fine that Thrash is a character guy and has the respect of his coaches and teammates, but he also strikes no fear into opposing defenses and they don't have to account for him. Thomas and Kelly are no threat either, but they need to put their eggs into that 2nd round basket they used to pick him.

Character doesn't score TD's

Posted by: rickyroge | March 25, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Danny worth $1.0billion (via Steinbog via Forbes). Means the Skins are easily his #1 asset, especially since it includes the stadium which is probably worth 1/2. And while Danny could get a loan against the asset, the stadium itself isn't very liquid.

Danny has a lot less wiggle room financially than I'd imagined

Posted by: zcezcest1

Just to follow up -- isn't the Redskins franchise worth about $1.3 billion?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 25, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Rep. Joe Barton (R-Tex.) praised the NFL's extension of its deal with DirecTV for the league's "Sunday Ticket" package. ...
"Speaking as a hard core Cowboys fan, I'm excited that the NFL and DirecTV extended the Sunday Ticket through the 2014 season," Barton, the ranking Republican member of the House energy and commerce committee, said in a written statement released today. ...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 25, 2009 2:15 PM |

DirecTV did an analysis of its "Sunday Ticket" user population. It looked at the various locations of a team's subscribers. So it found that the largest number of Skins subscribers were in Charlotte NC, no suprise because the NFL beamed Skins games to NC before the Panters moved in and there are quite a few Skins hard cores still drawing breath in NC. The most surprising result of their analysis was that the largest number of Cowboy subscribers were in the DC TV market. The thought was that these suscribers were mainly transplanted Texans like this Farton dude. But when they looked a little closer they found that most of the subscribers were DC area natives.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 25, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I think we are almost set at the DT position. Between Haynesworth, Griffin, and Montgomery we good. We can replace Jason Tayor with Jackson or Wilson. They will be ready. The draft will be critical for us. We must stay with our 13th pick. If all the top OT are gone, then we pick up Brian Cushing. If Andre Smith is there at 13 we grab him fast. I believe something will happen in the draft and one of those OT will be there. After the draft I say we bring in another receiver and let our young receivers know that they have to work to earn a spot and it wont just be given to them. Holt, Harrison, or Toomer if they are still available. Heyer will beat out Jansen again, and this time it won't be close. Cambell will have his best year this year. It's his second full year in our offense and he knows that if he doesn't get it done this year he's gone. GO SKINS!!!!!!!!

Posted by: louloudekdek1 | March 25, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Also I can't see us doing ANYTHING at the WR positions or TE for that matter. We went heavy at those positions last draft, and FO is not gonna' bail now. They've committed to the players they picked. SAY PERICULUM, where's that intern when you need him?

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 25, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Character doesn't score TD's

Posted by: rickyroge | March 25, 2009 3:03 PM

1st Cowboys game @ Texas Stadium last season.

The Unsung 'CORE REDSKIN', James Arthur Thrash, scored our 1st TD....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 25, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

"Next they'll be watching the Cowboys whip the Redskins in Texas and in Washington, as usual, but maybe even in Timbuktu."


I swear there has to be some kind of official psychosis for Cowgirl fans with the same set of delusions and symptoms:

1)thinking that the Cowboys have had more success than the Redskins over the years

2) thinking it is the early 90's and the Triplets will take the field

3) thinking that the Cowboys are important to people outside of Texas and ESPN.

4) thinking that the Cowboys have been a relevant team in the NFL over the past dozen years.

Posted by: p1funk | March 25, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

But when they looked a little closer they found that most of the subscribers were DC area natives.


Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 25, 2009 3:08 PM

Because people around who don't like the Redskins automatically gravitate towards the Cowboys. There also a lot of 49ers fans who were converted in the 80s.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 25, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Sorry 4th...

Score 1 for character!

BTW, I like James Thrash but we fall in love with inferior talent in this organization. If I'm a defensive coordinator and I see the Skins in the schedule, I lose ZERO sleep!

However, with any resemblance of an unpredicatable, explosive offense and this team is 12-4 last year.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 25, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

The record contract given to tackle Albert Haynesworth means Golston's starting opportunities could dwindle should Golston and tackle Cornelius Griffin remain healthy.

By Cindy Boren | March 25, 2009; 2:00 PM ET

This is pitiful. Golston's afraid to compete with Haynesworth for a starting position? Let him go play for the Cowboys.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 25, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, swb. I'll pass that along.

Posted by: CindyBoren | March 25, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

The record contract given to tackle Albert Haynesworth means Golston's starting opportunities could dwindle should Golston and tackle Cornelius Griffin remain healthy.

By Cindy Boren

No way Haynesworth plays more than 2/3 of the plays. Same with Griffin. At least 3 DTs will play over 50% of the snaps. Golston is likely to play more snaps than either Albert or Griff.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 25, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

"Because people around who don't like the Redskins automatically gravitate towards the Cowboys. There also a lot of 49ers fans who were converted in the 80s......."

People (with no ties to Texas or the midwest even) started liking the Cowgirls while they were winning Super Bowls. Losers have to associate with winners in order to feel better about themselves.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 25, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

But when they looked a little closer they found that most of the subscribers were DC area natives.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 25, 2009 3:08 PM

Because people around who don't like the Redskins automatically gravitate towards the Cowboys. There also a lot of 49ers fans who were converted in the 80s.......

**********************************

Since the 'Skins were the last team to be integrated a lot of DC area people that would've rooted for them chose to root for Dallas instead. No better way to show your opposition to a team than by rooting for it's arch rival.

Posted by: countystyle | March 25, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

'Character doesn't score TD's'

I agree wholeheartedly.

Thrash is like the nice girl who's always honest, sweet, and trustworthy, but never satisfies.

Me?: I want a thrill.

Gimme Torrie Holt lining up opposite Moss with Cooley flexed and Devin Thomas at 'z.'

I want points, not honesty.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 25, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Moe,

Fo Sure.

"Me?: I want a thrill.

Gimme Torrie Holt lining up opposite Moss with Cooley flexed and Devin Thomas at 'z.'

I want points, not honesty."

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 25, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Its not Thrash's fault that he beat out Thomas and Kelly. The reason to keep Thrash, who is at the vet minimum I believe, is because he doesn't give anyone a free pass. Thrash will take your job away if you don't show up ready. That's a useful thing to have, for vet minimum $$.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 25, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

'Golston is likely to play more snaps than either Albert or Griff.'


We hate on Vinny while ignoring he drafted Golston and Montegomery--two guys who've quietly improved and made themselves necessary.

Hopefully, we feel the same way about Rob Jackson, Buzbee, and Chris Wilson next spring. They belong on the field, and if they're weak, why are they even on the team?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 25, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

We hate on Vinny while ignoring he drafted Golston and Montgomery--two guys who've quietly improved and made themselves necessary.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Then why did Vinny give them the chance to walk? Monty I can understand. Golston ... he needs a new agent. The guy is good. We should have signed Golston to a 4-5 year deal. Golston will be the biggest beneficiary by playing next to Albert.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 25, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

CountryStyle - If people are still using that last team to be integrated bullcrap, I should still be stomping my feet for 20 acres and Pony (since only one of my parents are slave descendants)......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 25, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Pardon me for saying this but those "nice girl who's always honest, sweet, and trustworthy"....well, you know what Billy Joel said about Catholic girls

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 25, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

'Its not Thrash's fault that he beat out Thomas and Kelly'

In Zorn's world, he beat them out because he, a vet of more than one or two systems, could quickly comprehend the playbook, something a lot of rookies--like Thomas/Kelly-- need a season or two to do.

He wasn't better. He just knew what was going on.

But once he got to the field, was his production worth the playbook knowledge?

Don't think so, my friends.

Zorn should've drawn up a small, steady package of basic plays and put the high-drafted rooks on the field so they at least get a 'taste' of action.

Taste is very important.

Rememba what CL Smooth said about it in T.R.O.Y. "...give the man a taste, and he's goonnnnne..."

(INSERT wailing saxophone solo against Pete Rock's lazy and hypnotic East Coast early '90s beat.)

'...And I'm out......'

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 25, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

It's not Thrash's fault for beating the rookies out but that doesn't mean the guy is a good WR anymore. He gets no separation from corners and should either be special teams only as a 5th receiver or cut altogether.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 25, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

If Thrash is on the squad this year I will..well i hesitate to promise b/c i am pretty sure Thrash will be on the roster....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 25, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Let us hope that Thomas can beat out Thrash then....

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 25, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest

'Then why did Vinny give them the chance to walk?'


I guess the guy is very good at ignoring/screwing up/profiting from his own investments.

Say: I got an idea. Let's change his name to Vinny 'Madoff' Cerrato.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 25, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Rob Jackson and Chris Wilson will be getting plenty of opportunities this coming year.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 25, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I love the motor on chris wilson. he might be a bit raw but damn...when he gets going, he's fun to watch fly off that end!

Posted by: Islord | March 25, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

4th - I'm not saying people are still using that as their reason, but if it was their grandfather's reason for being a Cowboys fan then that would most likely mean their father is a Dallas fan and so they are too. I'm a Skins fan because my grandfather had season tickets and my whole family is Redskins fans. But had my grandfather been a Cowboys fan then I'd guess I probably would be too.

Posted by: countystyle | March 25, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Longer Regular Season 'Is Coming'
DANA POINT, Calif.--The NFL appears well on its way to lengthening its regular season.

A tentative proposal to increase the regular season from 16 to 17 or 18 games per team--and to reduce the preseason by a corresponding number of games--wasn't voted on by the franchise owners at the annual league meeting that ended here today. But it was discussed in some detail, and several owners said there was little to practically no opposition.

"I think we're heading in that direction," New York Giants co-owner John Mara said.

Mara said he favors a 16-game regular season but has little company among the owners in holding that view.

"I don't know if there is anyone else," Mara said. "... I just think it's pretty tough on the health of your players late in the season... but it [a longer regular season] is coming."

========================================

The one Bad Thing about having a new school owner. All they care about is bottom line and nothing else.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 25, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Country,

Thankfully your grandfather had some sense!

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 25, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

MrMOe

not a bad nickname, but also not entirely accurate. Snyder is more akin to "Madoff" while Vinny is more of a "Rasputin" in my eyes.

Posted by: SkinsInSichuan | March 25, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

He (Thrash) wasn't better. He just knew what was going on.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Thrash was better. Knowing what's going on IS a part of being better.

If you want to argue that Thrash shouldn't have been better or won't be better once the 2nd rounders decide its important to know how to run a pattern ... I'd hope that's the case.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 25, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

"The one Bad Thing about having a new school owner. All they care about is bottom line and nothing else.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 25, 2009 4:15 PM"

In our case, yes. But I;m sure there are some young guns that are old school and care about their team's health more than their bottom line.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 25, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

RE Cutler's alleged drinking problem...

Riggo only had a problem drinking when he was hanging from the rafters, upside down.

Posted by: chasgiffen | March 25, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

sh*t list

1. Rep. Joe Barton (R-Tex.)

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 25, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

CONGREE IS BACK AT IT

Heard on the Hill: Vitter Goes From Hookergate to Gate-Crashing
March 11, 2009
By Emily Heil and Elizabeth Brotherton
Roll Call Staff


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Among Members of Congress, there’s a long-standing, proud tradition of the Airport Freakout. Add to the list of those who’ve indulged in meltdowns and temper tantrums while traveling one Sen. David Vitter, who on Thursday joined what we’ve dubbed the “Mile-Low Club” by going ballistic on an airline worker after missing a flight from Washington’s Dulles airport to New Orleans.

According to an HOH tipster who witnessed the scene, the Louisiana Republican arrived Thursday evening at his United Airlines gate 20 minutes before the plane was scheduled to depart, only to find the gate had already been closed. Undeterred, Vitter opened the door, setting off a security alarm and prompting an airline worker to warn him that entering the gate was forbidden.

Vitter, our spy said, gave the airline worker an earful, employing the timeworn “do-you-know-who-I-am” tirade that apparently grew quite heated.

That led to some back and forth, and the worker announced to the irritable Vitter that he was going to summon security.

Vitter, according to the witness, remained defiant, yelling that the employee could call the police if he wanted to and their supervisors, who, presumably, might be more impressed with his Senator’s pin.

But after talking a huffy big game, Vitter apparently thought better of pushing the confrontation any further. When the gate attendant left to find a security guard, Vitter turned tail and simply fled the scene.

Perhaps he recalled some of the airport antics that have landed his colleagues in trouble, including Rep. Bob Filner’s (D-Calif.) arrest at Dulles in 2007 for allegedly assaulting an airline worker. Or perhaps he thought of the lashing that Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) took for reports of her diva-esque airport behavior.

Vitter has only recently been reasserting himself in Congress, following a stint in the metaphorical wilderness after his name showed up in 2007 on the phone records of the “D.C. Madam.”

Or Vitter, whose spokesman wouldn’t comment on the incident, might have learned just a little something from his sex-scandal embarrassment about impulse control.

http://www.rollcall.com/issues/54_100/hoh/33055-1.html?type=printer_friendly

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 25, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

MW - Name one. All of them have heavy debt. So, the more money the can earn the better for them....

CountrySyle - I feel you on that. But I know too many that are THE only one in their whole fam to be a 'girls fan while everyone else are hardcore skins fan. I think it mostly has to do with the them winning in the '70s and '90s and being on TV too much.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 25, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

David Vitter is a twit

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 25, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

4th,

You got any gum? I cannot name anyone, but for my own amusement I will think that they exist.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 25, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

This is pitiful. Golston's afraid to compete with Haynesworth for a starting position? Let him go play for the Cowboys.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

huh? he's not afraid he's just not as gifted

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 25, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Pab,

By gifted, you mean, rich?

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 25, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

4th - Yeah, I totally know a bunch of people like that too. My cousin actually pulled the flip this past season after getting in a fight with my aunt and uncle who are Skins fans. One more way for a teenager to rebel, I guess. I should've made him give me all of his Redskins gear so I could hand it out at games.

Posted by: countystyle | March 25, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

stop asking for Holt, he's 83 years old

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 25, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Danny has a lot less wiggle room financially than I'd imagined

Just to follow up -- isn't the Redskins franchise worth about $1.3 billion?

Posted by: zcezcest1
------------------
Snyder doesn't own 100% of the Redskins and the Stadium, although he has bought out at least one of the minor partners in the past. Plus he incurred substantial debt to purchase the team, so his "equity" in the Redskins franchise is not $1.3B -- it's far less. But I'd guess it is still his largest asset, based on how his other companies have tanked.

Posted by: RambleOn | March 25, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

We hate on Vinny while ignoring he drafted Golston and Montegomery--two guys who've quietly improved and made themselves necessary.

posted by MistaMoe

Amen, a 5th and a 6th rounder. Alexander is a guy the Ravens drafted and were unable to keep, too. That's for you people who admire the Ravens draft philosophy so much

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 25, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Then why did Vinny give them the chance to walk? Monty I can understand. Golston ... he needs a new agent. The guy is good. We should have signed Golston to a 4-5 year deal. Golston will be the biggest beneficiary by playing next to Albert.

Posted by: zcezcest1

We can match any offer, so he hasn't given them a chance to walk yet

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 25, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

"stop asking for Holt, he's 83 years old

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 25, 2009 4:39 PM "

If you think Tory Holt is old, just look at Marvin Harrison.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 25, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

"Alexander is a guy the Ravens drafted and were unable to keep, too. That's for you people who admire the Ravens draft philosophy so much

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 25, 2009 4:42 PM "

Pab, he was undrafted.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 25, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

From the Times:

R. Wynne

On possibly starting in 2009 after being a backup the past three years with Washington, New Orleans and the Giants:

"Greg Blache just said they wanted me back. He said he wished he didn't have to [cut me] then. I understand it's a business and that he shouldn't feel bad because in hindsight it was the best thing that ever happened to me. Wherever I've been, I go in thinking I'm going to start. I don't want anything given to me. If that's the case, I want to come in and earn it."

On the past three humbling seasons:

"This journey I've taken has been a good one and it's been an enlightening one. It has helped me become a better player, a better person. I'm coming back with a different purpose, a different perspective which can definitely contribute to the team. When [I was cut], even though it hurt and it was disappointing, it ended up being the best thing that ever happened to me because it put a fire on my feet that apparently I hadn't had for a few years. When your back's against the wall, you really learn a lot about yourself. Certain guys don't have to fight for a job and I looked at myself as one of those guys. I thought I was going to be on the team. Now all of a sudden, I'm a on a week-to-week contract and I got to make sure I'm on my 'A' game every week. I can't relax at all. I still have that attitude."

On returning to Washington:

"It's like deja vu, an opportunity that I didn't foresee, but God had other plans. I'm definitely glad to be back. I've been trying to sell my house for a year and a half. I haven't been able to get back. It's been great for me, my wife and my daughter. Everyone's happy. When you go home and you know your family's in a comfortable situation, it makes it even better, knowing that you don't have to worry about that part. We were a little uneasy last year being in New York. We still have a place in Vegas. We've been there for years now. But this is like a second home. You never realize how much a place grows on you until you leave.

On walking into the locker room: "It was surreal coming back here. Clinton has my old locker next to Sean Taylor. I hadn't seen that until today. It brought back some memories of being next to Sean. So in a way, I'm glad that I'm on the other side of the locker room. It's kind of like a fresh start. I got my old number [97] back.

On pal Phillip Daniels' possible return to join him in a veteran tandem at left end:

"Hopefully we get Phil back. I think Phil will come back. I don't know when, but sooner or later, I think he'll make the decision to come back."

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 25, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

By gifted, you mean, rich?

Posted by: matthewvickers

lol. when Hayney and golsty are out there together most teams will double......Golsty

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 25, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

"Character doesn't score TD's

Posted by: rickyroge | March 25, 2009"

Todd Yoder caught 8 passes and a TD.
Fred Davis caught 3 for ZERO.

There is also such a thing as scoring on TDs
on special teams.

And such a thing as TACKLING on specials to keep TDs from occurring.

Thrash does these things. The guys you want on the field are "too good" for that sort of thing and prefer hanging 10 at the beach or listening to rap music.

Posted by: periculum | March 25, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Bean.

That is what you call insightful. 2 minutes of a good read.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 25, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Mista Moe,

The Priest is channeling again ...

Sez to remind you that James Thrash was an undrafted free agent in 1997. He was in only 4 games as a rookie.

By 1998 he was the punt returner for the Redskins and a special teams standout.

Based on what we've seen (Kelly injuries), Thomas attitude, Davis dunder-headedness.

What makes you believe that they won't get released ala guys like Taylor Jacobs and Walter Murray?

Posted by: periculum | March 25, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Thrash had a sub-par season or do you call 12 special team tackles in 16 games good? The Skins special teams sucked at blocking, gunning, and tackling last year.

Thrash is 33yrs old with a 945 million dollar salary next year. He could be replaced by a younger, cheaper player who has better future potential + a minimum salary veteran for depth.


Posted by: siris | March 25, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

"Thrash had a sub-par season or do you call 12 special team tackles in 16 games good? The Skins special teams sucked at blocking, gunning, and tackling last year."

DUH. 12 on the specials is A LOT for a smallish ***wide receiver*** versus a defensive player dontcha think? He's not Mike Sellers. How many tackles on the specials did Rob Jackson make last year? Fred Davis? D. Thomas? M. Kelly?

Only 1 guy did a good enough job to be on the specials (and as you state they sucked) 2 were FORCED on the Danny Smith when the FO released Leigh Torrence.

Bad draft picks, just plain stupid ...

"Thrash is 33yrs old with a 945 million dollar salary next year. He could be replaced by a younger, cheaper player who has better future potential + a minimum salary veteran for depth.
Posted by: siris | March 25, 2009"

EXACTLY AND THEY NEED THAT SALARY CAP SPACE!!! So, why hasn't it happened with a crop of 10 rookies!!! They should have easily beat out a James Thrash just by being willing to put some effort into playing on the special teams while they learn the offense. Did they? **** NO ****

So, now they have to wait for the next crop of rookies to find out if they can release Thrash as they did Leigh Torrence.


Posted by: periculum | March 25, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I have watched Colt Brennan for years at Hawaii and saw him in pre-season last year. This kid has the ability and skill to be a pro bowl QB, He has a quick release, see's the whole field, makes quick reads and is more accurate than Matt Ryan and Flacco! I watched him in the QB challenge before the draft and he was spectacular at putting the ball in the receivers hands
better than the last two. John Madden said this kid was going to be a star! Put him in!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | March 25, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

peri

1997 was 11 years ago, and the sand has run to the bottom of James Thrash's professional hourglass.

It would make sense that an undrafted free agent would excel at special teams as that's how they make a team.

But given the short life of NFL contracts, high-drafted guys like Thomas and Kelly belong on the field or in a scenario where their skills can be ascertained.

Thomas should've been returning punts when ARE's lameness was patently obvious.

If Kelly was so hurt he couldn't play, he should have been put on injured reserve and the team could've carried an additional o-lineman on the active roster.

If there is any blame for the Thrash-Kelly-Thomas, it must be tendered towards the clown who avoided drafting for need as, I guess, he felt a Sooner wideout with a bum knee and a Spartan who was a 1 year Big Ten wonder were somehow the best players on the board during the 3rd round of the NFL draft last year.

And we all know both the name of the circus and under which big top that clown performs in.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 25, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

peri

1997 was 11 years ago, and the sand has run to the bottom of James Thrash's professional hourglass.

It would make sense that an undrafted free agent would excel at special teams as that's how they make a team.

But given the short life of NFL contracts, high-drafted guys like Thomas and Kelly belong on the field or in a scenario where their skills can be ascertained.

Thomas should've been returning punts when ARE's lameness was patently obvious.

If Kelly was so hurt he couldn't play, he should have been put on injured reserve and the team could've carried an additional o-lineman on the active roster.

If there is any blame for the Thrash-Kelly-Thomas, it must be tendered towards the clown who avoided drafting for need as, I guess, he felt a Sooner wideout with a bum knee and a Spartan who was a 1 year Big Ten wonder were somehow the best players on the board during the 3rd round of the NFL draft last year.

And we all know both the name of the circus and under which big top that clown performs in.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 25, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

"And we all know both the name of the circus and under which big top that clown performs in.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 25, 2009"

Which seems to have led to the Haynesworth and Hall signings and the current predicament in which 10 more draft picks (11 like the Egles would be nice) will be required in order just to attempt to field a team within the salary cap next year. One that has a reasonable chance in the BEAST.

If the same clowns pick again this team is doomed.

Posted by: periculum | March 25, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

"John Madden said this kid was going to be a star! Put him in!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | March 25, 2009"

We can pick up Ryan Leaf and Tim Couch for a song. How about Brady Quinn over in Cleveland? And if we follow the Snidely model, trade draft picks for Cutler and somehow fit him into the salary cap.

For Colt the first thing to do is prove that he is better than Todd Collins. If he could do that he would be the #2 guy and then he would likely get his chance to "go in" and prove his worth.

Otherwise he is just another wasted draft pick from a complete flop of a draft year.

Posted by: periculum | March 25, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

+++ARE cannot stretch defenses, and Moss cannot beat double coverage.

You HAVE to coach the rookies up! It's too soon to give up on them, but PUT THEM ON THE FRIGGIN" FIELD!!!!

Posted by: rickyroge +++


Obviously, none of us are privy to locker room dynamics, thus we don't know how good a leader Thrash is, or how big a knucklehead Thomas may be.

But I have to assume these are not minor issues on Thomas' part, otherwise a smart coach--and Zorn's no dummy, he knows his job's on the line--would "coach him up " and let him work out the minor kinks on the field.

This is specially so in that Zorn's boss, the man who hired him, drafted Thomas to become a top receiver.

So, just how bad is this guy? We don't know. But I think lack of effort has to be amajor factor. The Bozo may not care. He showed up out of shape last year, and he hasn't even shown up yet THIS year.

This guy was a huge dud last year, and he can't be bothered to come to "voluntary" training camp?

If this is indicative, I can't see how Zorn COULD play the guy without destroying morale and his own leadership image.

Coach has to send a message that hard work is rewarded. It's a shame they couldn't ptu Thomas' raw talent in Thrash's body.


Posted by: TheCork | March 25, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Madden never said Colt was going to be a star. He did like some things about Colt, but that's a long way from 'he's gonna be a good one'. Madden never makes that kind of judgment on preseason games

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 25, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see Golston back...they should not let him walk...

As far as Thrash goes...he's been a true "Redskin", but it's time to move on. As Doc Walker would say, take the "shrinkwrap" off the rookies and play em'. No way in hell Thrash is the fourth receiver on any team.

Also, ARE should not be on the edge...he could be a Wes Welker if you had a threat other than Moss on the other side.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 25, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Wow, how badly do the skins wish they had those 3 second round picks back now...quite a disappointment. But I blame a lot of the lack of production/maturity from the rookies on Coach Zorn. He didn't trust them enough to give them much playing time and even scratched a healthy Malcolm Kelly several times.

How hard is it to tell Kelly to run a damn fade route and put him in there when we are inside the 20 yard line? But no, he'd rather call a wide receiver screen or a draw play...

Posted by: hender_22 | March 25, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Cork...

You make some good points, but I remember the playoffs in Seattle. This is a mediocre receiving corps. If you double team Moss and Cooley, we've got nothin'.

The jury is still out on Thomas, although early indicators don't look good.

I'd like to tell a Devin Thomas story:

My buddy got VIP tickets to Redskins training camp last summer and we had full access to players after practice. Devin Thomas was the only and obvious jerk out of the bunch. He didn't sign one autograph telling the PR lady that the "bus (back to the rookie place)was leaving". She looked at him like, "what a jerk". Malcom Kelly was the complete opposite and by the way, Kelly is a BIG dude. He would be a beast in the red zone.

All this to say that I can see what Zorn sees.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 25, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

hender...

I completely agree...

PUT THE DANG PLAYERS ON THE FIELD!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 25, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

My other favorite was in two minute drill mop-up time, the cameras pan the sideline showing Thomas, Davis, and Kelly watching intently as we line up 4-wide no huddle offense with Betts, Yoder, Thrash, and ARE. I think I saw Shaun Alexander out there once too...

Nice job Zorn.

Posted by: hender_22 | March 25, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Thrash earned his way onto the field. Its important for any coach to make it clear that what gets you on the field is being better.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 25, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the accidental double-posting.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 25, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Why all the hate for Thrash? It's not his fault he's the third best receiver on the team. That blame can be assigned to, well, you ought to know by now.

Posted by: mack1 | March 25, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

'...If the same clowns pick again this team is doomed...'


Ditto

That's why I think all the rt/slb/de-Smith/Orakpo/Maybin/Oher/Curry 13TH pick fantasies the bloggas all have are just that.

There is no tellig what the team wants to do, which is why I've blogged the likelihood that the team might choose to take a corner with the 13th pick or look at Jeremy Maclin/Percy Harvin and say, "Why not?"

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 25, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT'S POLL O' DA WEEK

If you could ask 5 questions of any current Redskin or Redskin official, what would they be?

My 5....

1) Dan Snyder: "Did you consider firing Jim Zorn this season?"

2) Jim Zorn: "How did you really feel about Clinton Portis throwing you under the bus?"

3) Greg Blache: "What went down behind the scenes with the Gregg Williams coaching interview?"

4) Dan Snyder: "What do you think about Jason LaCanfora?"

5) Pete Kendall: "What the hell were you thinking in the Rams game?"

Who's next?

Posted by: rickyroge | March 25, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

how would blanch know that? I don't think he was there

Posted by: alex35332 | March 25, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

As I remember from last pre-season MADDEN agreed with the other sportscvaster that BRENNAN had "it" as in what IT takes to be successful in the NFL.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 25, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

6) Dan Snyder: "Does Vinny Cerrato have pictures of you in a compromising position?"
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 25, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

"if"....

LMAO

Also...c'mon Alex, I'm sure they talked.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 25, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

"By gifted, you mean, rich?
Posted by: matthewvickers

lol. when Hayney and golsty are out there together most teams will double......Golsty
Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 25, 2009 4:50 PM"

Maybe they will [double Golston], lol. What I was alluding to is that Golston is pretty darn good. Nobody is Albert Haynesworth, but Golston can for sure start at DT on any team. Golston and Monty were posturing themselves to take over the DT position for the Skins, for many years to come. But hell, if Golston signs and starts somewhere else, we at least get a second round pick out of it?
Plus, Haynesworth only plays 1/2 of the snaps anyways?

My guess is that he signs.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 25, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Charley Casserly, on NFLN, just said that they almost traded for John Elway. He said they thought about it hard but didn't and went on to win the SB with Rypien.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 25, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

SIC -- you're being lazy when we gotta make up the poll questions.

1. Where you more surprised by how mediocre the explanation was for Jason Taylor's departure or that anyone actually believed it?

2. Why have you drafted so few linemen?

3. Is it really a skill to get a player to come to DC when you are the highest bidder?

4. Who did most of the drafting, you or Joe Gibbs?

5. What % of the time to you beat Danny in racquetball?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 25, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

1. Where you more surprised by how mediocre the explanation was for Jason Taylor's departure or that anyone actually believed it?

A. That anyone believed it

2. Why have you drafted so few linemen?

A. Because linemen don't score touchdowns, except that guy from StL.

3. Is it really a skill to get a player to come to DC when you are the highest bidder?

A. Yes

4. Who did most of the drafting, you or Joe Gibbs?

A. Me

5. What % of the time to you beat Danny in racquetball?

A. Never. Danny is just too good.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 25, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

"Charley Casserly, on NFLN, just said that they almost traded for John Elway. He said they thought about it hard but didn't and went on to win the SB with Rypien.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 25, 2009"

That's HUGE!? If they had done that they would have won more than one superbowl not just the one with Rypien ... perhaps Gibbs wouldn't have "retired"?

Posted by: periculum | March 25, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

I would like to ask all 08 skins opponents

How difficult was it to game plan against the skins offense?

Imo JZ is more responsible for the midseason collapse than any player or players on the field

The offense appeared to be very predictable, which i think magnified some problem areas ie offensive line, receivers getting little or no seperation, JC holding the ball ect.

Posted by: WVskinzfan | March 25, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

My 5....

1) Dan Snyder: "Are you in this for the money or to win, and if it's the latter why don't you hire football people to run a business you obviously don't understand?"

2) Jim Zorn: "You kept all the running plays from the previous administration to use last year, instead of using your own. This year, are you considering adding a third play to that group?"

3) Greg Blache: "Did anyone ask you about Jason Taylor before he was presented to you? What about Haynesworth?"

4) Devin Thomas: "Where in the high holy Hades are you and why don't you care?"

5) Albert Haynesworth: "Will you be referring to your elderly chums at left end as Mr. Wynn and Mr Daniels "Sir" or "Pops"?"

Posted by: TheCork | March 25, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Didn't see it myself but folks up here earlier were claming DT is at the workouts

Posted by: WVskinzfan | March 25, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Be nice to ask Casserly his thoughts on the recent Redskins drafts ... how much to credit to Gibbs and his coaches and where Vinnie the Serendipitist fit in.

Seeing last year's draft and comparing it to the one where they go McIntosh, Montgomery, Golston, Doughty ... all starters without any 1st round pick ... makes one wonder ...

Even the last draft under Gibbs and Grilliams where they got LaRon Landry and HB Blades ...

Sean Taylor, Chris Cooley in the THIRD ROUND not even the SECOND like the reprobates chosen by Vinnie ...

Carlos Rogers and Jason Campbell ...

And Mark Wilson, Jordan Palmer and Robert McCune are still around ...

Posted by: periculum | March 25, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

"6) Dan Snyder: "Does Vinny Cerrato have pictures of you in a compromising position?"
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 25, 2009"

How often do you kiss the framed photo of Snidely's parent's on your desk?

Posted by: periculum | March 25, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Pab, he was undrafted.

Posted by: matthewvickers

thanks, but you get the point he was a Raven

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 25, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Anthony Montegomery is an interesting case.

The guy is massive, but not dominating.

Kedric Golston-the guy Montegomery will always be linked to- is not massive, but does inflict damage.

They are both good examples of low round drafted guys who have made themselves valuable.

You hope the likes of C Wilson-R Jackson-A Buzbee-S Heyer get some playing time and the chance to prove their worth.

Guys like them proving they can play might finally convince the FO that players don't have to be some other team's developed player past his prime to be valuable to the Washington Redskins.


Posted by: MistaMoe | March 25, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

excerpt~DUH. 12 on the specials is A LOT for a smallish ***wide receiver*** versus a defensive player dontcha think? He's not Mike Sellers. How many tackles on the specials did Rob Jackson make last year? Fred Davis? D. Thomas? M. Kelly?

Posted by: periculum

excerpt~Sez to remind you that James Thrash was an undrafted free agent in 1997. He was in only 4 games as a rookie.

Posted by: periculum

so Thrash was in only 4 games as a rookie ? Less than devin thomas and fred davis, get your opinion straight. Thrash was a BUST by your standards

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 25, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

"As I remember from last pre-season MADDEN agreed with the other sportscvaster that BRENNAN had "it" as in what IT takes to be successful in the NFL.Posted by: glawrence"

Could be. I feel compelled to point out that Colt also has what it takes to fail in the NFL -- average arm strength, a tendency to sidearm, no game experience under center, and a willowy frame.

Babe Laufenberg had some of the same traits, but Babe had played in an NFL style offense.

Like to see Colt get his chance, but I guess not when the Skins had a chance to win the game.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 25, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Kevin Shaffer-OT Browns, signed with the Bears at 3 years/8 million today in case anyone missed it.

Posted by: will_ga | March 25, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

From Pat Kirwin's mock:

13. Redskins Peria Jerry DT MS

Players under consideration include Michael Oher and Eben Britton. The Redskins want a solid offensive tackle at this spot but they also have to fortify the defensive line. A tough choice here but they can't go wrong. Jerry will line up next to Albert Haynesworth and overnight the Redskins have inside push and four-man pressure on the quarterback without blitzing.

Posted by: will_ga | March 25, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Peria Jerry DT MS

I just don't see this happening at all.

Posted by: will_ga | March 25, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

"As I remember from last pre-season MADDEN agreed with the other sportscvaster that BRENNAN had "it" as in what IT takes to be successful in the NFL.Posted by: glawrence"

if this was true wouldn't Colt have beat out Collins, for the 2nd string job

I don't see any reason to take perry jerry, I did before we got Haynesworth, but now DT is one of our deeper positions

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 25, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Guys like them[golston, montgomery] proving they can play might finally convince the FO that players don't have to be some other team's developed player past his prime to be valuable to the Washington Redskins.

Posted by: MistaMoe

This is some of the best evidence that danny and vinny learned something from having Gibbs here. Support the post Gibbs Snyder era

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 25, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

"so Thrash was in only 4 games as a rookie ? Less than devin thomas and fred davis, get your opinion straight. Thrash was a BUST by your standards

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 25, 2009"

Actually, no he was undrafted and not expected to contribute ... NOT A SECOND ROUND PICK ... he was lucky to make the team and be in 4 games. The next year he was the punt returner.

SECOND ROUND PICKS are supposed to minimally be able to play on special teams. The lower round picks did provide bodies if not quality help there.

The second rounders? Nada. Zilch. And really they all pretty much had jobs because Vinnie said so. Horton was the only true standout.

Posted by: periculum | March 25, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

"so Thrash was in only 4 games as a rookie ? Less than devin thomas and fred davis, get your opinion straight. Thrash was a BUST by your standards

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 25, 2009"

READING comprehension ? I see you didn't bother to read Jason's post about the wide receivers competition. Thrash has pretty much already won the 3rd spot based on the attitudes and health of the 2nd rounders.

That is ridiculous.

Posted by: periculum | March 25, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

RI on Malcolm Kelly: "He is coming off another knee surgery now and hasn't been cleared to take part in the offseason program. Getting a late start again won't help Kelly and it's difficult to imagine the knee concerns not hanging over him for a while." On Devin Thomas: "He's a guy who, on pure merit and production alone last year, was not an NFL-caliber wide receiver and inspired no confidence from his teammates. He must focus on learning the playbook and route running as well as improving his work ethic and attitude." On the dreaded future: "If ithe offense consists of just Clinton Portis, Moss and Chris Cooley, this attack will likely be back in neutral." Just as the fart-grade stink from the disastrous personnel move of Archuleta/Lloyd/Randle El/Carter was beginning to dissipate, another one has blown in. Have mercy on us, Lord.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 25, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

"You hope the likes of C Wilson-R Jackson-A Buzbee-S Heyer get some playing time and the chance to prove their worth."

Heyer has shown his worth ...

The others? Specials, specials, specials, specials

Dexter Manley was double teamed on the specials yet he still managed to be down the field FIRST!
Drove opposing Specials crazy! He was featured on the MNF pre game ...

Jackson? Wilson?

Do what Dexter did and you start for Blache ...

Posted by: periculum | March 25, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Because people around who don't like the Redskins automatically gravitate towards the Cowboys. There also a lot of 49ers fans who were converted in the 80s.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 25, 2009 3:16 PM |

Some have thought that it was the "obsessive" fans, not the team, that they didn't like, and to cheese them off they became Cowboy fans. Here we embrace diversity. If you lived in Texas and it got out that you were a Skins subscriber they would chop you up and feed you to the coyotes.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 25, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

In the post concering the number 3 reciever, acm1179 commented that he had seen video of Devin Thomas being at Redskins Park in the last few days and he and Cambell tossing the ball together. Well, There was also a report and video about him being at the Park working out about a week or so before workouts started and doing something very nice for a handicapped fan. Now,I saw the same videos and read the same report about Thomas. Thomas HAS been at Redskins Park. He's been there working out for a while. He may not have been there the first part of last week, but he's was there working out before the start of workouts, and he has been there since some point after workouts started. Now, I know that Vinny is not the sharpest knife in the drawer and has made some idiotic moves, I am definately not trying to defend him in any way, but to use this kind of journalism, half truths, inuendos, and just plain BS, to propituate a personal fued with him is really reprehensable. Mr. LaCanfora, I used to have an immense amount of respect for you, but due to the constant negativity and venom that you spew forth from this forum, almost on a daily basis, that respect has evaperated almost to the point of contempt now. The only reason I still come here is because of the high regard in which I hold 99.9% of the bloggers here. They are knowledgeable, informed, and intelligent (well, most of you guys, anyway..lol). They may show a lustful dislike for Vinny and Danny at times, but it's done out of a passion and a love for the Redskins, their team, not out of a personal feud...that is the worst possible reason to use your position as you do.

Posted by: guitarman050 | March 25, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Guitarman,

Do you shred?

Because your melting JLC's face off! Lol. Awesome post!

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 25, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Great Post ACM and Guitarman! Too bad Cindy choses never to respond to these type posts.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | March 25, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

From RI: "Dan Steinberg (with assists from Forbes and Thomas Heath) reports that, when it comes to a cash comparison of local pro sports owners, Ted Lerner is really rich. So is Daniel Snyder, but less so." The Lerners could easily outspend that "Evil Empire" 250 miles north of here on I95 who isn't on Forbes' list, but instead they choose to be cheapskates. A payroll that barely exceeds A-Rod's salary and hardly any TV. Makes you wonder why they even bothered to buy the team.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 25, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

pbrain:

Posters earlier were sayin' MADDEN was predicting COLT would be a "STAR" in the NFL. Just statin' what I recollected was said from last preseason. Why should what MADDEN thinks cause COLLINS to be demoted or get the boot in favor of BRENNAN? He's not the coach of the REDSKINS and I'm sure he doesn't want to be. Hey. periculum where's that INTERN?

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 25, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

... Thomas HAS been at Redskins Park. He's been there working out for a while. He may not have been there the first part of last week, but he's was there working out before the start of workouts, and he has been there since some point after workouts started. ...

Posted by: guitarman050 | March 25, 2009 10:41 PM |

After all the bad pub on the dude you would think he would have been out in front of RP on Monday doing cartwheels.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 25, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

++++13. Redskins Peria Jerry DT MS


Posted by: will_ga +++

If this happens, Vinny isn't the ONLY one with photos of Danny and a Goat. Blache has them too.

Posted by: TheCork | March 25, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

"If this happens, Vinny isn't the ONLY one with photos of Danny and a Goat. Blache has them too.

Posted by: TheCork | March 25, 2009"

Only makes sense if they trade down in the first but keep one and get another lower down ... or a high second ...

They still absolutely must draft OL. High enough to have some probability of success.

Posted by: periculum | March 25, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

"There is no telling what the team wants to do, which is why I've blogged the likelihood that the team might choose to take a corner with the 13th pick or look at Jeremy Maclin/Percy Harvin and say, "Why not?"

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 25, 2009"

Drafting a corner might work if the rest were all OL. Works best in a trade down scenario where they get multiple higher picks and Blache and the coaches right on top of Vinnie when their number comes around.

Corner is a greater need than OLB given the return of Washington and converting guys like Wilson and Jackson to OLB instead of letting them languish.

As for DE I think that's covered well enough with what they have now if Daniels returns.

But they must draft tackle/guards and center/guards now.

Posted by: periculum | March 25, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

They are knowledgeable, informed, and intelligent (well, most of you guys, anyway..lol).

I happily take exception to your sweeping generalization.

Also, Guitar Man!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 26, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

“Drafting a corner might work if the rest were all OL. Works best in a trade down scenario where they get multiple higher picks and Blache and the coaches right on top of Vinnie when their number comes around.
Corner is a greater need than OLB given the return of Washington and converting guys like Wilson and Jackson to OLB instead of letting them languish.
As for DE I think that's covered well enough with what they have now if Daniels returns.
But they must draft tackle/guards and center/guards now.”

Posted by: periculum

The recent spike in commentary regarding drafting a cornerback is nonsense. The Skins have more depth in the secondary than any other area on the team. After D Hall dazzled coaches with his ball hawking skills, Springs *or* C Rogers became dispensable.

The secondary was overcrowded last season. Smoot recently talked about this in an interview. The Skins had the luxury of limiting C Roger’s playing time at the end of last season –probably with the intention of preventing him from getting injured so they could trade him. The Skins released Springs and jettisoned a oft-injured player with a ‘me first’ attitude. I do acknowledge that he was a great cover guy on the rare occasion he played in a game.

We have greater needs on the O’line. I don’t put much credence into Jansen being determined to have a pro bowl caliber year. Are we kidding ourselves here? And, I’m also not sold on Heyer being a bona fide starter in this league. He’s not athletic enough to seal off the end in the running game. He just doesn’t move well enough. Aside from Samuels, the rest of the line is marginal.

Posted by: all_star_0013 | March 26, 2009 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and other thing, can we please stop with advocating the resigning of M Washington? He’s a great guy, but at this stage, he can’t rush through an open door.

“Friends Don’t Let Friends Resign Marcus Washington.”

Posted by: all_star_0013 | March 26, 2009 7:54 AM | Report abuse

"contract given to tackle Albert Haynesworth means Golston's starting opportunities could dwindle should Golston and tackle Cornelius Griffin remain healthy."

Somehow I don't think we have to worry about that...

Posted by: Samson151 | March 26, 2009 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and one other thing, can we please stop with advocating the resigning of M Washington? He’s a great guy, but at this stage, he can’t rush through an open door.

“Friends Don’t Let Friends Resign Marcus Washington.”

Posted by: all_star_0013 | March 26, 2009 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Friends Don’t Let Friends Resign Marcus Washington.”


Posted by: all_star_0013 | March 26, 2009 7:54 AM

lmao!

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | March 26, 2009 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Samson151:

Me either.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 26, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

We have greater needs on the O’line. I don’t put much credence into Jansen being determined to have a pro bowl caliber year. Are we kidding ourselves here? And, I’m also not sold on Heyer being a bona fide starter in this league. He’s not athletic enough to seal off the end in the running game. He just doesn’t move well enough. Aside from Samuels, the rest of the line is marginal.


Posted by: all_star_0013 | March 26, 2009 7:49 AM |

It's the rare OL dude who is light on his feet and can move like a cat. How is it that Jansen has become delusional?

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 26, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

all star,

Resigning Washington may not be the best idea but it's about all they can hope for now. The top OLB's are off the market and the skins wouldn't have the money to sign them even if they were still available. Blades is not a good solution on the out side. If he's going to succeed, it will be in the middle.

Switching Jackson or Wilson to LB sounds great but switching positions in the NFL isn't always that easy.

So it basically comes down to Washington or nobody. Good job, Front Office.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 26, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

"So it basically comes down to Washington or nobody. Good job, Front Office"


little to early for that kind of drama.......after all its, only what, 6 months before the seasons starts....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 26, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Marcus Washington can still play, and he can play at a high level. He was crucial to this team's run defense. His injuries and his previous salary combined are what made him expendable. Signing him back at the vet min, or close to it, is a very, very, very good idea.

A little stat for you to chew on:

In the games Marcus Washington missed, the team let up 20.8 points per game, and 102.2 rush yards per game.

In the games Marcus Washington played last year, the team let up 17.1 points per game, and 91.3 rush yards per game.

The discrepancy also became much larger late in the season when he was injured against Dallas, then missed NYG, BAL, SEA, and CIN -- all of whom crushed the Redskins run defense for a stretch.

Make no mistake about it, Marcus Washington can still play. He's in the exact same mold as Shawn Springs and Cornelius Griffin. Their only downfall is injuries. That becomes much less of a concern at a cheap contract.

Posted by: psps23 | March 26, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

peri

'...Drafting a corner might work if the rest were all OL...'


Drafting a corner would make sense if some interested trading partner wanted to move up from, say, a spot in the 20-32 range to get to the 13th pick and was willing to break off a 4/5th round pick to do so.

Jenkins/Smith would be better insurance in the event of a Rogers/Hall/Smoot injury and given the fact that the league is a passing league, having 4 solid cover guys is extremely important.

Too, I think the team will let Rogers test the waters the next off-season, and lose him, meaning a drafted corner this year becomes even more valuable.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 26, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

“Marcus Washington can still play, and he can play at a high level. He was crucial to this team's run defense. His injuries and his previous salary combined are what made him expendable. Signing him back at the vet min, or close to it, is a very, very, very good idea.
A little stat for you to chew on:
In the games Marcus Washington missed, the team let up 20.8 points per game, and 102.2 rush yards per game.
In the games Marcus Washington played last year, the team let up 17.1 points per game, and 91.3 rush yards per game.
The discrepancy also became much larger late in the season when he was injured against Dallas, then missed NYG, BAL, SEA, and CIN -- all of whom crushed the Redskins run defense for a stretch.
Make no mistake about it, Marcus Washington can still play. He's in the exact same mold as Shawn Springs and Cornelius Griffin. Their only downfall is injuries. That becomes much less of a concern at a cheap contract.”

Posted by: psps23

Despite your passion, the aforementioned correlation you’ve made is due to chance and could be made for many other players on the defense. Essentially, it means nothing.

If he could still “play at a high level” we wouldn’t be talking about him resigning at the vet minimum. Moreover, other teams would have already acquired him.

Any reasonable person understands that he is a player well past his prime as evidenced by his play during the last two years.

Posted by: all_star_0013 | March 26, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

little to early for that kind of drama.......after all its, only what, 6 months before the seasons starts....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 26, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Sorry. Preemptive strike.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 26, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

all_star

'...The recent spike in commentary regarding drafting a cornerback is nonsense...'


The corner depth chart:

Hall
Rogers
Smoot
Tyron
Westbrook

So you think if a team comes out in a 3/4 wide set, Smoot won't get abused by some team's speedy slot guy or taken deep by a big receiver?

And if one of them gets hurt--like CR did two years ago, you like the idea of the midget Tyron or practice squad player Westbrook getting on the field, right?

The team has depth at de/slb in Wilson-Buzbee-Jackson: so why are folks advocating drafting one?

The team has Heyer/Jansen at tackle: so whyare folks advocating taking a tackle at 13?

Vinny has already said he believes in some of the depth players on the team: and they will play and he will draet how he wants.

Drafting a corner nonsense: naw, it and anything else might happen.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 26, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe I'm with on the drafting of a CB. I think it will be on day 2 that the skins will take a CB most likely in round 3. There should be good players still available then, like Mickens, or Macho Man. However, IMO there are really no blue chip CB I'd say that have to be taken in round 1.

Posted by: TWISI | March 26, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

The top OLB's are off the market and the skins wouldn't have the money to sign them even if they were still available. Blades is not a good solution on the out side. If he's going to succeed, it will be in the middle.

.........................

So it basically comes down to Washington or nobody. Good job, Front Office.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 26, 2009 8:32 AM


Isn't Crowell still unsigned?

Also, if you weren't aware, we are NOT picking an Offensive Tackle at #13.

It will most likely be a OLB or DE. And we still have a 3rd rounder that we can pick one from there.

Vinny has options....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 26, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

It's the rare OL dude who is light on his feet and can move like a cat. How is it that Jansen has become delusional?

Posted by: AntonChigurh

Are we putting faith into J Jansen? Clearly he was the weakest link on the O’line last year…

Posted by: all_star_0013 | March 26, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

crowell went to TB.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 26, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Drafting a corner nonsense: naw, it and anything else might happen.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 26, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Drafting a corner IS nonsense with all the outstanding needs on the O-line AND given how much we've already invested on the defense.

You're concerned about what might happen in 3/4 WR sets??

What's going to happen to this team WHEN Chris Samuels gets injured? You don't seriously think that he's gonna make it through a whole season healthy?

Did you see what happened last year on the O-line when Heyer and Samuels got injured and we were relying on Jansen and Geisinger???

Yeah...I'll take my chances with Smoot or Westbrook in the slot if it means getting a starting-caliber tackle.

Posted by: p1funk | March 26, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for that post, Guitarman. I responded several times to the inaccurate report that Devin Thomas was not at Redskins Park. He was indeed at the Park as I saw him on Redskins Nation and in a clip of him visiting the fan. Also, saw a clip of him with Jason Campbell this week.

And just in case anyone is wondering....CP is still at the Park working out....as is Haynesworth.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 26, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

"Any reasonable person understands that he is a player well past his prime as evidenced by his play during the last two years."

When did I say anything about him still being in his prime? It's obvious he's not in his prime. That doesn't change the fact that he can still play at a very high level, which any reasonable football analyst would determine by studying his game.

The reason why he might be forced to sign for a vet minimum contract is because (1) outside linebacker in the 4-3 is one of the more replaceable positions on defense, and (2) you don't sign a 32 year-old OLB that's missed 10 games in the last 2 years for more than that. Derrick Brooks was a pro-bowler last year, and he's nowhere near injury-prone. Where's his contract right now?

As far as this:

"the aforementioned correlation you’ve made is due to chance and could be made for many other players on the defense."

Please, indulge me. Which "many other players" does this correlate to? There's a reason this guy was a starter for the 4th ranked defense last season, who's numbers were significantly better when he was in the lineup.

Posted by: psps23 | March 26, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

any thoughts on taking Alex Boone, T, from Ohio ST??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 26, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Mista,

Lets take a rational look at the CB position, name me the teams who have a better CB tandom then the Skins have. Don't just thorw out teams either give the players names.

Then name me the teams that have a better O-Line then we do, I guarantee you the O-Line list will be much longer.

You could do this with LB or DE as well and you list would be much longer.

We can play what if this guy gets hurt all day, but you can't go 5-6 deep at every position.

CB is not a need position for this team, if they want to let Rogers go into FA's next year then you address the CB situation then.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 26, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Alex Boone he's a player I thought would have done better in the offseason. However, he hasn't performed well against other top players and he's in counseling for alcohol related issues. I wouldn't draft this guy.

Posted by: TWISI | March 26, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

all_star
'...The recent spike in commentary regarding drafting a cornerback is nonsense...'

The corner depth chart:
Hall
Rogers
Smoot
Tyron
Westbrook
So you think if a team comes out in a 3/4 wide set, Smoot won't get abused by some team's speedy slot guy or taken deep by a big receiver?
And if one of them gets hurt--like CR did two years ago, you like the idea of the midget Tyron or practice squad player Westbrook getting on the field, right?
The team has depth at de/slb in Wilson-Buzbee-Jackson: so why are folks advocating drafting one?
The team has Heyer/Jansen at tackle: so whyare folks advocating taking a tackle at 13?
Vinny has already said he believes in some of the depth players on the team: and they will play and he will draet how he wants.
Drafting a corner nonsense: naw, it and anything else might happen.

Posted by: MistaMoe

The real question is, how much more talent can you afford in your secondary at the expense of ignoring glaring needs in other areas? Let’s look at it this way. Our secondary consists of: Landry, Horton, Rogers, Hall, Smoot. (We also have K Moore and Tyron – Westbrook is a joke, right?) This represents a pretty good cast, one which most other teams would covet.

Posted by: all_star_0013 | March 26, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Alex Boone, DS #17 OT, Ohio State

Name: Alex Boone
College: Ohio State Number: 75
Height: 6-7 Weight: 328
Position: OT Pos2:
Class/Draft Year: Sr/2009
40 Time: 5.16 40 Low: 5.06 40 High: 5.28
Projected Round: 5-6 Stock:
Rated number 17 out of 186 OT's 179 / 2560 TOTAL

Combine Results Pro Day Results
Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 6072
Weight: 328
40 Yrd Dash: 5.16
20 Yrd Dash: 3.00
10 Yrd Dash: 1.75 225 Lb. Bench Reps: 33
Vertical Jump: 27 1/2
Broad Jump: 08'07"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.69
3-Cone Drill: 7.83


I think he looks good for the 5th round pick.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 26, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

This team needs more Tween type back up role players on D. I would love to see players on this team who could fit the following roles.
Hybrid OLB/DB (guess its like a 46 safety)
Hybrid OLB/DE (we had this but got rid of it with Taylor but did not use him right)
Hybrid DE/DT (same as above but a different name)

Posted by: alex35332 | March 26, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

"any thoughts on taking Alex Boone, T, from Ohio ST??"

How about stay as far away as you possibly can. This dude is the biggest waste of space ever. Rhinehart seems to be a waste of space, but at least he's not an alcoholic.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 26, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Alex - Tweeners not good for 4-3 teams......

Bean - Why would we care about a T from OSU when the Skins aren't even thinking about drafting Ts in the 1st round?

Also, Orakpo had a terrible proday....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 26, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Agreed with TWISI. Skins will shoot for a corner on day 2. But certainly not at #13. We need first round OT talent!

We're putting 4? million? into Jansen so why not sprinkle in a little faith? Jansen wants to prove [his worth]. Let 'em. We all knew last year, that his injury generally a couple of years to fully recover from. I think mentally & physically he is better prepared for this season. I still think Heyer beats him out though.

Wilson/Buzbee/Jackson - Until Greg Blahe says that any of those guys can play SLB, then we have very little depth at SLB.

Rewind, Play - Week four, in Dallas, first quarter. Jason Witten burns M. Wash for a 21 yard touchdown. Seam route. Witten made Washington look bad. OLB isn't that easy to replace, we still don't have one. I think of Blades as a MLB. He's not tall enough to cover TEs.

Westbrook is great at scouting! I'd give him a shot. He could be the next Leigh Torrence.

Moe, David Price was sent to the minors, to keep his innings down. He probably get 100- 150 innings later in the year.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 26, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

4th, see Flounds post above. I'd take him in a NY minute in the 5th.

This just in, he's 21/22 and he drinks, I'm sure he's the only kid coming out of college who does.....

Those are some quality numbers he put up at the combine....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 26, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Check this out, dont know if anyone has seen this but scroll down to New England on the clock. I think we should take Brain Cushing with the #13 pick check out what he's got written on his arms.

RIP ST21.

Posted by: murphyz | March 26, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

4th,

A lot of 'reports' say Orakpo had a great proday. I am terrible at reading sarcasm though...

College kids drinking? No way!

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 26, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

"Jason Witten burns M. Wash for a 21 yard touchdown. Seam route. Witten made Washington look bad."

That's a misconception. This was the fault of the safety on that play. I can't remember if it was Doughty or Horton. One of them blew the coverage (I think it was Doughty, which led to Horton's full-time insertion into the starting lineup). Washington looked bad because he was the one left chasing, but it wasn't his fault.

Posted by: psps23 | March 26, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Check this out, dont know if anyone has seen this but scroll down to New England on the clock. I think we should take Brain Cushing with the #13 pick check out what he's got written on his arms.

RIP ST21.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nflnation?tag=on%20the%20clock

Posted by: murphyz | March 26, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I'm all in on Cushing. He was born to play fooseball.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 26, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Murph, you gotta link. I want to see.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 26, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

"This just in, he's 21/22 and he drinks, I'm sure he's the only kid coming out of college who does.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg"

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The guy admitted to drinking 30-40 beers a night, and had to go to rehab on two separate occasions because he believed he could "control it" after his first stint. I wouldn't touch the kid. Not even with the 7th round compensatory.

Posted by: psps23 | March 26, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Dissenting Opinions Emerge On Orakpo Workout
Posted by Mike Florio on March 25, 2009, 10:59 p.m.
Earlier in the day, NFL.com’s Gil Brandt offered up a glowing review of Brian Orakpo’s Pro Day workout.

But not everyone feels that way.

Per one league source, some scouts viewed the linebacker/defensive end’s workout as “brutal.”

According to the source, Orakpo is regarded by some as having “great athletic abilities but bad football skills.” It’s prompting some to question whether Orakpo merits even a first-round pick.

If this sounds familiar, it should. There’s a chance that Orakpo could be the latest in a line of “looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane” players, including past first-rounders like Vernon Gholston and Mike Mamula. (Then there’s Alabama’s Andre Smith, who as one reader pointed out after Smith’s recent shirtless sprint “plays like Tarzan, looks like Jane.”)

Even Gil Brandt, who is regarded by many as having a bias in favor of Texas football, acknowledges that Orakpo is “one of those guys that appears to play hard 90 percent of the time, but takes a vacation the other 10 percent.”

It’s the kind of attitude that could put a coach or a G.M. on vacation 100 percent of the time if they pick Orakpo, and if he doesn’t deliver.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 26, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Those are some quality numbers he put up at the combine....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 26, 2009 9:44 AM

Boone has been arrested for DUI and public intoxication. He will undoubtedly be in the NFL drug program on day 1. Why draft a headache when there will be other talented players available.

Posted by: TWISI | March 26, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

General Point to All Concerened Parties:

Yes: the Skins do have a great cornerback tandem.

That's not what's being disputed, btw: it's what's behind the tandem that frightens this blogga:

Tyron
Westbrook

I think the consternation I perceive is the result of months of folks thinking the team will draft based on need: guess what--if the team thought that way last year, Sam Baker--and not Fred Davis--would be a redskin now.

Vinny doesn't draft by need, meaning a lot of the Oher/Maybin/Curry/Smith/Orakpo/trade down-acquire picks fantasies that bloggas have are just that.

The point about the corner issue is that folks need to be aware that anything can happen with the crew running things ar Redskins Park.Don't get so locked in on players Mosley/Mayock/Kiper say the tea needs only to find out that the best player on Vinny's board might be a cornerback...or Percy Harvin.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 26, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

"The guy admitted to drinking 30-40 beers a night, and had to go to rehab on two separate occasions because he believed he could "control it" after his first stint. I wouldn't touch the kid. Not even with the 7th round compensatory."

Even that set aside, I think he would be a wasted pick. I watched him play specifically (early rivals mock draft had us taking him in the 1st), and the dude looked slower than a metro bus on 355. If the plan is to get more athletic linemen, he should not be touched. After all, Jansen is still on the team.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 26, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

"Jason Witten burns M. Wash for a 21 yard touchdown. Seam route. Witten made Washington look bad."

That's a misconception. This was the fault of the safety on that play. I can't remember if it was Doughty or Horton. One of them blew the coverage (I think it was Doughty, which led to Horton's full-time insertion into the starting lineup). Washington looked bad because he was the one left chasing, but it wasn't his fault.

Posted by: psps23

--------

I was wrong, it was Horton:

Horton, however, also made a major mistake in pass coverage that contributed to Romo and tight end Jason Witten teaming on a 21-yard touchdown pass in the first quarter.

"He's got a long way to go," Jackson said. "But the kid's tough, he's mentally tough, he doesn't back down from a challenge. We just put him out there and give him a chance to make plays."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/interchangeable-parts-horton-d.html

Posted by: psps23 | March 26, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

"Any reasonable person understands that he is a player well past his prime as evidenced by his play during the last two years."
When did I say anything about him still being in his prime? It's obvious he's not in his prime. That doesn't change the fact that he can still play at a very high level, which any reasonable football analyst would determine by studying his game.
The reason why he might be forced to sign for a vet minimum contract is because (1) outside linebacker in the 4-3 is one of the more replaceable positions on defense, and (2) you don't sign a 32 year-old OLB that's missed 10 games in the last 2 years for more than that. Derrick Brooks was a pro-bowler last year, and he's nowhere near injury-prone. Where's his contract right now?
As far as this:
"the aforementioned correlation you’ve made is due to chance and could be made for many other players on the defense."
Please, indulge me. Which "many other players" does this correlate to? There's a reason this guy was a starter for the 4th ranked defense last season, who's numbers were significantly better when he was in the lineup.

Posted by: psps23


You’re asserting that M Washington’s presence on the field held opponents from scoring. His 44 tackles? Not very convincing. His *0* sacks? Staggering impact there. His 0 Ints? Maybe I’m missing something.
Let’s contrast that with 2nd-year player R McIntosh: 87 tackles, 2 sacks, I INT.

You "indulge" me....

Posted by: all_star_0013 | March 26, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

My bad. I agree. A kid that can not control his drinking isn't worth it.

Orakpo = V Golston? Hopefully he'll be gone before 13.

Aaron Maybin/Brian Cushing/A.Smith?

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 26, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

4th, that's what I've been saying the whole time. The guy looks great with his shirt off in the weight room, but in a completely passing conference where he could pin his ears back and rush the QB with little else to worry about on virtually every play. For example:

Orakpo = 132 tackles (93 solo), 22 sacks, 38 tackles for loss, 62 pressures, six passes broken up, six forced fumbles and a fumble recovery during his career.

Terrell Suggs = in a tougher conference 163 tackles, 65.5 tackles for losses, 44 sacks, 14 forced fumbles, 3 fumble recoveries, 2 interceptions, and 9 passes deflected

Orakpo is not a premier ON THE FIELD talent and we certainly don't need another undersized tweener who is a workout warrior like Carter.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 26, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Even that set aside, I think he would be a wasted pick. I watched him play specifically (early rivals mock draft had us taking him in the 1st), and the dude looked slower than a metro bus on 355. If the plan is to get more athletic linemen, he should not be touched. After all, Jansen is still on the team.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 26, 2009 9:57 AM |

He's a projected 5-6th round guy that mock your looking at is BS.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 26, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

"He's a projected 5-6th round guy that mock your looking at is BS."

*EARLY Rivals mock...mid-season, which is why I specifically watched him in the first place.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 26, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Boone played LT in college didn't he?? I'm just saying that maybe he's gotten his wake up call, and moving him to RT would be the thing to do.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 26, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

"You’re asserting that M Washington’s presence on the field held opponents from scoring. His 44 tackles? Not very convincing. His *0* sacks? Staggering impact there. His 0 Ints? Maybe I’m missing something."

Yes, you are. Washington plays the gaps better than any OLB this team has had since...I can't remember when. None of the other OLBs that have come through here in recent history play it better (not Lavar, not Holdman, not Armstead, not Rocky, not *feel free to insert names here*). His presence playing behind Demetric Evans significantly deterred opponents from running to his side of the field, which is why you see that McIntosh had more tackles -- when Washington was in the game, teams ran at the Carter/Mac tandem. However, if you look at the games that Washington missed or was injured in (specifically Dallas, Baltimore, and Seattle), you would see how the distribution changes (go ahead, look up the play-by-plays). Evans struggled significantly, and especially in the 4th quarters, they ran DIRECTLY at Evans just as much as at Carter. It wasn't a coincidence.

No Washington isn't a gamebreaker. No he's not the pass-rusher he used to be. But he STILL plays within the system better than any OLB that's come through here in the last decade. He would be the perfect, cheap role-player that's needed right now.

Posted by: psps23 | March 26, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

matthewvickers

'...Aaron Maybin/Brian Cushing/A.Smith...'

Smith is the best choie.

But the team feels it's Heyer's turn.

So that won't happen.

The team is toying with the idea of re-signing M Washington, suggesting it realizes the issues it has at slb. In fact, even entertaining the notion of resigning Washington signals the team knows it has issues.

So maybe the list should be Curry/Maualga/Orakpo/Cushing/Matthews.

Out of that group, I'd take Matthews.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 26, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I am glad Monty is in the fold. I believe Golston will be back as well. The Redskins seem to have a wealth of defensive tackles and I think they should really look at rotating some of the tackles into the end position. I have always believed Montgomery can play end. I believe Lorenzo Alexander could also play end since he's a very versatile player. Haynesworth rotated into the end position when he played for the Titans. Their defensive line coach said he tried to rotate Haynesworth where he just got the most favorable match up and I think Blache would be wise to employ the same strategy. What I am saying is the Redskins are not in as desperate position at defensive end when you look at all of the defensive linemen and the flexibility they have there.

With three big guys on the line and Carter, it should tie up a load of blockers, freeing up the linebackers to really attack the quarterback. I could see the team trying to find a pass rushing linebacker in the draft. Stintim from UVA fits the bill. He might slide to the third round where Washington has the second pick, but they could also trade to get him in the second round, which seems a little more likely. If that doesn't pan out it might work out that Washington lets Chris Wilson serve as the blitzing linebacker in obvious pass rushing situations. Either one could be a liability in pass coverage; however, they both have a nose for the quarterback.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 26, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

General Point to All Concerened Parties:
Yes: the Skins do have a great cornerback tandem.
That's not what's being disputed, btw: it's what's behind the tandem that frightens this blogga:
Tyron
Westbrook
I think the consternation I perceive is the result of months of folks thinking the team will draft based on need: guess what--if the team thought that way last year, Sam Baker--and not Fred Davis--would be a redskin now.
Vinny doesn't draft by need, meaning a lot of the Oher/Maybin/Curry/Smith/Orakpo/trade down-acquire picks fantasies that bloggas have are just that.
The point about the corner issue is that folks need to be aware that anything can happen with the crew running things ar Redskins Park.Don't get so locked in on players Mosley/Mayock/Kiper say the tea needs only to find out that the best player on Vinny's board might be a cornerback...or Percy Harvin.

Posted by: MistaMoe

So the Skins should draft another corner so that they can be 2-deep at this position? Is this the reasoning? Does this make sense when we don’t have a legitimate starter at RT?

Posted by: all_star_0013 | March 26, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Orakpo having a lousy workout, just like Stafford having a great one, work out well for the Redskins.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 26, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Here is a lesson on WR development....

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/panthers/story/622885.html

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 26, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

From scout.com
13. Washington Redskins -- OT Michael Oher, Mississippi

The immediate need is at right tackle and Oher could be plugged in there immediately. Then, as age catches up with Chris Samuels, Oher could be shifted to the left side. He’s effective both run and pass blocking, a needed asset in Jim Zorn’s smashmouth version of the West Coast. - Rich Tandler, Warpath

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 26, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

"The team is toying with the idea of re-signing M Washington, suggesting it realizes the issues it has at slb."

Moe, the team also toyed around with signing Ray Willis and Elton Brown, despite the fact there are already two "starting" RTs on the roster. Vinny and Zorn clearly know there's an issue with RT.

It will all depend on Daniels/Washington decisions. If either don't end up signing, this team will be forced to address their positions in the draft, one way or another. I think it's pretty obvious the preference is to take a RT, but the lack of frontline players at the other 2 positions may force the team to go in another direction.

Posted by: psps23 | March 26, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Here is a lesson on WR development....

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/panthers/story/622885.html

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 26, 2009 10:24 AM |

4th,

There not allowed time to develop, they are busts because they didn't have great numbers there first year.

Rinehart is a bust to because he did not play last year either.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 26, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

"You’re asserting that M Washington’s presence on the field held opponents from scoring. His 44 tackles? Not very convincing. His *0* sacks? Staggering impact there. His 0 Ints? Maybe I’m missing something."
Yes, you are. Washington plays the gaps better than any OLB this team has had since...I can't remember when. None of the other OLBs that have come through here in recent history play it better (not Lavar, not Holdman, not Armstead, not Rocky, not *feel free to insert names here*). His presence playing behind Demetric Evans significantly deterred opponents from running to his side of the field, which is why you see that McIntosh had more tackles -- when Washington was in the game, teams ran at the Carter/Mac tandem. However, if you look at the games that Washington missed or was injured in (specifically Dallas, Baltimore, and Seattle), you would see how the distribution changes (go ahead, look up the play-by-plays). Evans struggled significantly, and especially in the 4th quarters, they ran DIRECTLY at Evans just as much as at Carter. It wasn't a coincidence.
No Washington isn't a gamebreaker. No he's not the pass-rusher he used to be. But he STILL plays within the system better than any OLB that's come through here in the last decade. He would be the perfect, cheap role-player that's needed right now.

Posted by: psps23

I hate to break up your M Washington fan party, but your premise is a lot of smoke and mirrors, and no substance. See my previous post which contains his stats. Your phantom correlations would have more application if you were reading palms.

“Friends Don’t Let Friends Resign Marcus Washington.”

Posted by: all_star_0013 | March 26, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Stintim is a borderline round 1 pick, there's no way he's there in the 3rd round.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 26, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

and our 3rd is the 16th pick in the round, not the 2nd.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 26, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

"Here is a lesson on WR development....

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/panthers/story/622885.html

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 26, 2009 10:24 AM

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Was that supposed to be a positive article? The "light came on for him in the second half of the season," which subsequently led to an increase from 6 receptions for 73 yards his rookie year to 10 receptions for 119 yards his second year.

Are you trying to incite venom being spewed on Thomas?

Posted by: psps23 | March 26, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Guitarman,

Do you shred?

Because your melting JLC's face off! Lol. Awesome post!

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 25, 2009 10:47 PM

...........................................

Naa, I"m a blues player; Luther Allison, Albert King, Buddy Guy, etc... that's where my heart and my love is.

Posted by: guitarman050 | March 26, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Heard Stafford had a bad one too.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 26, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I think Stintim will slide down in the second round - not because of his ability but because of the wealth of linebackers available and the limited number of teams with linebacker as a priority. If Washington trades its first pick for two second round picks, then they take an o-lineman (probably better quality at interior linemen in the second round) and a linebacker -- possibly Stintim. I can see Washington trading down if there is no quality offensive tackle available.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 26, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

KEEP YOUR ENEMIES CLOSE

Dallas Cowboys may seek QB with 'Wildcat' skills

09:39 PM CDT on Wednesday, March 25, 2009
By TODD ARCHER / The Dallas Morning News
tarcher@dallasnews.com

DANA POINT, Calif. – The Cowboys have drafted only one quarterback since 1991 (Quincy Carter, 2001), but owner and general manager Jerry Jones said that could change this year.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/cowboys/stories/032609dnspocowdate.387de63.html

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 26, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

4th, I heard stafford was something like 47 out of 50 on his throws.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 26, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

"I hate to break up your M Washington fan party, but your premise is a lot of smoke and mirrors, and no substance. See my previous post which contains his stats. Your phantom correlations would have more application if you were reading palms.

“Friends Don’t Let Friends Resign Marcus Washington.”

Posted by: all_star_0013"

Believe what you want. The "stats" also say that Marcus Washington's presence led to this defense being significantly more productive when compared to his absence.

I have no ulterior reason to pump-up Washington here. The guy can play. It's obvious to anybody that truly analyzes the defense. The only real concern with Washington is injuries. And for the vet min contract, that's a worthy risk to take.

Posted by: psps23 | March 26, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 26, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

“Friends Don’t Let Friends Resign Marcus Washington.”


Posted by: all_star_0013 | March 26, 2009 10:30 AM

Now that's funny

Posted by: GreatOne1 | March 26, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Stafford’s Status Continues To Be Debated
Posted by Mike Florio on March 24, 2009, 7:53 a.m.
Former Georgia quarterback Matthew Stafford continues to be the focal point of much discussion and debate regarding whether he’ll be an effective pro quarterback, and whether he’s worthy of being the first overall pick in the draft.

Mike Mayock of NFL Network has been one of the leading voices of dissent, arguing that Stafford’s performances have been too inconsistent given the quality of the players surrounding him.

Stafford’s status sparked last month a heated on-air between Todd McShay and Mel Kiper of ESPN, which was expertly lampooned last week in this video.

After Stafford’s recent Pro Day workout, Gil Brandt of NFL.com (who has acknowledged in the past a potential bias in favor of Stafford because Brandt lives across the street from the kid’s family) gushed about Stafford’s performance.

Tony Pauline of SI.com, however, took an opposing view.

“Sources have told SI.com that Stafford was trying to show off his arm strength [at his Pro Day] and in doing so was inaccurate on a number of deep outs, the money throw for quarterbacks in these types of workouts. And while he was generally accurate throughout the session, receivers were required to leave their feet several occasions to grab a few errant passes from the air. They were not huge issues, rather dissenting points from those who feel Stafford needed to do more before being anointed as the draft’s top selection.”

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 26, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I'm too blind for this format.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 26, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

psps23

'...It will all depend on Daniels/Washington decisions. If either don't end up signing, this team will be forced to address their positions in the draft, one way or another. I think it's pretty obvious the preference is to take a RT, but the lack of frontline players at the other 2 positions may force the team to go in another direction....'


You see things as I do.

The offseason moves hint that the 1st pick is contingent on Washington or Daniels re-signing.

Washington resigning means they want a de

Daniels resigning means they want a slb

If they get both, they play games with the pick and take the Best Palyer Availible--and that might not be a tackle and could be a corner or a speed guy.

And in the lingua franca of the blog:

beep-beep

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 26, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

4th, the best available OLB in free agency is Marcus Washington ... who I figure is probably pissed and is taking his whacking personally. After that, its Cato June, Freddy Keiaho, then Tyjuan Hagler ... or elevating Khary Campbell ... or trading someone for a second round pick (or an OLB currently under contract elsewhere).

Doom.

Posted by: dcsween | March 26, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

We wait until after the draft to sign Marcus. I don't think he signs before then. The Skins really have 3 choices in the draft. RT, OLB and DE. Its musical chairs. Use the #1 pick on an OLB and they sign Daniels at DE. Use it on a DE and they sign Marcus. Use it on an RT and they sign both -- assuming the price is right.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 26, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

IF linebacker is the way they want to go they should trade back cause unless Curry is by some miracle still there, 13 is too high for any of the other LBs, but projecting a borderline 1st rounder will fall to the 16th pick in the 3rd round is pretty unlikely. The problem with all this talk is we all forget Vinny is in charge. So logic will not factor into this draft at all, it is purely who he thinks the best player at the time they pick is. To me, it is completely realistic with Vinny in charge to think that he may take a Vontae Davis or a Malcolm Jenkins....he's that dumb.

I do have a hypothetical I was thinking about last night. With us working out Sanchez, if we like him and he's there at 13, would anyone like the idea of trading JC (who's in the final year of his deal) and taking Sanchez?

IMHO it depends on what you can get for Campbell...if you can get a 1st and a 3rd, if you can get a starting quality guard and a 2nd, or a 2nd 3rd plus a late round pick I say yes. If you can't get more than a mid round pick then I say no. If you can get multiple picks, or a starting lineman and a pick then it would be worth. While JC isn't the whole problem with the offense he's certainly proven he's not the solution either. He is a decent QB that could be replaced and if you can fill multiple wholes and replace him with Sanchez by trading him I say do it. If all you can get is a mid-rounder then I say no thanks.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 26, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

moe, beep-beep??

Where??? I'm not seeing it.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 26, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

thats a good interview with Campbell. I got a question for the board.

If you put the Denver Bronco's against the redskins schedule last season and vice versa, what would the records for each team look like? What would the stats for JC17 and Cutler look like.

My guess (with my burgundy colored glasses on) Skins would have 10 wins and JC would be closer to 20 TD's, and Denver would have not have 8 wins.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 26, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

thats a good interview with Campbell. I got a question for the board.

If you put the Denver Bronco's against the redskins schedule last season and vice versa, what would the records for each team look like? What would the stats for JC17 and Cutler look like.

My guess (with my burgundy colored glasses on) Skins would have 10 wins and JC would be closer to 20 TD's, and Denver would have not have 8 wins.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 26, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Guitarman,
Very cool. No BB King?

"Blues is easy to play, but hard to feel” ~ Jimmi

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 26, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

That seems like the strategy.

See if you can draft a Starting SLB in the draft (1st 3 rounds). If you come up with nothing, then increase MWash's offer by $500K call it a day.

Draft another LB to take KCampbell's place on Special Teams.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 26, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse


I do have a hypothetical I was thinking about last night. With us working out Sanchez, if we like him and he's there at 13, would anyone like the idea of trading JC (who's in the final year of his deal) and taking Sanchez? (excerpt)

Posted by: zjfr2

This idea makes VInny look like Einstein. Start completely over with an unproven rookie.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 26, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 26, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

zjrf2

Drafting Sanchez would be the dumbest thing in the world for this team to do.

But hey, they might do it.

That's what's so dumb.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 26, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I do have a hypothetical I was thinking about last night. With us working out Sanchez, if we like him and he's there at 13, would anyone like the idea of trading JC (who's in the final year of his deal) and taking Sanchez? (excerpt)
Posted by: zjfr2

This idea makes VInny look like Einstein. Start completely over with an unproven rookie.
Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 26, 2009 10:55 AM

Ditto. That's a terrible idea.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 26, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

zjack, trading Campbell to use the 13th pick on Sanchez doesn't work b/c (1) neither Brennan nor Sanchez can start on Day One, (2) The Todd will not last long enough to hold down the fort till number 1 gets satisfied because (3) the offensive line is a still about 400 years old in dog years. Any trade would have to be for a QB with West Coast offense hardware pre-installed, including internal body armor.

Garcia?

Posted by: dcsween | March 26, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I'm not saying I want to do it, I just don't understand why they'd be working out Sanchez if they weren't thinking about something. And again, to me it all depends on what you could get for JC, but to the guy who said start completely over with a totally unproven QB, sorry that argument doesn't fly with me cause all JC has proven in 3 years of playing time is that he can lead a 16 point a game offense and win games if CP is dominant. Forgive if I feel underwhelmed by JC's resume.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 26, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

If you put the Denver Bronco's against the redskins schedule last season and vice versa, what would the records for each team look like? What would the stats for JC17 and Cutler look like.

My guess (with my burgundy colored glasses on) Skins would have 10 wins and JC would be closer to 20 TD's, and Denver would have not have 8 wins.
Posted by: alex35332

we don't know how it would turn out, but I agree that CAMPBELL is the guy we need.

I don't understand how people can watch Campbell and be dissatisfied with HIS performance. I think they get angry when we lose, start to complain about players and just end at QB.

Campbell got clobbered and didn't miss a snap, and didn't turn the ball over. Those were the 2 biggest questions after '07.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 26, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand how people can watch Campbell and be dissatisfied with HIS performance. I think they get angry when we lose, start to complain about players and just end at QB.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 26, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Its pretty simple, never throwing deep, never taking chances, always throwing only to a guy standing wide open after his break, rarely leading the reserve helping create YAC, holding the ball too long, slow delivery and overall mediocre record and a 16 point a game offense.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 26, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

And in the lingua franca of the blog:

beep-beep

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 26, 2009 10:47 AM

I think its a singular community up here, so it would be the vernacular rather than the lingua franca.

Still, that's a beep beep foul right there.

Posted by: dcsween | March 26, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

That's ridiculous.
RE:http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/032609dnmetcopstop.3e9c080.html

To serve and protect.... more like, to harass and not give a sh|t.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 26, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

That's ridiculous.
RE:http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/032609dnmetcopstop.3e9c080.html

To serve and protect.... more like, to harass and not give a sh|t.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 26, 2009 11:07 AM |

If that was my Mom he would of had to shoot me to keep me from getting inside.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 26, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

"Its pretty simple, never throwing deep, never taking chances, always throwing only to a guy standing wide open after his break, rarely leading the reserve helping create YAC, holding the ball too long, slow delivery and overall mediocre record and a 16 point a game offense.
Posted by: zjfr2 | March 26, 2009 11:05 AM"

Throwing deep to a double covered Moss, ok? Taking chances? Clearly I am not on the same page with you, zj. The HC should take the blame for a lack of a scoring offense.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 26, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

My concern with Washington is he's clearly lost a step due to age and injury. When he was on the field, he often had trouble reaching the QB (on fire-zone blitzes) and covering the TE. He was one of the reasons why the Skins didn't have an effective pass rush.

Perhaps Washington is healthier this year... Still it would be surprising if the Skins do not draft a SLB. But even if they do resign him -- it doesn't mean he'll make the final roster -- he still has to earn the starting position in training camp by beating the rookie and Fincher.

Posted by: siris | March 26, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Also, if you weren't aware, we are NOT picking an Offensive Tackle at #13.

It will most likely be a OLB or DE. And we still have a 3rd rounder that we can pick one from there.

Vinny has options....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 26, 2009 9:18 AM

Is the "resign" option still on the table?

Posted by: 4-12 | March 26, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

If that was my Mom he would of had to shoot me to keep me from getting inside.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 26, 2009 11:09 AM

That's exactly what his wife did. She went right on in........

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 26, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Fincher is there to cover for the loss of Khary Campbell on special teams, not to make the starting lineup.

Posted by: dcsween | March 26, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Vinny has offered him a contract since they cut him.

Outstanding contract offers we know of:

MWash (Vet Min)
Daiels (Vet Min)
Gohlston (2nd Rounf RFA Tender)

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 26, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Fincher played some SLB last season. But you're right, sween, he's primarily a back up to Rocky and a replacement for K. Campbell, who is still unsigned? I think.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 26, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Fincher is all the Skins have at SLB -- right now -- unless you count Blades...

Posted by: siris | March 26, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

resign is an odd word ... as it can mean either quit or comeback with a new contract. Which leads to silly comments like:

Wish Vinny would resign instead of resign.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 26, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

actually its resign and re-sign

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 26, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Fincher was already on ST. So we would still need another to replace KCampbell...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 26, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

And of course, 4th, the slowest of all bloggers, gets the joke last.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 26, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I say sign M Washington at the min with no Bonus. If he plays well, great, if he gets hurt or really has lost a step, cut him without any cap hit. They also need to draft 1 or 2 LB's. Hopefully both can be accomplished...

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 26, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

we need to draft 3 OL, 2 LB and 2 DE, along with a punter, kicker, TE and QB in the 6th round. And 2 WRs.

Am I missing anything (I mean other than the necessary draft picks ...) ?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 26, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Not too worried about special teams. Horton, Moore, Doughty, Green, Tryon, Westbrook, Fincher, Blades, Wilson, Jackson, Buzbee, Thrash, Cartwright, Davis, Yoder, Thomas, Alexander, and any draft picks can take care of that.

Posted by: psps23 | March 26, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

dcsween

'...Still, that's a beep beep foul right there...'

Blog Penalty?

Do I have 2nd and 4 or 2nd and 15?

How much time is on the clock?

Moe--dressed Belichek style in a cut-sleeve redskin hoodie--is tossing out the challenge flag on this penalty.

(INSERT image of red flag flying out on the blog as frustrated bloggas chill and wait for the official determination that Moe has actually mis-used the phrase 'beep-beep'.)

"Damn," Moe mutters. "They got me!"


Posted by: MistaMoe | March 26, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

LEGIT BEEP BEEP....

thats how you do it moe....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 26, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

siris

'...Fincher is all the Skins have at SLB...'


Add Fincher's name to the list of young players who need to step up next year.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 26, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

4th, I got you beat ... what is the joke?

Posted by: dcsween | March 26, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

red

'...I'm too blind for this format....'

Both Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles had this complaint about NASCAR.

And in order to accomodate them, the people at Daytona had to put braille on the roadway.

(INSERT bad joke groan and shouts of insensitivity and racism to the image of Rodney "Moe" Dangerfield yanking his tie and complaining about the lack of respect he receives i this blog.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 26, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Its pretty simple, never throwing deep, never taking chances, always throwing only to a guy standing wide open after his break, rarely leading the reserve helping create YAC, holding the ball too long, slow delivery and overall mediocre record and a 16 point a game offense.

Posted by: zjfr2

Are you certain that the coach isn't teaching him some of these things? Do you really think you know more than Zorn?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 26, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Blades is the SLB last year, and right now, unless we bring in an elite youngster or vet (washington), it's Blades. Blades played well last seeze

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 26, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

we need to draft 3 OL, 2 LB and 2 DE, along with a punter, kicker, TE and QB in the 6th round. And 2 WRs.

Am I missing anything (I mean other than the necessary draft picks ...) ?

Posted by: zcezcest1

Yes, your missing that we don't need a punter, kicker, TE and QB in the 6th. And 2 WRs.

For better or worse, I choose the better, we don't need all that.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 26, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

My guess is that Griffin is not going to be able to hold up for 16 games given his injury history. He has had chronic shoulder problems and at 32 seems to be near the end of the line.

I imagine Montgomery getting a lot of snaps in 2009 and in 2010 either he or Golston will get a long-term deal and the other will be allowed to leave in FA.

Posted by: leopard09 | March 26, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

matthewvickers, Sorry was in meetings all morning. Here's the link: http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nflnation?tag=on%20the%20clock

He has ST on his right arm and 21 on his left arm. Pick this dude up at 13.

Check this out, dont know if anyone has seen this but scroll down to New England on the clock. I think we should take Brain Cushing with the #13 pick check out what he's got written on his arms.

RIP ST21.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nflnation?tag=on%20the%20clock

Posted by: murphyz | March 26, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"I have no ulterior reason to pump-up Washington here. The guy can play. It's obvious to anybody that truly analyzes the defense. The only real concern with Washington is injuries. And for the vet min contract, that's a worthy risk to take"

Agreed, psps. And they can use him even if they draft a LB at 13. In my view OLB is their shakiest position right now. The only guy they have with any adequate sideline-to-sideline speed right now is McIntosh, and he's an injury risk. Fincher was cut by NO, who also plays a 4-3 defense, and they're starving for OLB talent, which is an ominous indicator, although not a final one. He played inside at UConn, though, and doesn't have much speed.

Siris makes a good point also that if Washington can't come back he's easy to cut if you sign him to a no-bonus deal. This is the way I see the Wynn signing as well. But Washington knows how to play and knows the system. If he gets healthy that's gravy, but use him like Wynn - as a placeholder. There's no risk here.

I do think he'll get more than the vet minimum, though.

Posted by: sysadb420 | March 26, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

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