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More Dre Bly

As I've been writing since Sunday, don't rule out a Dre Bly trade. I continue to hear this cat is pushing to get to DC bigtime, and it seems like the trade talks are still on. The stuff I hear just won't go away and I am beginning to think it is going to happen.

Denver does not want to give Bly an extension, but the Redskins will. I heard today that these trade talks actually stretch back to before the combine and have taken on various forms (including the Springs for Bly proposed swap that the Broncos killed because the Skins wanted cap relief, as reported first on this lil blog Sunday).

So now the Broncos are bringing in corner David Macklin and are open to dealing Bly. And the Broncos have a hardcore interest in Washington's sixth overall pick, numerous league sources have told me, and the Redskins remain very open to dealing it. As I've reported previously, the Redskins are also deadset on trying to get that third-round pick back from Denver they lost in the Duckett deal.

And, trust me, these teams have been talking about swapping draft picks for weeks, I hear on very good authority, and have already had the parameters of several potential deals in place. So, I still think there is a very good chance we see Bly come to DC, along with Denver's first-round pick, and second- and/or third-round pick, plus maybe a conditional late round pick, in exchange for the 6th overall pick.

In that scenario, the Skins would make a big play for the 19-year-old defensive lineman from Louisville, Okoye, to address that need, and get young offensive and defensive linemen with the additional picks (I hear they love this kid by the way). Also, Springs would likely get traded for picks (don't rule out him landing in Detroit, Arizona or even Baltimore) and Bly gets his money in Washington.

And trust me, I am not going to put everything I know out there right now, but the Skins could make this happen cap-wise, with little problem.

By Jason La Canfora  |  March 6, 2007; 5:51 PM ET
 
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Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 6, 2007 6:01 PM | Report abuse

this sounds like a great move by the skins if it happens. They need extra picks and a good corner, and getting Bly would eliminate a need for a corner and we would also get extra picks. I think we could use one of those on Carriker or Okoye like you said and somebody else. I'm just afraid the Skins are gonna give too much up to get him like trading more on there side of the deal kind of like the trade we did with Denver in 2004 with CP and Champ.

Posted by: andrew | March 6, 2007 6:06 PM | Report abuse

So we'd take a $7.5 million cap hit now to trade Springs and still have room to sign Cap't Bly ? Now THAT sounds like Danny's kind of deal... sadly.

Posted by: Skinny | March 6, 2007 6:06 PM | Report abuse

wouldn't we have to eat Spring's cap figure in a trade?

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | March 6, 2007 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Wait a minute. Are you saying the Skins give the Broncos the 6th pick overall, and in return get Dre Bly, the 21st pick, a second and maybe a third? I don't care what the value chart says, that seems like a good trade for the Skins. Am I in bizarro world?

Posted by: Andrew | March 6, 2007 6:09 PM | Report abuse

"In that scenario, the Skins would make a big play for the 19-year old D Lineman from Louisville, Okoye" --- I like the sound of that. Not just because the guy is a super smart DL, who got into college at 16 or something, and him being so young gives him time to develop at the pro level and be great for a good long time. But he is already a monster, I watched him in 2 games and he just destroyed OL's.

Posted by: 35332 | March 6, 2007 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Andrew, it does seem like a good deal...which is why it's so weird I guess.

I still hate losing Springs to get Bly...it's the same philosophy that's always killed us.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | March 6, 2007 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Hey guys, maybe I didn't make it clear enough, but Springs's deal would be secondary. If they got Bly they would then be in position to keep dealing Shawn.
Trust me, even if they made the Bly deal and give him his extension, if they then cut Hall and Wynn, they could also be in a spot to absorb the cap hit from trading Springs, while picking up a few more assets in that trade.


Posted by: Jason La Canfora | March 6, 2007 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Well you know what? I think there is a theme between the Springs, Bly, Smoot, and even Leo Davis happenings.

When it comes down to it, you just want to be close to your people. Smoot came back to a team that still loves him. Bly wants to also come here because would be close to his family in Chesapeake, VA. Leonard Davis signed with Dallas because he wanted to be close to his parents. And I think Springs will feel good about being traded because he wants to be close to his father who just got a new kidney.

I feel for Springs, he deserve to be closer to home. Maybe Houston or Arizona will trade for him. And when it happens, I will wish him the best of luck.

Posted by: DCdangerous | March 6, 2007 6:21 PM | Report abuse

I almost want to stop hearing about this b/c it makes me giddy!!!!

I love this scenario!!!!!

Picks, younger healthier CB, get out of the pressure of making a sixth pick work out...

DO IT!

Posted by: Chris Larry | March 6, 2007 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Jason,

So it's the sixth pick overall for Dre Bly, the 21st pick, a second and maybe a third?

Could this actually happen? Has Vinny Cerrato been kidnapped?

Posted by: Hooper | March 6, 2007 6:21 PM | Report abuse

If we trade the #6 and get a 1st,2nd, and a third I would be doing backflips. We could then trade springs for an additional pick or picks. I like the options it would give us if we made a deal like that. For once we would get more out of the deal in a broncos trade.

Posted by: Scott | March 6, 2007 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Our 6th overall to Denver for Bly, their 21st overall, their 2nd and/or 3rd, and a conditional late round pick? Smack to the back of my own damn head(*) to make sure I'm not dreaming!

(*) copyright jm220, all rights reserved

Posted by: 4-12 | March 6, 2007 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Uh oh, better tell the League office not to send the Norv Turner Trophy anywhere just yet...

Posted by: P Diddy | March 6, 2007 6:26 PM | Report abuse

To hell with draft picks and young guys. Lets get Jeff George, Deion Sanders, Desmond Howard and Bruce Smith out here.

"We're gettin' the band back together"

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 6, 2007 6:32 PM | Report abuse

To hell with draft picks and young guys. Lets get Jeff George, Deion Sanders, Desmond Howard and Bruce Smith out here.

"We're gettin' the band back together"

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 6, 2007 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Do the Broncos feel bad for fleecing us 3 years in a row?

This just sounds took good to be true. The pessimistic skins fan is coming out in me. I just can't see this happening.

jm220, I'm gonna need your hammer.

Posted by: etrod | March 6, 2007 6:33 PM | Report abuse

There can be only one reason for this...Sean Taylor is our new GM.

Posted by: etrod | March 6, 2007 6:35 PM | Report abuse

The reports out of Denver (I live about 45 minutes away) are not good on Bly. They all know about his wanting to get out of there for Washington.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 6, 2007 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Denver post is reporting something similar... I think they've been reading your blog.
Keep up the good work... your blog is the best way to keep up on skins news out her in CO

Posted by: DenverSkins | March 6, 2007 6:38 PM | Report abuse

JLaC - STOP saying we love the young DE. If another team picks this up, they might trade ahead of us to pick the guy up. Non reporting is sometimes a good thing............

Posted by: 4th | March 6, 2007 6:38 PM | Report abuse

I am sooo sick of hearing about this....guess I will stop reading the blog until it goes away. Maybe I am the only person opposed to it. In case anyone has forgotten, Denver always comes out on top and we just need to stay away from them....they have our number.

And I don't believe Springs gives a rat's as* about being closer to Dallas. Denver is not that much closer and airplanes fly all the time from DC to Dallas....short flight.

Posted by: Lisa | March 6, 2007 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Don't believe the Bly-pe.

Posted by: Mile High Insider | March 6, 2007 6:38 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Lisa, I think it has to do more with Papa Dollar more than Papa Springs.

But such is life...can't blame him

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 6, 2007 6:40 PM | Report abuse

As I understand it Denver also has Teyo Johnson TE. According to EA Sports Madden NFL that dude has some speed but with some work could be a good no 2 too Mr. Cool...ey. Can we get him thrown into a megga crazy super fun traid and take care of that TE thing?

And yes I am using a Madden video game to pick a player, but its no better or worse then using VC.

Posted by: 35332 | March 6, 2007 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Right... make a big play for Okoye, who's largely projected to go in the top 10, at number 21.

Posted by: Chris | March 6, 2007 6:47 PM | Report abuse

OK I just getting in after a monster leg workout. Read this post and now picking myself up off the floor. Hell I may have to hit my own self in the back of the head with the hammer. I say pull the trigger on this one!

This may kill all hope of getting together with Lisa. (lol) Pull the trigger on Springs as well if we can get two more picks for him. Let's go young and have the team grow together. Hell Campbell is young and so is Moss/Cooley/Portis/Rocky Mac. Damn! I know this killed any chances of going out with Lisa.

F CL. Now I want to fight. LMAO

Posted by: jm220 | March 6, 2007 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Sounds great but if the Skins really do covet the kid from Louisville, they are going to have to move up from 21 to get him. He will be gone by the 15th pick.

I love the deal if we can get the 21st, a 2nd rounder and Bly for the 6th pick. Then trade Springs for a 3rd. Sounds like a plan to me.

Posted by: Rob | March 6, 2007 6:51 PM | Report abuse

We better not get hosed on a deal swapping 1st rounders, here's what the trade should look like from a value chart stand point:

Our #6 is worth 1600 pts and Spring's is worth the equivalent of Dre Bly at a minimum.
Bly is worth what Detroit was asking for him which was a 3rd rd pick(mid 3rd pick is worth 190 pts)
Denver's 21st(1) pick is worth 800 pts
Denver's 56th(2) is worth 340 pts
Denver's 70th(3) acquired from us is worth 240 pts
Denver's 87th(3) is worth 155 pts
Denver's 162nd(6) is worth 27.6 pts

So if Springs is not involved in the trade then Denver in order to move up using Bly(190 pts)would also have to give us picks 21(800 pts), 56(340 pts), 70(240pts), and their 162nd(27.6 pts), that comes out to 1597.6 which is close to 1600.

If Springs is involved then they must give us all of the above picks(21,56,70 and 162) and Bly along with pick #87.

As you can see there is alot of opportunity for Denver to rape us again if we end up overvaluing Bly or the need to get additional picks. What is worrying me is that everything I'm hearing had Denver only giving us Bly and one additional pick(#56 or #70) to move up to #6 which would once again mean we got raped big time.

Posted by: RED | March 6, 2007 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Holy La Canfora Batman! another awesome (in true sense of the word) day on the RI.

Tidbits floating through my mind . . .

Diddy - I'm buying you and all the core Insiders a beer in Tahiti because that does cover a LOT of beer . . .

I know I shouldn't but I can't help it back to Monk HOF thread and whoever ding dong MeShawn poster was it's B-I-A-S-E-D as in "I'm biased towards Monk." don't know why it got me but it did . . .

J-La some of the best bad spelling ever on several threads thank you sir Viola!. . . .

For some reason I think Brady Quinn might be the next Rick Meier. Who was last all Pro QB from ND? MV Dame where are ya? . . . .

I'll take the Bly + 1st + 2nd + 3rd trade but only with that combo. Otherwise I'm with OldSchool - shut it down till draft day and make'em pony up. . . .

Babe I'm leaving, I must be on my way, the time is drawing near . . . .


Posted by: sfskin | March 6, 2007 6:55 PM | Report abuse

I've had a horrible day and then come home to read about more Denver trade crap!

Denver has always got the best of us - and it will not change. So go ahead Skins, trade with them and look stupid again. We need to find a new O Lineman - not another CB.

Our trades with the Jets work out...our trades with Denver DO NOT.

Posted by: Lisa | March 6, 2007 6:55 PM | Report abuse

RED - That sound you just heard is Redskins nation's head exploding.

Thank you for bringing some level headed facts back in to the conversation.

Now I'm with you no trade folks. I feel better now.

Posted by: etrod | March 6, 2007 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Yeah...what is not to like about this story.

We add picks, get younger and have more depth. The only problem is it makes too much sense, and sadly, someone will probably f it up.

Posted by: k Squared | March 6, 2007 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I am new.. But.. Wasn't our BIGGEST need this off season a pass rushing DE??? In these senarios no one, not even JLA has talked about where we get one.. If we trade with Denver and take the DT at 21 we will not get an impact player at DE unless we hit the lottery.. I don't care if we have springs, bly and smoot, dion at his prime. If we have no pass rush it won't matter.. I say keep springs, take Jamal Anderson with the 6th pick....

Posted by: NEWBIE GREG | March 6, 2007 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention that Amobi Okoye WILL NOT be there at #21....no way!

Posted by: Lisa | March 6, 2007 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Watching "Return of the Jedi" on HBO-HD. Eagerly awaiting the appearance of the Stupid Space Bears.

In any event, all this trade talk has me thinking about Luke Skywalker, who famously said to Denver, "This is your last chance, free us, or die."

BTW, my favorite Luke Skywalker quote was after he visited Seattle and went back to Tatooine. When Old Ben asked him about his trip, Luke said, "If there is a bright spot in the universe, that's the place farthest from."

I could never make this stuff up.

Posted by: P Diddy | March 6, 2007 7:06 PM | Report abuse

sorry that you had a bad day Lisa.

Posted by: jm220 | March 6, 2007 7:06 PM | Report abuse

We do need pressure off the edge, no doubt.

By grossly overspending on other positions, in previous years, there are now multiple holes to fill.

The team lacks depth, on both sides of the line. They can only fill so many holes, but if we come out of this younger, with more depth on both lines, and DE is our only remaining hole, doesn't seem to bad of an offseason.

I could live with Carter, Daniels, and whomever they can get off the annual June cutdown.

Posted by: k Squared | March 6, 2007 7:08 PM | Report abuse

They figure Okoye goes 15-18, but if they package the Springs picks they can probably move into that range.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | March 6, 2007 7:09 PM | Report abuse

A quality starting CB plus denver's 1st , 2nd and possibly 3rd for the 6th pick? Do it. Sounds like a lot for Denver to be giving up though. They must've fallen in love with one of those DE's We'll see. I get nervous when they talk to Denver though. The skins always seem to overpay. And if the skins really like Okoye than someone at Redskin park needs to shut the h*ll up. Probably the same joker who leaked the story on their interest in JC 2 yrs ago.

Posted by: skinswest | March 6, 2007 7:12 PM | Report abuse

What about FS also.. @ biggest needs going into the offseason.. DE FS.. Niether one filled, or thought about.. Yes we maybe a little younger but I don't like that we haven't addressed our biggest needs.. I like the non over speding we have done so far but I would have liked to have seen one of those positions filled before the draft and I don't see anyone out there in FA.

Posted by: Greg | March 6, 2007 7:15 PM | Report abuse

This will be one trade where Denver doesnt nail us in the rear (although I am not sold that the Skins didnt get the better of the Portis-Bailey deal, and I think it will be confirmed this coming season). Shawn "Mr. Glass" Springs cannot and will not make it through a full season, and I aint about to sit around and watch Ade Jimoh enter the game on a crucial drive in the 4th quarter. Bly is younger, hungrier, and gives us a hell of a formidable trio at CB. Yes, we do need pass rushers, and it will be addressed with the first pick, whether its Okoye or some other first round stud. Pick up a guard with the second or third rounder, but still make the move for a veteran to start in that position. I like this friggin move. I really do. I am dustin off my cape and utility belt and I'm gearing up for a hell of a draft day! See you at FEDEX!

Posted by: SuperSkin | March 6, 2007 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Latest Astronut revelation: emails in space! I can't even get my ISP to get email straight, and here they are sending emails to Jupiter and stuff.

I bet the Astronut flipped out when her Exchange Server went down.

Posted by: P Diddy | March 6, 2007 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Based on RED's post. It looks like -to me - that Denver will do it since the Skins seem to want Bly but I don't see why we should 'cause we'll fall a few hundred points short at least.

Eh, I think we should keep the #6 and just get Anderson (hopefully) or G Adams.

Posted by: charlie | March 6, 2007 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm--let us evaluate:

2004 We give up Champ Bailey (who somehow was not D player of the year) and our 2nd rounder (who turned out to be Tatum Bell who they just traded for Bly who would come back to us now to replace Bailey) for (drum roll/high hat) Clinton Portis

2005 We give them our 2005 3rd rounder and our 2006 1st and 4th rounder for (drum roll/high hat) Jason Campbell. They get Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall at the end of the day.

2006 We give them our 3rd rounder in '07 and our 4th rounder in '08 for (drum roll/high hat) TJ Duckett

Shanahan has a reminder on his outlook calendar every year at this time to call the Skins. You guys are all right though....I'm sure we'll get the better of the deal THIS time.

Posted by: Cold Harsh Reality | March 6, 2007 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Jason, that's a pretty one you're putting out there. The masses are giddy. Come strong on the next blog buddy, we're counting on you.

Don't worry about Denver though. What do they have to show for all the trades with Washington? A single playoff win, and a choke at home in the AFC title game? Yeah, those guys are screwing us over. hahahahaha.

Posted by: AEE | March 6, 2007 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Do we have any idea of who Denver would take with the Redskins #6 pick?

Posted by: KK | March 6, 2007 7:31 PM | Report abuse

In some ways it seems like Denver is doing the off season cha cha cha we usually do in order to create the SB team they keep thinking they're around the corner from so maybe the shoe is on the other foot. . . .mmm Kool Aid love me the Kool Aid.

Posted by: sfskin | March 6, 2007 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Do we have any idea of who Denver would take with the Redskins #6 pick?

Posted by: KK | March 6, 2007 07:31 PM

My guess would be a DE. They've been complaining about a lack of pass rush out here forever. Before they signed Henry, Peterson is also a guy they're rumored to love.

Posted by: skinswest | March 6, 2007 7:34 PM | Report abuse

As much as I like the sounds of this, that is an awful lot of things that need to happen to get the end result of Okoye. We need to get multiple picks from Denver, then find a trade partner for Springs and then find another trade partner to move up in the draft since he won't be there at #21. The most recent mock drafts I have seen have him going before 15, some as high as 8th. That being said I still thing they should swing this if they can and even if they can not end up with Okoye. I think Springs is a better CB than Bly but Bly is younger, less injury prone and would be under contract for multiple seasons. Springs at best is year to year since he won't restructure.

Posted by: cdubb | March 6, 2007 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cdubb | March 6, 2007 7:56 PM | Report abuse

First of all, FS and DE were not are biggest needs this offseason. LB was clearly the biggest need with Holdman starting last year, he wouldn't be a #2 guy on most teams and Lemar is not a middle linebacker. CB I would say was the second need with no nickle corner on the roster last year that should even have a job in the league. Anyway, I don't know much about Okoye, what are his stats like? How does he compair to Carriker? I think Carriker is a beast and he deffinately isn't undersized like every other DE seems to be in this draft. Maybe I'm biased being that I'm from Nebraska but I think Carriker is a beast and would be a great change of pace to the speed rush of Andre Carter.

Posted by: gethanr13 | March 6, 2007 7:57 PM | Report abuse

gethanr13.. How can you say that DE and FS were, are not the biggest need?? Are you a Redskin fan? I agree that an upgrade at MLB is nice and I love the move but DE, and FS are going to make or break us again this year.. before last year our D was top 5 for 2 straight years with Lemar at MLB. The REASON our D sucked this year is 1.. Archelta in place or Ryan Clark and a LACK of pass rush.... If we had them, MLB would be as much of a need...

Posted by: Greg | March 6, 2007 8:10 PM | Report abuse

All these draft scenarios and I feel very stronly that everybody will be wrong because Washington always seems to come up with something that nobody is expecting. But since we are all guessing, I'll throw in my two cents: We give Denver our first round pick. We get Bly, their first rounder (#21), their second rounder (#56) and the third rounder that they took from us in the Duckett deal (#70). I would then trade Springs after June 1 (for cap reasons)for a second round pick and a conditional pick in 2008. At 21, we are not going to get Okoye, so we should go after the best DE available, whether it be Carriker, Spencer, or whoever. In the second round, I would go after a WR because Llody is too slow to get separation and we need a #2 receiver to help Moss. Maybe Anthony Gonzales or Craig Davis. Lloyd can take Patten's place as the #5 receiver. With the third rounder, I would take an OG/OT hybrid Marshall Yanda or James Marten

Posted by: midniterc | March 6, 2007 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Greg, I am diffinately a Redskins fan. Just a long distance one. Ok, Lemar has been MLB past 2 years and only one of those was good, but he had a Washington and Arrington on either side of him, but wasn't Pierce the MLB the year before. I like Lemar but I think he isn't a MLB, better on the outside. And I think he will still see a lot of playing time on the outside. The play we got out of the LBs overall wasn't very good last year. I will give you the FS, but with good moves at CB and I think Prioleau (is that spelled right?) will be an upgrade if he is healthy. That would probably make the secondary better. I think an improvement at DE would be nice but I would still be happy with Carter and Daniels. I concede Daniels is getting older, but I think he may have had more troubles because he changed from right to left and Carter was adjusting back to being a DE from an OLB. Really it is hard to argue that any possition on defense last year isn't a need this year.

Posted by: gethanr13 | March 6, 2007 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it possible that the 'Skins are blowing smoke about how much they want Okoye? Could their real target be someone else?

Posted by: KK | March 6, 2007 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Why do I get the sense there is this big *but* looming out there with all this trade talk?

Oh maybe its because Denver is hovering over us like an eagle waiting to pounce on the draft pick.

Posted by: heath1030 | March 6, 2007 8:26 PM | Report abuse

before last year our D was top 5 for 2 straight years with Lemar at MLB.

Greg maybe you are not a Skins fan. Got back and check your facts my friend. Before last year they were not in the top 5 two years in a row. Each year the D has slip.

Posted by: jm220 | March 6, 2007 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if they get Okoye even if as you mentioned he goes 15-18 -- most mock drafts have him going in the top 15, some top 10. Hopefully they have a plan B player in that case.

Denver seems to have our number in trades. If they know we want to deal they will hold out into we give in. So my guess is it becomes a 3rd rounder not a 2nd rounder. Denver seems to be a more patient poker player than we are -- hard for me to imagine that the Redskins will get more than their minimum offer.

Posted by: mike | March 6, 2007 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Oh how could I forget? Thanks to double G. Smack to the back of his damn head.

Posted by: jm220 | March 6, 2007 8:29 PM | Report abuse

TOPIC CHANGE... How about WHO CARES>>> LET JUST GET COWHER IN HERE NEXT YEAR!!!!! OBviously Gibbs isn't staying more than 2 more years at most.. I am very very skeptical with williams or saunders. Let's get Cowher before Dallas does..

Posted by: Greg | March 6, 2007 8:30 PM | Report abuse

They should do the trade already cause the redskins are not going to loose in this trade like they did in T.J duckett.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 6, 2007 8:35 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't mind bringing in Jerry Glanville as head coach. Press Conferences would be the highlight of the week. Doesn't matter who your bring in as coach as long as Dan Snyder and Cerrato are still around.

Posted by: Rodney | March 6, 2007 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Relax Guys/gals

First some stats, Foxsports has Okoye going 11th in their mock draft. They have Denver drafting a DE out of Nebraska, Adam Carriker. Scout's Inc. has Okoye 10th in their top 32. they have Carriker ranked 14th. Mel Kiper has Okoye ranked 8th and falling. he has Carriker 13th and rising. One more guy to watch for is Jarvis Moss out of Florida. He's 26th in the Scout top 32. Played very well in the Championship game. They're plenty of quality DE's available this year. Moss and Carriker will be there for at 21 if we do the deal.

Posted by: skinzgm | March 6, 2007 8:45 PM | Report abuse

This worries me. Al Saunders is licking his chops.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2790000

Posted by: 4-12 | March 6, 2007 8:51 PM | Report abuse

4-12-If Green leaves KC look for him to end up in Detroit.

Posted by: skinzgm | March 6, 2007 8:54 PM | Report abuse

I dont see much point in getting younger with our CBs. They will never "grow together". The way the Skins manage the cap, Smoot, Bly, Rogers, etc. will be cap casualties within 2-3 years of signing. At best.

I just can't get Banks' comment about Bly out of my head. Seems like bad news.

Anyone have any guess what $$ Danny might have offered him that has got Bly ready to run screaming out of Denver?

Posted by: Paps in Manila | March 6, 2007 9:03 PM | Report abuse

My trade advice for the skins is to shut the f#$k up and wait for denver or whoever to come to them. the shouting from the roof top they want to move down is going to end badly. Hold out make the other team come to you.

The argument on D is we need everything we are almost completly devoid of talent. Our best player plays totally out control and needs to play smarter. Most of the rest of the key defenders are either old or old and hurt. Our young players need to up thier game, I think they can

I beleive my first RI post went something like this "Manley Mann Butz and Grant." thats the model two passrushing DE'e two run stuffing DT's. Stay where you are at #6 take the best pass rushing DE. unless you get everthing you ask for in a trade down, in other words don't move down just because you want more picks get equal value nothing less.

Posted by: Old School | March 6, 2007 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Okoye won't be there at #21, and he's a DT, not a DE like some people think he is. Depth is always good on the D line (especially if Griffin gets hurt again) but the 'Skins need a DE much more than a DT.

The DE out of Arkansas, Jamaal Anderson, is a beast and would be a great complement to Carter's speed on the other side, in my opinion. He might be there at #6. Otherwise, PFT has another DE out of Nebraska, Carriker, going #21 to Denver. Maybe the 'Skins like Carriker as an option.

Another scenario is to wait until draft day and have Denver or another potential trade partner draft for them to see if things shake out the way they predict. Might be too big of a risk, depending on who the other side wants the 'Skins to pick.

Posted by: Will | March 6, 2007 9:21 PM | Report abuse

The fact is that a GOOD trade down could land 2 or 3 STARTERS if they do it right, this is a DEEP draft for defense, go get 'em Joe!

Posted by: Craig | March 6, 2007 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Denver wants Betts for Bly or so says NFL Network

Posted by: Long John | March 6, 2007 9:57 PM | Report abuse

All this focus (rightly) on our defense ... let's not forget our offense still is not known for putting enough points on the board and our receiving corps doesnt make anyone shake in their boots.

We just CANT give up Betts to Denver.

Posted by: Paps in Manila | March 6, 2007 10:12 PM | Report abuse

If this is all about trading down to draft Okoye, then I think it's premature to even talk about it. Okoye's stock has been rising since the senior bowl and the things the Redskins like about him aren't going unnoticed by any team. No trade down scenarios involving Okoye make sense until draft day.

On the other hand, if it is simply about picking up draft picks for flexibility and Okoye is just one possibility, then it makes a little more sense.

JLC - something doesn't jive with the Bly situation. The Redskins behavior during the free agency period indicates, to me anyway, a shift in philosophy. I feel like if they wanted to pursue someone like Clements in the same way they've pursued guys in the past then they would find a way to make it work financially - it is what they've always done.

They let Davis go to Dallas with little protest, and today they let Petitgout go to Tampa in the same way. I just don't see this attitude translating into a trade for Bly followed by a lavish new contract, it doesn't make sense to me.

Posted by: Honey Bunches of Ronald | March 6, 2007 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Just a quick reminder to those who think we MUST draft a stud defensive end. There's more than one way to bring pressure. What made Double G's defense work so well the first couple of year was blitzing from different positions.

Bringing guys from everywhere allowed us to confuse offensive lines and put pressure on the QB to release early. In order to blitz that way, we need quality CBs who can cover.

This last year, between Double Move and whomever was subbing for Springs, we couldn't cover anyone. Conversely, we played less man and more zone and barely blitzed. This made our D predictable, put more pressure on the front four to generate rush (they didn't) and exposed a weak group of linebackers (not including Washington) by giving QBs much too much time in the pocket. The results - record low turnovers and anemic sack totals.

The point is that amassing a strong group of cover corners allows us to pressure the QB in multiple ways, so a stud DE is not the only way to go in the draft.

Posted by: Skinny | March 6, 2007 10:27 PM | Report abuse

HoB: I agree to some extent, they have shown signs of a shift in phisosophy, for the better I would add, but this particular trade could be a continuance of the same shift. They just need to be smart about it, and get the value for that no. 6, trading down needs to be a real possibility no matter what happens with this particular story.

Posted by: Craig | March 6, 2007 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Although having more than one first day pick sounds great, I don't want them trade down more than 3-4 spots. Jamaal Anderson looks like he can be a really special player. Only two years playing DE and he led the SEC in sacks. Although Okoye is my second favorite in the draft, I dont want to risk being at 21 and having to trade up again to land the guy.

Posted by: Mode66 | March 6, 2007 10:39 PM | Report abuse

The skins seem to have turned over a new leaf. They signed Fletcher and Smoot, two guys they know and really like. They let Davis and Pettigout walk. They're being really careful with the cap - perhaps waiting til June to deal Springs. And all of a sudden they seem to regret not having draft picks. This makes me optimistic the Skins will be more careful in a trade with Denver, though only the trade where they gave up a 3rd for Duckett do I think was clearly a bad trade.

Posted by: skinny | March 6, 2007 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Denver wants Betts for Bly or so says NFL Network

Posted by: Long John | March 6, 2007 09:57 PM

Reply: Now that Denver has signed Henry I doubt they still are interested in Betts. Michael Bell and Travis are their two RBs.

Posted by: skinny | March 6, 2007 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Strange to bring this up, but I guess there are 2 Skinnys posting - cause I'm one and I didn't post the last 2 comments.

Posted by: Skinny | March 6, 2007 10:59 PM | Report abuse

I still don't understand why the Skins do not like to pay their own guys.

They will go out and pay Bly what Springs has in his contract or wants.

Springs had injury problems last year but when he is out their he is top teir. We got Carlos who is great (could use some hands but is a great shut down corner) Then getting smoot back and springs we are good back there.

We need a pass rusher, when you have a good front four the rest of the defense doesn't have to be the best in the league.

Im beyond upset right now. Im a die hard skins fan, but if we give up Springs/our first round pick i am close to done with this organization.

Posted by: Jacob | March 6, 2007 11:18 PM | Report abuse

How good can he be at 19 within the next 2-3 years?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 6, 2007 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Did someone just say Rogers is a shut down corner? Wow.

If I'm the Skins, I consider trading for Bly in the deal Jason outlined, keeping Springs, and teaming them both up at corner. Use Rogers as a nickle. Just because they trade for Bly doesn't mean they should automatically ship off Springs. Hell, use him at safety if they have to, but don't get rid of him just because.

Posted by: Colin | March 7, 2007 12:37 AM | Report abuse

If we were to aquire Bly, we'd have to trade Springs. I'd be okay with either Smoot or Rogers as our second CB, with the other as our nickel. I'm hoping that the front office is finally beginning to realize the importance of draft picks and looking to stockpile as many as they can before draft day!!

Posted by: Mike | March 7, 2007 12:46 AM | Report abuse

The importance of draft picks and keeping them are huge, but if you do not know who to pick then they are worthless. They need to stay at 6, at 6 they will get great football player. At 21 its a crap shoot for you to think that one certain player will be there. Demeco Ryans was there target a LB last year and we ended up with Rocky instead, thats 156 tackles of production vs 20.

Stay at 6, if they want Bly trade Springs straight up for him, nothing else! I fear Denver is about to crap on us once again! JUST SAY NO TO BLY!!!!

Posted by: Rob | March 7, 2007 1:07 AM | Report abuse

What is the use of drafting defensive players anyway. Greg Williams will not let them play! We were out of playoff contention and Rocky still never saw the field because of Holdman!

Posted by: Rob | March 7, 2007 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Demeco Ryans would have had 20 tackles if he had played for the Redskins. Grilliams doesn't like to play rookies. If the Skins draft a bunch of new defensive talent, then Grilliams job is to find a way to get them on the field.

Gibbs needs to sign jm220 to a special consulting contract for 2007 so that Grilliams gets enough smacks to the back of the head.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | March 7, 2007 3:50 AM | Report abuse

Trading down for picks is fine, and there are lots of above-average potential DEs available this year if the Skins move down.

But please do not think that Jarvis Moss is the answer at DE. He is a tall skinny guy who will disappear on the field playing opposite Carter. At best, he is a second-rounder.

The only reason that Moss had good numbers at Florida and in the championship game is because of the DE at the other end of the line - Derrick Harvey.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | March 7, 2007 3:55 AM | Report abuse

Nice Styx reference there, sfskin.

LMAO!

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | March 7, 2007 3:56 AM | Report abuse

And to second what Old School said about the defensive line: nothing makes a defense better than a great defensive line. No matter what the Skins do this year in the draft (assuming they choose DE or DT), they will be doing the same thing in next year's draft. If it's a DE this year, it will be a DT next year, or vice versa.

This past season at Florida, Harvey and Moss were the collegiate reincarnation of Manley and Mann. We already have a Mann-type (Carter). Now we need a Manley-type.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | March 7, 2007 4:04 AM | Report abuse

P Diddy,

Tully Banta-Cain just signed with the 49ers. Has there ever been an NFL player who had a better Star Wars-type name?

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | March 7, 2007 4:08 AM | Report abuse

Great idea with trading for more picks. In the long run if this Okoye kid works out the front office will have to have some serious cash set aside to keep him. When Okoye's contract runs out and assuming he will be as good as we all think, he will be so young and have so many good years left in him, he will end up commanding the highest contract ever for a defensive player. In the short term our secondary would be great and now with Fletcher we may even be able to stop the run. Finally a front office move that makes sense.

Posted by: Mike | March 7, 2007 7:16 AM | Report abuse

I'm cautiously optimistic about this, if it happens, but ONLY if we get a 1-2-3, and Bly. We need to HOLD our ground on this one. If they want the #6 so bad, they'll come around. Its time the Skins played hard-ball with someone for a change.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | March 7, 2007 8:30 AM | Report abuse

JLC, if this Bly trade happens do you think they ship Springs to Detroit for maybe 2 of their 4 5th round picks?

Posted by: Gibby | March 7, 2007 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Hey JLC, is it possible for the Redskins to make a trade with Denver undo's all the terrible trades we've made with them?

Denver Pwns Us Hard With No KY.

Posted by: Sichon | March 7, 2007 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone realize that Bailey was going to leave if he wasn't traded? They made the best out of that they could. People need to get facts right.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 7, 2007 10:13 AM | Report abuse

If the Redskins are contemplating a trade for Springs, I hope they are realistic in what they think they can get. He is a good corner when he's healthy but he has been hurt a lot and he isn't getting any younger.

As for Denver, my guess is that they never intended to hold on to Bly and they know that Washington is an easy target for them based on recent history. If they do something, Denver will probably get the better of the deal.

Posted by: jeff | March 7, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Considering how much flak the redskins front office constantly receives for overpaying free agents and blowing draft picks it is hard to see this trade scenario as negative.

Dre Bly is an instant upgrade at corner (seeing as springs can't stay healthy), a swap in 1st round picks can still land us an elite DE prospect such as Carriker who at approx. 300 pounds can also play DT on obvious passing downs. remember that versatility equals value. In any matter, whatever D lineman we take with our 1st rounder is an immediate upgrade over renaldo wynn, (likely to be cut for cap reasons) saleve'a, or boschetti. I think Kedric Golston was a pleasant surprise from last year on the line but we need 3 quality tackles for a proper rotation. Montgomery isn't the answer either. Without sufficient help at DT, newly signed london Fletcher won't be able to get behind the line of scrimmage to make plays in the backfield on a consistent basis. So the answer is clear, take a DT.

Note:(starting caliber D-lineman can be found at 21st overall pick)

The opponents'lack of a running game equates to more passing downs, which with our improved situation at corner will allow G Williams to blitz from all over the field.

Note: (upgrade at FS can be found in 2nd or 3rd round)

Stop looking at the sexy picks at the top of the draft board and think in terms of value. If we land Bly, the 21st overall, their 2nd AND our old 3rd round pick, then this trade is as close to a sure thing as you can get. We can end up with possibly 3 starters(not counting Bly. PLUS, we have the option of unloading Springs for more lower round picks or even moving him over to FS. But even with that move theres no guarantee the glue holding his shoulder/knee/groin/ankles together will hold through the course of a full season. I say strike while the irons hot, this deal makes sense for both teams. NOT TO MENTION we don't have to deal with signing an enormous DE contract that the top-tier lineman will be asking for, therefore avoiding the possibility of a holdout.

Posted by: FloridaState07 | March 7, 2007 1:06 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins had any kind of sense, they would forget about this Bly trade stuff for a while. They need to explore other options (going from #6 to #21 is a big fall). I feel as though if they could move down to around 15 they would still be able to draft a high impact player plus acquire additional picks. Bly has not received an extension and would be a free agent after next season anyway.

Posted by: Gee from MD | March 7, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

What is going on here? Our defense is finally showing signs of being fixed... we shouldn't do any more with it (except maybe with the draft). With the aquisition of Smoot (YIPPEE!!), and straightening out the D line with Fletcher; and with Rogers and Fox already in the picture along with our PROVEN cornerback, Shawn Springs... why are we even talking about getting Dre' Bly? What we really need is an O lineman to replace Doc! If Bly wants to come to Washington, great, but, if we don't really need him, why give up someone as good as Shawn Springs in a trade? Did Springs SAY he wanted to go to Denver? (I haven't heard that) So he's 32! Big deal... he's got the talent and experience we need and, if we trade him, it will be just like when we stupidly lost Ryan Clark. The defense needs to be cohesive and with Shawn finally healthy and Smoot back, it's got the potential for being just that. Leave it alone! Fletcher and Smoot were just what we needed. Now we just need to find someone to fill Doc's shoes and we're good to go!

Posted by: Lilly | March 7, 2007 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who has ever had a "sports" hernia knows exactly what Shawn Springs went through!!! That injury is now fully healed so he should be back to his old self. That injury causes more pain than anyone could imagine. Its a testiment to his toughness and team spirit that he played at all last year.

Posted by: Redskin Jim | March 7, 2007 2:39 PM | Report abuse

responding to lilly...

Springs isn't part of the scenario to denver. I say we should trade him because he has never been known for his durability. Same reason why seattle let him go, he's a great talent but can't seem to stay on the field. what good is a #1 corner when he's never out there? also, we pay him big money to ride the pine and we can't look towards the playoffs with a big question mark at the #1 CB spot. Bly is more durable, and an excellent big play corner too. He's like Smoot but a more consistent tackler and better in zone coverage. With a pick acquired from Denver, a quality OG could be plucked with the 2nd round selection. There are some good fringe 1st/2nd round O-lineman this year so says the experts..example:justin blaylock from texas or arron sears from tennessee.
just a thought.

responding to Gee...

The Bly deal to Washington included a contract extension which would take him off the 2008 free agent market. (this is one of the reasons he wants to come to washington)

i do see the positives of staying at 6 and taking a DE prospect, but i feel that it is in the teams best interests to acquire immediate help in the secondary for a playoff run and also add several younger developmental players through the draft. this trade would enable us to do so.

Posted by: FloridaState07 | March 7, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

At first i didnt want the skins to make any more moves.But this deal sounds to good to be true. We would have a all-pro corner, de or dt in first round, guard in 2nd and wr or depth at any position in 3rd. sounds like a no-brainer to me.

Posted by: Brut | March 7, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Why Bly ?
Lets face it, he wants to come here because the Skins will overpay him like they do with all the other average, old (or horrible) players they've obtained in free agency.. in this league, you need two things to win.. a QB and a Defense.. as well as some patient, good GM'ing..
We need some viable pro bowlers on this defense, which are gotten in the top of the draft.. we'd be better off (this year!) with Springs (an unquestionable close down corner) and a young stud D-lineman that can dead-stop the run and/or put pressure on the QB, and needs double teaming, instead of dropping to #21 and getting more ave. players...
Unless we can get Bly and still (get in or maneuver back into) the top 12 to get Okoye, I say forget it.. stay where you're at, and for once, be patient...

Posted by: vpar57 | March 7, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

If Okoye is going to be around at 21, we Denver fans will just stay where we are, thank you very much, and take the kid. Of course there's about as much chance of that as of me winning the freaking lottery. I'd be surprised if he fell out of the top 10 and floored if he fell to fifteen. There's no way on earth he falls to 21. Are you kidding? And a second and a conditional pick for Shawn Springs, who none of you seem to think can stay healthy and is on the wrong side of 30? Come on!

Posted by: Broncosfan | March 7, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | March 7, 2007 8:31 PM | Report abuse

I think the trade sounds great. We need to build depth and can't expect to stay healthy at OL and DB all season. My only worry is that Dre Bly will come to D.C. to "retire" like so many other of our free agents. Its like they come to the 'Skins and have nothing else to prove, don't seem to play hard. I guess we'll have to chance it though.

Posted by: Chad | March 8, 2007 8:52 AM | Report abuse

RED - I agree with you in the trade values. However, if Denver wants to swap firsts, give us the second , our third back AND give us a 2nd in 2008 (remember a 2nd in 2008 is like a 3rd in 2007 as next years picks are always treated as if they are a round later) THEN I'll like the deal.

In 2008 --> Denver's 2nd rounder (valued as the 84th pick) Value = 170. Or we could go for a 3rd in 2008 as well (as if it was pick 112 so value = 70) if the Broncos don't want to give up the 2nd.

So thats;

2007

Denver's 21st(1)
Denver's 56th(2)
Denver's 70th(3)

2008

Denver's 2nd rounder or 3rd rounder.

This would be a sweet deal as it allows us to start thinking to future drafts and stockpiling picks so that we can start to build via the draft. The FO needs to think beyond just this year vis-a-vis the draft.


Posted by: Thai | March 8, 2007 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Of course - my above comments are also that we get Bly in the trade as well.

As for Springs - we could move him to Safety or trade him for a 3rd rounder in 2007 or 2008.

Posted by: Thai | March 8, 2007 10:41 AM | Report abuse

This is the the type of trade that would make all our GM inquiries go away especially if Springs can go to Detroit and get us picks and cap relief. All the picks we get out this we could become a New England like franchise

Posted by: Darryl Rouse Jr. | March 8, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

As a Devoted Redskins fan, as much I would love for Bly to become a Redskin, I just don't think its worth the 6th overall pick especially if its a player who could be a key part of the D-line for years to come like Gaines Adams/Jamaal Anderson who could finally give opposing O-lines & QB's a run for their money. Springs is obviously just as good as Bly but his durability is a problem. All he needs is some time to lick his wounds and try to get Bly next year but I really don't want to see the redskins make a another boneheaded move

Posted by: James | March 8, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

please send this to Dre Bly. You are a good player and you being on denver is a dream come true but this is your choice, but i think it would be the coolest thing to see you in denver and i hope you stay with denver and see the light that you would bring us

P.S to the people who disagree with me, it not about the money, its about what team Dre Bly desires

Posted by: luke | March 8, 2007 6:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm a huge Sean Taylor fan and a diehard Redskins fan since I was 3 or so. I'd love to see Bly there cause I guarantee you we would get more out of him then we ever did with Springs. Get rid of the 6th overall and get 3 picks and Bly in return. Umm duh. Would you say no to the trade if Springs gets on the Injured list once again I doubt it. Bly, Smoot, and Rogers. Pretty good at corner. Springs is past his prime well past it. Good guy bad to many injury concerns. Bly always is healty.

Posted by: Mark | March 8, 2007 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Jason, is there any word on whether Archuleta would be included in this deal?

Posted by: NinjaTickets | March 9, 2007 11:29 AM | Report abuse

what the Redskins need to do is sign a guard to a cap friendly contract, and after they finish signing the guard, and their draft picks they should start heating up the negotiations with the agent of cooley, instead of waiting next offseason and I also believe that the biggest reason, that this team can't sign their own players is because that the way they resructure, contracts with too many players and they, take too long for example, it took them three weeks to complete restructuring for brunell, and extending 2 players at the same time it took about 3 months that's too long and that is probably the biggest reason why they lost Dockery.

Posted by: armen | March 9, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

if this deal happens are cornerbacks will be pretty solid with Dre Bly,Freed Smoot,Carlos Rogers,and Ade Jimoh

Posted by: dominique | March 19, 2007 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Dre Bly will have at least 5 interceptions or better with the redskins and Fred Smoot will have at least 3 interceptions and Carlos Rogers will have 2 interceptions which will be good for our cornerbacks so make this dal happen.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 19, 2007 5:21 PM | Report abuse

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