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Orakpo, Sanchez Scenarios, Updates

I continue to hear that the Skins' primary focus is to move up to draft USC quarterback Mark Sanchez; however, if they do not and if Brian Orakpo is untaken at 13, he would be a frontrunner for them. (That is assuming Sanchez were off the board.) Moving up for Sanchez will likely require that the Redskins move to the third or fourth spot. Both Kansas City and Seattle are amenable to dealing down, according to sources. The New York Jets, who pick at 17, are the other team highly motivated to move up and get Sanchez.

Several sources have suggested the Redskins have begun to send out feelers on what it might take to get Seattle's pick, and the Seahawks, at this stage, would likely seek two first-round picks on the high end. That was a price the Redskins were willing to pay for Chad Johnson last year and Jay Cutler a few weeks back, although neither deal was completed.

If the market for those picks were to dry up and with not too many teams pushing to move into the top five, perhaps a first- and second-, or first- and third-round pick would get it done as the draft gets closer. I wouldn't expect any trade of this type to come down until 12-to-24 hours before the draft at the earliest. The Redskins could also peddle Jason Campbell in one of these trade scenarios, though K.C. and Seattle might not be interested. One thing that might work in the Skins' favor as well, several NFL sources pointed out, is that the bad blood between K.C.'s new boss, Scott Pioli, and the Jets might make it harder for those teams to get a deal done. Also, it's going to take more to move up from 17 than from 13.

As for Orakpo, he is set to leave Redskins Park in a few hours. He arrived here yesterday for his official visit, according to a league source (USC linebacker Brian Cushing also took an official visit here and to other teams this week, though I continue to believe that the Skins would rather not take a linebacker at 13).

By the weekend, Orakpo will have made official visits to Cleveland, Denver, Houston and the Skins, and also worked out for Cincy, according to a source. Green Bay also scouted him heavily at his pro day. The highest several sources thought he would go is to Cleveland with the fifth pick, though that seems a bit high to some.

The execs and agents I talk to expect a run on offensive players to continue, and maybe Green Bay will take him at No. 9. He might be better-suited to a 4-3 team, though, and they're implementing the 3-4. Denver at 12 is another serious option, with defensive coordinator Mike Nolan pursuing players like Orakpo in the past, but if Malcolm Jenkins or a tackle is on the board when they pick, the Broncos could easily go in that direction.

Seeing Orakpo available at 13 wouldn't be a shock, according to executives and agents deeply involved in the draft process. And Sanchez possibilities aside, Orakpo is seen as a viable option by the decision-makers at Redskins Park.

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By Jason La Canfora  |  April 16, 2009; 2:00 PM ET
 
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Posted by: BigE44 | April 16, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

So now it's Sanchez or Orakpo huh? I don't think either are available @ 13. If we move up we are stupid. If somehow sanchez was there @13 we would be even stupider not to trade our pick to the J-E-T-S, Jets

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 16, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

"psps23 I like the tier analysis. I don't agree w/ some of your ranking but I guess it's all gravy. Anyway, what amount of emphasis would you place on character? For example, if BJ Raji indeed tested positive for drugs use during the combine and he slides to #13 would you select him as the pick considering he's an elite talent?

Posted by: TWISI"

I think it depends on the drugs. If it was marijuana, I'd probably drop him down a tier, then draft accordingly. If it was steroids, he'd probably get dropped 2 tiers, then draft accordingly. If he's the at the top of the list given the tiers, even with the character issues, then he gets taken. But it becomes unlikely that he reaches the top of the list if he gets tested positive.

Posted by: psps23 | April 16, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

if the Skins trade up that high (3rd or 4th overall), they would have a legit shot at Curry, which would be a much smarter selection than Sanchez.

But alas, Vinny knows better, right?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 16, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I really don't believe any of this stuff.

Is JLC gonna quit on draft day to hide his shame when one of this even comes close to happening?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 16, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Here's my take on the Boldin thing. If we keep thirteen we should draft OL however if you look at last year it wasn't until samuels went down that our O started getting really bad. Samuels is the best player on the skins IF he can stay healthy we can make do with Jansen /Heyer for one more year. Trade number1 and a pick next year for Boldin and pick up some projects for the OL in the 3rd. Samuels for HOF

Posted by: DG28 | April 16, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

DEEEEEEER I am Dan Snyder I want a QB....DERRRRRRR

Posted by: alex35332 | April 16, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Drafting Sanchez would be a retarted disaster.

Posted by: BMACattack | April 16, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Any scenario where we trade two number ones for an unproven one year college QB with questionable arm strength seems incredible stupid to me. So it's probably true.

Posted by: DG28 | April 16, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

it's simple. if the redskins destroy another draft by moving up to take sanchez when they already have a solid QB who's gotten better every year, i become a ravens fan. and i've been a fanatical fan for 40 years.

every idiotic, shortsighted, ignore-the-lines move the skins make kills me a little more, and i've reached the breaking point. three receivers in one round last year drove me to the brink. giving up on campbell to start over with a rookie QB pushes me right over the cliff.

Posted by: keithward64 | April 16, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

'...I really don't believe any of this stuff...'


me too

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 16, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

*none of this


also, just read a mock draft on a message board that has us taking :

1st #13 Brian Cushing LB USC
3rd #80 Phil Loadholt OT OU
5th #150 Matt Shaugnessy DE Wisconsin
6th #186 Cedric Dockery G UT
7th #243 comp pick Colt David K LSU

at #13 we had the following available :

Muauluga, Peria Jerry, Tyson Jackson, Robert Ayers, Andre Smith

I'd probably rather have Andre Smith or Muauluga over Cushing, but other than that and the stupid kicker pick, I'd be okay with that draft.

Also just thinking, if I'm Detroit, I take Jason Smith at #1 and then hope Freeman drops to #20.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 16, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

"Dude - sure glad the Skins have a GM and it ain't you!

Posted by: AntonChigurh"

Why thank you. I take that as a high compliment from someone that's attempted to put out as facts the several laughable theories that you have over the last month or so.

Posted by: psps23 | April 16, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Zeke,
Are you saying we should trade up for Curry?
Does Dan like curry?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 16, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

"it's simple. if the redskins destroy another draft by moving up to take sanchez when they already have a solid QB who's gotten better every year, i become a ravens fan. and i've been a fanatical fan for 40 years.

Posted by: keithward64"

well seriously don't let the door hit you on the way out. Why don't you go ahead and leave right now, save us all the trouble later.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 16, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Assuming that we don't go LB or OL with #13, which do you use the third round pick for LB or OL?

I say OL.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 16, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

"1st #13 Brian Cushing LB USC
3rd #80 Phil Loadholt OT OU
5th #150 Matt Shaugnessy DE Wisconsin
6th #186 Cedric Dockery G UT
7th #243 comp pick Colt David K LSU"

This implies that this 'mocker' pays more attention to the Redskins roster than the pro-bowl roster. Unfortunately, our FO (particularly Snyder) may not think the same way.

Posted by: psps23 | April 16, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

but imagine if we took

in the first Andre Smith OT
in the third Phil Loadholt OT
in the fifth that DE from Wisconsin
in the seventh Cedrick Docker G
and hell, I'd even be okay with taking a kicker after that draft, but I'd probably rather try to take a small school CB

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 16, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

TheTruth11,

Boy, I bet you're fun at parties!

Posted by: keithward64 | April 16, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

It's like these idiots thrive on making the worst choices. It's simple OL or DL thats it. Lets waste 1st round picks on a 50/50 guy. Yeah! I seriouly think some people that post on here could run this team better.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 16, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse


Orakpo reminds me of Gholston.

Not GOLSTON, Gholston, the Jets overhyped pick collecting splinters in his azz.

Yeah,Blab blah Orakpo is an end. But a lot of smart teams see him as a 3-4 LB or certainly a RIGHT DE where lighter quicker types can survive in the NFC East, BAD fit.

If the skins draft Sanchex at the cost of two #1s, he'll be the new Ramsey. Shell-shocked and blitzkrieged for a couple of years before he collapses in a puddle of blood and bruises and is replaced by the next shiny trinket..


Posted by: TheCork | April 16, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

keithward

'...shortsighted, ignore-the-lines move the skins make kills me a little more..'

You really have to ask yourself why your issues related to the o-line seem so true to any observer.

Perhaps the FO feels it really is Heyer's turn, believes in Dock, thinks it can squeeze another year or two out of Samuels/Thomas/Rabach and likes having Jansen/Rhinehart as a back up.

It all looks like some thinking we'd better get used to.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 16, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

The Truth, always the diplomat.

Gotta stick with my team through thick and thin. Haven't seen fat and happy in a long, long time though.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 16, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

"TheTruth11,

Boy, I bet you're fun at parties!

Posted by: keithward64"


have fun wearing purple

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 16, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Are there any other outlets, ESPN, SI, FoxSports, PFT, PFWeekly, Extremeskins, ANYWHERE, that is also reporting this trade up scenario??

Not that I'm saying it can't happen, but I'd expect this to be reported somewhere else as well as on RI.

I'm not sure that it is....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 16, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Staying put and corraling ORAKPO would be sweet. There are plenty of solid O-linemen in the 3rd through 5th rounds. Even after the draft in FA. So I wouldn't panic by trading away more of the future to get SANCHEZ unless we trade JASON for picks as well. COLLINS might hear his number called next season. Could pick SIDBURY in the 3rd and convert him to an OLB. He did play part of his career at RICHMOND as a stand-up right DE although no pass responsibilities other than flat coverage along the line of scrimmage. I still like CORNELIUS LEWIS right OG at #5 and GREG TOLER CB at #6. WR at comp #7 and CECIL NEWTON C/G in FA.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 16, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

shiny trinket
{grin}
love it, cork.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 16, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

If we trade UP for sanchez and give away more picks, I seriously won't watch this year. I really hope its all a smokescreen.

Seriously, why support a franchise that isn't trying to win, just trying to beat OTHER teams in getting the shiny toys?

Ill always love the players wearing the jerseys, but how can you support an organization that just doesn't know how to build a winning football team?

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 16, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

TheTruth11, have fun eating peanut butter in your underwear.

Posted by: keithward64 | April 16, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

TheCork

'...If the skins draft Sanchez...he'll be the new Ramsey. Shell-shocked and blitzkrieged ...before he collapses in a puddle of blood and bruises..'


Think of it from his agent's point of view--playingbehind our creaky o-line, he can get money endorsing health insurance and painkilling medication.

He'll get hit so much he'll think he's David Carr.

Or Jason Campbell.


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 16, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

I can sense another "suck my butt" comment coming from The Truth

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 16, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

also, just read a mock draft on a message board that has us taking :

1st #13 Brian Cushing LB USC
3rd #80 Phil Loadholt OT OU
5th #150 Matt Shaugnessy DE Wisconsin
6th #186 Cedric Dockery G UT
7th #243 comp pick Colt David K LSU

Truth I think its pretty sad when you find mock drafters doing a much a better job than our FO. Okay, I shouldn't blame the FO.

As I've too often said defending Vinny!! Vinny!! I can't believe I am defending Vinny!! The problem is that the owner is the GM. There is an FO, but just like the coaching staff, anything they say is ignored at this point.

And our GM, Snyder the Snidely Owl, doesn't appear to have bothered to scout his own team. Or at least listen to people who have scouted the Redskins.

Its like having a junior high school kid create a fantasy team out of a tangible and quite real NFL franchise.

Posted by: periculum | April 16, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

cork, agreed on using two #1's on Sanchez, he'll get blitzed and then broken......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 16, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

we can not draft a player named Cedrick Dockery JLC, Sam & Sonny will forever confuse the 3 players!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 16, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Think of it from his agent's point of view--playingbehind our creaky o-line,

That's the point of all this ... its an endless repeat loop. Agent smoozes Snidely. Snidely forks over gigantic non-refundable bonus. Agent and client get paid.

Snidely looks like an idiot yet again.

He'll get hit so much he'll think he's David Carr.
Or Jason Campbell.

He's pretty mobile, its why he didn't end up like a Ramsay last year.


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 16, 2009

Posted by: periculum | April 16, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Are there any other outlets, ESPN, SI, FoxSports, PFT, PFWeekly, Extremeskins, ANYWHERE, that is also reporting this trade up scenario??

Not that I'm saying it can't happen, but I'd expect this to be reported somewhere else as well as on RI.

I'm not sure that it is....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 16, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse
I read this am from mcShavy on ESPN that he would not rule out a move up because it fits Snyder's MO (paraphrasing) but not sources are mentioned

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 16, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Cmon Guys, at this moment its all smoke and mirrors. Yeah, redskins could talk about picking Sanchez, but that could be a bluff, if somehow he drops to 13, someone (the Jets come to mind) might pay some picks to get him, so that means more picks. All in all, no team really knows what it will do untill theyre on the clock (calls and trades, anything can happen)

Posted by: arbano1 | April 16, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Don't believe anything from the "Draft Scenario: Orakpo Slips to Skins " Post.

No way Oher goes in the top 10, let alone before A Smith. That statement right there nullifies any argument for anything in that post.

No to Orakpo!

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 16, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Just like with Cutler the more JLC talks about the Skins moving up and taking Sanchez the better I feel that it won't go down. Please keep saying we are taking him.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 16, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

JLC is on the money about trading up for Sanchez. Did you think Snyder was just gonna sit back and chill the rest of the offseason when he didn't get Cutler. This has nothing to do with JC. The fact is that the Skins little kid owner wants a new toy to play with and he's not gonna worry about sound draft decisions, mortgaging the future, or building any kind of consistency. Say goodbye to multiple 1st and/or 2nd round future draft picks. He'll have Sanchez to put on the new Media guide along with Haynesworth and Hall while figuring out how much money he's gonna have to give up to get Shanahan or Gruden in 2010. Collins will start the season and get pounded. Colt will play and prove that despite what his moronic fans thinks, he absolutely sucks. 6-10 in 09.

Posted by: moseley_brian | April 16, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Its like drafting another Colt Brennan in Mark Sanchez. Its a complete and total waste of 2 draft picks because Colt Brennan would likely beat Sanchez out in head-to-head competition for the QB position.

Posted by: periculum | April 16, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

hail, that to me is throwing stuff at the wall and seeing if it will stick....

I guess I just don't understand why no one else is reporting this....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 16, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Dear God,

Why are they talking about moving up? Ridiculous. They should be focusing on moving down (I know its harder said than done). If they can move down to the 20s and pick up a 2nd rounder, they would probably be able to get one of the remaining USC LBs and a decent OL or DL. Then, if that no-name CB is available with the third round pick, they have a great draft and fill 3 of 4 significant positions of need.

But, if they move up to take Sanchez, who knows what they will overpay to do it. Most significantly, they will be left with gaping holes at OL, LB, DE and nickel CB and a QB in Sanchez that will not play this year (or will be ineffective if he does).

Are we fans idiots? Doesn't keeping 13 or trading down make the most obvious sense? I can't take this garbage anymore. Let's hope Vinny and Dan are just posturing . . . but that's giving them too much credit, isn't it?

Posted by: Papalama | April 16, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

This posts tells me that all signs point to Cushing @ #13 if Sanchez is not there.

There is too much inaccurate info coming, because it contradicts MAyock on some parts. I doubt JLa scooped Mayock. No way he knows what's going on in the real war room.....

Cushing/Sanchez @ #13

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 16, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

if the Skins trade up that high (3rd or 4th overall), they would have a legit shot at Curry, which would be a much smarter selection than Sanchez.

But alas, Vinny knows better, right?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 16, 2009

No, I would like to believe Vinny would pick Curry or Crabtree if he thought it would make Snyder happy. This is all about Snyder.

Unless its about Vinny proving that Gibbs was wrong. And if that's the case he will end up looking like a complete buffoon with no chance at future employment in the NFL after the Redskins.


Posted by: periculum | April 16, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

hail, that to me is throwing stuff at the wall and seeing if it will stick....

I guess I just don't understand why no one else is reporting this....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 16, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I agree Greg it is just the only mention i have heard of it than every post JLC conjures up. i think anyone could make something up about Snyder and make it seem almost believable unless they said he was 6' tall that is...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 16, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

If the skins make a bonehead decision to draft Sanchez, I'm sure they will make another mistake by getting rid of Campbell. Then we will have a situation that would be reminiscent of the Shuler / Frerotte fiasco:


Cutler is Shuler….Colt Brennen is Frerotte. Colt knows the system and will probably look more impressive in practice and preseason. Colt will be the QB that fans will be pulling for….Then what???

Posted by: pennstate1 | April 16, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Any chance that the "feelers" being sent out to KC or Seattle aren't actually about Sanchez but possibly Curry if he is available at 3 or 4?

I don't want to see them move up under any circumstances, but if they did move to 3 or 4, I'd rather see them get the best Def. player available (which happens to fill their biggest hole on D).

Another thought I had. If Sanchez does fall to #13, I would support the Skins drafting him (although I'm sure my thinking isn't what Snyder/Cerrato are thinking). If they draft Sanchez (and don't give up anything to do it), it could put them in a great situation.

Campbell remains the starter this year. If he has a bad year, they let him leave and have their next QB with 1 year in the system. If Campbell has a good year, the Skins franchize him and then trade him in a Cutler like deal.

So if the Redskins do take Sanchez #13, I can at least see some potential good coming out of it.

Posted by: HokiePaul | April 16, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Are there any other outlets, ESPN

Last I looked Mel Kiper works for ESPN. Moseley (ESPN) of the BEAST beat has been hearing the same things but appears to believe it would be way too stupid to ever happen. But, then he is a fan of Campbell.

So, Snyder would never go after Cutler, mortgage the future etc.? But he did didn't he? Snyder is not Parcells. He does not have a "poker face". Undoubtedly this post is true.

We can all hope that like the Bears, the Jets beat Snidely to Sanchez and he is forced to select an OT/DE/LB. But if he somehow gets that 2nd round pick from the Rams ... it'll be Sanchez.

Posted by: periculum | April 16, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

If the skins make a bonehead decision to draft Sanchez, I'm sure they will make another mistake by getting rid of Campbell. Then we will have a situation that would be reminiscent of the Shuler / Frerotte fiasco:


Sanchez is Shuler….Colt Brennen is Frerotte. Colt knows the system and will probably look more impressive in practice and preseason. Colt will be the QB that fans will be pulling for….Then what???

Posted by: pennstate1 | April 16, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I mean, have PKing, or Banks, or Schefter reported this, or what about that guy who scooped everybody about the Redskins signing AHaynes??

Heck, what about Lenny P, he'd be all OVER this ripping the team....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 16, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Part 1

My opinion on the thinking that's going on at Redskins Park.

Danny:
He wants a shiny new toy because Albert isn't enough. His dream QB slipped away to Chicago and maybe Shanahan isn't coming because of it. So he's going to pay for the next Peyton Manning. Blind to the fact that he's every bit as likely to get the next Ryan Leaf.

Vinny:
He is really the one with the most dimensions. He knows that his job is at risk with another 8-8 season, unless that 8-8 season is a step to something bigger. Which is why the love for Sanchez. If Sanchez struggles as a rookie, well that was to be expected. Drafting Sanchez IMPROVES Vinny's job security. Staying the course with Campbell and going 8-8 gets Vinny fired. Going 6-10 with Sanchez and Vinny could still have a job -- as long as Sanchez shows 'promise'.

Danny may love what Vinny does for him (lose in racquetball), but Danny's spending more than anyone in NFL history and will be in a world of hurt if the salary cap stays in place after this year. The stakes are high, more than 8-8 high -- even if the talent level is 8-8ish. Vinny needs a way to lower expectations to deflect blame. And Sanchez is the ticket.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 16, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Cutler is Shuler….Colt Brennen is Frerotte. Colt knows the system and will probably look more impressive in practice and preseason. Colt will be the QB that fans will be pulling for….Then what???

Posted by: pennstate1 | April 16, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Than Colt will headbutt a wall and spend the next 13 years traveling from team to team.

Posted by: az_david | April 16, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Part 2

Jim Zorn:
The HC without any power. Drafting Sanchez would be the writing on the wall. Actually, seriously considering Sanchez at this time is the writing on the wall, drafting him makes it more like an engraving on the wall.

By the nutty standards of the Spaghetti Gang, Campbell was a failure in 2008. By extension, its either on Zorn for not developing Campbell or on Campbell for just being no good.

Trouble is, Campbell did look good for a good chunk, including half a season without an INT. Campbell led us to wins over Brees and Warner, plus romo in dal and mcnabb in philly.

So the scapegoat phrase is that Campbell 'is not a good fit'. Which places the blame on Joe Gibbs -- the guy no longer in the room (office politics 101, blame the guy who isn't there). And that opens the door to bring on Sanchez.

Zorn will be expected to turn Sanchez into another Matt Ryan. Zorn knows that this is his last year if 8-8 is the outcome. He also knows deep down that his team isn't much better than what he had 2008. Zorn isn't low man on the totem pole concerning personnel for key positions -- Zorn isn't on the totem pole at all.

For Zorn, his best hope is that Campbell stays and they get a player in the draft (Curry, one of the OTs, etc) that has an instant positive impact. But Zorn has no say in all of this.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 16, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

So, this is the ratcheting up of the substantiation. And now the soursces are "executives and agents". And not just that but executives with "knowledge of the draft process." Are these team execs or NFL execs?

I also like the qualifiers that the execs and agents are "suggesting" to Jasno that feelers are being sent out. Talk about just the right amount of plausible deniability.

I also know some execs that have suggested to me that Dan Snyder will pick Barney the Dinosaur because he loves the color purple. Except I'll name my source- it's my 5 year old who is the executive director of Redskins Operations in his pre-K class. He has, in my opinion, as much knowledge of the situation as anyone.

Posted by: LarryBud | April 16, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Part 3

Jason Campbell:
He has no say in this, nor should he, beyond his play on the field. To me, his play said good things about him, but it didn't to the people that matter inside the Skins organization. I'd guess its somewhere around a 50/50 chance that he's gone within the month.

Anyway, the real key to all of this is:

-if the Skins go 6-10 with Sanchez, Vinny probably keeps his job
-if the Skins go 8-8 with Campbell, Vinny probably loses his job.
-Vinny knows his boss wants a shiny new QB

When you add it up, its pretty clear why Vinny is so excited about Sanchez. Its office politics. Yuck.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 16, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Vinny:
He is really the one with the most dimensions. He knows that his job is at risk with another 8-8 season...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 16, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if Vinny's job will ever be at risk. He does what the owner tells him to do, if it doesn't work out who's fault is that?

Posted by: az_david | April 16, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

peric, what about John Clayton? He's usually pretty tuned in to these issues.

All I'm saying is that there doesn't seem to be a lot of people talking about what would be a VERY BIG move.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 16, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Look people. Vinnie is not moving up to get Sanchez.

When will people learn that other GMs and Agents use the Redskins irregardless of whether we're really in it or mildly interested.

History tells us that Vinny moves down, not up and that he goes best available (Why we picked up the 3 'pass catchers'). His-Ta-Ree.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 16, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Again to all the ill informed. Sanchez is not worth a 1st round pick. He is a college Junior. He specs out to about the same level as Colt Brennan. Next year he would be 2nd round or lower.

Curry is worth a high 1st round pick. Orapko might be except for injury problems he may end up being another Rocky or Malcolm Kelly. Andre Smith is worth a high 1st round pick. Oher is worth a 1st round pick.

Posted by: periculum | April 16, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

am I the only one that has an image of this "unnamed source" from Redskins Park covering up the phone to hide his laughing while he is telling all this to JLC?


Seriously, the guy has worn out his welcome there, I think this is just some cruel joke.

and PASS on Orakpo, dude is a bust I guarantee it.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 16, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

The other Redskins will go down today.

The Indians v. Yanks

Yanks 1

Indians 1

Sweep this weekend, y'all: the Cleveland Redskins can't keep up with the Bronx Money Machine and it's new, glorious play pen.

Next week, we go to Bah-stun to play the Sawx.

And we'll sweep them, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 16, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I HATE the cowgirls, all texas teams for that matter, Tony Homo, JJ, TO, the Eggles, philly fans and kittens.
Just thought i'd throw something out there to unify the blog

Posted by: DG28 | April 16, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

JLC you and most of the people hear by the hype every year. How many times to we hear that the Skins are so impressed by player X and gave him a private workout with Dan Snyder and Snyder was so impressed that he will pay what it takes to get him. Well history shows us that these stories happen all the time and only once did it come to be true (Jason Campbell). Are these the same sources that assured us that we would be trading up for Calvin Johnson, Joey Harrington, Robert Gallery, EJ Henderson, Donte Stallworth, and on and on. Every year it's the same story Snyder is in love with some player and will trade up to get him. But it never happens. A simple look at Skins draft history shows that we are more likely to trade down for more picks or trade for a veteran player. Outside of Campbell, when have we traded up for a player since 2000?

Do yourself a favor JLC, ditch your sources or stop pretending to have sources. "They" make you look like a buffoon, although you do a great job of that yourself.

Posted by: ajian1 | April 16, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

That's was funny when frerotte bumped his head....maybe Snyder needs to bump his head on a wall and come to the conclusion that he needs to hire a REAL GM

Posted by: pennstate1 | April 16, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Good one LB....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 16, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

"Its like drafting another Colt Brennan in Mark Sanchez. Its a complete and total waste of 2 draft picks because Colt Brennan would likely beat Sanchez out in head-to-head competition for the QB position.

Posted by: periculum "


JOKE POST

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 16, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Look people. Vinnie is not moving up to get Sanchez.

When will people learn that other GMs and Agents use the Redskins irregardless of whether we're really in it or mildly interested.

4th if it really is Vinny running the show he would trade down to get more players as he did last year. A good move if you have scouted well enough to get the right guys in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

You must know by everything that has occurred in this offseason that Snyder is running the show. Snyder is the GM, not Vinny. Snyder will go for Sanchez, not Vinny.


Posted by: periculum | April 16, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

MR. SNYDER ....PLEASE DO NOT TRADE OR PICKS AWAY ON SANCHEZ...IT WILL SET US BACK!!!!!!!!

Posted by: jiza32 | April 16, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

And to piggy back off of ajian1; Gibbs was the one in love with JC17. I think Snyder just came along for the ride.

History. We are living in it. Now acknowledge it.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 16, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

In fairness to periculum, this rumor was started by ESPN and Mark Schlereth and regurgitated by Jasno then got picked up again yesterday by ESPN. They are all listening to their own echo.

Also, I'm sure there is an actual source, but the reliability and veracity is highly suspect given that when actual Redskins news breaks they almost never call Jasno first and he has in fact been less than accurate in stories allegedly backed up by anonymous sources before.

Posted by: LarryBud | April 16, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

My Lord!!!! I hate you Synder..You know I cant root for anyone else. Youre a drug dealer that keeps giving me more drugs that are cut day after day until im just happy that you even have crap for me!

Posted by: Tyler84101 | April 16, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

moe, I know its still very early, but man, cc worries me if I'm a yanks fan. 105 pictches through 5 innings, guys a horse, but he's been rode hard.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 16, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

peric, what about John Clayton? He's usually pretty tuned in to these issues.

Of the top five receivers in Mel Kiper's 2008 draft list, the Redskins selected THREE. I think Kiper has a direct connection to the FO through Vinny.

I DO NOT for a second believe this is Vinny's call. I think he would do what he did last year and trade down for more picks. It makes the most sense all things considered ... unless you find a Curry or Andre Smith, or a Crabtree at #13.

This is all Snyder all the time. This entire off-season is all about Snyder "acting out", 'showboating', the way he did before Gibbs came on board ostensibly to rescue him.


Posted by: periculum | April 16, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I agree and in doing so supporting his coach. But JLC would never want to show that he went and got done what his coach wanted. JLC could never admit DS supported his coach. He is only looking for toys.

ironically, the only time we traded up to get a player in the first (Campbell), we still held out pick that year and got Rodgers.

"And to piggy back off of ajian1; Gibbs was the one in love with JC17. I think Snyder just came along for the ride.

History. We are living in it. Now acknowledge it."

Posted by: ajian1 | April 16, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: swowra | April 16, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

From the RI: "... the Seahawks, at this stage, would likely seek two first-round picks on the high end. That was a price the Redskins were willing to pay for Chad Johnson last year and Jay Cutler a few weeks back, although neither deal was completed." This gobbledegook is stated as if it were the truth but is more appropriately labeled a "retarted disaster", a term one of the Shakespeares posting on this blog used to refer to something else. First off, nobody knows what was offered up in the Cutler or Ocho deals except the principals and they ain't talking to RI about it. Second, it seems that if the Skins FO were willing to offer 2 1sts for Cutler they would have found a way to close the deal because whatever else was needed would have been chump change. Lastly, to state that the Seahawks are seeking 2 high end first round picks in exchange for their 1 high end 1st round pick defies sane explanation.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 16, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Peri - I agree that if we move up and grab Sanchez; It was Snyder's doing.

If he falls to #13, It's a toss up.

If we grab Cushing or move down, then it's all Vinny.

Anybody see Haynesworth boxing on RNation? Dude is working hard, it seems from the state run propaganda TV Show. Every time I watch Redskins Nation, I feel I live in North Korea............

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 16, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

JOKE POST
Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 16, 2009

Schlereth? Check out Kiper's mock. He is the only one with a major mock that has Sanchez going to Washington. Why?

Posted by: periculum | April 16, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad they made "Official" visits. I wouldn't want anyone making an unofficial visit. Thanks for that tidbit. That's the type of stuff you get only by JLC at the Redskin Insider.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | April 16, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

peric,

You said this thing about Kiper and the danny yesterday and, I'm sorry, but it just doesn't make sense.

You can't call Kiper and exec or an angent with knowledge of the draft process and if it is Kiper why wouldn't he report and why wouldn't Jason name him? It's Kiper's job to make these predictions; why would stay anonymous?

Posted by: LarryBud | April 16, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

There are lots of rumors, but a few facts that are worth noting. The Skins will have had several visits with Sanchez by draft day, perhaps more than with any other candidate.

In the past, meeting have equated with interest (I recall they did a special meeting for Malcolm Kelly last year)

We know Danny is not happy with our current QB.

Put these facts together and its likely that its one of those smoke-fire things

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 16, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

"Schlereth? Check out Kiper's mock. He is the only one with a major mock that has Sanchez going to Washington. Why?

Posted by: periculum"


not that

JOKE POST referred to your post about Colt beating out Sanchez


come on, admit it

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 16, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

He (Snyder)may like Sanchez, but unless he enjoys being the object of ridicule (which may be true) I don't think so. If he drafts this kid, he will be THE Dumbest Billionaire known to man. Sanchez will not fill the seats in 09 and while there are some people who would love to move past JC (like GURU), most decent football minds will bulk at it creating the fear of losing fans and money. People will think he is insane for continuing to make the same dumb mistakes.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | April 16, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Seahawks are seeking 2 high end first round picks in exchange for their 1 high end 1st round pick defies sane explanation.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 16, 2009

Think like an FO for a moment guys. Here is Snyder bent on getting a franchise QB. He zeroes in on Cutler, loses that ... now its Sanchez.

You know he will do anything to get what he wants.

You know that will likely destroy the franchise for the next 2 years at least. That means a Redskins draft pick next year, and perhaps even the year after will be very high, perhaps the highest ...

Yes, you do the trade.

Posted by: periculum | April 16, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

"We know Danny is not happy with our current QB.

Put these facts together and its likely that its one of those smoke-fire things

Posted by: zcezcest1 "

you mean the current QB that Dan Snyder told all potential coaches that were interviewed that they HAD to use him as the starting QB?


I don't know where yall get some of this stuff. Dan Snyder told every coach that they had to start JC no questions asked, no competition.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 16, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Go!! politically incorrect team go!!

We don't have the ammo to trade up. nfl people say a round one next year is like a two the current year. Seattle and KC won't trade for that. And while Snider is stupid he wont trade that for Jags pick. Sanchez talk is a moot point because he will be gone so will curry. Orakapo will bust. lets just hope one of the top four tackles fall.

Posted by: DG28 | April 16, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Peric, here is what I'm saying:

Kiper, Jla

vs.

Clayton, Banks, PKing, PFT, PFWeekly, Fox Sports, CBS Sportsline,

Its a big trade, and if there were 'something' to this, don't you think it would have gotten more play than it has?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 16, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I can't see it, I listen to a lot of football talk and Snyder is not in good standing with people around the NFL on how to run and manage a team, I think they honestly think he's an idiot. A Billionaire but an idiot.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | April 16, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

And the thing about mock drafts is that they don't need to be based on reporting; they can be based on hunches.

I think that Clayton moved the Skins up to get Sanchez because ESPN's been buying the echo of its original story from Janso.

Jasno was interviewed for On the Clock yesterday to substantiate the rumor that ESPN started. Who does Clayton work for????

Where's your conspiracy theory now, see.

Posted by: LarryBud | April 16, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

JOKE POST referred to your post about Colt beating out Sanchez

come on, admit it

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 16, 2009

Using ESPN's new system for statistically comparing and measuring whether a college QB will be successful in the pros. (Taking into account the difference in the competition they both faced.) And that fact that Sanchez is a junior ...

Given the descriptions of the two. Both are highly competitive. Reasonably good game managers who protect the ball.

Yes, I do think Colt would beat out Sanchez. But not Campbell.

Posted by: periculum | April 16, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

my last line there was me doing an impression of billy crystal doing an impression of edward g. robinson in the 10 commandments... just so ya'll know.

Posted by: LarryBud | April 16, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I provide a link to a new video with Chris Cooley's wife and you people instead obsess over Dan Snyder.

Sometimes I wonder about the sanity of this here blog nation.

Posted by: swowra | April 16, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Giving up next year's 1st round pick to move up would be a huge mistake. The way this team's heading, that pick next year will most likely be a top five. Keep it.

Posted by: bones21 | April 16, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Its a big trade, and if there were 'something' to this, don't you think it would have gotten more play than it has?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 16, 2009

I want to believe you. But everything that has occurred this off season tells me that Snyder is acting like a John Nash, from "A Beautiful Mind". Its like he is having schizo paranoid delusions about himself and these QB's that he thinks will ostensibly save the team. Maybe he sees Vince Lombardi or George Allen and they talk to him? Who knows?

Posted by: periculum | April 16, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

bean

'...I know its still very early, but man, cc worries me if I'm a yanks fan. 105 pictches through 5 innings, guys a horse, but he's been rode hard...'

CC wil be fine come late summer, trust me, bro.

And that's when it all matters.

The guy who worries me is Wang, actually, all kidding and trash talk aside.

Wang is a one pitch monkey, and right that pitch--a heavy sinker--is coming in belt high and getting turned into doubles.

He could learn to throw a nice off-speed pitch and spot his fastball better if you ask me.

And even if you are not a Yankees fan, you have to admit that Cashman has put together a nice combo of old guys, money guys, and young guys. Heck, they even have three guys pitching in triple A who really could start for them--Kennedy, Aceves, and P Hughes.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 16, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I provide a link to a new video with Chris Cooley's wife and you people instead obsess over Dan Snyder.

Sometimes I wonder about the sanity of this here blog nation.

Posted by: swowra | April 16, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I saw it, and it was worth seeing. She's hot. I can't believe he exposed her that much.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | April 16, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

... Trouble is, Campbell did look good for a good chunk, including half a season without an INT. Campbell led us to wins over Brees and Warner, plus romo in dal and mcnabb in philly. ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 16, 2009 3:16 PM

Dude. I have one word for you. Steelers' game. (Actually that is two words. My bad.) In that game Campbell was, in the words of Linda Richman "verklempt". Dick Lebeau's defense showed for all the world to see that he was a one trick pony.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 16, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

moe, the other thing with cc, is he's not exactly a health nut, he carries a LOT of weight....good baseball talk.....

peric, you don't have to believe me, all you have to do is do some research, and see if anyone else is reporting this. PKing is probably the most connected cat in the bidness, he and Schefter, and neither guy is saying boo about this alleged trade. I'm just saying that it doesn't make a lot of sense is all..

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 16, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Captain Chaos reality show clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EgrhZYKhbs&feature=pyv&ad=3570889308&kw=redskins

Posted by: swowra | April 16, 2009 3:29 PM

Yo, that picture of him and a naked wify was H-O-T.

And his brother Tanner not only looks like him, but HIS WIFE IS JUST AS HOT as Chris'.

Is she a former Redskins Cheerleader too?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 16, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

The charmed life of Captain Chaos.

The funniest bit is Christy getting ready to throw a a beer bottle, and then a rock, at a wasp nest next to a huge window.

Posted by: swowra | April 16, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Dude. I have one word for you. Steelers' game. (Actually that is two words. My bad.) In that game Campbell was, in the words of Linda Richman "verklempt". Dick Lebeau's defense showed for all the world to see that he was a one trick pony.
Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 16, 2009

Actually, just the reverse given the state of the offensive line. Remember Suggs in the game before "you guys were depleted". You weren't watching were you? If you think Campbell is a one-trick pony watch what happens to Sanchez against the Giants improved defensive line next year.

I'll be here to stick that thumb in your eye when he throws those six interceptions.

Posted by: periculum | April 16, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

The funniest bit is Christy getting ready to throw a a beer bottle, and then a rock, at a wasp nest next to a huge window.

Posted by: swowra | April 16, 2009 3:48 PM

I was anticipating a Jessica Simpson moment there.........

The life.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 16, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

And even if you are not a Yankees fan, you have to admit that Cashman has put together a nice combo of old guys, money guys, and young guys. Heck, they even have three guys pitching in triple A who really could start for them--Kennedy, Aceves, and P Hughes.


And even if you are a Yankees fan wouldn't it be hliarious if your overpaid/ overhyper/overpriced/overroided team under achieved again and didn't make the playoffs. I'm laughing already! ha

Posted by: DG28 | April 16, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

The charmed life of Captain Chaos.

The funniest bit is Christy getting ready to throw a a beer bottle, and then a rock, at a wasp nest next to a huge window.

Posted by: swowra | April 16, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Dude she was a cheerleader not a freakin lawyer/doctor

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 16, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

,i>Is she a former Redskins Cheerleader too?
Posted by: 4thFloor | April 16, 2009

Yes, got thrown off the squad after they found out she was playing hide the sausage with Cooley on the first date. They don't hide much ...

Posted by: periculum | April 16, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Maybe he sees Vince Lombardi or George Allen and they talk to him? Who knows?

Posted by: periculum | April 16, 2009 3:41 PM

Maybe he sees Pete Carroll and Pete talks to him.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 16, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

YANKEES SUCK!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 16, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

'...edward g. robinson in the 10 commandments...'

Edward G Robinson is oneof the best old school actor folks never talk about.

I like him in Soylent Green

Then, of course, Little Caesar

He's annoying in Double Indemnity

Brother Orchid, though, is a sappy and bad movie.


pick'em

Old School Actor:

Humphery Bogart
Edward G Robinson
Cary Grant
Clint Eastwood
Paul Newman
Morgan Freeman (Shawshank is the best bromance ever!!!!!)
Charles Bronson

...me, I take Bogart. His work in The Petrified Forest and The African Queen is great stuff. Angels Have Dirty Faces is good, too.

If you like old movies...or would prefer to keep yakking about trade scenarios and whatnot.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 16, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Dude she was a cheerleader not a freakin lawyer/doctor

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 16, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I know. It's just funny, that's all I'm saying.

Posted by: swowra | April 16, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

'...YANKEES SUCK!'

They sure do, but the last time I checked, the Nationals are the ones down on their knees looking up Monica Lewinsky style.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 16, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Dude she was a cheerleader not a freakin lawyer/doctor

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 16, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I know. It's just funny, that's all I'm saying.

Posted by: swowra | April 16, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse
Agreed he even told her she was stupid

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 16, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Maybe he sees Vince Lombardi or George Allen and they talk to him? Who knows?

Posted by: periculum | April 16, 2009 3:41 PM

Maybe he sees Pete Carroll and Pete talks to him.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 16, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abu

props, that is funny

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 16, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Ha ha, yeah.

Sometimes it gets a bit serious up here in RI so I try to find anything Skins-related to lighten the mood.

Posted by: swowra | April 16, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

OK, everyone repeat after me:

"baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"

You are all sheep. Got it? This is smokescreen to pressure the Jets to trade up if Dirty (Sanchez) is still on the board at 13. Danimal and Vinchenzo are actually doing a smart thing here and trying to trade back for more picks.

Now, shhhhhh. Imagine that you never read this. Then start posting about how you really really want Dirty at QB. Maybe we can give this thing more legs.

Posted by: HenryHog | April 16, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

'...YANKEES SUCK!'


They sure do, but the last time I checked, the Nationals are the ones down on their knees looking up Monica Lewinsky style.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 16, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I'm an O's fan so at least until the break you can suck my butt! :)

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 16, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

"We know Danny is not happy with our current QB.

Put these facts together and its likely that its one of those smoke-fire things

Posted by: zcezcest1 "

you mean the current QB that Dan Snyder told all potential coaches that were interviewed that they HAD to use him as the starting QB?


I don't know where yall get some of this stuff. Dan Snyder told every coach that they had to start JC no questions asked, no competition.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 16, 2009

See the date on your post. Its 2009. Not 2008.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 16, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

moe, the wheels just fell off the bullpen...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 16, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"Madden retires from broadcasting; Collinsworth moves into booth"

Posted by: swowra | April 16, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

"This is smokescreen to pressure the Jets to trade up if Dirty (Sanchez) is still on the board at 13."

That doesn't make any sense. If the Skins are sending strong, very strong signals that they want Sanchez with #13, what do you think the Jets are going to do? You think they're going to sit there and say, "Here's the plan. The Redskins really want Sanchez, they'll likely pick him with their selection, so we'll just wait until the Redskins pick before we try and get him."

It's backwards logic. All sending signals out is ensuring that the Jets trade up HIGHER than the Redskins. (Of course, that could be the smokescreen in itself. Ensure that another team picks him before you so that you have a better chance at landing the guy you really want. Unlikely, though).

Posted by: psps23 | April 16, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Moe give me paul newman the sting, the hustler, buth an sundance. Never saw any of the movies with that robinson guy.

Go O's they can't pitch worth a darn but they can hit

Posted by: DG28 | April 16, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I think after draft day we will all be pleasantly surprised but it sure is fun stirring up the pot

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 16, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

hail2thechief

Bro' you sure are right.

The Yanks do suck.

Home opener, new stadium, and they let the Cleveland Redskins and Smilin' Joe put up 10 runs on their bullpen.

Moe is already on the Fire Joe G bandwagon: not!!!!!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 16, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe I am severely disappointed.

You even mentioned some of the movies this guy was in, yet you leave him off the list! HOW DARE YOU!


Best oldschool actor = Charlton motherfreaking Heston YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST FOLKS THANK YOU I'M OUTTA HERE YALL HAVE BEEN GREAT

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 16, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

on the actor question. give me Eastwood, Bronson with Freeman off the bench

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 16, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

hail2thechief

Bro' you sure are right.

The Yanks do suck.

Home opener, new stadium, and they let the Cleveland Redskins and Smilin' Joe put up 10 runs on their bullpen.

Moe is already on the Fire Joe G bandwagon: not!!!!!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 16, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Moe don't take it too hard. at least Burnett is slinging some heat. The O's bats are hot and they have a lot of speed at the top of the line up and can play some d. give us 2-3 years yet. Yanks will turn it around but still won't stop the D rays

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 16, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

hail

'...Hey, I'm an O's fan so at least until the break you can suck my butt! :)...'


You so funny :))))

Say: last pro baseball I saw live was the Orioles v Yanks in the old stadium (before Camden Yards) on a Saturday afternoon.

I sat in left field and watched Dave Winfield sag pop flies all day.

The game was on NBC.

I believe the Yanks lost 4-5, Rasmussen was pitching for us.

The O's have some good young pitching down on the farm.

A Jones is a killa on the outfield. N Markakis is also a stud.

I'm done for the day.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 16, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

moe, cc threw 122 threw 5 2/3rds.

I'd just be worried that given the state of the pen, he might feel the need to do more.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 16, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Dude. I have one word for you. Steelers' game. (Actually that is two words. My bad.) In that game Campbell was, in the words of Linda Richman "verklempt". Dick Lebeau's defense showed for all the world to see that he was a one trick pony.
Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 16, 2009

Some obvious points. The Steelers defense was the best in football. Second, the OL was completely exposed, both the running game and pass protection were pretty bad. Third (and often missed) Santana had strained his hammy in the prior game and he wasn't the same (for the rest of the year).

Lots of QBs struggled vs the Steelers. Philip Rivers had the #1 passer rating in football last season. vs the Steelers? 44. romo had a 44 rating. Cassel had a 39 rating.

You can use the Steelers to try to make a point, but in this case, it doesn't work very well

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 16, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Oooops, I should have said, '...last game I say live up north...'.

I've seen the Marlins play a bunch of National League squads in Miami.

Again: I'm out.

I got grass to go cut. ;)

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 16, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Peace Moe!

I try to take my girls to at least one O's game every season. I can usually get free tix and we make an overnight trip out of it. they are only 7-9 and not ready for Skins games yet

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 16, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Indians 10, Yankees 2...as a Red Sox fan up here in NE.. I am enjoying this Yankee stadium debut!! The curse of tearing down the house that Ruth built.
Cashman spends almost 500 million on starters and forgot about the bullpen.
If Yanks start to tank, and empty seats are in the new ballpark.. With that payroll, Steinbrenner may have to sell the team if they dont sell out at least half their games this year.
Sox were smart in keeping Fenway.. A quarter of the attendees are tourists.. The same at the old Yankee stadium.. And they show up no matter how much the team loses. They just want to see a living baseball museum.. Guaranteed cash flow.
Expensive new stadium and a billion dollar losing ballclub..Its going to get interesting..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 16, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Just like with Cutler the more JLC talks about the Skins moving up and taking Sanchez the better I feel that it won't go down. Please keep saying we are taking him.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage

JM, the sad part is the ONLY reason the Cutler trade did not happen was because the Broncos wanted Orton over Campbell - why I will never know but I'm glad that was the case. If not, Cutler would have been a Redskin.

Snyder does not care about anything or anyone....Vinny has absolutely no say and neither does Zorn who spent time reassuring Campbell. Snyder obviously loves making his coach,team, and fans look like fools.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 16, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

......... they are only 7-9 and not ready for Skins games yet

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 16, 2009 4:17 PM

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

neither was Zorn...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 16, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I really don't believe any of this stuff.

Is JLC gonna quit on draft day to hide his shame when one of this even comes close to happening?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 16, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Have to agree here. For once the FO is actually running a thick smoke screen. I think it's highly unlikely that Zorn would've told Campbell "you're my man" after the Cutler debacle, only to have the team turn around and actively pursue Sanchez. I know, Zorn is not officially involved in personnel decisions, but you cannot convince me that Snyder wants him to fail. Zorn biggest asset is QB development. I HAVE to believe that the one spot where they will defer to him is QB.

As I've been saying for days on this here blog rag, we will end up with an SEC OT - either Andre Smith, 'Bama or (more likely) Micchael Oher, Ole Miss.

HAIL

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 16, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Snyder does not care about anything or anyone....Vinny has absolutely no say and neither does Zorn who spent time reassuring Campbell. Snyder obviously loves making his coach,team, and fans look like fools.
Posted by: Lisa_R | April 16, 2009

I don't think the problem statement can be more concisely written.

Thank you.

Posted by: periculum | April 16, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Peace Moe!

I try to take my girls to at least one O's game every season. I can usually get free tix and we make an overnight trip out of it. they are only 7-9 and not ready for Skins games yet

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 16, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

please don't use "7-9"..."7 and 9 yrs old respectively" would be much better for us sensitive Skins fans that had to stomach JLC's prediction on the video clip :)

GO O'S!! It's gonna be an 80 win season at best but watch out once a couple of the stud arms in the farm develop. Our lineup is strong, and will be even stronger when Wieters comes up. I'm not sure Markaikis' contract status but they need to lock him (and Adam "Don't Call Me Pacman" Jones) up ASAP.

HAIL

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 16, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

but you cannot convince me that Snyder wants him to fail. Zorn biggest asset is QB development. I HAVE to believe that the one spot where they will defer to him is QB.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 16, 2009

If he's just an "interim" solution until Snyder can "land" the coach of his dreams? Perhaps he has found that person? Remember what he did to Norv who was not his coach? Marty? Who was someone he was "forced" to accept after the Norv debacle?

You aren't serious are you?


Posted by: periculum | April 16, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

2 #1s for sanchez? would he play better on the OL or DL?

i think the most pressing question 4 skins fans is: if you saw dan snyder choking, say his limo pulled up beside your bicycle and his window was down, would you save him?


Posted by: chris_zz | April 16, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Yes Johnny Mac, I am serious. Reasonable minds can disagree and I can certainly understand you're thesis that Snyder wants to land a "big tuna" (not THE Big Tuna, that'll sadly never happen). But I chose to believe that Snyder isn't using Zorn as a fall guy and, now that the Cutler Debacle (thankfully) failed, will give JZ at least 2 years with his guy (i.e., JC) at the helm before he calls it a failure.

Maybe I'm high and Snyder really is the anti-Christ. Lord knows there is plenty of empirical evidence. We'll see in about 9 days. In the meantime, we'll all act like we know what's up.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 16, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

all i'm just saying that it doesn't make a lot of sense is all.. Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 16, 2009

Neither did firing your head coach with your team still over .500, still not mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. But Snyder did it.

And the list goes ever on now doesn't it?

So, soon they forget.

Posted by: periculum | April 16, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

2 #1s for sanchez? would he play better on the OL or DL?

i think the most pressing question 4 skins fans is: if you saw dan snyder choking, say his limo pulled up beside your bicycle and his window was down, would you save him?

Posted by: chris_zz | April 16, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

My turn to play McEnroe- YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!!!

this would be a best case scenario...best case, opposite of WORST CASE scenario - i.e., that Danny really is the anti-Christ, thus making him an immortal, thus meaning he will torture Skins fans forever. It's like hell on Earth, only with fairly hot cheerleaders and $8 beers (I imagine they are $10 down below)

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 16, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Maybe I'm high and Snyder really is the anti-Christ. Lord knows there is plenty of empirical evidence. We'll see in about 9 days. In the meantime, we'll all act like we know what's up.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 16, 2009

No, I think its because you are relatively sane, clear headed and so find it hard to believe that a billionaire could be totally off his rocker. Its not like it hasn't happened before. Howard Hughes.

Posted by: periculum | April 16, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

yeah, I moved on from what 7, 8 years ago....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 16, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

With the first pick of the 2009 NFL Draft, the Detroit Lions select....folks, we have a trade. The Washington Redskins have traded their #13 first round draft pick along with next year's first round draft pick in exchange for Detroit's #1 overall draft pick.

With the first pick of the 2009 NFL Draft, the Washington Redskins select...Tyler Hansborough, Power Forward, University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill. Wait, what?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 16, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

fairly hot cheerleaders and $8 beers (I imagine they are $10 down below),

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 16, 2009

Cooley certainly has his priorities straight and they match yours. Can't disagree with them ...

especially the hot cheerleaders part.

nothing like the smell of a lovely fichetta in the morning ...


Posted by: periculum | April 16, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

peric, I hear you. your cynicism is easily understood. I'm just tryin to stay positive, which isn't easy. We just added the most dominant defensive player in the game to a Top 5 D. If we get a stud OT and one of the young WR's steps up, this team really could make things happen this year. Or we can rebuild with Sanchez and a shaky O-line. At some point logic or luck has to favor the prudent course of action??

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 16, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

if you ever get the chance, I highly recommend it. She wasn't nearly as hot as Cooley's but it's a great thing to have on the resume

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 16, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I'd sure be curious as to what Jim Zorn is saying to Jason Campbell this week.

POLL QUESTION:
Who will have more misfires?
1. Obama in trying to get a Secy of HHS approved.
2. Danny in trying to get a QB to replace Campbell.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 16, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Snyder does not care about anything or anyone....Vinny has absolutely no say and neither does Zorn who spent time reassuring Campbell. Snyder obviously loves making his coach,team, and fans look like fools.
Posted by: Lisa_R | April 16, 2009

I don't think the problem statement can be more concisely written.

Thank you.

Posted by: periculum | April 16, 2009 4:28 PM

Why do you two think Snyder "loves making people look like fools"? What is your basis for this conclusion?

I would have thought that what Snyder loves is running the team "his way" -- impulsively and with no consistent plan -- and that people "look like fools" as an unfortunate consequence or side effect, not a source of pleasure to him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 16, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Snyder does not care about anything or anyone....Vinny has absolutely no say and neither does Zorn who spent time reassuring Campbell. Snyder obviously loves making his coach,team, and fans look like fools.
Posted by: Lisa_R | April 16, 2009

I don't think the problem statement can be more concisely written.

Thank you.

Posted by: periculum | April 16, 2009 4:28 PM

Why do you two think Snyder "loves making people look like fools"? What is your basis for this conclusion?

I would have thought that what Snyder loves is running the team "his way" -- impulsively and with no consistent plan -- and that people "look like fools" as an unfortunate consequence or side effect, not a source of pleasure to him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 16, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Zorn and Vinny are both pawns for Dan. Zorn isnt asserting himself because he would never of gotten a Head Coaching position anywhere else.. A stop gap until a marquee coach is available that is willing to work for Snyder. Zorn does not make any personnel decisions.. Look at the cuts at the end of last preseason. Dan kept all of his draft picks.. And the players that really earned jobs, were released if they threatened to upstage a draft pick.
Vinny is a mid level Scout with a title of VP of personnel.. so Dan can continue as the unofficial "GM" ala "Jerry Jones" without league criticism.

Redskins fans are in Snickers He-ll.. Not going anywhere for awhile..

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but you cannot convince me that Snyder wants him to fail. Zorn biggest asset is QB development. I HAVE to believe that the one spot where they will defer to him is QB.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 16, 2009

If he's just an "interim" solution until Snyder can "land" the coach of his dreams? Perhaps he has found that person? Remember what he did to Norv who was not his coach? Marty? Who was someone he was "forced" to accept after the Norv debacle?

You aren't serious are you?


Posted by: periculum | April 16, 2009 4:31 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 16, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

"And the players that really earned jobs, were released if they threatened to upstage a draft pick. "


wow, really?


Like who?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 16, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

if the Redskins were not going to enter 2009 with Campbell at quarterback and were going to start all over again with another player, then why invest all that money up front in Albert Haynesworth?

Haynesworth is an acquisition you make to improve your team for NOW not for the future.

Trading two #1 picks for Sanchez still leaves the Redskins having to break in a rookie passer with only 16 career starts in college and with big holes on the offensive and defensive lines.

If this scenario plays out my wager is the Redskins won't win more than 6 or 7 games in 2009.

For all those that point to Matt Cassel and his lack of experience in college remember also that Bill Bellichick had him on the bench for over 2 years learning the system before he was called upon to play.

He knew the offense and the players.

Posted by: leopard09 | April 16, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Why would any team show their cards before draft day, and why would they show them to a member of the press?

Posted by: clark202 | April 16, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I hate Dan Snyder

Posted by: littlejohn6971 | April 16, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

This Sanchez thing is a late April fools joke right?

If they pick him, guys get ready for another two years of grooming a QB and then we will dump him and start again.

Posted by: Redskins001 | April 16, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leopard09 | April 16, 2009

You are asking all the right questions. I think JLaC and company are trying to ascertain the right answers.

It call lead to the conclusion that Snyder is certifiable.

Posted by: periculum | April 16, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I forgot then we will dump Zorn and hire another coach the next year.. i wish we could vote snyder out. Thats the change I want.

Posted by: Redskins001 | April 16, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

leopard09 -- your 4:56 post makes a lot of sense.

Still, there is more to the picture -- including Vinny and Zorn racing to protect their jobs as best as they can. Vinny's protection leaves Zorn highly exposed and Campbell gone.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 16, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

If they pick him, guys get ready for another two years of grooming a QB and then we will dump him and start again.

Posted by: Redskins001 | April 16, 2009

Its why Gibbs signed Brunell and picked Campbell with Ramsey on board. To end that vicious circle ... the same one that followed G. Preston Marshall. Seemed like he picked a QB in the first round every other year ... even though they had Sammy Baugh ... never got them anywhere ... and they did the same thing with Sonny ... drafting a Gary Beban in the 1st round.

The thing you describe never, ever works. The Patriots draft QB's and train them, groom them.

Neither Tom Brady, nor Matt Cassel were 1st round picks. Brady managed to unseat a first rounder in Drew Bledsoe.

Sanchez is not a 1st round QB, especially a college junior with a weak arm. Neither is Stafford. This is not the draft to pick QBs.

Posted by: periculum | April 16, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

If we draft Sanchez I'm done... thats it i quit being a skins fan... I can't take this anymore, snyder does not know how to run a franchise and vinny is such a owners boy (I guess thats the most PC way of saying it...)
We have so many other needs and to be honest I think Campbell could be a decent qb, he has the talent we just need to let him develop and make sure that he isn't running for his life every single play... How can we expect anyone, even AMAZING Mark Sanchez to be a good qb with an oline that features 50 year olds Jon Jansen, Randy Thomas, and Casey Rabach, and 40 year old Chris Samuels... while I love Jon Jansen and I am sorry this is how things worked out for him.. he's done and shouldn't be playing anymore... we need a replacement, Rabach is terrible and Thomas is already past his last leg...
Its not fair to judge Campbell when we don't have anyone to protect him... Thus, if we take Sanchez thats it... I quit I'm done and I'll just have to find a new team because it will be the most retarded move we've made in the last 10 years... and yes I am saying that and I will stick to it... retarded

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 16, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

If we're trading up to #3, we should be drafting Aaron Curry for SAM.

Posted by: TDawg1 | April 16, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

"And the players that really earned jobs, were released if they threatened to upstage a draft pick. "


wow, really?


Like who?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 16, 2009 4:52 PM |

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One example of a few..
Billy McMillen, Equaled Devin Thomas' complete 16 game yardage output in just 4 games before he was injured. Re-signed with Seattle for 09. If Dan hadnt picked 2 WR's in the draft, do you think he would of cut a free agent WR playing for the minimum salary and leading the league in receptions at the end of preseason?


These picks were all Dan's for the first time in a long time.. (no Gibbs control). All knowledgeable sports writers were shocked the Skins kept the full 08 Draft..
Thats why I think Campbell was also dangled for a 2nd Round pick in the Cutler attempt.. Campbell is a Gibbs guy.. I bet he is gone in a trade before or on the day of the upcoming Draft. That bridge is burned.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 16, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Drafting Sanchez would be a retarted disaster.

Posted by: BMACattack

Oh man! You just went and insulted retards!

Posted by: tripz | April 16, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

One thing The Truth cannot do any more is dispute his status as a regular.

And please, Charlton Heston? You continue to demonstrate your rather plebian tastes in Sports and Entertainment figures.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | April 16, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I posted this yesterday, but in light of recent "developments" (i.e. rumours of TRADING UP to get Sanchez), I thought that it was worth putting up again. Yesterday, I was pissed. Today, I'm feeling that, if they DO trade up, I'm breaking out the old flame thrower and headed for Redskins Park.
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Being a forty (plus) years fan of the Redskins, I've become, oh, let's say, "disenchanted" with the BS coming out of the FO. If these dip weasels would open their eyes for ten frakin' seconds, they'd see that we're a "few" pieces away!

Get an OT! Get an OLB! Get a DE! Then NEXT year (if Campbell still hasn't found his groove) go after a QB (or start Brennan). Then pick up a RB, CB and more OL.

I'm sick of this nickel & dime, fantasy football crud! This is a PRO TEAM! MY TEAM! The FAN's TEAM! You "own" it Snyder Beeotch, but the team belongs to US! Over the years, through all the highs and lows, we've paid for it with blood, sweat and tears. All the while, padding the pockets of Napoleonic little owners like you, in the hopes that you'll come to your senses (that, of course, would insinuate that you HAVE sense) and field a legitimate product for the consumer (that's US, butt-munch) that's worthy of our admiration and hard-earned money. Catch a clue, pull your head out of your Cerrato and do what's RIGHT for the team...not what YOU think is popular.

The soapbox is clear...Triplz has left the building...


Posted by: tripz | April 15, 2009 4:48 PM

Posted by: tripz | April 16, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Moe,

Gunga Din keeps Cary Grant in the discussion but my write-in vote goes to Gary Cooper. He was old school back when the school was a k-12 shack with a corn cob next to the hole in the ground out back!

Posted by: will_ga | April 16, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Bogart or Newman.

Bogart
from the Maltese Falcon
'was there any truth in that yarn you just told me?'
'A little, not much'

Newman for Cool Hand Luke and The Sting

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 16, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

yeah, but it's best to not describe something as retarded if you can't spell the word

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | April 16, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

If we're trading up to #3, we should be drafting Aaron Curry for SAM.

Posted by: TDawg1

hark, do I hear another voice for Curry? If I add that one to all the other voices like me that want Curry, I think we're up to 2.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 16, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Count me in...make that 3 (IF we're trading up, that would be the guy to do it for).

Posted by: tripz | April 16, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

No way Redskins should trade up for anyone.
I would not mine them trading down for extra picks.

Posted by: jmy999 | April 16, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

This is going to come across as racist. I want to preface by stating I am not a racist, but here goes.

I am just curious how many great (white) outside linebackers have there been in the NFL? I bring this up because it is assumed by many that Cushing will be a distince possibility at the #13 spot. I personally feel Muauluga will be an outstanding player and would prefer that choice.

Offhand, I can only think of a few good outside linebackers that fit the bill. Clay Matthews sr.? Jack Del Rio?? It would appear to me that (white) linebackers are usually relegated to the middle spot.

Just wanted to put it out there.

Posted by: gallrick | April 16, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

whoa!!! me tripz and tdawg on the trade up for Curry bandwagon. Cuz if you have 3, that's enough for a bandwagon, right?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 16, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

3 is more of a cart than a wagon. Now, if you can get to five, that's worthy of a wagon but I'd say you need ten before there is any need to include a band.

Posted by: will_ga | April 16, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Offhand, I can only think of a few good outside linebackers that fit the bill. Clay Matthews sr.? Jack Del Rio?? It would appear to me that (white) linebackers are usually relegated to the middle spot.

Just wanted to put it out there.

Posted by: gallrick | April 16, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Kevin Greene of the Rams, Steelers, and Panthers was a darn good OLB.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 16, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Was Greeene really a linebacker or a glorified pass rusher? I know he was lousy in coverage.

Posted by: gallrick | April 16, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Was Greeene really a linebacker or a glorified pass rusher? I know he was lousy in coverage.

Posted by: gallrick | April 16, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

He was a bonefied OLB. His forte was rushing the passer though.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 16, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Jack Ham was good. I believe he was outside.

Posted by: will_ga | April 16, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Z,

You can count me in for Curry. But only because I would rather have him than Sanchez.

And this might sound crazy but what if we did trade up with the Seahawks with our 1st this and next year. then we threaten to take Sanchez and force the jets to give up more than what we gave up (their 1st 3 picks? or some combo). And if they don't take us up than we could take either Eugene Monroe or Curry if he is still there.

Posted by: theFreshinAU | April 16, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Yes...Ham was good...but we are counting these type of linebackers on one hand. Just wanting to bring to light how rare this Cushing kid is.

Posted by: gallrick | April 16, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Yes...Ham was good...but we are counting these type of linebackers on one hand. Just wanting to bring to light how rare this Cushing kid is.

Posted by: gallrick | April 16, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

That was in college. No telling if he'll be great in the pros

Posted by: ga8085 | April 16, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Google "Orakpo" and "bust"

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | April 16, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse


The Trade Up For Curry Cart (not quite yet a bandwagon):
tripz
tdawg
theFreshinAU
zeke

1 more and we're a wagon, 6 more and we're a full fledged bandwagon (thanks for clarifying that, will_ga)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 16, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Read about Cushing's dramatic physical appearance change over the summer of his 10th grade year. Many thought steroids but friends said he'd never cheat.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/128005-2009-nfl-draft-player-profile-usc-linebacker-brian-cushing-the-bergen-bulldog


Wasn't he on the potential positives list for steroids from the combine? Was that story ever retracted?

Posted by: will_ga | April 16, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

From Elfin: Redskins will experiment with moving backup tackle Lorenzo Alexander to end and reserve end Chris Wilson to linebacker....

I wonder why Lo would be tried at end rather than O-line? Maybe that means they are going to DRAFT o-line!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A guy can dream can't he....

Posted by: will_ga | April 16, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Are you saying all the best linebackers are African American? You racist bastard!

just kidding

Posted by: Tyler84101 | April 16, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Just say no to dirty Sanchez. I'll say it again it was when samuels went down in the lions game that are OL started looking real bad because then we didn't have a strong side to lean to. If we are willing to take the chance he will be healthy all year we don't have to draft OL, just train some late rounders. SO it's not all doom and gloom if we trade are pick and get a Curry Or Boldin.
Chris Samuels for HOF

Posted by: DG28 | April 16, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Put me on the wagon Curry in 09

Posted by: DG28 | April 16, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Saw Cooley's video.. torn meniscus twice..same knee...Then says he can go for about 10 plays and "something happens".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EgrhZYKhbs&feature=pyv&ad=3570889308&kw=redskins

should anyone be worried..?? His TD production went down from 7 per year to 1 last year.. But that would appear to be Campbell's red zone problems.. Because he had the highest yardage ever in his career.

Is that really a photo over his fireplace with him and his wife ala natural??

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 16, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

The Trade Up For Curry Wagon:
tripz
tdawg
theFreshinAU
zeke
DG28

We're up to 5, which means we've graduated from cart to wagon. 5 more and we're a full fledged bandwagon.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 16, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

the Cooley vid was pretty good. Noticed the knee comment as well. News to me. Pretty sure its Chris and the wife in that first photo -- cuz if it was Chris and not the wife, well ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 16, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

How can the Redskins afford paying Sanchez if they trade up to get him? Isn't there this little thing called a salary cap that they are very close to exceeding? I don't see it. I know Dan Snyder is not known for employing logic or common sense but I think this time even he will have to bow to the cap impact. Maybe they can afford paying number 13, or maybe they trade down to get more affordable picks. I think this team needs to go offensive line and linebackers all in the top of the draft, and then hope for a little 2nd day magic in picking a defensive end, running back and cornerback.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 16, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

I believe Sanchez will be cheaper than Cutler. And if there is a blockbuster trade to get Sanchez, who knows what cap relief will result?
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How can the Redskins afford paying Sanchez if they trade up to get him? Isn't there this little thing called a salary cap that they are very close to exceeding? I don't see it. I know Dan Snyder is not known for employing logic or common sense but I think this time even he will have to bow to the cap impact. Maybe they can afford paying number 13, or maybe they trade down to get more affordable picks. I think this team needs to go offensive line and linebackers all in the top of the draft, and then hope for a little 2nd day magic in picking a defensive end, running back and cornerback.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 16, 2009 6:51 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 16, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Z,
So you're saying trade up for Curry?


[sound of distant drum beats]

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 16, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

That video with cooley is funny, and yeah i think that is him and his wife. I can only hope I could find a girl that good looking at my first job.

Posted by: theFreshinAU | April 16, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Snyder is an incredibly bad GM.

Posted by: jjredskins | April 16, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Trade down, pretzel boy, trade down.

You have a #13 pick.

We desperately need bodies up in here... (OL, DB, RB, DE.)

Say no to Sanchez.
Say no to Orapko.
Say no to Cushing.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 16, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

So Snyderrato meets with JC to 'clear the air', and turns around to chase the next shiny object of his eye? I'm praying the team rallies around JC this year, and with the fortune of good health he performs well even if they draft Sanchez, ups his trade value and punches outta' here. This two-headed beast has no sense of long term growth or commitment, and have 15 years of evidence to prove it.

Deadskins, not Redskins; SOMEONE PLEASE BUY THIS TEAM.

Posted by: pdfordiii | April 16, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

We lost two draft picks to Bill Parcells in the Jason Taylor debacle of a deal.

We need to recoup our losses.

Plus, there is no consensus pick for that #13 spot; none.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 16, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Finding a gem like Horton in the 7th round is proof positive that 1st round picks are a waste.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 16, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't be totally against Sanchez, but not to move up to get him. I wonder if LaCanfora peddles this stuff just the show up the FO.

The backstory is that teams don't want Campbell.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 16, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

QUESTION FOR REDSKINS FANS

If you had a choice between picking Mark Sanchez this year and waiting until next year to pick Sam Bradford, What will you do?

Posted by: Ejayraptor | April 16, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

The more I see of the Danny.. the more I believe in that old management adage..
>Hire smarter people than you, if want to succeed as a Manager.

What Dan's fragile Ego forces him to do, is to hire weaker personnel.. Vinny (a Scout, who never had any GM experience) And, Zorn, a Head Coach without any experience as an Off Coord or Def Coord.

Viola..Dan's in "Yes Men Heaven" no one will tell him or his Ego what to do.. No more Marty's or Norv's standing up to him.

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Zorn and Vinny are both pawns for Dan. Zorn isnt asserting himself because he would never of gotten a Head Coaching position anywhere else.. A stop gap until a marquee coach is available that is willing to work for Snyder. Zorn does not make any personnel decisions.. Look at the cuts at the end of last preseason. Dan kept all of his draft picks.. And the players that really earned jobs, were released if they threatened to upstage a draft pick.
Vinny is a mid level Scout with a title of VP of personnel.. so Dan can continue as the unofficial "GM" ala "Jerry Jones" without league criticism.

Redskins fans are in Snickers He-ll.. Not going anywhere for awhile..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 16, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Well, we don't really know who's available at #13 until next Saturday.

Until then, its just Babble On.

There are three basic strategies:

1) BAP - Best Available Player (risk adjusted, cause no one wants to be the one that selected a bust). This strategy adopts a long-range approach to building the team.

2) Need - Hey, we can't agree on what the position of greatest need is, so how can the FO? This strategy is based on the assumption that most of the personnel needs are taken care of and the team is one or two players away from a Championship.

3) Whim - This may be what we go with (Think "shiny trinket" Cork). This strategy is based on...okay, you got me, it's not a strategy at all. But it says, "Look at me, I call the shots."

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 16, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

neither. IMO Bradford played in a conference with no defense and an offense that does not translate well into the nfl (the spread no huddle pass happy offense),

Posted by: theFreshinAU | April 16, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

QUESTION FOR REDSKINS FANS

Wait till next year just to make sure Campbell needs to be replaced. If this year goes wrong we take a torch to the offense & coaching staff then rebuild on top of the ashes with a new foundation & lots of cool toys for Danny to play with.

Posted by: will_ga | April 16, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is a restricted FA next year so there is no trade value after this season. They can match any offers or not. Any trade value, should the Skins actually move up to get Sanchez, would be this year. My guess though is if they can't make a trade they just release him and start the new guy.

Posted by: elkiii_2008 | April 16, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

wonder why Lo would be tried at end rather than O-line? Maybe that means they are going to DRAFT o-line!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A guy can dream can't he....

Posted by: will_ga | April 16, 2009 6:34 PM


From what I understand, he has shorter than ideal arm length for the OL.

Posted by: TWISI | April 16, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Z,
So you're saying trade up for Curry?


[sound of distant drum beats]

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 16, 2009 6:56 PM

Feel free to join up. will_ga says it takes 10 to get us a bandwagon and we're halfway there

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 16, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

The draft is speculative.

The more picks you have, the more likely your chances of finding a keeper.

Trade down.

Ride JC for another year; see what happens. and give Colt a long look in preseason.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 16, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

There is no one position that will be the difference maker for the Skins next year.

We need help in many areas.

Sanchez would fare no better than Jay Cutler would have with the lack of depth, age, and rate of attrition that plagues our offensive line and unfathomable lack of a pass rush.


Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 16, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe no wants on the Chris Samuels HOF bandwagon. He's only the best lineman we've seen since the hogs, was the reason guys like Stephan Davis, Portis makes there milions, when healthy never gave up sacks. and IS the BEST PLAYER ON THE SKINS. You guys call yourself fans to shame I say!

Posted by: DG28 | April 16, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

0 - the number of games I will watch if we draft Mark Sanchez.

Posted by: bizzleboy | April 16, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

The draft is speculative. YES

The more picks you have, the more likely your chances of finding a keeper. NO

Trade down. NOOOOOO!

Ride JC for another year; see what happens. YES

and give Colt a long look in preseason. WHY NOT

Posted by: Chia_Pet

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 16, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

I looked at that Captain Chaos vid... and God bless our killer TE, but you can hear the wind howlin' thru the head of that wife of his... There's plenty of extra storage space in there.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 16, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Thats why I think you will see Dan try to trade Campbell this year..

If he doesnt trade Campbell for a better Draft position in the next few days to get Sanchez etc... Dan may have to wait for a team in contention to lose their starting QB before the October trading deadline. In such an event, he will get more value for Campbell.. And then have additional picks to go for the huge QB class of 2010.

Bottom line, Snyder wants a return on his JC investment. An investment of 3 Picks AND a First Round selection in 2005 which never even got the team into the Playoffs. So, next year, as he will get nothing for Campbell as a FA..

Its gonna happen this year.. bye JC.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Campbell is a restricted FA next year so there is no trade value after this season. They can match any offers or not. Any trade value, should the Skins actually move up to get Sanchez, would be this year. My guess though is if they can't make a trade they just release him and start the new guy.

Posted by: elkiii_2008 | April 16, 2009 7:19 PM |

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 16, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

How much longer will JLC be employed? He never has any solid inside info until after the fact and I am sick of his negativity and ridiculous scenarios. Its like reading the National Enquirer everyday! He should go write for daytime soap operas and let a real fan do the job

Posted by: sean-sean17 | April 16, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

And to piggy back off of ajian1; Gibbs was the one in love with JC17. I think Snyder just came along for the ride.

History. We are living in it. Now acknowledge it.

Posted by: 4thFloor

There's a few flaws in your "history" argument, fellas. You say Snyder never moves u, so histiry shows he wont 'move up to grab Sanchez.

How many times in the past had he used three draft picks to pick receivers in the second round?

The key thing to remember about Snyder, IMO is history shows us he is a marketing expert, not a football expert.

Now his franchise has become widely disrespected, his name most often mentioned in the company not of the Krafts and Halases and Rooneys, but with Donald Sterling, owner of the LA Clippers. But as Sterling also demonstrates, worse than being thought a fool is being ignored.

So Snyder dances with the one that brung him--THAT'S his hostroy. He has four picks, he's out of the spotlight, only something spectacular can bring the spotlight back.

So what if it damages the redskins as a football team, it will increase the team's visibility and market value if he drafts Sanchez.

That will last until Sanchez flops this Fall or gets squished like a bug due to the aging O-line Snyder has ignored.

Still, I'm not sure the deal can be made without too much cost.

Snyder got a taste of the Fan's Nasty when he became a laughing stock for offering two #1s for Ocho Cinco.

Other teams--headed by football men, can smell his fear. The cost may be too much even for him.

Posted by: TheCork | April 16, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Samuels will get Hall consideration. I don't think he'll make it, a few other guys seem to be in front of him, notably Ogden, Pace. Still, he shouldn't be snubbed the way Jacoby has been. At least Grimm has made it into the room. But I am totally on board with the Hall having an anti-Skins bias. Just way too much evidence of that.

next Skin going into the Hall? Chris Hanburger on the old timer side of things. He deserves to be on an upcoming ballot. Jerry Smith deserves a vote as well, the TE of that era that are in were not better than him.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 16, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

There is no one position that will be the difference maker for the Skins next year.

We need help in many areas.
...
Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 16, 2009 7:32 PM |
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I disagree. We had a good defense last year, and we added to it with A. Haynesworth on the line, easily its weakest link.

J. Campbell has improved every year since he was drafted.

One quality starter from the draft on the O.L. could make a huge difference, along with just one of the 3 rookie pass catchers stepping up this year.

I'd love to see this guy in Burgundy and Gold.

P.S. Mack, arguably the best center prospect in 25 years, could continue the tradition of great centers in Pittsburgh, picking up where Mike Webster, Dermontti Dawson and Jeff Hartings left off.

P.P.S. I noticed someone earlier today made the same points up thread. Too wiped out from work to look. *sniff*
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 16, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

How much longer will JLC be employed? He never has any solid inside info until after the fact and I am sick of his negativity and ridiculous scenarios. Its like reading the National Enquirer everyday! He should go write for daytime soap operas and let a real fan do the job

Posted by: sean-sean17

Drop off your resume, hot shot. But guys like you who waste reader's time and increase RI's posting count by rippjng its paid staff are a dime a dozen and too clueless to be considered.

Sorry if that hurt your feelings. If you had the gig--fat chance--you'd have to get used to the insults yourself.

Posted by: TheCork | April 16, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Finding a gem like Horton in the 7th round is proof positive that 1st round picks are a waste.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 16, 2009 7:06 PM

I'll believe that when we find a gem like Sean Taylor in the 7th round.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 16, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Zeke
I never understood how Jacoby didn't make it. Art Monk should have been first ballot. If it wasn't for green going the same year he probably would still be waiting. Your right about Ogden and Pace they won super bowls Samuels has not but those two are done If CS plays a few more years he will have had longer career maybe if the skins can get him to the bowl he would get a nod. But I just wanted to throw it out there.
I'm to young to have seen Smith or Hanburger play so I'd have to take you at your word.

Posted by: DG28 | April 16, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

A smart person reads between the lines.

When FA started, the team went out and got Dock and Haynesworth: that's a guard and tackle.

About a month ago, the skins resigned Wynn, Daniels, and has stated its desire to see R Jackson on the field: that's de-end

Some time thereafter, we heard C Wilson was looking fine at slb and then the team added R Thomas: that's two linebackers.

The team chased the bears for Cutler, and exposed its desire to the world for a more dynamic passer.

Let's see: they added, guard, defensive tackle/end, linebacker, and want a quarterback.

And the team has stated its trust in S Heyer, no matter hat the bloggas think and feel.

And if the guy they want--Sanchez--is gone, why add players of a type you've already added or have faith in?

That makes this blogga comeback full circle to a post from a few weeks ago--it might be that the best player availiable from the skins' pov--provided they can't trade out of round 1-- is a cornerback:

M Jenkins
A Smith

This seems very likely.

When you read between the lines.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 16, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Why do you two think Snyder "loves making people look like fools"? What is your basis for this conclusion?

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Whoa, wait just a durn minute, T_E... Nobody said nothin' about having to have a basis for our conclusions here on RI.

Just what is YOUR basis for concluding that it's time for us to start?

Turn in your Bluebook to the proctor and include your worksheets, too.

Posted by: TheCork | April 16, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Our O.L. is still very old, though, MistaMoe.

I wish it were not so.

This bit us on the behind big time last year.

It could easily do it again. Is Snyder incapable of learning from experience?

I guess we are going to see.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 16, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

'...How much longer will JLC be employed?'


I dunno.

His work in the video they supply with his posting occasionally is national commercial television exposure quality.

I can see him standing next to Jared in a Subway commercial dropping juicy hints like: "Say, my sources and various agents all say I really am about as charismatic as a roll of Charmin toilet paper. And that I serve about the same function as doo-doo paper in my real life."

If he gets a job saying stuff like that publicly, he'll have a customer here always.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 16, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

This seems very likely.

When you read between the lines.

Posted by: MistaMoe

You reading between the lines, or snorting them?

Posted by: TheCork | April 16, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Move up for Curry!! thats six

Posted by: amsaul | April 16, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Mrs. CC47

A fetching lass, tho, no doubt at all.

Posted by: daggar | April 16, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

'...Our O.L. is still very old, though, MistaMoe.'

No disagreement here, my thunderous friend.

I think, though, we have gotten so wedded to the thirteenth pick, round one, we forget we can also find a quality tackle or center or guard in round 3.

And why are we so certain that Stephon Heyer won't go for it, and play in a way where he can get 'shown the money', too?

And we also forget that maybe Rhino may be slaving away somewhere out of view making himself ready to back up Thomas and Dock: it's his second year too, ya know.

You see, I'm an optimist by nature, cynic by habit.

And I because of this, I honestly feel the team will screw up whatever picks they make- and I'll be happy they did.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 16, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

What's the fastest growing ethnic group in the country? Has there ever been a Hispanic starting NFL QB? How many Jerseys do you think he could sell? Mega, mega cash. Not to mention selling out a preseason Skins Cowboys game in Mexico city or thereabouts.

Posted by: will_ga | April 16, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

TheCork

'...You reading between the lines, or snorting them?'


Actually, I'm freebasing all of my posts from today.

And when I run out of money, I'll go trickin' along the avenue, 'cuz sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

Anybody got twenty bucks and a condom?

(INSERT image of crackhoe Moe smiling a rotten gap tooth smile through a drawn down passenger side car window.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 16, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

She can fetch beers, I reckon.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 16, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't want to task her with much more than that (except for the obvious).

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 16, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Why do you two think Snyder "loves making people look like fools"? What is your basis for this conclusion?

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Whoa, wait just a durn minute, T_E... Nobody said nothin' about having to have a basis for our conclusions here on RI.

Just what is YOUR basis for concluding that it's time for us to start?

Turn in your Bluebook to the proctor and include your worksheets, too.

Posted by: TheCork | April 16, 2009 8:03 PM

These were trick questions I was asking, but they saw right through the trick and moved on to the next question. Hell, I was interested to see what answer they might have so that I could use it some time if it was any good.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 16, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe, I am hoping Stephon Heyer improves his run blocking technique and becomes a legitimate starter at right tackle, along with having already proven that he is a quality backup at both tackle positions.

However, the idea that everybody from the over 30 class is going to rejuvenate and have injury free, productive seasons is not realistic.

It's far more likely that more of these senior citizens will have problems like Chris Samuels and Jon Jansen and such as did last year.

And that's reality. Successful teams plan for it.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 16, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Moe
I agree with you on everything but a corner back at 13. I think they get a young DE just to back up and groom. The only person on the coaching staff whose job is safe is Blache and whats his specialty Dline. I think this dudes behind the scenes going look at the giants they won with just a DL hence the Haynsworth signing and Hence the drop of taylor (to soft on the run and didn't want to practice)

Posted by: DG28 | April 16, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

I think this is the year we find out if Bugel Is still a great coach ie if Stephon Heyer becomes a starter and when Thomas goes down (and he will but hopefully for just a game or two) Is rinehart worth a dam. And if hes still the Bugel of old he saves Zorn and Cambells job!

With C.Sam in the lineup 6-2 without 2-6
I repeat C.Sam for HOF

Posted by: DG28 | April 16, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Q: How many people are on the "No Way in Hell Should We Mortgage Next Year's Draft Picks, and Ignore Improving the OT Position This Year, to Move Up to Draft Curry Bandwagon"?

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 16, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

I hope the other GM's save the day by not dealing us their picks.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 16, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Q: How many people are on the "No Way in Hell Should We Mortgage Next Year's Draft Picks, and Ignore Improving the OT Position This Year, to Move Up to Draft Curry Bandwagon"?

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 16, 2009 8:29 PM
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Hail!

I live on that Bandwagon.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 16, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Anyone see the article in the times talking about Randy Thomas injury last year. Apperently dude could have been paralyzed if he got hit the wrong way but decided to play anyway. Article said it brought Bugel to tears since he was such a warrior. Now Thomas had surgey and said hes squatting more than ever.

Interesting I didn't realize his injuryy was that major. And somebody should tell Bugel theres no crying in football!!

Posted by: DG28 | April 16, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Q: "....to Move Up to Draft Curry Bandwagon"?
Posted by: chasgiffen | April 16, 2009 8:29

From 2003-08 we had 33 picks. Seven fewer than ANY other team. Keep our future 1st * 2nd rd picks & stop the madness.

Posted by: will_ga | April 16, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

There have been rumors about Orakpo going later than mock drafts have suggested for a few months, even suggestions that the Skins were looking at him at 13 on that basis. There are doubts about how instinctive he is and athleticism vs football skills, and the only other team that's been rumored with a Orakpo lean is Cleveland. Since the gholston comparison is probably a good one and Mangini had that experience first-hand, I'd be surprised if Cleveland took him. After that he could easily fall out of the top 10. However, it's not clear to me where he fits on a team that has a RDE in Andre Carter and wasn't willing to move him to accommodate jason taylor.

Posted by: beatkal | April 16, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm on the If snyders gonna trade up I want Curry not dirty sanchez wagon.

Posted by: DG28 | April 16, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Excellent! 3 on the No Way in Hell Bandwagon so far.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 16, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

... Interesting I didn't realize his injuryy was that major. And somebody should tell Bugel theres no crying in football!!

Posted by: DG28 | April 16, 2009 8:37 PM |

Hey. Don't be sounding on Buges. The dude has had more than his share of problemos recently.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 16, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Seriously nothing will ever change with this team until we get a real GM and someone with real football knowledge. Vinny and Dan do not count sadly.

Posted by: longsufferingskinsfan | April 16, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Anybody got twenty bucks and a condom?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 16, 2009 8:16 PM

Your post needs an additional word and a word needs additional letters:

Anybody got twenty "million" bucks and a condom"inium"?

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 16, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Has there ever been a Hispanic starting NFL QB?


Jim Plunkett?

Tom Flores?

Juan Valdez?? (no, he picked coffee, he didn't throw picks.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 16, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

From the NYT:
"Madden Decides to Put Down His Microphone
By RICHARD SANDOMIR
Published: April 16, 2009
John Madden retired from calling professional football on Wednesday, leaving a craft that he revolutionized for 30 years with a coach's eye, a collection of comic book sound effects and a refined taste for Thanksgiving turducken."
Jeepers creepers! A reporter from the Times using a cussword that wouln't be allowed on RI!

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 16, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Juan Elwayo

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 16, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Q: How many people are on the "No Way in Hell Should We Mortgage Next Year's Draft Picks, and Ignore Improving the OT Position This Year, to Move Up to Draft Curry Bandwagon"?

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 16, 2009 8:29 PM
===========================================
Hail!

I live on that Bandwagon.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 16, 2009 8:34 PM |

I just bought a first class ticket.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 16, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

4 on the "No Way in Hell Should We Mortgage Next Year's Draft Picks, and Ignore Improving the OT Position This Year, to Move Up to Draft Curry Bandwagon" already!

We're gonna need a bigger wagon. Madden's is up for sale...

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 16, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

I just bought a first class ticket.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 16, 2009 9:05 PM

If you can't go first class, don't go at all. Do you get double frequent wagon points?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 16, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Let's put all the emotions aside for a moment and let me offer some perspective on this team...

Since Snyder took over we have had three playoff apperances and two wins...I am not a homer nor a hater, but let's look at the facts.

1) There has never seemed to be a real plan, even when Gibbs was here.

2) I think of all Snyder's mistakes, I think letting Schottenheimer go after one season was a biggie. This team was on the come and we cleared a lot of bad players and cap space.

3) Gibbs 2.0 was more bust than boom. Gibbs navigated us to two playoff appearances and through the ST tradgedy, but Gibbs devalued draft picks and did not invest in young players. We're still paying for it. He only started Campbell when Brunell absolutely could not play any more.

4) Because the owner has made many mistakes, he will never be able to please the fans. For example, we screamed about not investing in the defensive line. We go get the Defensive Player of the Year in his prime, but some say we need to groom the next Albert Haynesworth. No disrespect, but Golston and Montgomery strike no fear in RB's.

5) They should stick with Campbell another year, BUT I am not totally opposed to drafting Sanchez if he fell to us. Fans argue the right points but for the wrong reasons. We shouldn't pass on Sanchez just to appease Campbell. Campbell has to produce and he's a grown man. You pass on Sanchez if you truly think JC is a franchise QB or has the potential to be. I've heard countless fans express disappointment in JC, and now we're in love with him...c'mon.

5) Finally, they must stay the course with Zorn. I think this guy needs some time.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 16, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

If you can't go first class, don't go at all. Do you get double frequent wagon points?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 16, 2009 9:12 PM
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Is this anger and bargaining?

Which stagecoach are you on, t_e?
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 16, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

DG28

'....I think they get a young DE just to back up and groom...'

That's:

Jackson--LSU
Maybin--Penn State
Orakpo--Texas
Ayres--UTENN

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 16, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Yes, frequent rider points are awarded for distance traveled on this bandwagon, and are redeemable for Redskinette rides. It's a Snyderrific promotional special!

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 16, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Hey. Don't be sounding on Buges. The dude has had more than his share of problemos recently.

Posted by: AntonChigurh

I'm not busting on him just wanted there to be post quoting someone besides mel kiper or someone from espn as alot are want to do here. the quote seemed apropriate here how about this one "working for snyder is like a box of chocalates you never what your gonna get"

Problemo solved

Posted by: DG28 | April 16, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

thunder

'...It's far more likely that more of these senior citizens will have problems like Chris Samuels and Jon Jansen and such as did last year....'

I hear you.

If there is a higher power, he'll make sure 4 of the 5 picks we have are need picks.

I think, again, folks are so focused on 13 they forget we do have some options and given the depth of offensive line players, 4 picks based on need at that position alone should give us two legit back ups.

I would think.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 16, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Q: How many people are on the "No Way in Hell Should We Mortgage Next Year's Draft Picks, and Ignore Improving the OT Position This Year, to Move Up to Draft Curry Bandwagon"?

Posted by: chasgiffen

Its a cart until you get to 5. Then its a wagon. You get to add the band at 10.

There are 6 on The Trade Up For Curry Wagon:
tripz
tdawg
theFreshinAU
zeke
DG28
amsaul

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 16, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm not busting on him just wanted there to be post quoting someone besides mel kiper or someone from espn as alot are want to do here. the quote seemed apropriate here how about this one "working for snyder is like a box of chocalates you never what your gonna get"

Problemo solved

Posted by: DG28 | April 16, 2009 9:27 PM

There's really only one that quotes these ad nauseum. Please don't mention the name or you may summon the beast from the murky depths.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 16, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

slick rickroge

'...They should stick with Campbell another year, BUT I am not totally opposed to drafting Sanchez if he fell to us...'

If they draft Sanchez and trade Campbell for, say, a third round pick, the echos of, "I told ya so,...' will drown out the people saying, "Why did we do that?" for weeks.

If they pull the trigger, trade JC, get some picks, start the rookie, let Collins--a vet-- help coach him up.

And let's move on from there, people.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 16, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

2) I think of all Snyder's mistakes, I think letting Schottenheimer go after one season was a biggie. This team was on the come and we cleared a lot of bad players and cap space.

I think that was his biggest mistake! It was Schottenheimer who found Antonio Pierce as an undrafted rookie. Any coach who could go 8 and 8 with Tony Banks at quarterback has got to be a great coach.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | April 16, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Moe

Since our dline style doesn't really cater to the speed rush type. Blache prefers the disciplined run stopper i say you gotta go with guy thats got size and fits the system from what i've seen thats Jackson from LSU. Maybin and orakapo seem to small.


#13 pick 15 million
Albert Haynsworth 100 million
But the redskins drafting a guy they know fits their system priceless

Posted by: DG28 | April 16, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

from the NYPOST

'...Eli Manning today told ESPN he expects the Giants to address their need for a No. 1 receiver and that Browns wideout Braylon Edwards is an attractive target...'

This is a worry.

We no longer have a big corner to deal with long, wiry wide outs.

And if the iggles add another guy to go with DeSean Jackson and Westbrook, do we have match up issues?

Maybe another stud corner is a good idea: in the 3rd round.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 16, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

DG28

Jackson?

Let's see: LSU + SEC= quality defenders (see Durty 30)

Sounds like a winner...

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 16, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Anybody in the DMV area familiar with a MD guard named Jaime Thomas? He's a 6th rd projection according to Walter something or other...

Posted by: will_ga | April 16, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

from the NYPOST

'...Eli Manning today told ESPN he expects the Giants to address their need for a No. 1 receiver and that Browns wideout Braylon Edwards is an attractive target...'

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 16, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse


Did you see Edwards performance against the Skins last yr? He did a fine job preventing himself from catching passes. I'm all for playing against him twice a yr with the CB's we currently have.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 16, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm... Braylon to the Giants, Boldin to the Eagles...we're gonna need monster d line pressure to help the secondary out even with Los & DHall.

Posted by: will_ga | April 16, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

5) They should stick with Campbell another year, BUT I am not totally opposed to drafting Sanchez if he fell to us. ...
5) Finally, they must stay the course with Zorn. I think this guy needs some time.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 16, 2009 9:15 PM

Mr. Roge - I agree with most of the points that you posted. As for 5), I do not agree with the first point 5). Campbell is cold soup at this point. After the Steeler game disaster he and the Skins were never the same for the rest of 2008. And then the way his name was dragged through the gutter in the off season - wanting Cutler instead, couldn't even get a 2nd round pick for him, etc. - at this point he is probably a real mess and whatever happens with the draft I don't see how the Skins can keep him as a starting QB and expect to win many games in 2009. But if they don't get Sanchez, that might be their strategy for a high 2010 draft pick to snag Bradford or whoever looks like a good WCO QB. I do agree with your second point 5). I think that the Skins' future is built on the foundatiion of a WCO scheme and Zorn is supposed to be one the WCO gurus.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 16, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

OK, somebody's questioning my headcount for the "No Way in Hell Should We Mortgage Next Year's Draft Picks, and Ignore Improving the OT Position This Year, to Move Up to Draft Curry Bandwagon" like it's a Russian election...

So far, we've got:

moi
thunder
will_ga
scampbell

Others? T_E? Bueller, anyone?

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 16, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm... Braylon to the Giants, Boldin to the Eagles...we're gonna need monster d line pressure to help the secondary out even with Los & DHall.

Posted by: will_ga

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but we also need a monster O-line to deal with the Jints monster D-line, and O-line is where we're weakest...

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 16, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

but we also need a monster O-line to deal with the Jints monster D-line, and O-line is where we're weakest...
Posted by: chasgiffen | April 16, 2009 9:56 PM

Agreed. I didn't mean to imply we draft d-line first. Def. OT if there. I just remember D. Jack blowing by D. Hall and picturing Boldin running across the field at the same time is an ugly ugly thought.

Posted by: will_ga | April 16, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

chasgriffin

It's 'moe' not 'moi'.

It's 'moe' as in 'gimme some moe'

As in, "Girl, I'd like some moe of that!"

As in, "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymoe!!"

As in, "Moe money is moe problems."

As in, "If you touch the tv when the skins are on one moe time, I'll cut you!!"

As in, "What! We're out of beer? We're drunk, let's drive and go get some moe."

But no matter how you spell, put me on that bandwagon, 'cuz I don't want to see us losing no moe.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 16, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

There's really only one that quotes these ad nauseum. Please don't mention the name or you may summon the beast from the murky depths.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 16, 2009 9:32 PM

The may be a movie plotline here. "Maniac poster spams blog, drives other posters berserk". Then, what happens next would be up to some clever screenwriter to figure out. I for one know what plot denouement I would like to see. Heh, heh.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 16, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe, I think chasgriffen meant moi as in koi, i.e. those overgrown fancy expensive goldish.

Or maybe that frenchcase word for "me".

But welcome aboard!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 16, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Ha! Well Moe I see you ain't neva been outta the country (moi = me), but I won't hold that against youse if youse on my wagon. Moe's definitely! (as Omar would say)

OK so that's 5 on the "No Way in Hell Should We Mortgage Next Year's Draft Picks, and Ignore Improving the OT Position This Year, to Move Up to Draft Curry Bandwagon"...

Do I hear 6?

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 16, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

"Its like drafting another Colt Brennan in Mark Sanchez. Its a complete and total waste of 2 draft picks because Colt Brennan would likely beat Sanchez out in head-to-head competition for the QB position.Posted by: periculum"

We must be watching a different Colt Brennan.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 16, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

We're worried about Sanchez starting only a year but Robert Ayers is in the same boat. For three years he wasn't good enough to start & now he's the best DE in the nation??? He must have had a monster year last year.

Posted by: will_ga | April 16, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

The may be a movie plotline here. "Maniac poster spams blog, drives other posters berserk". Then, what happens next would be up to some clever screenwriter to figure out. I for one know what plot denouement I would like to see. Heh, heh.

Posted by: AntonChigurh

maybe he could contract a virus from having copy and pasted with to many draft analysts web sites

Posted by: DG28 | April 16, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 16, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Boldin to Philly and Edwards to Giants--Redskins grasping at straws AGAIN!!!

It looks worse going into this season than I can ever remember before. Am I the only one that is dissapointed with next season before it even kicks off? We just crumbled at the end of last season and now to top it off we have signed a very expensive fat guy and thrown our QB under the bus. Well done Vinny and Danny!

Chastise me as you see fit, but keep in mind that I want to be wrong worse than you want me to be wrong.

Posted by: Soup17 | April 16, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

I for one know what plot denouement I would like to see. Heh, heh.

Posted by: AntonChigurh

The one I envision has a part where there is a giant mouse stuffed into a certain orifice and severed fingers crammed in the other.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 16, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Chastise me as you see fit, but keep in mind that I want to be wrong worse than you want me to be wrong.

Posted by: Soup17 | April 16, 2009 10:57 PM |

I want you to be wrong pretty badly.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 16, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Cork,
are you paid staff?

Posted by: sean-sean17 | April 16, 2009 11:36 PM | Report abuse

We must be watching a different Colt Brennan.
Posted by: Samson151 | April 16, 2009

Colt's preseason games and his college career in a spread offense
went pretty well so far? So, your comment is a bit confusing.
He threw no INTs in preseason and did throw some TD's. His
completion percentage was high.

I doubt you will see as good a performance in the preseason and regular season games from Mark Sanchez (would be his
senior year in college). I think the apt description from other
posters was equivalent to "crushed, killed and destroyed". Especially in the BEAST.


Posted by: priestholmes | April 16, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

want you to be wrong pretty badly.
Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 16, 2009

Makes two of us. Really, really badly. What makes it worst is the damn Raven's fan making the postings to this blog who must be laughing like a Hyena over the bitter distress of we hard core Redskins fans ...

Posted by: priestholmes | April 16, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

After the Steeler game disaster he and the Skins were never the same for the rest of 2008.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 16, 2009

You really don't watch the games do you? The Steeler's game? It was the Raven's game before the Steeler's game when the OL completely collapsed.

Like so many you are saying just about anything to criticize Jason Campbell, sans facts, or any kind of empirical evidence.

Pure hyperbole, might as well be Dan Snyder.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 16, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

The skins need a gm other than skinsneedagm:
I believe Sanchez will be cheaper than Cutler. And if there is a blockbuster trade to get Sanchez, who knows what cap relief will result?

Actually, just the reverse. The reason Dan went so hard for Cutler was because his entire salary was bonus (paid by the Broncos). He was making the Vets minimum in salary. The Redskins could have easily fit him and Campbell even with the Salary cap crunch they are under.

Sanchez would have to fit within the Rookie pool. Not even close to as easy ...


Posted by: priestholmes | April 17, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Not sure if anyone had posted this but here goes......i'm sure some of you guys(jlc) will disagree.....

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9453994/Draft-review:-How-every-team-ranks-from-2003-'08?gt1=39002

Posted by: jumbo5383 | April 17, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse

You really don't watch the games do you? The Steeler's game? It was the Raven's game before the Steeler's game when the OL completely collapsed.

Like so many you are saying just about anything to criticize Jason Campbell, sans facts, or any kind of empirical evidence.

Pure hyperbole, might as well be Dan Snyder.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 16, 2009 11:49 PM
===========================================
2008 Washington Redskins Schedule
1 Thu, Sep 4 - at NY Giants - L (7-16)
2 Sun, Sep 14 - New Orleans - W (29-24)
3 Sun, Sep 21 - Arizona - W (24-17)
4 Sun, Sep 28 - at Dallas - W (26-24)
5 Sun, Oct 5 - at Philadelphia - W (23-17)
6 Sun, Oct 12 - St. Louis - L (17-19)
7 Sun, Oct 19 - Cleveland - W (14-11)
8 Sun, Oct 26 - at Detroit - W (25-17)
9 Mon, Nov 3 - Pittsburgh - L (6-23)
10 BYE WEEK
11 Sun, Nov 16 - Dallas - L (10-14)
12 Sun, Nov 23 - at Seattle - W (20-17)
13 Sun, Nov 30 - NY Giants - L (7-23)
14 Sun, Dec 7 - at Baltimore - L (10-24)
15 Sun, Dec 14 - at Cincinnati - L (13-20)
16 Sun, Dec 21 - Philadelphia - W (10-3)
17 Sun, Dec 28 - at San Francisco - L (24-27)

Mr. Holmes, I agree with your assessment of the JC player-haters.

On the other hand, Baltimore was on Pearl Harbor day.

Pittsburgh was on let's break all your old OL dudes and Clinton's knee before the bye day.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 17, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse

There's really only one that quotes these ad nauseum. Please don't mention the name or you may summon the beast from the murky depths.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 16, 2009 9:32 PM

Dude you must know my real nomedeplume? The sharkster master of the murky depths ... are you some dame I ditched on match.com? ~chortling~

Look bring facts, some expert analysis, don't justcome here with nothing in your hands but your limp protuberance after an aborted whack job. You do that way too often.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 17, 2009 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Pittsburgh was on let's break all your old OL dudes and Clinton's knee before the bye day.
Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 17, 2009

The "sharkster", master of these murky depths, with a sunset red dorsal fin that could melt Christy Cooley ... stands corrected.

You are right.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 17, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Now, with my parking and such as validated, I can retire to sleep, perchance to dream.

TGIF!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 17, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

From PFT:
Cushing & Matthews were in a Facebook group called "White Nation", which among other things advocated the “arrest [of] black babies before they become criminals.” It was said to be a joke.

I'm sure it was a joke but knowing how scrutinized USC stars lives are it shows extremely poor judgement.

Posted by: will_ga | April 17, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

This whole argument has gotten WAY TOO COMPLICATED!

We can debate all night whether moving up for Sanchez will improve our QB situation and NEVER resolve it. It's opinion's only here.

We can debate all night whether any of the USC LB's are even worth the 13th pick in the draft and NEVER resolve it.

We have solutions for DE on both sides in place already. So we can cover there for this season.

What we CANNOT deny or even bother debating is that our O line is in desperate shape, it will not get us through another season, and MUST be addressed in this draft AND the next. It gets pretty simple from there.

The first pick goes to the BEST O lineman on the board. Period. If you don't like the OT's left (If the top 4 are already gone), then pick the best Guard or Center.

I don't care if others question the "value" of taking Alex Mack or Duke Robinson at 13. They will be opening day starters. They will plow the road for our RB's and QB. They will anchor the line for 10 -12 years and they will go to numerous pro bowls. What is that worth?

3rd round could go to the best SAM LB on the board. Somebody like Jason Williams or Cody Brown. Both are 6'2" 240+ lbs. Either could/should be a starter this year and has the size and speed to dominate at that side. That or go for a RT with someone like Phil Loadholt or Andy Levitre. Choose.

Focus on building a dominant core of players. We don't have the luxury of picking the best player on the board and ignoring our needs. Our needs are too glaring and MUST BE ADDRESSED. If not, it doesn't matter what receiver or QB we get.

On the second day, go for DB's and LB's who have speed, can add depth and play some friggen' Speacial Teams!

Focus!

Posted by: edvar | April 17, 2009 1:10 AM | Report abuse

OK edvar, so I'm putting you down as # 6 on the "No Way in Hell Should We Mortgage Next Year's Draft Picks, and Ignore Improving the OT Position This Year, to Move Up to Draft Curry Bandwagon".

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 17, 2009 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Are you sure about that? Drew Brees was a blossoming pro-bowl quarterback in his final year for San Diego, yet was essentially forced to be traded because of Rivers' salary. It worked out for SD because Rivers ended up being one of the QBs that hit the mark in the draft, but many do not. Regardless of what Campbell does next year, even if it's a 4000 yard, 30 TD type season, the drafting of Sanchez and his likely $50-million or so contract will mean the team HAS to trade Campbell (of course, unless the team lucks out and the CBA remains unresolved). And that is NOT a good situation to be in, unless you are absolutely sure that Sanchez is the real deal.

Posted by: psps23 | April 16, 2009 8:18 AM

I don't think you throw away a quarterback who can play in this league period. If JC proves to be that, I think Snyder will be willing to pay a lot of money to keep him. As for Sanchez, I wonder if they could dump him to a team that would be willing to absorb that contract? Maybe take some of the contract hit themselves as a penalty for drafting Sanchez? My meta point is that drafting Sanchez doesn't seal JC's fate

Posted by: hailbg | April 17, 2009 1:42 AM | Report abuse

Cork:

You mention Snyder wants to use moving up to make a splash for marketing purposes. You can certainly argue that Synder has used free agency for marketing purposes. But that is a different aspect of Snyder's ownership.

But when in his history has he used the draft to make a splash? Outside of the trade to ensure getting the #2 and #3 in 2000 (and I think most would argue, esp. at the time, that it was a good trade), I don't think that Snyder has ever used the draft as a means to make a splash by moving up to take a name player or even someone he covets. Again, under Snyder the Redskins have shown they are more likely to move down to get more picks or standpat. Further, in his history if he trades his first, it has been for a veteran player. The only time he moved up was for JC17 and I think it is common knowledge that Gibbs wanted that. Now does Zorn want Sanchez? Well i haven't heard that he does. but if he does, it is Snyder's (or Vinny's) job to get it done. That said, I doubt Snyder would do that for Zorn as he does not hold him in the same regard as Gibbs.

So my point is that every year here Snyder coveats some big name player (C. Johnson, R. gallery, Harrington) and will trade up. But it never materializes. I am not a fan of Snyder nor do I like how he treats the draft. But year in and year out he gets reports like this and they never pan out. The two times he has made it was for LA/Samuels 9which I think was a good trade) and for Campbell (who was hardly a big name and I think most agree was done cause his coach thought highly of the player as a talent and not a marketing tool).

And the three receiver drafting of last year. i don't see that as a marketing move. I see that as a lack of a draft plan

Posted by: ajian1 | April 17, 2009 1:49 AM | Report abuse

this organization is the laughing stock of the NFL because of those two idiots in the front office...

if they trade up to draft sanchez i will go insane..i swear i will. I had to stop reading skins news for like 4 days this off season because it was driving me so crazy.

I just dont understand how two people who are supposed to be in charge of a once extremely proud franchise can screw up this bad and turn this squad into a fantasy team.

I am 21 years old and I dont really remember the '92 superbowl team with mark rypien and art monk and darrel and all those guys. I was 5 or 6 years old at the time but my pops did buy the "Year in sports 1992" sports illustrated VHS movie..I was addicted to it.. 'skins winning the superbowl, USA dream team with jordan, malone, barkely, Ewing, etc. Christian laetner hitting the turn around against Kentucky.....Ever since that video I have been obsessed with the skins and it almost bring me to tears that the FO is this dumb. Its honestly mind boggling.

Posted by: jeffco01 | April 17, 2009 1:55 AM | Report abuse

I'm sold on Campbell. Take out the games he played vs the #1, 2 and 3 ranked defenses and he had a 95+ QB rating. That's good. Even with a so-so OL and below average WR group.

I see Campbell peaking as around a top 10 QB for the next 5-7 years. Not likely to see many Pro Bowls, but clearly better than average. I don't see him as an obstacle for us to go to the Super Bowl.

Still, I'm always open to looking at the odds are that Sanchez will be a significant upgrade over Campbell. So, what are the odds?

Campbell was 25th overall pick in 2005. Beginning in 2005, 9 other QBs were 1st round selections (all higher than the 25th pick).

How does Campbell compare to this group, based on on-field performance?

Clearly outperformed Campbell:
None

Performed comparable to Campbell:
Aaron Rogers, Jay Cutler, Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan*

Clearly worse (or not enough info)
Alex Smith*, Matt Leinart, Vince Young*, Brady Quinn, JaMarcus Russell*

* = top 3 pick

Of the 10 QBs selected in the first round since 2005, Campbell is in the upper half. None of the QBs has dramatically outperformed him.

What this says is that the odds are against Sanchez being a major upgrade over Campbell. In fact, the odds are against Sanchez being an upgrade at all!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 17, 2009 2:42 AM | Report abuse

We just crumbled at the end of last season and now to top it off we have signed a very expensive fat guy and thrown our QB under the bus. Well done Vinny and Danny!

Posted by: Soup17 | April 16, 2009 10:57 PM


Could've been worse, we could've thrown our QB under a very expensive fat guy!

Posted by: kost52 | April 17, 2009 3:25 AM | Report abuse

"Colt's preseason games and his college career in a spread offense went pretty well so far? So, your comment is a bit confusing. He threw no INTs in preseason and did throw some TD's. His completion percentage was high. I doubt you will see as good a performance in the preseason and regular season games from Mark Sanchez (would be his senior year in college). I think the apt description from other
posters was equivalent to "crushed, killed and destroyed". Especially in the BEAST. Posted by priestholmes"

If I remember, the original post claimed that Colt would be Sanchez out in head to head competition, thus wasting a draft choice. Or two.

So I said, we must be watching different Colt Brennans. The one on my TV couldn't win a starting job in the NFL.

Maybe it's the dish. Could be that sweeping sidearm motion looks a lot better in HDTV. Or perhaps Colt's willowy frame can absorb extra punishment due to that tricky lack of musculature. Maybe there's some secret fake Colt uses that causes the DL to drop their arms and therefore not bat down his passes.

Maybe I should get cable.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 17, 2009 3:51 AM | Report abuse

Let's get one thing straight; Warner, Manning, Rothlisberger, McNabb, Brees, Sanchez, Cutler, it doesn't matter who your QB is, if you continue play musical coaches(head and offensive)you're setting your QB up to fail.Oh.....and an offensive line that can block wouldn't hurt either.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | April 17, 2009 4:47 AM | Report abuse

Let's get one thing straight; Warner, Manning, Rothlisberger, McNabb, Brees, Sanchez, Cutler, it doesn't matter who your QB is, if you continue play musical coaches(head and offensive)you're setting your QB up to fail.Oh.....and an offensive line that can block wouldn't hurt either.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | April 17, 2009 4:47 AM

Amen...for a guy who rooted so vigorously for the Hogs and Gibbs 1.0, Danny sure has forgotten what it takes to make a team successful. If you give Jason Campbell the Giants O-line and offensive personnel, I promise you he's a Pro-Bowler. But as long as they keep both lines old and injury prone, they will continue down the path of mediocrity.

Just makes it so much more frustrating that they have a collective boner over moving up to take Sanchez when they should be dreaming of ways to move up and take one of those great big tackles or even Orakpo at DE.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 17, 2009 6:56 AM | Report abuse

Vegas, brownwood. It absolutely amazes me that someone that makes so much money could be so absolutely clueless. I, too, grew up watching Gibbs and the Hogs make minced meat of D-Lines and win Superbowls with good (not great) quarterbacks. How Snyder can't grasp the basic concept of building the lines first is beyond me.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 17, 2009 7:21 AM | Report abuse

Matt Mosley from the BEAST blog on ESPN:

"I think Snyder-Cerrato are suffering from a condition we're calling "RyanFlacconitis," which has caused front office types around the league to mistakenly think that pretty much any rookie quarterback with a solid background (Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco) can lead them to the playoffs. The best result for Redskins fans would be for Sanchez to go off the board before No. 13. I may be in the minority (shocker), but I'd love to see what Campbell could do in his second season with Zorn. Who knows? Maybe the Redskins let Sanchez learn for a season behind Campbell. On second thought, that will never happen."

RyanFlacconitis...priceless. I think Snyder has a Napoleon complex on top of that.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 17, 2009 7:24 AM | Report abuse

From ESPN.com

Could all this talk about Mark Sanchez be a huge smokescreen? If so, the Washington Post has bitten hard


You think? LMAO!!!

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 17, 2009 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Good stuff, Yoder. I just can't believe how many front office types have forgotten how rare it is for a rookie QB to do well. For every Ryan and Flacco there's 4 Heath Shulers. We're not THAT far removed from Akili Smith and Ryan Leaf...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 17, 2009 7:35 AM | Report abuse

i remember some scouts and execs pointing out that JC wasn't a great fit for the WC system. Keep in mind he was drafted by Gibbs because he saw another Doug Williams: a long, athletic QB that could throw the deep ball with touch and accurate deep crossing routes.

Although, Campbell did sufficiently well to warrant another chance (IMO), it's not clear he's gonna be a game winner in the mold of an elite qb. He will probably be steady game manager throughout his career which isn't bad. In fact, it works when u have a dominant running game and a shut-down defense and can lead to great success. But, the Skins have neither and so that's probably the reason Snyder and Ceratto are looking at other options.

Also, hard to believe that if Sanchez is drafted that he would be the starter. I was under the assumption that the FO and Campbell had a good, open-air meeting and it was decided that he would be given another shot. Also, why meet with JC if you're lusting after Sanchez? It would make more sense to meet with him *after* the draft when you know definitively that JC is your starter.

Posted by: hailbg | April 17, 2009 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Mosley also thinks we should trade up for Orakpo:

"That said, Redskins fans are suffering from a condition widely known as "Haynesworth fever." There's a thought that you pay the guy $41 million in guaranteed money and he suddenly makes old men young again. Folks, Phil Daniels isn't going to return from a serious knee injury and suddenly have 10 sacks. The Redskins need to surround Haynesworth with talent in order to get their money's worth. That's why Snyder has to forget about a quarterback and find a way to get his hands on Brian Orakpo."

As nice as it would be to have Orakpo, I can't justify moving up in this draft for anyone. They made their bed with the Jason Taylor trade, now they have to sleep in it.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 17, 2009 7:46 AM | Report abuse

As nice as it would be to have Orakpo, I can't justify moving up in this draft for anyone. They made their bed with the Jason Taylor trade, now they have to sleep in it.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 17, 2009 7:46 AM

Actually, their problem is that they DIDN'T make their bed at DE...they made it at WR in last year's draft and all but ignored the DE position. No one can tell me that we couldn't use Calais Campbell at DE right now, regardless of whether or not he makes us forget about Dexter Manley or even Marco Coleman for that matter. Then you don't need to go after Jason Taylor, you have a full complement of picks in this year's draft, and maybe even have the ammo to make a move for Anquan Boldin. But alas...another offseason of what-ifs in Redskin Nation!

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 17, 2009 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Actually, their problem is that they DIDN'T make their bed at DE...they made it at WR in last year's draft and all but ignored the DE position. No one can tell me that we couldn't use Calais Campbell at DE right now, regardless of whether or not he makes us forget about Dexter Manley or even Marco Coleman for that matter. Then you don't need to go after Jason Taylor, you have a full complement of picks in this year's draft, and maybe even have the ammo to make a move for Anquan Boldin. But alas...another offseason of what-ifs in Redskin Nation!

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 17, 2009 8:01 AM

Not sold on this line of thinking...yet. Who knows what sort of double headed monster the tandem of Cooley and Davis can become? And Thomas and Kelley are not busts yet. If one of them, or even both become very productive #2 receivers, would you still think the same thing?

Also, hindsight is 20/20. Kelley, by all accounts, is *exactly* what the Skins needed last year. A move the chains receiver; alas, he wasn't able to stay healthy enough and I know there were red flags about this prior to the draft, but you have to take risks sometimes to strike gold

Posted by: hailbg | April 17, 2009 8:07 AM | Report abuse

"Actually, their problem is that they DIDN'T make their bed at DE...they made it at WR in last year's draft and all but ignored the DE position."

Very true, my only point is that it needs to stop somewhere. With as many holes they need to fill, trading more draft picks will just exacerbate the problem.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 17, 2009 8:12 AM | Report abuse

oh, and my "made their bed with JT" comment pertained to the lost draft picks more than the DE position.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 17, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

hailbg:

Seeing is believing. Until then, 20/20 looks pretty good.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 17, 2009 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Not sold on this line of thinking...yet. Who knows what sort of double headed monster the tandem of Cooley and Davis can become? And Thomas and Kelley are not busts yet. If one of them, or even both become very productive #2 receivers, would you still think the same thing?

Posted by: hailbg | April 17, 2009 8:07 AM

First of all, I can't think of a great "tandem" of TEs. I still don't know what the hell they're thinking with that. Most teams don't have ONE really good pass catching TE, having two provides a minimal advantage outside of an injury to your starter.

Secondly, this team has so many other holes that it's borderline retarded to pick "depth" guys at the top of the draft when you don't have ANYONE to rush or protect the passer. The only way to make up for that insanity last year (regardless of whether the players pan out or not) is get a guy like Orakpo who develops into a Grade A pass rusher.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 17, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

think of drafting Sanchez as a learning opportunity. We can teach our kids how to stick with a team through the best and worst of time.

Of course then when they aren't looking we stick voodoo dolls and drinkm our problems away.

Posted by: Buckleycj | April 17, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

"I don't think you throw away a quarterback who can play in this league period. If JC proves to be that, I think Snyder will be willing to pay a lot of money to keep him.

Posted by: hailbg"

This is the same owner that traded Brad Johnson just one year removed from a 4,000 yard, 24 TD year because he liked the "flash" that Jeff George could provide. If Sanchez is drafted, and anything short of a Super Bowl from Campbell is achieved in this final year (if he gets the shot), Campbell will be gone one way or another. You don't trade UP in the draft to select a $50 million QB only to let him sit for the duration of his contract or to trade him away for 10 cents on the dollar (which is what will happen if the Skins attempted to trade Sanchez after a year of him sitting on the bench).

Posted by: psps23 | April 17, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Very true, my only point is that it needs to stop somewhere. With as many holes they need to fill, trading more draft picks will just exacerbate the problem.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 17, 2009 8:12 AM

Agreed, Yoder. The de-valuing of draft picks here is still very sickening.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 17, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

(repost: I actually have to work today)

A smart person reads between the lines.

When FA started, the team went out and got Dock and Haynesworth: that's a guard and tackle.

About a month ago, the skins resigned Wynn, Daniels, and has stated its desire to see R Jackson on the field: that's de-end

Some time thereafter, we heard C Wilson was looking fine at slb and then the team added R Thomas: that's two linebackers.

The team chased the bears for Cutler, and exposed its desire to the world for a more dynamic passer.

Let's see: they added, guard, defensive tackle/end, linebacker, and want a quarterback.

And the team has stated its trust in S Heyer, no matter hat the bloggas think and feel.

And if the guy they want--Sanchez--is gone, why add players of a type you've already added or have faith in?

That makes this blogga comeback full circle to a post from a few weeks ago--it might be that the best player availiable from the skins' pov--provided they can't trade out of round 1-- is a cornerback:

M Jenkins
A Smith

or

R Maualga
T Jackson

when it should be:

A Smith
A Mack

This seems very likely.

When you read between the lines.

Hail!!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 17, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

This is the same owner that traded Brad Johnson just one year removed from a 4,000 yard, 24 TD year because he liked the "flash" that Jeff George could provide.

Posted by: psps23 | April 17, 2009 8:24 AM

We finally agree, psps23! I really like Campbell, but because there's nothing flashy about Campbell, he's gone. Established guys mean nothing to Snyder unless they made a name for themselves elsewhere (Gibbs being the exception). Brad Johnson was a Pro-Bowler here and thrown aside almost immediately in favor of a career underachiever in Jeff George for no other reason but the fact that he had a good season in Minnesota throwing to Randy Moss and Cris Carter and has cannon for an arm. One of the greatest return men in NFL history was thrown to the side the same year (Brian Mitchell) to make room for Deion Sanders. And those guys were key players on playoff teams...what do you think happens to a guy of less than spectacular numbers like Campbell?

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 17, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

"Let's see: they added, guard, defensive tackle/end, linebacker, and want a quarterback.

...This seems very likely.

When you read between the lines.

You forgot to put that they signed a cornerback. Second signing of the offseason. And that debunks your whole theory.

And before you come back with "Hall was on the team last year", he was only here for 7 games. Springs was here for 9. That's 16 total. Springs was released, we lose 9 games, Hall was re-signed, we added 9 games (to the 7 he was here last season). We're now in the same exact position that we're in with every other position you mentioned.

DL = Lost Evans + Taylor + Wilson (If he moves to SLB), Gained Haynesworth + Daniels + Wynn

OLB = Lost Washington + Campbell, Gained Wilson + Thomas

G = Lost Kendall, Gained Dockery

CB = Lost Springs + Hall 16-game combo, Gained Hall for a full slate of 16 games.

No net gains nor losses, personnel-wise (not necessarily talent-wise), from any of these positions. And thus we're back to square one; upgrading the positions of need from last year. CB isn't one of them.

Posted by: psps23 | April 17, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

This is the same owner that traded Brad Johnson just one year removed from a 4,000 yard, 24 TD year because he liked the "flash" that Jeff George could provide.

I'm going to give Snyder the benefit of doubt here and assume he's learned from past mistakes.

You don't trade UP in the draft to select a $50 million QB only to let him sit for the duration of his contract or to trade him away for 10 cents on the dollar (which is what will happen if the Skins attempted to trade Sanchez after a year of him sitting on the bench).

Yes, this is problematic for sure and that's why I made my earlier comment about keeping quality QB's. Also, since when has Snyder cared about money? If JC leads us deep into the playoffs, has a great year, I would not be surprised at all if Sanchez is gone (if we draft him). There are several precedents for this FO to cut their losses early (see Taylor, J for a recent example)

Posted by: hailbg | April 17, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

You have got to be kidding me. Okay, yes Campbell stinks. Let's get it out there. His mechanics are awful and it's clear that either nobody is giving him advice about how to improve as a quarterback, or his simply isn't listening. BUT! The Redskins have SO MANY holes to fill, trading some of the precious few draft picks the team has to select another QB (who is no lock to be any better than Campbell) is stupid. Somebody please convince Danny and Vinny to sail the SS Redskins off the coast of Somalia. I can't take it any longer. I am one more stupid decision away from divorcing this team. They don't need to trade up, then need to trade down. If they want to take a chance on another QB, trade down and take Josh Freeman, or wait until the second day and take the kid from Texas Tech. The Redskins need two tackles, a guard, an outside linebacker, an heir apparent at middle linebacker, corners, special teamers who can tackle, a defensive end, a punter, a place kicker who can consistently put the ball in the end zone on kickoffs, and depth on both lines. If they found a way to fill all of those needs, then no matter how bad Campbell is, the team would at least be entertaining (something it hasn't been in a while).

Posted by: tkoho | April 17, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Mayhock sees a lot of offensive players going in the top ten. He thinks the four tackles will be gone, as well as two QBs and two WRs. Throw in Raji and Curry and you have ten. So between Okrapo, E Brown, T Jackson and the rest DE might be the position they go for, assuming the Skins stay at 13 and want to take the best player available regardless of position. Especially if you figure that they figure they don't want a LB at 13.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 17, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

"Yes, this is problematic for sure and that's why I made my earlier comment about keeping quality QB's. Also, since when has Snyder cared about money? If JC leads us deep into the playoffs, has a great year, I would not be surprised at all if Sanchez is gone (if we draft him). There are several precedents for this FO to cut their losses early (see Taylor, J for a recent example)

Posted by: hailbg"

So are you saying you agree or disagree with drafting Sanchez? Surely you realize the scenario you just drew up is an awful form of management. And that's the reason why you don't draft a QB that high without the full intentions of him playing.

Posted by: psps23 | April 17, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

If the Skins could trade down and get, say, a low 1st and early 2nd, then they could take a USC LB and maybe a Robiskie.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 17, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

So are you saying you agree or disagree with drafting Sanchez? Surely you realize the scenario you just drew up is an awful form of management. And that's the reason why you don't draft a QB that high without the full intentions of him playing.

Posted by: psps23

I don't know enough about Sanchez to make an informed opinion. If it was my job, I would make sure that I watched film of all his 16 games to build a physical profile and talk to his coaches, teammates, classmates, friends, etc. to build a mental profile.

Then I would go back and grade Campbell on every single play from last year and try to gain a consensus from the coaches on why we were so good the first half of the season and so bad the second half. How much of it was Campbell's fault when your second receiver can't even adjust routes based on the defensive formation? And how much of it is Campbell's fault for not taking risks that every pro has to (you didn't think his low INT number was because he's that good, right?) Why did he do so poorly against elite defenses? Sure, there's protection problems, but that's too easy of an answer. Sometimes, you have to make things happen.

And then I'd try to project how good Campbell would be in his second season with the same offense and beyond. And how good Sanchez projects to be as a pro (not on something as flash of a pan as a pro workout)

All this takes hours and hours of film study and meetings and I trust that's why we have Cerrato and a scouting department :) But, if I had to pick an option, I would rather go with Campbell to see what he's got in his second year (I think it could be special) and fill holes on the lines and LB. But, I'm biased because I really like Campbell as a person and want to see him succeed as I'm sure a bunch of us do.

Posted by: hailbg | April 17, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Okay time for a poll. What % chance do you think we will make a move for Dirty Sanchez? Factor in all dumb sh*t from the past, Cutler, etc. Keeping in mind that the front office has to know there are major holes in this team. I am gonna go with 60% no 40% yes.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 17, 2009 8:58 AM | Report abuse

'...You forgot to put that they signed a cornerback. Second signing of the offseason. And that debunks your whole theory...'


point-taken

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 17, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

"And then I'd try to project how good Campbell would be in his second season with the same offense and beyond. And how good Sanchez projects to be as a pro (not on something as flash of a pan as a pro workout)"

Your analysis is reasonable and well thought out, however, you're missing one major aspect of the process.

It's not just whether Sanchez projects to be a better pro. It's whether Sanchez projects to make the Redskins better in a greater capacity than:

-Andre Smith or Michael Oher would over Stephon Heyer

-Tyson Jackson, Brian Orakpo, Aaron Maybin, Everette Brown, or Robert Ayers would over Rob Jackson and Chris Wilson

-Rey Maualuga, Brian Cushing, or Clay Matthews over HB Blades or Robert Thomas

That's the real question that needs to be answered. Will Sanchez over Campbell make the Redskins a better team in the future MORE than any of the guys listed above and their comparable "future" counterparts already on the roster. IMO, you'll need to draft one heck of a quarterback override all of the above.

Posted by: psps23 | April 17, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

A week from tomorrow there will be many on here feeling very sheepish for buying into "the FO is looking to move up to pick Sanchez". As I stated before, this is a smoke screen.

Also, I refuse to believe that you have a HC and do not listen to his input or that of the coordinators you hire. Blache (sp) knows what he has (or doesn't have) in his young linemen. Same is true for Buges. They may not feel that the Skins have as many holes as many on here think.

Don't be surprised if there are some very good picks made next weekend or that DT and Sleepy step it up this year, as well as some of the other youngsters.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 17, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse


That's the real question that needs to be answered. Will Sanchez over Campbell make the Redskins a better team in the future MORE than any of the guys listed above and their comparable "future" counterparts already on the roster. IMO, you'll need to draft one heck of a quarterback override all of the above.

The reason I left out the opportunity cost angle is because of my belief (not explicitly outlined in the previous post) that a great QB is *always* worth it.

That is to say, Oher could be a couple of notches above Heyer and Orkapo and Maualuga could be excellent upgrades, but they all pale in comparison to what an excellent qb in full command of the system can do when given basic tools.

I can't help but look at Collins' performance in the last 4 games of the 2007 season to help illustrate my point. Given essentially the same tools (maybe the O-line was slightly younger and healthier), he made our offense actually seem potent.

Now, this is not to compare Collins and Campbell; Collins had 13 years of experience at that point and knew the system inside out. But, often, superior talent makes up for experience. So, what if Sanchez, assuming he's a lot better talentwise than Collins, could be that guy in a couple of years whereas Campbell is always destined to be a steady game manager that can function well when he has all the right pieces including great protection, a super running game, and formidable pass catchers?

It's a tough call to make and I'm glad I'm not the one making it :) The entire reason why I started this discussion, btw, is to point out that considering drafting Sanchez is not as boneheaded a move as some claim it to be

Posted by: hailbg | April 17, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

And IMO, and this is purely based on scouting reports from the so-called "experts", the two most glaring upgrades would be Smith/Oher vs. Heyer and Any of the DEs vs. Rob Jackson or Chris Wilson. Of course, I'll fully admit to not being remotely close to a college FB expert, so I consider my opinion raw.

Posted by: psps23 | April 17, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Why don't we ever hear anything about trading up to take one of the premiere tackles in this draft?

Instead we would move up to take a workout-sensation for a defense that we've already spent about $100 million on OR we trade up to take a QB we don't need???

I've got nothing against Sanchez, but I sort of hope that we draft him, start him, then watch him get CLOBBERED every game by a pass rush...I'd like to hear what kind of drivel the FO would spew to explain why we aren't winning games...

Posted by: p1funk | April 17, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Skins, for the love of God, do NOT trade up to 3 or 4 to get Sanchez! Wayyyyyy too many other needs at both offensive and defensive lines. Also Maulauga at 13 could be an instant starter at Marcus Washington's old spot. Put the pieces around the $100mm man and give Campbell more time in this offense before you cast him aside!

Skins can't keep trading away future picks!

Posted by: IndySkinsFan | April 17, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Lets wait to see what happens before we pass judgement. Cart before the horse kind of thing...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 17, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

"The reason I left out the opportunity cost angle is because of my belief (not explicitly outlined in the previous post) that a great QB is *always* worth it."

Yes, I agree. Which is why I said in my original post "unless you are absolutely sure that Sanchez is the real deal."

However, I find it very hard to believe that this FO, or any FO, knows this for sure. Or even has a good inkling. At best, they're 50/50, and more than likely (given the number of QBs drafted in the 1st round league-wide vs. the total number of those picks that have become truly elite) it's much, much lower than that. And that's why when you have a good, young QB already on the roster, especially one with the potential to improve, you do not take a risk like this.

Posted by: psps23 | April 17, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Why would you move up for Orakpo when you can get Maybin, Ayers, Brown, or Jackson @ 13??? (Inside JLC's retarded scenario)

Why would the Redskins take Sanchez at all? Isn't the basic criteria for a QB to have a certain # of starts and at least 60% comp%????

SERIOUS RESPONSES APPRECIATED, FUNNY ONES TOO

Has any one heard about Antone and Allen Smith lately????


Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 17, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Lets wait to see what happens before we pass judgement. Cart before the horse kind of thing...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 17, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse


Yes, I know. I was up here yesterday talking about the smoke-screen factor. It's just with this FO, the safe bet is total idiocy.

I really hope that JLA is simply being used as a tool for misinformation.

Posted by: p1funk | April 17, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse


However, I find it very hard to believe that this FO, or any FO, knows this for sure. Or even has a good inkling. At best, they're 50/50, and more than likely (given the number of QBs drafted in the 1st round league-wide vs. the total number of those picks that have become truly elite) it's much, much lower than that. And that's why when you have a good, young QB already on the roster, especially one with the potential to improve, you do not take a risk like this.

Fully agreed; I really feel uneasy knowing that this FO makes decisions based on some unknown or myopic principles. If this rumor were afloat under Gibbs, for instance, at least we would know that there would be well thought out reasons behind his plans (such as why they traded for the chance to draft Campbell). Even if Cerrato were fully in charge, that would be something. He knows a *lot* more football than any of us, but somehow I get the feeling that the impetus behind these changes is Snyder, who's football acumen is unclear and tending to FAIL based on past history

Posted by: hailbg | April 17, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

"a great QB is *always* worth it."

This also leads to the question, what makes a great QB? Is it truly just inherent? Or does it take the right situation as well?

Had Drew Brees been drafted by us and spent his early career under Steve Spurrier, would he be the same QB we know today? If Jay Cutler landed in Brian Billick's system instead of Mike Shanahan's, would he have been as productive as he was last season, or thought of as highly? And on the flipside, if David Carr had gone to Denver with Shanahan's scheme and offensive line, would he still have turned out the way he did?

It reminds me of the book "Outliers" by Malcolm Gladwell. It's not just inherent. Sure, you have to have "it". But you also have to have the situation there for you to take advantage of. Can Sanchez be successful behind an ever-aging offensive line that's already old, with WRs that (a) either struggle to run routes or (b) struggle to stay healthy -- which includes Moss, or an offensive system that changes every year or two (which if Zorn doesn't hit the playoffs, somebody else - like a Shanahan or Cowher - will come in)? It's a legit question that bears consideration, especially when the reason for drafting a QB is because "a great QB is always worth it."

Posted by: psps23 | April 17, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

On an unrelated note, is anyone seriously concerned about our lack of playmaking ability at OLB.

McIntosh is good, but still needs to step it up a couple of notches to move into the "very good" category. But, of more immediate concern, is SAM.

Remember, in week 10 last year when the Cowboys exposed us by running stretch plays to the strong side repeatedly for big chunks? With Haynesworth clogging up the middle and no viable talent over there, I don't see how teams don't do that repeatedly.

Also, I seem to remember that our 31st ranked defense in 2006 was due, in large part, to weak WLB play (Warrick Holdman anyone?)

Posted by: hailbg | April 17, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Had Drew Brees been drafted by us and spent his early career under Steve Spurrier, would he be the same QB we know today? If Jay Cutler landed in Brian Billick's system instead of Mike Shanahan's, would he have been as productive as he was last season, or thought of as highly? And on the flipside, if David Carr had gone to Denver with Shanahan's scheme and offensive line, would he still have turned out the way he did?

I think this problem is acute with QB's that are 50/50. With a Favre or Manning, you can recognize their talents early enough to surround them with supporting pieces. With QBs in the gray area, such as Campbell and Leinart, it's not as clear...they clearly need *someone* to take a chance on them and support them consistently and build a framework around which they can succeed and if the stars align, they can be very good.

Note that Carr and Ramsey, to point out another example, did not fare too much better in their subsequent stops although the damage that was done early in their careers may have contributed to this (which was probably your point)

Posted by: hailbg | April 17, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

"On an unrelated note, is anyone seriously concerned about our lack of playmaking ability at OLB. "

I imagine Greg Blache is. That LB corps is very thin. McIntosh was playing very well until he got hurt again. And in the past, his injuries have been serious.

Washington really flagged last season, mostly because of injuries, but the team's clearly anxious about the possibility of another season along the same lines. I'm guessing they view Marcus like they view Daniels and Wynn -- very skilled but fragile players.

it's a much thinner unit than the D-line, which got most of the attention in the early off-season. Can Chris Wilson play OLB? is there a draft choice out there who could be the SAM? Those are maybe the key questions for the team this offseason. And I haven't seen answers yet, have you?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 17, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

hailbg

'...is anyone seriously concerned about our lack of playmaking ability at OLB....'

Yes.

Here's the linebacker group as it presently stands:

HB Blades
Rocky McIntosh
London Fletcher
Robert Thomas
Chris Wilson ?
Alfred Fincher
Tyson Smith


You have to hope players like Fincher and Wilson step up massively and try to take a starting spot from someone: HB Blades

Thomas is a speed 'backer, and I wonder if he'll push Rocky. From what I remember of him in college, Robert Thomas was a very good, Tampa-2 type, wlb linebacker.

For the most part, Rocky Mac doesn't impress. I liked Channing Crowder back during the early days of FA, but the fins locked him up as they have sense.

Me? I'd like to add Rey Maualga to the position and see him as a fill-in for Fletch or someone who can play inside with Fletch in a hybrid 3-4 look.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 17, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

"Had Drew Brees been drafted by us and spent his early career under Steve Spurrier, would he be the same QB we know today? If Jay Cutler landed in Brian Billick's system instead of Mike Shanahan's, would he have been as productive as he was last season, or thought of as highly? And on the flipside, if David Carr had gone to Denver with Shanahan's scheme and offensive line, would he still have turned out the way he did?"

It's a team sport first and foremost. Sure, QB is the most important position, but you can't place these guys in a vacuum and try to compare. Ben Roethlisberger is the poster boy for how a situation molds a QB. He stepped into a great place and has 2 rings now because of it. Worst rating for a winning QB in Super Bowl history for crying out loud...

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 17, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

tkoho: "You have got to be kidding me. Okay, yes Campbell stinks. Let's get it out there. His mechanics are awful and it's clear that either nobody is giving him advice about how to improve as a quarterback, or his simply isn't listening. BUT! The Redskins have SO MANY holes to fill, trading some of the precious few draft picks the team has to select another QB (who is no lock to be any better than Campbell) is stupid. Somebody please convince Danny and Vinny to sail the SS Redskins off the coast of Somalia. I can't take it any longer. I am one more stupid decision away from divorcing this team."

Stop -- you're giving them an incentive to make another stupid decision.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 17, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Blades is a gamer and one of those types that's high intensity, 110% effort, plays bigger than his size, super special teams player, part of the backbone of the team (Gibbs mantra: "Special teams is the heart of the team"). I absolutely love the guy. A real pro.

Asking him to cover a good tight end? I can imagine Witten going 13 catches for 150+ in a game like that. A great depth guy for sure, but not a starter.

Fincher's a great teams player too, but again, you severely handicap your defense when you ask these guys to play 50-60 snaps a game week in and week out

Posted by: hailbg | April 17, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

YO DAN-NIE, PLEASE DO NOT TRADE ANY OF NEXT YEAR'S PICKS!!! ESPECIALLY NOT THE NUMBER ONE (plus this year's #1)for Mark-FREAKIN-Sanchez!!!!!!!!!!

I must be watching a differnt game cause what I see is that OUR OFFENSIVE LINE HAS BEEN RANCID THE LAST 2 YEARS!

Use every 2009 draft pick on the best OL available at the time, coach 'em up, and give JC the year to take another step forward. If he doesn't get it done, then reevaluate the QB situation next year at this time. There are way too many other holes on this team to worry about QB for cripes-sake!

Posted by: kone | April 17, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

psps: "It's not just whether Sanchez projects to be a better pro. It's whether Sanchez projects to make the Redskins better in a greater capacity than:
-Andre Smith or Michael Oher would over Stephon Heyer
-Tyson Jackson, Brian Orakpo, Aaron Maybin, Everette Brown, or Robert Ayers would over Rob Jackson and Chris Wilson
-Rey Maualuga, Brian Cushing, or Clay Matthews over HB Blades or Robert Thomas"

There's a second aspect to that question: will any rookie represent a substantial first season improvement over the incumbent vet?

Sometimes the answer's yes, but often, it's no. The benefits of rooks -- particularly skill positions like QB or to a lesser extent, left OT -- aren't felt immediately.

Michael Oher will eventually be better than Heyer, but quite possibly not until 2010-11.

Clay Matthews may someday be a terrific SAM, but exactly when? nobody can say.

The real problem with rooks is they're unknowns. Some college programs are easier to scout than others -- USC for one -- but the jump from college ball to the NFL seems to get bigger every year.

Sanchez may turn out to be a great QB, but currently, he's the football equivalent of a pig in a poke. As Jason Campbell was a few years ago.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 17, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line-trade 2010 first rounder for Brady Quinn and receive two picks 2009 (2nd & 4th) for Jason Campbell.

Posted by: pcater | April 17, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

psps23


'....Yes, I agree. Which is why I said in my original post "unless you are absolutely sure that Sanchez is the real deal...'

There will be more 'real deal' type guys next year.

So why reach for Sanchez this year? And think what'll happen if Campbell isn't traded, but stays and has a great season?

We'll all be saying, "Why did they waste a high pick on Sanchez?"

I think we're better off giving Campbell the best scenario to succeed in: again, if he fails, he's gone.

But if does well, we then know we have a savior.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 17, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse


Sometimes the answer's yes, but often, it's no. The benefits of rooks -- particularly skill positions like QB or to a lesser extent, left OT -- aren't felt immediately.

But, that's OK. If a player has little impact in his first couple of years, but goes onto have a stellar career, it's worth it. Especially when we're talking about the QB position. Because that could lead to SB wins.

Posted by: hailbg | April 17, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter folks...Sanchez, Brady, Montana, Unitas, insert other great QB name here...you can't play well on your back looking up at the sky.

Posted by: kone | April 17, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

"Had Drew Brees been drafted by us and spent his early career under Steve Spurrier, would he be the same QB we know today? If Jay Cutler landed in Brian Billick's system instead of Mike Shanahan's, would he have been as productive as he was last season, or thought of as highly? And on the flipside, if David Carr had gone to Denver with Shanahan's scheme and offensive line, would he still have turned out the way he did?"

It's a team sport first and foremost. Sure, QB is the most important position, but you can't place these guys in a vacuum and try to compare. Ben Roethlisberger is the poster boy for how a situation molds a QB. He stepped into a great place and has 2 rings now because of it. Worst rating for a winning QB in Super Bowl history for crying out loud...

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 17, 2009 10:11 AM

Yoder, Psps23 has it on this one...most QBs with a college career worthy of being drafted in the first round have the talent to play in the NFL. What sets the great from the good and the good from the bad is the work ethic of the individual player and the situation of the organization that drafts him. The Big Ben comparison isn't a fair one (in my opinion) because the Steelers don't typically rely on the QB the same way other teams do, and until last season was asked simply to "not screw it up", a la Trent Dilfer in Baltimore. It was the Tomlin regime that deemed Ben ready to run the offense himself.

But I think if you put David Carr in Indy or Peyton Manning on the expansion Texans, you'd see very different numbers for both QBs. I've said it here before; a huge reason Manning and Brady are in a class above every other QB in the NFL is the fact that they've played in the SAME SYSTEM their entire careers. If Campbell can improve his numbers every year despite playing in different systems annually, just imagine how good he could be with the type of stability in Pittsburgh, Indy or New England. The whole irony of Snyder trying to unload Campbell is that it's Snyder's fault that Campbell isn't playing to his potential.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 17, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

If R Thomas is a Tampa 2 type LB, then I imagine he will be used situationally because Blache doesn't run a Tampa 2.

If Wilson or Fincher or anyone can beat out Blades or Mac then we're in good shape. Blades and Thomas can play every LB position as back ups.

Perhaps, Mac Fletch and Blades ARE a decent corps for at least 1 more seeze.

Much less of an issue than OL, we got Blades in the 4th(?)

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 17, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

brownwood, I agreed with psps...IMO Big Ben would not be thought of so highly if he had been drafted by another team. One that demanded he step up right away and throw the ball 25 times a game. It's all about going to the right situation to have your talents put to the best use. Unfortunately for some guys, who have all the talent in the world, they never get a chance.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 17, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

If Snyderato are thinking about moving up to get dirty sanchez, they why not move all the way up and take Stafford?

'mostly sarcasm, but still worth noting'

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | April 17, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

brownwood, I agreed with psps...IMO Big Ben would not be thought of so highly if he had been drafted by another team. One that demanded he step up right away and throw the ball 25 times a game. It's all about going to the right situation to have your talents put to the best use. Unfortunately for some guys, who have all the talent in the world, they never get a chance.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 17, 2009 10:41 AM

Agreed, Yoder. I still think that if Patrick Ramsey can catch on in the right system in the right situation, he could a Rich Gannon-esque late career success story. Just a hunch...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 17, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I hope that the lions pull a fast one and draft sanchez first


i think this is the first time in my life that i will be rooting for the lions

Go Lions

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 17, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

'...Bottom line-trade 2010 first rounder for Brady Quinn and receive two picks 2009 (2nd & 4th) for Jason Campbell....'


The Mighty Quinn is still out there.

Would the brownies take him for Campbell, they slipping in a low round pick as gravy?

This makes sense.

To USC's Sanchez, we say, "Let's Do It Without the Trojan!"

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 17, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Go LIONS.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 17, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

brownwood, Patrick Ramsey brings up another variable that I think psps touched on. The fact that he was put in such a terrible position to start might have permanently damaged his confidence. You never know how guys are going to react to being pummeled. Most of these guys dominate through high school and college, so they don't know how to respond. Guess that's what separates the men from the boys.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 17, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe:

I think everyone's underimpressed by the individual personnel moves made at DE, OLB, OT/OG. consensus seems to be that these positions remain iffy at best and wishin' and hopin' ain't gonna' get in on the field.

I agree on CB and would take GREG TOLER at #6. But adding a first tier player at CB doesn't do justice to the SHAWN SPRINGS/DeANGELO HALL move. Time is needed there to see what works. JUSTIN TRYON isn't it however. Never will be.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 17, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I have adopted a plan that I think is a good one, and could really change Danny's mind IF it had a widespread grassroots effect.
I hereby pledge I will give no more money to the franchise, aside from keeping my season tickets.
I will not buy any redskins merchandise or any concessions inside FedEx field. I will still wear gear I already own, buy stuff off eBay, MAKE MY OWN skins gear, put I will not give him another penny (aside from the 2.5k i dish for tix. Danny has counted on our unwavering pocketbooks, and until he feels a hit, we can not expect anything to change.
JOIN THE REVOLUTION!
and to all the people saying they will stop being skins fans if such and such happens, well, just stop right now please.

Posted by: SkinsInSichuan | April 17, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

This makes sense.

Give up your draft to get a guy and then you can't put anything around him. He's immediately put in a position to fail...just like the last 2 QB's we drafted high.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 17, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

007,
Take Greg Toler at #6? Is that you Vinny?There isn't a first round corner in this years draft but you'd take this guy at #6. Wow. This whole Sanchez thing has my mind boggled. Apparently Dannyboy is "smitten" with him so expect this horrible trade to happen. Absolutely absurd to give up two first rounders and then the big money on top of it for this guy.

Posted by: Skins281 | April 17, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Snyder is a shrewd business man, not a football guru. Let's face it, the QB position sells more jerseys than the OT position. I don't think JC's sales are all that hot, although I don't have any numbers to back it up.

Sanchez is Hispanic (Mexican-American, whatever the PC term should be), which would presumably boost sales.

What I'm having trouble figuring out is how much a team profits on the sale of a jersey (replica or authentic). Some sites talk about how all NFL clubs equally share the profits, but that doesn't seem right.

Anyone have some good info on profit sharing for NFL merchandise?

Posted by: swowra | April 17, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Im going to driver a large crane over to Redskins HQ, hook it up to Snyder and Vinny C's heads and listen to the huge vacuum explosions as the crane rips their heads out of their collective a#$!@'s. You guys opitomize stupidity. Guess Shanahan and Sanchez are your answers for next year. Wow, doe's it get any worse than this??????

Posted by: blackhills1 | April 17, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Im going to drive a large crane over to Redskins HQ, hook it up to Snyder and Vinny C's heads, and listen to the huge vacuum explosions as the crane rips their heads out of their collective a#$!@'s. You guys opitomize stupidity. Guess Shanahan and Sanchez are your answers for next year. Wow, doe's it get any worse than this??????

Posted by: blackhills1 | April 17, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

An interesting idea of drafting Orakpo to play slb and moving Rocky to mlb...

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/04/16/the-perfect-draft-washington-redskins/

Posted by: swowra | April 17, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Same old BS different day, you guys are still talking about this.

JLC has no idea what Snyder or Cerrato want, because he does not talk to either guy.

Remeber the Cutler thing was reported by numerous sites, before JLC reported it.

This has not been reported anywhere except here.

One other blogger said it would be a move that Snyder may make, but had nothing to back that up.

This is another post to boost responses, stop letting this dumb a$$ get you all fired up.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 17, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

OK edvar, so I'm putting you down as # 6 on the "No Way in Hell Should We Mortgage Next Year's Draft Picks, and Ignore Improving the OT Position This Year, to Move Up to Draft Curry Bandwagon".

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 17, 2009 1:27 AM

I'm in.

Posted by: edvar | April 17, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I'm also on the "No Way in Hell Should We Mortgage Next Year's Draft Picks, and Ignore Improving the OT Position This Year, to Move Up to Draft Curry Bandwagon."

Posted by: swowra | April 17, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

flound, thanks for being the voice of reason........

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 17, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

It's not just whether Sanchez projects to be a better pro. It's whether Sanchez projects to make the Redskins better in a greater capacity than:

-Andre Smith or Michael Oher would over Stephon Heyer

-Tyson Jackson, Brian Orakpo, Aaron Maybin, Everette Brown, or Robert Ayers would over Rob Jackson and Chris Wilson

-Rey Maualuga, Brian Cushing, or Clay Matthews over HB Blades or Robert Thomas

That's the real question that needs to be answered. Will Sanchez over Campbell make the Redskins a better team in the future MORE than any of the guys listed above and their comparable "future" counterparts already on the roster. IMO, you'll need to draft one heck of a quarterback override all of the above.

Posted by: psps23 | April 17, 2009 9:10 AM |

Perfect analysis. We don't have the luxury of "Best player" on the board regardless of position this year. We must draft "Best O lineman or DE" at #1. At #3 Best O lineman or LB. We just have to. And one of those two picks had GOT to be O line.

Even better if we drop back from 13th and get more picks. Still the first 3 picks must be restricted to addressing one of: O line, DE and LB in whatever order you want to go.

Posted by: edvar | April 17, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

flound, thanks for being the voice of reason........

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 17, 2009 11:42 AM |

Greg,

It's just like his should we get TO post, he knows what will get people crazy up here and he uses that to get alot of responses.

Nothing wrong whith it, thats his job but for people to keep falling for it is funny.

Some on here are acting like it already happened.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 17, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

*yawn

Posted by: RedDMV | April 17, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

One of many reasons why the FO misadventures have to stop...from PFT:

Redskins Offensive Lineman Took A Risk
Posted by Aaron Wilson on April 17, 2009, 11:00 a.m.
Washington Redskins offensive guard Randy Thomas gave new meaning to the phrase, true grit, last season, toughing it out and finishing the season despite a herniated disc in his neck.

According to David Elfin of the Washington Times, Thomas could have risked the end of his career or even potentially being paralyzed or permanently disabled by playing last season.

“He said he really felt he could play with it,” Redskins offensive line coach Joe Bugel said. “I said, ‘You’re not going to do anything stupid, are you? We talked at length about it, but Randy’s pretty stubborn. And that sucker went out and finished the season. Talk about a warrior.”

Thomas kept the severity of his sore neck to himself, for the most part, and underwent surgery in January that required a metal plate and screws being inserted into his neck to aid the healing process. He has been working out for over a month and is expected to play next season.

“They mentioned the possibility of being [paralyzed], and it kinda shocked me,” Thomas told the Washington Times. “I called my wife, but I stayed positive. I told her, ‘The doctor didn’t say I can’t play anymore.’ If you give me a little daylight, I’m going to take it and go with it. I don’t live in doubt. But she and my mother were on pins and needles every game after that. …

“It could have really ruined my life, but I never regret what I do. I was like, ‘This is what I need to do. This is something we can take care of after the season.’ We were trying to make the playoffs, and I felt like I could go. I was taking a chance, but football does that to you. I risked a lot. Any hit could have done it, but you get that competitive drive and you don’t worry about the consequences?”

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 17, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

flounder - ESPN and NFL network were both talking about this yesterday as well.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 17, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Im going to drive a large crane over to Redskins HQ, hook it up to Snyder and Vinny C's heads, and listen to the huge vacuum explosions as the crane rips their heads out of their collective a#$!@'s. You guys opitomize stupidity. Guess Shanahan and Sanchez are your answers for next year. Wow, doe's it get any worse than this??????

Posted by: blackhills1 | April 17, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Dude... thats kinda creepy... come on. Reel it back in.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 17, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I gotta say this. I looked around at some draft sites, by supposed "insiders", over the past week Sanchez's stock has been rising. Wouldn't it be something if the Redskins' interest in Sanchez were a smokescreen? That hasn't been the way they do things in the past, but either way, their interest and drawing attention to him is helping his draft buzz, significantly.

Posted by: showell81 | April 17, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Seahawks | Will select Sanchez if available
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ESPNews reports Todd McShay, of ESPN, has learned the Seattle Seahawks will take Southern California QB Mark Sanchez with the fourth pick in the 2009 NFL Draft if he is available.

Redskins | Thomas played with serious injury
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David Elfin, of The Washington Times, reports Washington Redskins OG Randy Thomas said he played the second half of last season with a herniated disk in his neck, which could have ended his career or paralyzed him if he aggravated the injury the wrong way.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 17, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

"We don't have the luxury of "Best player" on the board regardless of position this year. We must draft "Best O lineman or DE" at #1. At #3 Best O lineman or LB. We just have to. And one of those two picks had GOT to be O line."

I disagree. I'm a staunch supporter of the BPA strategy. Drafting a mediocre player just because he fills a need will only leave a team running in circles. You draft the guy you have rated as the best pro prospect. If he happens to fill a need, that is icing on the cake.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 17, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

flounder - ESPN and NFL network were both talking about this yesterday as well.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 17, 2009 11:53 AM |

Sure they were because they look at the Post as a reliable source for Redskins news.

PFT picked up on the JLC post as well and did a story.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 17, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Seahawks | Will select Sanchez if available
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Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:45:40 -0700

ESPNews reports Todd McShay, of ESPN, has learned the Seattle Seahawks will take Southern California QB Mark Sanchez with the fourth pick in the 2009 NFL Draft if he is available.


This I believe, and if he was the one that broke the Redskins move up to draft Sanchez story, I would believe that to.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 17, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

"We don't have the luxury of "Best player" on the board regardless of position this year. We must draft "Best O lineman or DE" at #1. At #3 Best O lineman or LB. We just have to. And one of those two picks had GOT to be O line."

I disagree. I'm a staunch supporter of the BPA strategy. Drafting a mediocre player just because he fills a need will only leave a team running in circles. You draft the guy you have rated as the best pro prospect. If he happens to fill a need, that is icing on the cake.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 17, 2009 12:03 PM |

I don't think taking Tyson Jackson over Sanchez is picking up a mediocre player. I don't think grabbing Alex Mack at 13 instead of later in the first round is a bad thing. I don't think grabbing Duke Robinson at 13 instead of later in the first is a bad thing. Mediocre? Hardly. Any of those guys will be 10 year starters and go to multiple pro bowls.

After the first year, no one will care when in the first round we grabbed them. And the team will be MUCH better off than picking a top WR or "top" (unproven prospect) QB who probably will not contribute anything this year.

Posted by: edvar | April 17, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

"Patrick Ramsey brings up another variable that I think psps touched on. The fact that he was put in such a terrible position to start might have permanently damaged his confidence. You never know how guys are going to react to being pummeled...posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who"

Just for the record, I don't think Pat's problems were related to the scheme or the protection. Although he's very smart -- he graduated with a degree in accounting -- he also struggled with on the field decisions, even in college.

Ramsey was drafted mostly because he has a magnificent arm. Like Terry Bradshaw, he was a high school javelin champ, and those romantics in the Skins front office looked at him and imagined Bradshaw II. But if you viewed some of the early film on him, you noticed an immediate difference: Bradshaw always had touch. Ramsey didn't. As Gibbs noted, it was as if he was trying to throw the ball through a wall. Some guys with that problem turn into good quarterbacks, but most don't. It's a hard habit to break.

I hope he breaks it. A nice guy and a truly beautiful passer.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 17, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Yoder - I do normally support the BPA idea in the draft, but just not this year.

Posted by: edvar | April 17, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

So apparently Cooley is in a butter eating race on WJFK...
Eww

Posted by: alex35332 | April 17, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Seahawks | Will select Sanchez if available
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ESPNews reports Todd McShay, of ESPN, has learned the Seattle Seahawks will take Southern California QB Mark Sanchez with the fourth pick in the 2009 NFL Draft if he is available.

This is so the Redskins have to move up to 3 to get him and then they get KC out of the way so they can take Curry. Another Smoke screen.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 17, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

"You draft the guy you have rated as the best pro prospect. If he happens to fill a need, that is icing on the cake.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who"

That theory works if and only if you are able to accurately assess who the "best" player will be in the future. Most franchises are unable to do this with any reasonable sort of accuracy (seriously, Tom Brady slipping 6 rounds? Chris Horton dropping to the 7th? And you know this list goes on).

That's why, IMO, you almost always draft for need, unless you're team is lucky enough to have minimal or uncritical needs. That's also why I attempted to translate that "tier" system of drafting to the NFL in a post yesterday. At least if you draft for need, you're giving your draft pick a reasonable shot to make an impact. If you simply draft "BPA" (or what you perceive of it) it's possible you're making it much harder on yourself. The Redskins said Fred Davis was the best on the board last season, yet one pick later, DeSean Jackson was selected. Dividends aren't paying off for the Redskins on that one, at least as of right now (and that's not to say that Jackson would have been the correct pick, just that the Redskins incorrectly identified who the "BPA" was at that time).

Posted by: psps23 | April 17, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

edvar: "I don't think taking Tyson Jackson over Sanchez is getting a mediocre player. I don't think grabbing Alex Mack at 13 instead of later in the first round is a bad thing. I don't think grabbing Duke Robinson at 13 instead of later in the first is a bad thing. Mediocre? Hardly. Any of those guys will be 10 year starters and go to multiple pro bowls."

Could I borrow your crystal ball?

QB is definitely a riskier pick -- always. There were plenty of people touting Ryan Leaf over Peyton Manning when they were drafted. But a certain percentage of first round OL and DL players wash out as well. Picking a lineman is hardly a sure thing, even in a rich field like this one.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 17, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

This is exactly what's wrong with this team.

From Matt Mosley ESPN
"1. Will Redskins owner Dan Snyder select USC quarterback Mark Sanchez?"

I'll put emphasis on the "Will the ownder..."

The owner of any team should never make any personel moves.

If this were a real team, with a real agenda, with a real structure that supports winning and a winning philosphy it'd read "Will the Redskins choose..?

I hope it's all smoke screen but I do not put it past that guy.

Posted by: Devo2 | April 17, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Sup with the Ramsey love fest today? Not hatin', but where did it come from? Why?

Posted by: RedDMV | April 17, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

"After the first year, no one will care when in the first round we grabbed them. And the team will be MUCH better off than picking a top WR or "top" (unproven prospect) QB who probably will not contribute anything this year"

You're throwing out half of the equation. You're paying these guys money based on where they are drafted. You don't draft a guy in the 1st round when you could get him in the mid 2nd. Draft picks have value, it's all about getting the most bang for your buck. I'm not arguing that the Skins don't need to draft linemen, I'm just saying they shouldn't reach for one that isn't worth the pick.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 17, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Would anyone trade Cooley and a 3rd next year for Boldin?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 17, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone see CP last night on Sportscenter: On The Clock? CP was asked (of course) about the Mark Sanchez rumors and if he thinks Jason Campbell can be an elite QB. CP said Jason has the ability - that he just needs protection and that the only WR anyone can really name as a threat on our team is Santana.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 17, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Would anyone trade Cooley and a 3rd next year for Boldin?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 17, 2009 12:20 PM |

Arizona wouldn't make that trade so it makes the question irrelevant.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 17, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse


I think, though, we have gotten so wedded to the thirteenth pick, round one, we forget we can also find a quality tackle or center or guard in round 3.

Posted by MISTAMOE

Yeah, Chad Rinehart could use a running mate on the inactive list.

I think what you meant was a competent GM "can also find a quality tackle or center or guard in round 3." The 'skins don't got one of them.

You help re-enforce my plea to NOT trade away any more future picks. Another disastrous draft and Vinny may go and Snyder let in a REAL football man...


Posted by: TheCork | April 17, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

OK, the "No Way in Hell Should We Mortgage Next Year's Draft Picks, and Ignore Improving the OT Position This Year, to Move Up to Draft Curry Bandwagon" now has 7 on board, an overwhelming lead over the "Move Up to Draft Curry, Ignore O-line, and Kill Our 2010 Draft Bandwagon"...

So far, we've got:

moi (that means me, Moe)
thunder
will_ga
scampbell
MistaMoe
edvar
swowra

Anyone else interested in keeping our QB, whoever he is, upright and unbothered for 2-3 more seconds each play, giving the WR's more time to separate, widening holes for the RB's... and getting 7 more points a game this year?

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 17, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Ramsey was drafted mostly because he has a magnificent arm. Like Terry Bradshaw, he was a high school javelin champ, and those romantics in the Skins front office looked at him and imagined Bradshaw II. But if you viewed some of the early film on him, you noticed an immediate difference: Bradshaw always had touch. Ramsey didn't. As Gibbs noted, it was as if he was trying to throw the ball through a wall. Some guys with that problem turn into good quarterbacks, but most don't. It's a hard habit to break.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 17, 2009 12:12 PM

That just proves the point a couple of us were trying to make, Samson. With good coaching, Ramsey might have turned out to be Bradshaw II. If you put the HoF defense and dominant ground game around him, and coached him into easing up on some of his throws, who's to say he wouldn't be great? The stuff you said about him throwing through a wall on every throw reminds me a lot of Favre...and I doubt Favre is an all-time great QB without the tutelage of Holmgren and that steady Green Bay organization.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 17, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

edvar: "I don't think taking Tyson Jackson over Sanchez is getting a mediocre player. I don't think grabbing Alex Mack at 13 instead of later in the first round is a bad thing. I don't think grabbing Duke Robinson at 13 instead of later in the first is a bad thing. Mediocre? Hardly. Any of those guys will be 10 year starters and go to multiple pro bowls."

Could I borrow your crystal ball?

QB is definitely a riskier pick -- always. There were plenty of people touting Ryan Leaf over Peyton Manning when they were drafted. But a certain percentage of first round OL and DL players wash out as well. Picking a lineman is hardly a sure thing, even in a rich field like this one.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 17, 2009 12:18 PM

Absolutely true, there are no certainty's. But you still gotta pick.

My point is, if you don't like the "best" OT available, then perhaps the best Center available in the last few years would be a better choice, or one of the most promising guard prospects instead. But don't use a top pick on a superfluous area of need, when you have a very good chance of grabbing an impact player who can start at an area of huge need.

This whole mess exists because our draft strategy has been crap for too long. Particularly the way we piss away draft picks on poorly advised, desperate trades that never pan out and depart the team after a year.

Posted by: edvar | April 17, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

"That theory works if and only if you are able to accurately assess who the "best" player will be in the future."

That's what GM's are getting paid to do, right?

"At least if you draft for need, you're giving your draft pick a reasonable shot to make an impact. If you simply draft "BPA" (or what you perceive of it) it's possible you're making it much harder on yourself. The Redskins said Fred Davis was the best on the board last season, yet one pick later, DeSean Jackson was selected."

It's all about value, you only get a certain amount of draft picks. Why waste it on a guy you think "might" have a chance to contribute? You draft guys that you think can have the greatest impact talent-wise. Fred Davis will be better than Yoder...and he might be a better player than DeSean Jackson. It's been 1 year. If Vinny got this one wrong, it's more his fault in scouting than the BPA ideaology.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 17, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm sold... give me "Dirty" Sanchez!!

Build the team around him!

Posted by: noseman4681 | April 17, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

So if the BPA at 13 is a TE, we should get another?

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 17, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

They’re obviously trying to drum up the interest in Sanchez so someone like the Jets trades up for him thus causing a player they really want (Orakpo, Andre Smith?) to slide to them.

Yeah that’s the ticket.


Welcome to DC Mr. Sanchez. Keep your head on a swivel.

Posted by: skinswest | April 17, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Just accept it! Are quarterback of the future is in this draft.

I love anal.

Posted by: noseman4681 | April 17, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

yeah, but it's best to not describe something as retarded if you can't spell the word

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | April 16, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

That is a good rule of thumb

Posted by: moosepod | April 17, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

"So if the BPA at 13 is a TE, we should get another?"

Drafting a TE at 13 never makes sense, even when it's a need. Positions have tiers of value.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 17, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Ah, excellent dodge.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 17, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Not a dodge, just a fact.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 17, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

"You draft guys that you think can have the greatest impact talent-wise."

Exactly. That's not the same as BPA. Greatest impact, even talent-wise, is relative to who is already making an impact on the team.

Even if Fred Davis ends up being "better" than DeSean Jackson, if Jackson is putting up 1000 yards a year and the Redskins are starving for a productive #2 WR, #3, and #4 WRs like they were last year, Davis will hardly make up the difference playing behind Chris Cooley.

Posted by: psps23 | April 17, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Terry Bradshaw, here's a guy who was drafted from a southern school, had a great arm and tons of potential, but early on was part of a woeful Steelers team that was rebuilding along the leadership of a new coach (Noll). As the team as a whole was still developing, they suffered through many losses. Bradshaws early career was highlighted by fumbles, interceptions and losses. The fans were screaming for him to be replaced, that he didn't have what it takes to be a great QB, and yes, that he was stupid. Sound familiar? Once they straightened out the O-line and drafted a couple of receivers in 74, that stupid QB who didn't have "it" went on to win 4 super bowls in 6 years, and ended up in the hall of fame.

FIX THE O_LINE DANNY!!!!!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 17, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

"So if the BPA at 13 is a TE, we should get another?"

Drafting a TE at 13 never makes sense, even when it's a need. Positions have tiers of value.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who

----

So you're not an advocate of BPA. You're an advocate of BPA when it makes sense for the team. And when it makes sense depends on the position of the player, as you stated above.

Posted by: psps23 | April 17, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Dodge. Definitely not a fact. Must have been an exception in the fine print.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 17, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

"So you're not an advocate of BPA. You're an advocate of BPA when it makes sense for the team. And when it makes sense depends on the position of the player, as you stated above."

I'm an advocate of having the talent of player match the number of the draft pick. It all comes down to value. It just so happens certain positions are put at a premium, and as a result, are more valuable.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 17, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Is there any chance that this Sanchez intrest is a ploy by the FO to get some other team to part with a few draft picks to move up to get him at 13? gawd, i hope so - hell i'm even good if they draft him and trade him away that same day! but if they don't get some O line help it won't matter who's back there slinging the ol' pig skin

Posted by: RedBaron2008 | April 17, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Best Player Available doesn't mean all that much in the first round. There are probably three or four players who rate about even by the time the 13th pick rolls around. Vinny will have a choice, and still be able to claim he followed his 'draft philosophy'.

For instance, there'll likely be somebody on the O-line, the D-line, and at LB who grade out close enough to be called even. Vinny can just pick one. He'll be selecting for need, but with plausible deniability. How Washington, huh?

The wild card is those QBs. Every year we go through this cycle of inflation and deflation of QB ratings. Stafford, the early favorite, went through a period of criticism back in March but now seems back in the driver's seat. Sanchez, whose own coach proclaimed to all that he wasn't ready, looks like this year's Jay Cutler (late riser). Josh Freeman, the big-framed, big-armed unknown from Kansas State, has faded a little in the last few weeks.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 17, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

C’mon now, get real, there’s no exact science that determines BPA at every selection. There is no perfect knowledge supporting “having the talent of player match the number of the draft pick”. Within any close range of the (perceived) talent of college players (except for occasional true elites at the very top, and not every draft has such true perceived elites like Calvin J, etc), it’s a crap shoot… so for the Redskins, when # 13 comes up, and someone’s BPA analysis (and everyone in their draft room has different opinions on this) says the BPA is a DT, but the next BPA after that is an OT or a strong-side DE, you’re saying the Redskins should take the DT even though we’re strong at that position, because that BPA is guaranteed to do better (or eventually get more value in trade) than the next ranked BPA? Uh no. You go for “need within a reasonable range of guesses as to BPA”. Because it’s far from science...

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 17, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I guess 09 is supposed to be the Year of the O-Tackle. That's no guarantee of success if you draft a tackle, however. 2008 was the Year of the Running Back, remember? Five in the first round. Of that group, McFadden, Felix Jones, and Mendenhall contributed little, while did little, while Stewart and Chris Johnson were hits the first year. And Matt Forte, the second rounder, outperformed all of them.

Of course, the team that drafts them has a lot to do with their eventual success. But counting on a big contribution from a rook, even at an instinct position like tailback, involves a lot of risk.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 17, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Why do I have a feeling we are going to something really stupid on the 1st day of the draft?

Is this going to be like the draft when everyone thought we were getting Kellen Winslow, but got Sean Taylor? Or is it going to be like last year? I loved when we got Taylor, not so much about last year. Here's hoping that Snyder falls down the stairs and is rendered unconscious for the year.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | April 17, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Also, here's to the Seahawks, may you ruin Snyder's plans and not trade your pick to us.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | April 17, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Just got back from the gym, and the local sports talk radio was reporting that they've heard rumors that the Ravens are interested in trading for ABoldin. If that happens, which will be written more often, that Haynesworth is the highest paid player, or that the Ravens acquired Boldin.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 17, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

Ravens acquire Boldin, after JLC gets done in the bathroom.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 17, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

brownwood: "That just proves the point a couple of us were trying to make, Samson. With good coaching, Ramsey might have turned out to be Bradshaw II."

It doesn't prove the point -- it contradicts it. Ramsey had plenty of coaching in college and the pros, and apparently never overcame his habits. SO the available evidence is that in fact, coaching didn't fix that flaw. You're arguing that's a sign that the coaching was poor. I'm saying: how do you know? I mean, they were professional coaches, right? Joe Gibbs, for one. Clearly it would have made those coaches lives easier if Pat had become a good QB.

To my eye, Favre was like Bradshaw -- a great natural deep thrower with touch, who had to learn to throw short and middle stuff. Ramsey, IMO, lacked touch altogether. He's learned to take something off the throw, but he still has problems with his decision-making.

Anyway, we're into subjective territory here. We can't argue he would have turned out better under a different coach, because he had several coaches, and we see how he turned out. The rest is speculative.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 17, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

By the way, Todd Collins had some early opportunities to start in Buffalo and struggled. Twelve or thirteen years later he was a master technician. Maybe Ramsey is the same sort of QB. At some point, he'll 'get it' and we'll see the great QB emerge.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 17, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Report: Bills Trade Peters To Eagles
Posted by Aaron Wilson on April 17, 2009, 1:32 p.m. EDT

The Buffalo Bills have traded Pro Bowl offensive tackle Jason Peters to the Philadelphia Eagles, according to Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com.

In exchange for Peters, the Bills receive the Eagles’ 28th overall pick of the first round as well as a second-day draft pick in this year’s draft and a late-round draft pick in 2010.

Peters has been unhappy with his contract and hasn’t been attending the Bills’ offseason activities after staging a holdout last summer at training camp.

Presumably, Peters will be seeking a new deal from his new employers.

The Eagles needed an offensive tackle after starter Tra Thomas left in free agency. Jon Runyan is a free agent and has been battling injuries.

Posted by: TWISI | April 17, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

One more and I'll go away: The Ravens would be a much better fit for Boldin than the Iggles.He is not Andy Reid's kind of football player. And Braylon Edwards needs a coach with a feel for the passing game -- that's not Tom Coughlin.


Posted by: Samson151 | April 17, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

twis, thanks for posting.

Sounds like the bills made out like bandits...someone posted a while back that peters was something like the worst RT in the NFL.....save for JJ...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 17, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

That doesn't sound good.. so now the Bills may target an OT with their # 11 pick? We don't need more teams, above us in the draft, in need of an OT.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 17, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Danny Boy and Vinnie Servant are complete idiots. No quarterback will ever be good on this team until there is

a) an offensive line that can protect
b) receivers other than Moss and Cooley who can get open
c) a defense that can create turnovers and field position

Danny & Vinny, last time I checked the game was played 11 on 1l. You numskulls seem to think it is the same as the 7 on 7's the team runs on Saturday walk through.

Football at its heart requires both physicality (i.e. line play, defense) and intellect (quarterbacking).

Posted by: tconway | April 17, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Why draft a QB in an EXTREMELY WEAK QB draft class this year?!

Especially when next years QB draft class is SO STRONG!!

The only reason Sanchez left USC early was cuz he probably wouldn't have gone any higher than the 3rd round in next years draft!

Smart move on his parts, but bad move for whoever drafts him.

Posted by: filmchis | April 17, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Why draft a QB in an EXTREMELY WEAK QB draft class this year?!

Especially when next years QB draft class is SO STRONG!!

The only reason Sanchez left USC early was cuz he probably wouldn't have gone any higher than the 3rd round in next years draft!

Smart move on his parts, but bad move for whoever drafts him.

Posted by: filmchis | April 17, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

TC,
Wow, I suddenly got optimistic reading your comment.

What if:
a) Heyer and Rienhart pan out this year and Dock returns to form
b) DT, MK and FD become competent route runners and pass catchers
c) Haynesworth makes the pocket crumble and forces the QB to throw more picks and give the other D players freedom to make more plays

If those things happen, things are looking up -- plus the draft doesn't loom so large.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 17, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

We should trade up to get Sanchez and then take Curry instead!

Really, if the FO trades this year's 1st round pick and next year's 1st round pick in order to take Sanchez, they are certifiably crazy.

Regarding Orakpo, most experts are listing him as a 34 linebacker. Since we need a left DE, I'd rather take Tyson Jackson, who is viewed by scouts as more of a sure bet to have a long and successful NFL career.

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | April 17, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Would anyone trade Cooley and a 3rd next year for Boldin?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice

more logic to this one than maybe is apparent. AZ is weak at TE, Cooley is a big upgrade for them and they are a pass first team. We have a talented TE backup who is a major investment (a #2 pick, a year of development, an alarm clock ...).

Not sure if the cap stuff works, but its the type of thing that both teams could benefit from.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 17, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

btw,
Stranger things have happened.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 17, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Where's the SIGN CHRIS COOLEY guy?
He should be posting obscenities right about now.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 17, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

There are 6 on The Trade Up For Curry Wagon:
tripz
tdawg
theFreshinAU
zeke
DG28
amsaul


If we get to 10, then we get a band and become a bandwagon.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 17, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

"C’mon now, get real, there’s no exact science that determines BPA at every selection. There is no perfect knowledge supporting “having the talent of player match the number of the draft pick”."

No kidding, but scouts and GM's try their hardest to figure it out every year. After watching film, combine workouts and reviewing psych exams, these guys make an educated guess. I don't know about you, but I want the best guy left on their board. Draft picks are finite, you have to get the best value in order to be successful. Free agency is the best place to fill "needs". Just so happens the Skins FO is terrible at it.

In the end drafting isn't black and white. Teams obviously have to look at their current rosters to eliminate drafting certain positions and to highlight potential weaknesses. My main point has been: don't draft a guy just because he fills a need. Draft him because he is worth the pick and you want him on your team.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 17, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I have not seen any:
SIGN JASON CAMPBELL guys.

However, there seems to be a plethora of
TRADE UP FOR CURRY guys.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 17, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

There's a cool video of CP on Redskins.com horsing around with some Special Olympics kids.

Can't help but love CP off the field when he isn't complaining about the team.

Posted by: swowra | April 17, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Would anyone trade Cooley and a 3rd next year for Boldin?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice

more logic to this one than maybe is apparent. AZ is weak at TE, Cooley is a big upgrade for them and they are a pass first team. We have a talented TE backup who is a major investment (a #2 pick, a year of development, an alarm clock ...).

Not sure if the cap stuff works, but its the type of thing that both teams could benefit from.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 17, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Exactly... Plus we don't have anything else to offer.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 17, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

The closest thing to a consensus on this board is that the Skins priority should fix their problems/question marks. For most, that seems to boil down to OL, LB and DE. A few think CB and WR.

But its all over the map on Campbell. The real issue on the QB is that the history in drafting QBs is also all over the map.

Drafting is a risk/reward thing. When someone is labeled 'safe', that's a very good thing.

I'm not one to give Vinny much credit, but at least since the start of Gibbs 2.0, NONE of our 1st round picks have been busts (Campbell, Landry, Rogers, ST21). He's done well there.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 17, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Stumped - as posted earlier:

OK, the "No Way in Hell Should We Mortgage Next Year's Draft Picks, and Ignore Improving the OT Position This Year, to Move Up to Draft Curry Bandwagon" now has 7 on board, an overwhelming lead over the "Move Up to Draft Curry, Ignore O-line, and Kill Our 2010 Draft Bandwagon"...

So far, we've got:

moi (that means me, Moe)
thunder
will_ga
scampbell
MistaMoe
edvar
swowra

Anyone else interested in keeping our QB, whoever he is, upright and unbothered for 2-3 more seconds each play, giving the WR's more time to separate, widening holes for the RB's... and getting 7 more points a game this year?

_______

There's an even greater plethora saying no way in hell to trading up for Curry.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 17, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 17, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

have not seen any:
SIGN JASON CAMPBELL guys.

However, there seems to be a plethora of
TRADE UP FOR CURRY guys.

Posted by: _Stumped_

I'm on the 'sign JC' cart (since it takes 10 to be a bandwagon, I guess its not a bandwagon yet) because I've seen enough to know he can be a good QB.

I'll admit to being surprised at the size of the Curry wagon so far. Thought it might have just 1 guy on it!!! Coming out out of the woodwork, I guess

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 17, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Since Buffalo now has the 28th pick that is one more potential trading partner if the Skins want to trade down. Buffalo has the 28th and the 42nd.

If the Pats wanted to move up they have the 23rd and 34th, and also the 47th.

Denver has 18 and 48.

Miami has 25 and 44.

So there isn't the obvious trading partner like there was last year with Atlanta.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 17, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Even though we need O-line help, I believe drafting either of the two guys who may fall to us would be a mistake. I really don't like Smith from 'Bama, and I am not thrilled with Oher (though I think he is safer then Smith). I would like d-line help and I am thinking Ayers from Tenn. is the right pick!!

Posted by: rudybux1 | April 17, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Chas,
I've been ribbing Zeke for a week about the Trade Up for Curry drumbeat (tongue in cheek). I don't discount Curry's abilities, or Zeke's opinion (I just get a kick out of his extreme lobbying effort).

I'm a BAP guy and believe OL is the greatest need.

I would trade down for more picks before trading up. If we do trade up, I'd prefer Curry to Sanchez.

But trading up is way down my list.

In reality, I'd be happy with any sensical pick at #13, versus the nonsensical pick.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 17, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

"Why draft a QB in an EXTREMELY WEAK QB draft class this year?!Especially when next years QB draft class is SO STRONG!!

The only reason Sanchez left USC early was cuz he probably wouldn't have gone any higher than the 3rd round in next years draft!"
Posted by: filmchis"

I'm sure I've said this before, but I don't know where people get the idea next year's class is so strong at QB. Deep, sure. Strong? Too early to tell.

Bradford starts the season at the top, much as Matt Stafford did in 08. He's tall and accurate. Colt McCoy is a whole step below. He's also accurate, and more mobile, but not as sturdy. Both played in offenses in college that are vastly different from what they'll see in the pros (just ask Vince Young).

Tim Tebow is a formidable athlete and a winner but he too plays in a scheme that just doesn't exist outside the college ranks. Who's going to want a QB that's primarily a runner? Well, I guess the Titans did, a couple years back, and maybe it will pan out, but clearly there's a learning curve.

Jevan Snead's the late climber, and he's a talented guy. Could move up quite a ways. Strangely, he might be the best prepared for the League.

Bradford and McCoy didn't come out this year becsuse they weren't ready. Same thing the USC coach said about Sanchez. But Mark actually may turn out to be better than the other two juniors. He'll certainly be better prepared for a WCO.

The real big talent this season is the kid Freeman from K-State, but he's a long way from ready, too. And he's more talented than any of the guys coming out in 2010.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 17, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

chasgiffen

Funny, because I know I'm in the minority. I was pretty much the lone voice for trading up to pick Curry. Once it got past 2, it had surpassed my expectation!!

I think Curry takes our defense from good to elite, helps us maintain a core group of defenders for the next 5 years (Curry at LB, Albert on the DL + the 4 guys in the secondary). And we'll need to win with defense.

I'm not 'anti' the draft OL folks if Curry proves to pricey to get.

Here's my recommended draft approach:

1. Offer our 1st from this year and next to any team as long as Curry is on the board.

if that falls thru

2. Decide on which OL would be most effective for us and trade up to make sure we get that person

if that fails thru

3. Draft the best available of DE, OLB and OT with the #13 pick

Spend the rest of the draft on OL

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 17, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

And I should add that with such a variety of needs (even if just for depth), there is no reason we can't make picks that are BPA and address needs.

I don't want to see us leaving a solid OL, or DE/OLB up there and drafting a safety or corner, for example. Or QB either!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 17, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Gotcha, Stumped...

Personally I'd love to see us do some horse-trading (but without touching any of next year's high picks) to get both [1] one of those allegedly very good C/G's (Alex Mack or Max Unger) plus [2] a highly regarded low 1R or 2R OT (and then strong side DE's and LB's with any remaining draft picks)... That would absolutely make my weekend (next weekend). Looking forward to it regardless, as long as the choices/strategies are indeed sensical.

C'mon FO, let's build that O-wall!

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 17, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Samson,
So which of those QBs IS seriously ready to start as a rookie in the NFL?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 17, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

have not seen any:
SIGN JASON CAMPBELL guys.

However, there seems to be a plethora of
TRADE UP FOR CURRY guys.

Sign Jason Campbell. He has the skills to be an elite QB in the NFL. He is not a Patrick Ramsey. He is mobile, he is learning to be a very good game manager, he isn't going to scramble just to scramble like a Michael Vick. He has a weak supporting cast yet continues to make dramatic improvement, in spite of 3 changes to the offensive system since he was designated the starting QB. And these improvements are proven statistically.

He has the potential to be better than the current "elite" Peyton Manning. He is the Redskin's best bet yet to achieve a new "Sonny".

1st 4 years Sonny Jurgensen.
Year, Age, Team, Games, GS, Record, CMP, ATT, CMP %, Yards, TD, TD %, INT, INT %, LONG, Y/A, AY/A, Y/C, Y/G, RATING

1957 23 PHI 10 5 2-3-0 33 70 47.1 470 5 7.1 8 11.4 61 6.7 2.3 14.2 47.0 53.6

1958 24 PHI 12 0 12 22 54.5 259 0 0.0 1 4.5 61 11.8 9.7 21.6 21.6 77.7

1959 25 PHI 12 0 3 5 60.0 27 1 20.0 0 0.0 19 5.4 7.4 9.0 2.3 114.2

1960 26 PHI 12 0 24 44 54.5 486 5 11.4 1 2.3 71 11.0 11.2 20.3 40.5 122.0

1st 4 years Doug Williams

Year Age Tm Pos G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate

1978 23 TAM QB 10 10 4-6-0 73 194 37.6 1170 7 3.6 8 4.1 56 6.0 4.5 16.0 117.0 53.4 6 69 5.5 4.1 3.0

1979 24 TAM QB 16 16 10-6-0 166 397 41.8 2448 18 4.5 24 6.0 66 6.2 3.9 14.7 153.0 52.5 7 57 5.9 3.7 1.7

1980 25 TAM QB 16 16 5-10-1 254 521 48.8 3396 20 3.8 16 3.1 61 6.5 5.5 13.4 212.3 69.9 23 194 5.9 4.9 4.2

1981 26 TAM QB 16 16 9-7-0 238 471 50.5 3563 19 4.0 14 3.0 84 7.6 6.6 15.0 222.7 76.8 18 135 7.0 6.1 3.7

Posted by: periculum | April 17, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Draft picks aside, this is probably the most important thing to watch for.

b) DT, MK and FD become competent route runners and pass catchers

The addition of Dock should help and the OL will start out healthy anyway. It's also a pretty safe bet that Haynesworth is going to be a monster.

I feel better, time to get some wo#k done.

Out.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 17, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

However, there seems to be a plethora of
TRADE UP FOR CURRY guys.

If you are going to trade up you should select an impact player. A player you believe will be another Haynesworth. A game changer.

That would either be Aaron Curry or Andre Smith.

NOT Mark Sanchez. He is not an elite college QB. He is probably at most a Joe Theisman clone. He will not be an elite pro QB. He is not a Tom Brady.

Posted by: periculum | April 17, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey ZCE, I'd love to get Curry and try to make the entire D elite. I love killer LB's, my favorite player ever was Jack Mad Dog Lambert (and LaVar was awesome, for a while, knocking Aikman into his next career)... But OL is the gaping hole on this team, so not closing it means we can't go far even if we upgrade our already #4 D. Plus I simply don't like the odds of giving two # 1's, given the standard wash-out rate at all positions (as you and I have discussed at length before).

Let's close the big O-hole first, then work on upgrading elsewhere.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 17, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

For me, when I think draft, I look out 2 years and try to figure out who will be here and who won't.

Then I look to see how that team could succeed. To me, its got to be about having an elite defense. Having the 6 guys mentioned earlier (Albert, Curry, Rogers, Hall, Landry and Horton) will mean that our defense will always keep us competitive -- and possibly dominant depending on how the other parts mesh.

On offense, there are only 2 guys (Dock and Cooley) who are solid to be here in 2 years. Some (Portis, Moss) may still be here, but are at risk for being over the hill. Others (Reinhart, Thomas, Kelly, Davis) have yet to catch on. And some are simply getting old (Samuels, Rabach, Thomas, Jansen, Sellers, Thrash, Collins).

I saw this coming 2 years ago. In 2007, I recommended drafting ONLY OL. In 2008, I recommended using 4 picks on the OL. In 2009, I just don't see a way to plug the holes without being very lucky.

To me, its win with defense. We can have a great defense. On offense, we've dug a deep hole. I don't know how to fix that at this point without being lucky.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 17, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

IMHO, I think they need too many players this year given the competition in the division. Most experts pick the Eagles and Giants, followed by the Cowpokes and Redskins.

They should trade down and run the risk of letting Vinny and Mel Kiper make the picks again. Hopefully they will be smart enough to draft decent OT, OG/C, WR, LB, DE, CB, and K.

Trading Cooley might be worthwhile, if he has any value as a draft pick. I agree with that suggestion.

Posted by: periculum | April 17, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I wish Casserly was here still.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 17, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Here's my recommended draft approach:

1. Offer our 1st from this year and next to any team as long as Curry is on the board.


Oh, please don't do that. I am opposed to trading any of our picks next year for anything on that draft board. We will need ALL of our picks next year as well.

We are not going to be a Superbowl team this year (maybe play offs though...), so that means we are not one or two players away. We need lots of help on O line, DE, LB, CB and probably RB pretty soon (Clinton is gonna be 28 when the season begins) and maybe WR. We will need ALL of our picks, especially the first day picks.

Patience and focus, combined with a 2-3 year plan will pay big dividends down the line.

Posted by: edvar | April 17, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

If they trade a single pick to move up and draft Sanchez, I will sell my seasons tickets and become an Giants fan. At least 3 years ago when everyone was dumping on Eli, the front office stuck with him and gave him the tools to win. Our management is a joke and they will continue to waste picks on quarterbacks while giving them no help on the line. Without another HOGS era, there will be no more Super Bowl. O and D lines win Super Bowls. There are a few truths in football. 1) No one wins a Super Bowl with a bad offensive line, unless they have a great defense. 2) Having a great quarterback alone does not make you a winner (see: Philip Rivers). You can not develop a great quarterback without a good offensive line (see: David Carr, Patrick Ramsey, and any of the top QB flame outs). Is JaCam the next great QB, maybe not, but who cares? We won with Rypien and Williams. Dilfer has a ring b/c the organization he play for understood you win and lose games in the trenches. Sad that our management has yet to grasp that very simple concept.

Posted by: mmmhmmm | April 17, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Vinny! Trade down you idiot!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | April 17, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

IMHO, based on ESPN's college performance evaluator, attitude, demeanor, performance in pre season games. Colt Brennan appears to be the better choice over Mark Sanchez.

It seems likely (given the eastern division) that Campbell will not start every game due to injury. With an improved offensive line I think Colt Brennan could perform well.

They consider drafting another QB, in a lower round, to replace Collins.


Posted by: periculum | April 17, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Countdown to "Don't let the door hit you..." post in 3...2...1...

Posted by: mack1 | April 17, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

So, with the news about Randy Thomas' neck plate, and knowing that Heyer is on the roster and Kendall is not, now I'm thinking maybe about a guard rather than a tackle ... or a mulligan on last year and a chance to trade up for Brandon Albert.

Posted by: dcsween | April 17, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Max Unger ... or Alex Mack ... or MacMuffin ...

Posted by: dcsween | April 17, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

476 comments. Enough. Time to start a NEW rumor.

Posted by: bones21 | April 17, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Here's my recommended draft approach:
1. Offer our 1st pick this year and next to the Rams first, the Seattle, etc. Get the Rams [or other's pick].

1a. FOOL 'EM ALL! Then offer that to the Jets, et al AND TRADE down for 2 firsts, a second, another third ... at least one 1st, 2 seconds, and an additional third.

1c. Draft OL (LT AND GC), LB, CB, DE, WR, K


2. If Snidely must make a "splash" offer our 1st from this year and next to any team as long as Andre Smith and Aaron Curry is on the board.

2a. Convince Snidely to draft Andre Smith

if that falls thru

2b. Convince Snidely to draft Aaron Curry

if that falls thru

3. Decide on which OL would be most effective. Convince Snidely to draft him.

if that fails thru

3. Convince Snidely to draft the best available of OT, OLD, DE, OLB IN THAT ORDER with the #13 pick.

Consider trading Cooley for picks.

3a. Draft the best OG/C available in the later rounds. Then LB/CB. Then WR/K.

Posted by: periculum | April 17, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

maybe i'm echoing statements in here already, but any chance of trading Vinny away? He's got value, right?

Posted by: dadanimal | April 17, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

So, with the news about Randy Thomas' neck plate, and knowing that Heyer is on the roster and Kendall is not, now I'm thinking maybe about a guard rather than a tackle ... or a mulligan on last year and a chance to trade up for Brandon Albert.

Posted by: dcsween | April 17, 2009 3:30 PM |

Duke Robinson, Andy Levitre or Alex Mack - who can play either C/G.

Levitre or T.J. Land (6-4 312 E Mic.) could still be on the board in 3rd round depending on how it falls. Robinson could go round one, but is likely gone round 2.

Posted by: edvar | April 17, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Sorry - T.J. Lang - not Land...

Posted by: edvar | April 17, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

JLC DO you ever work....we are a week(weak) from the Draft, and you can't even get a morsel thrown to you. You must be hated in that building....and you are not usable in your position any longer...QUIT!!

Posted by: russberlin65 | April 17, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I have been a lifelong Redskins fan since 1958 and I have to tell you I have never seen a team so badly mismanaged.I am almost to the point where I don't even want to follow anymore. I cant even fathom the rational these two idiots came up with to think that moving up to pick Mark Sanchez would be a good thing. Not only would it leave the Skins devoid of any significant draft picks for the next few years but it would set the offense back at least three to four years. Jason Campbell deserves better. Give him a chance to run the show with same coach and lets see how he does. Let concentrate on protecting him rather than humiliating him. What Danny boy doesn't quite seem to understand is this; while we all know this is business and the name of game is winning but what he is doing to morale and team chemistry will come back to bite him in the ass.
Here is what they should do. Hoping that Sanchez does indeed fall to 13 the Skins should trade down with maybe the Broncos or Lions(if they do not draft Stafford with the first pick). Hopefully by doing so they could pick up a 2nd and 3rd round pick. If they did that they still would have a first rounder which they could use for a offensive lineman.Plenty of good ones out there. That would leave them with a 2nd and two 3rd round picks to look at adding depth to the d-line and linebacking corps.

Posted by: davidcampbell1 | April 17, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

In case this hasn't been posted already... this is a must watch. You have to love CP.

http://www.nbcwashington.com/sports/football/Portis_Trades_Dance_Moves_With_Special_Olympians_Washington_DC.html

Posted by: beatkal | April 17, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

David -

It seems so obvious. Perhaps that is why it continues to elude...

Posted by: edvar | April 17, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

The best path for this team to be successful is to develop the 'elite defense', combine it with a 'don't beat yourself' offense and improvements on special teams (K and P, specifically).

Last year, we had that offense. We fumbled a bit too much and had a few too many costly penalties. But except for the Kendall fumble, the offense rarely made game changing bad plays.

Adding Curry + Albert (even with the losses of Springs, Marcus, Evans & Taylor) can get us to elite on defense in 2009. The 2 DE's and Rocky aren't world beaters, but the other 8 spots would be very strong. Depth at LB and CB would remain an issue, though probably manageable.

The 2008 defense was really bad at producing turnovers. The upgrades of Albert and Curry would mean a lot of 3rd and long situations -- as both guys are beasts at the line of scrimmage.

I'm not sure any team would be able to run on us. Which means they'd have to pass. The strength of the 2008 team was the secondary -- and every starter in the secondary is still in the 'improving' phase of their careers.

That leaves special teams and well, I just accept that we're cursed.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 17, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Z -

I still think building the O line needs to be a part of your idea. Ball control through a pounding running game would mesh rather nicely with you dominant D.

Let's chain up some beasts on both sides of the line and let the big boys play!

Posted by: edvar | April 17, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone else as bothered by the Randy Thomas story as I am? First, if you are a doctor, how do you let a guy go on the field with a noteworthy risk of paralysis? All players run risks, no doubt. But there is ZERO reason to play someone when we're talking about a significantly increased risk of paralysis.

Second, how could the coaches and management not stop and put Thomas's health ahead of everything else.

Third (and not nearly as important, but still noteworthy), its not like Thomas was playing lights out in the 2nd half. How bad was Reinhart that the team was willing to risk Thomas and not even let Reinhart dress for the games?

Something about that story is very wrong/misleading or I just lost a lot of respect for a bunch of people.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 17, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Beantown,

Peters is actually one of the better OT in the league and a 2 time pro-bowler. Who ever said he was one of the worst doesn't know what they are talking about. And all the Eagles had to give up was a late 1st rounder and a 2nd day pick. Crap.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 17, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

edvar, I read somewhere that Max Unger started nearly every game in his college career at either a left tackle or center ... sounds kind of versatile (or like a scaredy cat who won't play guard).

Posted by: dcsween | April 17, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

If we draft Mark Sanchez then I will no longer be a NFL football fan anymore...I would rather not be a fan then start rooting for another team.

Posted by: kickass10101 | April 17, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Kickass
I couldn't agree with you more. Hopefully all this talk about getting Sanchez is all a smokescreen as Danny tries to out smart the likes of Belicheck and Parcels.

Posted by: davidcampbell1 | April 17, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Z -

I still think building the O line needs to be a part of your idea. Ball control through a pounding running game would mesh rather nicely with you dominant D.

Let's chain up some beasts on both sides of the line and let the big boys play!

Posted by: edvar

I'd love an earthmoving OL. If the front office had followed my approach, we'd have drafted 9 OL in the last 2 drafts!! And I recommend every pick but 1 be used on the OL this year.

One way to get that earthmoving OL is by bringing in large numbers of guys and finding a few that surprise you. Of the top 3 Hogs, I think Bostic and Jacoby were undrafted, Grimm maybe a 3rd rounder. Lachey was the only 1st rounder I recall and he came later, via trade.

In any case, I'm not much apart from most people. Some are very reluctant to part with picks, but on defense, one more very high quality part goes a long way (at LB or DE).

On offense, I see it as a case of resetting expectations. The talent is pretty good, its health that is such a problem. Which guys will break down this year? fwiw, I subscribe to the 'OL is only as good as its weakest link' theory.

I'd get behind a plan that had us drafting mostly OL for the next 2-3 years. Without the horses up front, everything else suffers.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 17, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

So the Eagles now will have Jason Peters at tackle. All the more reason to strengthen our oline. We've got to have on oline that can compare well with the other three to remain competitive.

Posted by: will_ga | April 17, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Z -

We stand as one.

Posted by: edvar | April 17, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 17, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

That was great CP26 piece with him and the special olympic peeps!! He is a good dude,,,,,,,

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 17, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I say we draft in the 6th or 7th round this year that kicker from USC. David Buehler he ran a 4.62 40 time and he bench pressed 25 reps. that is the type of kicker I want. he also can kick incase we need hime to but the dude is 6'2", 225. he level some people on the sideline like Mr. Frost used to do

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 17, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

edvar, I read somewhere that Max Unger started nearly every game in his college career at either a left tackle or center ... sounds kind of versatile (or like a scaredy cat who won't play guard).

Posted by: dcsween | April 17, 2009 4:12 PM

That's why I',m a big fan of Alex Mack and Andy Levitre as well. Mack can play Center or Gaurd, and Levitre played tackle in college but would move nicely to guard.

And Z -

Talking about late round 2nd day prospects that may surprise, I'm keeping my eyes on:

OT Alex Boone 6-7 328 Ohio State
Guard Herman Johnson 6-7 364 LSU
Guard Greg Isdaner 6-3 325 (WV)
Guard Roger Allen 6-3 326 (M.W.)
Guard Paul Fanaika 6-6 336

Big Boyz!

let's see if they can play.

Posted by: edvar | April 17, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

skins281:
round #6. HELLO.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 17, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

"Samson,So which of those QBs IS seriously ready to start as a rookie in the NFL?Posted by: _Stumped_"

Probably none. THey'll all need some time on the bench. Not a Matt Ryan (mature QB) in the bunch. And you saw how Ryan struggled in the playoffs.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 17, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

When Danny and Vinny the Pasta Boy draft Sanchez after having LIED to Jason Campbell and Zorn, will all the KoolAide Brigade please leave the blog...???

Posted by: i155133 | April 18, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

PLEEZ do not move up and get Sanchez.

Down instead to Lions at 20 for their 1st and 2nd. They will try for Freeman and if they draft well, will take OL first overall.

1 Laurinitis LB
2-5 OL/ DL

If you have to get another QB try McGee or another value QB - stop this celebrity bs--

Posted by: ElYeah | April 19, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse

1st #13 Brian Cushing LB USC
3rd #80 Phil Loadholt OT OU
5th #150 Matt Shaugnessy DE Wisconsin
6th #186 Cedric Dockery G UT
7th #243 comp pick Colt David K LSU

I dont think Loadholt will be there. But there is a nice guard from Wis thats big and can move [weird last name]as well as G Greg Isdaner WVu. Cushing isnt a bad pick at 13, I like Magaluga as well.
5th rd Palmer OLB Old Miss or Utah DE Kruger? [i think]
6th rd better take the kicker now
7th comp pick I like your 5th and 6th picks and I think we can get either one here at #243


Posted by: toons123 | April 19, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Chances are that whoever we pick at 13 won't make much impact on the team next year - trade the pick and the 2010 3rd round pick to the Cards for Anquan Boldin.

Posted by: coparker5 | April 19, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

not a bad idea with Boldin.....Lions 20th and there 2nd for the 13th would be real nice. We should also ask for there 4th next yr.........just for S and giggles

Posted by: toons123 | April 19, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

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