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More, on Sonny vs. Zorn

Dan Steinberg has the details on Jim Zorn's further response Monday to Sonny Jurgensen's criticism of the third-and-5 call Sunday against the Rams.

It all stemmed from this postgame exchange Sunday:

"Third down, I'm the quarterback, and you call the halfback throwing the ball for me, I'm calling timeout or calling an audible," Jurgensen said. "I'm not letting the halfback throw it. That's what you pay me for."
"Well, then, I would have to take you out of the game," Zorn countered. "As soon as you called timeout, I'd say what's wrong with my play, because...."
"It didn't work!" Jurgensen interrupted.
There was a long pause.
"No, but I called it to work. All right?" Zorn said. "We called it to work. It didn't work. There were a lot of plays out there that didn't work. And I'd take you out of the game. Sorry, Sonny."

And Steinberg has more on Robert Henson's apology for his tweets Sunday.

By Cindy Boren  |  September 21, 2009; 2:28 PM ET
 
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Sonny is FIRST class...and Zorn he is out of his...

Posted by: cosmiccatnip1 | September 21, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Totally agree with Sonny. 3rd and goal at the 5. You pitch it to the right, defense will stop you. So lets have portis throw the ball, that will totally trick them!

Dumb playcall. If you run that play, run it on 1st or 2nd down, not 3rd where you only have one option. Just terrible play calling in the redzone.

5 pass plays were called in the red zone. 1 was a shovel pass, 1 was the portis pass, 1 was the sellars drop, 1 was the thomas drop. For years and years the skins have had problems in the red zone. Kelly and Thomas are suppose to be the big WR for the red zone. So they can throw that fade. Well call the Fade then Zorn.

Posted by: gandorfdapirate | September 21, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn = Michael Scott


" I want all the credit and none of the blame"

Posted by: GreatOne1 | September 21, 2009 2:41 PM

Posted by: GreatOne1 | September 21, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

While we grow increasingly tired of Jason Campbell's habit of deflecting guilt to others, and try to understand some other people's interests in digging deep for some positive news in this otherwise dismal performance -- I can only vomit when Coach Zorn suggests that the offensive line's efforts to "protect Jason" stood out as one of the highlights of Sunday's play.

We should remember that this coach was a dismal quarterback in his own right -- and now appears to have an unhealthy tolerance for his quarterback's sustained rotten performance. (Like father, like son?)

It shows once again that while Zorn might have something to offer as a quarterbacks coach, he will never, ever be true head coaching material -- if only because he refuses to make the tough decisions like benching Campbell and getting someone -- anyone -- out there who can make some plays and score some points.


Posted by: Vic1 | September 21, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

See, What had happened was.......

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | September 21, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Too add to my former comments, isn't it strange that week in and week out Zorn praises Campbell's "decision-making" and then when they are in the red zone Zorn doesn't trust Campbell enough to audible out of the play the defense has predicted?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 21, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Watch your back coach. As Sonny goes, so goes Danny Boy.

Posted by: Zorny | September 21, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is garbage

Posted by: jonthefisherman | September 21, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Can Sonny Jurgensen play RG?

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 21, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Sure Vic - tell us what was rotten about JC's performance yesterday?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 21, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

And sand castles are built by children to withstand the tide. What happens there?

Zoron the Moron.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 21, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

great one GreatOne! JZ=MS....love it....

What was the bumper sticker "I like Sonny".....that still sums up my feeling...

Sonny J rulz
Corny Zorny drulz

Posted by: chrislarry | September 21, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I can't stand listening to Sonny call the Redskins games.

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 21, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

BTW, are these post-game interviews available to listen on-line? I'd love to hear Sonny's tone of voice when he was making these comments...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 21, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Just realized something...
The problem with our trick plays too the right, not just one that we always talk about, but WE DONT RUN TO THE RIGHT, we only run our trick plays to that direction because our trick throwers are all right handed, if Zorn wants to run a gimmick he needs a lefty doing the pass or have the ability to run to that side.

Or is my logic too logical

And Great One, that is a great comparison.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 21, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Gotta hand it to Sonny, I think the old man had it absolutely right. I'm not completely soured on Zorn yet (like much of the blog), but I'm headed that way.

Posted by: hobbes9 | September 21, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Easy Zorn. You haven't been around this town long enough to question Sonny's judgement.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 21, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

"No, but I called it to work. All right?" Zorn said. "We called it to work."

Don't all coaches call plays for them to work? What coach calls a play expecting it not to work?

What a dumb quote by a stupid person.

Porn > Zorn

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 21, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

cosmiccatnip1

Well that's the best use of the time-worn and nauseating First comment, I've seen in a long time.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | September 21, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

you all fail to understand! Zorn is the head coach because he is a willing and able puppet for Snyder and Cerrato. I wish i coul have heard the exchange because i wonder was it directed at both Zorn and JC?

i always tell my buddies, we could be GM's watching the games over beers and wings the way these guys operate. A HB option pass on 3rd down and goal when you running game is not a true threat is a stupid call. plain and simple.

Posted by: oknow1 | September 21, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

"if only because he refuses to make the tough decisions like benching Campbell and getting someone -- anyone -- out there who can make some plays and score some points."

And the great delusion continues...

Posted by: psps23 | September 21, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

bleep

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 21, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Clearly Zorn does not have a press agent.

"And I'd take you out of the game. Sorry, Sonny."

Posted by: _Stumped_ | September 21, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

JohnnyRyde
Eventually I think 980 puts up podcasts, but they are not consistent about it. I have a I tunes set up where any interview they do with the skins is eventually put in my itunes. Do a search for it in Itunes and it should show up.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 21, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn does want to be the coach of the Skins

Posted by: donaldtaylor | September 21, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

The writing is on the wall. See ya Jim.

All we need now is the dreaded "Vote of Confidence" from the owner.

Posted by: McMetal | September 21, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Kudos to Sonny for being straight with Zorn. Lots of commentators, who have no relationship with the person of whom they speak, will criticize from the comfort of a TV or radio studio or a Web page. Sonny delivered the goods to Zorn's face in what is a weekly encounter. Sonny has to do that interview 14 more times this year, minimum.

I didn't hear the interview, but just knowing Sonny as a straight shooter, I'm sure it wasn't personal. If Zorn comes back next week and calls a great game, I'm sure Sonny will tell him so.

Posted by: freakzilla | September 21, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Watch your back coach. As Sonny goes, so goes Danny Boy.

Posted by: Zorny

That is so true. This is the second week Sonny called him out and I have a strange feeling he will again this week.

Posted by: jm220 | September 21, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Seems like the fans are the only people ones growing tired of the poor play calling. Sonny, congrats for saying what every media hound was thinking.

Posted by: dcwun | September 21, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

We should remember that this coach was a dismal quarterback in his own right -- and now appears to have an unhealthy tolerance for his quarterback's sustained rotten performance. (Like father, like son?)

It shows once again that while Zorn might have something to offer as a quarterbacks coach, he will never, ever be true head coaching material -- if only because he refuses to make the tough decisions like benching Campbell and getting someone -- anyone -- out there who can make some plays and score some points.


Posted by: Vic1

Dude, what game were you watching?

Posted by: dcwun | September 21, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Do not mess with the SJ9!

Posted by: wescaddle1 | September 21, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

it took Sonny to have the stones to stand up to the Skins coach/FO.. Because at his age and NFL pension..etc....he is in a position to do so. Its called the KMA society... kiss my azz.. Most of the younger local media is boxed in by Snyder's ownership of tv, radio and web properties...they either dont want to be fired or concerned where they would go if they did rock the Snyder boat...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 21, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

"And I'd take you out of the game. Sorry, Sonny."

Billy Kilmer approves!

Posted by: The_Spear | September 21, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is in over his head. It's not his fault, he wasn't qualified when he got the job anyway.

Posted by: coparker5 | September 21, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

The good news - those 3 FGs would've taken the Patriots into OT.

That's it. Playcalling was horrible.

That trick play might've worked had we any run threat down that side (I think dropping Jansen was the correct call, but at least he could run block).

It might've worked if opposing teams didn't see Zorn as lacking ideas and reliant on trick plays.

I was pleased the 'Skins hung in with the Jints and didn't get overly down, even though the Jints are the class of the division. The Rams game was horrendous, against a team that might be the worst in the NFL.

The Lions might be favourites next week, for their first win since Sonny played in the league (at least that's how it feels).

Horrible.

Posted by: stevebeagrie | September 21, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

CAN anyone find video of this interchange? PLEASE?

Posted by: OptimisticSkin | September 21, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

>>"And I'd take you out of the game. Sorry, Sonny."

>>Billy Kilmer approves!

>>Posted by: The_Spear | September 21, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

So does George Allen!

Posted by: kingbonehead | September 21, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Sonny is an idiot. That whole radio team should not be on the air. It's embarrassing.

Posted by: SmallPen15 | September 21, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I watched that interview and Sonny is the one who is outta line. Zorn is right here, he called the play to work. It didn't. Next play. Regardless of the woes in the redzone, he called that play to score a touchdown.

Aside from that, Sonny is reaching senility. Listening to him, Sam, and Larry during the games is almost unbearable. They hardly know the players names anymore.

I miss Frank Herzog.

Posted by: saltine182 | September 21, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

If you grew up watching Sonny as I did, you know he would've audibled out of the play to something else and that something else WOULD HAVE SCORED A TOUCHDOWN!

That's what infuriated George Allen so dang much. Not only did Sonny disagree with George all the time, when he changed the play we scored! George always wanted to run the clock down on offense and kick field goals. Didn't work then and won't work now.

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | September 21, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

"Steamin" Willie Beamen was based off of Sonny Jurgensen.

Posted by: saltine182 | September 21, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Can Sonny Jurgensen play RG?

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 21, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I bet Sonny's big wooden teeth can play RG.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | September 21, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

3rd down on the 5, They think i'm going to pass, so I will fool them with a fake run first.
WTF

Posted by: jmy999 | September 21, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

When the cigar smoking ex-QB that last played QB when the owner was 10 years old has more pull than the head coach, the team is in trouble.

Why would any self-respecting coach come to this trainwreck of a team for nothing other than a paycheck? Joe Gibbs lost his luster by coming back. Steve Spurrier got laughed at. At least Norv and Marty got jobs in S.D. (and took their teams to playoffs) after getting tossed by Snyder.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | September 21, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

No matter what you think of Zorn, you have to admit Sonny is a notorious sticky beak when it comes to game management. He never met a play he didn't think he could have improved on. You'd think there were several NFL championship banners from his years with the Redskins.

Great players do not always great coaches make.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 21, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

"That's what infuriated George Allen so dang much. Not only did Sonny disagree with George all the time, when he changed the play we scored! George always wanted to run the clock down on offense and kick field goals. Didn't work then and won't work now.Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all"

You guys have selective memory when it comes to Sonny's prowess. He was a magnificent passer, not strategist. He could hit passes that other QBs only dreamed of.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 21, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Damn Samson, you make Sonny to be a jeff george type. A million dollar arm with a 10 cent head.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | September 21, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Sonny is the kind of QB I want - one with balls.

Posted by: nixx46 | September 21, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

If you don't trust your quarterback to make a judgment call then either we need a new coach or a new quarterback. From the play calling in Sunday's game I think the axe falls on the coach.

Posted by: mycroft711 | September 21, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

if we lose to Detroit, is zorn fired? i say yes....

the downfall of this once proud franchise continues......

Posted by: capsfansince74 | September 21, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I was listening to the game on radio on a run to get some beers, sonny and sam actually had anargument over whether the skins got to keep an interception after a roughing the passer penalty. Sonny begrudgingly gave in to sam's "logic" that the penalty nullified the pick but they went back and forth for a minute. just saying

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | September 21, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Let me see if I get this straight Zorn is saying he would have benched a hall of fame QB, maybe one of the best passers of all time because he would of changed one of his plays at the line.. yet Zorn doesn't consider benching Campbell for not getting a TD after 4 shots in the red zone??? Zorn seems locked into his ways... it's who he likes at QB as opposed to who would do the best job and what plays he likes instead of what plays work!!!

Posted by: sovine08 | September 21, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I don't think you can lay yesterday's near-defeat (you could hardly call it a victory) solely at the feet of Campbell. He looked good in the no-huddle, and made plays with his feet when he needed to. I think the real problem is that Zorn has no confidence in Campbell, and won't give him the freedom to make changes at the line. The QB is supposed to be the leader of the offense on the field, yes? So let him lead. He's never going to be the on-the-field leader the team needs unless he's given enough room to make some decisions - be they good or bad - on his own. Sheesh, it can't be any worse than Zorn's playcalling, can it?

Posted by: jaradel | September 21, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Let me see if I get this straight Zorn is saying he would have benched a hall of fame QB, maybe one of the best passers of all time because he would of changed one of his plays at the line.. yet Zorn doesn't consider benching Campbell for not getting a TD after 4 shots in the red zone??? Zorn seems locked into his ways... it's who he likes at QB as opposed to who would do the best job and what plays he likes instead of what plays work!!!

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If you run it every time in the end zone, its a little hard to pin it on the qb. Zorn's playcalling inside the red zone is atrocious and predictable. And this dates back to late season. Would love to see someone run an analysis of Zorn's pass to run ration inside the 10 yard line vs the rest of the league.

I don't know if Campbell could produce the touchdown or not, we don't give him the chance. In fact, everyone's criticism of Campbell is slightly veiled, seeing as how Zorn doesn't let the cuffs off. Once those cuffs are off, we'll know whether this kid is a player in this league.

In Zorn's scheme, we're gonna walk out with three points anyways, and since Zorn's red zone attack doesn't produce any touchdowns, might as well give JC 3 shots at the endzone. We'll still end up with 3, at least this way we might walk away with 7 once in a while.

Posted by: kingtutts | September 21, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

don't be disrespectful to Sonny, Zorn...hes done more for this franchise than you could ever dream of, and besides that he is totally right

Posted by: seantay | September 21, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Redskins lesson number 1: If you are a player, don't trash the fans.

Lesson number 2: If you are the coach and former NFL QB with a pea-shooter of an arm, you must be deferential and display reverence in the company of one Mr. Sonny Jurgensen.

Posted by: jahs4fun | September 21, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

This exchange with Sonny highlights how Campbell is hamstrung by the coaches playcalling. QB's must know they have the backing of the coach when he feels the need to change a play.

The rigidity and lack of improvisation from Campbell comes from Zorn. Even when the play breaks down, Zorn wants the QB to respond in certain ways.

Campbell does not have the right to call for certain packages from the sideline. Lets say Campbell sees something on the field as all good QB's do.

Does he have the right to exploit it, or is he just left to running the play Zorn calls?

I guess we know the answer don't we.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 21, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

telling a Hall of Fame quarterback, not to mention arguably the most popular living Redskin, you would have pulled him for audibling out of a play that ended up not working?

Jurgensen is a boring, thoughtless and senile old geezer. I've been watching his 'analysis' since the early 1980s, and he's never had a single genuine lightbulb moment. Huff, either, for that matter.

________________________________________________

Wow!

Okay first the above actually happened to Jurgenson. Jurgenson DID INDEED call every play including audibles! George Allen did not his "play calling" and removed him.

Odd thing is that old George Allen and his defense first, run the ball don't even try anything that could produce a fumble, interception of some other gaffe ... ultra conservative (and they complained about Gibbs???) to often led to the team finding themselves anywhere from 28 to 14 points behind.

Old Ice Cream, stubborn and decrepit as well, would wait ... and finally knowing that the game was a critical one (usually against a division rival) would trot out old #9. One time against Dallas, (in their superbowl every other year incarnation), George rolled old Sonny out. 4th quarter 21 points behind. Reportedly Sonny looked up at the score and said, "21 points? No problem". And proceeded to lead the offense exclusively USING SHORT PASSES like his trademark "look-in" mixing in some intermediate strikes. He was usually pretty effective, defensive coordinators were not happy when he was brought out after 3 quarters of Billy Kilmer.

SammyT1 you have no idea dude. He truly was a very, very tough guy (as was Billy) who never wore a "cage" and only had a single bar on his helmet. Still effective even after suffering a torn achilles. That's why guys like Huff and Petitbone tolerate him ... they knew that about him.

Point here isn't really to defend Jurgenson, but to call a spade a spade. Jurgenson could do the things Zorn wants his offense to do. Making it seem almost effortless. Franchise QB. Might be worth listening to the guy Zorn? Jurgy, suddenly you have opinions? Your offense probably would work today I bet? So, how about solutions instead of just criticisms? We know you are capable, we also know you like to practice "avoidance"?

Posted by: periculum | September 21, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

The problem is Jim Zorn not having the confidence in JC or giving him the reins to make plays in the red zone. JC runs what is given to him using packages that Zorn wants to run. If he has a two TE formation with Seller in to block, that means only one WR in the pattern. My gut tells me that Campbell would like to spread the field especially when the first and goals were from the 8, 8, and 7 yard lines.

Given a chance to have the element of surprise of running out of a passing formation, Portis might actually have some running room. As it currently stands, any team knows the Skins will run left on first down in the red zone. The half back option pass has no chance of working from that close to the goal line, maybe from near the 20. I saw the play developing as soon as it was handed off and knew it was a pass and so did the defense. That's bad play calling, not poor execution for JC.

Unfortunately, Campbell will be thrown under the bus along with Zorn when he's fired after the season and will never had the benefit of working with a coach who coul actually utilized his skills.

Posted by: wizfan89 | September 21, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Only a fool looks at this offense and sees Campbell as the "must-go" guy. Yeah, if only Colt wasnt hurt!!

delusional

Posted by: divi3 | September 21, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Its true that Campbell has some stepping up to do, but his stepping up is limited by Zorn.

Thus, as some of you know, but most of you do not, Campbell will not be let go along with Zorn if either of those things happen.

The exchange between Sony and Zorn, even though Zorn's response shows his stubborness, it just might cause Zorn more inner reflection than he admitted to.

Zorn, though stubborn appears to be a smart man. His light might just turn on from the booing and the lack of offensive success. Lets hope sooner than later.

But one thing for sure, Campbell is a keeper.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 21, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

In my opinion, Campbell is a good QB, good enough to win the superbowl. Before you scoff, remember Dilfer did it with the Ravens, more relavently, Rypien wasn't great, he had a great O-line. Apparently Snider wasn't watching in those days, and has no idea what that means.

Zorn has got to go. I've seen enough, and he is limiting Campbell. After the last game I've come to the conclusion that he isn't the coach to take us to the play-offs. He now has a reputation in my mind of making the worst calls at the worst times.

Can some call Cower please?

Posted by: shift23284 | September 21, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is "protecting" the team, like they're a bunch of high schoolers going against pros.

All this trickery is demoralizing. When it's 3rd and 1, 4th and 2, Run the ball STRAIGHT AHEAD!

When it's a Passing Down, let your O Line do their best to block and let your QB THROW THE BALL, even if it has a chance of getting intercepted or dropped.

YOUR job is to call the right play, Zorn, NOT to reinvent the Game.

Posted by: Thinker_ | September 21, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

At the expense of exposing my age, first saw Sonny play in the early 60's - as an Eagle. Those days you could walk up to the ticket booth on game day and get a 35 yd line seat at RFK. Anyway, Skins drove late in the game to take the lead on the arm of Norm Snead. Snead had been a first round pick from Wake Forest and was still a young guy. Sonny had been around for awhile. Eagles got the kickoff with around 90 seconds remaining and Sonny took then on a drive culminating in something like a 30 yd touchdown pass to Tommy McDonald in the waning seconds. Eagles won. That off season, Skins trade Norm Snead to Eagles for Sonny. Snead wonders off into oblivion while Sonny becomes, well, you know the rest of the story.

Posted by: bones21 | September 21, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Wondering if JC's ankle had anything to do with some of the play calling.

BTW, when I started watching the Skins Norman Snead was QB. I saw Sonny play and I can tell you he was more than a pure passer. One time he drove the team down to a go-ahead TD but left a couple of minutes on the clock. The D couldn't hold the lead. So the next couple of close games, no matter how much time there was the last time he had the ball, the Skins were in the endzone with less than 10 seconds left. I never saw any other QB manage a game like Sonny.

Posted by: skinfanman | September 21, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

skinfanman -

Glad there's more than one old guy on this blog.

Posted by: bones21 | September 21, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

too bad 31 other NFL GMs, who wouldnt trade better than a 3rd round pick for JC, dont agree with you (according to NFL.Com last March).
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The problem is Jim Zorn not having the confidence in JC or giving him the reins to make plays in the red zone. JC runs what is given to him using packages that Zorn wants to run. If he has a two TE formation with Seller in to block, that means only one WR in the pattern. My gut tells me that Campbell would like to spread the field especially when the first and goals were from the 8, 8, and 7 yard lines.

Given a chance to have the element of surprise of running out of a passing formation, Portis might actually have some running room. As it currently stands, any team knows the Skins will run left on first down in the red zone. The half back option pass has no chance of working from that close to the goal line, maybe from near the 20. I saw the play developing as soon as it was handed off and knew it was a pass and so did the defense. That's bad play calling, not poor execution for JC.

Unfortunately, Campbell will be thrown under the bus along with Zorn when he's fired after the season and will never had the benefit of working with a coach who coul actually utilized his skills.

Posted by: wizfan89 | September 21, 2009 5:55 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 21, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Chucky, Chucky, Chucky!!! Jon Gruden, is the best answer at this point of the season to run this lame offense. Should be a rather quick and smooth transition considering he's WCO guy. The man is young and intense, and his clock mgmt won't be an issue like Porn and Gibbs II.

Need to get rid of Porn after Detroit game, there's a reason he's never been a coordinator in the nfl.


Posted by: bhoang888 | September 21, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

If JC decides to run foward, if a play is not there we got a great chance. When he back-peddles or goes lateral we're f_cked!

RUN JC RUN!!! I Love it when he takes off, keeps Defense honest.

Posted by: bhoang888 | September 21, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Bet the house on the Lions. I have not seen the Moneyline, but it has to be +300 or something. Take it! Lions will win this straight up. This is coming from a life-long Redskins fan.

The problem is Campbell and not Zorn unfortuantely. Just like that game at home against Chicago when Campbell got hurt. It was an ugly 3-3 game where Campbell could not buy a first down. Collins came in just before the half and the offense came alive. Put Todd Collins in and the final score of the Rams game is 17-7.

And for those of you with a good memory of last season, that game in Detroit was WAAAY closer than the final score. Dan Orlovsky's attempt at a single statement game of short career (I know he is still around).

The only way the Redskins win is if Campbell is benched or cut. This clown of a QB has set this franchise back a decade. I am sure everyone saw what Sanchez, the rookie playing his second game did yesterday against the hooded one. Any moment I expect Campbell to say "I am a young QB learning and getting better". What a joke!!!

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | September 21, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

I've always been a Sonny fan, from back in the 'Kilmer vs. Sonny" days. I still say they would have been a more potent team in '72-73 with Sonny running the show, and would have had a better shot at beating Miami if George Allen would 'cut him loose.'

People talk about today's great passers, and I haven't seen one who could sling it like Sonny. I have to respect his judgment and opinions in this case; this is the second week we've seen crazy calls by Zorn. When it comes to pure passing skill sets, JC has more natural talent than Zorn did; USE THAT, and let this boy sling it the way Gibbs would let Doug, Shroeder, Rypien, and even Joe sling it.

I'm also starting to think that JC is too much of a gentlemen; he really needs to get in the face of his players more, and maybe even challenge Zorn.

Posted by: pdfordiii | September 21, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Agree and disagree with Political_Stratgst. The only time the Skin's have shown life in the Campbell era was when JC was injured and Collins took over in late 2007. The 6-2 start last year was a combination of anomalies not really of Campbell's doing.

However, I won't let Zorn off the hook either. He'll be shown the door during the bye week after the 10/26 tilt with the Beagles. Hopefully Vinny's not far behind.

Posted by: bones21 | September 21, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

I say lets find the INDIAN medicine man that put a hex on the REDSKINS.... in lol the
RED zone... This is the NFC east regardless of what people say... always a hard fought contest within the conference...Bill Parcells and Joe The Gibbs, created this aura ok ok along with others...but Sonny won respect....and The NFL channel dos'nt give the REDSKINs time on thier channel no RESPECT...well enough said......still a REDSKIN fan but being a ballplayer once and seeing this mess...WOW

Posted by: travmanf | September 21, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Hey, did they really have audibles waaay back when Sonny played. Maybe Campbell should grow a beer belly.. Worked for Sonny.

Posted by: VegasJim | September 21, 2009 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Um,

Not sure WHO you think makes the call to go with J Campbell as his starting QB...

I'd guess Zorn. And to blame Campbell for Zorn's flailing attempts at "Unpredictability" is ridiculous. The QB's job is to complete passes. Campbell did that.

If Campbell had audibled into a Clinton Portis half back Pass on 3rd and 5 (an obvious PASSING down), then, I'd agree with you.

And I seem to remember Collins not looking so hot against the Seahawks, either. Lucky for him, he played under Gibbs, who at least knew enough to call a pass on 3rd and 5.

I guess you blame Campbell for running wide on 4th and 2, as well, huh?

I think CP was onto something last year when he said, "We got a Genius for a Head Coach."

Football, despite what Zorn is selling, is not rocket science. Talk about "Out Coached?!"

Has anybody seen what the Giants' three new receivers have been up to? Are they REALLY that much better than Kelly, Thomas, Mitchell?

Or are they just COACHED better and allowed to PLAY?

Don't answer that. We all already know.

Zorn is nice. Good for him. Don't let the door hit you on your way out.

Hip Hip Bye!

Posted by: Thinker_ | September 22, 2009 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of coaches,

Remember who coached the 'Skins' receivers during Gibbs 1.0? Charley Taylor: tough, clutch, HOF'er. All of those receivers, even the 'Fun Bunch', were tough, gutty, clutch receivers.

Has that been the case the past 2-3 years?

I'm still praying for JC, but I have a bad, bad, feeling about this Lion's game.

Posted by: pdfordiii | September 22, 2009 1:00 AM | Report abuse

DETROIT 28
FINAL
WASHINGTON 13


PLEASE TURN THE LIGHTS OUT!!!GOOD NIGHT GENTS!!

Posted by: joe12341 | September 22, 2009 3:50 AM | Report abuse

The Danny will throw them all under the bus by the end of the year. Look for JC to be gone and to see either Mike Shanahan or Bill Cower on the sidelines next year.

However, unless there are major changes in the front office *nothing* will change. Vinny has got to go. The Danny needs to hire a respected GM and get out of the way. This organization is becoming a laughing stock.

Just listen to any NFL show on ESPN or NFL Network, they don’t even talk about the Redskins, that how inconsequential this once proud franchise has become.

Posted by: jeff48 | September 22, 2009 6:34 AM | Report abuse

Hmm not sure about Shanahan but Campbell strikes me as the type of QB that Cower would like.

Posted by: rjohnson66 | September 22, 2009 7:46 AM | Report abuse

It is obvious that Zorno has no confidence in JC! How many times have they thrown into the endzone? All we heard was "We need a big reciever". They have 3 WR 6'3'' plus and 2 TE's with good hands. Cooley being A PRO BOWLER!! If you have to try to trick the Rams.... He must really have no trust in this team and the players know it!!! It won't be long before he loses the team. JC is not an All Pro... But this team doesn't need him to be. 3 good WR, 2 good TE, 2 good RB's, the line a little shaky.. I remember a team North of here winning with a stellar D and a QB that didn't get in the way.. What recievers did they have?? If Eli can win a Super Bowl.. Who needs an AllPro QB??

Posted by: baggfull | September 22, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

The problem is that it shows that Zorn does not trust his QB's ability to throw. The whole possession is run, run, halfback pass and a run on the 4th down!

It is not a good thing for a QB's confidence. If Jim Zorn does not believe Campbell can do the job, then replace him. Otherwise, let him play, sink or swim with him!

Posted by: sagaliba | September 22, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Man, these fools are trashing Zorn THE PLAYER in order to support their arguments. Listen, Zorn has his #10 retired in Seattle. Obviously they thought well enough of him to do that. Steve Largent liked him.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | September 22, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I think Sonny was a great QB, and still has a great mind for the game. But, remember that Sonny has really high expectations of head coaches -- he only really respected Vince L and Joe Gibbs. George Allen won a championship and sent the Rskins to the playoffs something like 5 times, and that wasn't good enough for Sonny. So, you have to take Sonny's criticism and roll with the punches.

Zorn should have said, maybe you're right Sonny, we'll review it. And, then what would Sonny say? If you are less than great, Sonny is going to have comments, and you know what, he's usually right.

Sonny should also remember that this is Zorn's first head-coaching job -- he has to learn a bit.

Arguing with Sonny is like arguing with a girlfriend... even when you are right, it will cost you. Just roll with it.... and try to learn something.

Posted by: stamatakosnick | September 22, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

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