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More Ouchies - Who's Going To Block?

Stephon Heyer was lumbering around more so than usual out there, and the starting left tackle didn't do a whole lot during team drills. He says his knee is fine - a big problem in college - but his left hamstring is strained and he wants to be careful leading into Saturday's scrimmage.

He's okay to play, but again , this is less than ideal timing. He could end up playing a ton in the game, well after the rest of the first team has departed (although I wouldn't be shocked if the entire first team played the entire first quarter and maybe a little more depending on the way the game goes).

Guard Will Whitticker looks like hw will be out at least several weeks with a high ankle sprain (still awaiting MRI results). Tackle Jason Fabini is back but he missed almost a week with a groin injury so he's working back into shape. And obviously Chris Samuels is out.

The rest of the pass protection could be iffy, too. FB Mike Sellers missed practice with a bone bruise, and for this dude to be off the field you know it's barking. Mike said his knee is really stiff and he's not exactly suire when he will return to practice. It's something he's had to deal with before and he doesn't think it's serious, but it's something he has to be careful with.

Tailback Clinton Portis is still out with knee tendinitis and tailback Ladell Betts did not take part in most of practice, either, after jamming his neck yesterday. Betts said the team is being very cautious with the injury - you don't mess around with a dude's neck - so we'll see how much he does this weekend. The team is very short on fullbacks/tight ends now, too - yeah, another position that is vital to keeping QBs healthy - as fullback Pete Schmitt just returned to practice from a shoulder injury, and is rounding back into shape. And tight end Eric Edwards missed this morning's practice with something - haven't had a chance to find out what the injury is yet. TE Tyler Ecker is still out with a groin problem.

(The wide receiver did not practice with shin splints but tells Dan Steinberg that he's feeling better and is ready to practice this afternoon. I'll take Dan's word for it. I think Steinberg has found his calling - maybe he can be our official Brandon Lloyd correspondent this season? Cindy, whatdya think?)

As for the injuries, we'll see how all of this plays out. There could be some very short numbers on healthy linemen/tight ends/fullbacks come Saturday, so some of these depth guys might end up playing quite a bit after the starters come off.

Also, looks like DE Bryant Shaw may have been released. None of us media schlubs saw him on the practice field. He's another Europa guy, though, so even he was cut it would not open a roster spot.

By Jason La Canfora  |  August 7, 2007; 10:12 AM ET
 
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Posted by: Tony | August 7, 2007 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Man i hope Mike's injury is minor, this guy is a beast.


What's up with The wide receiver thing?

Posted by: Dman | August 7, 2007 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I am sure you all have been over this, and it has nothing to do with Jason's post, but I just need to say it. I felt like vomiting over the weekend when I saw(alleged?) wife beating crackhead Micheal Irwin inducted to the HOF, knowing that Art Monk has been snubbed all these years. Maybe Art should have gotten himself arrested a few times. The one reason to elect him to the hall, that I can agree with, is that he so perfectly represents and symbolises the team he played for.

Posted by: Dusty | August 7, 2007 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Bryant, can you hear me

Posted by: dcsween | August 7, 2007 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Bryant, can you hear me now?

Posted by: dcsween | August 7, 2007 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Can you hear me now?

Posted by: dcsween | August 7, 2007 10:42 AM | Report abuse

dang (SJK) html ...

Posted by: dcsween | August 7, 2007 10:42 AM | Report abuse

At this rate, is there a good chance we will see grandpa Ray Brown suit up and play tackle for the Skins this year?

Posted by: skinsfan24 | August 7, 2007 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Maybe he just didn't hear the coaches call them out to the practice field. With his tiny ears.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 7, 2007 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I don't care WHAT Steinberg says about this only being training camp ... I am PANICKING (unless they just keep Campbell out of the Titans game this weekend). Titans DT Albert "Polka Stomp" Haynesworth is healthy and starting ... we need FIVE healthy guys to stop the rush, not mention blitz. This is not a game where the QB is protected from having to take a hit.

Posted by: dcsween | August 7, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Ray Brown in at tackle would be an indicator of a lost season, skinsfan24. Perish the thought.

Samuels will be back. Soup will stay upright until then. We'll be all right.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 7, 2007 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Is Steinbog going to Nashville for the 'scrimmage' on Satiddy? Who will comprise the WaPo contingent?

Make it six, sween. Keep in a TE or FB.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 7, 2007 10:52 AM | Report abuse

THE Wide receiver = Lloyd

Posted by: Paps in Manila | August 7, 2007 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Jason, any GOOD news??? Please :)

Posted by: Lisa | August 7, 2007 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Dusty, I agree regarding Irvin. People keep talking about what a great speech he made, and how moving it was, but I'm sorry, I'm not buying it. He apologized in the speech to his wife, kids, and his mother for what he had done. Shouldn't he have done this YEARS AGO?? Shoulnd't he have been moved enough by the fact that he was a lousy husband, and a lousy dad, and a lousy son, to apologize, instead of having the HOF thing hanging over his head to move him to apologize? I'm sorry, he only did this to endear himself to the public. Those tears were as pre-meditated as could be.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | August 7, 2007 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Jason,
could you or someone explain to me how the Skins missed the University of Maryland lineman, Gaither, who is getting rave reviews in Baltimore's camp. I know he was picked up in the supplemental draft, but I don't really know the guidelines with that. Did the skins front office totally wiff on this local prospect?

Posted by: skinsfan24 | August 7, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

The good news is, we're still undefeated.

Posted by: Paps in Manila | August 7, 2007 10:59 AM | Report abuse

We're doomed!

Posted by: P Diddy | August 7, 2007 11:04 AM | Report abuse

JLC: Is there any discussion re pete kendall who is not happy with the jets?

Posted by: Mad Dog | August 7, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

skinsfan24, Gibbs made a point of hanging on to as many of next year's picks as they had left. Ravens gave up a fifth round pick for the academically ineligible Mr. Gaither.

Posted by: dcsween | August 7, 2007 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Irvin over Monk is further proof that the Hall of Fame is irrelevant. There's just no good reason for it other than Irvin was a bigger loudmouth and gave reporters more soundbites which made their jobs easier.

Just because Irvin gave a good speech doesn't mean he belongs in the Hall.

I think it's funny that the HOF game is covered by the NFLN -- two entities lack any relevance to me.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | August 7, 2007 11:12 AM | Report abuse

skinsfan24, Gaither was academically ineligible at UMD, so he couldn't enter the normal draft. The Ravens got him off the supplemental - gave up a 5th round draft pick next year for him. For once, we can't blame the FO for missing the steamboat and hopping on the dinghy....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/12/AR2007071202075.html

Posted by: FlimFlam | August 7, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

okay...today is another scorcher with humidity of 85%...

ever heard of global warming? this is not the weather joe was accustomed to when he was coaching the last time around. skins need to get a bubble.

as for the stiff neck...try accupuncture on betts. he'll be ready in couple of hours.

Posted by: littery | August 7, 2007 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Haven't quite figured out why they cut Bramlet and may cut another Europa guy if they don't gain a roster spot. Wouldn't it have made more sense to keep Bramlet on the Roster as long as possible. If Collins or Brunell were to suffer a season ending injury in preseason, wouldn't the skins want Bramlet as the 3rd QB so they could still practice squad Palmer?

Posted by: Paul S. | August 7, 2007 11:20 AM | Report abuse

paul, i haven't quite figured that one out yet either. we must no know football.

Posted by: littery | August 7, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Jason,

Are these just injuries that come from getting in "football" shape and would be played through if it was the regular season? Or do we really have like 15 guys legitimately injured?

Posted by: Jack | August 7, 2007 11:28 AM | Report abuse

jasno, i think the word receiver should be in quotes when refering to The "receiver".

Posted by: lit | August 7, 2007 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Pass from shotgun all pre-season.

Posted by: 35332 | August 7, 2007 11:30 AM | Report abuse

dcsween --

33 days, 1 hour and 26 minutes to kickoff

keep all this in perspective. of course, we'd love to go through training camp with no injuries, but football is a violent sport. every team is going through the nicks and bruises right now and it is WAY to early to panic -- especially because we haven't even lost a starter for the opener yet. but you know what? chances are, we will. there will only be a hand-full of lucky teams that make it the next month without losing a starter for week 1. we just need to hope the next guy steps up when it happens.

Posted by: CMoney | August 7, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I don't think you can argue that irvin doesn't belong ... its just he got in before monk.

Posted by: Old School | August 7, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

re: irvin. it's pretty easy to see the light when your metabolism and other bodily functions have slowed to a crawl and you need the blue pill to get excited.

and then there's monk. who don't need to apologize for anything off the field. and was ArtMonkToTheSticks ON it!!!!

Posted by: lit | August 7, 2007 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Also everyone needs to remember that these vets hate training camp and I would be willing to bet if the skins were playing a regular season game this weekend everyone would be playing and that might even include samuels.

Posted by: Uncle Spence | August 7, 2007 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Art Monk's career statistics:
224 games, 940 receptions, 12,721 yards, 13.5 avg, 68 TD

#6 all time in receptions, #11 in receiving yards, 3 time Pro Bowler, 2 time All Pro, First player to reach 900 receptions, Retired with the single season record for receptions (106), Won three Super Bowl rings, although he didn't play in one of those games due to injury

Michael Irvin's career statistics:
159 games, 750 receptions, 11,904 yards, 15.9 avg, 65 TD

#20 all time in receptions, #14 in receiving yards, 5 time Pro Bowler, 1 time All Pro, Won three Super Bowl rings

Just looking at that, you'd think Monk would have made it before Irvin.

Posted by: R. Bobby Hater | August 7, 2007 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Food for thought:

A friend who is a Bears fan tells me that Archibungas is slated to start at safety for the Bears this year.

Posted by: CMoney | August 7, 2007 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Can we please stop the bashing of Irvin to make Monk look good? Monk's work speaks for itself. There is no need to put somone else down in order to make him look good. Some of you act like you never made a mistake. Get off of your high chair because we all have. I don't care for Irvin and will bash his play on the football field. However, if realize his mistake and humble himself we should all encourage it. He shamed his family in public and it was only right for him to say sorry in public. Last thing is we don't know if he told his family he was sorry before Saturday.

Posted by: jm220 | August 7, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

littery this is the weather the Washington-area has been known for since before L'Enfant was making street plans.

Posted by: LH | August 7, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I think Littery has come up with the refrain for the season - if the 'Skins are no good - Blame it on Global Warming!

If Darrell dosn't make it on the first ballot, it will be proof there is no justice in the world.

Posted by: Dusty | August 7, 2007 11:48 AM | Report abuse

lh, for me to argue with you i'd have to bring the historical charts up here. i been living in this area for 20 years. it's getting warmer and warmer in summer and winter up here.

but then again we're comparing apples to oranges because the skins were in carlisle back then. and it was probly a bit cooler up there than here.

Posted by: lit | August 7, 2007 11:53 AM | Report abuse

jm220, i gotta say that defending "the playmaker" no matter how relevant is immoral.

thats all i have to say about that.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | August 7, 2007 11:55 AM | Report abuse

ha haa! nice one dusty. if the skins don't do well there's only one person to blame. snyder. not even a record 150 degree days this summer can save snyder from getting ALL the blame.

Posted by: lit | August 7, 2007 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Anyone know what happened to my dawg Buck Ortega, the TE with the porn star name?

Posted by: The Governor | August 7, 2007 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Nice speech, fine. Whatever. Abe Lincoln could give a good speech, too, but he shouldn't have a bust in Canton either.

As far as I'm concerned, the Hall of Fame is a joke.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | August 7, 2007 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Irvin -- the master of pushing off just before the ball arrives -- his induction into the hall of fame ahead of Art Monk demonstrates that cheating works and gets rewarded in the NFL (especially if you play for the Cowgirls). When the Eagles laid him out in Philadelphia I thought, "Irvin got what he deserved for a career of cheating."

Posted by: rb | August 7, 2007 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Inigo Montoya I am not defending anyone. It just make Monk look cheap when you guys go on and on about Irvin and his off field problems. Monk's work on the field speak for itself. Inigo I am sure if we look at everything you have done in life their were mistakes. To me it doesn't make you a man to kick somone when they are down. What makes you a man is when that person is down to try and help them get up.

Posted by: jm220 | August 7, 2007 12:07 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

new post

Posted by: Anonymous | August 7, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

"Irvin got what he deserved for a career of cheating."

Posted by: rb | August 7, 2007 12:07 PM

Please tell me you're making a bad joke here. Right? I mean, you're saying a guy deserved to get a BROKEN NECK because he got away with pushing off?

Posted by: 4-12 | August 7, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

jm220, I was joking... well sort of.

I think most people feel like "the playmaker" is just out there for the show, that his speech (which i didnt watch, b/c I refuse to pay the HOF any attention until Monk gets in) was fake.

I dislike Irvin b/c he's a cowboy and a pain in the a$$.

I agree with you that he doesnt need to be brought down in order to validate Monks HOF-ness.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | August 7, 2007 12:13 PM | Report abuse

4-12:

You are right. He didn't deserve it. Let's just say I found it ironic that his career ended in Philadelphia that way.

Posted by: rb | August 7, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

JM, I wasn't trying to validate my manhood by writing that I thought that Irvin was a fraud. I think he's a fraud, plain and simple. The tears and acting remorseful came when the spotlight was on him. Sorry, I'm not buying it.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | August 7, 2007 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Injuries! OOOOooohhh.. injuries!!

ALWAYS LOVE UPDATES ON INJURIES!

AnYbOdY eLsE iNjUrEd OuT tHeRe ToDAy?!?

LOVE it. ABsolutely love injury updates..Can't get enough of it.

This is what sports journalism should be about. Forget about everything else, the only thing that matters is INJURY UPDATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AnY iNgRoWn ToEnAiLs tO rEpOrT oN, JaSoN La???????

Posted by: BARNO | August 7, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Paul, My take on it is that they want a veteran as the #2 qb, and neither Bramlet nor Palmer are veterans. Palmer beat out Bramlet, and they need Palmer to get as many head to head snaps against Collins to see who gets to be #3 this year. If Brunell goes down, Collins goes to #2, or they shop for another veteran. If they both go down, then they definitely go for another veteran. But there's no way that they're going into the season with Palmer at #2, and Bramlet #3.

Posted by: olav | August 7, 2007 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I did watch Irvin's speech and I've seen both he and Deion change since they've been under the tutelage of Bishop TD Jakes. I am not an Irvin fan and have not agreed with everything he's done or said over the years. I can say that he's openly repented for his sins before that speech and is trying to live a better/Christian life. As a man on a similar path, I can respect that. He used his induction conversation (I won't call it a speech because he had no script or notes) as a forum to let the public know that he was sorry and appreciative of his shortcomings and that he intended to take every opportunity during his remaining years to spread his testimony so that others won't follow his path. That being said, he still should not have gone in before Monk (based on their on-field production) and I'm sure Irvin's media notariety and controversy during his stints on ESPN and FOX contributed to his being inducted so quickly. Then again, this society promotes controversy and scandal over the calm working class.

Posted by: Gregskins | August 7, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm still amazed by a few things coming out of trainging camp.

1) Veterans are saying its another soft camp but we keep piling up the injuries. How can we be so thin at TE and WR, seems to me there were an abundance of them signed.

2) Our offensive line is hurting and we haven't even played one game. Its a certain weakness, we can't afford any major injuries during the season. Why didn't we get more during the offseason via free agency or unsigned rookies?

3) Are we grasping this new offense? I have not heard many comments about the 900 page playbook. Will Jason and Mark understand the same amount or will things change when qb's change? Can Mark throw the long ball? Portis gives us pass options in the flat, Ladell not so much. The field must be stretched for the flats to produce yards, imo.

4) I hear talk about turnovers and sacks, but really - have we improved? I'm not sold on this aspect of better coverage leads to more sacks. It seems to me, Gwilliams defense rushes in controlled lanes and their not allowed to improvise any - without power guys, this is no good. I think we have mainly finese pass rushers. Our tackles are power guys but these players are not expected to produce many sacks.

All this said, I'm still a firm believer in our coaches and their approach. The offense should get better with another years experience. When the offense improves the defense can rest more and stay fresh. I think we've improved our defensive backfield both at the corners and in the middle. I worry a bit with SSprings and his health for an entire season. He helps tremendously when playing and it hurts when he's out. I would like to see GWilliams call a better game this year. Last year he was limited with what he could do, this year should be different.

I'm indifferent on the special teams. I feel punt and kickoff coverage is pride, courage, and having a deeply talented team. I'm not sure we're there yet.

If the offense works out and plays well, we'll have a reall good season. (barring key injuries and number of position injuries, of course) In other words, our defense will be much better with a good offense - it has some momemtum issues

Posted by: Hbrg Fan | August 7, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone know what happened to my dawg Buck Ortega, the TE with the porn star name?"

Posted by: The Governor | August 7, 2007 12:00 PM

He's competing for the #3 TE spot on the Browns.

Posted by: dcsween | August 7, 2007 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Ok, so, maybe I took the wrong tack in pointing out Irvin's character flaws, and the poster who put up the comparative statistics made my case much more eloquently than I. But all along, I have heard that one of the reasons Monk isn't in, is that he was too quiet and didn't talk to the press - in other words, because of the way he acted off the field. So we see a good, solid guy being snubbed for showing humility and class, and Micheal Irvin getting in. This seems backwards to me, but again, somehow appropriate in the context of Redskins/Cowboys.

Posted by: Dusty | August 7, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Someone please put Jason Campbell in bubble wrap for preseason.

Posted by: Matt | August 7, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Can we forfeit the preseason?

Posted by: Nate | August 7, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

SORRY GUYS I DON"T BUY INTO ALL THESE INJURIES! Gibbs used this same tactic in the 80s to save players and not risk injury. Usually they wait till the players are at a certain point. I find it odd and a bit funny how every single key player other than cooley is out...I could be wrong but i think there is a bit of fibbing going on here....

Posted by: Leevi | August 7, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I think the injuries are real. Its harder to hide those things as it was in the 80's. Depth is so critical it may be a blessing in disguise.

Those guys on offense have something up their sleeve though. As does Williams. Landry appears to be a starter from game 1. I think we are going to see a lot of alternating safety blitzes.

Posted by: periculum | August 7, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

they cut bramlet because they have 5 qbs, - far too many for them to get any real work - and they drafted a kid who can go on the practice squad, and they like veteran backups .. so casey is the odd man out. he couldnt get any work here and by cutting him early in camp he has some semblance of a shot at catching on somewhere else.

that's all there is to it.

as for gaither, the skisn coulkd have palced a 5th round claim on him and got him, as they had a worse record than the ravens. they thought there were soem character issues there - as did many teams - and attitude issues.
i said at the time i thought he was worth a 5th rounder given his potential, size and the position he plays, but the skins are trying to keep all of their picks for a change and are already without a 4th from the duckett trade, so taking Gaither would have left them without a 4 or 5.

not saying it's good bad or indifferent, but explaining what went down.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | August 7, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

" ... Its harder to hide those things as it was in the 80's. ...."

Posted by: periculum | August 7, 2007 02:45 PM

Based on what? Seems pretty easy to hide a soft tissue injury. See T.O. for a second preseason in a row. Seems even easier if the coaching staff is in on it.

I agree though that the best way to evaluate depth is get them playing time. With a business model that relies on free agency (esp. where you already know who your starters are going to be), faux injuries to the starters seems like a reasonable way to evaluate the depth.

Posted by: dcsween | August 7, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse


With all these boo boo's and another soft camp, sounds like a lot of old players to me. I guess there is no chance of getting a real "GM" and learning how to draft young hungry players that don't get hurt when having practice. Sounds like we're in for another long year.... And another top 10 pick next April! Or did we trade that pick to get TJ back??

Posted by: 229 | August 7, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

This is football people...uh, people do get hurt, but wait till week 1...all of a sudden the neck loosens up, the knee feels great, and the "shin splints" disappear.

Go Skins!!!!

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