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More Special Teams Minutia

The Redskins signed a kicker to a futures contract yesterday, and could be signing a punter to a futures contract soon to provide "competition" to Ryan Plackemeier.

I am hearing the Skins are looking at punter Jay Ottovegio, an undrafted kid out of Stanford who spent some time in Dallas's camp. As with the kicker situation, don't look for there to be any significant money spent to push either Suisham or Plackemeier, despite both placing at the bottom of the league. As I reported weeks ago, not in the plans.

By Jason La Canfora  |  February 5, 2009; 2:48 PM ET
 
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Too bad that we don't know the vital importance of Special Teams play.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 5, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: alex35332 | February 5, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Go to facebook join my RI fanclub.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 5, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Plackenmeier will eat any competition put before him.

Posted by: drewkinnear | February 5, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I thought we drafted a punter...

Oh, wait, my bad...

Posted by: jmicrodoc | February 5, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Vinny did draft a punter, and he fired him, he found out he was a commie, ya thats why.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 5, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

what happened to brooks? is he a FA?

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 5, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

what happened to brooks? is he a FA?
Posted by: zjfr2 | February 5, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

He has been locked up in Gitmo.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 5, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

alex, where is the fan club?

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 5, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

If you are going to spend a draft pick on a punter, you have to give him more than 3 games to get his feet under him. The pros are a different game even for them. Or they could have kept a veteran punter and signed Brooks to the practice squad. He was regarded as the best punter coming out of college. I don't know what it is about the D.C. air that causes kickers and punter to go insane. I think you do anything but draft him, let him play three games, and cut him. All it did was waste a pick on a guy that never had a real chance to get it going and leave a void the Redskins are still trying to replace. Just another knee jerk reaction with no real solution.

Posted by: JohnnyDust | February 5, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

what happened to brooks? is he a FA?

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 5, 2009 3:21 PM

Packers' website says he has only of these "reserve/future" contracts. [I think Frost is UFA though ... Kapinos is their punter.]

http://www.packers.com/team/players/sort_by_position/

Posted by: dcsween | February 5, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Why are we not going to spend money on a kicker and punter? Shane Lechler is a free agent we should do everything we can to sign him. He's the best punter in the league. Whats the most a Punter or Kicker would want 2 mil a year. It would be money well spent, a teams Punter and Kicker can be the difference of whether they win or lose.

Posted by: F0X7 | February 5, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

brooks is signed by green bay.. he will probably be cured of the yips this year and have a probowl seasn...

considering how badly this team struggled to score points, it is the height of folly to make the special teams an afterthought. field position is absolutely crucial to manage.

to that end, they SHOULD strongly look at someone like Sproles to replace Rock, who has ZERO speed.. they SHOULD sign Rob Bironas the day he hits free agency.. They SHOULD sign the best available punter they can find and use Plackenmeier as the extra leg and competition in preseason..

they SHOULD, but they wont do any of those moves, preferring to find cheap disposable replacements for the incumbents.
then those replacements will be cut at the end of preseason as they "arent any better
than what we already have."... well, D-'UH.. that is what you get on the cheap..

meanwhile this coming season is being set up for constant loss of field position
battles with better teams... the more things change....

Posted by: shally | February 5, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: alex35332 | February 5, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

... considering how badly this team struggled to score points, it is the height of folly to make the special teams an afterthought. field position is absolutely crucial to manage. ...

Posted by: shally | February 5, 2009 3:35 PM

Personally, I think it is also the height of folly to make the offensive and defensive linemen an afterthought.

Posted by: dcsween | February 5, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Seriously didn't the Ravens basically win their superbowl with a great kicker, great lines and a handful of talent behind the lines.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 5, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

About the only other thing I can add to everyone's comments is we are actually having a blog about the punter. If there is anymore evidence needed about the Redskins front office this is it. How much confidence are we suppose to have in a front office that can't even get the punter right. And I mean for years! Drafting Brooks was SUPPOSE to be the cure not the ailment for years of mediocrity at that position. If they can't even get the punter right, what confidence does that leave about more important positions. And what could be more important to a team that can't find the endzone than a reliable FG kicker. John Carney was a free agent until Tynes got hurt in NY last year. How did he kick in NY? One of the worst places to kick in the league. He did so well the Giants kept two kickers. I'm tired of this church league BS in DC.

Posted by: JohnnyDust | February 5, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

The Skins signing a running back-kick returner type is a hint that the FO is thinking like Moe: the Skins need a guy who can be a threat to 'flip the field' or make dynamic speed related plays.

I wonder if a low round draft choice wiull go to a guy slotted to do this very thing.

Perhaps if D. Thomas steps up and returns punts and is a capable slot receiver, it means Randle 'Fair Catch' El's days are numbered.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 5, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

It doesnt matter who we sign this offseason. Were not going to be good next year. We have too many holes and not enough spackle to fix everything in one year. With any luck, in 2010 we MIGHT be a playoff team again. Of course, after we miss the playoffs this year, Zorn will probably be canned and it will be another rebuilding year.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 5, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

'...Too bad that we don't know the vital importance of Special Teams play...'

Posted by: alex35332 | February 5, 2009 2:54 PM


Do guys who play on Special Teams arrive to games on the Shortbus?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 5, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Rypien11

I kinda agree with you on this, but in a different way.

If the Skins go 11-5 and make the playoffs, the rats running the FO will stick their chests out and brag.

If the Skins lose 3-13, shed bad contracts, get younger and faster, the team positions itself better for the 2009/2010 seasons.

Moe likes building for the future.

The Skins must undo a lot of nonsense everchanging coaching regimes foisted on the franchise in the name of going back to the good 'ol glory days.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 5, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

+++zj, do some research on Orakpo, he's one of the strongest cats on his team.

Posted by: BeantownGreg+++

Beans, forget Orakpo or Oher or Raji or Peria. This team needs a LOT more than one magic bullet. And while trading down was a disaster last year, as they go into this draft with only FOUR picks, the ‘skins really have no choice but to get more picks this year and try to rebuild at more than one position.

With any luck two things will happen:

1. SOMEONE somebody else wants will be on the board at 13 and they will overpay to get him.

2. With new scouting people, the Redskin picks will be better this year.

Call me a cockeyed optimist.

Posted by: TheCork | February 5, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

+++Cork is JLC's slave who is kept in a cage in the basement like the gimp in pulp fiction

Posted by: drewkinnear+++

Wow a Pulp Fiction reference. Until now I’d always thought of you more as a “Bride Wars” kinda guy.

Posted by: TheCork | February 5, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Shally -- I agree the Skins essentially turned a blind eye to Special Teams last year. The blocking was the worst in the league and that in turn effected the skill positions. Some drop off can be attributed to the injuries. However, that's my biggest criticism (next to holding on to aging/injured players) of Ceratto.

I also have trouble understanding why the Skins have not cut or replaced Danny Smith, Thrash, K. Campbell, Plackemier, and Suisham. I would keep Cartwright, unless a better RB prospect is available...

Posted by: siris | February 5, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

++++Here is a link with Scott Wachenheim's bio-


http://www.libertyflames.com/index.cfm?PID=10867&CoachID=127&TeamID=9

Posted by: hman1217+++

According to his Bio he had a lot of success as OLINE coach—also his duty at LIberty.

Sounds like he may be of help improving the blocking of the TEs, and perhaps be an eventual replacement for Buges…

Posted by: TheCork | February 5, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Call me a cockeyed optimist.

Posted by: TheCork | February 5, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse
Corky, you're a cockeyed optimist.

Having said that, I agree with you for two reasons. #1, our biggest need is OL. If the toop 4 OT's are gone, #13 is too high to pick C/G. Late first round we can still get a stud for middle of line, and #2, it will give us an additional pick. And we do need younger athletes.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 5, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

What I would give for a non evangelical coach.....Zorn is a tool...Liberty???? Ugh.

What is next Dr. Laura as LB coach?

Posted by: chrislarry | February 5, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frediefritz | February 5, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Not too mention right now there is no LG starter on the roster and Thomas needs to be replaced where as we have 3 serviceable tackles on the roster. Them may not be superstars but they were not the major problem, we had no pulling guards or protection up the gut the last 10 games of the season. If you can find a taker, trade back and get Duke Robinson or Mack in round one and another guard too!

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 5, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I hear you CL. Just think all that time they spend praying could be spent planing.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 5, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

wow.......ink hasn't even dried on his contract and already this guy sucks....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 5, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Just heard a rumor that Leigh Bodden is going to be waived by Lions. Local boy, grew up in Hyattsville MD. 27, 6 1, 193#.

What does everyone think? Myself, I would prefer to stay with DHall and CRogers.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 5, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

F Liberty, if Lombardi came from there I wouldn't want him. I hear their is a great QB coach at Oral Roberts U.....

Should have promoted the dude from inside the organization. This smacks of Zorn wanting a like minded buddy....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 5, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

But, if DHall is asking too much, maybe we have to look at Bodden.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 5, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I think we should draft LT D.J. Fluker 6'7 350 pounds.

By contrast, a projected top 5 LT Andre Smith is 6'4 330 pounds.


DJ Fluker is a senior in high-school.


DRAFT HIM TO HELL WITH GOODELL!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 5, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

What is next Dr. Laura as LB coach?

Posted by: chrislarry | February 5, 2009 4:13 PM

Oooooo ... 1970s pre-Brazilian wax Dr. Laura [insert Homer Simpson drooling sound]

Posted by: dcsween | February 5, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | February 5, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Not gonna happen dad. Half the people ripping JLA likely ARE the people making football decisions at Redskin Park. The other half likely would give up their left Log roller to have his gig.

Neithr group is bright enough to realize that it's not what they say that matters to JLA's bosses, but THAT they say it. As long as he gest "volume! volume! volume!" he keeps the gig.

It's the same idea as Talk Radio,. Get the rubes stirred up, you get the ratings.

If it's suckup coverage people want, there's always Redskins,.com and Larry Michaels.

Posted by: TheCork | February 5, 2009 2:52 PM |
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Get your Kleenex out. Corksucker is back to flogging his dog over the wonders of the flabby bag of pus also known as JLC.

What a TOOL.

If JLC's gig was good as Corksucker claims, and if his bosses cared for nothing but volume, then he wouldn't need a sycophant like Corksucker to defend him each and every day.

Ohhh, the media.. The poor, downtrodden, unfairly vilified media.

boo-frickin'-hoo.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 5, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I think we should draft LT D.J. Fluker 6'7 350 pounds.

By contrast, a projected top 5 LT Andre Smith is 6'4 330 pounds.


DJ Fluker is a senior in high-school.


DRAFT HIM TO HELL WITH GOODELL!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 5, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

He's big, TT, but can he block?

Posted by: frediefritz | February 5, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

or it could just smack of Zorn thinking he's got potential as a coach.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 5, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Thats right cork be a good little boy and JLC will refil your water bottle and change your cedar chips

Posted by: drewkinnear | February 5, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

sure Beantown...i think I pretty much established the irrationality of my opinion with the Lombardi line..

BUTT i am a firm believer of promoting from within with cats who have proven record with the team not some fellow "Promise Keeper"

but hey maybe he is the next Mike Tomlin...what do I know...

F lIBERTY

Posted by: chrislarry | February 5, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I think all of this smacking smacks of smacks.

Be right back. Off to get a snack.

Posted by: dcsween | February 5, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

cL, our hopes were dashed today...madoff's local client list was published today but it did not include snyder's name!:(

it's on wapo's front page online...

Posted by: dealer1 | February 5, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

i KNOW dealer...I know...very sad.

I feel bad for Sandy Koufax.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 5, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Oh crap I need to check something real quick... scuze me

Posted by: alex35332 | February 5, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

alex, you're cool. he said "madoff" not "madame"

Posted by: dcsween | February 5, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

oh thank science.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 5, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

From that article:
“And Marty Hurney, a former Times' Redskins beat writer who worked in the team's public relations department in 1989, has been Carolina's GM for seven years.”
A beat reporter turned GM……and you guys all say a beat reporter knows nothing about football. You just wait til JLC is running the Redskins. Then you’ll be sorry, I tell ya!


Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 5, 2009 12:32 PM

If JLC ever ran this team he would spend all day bashing himself in the mirror. Chances are slim, however, of JLC ever surpassing the lowly blog reporter post because fake sources cant be used in actual news reportings

Posted by: DaFunBunch | February 5, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

LEIGH TORRENCE > YOUR SOURCE

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 5, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

sween, you're the mack

btw...i just put in "fugees" in pandora and it played TWO songs back to back of...of...the FUGEES!!! woohoo!!! and lauren hill...

Posted by: dealer1 | February 5, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

You better beleive that JLC would "focus on local talent" because getting players that are in close geographic proximity to you is the key to success, also sign players from the CFL!!

Posted by: drewkinnear | February 5, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

You know, I don't understand ANY of you folks that get so personally offended by what JLC writes, especially here, on a freaking "blog" - (it's not really a blog, but I digress)

To repeat - the "blog" is for random stuff, thoughts on events, and spur of the moment thought bubbles - it's not the place for reasoned reporting, or the whole 5 W's thing.

Don't read it, read it, whatever. He's telling you what he's observed and what he thinks. You want to put out different observations, start your own blog.

I'm not personally impressed or unimpressed by his work - some of you act like all media is supposed to report on events just the way that you would like them to and if they don't, then they are biased hacks with a limited worldview.

Guess what - the world is a pretty darn big place, with lots of different viewpoints - if someone is following the rules of the media (remember - "blog" - not a news article!) then why do you care what he says?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 5, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

+++I think we should draft LT D.J. Fluker 6'7 350 pounds.


Posted by: TheTruth11 +++

Thst id oner bing Mother--Fluker is

Posted by: TheCork | February 5, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

JohnD, think EXTREME SKINS (.com).

Posted by: dcsween | February 5, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

btw...i just put in "fugees" in pandora and it played TWO songs back to back of...of...the FUGEES!!! woohoo!!! and lauren hill...

But they will be followed by two Black-Eyed Peas songs and Fergie.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 5, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Do guys who play on Special Teams arrive to games on the Shortbus?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 5, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

No, but Devin Thomas rides the shortbus to Redskins Park every day.

On a separate note, whoever is out there still talking about Sproles can shut that down. Our new Canadian is obviously going to fill whatever role a Sproles-type guy would - KR, change-of-pace 3rd down guy.

I wonder if this signing absolves the Skins of the sin of passing on that CFL Wake kid in the eyes of JLa...

Posted by: p1funk | February 5, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

We had very short KR before ... and that would have been his only job (too small for anything else) ... but I think that it didn't work out b/c the decision was to stick with Rock. I think the guy's name was Antonio Brown. Also, he fumbled one KO in preseason, so that was that.

Posted by: dcsween | February 5, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

++++ What a TOOL.

If JLC's gig was good as Corksucker claims, and if his bosses cared for nothing but volume....

Posted by: MrRedskin21 ++++

It's not just "Volume," it's the quality of comments by people like you.

Nope, sports blogs couldn't exist without guys like you.

The fact you are very very angry and not funny nor clever nor a good writer makes life that much easier for snarky guys like me. You make us feel like Manny staring at a 80 MPH heater right down the middle of the plate.

You should consider changing your name to "Strawman21"

"Corksucker." Oh, I think my ribs are gonna break.

Posted by: TheCork | February 5, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

+++Thats right cork be a good little boy and JLC will refil your water bottle and change your cedar chips

Posted by: drewkinnear+++

You any relation to Greg Kinnear? I didn't think so.

You think I give a wit about JLC? I don't. Never met him. He's never emailed or called me, nor I him. I just love putting the red azz on pathetic little drones who get off on ripping reporters. The irony is these very same reporters entice them into assuring their longevity.

Plus someone needs to call out the Redskin employees POed at anyone who dares point out the utter incompetence of the owner and FO.

It's working. More and more Redskin fans realize the Redskins problems aren't due to the guy reporting them, but the people running the team they report on.

If the Redskins offense had as much misdirection as the Redskin FO attempts, they'd have made the playoffs this year.


Posted by: TheCork | February 5, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

No more BYOB at Preakness. Another rite of passage extinguished by common sense. Another set of pearly gates slashed by emergency medical science. I'd be furious if I were still a young drunk.

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 5, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

If you are going to spend a draft pick on a punter, you have to give him more than 3 games to get his feet under him. The pros are a different game even for them. Or they could have kept a veteran punter and signed Brooks to the practice squad. He was regarded as the best punter coming out of college. I don't know what it is about the D.C. air that causes kickers and punter to go insane. I think you do anything but draft him, let him play three games, and cut him. All it did was waste a pick on a guy that never had a real chance to get it going and leave a void the Redskins are still trying to replace. Just another knee jerk reaction with no real solution.

Posted by: JohnnyDust

Sounds similar to a guy named David Akers who once wore the burgundy and gold. Only time will tell if Brooks Durant was worth keeping around.


Posted by: BigE44 | February 5, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

The fact you are very very angry and not funny nor clever nor a good writer makes life that much easier for snarky guys like me. You make us feel like Manny staring at a 80 MPH heater right down the middle of the plate.

You should consider changing your name to "Strawman21"

"Corksucker." Oh, I think my ribs are gonna break.

Posted by: TheCork | February 5, 2009 5:50 PM |
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You're not "snarky," Corksucker, you're a hack.

You should also learn when to stay down.

It becomes cringe-worthy, beating up on you on your self-professed place of affirmation, the RI blog. You are a human zero.

PS: You make no mention of your adoration for JLC in any of your replies. That's understandable, given that you are - and should be - embarrassed by the analingus you perform on him day in and day out.

Selah.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 5, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if this signing absolves the Skins of the sin of passing on that CFL Wake kid in the eyes of JLa...

Posted by: p1funk | February 5, 2009 5:37 PM |
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We'll see.

From what I've read/seen of Dominque Dorsey, he's impressive, but whether he can bring his game to the NFL is what matters.

I hope so.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 5, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Cork stares down JLC's balls coming at him at 80mph

Posted by: drewkinnear | February 5, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Well with the word of TJ Houzemenzada possibly heading to philly, we really need to do some work this off season. I dont want to see us last in the division again.

Posted by: erleach | February 5, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Well with the word of TJ Houzemenzada possibly heading to philly, we really need to do some work this off season. I dont want to see us last in the division again.

Posted by: erleach | February 5, 2009 7:01 PM |
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Of course we're going to finish last in the division again.

The FO has it all plotted out; it's a conspiracy of "misdirection" concocted solely to mess with the heads of such luminaries of football knowledge as JLC, Corksucker, etc.

Fortunately, we have a diligent and hard working beat writer who looks out for OUR best interest, and knows all the machinations of the football world (even if he is consistently 8 to 10 hours late with Redskins news that has already been posted on any number of other websites).

So don't waste your time hoping for success, erleach; the whole 'shabingus' is in the toilet, as per The Danny's instructions. This franchise is not going to allow itself to have any success. To do so would mean appeasing the constant carpers and wannabe-writers who embrace their malcontent status the way an alcoholic embraces a bottle of single-malt Scotch.

My advice to you is to become a Ravens fan.

It's your only hope.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 5, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

This franchise is not going to allow itself to have any success.

Jan. 14, 2006 NFC Divisional Seattle 20, Washington 10
Jan. 7, 2006 NFC Wild Card Washington 17, Tampa Bay 10
Jan. 15, 2000 NFC Divisional Tampa Bay 14, Washington 13
Jan. 8, 2000 NFC Wild Card Washington 27, Detroit 13
Jan. 9, 1993 NFC Divisional San Francisco 20, Washington 13

Two wild card wins since 1993. We're on a roll, baybee!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 5, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Two wild card wins since 1993. We're on a roll, baybee!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 5, 2009 7:58 PM |

Those two wins were an aberration. The Danny's single-minded purpose is to lose and make your life miserable (to that end, I'd say he's got you right where he wants you).

Additionally, Jerry Jones is part of the cabal of Winning-By-Losing, as witness his team's inability to win a playoff game since 1996, a longer drought than the Redskins, which makes The Danny jealous of course.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 5, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

"Vinny did draft a punter, and he fired him, he found out he was a commie, ya thats why.' Not a commie, a comic. He just died. There was nothing else to do with him.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | February 5, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

thunder

"...This franchise is not going to allow itself to have any success..."

I'm a loyal fun who is also is as cold-minded as Tony Soprano was when he decided he might have to kill his mom and favorite uncle.

Moe prefers the path of least resistance: I'd take a losing season, 4 drafted interior offensive lineman, a bunch of nameless, faceless undrafted hungry guys, and some cheap free agents over any kind of success on the field this season.

Screw free agency: let guys live out their contracts and kiss them and their jersey sales good bye when they've finished feeding on scraps from the Dan Man's table

The Geico caveman redskins fan will wear their old jerseys as proudly while handing M. Phelps a lighter and fresh bongwater and excuses for dumb behavior.

Any honest observer would look at the mismatched Washington Redskins offensive team as it is presently assembled and say, "Break it up and start all over again."

A scan over the depth chart reveals a lack of youth and speed-- especially the kind that makes up for poor special teams play or reverses short fields with an occasional long punt/kick off return.

Moe says, "Call the Redskins Iraq, and send in the bombers to blow it up."

Just to start re-building all over again.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 5, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

You're preaching to the choir, Moe, but you're doing a helluva job so keep it up.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 5, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Any honest observer would look at the mismatched Washington Redskins offensive team as it is presently assembled and say, "Break it up and start all over again."

A scan over the depth chart reveals a lack of youth and speed-- especially the kind that makes up for poor special teams play or reverses short fields with an occasional long punt/kick off return.

Moe says, "Call the Redskins Iraq, and send in the bombers to blow it up."

Just to start re-building all over again.

Posted by: MistaMoe *****

Perfect post here. Trade the first round pick to acquire more picks later and build for the future. Problem with this is it makes sense. FO won't allow this sort of sacrilege.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | February 5, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

There is one problem with trading out of the first round entirely: usually when we use our first round pick, we get a good player.

Later on, not so surely, Shirley.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 5, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

The Pats have franchise tagged Matt Cassel.

It's just a matter of time before the franchise 'tagged' list grows.

Quick: is there a player on the Skins roster who might get tagged or is eligible for it?

Moe knows some women who definately should be tagged.

Ashley Judd is worthy of tagging.

Moe watched that playboy channel show The Girls Next Door and wondered if there was video of 70 year old Hef tagging some hot body 20 year old.

Bet it's all in slow-motion--Hef's motion that is.

Hef was the king of tagging up until Larry Flint proved you could tag in a wheel chair.

And some of the tagging that's on the web is just plain nasty, but we somehow find time look.

James Harrison would've been supa bowl MVP if he hadn't tagged that nobody cardinal guy.

Maybe the election would've been interesting for John McCain if that Palin lady hadn't been tagged for vice-prez.

I wonder if the Lincoln bedroom has been tagged yet. If not, bet it's on the list.

Mike Tyson's career-end is the result of too much tagging and being tagged.

I bet A-Fraud who like to tag Joe Torre.

But back to the question and the redskins and franchise tagging: Demetric Evans is someone to be tagged if need be.

Moe is sorry this isn't funny. Maybe the REDSKIN Blog owner needs to tag his a$$ for a couple more days.

Otherwise, he'll continue to be the blog's franchise playa.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 5, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

"There is one problem with trading out of the first round entirely: usually when we use our first round pick, we get a good player.

Later on, not so surely, Shirley.

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 5, 2009"

AGREED. I think I showed in an earlier post that the Redskins have been wildly successful in the 1st round during the Joe Gibbs years. Into the second and third they have done fairly well ... as good as most teams.

My take on this is as follows. None of the picks were by Vinnie or Snidely (Dan Snyder). Instead, I believe some very assertive, strong personality coach types were able to connive to get their way. AKA Greg Williams, and to a lesser extent Gibbs himself. Gibbs did get himself a 1st rounder when he selected Campbell after the defense got Carlos.

We look at the dearth of success with draft picks this year and his Vinnie's paw prints all over it. They have to do a lot better in the draft because they have given way too much away draft pick wise, with very little to show for it.

This year? I assume Blache will have more say and he can be assertive. Zorn as well. The problem and question is will Vinnie listen or just draft whatever he wants; ignoring their warnings or excited screaming for a particular player.

That and FA will more than likely encompass the soap opera episodes for our favorite team at the beginning of this year.

Posted by: periculum | February 5, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

"But back to the question and the redskins and franchise tagging: Demetric Evans is someone to be tagged if need be.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 5, 2009"

I forget which tag ... but they only need the one that says they get to match any offer he receives. Which also could chase teams away who know that if they offer him something within reason the Redskins will immediately match.

Posted by: periculum | February 5, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

"But back to the question and the redskins and franchise tagging: Demetric Evans is someone to be tagged if need be.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 5, 2009"

I forget which tag ... but they only need the one that says they get to match any offer he receives. Which also could chase teams away who know that if they offer him something within reason the Redskins will immediately match.


Posted by: periculum | February 5, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Evans was good. But he wasn't that good. By tagging him, you'd end up payiong him $8-9 mill next year. I don't think he's worth that much. DE franchise will cost $9, transition for DE will be $7.5.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 5, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Transition for DE will be $7.8. Sorry.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 5, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Phelps Disciplined Over Marijuana Pipe Incident

The Olympic swimming sensation Michael Phelps began feeling the fallout on Thursday from the photo of him inhaling from a marijuana pipe. It came in two hits.

“Michael’s most recent behavior is not consistent with the image of Kellogg,” Susanne Norwitz, a spokeswoman for the company, said in a statement.

Kellogg believes that Americans should get high on sugar and be fat little sheep, Ms. Nor-wits continued.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 5, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Tony the F--ing Tiger is a nice guy, but you can't trust him for sh^t.
You: "How's the soup?"
Him: "It's Greeeeaaattt!"
You: "Hey, you just stepped in dogsh^t!"
Him: "It's Greeeeaaattt!"

And pretty soon, you have to punch him.

Posted by: daggar | February 5, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

And pretty soon, you have to punch him.

Posted by: daggar | February 5, 2009 10:42 PM |
========================================
That's when you need Captain Crunch™.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 5, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

For the MILLIONTH time, can we please settle this?

You can hate JLC and not be a Snyder-lover.

Both Snyder and JLC are very, very bad at their jobs.

Posted by: SonnyFan | February 5, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Interesting thoughts...supposing the Skins don't have much cap room to work with after re-signing Hall and Evans, we could still bolster the specials (as some have mentioned above) with just the little bit of cap space created by cutting Jason Taylor (who already has several undersized speed-rusher clones on our roster, but with much lower salaries).

With that $8 mil per annum, you could fit league-leading contracts at their positions for Rob Bironas (K) and Shane Lechler (P) - I've always thought we should go after Bironas, but I wasn't really considering Lechler until I thought about it from the following point of view. For a team that throws cap money away like it was nothing (yes, our Redskins), if you can sign two of the best guys in the league at their respective positions for less than the salary of one current player who isn't contributing all that much, why not do it?

And even then, you would still have some change left over to sign some low-cost "depth" guys at other positions, like a possession-type receiver (Michael Clayton or Reggie Williams come to mind). I realize WR isn't a "special teams" position, or even a glaring need, but I do think we would benefit from signing a younger, taller guy to replace Thrash in the roster and possibly put some pressure on last year's rookies, while also contributing on the coverage units.

Then if we would just use our draft picks to bolster the OL/DL (with a trade down, or two, to get more picks), I would call that a successful off-season. We could do worse, right?

Posted by: PDXskin | February 6, 2009 12:47 AM | Report abuse

lh, ummmmmmmmm i like fergie? so wouldn't mind that at all...

gn

Posted by: dealer1 | February 6, 2009 1:14 AM | Report abuse

love the Phelps 'suspension'. USA Swimming suspends him for 3 months ... for meaningless meets that he might not have gone to anyway.

But they want to make sure Phelps is back for the big events, when the lights are bright and the TV cameras are running.

In other words, USA Swimming punished him, but not to the extent it might cost USA Swimming any money.

Hypocrits

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 6, 2009 2:39 AM | Report abuse

deal, went to school with, and am good friends with Wyclefs younger brother Sam. Anyway, thats all I've got. Celts was robbed.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 6, 2009 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Looking back on the season, did the 'Skins EVER shorten the field with a decent ST play? I can't remember.

If one of the top LTs is available @ #13, we have to take him. Samuels can school him and perhaps extend his own career @ RT. Kendall, for all the age issues, played 16 games last year - he'll be back.

Rabach had a below par year, but is a decent C. We need another OL, from the draft or FA.

We really need a stud DT, from anywhere. That'll allow us to muddle through with the DEs we have.

Like it or not, the pass catchers need more time, a mid-priced FA may come in, but Devin Thomas has at least shown athletic ability. If he can learn some plays, he can go as #2 WR. Santana Moss will still be double covered but it may stop the opposition shutting down Chris Cooley (or Fred Davis?) on 3rd down.

I fear it may be Cooley that is sacrificed for picks, due to his value.

Malcolm Kelly emerges in the second half of the season as a red-zone guy.

Result? Wild Card spot; maybe one playoff win, maybe not.

2010 - cause for optimism? Please?

Posted by: stevebeagrie | February 6, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, anyone left on the roster has to bust their tails on Special Teams. Reputations or contracts will be considered irrelevant.

Posted by: stevebeagrie | February 6, 2009 8:34 AM | Report abuse

PDXskin -

I like the thought, only I fear you're falling into the same trap that the Redskins dove into time and again in the last decade.

Your assumption is that Bironas and Lechler will be the same players for us that they were with their former teams. This is the same assumption that led us to believe Jason Taylor would be the missing piece. And we had also tried this once before with a standout special teamer, John Hall.

I guess it all depends on what Lechler and Bironas would cost. My guess is that both would cost at the very least $3 million per season (Chris Kluwe of the Vikings, punter, had a $5 million cap hit last season).

I do like the idea of signing a Reggie Williams or Michael Clayton to reasonable contracts. Despite the youth at the position, WR is an area of need until Thomas and/or Kelly prove themselves. Neither has come close.

Posted by: psps23 | February 6, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse

'...lh, ummmmmmmmm i like fergie? so wouldn't mind that at all..."

Posted by: dealer1 | February 6, 2009 1:14 AM

Tagging fergie would be bootylicious.

She's an 'it' Moe would like to get started.


But I digress.

Tagging D Evans at a high price is another example of the bad situation the skins are in.

The team needs to prove R Clark and A Pierce wrong and spend money on its own guys.

Their complaint was that the FO would waste money on free agent bombs while low round drafted guys who worked their way up into the starting line up would get shafted come pay day.

Think about it: Evans was more valuable this year than J Taylor, but Taylor got paid--and cost needed draft picks--and Evans is too exspensive.

How's that?

Pay the brutha and cut Taylor and move on.

Let's endorse training up our own guys and paying them to hang around so the team gets the reward of its efforts.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 6, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

I saw Ray Lewis refused to give the Ravens a "hometown" discount and wants to talk to the Jets and Cowboys.

Hopefully, he'll go to the Jets!

Posted by: will_ga | February 6, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

ESPN.com news services
Even if Arizona Cardinals quarterback Kurt Warner comes back, it might not be enough for Anquan Boldin.

A key member of the aerial attack that pushed the Cardinals to the Super Bowl, Boldin still has two years left on his contract. But he's been at odds with the team over his deal for quite some time.

Boldin told ESPN's Rachel Nichols on Thursday the chances of him staying with Arizona are "very slim."

Boldin had 89 catches for 1,038 yards and 11 touchdowns last season.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | February 6, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

"But back to the question and the redskins and franchise tagging: Demetric Evans is someone to be tagged if need be.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 5, 2009"

Let's not go crazy here. Evans was good because he exceeded expectations and performed on par with the higher priced "superstars" on our d-line. If you put him on the same pay scale, he's just as mediocre as the rest of them.

Carter - 16 games, 37 tackles, 4 sacks, 3 TFL, 1 pass defensed

Taylor - 13 games, 29 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 1 TFL, 9 passes defensed

Evans - 16 games, 33 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 2 TFL, 2 passes defensed

And I vividly remember both the Cowboys and the Ravens absolutely stuffing the run down our throats to the left side of our defensive line (Evans' side), during their game-icing 4th quarter drives.

Evans is a great value player. He is not a great player in general. If you give him just as much money (which is what franchising would do), people would be complaining just as much about him as they do about Carter and Taylor.

Posted by: psps23 | February 6, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

If blogging was a game, I'd be M-V-P
The most valuable blogger on the M-I-C

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 6, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Ray Lewis leaning towards Jets?
Could it be that one of the baddest linebackers in the NFL could be coming to the Jets as a free agent this offseason? If you listen to Ravens' LB Ray Lewis, known as one of the hardest-hitting, most vociferous defensive players in the land, that possibility is far from a pipe dream. He is, after all, an unrestricted free agent and the signing period begins on Feb. 27. Lewis, 33, speaking yesterday with the NFL Network while in Hawaii for the Pro Bowl, called the Jets an "attractive option" with Rex Ryan, his defensive coordinator in Baltimore, now the Jets head coach. (New York Post)

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | February 6, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

If we can get Jtaylor to come down in his contract, I say we stick with some of the guys we got.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 6, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

jm, if that happens NO WAY Farve comes back. I don't think he will anyway, but if he was thinking about it, Ray-Ray coming there will cause him to rethink that....no way RLew puts up with Farves antics....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 6, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

If we can get Jtaylor to come down in his contract, I say we stick with some of the guys we got.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 6, 2009 9:20 AM

Agreed. Do you think JT really has many options after last years performance? Outside of retirement anyway. What team would be willing to pay a lot for him?

Posted by: will_ga | February 6, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Good morning B. No question Ray Ray would have been all into Farve sht. He just needs to retire and the Jets would be crazy to let him string them along.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | February 6, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

jm, lol, yup. No doubt.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 6, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Favre should retire and the jets should have built their own stadium in NYC rather than letting the NJ mob strong arm them to staying in NJ.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 6, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

"jm, if that happens NO WAY Farve comes back. I don't think he will anyway, but if he was thinking about it, Ray-Ray coming there will cause him to rethink that....no way RLew puts up with Farves antics....

Posted by: BeantownGreg "

Ray Lewis plays defense. Bret Favor is a QB on the offense.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 6, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

"No more BYOB at Preakness. Another rite of passage extinguished by common sense. Another set of pearly gates slashed by emergency medical science. I'd be furious if I were still a young drunk."

It's like being 5 years old and being told Christmas is canceled this year. I've never seen so many drunk people in my life.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | February 6, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Fergie is about as hot as a drag queen....not ugly per se but odd....

Ray Lewis won't be a Jet

Posted by: chrislarry | February 6, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

thanks for clarifying that truth, that was never in question however.

it has been widely reported that brett is a me guy, always late to meetings, doesn't work out with the team, stuff that ray-ray wouldn't put up with.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 6, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Ray Lewis killed two people. I think he'll let Bret slide for being late to meetings.


They both suck!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 6, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Would you guys please stop with the Ryan clark being a Redskins home grown talent,he was drafted by the giants,and only spent 2 seasons here...


and as for Antonio Pierce,he's average at best...he had 1 good,not great,but good season here with 112 tackles,and asked for the farm.he has passed that total once in the four seasons with the giants at 137....mean while our middle linebackers,Fletcher 128,and 133 tackles...and befor him lamar marshall.98 and 104 tackles....

Posted by: jumbo5383 | February 6, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

psps23

The stats notwithstanding, you can't factor in the savings that come with a guy who can drop back into coverage, play dt or d-end, and has been rock solid in every way.

I'm gonna let a snake out the bag: I think the Skins 4th collapses on D were the result of prolonged time on the field and the general issue of "Here we go again, why try harder?" that creeps into defensive players when the offense doesn't score.

When you consider the collapses in the second half of games against the redksins, any coach can rally his offense at half time by saying, "Hey, they ain't got nobody but #47 and #89 and their q-back can't win the game with his legs or his arm. Let's go after them."

The season, the skins offense would be handed short fields on turnovers and it looked like the only play Zorn called was: 'strong right, 3-and-out-and-punt on set'

Once the offensive issues are resolved, the Skins D will play much better, trust me.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 6, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

"No more BYOB at Preakness. Another rite of passage extinguished by common sense. Another set of pearly gates slashed by emergency medical science. I'd be furious if I were still a young drunk."

It's like being 5 years old and being told Christmas is canceled this year. I've never seen so many drunk people in my life.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | February 6, 2009 9:51 AM |

Man that sucks 3 of the best Saturdays of my life were spent at the Preakness. That is so stupid they are going to lose 1000's of dollars, the infield will be bare.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 6, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

“Michael’s most recent behavior is not consistent with the image of Kellogg,” Susanne Norwitz, a spokeswoman for the company, said in a statement.


A spokesperson for Phelps said, "While Michael is disappointed in Kellogg's decision to not renew his contract, he is not sad because this move frees him up to endorse the true breakfast of champions - Weedies."

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 6, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

moe, agreed on the D...too long on the field, once the 4th qtr rolled around, they were gassed...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 6, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Let me make a BOLD PREDICTION


Redskins go undefeated next year behind the incredible special teams play of Dominque "The Dude" Dorsey and "Big Poppa" Dave Rayner.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 6, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

'...Fergie is about as hot as a drag queen....not ugly per se but odd...'

Posted by: chrislarry | February 6, 2009 9:53 AM |


chrislarry

There are some of us who like odd, ugly women with nice frames.

Don't believe me: did you ever sit in a scrip club up until the lights come on so you could really see who you've been giving your money to?

'Scripper pretty' is defined as an odd, ugly woman with a nice body.

Generally, the deeper you get into the six-pack, the prettier the scripper is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 6, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Celts was robbed.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg

Yeah getting the Lakers, who were on the second game of a back to back, at home was just wrong.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 6, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Think about it: Evans was more valuable this year than J Taylor, but Taylor got paid--and cost needed draft picks--and Evans is too exspensive.

How's that?

Pay the brutha and cut Taylor and move on.

Let's endorse training up our own guys and paying them to hang around so the team gets the reward of its efforts.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 6, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

I agree that Evans was more valuable than JT, and I'm all for resigning Evans. But not with a transition tag of $7.8 mill. I'm all for cutting JT unles he negotiates down to $4 mill or so. I don't think he will. And I don't think we need him. Evans we need to resign. Negotiate and get it done.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 6, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Lakers were also on the 5th game of a 6 game road trip.


lol @ Boston fools

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 6, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

"Man that sucks 3 of the best Saturdays of my life were spent at the Preakness. That is so stupid they are going to lose 1000's of dollars, the infield will be bare."

Yea, I think they might re-think this after their ticket sales reach an all-time low. I don't what the big deal is, I only saw one fight and 2 girls carried out on golf carts last year.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | February 6, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

truth, anytime you want to come up to titletown, with the big dogs let me know...

lh, allen got ASSAULTED on that last shot, don't be a hater, just admit he did.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 6, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Moe, Yea I agree, the defense is perfectly fine as it is right now. However, giving Evans the same amount of money we gave to Taylor would be a massive waste (which franchising would do).

In fact, I'll go against the grain on this one and say that Taylor was actually our best defensive lineman last season, despite his disappointing statistics. Taylor was just as versatile as Evans (and was the key to beating Philly the 2nd time with his work on Westbrook), and he was by far the best lineman at doing the one thing our defensive line actually performs well at; getting in passing lanes and knocking down passes. Now, that's not saying that Taylor was worth anywhere near the $9 million he got. He isn't. None of our linemen are. But I think people are bloating Evans' performance to make him out as some star in the making. He's not. He's average, just like Taylor was average last year. The only difference is that Evans' average performance was really good in comparison to what he made, while Taylor's average was really bad in comparison to what he made. We negate that difference by franchising Evans.

I'm all for re-signing Evans. 100%. But only if it's for a reasonable contract.

Posted by: psps23 | February 6, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I'm all for re-signing Evans. 100%. But only if it's for a reasonable contract.

Posted by: psps23 | February 6, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse
Well said, pser.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 6, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

BG, nobody touched Allen. He flopped and tossed the ball up. The refs sort of let them play down the stretch. And the Celts got the benefit of a lot of non-calls in that game.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 6, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Generally, the deeper you get into the six-pack, the prettier the scripper is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 6, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse


Pacman gon git down wit it, make it rain on da scripper and smack dat azz

Posted by: jonthefisherman | February 6, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

lh, agree to disagree on the fouls....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 6, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

WHERE WERE THE CELTICS FANS TWO YEARS AGO!?!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 6, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

psps

'...I'm all for re-signing Evans. 100%. But only if it's for a reasonable contract...'

point-taken

J Taylor is a high character guy. I bet he'll take a cut/re-do deal so the team can take care of Evans.

I'd don't know how contracts work, but can't they have Taylor re-sign for a lower amount, but pay him the remainder as a signing bonus?

Or: re-do the deal so the money is back-ended and guaranteed during the no-cap season, meaning Taylor plays out his contract and the skins get some kind of value out of him.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 6, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Evans is a great value player. He is not a great player in general. If you give him just as much money (which is what franchising would do), people would be complaining just as much about him as they do about Carter and Taylor.

Posted by: psps23 | February 6, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

They may not be franchising him to sign him, they may be hoping someone else really wants him so that they can get picks. Evans is some what of a commodity in this years FA because teams don't want to spend alot. Bottom line though is that if this is the case and I think it is, it will come back to haunt the skins because (to agree with you somewhat) they will be paying him that 7.8 or 9 mil.

Note to all: don't get your emotions to high on our beloved Burgandy and Gold for atleast 2 seasons.

Also, to try and make sense of all of which is going on with this team I would have to say with all of the move from last year to now (not including restructuring of Portis, and Cooley as I think they have chosen to build aroung them) the skins appear to be trying to fix this Salary CAP hell they contiinue to keep themselves in. We will see if this is true if verterans outside of Cooley and Portis start falling of the books. Veterans such as Moss, ARE, O-lineman, JCampbell. And I'm only speaking of the offense. I truly belive that this will happen because Zorn will need his own pieces which is last years recruiting class and whomever gets picked up from this point on. The people who will get let go are from other coaching staffs.

In my opinion Betts (From Spurrier era) should be traded immediatey for some sort of pick we do not need him.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | February 6, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

truth, come on up to boston pal, been a celts fan all my life, red sox and skins too, win or lose, I don't stop rooting for those teams.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 6, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

I'm not too keen on contracts either. I do remember Taylor saying that he wouldn't take a pay cut. And given his situation, mulling retirement and not exactly having a great time here in DC, I don't think he wants to extend his current contract, especially if he's not gaining money in the process.

I almost get the feeling Taylor will be back next season, at his current contract level. I think Vinny wants to get the most out of his trade, and I think he feels that Taylor simply got unlucky with the injury bug. I have no basis for this thought, other than a gut feeling, though.

Posted by: psps23 | February 6, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

"truth, come on up to boston pal, been a celts fan all my life, red sox and skins too, win or lose, I don't stop rooting for those teams.

Posted by: BeantownGreg "

get in line behind RedDMV. He already challenged me to a fight at his local Reb Lobster.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 6, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I there anything sillier than a Charlotte bobcats fan calling out Celtics fans. Charlotte will by the end of the decade have the dubious distinction of losing two NBA franchises.....

I am no boston guy, but if there is one thing you can not call beantown fans is fair weathered.....

Little known fact: The reson beantown is a skins fan, but a boston guy is he is old enough to have rooted for the Boston Redskins! (i kid i kid....)

Posted by: chrislarry | February 6, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

you kids get off my lawn......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 6, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I don't follow the NBA at all thought Charlotte did lose 2 franchises

Posted by: alex35332 | February 6, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

J Taylor is a high character guy. I bet he'll take a cut/re-do deal so the team can take care of Evans.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 6, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Yeah...don't see this happening.

Not sure what you mean by "high character". Maybe he doesn't make it rain at the nightclubs or hotbox the Chevy w/Santonio, but there is a difference between "high character" and "ready to slash my paycheck in half".

If he wasn't willing to make some sacrifices in order to make it work w/Parcells to stay at Miami (the only team he'd played for), I don't see him making sacrifices up here.

Dude is eyeing one last fat paycheck before his TV gig...

Posted by: p1funk | February 6, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I think we should keep Taylor and let him play passing downs as a Rover position. Stand him up like we did at the end of the season and let him go from side to side and pick his blitzing point.

Example: you could have Carter at DE and lined up outside him would be Taylor. that would create a good mismatch for us. or have taylor go to the other side and have Wilson or Jackson at DE. Either way it would be hard to protect against two speed rushers

Posted by: GreatOne1 | February 6, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

surprised nothing has been written about the 4 guys at the pro-bowl this week....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 6, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

HERE IS OUR PUNTER!!!!

How bad is it in Oakland? So bad that Pro Bowl punter Shane Lechler wants out of town.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | February 6, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

B you know JLC is going to write anything positive about CP. I mean he was the 4th leading rushing but let JLC tell it he was the worst in the NFL.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | February 6, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I think we should keep Taylor and let him play passing downs as a Rover position. Stand him up like we did at the end of the season and let him go from side to side and pick his blitzing point.

Example: you could have Carter at DE and lined up outside him would be Taylor. that would create a good mismatch for us. or have taylor go to the other side and have Wilson or Jackson at DE. Either way it would be hard to protect against two speed rushers

Posted by: GreatOne1 | February 6, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I don't disagree with your concept, GO1, just don't think he's worth $8 mill.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 6, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Boston can't be bandwagon. Their ticket sales only increased SIXTY PERCENT when they signed Garnett.


lol

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 6, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

So with the Pats franchising Cassel and Todd Haley being named head coach, do you think Pioli and KC will trade picks for Cassel?

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 6, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

p1funk

'...Dude is eyeing one last fat paycheck before his TV gig...'

Posted by: p1funk | February 6, 2009 11:01 AM

If what you say is true, it only magnifies the decision to bring him here as a complete blunder.

You'd think a guy would say, "Hey, I want to win, and with me staring at a tv career, and a cushy tv job, I'd like to close out my time on a winning note."

But if you say Taylor is only here for the money honey, you gotta hate on the dummy who brought him in the 1st place.

What then was the worst over reaction in redskins' history: TJ Duckett or J Taylor?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 6, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

"Whats the Deal with Boston Celtics fans?
So everyone knows the Boston Celtics won yet another NBA Championship this season and this of course solidified them as one of the most recognizable "famous" sports organizations in the world. However, does anybody realize that this so called "blue collar sports town" doesn't really give a damn about their beloved Boston Celtics? Sure this season they were 12th in the NBA in attendance, but lets take a look back a few years. In 06-07, Boston was ranked 20th in the league behind New Jersey and Orlando and in 05-06, they were 18th in the league. Now tell me how this is a world famous organization that still sells many tickets by riding the coat-tails of the legendary Larry, Robert, and Kevin teams of the 80's and 90's.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 6, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: GreatOne1 | February 6, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I don't disagree with your concept, GO1, just don't think he's worth $8 mill.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 6, 2009 11:20 AM

If they draft that Orapko guy, won't that eliminate the need for Taylor altogether? From what I can tell he is of that mold (3-4 hybrid, or whatever they call it)....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 6, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

My question to everybody is, why doesn't anyone realize how fair weathered these Boston Celtic fans are? They start winning a few games in 07-08 and then all of a sudden, thousands of these "die hard" Celtic fans start coming out of the parquet woodwork, and into the Garden?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 6, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Wait, there's more! In 04-05, they ranked 24th and in 03-04, they were 18th. Of course the old cliche is that if the team starts winning, the people will come. Yet how come the fans of Chicago, Cleveland, and L.A. have been pouring in the last 5 years and show their allegiance to their respected clubs. I am sick of hearing how the Boston Celtics and the L.A. Lakers are the most historic franchises in Basketball. Boston is nowhere near the level of L.A. Sure the Lakers and the Celtics have the most Championships by a long shot, but honestly the Boston Celtics fans don't give a damn about their Boston Celtics so long as the Boston Red Sox are in town (and the Patriots keep on winning). As much as I dislike the Lakers, I have to respect their fan base and the city of Los Angeles for actually showing up to see their team play whether they have a strong season, or it is a rebuilding year. Dedication and persistence people, that's all I ask. "

http://fletchsports.blogspot.com/2008/08/whats-deal-with-boston-celtics-fans.html

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 6, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

matt, I can't see Pioli doing a trade with NE for Cassell. If you think about it, Cassell spend 4 years learning the system, and when it was finally his 'time', he had 2 of the top receivers in the game, along with a great offensive line. It would only be natural for him to fall off a bunch in my opinion going to a new system, with most likely inferior players. I think if he does get traded, he comes back to earth in a huge way.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 6, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

New England gonna get at least a first rounder for Cassell.

That franchise is probably the best run in all of professional sports. Just not fair!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 6, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

i don't know what fergie looks like...only seen the album covers...no paparazi shots. so can't say nothin about that. BUT love her voice.

am i the only one who does NOT like leonna lewis? she sucks!!!

and why do i find myself only listening to women these days...where the men/boys at? don't it feel like no one replaced/took the place of m&m, snoop, LL, tupac, biggie? multiple albums, multiple hits not one hit wonders...kinda frustrated with the lack of music selection these days...and you don't want to be that guy who only listens to the 90's music either...the only guy i would consider listening to is JT...and that just makes you feel kinda gay in a weird sorta way...not that there's anything wrong with that...he's okay...and the best of the bunch...john mayer's good but you gotta be in the mood...

greg, i play ball with eddie royal's brother...;P

Posted by: dealer1 | February 6, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

deal, eddie royal was the big receiver that the team was missing this year..

How tall is his brother, 5'11?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 6, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

greg, his family don't have tall gene looks like...his brother's short too...

Posted by: dealer1 | February 6, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

excuse me dealer but currently in my playlist is BIGGIE, JAY, and some Pac.


and Jay-Z has been holding up hip hop since Biggie's death.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 6, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

also greg, we didn't have a choice growing up but you did...you shoulda been a steelers fan. really envious of steeler fans...only org that hasn't SUCKED sucked for a long period of time...

Posted by: dealer1 | February 6, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Fergie is BEAT. Ive seen this chick in person, and her face is super hagggard. Not a bad body, but even the 10 tons of makeup she wears cant hide her man face.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 6, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

I agree Cassel had a lot of help, but his playing time holds a lot of clout. I could argue one way or the other. Pioli drafted Cassel, who's playing time is far more valuable then a rookies reward factor. But then again, after having tagged Cassel and investing 30mil into your QB position, Pioli might not think Cassel is worth the contract he thinks he is worth?

There is still a question floating out there: Who is KC's QB?

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 6, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

dealer1

'...kinda frustrated with the lack of music selection these days...'

Posted by: dealer1 | February 6, 2009 11:33 AM |

Music sucks now because of all of the burning and free downloading.

Yeah, I got some music I 'procured' from the internet--lots of folks do.

But I've returned to purchasing it over the web because of the lameness and greed of the recording companies that we
all hate.

The labels aren't gonna sign and pay interesting acts to perform good music so folks can just 'procure' it from the internet for free.

Music, like fuddbal, is a business in every way.

I mean, I had to hide some of the music I was listening to from the 90s because, in all honesty, there's nothing that drops like Snoop's 'Doggiestyle' or Biggie's scatological growl when you're out getting your party on with a couple of friends out lookin for scripper pretty chicks.

But I got tired of hearing it, not having anything to replace it with--and I like a wide variety of music, too.

My kids listen to some good rock bands and I searched and found some interesting Brit acts that I like.

Having just seen J Legend in Miami this weekend, I can honesty say there are some talented people who make good r/b music and can play instruments out there.

If you can find them.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 6, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Wyclef Jean is one of the most talented musicians alive. The Carnival is 10/10, and his other stuff is pretty good.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 6, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Fergie's a former meth junkie and she looks it.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 6, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Moe, the music biz sucks because of the product not free downloading. It's all disposable - artists and music.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 6, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Anyone catch SNL with Steve Martin last weekend? Just watched it last night. They did a REALLY funny Sportscentury sketch about an old football player nicknamed “the gun”. I don’t have youtube at work, but if anyone can look it up and post it up here, it is well worth the watch……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 6, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Fergie is BEAT. Ive seen this chick in person, and her face is super hagggard. Not a bad body, but even the 10 tons of makeup she wears cant hide her man face.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 6, 2009 11:42 AM

Gotta agree, Rypien. The British duchess Fergie looks better than that chick. Josh Duhamel is a tool but he could've done better...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 6, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

If they draft that Orapko guy, won't that eliminate the need for Taylor altogether? From what I can tell he is of that mold (3-4 hybrid, or whatever they call it)....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 6, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse
Orakpo is supposed to be a beast, probably similar to Taylor or Carter. Presumably with younger legs, he's a little quicker. But with guys like Jackson, Chris Wilson & Buzbee, how many more do we need right now. We need a long-term solution at RT/LT, and immediate help at LB.

If Taylor will not renegotiate, I think we cut him and use some players we have there, and fill other more pressing needs.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 6, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Beantown - I wouldn't worry too much about the Celtics losing a game in February. They are still way better than the Lakers with or without Bynum. Cleveland will pose a greater challenge since they aren't soft and actually play D.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 6, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

"Presumably with younger legs, he's a little quicker. But with guys like Jackson, Chris Wilson & Buzbee, how many more do we need right now. We need a long-term solution at RT/LT, and immediate help at LB.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 6, 2009

If they draft that Orapko guy, won't that eliminate the need for Taylor "


Taylor stops the run. Wilson, Buzbee and Jackson do not. That is why they don't play. If his name comes up Blache isn't going to be thinking at all about whether the guy rushes the passer. In the 4-3 FIRST YOU STOP THE RUN. The Mike tackle (Griffin) like the nose tackle specializes in that. Pass rushing is secondary and is done from the edges.

Requirement: When drafting these "beasts" they must be relentless in stopping the run.

Posted by: periculum | February 6, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

beantown


The celtic green team will crush, no matter what.

A finals with them v. o-town will be very interesting.

Give up the usual Boston fan whining.

Your teams rock: some of us can't say that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 6, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

jay-z? jay-friggin-z? the only thing he did right was "put a ring on it"...if jay-z then diddy, ti, usher...

yeah, the product absolutely sucks and has nothing to do with "procuring" either. i used make copies of tapes, burn cd's all the time. i do less pirating now that i have itunes than ever before.

don't burn me but i'm just theorizing here, thinking out loud, and just asking you think artists taking over (having ownership of their work) their businesses had something to do with it? they're making more off their one album now than they would've with 3 or 4 albums with old contracts. so they don't work as hard? or was it puffy combs?

i can't stand john legend. i guess i'been on too many jet blue flights. but i like the fact that he can play an instrument and can sing.

Posted by: dealer1 | February 6, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

dlhaze, SNL, on nbc don't do youtube. i'm pretty sure they're available on nbc.com though.

Posted by: dealer1 | February 6, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

deal, whats the lions plan for their 2-first round picks?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 6, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Check this guy out, playing guitar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSnWhsmlGec

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 6, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Thanks dealer.
I couldn't get it to play, cuz I am at work, but here's the link to NBC:
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/nfl-films/981382/

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 6, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

If they draft that Orapko guy, won't that eliminate the need for Taylor altogether? From what I can tell he is of that mold (3-4 hybrid, or whatever they call it)....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 6, 2009 11:25 AM
=============================================
It's Brian Orakpo.

It'd be nice to think we could use our first round pick on him, and fix the O.L. with a third round pick. But there are too many old players on our O.L. for that, and obviously a third round pick is no guarantee of a guy who can play (c.f. Rhino).

I think Orakpo available at 13 would give us our best chance of a decent trade back with a team that really wants him (e.g. Miami).
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 6, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

sorry dealer but if you like Biggie it's almost a given that you'll like Jigga

Jay-Z is top 2 in the rap game all-time period, and to even compare him to Diddy and TI is an insult. Dude has talent.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 6, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Thund, I'm torn on this one. While I acknowledge that the team is not one player away, I really think that Orakpo is gonna be special. That being said, he'd also fetch a pretty penny for the team in the trade market as well.

I think BOrak, could be a DWare/JTuck type of guy....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 6, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Jay-Z is top 2 in the rap game all-time period, and to even compare him to Diddy and TI is an insult. Dude has talent.

Posted by: TheTruth11


Please he isn't even close to top 2 of all time.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | February 6, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Biggie put out one great and one very good album but that doesn't make him GOAT. The Greatest of 96-98 - yes.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 6, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I missed some good jib this morning... b-ball, rappers, the usual squabbling.

Turd11, nice. I seen you were getting in touch with your innner Big L earlier. What you know about Big L, turd? And no, I didn't challenge you to a fight at the Red Lobster - I veni, vidi, vici'd you... ON THIS BLOG EVERYDAY, son.

I own you.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 6, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I'd agree that drafting Orakpo would be better than effing up the pick.

But the real shame is that we're in this situation where we can't really afford to pick him.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 6, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Taylor stops the run. Wilson, Buzbee and Jackson do not. That is why they don't play. If his name comes up Blache isn't going to be thinking at all about whether the guy rushes the passer. In the 4-3 FIRST YOU STOP THE RUN. The Mike tackle (Griffin) like the nose tackle specializes in that. Pass rushing is secondary and is done from the edges.

Requirement: When drafting these "beasts" they must be relentless in stopping the run.

Posted by: periculum | February 6, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I agree with your analysis, but I disagree that Taylor stops the run. We had Evans playing that position most of the time on running downs, and he stopped the run. That's what Daniels was strongest at also. Whether PD can recover from his surgery remains to be seen. And that is why it is so important to either resign Evans or sign Canty.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 6, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Jay-Z is far from Diddy - he actually writes his own rhymes.

"Don't worry if I write rhymes, I write checks" - Diddy

TI is one of those dudes in hip hop though. His latest album to me is one of the better hip hop albums over the last five years. I think 'Paper Trail' is his best effort since 'Trap Muzik', IMO.

N-O-T-O-R-I-O, is the rapper of all time. My generation, your generation, the next generation included. 'Ready To Die'? 'Life After Death'? You know you're good when you can drop only two albums and are considered in many circles the best ever.

lh, BIG's reign was from '94 to early '97. If you ask some people in Brooklyn, they could recall hearing tracks and freestyles from him as early as '89.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 6, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I think Orakpo available at 13 would give us our best chance of a decent trade back with a team that really wants him (e.g. Miami).
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 6, 2009 1:50 PM

No trades with Miami, period. The trader guy down there, Parcells, eats Vinnie`s lunch, and then his lunch box. He`s become the new Denver who made out every time they had a brilliant idea in Ashburn. `Hey, we need TJ Duckett. Let`s give some picks to Denver.`

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 6, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Stock market is exploding today. Even Six Flags is up 3%. Of course, that`s from $.32 to $.33 per share. And I can remember when 4th was recommending it at the super-discount price of $.65 a share. I`m still convinced the stock is going to zero.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 6, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Red, I'm not going to start his reign in '94 because cats like Nas and the Wu were running things in '94-'95. Nas and Raekwon brought "flossing rap" to the fore. Plus, cats in NY were shooting each other over whether Big was better than Craig Mack. You can't say a dude was the king when people are comparing him to Craig Mack. My problem with Big is that his work is not timeless and he's a one trick pony. All he talked about was "money, hos, and clothes - all a brotha knows." No doubt he made some great club bangas and some great songs (with great production) but nothing even remotely thought provoking. Big never did a song on the level of "Meet the Parents."

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 6, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

sorry Learned but check this little song by BIG called EVERYDAY STRUGGLE


and Red I know my Big L my friend

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 6, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

i was "watching" one of those Entertainment/hollywood/gossip channels and they were saying that m&m has the largest entourage (in hundreds) so big that his entourage has entourage. i think second largest was of mariah carrey's.

lh, i think you sorta, kinda proved red's point...he was of 96-98 and not later cuz he died. had he lived he would've been...and we wouldn't have to look at diddy. seriously at least russel simmons has/shows some sort of presence. or if you don't have much to say do what jay-z do...not speak!

Posted by: dealer1 | February 6, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

and then there's that one, maybe you've heard it

JUICY

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 6, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

okay...lh has a great point...but like tupac maybe just maybe we could've seen more...whatever he made was good...

Posted by: dealer1 | February 6, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

lh, Craig Mack was hot at the time though. Like a few years ago, you'd catch mad people rockin out to a Nelly track. Now, you're pretty much laughed at for listening to Nelly.

I hear you about the content of BIG's rhymes. He wasn't a Nas, a Slick Rick, KRS, or who ever was rhyming on a mic when they called it "rap". He had his own style - not everyone is a thinker on the level of Nas. I have a bunch of friends who don't listen to him because he's too philosophical for them.

I believe the correct phrase has, and always will be is: "To each his own."

Posted by: RedDMV | February 6, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: icetotalpackage | February 6, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

pfft don't overrate Nas too much

Illmatic had some really philsophical lines like "The type of brother that be pissing in your elevator."

and with Nas, there is NO rapper who fell off harder and worse, except maybe Eminem.

but with BIG, like 95% of his stuff is at the worse an 8/10, and most is either 9 or 10/10. It takes more than deep lyrics to be a good rapper. And BIG had pretty good lyrics on top of being very good at about every other aspect of rapping.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 6, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Right on Dealer. Pac could rap about the streets or things that made you think. I have respect for BIG but he wasn't on the same level as Pac

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | February 6, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

And Jay Z couldn't has nothing on Rakim. Rakim is straight heat

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | February 6, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Straight up dope-booty!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 6, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

A little hip-hop discussion, I like.

Tupac wrote so much crap though, you really have to weed out a lot of his stuff. When he's good, he's real good (like Brenda's got a baby). But there's also so much junk he put out. It's like those sports enigmas (i.e. Brett Favre), you never know what you're going to get. Could be great, could be crap.

Biggie, while maybe not as well-rounded, had a very high hit rate. Only 2 albums when he was alive, and you could basically throw on any song from either of them without a second thought.

Depends on your preference, I guess.

Posted by: psps23 | February 6, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Please lets not start the great late debate of the late '90s - BIG vs. Pac, LOL...

BIG and Pac were two totally different rappers from two totally different backgrounds. Tupac's mom had some sort of affiliation with the Black Panthers - he was taught at an early age to be almost militant, which is the reason most people loved Pac.

BIG's mother was from Jamaica. If you know anything about Jamaicans, it's a sin to be lazy. You're taught at an early age to survive - at all costs.

Rappers? Yes they were. Black? You bet. Raised in the hood, ghetto, or "inner city"? Double check.

Can you compare these two? Absolutely not!

Posted by: RedDMV | February 6, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

also Pac = fake

while BIG was real

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 6, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: alex35332 | February 6, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

The Blizzard Man is the new eminem for 07-09's yo!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 6, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather eviscerate myself....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 6, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Truth, I'll take "Meet the Parents" over those joints. Plus, the intro to Juicy is pretty ignorant: "To all the people that lived above the buildings that I was hustlin' in front of that called the police on me when I was just tryin' to make some money to feed my daughters." What were those people supposed to do?

Biggie died in '97 but his music was still pumpin' in '98. Remember Mo Money Mo Problems, which the second or third single off of Life After Death which itself was released after Big died. Remember Diddy's No Way Out? That album featured Biggie on All About the Benjamins.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 6, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

JM, do you also have a gold dookie chain with a kango?

You're so '86 homie, lol.

psps, thank you. Not too many people agree with what you just posted about Tupac, but it's true, it's very true. I was listening to some BIG the other day, and I didn't have to change the song not once. With Pac, and sometimes Jay-Z, I find myself skimming through their songs.

Suicidal Thoughts? Whoa!!!

Posted by: RedDMV | February 6, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

And Jay Z couldn't has nothing on Rakim. Rakim is straight heat

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | February 6, 2009 3:16 P

Thank you. Someone who didn't start listening to hip hop in the 90s.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 6, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

pfft don't overrate Nas too much

Illmatic had some really philsophical lines like "The type of brother that be pissing in your elevator."

and with Nas, there is NO rapper who fell off harder and worse, except maybe Eminem.

but with BIG, like 95% of his stuff is at the worse an 8/10, and most is either 9 or 10/10. It takes more than deep lyrics to be a good rapper. And BIG had pretty good lyrics on top of being very good at about every other aspect of rapping.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 6, 2009 3:14 PM

Don't ever get used to this, but I totally agree with this post, 100%.

I'm telling you man, the reason Nas "fell off", but still will hit you with a blazing single every three years is because of his style. He's too deep for most cats. Most dudes, especially now, want to hear a funky beat and some punch lines. Nas isn't that.

But, he's a great story teller: Blaze a 50, I Gave You Power, and Undying Love are the first ones that come to mind.

Illmatic has one two of my favorite all-time tracks: Memory Lane and It Ain't Hard To Tell.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 6, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

the way I look at Nas

if he would've done every album of his as good as Illmatic, or even close to Illmatic, he'd probably be the best ever

but Stillmatic is the only one even comparable, and it's just a good album. The rest are just boring.

Jay-Z destroys Nas, as does BIG. Nas is better than Pac, but I'm not a big Pac fan.


and Rakim is good but outdated

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 6, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

No Rakim isn't making hits today. But, in terms of spitting rhymes, Rakim is one of the best to ever do it. Unfortunately, rap now is all about hot tracks and hooks. The heat from the track for In da Club was such that mumble-moufed 50 Cent became a star who could kill careers. A lot of rappers get put on "Top..." list because of their commercial success rather than their skills.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 6, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I love Nas, b/c I prefer smart people to morons. The comments here pretty much back that up. "To deep" clssic.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 6, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Shouldn't this conversation be the top commercial rappers of all time.

Modern hip hop = 80's hair metal = today's pop country

Posted by: chrislarry | February 6, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

"I love Nas, b/c I prefer smart people to morons. The comments here pretty much back that up. "To deep" clssic.

Posted by: chrislarry"

most Nas fans are elitists like this

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 6, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

oh = 70s arena rock too and = jazz fusion.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 6, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I've always been a big fan of the "conscious" crowd, like Common, Kweli, Mos Def, Dead Prez, etc. I might even put Lupe Fiasco in there as well, big fan of his. The Roots might be my favorite chill music to listen to though.

As far as the commercial stuff goes -- I can't really hate. Whatever makes women move those hips is fine by me. Although none of them would be close to the top of any of my lists.

Posted by: psps23 | February 6, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Truth your are hardly insulting me when you call me an elitist in fact thank you very much....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 6, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

No more BYOB at Preakness. Another rite of passage extinguished by common sense. Another set of pearly gates slashed by emergency medical science. I'd be furious if I were still a young drunk.

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 5, 2009 6:11 PM

From one old drunk to another old drunk, "Yep".

Posted by: dcsween | February 6, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

psp, while your opinion about Jason Campbell sucks but I dig your taste in hip hop. Black Thought is the most underrated dude in the game. Lupe is that dude too.

Have you checked out Q-Tip's Renaissance? And if you can find it on-line, give a listen to his unreleased Kamal the Abtract (circa 02-03).

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 6, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I use q-tips, yup, every morning after getting out of the shower...don't push em in too far though....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 6, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

"Shouldn't this conversation be the top commercial rappers of all time.

Modern hip hop = 80's hair metal = today's pop country

Posted by: chrislarry "


not necessarily because being a top rapper includes having good lyrics, good delivery, good flow, good wordplay, ability to ride the beat, good content, good storytelling ability, good voice, etc.

There's a reason guys like Jay-Z, BIG, Pac, and Nas are seen as 4 of the best, because they are good at most if not all aspects of rapping.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 6, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

CL, keep hittin' these bamas across the head when they get out of line.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 6, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

lh, I've always been a fan of Q-Tip whenever I listen to him, but I've never really got that into it for some reason. Old school Tribe is legit, so I might have to check those out.

Although technically not rap, I highly recommend the DJ AM & Travis Barker "Fix Your Face" mixtape. All songs that you've heard before, but great mixing with Travis Barker playing the drums to each beat. It's tough to find, but you won't be disappointed.

Posted by: psps23 | February 6, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Tupac was a real thug.. HA

At the age of twelve, Shakur enrolled in Harlem's famous "127th Street Ensemble." His first major role with this acting troupe was as Travis in A Raisin in the Sun. In 1984, his family relocated to Baltimore, Maryland,[11] After completing his second year at Paul Laurence Dunbar High School he transferred to the Baltimore School for the Arts, where he studied acting, poetry, jazz, and ballet. He performed in Shakespeare plays, and in the role of the Mouse King in The Nutcracker.

Now this is what I call Thug life. basically the dude got what he deserved. If you want to act hard, you better be real hard, in the end he thought he was alot tougher than he really was.
Dude was a fake, went to an art school and created a persona to sell records, because all hard core gangstas take ballet at an art school when they were younger. If only everyone in the hood could afford ballet and art school.............


Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | February 6, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Give me Big Daddy Kane any day. Long Live the Kane!!!

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | February 6, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Kane was Jay Z's idol.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 6, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I guess choking runs in the family:

Jessica Simpson's Grand Rapids Disaster: Forgotten Lyrics, Crying
February 6, 2009 03:36 PM EST | AP

GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. — A bizarre 38-minute set by opening act Jessica Simpson ... The Grand Rapids Press said Simpson forgot her lyrics, struggled with her ear monitors, mumbled through songs and fought back tears during Thursday night's performance.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 6, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT'S HIP HOP AND SPORTS STUFF

Let me say that I'm a part time DJ and a lifelong hip hop fan....

1) Name two rappers that rhymed on Marley Marl's "The Symphony"

2) Who was the orginal DJ for Boogie Down Productions?

3) Other than Busta Rhymes, name one other member of the "Leaders of the New School"

4) Who rhymed first on A Tribe Called Quests' "We Got the Jazz", Q-Tip of Phife

5) Who was Rakim's DJ?

6) Name the song Tupac rapped on when he was with Digital Underground?

7) Name all three Beastie Boys.

8) Who was the leader of the S1W's (Public Enemy)

If you know these....you know hip-hop

Posted by: rickyroge | February 6, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT'S HIP HOP AND SPORTS STUFF


1) Name two rappers that rhymed on Marley Marl's "The Symphony"

Kool G Rap and Big Daddy Kane

2) Who was the orginal DJ for Boogie Down Productions?

Scott LaRock

3) Other than Busta Rhymes, name one other member of the "Leaders of the New School"

Charlie Brown, Dinco D, Cut Monitor Milo

4) Who rhymed first on A Tribe Called Quests' "We Got the Jazz", Q-Tip of Phife

Q-Tip

5) Who was Rakim's DJ?

Eric B.

6) Name the song Tupac rapped on when he was with Digital Underground?

"Same Song" on This is an EP Release

7) Name all three Beastie Boys.

Michael "Mike D" Diamond, Adam "MCA" Yauch, and Adam "Ad-Rock" Horovitz.

8) Who was the leader of the S1W's (Public Enemy)

Professor Griff.

If you know these....you know hip-hop

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 6, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

nice use of google TE!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 6, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

KFFL says Randy Thomas is a UFA after 2010, but warpath says he is signed thru 2013. Who is right?

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 6, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

nice use of google TE!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 6, 2009 9:58 PM
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No way! T_e knows it because it's his life.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 6, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Sug killed Tupac
or did he metaphorically kill him, faking Pac's death to save him from the imminent disaster from east coast vs west coast.
Go look up interviews by Tupac's Bodyguard, they state that alot of stuff was irregular at the traffic light, almost inviting a "shooter" to attack the rapper. PAcs mom also described the look on his face in a picture taken minute before his supposed death, saying he knew something bad was going to happen, as he sent his daughter home a different route, and that he knew he was saying goodbye to the world. Snoop, who was on Death Row with Tupac and Sug at the time even told a police officer that Sug killed Biggie. While there is certainly no proof that Tupac faked his death, the pieces of the puzzle fit into this theory. Shady artists like makavelli may have been aliases thatPAc used to publish more music after is death. Im not saying, im just saying think about it.

Posted by: DaFunBunch | February 6, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

ON a different note, im so buzzed on ambien and percocet that i can barely see the screen. and party and bullsh1t and party and bulsh1t and party and bullsh1t and party and bullsh1t and party and bulsh1t and party and bullsh1t.

Posted by: DaFunBunch | February 6, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

I have a new draft wishlist:

We trade our 1st and 3rd with Detroit for their second 1st and first 2nd.

Then, we get:

1st- OT Eben Britton
2nd- OG Herman Johnson
5th- best available LB/ DL
7th- best available LB/ DL

Sign some depth FAs!

Posted by: TDawg1 | February 7, 2009 4:36 AM | Report abuse

nice use of google TE!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 6, 2009 9:58 PM

Google, boogle.

I`d hate to see ya butt on the street, CL, but I`m sayin it to you once just the way Big Daddy Kane laid it to Kool G Rap in Symphony:

So just acknowledge how I kick it
Cause if rap was a house you'd be evicted

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 7, 2009 6:42 AM | Report abuse

TE...If you knew the questions to my poll, you know hip-hop but I still smell Google. That lyric from "The Symphony" was impressive though...but here's one last test...

1) Which rap duo had the hit song "Girls I Got 'Em Locked"?

2) Ced Gee and Moe Love were two members of______________

3) The first open air Hip Hop festival (in the tradition of Live Aid, Woodstock) was_________________

4) He was a DJ for Boogie Down Productions also known as "The TR808"

5) He produced most of Salt-n-Pepa's early hits (this is an easy one)

HAVE AT IT....

Now back to fubball...I know ya'll will disagree but I wouldn't mind a reasonable run at Anquon Boldin.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 7, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Now back to fubball...I know ya'll will disagree but I wouldn't mind a reasonable run at Anquon Boldin.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 7, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

NOOOOO! Stick wi' da program, Sicwidit.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 7, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Boldin would use up too much of our limited cap space. We are going to have to hope that the young pups learned something last year, and can produce in 09.

Too many other needs.

He's going to want $8 mill to be happy. We could release JT, but then you've weakened the DL. We will need JT at a reduced contract, or we need his cap salary room for Evans & Hall, and SLB.

But what we don't need is to spend an additional $8 mill on a receiver.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 7, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

1st- OT Eben Britton
2nd- OG Herman Johnson
5th- best available LB/ DL
7th- best available LB/ DL

Sign some depth FAs!

Posted by: TDawg1 | February 7, 2009 4:36 AM ===========================================
Trading our first two picks for two other picks really isn't going to help us much. Especially if the 2nd one is used on Herman Johnson.

Herman Johnson/OL/LSU: Johnson has lined up at both his natural position of guard as well as right tackle. His size (6-feet-7, 382 pounds) has not transitioned into the ability to dominate the opposition. Johnson's immobility is obvious to all and at one point he was knocked to the ground due to his inability to move. Much was expected from Johnson this week but he has not responded and his draft stock is plummeting.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 7, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I don't care who they sign, I think the problem is coaching. Think about it for a minute. We draft a Ray Guy award winner and, despite the fact that this guy was an ace in college, he can barely get the ball down the field for the Skins. Randal El was a spectacular punt returner before he came to Washington and since then his production has declined. I will grant you that the coverage on punts and kicks has been okay, with a few exceptions, but the guys who kick the football have not lived up to expectations. Start with the coaching and then sign the players.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 7, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Start with the coaching and then sign the players.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 7, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Danny Smith has been one of the best special team coaches in the past. I doubt that a coach loses his abilities.

One difference from college to pros is the ball used for kicking is much firmer. This probably had an effect on Durant Brooks, and then we gave up on him too soon. I think he had the talent to be a good punter, but "what have you done for me lately?"

On Suisham, I know his stats were bad. Someone pointed out in the last couple of days that his production fell off in the second half of the season. I have not gone back to see what the circumstances were. I know the coaches have. What they found??? But I'm not ready to give up on Swish.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 7, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

There is good news and bad news about the draft. The bad news is the 'Skins have only 4 picks. The good news is that's only 4 times Vinnie can screw up.

Posted by: pjente | February 7, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Wow.

I would have to say that this collection of comments, spurred by two paragraphs on the signing of a relief punter, is the longest, and the dumbest, I have ever seen.

It's a record, gennamen. And I'm proud to say, we broke it.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 7, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Wow, Michael Mayock of NFL Network, who is quite respected as a writer on the NFL, has reshuffled his top 5 in the upcoming draft.

Of interest to the Skins, his top Centers are 1. Max Unger, 2. Eric Wood from Louisville, and 3. Alex Mack. And at Guard, 1. Andy Levitre from Oregon state, 2. Duke Robinson, and 3. Kraig Urbik from Wisconsin.

He stated that a strong Senior Bowl performance helped Max Unger become the top-rated center.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 7, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

He stated that a strong Senior Bowl performance helped Max Unger become the top-rated center.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 7, 2009 11:31 AM
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Holy Cr@p. I wonder what Mayock is smoking?
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 7, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse


Wow.

I would have to say that this collection of comments, spurred by two paragraphs on the signing of a relief punter, is the longest, and the dumbest, I have ever seen.

It's a record, gennamen. And I'm proud to say, we broke it.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 7, 2009 11:29 AM
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We couldn't have done it without you. Hanx for being a team player!
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 7, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Mayock was real high on Eric Wood as either a C or G. Said he did not have quick feet, but that he was a mauler and a brawler.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 7, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Mayock had Unger rated highest C before the Senior Bowl (and Mack third).

Seems he missed out on this, or just didn't want to change his opinion.

From what I recall of the Senior Bowl week: Day 1 - only Mack could block Raji. Day 2 - Raji reads this in the newspapers, comes back pissed, and from then on no one could block him, except when Mack (at G) and Unger (at C) double teamed him.

Mack vs. Unger? Mack is stronger and plays lower. Unger could play at O.T. though (where he would no doubt be blown away, so I don't see how that versatility is useful in any way).

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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 7, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

The Skins special teams were one of the worst in the league last year. I'm not sure how to rate a special teams coach, but the Skins consistently struggled to block, kick, and punt return under Danny Smith. I've heard coach Zorn say Smith is a good coach too, however the bottom line is his teaching has not positively affected the production and execution of the players.

The Skins should have fired Smith last year and they still should...

Posted by: siris | February 7, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm ready to give up on Suisham. He could not kick the ball with any accuracy from more than 40 yds out...

Posted by: siris | February 7, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm ready to give up on Suisham. He could not kick the ball with any accuracy from more than 40 yds out...

Posted by: siris | February 7, 2009 1:02 PM |
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He had inconsistent holding. I'm not sure Swiss Ham was the problem.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 7, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

RE: Grammies

I'm enough of an old fogey that I'm taping the show to skip through 90% of it, but not miss the tribute to Bo Diddley.

Most of you shouldlob a cal to Granpa to learn about him. He helped invent rock and roll, and no he wasn't in the same backfield as Bo Jackson.

I dunno about today, but last night Letterman had a new "rock" band that features two Flugelhorns, Pizzicato strings and an accordion player. They were called Beruit and I'd rather visit the city than catch their concert--based on last night, anyway.

I guess one of my biggest old fogie gripes about most bands today is there appears to be few if any lead guitars.

Everyone is playing rhythm. But then, it appears it's more important to look cool than play well, and that bad-azz strum technique is oh-so impressive. Unles you weer brought up on guys who could actually play.

Posted by: TheCork | February 7, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Celts was robbed.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg

NO WAY Celts repeat unless they do something about that bench. They need a force coming into the game, not guys whose goal is not lose too much of he lead while the old guys recoop.

And I HATE the Lakers.

Posted by: TheCork | February 7, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

+++Taylor stops the run. --Periculum+++


The thing I like best about the offseason is the solid Satire that appears on the board.

Posted by: TheCork | February 7, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

They need first and foremost a 1st round tackle, then a center/guard, then a guard. All preferably in the 1st two rounds (if a second rounder or two can be purloined somehow).

NO MORE WR in the 1st 2 rounds. They are almost always wasted picks. They just don't pan out in most cases.

Posted by: periculum | February 7, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

1) Which rap duo had the hit song "Girls I Got 'Em Locked"? Super Lover Cee and Casanova Rud

2) Ced Gee and Moe Love were two members of Ultramag MCs

3) The first open air Hip Hop festival (in the tradition of Live Aid, Woodstock) was Fresh Fest

4) He was a DJ for Boogie Down Productions also known as "The TR808" D Nice takin' out you suckas and you don't know how I did it

5) He produced most of Salt-n-Pepa's early hits (this is an easy one) Herbie "Luv Bug" Azor

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 7, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Now back to fubball...I know ya'll will disagree but I wouldn't mind a reasonable run at Anquon Boldin.

Posted by: rickyroge

Now I was SCREAMIMG on this blog about 10 months ago -- saying the Skins should get Boldin. Give up picks, solve the WR problem.

Problem is Boldin's price tag has gone up dramatically. Getting to the Pro Bowl, Super Bowl and proving to be the toughest WR out there (if you saw the hit against the Jets ... and out just 2 weeks).

First you have to trade value to AZ, then you gotta pay the man.

Wish we could afford Boldin, but I don't think so. Not anymore.

Different argument with TJ Houshmandzadeh. Too old to sign, by the time the Skins might be good again, Housh will be about 34.

Last year was our chance to make a playoff run. But we got Jason Taylor instead of Anquan Boldin or TJ. Ooops

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Pick the best available LB or (preferably) OL in round 1. Pick 2 OL, 1 LB and DL.

Sign 1 OL and 1 LB free agent. Both starters in 2009.

Try to keep the secondary together, but don't overpay D. Hall.

Let go of Taylor, Washington and Jansen. And probably at least 2 others (not sure who at this moment) to clear cap space.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

z,Boldin was never going to be cheap. He's been a pro-bowl-type, 80+ cathes per season receiver since his rookie year. Michael Smith said on ESPN that the Cardinals being the Cardinals would probably let Boldin sit out before paying him or trading him.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 7, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Let go of Taylor, Washington and Jansen. And probably at least 2 others (not sure who at this moment) to clear cap space.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Jansen costs us $3.4 mill, but hits the cap for $6.2 mill if released. I think we are better off keeping him as a backup OT for another year.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 7, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

There was a time, when the Redskins set the benchmark for special teams in the NFL.

George Allen, change the entire NFL'S thinking, when I came too special teams play.

Redskins:
Once the benchmark.
Now a skid-mark, in the big underpants of the NFL.

Posted by: dashriprock | February 7, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

dash, the NFL doesn't wear underpants. It's all-thong, all-the-time, baby!

Seems to me you can make the following observations:
1. Teams were down a bit this year. They weren't quite bad enough to be "a problem", but we have had a lot more success the past few seasons, both in improving field position and scoring points.
2. I believe that punter was an appropriate position for a late-round draft pick, that Brooks was the best player available in the draft, and that he won the job straight up by kicking better than Frost in the preseason -- particularly in practice. [I'd be willing to concede that he didn't blow Frost away, but tie goes to the draft pick rather than the "proven marginal justaguy".]
3. Suisham is, like every other kicker, a bit of a head case. He got a bad case of the "wide rights" there right at the worst time. On the bad side, I don't think he ever gained his confidence back, and it's a quick trip to the AFL/XFL (or GEICO) if he can't shake bad kicks. On the good side, he generally seemed to kickoff where the team wanted him to -- inside the 10, correct side of the hashmarks -- although even there, he had a couple of OB kicks that are unacceptable. He's still a work in progress, and they may need a plan B in place, but if you look at his work in the first half of the year, he was pretty solid.

Posted by: daggar | February 7, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

4. I like Randle El, he's fun to watch and should play a significant role next year in Wildcat-style formations. But if Zorn puts Moss back there whenever he wants real returns on punts, then it's time to move on. Put Rock back there, please.
5. Speaking of Rock, I want a little more speed at KR. Devin Thomas was the KR in college... I want to see him back there breaking one. His one TD run was a decent example of the potential.
6. It was my guess at the time that they waived Brooks rather than put him on IR so that they could bring him back if he got healthier and Plackemeier didn't work out. I wonder if we won't see him back at some point (yes, he's on GB's practice squad, but that probably won't last too long).
7. I wonder if the impact of the 10 draft picks wasn't the primary reason for the dip in Teams performance. The guys that didn't come back -- Pearson Prioleau, Vernon Fox, Macklin/Eubanks/etc. -- not to mention Leigh T. -- represented a ton of Teams experience. That the fiesta trio had only 1/2 to 3/4 of an impact player on teams (D. Thomas got on the field eventually and performed pretty well, Davis (apparently) not so much) was a bit of a problem. Moore looks like a keeper, but was a liability in September. Tryon... I grew tired of seeing him get blocked on the edge and losing contain, but I'm sure he'll work out in the end (ha!). The big worry for me is how thin we are at LB -- they generally fit the profile of real good Teams players, and we end up having to put our starters out there. If the core of the problem was integrating a bunch of rookies into a solid Team, then perhaps we've got a young, pretty fast nucleus that now has some experience.

Posted by: daggar | February 7, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why so many on here are so focused on wanting Bolden...

first and foremost....He comes with a very huge price tag...more than any team would really want or need to pay....


We know this because of what has gone down with the Cards...

He is also a huge headcase...I mean COME ON! Your team wins the NFC Championship and you yell at your cord becuase your not getting the ball to your liking and then after your team wins you run straight to the locker room and try and cause a stir and get into it again while your team is trying to celebrate a NFC championship and superbowl bid ...

I do not want this type of guy on our team....

He is a Selfish "me"player with an attitude....Yes is is very good but really...There are so many Wrs on the market that would come cheaper and make an impact...like T.J. Houshmandzadeh for example.

Just saying...

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Leevi, here's the scout.com "5 star" FA class. Not that we should restrict ourselves only to the cream of the crop, but it does give some context to the discussion. That ESPN list -- 5,000 guys listed alphabetically -- all I can say is "wow, that's a lotta guys"...

Rank	Name	             Position	Status	Exp	Team
1	Albert Haynesworth	DT	UFA	7	Tennessee
2	Nnamdi Asomugha		CB	UFA	6	Oakland
3	Terrell Suggs		DE	UFA	6	Baltimore
4	Kurt Warner		QB	UFA	11	Arizona
5	Matt Cassel		QB	UFA	4	New England
6	T.J. Houshmandzadeh	WR	UFA	8	Cincinnati
7	Ray Lewis		MLB	UFA	13	Baltimore
8	Brandon Jacobs		RB	UFA	4	NY Giants
9	Karlos Dansby		OLB	UFA	5	Arizona
10	Bart Scott		OLB	UFA	7	Baltimore
11	Owen Daniels		TE	RFA	3	Houston
12	Jordan Gross		OT	UFA	6	Carolina
13	Jason Brown		C	UFA	4	Baltimore
14	Matt Birk		C	UFA	11	Minnesota
15	Jermaine Phillips	S	UFA	7	Tampa Bay
16	Oshiomogho Atogwe	S	UFA	4	St. Louis
17	Rob Bironas		K	UFA	5	Tennessee
18	Shane Lechler		P	UFA	9	Oakland

Posted by: daggar | February 7, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

re: Boldin -- the ship has already sailed at WR for us... we're in bed with Moss + ARE + the fiesta trio for next year, at least.

In between the justaguys like Thrash, Mix, McMullen, Mann, and the other 'dirty dozen' that have worn #11-19,80-89 the last few years, they'll find someone that they're happy with (and a bunch of "core Insiders" Up Here will argue about incessantly).

Just repeat Iverson's chant (c'mon, we're talkin' about the #5 wide receiver, I mean, it's just the #5 WR! Practice! Maps, such as...).

Posted by: daggar | February 7, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

"dash, the NFL doesn't wear underpants. It's all-thong, all-the-time, baby!" Not so. The NFL doesn't wear underware. They go commando, especially in places like GB and Minnesota where it's always too hot.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | February 7, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

I am really curious to see what the Ravens do with Lewis. Suggs has to be the priority. But do you let the face of your franchise go or do you throw a ton of cash at a 34 y-o linebacker who cannot possibly play at the level everyone's come to expect?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 7, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Stock market is exploding today. Even Six Flags is up 3%. Of course, that`s from $.32 to $.33 per share. And I can remember when 4th was recommending it at the super-discount price of $.65 a share. I`m still convinced the stock is going to zero.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 6, 2009 2:41 PM

I also said don't buy this for quick money. And that you should see it's value increase over atleast a year......

Dang! I missesd the Rap Attack talk.

Biggie only had 2 albums.

Pac had atleast 20 legit joints.

Any questions?

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 7, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

"I would have to say that this collection of comments, spurred by two paragraphs on the signing of a relief punter, is the longest, and the dumbest, I have ever seen.
It's a record, gennamen. And I'm proud to say, we broke it.Posted by: Samson151 | February 7, 2009 11:29 AM

And it's still going on! Mein Gott!! Will no one slay the beast?

How bad would it have been if they'd actually signed a free agent QB?

Posted by: Samson151 | February 7, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Any questions?

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 7, 2009 9:27 PM

Are you still recommending Six Flags? I think the common stock will be wiped out and the company will be owned by the debt holders. As I recall, Snyder has trimmed his stock position and has bought some of the debt so he will still be in the game.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 7, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Is it ironic that the only quality-caliber QB to come out of USC in the last 20 years never actually played for USC?
Or is that not ironic because there is no dissonance between "USC QB" and "fail"?

Posted by: daggar | February 7, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

daggar

The 1-18 listing from Scouts.com is impressive.

Bart Scott or K Dansby replacing soon to be axed M Washington would be nice.

A Haynesworth would be worth it.

J. Gross, sure, why not?

But you know what: Moe prefers the path of least resistance to the clover-leaf highway of big money signings of guys whose best years were with another team.

It's a road we've all been down before and I 'm sick of the drive.

It would be better for the Skins to avoid FA and make the best of what they got.

Yeah, I know: the roster sucks. But I don't see how adding a guy here or there diminishes the suckiness.

Let the roster turnover, shed the bad contracts, get well under the sal cap,draft 4 young flexible o-lineman.

The FO should get real good at finding value in unsigned and undrafted guys and work to fix it's depth issues before buring money on a guy who, if he gets hurt, can not be replacement in mid season.

The cards got in to the supa bowl by drafting well in 2004 and brought in players who fit whatever scheme Pendergast and Whisenhunt put together.

That's the road the Skins need to take.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse


4thfloor

'...I missesd the Rap Attack talk. Biggie only had 2 albums.Pac had atleast 20 legit joints. Any questions?'

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 7, 2009 9:27 PM

Biggie v. Pac is a quality over quantity argument.

About that, there are no questions.

How many of Pac albums were re-dubs of studio tracks but for his he'd never release?

And try this out for size: make a mixtape compilation of Biggie's hits v. Pac hits back to back and see if you don't find yourself speeding through the tired and preachy "Dear Momma" to get to "The Crack Commandments" or "Who Shot ya'?"

Biggie v. Pac is a settled issue, bro'.

Fact is, anything by Jay-Z in the late 90s is better than everything by Pac in his alleged prime.

"...I don't care 'bout you and yo weak a$$ed crew, whatcha gone do when big poppa come fo' you?"

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Bart Scott or K Dansby replacing soon to be axed M Washington would be nice.
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Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2009 9:00 AM
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Agreed, this would let us focus on the lines in the draft.

Walter Football posted Washington Redskins 2009 offseason needs (and such as).

Mostly it's what we already know...too many holes, not enough picks.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 8, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Is it ironic that the only quality-caliber QB to come out of USC in the last 20 years never actually played for USC?
Or is that not ironic because there is no dissonance between "USC QB" and "fail"?

Posted by: daggar | February 7, 2009 11:15 PM

Carson Palmer?

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 8, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Carson Palmer has one playoff game in six seasons. With Ocho Cinco and TJ to throw to, I can think of about 64 other QBs who could compile that sort of record.
Look at it this way -- they subbed in Ryan Fitzpatrick this year and weren't much worse off -- and the team avg. IQ doubled, which will work well in off-season Jeopardy tournaments!

Posted by: daggar | February 8, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Why aren't we signing Rob Bironas and forgetting about our kicking problems forever?

Posted by: TDawg1 | February 8, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: fanzak1231 | February 8, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

HOW ABOUT THESE FREE AGENTS?

DEs - CHRIS CANTY (DALLAS)
ANTONIO SMITH (CARDS)
DT JOVAN HAYE (BUCS)
OT STACY ANDREWS (CINCI)

ALL YOUNG GUYS WHO WOULDNT BREAK THE BANK.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 8, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

RYPIEN11

DEs - CHRIS CANTY (DALLAS)
ANTONIO SMITH (CARDS)
DT JOVAN HAYE (BUCS)
OT STACY ANDREWS (CINCI)

Question:

How do these guys fit into what the team does on both sides of the ball?

If you bring in Canty, what becomes of A. Carter, J Taylor, R Jackson, Buzbee, P Daniels, et al?

Is Andrews a lt or rt? Can he pass block better than anybody presently on the roster or anybody we might draft?

Does adding Haye mean you're releasing Griff? Or does he join a rotation of Griff, Golston, Montegomery--that's five tackles too many, especially when you remember that Evans can also play dt.

Otherwise, these guys seem like good fits. It's the questions that come up as a result of adding them that makes the Madden GM think deeply.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Andrews is a RT. He is better than Heyer or Jansen, and gives us the ability to look elsewhere with the #13 if we want.

Haye is better than Griff. I have no problem getting rid of Griff to save space. The team wants a better pash rush. Haye is a good addition.

J Taylor is gone - and Canty is better than Carter or Daniels. Buzbee and Jackson probably wont make team again.

These are all good possibilities in FA which are young guys who wont be too pricey, and gives us a little flexibility come draft time.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 8, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Carson Palmer has one playoff game in six seasons. With Ocho Cinco and TJ to throw to, I can think of about 64 other QBs who could compile that sort of record.
Look at it this way -- they subbed in Ryan Fitzpatrick this year and weren't much worse off -- and the team avg. IQ doubled, which will work well in off-season Jeopardy tournaments!


Posted by: daggar | February 8, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Seriously. Palmer sat out his rookie year and this past season he was injured the whole time; so we are really talking about 4 seasons and not 6.

So in 4 healthy playing seasons, he has made the Pro Bowl twice, led the league inTD passes and completion percentage once, holds 10 Bengals franchise records, and led them to a division title. In those seasons he was 32-29 as a starter (with the BENGALS!! THE BENGALS!!!!!). Also forgot to mention that in those years he came back from ACL/MCL surgery. Anyone following football knows that the problem with the Bengals was always their defense.

Fitzpatrick was 4-7-1 as a starter this year.

Sorry friend. It would seem that every point you've tried to make on this issue is ignorant nonsense.

Posted by: p1funk | February 8, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

...funny how many of the music posters are the same people that call others out for off topic discussions, like politics etc.....

Football wise, the Skins are goong to continue to stink as long as VC and DS run the show.
Most players take two years to fully recover from knee surgery, and I'm wondering if Jansen will be that much better next year? I know, ankle, not knee, still curious. I think/thought he was done.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | February 8, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Fellas forget Stacy Andrews. He is likely out all of 2009 with a torn ACL.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3788010

There are only about 5 QB's I'd take over Carson Palmer when healthy. He threw for over 3800 yards and 26 TD's 3 times each. Maybe there is some confusion of him with Jordan Palmer.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 8, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

2008 Bengals with Fitzpatrick - 4-7-1.
2008 Bengals with Palmer 0-4-0.

[which only proves that stats are meaningless]. With the talent around him, he's going to get stats. Show me some wins. Show me the playoffs. Show me top-five QB talent (that gets the Bengals into the playoffs consistently).
But he does get to the pro bowl... I'll give him that. And watching today's game, you can truly see the honor.

[subtle jab-sarcasm alert... I am not watching the pro bowl.]

Posted by: daggar | February 8, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

FO rants get old in this blog....

How many times have we heard, "As long as Vinny are running the show...."

C'mon let's get some imagination. No one knows who the Skins are gonna draft, no one knows what their record will be...

Posted by: rickyroge | February 8, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Isskinsfan

'...funny how many of the music posters are the same people that call others out for off topic discussions, like politics etc.'

Posted by: lsskinsfan | February 8, 2009 6:51 PM

Put Moe on record for never having complained about off-topic, non-football jibba-jabba as he is the ADD leader when it comes to a wandering mind.

Besides, until FA starts or the draft hits, there really is very little of true football related to yak about.

So get your blog-on: the REDSKINS BLOG OWNER is really the only thing you have to worry about.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

So get your blog-on: the REDSKINS BLOG OWNER is really the only thing you have to worry about.
And since comments are the only thing that shows that anyone still cares a whit for anything the WaPo does, I think you're pretty safe there.
Newspapers should spend a lot more time telling everyone about how bad it was when all the buggy-whip manufacturers were struggling, and how the written word (printed in smudgey ink on low-quality paper in a rushed, haphazard way that guarantees factual error and sloppy analysis) is "too important to fail".

I'm sorry, was that off-topic?

Posted by: daggar | February 8, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

And since comments are the only thing that shows that anyone still cares a whit for anything the WaPo does, I think you're pretty safe there.
Newspapers should spend a lot more time telling everyone about how bad it was when all the buggy-whip manufacturers were struggling, and how the written word (printed in smudgey ink on low-quality paper in a rushed, haphazard way that guarantees factual error and sloppy analysis) is "too important to fail".

I'm sorry, was that off-topic?

Posted by: daggar


A little. But mostly it was ignorant, tiresome and transparent.

Posted by: TheCork | February 8, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse


All time favorite frontman...who ya' got?

Freddie Mercury or Mick Jagger?

Posted by: rickyroge | February 8, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

A little. But mostly it was ignorant, tiresome and transparent.
Ah, well, I've managed to improve the quality of discourse singlehandedly, then.
I'll try less hard next time.

Posted by: daggar | February 8, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Vernon Carey instead of Stacey Andrews. Also young and a good tackle. Wont break the bank.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 8, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

"All time favorite frontman...who ya' got?"


David Lee Roth

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | February 9, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

"All time favorite frontman...who ya' got?"

Geddy Lee

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 9, 2009 8:28 AM | Report abuse

DEs - CHRIS CANTY (DALLAS)
ANTONIO SMITH (CARDS)
DT JOVAN HAYE (BUCS)
OT STACY ANDREWS (CINCI)

I'd like the team to go after Canty, he'd fit in the spot that JTaylor previously occupied. Don't know much about the middle 2. I'd still give a contract to Andrews, acl aside. Get him now, while he's cheap. Vernon Carey might be pretty pricey. Combine is coming up, then Free Agency right after that.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 9, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

"All time favorite frontman...who ya' got?"

Freddy Mercury with Robert Plant as a close 2nd.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 9, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

All time favorite frontman...who ya' got?

Thom York

Posted by: alex35332 | February 9, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

"All time favorite frontman...who ya' got?"

Geddy Lee


Posted by: matthewvickers | February 9, 2009 8:28 AM |

Gotta give it to you one of the best concerts I have ever seen.

Geddy Lee is the man, and Neal Pert on drums is incredible.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 9, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

A general question for those interested:

Why is the steriods thing a bigger issue for baseball when it's obviously a major point of interest in football?

The same weekend the world completely turned on A-Fraud's positive test in 2003 for 'riod use, D Stubblefield was sentenced for being apart of the same thing: using performance enhancing drugs.

A-Fraud, Bonds, Giambi, et al get all the chatter on the sports' yak shows when it comes to the subject of 'riod use while footballers caught up in the same syringe snare get little attention.

Why is that?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Thom York

Posted by: alex35332 | February 9, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

I didn't realize the question was "All time favorite front man for making you want to stick an ice pick in your ear to make it stop"

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 9, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Moe
It has to do with the contact aspect of the games.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 9, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Why is that?

Posted by: MistaMoe

Because Alex Rodriguez and Barry Bonds would have gone down as arguably the two greatest players to ever play the game if the steroids issue was never caught.

If Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Jerry Rice were caught doping, you can bet your bottom-dollar it would be a much bigger issue for football.

Posted by: psps23 | February 9, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Moe,

I think that while Football has replaced Baseball in terms of popularity, there are nothing in sports that are more sacred and revered as baseball's records.

Hank Aaron's home run record was a piece of American history and it's been tainted by the Steroid era. A-rod, while a collosal poser, has always been viewed as a 'clean' player and was the best hope of restoring dignity to such a sacred record. Now that's gone and baseball is forever tainted by steroids.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 9, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Original_etrod
What are you a in'sync fan?

Posted by: alex35332 | February 9, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

OE,

Hit it on the head, the reason it is such a big deal in baseball is because of there sacred records. Football is more about the team then individual records not so much in baseball.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 9, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

best frontman = Jim Morrison

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 9, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

I liked them when they were undergound. Once they went mainstream Timberlake's ego brought them down :).

Very few band inspire more rage in me than Radiohead. Maybe Coldplay or the Killers, but that's about it.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 9, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, was anyone surprised about this news concerning A-rod?? I mean, even a little surprised?? I wasn't, and putting aside the uniform that he wears, I wouldn't be surprised if guys on the Sox got exposed for the same thing.

Baseball will NEVER recover from this. Until the union admits there is a problem, and wants to be part of the solution, everyone is suspect in baseball.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 9, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of steroids, is there a better candidate for the next "not surprised at all that he was doping", if he were to get caught, than Terrell Owens?

Think about it; constant emotional headcase, consistently thought of as a "physical freak of nature", recovers from serious injuries shockingly fast, still as athletic in his mid-30s as he was in his mid-20s.

Isn't the writing on the wall with that one?

Posted by: psps23 | February 9, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

If you don't like Radiohead then you naturally would not like Coldplay because their goal in existence is to just be a soccer-mom friendly version of Radiohead.

All they ever do is try to rip off more talented artistes constantly. For example, what they were wearing at the grammy Sgt. peppers rip-off each song they try to either sound like U2 and Radiohead. And their grammy winning song was stolen from Joe Satriani.

How bout this, you want to see the best live performing band on the planet go to a Radiohead show.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 9, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

A-Rod's name was mentioned a while back in one of the tell all books on the someone released wasn't it?

Posted by: alex35332 | February 9, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

psp, nothing would surprise me with that guy....he's got all the 'indicators' of a user....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 9, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Psps,
I would think he is a maybe but the NFL test something like 6-12 times a year.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 9, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

"I would think he is a maybe but the NFL test something like 6-12 times a year."

The criminal mind is smarter out of necessity. Guaranteed there is stuff out there now that can't be detected.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | February 9, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Hit it on the head, the reason it is such a big deal in baseball is because of there sacred records. Football is more about the team then individual records not so much in baseball.

Football lends itself to statistical analysis in a way that baseball really can't. But baseball has about 3 hours a day to kill while watching the paint dry, so they make up these numbers to keep from falling asleep.

I loved watching baseball growing up. But now that my time has some value, baseball falls somewhere behind watching the TV test pattern.

Posted by: daggar | February 9, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

"Very few band inspire more rage in me than Radiohead. Maybe Coldplay or the Killers, but that's about it.

Posted by: Original_etrod"

bite your tongue! Radiohead and Killers are good, Coldplay is god awful. Coldplay shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as those two.

as for roids, I'm pretty sure A-Rod's name already came out when that big list came out like 5 or 6 months ago. I remember seeing it and wondering why nobody made a big deal out of it.

Don't know how that one slipped through the cracks, he's already been outed as a roider. This was not news.


and go BRAVES

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 9, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

TT11 and I agree on everything he just posted save the "go braves" line.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 9, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

I've seen them live just for that reason. A friend told me it would change my opinion and even bought the tickets. I still hate them.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 9, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Radiohead the best live band? Did we forget about Springsteen?

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 9, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Springspeen does not spend the amount of money on lighting and effects that Radiohead does. Also this article that they were syncing the super bowl makes me a little made.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 9, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

truth, thanks for Smoltz. When he's our #4 starter by the break, you'll regret letting him leave.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 9, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

'...A-Rod's name was mentioned a while back in one of the tell all books on the someone released wasn't it?'

Posted by: alex35332 | February 9, 2009 9:28 AM


Jose Canseco's book "Juiced" dropped A-Rod's name as a secret needle-guy.

People hated on Jose then. He looks like a godsend now, what with the frankness about how the 'riods worked, who used them, the degree to which they were in use by so many guys--pitchers and position players alike.

From the fan/taxpayer point of view, though, I hate the fact that the teams' owners spent more time beginning for money to build new stadiums than they did looking into whether or not if the guys they were paying huge sums of money to play ball were, well, 'juiced'.

If I'm an owner--like the clowns who run Yankee town-- I'm getting me a lawyer and figuring out if I can viod a contract.

A-Rod's $300 million contract was bargined for out of what seems to be a fraudulent position on his part--that he got his numbers the clean way, when, in fact, that might not have been the case.

It all seems like fraud to me.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I know that teams can sign new guys (from the UFA ether) to futures contracts and I THINK that they can start re-signing guys who are RFA and UFA from their OWN rosters (assuming the guy wants to come back and/or does not want to 'test' the free agent market), but can someone confirm that?

I still say that Skins should make a move for Harvey Dahl, UFA/guard/Atlanta ... assuming the Falcons don't get him first. Dahl is dcsween's "Sleeper FA of 2009" ... he WILL get paid ... hopefully not Dockery money (esp. if its the Skins), but he is young, angry, and a starter. Angry is good in an offensive lineman.

Posted by: dcsween | February 9, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

yall remember the Sosa/McGwire home run race?

Was that in 1998? Jeeze.

So I was 12 years old. I remember how magical all that was, baseball was huge at that time and Braves were balling out!

Now I look back and it's all FRAUDULENT

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 9, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

2008 Bengals with Fitzpatrick - 4-7-1.
2008 Bengals with Palmer 0-4-0.

[which only proves that stats are meaningless]. With the talent around him, he's going to get stats. Show me some wins. Show me the playoffs. Show me top-five QB talent (that gets the Bengals into the playoffs consistently).
But he does get to the pro bowl... I'll give him that. And watching today's game, you can truly see the honor.

[subtle jab-sarcasm alert... I am not watching the pro bowl.]


Posted by: daggar | February 8, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Show me that you understand football. Show me that you understand a QB has no control over what happens on defense. Show me that you understand wins and losses have to do with more than just QB play. Show me that you understand Palmer was playing with an eventual season-ending elbow injury in 2008.

Few would deny that Drew Brees is a top 5 QB talent in the league right now. How many playoff appearances does he have?

And how many playoff appearances does your hero Matt Cassel have? You started this discussion by piping Cassell as the best QB to come out of USC. Did he lead his team to the playoffs??

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

dc, I saw something yesterday on Dahl, I think walterfootball or something. It had him listed as a RFA, and not a UFA. Are you 100 percent that he's a UFA??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 9, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Steroids. Baseball. A-Rod.

*yawn*

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Alex - they didn't sync the Super Bowl. I know people who worked it and Bruce INSISTED on everything being live.

As for the lighting effects.... ehh... good and all, but I'll take ass kicking music and getting the crowd riled up over a seizure anyday...

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 9, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Re: Boss

...and nothing makes for a great show like a crotch-crunching knee slide into a camera man.

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

As for the lighting effects.... ehh... good and all, but I'll take ass kicking music and getting the crowd riled up over a seizure anyday...

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 9, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Pink Floyd will give you the best of both.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 9, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Question:

If manny Ramirez started shooting up steroids just to piss people off, would that simply be a case of "Manny being Manny"?

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Ryp
Your friends can say it wasn't but the papers are reporting that they did.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 9, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I think he actually intended to run into the cameraman. He does the knee slide in every show he does, so he's pretty practiced at it. I heard he was actually practicing running into the cameraman... he can gauge his sliding distance pretty well.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 9, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: alex35332 | February 9, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Psps,

I don't think Owens is a 'roid-rager. He's just a 10 year old trapped in the body of a genetically freaked out 35 year old athlete.

In fact we could make a movie about it and call it "Big D".

Jerry Jones could play the grown-up corporate girlfriend.

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Like Pink Floyd, but can they still do it?

Plus, I don't like contact highs when Im at a rock concert.

Alex - what "papers" are reporting this?

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 9, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

The AP. I posted a link to it.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 9, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I think he actually intended to run into the cameraman. He does the knee slide in every show he does, so he's pretty practiced at it. I heard he was actually practicing running into the cameraman... he can gauge his sliding distance pretty well.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 9, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Too bad Dennis Rodman can't get away with those shenanigans...

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I had always heard good thing about Pink Floyd live.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 9, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I think there is always a recorded track in the background in case anything goes wrong with the equipment. Its pretty obvious if you watch it though, Bruce and the instruments are all live. Im sure the videos are out there.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 9, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Bruce was live but I could see the music being fake.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 9, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I heard on the radio that E-Street band was pre-recorded, but Bruce was singing live.

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Floyd probably will not be playing live again as Roger Waters and David Gilmour just can't seem to get along.

I thought NSync fans and Radiohead fans were the same people. Am I mistaken?

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 9, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I thought NSync fans and Radiohead fans were the same people. Am I mistaken?

Posted by: Posse81_83_84

I am sure that there are 3% of them that cross over but I would say most of them will war each other.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 9, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

oh look the Boston Red Sox fan!

I used to find it funny, in a sad way, when Boston fans were crying about how the Yankees domination wasn't fair because of their high payroll, while at the same time Boston had the SECOND highest payroll in baseball.


what a joke! FRAUDS

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 9, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Posse - no way man. Think Sharks and Jets from West Side Story...only gayer (not that there's anything wrong with that).

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 9, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Tool puts on a really good light show.

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 9, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

No more like Stoners vs Cheerleaders.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 9, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for clearing that up. Some of the Radiohead stuff I have heard is ok as far as the music goes, singer just gets a little too whiney for my taste.

As far as baseball goes, any stats after the mid 80s can be considered sketchy. A-Rod was on that Texas team with Palmeiro, Juan Gonzalez, Ivan Rodiguez and other known or suspected juicers so not a big surprise. But why is he the only one of the 104 on the list getting torn up? They should publish it all.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 9, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Anyway, back to football.... how about this?

- Cut Springs, Taylor, Marcus, Griff, Thrash. Keep Rogers and Hall.

- Sign a RT, either Stacey Andrews if healthy, or Vernon Carey. Sign ONE of these 3 (DE Chris Canty, DE Antonio Smith, DT Jovan Haye). Sign ONE of these 3 WR (Devrey Henderson, Lance Moore, Nate Washington).

- Trade our #13 to either NYG, NE, or Miami for their two 2nds. Pick up Duke Robinson and best available center. Go after DEs with our 5th and 6th.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 9, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

also Gorillaz > most

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 9, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

D-line with 3rd, 5th and 6th I meant.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 9, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I'll go with Truth on that one.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 9, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

Dahl is a RFA

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 9, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I agree Gorillaz is great, especially for a band thats considered a virtual band.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 9, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

+++I think he actually intended to run into the cameraman. He does the knee slide in every show he does, so he's pretty practiced at it. I heard he was actually practicing running into the cameraman... he can gauge his sliding distance pretty well.

Posted by: Rypien11+++

I don't know. Out here radio is reporting Bruce has been wearing a codpiece since 2003.

Posted by: TheCork | February 9, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Hey all wanted to stop in and say Hello. Life has been crazy hope all are well.

Also, the Pro Bowl without ST is just not the same.

Posted by: Gweez | February 9, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

thanks flound, what level??

If the team has to give up something to sign him then forget it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 9, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Ryp,

You make it sound like trading our 13th pick is just a matter of us wanting to do it. There has to be a team that wants to trade with us, not many teams are going to trade in the top 15 unless there is a special player there.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 9, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Tool puts on a really good light show.

Posted by: matthewvickers

Going to a rock concert for the light show is like going to a Lamp Store for the music.

Posted by: TheCork | February 9, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Flound - youre right of course, but if its possible.... this is me wishing.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 9, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Sounds to me like TheCork is not going to concerts in the right state of mind if you know what I mean.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 9, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Flound - youre right of course, but if its possible.... this is me wishing.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 9, 2009 10:58 AM |

Me to I would like to trade down we need the picks.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 9, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Next year is the Year Of The Truth


Redskins win Superbowl.

Bobcats win NBA Championship.

Braves win World Series without steroid use.

Dawgs win NC in football, basketball, and baseball.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 9, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I am willing to bet most people would be willing to trade back for picks if we can. But with what we have it could be complex.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 9, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

"Dawgs win NC in football, basketball, and baseball."

Sorry, UNC is winning all of those.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | February 9, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Wow...no Pro Bowl thread? Really? Thanks, JLC...for the crap sandwich in-season and the neglect in the off-season!

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 9, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

dc, I saw something yesterday on Dahl, I think walterfootball or something. It had him listed as a RFA, and not a UFA. Are you 100 percent that he's a UFA??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 9, 2009 10:15 AM

I saw that on the wlatler football site as well, but scout.com has him as UFA. Even so, what are the rules for signing other team's RFAs?

Also, the pft rumor mill says that Ronald Curry is likely to end up whacked to waivers. If SKins get to keep five WRs (or even six), he would be my 5th or 6th guy (though, in reality, would be #2 behind Santana).

Posted by: dcsween | February 9, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | February 9, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Here is my pro-bowl analysis.

its so obvious Reid called the game for the NFC. He called a whopping 1 pass to a TE

Posted by: alex35332 | February 9, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Also, the pft rumor mill says that Ronald Curry is likely to end up whacked to waivers. If SKins get to keep five WRs (or even six), he would be my 5th or 6th guy (though, in reality, would be #2 behind Santana).

Posted by: dcsween | February 9, 2009 11:25 AM

Right now a bowl of curry would be the #2 WR behind Santana...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 9, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I saw Sellers put a block on Ray Lewis...thats about it for the pro-bowl. Lewis was putting forth zero effort...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 9, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

dc, depending on the level which ATL has tendered Dahl, will depend on what the Redskins have to give up if they sign him and ATL does not match.

Kind of like Lavy Coles a few years back.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 9, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

The Fabulous ShuttleLOUNGE. Best. Show. Ever.

Hey y'all. We found a great little house to rent in Four Corners. Woodmoor area. $$ is the same we were paying here in Miamuh, so it shouldn't be too much to handle. I could do without the extra taxes, though... uhg.

Has anyone caught the Tim & Eric Awesome Show Great Job tour? I missed it here last nite... oh well...

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 9, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Who would be a worse publicist for TO

Lane Kiffin

or

the "He has four million reasons to live" ex-publicist

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 9, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of Pro Bowl, did you see Derrick Dockery was named a starter?


...



For the NFL Fanhouse "Anti-Pro Bowl Team" (Motto: "Not for this miserable bunch")

Posted by: daggar | February 9, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Surprise answer I think Mike Vick would be a worse publicist.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 9, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

"After asking Marshall’s mother to wait outside, the assistant escorted Marshall and his father, Dennis, into a musty men’s dressing room, clearing away clutter so the two could sit. Using a dry erase board, he gave the Marshalls a short presentation about how Kendall would fit into Maryland’s program.

And then?

“That was it,” Dennis Marshall said. “The whole visit was over in 20 minutes. No tour of the campus, no tour of the facilities … nothing. We just walked back to our car and went home.” "


wow

that's just hilariously bad

that crap wouldn't even work in the SEC, let alone the ACC

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 9, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Three skins made that list as reserves as bad players. I dispute 2 of them but only a little Rabach,DeAngelo Hall, Suisham.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 9, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

"that crap wouldn't even work in the SEC, let alone the ACC"

I hope Gary stays there forever, ensuring Maryland never wins again. If someone got half these guys to stay home, they would be top 5 year in and year out.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | February 9, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

'...I saw Sellers put a block on Ray Lewis...thats about it for the pro-bowl. Lewis was putting forth zero effort...'

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 9, 2009 11:32 AM


The Pro Bowl is a fine concept poorly executed.

I suggest putting the game out of the fans' misery.

The players don't really make any effort to win, despite what C Collingsworth said.

How does $45,000--the winning team's check-- matter to a guy who's pocketed 16 weeks of game checks on a million plus dollar salary?

Andy Reid in a Hawaiian shirt was a cool thing. He looked like a whale that had been attacked by some bad graffeti artist.

The special teams play was a joke. Guys just waltzed towards each other like a pair of sorry bears and held the position up until some brave soul decided to tackle the guy with the ball.

And poor Randell McDaniel. How would you like to be asked, "And just do how lineman prove they belong in the HOF?" by some moron sideline reporter?

And people say baseball is dull.

The Pro Bowl is a sad way to end the season.


Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I think they should expand the wining teams salary cap for the next season by 1 million or something. That would get us all watching.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 9, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I still like my idea about position salaries instead of personal salaries. It just makes so much more sense. And it's fair.

Of course, that would explain why it won't get enacted.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 9, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Man, I remember watching Ronald Curry in High School when I lived in Newport News. He was like the 2nd coming of Randall Cunningham back then. Michael Vick was an afterthought.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 9, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

p1funk, I apologize, you're right, Carson Palmer is the greatest USC QB in NFL history. I don't know what I was thinking.
Although, Rodney Peete gives him a run for his money:


Year Rd Sel # Player Position Team
2008 5 137 John David Booty QB Minnesota Vikings
2006 1 10 Matt Leinart QB Arizona Cardinals
2005 7 230 Matt Cassel QB New England Patriots
2003 1 1 Carson Palmer QB Cincinnati Bengals
1996 7 240 Kyle Wachholtz QB Green Bay Packers
1995 4 99 Rob Johnson QB Jacksonville Jaguars
1991 1 24 Todd Marinovich QB Los Angeles Raiders
1991 10 260 Pat O'Hara QB Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1989 6 141 Rodney Peete QB Detroit Lions
1980 4 109 Paul McDonald QB Cleveland Browns
1978 5 131 Rob Hertel QB Cincinnati Bengals
1977 6 140 Vince Evans QB Chicago Bears
1975 7 176 Pat Haden QB Los Angeles Rams
1973 8 205 Mike Rae QB Oakland Raiders
1964 1 Pete Beathard QB Detroit Lions
1963 10 Bill Nelsen QB Pittsburgh Steelers
1953 2 Rudy Bukich QB Los Angeles Rams
1945 1 Jim Hardy QB Washington Redskins
1940 1 Grenny Lansdell QB New York Giants

That, my friends, is a looong list of "hey, I remember that guy (but not for his greatness on the field)".

Posted by: daggar | February 9, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

tons of excitement today, on tap...

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Daggar - I was about to say - hey, you forgot Gary Beban - but he was from UCLA.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 9, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

daggar

Add:

Mark Sanchez 2009

Your listing is an excellent highlighting of the unremarkable.

Could you please entertain us all next a listing of all the alleged great players drafted out of Notre Dame over the past ten years?

That unremarkable list would be just as excellent.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Sean Salisbury also go to USC?

Nice to see Jamal Anderson join the ranks with Salisbury and Reynolds.

Ol' Dirty, really does look like his mood is enhanced on the first take set.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Why even waste your breath talking about former SoCal QB's.


Let's look at the LONG STORIED HISTORY OF GEORGIA QUATERBACKS


from FRAN TARKENTON TO MATTHEW STAFFORD BABY

and then you can throw in a Quincy Carter here and a DJ Shockley there

maybe even add a JOE TERESHINSKI THE THIRD

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 9, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

or how 'bout BUCK BELUE???

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 9, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: icetotalpackage | February 9, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

when can we talk about Jonathan Sullivan?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 9, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

This is from the Fanhouse mock.

Who is this guy never heard of him and I have not seen him in any other Mock going even close to the top 15.

13. Redskins: Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State
The Redskins were pathetic at getting after the passer last season compared to their NFC East brethren, so finding someone who can come around the outside is imperative.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 9, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Flounder21

I have no idea but I hope is wrong. Like you I have never heard of this guy.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | February 9, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

From WalterFootball,

Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 240.
Projected 40 Time: 4.61.
Projected Round (2009): Top 25 Pick.
Exhibit A as to why you can't trust anything college athletes say. A month ago, Aaron Maybin was adamant about coming back for his junior year. On Tuesday, he declared two years early for the 2009 NFL Draft. Despite having just one productive year at Penn State, Maybin will be a first-round pick because of his potential.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 9, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

flound/jm, if the Redskins pick that guy, they're idiots. I've seen him listed at 236 pounds. No thanks.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 9, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

p1funk, I apologize, you're right, Carson Palmer is the greatest USC QB in NFL history. I don't know what I was thinking.
Although, Rodney Peete gives him a run for his money:

Year Rd Sel # Player Position Team
2008 5 137 John David Booty QB Minnesota Vikings
2006 1 10 Matt Leinart QB Arizona Cardinals
2005 7 230 Matt Cassel QB New England Patriots
2003 1 1 Carson Palmer QB Cincinnati Bengals
1996 7 240 Kyle Wachholtz QB Green Bay Packers
1995 4 99 Rob Johnson QB Jacksonville Jaguars
1991 1 24 Todd Marinovich QB Los Angeles Raiders
1991 10 260 Pat O'Hara QB Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1989 6 141 Rodney Peete QB Detroit Lions
1980 4 109 Paul McDonald QB Cleveland Browns
1978 5 131 Rob Hertel QB Cincinnati Bengals
1977 6 140 Vince Evans QB Chicago Bears
1975 7 176 Pat Haden QB Los Angeles Rams
1973 8 205 Mike Rae QB Oakland Raiders
1964 1 Pete Beathard QB Detroit Lions
1963 10 Bill Nelsen QB Pittsburgh Steelers
1953 2 Rudy Bukich QB Los Angeles Rams
1945 1 Jim Hardy QB Washington Redskins
1940 1 Grenny Lansdell QB New York Giants


That, my friends, is a looong list of "hey, I remember that guy (but not for his greatness on the field)".

Posted by: daggar | February 9, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

tons of excitement today, on tap...

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2009 12:41 PM


I would put Vince Evans up there too. I think he played for the Raiders well into his forties. And he played in the USFL too.

Posted by: Predator48 | February 9, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Fact is, anything by Jay-Z in the late 90s is better than everything by Pac in his alleged prime.

"...I don't care 'bout you and yo weak a$$ed crew, whatcha gone do when big poppa come fo' you?"

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2009 9:40 AM

This is one of those arguments where no one opinion's will change.....

Pac has more quality and quanity. Speaks on more subjects. And has deeper messages.

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 9, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Any questions?

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 7, 2009 9:27 PM

Are you still recommending Six Flags? I think the common stock will be wiped out and the company will be owned by the debt holders. As I recall, Snyder has trimmed his stock position and has bought some of the debt so he will still be in the game.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 7, 2009 9:59 PM

No. But I was earlier pointing to at that certain period. And at that time I said buy for the long term. So, hopefully Snyder learns quicker how to run that business faster than he did a football team........

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 9, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I would put Vince Evans up there too. I think he played for the Raiders well into his forties.

A perfect example... "I remember that guy (because he kept putting on the helmet)."

Do you remember that one play he made?
Yeah, I don't either.

Notre Dame = "Joe Montana". Any questions?

Posted by: daggar | February 9, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

David Green anyone????

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 9, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

There is a story on the Washington Redskins' suck up blog that Byron Leftwich is entertaining the notion that he'd like to come to DC and challenge Jay Campbell for the starting q-back slot.

Can you believe this? Leftwich thinks he's better than Jason Campbell.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, hell.

Maybe he has a point.

He looked very sharp tossing a couple of bombs against the Skins D in the stillers' win over our gang this past season.

He throws a great ball including a lot of the touch passes that Mr. Campbell flubs.

His deep ball is very accurate--heck, that's all he threw down in Jackie-ville until their FO though Garrard was their savior.

Yes, he's immobile and would get pummeled behind the skins sorry o-line. But the occasional long reception might mitigate against that worry.

If Campbell's game doesn't improve even with better line play next year, it might nice to have a guy like Leftwich back in the cut to replace him.

Does it sounds like Moe is for the idea of bringing Leftwich in to see if he's better back up or starting material than either Campbell or Coliins?

Yeah, sure. What do we have to lose?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

No, I don't think so on Lefwich - Collins signed a 3 year contract before this season - to be the 'Skins backup. No one else is coming here next wear whose position name starts with a "Q" - so fantisize all you want, but this team does not think they have to get better by gettting new people (or a new person) at QB.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 9, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Fact is, anything by Jay-Z in the late 90s is better than everything by Pac in his alleged prime.

"...I don't care 'bout you and yo weak a$$ed crew, whatcha gone do when big poppa come fo' you?"

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2009 9:40 AM

This is one of those arguments where no one opinion's will change.....

Pac has more quality and quanity. Speaks on more subjects. And has deeper messages.

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 9, 2009 1:34 PM |

Have too agree with the Moe-man on this one. I was never too big fan of either artist, I'm too old school and not a "thug-life" kinda dude.
But Two of Pac's songs "I Wonder If Heaven Got a Ghetto" and "Lost Souls" really caught me off-guard. Considering Pac's self proclaimed Thug Life image, these 2 songs were way deeper than what he's usually known for.

Jay-Z never did anything that made you think while you was noddin your head. Not to say that Jay-Z wasn't any good, but Pac had that next level rhyme ability that the Jigga man didn't. I always thought it was a shame that he didn't get to explore it further.

Posted by: Predator48 | February 9, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Moe,

If Campbell doesn't show improvement in '09, I would be surprised..... but I would be even more surprised if Vinny C and Danny boy see Leftwich as a solution; he's slow & injury-prone.... Sounds like some of our draft picks; VC & DB like those qualities.

I still say we need to extend JC, the sooner the better.

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 9, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

JMITP,
The true nugget of value from that Mock:
"The Raiders have holes everywhere, so taking the best player available seems like a solid approach. The other possibility: bring Adam Archuleta back for one more chance to earn a roster spot as a linebacker."

Posted by: daggar | February 9, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Ghetto Gospel is also a good one from Pac. I believe Elton John is in that one.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 9, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Jay-Z - better technical writer
Pac - More inspirational
Big - Better flo + freestyler

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 9, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Exhibit A as to why you can't trust anything college athletes say. A month ago, Aaron Maybin was adamant about coming back for his junior year. On Tuesday, he declared two years early for the 2009 NFL Draft. Despite having just one productive year at Penn State, Maybin will be a first-round pick because of his potential.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 9, 2009 1:29 PM
==========================================
I'd prefer we pick Oher, who drops all the way to 28 in that mock.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 9, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Jay-Z - better technical writer
Pac - More inspirational
Big - Better flo + freestyler

Posted by: Rypien11

Will Smith=Greatest rapper ever

just kidding

Posted by: GreatOne1 | February 9, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

thund, agreed, for some reason, Oher seems to be falling in a lot of the drafts that I've seen. Either walter, or nfldraftcountdown, has him as the 4th rated tackle this year. Jason Smith out of Baylor is now rated as the top tackle...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 9, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Will Smith = Greatest actor who used to rap.

Posted by: Predator48 | February 9, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

" Not to say that Jay-Z wasn't any good, but Pac had that next level rhyme ability that the Jigga man didn't. I always thought it was a shame that he didn't get to explore it further"

Jay-Z has plenty of complex rhymes that make you think

Like short sleeves I bare arms

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 9, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Trading down and still getting OT Oher would be awesome. The Skins might be able to pick up an OG or OLB with the 2nd round pick.

Posted by: siris | February 9, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

matthewvickers

"If Campbell doesn't show improvement in '09, I would be surprised..."

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 9, 2009 2:02 PM


I honestly think he'll be better as well.

Something that might help who be putting him in shot gun more often.

Using Betts as a check down/screen guy on 2nd downs would help and stop Zorn from calling that silly draw to Portis that everyone knows is coming.

Too, starting Fred Davis would help as he could run delay routes out of two tight end sets and give Campbell another guy to feed the ball to.

But the major improvement in the passing will occur if D Thomas comes in to camp committed to the idea that he can beat out ARE for the 'z' or slot receiver spot.

Neither Moss nor Cooley will realize their true value in Zorn's system if there is no credible player on the opposite side of the field for the defense to worry about.

Too me, getting Thomas and Davis going early on will do wonders for the Skins' offense next season.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

"Trading down and still getting OT Oher would be awesome. The Skins might be able to pick up an OG or OLB with the 2nd round pick.

Posted by: siris"

yeah we're gonna trade down from #13 and somehow get a guy who everyone has going in the top 4 on top of the extra draft pick we get for trading back

you should be our GM

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 9, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Jay-Z - better technical writer
Pac - More inspirational
Big - Better flo + freestyler

Bun-B should be added to this list of rappers who can spit rhymes that make you think.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | February 9, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

If Big was the GOAT or in the conversation, why didn't he have better quality posthumus recordings of old or unreleased material? Because the Biggie material that wasn't released was garbage and didn't live up to the standard set by his previously released work. How many of you Biggie fans bought Born Again or Biggie Duets? Big was a brilliant flash of light, nothing more.

And predator, you have to listen to Jay Z's albums not just his club or radio hits. Have you listened to American Gangsta?

... yall [] got me really confused out there, I make " Big Pimpin" or "Give It To Me" one of those, they hail me as the greatest writer of da 21st century,
I make some thought provokin'
[sjk] y'all question whether he fallin' off, Ima really confuse yall on this....
Jay Z - Ignorant S..t

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 9, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Will Smith = Greatest actor who used to act. He's so Chuck Heston these days...

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 9, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Jay-Zs best song - December 4th.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 9, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 9, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Will Smith = Greatest actor who used to rap.

Posted by: Predator48 | February 9, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Mark Walburg= greatest actor who used to rap and can actually ID a good movie script.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 9, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Mark Walburg= greatest actor who used to rap and can actually ID a good movie script.

yeah like his new movie

you know the new one


Exactly

Posted by: GreatOne1 | February 9, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm not talking about just slick lines, I'm talking about isht thats got more meaning than just braggadocio. I admit that I've never heard American Gangsta though, so maybe that'll change my mind.
Don't get me wrong, Jay-Z is slick with the verbs, no doubt.

Posted by: Predator48 | February 9, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Jay-Z has plenty of complex rhymes that make you think


Like short sleeves I bare arms

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 9, 2009 2:22 PM

While dope, I wouldn't say that lines like: "Like short sleeves I bare arms", are complex, deep thought rhymes.

I'd consider those punch lines.

Some of the best punch line rappers (living or active) are: Jay-Z, Cassidy, Lil Wayne, J Hood, and Jae Millz.

You hear some people complain about these type of "punch line rappers", or someone who uses a lot of metaphors. I can listen to all types of hip-hop, as long as its real.

Someone posted a few days ago that they were having problems finding anything new in hip-hop they can rock out to. They were saying how they didn't want to listen to only music from the '90s...

Sometimes I have this problem also. But then I remember that it doesn't matter how old something is (unless you're throwing a party or something).

If it rocked then, it rocks now.

And if you're not a fan of today's hip hop, you can thank "da durrty souf" for that.

Master P, the ORIGINAL Cash Money Millionaires, and Three Six Mafia came in the late '90s-early part of this decade and changed the way people listen to, dance to, and overall view hip-hop.

To sell records in hip-hop today, all you need is: a beat you can create a dance for, a catchy hook, a fabricated past, constant non-stop drug talk and violence, and half-assed naked big booty chicks in your videos.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Alex, are you talking about the actor who used to be a rapper who is the subject of this spot on impersonation?

http://www.hulu.com/watch/37753/saturday-night-live-mark-wahlberg-talks-to-animals

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 9, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

The Lovely, Bones based off the bestselling book directed by Pete Jackson. And he is producing Entourage. Also working on The Brazilian Job.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 9, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

yeah we're gonna trade down from #13 and somehow get a guy who everyone has going in the top 4 on top of the extra draft pick we get for trading back

you should be our GM

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 9, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse
I think what Siris waws saying is that in this mock draft, Oher dropped down to #28. If we traded back, and he was still there for us, we would be extremely lucky. But it could happen.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 9, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

No way Jay-Z has a "best" song.

BUT, if he did "Blueprint (My Momma Loves Me)", is one of my top 10 records of all-time.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

kudos, learned, for using SJK quoting rap lyrics! awesome!

I'm a little surprised - no Blowfly calls. I'll place that one.

NPR called Rudy Ray Moore the Godfather of Rap, but Rudy got everything he did from Clarence.

Clarence Reid (Blowfly) is the master. And you can still see him, even if the band sucks donkey SJK. SJK'er is 70 years old this year. Still ornery as SJK.

More evidence. All of these rappers mentioned have sampled at least once, if not many times, Blowfly's beats.

-Rap Dirty

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 9, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

yes, but match him up to Jim West any day.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 9, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

What... no Onyx?!

Slam... let boys be boys.

(I always used to picture a little yenta monther saying those words.."let boys be boys".. hahahahahahaah)

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 9, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

'...and half-assed naked big booty chicks in your videos...'

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2009 2:49 PM |


This quote qualifies by why I can't stand durty south hip hop.

I listen to the songs and think, "How do I get the big booty chicks out of the videos and into the bedroom?"

I'll let y'all know when I solve that problem.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Mark Walberg does have a good eye.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ7w-z4BvMo
This is pretty good.

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 9, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

lh, a lot of BIG's legend is based on his "street legend" (Freestyles & Mixtapes). In the early '90s he was killin the mixtape circuits in NY, but he could never get a deal because of his image.

And trust me there a lot of guys who are unknown and underground that are better than most of these dudes with deals from record labels.

Some of the reasons they don't have a deal is because they aren't willing to put the time in to hone their rhyming skills (they prefer to rhyme off memory rather than write), or they don't know the right people to get them a deal.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Moe, ducets. Just ducets.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 9, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Moe, I'm trying to figure out where are these "ladies" that are in the videos...

You'll be surprised that a lot of them are country girls - farm living, cow milking, water fetching, rooster crowing in the morning country girls.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

The excellent recruiting practices of Gary Williams:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=jn-williams020909&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | February 9, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, there is that quote from Debbie Yow who says that Gary is as passionate about recruiting as she's ever seen him be in 15 years. I don't know if she meant to be ironic, but that is just the problem...over the past 15 years Gary has NOT been passionate about recruiting.

But as a Terp fan, I'm glad his poor recruiting efforts are getting alot of publicity. I hope it puts enough heat on him to start really personally stepping things up.

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

....and while we're back on the subject of hip hop, what, ain't nobody got luv for Kanye West?

808s and Heartbreak is wack.

College Drop is tight.

Graduation is okay here and there.

But Late Registration is classic in every way.

Check out songs like "Gone," "Crack Music," "Roses," "We Major," "I'll Wait For Dat," "Diamonds," "Touch the Sky," and finally, "Goldigga."

Kanye is arrogant--what rapper isn't?

But you do get the wordplay, the self-referential analysis of ammoral behavior, the ironic observations, and distinct control of delivery that makes the best rapper an equal to the best singer.

If Pac or Biggie is the best of the 90s, Kanye and Lil Wayne stand way above the crowd for the '00s.

Too, Kanye is a producer: he makes his own tracks with or without samples whereas the other rappers folks are high on don't--unless you add Eminem and Dre into the argument.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

"p1funk, I apologize, you're right, Carson Palmer is the greatest USC QB in NFL history. I don't know what I was thinking."

Daggar, I forgive you.

I'm just glad you came around to see the light!

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

And if you're not a fan of today's hip hop, you can thank "da durrty souf" for that.

Master P, the ORIGINAL Cash Money Millionaires, and Three Six Mafia came in the late '90s-early part of this decade and changed the way people listen to, dance to, and overall view hip-hop.

To sell records in hip-hop today, all you need is: a beat you can create a dance for, a catchy hook, a fabricated past, constant non-stop drug talk and violence, and half-assed naked big booty chicks in your videos.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2009 2:49 PM

Red, I can tell you when that stuff became hot, I listened to radio rap less and less. That kind of rap just doesn't appeal to me.

Thank God guys like Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Common and Eminem came along. They saved hip-hop in the new millenium IMO.

Posted by: Predator48 | February 9, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I include Kanye in that list of hip-hop saviors as well.

Posted by: Predator48 | February 9, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

"If Big was the GOAT or in the conversation, why didn't he have better quality posthumus recordings of old or unreleased material? Because the Biggie material that wasn't released was garbage and didn't live up to the standard set by his previously released work. How many of you Biggie fans bought Born Again or Biggie Duets? Big was a brilliant flash of light, nothing more."


wow

you ruined your credibility


Biggie Duets was RECYCLED verses from Ready To Die and Life After Death....it had NOTHING that was unreleased

one of the few unreleased Biggie songs I've heard is The Wickedest Freestyle, which he DESTROYS

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 9, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

And if you're not a fan of today's hip hop, you can thank "da durrty souf" for that.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2009 2:49 PM

I do.

Wu, Boot Camp Click, EricB/Rakim; you know the drill...

I stopped listening to rap/hip-hop about 10 years ago, when they started playing some song on the radio where a dude yells out "Danger!" to a bunch of bleeps and whistles that sound like they are coming from an Atari game.

DMX also ruined it for me. You shouldn;t be allowed to grunt "erahah" at the end of lines that don't rhyme and bark all the time and pass it off as hip-hop.

Bunch of coat-tail riding bank robbers.

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

What... no Jessie James? (lmfao)

2 live? c'mon - they faced supreme court censorship.

Stetsasonic set copyright law for decades.

Just seems to me today that the talent has it all too easy. There's a roadmap laid out. Pioneers are more HC anyday.

...aren't they?

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 9, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Fatlip!

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 9, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

"If Pac or Biggie is the best of the 90s, Kanye and Lil Wayne stand way above the crowd for the '00s."

WRONG

Kanye is aright, dude just doesn't seem like a natural rhymer though.

As for Wayne, I used to be a big fan after Carter 1 and maybe even before that, but dude fell off hard. Carter 2 was solid, Carter 3 was straight garbage.


best of 2000's, I'm not that big of a fan, but I think Lupe is in the discussion, but Jay-Z is top 2 or 3 of the 90's and probably the best of the 2000's.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 9, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Some of the reasons they don't have a deal is because they aren't willing to put the time in to hone their rhyming skills (they prefer to rhyme off memory rather than write), or they don't know the right people to get them a deal.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2009 3:01 PM


Or you have guys like Wordsworth (of Lyricist's Lounge fame) whose one of the best freestyle rhymers I've ever heard, but is only good on someone else's record. He released his own album, but it sucked because he doesn't know how to make good songs, combining rhymes, beats and overall melody. He can rhyme his ass off tho.

Posted by: Predator48 | February 9, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

yeah blame the South that "hip hop is dead"


yawn


Outkast, Luda, TI, Wayne, Chamillionaire, Juve, Devin the Dude, Eightball & MJG, Scarface, Pastor Troy, Nappy Roots, ETC., ETC.

Very few rappers can compare to the catalogs of Scarface and Outkast.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 9, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

pred48, I guess it all depends on where you are from.

I've met people form the south who can't stand the "east coast" hip-hop. To them, its too boring and they can't dance to it.

People from the south assocaite rap, or hip-hop with the "scrip" club. Their thinking is if the stripper can't dance to it, then it doesn't get her "going", which doesn't get me "going".

Me, I'll always be a "east coast rap" sort of dude.

Favorite top three artists: Jadakiss, BIG, and Jay-Z.

"And y'all scared I can tell/'Cause I get bucks like Milwaukee and like Sam I ca'sell" - Jadakiss/Put Your hands Up

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

None of these rappers (PAc and JZ) don't even have a song as versitile as 'Brenda's Got a Baby' not 'Dear Mama'.

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 9, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

MEant to say Biggie and JZ not Pac and JZ......

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 9, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Always left out of the equation, but continually innovative and creative, probably my most underrated artist(s) in the "greatest" discussions has to be Outkast.

Though their image has changed more towards the pop-culture with songs like "Hey Ya!", their first 3 albums will always sit as some of my favorites. And you have to give them credit, because every album they've had has sounded completely different than the album before it, and they don't have a single album that I would consider "weak" (although Stankonia is very average). Their longevity and consistency is almost unmatched.

Posted by: psps23 | February 9, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Outkast, Goodie Mob. Fine.

...just spare me the Nintendo sound effects with some donkey screaming the same hook over and over again.

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

"People from the south assocaite rap, or hip-hop with the "scrip" club. Their thinking is if the stripper can't dance to it, then it doesn't get her "going", which doesn't get me "going"."


Uhhh wrong

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 9, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

No prejudice there, Truth.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 9, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Hey Ya has some of the best lyrics in a mainstream song in a long, long time.

Check the youtube video for this guy that does it on acoustic guitar. It's a perfect song, lyrically.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 9, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Very few rappers can compare to the catalogs of Scarface and Outkast.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 9, 2009 3:51 PM

Outkast, yes, but Scarface is a second tier artist at best.

Scarface did a few nice songs, but he didn't innovate anything. At least Outkast brought a new twist to the game with the whole neo-soul style. I can dig them.

Posted by: Predator48 | February 9, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Truth, that statement doesn't apply to everyone (C'mon man, damn), but it does to a great majority. If it isn't true at all, then why does every damn song from the south come equipped with a song.

Superman, laffy taffy... there are other I just don't hold the capacity for the lameness that some of these people put out.

What's sad though is that the leaders of the pack are always putting out the wackest material.

MC Hammer = Nelly

All gimmick, with little to no real talent

Man, I dislike Nelly. And to think I used to listen to Country Grammar, lol.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I used to cover it - had a lot of good response

"I don't wanna meet your momma, but I 'll have some of her homemade lasagne"

"I don't wanna meet your daddy, but let me use his golfing caddy"

[:-0

reallly...realllllyyyy.. bad.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 9, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm enjoying the new Hip Hop Insider. Its so much better than the mindless babbling about draft picks, trades, Vinny sucks, Danny sucks, blah, blah, blah!

I'm waiting for Cindy B to chime in about the first time she heard Public Enemy's "It Takes A Nation of Millions To Hold Us Back" and how it inspired her life.

And Jason can post about his love of Baltimore house music and we can laugh at him because we all know house music sucks.

Posted by: Predator48 | February 9, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse


yeah we're gonna trade down from #13 and somehow get a guy who everyone has going in the top 4 on top of the extra draft pick we get for trading back

you should be our GM

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 9, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I would love to be GM of the Skins! Although -- unlike the draft scenario I was commenting on which had Oher going at #28 -- I don't think it's likely...

The Skins will probably use the #13th pick if one of the top rated OTs (including Oher), OLB Curry, or DT Raji are still available. Otherwise, I'd expect them to trade down for a lower 1st and 2nd. Then use those picks on a quality OG (Robinson) and OLB (Matthews) or they could opt to draft a backup C/G (Mack) and 2nd tier OT/DT (Britton or Jerry); depending on who is available.

Posted by: siris | February 9, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I lost a lot of respect for Scarface when he started snitching... but who isn't these days?

Scarface was good in his era, him and the geto boys? Classic group. But now, maybe not so much. His "image" took a big hit once it was discovered that 'Face Mob, will rat you out.

p1, couldn't agree with you more about the fact that Outkast and Goodie Mob are the anomalies of the durrty. Those dudes were reppin' the south when the east coast had it locked.

Elevators. One of my all-time "I need a stoogie for this one" tracks.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

So yall think the south only puts out bad rap music?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 9, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

laffy taffy took ZERO talent to write. ZERO...

sorry, but its a stretch to call some of these guys musicians....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 9, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

One of my fav, poigniant, video shots was from a scarface vid.

The lonely shoes thrown over the telephone wire. I know it's overused, but it hit home.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 9, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

It must suck to be famous.

One minute you're a star, the next, your squeaky clean image is ruined because you swung on your chick while driving to the grammys and she refused to take a bow, even after you told her put down that umbrella.

(INSERT rimshot audio)

Soon, other people we think are perfect will be outed as frauds.

We'll learn the real reason why Santa asks little kids to sit on his lap.

(INSERT loud 'yuck' audio)

An Obama-love child will be seen frolicking in the Rose Garden once Oprah takes Prezident Bama on Maury to prove that he is the father.

(INSERT groan audio)

Okay--we'll quit while we're ahead, 'cuz the head is probably where Ms. Rihanna got tagged in the first place.

(INSERT loud booing and shouts of misygonist)

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

"geto boys? Classic group"

Yep, Any group that features a midget yet can still act like killers get the nod in my book. That'll never be duplicated.

"My Mind's Playin' Tricks On Me" has the best guitar sample of any hip-hop riff I've ever heard.

To all the Go-Go heads out there, there was a Go-Go cover of this song done, I only heard it once, but I loved it. Anybody know who did that?

Posted by: Predator48 | February 9, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I hate house music.

Clubs in DC used to have rooms that only played that stuff.

Terrible.

This may blasphemous because I'm from the DMV and what not, but I don't like go-go music either... coincidently only the go-go songs that get radio play in D.C. are the ones I'll listen to.

Can't. Stand. It.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

If you know Jeru the Damaja track "One Day", that pretty much encapsulates my take on hip-hop.

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Two words. Trick Daddy.

Uh huh. Okay. What's up? Shuddup.

Trina... gah!

[:-p

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 9, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

you ruined your credibility
Biggie Duets was RECYCLED verses from Ready To Die and Life After Death....it had NOTHING that was unreleased


Truth, you're wrong. Biggie Duets had unreleased material(Whatchu Want w/ Jay Z), (Livin' In Pain /w Pac, Nas and MJB), (Livin' the Life off of Born Again) or tapeed material (Hustler's Story). What about Born Again?

Even if I am incorrect, how does that effect my credibility? I never said I was an expert. I'm just expressin' my thoughts, what I was feelin' at the time.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 9, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

So yall think the south only puts out bad rap music?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 9, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

No.

If you saw my previous post you'd see me ripping DMX. I'm also pretty down on "Puffy" - with respect to BIG's flow.

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

classic stuff @ 4:21...lmao

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Red,
I was never into go-go either, even though it is uniquely "DC"...

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Two words. Trick Daddy.

Uh huh. Okay. What's up? Shuddup.

Trina... gah!

[:-p

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 9, 2009 4:23 PM

LOL!

Must be from the 305...lol

Great stuff, people.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Elevators. One of my all-time "I need a stoogie for this one" tracks.

Posted by: RedDMV

----

I was trying to avoid this, but...

Blackstar - Respiration
Reflection Eternal - For Women
Talib Kweli and Morcheeba - Let Me See
Slick Rick & Outkast - Street Talkin'
Gangstarr - Above the Clouds
Blackstar - Thieves in the Night
Common - Be
Outkast - Jazzy Belle
Eric B & Rakim - Paid in Full
The Roots - You Got Me
The Pharcyde - She Said

Make a playlist of those songs, then just sit back, relax, and enjoy perfection.

Posted by: psps23 | February 9, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Andre 3000 is among the best in the game.

Now that I've got your undivided attention I'm gonna say this and run under condition one
Promise me you gon' stack, promise me you gon' ball
Promise me you'll invest three fourths of it all
For what? So your kids', kids', kids can have some cheese
Can't get with it? Get get get get get on your knees
Cause wealth is the word
Rich is round the corner from the curb
Don't like what I write? Shoot me a bird


Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 9, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

So yall think the south only puts out bad rap music?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 9, 2009 4:18 PM

NO! Not at all. Every artists no matter which coast or city he or she hails from has put one or two garbage tracks in their careers.

It just seems that when southeren artist hit the scene, hip-hop changed. At one point it was cool to floss, then it became 'stuntin' when the south dropped hard, but that was the thing - it was all stuntin', all the time.

To me there wasn't a message, no real rhyming ability. Then you have the likes of a Lil John as your front man for that region (yeah, he was for a few years). So when the south was on the rise in hip-hop, you had this guy who had this annoying "talk" made noises that could only rival Master P, and drank from the holy grail. once I saw that, it made me think of an equation:

Southern Rappers = Gimmick.

With east coast rappers, it's all about telling some stories and metaphors. With west coast rappers it about the 64s and Cali, here on the east coast rappers tell you a story, give you ill metaphors, and still give you the songs about flossin'/stuntin'.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

nice list psps. U need some Blowfly, tho!

Love the Paid in Full


...pfunk - go go is deep. That rhythm goes back to africa. It's the swing version of the island beats, salsa, mambo, etc. (I'm not familiar w/ the Hatian names, but those too...)

Go go swing is a unique entity in the world and is a national treasure. It's a shame it isn't regarded more highly. It could use a few high-brow practitioners, though that would be counter-intuitive.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 9, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm not dissing go-go. Like I said, I appreciate that it is uniquely DC...I just never got that into it...

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I hear ya. The drummer during Chuck Brown's heyday was eventually tapped to play Miles Davis' last tour. And I believe Sugarfoot is the drummer on Grace Jone's "Slave to the Rhythm" (only reason the song/album did anything, if you ask me). I think that's about the most legit props Go Go ever got (except for maybe Trouble in the early 80's).

I'm no expert either, but have fond memories. & alot of listening.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 9, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

KRS/Das EFX threw go-go a shout in "Represent the Real Hip-Hop"...

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Go Go has regressed from a musical standpoint. They still do good R&B covers with the Go Go beat but the original material is lacking. It just sounds to me like a bunch of banging. Nobody today can touch Rare Essence of the early to mid 80s. Great musicians and great front men (Funk & Benny are the GOAT of Go Go). And Go Go has to be experienced live. But experiencing it live now requires taking your life in your greased hands.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 9, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

If hip hop HAD special teams, who would be on them?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 9, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Go-Go...

I went to one Saturday night featuring the What? Band, which is basically a renovated NEG. It must have been a reunion because they played all the stuff from back in the day and curent hits.

It was good, if you were a NEG fan. I wasn't, I just went with one.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 9, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Classic Rapper:

TuPac
Scarface
Spice One
Eazy E
MC Eiht
Fiend
Mac
The Whole Wu-Tang Clan
Kane & Able
UGK
Devin the Dude
Bone Thugs
Nas
CNN
AZ

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 9, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Real Hip Hop Roll Call:

Run DMC
LL Cool J
BDP/KRS ONE
Public Enemy
Beastie Boys
EPMD
Biz Markie
Heavy D
Queen Latifah
Salt and Peppa
De La Soul
A Tribe Called Quest
Black Sheep
Monie Love
3rd Bass
KMD
Nas
Keith Murray
Wu-Tang
Leaders of the New School
Busta Rhymes
Ice Cube post NWA
The Roots
Digital Underground
Pac
Biggie
OutKast
Pete Rock and CL SMooth
GangStarr
The Pharcyde
Ludacris
Eminem
Slum Village
D12
BlackStar aka Mos Def and Talib Kweli
Common Sense aka Common
PUTS
Jeru tha Demaja
Jurrassic 5
MF Doom aka MadVillain aka Victor Vaughn
Little Brother aka Phonte and Big Pooh and 9th Wonder
Kanye West

I'm done.

Posted by: Predator48 | February 9, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Boot Camp Click needs to get repped around here...
Black Moon
Buck Shot Shorty
DJ Evil Dee
Heltah skeltah
Smif 'n Wessun
OGC
et al.

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

I know this is a far stretch, and as of now there has been no talk of the Redskins signing any of these free agents (in fact many have already mentioned teams other than the skins). But in a % order of how likely it would happen would it be to obtain : Albert Haynesworth, Ray Lewis, or Anquan Boldin. Again I realize none of these would probably happen, although would make a HUGE impact. I guess im just looking at a wish list of free agents and wondering what if!

Posted by: erleach | February 9, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Eric B/Rakim

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Rest In Peace, Mel Kaufman.

You where a great Redskin, thank you for the found memories.

Posted by: dashriprock | February 9, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

The Roots - You got me live w Jill Scott is AWESOME.

Jurassic 5 - A day at the races. Mindblowing.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 9, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

"Rest In Peace, Mel Kaufman.

You where a great Redskin, thank you for the found memories."

Posted by: dashriprock | February 9, 2009 7:16 PM

Where you see this news? I see nothing about this anywhere....

Posted by: leevi98 | February 9, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Where you see this news? I see nothing about this anywhere....


Posted by: leevi98 | February 9, 2009 7:33 PM

It's in the Redskins blog

Posted by: TWISI | February 9, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

How come The Insider ain't all over this. I mean what else does he have to cover?

Posted by: Predator48 | February 9, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

What redskins blog? And That is not fact...i want to see news reports etc etc

Links?

Posted by: leevi98 | February 9, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Live in Florida...

selling my season tickets for the up coming season...All games but dallas (the one i go up for) Need by the end of the month for invoice payment...

Section 112 Row 15 seast 21 & 22

Posted by: leevi98 | February 9, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Ok see the news...

Posted by: leevi98 | February 9, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

"I'm not dissing go-go. Like I said, I appreciate that it is uniquely DC...I just never got that into it..."

Posted by: p1funk | February 9, 2009 4:43 PM


Go-Go had it's shot to take over the scene, but it got ruined when times changed and it didn't.

The joints do hit every once in a while when a good dj drops them in at the right spot at the club in a smooth mix.

But Go-Go is a DC thing, unique only to DC and te surrounding areas.

Booty music--South Florida's gift to the music world, on the other hand--survives because, well, of just what it makes the booty do.

"...just shake whatcha momma gave ya'..."

(INSERT image of scrippa pretty females tossing that thang back and forth in a poorly lit club.)

See what I mean?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 9, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Roto toms are ruining go go. That bounce beat has got to go.

Posted by: mack1 | February 9, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Mel Kaufman passed at age 50. Damn.

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0209/593260.html

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 9, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Roto toms are ruining go go. That bounce beat has got to go.

Posted by: mack1 | February 9, 2009 8:27 PM

COMPLETELY AGREE. Or more so the lack of roto toms creativity. That and straight dudes wearing skinny jeans that sag...........

Nate - Did you get my reply to your tax question??

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 9, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Yessir, 4th, thanks very much for the help.

Anybody up here need tax information, 4th Floor should be your go-to guy.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 9, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

RIP Mel Kaufman...Where you at Jason LaCanfora? You should be on this...

SICWIDIT'S ALL TIME HIP HOP PLAYLIST...(IF I HAD AN I POD THAT HELD ONLY 10 SONGS)

No order...

1) "Rebel Without a Pause"- Public Enemy
2) "The Show"- Dougie Fresh and the Get Fresh Crew
3) "Get Money"- Notorius B.I.G. w/Lil' Kim
4) "Deep Cover"- Dr. Dre feat. Snoop Dogg
5) "Electric Relaxation" - A Tribe Called Quest
6) "Eric B. Is President"- Eric B. and Rakim
7) "The New Style"- Beastie Boys
8) "Gangsta Gangsta"- N.W.A.
9) "Please Listen to My Demo"- EPMD
10) "F--k Dem Other N----s"- C-Murda

SICWIDIT'S FAVORITES ONLY TRUE HIP HOP FANS WOULD KNOW

1) "Saturday Night"- Camp Lo
2) "Girls I Got Em' Locked"- SuperLover Cee and Casonova Rudd
3)"Lyrics to Go"- A Tribe Called Quest
4) "Ego Trippin"- Ultramagnetic MC's
5) "Triumph"- Wu Tang Clan
6) "8 Ball Remix"- Eazy E
7) "10 Crack Commandments"- Biggie
8) "SupaStar"- Group Home
9) "Peter Piper" -Run DMC
10) "Microphone Fiend"- Rakim.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 9, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Sad news about Mel Kaufman. Thanks to those it posted it on.

Saw bits of the Pro Bowl - all of the 2nd half. Kerry Collins looks out of place with all that talent. Jay Cutler looked like Jay Schoeder - strong arm but his 'touch' passes weren't even within five yards of the intended receiver. Larry Fitz is a man amongst boys even at the pro-bowl.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 9, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

pred48, must've seen Do the right thing recently...

rip, and shoutouts to Mel Kaufman. I didn't know who he was until reading the link. you'd think at 50 he had more than a few good years ahead of him.

RE: "That and straight dudes wearing skinny jeans that sag..........."

I always think when did that become cool.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

I always think when did that become cool.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 9, 2009 11:07 PM

Never. Only amongst teens. I hope this to be the quickest fad ever.

I must admit, I'll give it to JZ for saying (and I say it everytime I see a youngin wear them, which is like every time I go out):

'Can't wear Skinny Jeans cuz my knot don't fit.'

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 9, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

As you might guess, I got nothin' on the hip hop discussion.

Though I did learn recently -- and with not a little heartbreak -- that the reason I see so many curly-W Nats hats out here in Portland is because some of the local gangs have adopted that... of course the hat comes in red and blue so color-coding is a factor. Gives you an idea how in touch I am with the youts. Not that anyone would mistake a dork like me for a gang-banger...

But Red, DUDE, how freakin' young are you?? Never heard of Mel Kaufman? I forget sometimes this is an all-ages joint.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 9, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

I remembered him, but vaguely. I remember him more being on the staff post carrer.....

Last time the skins won the SB, I was 11. I'm pushing 30.

Wow.. No way I can hop off the bandwagon now.

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 10, 2009 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Mel Kaufman was the man. Part of the best/most solid LB I ever saw the team field: Milot/Olkewitz/Kaufman with Monte Colman as the roving weapon.

RIP Mel. Very sad.....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 10, 2009 1:33 AM | Report abuse

Sad news about Mel Kaufman. RIP

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 10, 2009 1:58 AM | Report abuse

RIP #55...can't 3rd Bass get a little love in here?

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 10, 2009 7:05 AM | Report abuse

periculum: Taylor stops the run. Wilson, Buzbee and Jackson do not. That is why they don't play. If his name comes up Blache isn't going to be thinking at all about whether the guy rushes the passer."

Hmmm... we must be watching different Jsson Taylors. The one I'm looking at is too skinny to do much against the run -- certainly not as much as Evans. He's a pass rusher, pure and simple. A very, very good one, with a knack for knocking down balls and interfering with the pass lanes.

Rob Jackson relies more on high-motor effort than on pure speed. Unlike Wilson, that is. He could eventually become a more versatile player -- not an every-down guy, but someone who can stay in the game for four or five plays and perform respectably. Like Evans, but better against the pass than the run. They could be a useful combo.

I thought signing Erasmus James was a reasonable gamble. A seventh was not too high a choice to give up; Horton aside, 7th rounders usually don't make it in the NFL (and we'll have to see how Horton does this coming season). If they'd gotten anything out of James, they'd have looked like geniuses. But the injury was worse than they thought.

The criticism of the Taylor trade seems to me to be mostly hindsight. I didn't hear much howling when it was made. They got caught short at the position and took a gamble. The gamble failed. It happens. If Taylor had been 80% of his former self, the Skins' pass rush would have improved markedly, and the trade would have looked much better.

They don't have much in the way of picks this year, but that may work in their favor -- they'll be less inclined to take chances, which is where mistakes are made. I still think they'll end up going for a pass rusher, either from end or linebacker. There's some good ones out there who should be around when they pick first.


Posted by: Samson151 | February 10, 2009 7:07 AM | Report abuse

RIP #55...can't 3rd Bass get a little love in here?

Posted by: Original_etrod

OE, I already repped them earlier last night. You get the gas face for not noticing...Hoooolololoololorrah!

Also I forgot to rep Dilated Peoples and Digable Planets to the list.

Posted by: Predator48 | February 10, 2009 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Hey Red, I'm not sure what you mean about the Do The Ring Thing reference, but I still rock the Fight The Power-Extended Mix on my Ipod so there you go.

Posted by: Predator48 | February 10, 2009 7:30 AM | Report abuse

RIP Mel Kaufman, I have memories of him lining up next to Neal Olkewicz and Rich Milot in '82. He was part of a solid and linebacking group, not great, but solid and very smart. I think Monte Coleman was on that team too.

Anyone got the cause of death?

And will somebody please wake Jasno up and tell him he's got a post to make.

Posted by: Predator48 | February 10, 2009 7:39 AM | Report abuse

Ricky Roge,

Love your list. That whole "Midnight Marauders" CD from Tribe is legendary...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 10, 2009 7:45 AM | Report abuse

My bad Predator. Just call me Elroy Cohen...btw, I've always wondered how you spell that.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 10, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

I may be showing my age here either by bringing these up or by being to senile to have noticed them above, but:

Grand Master Flash
Kurtis Blow
Whodini
Mellie Mel
Afrika Bambaataa
Sugar Hill Gang
UTFO
Stetsasonic
Rockmaster Scott & the Dynamic 3
MC Lyte
Kool Moe Dee
Shawn Brown (not really, but Rappin Duke is a classic)

Gotta rep the forefathers.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 10, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Giants cut 3 guys already - when are we gonna start?

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 10, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

The constant blogging about classic hip hop only confirms Moe's earlier post about getting a little tired of listening to the same music for over 20 years.

Not one listing of 'greatest' or 'classic' or 'the best list of.." included a track I hadn't heard already.

It used to be folks complained about 70S Funk tracks and over played Motown hits.

Hip hop is headed the same way--ain't that something?

I remember when hip hop was as new and fresh to the ear as good beer was to the tongue.

And I'm hypocriticallycomplaining about this while listening to 'Freddie Freeloader' from Mile Davis' Kind of Blue--a record that's what, 50 years old?


So I guess, being a hypocrite, Moe can't ask why Pete Rock is remembered for the legendary producer, track maker he was?


Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Hip hop lost me around 1995. Then again, music in general lost me there. Alternative became mainstream, thus no longer an alternative. Crappy pop albums and boy bands exploded and all my favorite grunge bands started selling out. Sigh.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 10, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

The hip hop discussion seems stale. Ideas for new topics.

1) What would happen if you stuck wilbon's head in a bowling ball polisher.
2) F Dallas, F Vinny, F Danny, F Larry Michael
3) UFO's
4) Who is the best radio station in DC?
5) Monty Python vs Kids in the Hall.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 10, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

oe, agreed, its been sports talk radio for me ever since right about that time.

I saw that the Giants dropped droughns, and sam madison, and the pukes dropped pac-man jones.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 10, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

The Lions dropped 6 not sure if any of them are worth anything. Remeber the Lions could make Tom Brady look bad.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 10, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

OE you're right on with that list. Stetsa will always have the distinction of being the first rap vinyl record I ever bought.

Also Prinse Paul was the producer behind De La, Tribe and the whole Native Tongues sound in the late 80's/ early 90's. He is a true pioneer.

Posted by: Predator48 | February 10, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

1) What would happen if you stuck wilbon's head in a bowling ball polisher.
===========================================
Shiny!

P.S. This post is reminding me of the days when I connected to the internet via a 28K modem.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 10, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

flound, who did the lions release...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 10, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

I have one CD with about 200 songs on it, all the songs I have really liked over the years. It can go from Dougie Fresh to the BeeGees in one song, it's like my own Jack radio station.

When I'm not listening to that it's Big 100.3 the best Classic Rock station around.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 10, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

ALLEN PARK, Mich. (AP) - The Detroit Lions have begun to purge players that were part of the NFL's first 0-16 team.

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View more photos >>High-priced cornerback Leigh Bodden was one of six players released by the Lions on Monday.

The other players being let go are, wide receiver Mike Furrey, guard Edwin Mulitalo, safety Dwight Smith, tight end Dan Campbell and offensive tackle Jon Dunn.

Acquiring Bodden was the Lions' biggest move last winter. They traded standout defensive tackle Shaun Rogers to the Cleveland Browns for Bodden and a third-round pick. Bodden had a lackluster season while Rogers earned his third trip to the Pro Bowl.

Bodden signed a $27 million, four-year contract extension with the Lions before the season. The deal won't kick in because Bodden won't be on the roster next month when he was due to collect a $8.6 million bonus. He intercepted one pass for the Lions last season after he had 11 interceptions in Cleveland the previous three years, including six in 2007.

Furrey had 98 receptions for 1,000-plus yards and six touchdowns in 2006 with the Lions after he started 11 games as a defensive back in 2005 with the St. Louis Rams.

Mulitalo started 11 games last season and 15 the year before in Detroit. He has started 128 games since making his NFL debut with the Baltimore Ravens in 1999.

Smith didn't have an interception in seven starts and three games as a backup last year, failing to provide the type of production former coach Rod Marinelli was hoping for from him and other players he reunited with from his years as a Tampa Bay assistant. Smith was a solid starter for Minnesota, New Orleans and the Buccaneers before signing last season with the Lions.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 10, 2009 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Request Line just came up on the ipod shuffle!

Ah, sweet serendipity.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 10, 2009 8:58 AM | Report abuse

The hip hop discussion seems stale. Ideas for new topics.

1) What would happen if you stuck wilbon's head in a bowling ball polisher.
2) F Dallas, F Vinny, F Danny, F Larry Michael
3) UFO's
4) Who is the best radio station in DC?
5) Monty Python vs Kids in the Hall.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 10, 2009 8:45 AM

1) Nothing would happen because it wouldn't fit.

2) Yes to all 4 and in that exact order

3) Are secret black project aircraft.

4) WHUR 96.3 - Grown Folks radio

5) Monty Python - you filthy english knnnnniggehts!

Posted by: Predator48 | February 10, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Sorry Greg,

Should have been posted like this.

ALLEN PARK, Mich. (AP) - The Detroit Lions have begun to purge players that were part of the NFL's first 0-16 team.

High-priced cornerback Leigh Bodden was one of six players released by the Lions on Monday.

The other players being let go are, wide receiver Mike Furrey, guard Edwin Mulitalo, safety Dwight Smith, tight end Dan Campbell and offensive tackle Jon Dunn.

Acquiring Bodden was the Lions' biggest move last winter. They traded standout defensive tackle Shaun Rogers to the Cleveland Browns for Bodden and a third-round pick. Bodden had a lackluster season while Rogers earned his third trip to the Pro Bowl.

Bodden signed a $27 million, four-year contract extension with the Lions before the season. The deal won't kick in because Bodden won't be on the roster next month when he was due to collect a $8.6 million bonus. He intercepted one pass for the Lions last season after he had 11 interceptions in Cleveland the previous three years, including six in 2007.

Furrey had 98 receptions for 1,000-plus yards and six touchdowns in 2006 with the Lions after he started 11 games as a defensive back in 2005 with the St. Louis Rams.

Mulitalo started 11 games last season and 15 the year before in Detroit. He has started 128 games since making his NFL debut with the Baltimore Ravens in 1999.

Smith didn't have an interception in seven starts and three games as a backup last year, failing to provide the type of production former coach Rod Marinelli was hoping for from him and other players he reunited with from his years as a Tampa Bay assistant. Smith was a solid starter for Minnesota, New Orleans and the Buccaneers before signing last season with the Lions.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 10, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

From PFT,

PFT HEROES 2008: THE DARRELL GREEN AWARD
Posted by Mike Florio on February 10, 2009, 8:32 a.m. EST
It was a spirited vote, a back-and-forth affair. As of 7:00 a.m. EST on Tuesday, one man led. Within an hour, the other guy had established a commanding and, ultimately, decisive lead.

More on that after we talk about the guy for whom the Darrell Green Award is named, borrowing (as usual) from what we wrote last year.

Darrell Green had uncanny longevity, playing a position premised on speed and quickness beyond his 40th birthday. In 2002, he appeared in every game, at the ripe old football age of 42.

He was part of two Super Bowl teams. A punt return for a touchdown in 1987 against the Bears, during which he injured a rib and finished the play holding his side, helping to propel the team to an unexpected NFL title.

Also, Green was one of the fastest players in the league for most if not all of his career. Last year, Green made it into the Hall of Fame on the first try.

We could go on and on. But do we need to? He was a once-in-a-century player, and we hope that every guy who receives the award named for Green will do justice to his NFL legacy.

For this year’s recipient, we were concerned that we might have to go against the will of PFT Planet. In the end, however, the voters got it right.

Without question, Nnamdi Asomugha of the Raiders is the best cornerback in the NFL.

If you want proof, just ask DeAngelo Hall, who found himself dealing with football-sized hail while playing across from a guy against whom no one throws.

Asomugha is a true shutdown corner, in that he shuts down half the field. Though his presence didn’t do much to help an otherwise overmatched Raiders team demonstrate success in the standings, he provides a solid foundation.

Assuming he returns. The Raiders likely will use the franchise tag on him again in 2009, paying him at least $11.71 million for one season. Under the current labor agreement, using the tag on Asomugha in 2010 would require the Raiders to pay him based on salaries of the five highest-paid players at any position.

If any player is worth it, it’s Asomugha.

Making him even more worthy, in our view, is the fact that he’s not seeking individual accolades or attention.

“Being recognized as the best corner in the game isn’t the biggest deal for me,” Asomugha told Jim Corbett of USA Today last year. “I’ll talk to Charles Woodson, and he’ll tell me, ‘Man, they need to start talking about you more.’

“For me, the main thing has been being able to put my team in position to win games.”

Whether that team is the Raiders or someone else, the 27-year-old Asomugha will likely be doing everything he can to help his team (whoever it may be) win games well into the next decade.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 10, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

I like for us to look at Mulitalo. Didn't he play for Baltimore when they won the Super Bowl.

Posted by: Predator48 | February 10, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Pred,

I agree, and yes he did

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 10, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Giants | A little more than $4 million saved with recent releases
More news on released players,

Mon, 09 Feb 2009 17:26:37 -0800

Mike Garafolo, of the Newark Star-Ledger, reports the New York Giants saved an estimated $4.25 million Monday, Feb. 9, with the release of RB Reuben Droughns, CB Sam Madison and S Sammy Knight. The Giants likely have slightly less than $15 million available under the salary cap.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 10, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Can we cut some people please?

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 10, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Ok Rypien11,
Step into my blog office and brig your blog playbook please.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 10, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Here you go Alex -

- Cut Springs, Taylor, Marcus, Griff, Thrash. Keep Rogers and Hall.

- Sign a RT, either Stacey Andrews if healthy, or Vernon Carey. Sign ONE of these 3 (DE Chris Canty, DE Antonio Smith, DT Jovan Haye). Sign ONE of these 3 WR (Devrey Henderson, Lance Moore, Nate Washington).

- Trade our #13 to either NYG, NE, or Miami for their two 2nds. Pick up Duke Robinson and best available center. Go after D-line with 3rd, 5th and 6th.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 10, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Really did you not get the line on turning in your play book.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 10, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

You don't think we should cut anybody?

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 10, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Question:

Is recently cut Sam Madison someone worthy of adding as an 'insurance policy' i.e, back up cornerback?

Yeah, sure.....

...and we endorse the notion of reaching out for any cut player who'll take a pay cut to play behind someone or challenge a starter.

The story is, though, that the skins FO is playing tight-fisted this offseason, so I doubt this will happen.

But still, err on the side of careful, thoughtful player acquisition. It's the big spending spree moves the team should give up. Many of the guys who are being cut are still capable players who've been released to loosen up money for another player, so why not pursue the best ones?

So bring in Madison and Mulitalo. A cornerback and a guard.

Moe doesn't mind picking over scraps: let's see if there are cut guys who can be added to the roster as a way of improving depth.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

When Mulitalo was a free agent 2 years ago before signing with Detroit, the Skins showed absolutely no interest. The missing owner of this blog wrote about it.

I wish we would make our cuts so there would be something going on and we could see how much money we have for free agency. At the same time I have a feeling they are gonna keep some guys around that have no business staying at their current numbers.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 10, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

flound thanks for posting, and yeah, I'd make a run at Mulitalo, just for depth, maybe Bodden as well.

No thanks to Knight, or Madison.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 10, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Moe - thats a good line of thinking for a team who is a playoff contender and needs depth in case of emergency.

For our team, which for all intents and purposes is rebuilding, I'd rather use that roster spot on young developing talent.

Our season is not going to be made/broken by Madison saving us in case of an injury.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 10, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

look who else likes hip-hop:

When [juaqin] Phoenix announced last fall that music was his new direction, many fans assumed he caught the country bug from playing Johnny Cash in 2005's "Walk the Line." Instead, he surprised people again by turning to hip-hop, a genre he says he's adored since his teens.
"I love the storytelling aspects of hip-hop, but I love the wordplay, as well," Phoenix said. "I just think the rhyming is fantastic, and I love, like, the raw emotion of it."

Posted by: dealer1 | February 10, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

At the same time I have a feeling they are gonna keep some guys around that have no business staying at their current numbers.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 10, 2009 10:11 AM


Its called saving face. I really think that if they don't release Jason Taylor, its because they don't want him running back to sign with Miami, and making the FO look utterly stupid, since the dolphins would still have our second round pick.

Posted by: Predator48 | February 10, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

dealer, I saw a review of one of Phoenix's "shows"

it apparently is GOD AWFUL

they said he tripped up on stage twice and you couldn't understand hardly anything he said and he just sucked completely


like when you think of bad, he's worse. People thought it was a big joke or like a Punk'd thing, but apparently he's dead serious about it.


like 'em as an actor though

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 10, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Beep beep and hello. I'm back today and wanted to give you a new post...and to also point out that Joe Gibbs will be on WashPost Live at 5 today.

Posted by: CindyBoren | February 10, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

so i think "the fugees radio" is the best radio station on pandora. biggie, lauren hill, wyclef, and that group with qtip...sorry having a senior moment in my 30's...

also big shout out to greg, even though you're dellusional about skins being better than the lions at this point, you did offer the best advice to me about my workout "go heavy or go home!"...

speaking of dropping names...played ball with LL the other day...our own LL and his cajun cousins. dude is CRAZY!!! i can't imagine 21 being like that on the court. but he is shorter than i expected. i think cuz in my head i was thinking of seantay...

Posted by: dealer1 | February 10, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

When [juaqin] Phoenix announced last fall that music was his new direction, many fans assumed he caught the country bug from playing Johnny Cash in 2005's "Walk the Line." Instead, he surprised people again by turning to hip-hop, a genre he says he's adored since his teens.
"I love the storytelling aspects of hip-hop, but I love the wordplay, as well," Phoenix said. "I just think the rhyming is fantastic, and I love, like, the raw emotion of it."

Posted by: dealer1 | February 10, 2009 10:21 AM

So whats his stage name going to be, MC Commodus?

Posted by: Predator48 | February 10, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

rypien11

I honestly believe the Redskins' FO doesn't think to rebuild.

I think they think, "Hey, if we add this guy, we're in the playoffs."

A rebuilding team doesn't burn picks for a future high-priced HOF like the skins did when they went out and chased J Taylor and came home with nothing to show for it.

A rebuilding team uses 3-4 of its draft picks on lineman--a scenario very much unlike what happened last year as the team drafted ball catchers in excess without a thought for blockers and run stuffers.

Yeah, you're right: depth related roster spots should be reserved for guys to be groomed for a later date.

But for the Wizards of Redskins Park, that later date is always titled WIN NOW NO MATTER THE PRICE.

And it's been a bad day for all of us.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 10, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Leigh Bodden?

He's from the DMV... of course it couldn't hurt any bringing him in, right?

Posted by: RedDMV | February 10, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

oh and beeps, peeps

Posted by: RedDMV | February 10, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I like for us to look at Mulitalo. Didn't he play for Baltimore when they won the Super Bowl.

Posted by: Predator48 | February 10, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Mulitalo will be 35 at beginning of next season. We need to get younger.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 10, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Excuse me, but are the last three posts essentially the same? My fourth grade teacher would have given this a big red R for REDUNDANT. Is the offseason news so slow that RI has to post the same thing over and over?

Posted by: RambleOn | February 10, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

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