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More Warren

Soem league sources maintain the Redskins could still end up landing him for a late-round pick in a trade.

The Redskins have maintained they are not the ones pushig for this Gerard Warren deal and don't have serious interest (of coiurse that's what they say about just about everything, so no surprise there).

Two sides to every story I suppose.

Either way, this guy could get dealt or released today and, particularly if he's cut, I still think he could land here.

By Jason La Canfora  |  August 15, 2007; 9:51 AM ET
 
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Posted by: Dik | August 15, 2007 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Do we realy need the guy? If we can get him once he is released, I guess depth is always a good thing. But C. Griffin and Golston should be able to get it done this year. And to the idiot who keeps posting 1st, please stop.

Posted by: Dolemite from Charlotte, NC | August 15, 2007 9:58 AM | Report abuse

More Warren? Where was the first reporting about Warren?

Posted by: Michael Anthony | August 15, 2007 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Unless he can magically cross the line of scrimmage and hold down the LG/LT/RT spots, I don't care.

Posted by: Todd | August 15, 2007 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Oh Snap

Posted by: First! | August 15, 2007 10:06 AM | Report abuse

ahhh, you're just jealous.

I'm worried about injury concerns w/ bringin' in older D-Linemen.. but then again, ours could go at any minute too..

Does anyone know if we really have room? I think I'd rather have a true LO-guard!

Posted by: Dik | August 15, 2007 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I would welcome Donnie Warren, but this other fellow... meh.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Scrap heap: fine pick'em up....

Trade: no way!!!!

Posted by: chris Larry | August 15, 2007 10:11 AM | Report abuse

"I think I'd rather have a true LO-guard!"

I agree. They should pluck one from the well known Left Guard tree. While they are at it, a pro-bowl 6'5" possession receiver with 4.3 speed and and a DE that will average 18 sacks a year would also be nice.

Sometimes you have to make due with what you have.

Posted by: Mike H. | August 15, 2007 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I'm with Chris-Larry, no way in a trade. They're going to cut him anyway, so why bother making the trade. Keep our picks, and sign him for a one year deal with incentives. Make him earn his money.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | August 15, 2007 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Unless he can magically cross the line of scrimmage and hold down the LG/LT/RT spots, I don't care.

Either that, or do the Nightcrawler thing and phase himself past an offensive line to tackle the ball carrier for a loss....

It'd be nice if the Brawnks would kindly let Warren drop off their roster for use to possibly scoop up if the terms are right. But that's not likely - they probably know that Vinny Cur-ratto's is most likely going to be lurking around like an overweight great white shark next to a sinking cruise ship, looking for an angle to make an unnecessary deal.

Posted by: FlimFlam | August 15, 2007 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Can he catch punts?

Posted by: SMACK | August 15, 2007 10:26 AM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=2974480

ASHBURN, Va. -- When LaRon Landry was 5 years old, he used a fake ID to play football with an older team. With that kind of fast-track mentality, it's no surprise he has accomplished what Sean Taylor and Carlos Rogers couldn't -- worked his way into the starting lineup during his rookie training camp with the Washington Redskins......................................

Posted by: 4th | August 15, 2007 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I see by the # of posts you guys are holding it down around here, huh?

Posted by: 4th | August 15, 2007 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Mikey - if Samuels stays healthy (let's all bow our heads) then who needs another L-O-G. I can make due w/ him all day.

Posted by: Dik | August 15, 2007 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers didn't make the starting lineup during his rookie campaign because he couldn't catch a football or figure out the double move. Oh wait, nothing has changed but he was considered our #1 CB last year when Springs went down...

Posted by: CC | August 15, 2007 10:35 AM | Report abuse

is todd wade hurt and out for a period of time??? If so we had better play campbell during warm-ups only.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | August 15, 2007 10:37 AM | Report abuse

"Broncos will trade or release Warren today?
The Broncos will trade away, or release, Gerard Warren by today. The Broncos have asked Warren to be patient as trade talks with a couple of teams, including the Washington Redskins, continued into Tuesday night. He was left home while the Broncos traveled to Texas to practice against the Dallas Cowboys. -- Denver Post

"

Posted by: 4th | August 15, 2007 10:38 AM | Report abuse

So the Broncos are trying to fanagle a 3rd rounder out of us AGAIN

Posted by: 4th | August 15, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Welcome Back 4th! You have been in our thoughts and prayers.

Posted by: Forrest | August 15, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Inigo, Wade was dinged up but swore to play this Saturday. I think it's the injury as much as the not-goodness which has the coaches taking it easy on him this week.

But whatever the case, it was reported elsewhere that our boy 'Poochie' Pucillo has donned the sunglasses, pinned back his pink ears and taken the first string snaps at LG this week. Interesting to see how they split time on Saturday.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 10:44 AM | Report abuse

4th, we missed you and hope you and the family are doing well.

Are you back at work on the fourth floor? How goes the search?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like the Broncos are trying to feign the Skins' interest to bump the price up. Last year, when the Duckett fiasco was unfolding, the Skins admitted to considering the deal.

With Samuels and now Wade nursing minor, yet potentially nagging, injuries, they should be - and probably are - looking at potential trades/waived vets to fill a back-up O-line spot.

Posted by: CMoney | August 15, 2007 10:46 AM | Report abuse

thanks nate... I havent caught up on all the news from yesterday yet, damn work.

4th, welcome back and I hope you are well.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | August 15, 2007 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I agree with earlier posts, don't' trade for him, wait until he's cut and sign him to an incentive laden cap friendly deal. Reports out here are he does well when trying to earn the payday, - after he's got the payday? - not so much. He does sound like the type of DT the skins could use however, in that he's more of a one-gap penetrating tackle instead of a two-gap stuff the run type.

Posted by: skinswest | August 15, 2007 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Welcome back 4th. You and your family remain in my thoughts and prayers.

Zebra, if you're around. I left something for you on the Observations thread. Your friend's view is SJK'd up.

Posted by: LH | August 15, 2007 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Best NFL Hair

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/photos/best-nfl-hair/351050/

Did you honestly think that Cooley would NOT make the list? Something tells me Captain Chaos & the punter from Minnesota would get along like Peas & Carrots. Jeff Reed is clearly the winner here.

Posted by: JonTPK126 | August 15, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

JonTPK, wow, all I can say is wow, that is a lot of bad hair. Zak Keasey started in Skins TC as an undrafted FA (last season? the one before?). I remember he went to Harvard or Brown or something like that ... which is to say his wig makes him look like a trustafarian (or like Gary Oldman in True Romance). Robert Gallery just looks filthy.

On that LaRon Landry as a kid story, I don't get the part about how he found an "extra ID lying around." Did his dad have one of those fake ID machines or something? Did he show up for some Pop Warner league (ages 6-8) as a 23 year old man?

Posted by: dcsween | August 15, 2007 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Welcome back, 4th.

It would be classic Cerrato to send draft picks to the Broncos for a player we don't need that they're about to cut.

I almost hope it happens just so we can watch Ricky Bobby blow his top.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | August 15, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

If I were Coach Joe, I'd bring Adam Timmerman in for a workout. Experienced vet. And he knows Al's offense from his days with the Rams.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=889

Posted by: CMoney | August 15, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Thanks guys!

While I was gone they took my computer. So I had nothing to do. There are 6 people left in the whole company. They wanted to bring a couple of us back to do the clean up work, so I volunteered.

Thanks everyone for their thoughts and prayers! My faily aprpecittes it very much.

Thanks for everyone who tried or did reached out to me during this time too......

Posted by: 4th | August 15, 2007 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Apropo of nothing, how 'bout them Nats? Does it seem to the rest of you that that is an organization that is getting right all the things the current Redskins organization gets wrong? They got the best baseball guy they could to run things, they fired lots of over priced has beens, and are now building a franchise - not a one off contender, but a franchise. And it seems to be working. They are the kind of humble,hardworking smart players and coaches that we used to see in the Burgundy and Gold.
I grew up here, and as such have never been a baseball fan, since we didn't have a team. But after all of the futility of the last ten plus years of Redskin-orama-drama, I could definately see my alliegences changeing. Think about it - the tickets are much cheaper, the stadium is more convienient, longer season, less onerous owner. I can't believe I am saying this in public, but I have the feeling I am not the only person who feels this way around here. Maybe if the waiting list for tickets went away, TV ratings went down, the owner would sell the team, and we could have hope again.
Ok, switching to de-caff.

Posted by: Dusty | August 15, 2007 11:12 AM | Report abuse

welcome back 4th!

-dealer

Posted by: littery genius | August 15, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

"Broncos looking to trade DT Gerard Warren
/ Associated Press

The Denver Broncos expect to part ways soon with defensive tackle Gerard Warren, either by trading or releasing the seven-year veteran.
Warren didn't make the trip to San Francisco on Monday night for the Broncos' 17-13 preseason victory over the 49ers. After the game, coach Mike Shanahan indicated Warren probably is on his way out of Denver.

"I'm not going to get into detail, but we thought we had a trade, and I'll talk about it a little more on Wednesday," Shanahan said. "Until things are finalized, I kept him home because I thought we had a trade."

"

I wonder who the trading partner might have been?

Posted by: 4th | August 15, 2007 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Did Gibbs 2.4 promise to keep the rest of Next year's picks or did he promise to try?

Posted by: 4th | August 15, 2007 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Very telling comment from one Shawn Springs in that other paper.If this doesn't tell you what he's about,I don't know what does."I don't care if I'm not starting. Are you telling me I can make [$7.35] million and play 20 plays a game? Wouldn't you do that?"

Posted by: dawglbs | August 15, 2007 11:21 AM | Report abuse

so what i miss yesterday? diddy, lh, greg hatin on wilbon? how did the race issue come about anyway?

but as far as the term black thanksgiving goes that's nothing compared to what CNNSI.com dude did after the allstar break. that was just nasty and deragotary towards black people. and he got away with it cuz he was black and no one could say anything to him.

Posted by: littery | August 15, 2007 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Obviously the Redskins are going to be brought up in "league circles" whenever the Broncos are peddling a trade....especially for this one, which is a DL and everybody thinks we need help there.

And if the 'Skins have "lukewarm" scouting reports and don't like his effort, then why exactly would they want him anyway????

He doesn't seem like the high motor/high character guy they go for on the DL...

Posted by: Cliff Huxtable | August 15, 2007 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Top 2008 Free Agent OL
By: Greg Davis
QB | RB | WR | OL | DL | LB | DB | ST

Ruben Brown, UFA, Chicago Bears
An aging veteran, Brown has a lot of experience opening holes for backs and allowing time for passers. He's a solid guard who holds down his position quite well. If he decides to stick around, he may have a couple of good seasons left. Teams won't line up to sign him, but there should be a handful that show interest.

Alan Faneca, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
Faneca seems to be the most likely of this group to leave his current team. Rumors suggest that he plans on leaving after the season and has not discussed an extension with the Steelers. Faneca is a quality guard who has started in five Pro Bowls and been selected as a first team All-Pro five times as well. He also still has some prime seasons of his career remaining. Faneca will receive the most interest at his position, could be the most coveted offensive linemen after the season, and should also be one of the most coveted players available in all of the NFL.

Ryan Lilja, UFA, Indianapolis Colts
A quality guard, Lilja is relatively young and has a Super Bowl ring to call his own. The Colts will do well to sign him to an extension, but there's a chance that Lilja tests the market. In reality, the system that Lilja plays within is a nice fit, and he could easily stay because of it.

Max Starks, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
Starks is young and massive, and another Pittsburgh player that may leave the Steel City. He's 25 and is listed at 6'7" while weighing 337 pounds. His size and age will make him a desired player on many team's list. A top tier tackle will always garner interest and Starks may lead the free agent class at the spot because of the high level of play he has shown on the field.

Floyd Womack, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
A big, experienced guard, Womack could get a decent offer from any team missing out on a top tier target like Faneca. If Womack isn't the outright starter in Seattle this season, look for him to find work elsewhere with an expanded role guaranteed.

Other Free Agent Offensive Linemen
OG P.J. Alexander UFA Atlanta Falcons
OG Rick DeMulling UFA Indianapolis Colts
OT Nat Dorsey UFA Cleveland Browns
OT Trai Essex RFA Pittsburgh Steelers
OG Chris Kemoeatu RFA Pittsburgh Steelers
OT Cory Lekkerkerker RFA San Diego Chargers
OT Sean Locklear UFA Seattle Seahawks
OG Brian Rimpf RFA Baltimore Ravens
OT Jake Scott UFA Indianapolis Colts
OT Todd Steussie UFA St. Louis Rams
OG Keydrick Vincent UFA Baltimore Ravens
OG Fred Weary UFA Houston Texans
OT Travelle Wharton UFA Carolina Panthers

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Top 2008 Free Agent DL
By: Greg Davis
QB | RB | WR | OL | DL | LB | DB | ST

Jared Allen, UFA, Kansas City Chiefs
Allen's sack total dropped in '06, but he still posted 7.5 and raised his tackle total a good deal. He'll be back in Kansas City for the upcoming season, but there's a good chance that he'll try the market out come next offseason. He's just 25 years of age, and has shown that he is among the league's best at his position. He'll be a high priority for several teams once the signing period opens.

Simeon Rice, UFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
His age isn't appealing and he was hampered by injuries last season, but Rice is still known as a defensive force. His sack total of two in eight games was his lowest total of his career, and just the third time he had less than a double digit total in the category. Prior to 2006 he had missed two games in ten seasons, and has been a leader on the line for some time. With Tampa Bay releasing him, he's already a free agent. His shoulder will need to heal some before he can pass a physical.

Justin Smith, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Smith is an intriguing player. He's consistent, experienced, and has a powerful motor. With 81 total tackles and 7.5 sacks in '06, Smith showed that he was a high level end, and that he was coming into his own as a defensive leader on the Bengals. He won't command elite dollars, but he would be valuable to several teams and may find a suitor willing to open the checkbook wide.

Terrell Suggs, UFA, Baltimore Ravens
Suggs is somewhat versatile and has become a volatile opposing presence for offenses. He has the ability to play at the linebacker spot and also attack from the line at the end spot. He has grown into a top pass rusher and presents match-up problems for most teams. He's been near or above double digit sack totals in each of his four seasons with eight being his low. He is a true talent and will attract some large offers from various teams, but Baltimore will do everything they can to sign him to an extension, especially considering that he doesn't turn 25 until October.

Other Free Agent Defensive Linemen
Jordan Carstens UFA Carolina Panthers
Ebenezer Ekuban UFA Denver Broncos
Tommy Kelly UFA Oakland Raiders
Sam Rayburn UFA San Francisco 49ers
Mike Rucker UFA Carolina Panthers
Paul Spicer UFA Jacksonville Jaguars
Randy Starks UFA Tennessee Titans
Renaldo Wynn UFA Washington Redskins

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2007 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Yes. We really need the guy. We need him for depth. If we have to pay him a lot of money, we don't need him.

Posted by: RANDO | August 15, 2007 11:30 AM | Report abuse

This comment isn't Warren-related but something has been eating at me for a while. I understand that Jon Jansen is the consummate Redskin and all but why is no one saying anything about his performance? It's like the "Emperor's New Clothes" and I'm the little kid yelling "He's Naked !" Jon Jansen was below average all last year. Injuries are no excuse. If you're out there, you can play. He was burned repeatedly yet NO ONE called him out. It happened again in this first preseason game and I see no end in sight. His Mo Elewonibi impression has gotten old. Since it's clear that Wade can't play guard, can we explore moving him to right tackle ? The best guy should play...period. Also, I kept hearing all year after we lost Dockery that guard was the easiest position to replace on the field. Wade is listed at 6.8, 318. Too small for guard . Lets find a guy at Giant or Safeway who weighs 350, plug him in there and keep rolling. Experimenting as we're into the preseason is not good. We should not have questions about our starting line so late into this preseason.

Posted by: mark | August 15, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

4th - Welcome back, dude. Still praying and thinking the best for you and your family.

Cliff - I sometimes get the feeling that Gibbs sees the Redskins organization as something that can remake those with 'questionable' personality traits. Sort of like a character halfway house - taking otherwise gifted persons, and trying to bring them up and out of
whatever particular rut they might be in.

For all of the talk about bringing in quality character people, it's the only way I can explain why they would bring Brandon Lloyd into the team. Lloyd has the possibility of being a decent player, but personality issues just got into the way. Yet, here we are, stuck with him.

Perhaps it's a little bit of Gibbs' religious devoutness coming through with how he runs the team.

Posted by: FlimFlam | August 15, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

LH, I responded on the other thread. Hopefully that clears it up a bit.

Posted by: Zebra | August 15, 2007 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I agree no trade...but d-line depth is huge. We've got it everywhere else (sorta) on D, except the line.

way to bring it 4th! good to read ya.

Posted by: Pub Golf | August 15, 2007 11:39 AM | Report abuse

"Do we realy need the guy?"

Nope.

Sad thing is everyone around the league knows the Redskins like to throw away draft picks, so they might as well give it a shot to talk them into taking thier garbage.

If I was a GM I'd do the same thing.

"Jon Jansen was below average all last year."

Yup, and if I remember correctly there were other coaches around the league that said as much. The thing is you have to realize that Joe Bugel thinks he can turn a turd into a diamond. That may have been the case 27 years ago but definately not today.

This team is very poorly managed and it shows. They are going to REALLY miss Dockery on that line this year.

5-11 record at best.

Thanks Jason. :)

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | August 15, 2007 11:39 AM | Report abuse

lg, Jason Whitlock wasn't hating on black people he was hating on SJKs. Like Chris Rock said: "There's like a civil war goin' on with black people and there's two sides. There's black people, and there's [sjks]. The [sjks] have got to go...I love black people, but I hate [sjks], boy. Oh, I hate [sjks]."

Posted by: LH | August 15, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Z, I read it. It still sounds like the same argument people try to use to twist the issue.

Posted by: LH | August 15, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

lh, i saw that piece painted with a broader brush stroke than you did. i compare jason whitlock to THAT woman who was allegedly raped when she was 9 and blames everything bad happened to her in her life on Islam. and all the meanwhile making some nice change. and is now hating on Islam. and spends six months out of a year on wapo.com's front page. and is catering to all the people who're ignorant about Islam in the first place.

Posted by: lg | August 15, 2007 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Ray, I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees this. I wish coaches and GM's would
understand that a good O line covers up a lot of deficiencies. We'd be ok with Jason C learning on the job and average receivers if the line was solid. What I thought was a strength going into the offseason has turned out to be the thing that'll kill us this year. On the positive side, out linebackers appear to be beasts. I think that they may cover for the average defensive line.

Posted by: mark | August 15, 2007 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I'd trade a 7th rounder for him....He's a pretty good player who would add depth....Does he have the ability to move to defensive end at all?

Plus its not like a 7th rounder amounts to much on this team.....Its key to keep picks in rounds 1-5 for this team...A 7th is the equivalent of an UDFA....

Posted by: Oz | August 15, 2007 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Welcome back, 4th! It's good to see you, in the cybersense.

Posted by: Cindy | August 15, 2007 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Oz,

Why would you trade anything for a player whom you know is about to be released. It's like Chewbacca living on Endor...It doesn't make sense.

Posted by: etrod | August 15, 2007 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Mark, I'm with you about Jansen. He's still a strong run blocker but he doesn't have it in pass protection. His downward spiral was one of the reasons I advocated the Redskins taking a flier on Gaither. Of course, now he's starting down in Baltimore--fun times being a Skins fan.

Posted by: AZ Skins Fan | August 15, 2007 12:07 PM | Report abuse

We had this discussion about Jansen back when he got the extension. I said then that he was being paid too much considering the remaining shelf life.

Posted by: LH | August 15, 2007 12:13 PM | Report abuse

" ... It's like Chewbacca living on Endor...It doesn't make sense."

Posted by: etrod | August 15, 2007 12:03 PM

If Chewbacca was in the NFL, he'd be busted for steroids. He is really just a juiced up Ewok.

Also, I have no regrets about passing on student-athlete Gaither and it is absurd to throw in the towel on Jansen. Yes, he whiffed on Vanden Bosch a couple/few times, but as recently as last year, he shut down Peppers. Its like chewing off your arm just to sneak out and avoid waking up an "accidental date" after a night of binge drinking. The problem right now is NOT Jansen, who knows himself and his body and will get where he needs to be by Sept. 6. The problem is not knowing whether Wade can get there (at LG) by then.

Posted by: dcsween | August 15, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

>>> "It's like Chewbacca living on Endor"

Oh, I am SOOOO using that phrase from now on...

Posted by: P Diddy | August 15, 2007 12:19 PM | Report abuse

"It's like Chewbacca living on Endor"

Wasnt that part of the "chewbacca defense" used by the Johnny Cochran-like lawyer in South Park. Good stuff.

Posted by: cdubb | August 15, 2007 12:23 PM | Report abuse

so where do we go from here? can we put wade at tackle for the next few games and hope somebody else can play guard? why waste time ? the guy clearly has a tackle's body (tall, long arms, only 318). guards are usually heavier and a little shorter.

Posted by: mark | August 15, 2007 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I was a little apprehensive about the possibility of acquiring a runt from the Browns. I remember when there was talk of Warren joining the Skins 2 years ago. I think he chose to go with Denver for reasons not clear to me. For a while everyone thought he could resuscitate his career under GW, because of the style of defense the Skins play. And everyone thought the fact that LaVar being here was going to convince him somehow to sign here (they're first cousins I think).

Here's an excerpt from an AP article on Warren's impending departure from the Broncos:

"But Warren apparently doesn't fit new defensive coach Jim Bates' scheme, which requires tackles who can hold their positions instead of penetrating the backfield. Warren seemed open to the transition earlier in camp, speaking optimistically about the new defense."

I don't know. This sounds a lot like a guy whose natural instinct is to penetrate the backfield, our style of defense (last year being a gross abberation). He has been known to be a perennial underachiever, but you never know what a change of scenery and sound coaching can do. He is relatively young with not a lot of mileage.

I say add him for depth. It'll push young guys like Montgomery to step up their game. You never know, he might turn out to be another Daryl Gardner. It's about time we got the better end of the stick in a Denver transaction.

What do you all think?

Posted by: Skinz Rule | August 15, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

mark, I don't think the Skins have heavier and short on the roster ... which is why I was puzzled about why they whacked Whitticker (though admittedly injured). I think the fix would be to slip Pucillo in for Thomas so that Pucillo gets his game on, so that they can make the "hard call" on who is going to be starting btwn Rabach and Samuels later with lots of game film. [Then, if Wade doesn't keep the spot, the Jansen discussion would begin again in earnest.]

Posted by: dcsween | August 15, 2007 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Skinz Rule, interesting point, but starting in his 7th season is only "relatively young" in the context of the Skins. If he came in, seems like he'd be needing to compete with the older guys like Big Joe or Renaldo.

Posted by: dcsween | August 15, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Skinz;

That was Courtney Brown we tried to acquire. But he is still a 1st round bust as were all of the browns picks

Posted by: Zebra | August 15, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Welcome back 4th. All the best.

Posted by: Ash in London | August 15, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

On heavier and shorter guards, Wade is only a couple of pounds lighter than Thomas (but three inches taller). The guys on the roster with the closest height/weight to Thomas are Taylor Whitney and Kili Lefotu.

Posted by: dcsween | August 15, 2007 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Here's a story on my favorite rant, concussions. I see nothing in this story regarding enforcement of the concussion rule. In this case, the commissioner's office needs the kind of power over coaches that the office has over mis-behaving players: suspension. We don't need anyone in this league whose cavalier attitude endangers palyers through ab- or mis-use. IMHO, concussions are a more serious and prevalent problem in the NFL than drugs or off-field behavior. NEW YORK -- The NFL's new guidelines on concussion management include a telephone hotline that will make it easier to report to the league when a player with a head injury is being forced to practice or play against medical advice.
The league's new concussion guidelines, many of which stemmed from a conference in June involving team trainers and doctors, were formalized Tuesday and will be sent to all players and other team personnel.

They include whistleblower provisions for individuals to report concussions with the telephone hotline and a booklet that will allow players and their families to identify symptoms.

"We want to make sure all NFL players, coaches and staff members are fully informed and take advantage of the most up-to-date information and resources as we continue to study the long-term impact of concussions," commissioner Roger Goodell said in a statement issued by the league.

"Because of the unique and complex nature of the brain, our goal is to continue to have concussions managed conservatively by outstanding medical personnel in a way that clearly emphasizes player safety over competitive concerns."

Concussions have become an increasingly high priority for Goodell and team officials in the past year. Last spring, the commissioner announced that all players would be given baseline tests during their training camp physicals that can be used to diagnose when they have concussions.

Former New England linebacker Ted Johnson told The New York Times in February he was showing signs of early Alzheimer's disease.

The concussion issue is also part of the continued dispute between some retired players on one side and the league and the NFL Players Association on the other over disability benefits to retirees.

In addition, the league and the NFL Players Association have created a plan that contributes as much as $88,000 per year to former players suffering from dementia and Alzheimer's. So far, doctors have not been able to link the effect of concussions to those players.

League spokesman Greg Aiello said Tuesday that the mailings are an effort to make everyone involved with the NFL aware of how to identify concussions. They also spell out the guidelines agreed upon by doctors and trainers on when a player with a concussion should be allowed to return to the field.

The guidelines include prohibiting any player who has lost conciseness from returning to a game or practice. It outlines the symptoms, which include confusion; problems with immediate recall; disorientation and blurred vision and says that a player should have no concussion symptoms and normal neurological test results before returning to play.

Posted by: Neil in Durango | August 15, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

nfl.com completely changed their front page. its pretty cool and more accessible (but less article-y).

Posted by: dcsween | August 15, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Welcome back 4th! Great to see you up in here BYGO.

I've no problem pursuing Warren but only AFTER he's released. If he were that good a trade probably would have happened.

Let's not pull a Brunell on this one.

Posted by: sfskin | August 15, 2007 12:41 PM | Report abuse

You guys are giving the coaching staff too much credit. They won't admit they've made a dumb move until we have lost 5 or 6 games, the season is on the brink of being lost and we lead the league in sacks given up. Haven't ya'll been paying attention the last few years, Gibbs was always stubborn but he used to be right most of the time. Now he is just as stubborn and now he is wrong most of the time. #8, "they're super smart", "I wouldn't want to go through this with anyone else but the guys in that locker room", Ducket, Arch, Barrow, Lloyd (still), and now the contract extension on Jansen when its obvious he is declining and the Wade move. Instead of trading for Warren (because we need DE's not DT's) we should be doing whatever it takes to trade for Kendall or Faneca and move Wade back out to RT as a backup who would play real quick if Jansen continues sucking. We will go absolutely nowhere if we can't keep JC upright and healthy, JC's got the talent it would be horrible to see him get shell-shocked like Ramsey.

Posted by: Jack | August 15, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

"Skinz;

That was Courtney Brown we tried to acquire. But he is still a 1st round bust as were all of the browns picks

Posted by: Zebra | August 15, 2007 12:38 PM"

Ma bad!!Got a little confused 'cause the browns were having a fire sale that day.

Posted by: Skinz Rule | August 15, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

"That was Courtney Brown we tried to acquire. But he is still a 1st round bust as were all of the browns picks." Zebra

Courtney Brown was in the same class at PSU as LA. Too bad that they both suffered career debilitating injuries. What are the odds on that?

Posted by: Neil in Durango | August 15, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

The way retired players are treated drives me batty! How can a multibillion per year league not have the gold standard in pensions and benefits for these guys?

It's analogous to how we've been treating our injured vets and is pretty disgraceful. At the very least retired players of a certain age should have the equivalent benefits of a retired member of Congress. Especially the guys who played in the trenches before million dollar pay days.

Ah the soap box view - how I've missed ya.

Posted by: sfskin | August 15, 2007 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Too bad that they both suffered career debilitating injuries. What are the odds on that?
Posted by: Neil in Durango | August 15, 2007 12:44 PM

The odds are greatly improved when they are drafted by Clevleand and Washington.

Food for thought: Griffin was considered a career underachiever when the Skins picked him up.

Welcome back 4th.

Posted by: etrod | August 15, 2007 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Ash and SFSkin.

Nfl.com must have hire the same people as msn.foxsports.com/nfl they look very simailar...

It appears the Broncos are trying to pit the Redskins against the Colts. They both are hungry for depth and I would say Indy is more than us.

I suspect they think they can get atleast a 5th rounder out of one of us before he gets released. And this time, I am for sure we will not act. Don't let me down.......

Posted by: 4th | August 15, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I watched Real Sports last night. First of all Bryant Gumbel is such a sanctimonious SJK and he's getting worse with age.
He interviewed Pacman and it was almost as classic as when Bobby Brown joined the Whitney Diane Sawyer interview.

Pacman insists he is innocent of all things except that he did punch a guy at WVA and smoked ganja but the last time was 3 years ago. He is quite sure he is the unluckiest man in the world and the police and witnesses in Georgia and Nevada are all lying liars who lie.

Posted by: sfskin | August 15, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

They could plug Hitchinson in at LG, but until the line had worked as a unit for a half-season or so, we wouldn't know how he'd work out. Not making excuses for WADE, but it's the truth, and always has been. Great lines aren't great until they've worked together.

So, Samuels going down is the worst thing that could happen, in a sense, because the line won't be able to start that process until the regular season. The first six-eight games will have very iffy OL play. Write it down and thank me later.

Um, WADE is prolly too tall and stringy for OLG--not to mention he's never played guard. Perhaps what the Geniuses of Redskin park should have done is move the laterally deficiant but beloved Jon Jansen to OLG and plug Wade in at ORT.

Jansen can still pull and power bloock and would be protected in pass blocking at OLG. At ORT, he can be beaten by a quick DE without a TE to protect his flank.

Next year, hey how about picking OLinemen with the top picks. Quickest way to get healthy fast, Redskins.

Posted by: CORKCZAR | August 15, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Dang it, of COURSE I meant to type Hutchinson.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 15, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Then there was a piece on dog fighting. Jeesh what a brutal brutal brutal pastime. (is that one word?)

I held my four legged friend a bit closer especially when they interviewed the guy whose dog was stolen to be a sparring partner. He got her back but her hip had been shattered.

I will say this though. The ex-dog fighter who they intereviewed did say it isn't any more violent than football. He does have a point. Yes dogs aren't choosing to fight but look at how we're frothing at the mouth up here yelling at guys who are injured to man up and go back and get the SJK beaten out of them and to do it in turn.
Yes they get paid very very very well and it's their job but it's still brutally violent. . . .that being said I still want to kick a$$!

Look ma I can stand on the soap box and talk out of both sides of my mouth!

Posted by: sfskin | August 15, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

dcsween,
the News & Observer (raleigh's newspaper) did an article on LaRon today, claiming that the Landry bros' dad was the pee-wee coach and that an older kid on the team quit soon after being issued an ID. He didn't turn in the ID and simply left it on the practice field/bench, which of course LaRon found and his dad complied...

Posted by: Uncle Heyron | August 15, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Well Neil;

If Joe PA is feeding Steroids to his players, then it is very possible. Im not sayin, Im just sayin!

Posted by: Zebra | August 15, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, only playing devil's advocate, but I think the argument would be that -- if you pay a guy a gajillion bucks -- maybe he could self-insure/save for his retirement himself. That argument isn't there for veterans, who earn jack[SJK].

Posted by: dcsween | August 15, 2007 12:58 PM | Report abuse

dcsween, I'm thinking that 6'8 318 is a lot different from 6'5 320 leverage-wise. I could be wrong but seems to me that we're trying to fit the square peg (Wade) into a round hole( guard). 6'8 318 could be considered wiry in the NFL. Seems like just about anyone would be able to get up under him no matter how much he tries to bend and get low. Haynesworth is listed at 6'6 320 and he had a field day. I disagree about jansen not being the problem. I'd agree that he's not the MAIN problem but he's one of our franchise tackles and I expect only all-pros to get by him. I was one of the guys who thought he was top 5 at his position a few years ago, so I'm not just a hater.

Posted by: mark | August 15, 2007 12:58 PM | Report abuse

sfskin;

I heard that he said at first "I never punched anyone", then we asked about using a pool stick he said " no I just used my fist" hmmm

Posted by: Zebra | August 15, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Good to have you back 4th.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_6624946
I thought this article was interesting since it showed all the D-lineman Denver has in camp. Guys who might get cut in addition to Warren? Lang - skins could use depth at DE, Veal (DT), Ekuban? Engleburger?

Posted by: skinswest | August 15, 2007 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Guys who might get cut in addition to Warren? Lang - skins could use depth at DE, Veal (DT), Ekuban? Engleburger?

That should take care of our whole draft next season.

Posted by: etrod | August 15, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Jansen is a great team guy that shouldn't have gotten the money he just got and should be moved to LG. But I'm not sure how much of an improvement 6'6" 297 lbs. is over 6'8" 318 lbs., I'm sorry, we need a legit guard on our roster, leverage and ability to hold of 330 lbs. DT isn't about gelling and playing together, picking up the blitz making your reads and knowing what your other guys are going to do is, but getting run over repeatedly has nothing to do with Samuels being hurt and suggesting that it is and that plugging Hutchinson in wouldn't make a difference, is asinine and an extremely dumb comment.

Posted by: Jack | August 15, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

is asinine and an extremely dumb comment.

Posted by: Jack | August 15, 2007 01:05 PM

Jack - don't forget to apologize to your kids.

: )

Posted by: sfskin | August 15, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

sween - agree with your devil's advocate stance to a point. Guys like BBM are probably going to be just fine.

But the guys that built this league whom no one really remembers those guys deserve all the benefits available. The NFLPA should be out front demanding this and I'm pretty sure the vast majority of fans would agree.

Posted by: sfskin | August 15, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Etrod & Skinswest!

As for the Wade experiment - We all knew this wasn't going to be a great experiment. We just need to brace ourselves a little better. Maybe Buges should have Wade live with him to get some extra practice time in? That would be funny.....

Why should we trade for Warren when we can wait for Lang?

Posted by: 4th | August 15, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

"getting run over repeatedly has nothing to do with Samuels being hurt"

ROFLOL. My thoughts, exactly. still funny as he||.

Posted by: mark | August 15, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Asinine isn't a bad word its actually a really fun word, cause your saying a nice vocab word but it sounds like your cussing. lol, but it was a SJK stupid comment!

Posted by: Lol | August 15, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Asinine isn't a bad word its actually a really fun word, cause your saying a nice vocab word but it sounds like your cussing. lol, but it was a SJK stupid comment!

Posted by: Jack | August 15, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

i'm assuming warren's a guard...GET HIM! and while you're at it call tre johnson.

Posted by: lg | August 15, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

If Joe PA is feeding Steroids to his players, then it is very possible. Im not sayin, Im just sayin!

Posted by: Zebra | August 15, 2007 12:57 PM

And I'm not saying, either, just saying. And that goes to my point re brain injury: While teams want players who're smarter than the average bear, they look for and hire guys whose behavior suggests that brick walls are buitl to be run through. Being the competitors that the players are and given the thin hold any of them have on their jobs, it is foolish for us to suggest that they should make their own decisions and look out for their own butts. That's not how they got here. They got here because thay have little respect for pain or for indicators of injury. Look at how the coaches and trainers admonished Samuels to make sure that he doesn't suffer a set-back by trying to return too soon. I know it ain't the American way, but these guys do need keepers. They need someone whose primary responsibility is to look out for the players' welfare, and that should be the commish.

Posted by: Neil | August 15, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Why should we trade for Warren when we can wait for Lang?

Posted by: 4th | August 15, 2007 01:12 PM

Why not Trade for both...Chewbacca does live on Endor, you know.

Posted by: Vinny C. | August 15, 2007 1:14 PM | Report abuse

"Jack - don't forget to apologize to your kids.

: )"

LMGO.

Kenard Lang?!?! That guy is still playing?!? Please, for goodness sake, there is no need for him to be on the Skins again, I don't care how much depth we need. Why not call up Mark Carrier to back up the Reaper?

Posted by: TDawg | August 15, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

SFskin,

I am usually on solid philosophical agreement with most of your soap boxes....but the dog fighting/football analogy is pretty off base..

but whateves! carry on...

Posted by: chris Larry | August 15, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

We don't need help at DT, we need help at DE so Warren is pointless, and Lang? really? that doesn't make much sense to me....I think we're just gonna have to wait till next year on the Dline, its too late to do an impact move since we apparently don't want Simeon Rice. (WHWHWHWHHWHWHHWWYYYYYYY?) But we have got to make a move to get a guard, if Moss, McGahee, can T. Jones all move for less than a 3rd there has got to be a starting quality guard available beyond just Faneca or Kendall for a 3rd, if we gave up a third for a Duckett I'd love to give up one for stable OLine and a chance at a decent season. Cause we're SJKed if Wade is our starting LG against Miami.

Posted by: Jack | August 15, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

As a pass rushing DE specialist picked up off waivers Kenard Lang could be useful.........

Posted by: chris Larry | August 15, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

4th- Great to see you up here again. I've been thinking of you and your family.

Posted by: 4-12 | August 15, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

littery, Warren is actually a defensive tackle, not a guard. so are you back on this coast now? any interest in explaining the blogname shifting? did you have an epiphany (and have you seen homer's ephiphanies in the simpsons movie).

Posted by: dcsween | August 15, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Someone should send the concussion memo to Lorenzo Alexander.

I think my ipod man is sporting leg warmers and a Members Only jacket today. Nothing but 80's baby!

Posted by: etrod | August 15, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

boner

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

My 2 cents on Jansen...

You can't tell me he's not a quality Offensive Tackle. I don't recall him being a weak spot on the line last year and I certainly don't recall any talk about it. This OL had one of the lowest sack totals in the league last year. Yes, maybe Jansen is more suited to the run than pass protection, but isn't that what we are planning to do anyway with JC still on the steep end of the learning curve. Run, Run, and then Pass...

Give the guy a break already... He's been a solid force on our team for years... So, now he has less than satisfactory FIRST PRESEASON GAME and you guys are jumping down his thoats about how he's old and washed up and Todd Wade is better... Tell me how the in the hell Wade is better? The one game against NO Saints and he's all of a sudden a Stud.

GIVE IT A REST! Like most of us we're very passionate Skins fans, but don't be stupid about this... You blast the FO for their crazy moves and ideas or how the Danny is killing this franchise and then practically advocate the same sort of stuff... Can't you have a little confidence and restraint. It was one half of the frist preseason game. The O Line has been getting jumbled around all TC due to injuries... Randy had his knee scoped, Samuels sprained his knee, Wade is new to the LG... Did you ever think that they need a little time to get on the same page...

Nothing personal, but some of you are just killing me with this crap...

Posted by: E in VB | August 15, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Anyone here ever a fan of the HBO show Oz? I was/am and I'm watching it now as my exercise accompaniement.

It holds up and remains a great show, I know I may blaspheme here but it is far better than the Sopranos and ranks up there with The Wire.

I know I'm not being strictly football. Sorry. The o-line discussion is way above my pay grade on the wonky scale so I can't add anything to it.

Posted by: sfskin | August 15, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Cause we're SJKed if Wade is our starting LG against Miami.

Posted by: Jack | August 15, 2007 01:20 PM


Shouldn't it be SMKed?

Posted by: etrod | August 15, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

(Sorry My Kids)

Posted by: etrod | August 15, 2007 1:27 PM | Report abuse

5 posts at 1:23pm. Somewhere in cyberspace, Nate and MV Dame are rejoicing.

Posted by: 4-12 | August 15, 2007 1:29 PM | Report abuse

?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Assuming Duputy Fife isn't out enforcing the law

Posted by: Dub | August 15, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

" ... Nothing personal, but some of you are just killing me with this crap..."

Posted by: E in VB | August 15, 2007 01:23 PM

E in VB, obviously I'm with you on Jansen, but in proper RI blog terminology, I think what you meant to say was "... some of you are just killing my guts out ...."

Posted by: dcsween | August 15, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

OZ ruled.......not on the level of Sopranos...but it was a different beast.....I loved it!

Posted by: chris Larry | August 15, 2007 1:34 PM | Report abuse

or "super killing me with this crap"

Posted by: etrod | August 15, 2007 1:34 PM | Report abuse

chris Larry - I don't mean to open this can of worms again but my overall point which was poorly illustrated in my post was that people are so horrified over the brutality of dog fighting (IMHO rightly so).
Meanwhile though they love football, they only watch hockey cause of the fights, UFC is the biggest ratings show on cable, they play video games where they blow the SJK out of people etc. etc. so it's just a bit weird to be so horrified by the brutality of one thing and fairly blase about brutality in all these other areas. And absolutley I grant you there are ginormous differences.
I guess to sum it up. Would people who play Grand Theft Auto and think it is the greatest game ever, would they play a video dog fighting game?

Posted by: sfskin | August 15, 2007 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I think what you meant to say was "... some of you are just killing my guts out ...."

Posted by: dcsween | August 15, 2007 01:32 PM

Yes... I like that... KMGO!

Or JG might say that I've got a bit of a Gut...

"Uh yah, uh he's got a gut so we held him out of practice today"

Posted by: E in VB | August 15, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

From Sargent Oddball, the Donald Sutherland character in Kelly's Heroes: "Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?". We need some positive energy on the blog.

Welcome back, 4th.

Posted by: Mark (in 21132) | August 15, 2007 1:40 PM | Report abuse

sfskin,

I think the dog-fighting thing is such a big deal because it takes people out of their comfort zones. We have been exposed to so much human to human violence throughout our lives that that kind of stuff no longer bothers us. It should, IMHO, but it doesn't. But in this desensitzed world, kids and pets are still off limits. Hopefully it will stay that way.

Posted by: etrod | August 15, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

It seems like HBO is moving away from the grittier shows like OZ, Deadwood, Rome even Six Feet Under.

Not clear why. They were gritty, gave a lot of people a blood and guts fix but were amazingly well written and intelligent as well.

Posted by: sfskin | August 15, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

You open up many cans of worms that I think are tough fits as a general arguement really SF. But I am beginning to really loathe these psuedo socio-political discussions on RI and don't want to further them, especially since seems to me you and I agree on way more than we disagree...

Posted by: chris Larry | August 15, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Hear hear etrod.

Posted by: sfskin | August 15, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

E in VB, PREACH it!!

Ask Julius Peppers how washed up Jansen is......

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | August 15, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

E, I'm not killing Jansen yet, I'm just saying his extension was premature and expensive for a guy who has been declining ever since his injury....and it was talked about (ESPN ran a big article taken from the NY Times where Parcels and "several other personnel people" said that Jansen wasn't the same guy he was before his injury) and has been published in several places recently how Jansen needed help last year. He still flashed good things last year but he isn't anywhere near as solid as he used to be and what I said was he might have been a better fit to move inside than Wade. I'm not saying Wade is a better tackle but I think Jansen would be the better guard, you'll notice I also said if we made a move to get a legit guard that Wade would go back to RT as A BACKUP and would play if Jansen continued to struggle. Don't live in the past on guys, names don't win games!

Posted by: Jack | August 15, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I do believe that was Peppers's first game back from injury. In any event, I hope Jansen is successful. That's better for the team. At the same time, I don't think it's wrong to recognize that his play is trending downward.

Posted by: LH | August 15, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Point taken cL. I'll move back to football. I'm trying to get in one last day of blog bliss before heading back to work tomorrow.

And like I said I can't really say anything about the o-line that hasn't been said at least 1000 times. So maybe I'll just lurk for a while. . . or not. . .

Posted by: sfskin | August 15, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

sfskin...

The difference in moral outrage has to do with free will, justice, and fairness. Pit bulls do not have a choice whether or not to dogfight. That's why there is such moral outrage.

Adult men can chose whether or not to play football, box, play a video game, or step in the octagon. Not a moral problem.

Pretty simple, IMHO.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 15, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

When Sean Taylor swims, he doesn't get wet...the water gets Sean Taylored.

Posted by: etrod | August 15, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I vividly recall getting chastized while saying it was the O-Line, not the D-Line, that had me worried going into next season. I'll gladly accept any apologies now :)

Granted, my logic wasn't based on Fabini being a weinie and Jansen "Peyton-Manning-throw-dancing" on his backsteps. It was based on this mere fact: we ain't got no HOGS. I'm talking big, fat, won't-move-for-nothin' SJKs (think another three letter acronym). Why else was Mark Rypien so great? No one got to him. We need to draft a quality O-lineman in the first round of the draft, I think, and try to grab a gem in round 3 or 4.

Posted by: TDawg | August 15, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

"E in VB, PREACH it!!
Ask Julius Peppers how washed up Jansen is...
Posted by: Greg(Boston) | August 15, 2007 01:44 PM"

Pssshhhh. Julius Peppers would tell you that just about any Guard in this league is washed up... He's a SJK'n BEAST...

Jack - never read or heard of that article so I guess I'll take your word. I'm sure anyone would lose ability after they rip their achillies. I just don't like to see everbody roll over so quickly and start throwing him under the bus after one preseason game...

All I know is I'm keeping the faith.

Posted by: E in VB | August 15, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

etrod...are those Chuck Norris facts translated into "Sean Taylor"?

e.g.,

Guns don't kill people. Chuck Norris kills people.

Chuck Norris does not get frost bite. Chuck Norris bites frost.

etc. etc.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 15, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Although... Julius would probably tell you any Tackle....blah blah blah

Posted by: E in VB | August 15, 2007 1:59 PM | Report abuse

TDawg, right you are, I piled on you and I apologize, while I'm still very worried about the Dline being able to stop the run (and TN doesn't have a legit RB on their roster, but I hear Pitt knows how to run the ball) I'm now much more worried about our Oline. In my guest blog I said how a good GM would never have let a good young guard who started every game from day one and never missed a down sniff free agency everyone bashed me saying Dockery wasn't that big a loss and everything was fine cause Wade was just as good. I'll accept those apologies now as well, Dock may not have been worth the contract he got but he never should have gotten to that point, that's why I'm praying they lock up Cooley before FA this year. I agree, it's time to draft DLine and Oline in the first 4 rounds this year, and sign a possesion WR in FA.

Posted by: Jack | August 15, 2007 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Scarface's video is on the frontpage of NFL.com btw.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 15, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

SC..we try to be original up here but it all kind of blends together. I'm just trying to get dcsween started.

Posted by: etrod | August 15, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I agree with E of VB as well. Shut-up already about all the negativity. Trade for this guy, offense sucks, defense sucks, Joe Gibbs sucks, The Receiver........... ENOUGH!

I for one am excited about the season that has not even started yet! The skins didn't go HOG wild in the off season and waste our draft picks so be happy for a change.

That's all I have to say about that.

Posted by: Forrest | August 15, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

That's all I have to say about that.

Posted by: Forrest | August 15, 2007 02:02 PM

Funny.

Posted by: etrod | August 15, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Nah, it's great stuff, etrod. I couldn't agree more. The Reaper is my favorite player. Hope he has a pro-bowl year.

Good times.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 15, 2007 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Wow, its been one SJKING PRE-SEASON GAME.

All you arm-chair GM's need to relax....WTF

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | August 15, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

face it, this team stinks, little to no chance they get more than 6 or 7 wins. what is one reason to think they will be better? it will be this way until there is a whole new coaching staff...for whatever reason the current staff just doesn't have "it".

Posted by: Sir | August 15, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

When Sean Taylor swims, he doesn't get wet...the water gets Sean Taylored.

Posted by: etrod | August 15, 2007 01:50 PM


SERIOUSLY?, are you serious?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Greg and Forrest, enjoy living in delusional land and keep believing, cause its so obvious based on the last 15 years that you guys are probably right. Btw, how much fun would this blog be if everyone just said "The Skins are winning the Super Bowl!!!!! yeah!!!!!" and everyone who didn't agree "just shut-up", there wouldn't be a lot to talk about. If you disagree, state your opinion and make a case, don't just sit there and say the Skins are the best and everybody shut up, that's gay.

Posted by: Jack | August 15, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I am searching for a video clip of Frost laying the wood in the Tennessee preseason game. If anyone finds a clip of it, would you kindly send along the link? Thanks in advance.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 15, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

did you guys hear the one about the guy who stole an ATV and pulled a gun, he got Sean Taylored!

Posted by: Jack | August 15, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

"face it, this team stinks, little to no chance they get more than 6 or 7 wins. what is one reason to think they will be better? it will be this way until there is a whole new coaching staff...for whatever reason the current staff just doesn't have "it".

Posted by: Sir | August 15, 2007 02:08 PM"

LMGO... Yah that's our problem lets scarp this whole Coaching Staff and start all over again! SJK! We might as well do that every year!

Sir - You sound like a 'Yes Sir' for Danny and Vinny! Or maybe you just play racquetball with them...?

Posted by: E in VB | August 15, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

SERIOUSLY?, are you serious?

Posted by: | August 15, 2007 02:12 PM

I'm having an off day.

At least I'm not Redundantly saying the same thing two times in different ways.

Posted by: etrod | August 15, 2007 2:21 PM | Report abuse

JAck;

Flag on the play, dont you have to be gay to know what IS gay?

im just saying

Posted by: Zebra | August 15, 2007 2:21 PM | Report abuse

A somewhat humorous "flog" (fake blog) written by our back-up QB:

http://wheelhouse.blogspot.com/2007/08/incomplete-passes-lead-to-complete.html

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 15, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

"I am searching for a video clip of Frost laying the wood in the Tennessee preseason game. If anyone finds a clip of it, would you kindly send along the link? Thanks in advance.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 15, 2007 02:17 PM "

That hit was BAD a$$ (SJK)! At first I thought it was HB Blades that laid the wood to him, but it was Derrick Frost... I hope to see him in on the action so more this season. Helps having a Punter who not only knows how but likes to hit! Apparently, he was a Linebacker in the High School Days!

Posted by: E in VB | August 15, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse

From Lloyd's Journal:

what I remind the younger players to do

I shudder at the thought that B-Lloyd has ANY influence on younger players.

I still have a tough time separating myself from the need to be out on the game field.

Umm....earth to B-Lloyd....earth to B-Lloyd...you DO need to be out on the game field. Your position on this team is anything but guaranteed at this point.

Posted by: CMoney | August 15, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Jack,

You don't know Jack! Debate is good this time of year, fire and brim stone is not. Why not accentuate more of the positives. If you truly are a parent you would know that negative comments lead to negative results.

That's all I have to say about that.

Posted by: Forrest | August 15, 2007 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Forrest;

Im waiting for a stupid is as a stupid does as well.. Pacman Jones, come on down

Posted by: Zebra | August 15, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Jack, it has been ONE-PRE-SEASON-GAME. It was their first game, first REAL game, since last year ended. I expected a little rust, and a lack of cohesiveness. They have new players playing in new positions, if would be foolish to expect them to operate flawlessly. I'm not saying their going to go 16-0.

Also, stop asking for people to apologize for having a different opinion than you. Guess what, YOU WERE NOT CORRECT.

It is P-R-E S-E-A-S-O-N. The "REAL" season hasn't started yet.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | August 15, 2007 2:31 PM | Report abuse

etrod....you are forgiven.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

E, if your saying that Snyder is the problem I couldn't agree more. As long as he is "a part of the process" there isn't a ton of hope for our beloved skins. He doesn't know football and we're bearing the brunt of that now because essentially our roster is a mish-mash of Marty-ball, Spurrier, and Gibbs' philosophies and the lost draft picks leveraged to make trades for aging expensive veterans by all of those guys to recover and "win now" for the Danny or else get fired. Look at the actual draft picks we've made, Campbell, Cooley, Taylor, Rogers, Betts, Cartwright, Rocky Mac, Golston, Smoot and Monte. Those are a lot of hits, and are solid and some spectacular contributors, not to mention the guys who should still be here Pierce, Dockery, Bailey, and LaVar was very mistreated by the Danny. Imagine if you added the 7 to 10 1st through 4th rounders pissed away over the last 6 years, we'd be pretty good, and GM's don't do that, but Snyder does and that's why we've had the least number of draft picks in the league, even less than Houston who didn't exist the whole time!!!! And that's why we are teetering on the edge of a rebuilding year. I've got no problem sending a late round pick to fill a need but a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd ought to be precious territory.

Posted by: Jack | August 15, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Cmoney;

I took it as he needs (as in really really wants) to be on the field and when he is not he has to separate himself from that need and be a team player. You know, in the guise of positive thinking

Posted by: Zebra | August 15, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Forrest,

My interpretation of Jack's comment is that, as true RI junkies, we shouldn't just sit around and blow sunshine up each other's SJKs.

Although I did think the "that's gay" comment by our resident moral compass was.... um, ironical.

Posted by: SCSKinsFan | August 15, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

just stop it you silly gooses

Posted by: gaywad | August 15, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

I was wrong that the Skins need a GM? I asked for one apology and apologized to TDawg for piling on him about the Dline. But really? you think the skins don't need a GM?

And Forrest....lol....you think me complaining on a blog is going to produce negative results? From who? The players? The front office? First off, if my "fire and brim stone" has any effect on the season than the franchise is worse off than I thought. and I'm sorry, your not gonna get me to close my eyes and shut off my brain and say the Redskins are going to be good....cause they're not...at the absolute best they could sneak into a wild card birth in a weak NFC if 97 things turn out well and nobody gets hurt and that's pitiful!

Posted by: Jack | August 15, 2007 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Jack, I disagree with your comments, "Pierce, Dockery, Bailey, and LaVar was very mistreated by the Danny".

Pierce wasn't mistreated, and people need to stop thinking this. He is an INFERIOR player to Marcus Washington. He wanted MORE MONEY than Marcus. This would not have been a prudent move. He ended up leave over somewhere around 500 thousand, and bad-mouths us every chance he gets.

Dockery, wasn't getting that money here. Yeah, we should have signed him earlier, but we didn't, and for the Bills to pay him more money than guys like Steve Hutchinson, or Alan Faneca, is something we USED TO DO. This was PRUDENT on our part, not getting into that bidding.

Champ, was going to hold us hostage. He was not going to sign here. PERIOD. While I wish we didn't throw in that 2nd round pick in addition, whats done is done.

Lets let the past stay in the past.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | August 15, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Jack,

Charlie Beathard and other talented GMs wouldn't touch this place with a 10' pole. Until the Boot Licker is fired, any decent GM worth his salt will avoid this organization.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 15, 2007 2:43 PM | Report abuse

SCSKinsFan, your right, the gay comment was a little homophobic, I just hate when kool-aid drinkers come in here and tell realistic fans to shut up. it SJKing pisses me off, are you so blind that you've missed the futility of this franchise for 15 years to be remotely relevant and the utter failure of it since Snyder got here? the truth off the matter is we haven't been on the Detroit, Cleveland, Houston level except for one 6 game stretch where our defense played out of their minds and Portis put the team on his back. That season we were 5 - 6 and found lightning in a bottle, you get rid of that stretch and this team has been hoooooooorrrrrrible since the 10 - 6 year Snyder bought the team and signed Jeff George, Deon Sanders, and Bruce Smith. It's been all down hill since then.

Posted by: Jack | August 15, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Jack, I never mentioned that you were wrong about the Skins and a GM. I never even addressed that

Lets see how the O-line performs in MORE THAN ONE GAME, before we declare you were all knowing.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | August 15, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

say, what kind of jobs do you geeks have?

get to work!

Posted by: daveb55 | August 15, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

D Line help? I'm a Hall of Famer!!! The Danny will love having me back! I won't even cost any draft picks - they can use those on some high priced receivers that might serve as insurance in case Bubba Tyer goes down...

Posted by: B Smith | August 15, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I meant we have been on the Detroit level....

And Pierce doesn't play SLB, he plays MLB and we wouldn't have had to sign an older Fletcher to take his place if we never let him go, and I only meant LaVar got mistreated, not the rest of them. Bailey is the only one that I'm ok with going cause he wanted out....and I don't blame him, but letting Smoot, Pierce, and Dockery go were pitiful. And I already said, Dockery wasn't worth what he got but how bright do you have to be to extend a guy like that before FA, not very.

Posted by: Jack | August 15, 2007 2:51 PM | Report abuse

dcsween, regarding my "name". let's just say i had an abe pollin moment.

re: the offensive line. it'll be the least of the problems on the O. this "timing" shti scares the crap out of me!

Posted by: littery | August 15, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Greg you said that I needed to stop asking for apologies and the only one I asked for was saying we needed a good gm who would have extended Dockery and everyone piled on me. Then you said I was wrong, what was I wrong about?

Posted by: Jack | August 15, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Jack, I don't recall anyone telling you to shut up but it has crossed my mind lately. I was simply asking that you try to focus on something positive. Don't give up on the season before it starts.

Here is a little test for you Jack. For the rest of the day say something negative to everyone you come in contact with and come up here tomorrow and tell us it had no effect. IDIOT!

Posted by: Forrest | August 15, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

i'm still on the left. be home for the game.

gerrard warren as a DT. GET HIM! double G and st. joe are pretty good at dealing with laziness issues. *giving a nasty look to weird Al* meanwhile some coddle frauds like lloyd.

Posted by: littery | August 15, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Is this the five minute argument or the full half hour?

Posted by: Redcoat | August 15, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Why bother playing the season??

If following the team makes you that miserable, why bother?

There are 31 other teams, have at it..

Posted by: Greg(Boston | August 15, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Ouch!

Posted by: dead horse | August 15, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Shut up dead horse, and take your beating like a.... ...horse.

Posted by: Vinny | August 15, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry, this is the abuse room. Arguements are down the hall.

Posted by: etrod | August 15, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Deadhorse.

Time to move on....

Thanks 4-12 and whoever else I missed...

Posted by: 4th | August 15, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

This is a blog Forrest not real life, if we can't complain here where can we? and I for one think its idiotic to say just say good things when all the evidence points against it.

Posted by: Jack | August 15, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Jack, how about letting the offensive line play more than ONE HALF of a pre-season game, before you declare it a total loss. That is what you are wrong about. How about giving them a chance?

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | August 15, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I know one thing... The Danny has sucked alot of life out of this franchise and its fans... He Blows His Guts Out! All he's done right since buying the team is make a metric dickload of $$$ and somehow talk Gibbs in to coming out of retirement and trying to Resurrect this once proud franchise... Unfortunately, the Danny f'd this whole thing up so bad that it is taking Gibbs years to try and straighten SJK out... Although, Gibbs seemingly had his hand in the cookie jar with Danny and Vinny to blow away all our draft picks and throw money around irresponsibly... Hopefully, he's learned from that... BOTTOMLINE: Danny needs to grow up and realize he knows squat about football, kick Vinny's sorry a$$ to the curb and let a real GM run the show and manage the football operations.

Posted by: E in VB | August 15, 2007 3:02 PM | Report abuse

What? not real life? you people don't really exist?

Positive evidence: Redskins 14, Titan 6

Posted by: Forrest | August 15, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Fine, have it ya'lls way......

Yeah the Skins have no holes, no problems we're the best...............I can't wait to see that 4th Lombardi trophy........yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, JC is already better than Manning, and our lines are the best in the league and who needs depth? nobody gets hurt in the NFL and GM's aren't needed either advertising guys with lots of money are the best guides for a franchise and I see years of excellence going forward for this franchise.

By Forrest's logic we'll win now right? I was positive so good things are going to happen now, cause if I was negative we'd lose. No everyone in delusional land can be happy and not worry about anything.

Posted by: Jack | August 15, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm Jack Tamland. People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I enjoy ice cream and a nice pair of slacks. Years later, a doctor will tell me I have an I.Q. of 48 and that I am considered mentally retarded.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Deep breaths people, damn. It is not groundbreaking news that we need a GM. We all know it and have for years. But as was pointed out above no worthwhile GM is coming here with Vinny and Snyder both involved in the decision process.

The OL is gonna take time to gel. I have my concerns but we are only replacing 1 guy from last year on a line that played very well for the most part. 19 sacks on the season or whatever. We are not going to know anything until Samuels is back and we play a real game. Then we can all come back if things are f'd up and bi*ch and moan and belittle each other on 9/10.

HAIL.

Posted by: cdubb | August 15, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato \Say-rah-toe\
Ce"rra*toed\, a. [L. Cerratus, fr.
Cerra a mistake; perhaps akin to Cecare waste of space, E. a sniveling person. ]
1. Poor judgment, no opinions.
2. (Zoo.) Beset with teeth pointing forwards or upwards; as,
snaggle-toothed b*st*rd.

Doubly Cerrato, crawling lower than a snake's belly.

Example: I hate that Michael Strahan, he's a total Cerrato.

Posted by: Dr Johnson | August 15, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

"With wrestling restricted, Titans CB branches out
Posted: Wednesday August 15, 2007 2:04PM; Updated: Wednesday August 15, 2007 2:04PM
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) -- Suspended Titans cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones can't play in the NFL this season, so he keeps looking for new ways to stay busy. First there was wrestling, now it's hip-hop.

His National Street League Records, based in Atlanta, announced Wednesday that Jones will team with producer Spoaty in a duo called "Posterboyz" with their first single "Let it Shine" being released Aug. 27. The song talks about stones, big money and cars.

An album is due to be released in 2008......"

Posted by: 4th | August 15, 2007 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Jack, ALL the evidence doesn't point to failure. Sure there are problems - I don't think any team except Indy is saying there aren't. And everyone swore up & down that their D wouldn't hold last year too. Guess what. They were wrong.

I saw (heard... radio only here in tha 305) some good things on Saturday. And the coaching controversy is gone now. Do you hear the same kinda stuff coming outta the locker room this year as last?! Nnope.

Just a year ago this SJKing team (by your standard) was in the playoffs! 2 games deep.

How about some balance, people?

Posted by: Dik | August 15, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

If you can't say somethin' nice, don;t say nuthin' at all.

Posted by: Thumper | August 15, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Jack, Forrest, Greg (Boston) et al, I think it's wonderful that you're sharing your thoughts and opinions with such care, consideration, and sensitivity for the contrary points of view.

Posted by: Pollyanna | August 15, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Jack, you appear to have lost all credibility, if you ever had any, since the homophobic comment at 2:15.

You posture here awhile back, about using negative or foul language, for fear that your children may actually read it, and become offended.

Yet, you show your true colors, by using offensive language, while making an uninformed and negative post.

You're a hyprocrite as well as a d bag.

Posted by: k Squared | August 15, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Work is light today, so I have some time to add to the mix. I am optimistic by nature, which drives my wife batty sometimes because she is a "what if" person. I have no skill in analyzing the abilities of a football player, other than knowing some are better than others, some a lot better. My hope for the skins every year is that they play decent football on offense and defense, that they have a winning record, and that they make the playoffs. If they do that, then I am satisfied.

The way the NFL is structured today, I think it is difficult to be a perennial winner unless you have the great quarterback (props to Old School). I believe we have a decent coaching staff, which has not been the case for most of the fifty years I have been following the skins. This group has a proven track record, although the recent past has not been good.

As far as the owner goes, he started out very badly. However, if he learns from his mistakes, he should improve. There are signs that he is learning, but if he doesn't, the future is not bright. Jack Kent Cooke was a great owner, but remember, he did hire Norv Turner. For the most part, picking players and coaches is a crap shoot.


The skins are the only team that can still thrill me and break my heart.

That's my two cents for today.

Posted by: Mark (in 21132) | August 15, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Jack's so fired up he's apologizing to his kids in third person.

Who the SJK is Charlie Beathard, and for whom is he a talented GM?

Posted by: LH | August 15, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I believe he's some sort of chimera GM like Bobby Casserly, LH.

Posted by: Redcoat | August 15, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Saying something is gay isn't near the stuff on primetime TV and is a lot different than a profanity laden 12 post rant that was the original thing where I asked the guy to stop cussing. Shouldn't have said it but it isn't the same thing, and my post was negative but how was it uninformed? and thanks for the d bag comment that was real sweet, I'm over the argument and I'm tired of being told I have to be positive to be on the blog, cause frankly I see 9 wins as the best we can do and I for one expect more from the Redskins and Joe in his 4th year. If nobody else agrees that's fine I'm tired of trying to bring reality to the unrealistic.

Posted by: Jack | August 15, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Well said k Squared.

Posted by: Forrest | August 15, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Jack it's a difference without distinction. Do you believe you set a good example for your children by labeling as "gay" thinking that does not jibe with yours? Be an adult, opinions are like SJKs. Everyone has one and most of them stink, except yours of course. ;]

Posted by: LH | August 15, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Looks like we need to calm down a little. I understand that some of the things 'said' on here have touched sore points for others, but this whole thread seems to have got out of hand. It's great that people are passionate about what they espouse here, but things are degenerating intopersonal attacks, which has no place on a fan site?

Perhaps you guys could metaphorically shake hands, agree to differ, and everything can move on?

Where's our town sheriff when we need him?

Posted by: Redcoat | August 15, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

You did a fine job subbing for Deputy Fife there Gomer, er, Redcoat.

Posted by: LH | August 15, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I think we've all made some good points and got some stuff off our chests... No harm in that. Although, this stuff should never become personal... We're talking about about our Redskins here..
No more, No less.

So what did we determine? Are we going to be positively reaslistic or realistically positive?

Anyhow, what do you say Jason... give us some more news... like we're not about to waste a pick on a DT that is about to be release!

SJK! I gotta get some work done... Damn!

Posted by: E in VB | August 15, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

group hug

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

LH, read the post, what I said was "gay" was that Forrest said:

"I agree with E of VB as well. Shut-up already about all the negativity. Trade for this guy, offense sucks, defense sucks, Joe Gibbs sucks, The Receiver........... ENOUGH!"

and I said to not tell people who disagree to shut up, cause then we wouldn't be able to get mad and argue if we all just shutted up. I shouldn't have said it was "gay", but wow, I didn't say that anyone was gay or that anybody who thinks different than me is gay, in fact I said the exact opposite, I said it was "gay" to tell differing opinions to "shut up."

Posted by: Jack | August 15, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

It's on the way....

Posted by: Stumped's Turban | August 15, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

i'm gonna be on the way if this sjking match doesn't end soon

Posted by: jm's hammer | August 15, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm fine, and not angry at anyone, its just sports and we're just talking, I don't like being told to shut up, or called an idiot or a d-bag, but I prolly earned it in this case responding the way I did to being told to shut up in the first place, maybe I shoulda. Anyway, I'll enjoy following the skins on here with everyone else through they're long trek to mediocrity again!

Posted by: Jack | August 15, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I stand corrected. Thanks for the clarification Jack. That makes it all better.

Posted by: LH | August 15, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Jack, would you like a shovel to help you drag the earth in on top of you a bit faster?
Seriously sir, I think the more you try to explain yourself the worse it's getting.

Why not do this. Assume that everyone believes that you mean well/are a stand-up guy - regardless of how inarticulately you expressed yourself - and just move on.

Everyone here - except perhaps SMACK, EaglesFan and myself - shares your passion for the 'skins, and everyone (see above) hopes for a great season, it's all we as fans want: our team to be competitive, and to help us scale the vicarious peaks (as well as plumb the depths) of emotion that only sports can do.

HAIL!! (to the Dolphins)

Posted by: Redcoat | August 15, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?story=130049&ran=177175

"Of all the odd twists and turns in James Thrash's career, this one may be the strangest.

At age 32 and after 10 seasons in the NFL, Thrash seems poised to return to a spotlight he had gladly relinquished years ago. Through two weeks of camp, he has been the Washington Redskins' most impressive receiver, not only in what he's done but in how consistently he's done it.

"James is really sticking," receivers coach Stan Hixon said. "Everyone on the staff notices it and mentions it. We've see it on the film, and the film don't lie."................

"

Posted by: 4th | August 15, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Thrash and Pinkston, Philly South....Wooohooo!

Posted by: Jack | August 15, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I know it's important, I honestly do but we're talking about practice. We're talking about practice man. We're talking about practice. We're talking about practice. We're not talking about the game. We're talking about practice... but we're talking about practice right now. ... Hey I hear you, it's funny to me too, hey it's strange to me too but we're talking about practice man, we're not even talking about the game, when it actually matters, we're talking about practice ..."

Allen Iverson on James Thrash.

Posted by: LH | August 15, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I know I'm not being strictly football. Sorry. The o-line discussion is way above my pay grade on the wonky scale so I can't add anything to it.

Posted by: sfskin | August 15, 2007 01:24 PM

don't worry, sfskin - it's obvious from many of the comments that most of these clowns have no idea what they are talking about most of the time, o-line or anything else related to football.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Look out!!!! anonymous sniper on the blog....

call your shots!

Posted by: Jack | August 15, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Jack,

Just to set the record straight and bury this dead horse already. I never explicitly told "you" to shut-up. I was merely stating in general that all the negative comments be suspended until the appropriate time, if necessary.

Simple is as simple does Jack!

Posted by: Forrest | August 15, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Ok,

Thanks for clearing up that you weren't being mean to me by being mean to me....I understand now and I'm done, see everyone tomorrow.

Posted by: Jack | August 15, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

If you disagree, state your opinion and make a case, don't just sit there and say the Skins are the best and everybody shut up, that's gay.

Posted by: Jack | August 15, 2007 02:15 PM

F Jack!

Posted by: SJK | August 15, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

NOUS42 KNHC 151230
WEATHER RECONNAISSANCE FLIGHTS
CARCAH, NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER, MIAMI, FL.
0830 AM EDT WED 15 AUGUST 2007
SUBJECT: TROPICAL CYCLONE PLAN OF THE DAY (TCPOD)
VALID 16/1100Z TO 17/1100Z AUGUST 2007
TCPOD NUMBER.....07-083

I. ATLANTIC REQUIREMENTS
1. TROPICAL DEPRESSION 05
FLIGHT ONE
A. 16/1200,1800Z
B. NOAA2 0405A CYCLONE
C. 16/0930Z
D. 24.9N 96.1W
E. 16/1130Z TO 16/1800Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT
2. SUCCEEDING DAY OUTLOOK.....NEGATIVE.

3. TROPICAL STORM DEAN
FLIGHT ONE
A. 16/1800Z
B. AFXXX 0104A DEAN
C. 16/1430Z
D. 13.2N 53.7W
E. 16/1700Z TO 16/2100Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT

FLIGHT TWO
A. 17/0000Z
B. NOAA9 0204A DEAN
C. 16/1800Z
D. NA
E. NA
F. 41,000 TO 45,000 FT
4. SUCCEEDING DAY OUTLOOK: BEGIN 6-HRLY FIXES AT 17/12000Z.
ANOTHER G-IV MISSION.

Posted by: Not Loco Mullin | August 15, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Guys, c'mon. Is the blog going to get this hostile to fellow fans on a regular basis?

You can't measure intent in the words people type; God (SJK) knows I've inadvertently typed enough stupid-ass (SJK) stuff in my time. Who hasn't had that head-slapping "what was I thinking?" moment behind a computer? What Jack typed was silly, possibly ignorant, but I don't believe he had heinous intent.

So having said that, do I now have to don my red coat and march in single file towards the loaded guns?

Posted by: Redcoat | August 15, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Knock it off guys!!! I was not a bust last year! The quarterbacks didn't throw me the ball!!! I set a record last year! Only receiver to start 15 games and not score at TD and catch 23 passes!!! That is $450k per catch! Bet that record won't be beaten any time soon.

Posted by: Brandon Lloyd | August 15, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat,

Everyone I know has put his or her foot in his or her mouth at one time or another; or has said or written something that was not interpreted as the speaker or writer intended. So I will not shoot, but since you are a fins fan, a water balloon may in order.

Posted by: Mark (in 21132) | August 15, 2007 4:16 PM | Report abuse

While we're on the subject of great busts, Nate is there any way you could combine this t-shirt quote with a picture of THE receiver?

http://cgi.ebay.com/naked-gun-movie-quote-tv-dvd-Funny-T-Shirts-All-Sizes_W0QQitemZ160109322901QQcmdZViewItem

Posted by: Redcoat | August 15, 2007 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Fins fans... here? warm up the grill!

mmmm... Flannigan's Dolphin Sandwich... mmmmm...

Posted by: Dik | August 15, 2007 4:20 PM | Report abuse

" ... Just to set the record straight and bury this dead horse already. ...."

Posted by: Forrest | August 15, 2007 03:57 PM

Not so fast, put away that shovel, that dead horse is going to be dinner until the season starts.

Seriously, major props to 4th for finding the article that speaks directly to the little monkey whispering in my ear who says the Skins already may have what they need for the receiver roster.

My most vivid recollection of how the season was lost were those two dropped passes by Patten at the end of the Giants game. I remember thinking how I was witnessing Patten's swan song ... how everyone really wanted HIM to catch some passes, mostly so that he could stay on the team. I was thinking that if they REALLY wanted to get those yards, there go to guy SHOULD have been Thrash. He is cool headed enough that he would have pulled in BOTH of those. I am ALL FOR that guy having a "late bloomer" career peak, esp. b/c of his LOOOONG and patient history as a Skin.

That said, a question for all the blog experts from yesterday's discussion of race ... is James Thrash a white guy or a black guy?

Posted by: dcsween | August 15, 2007 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Interesting article on the 700 page playbook and Al Saunders:

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0807/447689.html

Sounds like the offense is ready to roll, if the blockers can stop playing footsie.

Posted by: mugamack | August 15, 2007 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I wanted to use the William H Macy speech about an egg sandwich from Mystery Men, but sadly it seems that no-one else here loves that film as I do .

So I'll settle for: "We struck down evil with the mighty sword of teamwork and the hammer of not bickering". How about that for a blog motto?

Posted by: Redcoat | August 15, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I liked Mystery Men, 'Coat, and I'm sorry I missed the reference to it you dropped a few days back. But I'm not the sharpest tool in the RI shed, as amply demonstrated.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

sween, you were, ah, not being quite serious about Thrash's racial makeup, were ya?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Sheriff Nate.

BTW Manchester United and Portsmouth are drawing 1-1 and Cristiano Ronaldo just got red carded. You may be right, we could be fighting for last place in Kost's EPL fantasy league!

And now, back to the football.

Posted by: Redcoat | August 15, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse

And I'll leave Mrs Nate to decide on the sharpness or otherwise of your tools Nate.

I forgot to ask, how old is young Nathan Jr? Should we start match-making between him and my half-Brit? It never hurts to get them lined up early. :-)

Posted by: Redcoat | August 15, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Every time I see the title of this thread, I can't help thinking of Warren from 'There's Something About Mary.' That makes me smile. (And without any guilt, because behind its anti-PC tastelessness, that movie had its heart in the right place.)

The silliness on this thread makes me not so much smile as grimace. And sniff loudly and hitch up my gun belt and adjust my deputy's hat. There'll be no molly-coddling if you fellows continue to step out of line.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Coat, you are right, to a point. But if you decide to be critical of a poster's wordchoice, you sure as shti better be beyond reproach yourself.

The fact that he went on and on for another hour plus, backpedaling, only revealed his hypocracy. Keepn it weal.

BTW, 25 days to kickoff.

HAIL!

Posted by: k Squared | August 15, 2007 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I promise I'll stop the rambling (NBM?) after this but I always wanted to describe myself thus:

"An effete British superhero, to be precise. I am pilfering your tableware because I hurl it. I hurl it with a deadly accuracy. The Blue Raja is my name. And yes, I know I don't wear much blue and I speak in a British accent, but if you know your history it really does make perfect sense. "

Posted by: Redcoat | August 15, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Nate, no, not serious, just trying to point out that on race issues, discussions are alot more complicated than peeps (who undoubtedly have VERY strong opinions) seem to think they are. On race generally, I figure the best we can do is keep talking about it ... candidly ... and when someone "feels" something, that person can't be right or wrong ... that's just the way it is, but the talking about it part is the most imperative part.

Posted by: dcsween | August 15, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Mark

Thanks for the props..... Many, many past sins from the owner/FO... the reality is we have been out of control but have managed to be just good enough or talented enough to hover +/- around the 500 mark most seasons which has fed the dilusional ownership into thinking we are close to being a contender and masking the real issue all along which the is lack of a franchise QB and quality philosphy (coaching).... my point and my opinion all along to seriously be in the hunt you must have these two things in place first then you have the foundation to build around ....we have been going about this ass backwards since we brought in Jeff George.... Brad johnson was not a franchise QB but he was good enough to be a winner and would have been a good mentor to say....Jason campbell... all in the past not going to dwell there anymore....Now lets be clear....Its a NEW ERA... Slate is clean (For now) we have a coach and a young talented QB it starts there... we have some other things (Talent) we have holes too .... I expect improvement ( one reason I feel strongly is brunell is so not a fit for what this offense needs and is long over the hill, that despite Jasons inexpierence his play making abilty is going to be huge.) anything can happen in this league good and bad... there going to be teams that surprise and teams that disappoint....But we are going to be doing one or the other behind a young QB not a reject (Tony Banks anyone) or a has been (brunell) so there should some hope and energy behind that....think bengal fan feels pretty good about the teams chances behind carson palmer or arizona behind leinart, philly has mcnabb smack feels good about romo....see..... we are in the hope stage talented but unproven....palmer, macnabb manning (peyton) brady were all where JC is right now..... To be fair it could all turn out like it is now for ELI, hope turns into doubt which could lead to failure instead of success (Peyton, Brady et al.) but we have a couple years of the hope and proof phase to go thru first.....just one man's opinion.

Posted by: Old School | August 15, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

HAVE YOU SEEN MY BASEBALL?!?!

FRANKS AND BEANS....FRANKS AND BEANS!!!

Posted by: warren | August 15, 2007 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Aye, sween, talking about it in a civil manner.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 4:47 PM | Report abuse

How about some new SWAG instead, guys?

Go to the Redskins Insider cafepress site and check out the new Rocky McIntosh joints. Wear 'em with pride all year, but especially whenever we play Philly.

http://www.cafepress.com/redskinsinsider

And always remember: F the Eagles

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | August 15, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Everyone can calm down....

First (Madden 08) Half of Dolphins at Skins is over and we're leading 10-0. Wade is starting at LG and playing well. Portis and Betts are finding open running lanes. Campbell has hit both Moss and ARE for nice gains and Cooley for a TD. The D is wreaking havoc - although Carter is NOT off to the good start that Double GG has promised.

Second half beginning now...

Posted by: CMoney | August 15, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Also, someone who was complaining about the peeps here who want positivity (to borrow a word usement from the President, I will call them "Positivers") and calling out the Positivers for drinking Kool-Aid, blah, blah, blah, that person said the Positivers are all geeked about the Skins going to the Super Bowl. Now I read MOST of what gets posted (pay no attention to that screen boss), but NO one he seems to be actually thinking the Skins are SB-bound. The closest I've seen to a hoped for aspiration (on the blog) is peeps trying to do the math to get a wild card berth. Frankly, I just want some good, close games. I'm miles away from actually predicting something UNTIL the Skins beat Miami on September 9th. That game is MUST WIN. Everything after that is must wait and see.

Posted by: dcsween | August 15, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Where did all the PC police come from?

Sometimes it is better to be a realist than an optimist. If you really think the redskins have a shot at the Super Bowl this year, you are delusional. I hope all of the "delusional" people dont come out offended now. We will be very lucky to make the playoffs. I believe we have a good chance to be a 9-7 team, but no possible way a Super Bowl.

And who let Dr. Phil(Forrest) in the house?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | August 15, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

See what I mean?

Posted by: dcsween | August 15, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Paging Sheriff Nate, paging Sheriff Nate....

They're starting again.

Posted by: RedGomerCoat | August 15, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Friendly wager:

If the 'skins pick up Warren, then JLC will criticize the FO for trading away a draft pick AND for picking up a guy whom some have labeled lazy.

If the 'skins do not pick up Warren, and another team does, then JLC will criticize the FO for NOT picking up a Dlineman, which he has identified as a thin spot on the defense.

In JLC's world, the 'skins will never get it right - because he just does not like the team.

Posted by: Gus | August 15, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

As many times before 'sween, the voice of sanity. I hope that you're disappointed on 9/9, but that the rest of the year gives you cause for optimism.

Posted by: Redcoat | August 15, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Dr Phil? Ok, whatever!

Posted by: Forrest | August 15, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Rocky lii? What the SJK does that mean?

Posted by: 4th | August 15, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Roman for '52'

Someone's jersey numbah

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 5:04 PM | Report abuse

gatorskinz2000 --

I'm right there with you - although I wouldn't say it's impossible. The Pats went from 5-11 to the Super Bowl.

But the realist in me tells me that this is a 5-11 team with (essentially) a new starting QB - in a QB League. If they are battling for a playoff spot come week 15, then this season should be considered a success. Anything else beyond that is gravy.

Posted by: CMoney | August 15, 2007 5:05 PM | Report abuse

THIS DAY IN RI HISTORY

August 15, 2006 - Jasno isn't the only scofflaw running amok on the streets of Washington. He tries to shift attention to another:

"[T]here's a BMW sedan next to us, and the driver keeps reaching beyond his steering wheel to the windshield ... this wacko has a small cat ... lodged in between the window and he is petting the heck out of it ... Stranger still ... he has [a] US Custom's Police outfit ... This guy is a cop and he's violating [a high power] knows how many traffic laws, much less what PETA would have to say about the situation."

Meanwhile, in Skinsland, an abdominal injury suffered by Shawn Springs, along with the poor play of Taylor Jacobs, prompts our infallible FO to trade the underachieving wideout to the Niners for secondary help in the form of Mike "Speedbumph" Rumph.

QUOTE OF THE DAY

"It's killing me [that] Portis got injured ... but how MONEY was that hit?!" - OD

Posted by: MV Dame | August 15, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Gus, that's simply not right.

As a professional journalist JLC doesn't view Redskin-related news/events through the lens of fan OR non-fan, he simply describes what he sees while trying to get people within the organization to add some context to what is unfolding.

Much of the lack of clarity on events is as a direct result of the lack of clarity within the organization itself. There is always a degree of obfuscation with news in sports as knowledge of a team's workings could be a competitive advantage, and anyway most head coaches are paranoid control-freaks. That notwithstanding, the lack of a coherent/communicated 'strategery' for the team causes everyone with an interest in them to waste their time second-guessing what is unfolding and trying to discern some sort of strategy within what is mostly just a set of arbitrary unconnected decisions; on playing personnel, customer relations, playing philosophy, etc, etc.

Jason's just doing his job, that's all.

Posted by: Redcoat | August 15, 2007 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Heard on the Saints board last August:

"Anyone who thinks the Saints are going to win their division and go to the NFC championship game is delusional. The team was 3-13 last year. Stop drinking the Kool Aid."


10-6 baby!!! I feel it.

Posted by: LH | August 15, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't it be LII in roman numerials?

Nice try, though........

Posted by: 4th | August 15, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Also, RedGomerCoat, jm220 is the duly elected sheriff of this here blog. I am but the lowly, bumbling deputy/sidekick.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I would never, ever be entrusted with the hammer. And it's a good thing, too.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Gary Fitz just put up another one. He (Fitz) misses the importance of these statements, but they are not lost on me. Read about Jason Campbell referring to himself in the third person plural, plus Joe Gibbs saying (deep down) how it should go:

" ... And then there's Thrash, the always reliable veteran. He has had a strong camp, forging a strong bond on the field with Campbell. The duo hooked up for several big plays during 7-on-7 work in the Aug. 4 Redskins-Ravens scrimmage in Baltimore.

"James is a guy we call 'one speed,' because everything he does is full speed," Campbell said. "No matter what he's doing, everything he's doing is full speed. He's a guy that's really dependable, and we can use him in a lot of situations."

Thrash is so important to the Redskins's special teams that coaches are sometimes reluctant to give him a big workload at wide receiver.

Said Gibbs: "He plays so well on so many things. But I honestly believe that if he was your starting wide receiver, he could have a great year. He's probably one of the best trained athletes on our football team."

Posted by: dcsween | August 15, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I just want us to be respectable, to play smart and fight our guts out. I want to reach December, our final five games, with a record around .500 and a shot at the playoffs.

If we're 6-5 or 5-6 at that point, it will feel pretty darn good.

December: Buffalo at home, short week 'til Chicago at home, then ten days to get ready for the Jints in Jersey. Then to Minny, then home to Dallas.

I want all those December games to matter.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Time to replace Thrash on special teams ... and move him to where Jason Campbell (and Saunders) need him to play. This is my new campaign (barring injury, then I'd drop it).

Posted by: dcsween | August 15, 2007 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Sorry LH...

Bobby Beathard, Charlie Casserly =

Charlie Beathard =]

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 15, 2007 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Definitely rooting for Thrash right along with you, sween, but doesn't it seem a little strange that after all these seasons he could emerge as our second-best WR? Don't you think that says more about the depth of our WR corps than it does about Thrash? And I love the dude, I want to stress.

I guess it's Lloyd's fault again... if he were practining and showing those vaunted skills we probably wouldn't be having this discussion. Moss/Lloyd/ARE/Thrash would be in the same order as last season, without any question.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Hey 4th, did you actually look at the shirt or just the "model" name? All of my shirt names are in lowercase... every single one of them.

It's a play on the absurd number of Rocky sequels. If you don't like the shirt go ahead and say so, but the roman numeraling (yeah I said that even though I'm pretty sure it's not a word) is correct, my friend.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | August 15, 2007 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry but are we to now believe that after all of these years (and two teams) that James Thrash is Andre Reed. If anything, this speaks to the sorry state of our receiving corps. I'm sure if I went out to the short hoops at a local elementary school during recess I would look all-world too.

Like I said above, we're talking about practice. Not games. Practice. I like Thrash. It would be a great story but I am not buying this one. No way he's this year's Marques Colston.

I'm counting on the 'Skins strength being the D and the running game with a healthy CP.

Posted by: LH | August 15, 2007 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Great minds Nate. Great minds. You beat me this time.


SCSkins, I knew what you meant. I was just having fun amidst the madness.

Posted by: LH | August 15, 2007 5:37 PM | Report abuse

So LH, when will Vick plead out, ya think? Not looking good for him.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 15, 2007 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Earl Warren.

Warren Oates.

Warren Zevon.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Warren Peace

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2007 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Warren G. Harding (SJK).

Robert Penn Warren.

Warren, OH.

War and Peace.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Warren Sapp

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2007 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Warrenton.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Warren Iraq

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2007 5:49 PM | Report abuse

This Day (8/15) in Redskins FO history:

Tuesday, August 15, 2006; Page E03 (HoBo)

"The Redskins traded disappointing fourth-year wide receiver Taylor Jacobs to the San Francisco 49ers last night for cornerback Mike Rumph.

The trade addresses two immediate concerns for the Redskins: depth and injuries at cornerback."


Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 15, 2007 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Warren Terror

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2007 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Warren't you just leaving, anon?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2007 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Nice work, anon.

Ugh, SC. That should have been a three-way trade that would allow Taylor Jacobs and Mike Rumph to wind up on neither team. Some sort of mercy deal where the league kicks down some cash just to get dudes like that off rosters. Double ugh.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Doh! Totally forgot the band Warrant.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Warren G (not Harding, just G)

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2007 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Nate,

Check out Rumph's "career highlights" at http://www.mikerumph24.com/ssp/highlights/

My favorie year is 2004. Check it out! In only ONE game, Rumph had TWO tackles! And one of them was a SOLO!

"1. Started at cornerback and recorded two tackles (one solo) vs. Atlanta (9-12)

2. Started at cornerback and registered four solo tackles before leaving game with broken forearm vs. St. Louis (10-3)

3. Inactive with broken forearm vs. Arizona (10-10)

4, Placed on Injured Reserve (10-16)"

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 15, 2007 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Nate and anon- You missed the greatest Warren of all...Warren Buffett. Teach me your winning ways, oh Oracle of Omaha.

Posted by: 4-12 | August 15, 2007 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Bucktown (About to start another petty discussion), I was just stating that roman numerials are not presented in lower case. Never have.

I think I brought one of those, so I can live with the lower case. I will just have to explain my self many times over about lii means.....

Posted by: 4th | August 15, 2007 6:05 PM | Report abuse

LH - you mean I shouldn't be showing up 9 year olds on the playground? Dang!

Maybe James Thrash is our Rich Gannon . . . . anyone? . . . Bueller?

Oh and in addition to winning the Super Bowl, Danny Snyder is going to give every fan a pony and there will always be rainbows over FedEx which will be renamed the "Happiest Place on Earth" after it's agreed that all fans will wear mouse ears at every game for the next 100 years.

I'm with Nate. I want December to be competitive. I'm with whoever that said the "laser" focus right now is My Hammy. I'm with Old School we have a young QB who may be the man.

I apparently have no original thoughts or opinions.

Posted by: sfskin | August 15, 2007 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Warren Haynes

Posted by: SMACK | August 15, 2007 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Diane Warren

Posted by: SMACK | August 15, 2007 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Please oh please oh please don't let Soups start talking about himself in the third person. It's killing me that CP has that habit now.

The only one I vaguely tolerate is Doug Williams.

"At this particular time Doug Williams decided Doug Williams needed to talk about Doug Williams in the third person."

"Doug Williams agreed. At this particular time."

Posted by: sfskin | August 15, 2007 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Now after rereading, I take that back. Sorry, I mixed up your point. The shirt is in CAPS.

Can we get an old school Terry Allen or Tre Johnson shirt going?

Posted by: 4th | August 15, 2007 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Warren Moon

Posted by: sfskine | August 15, 2007 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Warren Beatty

Posted by: 4th | August 15, 2007 6:11 PM | Report abuse

4th, no worries. I just think there's just a miscommunication here. No ill will intended.

You will never need to explain yourself if you are wearing the shirt because the roman numerals are not lower case on the shirt. It says "ROCKY LII" on the shirt. The name on the site is lower case only because I detest using capitals in file names. I hope that clears it up.

Did you mean to say "bought" one? Glad to hear it if you did.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | August 15, 2007 6:12 PM | Report abuse

warren jeffs

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Jeffs

Posted by: 4th | August 15, 2007 6:12 PM | Report abuse

This just in,

"we" is first-person plural.

"they" is third-person plural.

Didn't Campbell use "we"? Seems right to me.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2007 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Warren Commission.

Posted by: 4-12 | August 15, 2007 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Did I mention I passed through High school with a D average in English?

Yes, I 'bought' 2 actually earlier today? This is my 1st time buying a shirt....

Posted by: 4th | August 15, 2007 6:15 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, I was too subtle about the third person plural (which, after all, is Clinton Portis' current voice). For JC, it was subliminal, i.e., a cry from his inner third person plural that says "please please please lemme throw to Thrash b/c I know where he is going to be after my # step drop!"

Posted by: dcsween | August 15, 2007 6:16 PM | Report abuse

6:13pm, yes, first person plural, my bad.

LH and Nate, I choose not to respond to your negativing. ITN.

Posted by: dcsween | August 15, 2007 6:17 PM | Report abuse

No SCSkinsfan it does not look good for Vick. But it never did once fed investigators and prosecutors got involved. You cannot bet against that winning percentage. No sense in dragging it out and losing more time than necessary.

Warren Peace

Posted by: LH | August 15, 2007 6:18 PM | Report abuse

LH,

So, Vick has until Friday to cop the plea, or by Monday, according to CNN,

"Without an agreement in place by the end of this week, Vick could face new, more serious charges when a grand jury reconvenes on Monday."

Rock...meet hard place...hard place...meet rock.

Oh yeah, I was the 6:13 pm pedant.

Posted by: SCSKinsFan | August 15, 2007 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Good to hear, 4th... about the shirts... not the D average.

I am embarrassed to say that I do not own one, but when I met up with Nate, jm220 and cL, jm was wearing the Reaper shirt. It looked pretty good, so I was happy.

I need to get a couple soon. I just keep designing them instead of ordering them.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | August 15, 2007 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | August 15, 2007 6:28 PM | Report abuse

I love Thrash more than anyone, but if he's our #2 WR heading into week 1 I'm going to be sick to my stomach. Again, it's not that I don't like the guy or think he's a serviceable vet who can perform, but we shelled out 65 mill in contracts (21 mill upfront) for Lloyd and ARE.

If we ultimately end up saying that a guy on the down slope of his career is better at the #2, on the heels of a 5-11 year, we're in some deep (SJK) cap wise for years to come...

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | August 15, 2007 6:29 PM | Report abuse

And to answer your question, I don't know enough to say but here's what the AJC has to say: http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/08/15/vick_0816.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab

It would have been easier to defend himself against the first guy who pleaded guilty because they had a falling out. But once his two buddies agreed to cop a deal it sealed his fate. How are you going to discredit guys with whom you spend most of your time? The worse you make them look the worse you look.

Posted by: LH | August 15, 2007 6:33 PM | Report abuse

RB, I think all the blame is on Lloyd, Brandon.

I don't think anyone in the FO expected ARE to be the second wideout in his career here...more of a PR, 3rd receiver, gadget play, X-factor kind of player who played some QB in college. A "slash."

Whatever happened to Slash anyway?

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 15, 2007 6:35 PM | Report abuse

I just don't see any NFL owners taking a chance on Vick after he gets out of jail, LH.

He cops a plea, his career is over.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 15, 2007 6:38 PM | Report abuse

3rd round pick, Browns, 2001. 28 years old. Best year was his rookie year in 2001. Here is a sample of what he had to say about his former team:

Thriving out from under Browns' cloud
Saturday, October 14, 2006
Denver Post

By Jim Armstrong
Denver Post Staff Columnist
DenverPost.com

Funny how these things work. In Cleveland, the players who comprise the heart of the Broncos' defensive line were ordinary, average guys. Underachievers, some would say. Now that they're in Denver, they're dominating opposing offenses. What gives?

"Different organizations," Gerard Warren said. "You walk through that door, you think Super Bowl. You walk through the door there, you're just trying to find a victory. That's the difference." ...

2006: 30 tackles 22 solo 2.5 sacks in 15 games.
2001: 61 tackles 52 solo 5.0 sacks in 15 games.

Posted by: periculum | August 15, 2007 6:41 PM | Report abuse

On the Lloyd topic and article:

Again note GIBB'S quote at the very end.

Thrash is so important to the Redskins's special teams that coaches are sometimes reluctant to give him a big workload at wide receiver.

Said Gibbs: "He plays so well on so many things. But I honestly believe that if he was your starting wide receiver, he could have a great year. He's probably one of the best trained athletes on our football team."

JASON, c'mon dude you been smokin' Raven's peyote if you believe for 1 SECOND that Lloyd was GIBB'S idea.
It has Snidley Whiplash written all over it, doesn't it? And again
we note the very, very, very quiet off-season of free agent signings after the Lloyd, Randel El, and Carter debacle of last year. (I think Carter will be better this year.)

Can we hear the words, "I tried to tell you Dan ..." ?????

Posted by: periculum | August 15, 2007 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Now there's a surprise -- Ricky Bobby having a little pessimism about the season.

LH, when you think about it, Thrash is a slash as well. Per Gibbs' own mouth, seems like they've never taken the idea of Thrash as a non-slash receiver seriously b/c of how he fits and how they need him on special teams.

I'm not saying the WR glass is half full, but I'm not saying its half empty either. It is what it is. A glass at half capacity. [insert the Rumsfeld quote here]. He's already on the roster, he's got his timing down with The Future, so what's the harm? To me, the one bright spot of last year was special teams play -- not the kickers, the other guys and the relative field position after change of possession. Does taking Thrash out of that equation hurt? Probably. Can his teams skill set be replicated? Who knows, but what we do know is that the Skins still have not found someone to keep the secondary from double teaming Santana. [I'm ready to concede that Cooley is the de facto #2 receiver, but he is drawing LBs and not the deeper game where the secondary lives.]

Posted by: dcsween | August 15, 2007 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I thought it was Saunders who wanted Lloyd.

Posted by: dcsween | August 15, 2007 6:48 PM | Report abuse

sween,

I'm just not seeing where Campbell referred to him self in 3rd person. The part the quotes him doesn't do that, unless the first paragraph from the insert was a Campbell quote as well, do you have a link to the story?

Posted by: gethanr13 | August 15, 2007 6:48 PM | Report abuse

ESPN
David Justice, "Rome is Burning"

Dear Mr. Justice,

Would you please investigate the events surrounding the acquisition of Brandon Lloyd, Randle El, et all the previous
year? We are interested in finding out just how much of a
hand Daniel Snyder and his lieutenant Vinnie Cerrato have in choosing these free agents? Or is it after all just Joe Gibbs and his staff?

Thank you very, very much in advance.

Posted by: periculum | August 15, 2007 6:50 PM | Report abuse

"I thought it was Saunders who wanted Lloyd."

Saunders? Thrash fits his scheme like a glove. Now how many
ravenous fans want the Redskins to throw the bomb every single
play. Cripes even Sonny never did that. It sounds like a FAN-tastic
strategy by the first FAN. Let's get Lloyd so that we can throw the bomb to him if they cover Santana. (Another Snyder favorite, except for once he was right and Marty was wrong. But no one
can always be wrong and Marty is not a good judge of talent in
the draft.)

Posted by: periculum | August 15, 2007 6:53 PM | Report abuse

gethanr13 (that is a tough one to remember how to type out), JC did not refer to himself as "we" ... I was projecting that on him ... tried to clarify at 6:16. The full article is on the Skins website and only discusses Thrash at the end (I think the article is actually about LLoyd, Brandon stepping up). The inspirational article is the one that 4th Floor found in the Hampton Roads paper.

Posted by: dcsween | August 15, 2007 6:55 PM | Report abuse

I don't remember who got hired first: Saunders or Lloyd, Brandon. But what I do remember is a Saunders quote where he says something about how Lloyd is the best receiver in the NFL from his wrists to his fingertips. I probably just assumed it was Saunders who wanted Lloyd.

Posted by: dcsween | August 15, 2007 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Not to change the subject (lie), but how many teams do the Skins face this year that run a base 3-4 defense. This Saturday's game should be Jason Campbell's first start against a 3-4 front, right? [I don't remember any of those last games from last season being against teams with honest-to-goodness nose guards.]

Posted by: dcsween | August 15, 2007 7:00 PM | Report abuse

dcsween, I remember reading an article last year that stated Lloyd was a Saunders - not Gibbs - "pick."

Posted by: Lisa | August 15, 2007 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, that's what I remember too.

Also, more for the "my bad" file. Jason Campbell faced base 3-4 Ds against New Orleans and St. Louis. [I'm distracted ... the Simpsons rerun has Lional Hutz/Phil Hartman (RIP) ...]. Out for a while.

Posted by: dcsween | August 15, 2007 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Etrod,

That's why I would only give up a 7th. If he's released there's no guaranty you get him. I wouldnt' give up anything higher than a 7 for him since its not a pressing need but to me a 7th rounder is worth Gerard Warren and the additional depth he brings to the d-line.

Posted by: Oz | August 15, 2007 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Sween, the pukes/girls etc will be running a 3/4 this year as well. Really we ran it last year, but our coaches couldn't coach it. Still rolling with Ferguson at the nose, with no real backup.

Posted by: SMACK | August 15, 2007 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Now that, is a very interesting point of view!

Posted by: Hugh Gerection | August 15, 2007 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Also, someone who was complaining about the peeps here who want positivity (to borrow a word usement from the President, I will call them "Positivers") and calling out the Positivers for drinking Kool-Aid, blah, blah, blah, that person said the Positivers are all geeked about the Skins going to the Super Bowl. Now I read MOST of what gets posted (pay no attention to that screen boss), but NO one he seems to be actually thinking the Skins are SB-bound. The closest I've seen to a hoped for aspiration (on the blog) is peeps trying to do the math to get a wild card berth. Frankly, I just want some good, close games. I'm miles away from actually predicting something UNTIL the Skins beat Miami on September 9th. That game is MUST WIN. Everything after that is must wait and see.

Posted by: dcsween | August 15, 2007 04:55 PM

dcsween, don't be so negative, we're not only going to win the Superbowl, but we're going unbeaten!

Posted by: kost52 | August 15, 2007 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't Dallas run a variation of the 3-4? Isn't that what we'll see for sure this year from them?

Posted by: periculum | August 15, 2007 8:06 PM | Report abuse

He was masturbating.

Posted by: Warren | August 15, 2007 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Vick has "63000000000 Billion" reasons to cop a plea:

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/riches_jonathan_file.pdf

This is an actual lawsuit filed in US District Court in Richmond. Another example of the fine work being done in our nation's prisons.

Posted by: LH | August 15, 2007 8:12 PM | Report abuse

What the heck!

Posted by: Hugh Gerection | August 15, 2007 8:13 PM | Report abuse

"The newspaper also reported that Johnson's return to the team could put fellow tailback Priest Holmes in jeopardy of not making the club's season-opening roster, "

If you are right about Sunders wanting Lloyd. What happens if Priest Holmes becomes available given the recent rash of injuries to the RBs?

Posted by: periculum | August 15, 2007 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Paging Mr. Jack Meoff, Jack Meoff please come to the nearest Yellow River Airlines terminal and ask for Mr. I. P. Freely.

Posted by: Hugh Gerection | August 15, 2007 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Another one of those days where there's a bit of heat on the blog!

At least those days put up some good numbers!

Posted by: kost52 | August 15, 2007 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Ahem, I believe someone has taken the liberty of using my name in a derogatory manner. That is unacceptable. I have been teased my whole life and it isn't very funny.

Posted by: the real.... .Hugh Gerection | August 15, 2007 8:23 PM | Report abuse

I love Thrash, but I'm not sure if he's our best option at #2 WR. He had a decent chance at Philly, at a time when they needed some good WR play and he didn't exactly set the world on fire.

I think Lloyd will be ok, unfortunately, if we don't give Soupy time to throw the ball, we're not really going to get much of a chance to find out!

Posted by: kost52 | August 15, 2007 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Where is Loadman?

Posted by: Kat | August 15, 2007 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Soccer post. Skip, you chequered-ball haters

Hey kost, nate, ben, redcoat..others?. I swear I'm not "mailing in" the EPL fantasy thing. Wasn't quite prepared for Rounds without all the teams playing. I probably bought a few too many Gunners (nice win today btw). I'll figure it out.

Oh and Scott/Alaskan Pipeline is a friend of mine. I hope he didn't shut out any of your friends. He's a bastard sjk Ravens sjk fan anyway, so feel free to have at him.

Is the NFL fantasy going to fill up?

Posted by: SMACK | August 15, 2007 8:57 PM | Report abuse

rabbit warren.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 9:15 PM | Report abuse

I think what sween meant about that particular ladle of Soup wasn't 'third person' so much as 'royal we.'

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Have you seen my weiner?

Posted by: Warren | August 15, 2007 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Catching up on the comments, we aren't so sure about the 'royal we' so much as we are altogether confused by sween's serving of Soup.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Yeah NFL will be fine, Redcoat hasn't rejoined yet, and jm220 was going to confirm closer to season start, and if not I've had a couple others show some interest.


EPL, thanks for pointing it out SMACK, I hadn't realised this round had ended! I'm spewing! Guess we have to keep an eye on when rounds start and finish!

Posted by: kost52 | August 15, 2007 9:31 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, kost, somehow managed to steal a victory in this round, though it seems over half my squad didn't score... again.

I'd like to see some indication in the team or manager lists of nationality, to keep track of how poorly we Yanks are doing relative to you Roos.

As a badge of honour, of course, because we wouldn't deign to actually try to succeed at this sort of thing.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Naturally in my zeal to collect Pompey players I picked Kanu over Mwaruwari or whatever his name is... you know, the Pompey striker who has a goal in each game so far.

Now that I've traded one for the other, I'll expect Mwaru~ to break his leg and Kanu to get a hat trick in the next match. *sigh*

All that aside, play up, Pompey! Drawing home to Man Utd, those despicable Reds, feels pretty darn good.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Is that all the warrens? All the major ones, anyway.

Jasno asked for more warren, and we delivered!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 9:42 PM | Report abuse

I don't think we should worry in the slightest about the FO going after Gerard Warren.

If his name was Todd Warren, then I'd be worried!

Posted by: kost52 | August 15, 2007 9:49 PM | Report abuse


The only Warren worthy of a Redskins jersey is Donnie Warren, our beloved tight end of yesteryear! That dude could flat play!

Posted by: Montana'Skins Fan | August 15, 2007 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Hear, hear, Montana!

(I name-checked Donnie near the top of this thread, which gave me the whole idea of the Warren name game, a game I pursued after the infighting burned itself out.)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 9:58 PM | Report abuse

aaaahhhhh....fonder memories of glory years passed. Donnie Warren snagging that TD pass during a 35 point Q2 in SD. I slept very well that night on the beaches of La Jolla!

Posted by: PDX FredSkin | August 15, 2007 10:04 PM | Report abuse

did Jasno steal the McIntosh article title from Radioactive Man?

up and atom
my eyes. the goggles do nothing.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2007 10:21 PM | Report abuse

10:25 PM and no coke for this hamster. Where is tomorrows news tonite? Jasno's reporting is must read b4 bedtime.

Posted by: DTC | August 15, 2007 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Help you sleep at night DTC?

Posted by: kost52 | August 15, 2007 10:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm still catching up on the comments so I will comment out of context.

No, to any trades with the Doncos. Warren is rubbish! Anyone notice how many d-linemen Denver has gone through in the past 3 seasons? Believe me if it was here, the likes of Ricky Bobby would never let us forget about it. They're constantly bringing in "Browncos" and draft d-linemen only to still need d-linemen.

If he's cut bring him in for a looksee, whatever.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 15, 2007 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Another thing about the d-line...Montgomery and Griffin didn't play last week. No need to panic. I think a healthy Griffin whith Fletcher behind him will be...satisfactory.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 15, 2007 10:54 PM | Report abuse

On the concussion hotline topic, can the big reaper or the little reaper call the line and let the league know that Trent Green has a concussion effective Sept 9?

Posted by: bangkokben | August 15, 2007 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Just reading the link from the Denver Post:http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_6624946

Here's an excerpt:

"How now Browncos? After Warren departs today, Ekuban will be the only original Brownco remaining.

Prior to 2005, the Broncos grabbed five defensive line commodities from the Cleveland Browns - coach Andre Patterson, ends Courtney Brown and Ekuban and tackles Michael Myers and Warren.

Later, the Broncos grabbed a few more former Browns defensive linemen in Kenard Lang, Amon Gordon and McKinley. Those guys are still around. But only Ekuban remains from the original group."

If the 'skins would have that much turnover at any one position, the FO would have been tarred and feathered on the mall.

Winning sure helps overlooking the obvious problems with Denver's FO. One other thing to note: Denver has good corners.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 15, 2007 11:07 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nascar.com/multimedia/

Mildly interesting... new JG Racing signee Kyle Busch was given a Skins jersey with his name and new car #18. There's a video on NASCAR's multimedia page, linked above.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 11:13 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what you guys would have said if we'd picked Calvin Johnson...since our receivers are inadequate. Johnson would have cost up what we paid for both.

Posted by: sicwidit | August 15, 2007 11:13 PM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/15/AR2007081502503.html

DTC, Jasno's newest is up on the site. Enjoy. And pleasant dreams.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 11:15 PM | Report abuse

As for Jansen...
Let the guy knock the rust off and make mistakes in the season before you throw him under the bus. Last year 19 sacks given up - 12 were attributed to the O-line.

First preseason game; five sacks - at least one not the O-line's fault. Also should be noted that the line did not have the starting, LT, RG, and perhaps LG.

Concern yes. Panic not yet.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 15, 2007 11:16 PM | Report abuse

what's with you being all reasonable and stuff, bangkokben? it's a little tough reading it after the day we've had up here.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 11:19 PM | Report abuse

As for picking up someone else at G...

No! No! No! Next year, if you want to pay Faneca a ton of money, okay. This year adding anyone at this stage would be a project. Kendall is more washed up than Jansen. Jansen is better than Todd Wade at tackle.

Sorry folks. It's either T. Wade or Pucillo.

Other obvious things about guard: stouter than tackles but must have the speed to get out in front in run blocking (pulling). Definite disadvantage to running game having a 350 lb guard unless he is super quick.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 15, 2007 11:23 PM | Report abuse

We could use a good haiku about now.

Posted by: SMACK | August 15, 2007 11:24 PM | Report abuse

And Jasno's article about the #2 QB position... ugh.

Having to decide between the 36-year-old who can't play anymore and the 35-year-old who hasn't started a game in SEVEN YEARS... well, that is simply not good.

Which is the subtext of all this concern about the O line, I think. We want Soup to stay upright, for the pocket to have thick concrete walls when he drops back. We want him to be protected by great pass blocking AND by a pounding, relentless running game. We want to trust the O line to make it so.

Because Soup is not only the future, he's the present.

The choice between Brunell and Collins is basically a push, because the dropoff from Soup to either of them is precipitous. We all know this.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Also from Jasno, Poochie gets the start at left guard this Saturday.

Wade must be more hurt than he was initially letting on, with his declaration that he would be ready to go on Sat. Jasno says he might not even suit up for this one.

Good luck to Poochie and Heyer on the left side, and to Soup behind them. Bless us all, everyone.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Nate, I'm posting as I'm catching up. I'm at 2:00 PM.

Sorry, TDawg and Jack. I won't apologize. Not until game 10, maybe. The bigger question is will you apologize when the real season starts and the o-line protects Soup and the RB's gain 4.5 a clip?

Posted by: bangkokben | August 15, 2007 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Mike Wise also has a column. (Service with a sneer, as usual.)

He passes on this Berra-esque malapropism from Sam Huff, who was talking about how LaVar and the Tower of London each gave him (Huff) respect when they joined the team: "they're both one of a kind."

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 11:32 PM | Report abuse

"They're both one of a kind."

I love it!!!

Posted by: kost52 | August 15, 2007 11:32 PM | Report abuse

My 11:25 post was almost in Captain Obvious territory, by the way, but I thought I'd go for it anyway.

This post is gratuitous. To 75k and beyond!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 11:37 PM | Report abuse

(Most of them are gratuitous, aren't they?)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Praise to Redcoat for trying to be a peacemaker...on a 'skins blog.

On another note, may the Dolphins be 0-16!
"So let it be written, let it be done."

Perhaps the worst movie quote of all time.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 15, 2007 11:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm coming out...

Yeah, that's right. I'm delusional because I think the Redskins actually have a chance to be in the big game.

I'm not saying they are, but if I was in Vegas I'd put Abe on it.

To think they have no chance is just hopeless.

Percentage that they will be in the big game: less than 2%. But a chance is hope.

Last five NFC representatives: Rams, Bucs, Panthers, Eagles, then Bears in the Big Game.

Last I checked the 'skins are in the NFC - which although there are favorites, is wide open.

Did anyone predict the Saints would go as far as they did last year?

F "realism" if you call having no hope on your team - a team that has not lost a starter for any part of the season yet; a team that plays a schedule against the AFC East and NFC North and the sorry Bucs and Cards; a team that has a promising young quarterback and a Hall of Fame coach with an impecable post season reacord.

Sure their doomed and I have no reason to hope.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 16, 2007 12:09 AM | Report abuse

once again i don't get it. what is the big deal about being negative? i don't agree with it. i'm hardly ever negative. (i typed that but i think it's the NoCal Ganja talking.) but let the people who want to be negative have their peace. this is reminding me of people who were telling americans who were against the war at the start that they are unpatriotic. maybe jack knows something we don't.

jack is a fan just like everyone else up here. let him have a say. and if you don't like what he has to say then don't read his comments.

and jack, GM thing is a dead horse. Loudoun county sherrif's dept. actually issued us a citation for being cruel to a carcas. and that was last year.

Posted by: littery | August 16, 2007 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Cashew Chicken is in fourth!

Why are Joe Cole and Bobby Convey not playing?!!!

Posted by: bangkokben | August 16, 2007 12:28 AM | Report abuse

The curse of the Cashew Chicken captain continues...first Rooney, then Ronaldo. Watch out Hahnemann!

Posted by: bangkokben | August 16, 2007 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Cashew Chicken, I picked up Convey too. Stupid move, dumb patriotism. Figured it would be a harmless gesture in the AUS vs USA theme of the fantasy league. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

But then, I don't exactly have high expectations anyway...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Attention Negativers. If you really enjoy wallowing in the depths of self-pity and doubt, then check out the 'preseason power rankings' at pft. The good news is that they would have the Skins picking in a lower spot in the next draft (10th instead of 6th), but all the doom and gloom here is re-tread and tightly bundled there. The rose parade of fault: the roster full of former #2 receivers; the secondary needing to make all the tackles; the multi-headed coaching cadre; the warranty on the #1 RB expiring; the overly complex O-scheme. And, of course, The Owner (though they acknowledge that is only a maybe).

Positivers, pay no mind. No link provided. In every weakness there is opportunity to conquer ... Lao Tzu (of course, I'm paraphrasing).

Anyway, that site is plenty wrong plenty of the time ... anyway.

Posted by: dcsween | August 16, 2007 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Alright I'm off to bed and back to the salt mines tomorrow so I can no longer be of use in the late night sessions.

Ah summer vacation I hardly knew ya.

HTTR!

Posted by: sfskin | August 16, 2007 1:26 AM | Report abuse

i like that sween. 14-2 here we come! we're gonna party like it's 1991! again.

Posted by: littery | August 16, 2007 1:39 AM | Report abuse

Nate, I know Convey does appeal to this expat's patriotism. Still the guy can play and is arguably the reason Reading moved up to the Premeirship. Unfortunately for him, his replacement played fantasic in his stead. Still, not even being named to the substitutes is getting old. Apparently his health is not an issue.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 16, 2007 4:21 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: The Crickets | August 16, 2007 4:49 AM | Report abuse

Sure the Saints made it far but they added Drew Breeze in the off season. Which is a proven QB. The Redskins had three clear weak spots. D-line which is a HUGE weak spot, Offensive guard, and Wide Out. They did nothing to improve those spots. What wins in football? A great QB, with a great O-line, and a great D-line on the other side of the ball.

The Skins have a questionable QB behind a questionable O-line (sure they were great last year but that was then), and a horrid horrid horrid D-line.

7-9 at best unless the defense finds a way to be top 5 which I doubt with that D-line.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 16, 2007 7:26 AM | Report abuse

Let's see, Mr. Anonymous.

2006 - questionable QB
2007 - questionable QB

2006 - great O-line
2007 - questionable O-line

2006 - horrid horrid horrid D-line
2007 - horrid horrid horrid D-line

In 2006, Redskins were 5-12.
In 2007, Redskins should be about 3-13, based on your detailed professional assessment.

So how did you get 7-9 out of that mess?

Maybe that's some kind of new math?

Posted by: The Professor | August 16, 2007 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Yes, I know the Skins were 5-11 in 2006. But that last Giants game (debacle) should have counted as two losses with Tiki running amok.

Posted by: The Professor | August 16, 2007 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Here is my winning formula.

2JC + 8CP + 6LB + 2MS + 10CC + 9SM + 6ARE + 2BL + 3JT + 22SS = 9-7

Posted by: The Professor | August 16, 2007 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Anonymous,

It is easy to look back and say the reasons the Saints improved were Drew Brees or Reggie Bush or a combination of the two. However, the question I proposed was: Did you think they would be as good as they were before the season? Drew Brees had big question marks prior to last year. Is his shoulder 100%? Can he do the same thing without LT or Antonio Gates? Will he be Chad Pennington after shoulder surgery?

All legit questions. Still the possibility of Brees being great and overcoming a horrific defense was there too.

The year after the Ravens won the SB they upgraded at QB (Grbac for Dilfer) and the results were pretty crummy.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 16, 2007 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Heard an interesting thing on Sirius NFL channell recently. The question was, is it normal to run stunt blitzes in preseason a la the Titans last week against JC. The host said no, Defenses don't normally do that....but he went on to say that it was the best thing for JC (given the caveat he walked away from hit...) to see those corner blitzes in a meaningles game b/c he can start to read it in the future, so Tenn did us a favor.

The host (I think old Steelers backup QB Jim Miller) even said its not unheard of to have coaches ask other staffs to run certain plays to get players to experience them....

Just thought I would share.....

Posted by: chris Larry | August 16, 2007 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Furthermore,

Every team has three clear weak spots. It's a matter of match-ups. Are team A's weak spots bigger than team B's weak spots every week not to mention the unexpected injury.

Philly losing MacDougle and Moats can be huge.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 16, 2007 8:47 AM | Report abuse

You know, we were 31 total points away last year from an 11-5 record. Crazy as that seems with all the problems we had. But if the defense is truly as good as it looks, they could cut that kind of margin to about 17 points. That leaves the offense to come up with an additional 10 points, and special teams to run even one more back than they did last year. Not saying we will, mind you, just sort of running things around in my head.

Posted by: Montana'Skins Fan | August 16, 2007 8:50 AM | Report abuse

CL,

Love the info.

BTW, how many Chris Larrys are there? Is there a code as to which letters get caps? ;)

Posted by: bangkokben | August 16, 2007 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Montana,

Certainly in the realm of possibility - albeit slim. Also, can you get that extra 31 points in the right situations or like the case two years ago, all against the 49ers.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 16, 2007 8:53 AM | Report abuse

OnlY one chris larry......

The story behind the the caps:

I am a agressive and fast typer on a small laptop keyboard, so my fingers hit caps lock often. Over these many months of commenting the stored "handles" on the blog have all been cached, so now when I type "C" into the field all my past mistakes are there....now I just pick random versions of Chris Larry b/c along with the "F" its sorta my thing.....but there all me baby!

Posted by: chris laRry | August 16, 2007 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Love the caps!
F the caps!

HTTR!

Posted by: bangkokben | August 16, 2007 8:59 AM | Report abuse

cL,

Nice little tid-bit of info.

Thanks

Posted by: Mark (in 21132) | August 16, 2007 9:08 AM | Report abuse

An AP article on the "700 page playbook" with a positive spin, of course.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Am1gxonYdMLYIt6Lj9BFBYab2bYF?slug=ap-redskins-700pages&prov=ap&type=lgns

What the SJK is the legth of that link?

Posted by: bangkokben | August 16, 2007 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Pro-Football Talk, is stating that there is a possibility that Philly also has lost their Pro-Bowl guard, Shawn Andrews, possibly for the season. Hate to see injuries like that. Just thankful it's not our guys.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | August 16, 2007 9:31 AM | Report abuse

It looks like everyone has plenty of real work to do. I'll check out and catch up tomorrow. Then carry on the nightshift's march to 77,777!

Posted by: bangkokben | August 16, 2007 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Kost, I emailed you to get the NFL.com link again to rejoin. Didn't realize I hadn't done so, sorry for that.

Ben, thanks for the shout. I believe the phrase is "blessed are the cheesemakers" or something like that, I was just trying to help out.

And 0-16 for the Dolphins? Don't, just don't. The way last year started I really thought that was where we were going, but we turned it around - eventually - and convinved Saban that he couldn't hack it 'up here' in the process, so it wasn't all bad.

If we go 1-0 and lose the rest of the season I won't be happy, but at least I'll be able to hold my head up on here - metaphorically speaking.

Posted by: Redcoat | August 16, 2007 9:36 AM | Report abuse

I'm turning over a new positive leaf, the Skins are the best team in football and I don't want to hear anything to the contrary!!!!! 19 - 0 baby!!!!! We're unstoppable, its a fact, we're just that talented at every position that nobody can compete with us much less dream of beating us.....did you see the smackdown we put on the Titans? It was brutal, plus all the victories we piled up last season coupled with the fact that all of our weaknesses were addressed in the offseason means we are not only the perfect team but the perfect front office and I have total faith that we can sustain this excellence moving forward. It so fun being optimistic and positive!

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 9:38 AM | Report abuse

"Warren still waiting

Defensive tackle Gerard Warren is waiting to be traded.

Through his friend, Darnell Davis, Warren said he has come to terms with the Broncos' decision to trade him. All he is waiting for is the call to make it official. Indianapolis and Washington are among the teams Denver is still talking to about Warren.

"Gerard is happy, he's just waiting to hear what's next," Davis said. "He wants the Denver fans to know he enjoyed his time here. He has no hard feelings."

Warren is still being paid a training camp per diem by the Broncos, but he didn't travel with the team to San Francisco for Monday's game or to Dallas on Tuesday. The Broncos maintain that Warren could remain with the team and they may be leaning toward that option rather than cutting him. If that's the case, Warren would be back Monday.

"

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_6634288

Posted by: 4th | August 16, 2007 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Redcoat,

I don't wish the misery on you but for would love to Don Shula and his group of 14-0 guys drink to it.

Great record but so what if someone goes 16-0.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 16, 2007 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Bankokben,

Good article... Yesterday, I think someone posted a link to the same article from a Local DC news channel. Let's hope that they can unleash the wrath of that offense this year... I certainly wouldn't expect them to be firing on all cylinders by Week 1 or 2, but if the Defense steps up like they should, that will make a world of difference in giving the Offense ample time to Gel and keeping us in games so we can win a few more instead of losing several game by 3-7 pts...

I'm just hoping everyone is healthy for (and after) the last preseason game so all the starters have time to work together in real game. The lingering injuries (Samuels, Portis, Lloyd, now Wade...) could be crucial as to how quick we start the year...

Posted by: E in VB | August 16, 2007 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Every year I complain that I don't get the studio analysis over here. Well, not this year. It seems that FOX after thinking what ex-Cowboy do we not have working here has hired...arguably the worst coach to ever win a Super Bowl, Barry Switzer!

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/mccarthy/2007-08-14-Switzer-Johnson_N.htm

BTW, Jack your full of SJK. Your reasons for being negative are just as valid as mine to be positive. I'm sorry that your life is so full of disappointment.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 16, 2007 9:49 AM | Report abuse

The Steelers game this weekend should provide a great opportunity to evaluate depth in the LB and secondary. In my book, Charlie Batch is currently the best #2 QB in the league. Frankly, I'm not sure why they didn't put him in mid0season and pull Big Ben last year (other than the fact he's their franchise QB, won them a Lombardi, and needed to get his mental game straight again). Batch should help identify the chaff for the 75 man cut coming up soon.

Posted by: dcsween | August 16, 2007 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Wow Jack! Did you have a VISION before bed last night? I can tell that it even PAINS you to try to be positive.

So what is your honest prediction for this year? Furthermore, if you don't even have the slightest bit of hope that we could clinch the division or a wildcard in the weak NFC, why even bother and follow the daily happenings with the Skins?

Posted by: E in VB | August 16, 2007 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Actually Ben it's Don Shula and his group of 17-0 guys. Sorry about that.

I don't agree with the whole 'cracking open the champale when the last undefeated loses' carp (SJK) but how else are those old guys going to get their faces on TV again - if only for 15 seconds.

Based on Jack's post above do we have to say "Sorry New Jack's Kids" now?

Posted by: Recdcoat | August 16, 2007 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I'm not being negative, I said I'm being positive its more fun.....how many yards you think lloyd and thrash will combine for? I'm thinking in the 1800 yard range, and probably 12 TD's, that's gonna be a pretty sweet compliment to Santana!

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Barry Switzer?!?!? Heaven help us..........

Comedy central should run a pregame show in Daily Show style...that would be a hoot....these other network crapola are unwatchable.....

Posted by: chris laRry | August 16, 2007 9:58 AM | Report abuse

If your looking for a reason to hate today. Look no further than here: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2007-07-23-top-25-voting_N.htm

Top 25 players of the last 25 years. D. Green ranks only 38.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 16, 2007 9:58 AM | Report abuse

"Redskins Notes: Journeyman Mike Pucillo will start at left guard Saturday against Pittsburgh in place of injured Todd Wade (bruised shoulder), assistant head coach-offense Joe Bugel said. Wade, who has struggled transitioning to guard, missed practice again last night and might not suit up this weekend. Bugel, who said he is eager to establish his line -- the club is trying to replace departed starting guard Derrick Dockery -- praised Pucillo's work ethic and wants to see how he handles the challenge Saturday.

"We've got to get that [starting lineup] squared away and get some chemistry," Bugel said.

"

Translation - Todd SUCKED in the 1st preseason game so we are going to put in this other guy to see what he has (even though I know he sucks even worse)....

Posted by: 4th | August 16, 2007 10:01 AM | Report abuse

E, realistically, which I'm not being anymore, as the roster is currently comprised I think 8 - 8 would be a good year, and who knows, 8-8 has snuck in before and might again, shoot, if Mcnabb gets hurt, and TO blows up 8 - 8 might win the division. But that doesn't matter, cause we're now going undefeated I'm sure of it.

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 10:01 AM | Report abuse

See, part of my negativity in the past has been that I have for years been getting tricked by our owner and the coaches about how great our offseason was and gotten very geeked up for the season every year only to be disappointed. So my thoughts had been to try and be realistic this year and realize that this is a building season for JC and a roster that has some very nice pieces to it but also some serious holes and that we are a ways away from serious contention, but I have learned the error of that thinking thanks to this blog and its loyal/abusive optimists and now realize the perfect of this roster and the sheer fact that we are not just legitimate super bowl contenders but are in fact the favorites.

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Re garding Montana Skins Fan....
" You know, we were 31 total points away last year from an 11-5 record. "


It's an easy trap that I fall into as well...the -- if that happens if this happens-- game. The flip side of your coin is ... We were 19 points away from going 1-15. It took an amazing fluke play to beat Dallas ( Blocked FG w/ return etc)...It took overtime to beat Jax (in which we gave up 13 points in the final 10 minutes...Carolina was on the game winning drive when The Reaper picked the ball off in the end zone. New Orleans had the WORST game of their season losing 16-10 to a Skins team that had NOTHING to play for. ANYHOW, it works both ways. It sure is a fun game to play however !!!!!

Posted by: SkinzFan in Dallas | August 16, 2007 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Man Jack chill out.....obviouly be skeptical, I don't why you ever bought they hype...teams are in the buisness of spin and message control and they have a product to sell...what are they gonna say "man were gonna suck this year!"

But at the same time we love the skins/FB because its FUN....does it break our heart...YES..but we come back b/c its not work/family/daily life/its thrilling/its a fresh start every week...etc etc....

So in August when everyone is 0-0 and the smell of potential is there lets at least not crush ourselves in endless kevetching...thats what November is for when we are the only NFC team out of contention!

Posted by: Chris laRry | August 16, 2007 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Dudes, not another day of this up here, please.

I get it. We all get it. We all love the Redskins, and for some of us that love is the warm and fuzzy kind which creates optimism for each new season, and for others of us it's a tough love, wary and skeptical, which wants to see results.

And of course there's friction between the two viewpoints. Of course! But it bears noting that they sprung from the same source, that deep and abiding love of the team and desire for it to succeed!

- Captain Obvious

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I'm not, I said I'm being positive! We're the best!

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Wow. Jack is just mean.

We have plenty of time to be miserable. That's what the regular season is for. Right now it's time for some optimism. Am I concerned? Absolutely. But the truth is, at this point no one knows how the season will play out.

Posted by: etrod | August 16, 2007 10:27 AM | Report abuse

F cHris Larry

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 10:28 AM | Report abuse

The Comedy Central/Daily Show pregame show is a brilliant idea, chris Larry.

In a world where the Onion has a (darn funny) sports page, and the Daily Show has already spun off Colbert, why not give it a shot?

What else are they airing on Sunday morning, Revenge of the Nerds VI?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Well said Nate!

Posted by: Forrest | August 16, 2007 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Montana & Dallas Skins fans, whether its +31 or -19, when you spread that range (50 points ... check my math) over 16 weeks -- 3.125 points - the margin of victory from worst to first (or thereabouts) is not that big. More demonstration of the "any given Sunday" phenom. The rest of the league is also now suffering from major injuries to either a couple of really important guys or to lots of less unimportant guys. That worst-to-first divider is very small and the band is wide. Really, with 53 guys on your roster whose mortgages get paid by playing or getting ready to play football, EVERY team's future falls within two standard deviations on a bell curve.

Hence, the only game of any current relevance is the next one (or, if you recognize what the preseason really is, the next regular season game). I heard a line on Triple X last night ... for guys fighting for a roster spot, the PREseason is THE season.

Posted by: dcsween | August 16, 2007 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I'm not trying to be mean, I was just explaining my past delusions and why I fell into the trap of believing every single person who knows anything about football outside of Redskins park who believes this is a mediocre team. They are obviously wrong but in an offseason of weakness I cheated on the Redskins and began to doubt the talent of this roster. I formally apologize for this and I am now fully back in the Kool-aid line and absolutely know that this is the best team in NFL not just this season but any season.

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Nate the peacemaker. Niice.

Yeh - I'm kinda over the bickering.

Does anyone know if there are any 'Skins fan clubs down here in ol' Miamuh that get together for games?

Opening day I've got a great place to watch, but after that - it's kinda scarce.

Thanks y'all!

Posted by: Dik | August 16, 2007 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I had forgotten that Fan stands for fanatic and means that we have to be completely illogical and totally blind to evidence and probability and that we are required to be blissfully ignorant and blindly hopeful for our team. It's a lot like being religious. And I forgot this, and I'm sorry.

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Okay, Captain Obvious again --

I think what got everything riled up yesterday is not the difference of opinions itself but the way we react to each other up here.

And that -- maintaining a relatively civil debate -- is something the blog has historically had trouble with, myself included. Smack to my own head just to get the ball rolling.

As rational as our specific arguments themselves may be (positivers, negativers, whateverers), our love of the team, the nature of being a fan, is itself irrational.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Jack is back. Oh yeah!

Posted by: Kool-Aid Man | August 16, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

You're absolutely right DCsween. Any given Sunday! Look at last year Betts fumble in the Rams game, the TD pass in Tampa that hit one receiver and was caught by another, late INTs, penalties........ This team could have easily been 8-8 last year and vying for a playoff spot. Any given Sunday!

Posted by: Forrest | August 16, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Jack, buddy, you're not helping me here. I'm trying to bring the discussion forward, out of yesterday's quagmire.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Sorry again.....

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 10:45 AM | Report abuse

re DC SWEEN

ok...+31 -19 divide by 16 ...carry the one...move the four over here...bring the 2 down...either way you cut it it works out to be 5-11. To quote Bill Parcells "You are what you are". Numbers can be spun anyway you want. Your point, dcsween, is VERY valid. That makes it frustrating that we seem to be running in place every year. 2005 can be seen as a run of great luck (again if you want to play the numbers game) Meanwhile, the past 5,6,8 years has been the same story with the same ending.

Posted by: SkinzFan in Dallas | August 16, 2007 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Who thinks Carter will have 12 sacks? I do! I do!

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

...don't forget that the angle of the dangle is perportional to the heat of the meat.

Posted by: etrod | August 16, 2007 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Lt. Jim Dangle?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Fan in Dallas, that is dangerously close to the reasoning I've been espousing for weeks, we are just good enough every year to be middle of the pack, but that is negative and that is not allowed here!!!! you must be positive!!!!!

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

What a tool.

Posted by: Black and Decker | August 16, 2007 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Jack, come on already, dude. This is tiresome.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Our friend Jack is approaching ITA territory.

Posted by: etrod | August 16, 2007 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Who thinks Jack is just an A$$? I do! (RFSFJK) Really Feeling Sorry For Jack's Kids

Posted by: Forrest | August 16, 2007 10:57 AM | Report abuse

I mean, it's all right as a way to get some comments going in the absence of new news, but it's tiresome.

What's our comment count anyway, I wonder? Cindy? MV Dame?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

lol, I can't win with you guys, when I'm negative I get yelled at and called names, when I'm positive and tell others to be as well, I get yelled at and called names. Nate this would seem to go against your idea of civil debate and kind reactions to eachother. I don't know what to do anymore, you guys tell me, what am I supposed to say? We're good but not the best, we're not bad but not great, we're bad, we're good, we're the best, we're the worst, we're old, we're to young, I just can't form my own opinions anymore. The abuse I've taken here has rendered me opinionless and I don't know what to do!

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Let's move this in a positive direction. (Really positive, not obnoxious, sarcastic positive)

I'd like to know who everyone's all-time top 5 Favorite Redskins are.

Posted by: etrod | August 16, 2007 11:03 AM | Report abuse

etrod - I was just about to write that.

The only thing is, JACK is beyond ITA territory.

JAck - Quit it. It's too early in the preseason to be acting like a (insert your name) A$$. (SJK)

ITA

Posted by: 4th | August 16, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Darrell Green
Art Monk
Sonny
Sam
The hogs (I count them as one person!)

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Nothing like the hometown paper calling out the team to focus them on doing exactly what you had hoped could be minimized:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07228/809887-66.stm

Posted by: dcsween | August 16, 2007 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Maybe try not being a jack-off...

Posted by: chris laRry | August 16, 2007 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Jack, I said right up there that we've all had trouble maintaining civil debate up here, myself included. Allowing people like you and Ricky Bobby to vent your burgundy and gold spleen is one of the blog's great services to Redskins Planet.

But you're not helping, dude. You seem to relish stirring up the hornet's nest again, not with your negativity about the team but with your intentionally provocative behavior up here. I guess it's funny from where you're sitting, but as I said it's getting tiresome.

I know, I know, cue the Bizarro Barney Fife dude who hates me acting like I'm the hall monitor up here.

Look, if we all got together and watched a Skins game this Saturday or next month, we would be a LOT more in tune with each other than we seem to be up here. Happy about the good plays, miserable about the bad plays.

Because again it all goes back to loving this stupid wonderful team. Is all I'm saying.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

1. Darrell Green
2. Art Monk
3. Monte Coleman
4. Brian Mitchell
5. Ken Harvey
6-10. Sean Taylor

Posted by: etrod | August 16, 2007 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Jack, you are acting your kids age now...and I don't even know their ages...but you are being childish.

If you don't like the team or have any hopes, then why bother following them or blogging? Just suffer in silence.

Posted by: Lisa | August 16, 2007 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Riggo
Darrell
Monk
Monte Coleman
Dexter

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Monte Coleman
Joe Theisman
Stephen Davis
Kelvin Bryant
Brian Mitchell

Posted by: chris laRry | August 16, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

See that's just not nice you guys, I've never called people names!!! and thats what started my whole sarcastic rant today (and yesterday), its fine to disagree with anyone but most of the people on here are unable to form a logical argument and resort to name calling and illogical optimism which finally got to me yesterday. I like the skins just as much as the next guy but I just don't think they're a good team right now, and no amount of continued abuse is going to change that. Do I hope they win it all, of course, but I'm not betting on it, and that's all I've been trying to say. And most of you all have no desire to here anything remotely realistic but can't make a good case against so you just resort to be jerks.


And I really wanted to put Stephen Davis in my top five......can I have a top 6?

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Monte gets mad love today on here....

Jack...have a Jack and coke already man.....jeesh

Posted by: cHRis larry | August 16, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

New Post Needed.

Help!

"Did You Know?
Chargers Head Coach Norv Turner coached wide receivers and tight ends for the Los Angeles Rams from 1985-90. -- Chargers.com

"

This was when Coryell and Saunders were head coaches.....

Posted by: 4th | August 16, 2007 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Jack, Stephen Davis sounds good, but wouldn't you need a 7th to get Michael Westbrook in there on top of him?

Posted by: dcsween | August 16, 2007 11:19 AM | Report abuse

4th, Saunders was an 'interim head coach' pending the hiring of a replacement.

Posted by: dcsween | August 16, 2007 11:20 AM | Report abuse

oops, 4th, I misread your question. Never mind. Btw, I'm glad your back. You, your expectant wife, and son are still in my thoughts. How is the pregnancy going? Third trimester now, right?

Posted by: dcsween | August 16, 2007 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Jack no one have a problem with how you see the team. Nor do most of us think the team is SB team. However, to keep blasting to the team about every little thing is pre season is what gets under our skin. Your sarcastic rant are no better than the name calling.

4th great to see you back in the house my friend.

Posted by: jm220 | August 16, 2007 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Is Don Coryell in the hall of fame? I'm too lazy to research right now.

Coryell should be right there with Bill Walsh (RIP).

There are basically 2 schools of offense in the NFL right now, West Coast (Efficient) and Air Coryell (Explosive).

Posted by: etrod | August 16, 2007 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Some time soon, peeps are going to stop piling on Jack, right?

Calling Stumped, calling Stumped! Come quickly and bring the turban!

Posted by: dcsween | August 16, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Jack - your sarcasm and redundancy is really f'ing annoying to read through. Make one point and move on.

Posted by: cdubb | August 16, 2007 11:25 AM | Report abuse

1. Michael Westbrook
2. Dana Stubbefield
3. Desmond Howard
4. Brandon Lloyd
5. Brian Davis ( for all you white CB lovers out there )

Oh wait...posted the wrong list...let me think about the actual question.

Posted by: SkinzFan in Dallas | August 16, 2007 11:25 AM | Report abuse

SkinzFan in Dallas
LMGO!

Posted by: jm220 | August 16, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

In no particular order:

Monte Coleman
Darryl Green
Donnie Warren
Neal Olkewicz
Charley Taylor

Posted by: Forrest | August 16, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

1. Clint Didier
2. Mister Marcus Washington
3. Darrell Green
4. Art Monk
5. Gary Clark

These aren't the BEST redskins...just my fav 5

Posted by: SkinzFan in Dallas | August 16, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

dc, only if westbrook can bring his scissors.

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Charlie T
Riggo
Daryl Green
Dexter
The Reaper

Posted by: jm220 | August 16, 2007 11:28 AM | Report abuse

1. Sonny
2. Sonny
3. D. Green
4. Chip Lohmiller
5. Mo Elinowebi (do they actually have to be good?)

** If the answer to #5 is yes, the switch Clinton Portis for #2 and Sean Taylor for #5.

Posted by: dcsween | August 16, 2007 11:29 AM | Report abuse

see I try and move on but people just have to continue to be mean.

I propose we all just let it go!!!!!! Me included.......

its slipping
slipping
slipping
there, for me its gone

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Jack, I know the feeling. That's why I call my version MY-lanta.

Posted by: dcsween | August 16, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Might have been mentioned already up here, but it sounds like the Eagles have lost both McDougle and Moats for the season.

Posted by: 4-12 | August 16, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Smack to the back of my own damn head for responding to Jack.

ITA time

Posted by: jm220 | August 16, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Little known, or of little import:

My Dad (big skins fan...) taught 6th grade to all of Dan Warren's kids...as well as Ray Brown for that matter.....

talk about daunting parent/teacher conferences!!!!!!!

Posted by: chris larry | August 16, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

While Portis did single handily get us in the playoffs one year, as a Redskin he hasn't had as many good seasons as Riggo, Davis, or Byner, right now despite the franchise record year he has as many great seasons for us as Terry Allen. He's got a chance though if he can get healthy.

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

4-12, the Eagles also lost their starting right guard, Shawn Andrews, for the season due to knee bustage.

Posted by: dcsween | August 16, 2007 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Sween and JM220!

Due date is 12/20. 12-8=4. So she is about 5 months or so. We found out we(she) is having a boy.

My favs are all from the 90s (actually '93-'99) since those were my most vivid years (high school).

1. Ken Harvey
2. Tre Johnson
3. Henry Ellard
4. Brian Mitchell
5. Terry Allen

Now, these are the Redskins I remember. Oh, those were the years (sigh). Who cares about old polks like Jurgenson, Huff, Bobby Mitchell, Charly Taylor, Riggo, and some pigs anyway?

Posted by: 4th | August 16, 2007 11:35 AM | Report abuse

talk about daunting parent/teacher conferences!!!!!!!

Posted by: chris larry | August 16, 2007 11:32 AM

Your Dad probably ignited the heated conferences with his use of the "F" bomb...apple doesn't fall far from the tree, CL?

Posted by: CC | August 16, 2007 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Monk
Green
Riggo
The Hogs (they count as 1 entry, right?)
Dexter

Posted by: 4-12 | August 16, 2007 11:37 AM | Report abuse

As in F the cowboys! sure..........

Posted by: chris larry | August 16, 2007 11:37 AM | Report abuse

chris Larry, of even less import and less well known, the brother of one of my drinking buddies (a British dude) has a daughter in the same class as Jimmy Page's daughter. On parent night, when the parents sat in their kids seats (1st graders), he got to sit right next to Jimmy Page, who I'm sure was feeling top of his game.

On that thought, maybe the Negativers are being intentionally negative, but they just have that Zep tune "The Song Remains the Same" in their heads.

Posted by: dcsween | August 16, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07227/809478-66.stm

Yesterday's PGH paper's Steeler notebook... Willie Davis is starting Saturday; Steel starters will be in for about 20 plays, and I'd guess 15 of those will be runs. We should get a better sense of our D front from that than we did from KerryCo & Co. last Saturday, I think.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

4th, I forgot about Tre Johnson, I went to the Detroit playoff game and I'll never forget when Robert Porcher late hit Brad Johnson and Tre ran from across the field after the play and blasted him starting a fight that led to his ejection to a standing ovation, it was one of the greatest moments I remember watching the skins, that was awesome.

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 11:39 AM | Report abuse

The Onion has an awesome podcast on iTunes (the Onion News Network). You must subscribe if you're a The Onion fan. The one with the baby panda requesting an abortion is an instant classic. Almost as funny as "Clinton sends vowels to Bosnia" and "Trophy Wife Mounted". I wish the WashPo would bring out The Onion headlines for their annual celebration of Watergate...

Posted by: P Diddy | August 16, 2007 11:39 AM | Report abuse

This is encouraging:

The only thing wrong with Frost's performance against the Titans was that with eight punts, he was too busy. 'Frosty' was kicking the leather off of the ball all day, with punts of 52, 53, 53, 55, 47, 31, 44, and 43 yards. The 31-yarder was from the 50-yard line and was a case of having limited field to kick to, and his leg was probably worn out by kicks seven and eight. Throw out the short one for the limited field, and Frost averaged 49.5 yards per punt - for a punter that's struggled with consistency and confidence at times, that's a nice start to the season.

Courtesy of the Hogs net

Posted by: Forrest | August 16, 2007 11:40 AM | Report abuse

We're just about almost exactly at 74,175.

Posted by: MV Dame | August 16, 2007 11:41 AM | Report abuse

4th.....everytime I see you post I say a prayer....much happiness on the good news in your life

But man your makin me feel old!...

Posted by: chris larry | August 16, 2007 11:41 AM | Report abuse

" ... Your Dad probably ignited the heated conferences with his use of the "F" bomb...apple doesn't fall far from the tree, CL?"

Posted by: CC | August 16, 2007 11:35 AM

F apples (as in response to the question, "waddya think of THEM apples?").

Posted by: dcsween | August 16, 2007 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Cyn Cyty suggested we might hit 75K sometime on Friday. Might be tough but we'll definitely have it no later than Saturday morning, I suspect...

Posted by: MV Dame | August 16, 2007 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Who cares about old polks like Jurgenson, Huff, Bobby Mitchell, Charly Taylor, Riggo, and some pigs anyway?


Posted by: 4th | August 16, 2007 11:35 AM

*gasp* *choke* *gag* *cough*
I know you're joking though 4th. Right?

Posted by: 4-12 | August 16, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Favorite 'Skins...surprised no one has mentioned Doug Williams yet...

For me:
1. The Posse (but Art Monk if you force me to pick one)
2. Joe Jacoby and his massive TheatreVision and wife Irene
3. Darrell Green
4. Sonny Jurgensen (though I never saw him play)
5. Doug Williams

But there were so many from the Gibbs I era...such amazing personalities: I still adore Mark Rypien and see him all the time here in Seattle (and always mention how much I adored him as a kid :-) ). Brian Mitchell and his breakout rookie year will always stand out in my mind (Sonny: "He does it every week!"). Didier and Warren. Wow, I could go on forever.

Nostalgia is a dangerous thing. It evokes great memories, but it also prevents you from seeing the future. The team's future: not so bright.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 16, 2007 11:44 AM | Report abuse

All time favorite Onion Healine for me is "Special Olympics Teeball Stand Pitches Perfect Game"

It's one of those things that you hate yourself for laughing at.

Posted by: etrod | August 16, 2007 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Of little import, lewd and probably a mistake in posting....

My youngest bro (20) was hangin with a daughter of an ex-hog who might just be a coach.....and had topless pics on his cell phone....

He was a gentlemen and deleted them....after showing me....

Posted by: chris larry | August 16, 2007 11:44 AM | Report abuse

4th, at this point everyone hates me and prolly couldn't care less, but I heard about all your stuff when I got back from vacation and never said anything but my thoughts have been with you and your family and I wanted to send my well wishes and sorry for not expressing that sooner than now.

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 11:45 AM | Report abuse

My repeated theme Its a New ERA....think of the season from that view point as a starter be postive but real so ....playing with a legit chance to make a wild card in december....read my earlier post ...essentially we have gone about things ass backwords ..... now we are moving in a new direction, I think the goal around here is never to completely rebuild but to try and win and reload, thats failed for quite a while because of the poor foundation on which we have heaped money and poor decisions..... I think that is over... I am not sure, but this year and next will be the proof

Posted by: Old School | August 16, 2007 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of Boren's Ultimatum, currently 77,777 by Skins opening game... yeah, we're going to have to revisit that since we'll be hitting five seven's sometime next week.

The New Boren Ultimatum:

88,888 by Skins Opening Game (9/9/07)

Posted by: MV Dame | August 16, 2007 11:45 AM | Report abuse

sween- I hadn't seen that about their guard Andrews. Damn.

Posted by: 4-12 | August 16, 2007 11:45 AM | Report abuse

We need a little over 600 per day. Tough, but doable...

Posted by: MV Dame | August 16, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

No wilbur marshall or gary clark fans out there, huh?

Did Madden talk too much on "how tough this guy is"?

That 3 x 1000 yd season was one of the greatest ever.

Posted by: Pub Golf | August 16, 2007 11:48 AM | Report abuse

4-12, that loss of Moats is gonna be a bad one for them. I bet they bring back Reno Mahe for him.

One more injury to a significant player on the Cowboys and the NFC East will be back to parity. [I think I read that Molinaro is out for the season in Dallas, but I don't think he was supposed to start anyway.]

Posted by: dcsween | August 16, 2007 11:49 AM | Report abuse

1. D. Green
2. Monk
3. Joey T. (only when I pretend he is a mute, he falls off the list when opens his mouth)
4. Monte Coleman
5. Alvin Walton

Posted by: bangkokben | August 16, 2007 11:50 AM | Report abuse

But wasn't Molinaro always out for the season when he "played" here?

Posted by: 4-12 | August 16, 2007 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Sadly, those of us not in DC won't be able to participate in the live blogging extravaganza since the game is on delay on NFL Network. I hate that Sunday Ticket doesn't give you live preseason games. So idiotic.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 16, 2007 11:51 AM | Report abuse

That might hurt our numbers mightily, Viscount...

Posted by: MV Dame | August 16, 2007 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Man the Eagles might be in trouble.

Posted by: jm220 | August 16, 2007 11:54 AM | Report abuse

The Eagles loss of Shawn Andrews had not yet made it to Peter King, who picked him for his own 2007 fantasy team (why he picks individual O-lineman, I dunno). Lookee what he thinks:

G | Shawn Andrews | Philadelphia Eagles
He's the Eagles' best player today, which is saying something when you consider how many great players this franchise has produced in the last decade. He's a strong, athletic drive-blocker.

Posted by: dcsween | August 16, 2007 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Diddy, you're not going to be up at 7am Sunday to watch the replay?

By the way, is that 7am Eastern, or 7am Pacific?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 11:55 AM | Report abuse

larry brown
sonny
riggo
d.green
bmitch

the reality is just about everyone who wears the uniform.

Posted by: Old School | August 16, 2007 11:56 AM | Report abuse

On a different note, how many people here are season ticket holders? My wife and I are coming up for the Arizona game and it would be fun to catch up with people from here and tailgate. We have a orange pass and can host but if anyone regularly tailgates and doesn't mind a pessimist but die hard fan in their midst I'll bring the beer!

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Jack,

I'm such a pessimist that I gave mine up. I'm going to Dallas this year and that's it.

Posted by: etrod | August 16, 2007 12:00 PM | Report abuse

jack- I gave mine up too this year. Ricky Bobby still has his, at least for one more year..

Posted by: 4-12 | August 16, 2007 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Jack, I'd be stunned if you could be pessimistic whilst tailgating before the Arizona game. Come on, dude!

I know you'll be as pumped as the other 98,375 people in the stadium for that one, notwithstanding those with obstructed view seats.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 16, 2007 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Riggins
Darrell Green
Dexter Manley
Wilbur Marshall
Brain Mitchell

Honorable mention Monk, Gary Clark, Rypien, Doug Williams, Timmy Smith for a day, The Hogs, Ken Houston, Stephen Davis, Charles Mann

Posted by: skinswest | August 16, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I've been on the waiting list for like 8 years now, but I try to get good seats for one game a year, this time budget was a little tight and Zona was cheapist.

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Jack,

A little season ticket waiting list helpful hint: This offseason, call the office and say you got a voicemail that your seats were available. Ater a little arguing, they will probably accomodate you.

Posted by: etrod | August 16, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Green
Monk
Jacoby
Riggins
Mann

None of Gibbs 2.0 should even be mentioned yet (even Jansen and Samuels). They need to show consistent excellence and actually win something meaningful to be one of my favorites.

I can't say that Baugh and all the other greats are my favorites. I was born in '73, so, even though I appreciate history, I am going with personal memories.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 16, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Oh don't get me wrong, on gameday, I'm just as delusional as everybody else, its just all the other days I'm pessimistic.

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

dcsween - may be a bit premature on the loss of Andrew for the year. He hurt his ankle, same one as his rookie season. In an interview he made it sound bad but Andy Reid said it was not that big a deal. Don't wanna wish injuries on people but that would weaken their line a good deal.

Moats was fighting for a roster spot. After Westbrook they still have Buckhalter around and drafted Tony Hunt from Penn State.

One more thing, F the Eagles.

Posted by: cdubb | August 16, 2007 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Etrod, if I could afford them right now I'd do that, but I think the waiting list might be a positive in my life right now :)

Posted by: Jack | August 16, 2007 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Oooo. Time to vent your spleen here against AA. (it's Skins related)

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/

Posted by: charlie | August 16, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

cdubb, mixed signals out of the Philly organization. See the inset on the right side of the screen. http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/view_content_box.asp?ID=54245 Andrews describes the meeting with specialist as a "tear jerker". Suggests either that Andrews is like the judge in custody hearing over Anna Nicole Smith's baby hearing or that the doctor was chopping onions. He had "no comment" when asked whether it was career-threatening. I dunno, but that sounds kind of serious, or at least more than Reid is letting on.

Posted by: dcsween | August 16, 2007 12:17 PM | Report abuse

7am PDT, Nate. I will be watching on TiVo sometime later in the day :-) With or without booze, there is a zero percent chance I'll be up that early on a Sunday.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 16, 2007 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Correction, TiVo says 11am PDT on Sunday.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 16, 2007 12:21 PM | Report abuse

For the record, even though Archuleta is an anti-negativer, he is NOT a positiver. A positiver does not make excuses and blame others for bring HIM (or her) down. A positiver takes what's coming; its called accountability. In this case, St. Joe has gone a little overboard, accepting responsibility for the poor performance of EVERYONE else (which in unnecessary in true positiverism).

Posted by: dcsween | August 16, 2007 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Thanks CL. 4-12 - Def a joke. I know most of you guys are in your 30s, 40s, 50s so I like poking fun at you guys.

Trying to get back to normal, aka being the redskin fanatic that I am, I realized is the best thing to get my mind in a happy place. I think about my daughter ALL of the time and cracking jokes here and there brings my spirits up, hence the old polks comments.

again, I appreciatte everyone for their thoughts, prayers, and concerns. Including you Jack....

Posted by: 4th | August 16, 2007 12:26 PM | Report abuse

found Stumped's turban. NOW. beep beep.

Posted by: dcsween | August 16, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Last! I reign again MV Dame!

Posted by: 4th | August 16, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Au contraire, mon frère. You reign in vain.

Posted by: MV Dame | August 16, 2007 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Victoire c'est moi!

Posted by: Redcoat | August 16, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Your victory, like most english victories, was short-lived.

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 16, 2007 8:44 PM | Report abuse

with your silly knees-bent running about!

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 16, 2007 9:09 PM | Report abuse

wait ... if he's about to cut, let's trade a first round pick and give him a $4 million signing bonus.

Posted by: mylo | August 17, 2007 9:52 AM | Report abuse

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