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Morning practice update

The Redskins bumped their practice time up to 11:30 because of the impending inclement weather. Albert Haynesworth was the only player not present, @RickMaese tweets. Clinton Portis and DeAngelo Hall arrived late; they were without helmets and did bit of sidework.

By Cindy Boren  |  December 2, 2009; 12:08 PM ET
 
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Skins 27-24. Saints traveling on short week after big win, outside against good pass D. Our guys are coming home, desparate.

Don't see it as a blowout at all.

DCsween - Saints -9.5, but could move up to 11 or so. Im definitely taking points.

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 2, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Twisi,
I have been an advocate of a salary cap on unproven college players(never will happen), and therefore agree to some extent with you. Trouble is, the best NFL teams have the best QB's. Who knows which if any of the current draft class will excel?
Someone on here will cite Trent Dilfer as an example of not needing one. I say to that he was an anomaly and had a much more ferocious D backing him up and a power running game we haven't had in years.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 2, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Bean - dont know much about Alex Barron - young guy? Have to assume we won't have Samuels, but I'd like Okung and word is he plays better at RT than LT.

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 2, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Anyone go on IR in practice yet today?

Posted by: League-Source | December 2, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

ryp, Barron shut out Jared Allen a few weeks back, which is why I'm up on that guy...

"The Saints had 194 yards passing after the catch"

from the Boston Herald, the Skins DB's need to be tackling this week....can't let these guys get that many yac's...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 2, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

They should put Orapko on IR before he gets hurt!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | December 2, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Shanny may be a good coach. But I dont want him and Vinny making personel decisions. I dont want 280 lb OLinemen. I dont want the WCO in DC.

FIRE VINNY!!!

My drum needs new heads, but I still bangin it like it was Marissa Miller.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | December 2, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | December 2, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I, for one, am tired of the overused excuse that while he may not be the best quarterback out there, he is better than nothing.

The only way this team is ever going to get on with the necessary business of rebuilding itself into a contender is to get rid of the deadwood, underperformers and other mediocre players who present themselves as only barely better than nothing.

Even JC17 admits that it's all about winners and winning -- which is something that he has consistently failed to be and do in almost five full seasons here in your nation's capital.

It's time to cut him free, and wish him every success ahead... but somewhere else please.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 2, 2009 12:17 PM

It's not an "excuse". It is what it is. You may be tired of it, but that's the fact. I, personally, am tired of being held down by gravity. That's my "excuse" for not flying.

It's not time to "cut him free" until we can replace him with someone better. And, given what's out there and the team's other needs, that's not now.

Posted by: League-Source | December 2, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

"The Saints had 194 yards passing after the catch"

Apparently the Saints are also playing a different brand of football then I'm aware of.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | December 2, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

"The Saints had 194 yards passing after the catch"

from the Boston Herald, the Skins DB's need to be tackling this week....can't let these guys get that many yac's...


Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 2, 2009 12:20 PM

They'll also need to know their assignments. At least one of those saints TD's looked like a blown coverage like the skins had against the Broncos and Eagles.

Posted by: skinswest | December 2, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse


Report: Reggie Bush won't be with the Saints in 2010

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Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | December 2, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Cold wet weather is our friend this Sunday. Hoping for nasty weather for the Saints game. Skins may be able to win an ugly game.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 2, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

gator, wow, what was he the #2 overall pick in the draft?? yikes....

skins need to play tight press coverage, jam these guys up right off the line....I think if they go zone, brees will have a Neil Lomax type of day.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 2, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Vic1,
I think you said it well. Campbell doesn't excel in the win-loss column and that is the one that counts. I'd rather win ugly rather than lose with "a lot of heart". It seems like some quarterbacks can just find a way to win (Peyton Manning), and some quarterbacks just find a way to lose. Maybe it is not about any more tangible statistic than win-loss record and that is where Campbell hasn't gotten the job done.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 2, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

someone needs to pull the fire alarm at the Saints hotel too...who lives in the area that can make this happen??

2 people...1 to pull the fire alarm, and another to have bail money ready....

I'm gonna appoint 'te' to pull the alarm, and 'ls' to bail him out....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 2, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

skins need to play tight press coverage, jam these guys up right off the line....I think if they go zone, brees will have a Neil Lomax type of day.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 2, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

If true, tell me that isnt a player that would make Ol' Danny boy's mouth water. If it does play out that way, and he is gone after this year, it would be interesting to see where he goes.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | December 2, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

FF Update

Week 12 is done and just one week is left. In the Peeps league, it was good news for some. But if you scored 81 points, as 3 teams did, you lost.

The two longest win streaks in the league met up and first place was on the line in this week's marquee matchup. A week 1 rematch of Tampa (8-4) and my Futaleufu Swimmers (8-4). For the 2nd time, Tampa took me down, this time by 109-81 score, to move into a first place tie. Tampa had 6 players in double figures while my stars Brady, Fitzgerald and Jackson combined for just 10 points, a mere 35 points below their average.

The Buffaloes (8-4) also joined the group in first place, with a win over the Jackalopes (7-5), by a score of 83-77. Favre led the Buffs with 27 points.

Another 7-5 team, just 1 game out of the lead, is Redcoat's Fins, losers this week to 4-12 (5-7). 4-12 had 4 players exceed 20 points in the 135-81 whupping.

Also at 7-5 is Alex's Zombie Hord, a 117-58 winner over South Hill Skulls. Drew Brees had 35 to lead the Hord's 7 double figure scorers.

In a battle of two teams fighting to stay in the playoff hunt, Future Winners (6-6) overcame East Coast Shaft (5-7), 99-81. Aaron Rodgers, acquired by Future in a trade for Brady, had 23 points this week, 19 more than the Pats QB.

Nate (3-9) fell to Omaha (5-7), 72-64. The Packers defense provided Omaha with 22 points.

6 playoff spots and 2 byes are at stake in next weeks regular season finale. At 8-4 are the Futa, Tampa and the Buffaloes. One game back and safely into the playoffs at 7-5 are the Zombie's and Fins. The Jackalopes are also 7-5, but Future Winners can capture the last playoff spot if he wins and the Jackalopes lose.

This coming week, Future plays the Buffaloes, Tampa plays the Jackalopes and the Futa plays the Zombie Hord -- all games with huge impact on the playoffs and seeding.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 2, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

skins need to play tight press coverage, jam these guys up right off the line....I think if they go zone, brees will have a Neil Lomax type of day.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 2, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

We screwed either way. This secondary will get exposed so badly. Carlos gets double moved to death, Dhall on anyone bigger then 5'10 is a mismatch(all there guys are huge) unless hes jumpin routes we have no chance. Big Shoulda landry is gonna get tourched with his weak @ss kill attempts, watch coston or shockey bounce right off one of those. I cant believe that are most solid secondary player is Reed Doughty.

Posted by: Stu27 | December 2, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

In the Hamster league, my Cal Salmon (9-3) team is alone at the top, following a 106-52 win over Butz (2-10). Justin Forsett, Aaron Rodgers and Donald Driver all topped 20 points for the Salmon.

3 teams are one game back. Zornskins (8-4), scored a 94-64 win over Koolaid Kids (3-9). It sounds wrong, but romo led Zorny with 19 points.

Also one game back are Suzanne's Trippin' Billies (8-4) and 4th's Realskins (8-4). Realskins 78-61 win marked the 1st time all year the Billies have not been in first place. The victors were led by 18 points from the Vikes defense.

3 teams are at 7-5. Dealer (7-5) topped Ham Stweengs (4-8), 95-67 behind 24 from Antonio Gates. Stump's Copro (7-5) team topped the E Funk all Stars (6-6), by a final of 84-71. 30 points from Chris Johnson led Copro. cL's F Bombers (7-5) topped Alpa Chino (3-9) in a game featuring the 2 highest scoring teams of the week, 128-107. The Bombers had 7 players in double figures, 3 over 20 points to overcome Drew Brees' huge game for Alpa.

5 of the 6 playoff spots available are settled, but the 2 byes and the seeding order are still very much TBD, in part due to the odd tiebreaker system. Salmon, Zornskins, Billies, Realskins, and Copro are in. The last spot is between Dealer and E Funk. E Funk is a game back, but should he pull even, it is very close tiebreaker. Games where playoff contenders go head to head, Dealer plays Salmon, Realskins goes up against the F Bombers and E Funk takes on the Billies.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 2, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

gator, you're right, thats the type of cat Danny LOVES, but he's gonna want HUGE, AH type money, and I'm not sure he's worth that....he's talented no doubt but probably not gonna be worth what he's asking for...plus he seems to be nicked up a lot...though there is the Kim K factor....a conundrum indeed....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 2, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Can someone who is smarter than me explain why, with New Orleans approximately 300 miles from Houston, I will be watching the Falcons and the Eagles on Sunday instead of the 'Skins and the Saints here in Houston?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | December 2, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I, for one, am tired of the overused excuse that while he may not be the best quarterback out there, he is better than nothing.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 2, 2009 12:17 PM
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You're absolutely right. I too find the apathetic attitude toward QB bizarre.

Most of us have to compromise in life - we may think our wife is beautiful but she's probably not a "10" in reailty, we may drive a Nissan Altima instead of a MB E-Class, and the like.

But when it comes to sports, I don't think a fan should have to compromise their expectations with all these Milquetoast "he's played below average but he's better than nothing" and "what else can we do?" philosophies.

If the QB you want/need isn't on your roster, you must go out and find him.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 2, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

FIRE VINNY

Posted by: Salinas1 | December 2, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Vic1,
I think you said it well. Campbell doesn't excel in the win-loss column and that is the one that counts. I'd rather win ugly rather than lose with "a lot of heart". It seems like some quarterbacks can just find a way to win (Peyton Manning), and some quarterbacks just find a way to lose. Maybe it is not about any more tangible statistic than win-loss record and that is where Campbell hasn't gotten the job done.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

So I've asked this before, who would be better? We all know what's available out there and no one has offered a solution yet. The last thing we need is change just for the sake of it.

Also, the Chargers said many of the same things about Drew Brees before the took a QB in the first round. Rivers is good, but the Chargers would have won a SB by now if Brees was still there, despite having Norv as the coach.

Surround JC with talent and he will produce. Not saying he'll ever be as good as Brees but look what happened when Brees got some talent around him in San Diego.

Posted by: dcwun | December 2, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I think you said it well. Campbell doesn't excel in the win-loss column and that is the one that counts. I'd rather win ugly rather than lose with "a lot of heart". It seems like some quarterbacks can just find a way to win (Peyton Manning), and some quarterbacks just find a way to lose. Maybe it is not about any more tangible statistic than win-loss record and that is where Campbell hasn't gotten the job done.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 2, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

This is where we disagree. We have solid analysis proving that our offensive line is terrible and we know our running backs are over 30 or have had 2,000 carries. I think it's stupid to try to chock losing up to some intangible BS crap. I think that's the equivalent of Christian Scientist calling it the lord's way instead of seeking medical treatment.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 2, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

"Clinton Portis and DeAngelo Hall arrived late; they were without helmets and did bit of sidework."


They need to be careful about that 'sidework'.

'Sidework' is what got Tiger Woods in trouble.

And if you ask me, his 'sidework' is much better looking than his wife.

There's some 'sidework' on my job I'd like to take more than a golf club to.

Not that I'm endorsing cheating.

A man is going to be a man.

But I do feel that sometimes a lil' sidework is what makes you appreciate your main job.

knowhat'emsayin?

(INSERT wink and nod)

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 2, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Twisi,
I have been an advocate of a salary cap on unproven college players(never will happen), and therefore agree to some extent with you. Trouble is, the best NFL teams have the best QB's. Who knows which if any of the current draft class will excel?
Someone on here will cite Trent Dilfer as an example of not needing one. I say to that he was an anomaly and had a much more ferocious D backing him up and a power running game we haven't had in years.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 2, 2009 12:14 PM | R

I hear you on the best team, best QB part. I just want to get the skins out of this losing rut they've been in. I'm not overly excited w/ the idea of chasing the QB now, when there is so much else that has to be addressed. Particularly when you look at the college level and see all the freshman QB's that have so much potential. Imagine if the skins can bide their time for 2 years, build both OL and DL, draft for speed, then look to the draft for a QB.

Posted by: TWISI | December 2, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

skins need to play tight press coverage, jam these guys up right off the line....I think if they go zone, brees will have a Neil Lomax type of day.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 2, 2009 12:29 PM
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Sounds good. Not going to happen. Have the Redskins played any press coverage this season? I think the best plan is to put as many guys in coverage as you can and make them beat you with the run. Brees is their best player and if you can make him a non-factor, then you have something. I think the Redskins should be in Cobra and dime packages all day long. Brees hit five different receivers for five touchdowns on Monday. I think you just have to fill the field with pass coverage and hope the d-linemen can get to him. If you want to go Buddy Ryan on them, put a bounty on Brees' head because we know his backup can't get the job done.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 2, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

But when it comes to sports, I don't think a fan should have to compromise their expectations with all these Milquetoast "he's played below average but he's better than nothing" and "what else can we do?" philosophies.

If the QB you want/need isn't on your roster, you must go out and find him.

Posted by: MrRedskin21

How can you say he's played below average? What are you watching. He's not Manning buy it is a stretch to call his play below average.

As far as compromise, I think most understand that there are more pressing needs to address before we replace and ruin another QB.

Posted by: dcwun | December 2, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

rsh, big al playing is going to be HUGE...if he can plan and occupy his usual 2-3 guys, then our chances increase of putting brees under duress...someone else on the DL needs to bring their game, they might want to think about starting KGhol, as Griff just ain't what he used to be...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 2, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Um....zcezcest1....in Hamsters I am currently in the final playoff spot with tie breaker against dealer. I am also hanging HUGE scores of late and my team is BEAST. Do your HW. I will be in the playoffs and when I am in, no one will want a piece of me.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 2, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

book it

Posted by: chrislarry | December 2, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Can someone who is smarter than me explain why, with New Orleans approximately 300 miles from Houston, I will be watching the Falcons and the Eagles on Sunday instead of the 'Skins and the Saints here in Houston?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | December 2, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I have a better one, I live in Owings Mills, Md. 35 minutes from Fed-Ex, and I rarely get skins games. If the Ravens are playing at the same time, they dont even show a game on Fox, they put on a old movie or 2-3 hours of Family guy. Explain that to me. Can Family guy possibly get better ratings in that time slot than an NFL game? I wouldnt think so.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | December 2, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

As far as compromise, I think most understand that there are more pressing needs to address before we replace and ruin another QB.

Posted by: dcwun | December 2, 2009 12:45 PM |
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I'm sorry, but I think that's limited thinking.

It's akin to saying a man can't walk down the street and chew gum at the same time, so let's not even try.

They have to build the O-line through a combination of FA and the draft, but that doesn't preclude finding a QB - either through FA or the draft.

It doesn't even matter to me if it's an older QB, if that QB can win next year and take this team to the playoffs, as a fan I'll be satisfied.

When the Vikings signed Brett Favre, I doubt their fans wasted any time thinking about what their team would be like at the QB position come 2011, 2012 or 2013 or beyond.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 2, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

beepapotamus coming through

Posted by: League-Source | December 2, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

About Trent Dilfer in the Ravens' Super Bowl year -- he's not alone, you know. There's something of a tradition of strong Super Bowl teams that featured average QBs. Think Brad Johnson near the end of his career (with Tampa). Or Jeff Hostetler with the Giants. Or Ben Roethlisberger as a rookie, producing history's worst performance in a winning effort. Heck, we won with Mark Rypien and Doug Williams. Stan Humphries took a team to the Super Bowl.

If Jason led the Skins to the title, he wouldn't be the worst QB to do so.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 2, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

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