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Moss Fined $10,000

Jason La Canfora reports:

Santana Moss was fined $10,000 by the NFL for a prohibited celebration in the Redskins' loss to the Cincinnati Bengals on Sunday, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

After catching a second-quarter touchdown pass that cut the Bengals' lead to 17-7, Moss took his towel and pretended to polish his shoes, violating the NFL's excessive-celebration rules by using a prop. The Redskins were penalized 15 yards on the ensuing kickoff for unsportsmanlike conduct.

By Cindy Boren  |  December 19, 2008; 3:28 PM ET
 
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hah, chump change

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 19, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Again, is Portis a "diva"? Yes, which great player wasn't one in some form or fashion+++

Marvin Harrison, LT, Mcnabb, both Mannings', ..... these are just a few off the cuff.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 19, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Mark Rypien, Kurt Warner, Torry Holt, Doug Williams,

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 19, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

anyone who doesn't spin the ball on the turf after a routine catch.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 19, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

"Again, is Portis a "diva"? Yes, which great player wasn't one in some form or fashion?"

Art Monk
Sammy Baugh
Terry Bradshaw
Peyton Manning
Darrell Green

most non-skill position players

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 19, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Mark Rypien a great player???? HAHAHAHAHA... and I am a die hard skins fan.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I got ZERO problem with Portis being a diva, which he is (though hardly the worst of them).

The bigger problem I have is the coaches/mgmt not knowing that Portis is not a 16 game a year RB. He plays a very physical game, including blocking (not usually a diva thing, fwiw). Its up to the mgmt and coaches to figure out how to have Portis strong in December, when his considerable talents are most valuable.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Lynn Swann
Donnie Shell

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 19, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Cindy,

Do you know anything about this?

Anyone know the status of Phillip Daniels and Alex Buzbee, as well as Mike Espy? I wonder how they are progressing in rehab?

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 19, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I still don't understand this penalty. He didn't use the towel as a prop. He used it as a TOWEL! Does this mean you can clean your shoes off as long as you didn't score a touchdown beforehand? This kind of stupidity is why there should be no penalties for excessive celebration. Make it delay of game if it takes more than 10 seconds and call it a day. Fox certainly had no problem showing the highlight over and over to promote the game between commercials.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

"Mark Rypien a great player???? HAHAHAHAHA... and I am a die hard skins fan."

I'd put Portis at about Rypien's level.

Posted by: periculum | December 19, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone know the status of Phillip Daniels ... "

Released before June 1st.

Posted by: periculum | December 19, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Some of you fans kill me with your double standards, they same thing we persecute portis for " being a diva" is the same reason we love john riggins.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | December 19, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Doug Williams had some diva in him. Neither Rypien or Williams was a great QB. But both did have their moments in the sun.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Mark Rypien a great player???? HAHAHAHAHA... and I am a die hard skins fan.


Posted by: kdjsgreen +++

well he isn't a prim adonna, and won a SB. I gave him the nod. I guess you'll also have heartburn with Doug Willams then? Pat Fischer, Dave Butz, Charley Taylor, Mike Nelms, Herb Mul-key, Sonny.......

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 19, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"I'd put Portis at about Rypien's level."

Hahahahahahahaha. Oh man. You guys are funny. Portis is a top5 RB talent. Rypien was a product of a great system and had one good year, followed by a horrible year, followed by 10 years of playing backup. 1991 wasn't a career...

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Practice, we talking practice man? Not a game, practice. Practice.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 19, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

good point on the penalty. 5 yards. And if they use it in a promo, the player gets royalties. Pretty darn hypocritical to fine a guy for something, then use it for promo purposes!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Some of you fans kill me with your double standards, they same thing we persecute portis for " being a diva" is the same reason we love john riggins.

Posted by: GreatOne1 +++

Riggo isn't and wasn't a divabecause when he played, he was all about the team, not himself.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 19, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

"well he isn't a prim adonna, and won a SB. I gave him the nod. I guess you'll also have heartburn with Doug Willams then? Pat Fischer, Dave Butz, Charley Taylor, Mike Nelms, Herb Mul-key, Sonny......."

Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won a Super bOwl, so don;t give me that. I agree that he was a good player, but not great. And isn't Sonny in the HOF?

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

just like the NFL has double standards, they show highlights of big hits and then penalize players if the hit is to hard and ends up being an awkward hit.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | December 19, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Neither Rypien or Williams was a great QB. But both did have their moments in the sun.

Posted by: zcezcest1

Both were more important to the success of the team than CP. In fact, you can pick up a good RB(with speed) almost every year in all rounds.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 19, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"Some of you fans kill me with your double standards, they same thing we persecute portis for " being a diva" is the same reason we love john riggins.

Posted by: GreatOne1 +++

Riggo isn't and wasn't a divabecause when he played, he was all about the team, not himself."

BINGO!!! Imagine what we would do if Portis got so drunk that he fell underneath a table and told Sandra Day OConnor to "Loosen Up Sandy Baby"

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Portis = diva. So what?

That isn't the problem.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"Hahahahahahahaha. Oh man. You guys are funny. Portis is a top5 RB talent. Rypien was a product of a great system and had one good year, followed by a horrible year, followed by 10 years of playing backup. 1991 wasn't a career...

Posted by: kdjsgreen"


top 5 overall back that is overpaid and will be with the Skins for at least one year (probably two) where he is a shell of his former self

I love the guy, but come on.


And am I remembering this stat correctly? 1 rush over 30 yards on the year? No breakaway speed.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 19, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Dudes check out the videos that were posted on the Bog?

The last guy goes flat off nuts? who is that?

Posted by: alex35332 | December 19, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Riggo isn't and wasn't a divabecause when he played, he was all about the team, not himself.


Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 19, 2008 3:53 PM


So staying out all night drinking, partying, the mo-hawks, and outfits were about the team?

Posted by: GreatOne1 | December 19, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

wut u talkin bout alex

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 19, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Doug Williams had some diva in him++

Now I know you don't know what you are talking about. He may have been in a diva, but never had diva in him!

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 19, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

So staying out all night drinking, partying, the mo-hawks, and outfits were about the team?


Posted by: GreatOne1

He didn't call out his O-line and long for the days of yore.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 19, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying Portis is a GREAT, but no doubt he is in the top 5-7 RB's in the league right now. I'm just saying that refering to Mark Rypien as a GREAT is hillarious.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I still remember the play when Rypien was trying to avoid a sack, but the ball behind his back, but couldn't quite get it there, and fumbled. Ah, memories.

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | December 19, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"Diva" players are the few exceptions. But they get the pub. Their coddlers, handlers and the people who make $ off of them like to spin the line about - "what great player WASN'T a diva?" as an excuse for their cashcow's self-centered behavior.

Posted by: p1funk | December 19, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Impossible to compare the eras.

Guys like Gary Clark and Dexter Manley were somewhat demonstrative when they played; if they were playing today - with salaries, endorsements and ESPN's wall-to-wall NFL coverage - they'd probably be just as demonstrative as Santana or Smoot, etc.. etc.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 19, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Gus Frerotte was never a diva.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 19, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Rypien had a couple a great years, 1 in particular. Otherwise, not much.

Williams was a good QB who played the best 15 minutes of football in NFL history.

But neither was a great QB.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else wonder why in the 4th quarter of Sunday's game, after Ocho Cinco got the taunting penalty, it wasn't 1st and 25? The gave them 1st and 10, but it was a dead ball penalty AFTER the first down, so it was 1st and 10, he got the penalty, so it should have been 1st and 25, right? Anyone following me here?

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

"just as demonstrative as Santana" - OK, I can agree that Portis and Smoot are demonstrative, but Sanatana? C'mon.. That guy is probably one of the least diva WR's in the league (at least out of the good ones anyway)

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm still not seeing the problem with Portis being a diva.

Is it his fault that Danny signed him to a massive contract?

Is it his fault that Zorn ran him into the ground?

Is it his fault that the offensive line went downhill so quickly?

Is it his fault that Zorn gave it to Sellers twice on the goal line last week?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

When you get a signing bonus of 10 million plus.... yeah, this is "chump change". If the NFL truly wants to stop this excessive, "look at me I need a marketing deal from Nike" type of celebrations, heres an idea: Run the game on a taped delay long enough to see what kind of celebration is in store after a score and have the networks (contractually bound) to not show what the celebrations deemed to be "excessive". The NFL certainly has the funds to accomplish this or any other idea to put a stop to this. I mean, you read EVERY single week of the season about who got fined and for how much. Its almost as laughable as the NFL's drug testing policies. Commish Goodel is in his office saying "Lets just show the public we are trying, but not really try to put a stop to it. That will prevent bad PR". This current penalty is not a deterant to players getting big contracts, because it doesnt hurt their wallets, it only garnishes them attention and makes people who work REAL jobs resent (sp) them for show boating and not caring about getting fined an amount that would be a fraction of our yearly salary and laugh at it. Its not good...

Posted by: TonyButterFingersHomo1 | December 19, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm still not seeing the problem with Portis being a diva.

Is it his fault that Danny signed him to a massive contract?

Is it his fault that Zorn ran him into the ground?

Is it his fault that the offensive line went downhill so quickly?

Is it his fault that Zorn gave it to Sellers twice on the goal line last week?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

And so what's the problem with TO being a "diva"?

Posted by: p1funk | December 19, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

btw...F Andy Kennedy!!!!!! ;)

headin home...have a good weekend guys...and see ya on and off up here till then...

Posted by: dealer1 | December 19, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Fined 10k for celebrating like a jack*** when his td brings his team within 10. He should be fined 100k for impersonating a football player.

Posted by: mjwies11 | December 19, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

kdj ... I haven't figured out how they decide on 'when' a penalty occurs. I think they just make it up.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

"If the NFL truly wants to stop this excessive, "look at me I need a marketing deal from Nike" type of celebrations, heres an idea:"

This is what I don't understand. Who cares? Why stop it at all? What difference does it make?

And there's no way they stop running the games live brotha...

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Is "using a prop" the same thing as "excessive celebration"? Because if so, I don't know what the "prop" would be in Santana's situation. He used a towel as a towel...

Posted by: p1funk | December 19, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Doug Williams had some diva in him. Neither Rypien or Williams was a great QB. But both did have their moments in the sun.

Posted by: zcezcest1

Upon what do you base your opinion about 17? You are aware that Doug Williams had a football career before he came to Washington? Why don't you check his impact on the TB Bucs.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 19, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

CP has no break away speed, it is amazing the lenghts that people will go to, to find a stat that prove their point.

next year people will say that CP has no runs of over 50 yards. come on he is the #3 rusher in the league, and he is #3 after having games of like 20 yards, 30 yards, and 60

Posted by: GreatOne1 | December 19, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

TO has been highly disruptive and damaging to his team at various times. Though I think people have overstated him as a problem (except in philly). TO has a history of working hard and being ready for games.

Portis is not in TO's diva league.

The problem diva is the guy who takes the money and doesn't get himself ready ... Brandon Lloyd would be a exhibit A

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

This is what I don't understand. Who cares? Why stop it at all? What difference does it make?

And there's no way they stop running the games live brotha...

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

It doesnt usually bother me, but in this situation, its in such bad taste. Maybe my proposal has holes, but Im sure if the NFL truly wanted to put a stop to it, as they seem to want to do with new rules added regarding this every season, they would come up with a deterent aimed at the players making the big bucks. Ya know?

Posted by: TonyButterFingersHomo1 | December 19, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

"just as demonstrative as Santana" - OK, I can agree that Portis and Smoot are demonstrative, but Sanatana? C'mon.. That guy is probably one of the least diva WR's in the league (at least out of the good ones anyway)

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 4:08 PM |
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He signals for a 1st down every time he catches one.

That makes him demonstrative on a regular basis.

That does make him a "diva?"

No.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 19, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Is "using a prop" the same thing as "excessive celebration"? Because if so, I don't know what the "prop" would be in Santana's situation. He used a towel as a towel...
Posted by: p1funk | December 19, 2008 4:16 PM |

You and I are on the same page brotha. That's why they should trash all this subjective stuff and just let them do anything that is PG rated for no more than 10 seconds. If it takes longer, it's a delay of game penalty.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

"He signals for a 1st down every time he catches one.

That makes him demonstrative on a regular basis.

That does make him a "diva?"

No."

I'll give you that, but you get my point.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

It doesnt usually bother me, but in this situation, its in such bad taste. Maybe my proposal has holes, but Im sure if the NFL truly wanted to put a stop to it, as they seem to want to do with new rules added regarding this every season, they would come up with a deterent aimed at the players making the big bucks. Ya know?

- hear you, but what offends you may no tothers, and ANYTHING could offend someone. it's too subjective. But if they really wanted to stop it, they would enforce the penalty on the extra point, so the extra point would be a 35 yarder, and that would result in misses due to the penalty.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

TO has been highly disruptive and damaging to his team at various times...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

And that's the potential problem with all "diva" types. I'm pretty sure that it was disruptive for coaches and teammates when Portis went on the air mocking his HC as a "genius" and talking about going on IR or splitting ties b/c they pulled him for one half of one game.

How close does Portis have to get to the "T.O." line before it is proper to criticize him for disrupting the team?

Posted by: p1funk | December 19, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

learnd -- not sure what you are talking about with Williams. Very familiar with Williams and the Bucs. And how the Bucs mgmt were unwilling to give him what he deserved. Tampa had a great defense with a phenomonal player in LeRoy Selmon.

After the Bucs messed with Williams, he did the USFL thing until it died.

Ironically, Joe Gibbs, who knew Williams from Tampa days, might have been the only guy interested in Williams when the USFL went pffft.

Williams also hated Jay Schroeder, to the point that I wonder if he wasn't more motivated by that!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of T.O., did they flag him when he went to the guy with the popcorn and tossed in into his own face? That seems like "using a prop"...

Posted by: p1funk | December 19, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

"Hahahahahahahaha. Oh man. You guys are funny. Portis is a top5 RB talent. "

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Portis is top 5 talent at RB ? I know he had a good first of this year but he's been loosing his breakaway speed for the last 2 years... its GONE now! He'll hit the wall very soon... he can't even take it to the house anymore ( only did once for the SKINS as I recall.. 1st game he ever played for us vs. Tampa Bay). I know in Denver he had like 7 or 8 TD runs over 50 yards.

WE SUCK !!! VERY LAUGHABLE... feel even dumber for spending money and time on this train wreck.

Posted by: cwprice2 | December 19, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

How close does Portis have to get to the "T.O." line before it is proper to criticize him for disrupting the team?"

-comparing TO to Portis is as laughable as calling Rypien a GREAT QB.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Riggo isn't and wasn't a divabecause when he played, he was all about the team, not himself.

Posted by: lsskinsfan

lsskinsfan Are you serious? The dude was not all about the team. Maybe you remember, he quit the team for a year and Gibbs had beg him to come out. Or maybe you remember the numerous times he showed up pissy drunk at various team events. or showed up on Sundays with killer hang-overs. People who do stuff like that are not all about "Team". Quite the opposite actually.

Lets face it. We love Riggo because he was a great player and he brought us one of the best moments on that 4th and 1 in the SB. If Portis ever does that, he will be loved as much if not more.....(Sadly, Vinny's incompetence will likely prevent that)

Posted by: keino83 | December 19, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

"Portis is top 5 talent at RB ? I know he had a good first of this year but he's been loosing his breakaway speed for the last 2 years... its GONE now! He'll hit the wall very soon... he can't even take it to the house anymore ( only did once for the SKINS as I recall.. 1st game he ever played for us vs. Tampa Bay). I know in Denver he had like 7 or 8 TD runs over 50 yards.

WE SUCK !!! VERY LAUGHABLE... feel even dumber for spending money and time on this train wreck. "

- So I guess you don't consider Brandon Jacobs a top 5 RB? because he doesn;t have breakaway speed. And of course, HOF RB John riggins must not have been a top 5 back either, snce he didn;t have breakaway speed.

But yes, we suck!!!

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

p1funk -- agreed Portis has the potential to be a problem. But I just haven't seen it play out. Yes he's spouted off foolishly plenty of times. And he has a 'look at me' attitude.

That attitude is what motivates some players to want to be good. When the lights are shining, they want it. The question is, do they prepare for the spotlight when it isn't shining? Best example there, Magic Johnson. All charisma and results when the spotlight was on. Behind the scenes, hard work.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Riggins actually did have breakaway speed. Guy was amazingly fast for his size.

I'm not as big on the breakaway speed issue. Yes, Portis would be better if he was faster. But he can be very effective grinding out yards, playing smashmouth. He's been a huge part of a lot of wins that way.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

some people are so quick to call out players, they forget how much access we have to players now then back then, if a player does the slightest thing now it is in the news vs. back in the day you only heard about stuff if it were major.

meaning that riggins stories of being drunk are classics, but if riggins was a present day player he would have been suspended by the league so many times for substance abuse

Posted by: GreatOne1 | December 19, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Riggins actually did have breakaway speed. Guy was amazingly fast for his size.

- breakaway speed is not relative to size. c'mon, is anyone here actualyl suggesting that Riggins was faster than Portis? I love Riggins, way more than Portis, but he wasnt't faster. This just furthers my point that breakaway speed is on no way a requirement to be a top 5 RB. That's all I am saying.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

learnd -- not sure what you are talking about with Williams.

I'll explain and I'll use small words so that you'll be sure to understand, you warthog faced buffoon. (We kid because we love). You said Williams had some diva in him. What's the basis for that statement? You said he wasn't a great QB. Well as great as that defense was, the Bucs didn't ascend to the playoffs before Williams' arrival and for more than a decade after he left.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 19, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: alex35332 | December 19, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

- So I guess you don't consider Brandon Jacobs a top 5 RB? because he doesn;t have breakaway speed. And of course, HOF RB John riggins must not have been a top 5 back either, snce he didn;t have breakaway speed.

But yes, we suck!!!

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Good point... but Clinton isn't a large framed dude like Riggo and Jacobs, steven davis, etc. He's 215lbs at best after trying to bulk up for Skins style of O. Dont get me wrong.. I love the way he sells out to block and runs hard... but he came from Denver a home run hitter and speed guy... not really that anymore at 28 years old huh ? Skins may have ran him into the ground but he just doesn't make people miss or have that burst.. and hasn't for a few years. O line is everything.. look at the rookie RBs that come in and do good EVERY year. If we put all our resources into O LINE we could get a good RB 205 rounds of the draft every year.

Guess if "its and buts" were "candies and nuts" everyday would be Chirstmas : )

Posted by: cwprice2 | December 19, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

CWPRICE - I totally agree with all that, but Portis still has that ability to get 4 yards out of 3. Otherwise, he'd be no better than most backs. The best way to prove my point is to go look at Betts YPC vs. Portis YPC over the last 4 years. Portis has almost a yard on him, behind the same O-lines.

And yes, O-line is everything. Why Cerrato fdrafted 3 pass catchers is beyond me. I like the Malcolm Kelly gamble, but Thomas and Davis wee dumb picks.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

learned, we apparently both know that the Bucs defense was the reason they had success in that era. Williams didn't set the league on fire, don't think he ever made a Pro Bowl (or even come close). I think the Bucs got eliminated from the playoffs in a shutout one year. Williams was one of the better offensive players Tampa had. He was good, not great.

When the Skins were crushing the Broncos in the SB, Williams refused to leave the game, because he didn't want Schroeder to get any of the limelight.

There's some diva there.

I don't recall the specific issues that came later, but I do recall realzing at one point that Williams did have a diva attitude during hs time with the Skins.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Arian peterson, Michael Turner, DeAngelo williams, Matt Forte, Thomas Jones,...they are all better all around backs, and none of them THROW THEIR FREAKIN HEAD COACH/O-LINE UNDER THE BUS.

Posted by: po403 | December 19, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I recall the Sammy Baugh interview George Michael hosted years ago, and what sticks in my mind is something Baugh said about playing:


"When you're on the field you've got to feel like you're the best S.O.B. that's out there."

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 19, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Now her back is having spasms...boohoo..His ass is going down Sunday...(*and I am not a Eagles Fan, so save the comments).

Posted by: po403 | December 19, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Riggins was flat out fast. I suspect he would be faster than Portis at similar points in their careers. If you watch his TD run vs Miami, he's pulling away from DBs.

Of course, he was a devastating power runner, where his speed was as obvious.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Z-

Doug Williams' refusal to come out of the SB game was fueled more by his dislike for Schroeder (shared by the rest of the team, by the way) than his not wanting to share the limelight.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 19, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Of course, he was a devastating power runner, where his speed wasN'T as obvious.

errr , wasN'T as obvious, doh!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Betts is a lot bigger than CP. He is far-and-away the better pass catcher. That is because he is probably faster.

What makes CP the starter? Toughness, which seems to have diminished as his "talk" became more arrogant, his actions unable to keep up with his faster running mouth. And then there is the fumble-itis that Betts seems to suffer from. CP has had his moments with that this season as well.

Posted by: periculum | December 19, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse


Of course, he was a devastating power runner, where his speed was as obvious.

Wrong. He ran over a CB, and then a safety gained on him but couldn't catch him. I love Riggins, way more than Portis. He was a much better back, a true GREAT. But he didn't have the speed that Portis does (which is only average for the position). I think even Riggo would say the same.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

"I don't recall the specific issues that came later, but I do recall realzing at one point that Williams did have a diva attitude during hs time with the Skins."

He cheated extensively on his wife (using his new found fame) and then blamed her in public for cheating on him. Which turned out to be completely untrue. Embarrassing Gibbs and the team.

Posted by: periculum | December 19, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

CP hasn't been a HR hitter because of the OL not because he doesn't have the gears. The OL doesn't get to the second level. CP has to take on LBs and safeties at the point of attack on nearly all of his inside runs. On runs to the outside he's taking on LBs and corners. Check out the long runs by DeAngelo William and Chris Johnson and even tubby LenDale White. Those guys get through a crease and there is no one in sight. All opposition in a position to make a tackle have been blocked. On runs to the outside they're taking on an overmatched CB. The backside is sealed.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 19, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Betts has a full 1/2 yard less per carry over the last 4 season behind the exact same line. That includes the year Portis was hurt. THAT'S why Portis starts.

Look it up on espn.com if you do not believe me. This year, Portis has almost 1.5 yards MORE per carry, behind the same crappy line. You really don't see why Portis starts over Betts????

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

"When I went down (in the SB vs Denver), I was just thinking about finding the strength to get back up," Williams said. "Tomorrow wasn't important. One thing I could not stand was the thought that Jay Schroeder went in the game for me. The year before, in the NFC championship game against the Giants, he got banged up, and I was on the way in when he waved me off."

Doug Williams: Team first or me first?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

"Or maybe you remember the numerous times he showed up pissy drunk at various team events. or showed up on Sundays with killer hang-overs."

Trying to put the moves on Sandra Day O'Connor ... :) then there was his attachment to his oxygen mask. Couldn't wait to get to the sideline to get into it.

Posted by: periculum | December 19, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

When the quarter was over, Williams was in severe pain from the knee injury. "At halftime against Denver," he remembered, "Coach Bugel said we had it in hand and that we could put Jay in to finish up. I said, `No way' and had the doctor shoot me up with painkillers. If Jay was going to get a Super Bowl ring, it was going to be because I gave it to him."

Doug Williams: Me first or team first?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

"Look it up on espn.com if you do not believe me. This year, Portis has almost 1.5 yards MORE per carry, behind the same crappy line. You really don't see why Portis starts over Betts????"

That's silly. Okay Betts caught 43 passes for a 10.0 yards per catch average when he started. Do you think Portis will even come close?

Posted by: periculum | December 19, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I think ZCEZCEST just owned someone.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

In camp that year, Rypien won the quarterback job and started the first eight games, which naturally did not make Williams happy. Williams did replace Rypien for two games, but Williams was still angry.

Doug Williams: Me first or team first?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/redskins/longterm/book/skinbook.htm

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

"Look it up on espn.com if you do not believe me. This year, Portis has almost 1.5 yards MORE per carry, behind the same crappy line. You really don't see why Portis starts over Betts????"

That's silly. Okay Betts caught 43 passes for a 10.0 yards per catch average when he started. Do you think Portis will even come close?

Thats beacuse Betts is the third down back genius. Since when does YPC have anything to do with RB's? You are a sorry excuse for a human.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

If not liking Jay Schroeder makes one a diva then all of the 1988 Redskins were divas, including Jay Schroeder.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 19, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

FACE the TRUTH (truth11? :) )people:

Portis started, even under Gibbs because:

1. He is paid a lot to start by the owner. If
he didn't it wouldn't look good now would it?
2. He is one of the owner's favorite players.
3. He is tough and a decent blocker.
4. He has some leadership skills when he wants to.
5. He (up until this year) fumbled and turned the
ball over less.

Betts is pretty much equal in talent and probably is faster a foot.

Posted by: periculum | December 19, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

The comment again points more toward his dislike for Jay Schroeder than his being a diva.

You'll also recall that the play he's referring to was in the 1st quarter with the team trailing 10-0, not when they were up by 32. He took a bad step when planting to throw and hyperextended his knee. What competitor wouldn't want to get back out there.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 19, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Santana Moss has a 13.9 Yard per catch average. I guess he should start at RB! LOL

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

"Portis started, even under Gibbs because:"

...And because he averages more yard per caryy, but almost 20% per carry.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

In fairness, I have seen the clip on youtube of Williams being a complete a-hole to a fan who asked him for an autograph.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 19, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Gale Sayers, Larry Brown, even John Riggins (the younger) carried people who tried to tackle them.
Riggins was a GREAT pass catcher and a superior blocker. His screen pass catches with the jets were the stuff of legend.

Portis is not even close ... NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!!!!

Posted by: periculum | December 19, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm done sparring with people who think Yards per catch should determine who starts at RB. Bye everyone.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Thing is, I like Doug Williams and I'm not bothered by guys who have attitude. He had to be good, otherwise he could never have played the best 15 minutes of football ever.

But for his career, aside from that game, there is plenty to say he was a decent QB, but little that says 'great'

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

"

Gale Sayers, Larry Brown, even John Riggins (the younger) carried people who tried to tackle them.
Riggins was a GREAT pass catcher and a superior blocker. His screen pass catches with the jets were the stuff of legend.

Portis is not even close ... NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!!!!
"

I thnk we all agree with that. Who said Portis compares to John Riggins?

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

"..And because he averages more yard per caryy, but almost 20% per carry."

But he garners fewer first downs and never breaks off long runs. Betts still wins.

Posted by: periculum | December 19, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

how can people still be talking portis doesnt have break away speed, laron landry runs a 4.3 40 and as i recall didnt they race this summer.

the outcome might be disputed but the fact is you couldnt tell who won which must mean that portis can still run around a 4.3 40

Posted by: GreatOne1 | December 19, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Can't wait for Sunday when Portis screws the pooch fumbling it away to a Philly 3 TD lead. Then shrugs on the sidelines saying, "what me?" :)

Posted by: periculum | December 19, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

The fact is, the last GREAT QB the skins had was Theisman, and even that could be debated. The last GREAT RB was Riggins. Despite the fact that I think Portis is currently a top 5 back, I would never consider him one of the greats.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Z-
I'm with you on Williams for the most part. He was a good, not great QB.

I'm just not sure about the diva thing. What starting QB wouldn't want to go back in to the biggest game of his life after being replaced by someone he can't stand, or be pissed about losing his job to a rookie? That's not a diva, thats a competitor.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 19, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

"I'm done sparring with people who think Yards per catch should determine who starts at RB. Bye everyone."

Its important you idiot. Its why Brian Westbrook (who hasn't played in as many games as your hero CP) has FOURTEEN TOUCHDOWNS. Soon to be 20 after they play the Skins.

Posted by: periculum | December 19, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

But he garners fewer first downs and never breaks off long runs. Betts still wins.

- I can't recall many first downs by Betts, or long runs. and if he is better, than why doesn he make peanuts? Why did no one offer him a decent deal two years ago after his best season ever?

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

"I'm done sparring with people who think Yards per catch should determine who starts at RB. Bye everyone."

Its important you idiot. Its why Brian Westbrook (who hasn't played in as many games as your hero CP) has FOURTEEN TOUCHDOWNS. Soon to be 20 after they play the Skins.

You really haven't watched much football have you? I feel sorry for you.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Its important you idiot. Its why Brian Westbrook (who hasn't played in as many games as your hero CP) has FOURTEEN TOUCHDOWNS. Soon to be 20 after they play the Skins.

Posted by: periculum | December 19, 2008 5:21 PM

You know that this isn't exactly a fair comparison. It's apples and cucumbers.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 19, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

(who hasn't played in as many games as your hero CP)

- My hero??? Dude, reading comprehension. Work on it.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Pointing out that Williams was more motivated by dislike for a teammate then for wanting to win. If Jason Taylor said the reason he wanted to play more was because he despised Andre Carter, we'd be calling him a diva.

And yes, Schroeder was an a$$, but he did make an important contribution to this blog.

When asked the trivia question:
Who did we get when we traded Jay Schroeder? Greg answered (correctly), Jim Lachey.

And with that, Greg was awarded (by me), the first ever RI Bonus Points.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

"The fact is, the last GREAT QB the skins had was Theisman, and even that could be debated. "

Theisman, THEISMAN? Kathy Lee's Theismann too much sex and alcohol before a Superbowl game while his life is stewing in the hotel room? Rocket Screen Theismann? Howie Long still guffaws at the thought.

Now I know you are an idiot. Let me know when they nominate Theismann for the HOF. He couldn't even get a Heismann after he changed the pronunciation of his name. And was at best a 2nd round pick if that. And that was where Miami selected him.

But like Portis, he could be tough, and a gamer when he wanted to be. And he never stopped playing, never quit. Even when they were getting killed. I will give him that.

Posted by: periculum | December 19, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

LearnedHand - You are on the money. Cmparing catchesfor westbrook to catches for Portis is stupid. The eagles throw almost 60% of the time.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Wow, you really don;t think Theisman was one of the great redskins QB's? Well, as I said, it could be debated. And yes, I agree, if your qualification is GREAT means HOF material, then in no way was Theisman great.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Dropping in from round 2 of the office party...dudes arguing about Riggins speed...the mofo was a 100 yard [meter?] dash state champ in high school.

Did i just drop a 'mofo' up here? Damn, maybe this isn't virgin egg nogg after all.

LH- Good to see you BYGO again!

Posted by: 4-12 | December 19, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse


ITS COMPLETELY FAIR and Kdjsgreen is still an imbecile.

Brown, Riggins, AND BYNER CAUGHT PASSES. Critical TD passes. Took screen passes to the house.

And you don't think that's important? Why do you think the Eagles lose when Westbrook doesn't play?

FOOLS, IDIOTS, VINNIES!

You really haven't watched much football have you? I feel sorry for you.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

You know that this isn't exactly a fair comparison. It's apples and cucumbers.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 19, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: periculum | December 19, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

of all the RBs, the only guy I fear in this league is westbrook. He just scares me. He has this knack for destroying other teams, especially when nothing else the iggles are doing is working. He beat the jints single handed.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Not an imbecile, but I like your joke about calling me a Vinnie. That's hillarious. I'm going to start using that one.

Look, I am simply telling you, that even though Betts is abetter pass catcher, you cant start him over a guy that is getting 1.4 yard per carry more behind the same line in the same offense. That's all I am saying.

Westbrook is a great example of a guy who can catch passes and make it work, I agree. And if he were here in DC I woyuld say heshould start, but not because he can catch. Because he can RUN. That's all I am saying. ok?

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Riggins won the 100 in KANSAS. I wonder where he would have placed in Florida?

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

peri, you got me. I should have listened when my momma. She said, "Son, never argue with a fool. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience."

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 19, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Riggins ran his 40 in 4.43, Portis ran his in 4.23 Cany we put the who was faster in their prime talk to bed now?

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Learnd - You are correct - again.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Good it should have been more than that! That was a very selfish thing to do and was clearly planned. Maybe his shoe deal will pay for the fine. That is why the Redskins suck because they have a buch of individuals like that on the team!

Posted by: bigjofc | December 19, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Monk not a diva? Please!

He refused to pay union dues and support his brothers while accepting the union's protection and benefits. I'm ashamed he played in my hometown.

Posted by: joekenehan | December 19, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I know your Momma did Vinnie, but could you please do talent evaluation and selection for someone else's team? How about going back to SF? Pretty please?

"peri, you got me. I should have listened when my momma. She said, 'Son, never argue with a fool. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.'"

Posted by: periculum | December 19, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

That's almost Darrel Green speed. What book of fairy tales have you been reading?

"Riggins ran his 40 in 4.43, Portis ran his in 4.23 Cany we put the who was faster in their prime talk to bed now?"

Posted by: periculum | December 19, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Now I think Kdjsgreen has been smoking some strange stuff in his pipe.

Posted by: periculum | December 19, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, Portis ran a 4.23? What kind of tailwind? I think #28 was only slightly faster than that!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

That's almost Darrel Green speed. What book of fairy tales have you been reading?

"Riggins ran his 40 in 4.43, Portis ran his in 4.23 Cany we put the who was faster in their prime talk to bed now?"


Sorry, I mistyped. 4.33

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

This team has not, and will not go anywhere with Portis and Moss.

On any good team Moss would be a No# 2 at best.

Portis would be a utility back but not a featured back.

As far as the nitwits, posting here about Riggins Look up his post season stats, he still holds NFL records.
Moreover he has a few thing Portis does not have.

1.The heart and Soul of a champion*
2.Superbowl Ring.
3.Superbowl MVP.
4.2# NFC Championship rings.
5.First ballot hall of fame.

In fact I will go as far to say this, next year CP'S numbers will drop way off.
And the fallowing year, hell be ready for the glue factory.

Posted by: dashriprock | December 19, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

"Sorry, I mistyped. 4.33"

Its highly unlikely he could do that consistently else his pass catching numbers would reflect it. They do throw to the guy. You are talking Santana Moss, Hall, Rogers, Springs numbers.

Sorry no way.

Posted by: periculum | December 19, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Moss shouldn't have been fined for excessive celebration but he should have been sat the next series of downS for celebrating a TD on the road when you're losing 17-0 to a team with ONE WIN!!!!! Save the celebrating for the lead changing TD!!!!

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 19, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

And so what's the problem with TO being a "diva"?

Posted by: p1funk |

He plays for Dallas

Posted by: TheCork | December 19, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Why do people keep suggesting that someone think Portis in anyway compares to John Riggins? Let me be clear, PORTIS DOESN'T HOLD A CANDLE TO RIGGINS. The only argument was who was faster in their prime. Jeez.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Clocked 40-speed is deceptive.

What was D. Green? A 4.2?

But that doesn't take into account "game speed," when adrenaline and simple WILL kick in.

I swear when he ran down Dorsett and Dickerson, he had to be moving at 3.8 or 3.9 40-speed.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 19, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I think 4.33 would be Sean Taylor speed. And if I'm not mistaken he was faster (as well as the better athlete) than CP.

Posted by: periculum | December 19, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

"Its highly unlikely he could do that consistently else his pass catching numbers would reflect it. They do throw to the guy. You are talking Santana Moss, Hall, Rogers, Springs numbers.

Sorry no way."

Why do you think 40 times for a RB has anythig to do with Yards per catch? You realize almost all passes to RB's are screens or swings, right? You don;t sprint on those routes.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

"What was D. Green? A 4.2?"

He was actually able to do close to a 4.0 up to age 40. Consistently probably between 4.1 and 4.2.

As you may recall he caught Tony Dorsett from behind crossing from the other side of the field from 30 or 40 yards behind.

That is fast. CP could never do that.

Posted by: periculum | December 19, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Yards per catch for a back has to do with the O-line being able to get down field, and has to do with route running precision, not speed. I think we all agree Betts is uperior in thatm which is why he comes in on 3rd down. Anyone disagree?

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Is "using a prop" the same thing as "excessive celebration"? Because if so, I don't know what the "prop" would be in Santana's situation. He used a towel as a towel...

Posted by: p1funk


Uh-huh, and he did what most players do in the end zone after scoring, he pretended to shine his shoes with it. Nothing to see here, boys. Ain't none of us chickens playing with props.

Here's what I'd love to see. Someone scores, and an accomplice from the sidelines hand him an actual Airplane prop, which he proceeds to dance with.

Now THAT's celebrating with a prop.


Posted by: TheCork | December 19, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

That's right, CP was 4.33 according to what i find about the combine with google. Riggins was clocked at 4.43 in his fastest (i dont think they did the combine back then)

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like Portis and Riggins had similar speed. Doesn't really address the issue of how they were at this point in their careers or the conditions they ran under.

I think the observation that Portis isn't fast (by NFL RB standards) at this point in his career, has merit.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

I think the observation that Portis isn't fast (by NFL RB standards) at this point in his career, has merit.


- I agree. I said in an earlier post that his speed for a RB right now is average. But I don;t think you can say that riggins was faster than Portis, that seems to be just going to far against Portis. As faras every other aspect of playig rb, Riggo wins hands down.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

peri -- wikipedia says Green was clocked unofficially at 4.09 in 1986, at that point, the fastest ever. At age 40, he was clocked at 4.24. Clearly, he'd lost a step!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

"You realize almost all passes to RB's are screens or swings, right? You don;t sprint on those routes."

YES. But Larry Brown was able to average 14.3 in his MVP year. Riggins did even better with the Jets.

Here is Wesbrook, who is always double-teamed and probably has a "spy" following him constantly.

46 catches 319 yards 6.9 yards/catch
40 yards longest catch 5 TDs.

Rushing?

How about:

208 carries 841 yards 4.0 yard/carry
39 yards longest 9 TDs.

FOURTEEN TDs. That should be better than yards per carry. Anything over 4.0 is pretty good. Over 5 is all pro starter, MVP. And that is where Brandon Jacobs is with his 12 TDs.

Posted by: periculum | December 19, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

"peri -- wikipedia says Green was clocked unofficially at 4.09 in 1986, at that point, the fastest ever. At age 40, he was clocked at 4.24. Clearly, he'd lost a step!!!"

Yeah, he was a marvel. Pretty frickin' amazing right up to the end.

Posted by: periculum | December 19, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

"You realize almost all passes to RB's are screens or swings, right? You don;t sprint on those routes."

YES. But Larry Brown was able to average 14.3 in his MVP year. Riggins did even better with the Jets.

Here is Wesbrook, who is always double-teamed and probably has a "spy" following him constantly.

46 catches 319 yards 6.9 yards/catch
40 yards longest catch 5 TDs.

Rushing?

How about:

208 carries 841 yards 4.0 yard/carry
39 yards longest 9 TDs.

FOURTEEN TDs. That should be better than yards per carry. Anything over 4.0 is pretty good. Over 5 is all pro starter, MVP. And that is where Brandon Jacobs is with his 12 TDs.


YOU PEOPLE NEED TO LEARN TO READ. There are two seperate arguments here.

1. Portis' speed vs. Riggins speed.
2. Should Betts start over Portis simply because he has a higher yard per catch?

You guys are confusing the two arguments.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I think:

1. Portis was a bit faster than Riggins.
2. Betts' yards per catch is nin no way relevant to his deserving the starting sport because he is averaging 1.4 yards less per CARRY, which is what matters for the RB position (at last a whole lot more than yards per catch)

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

otherwise, I think we all agree on everything.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

except about my being an imbecile =)

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

And yes, I would take Westbrook over Portis anyday, if that is another argument we are having.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

This commissioner has to stop being management's proxy. He suspends Pacman when that's clearly what Jones wanted--his team appeared out of it, why pay the salary--then reinstates him suddenly after the Cowboys beat the Skins and are suddenly back in it (anybody think the Commish would have reinstated the Pacdaddy if the Skins had won? that's what I thought.)

Now, Danny couldn't punish Moss for costing the Redskins 15 yards for fear that Moss would use it as a platform for calling Zorn out for having benched Portis as show of strength--an ill-conceived attempt to light a fire under the rest of the guys. So, Danny had to deep six this thing or have his coach held up to ridicule by a second member of the U, and have a palace revolt on his hands.

So the Commish comes in and acts in loco parenti for the team's owner and makes a purely local issue one for the league to handle. Let Danny take care of his ownself, which is what he was doing by appropriately taking no action against Santana, who was just making sure that the rest of his team understood their need to stand behind their leader and star, which would be Mr. Portis. That didn't deserve no fine. Heck, even Danny understood that!

Posted by: cohenra | December 19, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I'd sure like to see a headline that says: Rumors Swirl Regarding Cerrato's Future"

He's sort of a Matt Millen-lite. All the mistakes; half the character...

Posted by: davebutz | December 19, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

1. Portis was not faster than Riggins when Riggins first came into the league. That I am sure of.

Clearly age and injury have different effects on different people.

2. YOU SAID that yards per catch had nothing to with being a good running back yet seemed to think 1/2 a yard more per carry WAS!!!!???

Sounds pretty stupid to me.

Please READ WHAT YOU WRITE ... and then Portis with 4.23 or even 4.33 speed? HOC EST RIDICULUM!!

"YOU PEOPLE NEED TO LEARN TO READ. There are two seperate arguments here.

1. Portis' speed vs. Riggins speed.
2. Should Betts start over Portis simply because he has a higher yard per catch?

You guys are confusing the two arguments."

Posted by: periculum | December 19, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

By the way:

Eagles 45
'Skins 13

Posted by: davebutz | December 19, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

You really think the Skins will put up 13!!!!????

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 19, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Dave Butz, you played a great game in the SB win over Denver. If not for Doug Williams lighting it up, you coulda been MVP.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

read what you write at your own periculum.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 19, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps the best punishment was the beating he took in the Redskins press about betraying the spirit of the past 'skins. That was GREAT.

Posted by: dc4mckinney | December 19, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm _stumped_ Vinnie. :) Why did you do that again?


"read what you write at your own periculum."

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 19, 2008 6:41 PM |

Posted by: periculum | December 19, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 19, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

portis = diva

riggins = diva

thats it. there was only one person who decided to wax nostalgia for about 2 hours about how Riggins was SO f'n great and how Portis doesn't amount to s__t.

so go ahead and party like its '82, peri.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 19, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Moss is a fool. He can hardy put a simple sentence together.

Why do we wonder when he makes an as* of himself?

Cerrato is embarrassingly slow and, quite frankly, a simple dimwit. His radio show really showcases his low intellect.

And he's running the organization!!

If the Redskins were a stock, I would short the hel* out of them for the next few years.

Posted by: gdennie | December 19, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to chime in and say I don't think John Riggins in his prime would be getting many yards behind the O.L. we are fielding today.

~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 19, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

"so go ahead and party like its '82, peri.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 19, 2008 7:14 PM"

That's RedDMV for you. Missed the part where I recalled Riggins penchant for staying attached to his oxygen mask ... LOL

Even though he never posted the numbers (because of severe injury and poorer orthopaedic surgical techniques in his day) I still prefer Larry Brown first and foremost. Period. The only NFL MVP running back in Redskins history.

Posted by: periculum | December 19, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV Portis is about average, at times very much above average given the running backs the Redskins have fielded in the past. Honestly, I think Mike Thomas and even George Rogers were better. Its pretty clear that Ernest Byner was better. Not sure about Gerald Riggs. I think Portis rates out better. He rates out far worst than Joe Washington I think.

Posted by: periculum | December 19, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

But Portis does not make "average" money now does he? As Jason like to point out when he compares his numbers to Julius Jones.

Posted by: periculum | December 19, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

We can always say that Portis rates out far better than Bob Brunet (once upon a time a starter!!) and George Nock. ~really laughing~

Posted by: periculum | December 19, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

And I am going to "party like its '82" I ain't going to think about silly Riggo ... I am going to remember Darrell Green and his 4.09 speed pulling down Tony Dorsett from behind when he was just about to start his TD trot... YEAH BABY!!!

Posted by: periculum | December 19, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

"Show host Frank Hanrahan then asked Cerrato whether Zorn would return next season, to which Cerrato responded, "Yeah. There's not even been any discussion, so, end of discussion."

Cerrato has declined interview requests over the past week and said Zorn's future was being discussed externally, not internally."


*****

Now I know Vinny can't say what is going on .... but .....

if you're the exec VP and your rookie HC had a 1-5 record in crunch time, you lost to a 1 win team in a game that would keep you in the playoff hunt, your top WR committed a stupid penalty celebrating a TD, your RB called your HC out on the radio, all your draft picks show little sign of progress, your offense (his domain) is among the least productive in football and your HC said he felt like the worst coach in the world ... DON'T YOU AT LEAST ASK IF THIS IS THE RIGHT GUY?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

DON'T YOU AT LEAST ASK IF THIS IS THE RIGHT GUY?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 19, 2008 8:59 PM

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Not if raising any/all of those points makes it even clearer that the Executive Vice President of Football Operations should be fired.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 19, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

somebody should tell these idiots how stupid they look celebrating after a big play when they are losing by 14 points -- stupid, just stupid --- how can they not know this???? INCREDIBLE

Posted by: bestmick1 | December 19, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Losing is Ugly. Look at these comments. Who is more Diva, Riggins or Portis? Williams or Rypien?

This is Pathetic. I wish the Redskins didn't Suck.

I Love 'em, but if they beat Philly, I'll be SHOCKED.

I knew it was a bad omen when the first thing Dan Snyder did when he "bought" the team was cut Brian Mitchell. And he called himself a fan. Hard to believe.

Posted by: LeftwithNochoice | December 19, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

So here's how Saturday night is shaping up for me:

I will be attending a fundraiser Christmas party at the home of a blind Taekwondo master (for real), then driving home in a snow storm.

We could get a foot of snow in Olympia tomorrow night. On top of the 8" we've already gotten in the past couple of days.

I bought snow tires for my truck this afternoon.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 19, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

I bought snow tires for my truck this afternoon.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 19, 2008 11:21 PM
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Vinnie would trade a 2nd round draft pick to sign some All-Pro snow tires that have been in the league, I mean on somebody else's truck, the last ten years.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 19, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Here is what needs to happen for the Redskins to make the playoffs.

1) Tampa Bay needs to lose home games to San Diego and then Oakland

2) Atlanta needs to lose at Minnesota and then at home to St. Louis

3) Washington needs to beat Philadelphia at home then San Fricisco on the road

4) Dallas has to beat Philadelphia (week 17) on the road

5) Chicago has to lose to either Green Bay at home or at Houston

Which is a statistical 0.8% chance or eight times out of one thousand. Better chances then winning the lottery by still unlikely.

I'm not sure the 'skins as they are now could beat the Eagles eight chances out of thousand. Other than that, the 'skins playoff chances could continue for another week.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 19, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Playoffs?
Playoffs?

How about "Time for JC to cowboy up and win a game." One last chance to beat a playoff-caliber team this year.
I know the oline sucks.
I know he has no receivers.
I know CP has lost it.
Put the damn team on your shoulders and drag that beech over the finish line.

but playoffs?

Posted by: daggar | December 20, 2008 1:40 AM | Report abuse

Offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg mentioned that the Eagles might need Brown this week against the Redskins. That certainly appears to the case. Hank Baskett is out with a knee injury. Kevin Curtis is doubtful with a calf injury

some good news....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 20, 2008 7:28 AM | Report abuse

I'm going to chime in and say I don't think John Riggins in his prime would be getting many yards behind the O.L. we are fielding today.

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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya

Maybe not as many yards but you could count on him getting the one yard when you needed that one yard for third down or a touchdown. Riggins would knock tacklers backwards and very rarely did he ever get negative yardage. Portis is actually very much a product of his line, he could not run the first season in Washington because he could not read the blocks--in the end the blocking scheme had to change to accomodate his style. Portis' style is hybrid, he is not big enough to power drive like Riggins, yet not quick enough to be a scat back type like Joe Washington, both of whom could create yardage out of nothing. Portis, at this stage of his career, is going to very much be at the mercy of his line.

Posted by: driley | December 20, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

All I wanna know is Kendra, the former Heffner GF will be coming to support her fiance Hank Baskett....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 20, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

driley the only running back that wasn't a product of his line was Barry Sanders. All other RB are pretty much a product of their line.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 20, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

So staying out all night drinking, partying, the mo-hawks, and outfits were about the team?


Posted by: GreatOne1

He didn't call out his O-line and long for the days of yore.+++

I still say this is what matters. I couldn't care less about their parties etc...
I suppose it comes down to a definition of Diva? WR's that signal first down everytime, or spin the ball on the turf after routine(at least routine for every other team) catches, make me sick. The self aggrandizement turns me off, especially in light of a mediocre season. It's the epitome of self over team. Yuck!

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 20, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

F the No Fun League. I like a little style and fun. These dudes aren't robots, but I am convinced some people would be happier if they were.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 20, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

F the No Fun League. I like a little style and fun. These dudes aren't robots, but I am convinced some people would be happier if they were.

Posted by: chrislarry

Not robots, but a little more class would be nice. Let the refs call the first downs. It's too much, me, me ,me . IMHO

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 20, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

the team should have used betts more when he was available but would not because portis would have cried and called his teamates out for not doing their jobs when he was in. betts resigned with wash because they offered him good money to stay and had to outbid many teams to keep him. i agree that jc should star taking command of the offense and make his teamates star getting back to the line faster but he is also slow to get there.

Posted by: rls1041 | December 20, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Portis: fun to watch
Betts: not as much fun to watch, and you have to watch him more carefully in case the ball comes out.

Posted by: daggar | December 20, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Kost, if you are out there drunk blogging... I missed the deadline for the oztips. I sent an email to your account with my picks. Could you hook a brother up??

Thanks

Posted by: Zeebs | December 20, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

from PFW...last line..

We hear that the Dolphins have been stewing over the fact that Joey Porter’s diminishing effectiveness hasn’t coincided with other linebackers or defensive linemen increasing their pass-rushing presence. After it appeared as if Porter would run away with the league sack title, offenses have responded often by either double-teaming him or keeping a running back at home to chip off. Yet his defensive cohorts haven’t capitalized on the attention that Porter’s absorbing. Rookie DEs Philip Merling and Kendall Langford have been particularly underwhelming.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 20, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

lets start a petition to get Torry Holt over from the Rams in the offseason.

Moss, Holt, Cooley, Portis, Sellers? sounds good to me!!

Posted by: rickysanders83 | December 20, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

For those of you debating back and forth about Riggins Vs Portis, in the speed category you've over looked an important element.

When teams time players, there is two ways they time.

No pads, shorts, medium length cleat.

Then they time the payers @ "Pad speed" or full dress.

D.Green was a great example of this, he was very fast at pad speed, and he only gained a few tenths, in the 40 without pads on.
(Green was a Gift from God)

Some players, slow way down with the pads on.

Riggins would outrun Portis any day of the week in pads.
Moreover, Riggins carried anywhere from 20 to 25 more lbs, than Portis.

Riggins was a one man gang!!!!!!
Ask Don McNeil from the Miami, Riggins palmed the crown of his helmet, with his right hand and pushed him to the ground.

And the rest is Superbowl history.

Go to Youtube and watch it. Portis does not have that kind of power, or speed.
keep in mind, riggo was a 11 year vet @ the time.

Posted by: dashriprock | December 20, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

You can compare Riggo and Portis but Riggo has a clear advantage(same scheme,better O-line,same coaching staff,same qb,better h/c)Portis is a great back maybe a hof, gaining over twelve hundred yds with this O-line is nothing short of a miracle and without a real passing attack to take the heat off the run game speaks volumes about the toughness of Clinton,now Riggo was a monster and behind the Hogs he was almost unstopable,i think we're splitting hairs when you try to pick one as the best redskin back of all time if you want to be honest Larry Brown ranks right up there with the both of them, and didn't Riggo take year off from football i can't remember if it was before or after he joined the skins.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 20, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

If you get Terry Holt you had better get McNabb as well to go with him. Then you don't need Portis. I'd go with Betts, draft some OL cut as much as necessary to free up cap space for McNabb and Holt plus an OL or 2. Leave the defense, except get rid of the older vets you can (who weigh down the salary cap) to get more space.

If Portis wants to stay get him to renegotiate his contract. The same with Samuels and Johnson.

That's where getting Holt would make sense. But that has been SOP for the Redskins for awhile now ... perhaps not the best SOP. Best to go with youth but how can you do that if you don't have a REAL general manager and talent evaluator?

No solution is going to work for this team until good upper level management is built first.

Posted by: periculum | December 20, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

i agree with you periculum. hopefully vinny will get off this stupid idea about only going after players that fellow coaches and players on the redskins know or have played with so they know what they're gettting. i mean, its Torry Holt. i believe you hear nothing negative said about him. and this year he had his first year in which he ended up with bad numbers which could only be beneficial to end up being able to sign him. and i know there will be an argument over getting size at the position, but quality is what we need.

we should cut ties with jon jansen (he might retire because of constant lingering injury issues anyway). bolster the O-Line via free agency, not the draft. use the draft to pick up some defensive linemen and maybe some speedy linebackers who can cover TEs like Witten (i mean we play the cowgirls twice a year). also the redskins need to realize that Randle-El is not a number two and should either be the slot reciever/third down reciever or possibly look at him as trade bait to land some defensive lineman from a team looking for speed in the slots/a punt returner. as for Portis... we need to make sure he stays put and worry more about protecting Portis and Campbell. If you look at Campbell's stats, if you cut down how many times he's been sacked that might increase his throwing percentage and also give receivers more time to get open and he'd probably have like 3 or 4 more touchdowns. His numbers are already as good as Matt Ryan and Kyle Orton who actually get good protection.

Posted by: rickysanders83 | December 20, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

As bad as our defense is aging you have to concentrate your resources this offseason on the offensive line. The first and last reason for this is that you have to protect your quarterback. We have invested a huge amount of resources in Jason Campbell and you just can not risk losing him due to injury next year. Once the line is fixed (I dont care if it takes all four draft picks and 2 FA signings to do it) then you use 2009 as a training season for the offense to develop. Danny should publicly state that 2009 will be a rebuilding year so that it takes the pressure off of Zorn, Campbell, and the newbies. My fondest hope for next season would be an 8-8 season but our second half of the season would be one where the offense jells and it actually wins games for us. The fan base would rally with any hope of improvement and look forward to fixing the defence in the 2009 offseason.

If for some reason Vinnie does other than try to fix the line then I will throw in the towel for this team. It would just be too heartbreaking to watch another "go for best player" draft like last spring.

Posted by: driley | December 20, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

This has been posted ad nauseum but CP can not be cut or traded. He is here through the next few years based on his contract. Torry Holt will be 33 next year, may be the reason for his declining production. They need to fix the lines first anyway. I'd like to see at least 2 new starting OL next year with RT being the priority to address. Hopefully they can get 1 starter on each side of the ball in free agency on the line or at LB. And then spend the 4 picks on DL and OL. Trade down to get more picks would be nice again just so long as Vinny doesn't f it up.

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | December 20, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

great article about Athletes and guns check it out.

http://www.playersvoice.com/nfl/a-com-plax-situation.html

Posted by: skins954 | December 20, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

CP CAN BE CUT. Obviously better if traded (the other teams picks up his salary). You just have more dead cap space as we do with Brandon Lloyd and David Patten. It makes sense to do so if we are going to start with youth. He should be one of the first to go.

Posted by: periculum | December 20, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I think at this point it makes sense to "rewind the clock" to 1981-1982 when THEY DID go with youth. Built a new offensive line and a new defense. In less than a year they had a superbowl team.

So, it can be done. But you need good people at the top making the right choices. They did then. It is clear they do not now. And it starts with Snyder who is terrible at this. Vinnie is almost as bad.


Posted by: periculum | December 20, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

"As bad as our defense is aging you have to concentrate your resources "

La Ron Landry, Kedrick Golston, Montgomery, Lorenzo Alexander, Evans, Horton, HB Blades, Rogers, Hall ARE NOT OLD. They have been starting and at least holding their own.

So, the defense really only needs more linebacking in addition to Matt Sinclair. Signing Hall to a long-term contract. An athletic DE or LB in Washington / La Var mold. Not A LOT. IT IS NOT AGING.

The offense needs a great deal more. The younger backups there have not been as productive nor have they adapted/adjusted as well. This is where the focus has to be in the offseason.They need youth on the offensive line, at receiver, running back. I think they should go for McNabb if he is willing. Let Jason back up McNabb 2 or 3 years longer. Wait and see what happens.

Posted by: periculum | December 20, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

BUT VINNY SUCKS. So, no matter what they do it will go awry. Without Gibbs to "reign" Snidely Owl and Vinny in you have the same situation they had under Spurrier. NOT GOOD!!!!

Posted by: periculum | December 20, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

BUT VINNY SUCKS. So, no matter what they do it will go awry. Without Gibbs to "reign" Snidely Owl and Vinny in you have the same situation they had under Spurrier. NOT GOOD!!!!

Posted by: periculum | December 20, 2008 5:21 PM

Perdiculum,

Wow, this is troubling. Vinny sucks and whatever he does, it will go awry. (Who is "Snidely Owl"?) If you're right, it sounds like WE'RE DOOMED as long as Vinny is on the scene. Am I reading this correctly?

So, the question I have is "are you right?" What is your record on being right? Cindy should have a poll. Perdiculum is right:

1. All the time,
2. Most of the time,
3. Some of the time,
4. Once in a blue moon,
5. As often as "Snidely Owl" sings operatic arias on American Idol.

If she had the poll, where would the smart money be voting, Perdiculum?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 20, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

So, the question I have is "are you right?" What is your record on being right? Cindy should have a poll. Perdiculum is right:

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 20, 2008 6:21 PM |

Trick question? periculum is never right.

Posted by: mack1 | December 20, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Trick question? periculum is never right.

Posted by: mack1 | December 20, 2008 6:35 PM

It is a trick question, because if he answered "I'm never right" then he'd be right and his answer would be wrong.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 20, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Sniff...I'm gonna miss the old place...sniff sniff

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 20, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

+++I will be attending a fundraiser Christmas party at the home of a blind Taekwondo master (for real), then driving home in a snow storm.

We could get a foot of snow in Olympia tomorrow night. On top of the 8" we've already gotten in the past couple of days.

I bought snow tires for my truck this afternoon.

Posted by: freakzilla +++


Freaks---

Could be worst. Your host could be driving you home.

Drive safely.

Posted by: TheCork | December 20, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's just the Christmas spirit setting in, (86 proof) but suddenly I don't think Danny should fire the Vinnster.

I say a transfer is in order. Put him in charge of Johnny Rockets. Oh sure, I'd never eat there again, but the man has to provide for his family.

Or let him run Tom Cruise's studio.

I wouldn't want him in charge of Six Flags. Too many innocent kids ride those roller coasters.

Posted by: TheCork | December 20, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't want him in charge of Six Flags. Too many innocent kids ride those roller coasters.

Posted by: TheCork | December 20, 2008 8:24 PM

Well sure, Cork, some of them are innocent. But what about the guilty ones?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 20, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Just wanted to drop in a gratuitous "I hate Dallas" and "good riddance to the stadium with the hole in the roof."

That is all.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 20, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Ravens leading 9-7 at the half.

The 'Skins climb to the playoffs is still on target!

Posted by: swowra | December 20, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Dallas D has been playing at championship level...scary thought

Posted by: dealer1 | December 20, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Ravens up 16-10 in the 4th!

Posted by: swowra | December 20, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

JG makes JC look like a rookie. No way JC makes that play.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 20, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Should be JF makes JC...

Rookie type O

Posted by: Skins930 | December 20, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Even the ravens offense makes Zorn's scheme look lame...

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 20, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

JG makes JC look like a rookie. No way JC makes that play.

Posted by: Skins930

Although JC needs to read the opposing D better, some of this is the scheme IMO.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 20, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

In agreement with Nate, I HATE THE COWGIRLS!

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 20, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Posted by: swowra | December 20, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Hahaha, F dallas!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 20, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

So, who do we think will be coaching the Cowboys next year?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 20, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Cowgirls given up more points to the Ravens than we did 2 weeks ago.

Posted by: swowra | December 20, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Rex Ryan.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 20, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Because JJ is watching Ryan beat his team.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 20, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Romo is getting tossed around like a rag doll.

Posted by: swowra | December 20, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

And who do we think will be the broadcast crew and studio crew for NFL network next year? What a horrible broadcast this is. Even the Viagera ads are better than this crew.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 20, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Periculum should broadcast on NFL Network.

Posted by: swowra | December 20, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

TE, was telling my wife the same thing. These guys suk. Stuttering, no chemistry, one sided. Sound turned down low.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 20, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

Posted by: swowra | December 20, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

This is hysterically funny.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 20, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Hahahahahahaha, F dallas!!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 20, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Woooooooooohoooooooo!!!!!

Damn that felt good!!!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | December 20, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

What a complete and total collapse by the Dallas D. That is unbelievable.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 20, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

F Dallas!!!!!!!!!! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

last game in Texas Stadium

loooool

Posted by: swowra | December 20, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

We need a shot of Jones

lol

I bet his face is melting off.

Posted by: swowra | December 20, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

swowra, it cracked into many small pieces. Hahahahahahahahahaha..

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 20, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

How 'bout that view of the crowd!!! lol!

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 20, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

What a GREAT ending to this game. Can't stop laughing!!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 20, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

What a great way to say goodbye to that stadium! Woo!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 20, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Ladies and gentlemen, the Detroit wr!!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | December 20, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Witten is hurt. Romo looks hurt still.

They will lose next week.

Posted by: swowra | December 20, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: cej75024 | December 20, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Nothing feels better than watching the Cowboys getting punched in the mouth and losing.

Posted by: swowra | December 20, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Thank You Baltimore for the early Christmas gift!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 20, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Romo ran for the locker room....did not even stay on the field to congratulate the Ravens.

While I love our guys (despite the many losses) and think we have a good defense, I would LOVE to see how D play like the Ravens.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 20, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Romo definitely had that "tail between the legs" look running into the locker room.

This December curse is really getting into his head now.

Posted by: swowra | December 20, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

How do you give up a 77 yard, then a 82 yard touchdown run? Oh, yeah, dalls football in December!! LOL!!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 20, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by: cej75024 | December 20, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

One solace if we lose tomorrow- if Philly then beats Dallas, they are out. But screw that, we ain't losin tomorrow. We win, ATL loses to MIN, TB loses to I think SD...we're still alive? OK maybe it's fool's gold but I can't quite quit you Maroon n' Black

HAIL

p.s. early Christmas present - watching Dallas lose its last game in that pit of a stadium

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 20, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

As I mentioned before our game against the Giants - when we honored Sean T - teams with "tributes" going on never seem to win. Very strange but oh so true. This does not bode well for us tomorrow as I understand the Skins will be doing a "tribute" to Slingin' Sammy Baugh at the game.

Also, I read on another site that the Ravens felt disrespected because Jerry Jones decided to have the "tribute" to Texas Stadium after the game instead of before....the Ravens took this to mean the Cowboys felt certain they were going to win.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 20, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

sorry...can't stop laughint at the those Cowboys..!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: cej75024 | December 21, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

but I can't quite quit you Maroon n' Black

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 20, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse


haha....line of the night !!

Posted by: cej75024 | December 21, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

i try cej. and i agree, cannot stop laughing...and can't get this $h!t eatin grin off my face...

let's hope LT shows up tomorrow and AP goes hog wild...is SD still alive for the AFC West? I think so

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 21, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

p.s. it may well be the wormwood talkin, but i think things are lining up for us - just saw that TB is pretty banged up (Garcia, Brooks, Adams quesitonable)...and Denver plays late, so SD won't be scoreboard watchin...and Minny has a ton to play for...and Curtis/Baskett questionable for Philly...LET'S DO THIS!! It's like hittin runner-runner in poker- not likely, but can happen!

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 21, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

LMG....I think...think...SD is still alive....hope they play their azzzzzzz off Sunday

Posted by: cej75024 | December 21, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

correct you are sir - if they win tomorrow and DEN loses, they play next week for the division title....at 8-8...

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 21, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

You guys forget we STILL have to win....and does anyone really think we can win? I just hope it's not a blowout for the Eagles. McNabb has made the statement that he plays his best games at FedEx Field.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 21, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

At this point, even though DAL's loss keeps WAS very remotely in contention for the playoffs, I don't expect us to win.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 21, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

good, bring it Donovan. I know our squad will fight. Time to show some character.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 21, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Oh Lisa...lisa lisa lisa....!!! HAHA Haven't you seen how well we have played the last month?? *sarcasm alert*

Posted by: cej75024 | December 21, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

At this point in my life, I wonder if I'm a Redskins fan or just an ANTI-DALLAS fan.

Watching Dallas lose tonight was so great. Haven't felt this good since we spanked them earlier in the year.

If Tampa and Atlanta win tomorrow, DALLAS is basically out of the playoffs. (Tampa and Atlanta finish the season with home games against Oakland and St. Louis, respectively)

I hate to say it, but it won't ruin my Christmas if Tampa and Atlanta both win tomorrow, even though it knocks us out of the playoffs too.

Posted by: jgarrisn | December 21, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

sorry............can't stop laughting at the Cowboy closing stadium loss on NFL Network...hold on please

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ok...sorry ...sorry....i;m back now!

Posted by: cej75024 | December 21, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Man, I'm jealous of the Ravens, rookie head coach, ROOKIE QB (even jason is not a rookie) and they're doing awesome. ARGH Redskins, can someone state the playoff scenario for the Redskins?? (although chances are very slim because a miracle would have to happen.)

Posted by: rachel216 | December 21, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Man, I'm jealous of the Ravens, rookie head coach, ROOKIE QB (even jason is not a rookie) and they're doing awesome. ARGH Redskins, can someone state the playoff scenario for the Redskins?? (although chances are very slim because a miracle would have to happen.)

Posted by: rachel216


The reason I like this post because it points out the obvious. The Redskins come with excuses for why they fold. The Ravens don't buy the conventional wisdom. Must be something about the difference between winners and losers.

Posted by: driley | December 21, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

There you are Notorious. What a horrible game last week was. I guess neither one of us felt like doing anything but fight off the Bungles fans.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 21, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

The reason I like this post because it points out the obvious. The Redskins come with excuses for why they fold. The Ravens don't buy the conventional wisdom. Must be something about the difference between winners and losers.

Posted by: driley | December 21, 2008 9:16 AM

Is there a distinction in your mind between the words "excuse" and "reason"?

Consider the difference in your first sentences if you reverse the words: "The excuse for why I like this post is because it points out the obvious. The Redskins have reasons why they fold."

Is it the "difference between winners and losers" or just your own spin?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 21, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Man, I'm jealous of the Ravens, rookie head coach, ROOKIE QB (even jason is not a rookie) and they're doing awesome. ARGH Redskins, can someone state the playoff scenario for the Redskins?? (although chances are very slim because a miracle would have to happen.)

Posted by: rachel216

Maybe it is due to the rookie head coach not calling out his players in public. Maybe it is due to the rookie head coach not trashing his best player. Maybe it is due to the rookie head coach playing to his team strength and not all about his playbook and telling the QB that he has to be perfect. Maybe just maybe that is the reason.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 21, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

the Ravens have drafted quite a few o and d-linemen over the last few years. They were criticized last year because they were all too young and inexperienced (o-line). This year, we start to see they have something positive to look forward to over the next few years. We all know the Redskins philosophy is flawed (forfeit draft picks for free agents) No matter how wide-eyed cousin Vinny gets, he still can't see it.

Posted by: noluvdr | December 21, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

beep beep good morning...

Posted by: CindyBoren | December 21, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

- So I guess you don't consider Brandon Jacobs a top 5 RB? because he doesn;t have breakaway speed. And of course, HOF RB John riggins must not have been a top 5 back either, snce he didn;t have breakaway speed.

But yes, we suck!!!

Posted by: kdjsgreen | December 19, 2008 4:29 PM

You have now proved yourself unworthy to speak. When Riggins got into the open field he had breakaway speed. He was a champion sprinter in college. You do remember the 4th and 1 run in the SB right? He broke a tackle at the edge and broke away.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 21, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

++++I wouldn't want him in charge of Six Flags. Too many innocent kids ride those roller coasters.

Posted by: TheCork | December 20, 2008 8:24 PM

Well sure, Cork, some of them are innocent. But what about the guilty ones?

Posted by: talent_evaluator++++

Send them to Disneyland. Force them to ride "It's a small World."

Chuck E. Cheese and Small World are the two greatest birth control devises available to parents considering another child.

Posted by: TheCork | December 21, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

There you are Notorious. What a horrible game last week was. I guess neither one of us felt like doing anything but fight off the Bungles fans.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 21, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

hey bud, real sorry I didn't get back to you...I was working on 2 hrs sleep the night before and after pounding four beers in the parking lot before walking in (they do not know how to tailgate there 0- it was like a ghost town!) and getting behind early, I totally lost my mojo. Hope you didn't incure too much heckling and made it home OK.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 21, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

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