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Moss Has a Birthday-a-Palooza

Every year about this time, Santana Moss has a birthday. Technically, No. 8-9 won't hit the big 3-0 until Monday, but that's a workday (organized team activities don't really sound like work, though, do they?). As Dan Steinberg found out, that leaves a fellow with no choice but to stretch the day into a weeklong observance.

It wasn't all party for Moss, though. He did wax a bit philosophic to Steinz about leaving his 20s in the dust:

"As far as the age goes, you're gonna get older every year. So if I was 10, you'd say, 'Do you feel like you're [turning] 11?' You never really feel like it, but you know you're 11, you know? I'm gonna be 30 June 1st, and I'm just pleased to be able to say that that day has come upon me. You have a lot of friends that didn't make it to that day, you have a lot of people that you grew up with, good people, that didn't get the chance. So I'm just proud man of anything that the Lord has blessed me with, and I try to build from it and try to just move on, not take it for granted."

By Cindy Boren  |  May 29, 2009; 6:00 PM ET
 
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Didnt he mis the first day last year from "flu like symptoms" after his birthday?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 29, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Moss is righteous.
He doesn't have to work on suddeness.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 29, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Jansen signed with the Lions.

Good for him.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 29, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

That didnt take long.

Hopefully when I get fired I get a new job within 3 hours.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 29, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

"As far as the age goes, you're gonna get older every year..."

Put that in a fortune cookie...

deep--real deep

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 29, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

fwiw, I was highly critical of the Skins signing Jansen to his contract a couple years ago ... for exactly the reasons that played out. Way too much cap risk for a guy on the downside.

The Skins have cleaned out their 4 biggest cap problems (Springs, Marcus, Taylor and Jansen) while signing Albert, Dock and Hall -- that is one flexible salary cap!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 29, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't have guessed there would have been much of a market for Jansen, but heck, if there is ... why not explore trading him? Jansen for a 6th rounder in 2012? Why not?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 29, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

As someone mentioned earlier, Jansen's release is all on Zorn. Those of us who are upset can't blame Vinny and Snyder.

Zorn was on Larry Michael's show and said it was his decision and that he went to Snyder. Also, it was Snyder's decision to be classy and send his plane for Jon to talk with him in person.

Personally, I am OVER Zorn.

Posted by: Lisa_R | May 29, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins paid Jansen the respect of offering him the opportunity to retire as a Redskin rather than punking him with a trade....that would not have happened anyway. He declined and wanted to catch on elsewhere. The Lions could use the veteran leadership and its Jansen's home town team.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 29, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

How can anyone with a brain be upset at the release of Jansen? He hasn't done anything in 4 seasons - while making a top 10 salary on the team!

This is a great move that had to be done. We have an incredible competition ahead of us at RT and Jansen was never going to be a part of that.

Loyalty only goes so far. When a player is making upwards of $5-8 million, he better produce. One injury season, two maybe...but cutting someone after four seasons of inadequacy isn't disloyalty - it's common sense. And good ownership.

Posted by: Section104 | May 29, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

All I know is that the one person hoping Obama gets health care through Congress is Jason Campbell. He is going to get mauled this season....

Posted by: oldnova | May 29, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Still won't vouch for Zorn being a successful HC, but he's the HC - I have to deal with it...

Still don't get peeps crying about Jansen, with his recent (declining) play, how exactly does he make the 'skins better? I honestly think you can sign anybody off the street and you'd still get the same production that Jansen would've gave this season.

Jansen was a shell of his former self - he had to go. Really don't get the bleeding heart for the guy.

He signed with the Lions, good for him, we'll see him again this year afterall, for those of you whining about his release.

Moss is that dude. Plain and simple. He's also gone in about two though.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 29, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Personally I think it was a good move. Jansen was a good, solid right tackle for a few years but those days are gone. I liked Jansen but its time we get younger. So far we've done pretty good this year at achieving that goal.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 29, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Sec, it's like people don't understand that the NFL is a business.

People, let go of your emotions - you'll live longer.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 29, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Mostly sunny and 87 degrees Fahrenheit here in the attic.

...is there a cold beverage in your future? Hope so.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 29, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad this has finally wised some people up to the shambles that is our O-line. It was the problem in 2007, when the quick-reading master of Al Saunders 700 page playbook, Todd Collins, had 2 picks returned for TDs against the Seahawks. The Hawks were bringing ridiculous pressure with just 4 men. It was the problem at the end of last year. Jason Campbell was not the problem, and neither was Clinon Portis. It's not a coincindence they both had horrible numbers in the second half of the season.

Mike Williams will be starting on opening day, barring a big-time free agent signing or trade.

Jay Cutler and Mark Sanchez are probably wiping the sweat from their brows right about now.

I hope Big Mike lives up to his potential!

Posted by: Alan4 | May 29, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

I hope Big Mike lives up to his potential!


Posted by: Alan4

Hope the C4 to C7 vertebrae in his spinal cord had the Dalai Lama's hands laid over them..Pass blocking doesn't seem as crunchingly demanding as run blocking on the neck and back, maybe more pass plays would help the line "en totale" avoid the playoff void..

Posted by: frak | May 29, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Santana!! Happy Birthday!! I'm going to cue up some "Johnny B. Goode" in your honor..

Posted by: frak | May 29, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

maybe more pass plays would help the line "en totale" avoid the playoff void..

Posted by: frak | May 29, 2009 7:17 PM |

Or, more TDs from the defense. Seeing as how we put all our eggs in one basket and the basket is D, they ought to be one of the highest scoring units in the league. That'll take some pressure of Jason.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 29, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Sec, it's like people don't understand that the NFL is a business.

People, let go of your emotions - you'll live longer.

Posted by: RedDMV

It's all "business" in Corporate America, but not all of us surrender to the inevitable.

Seriously, if you have no emotions, what's the sense of living a long life, unless you're a robot. Without emotions, you miss the point of being a cynic.

Yeah, sure, maybe it was time for Jansen to go. But, he's a person, a ten year Redskin, and I also root for players I like.

Anyone who didn't like Jansen's work ethic, or toughness, the way he manhandeled a certain Giant HOF DE before JJ's legs went, or his overall accomplishments before devastating injuries cut his career short, is just rooting for numbers and colors.

The same thing happened here with Marcus. The good-riddance brigade showed up to disrespect his accomplishments.

Trust me, this team will miss the leadership of Marcus, Jansen and Springs in the locker room. And if Thrash and/or Cartwright, those guys too.

And that's not my emotions talking, that's a point of fact.

Posted by: TheCork | May 29, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Trust me, this team will miss the leadership of Marcus, Jansen and Springs in the locker room. And if Thrash and/or Cartwright, those guys too.

Posted by: TheCork | May 29, 2009 7:22 PM

Cork,

Agree entirely with the post and loved the phrase "Without emotions, you miss the point of being a cynic." Only you could have posted that up here.

But, when old leaders retire it allows the new ones to emerge. Orakpo? Haynesworth? Hall? Who knows, but it's inevitable as the changing of the seasons. Bittersweet and all that.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 29, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

"Every year about this time, Santana Moss has a birthday." JLC.

LOL. About this time? So moss' birthday is like Presidents' day, every year it falls on a different day, eh?

The tackle that should be replaced is that one on the left side, it seems as if last year he played most of the games sitting in his arse.

Posted by: opita1 | May 29, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Yeah and sooner or later Jason Campbell better become a leader.

Posted by: Vicc | May 29, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad Jason Campbell is not a 'cynic.'

Posted by: Vicc | May 29, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Leaders should not be selfish.

Posted by: Vicc | May 29, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Santana Moss is ageless. He saved us agains't Detroit last year.

Go celebrate your 30th birthday boyeee. Tell Lynn I said Hi.

Posted by: Vicc | May 29, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

I remember when Dan Syndally Owl, or whatever, wanted to draft him over Rod Gardner.

Turns out Daniel was right!

I could be going for a record 10 consecutive posts with no response...Now ya'll know what I meant when I said I could put the Kibosh on this post.

Posted by: Vicc | May 29, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

... this team will miss the leadership of Marcus, Jansen and Springs in the locker room. ...

Posted by: TheCork | May 29, 2009 7:22 PM

Not sure how much Jansen will be missed, especially by the coaching staff. I remember how Jansen showed up on TV shows like Fox Sports just prior to the 2005 draft proclaiming what a great QB Patrick Ramsey was. Then Gibbs traded up to get Campbell in the draft and then Gibbs demoted Ramsey after the first game of 2005. So much for Jansen being a spokesman for the team. Also, one suspects that the Skins felt that the cap hit of cutting Jansen was worth not having a team elder as a backup acting like a sourpuss.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 29, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Good luck to ya'll gentlemen on this Friday night.

I've already acquired the fix I need!

U know, I used to be a night guy, but lately the morning BJ has been nothing short of STELLAR.

Posted by: Vicc | May 29, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

If I could reach, I'd go to bed early too.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 29, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Jansen cut = good (should have happened last year)

JLC gone = GREAT (now NFL Network can figure out how to deal with his personal biases against the Redskins)

Jansen was awesome for a long time, but he's done. I watched him get burned last season too many times. He lost a few steps after his achilles rupture. Everyone saw it except Jansen.

Posted by: hithere1 | May 29, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

"I'm glad Jason Campbell is not a 'cynic.'"

Posted by: Vicc

There's something to be said for everything, cynical black-hearted punks or delusional religion drunk, acid hippies. You die in Hitler's concentration camp, you burn up some karmic dough. You get tortured to death in Torquemada's dungeon ("The Pit and the Pendulum"), you burn up some bad karma. But, I'm glad that Jason is still with us, he's going to have a good year, I think..

Posted by: frak | May 29, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

anyone remember the cutting of Ted Fritsch? Karl Lorch? George Stark (he retired rather than being cut), Mark Mosley?

Few, if any, do.

Sorry to see JJ go, but times roll.

Posted by: MikeNelmsReturns | May 29, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Sorry that was just an homage to the limerick.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 29, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

SMACK--I thought we could all reach. Sorry for you, dude.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 29, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

I luv limericks. I luv Rap Music. It has successfully shown how skill doesn't matter, but image does. Sex sells and so does Washington Redskin Football.

Posted by: Vicc | May 29, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Jansen couldn't have been THAT bad if he's already got a new gig:

Jansen Heading Home To Play For Lions
Posted by Aaron Wilson on May 29, 2009, 7:00 p.m.
Hours after veteran offensive tackle Jon Jansen was cut by the Washington Redskins, he has reached a verbal agreement with the Detroit Lions, according to Carlos Monarrez of the Detroit Free-Press.

Per the report, the deal won’t become official until the former University of Michigan lineman passes a physical set for Monday.

Jansen is a Michigan native who played for the Redskins for the past nine seasons.

Drafted in the second round in 1999, Jansen started 123 games for the NFC East franchise.

UPDATE: According to Adam Caplan of Scout.com, who’s also reporting that Jansen has agreed to terms, Jansen is expected to sign a veteran minimum one-year contract worth $845,000

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 29, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

jason taylor wanted to stay close to home and apparently so did Jansen ...

Posted by: periculum | May 29, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

SMACK--I thought we could all reach. Sorry for you, dude.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 29, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

It's one of the tragedies of old age. That's not yours.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 29, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Jansen couldn't have been THAT bad if he's already got a new gig:

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 29, 2009 9:13 PM |

No signing bonus? Vet min? He doesn't have a job. He has a chance to win a job. He won't be on the opening day roster.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 29, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm wondering who at the Post is lining up to take over the whose polishing their own knob blog, but apparently it's pretty posh real estate.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 29, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm wondering who at the Post is lining up to take over the whose polishing their own knob blog, but apparently it's pretty posh real estate.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 29, 2009 9:21

The bloggers are running for the hills at the Post. Yesterday Jasno, today Marc Fisher. There won't be anyone left to run a blog. They'll have to re-run the old posts like we re-run the Antonio Pierce shabingus. "Mora, Williams, Billick on short list to replace Gibbs."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 29, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

"...shabingus..."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 29, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Sounds experimental...can it be smoked?

Posted by: Vicc | May 29, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Funny thing to is...for the last 2 years all I have heard on this blog about Jansen was how he sucked and the Skins were dumb for keeping him yada yada yada....NOW the skins make the move and what a huge surprise...people on this blog are complaining about it...LOL

What a huge surprise! LOL

Posted by: leevi98 | May 29, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Yeah and sooner or later Jason Campbell better become a leader.

Posted by: Vicc | May 29, 2009 8:18 PM

All he has to do is stiff-arm the 300 lb DE's running all over our suspect O-line, to give himself 3 or 4 seconds to deliver it to a streaking James Thrash, Mike Kelley, and Devin Thomas (if the latter 2 ever make it on the field). Then he has to make sure they hold on to it.

Now that would be leadership!

Posted by: Alan4 | May 29, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Anything can be smoked and I say that in an official capacity.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 29, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Dik Shuttle,
Wale is performing on Jimmy Fallon tonight accompanied by local go-go band UCB and house band The Roots.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 29, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

And I'm taking note of all of the O-line whiners and haters.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 29, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

All he has to do is stiff-arm the 300 lb DE's running all over our suspect O-line, to give himself 3 or 4 seconds to deliver it to a streaking James Thrash, Mike Kelley, and Devin Thomas (if the latter 2 ever make it on the field). Then he has to make sure they hold on to it.

Now that would be leadership!

Posted by: Alan4 | May 29, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Kinda like his first pass of the season agains't the Gints, when he rolled outta a perfect pocket, only to give Tuck his 1st sack of the season???.?

I bet somebody like Brees, Rivers or yes: Cutler would perform a lot better than Campbell behind our line and the POINT is not that our O-line is as bad as you think it is so much as it is Jason Campbell not being as good as you think he is.

Forgive me, however, for you only get one; have a good night sir.

Posted by: Vicc | May 29, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

lh is this just an nba thing, where do i fall am i doing okay should i just stop worrying

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 29, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Our O-line is average.

Posted by: Vicc | May 29, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

"As far as the age goes, you're gonna get older every year..."

Put that in a fortune cookie...

deep--real deep

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 29, 2009 6:28 PM

Mr. Cheyenne - dude, it ain't as simple as you think. The theory of relativity tells us that the faster you travel through space, the slower you travel through time. So if I was to take a trip in space travelling at close to the speed of light, then upon my return I would look just about like I did when I left and you would look like Fatha Time! So much for me getting older every year!

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 29, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

doh reading disorder, i love you too!

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 29, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

someone post something so i'm not the last person

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 29, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Our O-line does include a perennial Pro-Bowler at LT which includes last year.

Posted by: Vicc | May 29, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

@SMACK: Huh?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 29, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

"Anything can be smoked and I say that in an official capacity."

If you lean two bedsprings together into an "A", you can hang perch-run on it , with burning hickory at the bottom (or hard fruitwood), bluegills and minnows keep..saussure, saucier, saucer, sauciere..

Posted by: frak | May 29, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

....bet somebody like Brees, Rivers or yes: Cutler would perform a lot better than Campbell behind our line and the POINT is not that our O-line is as bad as you think it is so much as it is Jason Campbell not being as good as you think he is.

Forgive me, however, for you only get one; have a good night sir.

Posted by: Vicc | May 29, 2009 10:53 PM


Brees, Rivers, Cutler, and Campbell... remind me, which one of them threw 252 passes without an interception?

And the O-line's pretty good, huh? That's why Portis only had 2 games over 80 yards in the second half of the season and we flat out cut our starting RT before training camp even started, and all we added was another team's non-starting reject and a guy who's been out of football for 2 years?

Uh huh.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 29, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I lost myself too there LH. Will say good night!

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 29, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Fine Alan4:

Portis slowed down second half of the season cuz he was hurt, not because of O-line production. Do you realize what you are asking of Portis? The guy had 1400+ yds...if you're expecting more than that, then you are expecting too much, he's not one of the all time greats, though he is gonna be a HOFamer.

Just be honest, Brady and Manning are waaaay better than Campbell, yet they didn't "throw 252 passes without an interception." Those great QB's would do just fine with our O-line, lest you speak Blasphemy.

Posted by: Vicc | May 29, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Denver jus looks tired of basketball...like they are ready for vacation.

I've felt the need for vacation only twice in my life. I do enjoy time off though.

Posted by: Vicc | May 29, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Karl is a good coach, but he's not a great coach like Jackson, who has a whole rack of championships to George's none. I liked George with the Shawn Kemp and Gary Payton Sonics, but he's a little too country laidback to get the fiery out of his players, like Jackson, who knows to wake up the role players at just the right time. Carmello, 6-17, nowhere near a playoff savvy vet of Kobra, who showed up like "NOW, BABY.."

Posted by: frak | May 29, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

lol. Is there anyone who thinks L.A. will not win the Championship?

Not unless you like being wrong.

Posted by: Vicc | May 29, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Our O-line is average.

Posted by: Vicc

Our OL aspires to be average.

Jansen had millions to go on his contract with the Skins, gets cut and then signs with an 0-16 team for the vet minimum. It says the Skins did the right thing.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 30, 2009 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Miss Venus seems kind of sad, and then she flashed her scantily clad pink bottoms at the camera at the start of her dismal game against the Russkie..Methinks she needs a good boyfriend!!

Posted by: frak | May 30, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

LA wins, no doubt..

Posted by: frak | May 30, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse

...Portis slowed down second half of the season cuz he was hurt, not because of O-line production...

Posted by: Vicc | May 29, 2009 11:16 PM

You're right, it's all Jason Campbell's fault. Our O-line is fine:


LT Chris Samuels, 31, recovering from season-ending triceps surgery in Week 14, after 2 straight seasons of knee surgery (during which knee injuries caused him to miss games in the previous 2 seasons).

OLG Pete Kendall, 35, replaced by Derick Dockery.

C Casey Rabach, 31, started all 16 games last year

ORG Randy Thomas, 33, coming back from a series of major surgeries, none more significant than the herniated disc that could have ended his career last year.

RT Jon Jansen, 33, cut prior to preseason camp. Position unfilled.


I wonder why CPortis got hurt, anyway?

Posted by: Alan4 | May 30, 2009 1:28 AM | Report abuse

LH - I forgot to DVR the J Fallon show last night. I missed the performance. UCB has seemed to become Wale's live band. They have made trips elsewhere including NYC performing recently.

Count me as one who thinks Jansen shouldn't have been cut.....

I like our O-Line irregardless right now though.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 30, 2009 6:38 AM | Report abuse

Good Luck to Jansen. The Lions look like they will be nice this year. They turned over about half the roster.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 30, 2009 6:53 AM | Report abuse

I think the Redskins will be nice this year!

We are way under the radar...but with a QB playing for a big payday and a strong defense, we could surprise.

Posted by: rickyroge | May 30, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

"You have a lot of friends that didn't make it to that day, you have a lot of people that you grew up with, good people, that didn't get the chance." This is a concept that isn't familiar to me. While a scant handful of the boys I grew up with died before thirty, I cannot say "a lot" as Santana does. It's remarkable and telling of the differences in the worlds he and I grew up in, and I suspect for most of the rest of the faithful, as well.

Posted by: neilbourjaily | May 30, 2009 8:28 AM | Report abuse

See, this is what I'm saying. Plus the young WRs have to be motivated to not get labeled as busts. I'm worried about the O-Line, who wouldn't be. But it's also kinda fun to watch Williams and Bridges try to redeem themselves. I'm mostly afraid Chris Samuels gets hurt again. If he's healthy he's a beast. Peter King rating us 23rd is a good thing. Like you said ricky, it keeps us under the radar.

Posted by: SonofNero | May 30, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

has wapo.com reached out to any of you regular posters for guest columns. That's their plan, you know? They'll get hamsters to do it for free.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | May 30, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

And, I'll bet someone at the Post has suggested that in all actuality. Will anyone confirm that?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | May 30, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

This O Line is in trouble.

Posted by: TheCork | May 29, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse


Is that fact just dawning on you, Cork?

Posted by: p1funk

A lil too "master-of-the-obvious" for you? Got distracted counting down to cocktail hour here on the Left Coast.

Posted by: TheCork | May 29, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse


Cocktails on the Left Coast, eh?

Let me guess, they're subsidized with taxpayer dollars and the UAW gets first dibs on any profits from the bar...

...order an Olbermartini and think of me.

Posted by: p1funk | May 30, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

But, when old leaders retire it allows the new ones to emerge. Orakpo? Haynesworth? Hall? Who knows, but it's inevitable as the changing of the seasons. Bittersweet and all that.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 29, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse


God help us if the new lockerroom leaders that "emerge" are Hall and Haynesworth.

Here's a novel idea...how about the new player-leader that emerges is (drum roll): Jason Campbell

Posted by: p1funk | May 30, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

The Lions next move is to make Martin Mayhew the first ever player-GM and start him at cornerback...

Posted by: p1funk | May 30, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Bears sign Tinoisamoa...I covet their LB corps.

Posted by: p1funk | May 30, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

The Lions look like they will be nice this year. ...

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 30, 2009 6:53 AM

I think the Redskins will be nice this year! ...

Posted by: rickyroge | May 30, 2009 8:15 AM

Mother Goose: "What are little girls made of? Sugar and spice and all things nice"

The Lions and the Skins - the two best damn girly teams in the NFL!

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 30, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Lust for Mayhew?

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 30, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Jason
I hear you are leaving...its about time. I am sure you will "dis" even more at the NFL Network. Good riddance

Local Reporter?

Call Dan and Vinny, I am throwing a party.

Posted by: LABeast56 | May 30, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

"As far as the age goes, you're gonna get older every year..."

Put that in a fortune cookie...

deep--real deep

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 29, 2009 6:28 PM
--------------
LOL!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Peaux_Sucent | May 30, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Newsbreak! Tinoisamoa is still signing with the Bears. It's a long name.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 30, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

The most despicable, shameless, irresponsible reporter this side of Jayson Blair, Jason La Canfora has earned a reputation over the last several years as the most dishonest reporter in the D.C. metro area. Even his fellow colleagues at the Post could not stand him personally nor professionally. Trust me on that one.

Sure, I have a personal reason to dislike him, considering he did hold the contest on this blog's early days that I ended up winning... and named the prize, and then did not deliver on the prize. Sure, all of that is true. But that has absolutely nothing to do with why I think he's the biggest joke of a reporter in D.C. in my lifetime.

His reporting had gone from one-sided to controversial to bitter and then eventually to vicious non stop attacks on the team he was assigned to objectively cover. He was almost never objective, almost always one-sided.

We don't need a Redskins cheerleader writing the articles, I for one would like a critical eye covering the team. But it would be nice if at least the person who covers the team did not have the blatant agenda Canfora displayed time and time again. That all he cared about was stirring up controversy and making a name for himself at the expense of fairness to the team and truthfulness to his readers was a disgrace. He loved being a part of the story. But often went over the line in creating stories where they did not exist.

Everyone who read La Canfora's columns and blog over the years has had doubts at one point or another about the legitimacy of some of his anonymous quotes. In some instances, he has been publicly criticized by his own colleagues at the Post for his questionable use of anonymous quotes.

Let's be clear: Jason La Canfora is the most classless writer this town has seen in a long, long time.

But if he considers the NFL network a step up over working for the Washington Post covering the Redskins, then congrats buddy and get the hell out of here before NFL Network changes their mind!

Yours truly,

The Original Barno

Posted by: Barno1 | May 30, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Trust me, this team will miss the leadership of Marcus, Jansen and Springs in the locker room. And if Thrash and/or Cartwright, those guys too.

Posted by: TheCork | May 29, 2009 7:22 PM

Cork,

Agree entirely with the post and loved the phrase "Without emotions, you miss the point of being a cynic." Only you could have posted that up here.

But, when old leaders retire it allows the new ones to emerge. Orakpo? Haynesworth? Hall? Who knows, but it's inevitable as the changing of the seasons. Bittersweet and all that.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Thanks TE. You are right about new leaders rising to the occasion...But I don't think the three you mentioned--new with the team--will be the answer at least right away. (LFB being the exception to that kind of rule)

It strikes me a LOT of leadership has been drained in one year.

There's an expression in sports about how it's better to get rid of a star one year too early than one year too late.

But the corollary in the NFL at least is, you need to plan for it, and not get wacked with an enormous cap hit and no one ready to step in for him.

I don't doubt for a moment how hard it is running an NFL team. The real wonder isn't that the Redskins are so poorly run, but that some teams, like NE, the Giants, and the Steelers are so amazingly well run.

A lot of my cynicism here comes from frustration and jealousy of that fact.

Posted by: TheCork | May 30, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Did Barno's CD EVER turn up?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | May 30, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Did Barno's CD EVER turn up?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | May 30, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Did Barno's CD EVER turn up?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | May 30, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Thanks TE. You are right about new leaders rising to the occasion...But I don't think the three you mentioned--new with the team--will be the answer at least right away. (LFB being the exception to that kind of rule)

It strikes me a LOT of leadership has been drained in one year.

There's an expression in sports about how it's better to get rid of a star one year too early than one year too late.

But the corollary in the NFL at least is, you need to plan for it, and not get wacked with an enormous cap hit and no one ready to step in for him.

I don't doubt for a moment how hard it is running an NFL team. The real wonder isn't that the Redskins are so poorly run, but that some teams, like NE, the Giants, and the Steelers are so amazingly well run.

A lot of my cynicism here comes from frustration and jealousy of that fact.

Posted by: TheCork | May 30, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you corky. LFB will definitely lead the D, as will PDaniels, if he can stay healthy.

Not sure who the leader of the O will be. Perhaps JC will step up, but he will only be able to do it by example. I don't think he is vocal enough otherwise.

And no question there are a few teams who are really professionally run. Jealousy. Yes, it would be nice. Maybe our FO is learning, but it has been a slow process. They certainly are not in the worst FO category either. Hope they continue to improve.

Posted by: frediefritz | May 30, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Skins are not short of leaders. Fletcher is a superb leader, Samuels as well.

There are plenty of vets who can either add to the leadership or don't need to be led to play hard -- Daniels, Moss, Rock, Carter, etc.

I do think there is a risk as you've got more questionable attitudes in this locker room than in recent memory. What happens when things go bad. Do guys like Portis, Albert and Hall step up or head in the wrong direction? They've all melted down in the past and Danny can't fire any of them should they become a problem.

Its not so much the lack of leaders ... its that the Skins have more guys now with a history of going off the rails than before.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 30, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Did Barno's CD EVER turn up?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | May 30, 2009 1:02 PM


Yes.

Jasno had asked me not to say anything but I guess now that he's leaving it doesn't matter. So, yeah, I've got the CD. It's really great, especially with Chris Cooley autograph.

Jasno gave it to me. He said, "Barno's a loser. He's the biggest loser in town. Trust me. I've investigated this pretty carefully, plus I've heard it from several sources."

"His posting has gone from one-sided to controversial to bitter and then eventually to vicious non stop attacks on everyone. He is almost never objective, almost always one-sided. I can't give this to Barno because I don't want to go near him. He scares me."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 30, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

You're right, it's all Jason Campbell's fault. Our O-line is fine:

--->No, our O-line definitely needs to be upgraded cuz they are average, but they are not as bad as you claim.

--->It's not All Jason Campbell's fault, but maybe if he learned how to pumpfake, ah throw againsn't the blitz, ah recognize where the blitz is coming from, U know, little Qb stuff like that...

LT Chris Samuels, 31, recovering from season-ending triceps surgery in Week 14, after 2 straight seasons of knee surgery (during which knee injuries caused him to miss games in the previous 2 seasons).

--->Forgot to mention perennial Pro-Bowler, icluding the year 2008. Great pass blocker

OLG Pete Kendall, 35, replaced by Derick Dockery.

--->Kendall was below average. We definitely upgraded here

C Casey Rabach, 31, started all 16 games last year

--->We have an average center

ORG Randy Thomas, 33, coming back from a series of major surgeries, none more significant than the herniated disc that could have ended his career last year.

--->He's actually above average if you watch him play. Great run blocker

RT Jon Jansen, 33, cut prior to preseason camp. Position unfilled.

--->Ah yes, the RT position; the reason our O-line is average, cuz we suck here. Whoever replaces Jansen is an upgrade

I wonder why CPortis got hurt, anyway?

--->Injuries are a part of the game. Every team has them. Stop overreacting to them.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 30, 2009 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vicc | May 30, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Did Barno's CD EVER turn up?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | May 30, 2009 1:02 PM


Yes.

Jasno had asked me not to say anything but I guess now that he's leaving it doesn't matter. So, yeah, I've got the CD. It's really great, especially with Chris Cooley autograph.

Jasno gave it to me. He said, "Barno's a loser. He's the biggest loser in town. Trust me. I've investigated this pretty carefully, plus I've heard it from several sources."

"His posting has gone from one-sided to controversial to bitter and then eventually to vicious non stop attacks on everyone. He is almost never objective, almost always one-sided. I can't give this to Barno because I don't want to go near him. He scares me."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 30, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I feel better now, knowing he was quoting several sources. If he had only one source, I'd be worried. And I really don't care who they are, not that he is going to tell us. But just knowing they exist gives me the warm fuzzies.

Posted by: frediefritz | May 30, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

...It's not All Jason Campbell's fault, but maybe if he learned how to pumpfake, ah throw againsn't the blitz, ah recognize where the blitz is coming from, U know, little Qb stuff like that..

Posted by: Vicc | May 30, 2009 1:44 PM

When did he have time to pump fake in the 2nd half of the season? How do you define a blitz? It's not a blitz when a pedestrian 4-man front is bringing down the house on your QB and everyone else is dropped back in coverage. Even your boy Todd Collins, the quick reading master of Al Saunder's 700 page offense, couldn't overcome a 4 man "blitz" at the end of 2007 with the same cast of characters. Should I remind you?

Seahawks 35, Redskins 14
Not sure we've ever seen a win for which the credit belongs so overwhelmingly to the defense. For most of the game, the Seahawks' defensive line was able to get pressure with only four rushers. By establishing that, they were able to drop guys back into coverage, which led to the two pick sixes.

CPortis had 52 yards on 20 carries in that game.

After our O-line got dominated by the Seahawks at the end of 07, what did we think would happen in 08 against the Ravens, Steelers, and NFC Beast defenses like the Giants? Do you really think our O-line, a year older and more injured, with a few unproven replacements trying out for RT, is really upgraded for 09?

Posted by: Alan4 | May 30, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

A Barno sighting! It's just like the good ol' days.

Posted by: PDiddy | May 30, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

1) I get older every day.

2) And I'm taking note of all of the O-line whiners and haters.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 29, 2009 10:52 PM

Yeah! Those guys are the first up against the wall!

3) Alan4, have you not learned yet that using logic and facts in your blogumentation will only earn you abusive epithets?
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 30, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

...Portis slowed down second half of the season cuz he was hurt, not because of O-line production....

Posted by: Vicc | May 29, 2009 11:16 PM

...Injuries are a part of the game. Every team has them. Stop overreacting to them...

Posted by: Vicc | May 30, 2009 1:44 PM

Vicc, who had more serious injuries, Portis or the O-line?

thunder, I know logic and facts don't get you far in blogumentation. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but sometimes blatantly flawed thinking must be pointed out.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 30, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

A Barno sighting! It's just like the good ol' days.

Posted by: PDiddy | May 30, 2009 2:35 PM |

Barno sighting = Dim memory of unpleasant events

Diddy sighting = Good old days!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 30, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse


The chimps at SI ranked all the NFL backfields (QB plus running backs)...here's how our guys measured up.

26. Washington Redskins
Who: QB Jason Campbell; RB Clinton Portis

Add/subtract: OL Derrick Dockery and Mike Williams give depth and experience up front but the hope has to be that adding help on defense will translate somehow into positives for the offense.

Questionable: Campbell's ego. It's one thing that his team didn't think he was as good as Jay Cutler, but when the Broncos didn't think Campbell was as good as Kyle Orton ...

The Thought: Campbell isn't as good as either of those two. And Portis is going into his eighth season. That's too much heavy lifting for high-volume legs.

Teams like NYJ, Broncos, Bengals, 49ers and Rams were ranked ahead of us. But the
really sad thing is that they ranked the Bucs, who have not determined a starting QB or RB yet, ahead of us too.

Posted by: p1funk | May 30, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

But the really sad thing is that they ranked the Bucs, who have not determined a starting QB or RB yet, ahead of us too.

Posted by: p1funk | May 30, 2009 3:59 PM | ==========================================

Sad for us, or sad for SI?

I'm voting the latter.

In any case, we're going to find out...that's why they still play the games.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 30, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

p1funk, wow, 26th? The Sporting News "team of former NFL scouts" placed Jason Campbell at #18 among NFL QBs and Clinton Portis at #6 among NFL RBs.

I guess SI reporters don't think much of the Skins. They also don't know Mike Williams won't be providing depth, he'll be starting at RT.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 30, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Breaking news.
Harrison's dog that recently hurt 3 people including Harrison's son will get a new home
where he can be rehabilitated, then move on to even a better life.
Michel Vick hurts a dog, he gets jail term and livelihood destroyed; a dog hurts human,
gets nothing but even a better life. Are human insane?

Posted by: abxinc | May 30, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

What a load of HS. Have I been dreaming, or did we end last season running left on almost every single critical running down? No way am I convinced that any of the other OTs are the answer, but I'm pretty damn sure JJ isn't it. Good luck to him, but please cut the whining...not much hope for this season, but at least I may be pleasantly surprised instead of grievously let down.

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | May 30, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Michel Vick hurts a dog, he gets jail term and livelihood destroyed; a dog hurts human,
gets nothing but even a better life. Are human insane?

Posted by: abxinc ****

some humans are indeed insane. Dogs are often taught to be cruel by those very humans, hence the punishment of the human. If you fail to see this, perhaps you ought to look in the mirror?

Posted by: lsskinsfan | May 30, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Barno - Name names. What reporter are you refering to? Reid? Cheez Boy?

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 30, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Michael Vick hurt a dog? I believe he KILLED multiple dogs....by slamming them on the ground and/or electocuting them. And I believe humans as a species are supposed to be smarter than dogs.....but I guess the argument can be made that someone making multi-million dollars playing a game but needing to continue doing an illegal activity doesn't fall under the genius category.

I don't really see how the dog is going to get a "better" life. It's being removed from an NFL player's home, is it moving in with Bill Gates now, where it will get to mingle with all kinds of hot female dogs and be fed lavish steaks for dinner every night?

I would say the better comparison would be a friend of mine who did a crime that involved less jail time than Vick got, but because he has a felony, he couldn't even get an $8.00 an hour job at Wawa. But we are supposed to let Vick make millions again in the NFL? Talk about a double standard. He should be forced to continue making $10.00 an hour working construction like us schlubs with no athletic talent would have to do.

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | May 30, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

It wasn't no lark,
In Anteater Park,
When pitch eight cleared the fence
At Strasburg's expense
And gone was his perfect mark!

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 30, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

ifthethunderdontgetya,

Yes, I meant sad for SI.

When I started my comment off by calling them "chimps", that was a clue as to how highly I think of their footballing opinions.

Posted by: p1funk | May 30, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

The chimps at SI ranked all the NFL backfields (QB plus running backs)...here's how our guys measured up.

26. Washington Redskins
Who: QB Jason Campbell; RB Clinton Portis

Posted by: p1funk | May 30, 2009 3:59 PM

What did you expect Pretty Boy? With that combo in the saddle the Skins finished 2-6!

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 30, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

LH - I forgot to DVR the J Fallon show last night. I missed the performance. UCB has seemed to become Wale's live band. They have made trips elsewhere including NYC performing recently...

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 30, 2009 6:38 AM

Good thing b/c I screwed up. He was on Carson Daly. Here's a link where you can view the performance.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 30, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

What did you expect Pretty Boy? With that combo in the saddle the Skins finished 2-6!


Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 30, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse


...after starting 6-2 and, thus, finishing 8-8. You do realize that they count all 16 regular season games, right?

Posted by: p1funk | May 30, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Please refrain from calling Cork Corky or the Corkster. I think he or she has earned that respect by now, don't you?

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 30, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Just look at the last 10 posts. Whoever takes over this blog has it made. LMAO and I don't really use the acronyms so much.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 30, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

LMAO , ROFL, LOL, all that cybersh*t noise, can kiss my black a**, we'll be living in a THX1138 barcode electronic "Matrix" before too long.. Oh, we already are, hey..

Posted by: frak | May 30, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Lebron was deader than dead tonight, and if I were a cynic I'd say he got paid off by the mob..He was consistently lifeless on both ends of the floor..I hope LA sweeps Van Gundy's slimy mouth out in 4..F*CK YOU, MOB LOSER, YOU F*CKIN' INSTALLED PROP..YOU'RE DOIN' A GREAT JOB , BROWNIE...

Posted by: frak | May 30, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

If I'm too rough tell me I'm so scared your little head will come off in my hands.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 30, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Not like the whole society hasn't been gangsterized by the banksters and their military-mafia-masonic props..They can print up all the money they need for the PNAC's gradualism Nazification project..Plenty of black thomases out there to do the slow genocide of their own people..

Posted by: frak | May 30, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

farky see you on the 25th right? Are you a local boy?

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 30, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Whatever, Smack-loser, BRING IT, I'm ALWAYS ready..

Posted by: frak | May 30, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

"Are you a local boy?"

Posted by: SMACK1

Losah..

Posted by: frak | May 30, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Dude, we aren't gonna be fighting. We's just partying on the day.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 30, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

I tried. Nobody likes you very much.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 30, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 31, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

I don't make dates with undercover a**holes..

Posted by: frak | May 31, 2009 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Well, I heard a couple of Old 97s on the Robbie show (Frostburg St.) and they sounded pretty good, but those guys are dicks, I'll stick to REAL psychobilly from now on...In fact, its all so rotten with mob, corruption and hate, who cares what you commodity-spectacle, imaginationless drones think or do..*click*

Posted by: frak | May 31, 2009 12:38 AM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAhg3Ge7TFM

S'okay man, I like a lot of stuff nobody else likes either.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 31, 2009 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Who cares about backfield rankings and preseason rankings and what not.. Peter king is a D bag, Skins never get respect anyways but they havent done much to earn it either.

I think we still need at least one or two more players. I still think Levi Jones would be a big upgrade at RT but at the same time I dont want to slow down Heyers growth. It is only his 3rd season coming up and i think he could really break through. Our left side is set, Our center is underrated in my opinion. I am concerned about Thomas but maybe rinehart will do work, Heyer scares me a little and Jones would solidify us but thats risky.

If we dont feel the need for Jones then a DE/OLB like Greg Ellis who is about to be cut by dallas would be a great fit for us. I am way too nervous about the LB position.. Fletcher and McIntosh im good with but i dont want a mix of Blades, Wilson, and Fincher on the weak side. Ellis could fill that void and we could keep Orakpo at DE.

Posted by: jeffco01 | May 31, 2009 1:14 AM | Report abuse

The fact that Levi Jones is still available makes me ask the following question: "Why?"

Jon Jansen, despite his clear dropoff in performance and recent history of injuries, was quickly snapped up by the Lions.

Levi Jones has been available for about a month now and is still out there. He was a 10th pick overall and he's only 29 years old right now.

The Skins specifically released a statement saying they have no interest in him about 3 weeks ago.

Lots of teams could use a decent tackle. Why are people avoiding this guy?

Posted by: Alan4 | May 31, 2009 1:53 AM | Report abuse

there ain't nothing like the friend who can tell you you're just pissin' in the wind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU5xTHN7VnI&feature=related

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 31, 2009 2:35 AM | Report abuse

I'm a native of Richmond and am curious about the Nationals AAA minor league team. We lost our braves AAA franchise because our stadium didnt fit the current model and we wouldnt immediately fund a new trendy park.But the wheels are in motion here to build a new stadium downtown,for AA franchise.I ask myself why the Nationals arent interested in locating here,seems like a perfect fit.Anyway can someone tell me about the Nats current minor league franchises?

Posted by: mark65 | May 31, 2009 3:21 AM | Report abuse

I ask myself why the Nationals arent interested in locating here,seems like a perfect fit.Anyway can someone tell me about the Nats current minor league franchises?

Posted by: mark65 | May 31, 2009 3:21 AM |

Mark,

You're probably thrown off by the fact that the BRAVES are a baseball team. Like the INDIANS.

For some reason, the REDSKINS are a football team. We don't have a minor league team in Richmond. Our minor league team is the University of Maryland.

I'm thinking if you want to know about the NATS minor league team, you might want to post your question over on the NATS blog. As far as I know, the NATS are a minor league team, and they are here in DC. I don't know what major league team they are associated with.

Good luck with that.

Posted by: i4abuy | May 31, 2009 6:07 AM | Report abuse

Please refrain from calling Cork Corky or the Corkster. I think he or she has earned that respect by now, don't you?

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 30, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey Smacko, Corky is a term of endearment. I enjoy his comments, respect his views. Do you think we are on a board of directors here.

Posted by: frediefritz | May 31, 2009 7:13 AM | Report abuse

Do you think we are on a board of directors here.

Posted by: frediefritz | May 31, 2009 7:13 AM

Well, duh. The SMACKINATOR is one of the Directors of the blog. Him, chRis LarRy, 4th Floor, nateinthePDX, daggar, dcsweeney. A couple of others. The rest of us, like you, me, and MistaMoe, just work for them.

Posted by: i4abuy | May 31, 2009 7:21 AM | Report abuse

Santana Moss might have a little Yogi Berra in him. Good Stuff.

Posted by: LeftwithNochoice | May 31, 2009 7:34 AM | Report abuse

Santana Moss might have a little Yogi Berra in him.

Posted by: LeftwithNochoice | May 31, 2009 7:34 AM

Right. Two great catchers.

Posted by: i4abuy | May 31, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Just need to make a couple quick comments after watching LeBoohoo crap out of the playoffs last night:

1) These NBA games are actually entertaining and interesting to watch when LeTravel isn't getting all the calls all the time. Right now, in my book, the NBA is dead-even with WWE in terms of sports legitimacy, but after this series it might bump up a notch. I was proud of the refs for not buckling under the pressure and calling fouls on Magic players for looking at LeWitnessMyTeam'sMeltdown cross-eyed.

2) How many washed-up or under-performing teammates does it take to steal someone's glory? Just ask LeCrabDribble...let's see we have Ben Wallace, Joe Smith, Wally Scxzwecvchzxerbiak, Mo Williams...

3) Can we all just admit it openly? Mike Brown is the biggest stooge of a head coach in the NBA. How much coaching acumen does it take to design one play - give the ball to LeCharge at the top of the key and let him do whatever. Real coaches are supposed to do stuff like get production out of everyone on the team, design different kinds of plays, instill confidence and motivation in players. I mean they already have Gatorade-carriers for LeCrybaby, they don't need to give one the title of "head coach".

4) My final thought is about that whole MVPuppets commercial. As I write this, some Nike exec is chewing out David Stern on the phone, demanding answers for why he didn't lean on the zebras and deliver the finals matchup that he promised them. Stern is telling them to go and cram their LeGrimaceAndHoldMyJawLikeSomeoneJustColdCockedMeWithBrassKnuckles doll and come up with a Dwight puppet.

Posted by: p1funk | May 31, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Right now, in my book, the NBA is dead-even with WWE in terms of sports legitimacy,

Posted by: p1funk | May 31, 2009 8:52 AM |

Great post, p1 -- all the way through -- but this particular sentence really summed up my feelings about the NBA. I haven't watched a minute of NBA finals and precisely for this reason. Who the hell cares about a game with random rules.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 31, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

I've already acquired the fix I need!

U know, I used to be a night guy, but lately the morning BJ has been nothing short of STELLAR.

Posted by: Vicc | May 29, 2009 8:40 PM |

Is it because you've finally figured out how to do it without waking the guy up?

Posted by: mack1 | May 31, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I know this is a Redskins blog, but my take on the game is:

LeBron is a GREAT player!!! But what he did last night was bush-league. You sit there grinnin' and cheesin' when you hit the big shot, you puppets and doll babies and sh**, but you can't sit there and answer questions in defeat???

I know he's young and he will probably learn from this, but he acted like a lil' beeyotch!

Posted by: rickyroge | May 31, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

RR you hit that one right on the head.Lebron is probably my favorite player in the league right now because Im the unofficial president of the Kobe hater club,sorry just dont like that cat at all.As much as I wanted to see LJ23 and Kobe square off,the only way the Cavs were going to make it is if Stern ordered the Code Red.Quite honestly they should have been swept.

Posted by: smittdiddy | May 31, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Lebron's behavior was childish and inexcusable! We keep hearing about his "maturity" - where was it last night?

He was voted the NBA MVP and should have shaken the Magic players hands and congratulated them. He also did not participate in the post game presser. Ridiculous!


Posted by: Lisa_R | May 31, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I couldn't disagree more. Well I could. But the general management of the blog now rests in the capable hands of Mista Moe, The Truth, and the Talented One. There's your royalty right there.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 31, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I've had a difficult time watching NBA basketball since circa 1993. It was then that I saw Michael Jordan getting oh-so-many phantom calls that sent him to the line... but if that wasn't bad enough, when the refs swallowed their whistles as the Bulls allegedly blocked 4 straight point blank shots by Charles Smith (Knicks) at the end of a playoff game, I knew the fix was in.

I see LeCrabDribble (nice, p1funk!) and I have flashbacks to that WWE style refereeing.

And why no love for Dwight Howard? He absolutely kicked donkey (14-21 for 40 Pts
14 Rebs, 4 Assists), and all the next-day stories are focused on "Bron Bron"? How disrespectful to the winners.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 31, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I couldn't disagree more. Well I could. But the general management of the blog now rests in the capable hands of Mista Moe, The Truth, and the Talented One. There's your royalty right there.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 31, 2009 10:35 AM

That means nothing. Management reports to the Directors: SMACKINATOR, sweenenheimer, natealator, ChRiS LaRister, etc. Anyway, we three stooges just work here. And, it's about time for the Directors to recognize our hard work with a generous financial reward.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 31, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

That means nothing. Management reports to the Directors: SMACKINATOR, sweenenheimer, natealator, ChRiS LaRister, etc. Anyway, we three stooges just work here. And, it's about time for the Directors to recognize our hard work with a generous financial reward.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 31, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse
You should talk to the Beanster about arranging a bonus.

Posted by: frediefritz | May 31, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Out of sincere respect for all, I'll throw in a 10% raise, too.

Posted by: frediefritz | May 31, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Point being, unless you're going to dig up Ernest Hemingway, I don't care who writes the above. Haven't read it in years. I am here on account of all you fine folk.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 31, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

You should talk to the Beanster about arranging a bonus.

Posted by: frediefritz | May 31, 2009 12:00 PM |

Money was in the budget for a bonus for all of us. The Beanstalkster has kept it for himself.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 31, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I thought Santana was doing a one-year gig at the Tropicana?

Posted by: ElYeah | May 31, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

"Gasoline" - Audioslave. Where's kost when you need him?

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 31, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

LMAO , ROFL, LOL, all that cybersh*t noise, can kiss my black a**, we'll be living in a THX1138 barcode electronic "Matrix" before too long.. Oh, we already are, hey..

Posted by: frak | May 30, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Lebron was deader than dead tonight, and if I were a cynic I'd say he got paid off by the mob..He was consistently lifeless on both ends of the floor..I hope LA sweeps Van Gundy's slimy mouth out in 4..F*CK YOU, MOB LOSER, YOU F*CKIN' INSTALLED PROP..YOU'RE DOIN' A GREAT JOB , BROWNIE...

Posted by: frak


You DO know Hunter Thompson is dead, right?

Posted by: TheCork | May 31, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

You know you're a big football fan if you can pick out Garo Yepremian from a large group of old Armenian guys.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 31, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Point being, unless you're going to dig up Ernest Hemingway, I don't care who writes the above. Haven't read it in years. I am here on account of all you fine folk.

Posted by: SMACK1 |

On behalf of myself, all the other "fine folk" on RI, and William Shatner on SNL let me just say "Get a LIFE!"

Posted by: TheCork | May 31, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Do you think we are on a board of directors here.

Well, duh. The SMACKINATOR is one of the Directors of the blog. Him, chRis LarRy, 4th Floor, nateinthePDX, daggar, dcsweeney. A couple of others. The rest of us, like you, me, and MistaMoe, just work for them.

Posted by: i4abuy | May 31, 2009 7:21 AM

But the general management of the blog now rests in the capable hands of Mista Moe, The Truth, and the Talented One.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 31, 2009 10:35 AM

"board of directors"? "general management"? Geeseth. That is so GM! Hello! This is the web. It is viral. What's that famous quote that you can unchain a man but you can't make him free? Welcome to the RI blog!

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 31, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

LA Times reports today that Michael Oher has been taking all the first team snaps at right tackle for the Ravens. Just sayin'. Not trying to stir controversy. We report, you decide.

I'm sure Orakpo will be fine. I'm positive Heyer will be dandy. If not, I' know Baskin Williams will do great at right tackle. If not him, Jeff Bridges is our man.

Posted by: TheCork | May 31, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Your boy has just put up his final post.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | May 31, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

LA Times reports today that Michael Oher has been taking all the first team snaps at right tackle for the Ravens. Just sayin'. Not trying to stir controversy. We report, you decide.

I'm sure Orakpo will be fine. I'm positive Heyer will be dandy. If not, I' know Baskin Williams will do great at right tackle. If not him, Jeff Bridges is our man.

Posted by: TheCork | May 31, 2009 1:09 PM |

Wow! Imagine that! A first round pick and he's a starter? Who'd a thunk it? That's why we have newspapers -- to get hot news like this.

Did the LA Times report on whether Orakpo is taking any snaps with the first unit for the Redskins?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 31, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

You want to read about the young up and coming Oline studs waiting to replace Jansen, and what he meant to the team, try this:

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/nfl-team-columns/washington-redskins.html

Posted by: TheCork | May 31, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Cork, I'm pretty sure those UPS truck drivers and pizza delivery men will make an elite O-line. So, all 32 teams passed on most of them 7 times.

And if they don't it's time to get a new QB.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 31, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

What the he!! just happened to the blog. I was on Jasno's farewell letter, sending best wishes, and when I sent it, I got "Movable type" error, and now can no longer find it???

Posted by: frediefritz | May 31, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

FF, also can't find that site. I think Brownwood just broke it.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 31, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

You want to read about the young up and coming Oline studs waiting to replace Jansen, and what he meant to the team, try this:

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/nfl-team-columns/washington-redskins.html


Posted by: TheCork | May 31, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse
Hey Corky, thanks for the lead to that article. It sure sounded familiar, like one of our regular RI bloggers, especially the line about MWilliams last playing when you could still buy a Pontiac. Love it!

Posted by: frediefritz | May 31, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

What happened to the 'heartfelt goodbye?'

Posted by: bangkokben | May 31, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

It became a re-felt goodbye.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 31, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Maybe JLC doesn't like long goodbyes... we had our 90 minutes!

Posted by: Alan4 | May 31, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

FF, also can't find that site. I think Brownwood just broke it.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 31, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

That was really weird. I've heard of the "movable type" before, but it never happened to me.

Posted by: frediefritz | May 31, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Exit the warrior!

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 31, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

He Hate Me

Posted by: frak | May 31, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Now I wish I'd read it. Thought it would be there for all eternity.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 31, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Now I wish I'd read it. Thought it would be there for all eternity.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 31, 2009 2:50 PM

It probably wasn't real, anyway. It was long and only had one real Jasno stroke, "ip" for "up." Maybe when he saw how much six of us missed him he decided not to go? Or maybe Cnyder and Serrato got him fired already?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 31, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

"You DO know Hunter Thompson is dead, right?"

Yeah, after he got suicided before he could publish inside job information on 9-11..

Posted by: frak | May 31, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Resulting in the drought of conspiracy theories. How does a big ol jet air liner punch a twenty foot circle through four layers of reinforced concrete. Where are all the surveillance tapes?

Who cares, Jasno's up and leaving!

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 31, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Sick of the Frak..Saw "Woodstock" on cable and man, what a whining screechpack CSNY was..the occasional Neil Young on smack solo the only redeeming breakmark..

Posted by: frak | May 31, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Putting on t-shirt. It's getting to be evening now.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 31, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I'd pet the flies on neil young's dick and don't you ever forget it.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 31, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

You want to read about the young up and coming Oline studs waiting to replace Jansen, and what he meant to the team, try this:

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/nfl-team-columns/washington-redskins.html

Posted by: TheCork | May 31, 2009 1:13 PM

Seriously, how could you credit this? People can criticize the current o-line crop but this guy sounds like he hasn't seen Jansen play in recent seasons.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 31, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

(the embarrassing silence after the embarrassing image)

Posted by: frak | May 31, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

observing

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 31, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, how could you credit this? People can criticize the current o-line crop but this guy sounds like he hasn't seen Jansen play in recent seasons.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 31, 2009 3:33 PM |

And, he hasn't seen any of the competition in practice and has completely ignored what the coaches have said about Jansen and the rest of the team.

Otherwise, this is good solid journalism of the type which Cork thinks we shouldn't be criticizing: hate-driven.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 31, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Jerry Smith was gay..It happens..

Posted by: frak | May 31, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

But how did he feel about flies?

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 31, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 31, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, how could you credit this? People can criticize the current o-line crop but this guy sounds like he hasn't seen Jansen play in recent seasons.

Posted by: learnedhand1

And--shocker!--you missed the point. The point is NOT that jansen has deteriorated and needing replacement--he has and he does. The point is a competent organization would plan for that with viable candidates to replace him. (Maybe the redskins FO hasn't sen him play?) The point is, the Redskins OLine youth brigade is what i wrote that it was. Rinehart (a bust so far) a single seventh rounder, and the rest are UFAs.

It was in the article. No wonder JLC went to TV where you expect people to not pay attention

Posted by: TheCork | May 31, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Chinatown rats, as big as cats..Ran into Notorius and Piddy outside my cop spot, Piddy went on full alert, starin' me down but then Notorious said, "He cool"..

Posted by: frak | May 31, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

If my computer on the fritz or did the Jasno goodbye disappear?

Posted by: TheCork | May 31, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Is my computer on the fritz or did the Jasno goodbye disappear?

Posted by: TheCork | May 31, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

"You have a lot of friends that didn't make it to that day, you have a lot of people that you grew up with, good people, that didn't get the chance."

-Gotta think he had Sean Taylor (among others) in mind when he made this comment. Good for him.

.21.

Posted by: TheSia | May 31, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Corky made the interesting observation that even with MWilliams at ORT, our average line age will be over 30. CSamuels and RThomas raise the average, and both are coming of operations. So we have to wait and see how their bodies will hold up.

What I find interesting is that now oursecond string OL are much younger, and I think we will have better depth this year. If MWilliams starts, then SHeyer and DClark back up OT. Don't know about Clark, but I like Heyer. I made the assumption that WMontgomery would back up OG with CRinehart. I'm hearing good things about Rinehart, but don't know much about Montgomery. Actually, Bridges could be in the mix at either OG, both of which he has played. EWilliams is the only rookie backup. Don't know much about him. So center is our biggest hole right now.

Posted by: frediefritz | May 31, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

And--shocker!--you missed the point.

Posted by: TheCork | May 31, 2009 4:05 PM

Hey, Cork, where do get off blaming your reader for missing your point? Whenever I write something and people don't read it the way I meant it, I assume that I must not have written it well.

And, yeah, the Jasno farewell did disappear. Maybe people weren't getting his point and he decided to rewrite it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 31, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

"...his is good solid journalism of the type which Cork thinks we shouldn't be criticizing: hate-driven."--T_E

Talent_evaluator—

You should start your own Encyclopedia. Here’s your first entry.

“Hate filled journalism”---Journalism which differs from the reader’s opinion.

Your post nevertheless makes some interesting points.

“and he hasn’t seen any of the competition in practice.” TRUE.

I have not. I know that even if I had, I can’t make a reasoned evaluation of eventual NFL skill sets based on 120 guys running around in shorts. Is that what you suggest? Surely, Shirley, you don’t think the redskin coaches can—especially when one of the guys they are depending on was too fat to run around in shorts.

“and has completely ignored what the coaches have said about Jansen and the rest of the team.” TRUE and FALSE

The implication here is that it is a journalist’s duty to accept at face value what his sources say, even when he hasn’t had eyes on the topic. That’s false. But I read what they said, believe some statements to be true, especially when they seem logical. I had HOPED Jansen would recover from his injuries, I accept at face value he probably has not.

What you have chosen to conveniently ignore, is the point of the column—the young players Bugel is expected to coach up. As I said in the piece Bugel is a genius at such things. Nevertheless, it seems a near impossible task, one given him by a front office blissfully unaware of how successful teams build an offensive line.

If several UFA’s are Joe Jacobi types, that would be wonderful—it would also be as likely as me winning the lottery.

Posted by: TheCork | May 31, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

voyeur..of emptiness..

Posted by: frak | May 31, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

We have 4 proven, starting quality OLs right (Samuels, Dock, Rabach, and Thomas), assuming 2 of them successfully come back from major surgeries. Everyone else is a project.

An honest assessment would be that 60% of the starting O-line is an unknown at this point.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 31, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

“Hate filled journalism”---Journalism which differs from the reader’s opinion.

Posted by: TheCork | May 31, 2009 4:38 PM

There you are again, beating that straw man.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 31, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

in the last 6 drafts (nearly 40 picks), the Skins have made 3 selections on the OL. A 3rd, 6th and 7th round pick. Molinaro, Lefotu, Rinehart.

If you're not gonna draft guys for the OL, then you need to be very very lucky. The Skins are COUNTING on being very very LUCKY. Which isn't something a smart front office does.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 31, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Money was in the budget for a bonus for all of us. The Beanstalkster has kept it for himself.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 31, 2009 12:20 PM
===========================================

I heard he spent it all on hookers and blow.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 31, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Where did this go to?

Posted at 12:52 PM ET, 05/31/2009
A Heartfelt Good-bye

When we kicked this blog off just before the 2006 season, I'm not sure anyone had lofty expectations. I was eager and happy to explore a new forum to try to post breaking news as quickly as possible, share a little bit of myself and, best-case scenario, entertain on occasion. We ended up building a cool little community that became very dear to my heart. Sure, we had some dust-ups from time to time, but Redskins Insider became in some ways an extension of myself, and that the fact that so many of you guys put a little bit of yourselves into it has always blown me away, and always will. Even those who chose to use the comments section to blast me still took the time to write, and the readership, support and friendship so many of you granted me will always stay with me.

So it is not without sincere emotion that I tell you guys that I am moving on. My family and I recently made a decision to accept an offer from the NFL Network and NFL.com to become a part of their growing news-gathering and reporting organization. I know some of you may have read rumblings of this on the internet last week, and I wish I could have been the first to blog about it, but there were still some things being finalized last week and I wasn't in a position to say much until everything was official (being on the opposite side of a press release was one of the more bizarre experiences of my life).

Continue reading this post »

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 31, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Where did this go to?

Posted at 12:52 PM ET, 05/31/2009
A Heartfelt Good-bye


Posted by: Curzon417 | May 31, 2009 5:21 PM

This is what everyone's been wondering for five hours now. I bet the Commissioner heard about that trick he played on Barno and refused to approve the contract or, at least, has suspended him for the first four games of the season.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 31, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

The implication here is that it is a journalist’s duty to accept at face value what his sources say, even when he hasn’t had eyes on the topic. That’s false. But I read what they said, believe some statements to be true, especially when they seem logical. I had HOPED Jansen would recover from his injuries, I accept at face value he probably has not.


And there inlies the crux of the problem so many of us has had with JLC's reporting on this blog.He quotes his sources,and reports their opinion as fact.


If several UFA’s are Joe Jacobi types, that would be wonderful—it would also be as likely as me winning the lottery.


Posted by: TheCork | May 31, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse


How would any of us know if they're Joe Jacoby types if they haven't taken the field yet?

only the people who are on the inside evaluating these guys have that knowledge of their potential.and let me also add that one of the evaluators help to assemble the Hogs,so i would assume he knows a little about building an o-line.

Posted by: jumbo5383 | May 31, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Could be the WaPo is still trying to verify the source of this NFLN hiring story.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 31, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Classic.

JLA can't even bow out of RI without some sketchball antics to go with it.

Maybe someone told NFLN that 95% of the posts on JLA's popular blog were ripping him...

...or even better. Sneratto waited for the "good-bye" post to come out before picking up the phone to Goodell and railroading things...what better way to make JLA look like a schlub, eh?

Posted by: p1funk | May 31, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Could be the WaPo is still trying to verify the source of this NFLN hiring story.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 31, 2009 5:33 PM |

LMAO. Good one, Curzon. Or he misspelled his name when he signed the contract.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 31, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

How would any of us know if they're Joe Jacoby types if they haven't taken the field yet?

only the people who are on the inside evaluating these guys have that knowledge of their potential.and let me also add that one of the evaluators help to assemble the Hogs,so i would assume he knows a little about building an o-line.

Posted by: jumbo5383


Could the next Joe Jacoby be a recently signed FA that's joining our next training camp session? The oddsmakers say the Nats have a better shot at a World Series title.

Hoping you come across a Joe Jacoby in free agency pays off ... about every 50 years or so.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 31, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Hoping you come across a Joe Jacoby in free agency pays off ... about every 50 years or so.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 31, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse


lol,do you realize how many unrestricted free agents are in the league along both lines?

Posted by: jumbo5383 | May 31, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

lol,do you realize how many unrestricted free agents are in the league along both lines?

Posted by: jumbo5383

yup, and I've also got an idea of how many try out and how many play at the level Jacoby played at

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 31, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Cork why don't you re-read the article. The headline says Jansen was thrown under the bus. The writer begins the piece by saying few (I assume including himself) saw JJ's dismissal coming this soon. He then recounts JJ's injuries; praises how he played with injuries; and says when healthy he gives all you can expect from a football player. He said that Heyer won the starting job last year because Jansen was "crippled." Apparently this dude thinks JJ can still play. If his point really was about the FO then why didn't he do it in the first seven grafs instead of instead of polishing Jansen.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 31, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

The writer begins the piece by saying few (I assume including himself) saw JJ's dismissal coming this soon. .

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 31, 2009 8:43 PM |

LH, Cork was "the writer." Cork=John Corcoran. He was up her plugging his own stuff, polishing his own nob. He's the one who thinks JJ was "thrown under the bus."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 31, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Hey - haven't been over here in awhile and was just browsing the comments. JLC is not longer the RI guy? What's the story since his face is still at the top of the page!

Posted by: suzannepdc | May 31, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

LC is not longer the RI guy? What's the story since his face is still at the top of the page!

Posted by: suzannepdc | May 31, 2009 9:01 PM |

Always good to see you back, Suzanne. The "official" announcement has not been made yet. It leaked out on PFT.com that he was leaving for NFL.com. He even had a "farewell address" earlier today but it was taken down after about an hour. Not clear why but, yeah, we expect he's leaving.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 31, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Thanks TE - I was looking for something that JLC posted and couldn't find anything.

Been hanging out on the Caps Insider (with some of you). Have learned SO much about hockey in the last few months - totally hooked now. (But the Skins will always be my first love!)

Posted by: suzannepdc | May 31, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Clarity on unrestricted FA along the OL.

Pro Bowl OLs
Round picked/ guy
2 / fluzy adams **
2 / Chad Clifton
1 / Walter Jones **
2 / Matt Light
2 / Marcus McNeill
1 / Johnny Ogden **
U / jason peters (2PB, just 27)
1 / Chris Samuels **
1 / Joe Thomas
U / Kris Dielman (2PB age 28)
1 / Alan Faneca **
1 / Steve Hutchinson **
1 / Logan Mankins
6 / Matt Birk **
2 / andre gurode
5 / Dan Koppen (1PB)
U / Jeff Saturday (3 PB in 10 years)
1 / shawn andrews
1 / lenny davis
1 / Jordan Gross
1 / Jake Long
1 / Nick Mangold
2 / Kevin Mawae **
U / shaun o'hara (1PB in 9 years)
U / Casey Weigmann (1PB in 12 years)
1 / Davin Joseph
2 / chris snee
1 / Jamaal Brown
1 / Tarik Glenn
2 / larry allen **
1 / Ruben Brown **
U / Brian Waters 4PB in 9 yrs
3 / Nick Hardwick
3 / Olin Kruetz **
3 / Will Shields **
1 / Willie Anderson
1 / Orlando Pace **
1 / Willie Roaf **
S / Mike Wahle (supplemental draft?)
2 / LeCharles Bentley
1 / Jeff Hartings
U / Robbie Tobeck (1 pro bowl in 12 years)


** 5 or more PBs -- ie HOF consideration worthy


Also of note: U / Ethan Albright (1PB!)


OK. onto the analysis.
42 OL have earned PR berths between 2005-2008. 7 were undrafted.
Saturday, peters, Dielman, o'hara, Tobeck, Waters and Weigmann.

4 of these undrafted guys made more than 1 PB. Saturday, peters, Dielman and Waters.

Out of the 42, 14 guys have 5 or more PB to their credit -- ie, they'll merit serious consideration for HOF. None of the undrafted guys have 5, though Waters is at 4 and 2 of the players, peters and Dielman, are still young.

Jacoby (who hasn't gotten nearly enough consideration) had 4 PB and was All Decade in the 1980's.

So what are the odds of an undrafted FA being another Joe Jacoby? As of now, there are 3-4 guys in the NFL that are somewhere 'in the vicinity' -- peters, Dielman, Waters and Saturday -- though I doubt any of these guys would be ranked ahead of Jacoby on anyone's list of the best OL ever.

Also of note, there are only 2 guys on the list who were drafted below round 3.

Getting a Joe Jacoby via an undrafted FA is very unusual. However, there is talent that goes undrafted that becomes good players.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 31, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

lol,do you realize how many unrestricted free agents are in the league along both lines?

Posted by: jumbo5383 | May 31, 2009 7:22 PM

I'd bet a fairly small handful.

Clarification:

Undrafted Free Agent =/= Unrestricted Free Agent.

Derrick Dockery came back to the Skins as an unrestricted free agent, but he was orginally drafted by the Skins with the 81st overall pick in the draft (3rd round).

The article Cork wrote mentioned that we have 6 UNDRAFTED free agents hankering for our O-line.

Good undrafted free agents can be found--Kurt Warner was such a UFA, as was Pro-Bowl LT Jason Peters, who was converted from tight end. It's like winning the lottery.

Other than Joe Jacoby, can you name any good UFA OLs for the Skins? The odds are against you.

Chris Samuels - 1st round (3rd pick overall)
Casey Rabach - 3rd round (92nd overall)
Randy Thomas - 2nd round (57th overall)
Jon Jansen - 2nd round (37th overall)
Derrick Dockery - 3rd round (81st overall)

Posted by: Alan4 | May 31, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Thannks for the research, zce! You put numbers to my "small handful" comment.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 31, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Getting a Joe Jacoby via an undrafted FA is very unusual. However, there is talent that goes undrafted that becomes good players.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 31, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse


I guess this is really my point.

So many of you guys act as if the Skins are supposed to have hof talent at every position including backups....
and for the record Joe Jacoby was cork benchmark not mine

Posted by: jumbo5383 | May 31, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

your post at 9:19 illustrates what i'm saying....you post all of the probowl linemen of the past 8 years,but how about the guys that play to the level of a Jon jansen? 10 years without a probowl but solid none the less

Posted by: jumbo5383 | May 31, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

your post at 9:19 illustrates what i'm saying....you post all of the probowl linemen of the past 8 years,but how about the guys that play to the level of a Jon jansen? 10 years without a probowl but solid none the less

Posted by: jumbo5383 | May 31, 2009 9:58 PM

Can you name any guys like that who played for the Skins since Jacoby left?

Posted by: Alan4 | May 31, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

OK. onto the analysis.
42 OL have earned PR berths between 2005-2008. 7 were undrafted.
Saturday, peters, Dielman, o'hara, Tobeck, Waters and Weigmann.


Ok so riddle me this.between 05 and 08 35 drafted linemen mad the probowl out of how many that were drafted?

your list just kinda makes my point.1 out of every 7 o-lineman was undrafted and turned out to be probowl caliber,so out of the list cork posted the Skins should have atleast 1 probowler in the group....if the skins have another John Runyan,or LeviJones(whom so many on this site clamor for) on the roster would you guys be happy with them,or disappionted because they weren't drafted?

Posted by: jumbo5383 | May 31, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Can you name any guys like that who played for the Skins since Jacoby left?


Posted by: Alan4 | May 31, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse


Am i really supposed to remember every o-lineman and where or if they were drafted in the past 20 years?

Posted by: jumbo5383 | May 31, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

And the short answer would be that since he retired we have had 1 hof caliber lineman,and that's Samuals,whom this front office drafted

Posted by: jumbo5383 | May 31, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

You'd remember if a UFA had a 10 year career on the Skins O-line, trust me. You don't remember beacause anyone other than Jacoby because it hasn't happened.

Samuels was the #3 pick overall in the draft, not one of the diamond-in-the-rough UFAs we were talking about. I'm not sure what point you were trying to make there.

Basically, Samuels is one of the reasons for Cork's article--the Skins refusal to address the O-line problems in the draft as our long-ago drafted stalwarts move well north of 30 years old.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 31, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

...if the skins have another John Runyan,or LeviJones(whom so many on this site clamor for) on the roster would you guys be happy with them,or disappionted because they weren't drafted?

Posted by: jumbo5383 | May 31, 2009 10:10 PM

Levi Jones was a 1st round pick (10th overall) in the draft, and Runyan was a 4 round pick (109) overall.

They don't have much in common with the group in Corks list, who were passed over by all 32 teams multiple times in the draft.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 31, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

And i guess you missed the list that you commented on might i add that proves 1 out of 7 probowl linmen were undrafted?

Posted by: jumbo5383 | May 31, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Jumbo: (or should we call you Vinny)?

Zeke's point was that relying on undrafted free agents is not an approach that gets you to a strong Oline. This is the approach that we are currently on, with a couple of zigs and zags: some dude who has carried around 450 lbs for the 3 or 4 years since his last start, some dude that got 'coached up' by Buges but still was not better than a crippled JJ in Buges's estimation, and then Jeremy Bridges.

Yes, I buy lottery tickets too. But this is not the way to keep JC, who everyone agrees could use a couple extra seconds than most given his delivery, off his back.


Posted by: zornskins2 | May 31, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Levi Jones was a 1st round pick (10th overall) in the draft, and Runyan was a 4 round pick (109) overall.

They don't have much in common with the group in Corks list, who were passed over by all 32 teams multiple times in the draft.


my point was you don't have to be a probowler to be concidered good in this league...


And my point about Samuals was that you guys act as if this front office just doesn't know talent

Posted by: jumbo5383 | May 31, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse


"And my point about Samuals was that you guys act as if this front /office just doesn't know talent"

Well, Vinny, I am excited by the idea that the FO knows talent (this appears to be your view). But I am afraid it is a minority one. This FO is ready to spend money, which makes them better than some others. But if you wanted to make the claim that this FO is better at spotting talent than the rest of the NFC East, or even the rest of the teams that finished last in their division last year, you would be swimming upstream on this blog at least (and in the view of most experts)

Also, Samuels is spelled with an E.

zornskins

Posted by: zornskins2 | May 31, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Well, Vinny, I am excited by the idea that the FO knows talent (this appears to be your view). But I am afraid it is a minority one. This FO is ready to spend money, which makes them better than some others. But if you wanted to make the claim that this FO is better at spotting talent than the rest of the NFC East, or even the rest of the teams that finished last in their division last year, you would be swimming upstream on this blog at least (and in the view of most experts)

Also, Samuels is spelled with an E.

zornskins

Posted by: zornskins2 | May 31, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Just so i understand you...buffalo,Detroit,the rams,kansas city,cleveland,and jacksonville all have better talent than the Redskins???? WOW,do you actually watch any games?


And tell me what good probowl player have the cowboys,or eagles have drafted in the past 5-6 years? just give me 3...

Posted by: jumbo5383 | May 31, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

You guys always censor relevant posts (I hate the CIA/masonic d*cks that run the Post)...I hate mason-mob Stern, I =hate Vegas M&M Goodell, I hate CIA-Mob NHL dweeb, I hate MLB mafia/New York/Roman imperial/spazboy, etc...American sports has been effectively reduced to a Hollywood/Las Vegas broken down movie star begging for steroids, you can thank the PNAC fash and Co. for most of it..

Posted by: frak | May 31, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Realisitically, that list showed 4 top OL that were undrafted. Out of the entire league (there are 3 guys who made 1 PB each). Now look at how many FA OL that are out there. Lots and lots. So its not a 1/7 chance or a 1/10 chance for a undrafted FA turns into a top player.

The number that's really noteworthy ... 33/42 of these guys were drafted in rounds 1-3. In other words, the guys drafting DO have a clue on what it takes to make a good OL. Of the 14 that would seem have a shot at Canton, 13 were picked in rounds 1-3.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 31, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

My opinion on OL, fwiw, isn't about having great players. I'd rather have 2 good OL than 1 great guy and 1 so-so guy. I go with the weakest link theory. Slightly modified.

Defenses are always looking to find mismatches. To me, an OL can best be defined by the 'smallest' mismatch. That is, a great OT matched up against a great DE is kind of a wash. But if the matchup next to them is bad G vs a good DT, that's the defining matchup.

If I rated OL on a 10 scale, I'd rather have 5 guys all at 8 for a total of 40, than 1 guy at 10, 1 guy at 6 and the rest at 8. Because the defense attacks the 6.

The Skins issue is that they have Samuels, who has been a 10, but guys who are a good bit less than that. Vs Seattle in the playoffs 2 seasons ago, there was a huge mismatch (Kearney vs Heyer) on the right side which dominated that game.

In 2008, it seemed teams found mismatches the entire second half. If it wasn't Jansen getting owned, it was Rabach or Thomas.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 1, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Realisitically, that list showed 4 top OL that were undrafted. Out of the entire league (there are 3 guys who made 1 PB each). Now look at how many FA OL that are out there. Lots and lots. So its not a 1/7 chance or a 1/10 chance for a undrafted FA turns into a top player.

The number that's really noteworthy ... 33/42 of these guys were drafted in rounds 1-3. In other words, the guys drafting DO have a clue on what it takes to make a good OL. Of the 14 that would seem have a shot at Canton, 13 were picked in rounds 1-3.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 31, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

lol,a good o-lineman doesn't mean a good o-line...all i want to see from the skins is a line thats good enough,i'm not like a ravens fan(and some of you guys) and think that every player we aquire is or should be hof caliber,give me a team that has a chance to win every week which is what we have here and i'm happy....


I really feel as if this team just can't satisfy some of the fans...they have the number 4 deffence and all we hear about is the lack of depth and or lack of sacks..Portis runs for 1400 yards and you guys complain that he didn't do it down the stretch..the line was old and leaky to say the least,and they release 1 and didn't resign another and we complain about those moves...


you're good at research,tell me how many of the patriots,eagles,steelers,ravens and colts linemen were-are ufa

Posted by: jumbo5383 | June 1, 2009 12:15 AM | Report abuse

My opinion on OL, fwiw, isn't about having great players. I'd rather have 2 good OL than 1 great guy and 1 so-so guy. I go with the weakest link theory. Slightly modified.

Defenses are always looking to find mismatches. To me, an OL can best be defined by the 'smallest' mismatch. That is, a great OT matched up against a great DE is kind of a wash. But if the matchup next to them is bad G vs a good DT, that's the defining matchup.

If I rated OL on a 10 scale, I'd rather have 5 guys all at 8 for a total of 40, than 1 guy at 10, 1 guy at 6 and the rest at 8. Because the defense attacks the 6.

The Skins issue is that they have Samuels, who has been a 10, but guys who are a good bit less than that. Vs Seattle in the playoffs 2 seasons ago, there was a huge mismatch (Kearney vs Heyer) on the right side which dominated that game.

In 2008, it seemed teams found mismatches the entire second half. If it wasn't Jansen getting owned, it was Rabach or Thomas.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 1, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse


Now this i can agree with

Posted by: jumbo5383 | June 1, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

And tell me what good probowl player have the cowboys,or eagles have drafted in the past 5-6 years? just give me 3...


Posted by: jumbo5383 | May 31, 2009 11:17 PM

Cowboys:
DeMarcus Ware (OLB) Round: 1, Pick: 11 2005.
3× Pro Bowl selection (2006, 2007, 2008)
1× Second-Team All-Pro selection (2006)
2× First-Team All-Pro selection (2007, 2008)
2007 All Iron Award Winner
2008 Galloping Gobbler Award Winner
2008 NFL Butkus Award

Andre Gurode (center) Round: 2 / Pick: 37 2002
3× Pro Bowl selection (2006, 2007, 2008)
1× All-Pro selection (2007) [1]

Jay Ratliff (Nose Tackle) Round: 7 / Pick: 224, 2005
Pro Bowl selection (2008)

Eagles:
Shawn Andrews (Guard) Round: 1 / Pick: 16: 2004
First-Team All-Pro selection (2006)
3× Pro Bowl selection (2005, 2006, 2007)


How about I stop here?

Posted by: Alan4 | June 1, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Other than Joe Jacoby, can you name any good UFA OLs for the Skins? The odds are against you.

Yup. Sure can.

Jeff Bostic-acquired after cut by Iggles

R.C. Thieleman-former Falcon, signed by Skins

Jim Lachey was traded rather than having to cut him and not get anything in return...

and those are just off the top of my head...and guys who were around a contributed...

Posted by: ThinkingMan | June 1, 2009 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Other than Joe Jacoby, can you name any good UFA OLs for the Skins? The odds are against you.

Yup. Sure can.

Jeff Bostic-acquired after cut by Iggles

R.C. Thieleman-former Falcon, signed by Skins

Jim Lachey was traded to 'Skins rather than having to cut him and not get anything in return...

and those are just off the top of my head...and guys who were around a contributed...

Posted by: ThinkingMan | June 1, 2009 12:30 AM | Report abuse

jumbo, I don't think we need pro-bowlers on the line either. Read the thread, you'll never see that in my comments. I want competence, and rignt now we're missing that at a lot of positions.

And you ASSUME that Samuels will recover from his injury and surgery to return to Pro-Bowl form.... you ASSUME Thomas will also recover from his career threatening injury and surgery, and perform competently. We KNOW the O-line is weak/unfilled at RT and average at Center. The only solid spot right now is OLG, with Dockery.

Again, I'm not looking for Pro-Bowlers, I just have no reason to believe most of the positions will even be adequately manned. All we have right now is hope in a lot of "project" type players.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 1, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Who gives a flying f*ck when you're hounded as the military-mason-mafias designated scapegoat?? The b8stard-b*tch had it coming, she soldout to the CIA-Mafia, a real backstabber Judas//

Posted by: frak | June 1, 2009 12:35 AM | Report abuse

ThinkingMan, I'll give you Bostic, even though he doesn't really meet the 20 year cut (read the original thread) since he arrived in 1980.

But Lachey was a 1st round draft pick (12th overall) and RC Thieleman was a 2nd rounder.

When I say UFAs, I'm talking about undrafted.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 1, 2009 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Who gives a flying f*ck when you're hounded as the military-mason-mafias designated scapegoat?? The b8stard-b*tch had it coming, she soldout to the CIA-Mafia, a real backstabber Judas//

Posted by: frak | June 1, 2009 12:35 AM | Report abuse


Calm down Joe Pesci.

Posted by: Vicc | June 1, 2009 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Uh um,


"...Again, I'm not looking for Pro-Bowlers..."

Posted by: Alan4 | June 1, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse

"...but sometimes blatantly flawed thinking must be pointed out.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 30, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse


As you were soldier; Thanx for choosing the Washington Redskins.

Posted by: Vicc | June 1, 2009 1:03 AM | Report abuse

Other than Joe Jacoby, can you name any good UFA OLs for the Skins? The odds are against you.

Jim Lachey was traded to 'Skins rather than having to cut him and not get anything in return...

Posted by: ThinkingMan | June 1, 2009 12:30 AM |

Think again, Thinking Man. Jim Lachey was traded to the Skins for a starting left tackle, John Clay, and two picks -- a third and a fourth. He was anything but a free agent. He cost more than Kendall or even TJ Duckett.

Posted by: i4abuy | June 1, 2009 6:21 AM | Report abuse

"Think again, Thinking Man. Jim Lachey was traded to the Skins for a starting left tackle, John Clay, and two picks -- a third and a fourth. He was anything but a free agent. He cost more than Kendall or even TJ Duckett.Posted by: i4abuy"

Wasn't Jim Lachey traded to the Skins for a QB named Jay Schroeder? In one of the better heists, I might mention.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 1, 2009 7:45 AM | Report abuse

thinking: "Jim Lachey was traded to 'Skins rather than having to cut him and not get anything in return.."

Untrue. Lachey was in his prime. Not a 'perennial Pro Bowler' as the blogs like to call him, but somebody who'd make it 3 times.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 1, 2009 7:47 AM | Report abuse

jumbo, I don't think we need pro-bowlers on the line either. Read the thread, you'll never see that in my comments. I want competence, and rignt now we're missing that at a lot of positions.

And you ASSUME that Samuels will recover from his injury and surgery to return to Pro-Bowl form.... you ASSUME Thomas will also recover from his career threatening injury and surgery, and perform competently. We KNOW the O-line is weak/unfilled at RT and average at Center. The only solid spot right now is OLG, with Dockery.

Again, I'm not looking for Pro-Bowlers, I just have no reason to believe most of the positions will even be adequately manned. All we have right now is hope in a lot of "project" type players.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 1, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse


I would like for you to show where i assumed Samuel and,Thomas were going to come back in probowl form?????

On the other hand YOU assume that none of the guys that they have been coaching up for the past 2-3 years will amount to anything.

Let's just agree to disagree because i'm sure that there are a ton of udf starting along the lines threw out the nfl,and you're sure that there aren't alot of ufa in the probowl every year

Posted by: jumbo5383 | June 1, 2009 8:10 AM | Report abuse

I cannot believe that I have finally been replaced on the blog as local wack job by frak.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 1, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

wow...frak and smack...get yourselves to rehab...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 1, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Sorry to interrupt again with more LeBrat bashing, but I just had to...

Here's what he said about storming off the court without shaking hands with the Magic players:

"It's hard for me to congratulate somebody after you just lose to them," he said. "I'm a winner. It's not being a poor sport or anything like that. If somebody beats you up, you're not going to congratulate them. That doesn't make sense to me. I'm a competitor. That's what I do. It doesn't make sense for me to go over and shake somebody's hand."

One wonders what his definition of "poor sport" is. He openly admits that after losing a big game he's too pouty and ticked off to congragulate the other guy.

Am I wrong? Or is that not the general definition of "poor sport"?

Posted by: p1funk | June 1, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Yes p1 it is a very poor sport thing to do. I saw a guy do something like that growing up.. He ended up having serious issues as an adult.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 1, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

I am pro Frak & Smack. Weird is good. Let your freak flag fly. To many people are terminally straight and dull up here.

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro"

from the lips of the great football man HST!

Posted by: chrislarry | June 1, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

You're not gonna have JLC to kick around anymore!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | June 1, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Jeff Bridges is our man

POSTED BY THE CORK

Hey Cork you know if you take a rug from this "Dude" you'd better take the floor too!

Posted by: ElYeah | June 1, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

It's not my fault I was pwned by frak. I blame my crummy teammates.

Posted by: SMACK1 | June 1, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Folks spent some time complaining about Edwin Williams' mugshot on the sports' page some days again.

But the one they have up now featuring Jon Jansen is one that bites in ironic ways.

Skins fans with memories can reflect back on the fact that despite the o-line issues the team has today, the Washington Redskins once featured two excellent tackles in Chris Samuels and Jon Jansen.

The guy who called St Joe's style, "It's an 1980s offense,..." is now himself a thing of the past: except he leaves with no rings, no HOF consideration, and a 6 million dollar cap hit.

Ironically, it's a hit the team needed to take.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 1, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Alan4

Strong point here:

"Other than Joe Jacoby, can you name any good UFA OLs for the Skins? The odds are against you.

Chris Samuels - 1st round (3rd pick overall)
Casey Rabach - 3rd round (92nd overall)
Randy Thomas - 2nd round (57th overall)
Jon Jansen - 2nd round (37th overall)
Derrick Dockery - 3rd round (81st overall)"


No matter what happens this season, next year's draft screams: DRAFT SOME LINEMEN.....please!

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 1, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

One wonders what his definition of "poor sport" is. He openly admits that after losing a big game he's too pouty and ticked off to congragulate the other guy.

Am I wrong? Or is that not the general definition of "poor sport"?

Posted by: p1funk | June 1, 2009 8:55 AM

After that whole "crab-dribble" nonsense, I'm still trying to get an idea of what his definition of "traveling" is!

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 1, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Don't hate on Lebron. He was late for a Nets uniform fitting so he had to get out of there.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 1, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Lebron…….what a crybaby. While I like him for keeping his nose clean and the occasional show of a good sense of humor, what a crybaby. I think he’s a good player, but he still acts really immature. I still can’t believe that they didn’t give him a flagrant in the playoffs a couple years ago when he essentially punched Andray Blatche in the face while he (Lebron) was taking a shot….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 1, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

still can’t believe that they didn’t give him a flagrant in the playoffs a couple years ago when he essentially punched Andray Blatche in the face ****

They ought to give him a flagrant for the gross way he chews and shows his mouth guard constantly, and Kobe too for chewing his jersey....

Posted by: lsskinsfan | June 1, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

People bashing Zorn about cutting Jansen must not have been on this blog the last 2 years when all the posters were asking for him to be cut....Jansen was a warrior and gave us some great years, but he was too old and beat up to be a productive tackle in this league anymore. Give the Skins credit for giving him a chance to try to squeeze out another year as a backup guard or center, but it was no surprise he was cut. The shame is the salary cap hit the Skins took by extending him a few years ago knowing he had a history of injuries.

I hope that Jansen doesn't try to continue to hang on by signing one-year deals with teams like Detroit. It's hard to hang it up for any athlete, but Jansen hopefully won't have any more serious injuries that will impact him later after his football career is over.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 1, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

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