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Moss Isn't Worried about Overuse

Jason Reid reports:

Wide receiver Santana Moss overcame a sore hamstring in leading the Redskins past the Lions. Moss had nine receptions - including a 50-yard touchdown in the third quarter - for 140 yards and also returned a punt 80 yards for a touchdown in the fourth quarter.

Although slowed by hamstring, groin and heel injuries last season, Moss said he's not concerned about wearing down physically in the second half. "Football brings a lot of stuff," he said. "I don't sit here and worry about some things like that. I just do what I do to get me right, and that's all I can do.

"I'm not going to worry about stuff that's happened in the past. That's the past. This is the present, this is the future, and what's going on with me now ain't got nothing to do with before. All I can do is deal with it the way it is right now."

Moss, who has 42 receptions, is fifth in the NFL with 658 yards receiving. He has five touchdown catches.

Wide receiver Antwaan Randle El still is the team's primary punt returner, but Moss volunteered to field one or two punts a game in an effort to provide a lift on special teams. The Redskins have not asked Moss to do too much, Moss said.

"I'm back there one time a game, so that's nothing," he said. "I told Coach [Jim Zorn] going into the season that I would like to be back there at least once a game or twice a game if they need me. Overuse ain't even a word.

"When you're out there playing football, you just trying to be used enough to win the game. That's all I'm worried about. I don't worry about how many more reps I got. I want more opportunities to give ourselves a chance to win. So that's what it's about."

By Cindy Boren  |  October 28, 2008; 12:59 PM ET
 
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Comments

Pretty obvious you hate ARE Jasno.

Posted by: Gweez | October 28, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

T_E,
The scheduel is varient on the W/L, you know that. I think you are listing the L, weekly plan, I get em mixed up too.

Weekly Scheudle Sat/Sun not included

Mon
W: various shout outs + assesment of Vinny's show + discussion of injuries.
L: Talk other RI's off ledge+ assesment of Vinny's show + discussion of injuries+trying to shut up Sports Guru.

Tue
W: still talk of injuries+ ripping on Jason's analyses for being so negative after a win+ general Jibber Jaber.
L: Freak out about injuries+ ripping on Jason's analyses for being so negative after a loss+ still trying to shut up Sports Guru+breakdown of why the draft was no good.

Wed
W: Jibber Jaber + Practice breakdown+ Kelly hurting something+ Jibber Jaber.
L: Things get quiet+Practice breakdown+everyone flames everyone+ breakdown of why the draft was no good.

Thurs
W: Jibber Jaber FFA
L: Suicide watch FFA

Fri
W: Drunken Posts by people who took the day off+ mocking of next opponent+ Jibjab
L: Blog is empty except for Guru who is still argueing with himself about how he hates JC.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 28, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Santana the anti-T.O.

Posted by: jonthefisherman | October 28, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Clearly Moss shouldn't be worried about overworking himself. Zorn, however, should be.

Posted by: spizzle | October 28, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

cindy the side bar is out of order.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 28, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

maybe moss's spectacular showing will instill some heart into ARE's returns next game?

Posted by: bestmick1 | October 28, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Today, we'd like to read more of your interesting insights on this year's draft class, most of whom (like most draft classes around the league) haven't played sufficient downs to even recognize their numbers. And, of course, the fact that they haven't played, well that's a sure sign, isn't it?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 28, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Round 1

Jake Long - OT Starter
Chris Long - DE Starter
Matt Ryan - QB Starter
Darren McFadden - RB RBC
Glenn Dorsey - DT Starter
Vernon Gholston - DE Starter
Sedrick Ellis - DT Starter
Derrick Harvey - DE Backup
Keith Rivers Starter/out for the year Hines
Jerod Mayo Starter
Leodis McKelvin Backup
Ryan Clady - OT Starter
Jonathan Stewart - RB RBC
Chris Williams - OT Starter/IR back in pre
Branden Albert - OG Starter
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie Nickleback
Gosder Cherilus - OT Backup
Joe Flacco - QB Starter
Jeff Otah - OT Starter
Aqib Talib Starter
Sam Baker - OT Starter
Felix Jones - RB RBC
Rashard Mendenhall - RB backup/ir
Chris Johnson - RB RBC
Mike Jenkins Starter
Duane Brown - OT Starter
Antoine Cason Nickle
Lawrence Jackson - DE rotation end
Kentwan Balmer - DT rotation at end & T
Dustin Keller - TE rotation te
Kenny Phillips Starter

Round 2

Merling rotates with holiday
Avery Starter
Thomas #4 on the depth chart
Flowers Starter (pick six this week)
Nelson #4 (16 catches 177 1td)
Lofton Starter
Carlsen starter
Rachel backup
Porter starter
Hardy #3 (7 for 66 and a td..thomas w/o the penalty)
Royal starter
Johnson starter
Forte starter
Dizon starter
Simpson #3 1 catch 2 yards
Laws rotation DT
Davis (1 for 6, 1 carry -3)
Jackson starter
Campbell rotation at end and T
Kelly #5 I guess(1 for 6)
Groves rotation end
Sweed DNP first 5 weeks #3 now with Holmes last two games 4 for 39 last two games
Jones rotation at end and T
Rice RBC
Brohm backup to Rogers
Henne backup to Pennington
Jackson pr/kr starter #4
Pollack backup guard
Bennett backup to Witten (8 for 145 td)
Wheatley nickle
Thomas rotation corner


talent_evaluator, you'd be hard pressed to find 3 less productive picks than the skin's. Doesn't mean they won't ever be, but certainly right now, pretty disappointing compared to their peers most all of whom have had plenty of snaps and contribution.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Just adding to the very low comment number on this post. Seventh!

Posted by: charley42 | October 28, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

thanks, alex!

Posted by: CindyBoren | October 28, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Overuse ain't even a word.


By Cindy Boren | October 28, 2008; 12:59 PM ET


Actually, Santana, "overuse" is a word..."Ain't" probably is the word in question.

Posted by: cej75024 | October 28, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

cindy the side bar is out of order.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 28, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse
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This entire blog is out of order!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 28, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Portis' contract was redone this past offseason, with financial incentives to be present at the Redskins' offseason workout program. Once there, two veterans, receiver James Thrash and linebacker London Fletcher, implored the ever-social Portis to trade some of his partying for harder work at the team complex. "I just respect those guys so much," says Portis. "It was more taking life seriously. Training with those guys, they're the type of guys who I actually look up to."

Pretty insane that the possible league MVP "looks up to" James Thrash a utility guy. Portis isn't one to throw out false praise. A testament to Portis and Thrash and another reason i love having Thrash on the team.

Posted by: Gweez | October 28, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

During a pregame interview, Fox Sports sideline reporter Danyelle Sargent asked 49ers coach Mike Singletary the following question: "I heard that your mentor Bill Walsh was one of the first phone calls that you made when you found out that you had the job. What does it mean to you to be the head coach of the 49ers?" Singletary was understandably tongue-tied, since Walsh died in July 2007. Sargent interrupted his answer and said into her earpiece, "I'm sorry. Oh. I'm sorry. What, what did I, what was wrong?" Fox producers were understandably mortified and didn't air that portion of the interview. (Interestingly, the "pregame" interview aired after the opening kickoff Sunday, and although it was taped, it could have left viewers with the impression that Singletary was talking to a reporter instead of coaching.) But the clip was part of the "open feed" that live telecasts use and that news organizations can access for clips and highlights. Mike Francesa, host of New York station WNBC's "Mike'd Up," showed the gaffe late Sunday night. Dan Bell, Fox's vice president of communications, apologized for the error but said it should have been left on the cutting-room floor. "We've filed a complaint with the league of them using this. It's unauthorized footage," Bell said. "It's footage that was recorded but that never made our air." Bell added that "if we saw that on a CBS game, we're not going to take that and have one of our stations run with it."

Posted by: Skins1 | October 28, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

good call cej!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 28, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Ain't is a word I think they changed it and put it in the dictionary.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 28, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

anyone know where the gints got their D line? what round of draft picks they were?

Posted by: dealer1 | October 28, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Tuck 3rd
Osi 2rd
Wynn FA cut by us
Robbins 2nd vikings
McDouble 1st
Kiwi 1st
Cofield 4th
Alford 4th

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

A testament to Portis and Thrash and another reason i love having Thrash on the team.

Posted by: Gweez

Thrash to me would make a great, strength and conditioning coach/WR coach someday soon. I hope that Danny can get him in that type of spot.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 28, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: alex35332 | October 28, 2008 1:37 PM

Nice assesment Alex!

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 28, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I think Cyn City sabotaged the blog so that our posts posts in two entries at a time - (My "seventh" post was posted in the last entry and it also posted here.) - so that the RI numbers go up. ARE we up to 260K yet?

Posted by: charley42 | October 28, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

so what is everyone going as for Holloween? My GF wanted to do a costume duo thing where she would be Willy Wonka and I would be either a Ompa Loompa or candy bar, but I said know to that. So I am going as a hippie. Though I sudenly realized it would be a lot of fun to go as the Monarch from Ventur Brothers.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 28, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

For the love of Charley Taylor, would you all give it a rest about our 2nd round draft picks?? We got an IMPACT starter in Chris Horton, depth at OG in Chad Reihnart (and a very likely starter in 2-3 yrs), and several players with excellent upside like Jackson, Tryon, Moore. Drafts are a numbers game - you make some good picks, some bad. That's why keeping your picks is so key. But because it takes at least 2-3 yrs to fully grade a draft, I don't know why we're even beating this dead horse.

How about we discuss Pittsburgh? Any thoughts on what we need to do to keep JC upright? I think Samuels has to play. I also want to discuss Springs being the most overpaid corner in the league. He plays half the season. I love him when healthy but he's hardly ever healthy so hence it's hard to have a lot of love for him.

Anyhow, HAIL

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 28, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

CL,
For your kids sake I hope he is not born on holloween, I know a few kids born that day and you are forced to have every birthday be holloween theamed and no one comes due to trick or treating.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 28, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2, thank you so much! who the heck is mcdouble? is he any good?

alex, he's (thrash) associated with a gym in the area (in montgomery county i think)

Posted by: dealer1 | October 28, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Alex I have no clue on costume but ideas are welcome. I'm thinking a pimp or a teletubby

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 28, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Im not to worried about Moss i feel like he is having one of those years where he will be able to push himself through these injuries, I just hope they dont compound to get worse, I think the bye week could fix him up.
A lot more concerned about Samuals, a team like Pittsburgh would love to see Heyer in there. There is a major drop off from Samuals to Heyer, but the you also have no room for further injuries or errors because you have Janse and Heyer anchoring the sides, that is not a good combo for some of the D's that we still have to facec, Pitt, Bmore. On top of tat the whole situation seems bad, floating cartlidege could be a minor problem that a scope or similar non major surgery could fix but you never know, they will most likely have to do explority surgery just to figure out what the problem is. Im hoping this dosent become a larger issue and he has to miss time cause it could end up being a lot of time.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 28, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 28, 2008 2:23 PM "

do NOT mention Tryon as a draft pick with "excellent upside". That guy is butt! Period! I am Anti-Tryon 100%, he's just AWFUL!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Charley Taylor was, of course, a #1 overall pick. After 1 year at RB, they moved him out to WR. What do you expect from a #1 overall? Well, a great player, HOF kinda guy.

Charley Taylor, HOF, class of 1984

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 28, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Peter King:

• PORTIS IS NOT HIGH-MAINTENANCE. From Craig Kaminsky, of Ouray, Colo.: "Love the column but how can you call Clinton Portis a high-maintenance guy? Unlike guys like Plaxico Burress, Clinton plays every damn play hard, has a sense of humor and, unlike most RBs in this league, will sell out his body to pick up a blitz or make a block or run down a guy in preseason. The man also restructured his deal this offseason to help the team (thanks to The Danny and his free-spending, screw-the-cap ways). Of course, CP is rich and his renegotiation doesn't make him a hero, but it shows he does put the team first, like just about all his other actions.''

You're right. That's a bad characterization. He's a guts-out player and a great (not good, but great, blocker), and he's quirky, sometimes resulting in a coach having to spend some time with him trying to calm him down. I shouldn't have used that phrase. Good catch.

Posted by: Skins1 | October 28, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

ok, last statement then I'm done, yes it does indeed take 2-3 years to completely grade a draft, doesn't/shouldn't take 2-3 years to get a contribution. That list I just put up there proves that, almost every single player in rounds 1 and 2 have had a major contribution to their team already, there are only a handful of guys out of 63 (NE forfeited a pick)that aren't either starting or playing quality minutes, there are very few teams that had has many picks as the skins in these rounds, and not a single one of the skins picks has done much of anything.....that is bad, certainly can change and not giving the draft a grade yet, but I am saying we should have gotten much much more out of these picks so far than we have. And we are going to need more from Thomas at the very least in the near future. Moss can't shoulder the entire playmaking responsibility for the wide receiver position for the entire year (he's proven he breaks down eventually) and ARE is a nice player but he has proven he isn't a gamebreaker. We drafted Thomas to be that type of player, we need him to step it up.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

do NOT mention Tryon as a draft pick with "excellent upside". That guy is butt! Period! I am Anti-Tryon 100%, he's just AWFUL!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I rest my case. There's just no getting thru to some people.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 28, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Charley Taylor nice guy to boot. See him every now and again out in Gainsville, that guy smiles as much as anyone, besides fellow HOF D Green maybe.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 28, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

"talent_evaluator, you'd be hard pressed to find 3 less productive picks than the skin's. Doesn't mean they won't ever be, but certainly right now, pretty disappointing compared to their peers most all of whom have had plenty of snaps and contribution.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 2:01 PM"


Crap like that is kinda misleading. The CB for Dallas had like 3 tackles total leading up to the mass of injuries in their secondary, and now he's starting and has 16 total tackles this year.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I think vs pitt we got to play to our strengths like we once did against big opponents, put JC in shotgun, run a few draws and direct snaps from that formation to keep them a little off balance, but keep him back there to give him time to pass & see the blitz from the 3-4 guys, dedicate whole drives to bing shotgun drives to keep them from going 8-9 in the box.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 28, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Notorious, I'm with you on the draft being an 'odds' thing. So far, this draft looks subpar since only 1 guy is contributing. But you judge a draft 2-3 years later.

One of the interesting things about Skins drafts (and I give Vinny most of the credit, though I think Gibbs was the guy who picked Campbell), they have found several guys who can play late in the draft.

The problem is that they've given away too many picks near the top ... for disasters like Duckett and Lloyd.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 28, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

zjfr, does it matter if you get your impact player in ROund 1 or 7?? Horton is playing better than almost every 1st rounder. Oh, and he's a fraction of the cost too.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 28, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

+++...I give Cerrato major marks for choosing Zorn. That was a brilliant pick. But in my opinion, his draft was bad when the selections were made (just the simple choice of positions vs. need) and are looking worse in current review of the team (considering the impact the rookies have had so far).

Posted by:++++-- spizzle

Excellent post.

I remember draft day when Vinny said his "chart" forced him to draft the way he did.

Charts and notes and stats and numbers are great tools, but only if they are matched with great instincts. And I don't see that here.

First of all picking three guys in the second round to fill one receiver need was ridiculous. Second, picking the wrong three guys was unforgivable.

Sure, us bozos didnt' know this would be a go deep in the playoffs-type year, but that's what danny is paid to know. And if he had an instinct and knowledge for that, he'd have picked Avery, Royal or Jackson--each of whom would be a powerul weapon THIS YEAR..

All hail the selection of Zorn, but it took two months for them to realize the jewel they had. And he was a last option choice after they got turned down by people or realized others just wouldn't be the coach they wanted.

I could NOT be happier with this surprisingly wonderful season. But the Koolaid drinkers here fail to realize that the FO people paid to provide the bullets for the Redskins guns, and expected to make this an even BETER season failed to do so.

Of the 10 draftees, of the 12 or so UFAs brought in, of the FA signees brought in, of the trades not made, exactly ONE player is making a significant contribution this year, Chris Horton.

That's a horrible record.

MAYBE they drafted for the future. Zorn and his staff sure make the players they have better. But to build a dynasty, they need a GM who knows horseflesh. And as far as I can tell, VC does not.

Posted by: TheCork | October 28, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

This is old news, but it's so startling I can't help commenting on it: Dallas is considering starting Brooks Freekin' Bollinger next week against NY. Eeks. I am now praying as hard as I can for the following:

1. Bollinger has that once-in-a-lifetime game, like a lightning strike in the desert, where he looks glorious, and the Girls thump the G-men.

2. Tony Romo is sort of iffy coming out of the bye week, and given Bollinger's great success in the prior game, they decide to start him against the Skins.

Oh, pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease....

I know. It's too much to hope for. But it would be sooo great if it happened.

Posted by: ajd3311 | October 28, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

agreed zce. Hopefully the days of handing out mid-late round picks like Smarties on Halloween are merely a troubling memory.

Yes, Gibbs did handpick Campbell, for which I am very grateful. Coke-bottle Joe got a bad rep his second go around but he did right a listless ship.

HAIL

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 28, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know the last time the skins beat the steelers in regular season? I can't think of it, I know the last two times we lost to them.

Posted by: isonic1 | October 28, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

zjfr, does it matter if you get your impact player in ROund 1 or 7?? Horton is playing better than almost every 1st rounder. Oh, and he's a fraction of the cost too.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 28, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

No it doesn't, and your right its great that he is cheaper and performing so well, but give me the GM that picks 3 second rounders well over the guy who occasionally hits on a late rounder. Gotta give Vinny credit though, for every Jordan Palmer or Tyler Ecker they seem to find a late round/undrafted steal as well. That is valuable and I agree that that is great and the undrafted thing is gonna be huge this year since we only have like 3 picks this year.

Anyway, done with that, was just answering your question.

We beat the Steelers by letting JC throw 45 times this week. We don't beat them by trying to line up and smash mouth it with Portis.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

+++For the love of Charley Taylor, would you all give it a rest about our 2nd round draft picks?? We got an IMPACT starter in Chris Horton, depth at OG in Chad Reihnart (and a very likely starter in 2-3 yrs), and several players with excellent upside like Jackson, Tryon, Moore. Drafts are a numbers game - you make some good picks, some bad. That's why keeping your picks is so key. But because it takes at least 2-3 yrs to fully grade a draft, I don't know why we're even beating this dead horse.+++--Notorious_LMG


Are you calling the playoffs a “dead horse?” Because it sure sounds like it. Discussing the non-performance of the three 2nd round receivers Cerrato took is germaine to the discussion of the Redskins post-season chances.

The fact is, that despite Moss’s statements about overwork, he is overworked. The reason is the #3 receiver on the Redskins team is James Thrash, who is a great teammate, a great ST guy, a great leader, and a hard working aging receiver.

Had the Redskins used JUST ONE of those three picks for Avery, Jackson or Royal, he would be #3. HE could replace MOSS on some downs, or when his hammie was tweaked, and he most certainly would help lessen the chance of a double team on him. Jackson would be the Redskins return guy with his 13 yard average and TD. Oh, and Philly wouldn’t have him.

But you DO have a sense of humor when you use the words “excellent upside” and Tryon in the same sentence. Gave me a morning chuckle.


Posted by: TheCork | October 28, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

I see a lot of people harping on Tryon, who yes, is SKJ, but he is a rookie and I would give him next year before I put his butt in the AFl.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 28, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

haha tryon upside hahaha, almost everything is the upside to him cause he's like four feet tall.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I disagree with running the shotgun alot against the steelers 3-4. I think that we need to run the ball, with play action, and most importantly with a heavy blitzing 3-4 teams alot of screes. I hope we keep up the cooley screens they worked well, i would throw some double screens to the RB's and maybe even some backside screens to yoder and davis. but keeping them off balance from running sidline to sideline and wearing them down with the run will pay dividends going into the 3rd and 4th quarter

Posted by: GreatOne1 | October 28, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

cork=power rankings

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 28, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully the days of handing out mid-late round picks like Smarties on Halloween are merely a troubling memory.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 28, 2008 2:51 PM


I'm still more troubled by the memory of getting Smarties on Halloween.

"Oh, I see. You took chalk, and added sugar. Thanks."

Smarties = re-purposed chalk nubs.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 28, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

cut him some slack, Tyron is Tryin'

Posted by: chrislarry | October 28, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

A lot of people here seem to be hoping for a Dallas win this weekend. Why? I want Dallas to lose this weekend, then hopefully when we beat them following the bye, they'll be 5-5 and probably out of the playoff race. I'd rather go head-to-head against the Giants for the division (who still have to travel to all 3 opposing divisional stadiums) than give Dallas legit hope at keeping this a 4-team division battle royale. I want the division to deliver the knockout punch to the Cowboys right now, similar to what happened to the Eagles last year.

Posted by: spizzle | October 28, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

whoah! I never thought I'd see PK eat crow. Kudos!

Now, who was givin' me a hard time yestidday? TE? PK has leftovers... gubbit.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 28, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Looks like there will be two Santonios on the field on Monday:

SANTONIO IS BACK; TOMLIN NOT CONCERNED ABOUT NFLPA
Posted by Michael David Smith on October 28, 2008, 2:51 p.m. EDT

Pittsburgh Steelers coach Mike Tomlin says wide receiver Santonio Holmes, who was benched on Sunday after getting charged with marijuana possession, is back in his good graces.

Tomlin confirmed today that Holmes will return to the starting lineup when the Steelers play the Redskins on Monday night.

“Satisfactory action has been taken from our standpoint,” Tomlin said today’s news conference. “We’re moving forward.”

Holmes has issued an apology, but he might not be ready to move forward. ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reported Sunday that the NFL Players Association has a problem with the Steelers deciding on their own to discipline Holmes for something that is supposed to be dealt with through the NFL’s substance-abuse policy.

But according to the Steelers’ web site, Tomlin said he doesn’t particularly care if the union has a problem with Holmes being deactivated.

“I am not concerned about their view on whether or not I choose to activate him,” said Tomlin. “We have 53 men on our team. We choose to activate 45 for a particular game. That’s what we chose to do.”

That’s exactly the type of public comment that leads many people in league circles to believe that the NFL, the owners and the coaches are taking advantage of the union now that it doesn’t have a leader in place after Gene Upshaw died. And that might cause the union to look for a new leader who will play hardball.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 28, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

haha tryon upside hahaha, almost everything is the upside to him cause he's like four feet tall.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 3:05 PM |

Justin Tryon's 5'9", same height as Darryl Green, who was also four feet tall but played bigger. So, there's no chance Justin Tryon will ever amount to anything in this league.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 28, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Glad I can make you laugh Cork. That's what I'm here for.

That's a stretch to say our draft class this yr and its lack of immediate, overall development is directly "germaine" (nice diction, BTW) to the playoff talk in 2008-09. This class was clearly not taken for this year, not for "immediate and substantive impact". Neither was going to supplant ARE this year, even if they were healthy from Day One. Not that 89 is a stud by any means but he's a our possession vet. Davis? No chance to start over Cooley. Reinhart? Same vis-a-vis Thomas/Kendall. They will produce down the road....if you think that we can blame our rookie 2nd rounders if Moss "wears down"...well, you're a daisy if you do.

Funny you guys are writing Tryon off before he even gets a chance.

HAIL

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 28, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I will never ever root for a Cowboys win period, and in this case, I'd much rather have a margin for error in the wild card race than have us the Giants and Cowgirls, and the Eagles only a game back, that is a recipe for disaster. Giants win and Seattle finds a way and we're in good shape for a Monday night showdown.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

definitely agree I want Dallas smacked in the face this weekend and whether right or wrong I want them to feel that they might be out of the playoff race already.

Stupid to cheer for Dallas to get back in it, IMO.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Couple of quick points:

First, would all of the "2nd rounders are busts" people feel better about Devin Thomas if his stat line for the season read 133 yards from scrimmage and a TD? Surely that would be decent production on a team boasting 3 players with 32+ receptions (two of which are over 40 receptions) and the leagues leading rusher, right?

Second, who kept saying we should have re-signed Reche Caldwell? That dude had ONE catch for 7 yards in last years playoff game...hardly that productive. In fact, he only had 141 receiving yards over 8 games last year. Tell me, how is that such an improvement over Devin Thomas to the point that we need Caldwell on the roster?

Posted by: -swb | October 28, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if it's been mention but...


#1 FANTASY FOOTBALL RB = Clinton Portis WAS

#1 FANTASY FOOTBALL WR = Santana Moss WAS

#8 FANTASY FOOTBALL QB = Jason Campbell WAS


...and yes they are all on my team this year!

Seriously though, when was the last time the Redskins had both the #1 Fantasy RB and #1 Fantasy WR?

Posted by: filmchis | October 28, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

oops, meant 82, NOT 89...clearly Tana is a stud

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 28, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

++++This is old news, but it's so startling I can't help commenting on it: Dallas is considering starting Brooks Freekin' Bollinger next week against NY. Eeks. I am now praying as hard as I can for the following:

1. Bollinger has that once-in-a-lifetime game, like a lightning strike in the desert, where he looks glorious, and the Girls thump the G-men.


Posted by: ajd3311++++


You are apparently unfamiliar with the Code of the True Redskin fan. Redskin fans ALWAYS root against Dallas, even if the 'pokes are playing thee bin Laden All-Stars.

The ONLY exception is late season games where a dallas win could get the 'skins into the Playoffs. That is the ONLY exception. Much too early for that.

So... you root AGAINST the hated, stinking, miserable, gawdforsaken Dallas Cowboys or we call a Tribunal to drum you out of the Redskins Rooting Corps. And, we shoot your dog.

Posted by: TheCork | October 28, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

According to the Record and Fact Book, it looks like the last time the skins beat the stillers in the reg season was in 1991...41-14 in pittsburgh....they've lost to 'em three times in the interim, all in p-burgh.

Posted by: CindyBoren | October 28, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Justin Tryon's 5'9", same height as Darryl Green, who was also four feet tall but played bigger. So, there's no chance Justin Tryon will ever amount to anything in this league.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 28, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

hold on, did you just compare justin tryon to Darrell Green? Wow, that makes sense, I guy who looked terrible in preseason, can't get active, was outplayed by many undrafted guys, only made the roster because he was a draft pick, said he could return any kick to the 50 yet can't get a sniff at punt returns despite a struggling unit, and you compare him to a HOF immediate impact starter....come on man

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

There is NO WAY I could ever root for the Cowgirls. Let's hope it's a hard fought game that deflates both teams! But I don't see the Giants losing to Dallas.

The only 2 Cowgirls I ever respected were Tom Landry and Rodger Staubach. The rest suck, especially TO - the worst.

Posted by: captjim | October 28, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I disagree with running the shotgun alot against the steelers 3-4. I think that we need to run the ball, with play action, and most importantly with a heavy blitzing 3-4 teams alot of screes. I hope we keep up the cooley screens they worked well, i would throw some double screens to the RB's and maybe even some backside screens to yoder and davis. but keeping them off balance from running sidline to sideline and wearing them down with the run will pay dividends going into the 3rd and 4th quarter
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I disagree entirly with this assesment. I have no problem runing the ball but you are talking about a team with 6 tween guys on the field, fast strong dudes between the size of an LB and DE, I think run to controle the clock and wear them down, but I will be shocked if CP can extend his streak, they are a good D. I think Play Action is not well suited because to sell it JC has to turn his head away from the D to fake the handoff before turning back arround to see what the blitz is throwing at him, against this front 7 thats a risk, he needs to be watching what they are doing as best he can. Play Action is more effective against teams that can't blitz the pass. And I don't see Cooley haveing a big game, their 3-4 is well suited to trying to stop him, that said Boss did okay last game, 30 yds or so and a TD. Finally runing sideline to sideline would be great when we are up, but I don't see much yards coming out of it with their fast D.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 28, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

There is NO WAY I could ever root for the Cowgirls. Let's hope it's a hard fought game that deflates both teams! But I don't see the Giants losing to Dallas.

The only 2 Cowgirls I ever respected were Tom Landry and Rodger Staubach. The rest suck, especially TO - the worst.

Posted by: captjim | October 28, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

hold on, did you just compare justin tryon to Darrell Green? Wow, that makes sense, I guy who looked terrible in preseason, can't get active, was outplayed by many undrafted guys, only made the roster because he was a draft pick, said he could return any kick to the 50 yet can't get a sniff at punt returns despite a struggling unit, and you compare him to a HOF immediate impact starter....come on man

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 3:25 PM |

Yeah, that's exactly the comparison I made. I said "They're both the same height." Do you think that comparison is wrong? Do you think when Green got in the Hall of Fame that he grew six inches?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 28, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

That '91 game that Cindy just mentioned was gonna be my guess.

If memory serves, Gary Clark made a gorgeous diving catch on the sideline in that one.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 28, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

GO DAWGS

beat the Gators!


WOOF WOOF WOOF

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

do NOT mention Tryon as a draft pick with "excellent upside". That guy is butt! Period! I am Anti-Tryon 100%, he's just AWFUL!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

TheTruth11 you must be a hell of a GM, you see Tryon in a couple preseason games and you know he can't play!!

Posted by: wstclair | October 28, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

You are apparently unfamiliar with the Code of the True Redskin fan. Redskin fans ALWAYS root against Dallas, even if the 'pokes are playing thee bin Laden All-Stars.

The ONLY exception is late season games where a dallas win could get the 'skins into the Playoffs. That is the ONLY exception. Much too early for that.

So... you root AGAINST the hated, stinking, miserable, gawdforsaken Dallas Cowboys or we call a Tribunal to drum you out of the Redskins Rooting Corps. And, we shoot your dog.

Posted by: TheCork

Right you are. I plead temporary insanity, brought on by visions of Brooks Bollinger tossing up limp-wristed flutter balls that settle softly into the arms of waiting defenders...

I amend my hoped-for outcome to a Dallas loss in spite of a great game by Bollinger.

Posted by: ajd3311 | October 28, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"TheTruth11 you must be a hell of a GM, you see Tryon in a couple preseason games and you know he can't play!!

Posted by: wstclair | October 28, 2008 3:32 PM"

1) I'm half-joking.

2) Tryon = awful

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

alex35332

excellent post, this game we throw to set up the run, not the other way. As you said you do not turn your back on this defense, they stop the run as good as anybody in the league. Their secondary is banged up big time though, I don't see a single matchup where the edge doesn't go to Cooley, Moss, or ARE. Would like to see Portis with 10-15 carries, Alexander/Rock with 5-10, and JC with 40 to 50 passes. lots of quick hits, and crossing patterns to ARE and Moss, Cooley in the seems and two or three double move deep shots to moss. Skins 21 Pitt 17 bye week at 7-2 life is good get healthy and teach Thomas how to play football!

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

How is a WR over worked by playing on offense every down?

Isn't that what just about any #1 WR does? Play every offensive down, save maybe the "Jumbo Package" stuff?

If he's over worked, it's by playing as punt returner, which is 1-2 times a game.

So he's over worked by 1-2 plays. Heh.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 28, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2,

Do me a favor. Please name anyone from the 2008 draft that the Redskins "could have drafted" that would ACTUALLY be starting for them RIGHT NOW?

Please, I'm curious.

Posted by: filmchis | October 28, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Tryon played last week. He didn't record any tackles, however I bet coach Blatche played him "downwind from the south end of a skunk" in pre-season to make an example of the difference between playing CB in the NFL vs. college...

I don't think Tryon is as bad as he appeared in the pre-season game. He needs to make his mark as on special teams to be active as the 4th CB. Look for improvement next year...

Posted by: siris | October 28, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Your random hilarious stat of the day:

Marion Barber has posted a 4.0 yards per carry average so far this season for Dallas.

Julius Jones has posted a 4.5 yards per carry average so far this season for Seattle.

Can someone remind me again as to why Marion Barber is so great?

Posted by: -swb | October 28, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

someone remind me where Kareem Moore is...is he 2nd string now or is he hurt?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Do you think when Green got in the Hall of Fame that he grew six inches?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 28, 2008 3:30 PM

Okay, he grew six inches, maybe more. He just didn't get any taller.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 28, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

do NOT mention Tryon as a draft pick with "excellent upside". That guy is butt! Period! I am Anti-Tryon 100%, he's just AWFUL!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

TheTruth11 you must be a hell of a GM, you see Tryon in a couple preseason games and you know he can't play!!

Posted by: wstclair | October 28, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

While it is a bit early to slam the door on the guy, let me say this: The dude looked like he didn't even belong in the XFL far less the NFL. In those preseason games, he got picked on like The Truth at a High School Party.

Posted by: Gweez | October 28, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

-swb, Barber has a special skill. He causes misdirection with his hair. He zigs while his hair is still zagging.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 28, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Ain't is a word I think they changed it and put it in the dictionary.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 28, 2008 2:07 PM

It is an Appalachian contraction of the Scottish origin for "aigh not". Scots were early pioneers in Appalachia.

I think Kareem Moore is healthy and rotates in on the Cobra package.

Posted by: dcsween | October 28, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2,

Do me a favor. Please name anyone from the 2008 draft that the Redskins "could have drafted" that would ACTUALLY be starting for them RIGHT NOW?

Please, I'm curious.

Posted by: filmchis | October 28, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Quentin Groves DE
Calias Campbell DE
Tyrell Johnson S
Trevor Laws DE/DT
Jason Jones DE

All taken after Thomas that would be playing a major role for us. You asked, I don't care about who we coulda had anymore, I'm just trying to point out who we have is dramatically under performing for where they were taken. Btw wanna go 3rd round?

Chris Ellis DE
Dejuan Morgan S

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm not so much worried about Moss "wearing down" as I am just him having an injury. That would suck. But, it might be the kind of thing to get Thomas more involved. In each case where a drafted WR had a hot start to the season, their team NEEDED them to. It's good that they handled it as well as they have, but they wouldn't have been in that position if each team had players already established at WR.

The question would need to be for the Skins draft picks, are they capable of stepping in if they are needed?

So far, the answer has been YES.

Horton did.
Jackson did when he was called upon.
Moore has played well at times, but had rookie mistakes.

Davis and Thomas are working their way into the mix, but they are not NEEDED yet.

I do think the Kelly issue has been disappointing to Zorn, Kelly looked very good in camp before the hammy, I actually thought Kelly had a shot at taking the spot from ARE, he looked so good in camp.

Thomas was a work in progress no matter what anybody says. His limited experience in college was a known reality, and Zorn even commented on it. So they haven't gotten much here that they didn't expect. Brooks, obviously, a bust.

Disappointing results? Sure, but there is plenty of time for all who are left to make it better, and since this team already had ALL of it's starters in place, they weren't needed to do more.

Posted by: craig2 | October 28, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

alex35332

excellent post, this game we throw to set up the run, not the other way. As you said you do not turn your back on this defense, they stop the run as good as anybody in the league. Their secondary is banged up big time though, I don't see a single matchup where the edge doesn't go to Cooley, Moss, or ARE. Would like to see Portis with 10-15 carries, Alexander/Rock with 5-10, and JC with 40 to 50 passes. lots of quick hits, and crossing patterns to ARE and Moss, Cooley in the seems and two or three double move deep shots to moss. Skins 21 Pitt 17 bye week at 7-2 life is good get healthy and teach Thomas how to play football!

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

-----------

Big Flaw in your guys plan!

Steelers are #1 in Pass Defense and #2 in Sacks not to mention #3 Run Defense.

If JC drops back 40 to 50 times he's going to get sacked...A LOT!

It's about balance, grasshopper.

Don't worry though....Zorn will get it done.

Posted by: filmchis | October 28, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

In response to "thecork": You are an idiot just like LaCanfora. You harp on the fact how Avery had more yards in one week than all our rookies. Who else is Bulger going to throw to? Holt is getting washed up. Again the Skins have the 5th best receiver in the league and 3 guys with at least 30 balls caught. ARE would start on the Broncos, Rams, or possibly the Iggles, given therre rash of injuries. Are you as dumb as you sound? If any onf those teams draft D. Thomas, he will easily have those #'s. Fact is, the skins have 3 pass catchers playing at a very high level, with the # 5 rated QB in the league. But according to you, we would be better off with Donnie Avery, or Desean Jackson. You're losing it.

I guess according to your logic, Steve Smith and Plax were bad draft picks because they didn't help their teams out their rookie seasons? (check the stats, genious)

Good work Cork, you and LaCanfora are absolutely brilliant.

Posted by: cj658 | October 28, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I should be clear about the Scottish/Appalachian origin of the term "ain't" ... I just made that up.

Posted by: dcsween | October 28, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I wish to address the council regarding the upcoming NFC BEAST showdown occurring in tha big apple.

While I concede a genuine, bone-deep, hatred of the dispicable South-America's team is a given in the Redskin fan, I would like to advocate that a similar intolerance for the Big Blew should be maintained.

I believe there is adequate historical precidence to justify a similar hatred of Gotham's grossest. I believe it is a cultivated lack of disdain for this rival which has led to less than stellar performances by our team against them. Here I would cite our playoff team under Norv Turner (a COWBOY for a COACH!!?? WTF!) and even our currently lauded squad.

If true spite against an annual foe were to have been invoked, I believe a different outcome to have been possible.

I beg the tribe and it's heralded leaders to take this gestalt into review and perhaps adjust our thinking, in that while one foe is putrid another may be just as vile. It's what's best for the team.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 28, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Wow...we've reached a new low. The "people whom we should have drafted, and had we drafted them they'd be playing be playing a major role for us"....

Wow....speechless I am....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 28, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

steelers have beaten:
1. cincy
2. balmer
3. cleveland
4. houston
5. jaguars

and lost to giants and iggles at home!

why are they favored? unbelievable. these steelers are not good. they're coached by a dude who looks lost half the time on the sidelines. they have no running game, no pass protection. and they haven't had a chance to meet the league mvp mr. portis and his lil friend mr. sellers.

Posted by: dealer1 | October 28, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

"While it is a bit early to slam the door on the guy, let me say this: The dude looked like he didn't even belong in the XFL far less the NFL. In those preseason games, he got picked on like The Truth at a High School Party.

Posted by: Gweez | October 28, 2008 3:47 PM"

yeah you must feel real cool still going to high-school parties, how old are you? Myself, I'm a little too mature and cool to go to high-school parties. But you have fun buying beer for underage kids in an attempt to be cool, and watch for the jailbait!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Big Flaw in your guys plan!

Steelers are #1 in Pass Defense and #2 in Sacks not to mention #3 Run Defense.

If JC drops back 40 to 50 times he's going to get sacked...A LOT!

It's about balance, grasshopper.

Don't worry though....Zorn will get it done.

Posted by: filmchis | October 28, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

That was before they lost two corners and a safety. Did you see how the Giants beat them? it wasn't running the ball, and btw, manning wasn't sacked once in that game.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I should be clear about the Scottish/Appalachian origin of the term "ain't" ... I just made that up.

Posted by: dcsween | October 28, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

In response to "thecork": You are an idiot just like LaCanfora. You harp on the fact how Avery had more yards in one week than all our rookies. Who else is Bulger going to throw to? Holt is getting washed up. Again the Skins have the 5th best receiver in the league and 3 guys with at least 30 balls caught. ARE would start on the Broncos, Rams, or possibly the Iggles, given therre rash of injuries. Are you as dumb as you sound? If any onf those teams draft D. Thomas, he will easily have those #'s. Fact is, the skins have 3 pass catchers playing at a very high level, with the # 5 rated QB in the league. But according to you, we would be better off with Donnie Avery, or Desean Jackson. You're losing it.

I guess according to your logic, Steve Smith and Plax were bad draft picks because they didn't help their teams out their rookie seasons? (check the stats, genious)

Good work Cork, you and LaCanfora are absolutely brilliant.

Posted by: cj658 | October 28, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

All taken after Thomas that would be playing a major role for us.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 3:52 PM |

He didn't ask "who would play a major role." He asked who would be starting. None of those guys would be starting. Yeah, they'd get playing time, and maybe more playing time than Thomas, but they're not starters yet.

And you throw in two safeties? We got a starting safety in the seventh round. Why would we waste a second round pick on one like these other teams?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 28, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

steelers have beaten:
1. cincy
2. balmer
3. cleveland
4. houston
5. jaguars

and lost to giants and iggles at home!

why are they favored? unbelievable. these steelers are not good. they're coached by a dude who looks lost half the time on the sidelines. they have no running game, no pass protection. and they haven't had a chance to meet the league mvp mr. portis and his lil friend mr. sellers.

Posted by: dealer1 | October 28, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Haven't seen Steelers this year. So I'm looking at games against quality teams for clues on what our offense might do.

vs the Ravens offense. Flacco goes 16/31 for 192 and 1 td. McClain & McGahee rush 29 times for 105. They score 20 points

vs Jax
Garrard goes 18/32 for 200 and 1 td, but their run game is shut down. Jax gets 2 long td drives

vs jints
Eli goes 19/32 for 199 1 td and they run 31 times for 84 yards (yuck). The jints get 3 long drives, 2 end inside the 10.

Two things jump out at me. Look at the 3 QBs, their game numers are almost identical!! Each threw 31 or 32 passed and they all threw for between 192 and 200 yards, each with 1 td and no picks.

Second, the run averages are poor. The Ravens were the best of the bunch, but still well under 4 a carry. The jints were under 3 and Jax was under 2.

The iggles had a similar result. McNabb was 24/35 for 196 with 1 td and 1 pick. Buckhalter and Westbrook combined for 15 carries and 55 yard.

In those 4 games with 130 attempts, there is only 1 pick.

The WRs with good games, Hank Baskett, Mike Walker, Derrick Mason. Steve Smith had the best game of the jints WRs (45 yards). Lots of throws to the RBs, 6-8 receptions a game for the backs.

So what does this all mean to me. It says that the Steelers first shut down the run. Second, they take away you're #1 WR. To the extent they are vulnerable, it looks like its the second and third options.

Which means Cooley, unless they keep him in to block, Portis as a receiver (which I'd like to see), ARE and perhaps even Sellers. The WR screens against a 3-4 defense aren't as likely to work, but I still want the ball in Santana's hands

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 28, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm of the belief that the Redskins can run on the Steelers, or anyone else for that matter the way their O-line is run blocking.

I would NOT re-arrange my offense because this is the Steelers.

We have the #1 back in the league, and an O-line with a mean streak.

Let the Steelers adjust to us, not the other way around.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 28, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Big Flaw in your guys plan!

Steelers are #1 in Pass Defense and #2 in Sacks not to mention #3 Run Defense.

If JC drops back 40 to 50 times he's going to get sacked...A LOT!

It's about balance, grasshopper.

Don't worry though....Zorn will get it done.

Posted by: filmchis | October 28, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

That was before they lost two corners and a safety. Did you see how the Giants beat them? it wasn't running the ball, and btw, manning wasn't sacked once in that game.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

steelers have beaten:
1. cincy
2. balmer
3. cleveland
4. houston
5. jaguars

and lost to giants and iggles at home!

why are they favored? unbelievable. these steelers are not good. they're coached by a dude who looks lost half the time on the sidelines. they have no running game, no pass protection. and they haven't had a chance to meet the league mvp mr. portis and his lil friend mr. sellers.

Posted by: dealer1 | October 28, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

filmchis,
You are correct, it does need balance. I was just stating that the idea of Screens, wide runs and play action against a front 7 with this kind of speed/power combo does not sound effective. Because it would result in, picks/passes for -yds, runs tackeled in the back field and sacks.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 28, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

In response to "thecork": You are an idiot just like LaCanfora. You harp on the fact how Avery had more yards in one week than all our rookies. Who else is Bulger going to throw to? Holt is getting washed up. Again the Skins have the 5th best receiver in the league and 3 guys with at least 30 balls caught. ARE would start on the Broncos, Rams, or possibly the Iggles, given therre rash of injuries. Are you as dumb as you sound? If any onf those teams draft D. Thomas, he will easily have those #'s. Fact is, the skins have 3 pass catchers playing at a very high level, with the # 5 rated QB in the league. But according to you, we would be better off with Donnie Avery, or Desean Jackson. You're losing it.

I guess according to your logic, Steve Smith and Plax were bad draft picks because they didn't help their teams out their rookie seasons? (check the stats, genious)

Good work Cork, you and LaCanfora are absolutely brilliant.

Posted by: cj658 | October 28, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

+++Wow....speechless I am....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | +++

Well then, this day hasn't been a total waste, then...

Posted by: TheCork | October 28, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

All taken after Thomas that would be playing a major role for us.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 3:52 PM |

He didn't ask "who would play a major role." He asked who would be starting. None of those guys would be starting. Yeah, they'd get playing time, and maybe more playing time than Thomas, but they're not starters yet.

And you throw in two safeties? We got a starting safety in the seventh round. Why would we waste a second round pick on one like these other teams?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 28, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm of the belief that the Redskins can run on the Steelers, or anyone else for that matter the way their O-line is run blocking.

I would NOT re-arrange my offense because this is the Steelers.

We have the #1 back in the league, and an O-line with a mean streak.

Let the Steelers adjust to us, not the other way around.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 28, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Haven't seen Steelers this year. So I'm looking at games against quality teams for clues on what our offense might do.

vs the Ravens offense. Flacco goes 16/31 for 192 and 1 td. McClain & McGahee rush 29 times for 105. They score 20 points

vs Jax
Garrard goes 18/32 for 200 and 1 td, but their run game is shut down. Jax gets 2 long td drives

vs jints
Eli goes 19/32 for 199 1 td and they run 31 times for 84 yards (yuck). The jints get 3 long drives, 2 end inside the 10.

Two things jump out at me. Look at the 3 QBs, their game numers are almost identical!! Each threw 31 or 32 passed and they all threw for between 192 and 200 yards, each with 1 td and no picks.

Second, the run averages are poor. The Ravens were the best of the bunch, but still well under 4 a carry. The jints were under 3 and Jax was under 2.

The iggles had a similar result. McNabb was 24/35 for 196 with 1 td and 1 pick. Buckhalter and Westbrook combined for 15 carries and 55 yard.

In those 4 games with 130 attempts, there is only 1 pick.

The WRs with good games, Hank Baskett, Mike Walker, Derrick Mason. Steve Smith had the best game of the jints WRs (45 yards). Lots of throws to the RBs, 6-8 receptions a game for the backs.

So what does this all mean to me. It says that the Steelers first shut down the run. Second, they take away you're #1 WR. To the extent they are vulnerable, it looks like its the second and third options.

Which means Cooley, unless they keep him in to block, Portis as a receiver (which I'd like to see), ARE and perhaps even Sellers. The WR screens against a 3-4 defense aren't as likely to work, but I still want the ball in Santana's hands

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 28, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who care about such things, the latest "Draft Talk while 6-2/Jasno sux/Front Office are doofuses(doofi?)/Beating the Dead Horse Deader/You're an Idiot, No You're the Idiot/Bring back Billy McMullen/Should've drafted so-and-so instead of such-and-such because he'll be great and our guys won't just trust me I know better than you know" rankings are out.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 28, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

filmchis,
You are correct, it does need balance. I was just stating that the idea of Screens, wide runs and play action against a front 7 with this kind of speed/power combo does not sound effective. Because it would result in, picks/passes for -yds, runs tackeled in the back field and sacks.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 28, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Gentleman: Thanks for the Charley Taylor reference one of the all time great NFL receivers of any era,one of his greatest plays was against the Cowboys Nov.of 1965 Jurgensen hits Taylor with a pass over the middle at about the Skins own 25yd line he slips an attempted horse collar by Chuck Howley and litteraly runs over Cornell Green on his way to 85 yd td!!! one of the greatest plays i've ever seen by a Redskin wideout EVER!!!.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 28, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

from the ESPN power rankings...

"The NFC East gives this team fits. But the Steelers are 5-0 against everyone else. (JW)"

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | October 28, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Gentleman: Thanks for the Charley Taylor reference one of the all time great NFL receivers of any era,one of his greatest plays was against the Cowboys Nov.of 1965 Jurgensen hits Taylor with a pass over the middle at about the Skins own 25yd line he slips an attempted horse collar by Chuck Howley and litteraly runs over Cornell Green on his way to 85 yd td!!! one of the greatest plays i've ever seen by a Redskin wideout EVER!!!.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 28, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

intentional multiple posts...why we talking about the draft? vinny needs to be fired period! he gets one more crack at the draft in my book for hiring zorn. that's it! he's done.

btw...last year we were bashing gibbs for his GM acumen...this year we're praising him. funny how time can change things...

Posted by: dealer1 | October 28, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Quentin Groves DE
Calias Campbell DE
Tyrell Johnson S
Trevor Laws DE/DT
Jason Jones DE
Chris Ellis DE
Dejuan Morgan S

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So you list five DE's that wouldn't start over Andre Carter or Jason Taylor or Demetric Evans and two safeties that wouldn't start over 6th round pick Horton?

Even with the privilege of hindsight you can't defend your argument.

Posted by: filmchis | October 28, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Gentleman: Thanks for the Charley Taylor reference one of the all time great NFL receivers of any era,one of his greatest plays was against the Cowboys Nov.of 1966 Jurgensen hits Taylor with a pass over the middle at about the Skins own 25yd line he slips an attempted horse collar by Chuck Howley and litteraly runs over Cornell Green on his way to 85 yd td!!! one of the greatest plays i've ever seen by a Redskin wideout EVER!!!.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 28, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

i've been reading a lot of comments on tyron today...and i get a lot of comments being directed to his height, or lack of...well i just wanted to make a comment myself...i think it might be a good thing that we picked up a small corner, provided that he has great speed, which i am not sure he has because i dont have his combine numbers....the reason i feel this way is because i dont know if anyone red the article on espn about a weak ago talking about small recievers and how their kinda becoming big weapons for various offenses around the league...and this is true...all three rookie recievers that are doing well up until this point have been the smallish recievers...and these recievers are extremely fluid in their movements...i mean eddie royal was so quick that he was turning deangelo hall round and round...as well as springs does, even he self-admittedly cannot cover small quick receivers...so if tyron has the speed and quickness to stay with those small receivers, i think the pick will pay off eventually...so in conclusion, dont disregard him for his height...

Posted by: jasonma1 | October 28, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Gentleman: Thanks for the Charley Taylor reference one of the all time great NFL receivers of any era,one of his greatest plays was against the Cowboys Nov.of 1966 Jurgensen hits Taylor with a pass over the middle at about the Skins own 25yd line he slips an attempted horse collar by Chuck Howley and litteraly runs over Cornell Green on his way to 85 yd td!!! one of the greatest plays i've ever seen by a Redskin wideout EVER!!!.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 28, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

and watch for the jailbait!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Well yeah, that's why I go to High School Parties in the first place.

Posted by: Gweez | October 28, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Gentleman: Thanks for the Charley Taylor reference one of the all time great NFL receivers of any era,one of his greatest plays was against the Cowboys Nov.of 1966 Jurgensen hits Taylor with a pass over the middle at about the Skins own 25yd line he slips an attempted horse collar by Chuck Howley and litteraly runs over Cornell Green on his way to 85 yd td!!! one of the greatest plays i've ever seen by a Redskin wideout EVER!!!.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 28, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dealer1 | October 28, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse


+++How about we discuss Pittsburgh? Any thoughts on what we need to do to keep JC upright? I think Samuels has to play. +++ Posted by: Notorious_LMG

Agree. Chris Samuels is critical. I also think it is MORE than critical that the center Rabach and double teamers control Pitts massive NG Hampton. If he disrupts the backfield, the offense is in trouble.

I think the skins have to establish the run game early, with some misdirections and quick pitches. Tire Hampton out. Keep Sellers in front of Portis to handle those big, flowing LBs. I can’t understand why the skins haven’t added a no huddle offense as a change of pace.

Throw on first down, when Pittsburgh isn’t ready to blitz. Get Moss deep, run Cooley and ARE undeneith, run the screens. Mostly be unexpected and dictate to them (easier said than done).

When they fear the run game, play action.--CORK

+++I also want to discuss Springs being the most overpaid corner in the league. He plays half the season. I love him when healthy but he's hardly ever healthy so hence it's hard to have a lot of love for him.+++ Posted by: Notorious_LMG

Love 90% of him. Hate his calf. Skins need Rogers to once again shut down a key opponent receiver—this time Ward.
Relentless Pass rush, too. Roethlessberger holds onto the ball too long and can be gotten to. And two three turnovers would be nice.

Posted by: TheCork | October 28, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Gentleman: Thanks for the Charley Taylor reference one of the all time great NFL receivers of any era,one of his greatest plays was against the Cowboys Nov.of 1966 Jurgensen hits Taylor with a pass over the middle at about the Skins own 25yd line he slips an attempted horse collar by Chuck Howley and litteraly runs over Cornell Green on his way to 85 yd td!!! one of the greatest plays i've ever seen by a Redskin wideout EVER!!!.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 28, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

dealer, I hadn't considered Pittburgh's competition on their way to becoming the #1 defense in the league (and the #1 passing defense). Of their starting corners and safeties, only Polomalu has picks (3). None by the corners or Ryan Clark. Maybe they don't play to get picks (copying the Skins I guess). Seems like they have a tough line though.

Posted by: dcsween | October 28, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Gentleman: Thanks for the Charley Taylor reference one of the all time great NFL receivers of any era,one of his greatest plays was against the Cowboys Nov.of 1966 Jurgensen hits Taylor with a pass over the middle at about the Skins own 25yd line he slips an attempted horse collar by Chuck Howley and litteraly runs over Cornell Green on his way to 85 yd td!!! one of the greatest plays i've ever seen by a Redskin wideout EVER!!!.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 28, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

from the url above:

Washington still owns the overall margin 31-43-4. The Steelers won the last game played in Ben's rookie season (2004) by a 16-7 score. The Redskins also have the honor of being the last NFL team to play the Steelers in Three Rivers Stadium. This happened in 2000 when Pittsburgh won 24-3.

The Steelers have won the last three games in the series, all at home. Washington's last victory was in 1991, Chuck Noll's final season, 41-14.

Posted by: dealer1 | October 28, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

So let me get this straight... you LIKE Charley Taylor?... 'cause I was confused .. about...

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 28, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

"i mean eddie royal was so quick that he was turning deangelo hall round and round...as well as springs does, even he self-admittedly cannot cover small quick receivers...so if tyron has the speed and quickness to stay with those small receivers, i think the pick will pay off eventually...so in conclusion, dont disregard him for his height...

Posted by: jasonma1 | October 28, 2008 4:18 PM"


that's all fine and dandy but you're forgetting the part about DeAngelo Hall being the most overrated corner in the league who isn't really that good at all.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

steelers aren't giving up much...but the skins have faced these paper tigers all year this year.

skins offense is something to behold. no one in the league has put up better number than tana, cooley and portis combined.

skins will control the clock and punish their lb's. skins have to protect their players in this game. very worried about late hits and cheap shots.

Posted by: dealer1 | October 28, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

If Samuels goes will he be 100%? Is it worth the risk of blowing out his knee for a 1 game maybe( with a non-conference rival)?

Posted by: captjim | October 28, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

filmchis,
You are correct, it does need balance. I was just stating that the idea of Screens, wide runs and play action against a front 7 with this kind of speed/power combo does not sound effective. Because it would result in, picks/passes for -yds, runs tackeled in the back field and sacks.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 28, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

my biggest concern is Sacks and JC fumbles. Samuels is dinged up and Jansen just play better when Zorn tells him he is not starting.

If our defense is shutting down their offense then I think Zorn calls a very conservative game but will still get his shots down field.

Posted by: filmchis | October 28, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

If Samuels goes will he be 100%? Is it worth the risk of blowing out his knee for a 1 game maybe( with a non-conference rival)?

Posted by: captjim | October 28, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

If Samuels goes will he be 100%? Is it worth the risk of blowing out his knee for a 1 game maybe( with a non-conference rival)?

Posted by: captjim | October 28, 2008 4:27 PM

Does anyone know -- do the Redskins have any doctors or nurses to advise them about stuff like this or does Mr. Snyder make these calls?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 28, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

"Washington still owns the overall margin 31-43-4. The Steelers won the last game played in Ben's rookie season (2004) by a 16-7 score. The Redskins also have the honor of being the last NFL team to play the Steelers in Three Rivers Stadium. This happened in 2000 when Pittsburgh won 24-3.

The Steelers have won the last three games in the series, all at home. Washington's last victory was in 1991, Chuck Noll's final season, 41-14.


Posted by: dealer1 | October 28, 2008 4:21 PM "

how can you own the overall margin with 31 wins and 43 losses? Am I missing something?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

From the Times:

Chris Samuels is at Redskin Park and he just said in the parking lot the MRI on his knee showed good results and only some cartilage irritation.

On sitting out early in the week: "I'll talk to the trainers because I'm starting to feel a lot better so I want to practice this week."

On playing Monday night: "I'm thinking definitely."

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 28, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

if there is even a question on game day about how moss' hamstring feels, rest him. It will be a cold night game against a AFC team that has a history to prove they take cheap shots and try to hurt people. I'd rather have santanna for the 7 games after the bye week then for 1 game against an AFC team. If he's healthy of course, play him, but if there is even a question, sit him. Plus we'd get the benefit of "needing" Thomas and therefore he true greatness would show through, cause up until now we haven't needed him therefore we've decided to keep him on the bench behind James Thrash as extra greatness we're keeping in reserve in case we need it.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Charlie Taylor is my all time favorite Redskin.

Regarding the draft: If you went into this year thinking it was going to be anything but a rebuilding/transition year (hence draft for the future), you are seriously delusional.

Remind me what it was that had you think: deep into the playoffs in 08?

Was it the new coach?
The WCO offense?
Soup's steady improvement (or was it his injury)?
Was it our stud DL?
All our young DBs?
The resignation of Joe Gibbs?

Please do tell.

Better yet go into the archives and point us to your comment to that effect prior to the draft. Or did that notion just go unstated?

The high draft picks come in here with no conception of what it's like to play in the NFL. I for one, don't pretend to understand what it takes either...

But it will take time.

In Vinny's defense (did I really just type that?), the shotgun approach to drafting a pass catcher is defensible, because there was no Calvin Johnson on the board. It makes sense to try and pick the best available player in a transitional year.

Was it the perfect draft? No, but I credit the FO and Zorn for learning as they go.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | October 28, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

tt, that was copied from the steelers blog...so skins own the second number...

Posted by: dealer1 | October 28, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

if there is even a question on game day about how moss' hamstring feels, rest him.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 4:38 PM |

Does anyone know -- do the Redskins have any doctors or nurses to advise them about stuff like this or does Mr. Snyder make these calls?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 28, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

"Plus we'd get the benefit of "needing" Thomas and therefore he true greatness would show through, cause up until now we haven't needed him therefore we've decided to keep him on the bench behind James Thrash as extra greatness we're keeping in reserve in case we need it"

And if in the case that Thomas started in place of Moss, and he played well, you would categorically HATE IT....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 28, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

You are apparently unfamiliar with the Code of the True Redskin fan. Redskin fans ALWAYS root against Dallas, even if the 'pokes are playing thee bin Laden All-Stars.

The ONLY exception is late season games where a dallas win could get the 'skins into the Playoffs. That is the ONLY exception. Much too early for that.

So... you root AGAINST the hated, stinking, miserable, gawdforsaken Dallas Cowboys or we call a Tribunal to drum you out of the Redskins Rooting Corps. And, we shoot your dog.

Posted by: TheCork

But is it too early?? Right now, the skins can not control our own destiny.. thanks to the lost to the Rams. We NEED the gints to lose to an NFC team on top of them losing to us. A division loss would be a nice icing on the cake. Of course we might be able to let the gints be Dallas in NY for now and then have to root for Dallas to when in Dallas at the end of the year... but let's not think in this division that each and every week from here on out is going to be important to get to the play-offs.

Posted by: fbchick | October 28, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

And if in the case that Thomas started in place of Moss, and he played well, you would categorically HATE IT....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 28, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Nope, I would categorically love it! I want him to be starting right now opposite Moss returning ARE to the slot. A big wr opposite moss to run some of the over the middle and possession routes and save some hits on Tanna would be wonderful. Plus, ARE would be wes welker deadly in the slot with a nickle guy on him. That is why I am as upset as I am about our draft, that was what he was supposed to be when we drafted him, or at least what we'd hoped he would be, but right now he can't run a pattern without a penalty and tries to tackle his own guys on special teams, but he did catch Cribbs in the Cle game, at least he's accepted the role of tackling.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

looky here...sd fired the wrong guy again!

SAN DIEGO -- Defensive coordinator Ted Cottrell has been fired by the San Diego Chargers and replaced with inside linebackers coach Ron Rivera.

Posted by: dealer1 | October 28, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm not going to shed a tear if Dallas beats the Giants ... actually, that would work out better for the Skins because (1) the Giants would get their second loss and (2) Dallas will have a false high going into THEIR bye week. I read somewhere (here?) that Dallas is looking at starting their third QB rather than Brad Johnson. Anyone else heard/read that?

Posted by: dcsween | October 28, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

The next person who suggests rooting for Dallas should be flogged. WE HATE DALLAS!

Posted by: captjim | October 28, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

The next person who suggests rooting for Dallas should be flogged. WE HATE DALLAS!

Posted by: captjim | October 28, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe you.....I really don't.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 28, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

sween, it was on espn regarding the brad johnson benching...

i don't really care about that game...because no matter what i'll like the results.

te, i thought the skins medical staff consisted of an MD. i might be wrong.

Posted by: dealer1 | October 28, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

It's not rooting for Dallas. It's rooting for the Giants to lose.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 28, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

The next person who suggests rooting for Dallas should be flogged. WE HATE DALLAS!

Posted by: captjim | October 28, 2008 4:58 PM |

What you're describing is blind rage. We're in favor of whichever team can help the Redskins the most. If Dallas can help us this weekend, then go 'Boys.

And, yeah to sween, I heard they're starting Brooks Bollinger. Brad Johnson's lost it completely, and Danny could see it a good six years before the rest of the league.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 28, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

that's all fine and dandy but you're forgetting the part about DeAngelo Hall being the most overrated corner in the league who isn't really that good at all.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you, but the point i was making is hall is a starting corner...he is a good corner not great...but hes a veteran compared to royal, yet royal killed him...that was just the game i watched...i also the game where he killed the chargers...i mean hes been doing it agaist many corners...so i was just saying if tyron can defend those small quick recievers, like our very own santana, then i think he might be a good pick up

Posted by: jasonma1 | October 28, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

i always get the fridge and singleterry confused...but here's something on the fridge: http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/hunting/news/story?page=h_ath_perry_william

DAH BEARS!

Posted by: dealer1 | October 28, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe you.....I really don't.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 28, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

weird you'd rather blindly believe that Thomas was good pick when he's buried on the depth chart behind the greatness that is James Thrash then believe me when I say I'd be happy if he were playing and playing well. Why do you think I'm upset in the first place? its because he isn't doing anything to help the team. I'm totally stoked we are where we are, I think we have a legit shot to get to Tampa, and for that to happen, Thomas or Kelly or somebody has to step up and become a legitimate threat. Our offense is rolling right now, but Moss has had a heavy load and tweaked his hammy, portis is a little dinged, cooley is the man, and ARE while playing well isn't striking fear in the hearts of any defenses. Zorn himself said "we're tired and banged up" and the way I count it we've played nine games. If we go to Tampa we will have to assuming we don't have a first round bye (which we might if we win the division) we will have to play 11 games in a row. We need to find another threat to take some of the touches off of these guys and ensure they'll be there come crunch time. The way I see it, whether we IR Kelly or not, Thomas is our best shot of finding that difference maker, cause any guy we sign off the street to replace kelly will be just that, just a guy. Thomas needs to step it up and soon, would love this week but after the bye at the latest.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Today = Power Rankings

When it comes to choosing to always rooting against the cowboys and sometimes hoping for them to win one specific game to better the chances of the redskins, I'm going with the redskins.

My friend is like that ('Idon't care if we go 2-14. As long as WE BEAT DALLAS!'). And I'm always like, I care more about the Redskins winning it all then what Dallas is doing to be honest. They are secondary. I don't live NFL to watch Dallas lose every week. I live NFL to watch the 'Skins win every week.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 28, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

The next person who suggests rooting for Dallas should be flogged. ...

Posted by: captjim | October 28, 2008 4:58 PM

I'm not suggesting anyone root for Dallas, but I do flog myself with regularity (but maybe not the way you're thinking about).

Posted by: dcsween | October 28, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

COACH CHIN SHOWING SOME LEG TO JERRY?
Posted by Mike Florio on October 28, 2008, 11:51 a.m.
As names like Jim Haslett begin to percolate to the top of the list of names of potential head coaching candidates for the coming hiring cycle, former Steelers coach Bill Cowher could be making an effort to ensure that his name remains in circulation for any potential vacancies.

Why else would Cowher have told David Elfin of the Washington Times that Cowher was contacted by the Redskins after former coach Joe Gibbs retired in January? (At the press conference announcing Gibbs’ retirement, Redskins owner Daniel Snyder denied speaking Cowher. But it’s possible that the communications came thereafter.)

“We talked,” Cowher told Elfin. “It was a good talk. I was very flattered, but I expressed that it wasn’t the right time.”

Elfin also reports that Cowher, 51, reiterated he has no plans to return to coaching. Of course, a truck full of money might make it the “right time” to reconsider.

And the man to watch in this regard is Cowboys owner Jerry Jones.

If the Cowboys fail to make the playoffs, or if they go one-and-out yet again, look for Jones to have the same kind of epiphany that prompted him to hand the keys to Bill Parcells nearly six years ago.

Jones once thought enough of Cowher to hire his offensive coordinator, Chan Gailey, to be the Cowboys’ head coach. Haslett, another member of the official Cowher coaching Chia Pet, undoubtedly got Jones’ attention nine days ago when the overmatched Rams overpowered the Cowboys.

With Cowher now available, and with Jones getting ready to christen a billion-dollar stadium, Jones’ impulsive nature could prompt him to plunk down whatever it takes to get Cowher to give it another go.

For now, it’s unknown what Jones will eventually do. From Cowher’s perspective, however, it doesn’t hurt to remind Jones and anyone else who might be looking for a new coach remembers that Cowher is still around.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 28, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I've never liked Dallas (especially that J.R. Ewing). Not Falcon Crest either.

Posted by: dcsween | October 28, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

A lot of rookies take their lumps in this league and only a small number make a significant impact in year 1. We have 1 impact rookie in Horton.

That said, I think we'd have hoped for a minor impact from at least a few of the others. We're talking 10 guys. Kareem Moore is the only other guy I think has been a plus for this team, and his role has been minor.

So far, Devin Thomas' most important play was not knocking down Santana on his punt return TD. Kelly, Davis, Reinhart and Tryon (our 2nd-4th round picks) have done zip.

Its way too early to score this draft class, but so far, they are behind the curve.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 28, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about all the post on C.Taylor reference!

Posted by: dargregmag | October 28, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

"...its because he isn't doing anything to help the team."-SJK

Not not trying to nitpick here, but his TD saving tackle on the kickoff against the Browns might have saved the game for the magenta and yellow.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 28, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about all the post on C.Taylor reference!

Posted by: dargregmag | October 28, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

So far, Devin Thomas' most important play was not knocking down Santana on his punt return TD.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 28, 2008 5:27 PM

Thomas had a TD-saving tackle on a punt return and he also had a TD catch that was called back for offensive holding or some other unrelated penalty.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 28, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

But is it too early?? Right now, the skins can not control our own destiny.. thanks to the lost to the Rams. We NEED the gints to lose to an NFC team on top of them losing to us. A division loss would be a nice icing on the cake.

Posted by: fbchick

Way too early for that. If the last three years have taught us anything, it's that division titles aren't the most important part of post-season success. What's important is getting to the playoffs. A Dallas win keeps Dallas AND the Giants in the playoff hunt. A Dallas loss puts Dallas on the fringe of being out of the playoff hunt. Winning the division would be icing on the cake, but getting to the postseason is goal #1.

Posted by: spizzle | October 28, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

in my not so humble opinion (imnsho) it is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too early to be rooting for the girls. way way too early!

skins play the gints, iggles, and the girls at home!!! c'mon skins can take care of their own binness.

Posted by: dealer1 | October 28, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Just for comparison, here are rookie contributors and my sense of what they contributed as a rookie from last couple seasons. Keep in mind that its their rookie season I'm talking about.

2007 (5 picks)
Landry, major impact
Blades, minor impact
Heyer, impact (undrafted)

2006 (6 picks)
Rocky, minor impact
Montgomery, minor impact
Doughty, no impact
Golston, impact

The other picks that failed to make an impact and are gone (Sartz, Palmer, Ecker, Lefotu, Simon)

We're talking 12 guys. Out of those 12, 6 had some noticeable impact.
1 high impact guy
2 impact guys
3 minor impact guys
6 guys with no impact, and only Doughty moved up from that group to have an impact later on

As of now in 2008, I'd say we have
0 high impact guys
1 impact guy (Horton)
2 minor impact guys (Thomas, Moore)
7 guys with no impact


Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 28, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1 | October 28, 2008 5:47 PM

Great post, I would throw Horton into the high impact guy though, but still, doesn't really change the numbers much.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Charley Taylor is always a welcome subject on here. Great hands and an absolute beast to tackle. The picture I have in my head is his catching the ball and shedding guys trying to tackle him.

That and his catch on the winning drive vs Miami in 1973(?). 18 yards between 2 guys and he's tackled on the infield and this cloud of dust just flies all over the place. 3 plays later, Skins score the winning TD with about 15 seconds left. A game for the ages, as HOF SJ9 outduels HOF Bob Griese.

Charley Taylor was not a guy you wanted to tackle one on one.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 28, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Charley Taylor is always a welcome subject on here. Great hands and an absolute beast to tackle. The picture I have in my head is his catching the ball and shedding guys trying to tackle him.

That and his catch on the winning drive vs Miami in 1973(?). 18 yards between 2 guys and he's tackled on the infield and this cloud of dust just flies all over the place. 3 plays later, Skins score the winning TD with about 15 seconds left. A game for the ages, as HOF SJ9 outduels HOF Bob Griese.

Charley Taylor was not a guy you wanted to tackle one on one.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 28, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1 | October 28, 2008 5:47 PM

Great post, I would throw Horton into the high impact guy though, but still, doesn't really change the numbers much.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1 | October 28, 2008 5:47 PM

Great post, I would throw Horton into the high impact guy though, but still, doesn't really change the numbers much.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1 | October 28, 2008 5:47 PM

Great post, I would throw Horton into the high impact guy though, but still, doesn't really change the numbers much.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

what the duece is going on? I only submitted that once.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

whats with all the double/triple posts, what a piece of crap this "LOSEABLE TYPE" is. It doesn't have the right name though, it should be "MULTIPLYING TYPE"!

Posted by: craig2 | October 28, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Charley Taylor is always a welcome subject on here. Great hands and an absolute beast to tackle. The picture I have in my head is his catching the ball and shedding guys trying to tackle him.

That and his catch on the winning drive vs Miami in 1973(?). 18 yards between 2 guys and he's tackled on the infield and this cloud of dust just flies all over the place. 3 plays later, Skins score the winning TD with about 15 seconds left. A game for the ages, as HOF SJ9 outduels HOF Bob Griese.

Charley Taylor was not a guy you wanted to tackle one on one.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 28, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Cowher has got to know that accepting a job offer from Jerrah Jones is about as wise as trading for TO.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 28, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Cowher has got to know that accepting a job offer from Jerrah Jones is about as wise as trading for TO.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 28, 2008 6:32 PM

If you're looking for a job, you want to get as many offers as you can, especially one from a high roller. You can't negotiate much when you've only got one offer. Ask Jim Zorn.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 28, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Enter once, get multiple actions. Hmmm, wonder where else in my life that would come in handy???

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 28, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Interesting write up on CHFF:

"One team that we can't figure out is the Redskins, who stand at a surprising 6-2 and in the middle of the race for the No. 1 seed in the top-heavy NFC. They've reached this point with an offense that produces tons of yards, but leaves a lot of points on the field and off the scoreboard, as evidenced by their No. 30 ranking in Scoreability.

Washington needs to generate 17.66 yards for every point scored, better only than the offensive sludge-suckers from Kansas City and Oakland. It's shocking that the Redskins offense is so inefficient when you consider that quarterback Jason Campbell has gone a remarkable eight games into the 2008 season without throwing a single pick. Turnovers usually lower your Scoreability ranking, and a low rate of turnovers usually raises your ranking.

Yet the Redskins have managed to commit few turnovers and crank out tons of yards, while blowing countless scoring opportunities. Yet here they are, still 6-2 and one of the surprise teams of the season. But this inefficiency will probably come back to haunt them at some critical point late in the year."

Is this a field position thing, traceable to poor special teams play?

Or have we settled for too many field goals?

It's not turnovers.

Is our running game too predictable in the Red Zone?

Hmmmmmm?

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | October 28, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

A few excerpts from: John Corcoran's Post Detroit Redskins column at NFLDraftDog.com

Odds, Ends and Opinions

Is it Zorn Being Zorn, or… Or is nice guy Jim feeling the pressure? He had dustups with Clinton Portis during the game and with a reporter afterwards. (The latter included a lectern-pounding thump.) Probably, it's a little of each. He's great psychologist, but this is all new to him as head man.

Why Kelly's No Hero: ... Always injured rookie WR Malcolm Kelly is almost 6 '4", and had a college rep for catching everything thrown in his vicinity. But he's never available to provide a critical end zone target. Sure he's hurt. But as coach Zorn pointed out, he got hurt because he reported to camp out of shape. The need for a big target in the red Zone has to be the reason why Kelly hasn't been put on IR this year.

The Six Scariest Words in Redskins Land: Heard after the game. They were:…

Continued at NFLDraftDog's Redskin Column

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/NFL%20Team%20Columns/washington_redskins_nfl_team_col.htm

Posted by: TheCork | October 28, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry, personally I think Bill Cowher is going to be coaching the Chargers next season...not Dallas.

Better players, better owner, better GM and better LOCATION!

Posted by: filmchis | October 28, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Stumped -- that issue is a big one, and one that everyone is trying to figure out. One thing I would point out though, the fact that this team has been able to win while having this "problem" is remarkable one.

But there are three options for the Skins regarding it: it stays the same, it costs them with losses (as it did against the Rams), or it explodes and the Skins start blowing out teams here and there.

I, of course, will be rooting for the latter.

Posted by: craig2 | October 28, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

+++TheTruth11 you must be a hell of a GM, you see Tryon in a couple preseason games and you know he can't play!!

Posted by: wstclair+++

Or he could be taking his clue that the coaches of the DB- strapped Redskins not only don't play Tryon, they don't activate him most weeks. These are the same coaches who've been starting rookie DB Horton and playing rookie DB Moore.

Of course the light could turn don a year or three from now, a la Rogers, but so far the only thing J.T. brought to Redskin Park a talented defensive back possesses is arrogance.

Posted by: TheCork | October 28, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Justin Tryon NFL combine blurb

...ran a 10.6 100-meters, a 21.2 200-meters and a 47.25 400-meters (fastest time in the state) in high school...

I noticed someone ealier comparing J.T. to Darrell Green, because they're both 5'9.

I'll add that they're both members of the Homo sapiens, and as such, both walk upright, have enlarged craniums, and breathe air.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 28, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Or he could be taking his clue that the coaches of the DB- strapped Redskins not only don't play Tryon, they don't activate him most weeks.

Posted by: TheCork | October 28, 2008 7:27 PM

Cork,

Ready, fire, aim. Check your facts first, dude. Tryon's played in six of the Redskins eight games. He only missed Dallas and Arizona.

http://www.nfl.com/players/justintryon/gamelogs?id=TYR460013

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 28, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

I noticed someone ealier comparing J.T. to Darrell Green, because they're both 5'9.

I'll add that they're both members of the Homo sapiens, and as such, both walk upright, have enlarged craniums, and breathe air.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 28, 2008 7:56 PM

And with those profound insights you'd probably also follow the logic that if Darryl Green is not too short to be a CB in the NFL, then neither is Justin Tryon? Or does the enlarged cranium not apply to you?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 28, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Not ready to throw Tryon under the bus. WRs at the NFL level are a lot stronger and know how to get position. Some of the plays I saw Tryon getting beat on looked more like a lack of understanding than a lack of talent or desire.

I've seen some pretty good corners look like dog meat in year 1. Martin Mayhew comes to mind.

Teams would throw at him all day. Hard to fault the logic ... a rookie, Mayhew, on one side and future HOF corner Darrell Green on the other. But Mayhew learned how to cover in that ugly season and was a solid CB for many years after that.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 28, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Buck Williams was a great rebounder. He was asked about his 1 assist per game number after winning NBA rookie of the year. He said "I know the other guys are out there, I just don't know where"

Which reminds me of Tryon. He may be out there, I don't just know where ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 28, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

My point, t-e, pertains to speed.

Darrell Green's 5-9ness was far less significant to his future hall of fameness than the fact that he was seriously fast.

While J.T. is also 5'9'', I will use my enlarged cranium to predict that this fact is the only thing his pro football career will ever have in common with Darrell Green's.

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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 28, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Speed was the main reason teams were interested in Tryon, but I don't know how he measures up to Green. A CB could still have a good career in the NFL while not being as fast or as good as Green.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 28, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator, you are wrong in every way. The Redskins only make mistakes and nothing they have ever done is correct. It's not like they are 6-2 you idiot. Grow up.

When did Redskins fans take on the mentality of Eagles fans? Are we going to have to start spelling the teams name everytime they are brought up? R-E-D-S-K-I-N-S REDSKINS!

Posted by: Pleepleus | October 28, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

The only difference between Redskins fans and Eagles fans is the ability to talk about "when we were good."

Posted by: Pleepleus | October 28, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator, you are wrong in every way. The Redskins only make mistakes and nothing they have ever done is correct. It's not like they are 6-2 you idiot. Grow up.

When did Redskins fans take on the mentality of Eagles fans?

Posted by: Pleepleus | October 28, 2008 9:00 PM

We're not 6-2? Damn. That's what I get for trusting the Washington Post. How bad are we, anyway? As bad as Corkczar says? As bad as Jasno says? ["I have some good news and some bad news. We're 6-2. All the rest is bad news."]

I think they took on the Eagles fans' mentality when Snyder bought the team and the Post gave them this blog to meet up and affirm themselves.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 28, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Speed was the main reason teams were interested in Tryon, but I don't know how he measures up to Green. A CB could still have a good career in the NFL while not being as fast or as good as Green.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 28, 2008 8:47 PM
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That was the reason I posted that link.

I saw someone else earlier asking about the combine numbers. The combine link only mentions J.T.'s high school stats wrt speed.

But , Darrell Green was another animal, entirely

(and yet still the same species).
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 28, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

When were the Eagles good?

Posted by: captjim | October 28, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

What a joke baseball is. It's Philly, it's practically November, and everyone's acting surprised. I'd say just give the Phils the win, but I'd kinda like to see the Rays stuck at a Courtyard by Marriot in Delaware until April.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 28, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

When were the Eagles good?

Captjim, I believe that was Pleepleus' point.

P.S. Darell Green youtube.

Darell Green is one of my favorite Redskins of all time. Like Sonny Jurgenson, and Ken Houston, and John Riggins, and on and on. So I'm just sayin'...comparing Justin Tryon to Darrell Green is premature at best.

But please don't mistake me for a H8er. I hope J.T. does great things for the Skins.

I'm just sayin'.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 28, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Then I don't get the joke, for sure. The Redskins are good now, right?

Just to let you know Darrell Green is just as pleasant a man in person as he is on tv. I had the great pleasure of meeting him on a few occasions and he volunteered out of the goodness of his heart and his desire to help others. We both did charity work for several DC area youth charities over the years and he is the real deal. He took a genuuine interest in helping DC's youth. No tv cameras, no newspapers, and no pay. He was just there to help. A great man. AND he never stopped smilin' with that great set of teeth!

Posted by: captjim | October 28, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Hey, SMACK, long time no see... who do ya like in the Giants-Cowboys game?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 28, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm not suggesting anyone root for Dallas, but I do flog myself with regularity (but maybe not the way you're thinking about).

Posted by: dcsween | October 28, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

LOL. Line of the day for me. Thanks dcsween.

Posted by: frediefritz | October 28, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

195th.. can we get a train to 200....

Posted by: theFreshinAU | October 28, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Fresh, just need Duplicative Type to work its magic and we'll get over the hump...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 28, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

I thought it was Repetitive Type... or the great 2008 Draft Pick War Type.

Oh, I get it, Same thing!

Posted by: daggar | October 28, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

WR-TE-WR... barf...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 28, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

199...

Posted by: p1funk | October 29, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

199...

Posted by: p1funk | October 29, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

200!!

Posted by: p1funk | October 29, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

I'll probably have to respost this on the early entry tomorrow; but here goes:

I heard Shawn Springs on Doc Walker's show. They asked him about Devin Thomas's growth/progression in the offense. Springs proceeded to hum, haw and tip-toe his way through the answer: Devin is learning the offenses in increments.

Translation: Our 1st pick of the draft rides the short bus to Redskins Park and needs some kind of special ed tutor to teach him the playbook one syllable at a time.

Posted by: p1funk | October 29, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: chrislarry | October 29, 2008 1:03 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: chrislarry | October 29, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Our 1st pick of the draft needs some kind of special ed tutor to teach him the playbook one syllable at a time.

Posted by: p1funk | October 29, 2008 12:18 AM |

That's not as bad as Cooley. Do you remember that picture on his blog? When he reads the playbook he needs a special pointer to focus on each word he's reading.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 29, 2008 6:24 AM | Report abuse

6-2, 1,000 TCCL's

Comparing Tryon to Green, 1,000 JZPP's

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 29, 2008 6:47 AM | Report abuse

I'll probably have to respost this on the early entry tomorrow; but here goes:

I heard Shawn Springs on Doc Walker's show. They asked him about Devin Thomas's growth/progression in the offense. Springs proceeded to hum, haw and tip-toe his way through the answer: Devin is learning the offenses in increments.

Translation: Our 1st pick of the draft rides the short bus to Redskins Park and needs some kind of special ed tutor to teach him the playbook one syllable at a time.

Posted by: p1funk

You don't know that or what the play book looks like.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 29, 2008 7:27 AM | Report abuse

from the jc article cL posted:

Jason's got no game when it comes to girls—at all. kinda sorta knew that when he picked ms. dc...

Posted by: dealer1 | October 29, 2008 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Is it really Wednesday morning?

Do I really have to go to work?

*whine*
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 29, 2008 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Welcome back, Smack. Up and at 'em; new post. If it's Wednesday, you know you must stay nimble up here.

Posted by: CindyBoren | October 29, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

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