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Moss Joins Elite Company with TD (Updated)

Wide receiver Santana Moss made the play that won the game, a 59-yard touchdown catch from quarterback Jason Campbell in the third quarter. Though Moss caught only two passes, he did something no Redskin has done in 22 years -- catch touchdowns of more than 50 yards in back-to-back weeks. Moss also caught a 57-yard touchdown from Campbell in last week's loss to Detroit.

"You just got to be ready," Moss said. "They showed ... that they was going to cloud me, have a safety over the top. Just when they didn't, we had the perfect play dialed up."

The last Redskin to have 50-yard touchdown catches in back-to-back games was Gary Clark on Dec. 6 and 13, 1987.

Griffin Has Sprained Elbow

Defensive tackle Cornelius Griffin came to the sideline in the fourth quarter with a sprained elbow. His status will be updated Monday. ... Coach Jim Zorn has given the team a day off Monday, the first time he has done so this season.

By Barry Svrluga  |  October 4, 2009; 6:22 PM ET
 
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Gary Clark... That brings back memories from the good old days! Too bad we don't quite have the Posse now.

Posted by: Thundershock | October 4, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Wow, the Rams are truly terrible.

Posted by: PDiddy | October 4, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

"Too bad we don't quite have the Posse now."

...nor the Hogs.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 4, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Still not as impressive as his Monday Night Miracle in Dallas several years ago.

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | October 4, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

It sucks that every one is beating up on the Rams, Lions, and Bucs and we are just barely beating them, or losing to them... *sigh*

Posted by: rachel216 | October 4, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

its so weird, the bronco's actually threw the ball to Royal, and the Giants actually threw the ball to Steve Smith....why can't we utilize all our 'weapons' instead of run portis left, run portis right, throw to moss/cooley(depending on who is more tightly covered), punt........

I hope ONE, just ONE reporter has the balls to ask why JZ why, 20 games into his tenure, why the play calling still sucks.....I also hope that JC gets benched, but thats for another day.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

it is easy to figure actually. JC stinks. He locks in to one or two wr's at most. If covered he panics. He had plenty of time today and he never once looked off a wr, or looked beyond his second option. If we had a QB that could go through a progression, I think you'd see the other wr's catch some balls.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 4, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

People were talking about Big Ben and JC comparisons in the last post. Big Ben has 16 career game winning drives. How many does JC have?

That has nothing to do with defense. So you can't say their defense does EVERYTHING.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 4, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Come on Denver!

Posted by: rachel216 | October 4, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Well Mark Sanchez, welcome to the NFL..

The Saints are 4 real.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 4, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

I must agree, while I think that Zorn is a moron (witness the empty backfield spread formation call inside of 3 minutes when you have a lead and are trying to milk the clock) but I think the problem with this team is the mediocrity of JC. He had 4 turnovers and piss poor play against a team that every other QB has lit up. He has struggled 3 weeks in a row against the worst teams in the NFL. He makes just enough decent plays here and there that makes you think he can do it "given the time in a system and the supporting cast" but it all ignores that he locks on to receivers, he is horribly inaccurate, he has a slow delivery, makes slow decisions, and despite having plenty of time most of this season he simply isn't making plays. Its time for a purge, Zorn, JC, and Vinny all must go, give me either a proven coach with total control or a proven GM and let him pick the coach, take a QB in round 1 and oline the rest of the draft.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 4, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

It's important to watch the game instead of letting the stats tell you the story.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 4, 2009 5:27

Watched every snap Red. Prove me wrong.

Posted by: saltine182 | October 4, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Huh, I noticed that RedDMV has been absent since halftime when he completely bashed JC as the root of all the teams troubles.

Wonder if hell show up to say anything about JC's near perfect QB rating in the second half and leading us back to victory?

JC had his worst game of the season, no doubt. He made bad throws today which he doesn't usually make. Had 4 turnovers, yet still made enough plays with his arm and his legs to win it for us.

Anyone who thinks JC is the problem is just showing their stupidity.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 4, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Today's contest was a game to determine which team is the worst team in the NFL. The Bucs won. The Redskins are the 2nd worst team in the NFL.

Posted by: alance | October 4, 2009 5:52 PM |

Well, at least third, we beat the Rams too. No ned to exagerate how bad we are just to be a doosh.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 4, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

I understand that this is really Kelly's first year really playing but it just seems that he can't get open. Of course JC did underthrow him a couple times.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 4, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks JC is the problem is just showing their stupidity.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 4, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

JC is A PROBLEM, maybe he's not the biggest problem, I happen to think he is, but the list is long and distinguished of our problems:

Snyder
Cerrato
JC
Oline
Zorn
Defense
General attitude of ego with these players based on what they get paid versus what they have actually ever done for this team.

But to pretend that JC isn't a problem or say that anyone who thinks he is is stupid, proves your own stupidity. Anyone who watches him repeatedly struggle against any defense that blitzes, the horribly inaccurate throws he launches five to ten times a game, how he often waits till after the receiver is open and then covered again to throw, how he has a slow delivery and ball security issues in the pocket, and how he is utterly incapable of scoring TDs knows that while JC may not be "the problem" he most certainly is "a problem".

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 4, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

TOUCHDOWN DENVER BRONCOS!!! Brandon Marshall!

Posted by: rachel216 | October 4, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the Cowgirls are going to lose.

Posted by: jiacinto | October 4, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

FIRE CERRATO

Posted by: ThisGuy | October 4, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Fantastic play by Brandon Marshall. Amazing effort.

Posted by: PDiddy | October 4, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Here is the key quotation from the previous Sally Jenkins article:

"After losing to the Lions last week, cornerback DeAngelo Hall said, "You either want it or you don't. A lot of these guys don't want it. They want the other stuff." The paycheck-player, where's-mine environment is set by an owner who never seems to value the right qualities, and who so often seems to equate the size of a contract with character. How long can some players continue to give more while making a lot less?"

Posted by: jiacinto | October 4, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Marshall making a play when the ball isn't perfectly thrown. We don't see any WR make that play expect Moss when he isn't doubled.

Posted by: TWISI | October 4, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

JC is A PROBLEM, maybe he's not the biggest problem, I happen to think he is, but the list is long and distinguished of our problems:

Snyder
Cerrato

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 4, 2009 7:09 PM

Don't know that I would use "distinguished" to describe these 2.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 4, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

M. Kelly and JC need to look at how Brandon Marshall caught and ran after the catch on that play

Posted by: cocodc1 | October 4, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Haha stupid cowboys!

Posted by: rachel216 | October 4, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

A win in the NFL these days is certainly a win. Not pretty, and makes you wonder if we can be any better than a .500 team. Proud of the players, not sure we are "getting milk out of maple trees" but our talent isn't as great as the players may claim. All for the team doing well.

We just need new ownership. Join the revolution follow @letsbuytheskins on twitter and spread the word

Posted by: letsbuytheskins | October 4, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Roy Williams, what a waste of draft picks.

Posted by: TWISI | October 4, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Oops. I spoke too soon. cowboys on Den 13.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 4, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

I did too :(

Posted by: jiacinto | October 4, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Rypien. Near perfect QB rating resulted in how many points??? Wow 16 points against the worst team in the NFL. JC is a stud!!! Forget about the 4 turnovers what a great second half. Campbell is not the only thing wrong with the team but he is certainly part of the problem.

Posted by: srobert1117 | October 4, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

But to pretend that JC isn't a problem or say that anyone who thinks he is is stupid, proves your own stupidity. Anyone who watches him repeatedly struggle against any defense that blitzes, the horribly inaccurate throws he launches five to ten times a game, how he often waits till after the receiver is open and then covered again to throw, how he has a slow delivery and ball security issues in the pocket, and how he is utterly incapable of scoring TDs knows that while JC may not be "the problem" he most certainly is "a problem".

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 4, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

JC is mediocre and there's nothing wrong with that. We invested our resources in other areas instead of at QB. I'm fine with that too. I'd rather see us take an elite offensive tackle and a RB in the draft next year. We need those positions filled more than we need a new QB. You have to keep in mind that a top tier QB is going to kill us financially. We'll have to let some real talent go in order to stay under the cap. We also won't be getting a top tier tackle which we desperately need. JC is cheap and he's good enough to win if we surround him with talent.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 4, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

ohhhh romo always with your 4th quarter unheroics.

Posted by: snydercash4clunkers | October 4, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

And now the Cowgirls have lost.

Posted by: jiacinto | October 4, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

No longer jiacinto! Cowboys lose! YES!!

Posted by: rachel216 | October 4, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Roy Williams, what a waste of draft picks.

Posted by: TWISI | October 4, 2009 7:17 PM

Romo darn near got him killed.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 4, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Cowpies have the same records as the Skins. 2-2.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 4, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

cl, from the previous, ok, I'll grant you that MK might not have been open, but to say he wasn't open ALL GAME, sorry, I'm not buying that, not to mention that where were the passes to ARE this week, how does he go from having a great game versus the Giants, to nothing versus the bucs....again, either JZ truly doesn't understand how to utilize his players, or JC wont/can't go to ARE.

This is 2008 all over again, Portis run, Portis run, throw to Cooley/Moss, punt. Assininity at its highest, insanity in its most pure definition. Remember the game in the pre-season against the Pats, how the redskins stayed with one of the top teams in the NFL for a half, because they didn't just throw to moss / cooley...it BAFFLES me that this continues to happen, either Smith/Meidt needs to grow a pair and take that over.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 4, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

That Dallas lost felt as good as the Redskins ugly win.

Both 2-2.

Perversely, that makes me very happy.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 4, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

It's a good day! Cowboys lose and Redskins win!! That's all that matters. Now I hope we crush the Panthers next week.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 4, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

"We invested our resources in other areas instead of at QB."


not true, we traded picks to move up to get JC....and then spent no energy developing alternatives.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 4, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking Wade Phillips may get fired before Zorny.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 4, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

BG, as I said, I agree with your main points....my only addition is that I don't think DT/MK are very good...certainly not as good as other year 2 WRs like Royay/Jackson/Maningham...

sorry I don't.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 4, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan17 is a wise person.

Posted by: farstriker | October 4, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

F the Cowboys...

Oh and I love that living in Brooklyn, I can sit in my backyard, grill meat and yap on my laptop...

Life is pretty good.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 4, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Jamie Dukes made a very good point about the Skins and their postgame remarks. He said he didn't like what he heard out of the lockerroom. He said winning is important but there has to be a standard. For the Skins, the standard is the Giants and the Eagles. Not being able to score more than 20 against the Bucs and eeking out a win is nothing of which to be proud or satisfied.

Bottomline: Skins are 2-2 after playing three of the NFL's worst.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 4, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

not true, we traded picks to move up to get JC....and then spent no energy developing alternatives.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 4, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

A late first rounder is hardly investing in a QB. Top tier QBs are usually top 5 picks. We bumped up to take a mid second rounder in the late first round.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 4, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Whose bright idea was it to throw at Champ Bailey 16 times today?

Not even Zorn would be that stupid.

Hahaha @ Dallas

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 4, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Forget having The Posse, if the line was has as good as the Hogs, maybe JC would have time to throw, perhaps making this WR corps look better.

Posted by: temunley | October 4, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Yeah spending picks to reach for a guy in the first...thats resources where I come from....

but whateves....we disagree. I would take crappy QB like Big Ben over JC 10/10 times, as you made clear many times, you wouldn't


Thats life...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 4, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

JC had plenty of time to throw today. Watch the games. He isn't the answer. The D is awful too. They escaped with a win against the lowly Bucs and lost to the Lions while allowing a 99 yard TD drive. Slow LB's , can't tackle DB's and a highlight seeking LL who misses as often as he connects.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 4, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

CL did you see this review of the Lions game by Greg Cosell of NFL Films?

Supports your point about Kelly and Thomas and their ability or lack thereof to get open. Review of JC isn't pretty either.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 4, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

People were talking about Big Ben and JC comparisons in the last post. Big Ben has 16 career game winning drives. How many does JC have?

That has nothing to do with defense. So you can't say their defense does EVERYTHING.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 4, 2009 6:54 PM

Thanks to decent defense and a bunch of turnovers, the game was close enough for JC to lead a game winning comeback today.

If not for the defense JCs game winning comeback drive would not have been possible.

JC's last minute TD passes against the Giants and Lions don't count because the defense didn't keep those games close enough. People here made chalked those up as building stats against a prevent defense.

I suspect Big Ben has benefitted from similar situations, where the defense made a comeback drive possible despite his many turnovers.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 4, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan - yes and no with the late first rounder thing. Aaron Rodgers was a late first round pick (22nd I believe) and is extremely good. Why - he was projected to go in the top 5, and therefore GB got a deal with drafting him. Developing under the interception, vacillation legend doesn't hurt either. So it's value of what you get at that level. We reached by getting JC, whereas GB got an awesome deal by getting Rodgers.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | October 4, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

I was just reading the Dallas Morning News blog reactions and some of them are so similar to the things we post here after losses it's funny.

Posted by Cody @ 6:22 PM Sun, Oct 04, 2009
I'm done with three hours of stand up comedy on sundays...this team is a joke
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Posted by utah @ 6:23 PM Sun, Oct 04, 2009
i hate jerry jones with all my heart....u know nothing about football you stupid goon.
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Posted by Steve @ 6:24 PM Sun, Oct 04, 2009
Romo should be benched. Do you not believe that fact now?
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Posted by madnw @ 6:24 PM Sun, Oct 04, 2009
fire WADE now!!!!!
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Posted by samsnead @ 6:25 PM Sun, Oct 04, 2009
We will never, I repeat, NEVER be remotely close to a respectable team as long as romo is our quarterback. He's just not a winner.
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LMAO

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 4, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Yeah spending picks to reach for a guy in the first...thats resources where I come from....

but whateves....we disagree. I would take crappy QB like Big Ben over JC 10/10 times, as you made clear many times, you wouldn't


Thats life...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 4, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Would you take Big Ben on our team or would you rather have the entire Steelers team with JC?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 4, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Why does being down always mean the defense isn't doing their job? Maybe that means the offense needs to score more to keep up.

JC's last minute TD against the Lions didn't count because the OFFENSE didn't do their job in the game. The defense gave up 19 points, we should've scored at least 3 against the Lions horrible D.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 4, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Would you take Big Ben on our team or would you rather have the entire Steelers team with JC?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 4, 2009 7:39 PM

Nicely put!

... and MrRedskin21 post @ 7:38 PM, that looks so much like our comments, it's scary!

Posted by: Alan4 | October 4, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Rypien11, when did I say that Jason Campbell was the root of the Redskins issues on offense?

I swear I think some of you just like to speak the boys name in negativity with NO base whatsoever.

And Rypien11 you're a crackbaby if you think that by somehow Campbell throwing a 59 yard TD pass to Moss, or the fact that the 'skins won today -- against Tampa Bay, with a rookie QB, who haven't won a game -- serves as some sort of vindication of the previous three games.

It doesn't.

Hate to piss in the 'skins-aid here, I'm a little upbeat about the win no doubt, but excuse me if I don't cream my pajama pants over a win against the lowly Buccaneers.

Rypien11, I suggest you take reading comprehension or something. I mean gawddamn, I know that I'm the most articulate person, but people that frequent this board should know that I NEVER place the blames or problems of the Redskins solely on one player or coach.

Learn the players before you start popping off at the mouth.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 4, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to decent defense and a bunch of turnovers, the game was close enough for JC to lead a game winning comeback today.

If not for the defense JCs game winning comeback drive would not have been possible.

JC's last minute TD passes against the Giants and Lions don't count because the defense didn't keep those games close enough. People here made chalked those up as building stats against a prevent defense.

I suspect Big Ben has benefitted from similar situations, where the defense made a comeback drive possible despite his many turnovers.


Posted by: Alan4 | October 4, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

If you just look at the Steelers playoff run you can see how much of an impact their defense and special teams has. Holmes took a punt to the house against SD. Timmons recovered a punt and Polamalu took an INT to the house against Baltimore. Harrison not only stopped the Cards from scoring a TD but he took an INT to the house. That was a 14 point swing. Big Ben gets all the credit even though he didn't throw more than 1 TD and barely threw for over 250 yards in those games. His 4th quarter game winning drive is usually his only TD of the game.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 4, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin21- I don't feel so bad now! Haha! Thanks for those!!

Posted by: rachel216 | October 4, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

*I'm not the most...*

Posted by: RedDMV | October 4, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

rachel, I agree our team needs to score more. I wish they'd score 50 points a game, but this team is built around the defense. Contract sizes and recent draft picks bear that fact out.

This team has averaged over 20 points only once season since 2000. That was in 2005, Gibbs' second year here. Is that JC's fault? Zorn's? Al Saunder's? There were 9 other starting QBs since 2000. One of them even went on to win a SB with the Bucs after he left here. This team is built around it's defense.

Maybe we need a GM?

Posted by: Alan4 | October 4, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

saltine182, the only way I could prove you wrong is if we sat down and watched the game again.

Again, stop looking at ONLY the stats to serve as the base of your argument. Stats don't always tell the story, and sometimes them sh**s flat out lie.

You could tell the people on the board that have no true understanding of football. It's not about the QB rating or how many yards were allowed or gained.

Sometimes, and this is SO damn obvious, what truly matters can not show up the damn box scores many of you covet so much.

You have to able to watch the game and try to analyze for yourself.

This is a big reason how I concluded that Zorn and Campbell are suspect -- last year. Now many fans are realizing the same thing.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 4, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

What Zorn said: “It was really frustrating for us all. I started looking at the game plan, wondering: What else could go wrong?” Zorn said. “It was, offensively, like two different halves.”

What I wish Zorn said: “It was really frustrating for us all. I started looking at the game plan, and decided to make some halftime adjustments. That's why you saw two different halves offensively."

Posted by: Alan4 | October 4, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

49ers 35, Rams 0

Bears 48, Lions 24

Why couldn't the Skins put up numbers like that against those sorry teams?

Oh, well, there's time for the offense to improve at least. And the defense is playing very well, imo.

Yes, people can nitpick about poor tackling here and there, but the bottom line is that through 4 games, the D is only allowing 15.5 points per game.

If the O ever starts putting up 21 points or more a game consistently, the Redskins could become dangerous.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 4, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Skins win - Cowboys lose - good day - nuff said.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 4, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Wrong PAskinsfan17..
For JC the Skins traded a 1st rounder (not to mention the one used to pick him), 2nd rounder and 4th rounder (the 4th incidentally was used by Denver to grab Brandon Marshall).
This is why JC continues to play the last 3 years....Snyder is dead bent on getting something in return for an outrageous investment that 31 other GMs wouldnt give better than a 3rd round pick for, last March.
++++++++++++


not true, we traded picks to move up to get JC....and then spent no energy developing alternatives.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 4, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

A late first rounder is hardly investing in a QB. Top tier QBs are usually top 5 picks. We bumped up to take a mid second rounder in the late first round.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 4, 2009 7:28 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 4, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Skins win - Cowboys lose - good day - nuff said.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 4, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

agreed but the cowboys played a good team on the road and we played a sh*t team at home who if they had a legit placekicker we lose......a little simplistic to think that all's good in redskins land.....I'm done pointing it out to the kool-aid drinkers, I'm of to celebrate my anger of a bs crap team that managed to stumble into a win and is 2 and 2 despite playing 3 of the worst professional football teams ever........

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 4, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

For those who still defend Campbell or this team just are being ignorant and stubborn.

They just don't want to admit that they're wrong.

They are just as pathetic as the product on the damn field. No wonder these delusional fans gravitate to them so much.

Posted by: RedDMV

Yeah Red, I really must have misinterpreted what you said there... guess I need to take reading comprehension.

The team sucks AS A WHOLE. I'm not defending the team. We're not good just because we won today.

But singling out JC is the logic of a 13 year old Madden player.

JC had a bad first half today. I'm not debating that. But its also the first really bad stretch of football hes played this year so far.

And yet, he came back and had a great second half with his legs and running the ball.

We have probably the worst O-line in the league. Have you not noticed that JC rarely EVER has a pocket? And he's always running for his life? There are maybe 2 or 3 QBs in the league who would do well on our team, and we know who they are.

JC had a bad half. Big whoop, it happens. The team's problems run far deeper than that, and pointing fingers at him for the teams woes after one bad half is just nonsensical.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 4, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

glad Skins won.. but, in a way.. I would prefer a loss to jettison JC and bring in Garcia, move up Collins.. Anyone with a quick release that can get to a second progression.. His 3 INTs were a direct result of a DB seeing JC locking in on one READ, his first primary receiver.

Now with a win over the worst team in the NFL, we will be stuck with a redux of 2008.. JC will be just good enough to keep his job but keep the Skins in last place...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 4, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

JC had a bad first half today. I'm not debating that.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 4, 2009 8:22 PM |
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How could you?

Like I said earlier, I've been watching since 1978, and I've never seen people defend any Redskins QB who has played this many games with these kind of results.

It's unprecedented.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 4, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line is: (A)Offensive line is not very good, certainly not playoff caliber. Of course we all knew that coming into this season, right? (B)Campbell is nothing more than a back up QB in this league, hate to admit it but the guy still can't figure out how to go through his progressions and find the open receiver, how many times do you see him audible at the line? I think it's a matter of QB smarts, some have it some don't.
Greg Blache's defensive schemes are very vanilla compared to successful Defenses around the league. How do you not blitz the living s--t out of the two rookie QB's we have played the last two weeks??
Ceratto, Snyder- I think everyone is in agreement on them, some of the worst draft day and player personnell decisions imaginable. Zorn, I believe can be a successful leader given a better offensive line to work with and more input on draft day.
I hurts me to predict a 7-9 season at best.

Posted by: delskinsfan | October 4, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

And Red - get over yourself. I frequent this board PLENTY enough to know the "players" and "boys" as you narcissistically refer to yourself. And I know that every time I look at this board, you're arguing/name calling with someone else, and vice versa (two on this post alone).

I'll take that as an indication of you, rather than me, and avoid any further "E-wars" with you.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 4, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

This is why JC continues to play the last 3 years....Snyder is dead bent on getting something in return for an outrageous investment that 31 other GMs wouldnt give better than a 3rd round pick for, last March.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 4, 2009 8:19 PM

Are people still spouting this falsehood? There is nothing to support the notion that "31 GMs wouldn't give better than a 3rd round pick" for JC. He was never shopped around to all 31 teams to see who would give up a draft pick.

The more accurate story for which there is sourcing, says:

"Another NFL source said a high-ranking Redskins official contacted one NFL team Wednesday about the possibility of trading quarterback Jason Campbell for a second-round pick in the upcoming draft. That source said he interpreted the Redskins' overture as an attempt by Washington to put together a package to acquire Cutler."

In other words, no Cutler = no deal. We now know the Broncos head coach wanted Kyle Orton over JC, and that was the dealbreaker. Not the draft picks. So the bottom line decision really came down to one coach's preference, not 31 GMs.

The 31 GMs story is a figment of your imagination.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 4, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

There is no better DC than GW. And Z hasn't looked good lately as HC. But I don't know if you can ergo that into the conclusion that he should have gotten the job.

Posted by: TubularBells | October 4, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse


WHA? Sure you can, he knew the team, the players. He had continuity. He might have failed but it was the smarter way forward than the Zorn Experiment.

Whateves, ancient history now.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 4, 2009 5:54 PM |

GW is great when he has his own unit which he has total control over and which unquestioningly follows his lead. When it comes to managing others that you don't have total control over, like a coordinator, GM or the boss, not so much (way too much vinegar, not enough sugar). Which a HC needs to be able to do well in order to succeed.

Posted by: TubularBells | October 4, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

I have a question.

Can we trade fake Redskins fan that only want the Skins to lose, so they can talk their ISH?

I honestly think some of you that claim to be "Skins fans" have surpassed the Eagles and Giants fans as the worst. For those of us who actually want/enjoy to see the Redskins succeed, lets continue to support our team and carry this win into Carolina next week for another win.

Look the victory was ugly, but the Skins, birds, and cowgirls all have 2 wins. And I feel like they showed good Character in the face of adversity. JC,CC,SM,CP, and the entire D way to step up and come through.

Posted by: gcoles32 | October 4, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Rypien11-Maybe JC wouldn't always be running for his life if he would get the friggin ball out of his hands quicker. The reason why he's always scrambling around is because he doesn't know where to go with the football. A few seconds is all you got. JC thinks he should get 5 minutes every time.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 4, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

A win is a win, simple as that sounds, and playing at FedEX is like playing on the road. Eagles in 2 weeks, that will be the measuring stick.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 4, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

How could you?

Like I said earlier, I've been watching since 1978, and I've never seen people defend any Redskins QB who has played this many games with these kind of results.

It's unprecedented.

Posted by: MrRedskin21


Maybe its because DC is a QB obsessed town, and people have all bought into the Snyder-ology of one player makes a difference. The QB can't do it alone...

Of these two QBs with these stats so far this year, which would you rather have -

QB #1 61.3%, 6.13 YPA, 871 Yards, 3 TD, 2 INT

QB #2 67.6%, 7.78 YPA, 793 yards, 3 TD, 2 INT.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 4, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Rypien11-Maybe JC wouldn't always be running for his life if he would get the friggin ball out of his hands quicker. The reason why he's always scrambling around is because he doesn't know where to go with the football. A few seconds is all you got. JC thinks he should get 5 minutes every time.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 4, 2009 8:37 PM

Come on, he's not Big Ben here. Did you see the 2nd or 3rd play of the game where Brooks pushed Heyer back off his feet like he was a 9 year old? The guy is getting pressured on nearly every play.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 4, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

It is a good day anytime we win and the Cow-girls lose!

Posted by: jtrob_1 | October 4, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Still not as impressive as his Monday Night Miracle in Dallas several years ago.

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | October 4, 2009 6:36 PM

Sept 19th, 2005.I had a stroke that morning so the date stays with me. I laid in the hospital vaguely aware of tv but aware enough to know we were losing to the Cowboys. I actually said they're as hopeless as I am. A few minutes later & Brunell and Santana had pulled it out. I cried for what seemed like forever because I knew in that moment I was gonna be just fine. Which I am and will be as long as I lay off the scrapple & we don't have too many games like the one in Detroit. It may be just a game but that night it seemed like much more.

Nostalgia time is over feel free to hate on our offense some more.

Posted by: will_ga | October 4, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

The problems the team have are a TEAM problem. We airhead fans want to blame somebody for everything because we don't take responsibility for anything. You need 11 doing the right thing at the same time to be effective.

Posted by: jtrob_1 | October 4, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Mark my words: Watch what happens when we give Portis 25+ carries in a game this year.

Posted by: Vicc | September 27, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vicc | October 4, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Record when Portis has:
25+ carries (17-5)

Posted by: Vicc | September 27, 2009 9:59 PM

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Correction: (18-5)
I don’t care how or why, but FACT remains when we give Clinton the ball WE WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Vicc | October 4, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

That's because they give him the ball when they are in the lead and trying to keep the ball. It's easier to win when you are already winning. I guarantee you that if they were losing by 2 scores and they gave the ball to him 25 times they would not win.

Posted by: jwlemons | September 27, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse


Not true. See our game in Philly last year down 14-0. The NYJ game the year before, down 17-3. I can keep going but you get the point.

We don't really get blown out and as long as the game is close, keep giving it to him.

Posted by: Vicc | September 27, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

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Shall I add this game to the many????

Posted by: Vicc | October 4, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Vicc, Portis is going to get killed running 25 times behind our O-line.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse


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I hate it when fans continually question Clinton’s toughness. He has only missed 9 games for us and NO HE WON’T GET KILLED running 25+ times, but the opposing defense will.

Posted by: Vicc | October 4, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

People in DC were obsessed with Redskins QBs long before Snyder bought the team.

It doesn't explain the acceptance of mediocrity some people are displaying for Jason Campbell.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 4, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm completely baffled that Portis has not eclipsed the 20+ carry mark yet.
It doesn't baffle me that we lose when we don't give him the ball. I've posted the stats here many time. When Portis gets his carries we win. We Win.

Posted by: Vicc | September 28, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

You know about this other stat that I dug up?

Check this out. I found this stat that says when the Redskins score more points than the other team, they win 100% of the time.

I mean sheesh, I've been up here telling people that.

I don't understand why the team doesn't just go out and score more points than the opponent.

Posted by: p1funk | September 28, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

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No SH!T, p1funk, when you score more than the other team you win.

But the difference between your complaining azz and mine is that I suggest ways we can achieve that result NOW. You don’t.

Posted by: Vicc | October 4, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

That's great to hear, will_ga @ 8:48. Good to have you with us.

Posted by: asdf5 | October 4, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Alan4... you're either related to JC or you must of invested in alot of Campbell jerseys... He is a 3rd string backup at best. Tampa made him look like a serviceable 2nd string backup with 3 Ints.

Snyder was contacting GMs to put together a package of picks and was offering Jason for a second round pick for the Cutler manuever.... It was turned down...He attempted again with other teams to move up to get Sanchez..And again, "No" to a second round pick.... So that means JC was worth no more than a (drum roll what comes after 2nd round?) 3rd round on two attempts with multiple GMs.... However, who knows.. could of dropped to a 4th.. ..

Below is from the NFL.Com
From NFL.Com
Redskins reportedly pursuing Cutler

Posted: April 2nd, 2009 | NFL.com Staff | Tags: Jason Campbell, Jay Cutler, Vinny Cerrato, Washington Redskins

The Post updated its initial report by saying the Redskins offered Campbell to an undisclosed team for a second-round draft pick. The Redskins are believed to be acquiring picks to build a package for Cutler. That could indicate that the Broncos don’t want Campbell and might be comfortable with Chris Simms or a rookie in the upcoming draft as their starter.
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Posted by Alan4

Are people still spouting this falsehood? There is nothing to support the notion that "31 GMs wouldn't give better than a 3rd round pick" for JC. He was never shopped around to all 31 teams to see who would give up a draft pick.


Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 4, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

But zorn is fighting for his job and figured a 2/3 strength portis gives him the best chance for a W....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 4, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse


Zorn is not the only one Chris.

Clinton has been sooooo great for us that fans question if he still has it b/c he's had a few bad games.

GIVE THE BALL TO PORTIS AND HE GETS STRONGER AND WE HAVE A BETTER CHANCE TO WIN.

Posted by: Vicc | October 4, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

How many QB's in Redskins history have had to work behind lines this poor?

JC was racted as one of the best in the league during the 6-2 run last year, but when the line went, the running game went nad so did his stats along with the wins. It's NOT a coincidence.

Even Gibbs knew he couldn't win with the lines Snyerrato provided.

Posted by: Redskinrex | October 4, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Redskin - I guess Brady is mediocre too, since his numbers are the same/slightly worse than JC's on the year (above).

JC doesn't have the benefit of a Belichick, an O-line, and a Randy Moss/Welker around him.

JC is not hurting the team this year(other than the first half today). Its the fact that the team around him is garbage that people think hes the problem. Thats just being shortsighted.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 4, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm happy we won today. A win is a win, and we needed to win today, after last week.

That said, JC is nothing more than a back-up QB, that was made apparent to me today. I had supported JC, went along with the coaching/system change excuses, and all that, but no more. He will make you happy one play, and make you scream and curse the next.

All of his 3 int's were on him. He telegraphed every one, locking onto the receiver and throwing into coverage. His delivery is slow, he is indecisive, and at times grossly innacurate, and sometimes doesn't know what the hell he wants to do.
If it was left up to me I would have benched his azz today, he solely contributed to 4 turnovers.

Yes he threw 2 TD's, but hey, we were playing a team sorrier than the Lions. That is the only thing that saved us. We still rely on the same ole players, Moss,Cooley, and Portis, though Portis looked good today.

Where oh where is Malcom Kelley, Devin Thomas, Marko Mitchell, and Anthony Aldridge?

Fred Davis was involved in one play, Mason had a few touches.
Get the youngsters on the field and use them, so that teams can focus on somebody else other than, our usual 3 or 4 offensive weapons.

The D played great, glad to see a DB blitz and get a sack. Carlos Rodgers hands are pathetic, but what else is new?

In any case, lets move on to beat Carolina.

Posted by: 72Redskins | October 4, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

The 6-2 start last year had far more to do with Clinton Portis than Jason Campbell.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 4, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Sanchez - rookie QB on good team vs no-name Saints D: 5 turnovers, defeat.

Stafford - rookie QB on poor team vs big-name Skins D: looks like an all-pro, 19 game loss streak snapped with win.

Heh, heh.

Posted by: TubularBells | October 4, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Brady's numbers????

I don't care at all about QB ratings. Rivers QB rating is lower than JC's. So what?

No one is going to hold a straight face and tell you they'd rather have JC than Tom Brady or Phillip Rivers.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 4, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Rypien11- Stop. Just please stop. Don't ever compare Jason Campbell to Tom Brady ever again. That's insulting to Tom Brady. I think JC's stats are seriously getting in the way of your thinking right now..

Posted by: rachel216 | October 4, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

SkinsneedaGM, sorry, nothing in your post proves the Skins couldn't get a second rounder for JC. Show me a link.

You're attempting to pawn off your assessment of JC's value on NFL GMs to give your opinion authority. If you think he's garbage, fine. Obviously, Zorn deosn't share your opinion.

Try supporting your opinion with your own analysis or actual facts, please don't make stuff up to "prove" your point. You lose credibility that way.

I'm not calling you a liar, because I suspect you're mis-remembering what happened based on things other people wrote on RI. But if you keep spouting what you're saying with no actual evidence to support it.... well, that's on you.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 4, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

It was a clear sign today that Mason has moved to the number 2 back and Betts is the 3rd down specialist.... Portis hit the holes much harder after Marcus ran for that 8 yard run..... Portis ran with a purpose and his wind was much better today.....

Posted by: thebanker21 | October 4, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

I'll take kyle orton, Shaun hill, and that dude whose got weird name in houstan over jc any day.

Posted by: dealer1 | October 4, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Rypien11- Who would you rather have as your quarterback? Jason Campbell or Tom Brady.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 4, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Zorn say in the SI article that "we" were trying to trade for Jay Cutler? So that would include him, Snyder and Cerrato. Zorn didn't choose Jason Campbell, that was just the hand he was dealt.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 4, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Portis ran with a purpose and his wind was much better today.....

Posted by: thebanker21 | October 4, 2009 9:14 PM |

2 cans of beans the night before will do that for you.

Posted by: TubularBells | October 4, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Zorn didn't choose Jason Campbell, that was just the hand he was dealt.

Posted by: rachel216


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i agree. It's a shame that Zorn will not have a chance to choose his players.

JC17 may have talent, stats, this and that; but he's not a winner(the most important stat for a QB)

JC17 had a few good/crucial scrambles for us today.

Posted by: Vicc | October 4, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Unless the team goes on a 5 or 6 game winning streak (if only), then I fully expect to see Todd Collins play this season.

Possibly as early as next week.

The Panthers may be winless, but they are not as bad as the Rams and Bucs. And that means that they aren't really any worse than the Redskins.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 4, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

A couple of interesting quotes from post game today:

JC talking about his 3 picks: "i was having a pretty good year until then..." LMAO!!! WOW!!!! WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what would be the ultimate is if vinny gives him an extension after this game. i'll die from laughter.i don't know who's more dellusional him or me for wasting my sundays expecting something different from vinny/snyder combo...those two fckhers can't even get lucky in the draft...

skins braintrust drafted 2 QB's in the first round: pat ramsey and jc AFTER marty picked sage rosenfells in 3rd or 4th round. next year only sage would be playing in the league as a backup (#2). DAMN!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | October 4, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

I'll take kyle orton, Shaun hill, and that dude whose got weird name in houstan over jc any day.

Posted by: dealer1 | October 4, 2009 9:15 PM |

Matt Shaloub. Mr, Monk!

Posted by: TubularBells | October 4, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

It's a good day! Cowboys lose and Redskins win!! That's all that matters. Now I hope we crush the Panthers next week.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 4, 2009

Meanwhile, Njyer is back home in SF doing Pilates getting ready to lead the Nats in a storied 2010 season ... it could be a very interesting one at that!

Posted by: periculum | October 4, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Zorn say in the SI article that "we" were trying to trade for Jay Cutler? So that would include him, Snyder and Cerrato. Zorn didn't choose Jason Campbell, that was just the hand he was dealt.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 4, 2009 9:20 PM |

In fact, Z probably talked Snyder into making a lunge for the Cut Man. San too!

Posted by: TubularBells | October 4, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

And this is part of the reason for the poor offensive showing this year..Taken from http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=4531613


Zorn, who had been under fire after a 1-2 start, and for some dubious play-calling, claimed after the contest it "was frustrating" not being able to get into any "kind of rhythm." Not quite true. The Redskins got into a monotonous sequence by running the ball on 16 of their 22 first-and-10 snaps before Moss' score. And on 15 of the 16 first-down running plays, Portis was the ball carrier.

Although the eight-year veteran did an exemplary impersonation of a battering ram against the feisty Tampa Bay defense, the first-down runs netted only 47 yards, or 2.94 yards per rush. The cumulative effect of so many body blows probably somewhat eroded the speed and strength of the Tampa Bay front seven. But it also rendered the Washington offense terribly predictable and maddeningly one-dimensional.

Posted by: TWISI | October 4, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

JC talking about his 3 picks: "i was having a pretty good year until then..." LMAO!!! WOW!!!! WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what would be the ultimate is if vinny gives him an extension after this game. i'll die from laughter.i don't know who's more dellusional him or me for wasting my sundays expecting something different from vinny/snyder combo...those two fckhers can't even get lucky in the draft...

skins braintrust drafted 2 QB's in the first round: pat ramsey and jc AFTER marty picked sage rosenfells in 3rd or 4th round. next year only sage would be playing in the league as a backup (#2). DAMN!!!

Posted by: dealer1

JC must think like the folks on here that are in love with his stats. Lions, Rams, and Bucs aren't exactly tearing up the league my friends.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 4, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

From the same article

Fortunately for the Redskins, and for Zorn as well, the coach stumbled upon the right answers at the most opportune time.

During one third-quarter sequence in which Washington went from a 10-3 deficit to a 16-10 lead, Campbell threw three straight passes on first-and-10. The results: an incompletion, a 17-yard touchdown pass down the middle to tight end Chris Cooley, and the 59-yarder to Moss.

In all, Campbell was 4-of-6 on first down, for 104 of his 170 passing yards, the two touchdowns, no interceptions and a passer rating of 149.3.

Posted by: TWISI | October 4, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

periculum- Yes! It was extra sweet that the Nats ended their season on a 7 game win streak! I'm excited for next year, I think we can contend!! I think I'm a little too happy. :)

Posted by: rachel216 | October 4, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Hey Brownwood26,

I saw this article the other day and I was reminded of our chit-chat 2-3 weeks back:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/216147/page/1

See page 2 of the article, 3rd paragraph, last sentence.

I guess I wasn't talking outta my ass with what I was suggesting huh?

Posted by: Vicc | October 4, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins got into a monotonous sequence by running the ball on 16 of their 22 first-and-10 snaps before Moss' score.

Posted by: TWISI | October 4, 2009 9:33 PM |

Duh! And monotony had nothing to do with the DBs being two steps behind Moss, did it?

Posted by: TubularBells | October 4, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

As a quarterback JC isn't even close to as bad as Joe Theismann (who greatly benefited from learning from two cagey vets Jurgenson and Kilmer), Jay Schroeder, or even Superbowl MVP Mark Rypien. Rypien was the turnover king, you barely touched him and he fumbled. Completely incompetent, and terrible without a decent offensive line.

But complaining about JC you miss the big picture:

And that is the offensive line which desperately needs to be addressed and has for the last 2 years or more.

The offensive systems of the Redskins that keep changing every other year: that doesn't happen and hasn't happened to Brady or to Peyton Manning and that in large part is why they are franchise QBs.

And next year, yet another offensive system, yet another QB. Think about how many 'systems', qb's, offensive coordinators have had under Snyder. Its like the flavor of the month. Pick one and stick with it is the way to reach franchise QB nirvana that everyone here seems to want to achieve.

Posted by: periculum | October 4, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

No "mis-remembering", Alan4, Here are two links.. referencing Snyder's attempt to trade JC, TWICE.. He couldnt get a Second round pick for JC...which means that means he was only worth a 3rd rounder.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/04/02/redskins-in-the-mix-for-cutler/

here is a link about unsuccessfully trying to trade up to get Sanchez (another failed attempt to get a 2nd for JC). This link references Campbell is in shock that the Skins tried again to trade him..unsuccessfully.. And he wanted to be traded if they brought in Sanchez..
Dan wanted at least a 2nd round pick for JC with each trade attempt.. And he was rebuffed.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d81006e0f&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

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SkinsneedaGM, sorry, nothing in your post proves the Skins couldn't get a second rounder for JC. Show me a link.

You're attempting to pawn off your assessment of JC's value on NFL GMs to give your opinion authority. If you think he's garbage, fine. Obviously, Zorn deosn't share your opinion.

Try supporting your opinion with your own analysis or actual facts, please don't make stuff up to "prove" your point. You lose credibility that way.

I'm not calling you a liar, because I suspect you're mis-remembering what happened based on things other people wrote on RI. But if you keep spouting what you're saying with no actual evidence to support it.... well, that's on you.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 4, 2009 9:14 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 4, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Duh! And monotony had nothing to do with the DBs being two steps behind Moss, did it?

Posted by: TubularBells | October 4, 2009 9:38 PM

So your saying that you have to run the ball over 70% on first down before you can get a deep pass completed... Okay.....

Posted by: TWISI | October 4, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

The cumulative effect of so many body blows probably somewhat eroded the speed and strength of the Tampa Bay front seven.

Posted by: TWISI | October 4, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse


You are DAMN right!

See my response to Alan4 at 8:54!

Portis wears the defense down cuz he's a BALLER.

Posted by: Vicc | October 4, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Peri,

Have you seen JC ever look-off a DB? Ever?

Or how about have you seen him go through a progression to the third or, (gasp) fourth WR?

The answer is no because he can't.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 4, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Rachel - no offense, but I'm not going to argue with you.

Mr. Redskin -

If course I'd rather have Brady. And of course Brady is better.

BUT... until the 1st half today, Campbell was not the problem with this team, and the numbers reflect that. Is he perfect? No. I'd say he is an average to slightly above average QB, probably in the #14-16 range of starters in the league.

BUT AGAIN...JC is NOT what is killing us as a team. He is a servicable QB. Young, strong, big arm, good scrambler, tough, good attitude, and USUALLY doesn't make big mistakes (today excluded).

The point is, if the rest of the team wasn't so terrible, we wouldn't be having these discussions. It's just the easiest position on the field to point the finger at for the shortcomings of the whole team... nevermind the fact that the O-line is terrible...playcalling is worse... we have ONE good WR... our RB is in decline... our defense is not as good as we thought... etc. etc.

There are only 4 or 5 QBs in the league that are dominant and will win games on their own merit. JC is not one of them.

THe rest of the QBs in the league are about as good as the team surrounding them, and usually go as the teams go. So is JCs fate.

If we didn't have problems in nearly EVERY other area of our squad, JC wouldn't even be a discussion.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 4, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

I hate it when fans continually question Clinton’s toughness. He has only missed 9 games for us and NO HE WON’T GET KILLED running 25+ times, but the opposing defense will.

Posted by: Vicc | October 4, 2009

You're a fool to think or believe that claptrap. Probably along the lines of believing that Randy Thomas was good for 16 games at guard? Clearly you don't watch these games.

There were "pro's" in this game if you had been paying attention to them. Rinehart played in his second game. He and Montgomery are getting reps and improving!!! That's huge almost monumental. Be nice to see the same from BMW.

Posted by: periculum | October 4, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Peri,

Have you seen JC ever look-off a DB? Ever?

Or how about have you seen him go through a progression to the third or, (gasp) fourth WR?

The answer is no because he can't. He had plenty of time today and contrary to an earlier post the O-line did create a pocket for JC today.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 4, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Periculum,

Yes, you are right our O-line needs to be upgraded.

But our QB position needs an upgrade a little bit more.

Posted by: Vicc | October 4, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Peri,

Is your dislike for Clinton personal?

Posted by: Vicc | October 4, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

There were "pro's" in this game if you had been paying attention to them.

Posted by: periculum

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Yeah.

We gave Clinton the f-ing ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Vicc | October 4, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Rivers is 4/11 for 41 yards and he's down 21-0. SO much better than JC, huh?

FOOTBALL IS A TEAM SPORT.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 4, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Brady's numbers????

I don't care at all about QB ratings. Rivers QB rating is lower than JC's. So what?

No one is going to hold a straight face and tell you they'd rather have JC than Tom Brady or Phillip Rivers.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 4, 2009 9:06 PM

EXACTLY!!!

Who cares that JC has stat lines that are comparable to the elite qbs in the league. Not anyone who is a football purist! When the ball is snapped, the leadership and the way they make something out of nothing far exceeds anything Campbell has exhibited himself capable of unless he has time to make a sandwich behind center! Well, even if he does have that time, as shown this year, he STILL stares down ONE receiver and STILL throws to the guy the play was designed to go to regardless of the coverage, like the play to Kelly resulting in the interception. JC is mediocre at best, but no...it is not just him.

Our front office is mediocre, for lack of a better word. there is a reason why both Kelly and Devin were available for us in the second round - they can't get freakin' OPEN!!! Whenever we saw replays thruout the game, the Bucs DBs were on our receivers like snuggies!!!! Do we need a GM - yes! But first, in the play the guys we got now manner, somebody light a fire under our receivers coach's ass and tell him to get our wannabe great weapons of mass destruction, but de facto sub-par receivers, asses in gear and create some damn separation!!

Line-up: Moss - ARE - Kelly
Should be: Marko - Moss - Kelly/Thomas

Put that out there and if JC can't hit them, put Collins in and let him do it! I mean damn...if JC plays this way in a CONTRACT year, knowing that Snyder is NOT going to keep his ass no matter what he does, and that he needs to show another team what he can do...then he will never be what this town always needs their QB to be - GREAT. If show me the money don't get you going, not to mention throwing picks to QB fodder-type teams...then his butt should be on the BENCH!! No excuses at all! He should be on the bench! Collins can manage a game. JC only has legs over him, which he chooses sometimes not to use anyway, so put a guy in that can complete a pass, not a "stat" pass, but game winners and sticks-movers...NOW!

One other thing...of all the times for Dan Snyder NOT to be his true self (Mr. Firer/Meddler)...why does he pick now?? He should be down there saying if you don't do this or that I'm going to fire you Zorn...or just fire him already. Hell, NEEDING a training camp and playbooks are overrated...just ask Brett Favre...nothing like OJT...can't get any worse can it? Get someone in here that can do the job and stop the bleeding! FD are idiots for giving this guy so many titles anyway...unless they were setting him up to be the "goat" and justifying why Dan pulled yet another 2-yr switch! oh well, they hate you anyway Danny...do it! Like Nike...JUST DO IT!!

G'night all...

Posted by: dark_some | October 4, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Peri,

Have you seen JC ever look-off a DB? Ever?

1. When is JC ever given time? Not stoopid beer besotted Redskin fan time. But NFL pro time? This year not at all.

2. Remember Patrick Ramsey? Remember Spurrier? Remember NO OL just wide receivers?

3. In last year's final game JC was masterful when he had time.

As I mentioned, in spite of the all the hulla-balloo ... in spite of Snyder's incompetence I do see some hope in Rinehart and Montgomery's play. Whereas Heyer's continues to decline. (As does teammate Gaither's with the Ravens ... ~smiles~).

Show me JC with a decent, healthy young offensive line and then let's judge.

Posted by: periculum | October 4, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

SkinsneedaGM, we all know the Skins tried to get Cutler and Sanchez. The falsehood is the notion JC couldn't command a 2nd rounder from 31 GMs.

Your first link does not say the Skins couldn't get a 2nd rounder for JC. It says the Broncos wouldn't close the deal, and we now know that's because the coach preferred Kyle Orton over JC. The coach himself said so. Other than that, the Skins offered exactly what Chicago offered... and the Broncos took Chicago's deal because the coach liked Orton better.

The second link only says the Skins tried to acquire Sanchez... there's no mention of even trying to trade Campbell at all. It says Campbell was going to *ask* for a trade if the team brought in Sanchez.

There is still no evidence that a single GM turned down the opportunity to trade a 2nd rounder for JC. The evidence points towards the Broncos coach preferring Kyle Orton as his starting QB, and rejecting a deal from the Skins on that basis.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 4, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

jc backers are incredible...i think it's just one person with 5 different handles trying to annoy us. i really do.

Posted by: dealer1 | October 4, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

I hate it when fans continually question Clinton’s toughness. He has only missed 9 games for us and NO HE WON’T GET KILLED running 25+ times, but the opposing defense will.

Posted by: Vicc | October 4, 2009


You're a fool to think or believe that claptrap.

Posted by: periculum | October 4, 2009 9:45 PM

And your proof?

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still waiting

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Posted by: Vicc | October 4, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Rypien11- It's okay. After you said "I guess Brady is mediocre too, since his numbers are the same/slightly worse than JC's on the year" I really can't read anything else you put up.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 4, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Peri, I must have watched a different game than you today because JC had plenty of time to throw everytime he went back to.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 4, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

We gave Clinton the f-ing ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Vicc | October 4, 2009

Yeah? Let's compare Clinton 2 weeks ago with the oldest most infirm line in the NFL? 2.9 yards per carry? And he has ONLY SCORED 2TDS in 12 games! TWELVE GAMES!? Where is mr. tough as steal on 4th and goal at the one? Not there last I looked. The 2 TDs today came courtesy of JC and Cooley and Moss.

Why did he look good today. The age of his OL suddenly decreased due to injury! Suddenly the young guys are getting to play and they may suck at pass blocking but, with the exception of Heyer, they can and do enjoy RUN blocking?

Stop being a silly Portis fan. He is an average back at this point. Let me know when he catches a touch down pass.

Posted by: periculum | October 4, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

There is still no evidence that a single GM turned down the opportunity to trade a 2nd rounder for JC. The evidence points towards the Broncos coach preferring Kyle Orton as his starting QB, and rejecting a deal from the Skins on that basis.


Posted by: Alan4

JC sure is playing his way into a big payday this year isn't he?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 4, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

VICC, here's your proof idiot. Last year, last nine games. 3.2 yards per carry, 2 touchdowns. Was he injured? He surely got the carries? He surely was there during that losing streak?

Posted by: periculum | October 4, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

saltine182, the only way I could prove you wrong is if we sat down and watched the game again.

Again, stop looking at ONLY the stats to serve as the base of your argument. Stats don't always tell the story, and sometimes them sh**s flat out lie.

You could tell the people on the board that have no true understanding of football. It's not about the QB rating or how many yards were allowed or gained.

Sometimes, and this is SO damn obvious, what truly matters can not show up the damn box scores many of you covet so much.

You have to able to watch the game and try to analyze for yourself.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 4, 2009 7:54 PM

Please Red, tell me what matters.

Posted by: saltine182 | October 4, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Well when someone wants Kyle Orton over you, you know you suck. Up until this year he's been horrible. He's actually been decent this year.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 4, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

If Griffin is hurt, they need to move Daniels to tackle and use a rotation. Put Orakpo at fulltime DE, rotate Carter and Jarmon and put Wilson at SLB.

Posted by: Seasontickets1966 | October 4, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin's post @ 7:38 PM shows Cowpies fans bashing Romo the same way Skins fans are bashing JC.

Obviously, both teams have problems other than QB. The Cowpies and Skins both have other problems than QB, but fans don't care. Fortunately for Cowpies fans, Jerry Jones has become less meddlesome and seems inclined to let things play out. I can only hope Snyder also lets the season play out before doing anything drastic.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 4, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

andre carter where are you? he gets taken out of the game, one on one almost every play

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 4, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

VICC, How many superbowl MVPs? How many NFL MVP's does Clinton Portis have? How many superbowl rings? Even that charlatan Cerrato has superbowl rings? Huh? Where are they dude? Riggins has them. Larry Brown was the NFL MVP. Portis can't even score TDs anymore he still has only 2? And take away that 34 yard run? What does his average look like? He is an average back at this point. Average ... if JC is a gawd awful QB then Portis must and should fall in the same category: gawd awful.

Posted by: periculum | October 4, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

alan4
This is a direct clip and paste from the first link..
The deal didnt happen because Snyder was turned down.. (same on the second link).

"The Post updated its initial report by saying the Redskins offered Campbell to an undisclosed team for a second-round draft pick. The Redskins are believed to be acquiring picks to build a package for Cutler. That could indicate that the Broncos don’t want Campbell and might be comfortable with Chris Simms or a rookie in the upcoming draft as their starter."

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 4, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

And to be blunt Portis, while a decent back, has never been a Derrick Ward, Adrian Peterson, Frank Gore, LaDanian Tomilson, Willie Parker, Tashard Choice, Brandon Jacobs, or Marion Barber.

Posted by: jiacinto | October 4, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

And next year, yet another offensive system, yet another QB. Think about how many 'systems', qb's, offensive coordinators have had under Snyder. Its like the flavor of the month.

Posted by: periculum | October 4, 2009 9:40 PM

It was Snyder's naive notion that there needed to be "continuity" with Gibbs 2.0 that was his undoing. Once the decision was make to scrap the Gibbs/Saunders O because it was a creaky relic they should have nuked the O coaches and Campbell and probably even Port-o-let. If they were lucky they could have gotten some decent draft picks for Campbell and Port-o-let before their value deteriorated.

Posted by: TubularBells | October 4, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Rypien11, since I "completely bashed JC as the root of all the teams troubles.", I ask you to serve up some evidence of this?

Problem is that you can't.

Don't go piss and moan because I call you a name or two. You wanna know how to avoid it?

Don't make up s*** about me to try and feel better about yourself. Don't come up here chest out proclaiming that I posted some bs that I didn't. Not ONCE did I say that Campbell was the "root" of the Redskins struggles, but he's damn sure a part of it.

It could be that you simply misinterpreted what I was trying to put out. But little f's like you always try and downgrade others to upgrade your pathetic asses.

So here: take a kleenex and a tampon and get over your damn self. Get the f outta here with that "hurt feeling" nonsense cause I called you a name or two.

Man the f up.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 4, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Just got home, had great seats 11th row at the 30. Clear view of JC's throws...and he did what many up here asked him to do: took more chances. Those were some bad decisions and he's lucky he only had 3 ints. Dude had a bad game, but give credit where it's due, he also won the game for us with help from Cooley, Moss and Portis. That long ball to Moss was real pretty. And the one time I saw him look off the safety was the second long attempt to Moss that was picked, FWIW...

Reed was the bright spot in the secondary today, dude was everywhere. Beast.

Who was getting beat for sacks on the first drive?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 4, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Put Orakpo at fulltime DE, rotate Carter and Jarmon and put Wilson at SLB.

Posted by: Seasontickets1966 | October 4, 2009

Guess everyone here is smarter than Greg Blache? If anyone should move to DE its Haynesworth not Orapko. Orapko can't stop the run. So, unless you want to watch running backs you never heard of have 200+ yard days ... stop with this nonsense.

Posted by: periculum | October 4, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

And to be blunt Portis, while a decent back, has never been a Derrick Ward, Adrian Peterson, Frank Gore, LaDanian Tomilson, Willie Parker, Tashard Choice, Brandon Jacobs, or Marion Barber.

Posted by: jiacinto | October 4, 2009 10:03 PM

And to be FAIR...all of those guys had/have some mammoth O-lines!

Posted by: dark_some | October 4, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

andre carter where are you? he gets taken out of the game, one on one almost every play

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 4, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

I swear i don't know what game you are watching. Carter caused two holding penalties on his rushes today.

Posted by: TWISI | October 4, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Well when someone wants Kyle Orton over you, you know you suck. Up until this year he's been horrible. He's actually been decent this year.


Posted by: rachel216 | October 4, 2009 9:59 PM

McDaniels thought he could win with Orton, and he's been right so far.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 4, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

I have issues with Portis because he is a toxic influence on the team. He refuses to practice, play in the preseason, and demands special treatment. Snyder allows him to trash the coach in public. I think that Snyder and Cerratto have allowed him to run wild at the expense of the team. And increasingly his value is decreasing. I would have traded him in the offseason for linemen.

Posted by: jiacinto | October 4, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

You guys are PATHETIC, most of you are alot of the reason the Redskins are the team they are. You sit back and talk like you are an expert on Footbal, disecting every little thing that happens--"this guy sucks" "that guy sucks" "fire him" "fire the coach" . You shout for joy when Snyder spends money to get a big name, then when things aren't working out well, you cry like a bunch of babies about how he has ruined the team, wah, wah, wah. You all have let this fantasy football crap go to your head. Remember the key word there people--fantasy. Sit back, watch the game and enjoy it if they win or lose, then move on. Get a life. I knew that even though we came from behind to win, JC was down for the count and rallied to win that you bunch of clowns would still be on here talking about benching him and firing Zorn. If you feel that you are such an expert on coaching or deciding who is good and who isn't, why aren't you involved in the NFL beyond your petty little "I don't really have much of a life" fantasy football league?

Posted by: shamusliam | October 4, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Look, stop thinking through the beer and use your heads? If you swap out JC and the offensive system what happens? You blow up the team. So, unless you really, really do manage to hire the brilliant young updated version of Joe Jackson Gibbs you are going to look pretty miserable ... as miserable as the Skins did in Norv's 1st 5 or 6 years.

Stop egging that numbskull Snyder on. He is bad enough as it is.

Posted by: periculum | October 4, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

alan4
This is a direct clip and paste from the first link..
The deal didnt happen because Snyder was turned down.. (same on the second link).

"The Post updated its initial report by saying the Redskins offered Campbell to an undisclosed team for a second-round draft pick. The Redskins are believed to be acquiring picks to build a package for Cutler. That could indicate that the Broncos don’t want Campbell and might be comfortable with Chris Simms or a rookie in the upcoming draft as their starter."

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 4, 2009 10:03 PM |

We already agreed on this. Coach McDaniels wanted Kyle Orton, and after that all bets were off. Here's the definitive link:

4. All you Redskins fans who are so sure youwerethisclose to getting Cutler? Total BS. Yes, Washington was competitive, and the 'Skins would have done whatever it took to get Cutler. But once McDaniels decided Orton was his man -- even though Washington's first-round pick would have been the 13th overall, five slots ahead of Chicago's -- the contest was over. The 'Skins were out of it, even though Cutler and greater Washington were sure it almost happened.


Nothing about 2nd round picks here.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 4, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

If you feel that you are such an expert on coaching or deciding who is good and who isn't, why aren't you involved in the NFL beyond your petty little "I don't really have much of a life" fantasy football league?

Posted by: shamusliam | October 4, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Too much of a time commitment in the NFL. I like to blog and go when I please.

Posted by: TWISI | October 4, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

shamusliam, lmao! my sentiments exactly.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 4, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

saltine: technique, scheme, intelligence, perseverance, intensity, focus, stamina...

These are some of the things that DON'T show up in a freakin' box score.

Two of the aforementioned adjectives that YOUR boy Landry lacks is technique (whiffs on tackles frequently) and focus.

It's only a secret to you, but obvious with most that Landry leaves a lot to be desired in his 3rd season.

I'm not saying the dude is terrible, but he's overrated. I think he's been living off what could have been if Sean Taylor were still alive, what he did in college, and a few plays he's made thus far.

Redskin fans have had little to cherish over the years, so when someone makes a good play it tends to stick with us for ALL ETERNITY. It's time to create new and nostalgic memories.

The Steelers are AIRING out the Chargers, man...

Posted by: RedDMV | October 4, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

I would have traded him in the offseason for linemen.

Posted by: jiacinto | October 4, 2009

You wouldn't have gotten anything ... no takers.

Posted by: periculum | October 4, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

If you feel that you are such an expert on coaching or deciding who is good and who isn't, why aren't you involved in the NFL beyond your petty little "I don't really have much of a life" fantasy football league?

Posted by: shamusliam | October 4, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Too much of a time commitment in the NFL. I like to blog and go when I please.

Posted by: TWISI | October 4, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

My fear is that we are going to play bad enough to not make the playoffs, but just good enough to not pick in the cream of the crop come draft time...so no franchise QB for us. And yes, I do know that we can pick one in the later part of the first round or draft (like Rodgers/Brady), but OUR FO is doing the selecting so we will pick someone like, gulp, JC...AFTER we give up another draft pick so we can move up and get him...oh the horror. And I actually have an "on the field" authentic JC jersey because I just knew he was destined for stardom...NOT!

I want Todd Collins, but I always wind up needing "Tom" Collins after the game! Haha...

Posted by: dark_some | October 4, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Orapko can't stop the run. So, unless you want to watch running backs you never heard of have 200+ yard days ... stop with this nonsense.

Posted by: periculum

Do you have some stat's to back this up or do you think you know it all. Everybody has an opinion on this blog. You can state yours without the extra commentary. That's why I do not post on this that much. some guys think they have big kahuna's behind their keyboard

Posted by: Seasontickets1966 | October 4, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Hey Peri,

He had three games of 25+ carries in our losing streak and we only won 1 of those 3 games; the Skin's will never go 16-0 and you are gonna lose some games--be realistic.

Our chances of winning are great when we give Portis 25 touches and today's result is consistent with my approach.

We, both, keep mentioning stats, but mine results in an 18-5(W/L) fashion. Are we really arguing here? Give Clinton Portis his carries if you like winning.

You are not an 'idiot' though.

Posted by: Vicc | October 4, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

..."most of you are alot of the reason the Redskins are the team they are."

Um, the only time I see a fan on the field, a minute or two they're being taken down by security.

Fans aren't allowed in the facility at Redskins Park.

Fans aren't allowed to sit in coaches meetings.

Fans aren't allowed to sit in the war room on draft day.

Fans aren't assessing free agents, and what players are essential to the progress of the team and what they're trying to accomplish.

It's funny though. You come up here and rant bs about how people are wasting their time on a blog instead of being involved with the NFL, but I see you were kind enough to grace us with your presence.

Hypocritical much?

Posted by: RedDMV | October 4, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

I give Vinny A+ for his recent cheerleading talent upgrades, though.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | October 4, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

You guys are PATHETIC, most of you are alot of the reason the Redskins are the team they are. You sit back and talk like you are an expert on Footbal, disecting every little thing that happens--"this guy sucks" "that guy sucks" "fire him" "fire the coach" .
Posted by: shamusliam | October 4, 2009 10:12 PM

Question:

1) What is worse, dissecting the game or dissecting and responding to blog posts with your spell-check off?

Just asking...

Posted by: dark_some | October 4, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

And to be blunt Portis, while a decent back, has never been a Derrick Ward, Adrian Peterson, Frank Gore, LaDanian Tomilson, Willie Parker, Tashard Choice, Brandon Jacobs, or Marion Barber.

Posted by: jiacinto | October 4, 2009 10:03 PM

And to be FAIR...all of those guys had/have some mammoth O-lines!

Posted by: dark_some | October 4, 2009 10:08 PM |

You are sooooo wrong. Parker has had only 3 seasons over 1,000 yds. Portis has only had 1 under 1,200. Tashard Choice? Are you effing serious? Couldn't hold his jock strap yet. Gore's good but with only 4 seasons there is still no comparison. Barber has never rushed for 1,000. Jacobs barely scratched 1,000 twice. You're just trying to find something to b!tch about while not actually backing up what you say. Barber and Jacobs also had 2 other backs helping keep them fresh. Gore runs against the Rams, Seagulls, and Arizona 6 times a year. Derrick Ward? You've got to be an a$$.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 4, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

So, unless you really, really do manage to hire the brilliant young updated version of Joe Jackson Gibbs you are going to look pretty miserable ...

Posted by: periculum | October 4, 2009 10:13 PM |

As dire as you make it sound, it's the path that the FO has chosen in Tam, Kan and Den.

Posted by: TubularBells | October 4, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Seasontix, while I'm not saying that I agree with Periculum , stats aren't always going to tell you the real story.

How would Periculum quote stats as far as proof that Orakpo can't stop the run.

It's observation. Ob-sir-vay-shun... I'm SICK of people always crying freakin' stats when they want validation.

Go look at a f'n game log... or better yet watch and analyze. Get your own damn opinion instead of asking numbers to do it for you.

Tony Romo has stats for his career, but he's a poor to mediocre QB. Why? Because he hasn't won ANY meaningful games and he SUCKS in the clutch.

QB's are assessed on quality and meaningful games won, and how they perform in the clutch. For all the Campbell backers, he blows at both.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 4, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Just pointing out how most of you really sound like you believe you are experts on what should and should not happen and if you truly believe in the level of your expertise, then why don't you have a job with the NFL in some capacity. As for me blogging along with you, I very seldom write anything and I would never presume to consistently know better than someone who is making a very good living working for an NFL Team. I just get tired of the same people crying for the same things year after year and getting the same results with the teams we have and never stopping to think that their impatient crying may be part of the problem.

Posted by: shamusliam | October 4, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

And to be blunt Portis, while a decent back, has never been a Derrick Ward, Adrian Peterson, Frank Gore, LaDanian Tomilson, Willie Parker, Tashard Choice, Brandon Jacobs, or Marion Barber.

Posted by: jiacinto


WTF has Ward, Choice, Barber, Gore, or Jacobs has done in the NFL to give them "better than Portis" status?

Are you f-ing kidding me with that Choice and Ward GARBAGE? Especially those two.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 4, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Dark_some:
Don't you have to go to school tomorrow? What are you doing up past your bedtime?

Posted by: shamusliam | October 4, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

The Steelers are AIRING out the Chargers, man...

Posted by: RedDMV | October 4, 2009 10:17 PM


Mendenhall has also rushed 20 time for 100 yards and 2 TDs.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 4, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

I don't "impatiently cry". I just get frustrated that every year it's another excuse with the same mistakes. I'm frustrated that Sndyer spends millions to acquire high-priced veterans who are past their prime in their careers, who only to come to DC to get paid.

Posted by: jiacinto | October 4, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

I don't "impatiently cry". I just get frustrated that every year it's another excuse with the same mistakes. I'm frustrated that Sndyer spends millions to acquire high-priced veterans who are past their prime in their careers, who only to come to DC to get paid.

Posted by: jiacinto | October 4, 2009 10:38 PM

Well that and the fact that you're an a$$.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 4, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Rachel - I know its difficult to discern over the internet, but that Brady quote was intended to be sarcastic, to imply the faultiness of the logic of JC being SO much worse than every other QB in the leauge.

RedDMV - thanks for the laugh my friend. No, you didnt say JC was the root of all the teams troubles. But singling him out in your post from halftime today reflects that you see him as a main problem. I think that's incorrect.

As for the rest of your post, unfortunately for you I am not another tough guy who is going to "man up" and show his manliness behind aggressive and insulting posts on a message board. I can see that you have enough people on here who are willing to engage you in such behavior, so I'll leave it up to them.

Don't go through life so angry, my friend.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 4, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Red,

I have seen and evaluated more games than you have or will have in your life. Thanks for your brilliant enunciation. Or do you know what that word means. I agree with you on your statement about stat's, but Peri has neither stat's not any other validation to make that statement about Orakpo.

Posted by: Seasontickets1966 | October 4, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Shamu you need to chill man,

The problem with your post is that you are not getting what this site is for: OUR COMMENTS! It is here in fact so we can voice our opinions of the articles written and the games that are played by our teams. To think that everyone should feel and/or give a positive outlook when things are clearly awry in Ashburn is ridiculous! Besides, we have a right to our own opinion. Use your mouse if you don't like them...or join in. But how do you bash posters who are tired of this bs?? You think the players don't read this stuff we type? Oh yes they do! Ask Cooley or Henson...

Posted by: dark_some | October 4, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Red,

I have seen and evaluated more games than you have or will have in your life. Thanks for your brilliant enunciation. Or do you know what that word means. I agree with you on your statement about stat's, but Peri has neither stat's not any other validation to make that statement about Orakpo.

Posted by: Seasontickets1966 | October 4, 2009 10:42 PM |

Hang out long enough tix'66 and you'll find out that perineum is to be ignored.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 4, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

"I just get tired of the same people crying for the same things year after year and getting the same results with the teams we have and never stopping to think that their impatient crying may be part of the problem."

Posted by: shamusliam


Dude, seriously, how does the constant pissing and moaning of the fans contribute to the success of the team? Really, please answer me that.

It's not like the fans aren't complaining for nothing. Do you really think that fans would complain and whatnot if they were consistent winners?

So when they stink the joint up, the fans should but on blinders (most do, but some are taking them off), cheer and pat them on the back and comment on how good they're playing?

What the f is that? It sounds like some self-help book crap.

Screw that, I'll lay off the criticism when they become consistent.

And dude, for the record, this is a world of "it's not what you know, it's who you know", so just by having a job in the NFL doesn't mean that you're some football genius. There are plenty of people who probably could hold a NFL position of some capacity, but they either chose another avenue in life or just weren't given the chance.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 4, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Seasontix, don't go patting yourself on the back because you know how to use your dictionary.com toolbar.

Thanks for complimenting me on my outline, or as you put it my "enunciation".

Try not to be a smug condescending d-bag when trying to flex intelligence. It doesn't work well for you.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 4, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

I very seldom write anything and I would never presume to consistently know better than someone who is making a very good living working for an NFL Team.

Posted by: shamusliam | October 4, 2009 10:34 PM |

How about Matt Millen? Would you presume to know more or better than him? How about Danny?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 4, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

"Dude, seriously, how does the constant pissing and moaning of the fans contribute to the success of the team? Really, please answer me that."
Maybe, Snyder, brilliant business man that he is, has been attempting to please his customers, us fans?
Also, would you, as a player want to play hard for a bunch of cry babies like us? Hell, you could win a hard game-- We have always had trouble with TB, home or away, and the people you are trying to please still yell and scream or "piss and moan" about how you suck and everyone should be fired. It would be like your boss where you work trying to motivate you by making fun of you. Your probably going to do just enough not to get made fun of and then "the hell with him" because he is a jackass anyway. I know there is room for improvment with our team but we have to show support for them and not be so hyper-critical of everything they do. Let them want to fight for us, quit booing them all the time and shouting for their heads after every game.

Posted by: shamusliam | October 4, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV - thanks for the laugh my friend. No, you didnt say JC was the root of all the teams troubles. But singling him out in your post from halftime today reflects that you see him as a main problem. I think that's incorrect.

As for the rest of your post, unfortunately for you I am not another tough guy who is going to "man up" and show his manliness behind aggressive and insulting posts on a message board. I can see that you have enough people on here who are willing to engage you in such behavior, so I'll leave it up to them.

Don't go through life so angry, my friend.

Posted by: Rypien11


Rypien11, Campbell had two picks and wasn't progressing through his reads. They showed a pick where he stared down a receiver.

The Redskins were fortunate enough the Buccaneers couldn't do anything with the opportunities that were given as a result of those INTs.

Again, you come up here with your chest out, and ONLY single out me. Like I was the only one dogging Jason Campbell.

And I don't want you to go in a back and forth. What's funny is that I don't either. I only start to get unpleasant when someone of the likes of you come and post bs about me, the boy, to try and boost your ego or feel better about your pathetic ass.

Like I said, I wasn't the only one down on Campbell (and I still am), but you come here posting that nonsense.

Like Campbell didn't have FOUR f-ing turnovers today. But no, surely he's not the problem.

Whatever the f ever....

And finally, you do not know me at all to know when I'm angry. Just becasue I drop a few four lettered words does not mean that I'm "angry".

So shut the f*** up.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 4, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Also, would you, as a player want to play hard for a bunch of cry babies like us?

Posted by: shamusliam | October 4, 2009 10:58 PM

Look man, I play flag football to win and it's not my livlihood or part of my identity. It's called competitiveness and pride. i don't play for "cry babies" or "cheerleaders." You're argument is whack. These are professional athletes. I'm sure they want to win for the same reasons I want to win in my little rec league. Plus they make millions (mostly).

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 4, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

It's only a secret to you, but obvious with most that Landry leaves a lot to be desired in his 3rd season.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 4, 2009 10:17 PM

The guy plays 15-20 yards off the line of scrimmage most downs.

We aren't getting beat deep.

Red, I understand you are the resident expert, but most of your comments are subjective and don't hold water with others.

Stats are facts. Rational, thought out arguments use both personal perceptions and opinions and objective information to support them.

Skins are ranked 5th against the pass this year, even if we have played some weak teams.

Posted by: saltine182 | October 4, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

"How about Matt Millen? Would you presume to know more or better than him? How about Danny?"
Good question but they both probably know more than I do about the NFL. They probably know more then most of the posters on this blog as well, which is my point.
My knowledge is more along the line of knowing how to take losing like a man instead of screaming and crying to the masses about how differnt things would be if I was in charge. You seem to be quite a bit more mature than that crowd though.

Posted by: shamusliam | October 4, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

shamusliam, first I want to say that I respect what you have to say. You don't go cry and whine just because a dude drops a few edited curse words.

Again, mad respect....

BUT, that doesn't mean that I agree with you in how the fans should react to this team when they are sucking elephant ass on Sundays.

I think the players, the Redskin players, should NOT be motivated on how we respond when they do well or when they suck.

These guys are professionals. It should not matter on how fans (who are essentially outsiders) react to the play on the field.

If my boss came and and gave me the business when I f'd up (which he does), I'd take the ass-chewing as a professional, access my mistake, and make sure that I take the proper steps to ensure that it doesn't happen again.

These dudes are millionaires. The loss hurts a little, but for them in the grand scheme life is good, damn good.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 4, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

You seem to be quite a bit more mature than that crowd though.

Posted by: shamusliam | October 4, 2009 11:09 PM |

Thanks, but that may mean you don't know me very well. I regress at times. See above at jiacinto. I somewhat tend to agree with the whole "this teams sucks" stuff is BS.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 4, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

I mean, this team does suck but it doesn't do any good to resink the ship everyday.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 4, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

"Look man, I play flag football to win and it's not my livlihood or part of my identity."

So you go full tilt to compete to win in your flag football league for your pride. Sounds as though you could really rethink your priorities, I mean come on..... flag football at 34 years old?? That's not only highly amusing but goes long lengths in proving my entire line of thought.

Posted by: shamusliam | October 4, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Red, I understand you are the resident expert, but most of your comments are subjective and don't hold water with others.

Stats are facts. Rational, thought out arguments use both personal perceptions and opinions and objective information to support them.

Skins are ranked 5th against the pass this year, even if we have played some weak teams.

Posted by: saltine182


See saltine, that's the difference between me and you. I come here to post and get some different perspectives, and from time to time post my jibba-jabba.

You come here wanting everyone to think that you have a clue about football. You come up here to validate to yourself that you have some football smarts. To read the "you're right" post when you post your comments.

I never have and don't need that s***, understand?

You obviously know how to pull stats, I'll give you that. But, you know nothing about the things that don't show up in the box scores.

And every comment up here is subjective, because how shamusliam put it: None of us are experts.

I've said from day one, I don't come up here to try and show off some self-perceived football acumen, or to make friends. I come here to post mainly on weekdays from 9-5, but just starting this season on game-days as well.

You asked me to tell you what matters, and I told you. Was I wrong? Or was that subjective as well?

Posted by: RedDMV | October 4, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

"Look man, I play flag football to win and it's not my livlihood or part of my identity."

So you go full tilt to compete to win in your flag football league for your pride. Sounds as though you could really rethink your priorities, I mean come on..... flag football at 34 years old?? That's not only highly amusing but goes long lengths in proving my entire line of thought.

Posted by: shamusliam | October 4, 2009 11:17 PM

Well, it's mostly for exercise and fun that I play, but I play hard to win the games. Same as I do at my job. The best performers earn the most respect and PAY.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 4, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Well gentlemen, it has been nice, I enjoyed blogging with you Red and scampbell1975. It is nice to speak with those who can take some crap as well as dishing it out. But I am getting too old to be up this late...life begins again early in the morning. Have faith in the skins and who knows--- maybe Zorn has some surprises up his sleeves for later this year. He could be saving the best of his playcalling for the second half of the season and doing just enough to get by for now-- but probably not!!

Posted by: shamusliam | October 4, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

YAY! We won.

BOO! I gotta wake up an go to work in few hours.

That's all I got. HTTR!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 4, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

See ya shamu.

HTTR

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 4, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Redskins are apparently poised to be a record breaking team in 1 respect: 1st team to play winless teams in its 1st 6 weeks. Has never been done in NFL before.

If the Redskins can't beat the absolute worst team in the NFL today without 3 missed FGs from the opposition, they could have posted a similarly unique stat: 1-5 against this tough opening schedule. As such they can only hope to achieve 4-2. Then they play some actual teams - no more games against Colgate or Hopkins.

This team sucks, I am sorry, and those of you who spend so many keystrokes arguing whether JC or CP is the root cause, I just don't understand it. Can we all agree that this is not a good team. Let's turn our focus to our ability to win in the offseason, because that is all we can hope for here. Redskins have been deadly in the offseason, let's keep that streak alive!

Posted by: zornskins2 | October 4, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

peace, shamusliam.

I 2nd the nite-nite as well.

One, 'Skins fans.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 4, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

lacking insider information-reid you should try and keep up with Clinton's numbers I believe he passed 2 rushers for all time nfl rushing yards, he passed Earl Campbell and Shaun Alexander. Now he is in the 26th spot all time. Inching closer to 10,000 yards.

Posted by: jasonbrown20 | October 4, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Red - thanks for your post! Have a great night!

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 4, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Zorn, JC, and Vinny all must go, give me either a proven coach with total control or a proven GM and let him pick the coach, take a QB in round 1 and oline the rest of the draft.

Posted by: zjfr2
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Exactly what I want to see (plus pursuit of O linemen in free agency).

Posted by: chasgiffen | October 4, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: BMACattack | October 4, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

I know Leinart has lost favor in AZ, but I honestly wouldn't mind trading like a 3rd rounder for him and taking the top O linemen available in the draft with the 1st and 2nds. I think Leinart can still be a good QB.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 5, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Agreed and have indicated before, JC bales on the play call when the primary receiver is covered.

This is unacceptable. However, it does not indicate that he is necessarily a QB that cannot get it done.

I am of the opinion though, that this is a offensive inadequacy that is correctable by practice.

I have seen to many good QB's and good offensive football Teams that thrive on killing the Defense when the initial play call is covered.

This is a part of overall offensive strategy that the Redskins and JC do not appear to relish.

They are hell bent on running those same plays that we see for years without any improvisation. When a play is initially covered that should be your key to get other people involved. It is a gameplan feature than can be taught and practiced.

If it is being adequately covered in practice as an offensive threat and JC is not executing in the game, then it is all his fault.

But, what I can see from the games, options after initial breakdown is not a major, or an important philosophy in the offensive gameplan.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 5, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

As horrible as JC was today in the first half, and he was horrible (and I'm a Campbell guy), I'm putting this back on Zorn.

It took 1 and a quarter years for this fool to run the play action, we scored two touchdowns in a quarter, and we never ever went back to it. Never went back to the play action, and it worked, twice. It actually worked on something to the effect of 5 consecutive plays. Yet for some reason, in quarter 4, we never went back to it.

Posted by: kingtutts | October 5, 2009 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Well, I was fortunate enough to not watch today's game (busy traveling; otherwise would have been watching of course). It certainly saved me a heart attack. Well, at least we won, and JC bounced back from a horrendous 1st half.

You know what though? Damnit, through thick and thin, I'll always be a Redskins fan. Nothing will ever stop me from loving the Burgundy and Gold.

HTTR

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | October 5, 2009 12:27 AM | Report abuse

You asked me to tell you what matters, and I told you. Was I wrong? Or was that subjective as well?

Posted by: RedDMV | October 4, 2009 11:19 PM

You're not wrong at all. You just take it too personal.

Posted by: saltine182 | October 5, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Right now, unless the QB name ends in Manning, Rothlisburger, or Brady (SB Champs), I could care less about them. The fact is the Skins are 2-2 and there are 12 games remaining in the season. Gotta love Campbell's situation though. He is at the end of his rookie deal, the owner wants him gone, the fans boo him mercilessly every game, who would want his job anyway? What decent QB in his right mind would want to play here?

Posted by: dabwilldo40 | October 5, 2009 12:34 AM | Report abuse

I'm starting to really feel good about dem' Cowboys. I know Jerry Jones is starting to bring some fire, for being convinced by his players and management to get rid of Terrell Owens.

I know ole' Tony Romo wished he hadda' had TO on the field in this game to throw few balls to.

Where was Whitten at when they needed a catch. Yea, be careful what you ask for.

Even though TO does not have it going yet in Buffalo, I know he is feeling pretty good about the fact Dallas may have appeared to have made a huge mistake in canning him.

It does not appear that anyone will replace the production he gave to that Team.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 5, 2009 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone ever stop and think about Ernest Becker's Pulitzer Price winning work about man's inability to comprehend his mortality. You all are going to grow very old or die at some point and the Redskins wont be there as a shield or defense mechanism to delay the inevitable: atheism.

Posted by: noseman4681 | October 5, 2009 1:07 AM | Report abuse

BeanTownGreg1,

I listened to Doc Walker and Brian Mitchell today. They echo the spirit of the comments that LA makes about this Team.

When I said that this Team was not in Football shape, you gave no credence to that assertion.

This Team has all it needs to be top notch. But, they did not prepare themselves as such.

When I say Footbal Shape, I hope you understand now what I meant. It is physical as well as mental. We did not prepare well at either during training Camp.

But because of the Legacy of the Redskins, the talent that we do have, and hopefully our philosophy keeps evolving fast, we still have a chance.

However, had we trained properly we could easily have been 4-0.

You see, if you are about winning a championship, then mediocrity is not acceptable. The Redskins for years now have prepared themselves 50-50, and yes they are my Team, but as fans we owe them the truth and should never sugarcoat our opinions about them.

And just because LA you say has an ax to grind, does not mean he does not what he is talking about, as well as Huff, Mithchell, Doc Walker, and many others.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 5, 2009 1:20 AM | Report abuse

JC is not the problem the issue is this JC is not good enough QB to bail a bad team such as the skins, if you need a QB to bail the skins you need someone like Roethliesberger, Payton, manning or tom Brady, someone of that caliber that is the biggest problem as for blaming everything on JC that not fait despite the fact that it falls on him, if you are gonna blame the losses on him give him credit for the wins don't use the team motto and say it was the team who won, that would be the easy way out.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | October 5, 2009 8:05 AM | Report abuse

I wonder how a top level elite NFL QB such as Brady, Brees, Manning etc. would fair on this Skins team given the exact same circumstances JC has to work under. I assume better than JC but certainly not at the level they play now. Yes, Campbell has had numerous games to improve, but how much consistencey has he had to work with over the past three years? The offensive line has been inconsistent, recievers- inconsistent, running game - inconsistent, coaching - inconsistent, special teams - inconsistent, ownership - inconsistent, defense - inconsistent (so far this year at least). If this team cannot get some sort of consistency that last more than two years the results will continue to be, well, inconsistent.

Posted by: NYSkinsFan1 | October 5, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

i was at the game sunday about 11 rows from the 40 behind the skins sideline. it looks like 90% of the times they bring DT11 into the game they run the ball. i dunno if anyone else noticed it or whether it was just coincidence, but i they gotta get the ball to him. the skins have to be able to spread the ball around. secondly i think the oline has to givr jc more time. there were plays that developed downfiels with ARE and MK12 where they worked to get open for what woulda been tds, but JC had to throw it away b/c of pressure.

bottom line though, JC doesn't TURN IT OVER 4 TIMES that game has blowout potential. we gotta stop shooting ourselves in the foot and JC cannot play like that anymore. BTW you think zorn stayed with JC because he has 0 confidence in TC15?


ps. i see why some dislike landry, he misses a lot of tackles to be a safety.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | October 5, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

There seems to be an obsession to critique JC. Most sensable people see his short comings and veiw him as an average quarterback. I know that its not all racially motivated but it doesn't help when you see how some hate him so!

Posted by: millineumman | October 5, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I know guys don't want to be injured, but often injured and seldom productive(if that) players like Corn. Griff. is one of the big reasons we suck.
I notice that only the younger players get rode about their production.

Posted by: millineumman | October 5, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Good morning my fellow Redskin-loving pals and gals...

What a great win yesterday for us! Stats and records aside, it was great to see us win and for there to be joy on our sideline again! We won and the cowgirls lost...another reason to be happy! JC played horrible in the first half, and brilliant in the second half. Congrats to JZ for calling a few plays that catered to JC's strengths....keep it up JZ! I love this team, and I am crazy proud of what we did yesterday. The fact is that in 32 years of fandom, we have never had the likes of a Brady, or a Manning, etc...but yet we have THREE SB trophies in our possession! We did it with great coaching (Gibbs), a stellar OL, and average QB's. Patience will get us to the top again! Have faith and be of good cheer! HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!!

Posted by: httr20081 | October 5, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I think people should cut JC a break. He played a horrible first half, but came back strong in the 2nd half to lead the Skins to two TD's in the 3rd quarter. His play the first three games (minus any semblance of a running game) has been very good. The pass protection is not as good as many posters on this blog think. The right side of the line gives up penetration on almost every pass play that isn't play action which forces Campbell to either step up or have to scramble. As one fan noted, he simply didn't have the time to hit open WR's down field because he was scrambling or had to throw the ball away to avoid a sack.

Any good QB is rendered medicre without a good line in front of him. I'd like to see how Eli Manning or Tony Romo would fare playing behind the Redskins O-Line. Each of them has plenty of time to throw in a pocket which isn't collapsing on most plays. No excuse for JC's bad INT's yesterday, but the QB play on the Redskins won't improve until we get a better line that opens up holes in the running game and provides better protection.

As for Portis, his production seems to have slipped with the continued deterioration of the O-Line. There were at least 6 plays that I counted where he was hit behind the line due to penetration and either lost yardage or struggled to get back to the line of scrimmage. It's nott like the Skins line is opening up holes for him to gain big chunks of yardage like last year. The loss of Randy Thomas is worse without a quality backup like Pete Kendall. It's a shame the Skins didn't sign him to a veteran minimum contract to be a backup at guard and center.

Posted by: wizfan89 | October 5, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

We need to stop looking at our team like Pats, Giants, Steelers etc. fans look at their teams, we are not a championship caliber team. Look at the skins thru the eyes of a Rams, Bucs, Chiefs, Raiders fan. after 4 games 2-2 is not a bad record, but it is a indication of the type of team the skins are, not playoff quality but better than 0-4

Posted by: russelljharris | October 5, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

"Wonder if hell show up to say anything about JC's near perfect QB rating in the second half and leading us back to victory?

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 4, 2009 7:02 PM"

Yo Ryp,

Don't know if he will, but I'll take a stab.

1st of all, without DeAngelo Hall's [who is our ONLY CB who regularly makes the INTs] bailing out of Carlos Rogers [who can't hold onto potential INTs if you sewed them onto his mittens or pinned them on his jersey next to his lunch money...which opposing offenses continually steal from him...], as well as bailing out 'ol JC after his bushel basket of mistakes and making that INT...Campbell doesn't likely get the CHANCE to do anything.

So let's not forget to show some love for that.

2nd of all, isn't it kind of funny that once again Clinton Portis has a nice day rushing, the team rushes for over 100 yards, and Campbell has half a chance to get a win.

To quote a friend, "I'm not sayin'...I'm just sayin'..."

So let's ALSO not forget to show some love for that.

Now onto this:

You realize that with Campbell's INT in the second half PRIOR to Fox sports posting that stat on the screen there is really NO WAY that it could be accurate, right?

The formula takes away SUBSTANTIALLY more than 1.1 points for an INT [158.3 being a perfect rating]...ergo no way in HELL mathematically possible that Campbell had a 157.2 QB rating EVEN in JUST the second half...so there's THAT.

There are only TWO instances where using the word "perfect" in describing JCs WHOLE GAME performance Sunday vs Tampa Bay, that would be correct, acceptable, and accurate in the english language.

They are:

1) As an example of doling out appropriate punishment to fit the crime, benching Jason Campbell for Sunday's first half performance would be perfect.

2) Jason Campbell's performance as a QB Sunday vs Tampa Bay was anything BUT perfect, in either half.

Anything else...would just be incorrect.

Campbell had a decent second half, no more, no less. That game could have been won by 17 or more points had Campbell hit ANY of the receivers he missed in the first half.

Also there were THREE Carlos Rogers style [ALMOST] picks that TB left out there during the course of that "game".

It could have been even worse.

Let's all enjoy the win, be greatful we got out of the 1st 4 games at 2-2, and all focus on what's really there and not what we want to see.

So far, I still haven't seen one whit of something that would have me do anything but thank Jason Campbell for his service as a Redskin at the end of this season.

Posted by: ThinkingMan | October 5, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder will never go broke underestimating the intelligence of Redskins fans. Stadium looked pretty full on tv - so a lot of us are still willing to spend on a mediocre product. Undecided on JC.

Posted by: HughGRection | October 5, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

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