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Moss predicts Portis will be back next year

No player in the Redskins' locker room is closer to Pro Bowl running back Clinton Portis than wide receiver Santana Moss, a fellow Floridian and a teammate in college at the University of Miami. The two have side-by-side lockers at Redskins Park, and they frequently socialize off the field.

Moss, then, offered the strongest defense of Portis of any Redskin. The running back was placed on the season-ending injured-reserve list Tuesday, and he hasn't played since suffering a concussion Nov. 8 at Atlanta. But even before that happened, Portis's production was down, and analysts and fans alike questioned whether he had lost a step and, in fact, his career might be coming to an end.

"People always say stuff when you're not doing something," Moss said. "But you look at what we had this year. What do you expect? What do you expect from a running back to be going through what we [are] going through season-wise, and not getting the carries that he's normally getting to get himself going? You can't do nothing.

"I mean, people are always going to have their mixed views, and that's what you hate about this game, because it's never up to you to say what you really [are] going thorugh, or what you have going on. It's always someone else's opinion."

Moss's opinion: Portis will be back next year. "When it comes down to his situation, health is more important than anything," Moss said. "He'll get his time to rest, and I'm sure, if everything goes well, he'll be badder than ever next year."

Portis acknowledged on ESPN980 earlier this week that his career might be over. But Moss believes that the challenge presented by those who doubt him could serve as a motivator to Portis.

"Knowing the competitor in him, if Clinton [is] ready to go, he's going to be ready to go," Moss said. "He loves the challenge. I remember last year, when they start talking about different things last year with him about the year before, and you see what he did out there [in 2008, when he ran for 1,487 yards].

"If you look at it, Clinton never had the line that he had back in Denver. That's not saying nothing against our line; it's just it's a different kind of league over here. The lines over here [have] been pretty good, but when it comes to what he had in Denver, man, you would pay for that. He's been grinding it out. He had to gain weight to be able to take on the load. He had to do a lot of different things that he wasn't accustomed to doing, and is still one of the greatest backs of this time. I always get caught up in it. I'll stand up for him."

By Barry Svrluga  |  December 10, 2009; 2:29 PM ET
 
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Meh.

Methinks Clinton's give-a-damn is busted.

Wouldn't be the worst thing if he retired.

Bring on the Spiller era.

Or, just more Ganther and Betts behind Okung, Dock, Edwin, BMW, and Baluga.

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 10, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Another movie quote, appropriate for a Pre-Game Motivational Speach..

Most effective when given the George C. Scott delivery:

Patton: "Now there's another thing I want you to remember. I don't want to get any messages saying that "we are holding our position." We're not holding anything. Let the (other team) do that. We are advancing constantly and we're not interested in holding onto anything except the enemy. We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ass. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're going to go through him like crap through a goose!"

Posted by: TheCork | December 10, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

"1st pick, get Rolando McClain from Alabama"


Well, if Oher or Loadholdt had been taken last year, a stud linebacker like McClain would be the proper choice this year.

McClain is the classic big middle linebacker--think Patrick Willis/Brian Urlacher, y'all-- who can run sideline to sideline and cover the field.

McClain shut down Tebow by himself.

Thing is, with B Spikes in the mix, the question will be which big time SEC 'backer goes first.

In any event, neither should be drafted by the skins.

We got our 'backer last year.

And we need a lineman this year.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 10, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Or, just more Ganther and Betts behind Okung, Dock, Edwin, BMW, and Baluga.

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 10, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I could live with this. We know there will be another running back in 2011 or maybe Evan Royster falls to the 4th. Running backs can come in and be effective right away. Offensvie linemen need time to gel. Get the linemen now.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 10, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what would happen if Casey Rabach lamented all the drops our WRs have had over the past few years. I seem to remember a Green Bay game...

Posted by: mack1 | December 10, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

True Santana. You haven't really done d*ck this year and no one is calling for your head.

Posted by: gixxer998 | December 10, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins have a half dozen strong safeties and no free safeties. Vinny's solution? Make the best strong safety play free safety.
Posted by: TheCork | December 10, 2009 2:35 PM

Problem is that LL is our best FS & SS, yet he still lacks every fundamental ever taught.

I say move him to SS and play Reed at the FS. Reed is the exact opposite when it comes to being fundamentally sound and this would eliminate the game killing big plays.


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 10, 2009 2:48 PM

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 10, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

"But Moss believes that the challenge presented by those who doubt him could serve as a motivator to Portis."

Someone tell Mr. Portis the other guys on the roster are more interested in winning as a group than him proving something about his greatness on his own.

After all, self-gratification is never pleasuring.

That's why it makes you blind.

And Portis can't see now.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 10, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for pulling Reid off a portis article. Just run the quotes and keep it movin. I agree with santana. With Devin gaining notice after last week, Santana should make some noise out west.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 10, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Free safety is the thinking man's position. LL is no thinking man.

Posted by: shanteefamilee | December 10, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

We love ya' CP...but please retire. Moss...stop cryin'..you get paid millions to play a game. I think you can absorb the "talk" people give ya'.

Posted by: Smiley2 | December 10, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I didn't get to post on the LL30 thread but have thoughts on it. Correct me if I'm wrong but LL has been playing FS now for over two full seasons now (approximately 33 games), how long does it? Obviously too long, if he doesn't have it by now he's not gonna have it. I understand he's our best athlete and all that but he doesn't have the make up for the position. The coaches are retarded for continually putting him back there. Instead of having a dominant pro bowl caliber Strong Safety and an average or slightly below average Free Safety (Moore or Smoot) we end up with an average strong safety in Doughty and a below average free safety in LL30. They are taking a strength and creating a weakness by misusing it. It drives me bonkers.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 10, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what would happen if Casey Rabach lamented all the drops our WRs have had over the past few years. I seem to remember a Green Bay game...

Posted by: mack1 | December 10, 2009 2:48 PM
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Yeah, you never heard one offensive lineman commenting when CP was sucking oxygen on the sideline and skipping out on practices.

I'd welcome CP back if he got his act together in the offseason. That means getting his bone spurs fixed. That means recovering fully from his concussion. That means putting in the full offseason workout regimen. That means practicing every practice in the preseason. If he doesn't want to come back under those terms (and the next head coach should demand those terms), then adios.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 10, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

I'd welcome CP back if he got his act together in the offseason. That means getting his bone spurs fixed. That means recovering fully from his concussion. That means putting in the full offseason workout regimen. That means practicing every practice in the preseason. If he doesn't want to come back under those terms (and the next head coach should demand those terms), then adios.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 10, 2009 2:56 PM

Ditto....what he said....agreed, etc

Posted by: dlhaze1 | December 10, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

"But you look at what we had this year. What do you expect? What do you expect from a running back to be going through what we [are] going through season-wise, and not getting the carries that he's normally getting to get himself going? You can't do nothing".

This quote in part, probably explains why CP decided to mail the rest of season in.

He convinced himself and evidently, Tana, that he is still good enough. He got a bad deal with a weak O Line and not enough touches. Right.....

Posted by: ksquare | December 10, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

i hope portis gets the bone spurs taken care of and comes into camp at a cut up 205. id like to see how he looks when hes lighter. if ganther plays ok, he can take on the role of the bruising rb.

Posted by: brian58 | December 10, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

It takes a while to become a good free safety. ST21 took 4 years to become the beast he was. But he worked at it.

Thing is, I don't get a sense that Landry is willing to do the work to become a good free safety.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 10, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Thing is, I don't get a sense that Landry is willing to do the work to become a good free safety.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 10, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

he doesn't even want to try, after blowing the game on Sunday he tried to defend his decision and said he'd do it again, that's how big an idiot the guy is. Put him the box and let him slam into people 30 times a game, that's all he wants to do anyway....

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 10, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

[Yawn]

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 10, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

After all, self-gratification is never pleasuring.


Posted by: MistaMoe | December 10, 2009 2:52 PM

I'm thinking you're not doing it right, Moe. They wouldn't call it self-gratification if it weren't gratifying. You're probably engaging in self-abuse. Cut it out.

Posted by: League-Source | December 10, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

LL30 is no ST21. ST didn't whiff on kill shots or get beat deep.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 10, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Santana you forgot to mention the opinions are from people that don't know s hit about playing professional f ball

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 10, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Love it when guys like Moss and Portis call out their own teammates (o-line) for sucking. Like someone up here already said, don't see others saying anything about them. Weird...

Posted by: mattylight | December 10, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I think the majority of Skins fans just want a slew of new guys. Tired of these washed up Miami donks. I think we need a new philosphy of hard work and practice instead of I make money I gotta play. Out with the old in with the new.

Posted by: FedorEm | December 10, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Love it when guys like Moss and Portis call out their own teammates (o-line) for sucking. Like someone up here already said, don't see others saying anything about them. Weird...

Posted by: mattylight | December 10, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

WR's and RB's production depends a lot on the play of the o-line.

On the other hand, the o-line has no one to blame but themselves when they don't do their jobs.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 10, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Paraphrasing Moss-
‘So Moss compliments the Denver OL and then says no offense to ours, but that's one you'd pay to play behind.’

I'd like to compliment the Denver WRs and say that if Portis had some WRs that could block like a Rod Smith, no offense to ours, that would be something you'd also pay to have.

mack1- I also remember the Green Bay game.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 10, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

It drives me bonkers.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 10, 2009 2:55 PM

Don't blame that on Landry. You were already bonkers when LSU was still trying to recruit Landry.

Posted by: League-Source | December 10, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins have a half dozen strong safeties and no free safeties. Vinny's solution? Make the best strong safety play free safety.
Posted by: TheCork | December 10, 2009 2:35 PM

Problem is that LL is our best FS & SS, yet he still lacks every fundamental ever taught.

I say move him to SS and play Reed at the FS. Reed is the exact opposite when it comes to being fundamentally sound and this would eliminate the game killing big plays.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 10, 2009 2:51 PM
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Doughty is not a free safety. He is a step slow. I remember him playing some free safety in his first year and it got ugly. As far as the guys they have on the roster, Smoot is the only one who has shown he can play it and I wouldn't call Smoot the best tackler. I'm warming up to the idea of gradually working Carlos Rogers into that spot for the rest of the season. If he pans out, then maybe he's worth keeping around, and if he doesn't, it didn't cost them a thing.

If the Redskins get a new defensive coordinator next year who brings in a new defense, the less athletic safeties might be in trouble. In Blache's scheme, he uses the strong safety as sort of a hybrid safety/linebacker which works for guys like Doughty and Horton. They might not be able to make the transition if someone brings in a two-deep zone defense or some other defense where the safeties are used interchangably.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 10, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

league_source

"I'm thinking you're not doing it right...They wouldn't call it self-gratification if it weren't gratifying...Cut it out."

Thanks.

I knew someone out there would stop me from taking matters into my own hand.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 10, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I knew someone out there would stop me from taking matters into my own hand.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 10, 2009 3:28 PM

Ask your wife, or a close friend, for a hand out. Or, a helping hand.

Posted by: League-Source | December 10, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

LL30 is no ST21. ST didn't whiff on kill shots or get beat deep.

Posted by: iH8dallas

I have all the respect in the world for Sean Taylor. Favorite football player of all-time....

Sean Taylor not only whiffed on tackles earlier in his career, but he also got beat deep a few times. Although Gregg Williams later admitted that he had been misusing him, so maybe one had to do with the other.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 10, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 10, 2009 3:25 PM

There is only four games left and the solution to FS isn't currently on the roster.

Agreed that 37 is slow, but with the right fundamentals and positioning, it would be difficult for him to be worse than LL.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 10, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

fedorem

"I think the majority of Skins fans just want a slew of new guys."

I agree.

The shelf life of an NFL player is around 4 years.

We got guys who were rookies sometime around the start of Iraq War 2.0 in 2003.

Many have lived well past the years they were stars and are getting by on name recognition alone.

They are like the celebrities or rappers who don't make hits, but show up expecting props and attention.

Let's get young and fast and athletic.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 10, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Ship 26, draft a big back with speed.

Posted by: hbu_dog | December 10, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

PortisPockets,

Not my point. My point is these guys should shut up and not diss guys publicly. That's all I was saying. Our o-line isn't great, obviously, but I get irritated when guys take backhanded shots at their own teammates to reporters.

Posted by: mattylight | December 10, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"If you look at it, Clinton never had the line that he had back in Denver. That's not saying nothing against our line; it's just it's a different kind of league over here. The lines over here [have] been pretty good, but when it comes to what he had in Denver, man, you would pay for that. He's been grinding it out. He had to gain weight to be able to take on the load. He had to do a lot of different things that he wasn't accustomed to doing, and is still one of the greatest backs of this time. I always get caught up in it. I'll stand up for him."

That's what Moss said. Agree with mattylight that this is out of line, not to mention pure BS when he says "man, you would pay for that." In fact, Portis not only didn't "pay for it" he asked to be traded so that he could get paid.

Posted by: League-Source | December 10, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 10, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Of course Portis is coming back next year. He is due more than 7.5 mil GUARANTEED, and for that kind of coin, there's no way that he would retire unless the symptoms of his concussion do not subside, which they almost certainly wiil since this is allegedly his first and the effects of the first are usually temporary. Moreover, there's no way that the 'Skins will pay him 7.5 mil plus to do nothing, so they won't cut him. So, folks, meet your 2010 starting RB, the same as your 2009 starting RB, no. 26 in your program but no. ? in your heart, Clinton Portis. The best we can hope for is that the team acquire a speedy, "homerun hitter" type of back in the off-season and go to a "running back by committee" set-up.

Posted by: rbpalmer | December 10, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Moss shouldn't be dissing the O-Line in public or in the locker room. Everyone who has seen the Reskins play knows that the O-Line has been in serious decline before this year. It started in 2007 and got worse in the 2nd half of last year. I agree it has probably taken a couple of years off of CP's career and he would have likely had better #'s playing behind a stud line like they have in Minnesota.

Bottom line is that both Moss and CP have seen there better days. Santana will likely have to accept being a top #2 receiver assuming Thomas continues to develop this year and next offseason. CP is done and it's not just because of his concussion. He's got too much mileage and too many hits on his legs over the last 8 years to be the prime back for anyone.

Posted by: wizfan89 | December 10, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

people are stupid portis is one of the best backs in redskin history can he have a bad year yes everyone does dont blame it on him he might of had some part of it but the line and also the play calling had alot to do with it next year if he aint doing nothing lets talk about it then

Posted by: croniccured | December 10, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Ladell Betts was doing pretty good with our sh*tty O-line, whats the next excuse? Moss you my boy, but Portis needs to practice harder, trying to put it on Sellers and " missed assignments" lmao then again Betts did pretty good with Sellers blocking for him

Posted by: Istudydrugs | December 10, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Not that Moss is done a whole lot this year (but he has won us a few games in the past) yet still I find it amazing that we are willing to give DT gary Clark status after ONE productive game in over two years. If he gets 8 more games like that then he will have come close to Albert Connel and Calvin Mohammed who are forgotten guys here. Yes, I liked what I saw last week from him. Then again, I liked what I saw out of Albert Connell that year b/c he was on my fantasy team.

Cutting moss on the basis of comments is absurd. Releasing Portis when we have no idea how well he might recuperate in terms of speed and conditioning is even more absurd given the cap hit. If he times slow at minicamp or training camp, release him then....but it is not a concern at this point. Edwin Williams not available for the Oakland game - thats a concern right now.

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | December 10, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

ahhh yes Albert Connell + Michael Westbrook era +S.Davis+ Brad Johnson Era loved it, I also loved the double moves (No pun intended..maybe a slight one) Westbrook + AC ran off the play fakes

Posted by: Istudydrugs | December 10, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

i don't really agree w/ moss primarily because portis pretty killed own productivity by not practicing w/ the line. it's not magic that we saw better results from betts and cartwright. the truth is, portis didn't understand the tendencies of the o line and the o line didn't understand his. you don't perform on dancing with the stars w/o spending a week practicing w/ your partner and getting a feel for how they move and letting them get used to how you move. there needed to be cohesion between portis and the line. portis at times looked hesitant and didn't hit the holes like w/ urgency and that resulted in short yardage gains or loss of yardage plays. by the same token, now that he's heavier, running him east/west is just poor playcalling. portis needs to be running between the tackles north/south where he works best. our linemen don't cut block like the smaller denver linemen do so sweeping runs aren't portis' thing any longer. also, i've seen several times where portis didn't follow sellers' run blocking and that was a problem. there were times sellers wouldn't engage his man well but there's a reason a fullback is in from of him. if portis goes to another team next season, he won't have a choice but to practice because he won't have snyder to protect him any longer. i'm still a fan of portis but i'm more of a fan of a running back that'll put the team first and practice w/ the team.

Posted by: charronegro1971 | December 11, 2009 3:23 AM | Report abuse

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