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Moss, Thomas Hamstrung at Practice

Wide receiver Santana Moss had a light afternoon practice after tweaking his hamstring earlier in the day. Coach Jim Zorn said Moss experienced some pain running on the wet field and diving for a pass. While it's not enough of a problem to worry Zorn, it did earn Moss an easier afternoon.

"It's all right," is how Moss characterized the injury.

At least one other wide receiver is not feeling quite as good. After missing two days of practice, Devin Thomas was back in pads Thursday morning -- but not Thursday afternoon.

Thomas came up hobbling after a reception, aggravating a hamstring injury that held him out of games last year and has slowed him some days of this year's training camp. Zorn stressed that Thomas hasn't pulled a muscle and that resting him in the afternoon was a precautionary measure.

Still, Thomas said it's unlikely he'll be ready for action in Saturday's scrimmage.

"I'm trying to deal with it before it becomes a problem," said Thomas, who finished the morning practice with his leg wrapped.

Thomas said that though he wishes he was going full-speed at practice, he is comfortable with the playbook.

"I don't know if it's a setback," Zorn said of injuries to his younger players, "but it is a learning situation for these guys when they're feeling pain. They got to know the difference between injury and just being sore. That's something they're working on and we talk about that a lot. But, you have to listen to our trainers, and you have to listen to your own body because they sort of speak to you verbally and non-verbally, and you just got to deal with it."

As for other injuries, Zorn said he thinks Stephon Heyer and Randy Thomas, both nursing aching knees, are close to returning. The coach still isn't sure of when cornerback Carlos Rogers will be available.

"I'm not alarmed," Zorn said of Rogers, "and I'm not panicking or anything like that. . . . He's coming along slowly. It was more of a significant pull than a slight strain."

By Rick Maese  |  August 6, 2009; 5:23 PM ET
 
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Comments

RIP John Hughes.

Posted by: Original_etrod | August 6, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

The season has not yet begun and the hamstring problems are already a problem. 5 wins at best and this will be Zorn's last year.

Posted by: richie_sheppard | August 6, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

doom and gloom, rabble rabble rabble, doom and gloom

Posted by: nag1055 | August 6, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Somebody needs to seriously check out the warm up routine... Whatever they are doing just aint cuttin it.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 6, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

What do these trainers get paid for if not to prevent injury? If the guys are not hydrated enough, if they don't stretch enough, if they are not taking in the right minerals - then isn't it on the trainers? It seems like every season there are more hamstring injuries in the Redskins' camp than anywhere else in the league. What's up with that?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 6, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I gotta think the trainers are not teaching these guys how to properly stretch their hamstrings before practice... Or how to keep the muscles from tightening up when they are in between reps. Sometimes even trainers don't really know the right way to stretch and warm up.

Posted by: Wemiss21 | August 6, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

""I don't know if it's a setback," Zorn said of injuries to his younger players, "but it is a learning situation for these guys when they're feeling pain. They got to know the difference between injury and just being sore. That's something they're working on and we talk about that a lot..."

That is troublesome....

Posted by: chrislarry | August 6, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Do the names Michael Westbrook, Rod Gardner, or Desmond Howard mean anything to you? On paper they had all the right stuff to be Pro Bowlers, but on the field . . . . Now tell me how long the Skins need to be patient and baby Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly.

Posted by: MrMerkin | August 6, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

From RI: "As a rookie last season, Rinehart struggled in the preseason and lost his confidence." Riddle me this - how does a OL slobberknockerer whose main job is to push peeps out of the way have a confidence prolem? I can sort of understand something like this might happen to an artiste, say a pitcher such as Dontrelle Willis, who loses command of his magical powers. But an OL grunt? Sheesh.

Posted by: TubularBells | August 6, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

It seems like every season there are more hamstring injuries in the Redskins' camp than anywhere else in the league. What's up with that?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 6, 2009 5:59 PM

Would you consider the possibility that it only SEEMS that way because you follow the Redskins closely but don't follow the other 31 teams in the league? No one reports data on this so maybe there are actually FEWER hamstrings injuries in Ashburn.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 6, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

The season has not yet begun and the hamstring problems are already a problem. 5 wins at best and this will be Zorn's last year.

Posted by: richie_sheppard | August 6, 2009 5:45 PM

Zorn did not pull those hamstrings.

Posted by: abxinc | August 6, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

HWy is it taht the Redskins are the only team in the NFL that has all BS Hamstring Injuries? Is it the training staff or is it the coaches do not demand enough of the players and let them slip by with tweaks? What the hellis a tweak anyway.

There is a coach in a certain town in South Florida taht does not allow injuries like this and look at what kind of season he had last year. His team was what 2-14 in 07 the Redskins went to the playoffs in 07.

Its time for the Redskins to practice and quit whining and complaining about tweaks...

Man up or go home

Posted by: twarren1 | August 6, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Never post with frustration or you will not spell any words correctly...

Posted by: twarren1 | August 6, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Ridiculous!! This lack of stretching was a problem last year. Press "Jettison Trainers" button, before the pulling/straining/spraining/tearing/breaking virus spreads!! Or GET IT TOGETHER!!

Posted by: frak | August 6, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

"But, you have to listen to our trainers, and you have to listen to your own body because they sort of speak to you verbally and non-verbally, and you just got to deal with it." My dick tells me he's horny. My stomach tells me he is empty. My sphincter tells me he can't backstop my colon much longer and ... . Shut the f*ck up already!

Posted by: TubularBells | August 6, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

alright haters you going to cut Moss now too. Would you have cut Gary Clark back in the day too? Cut everyone who pulls a hammy you tards

Posted by: pabrian2003 | August 6, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

What kind of food are they being given?? The glycemic index should be followed- low sugar diets, as insulin levels are a factor in cramping, swelling and muscle pulls..Ask any diabetic!!

Posted by: frak | August 6, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Do the names Michael Westbrook, Rod Gardner, or Desmond Howard mean anything to you? On paper they had all the right stuff to be Pro Bowlers, but on the field . . . . Now tell me how long the Skins need to be patient and baby Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly.

Posted by: MrMerkin | August 6, 2009 6:06 PM |

At least long enough to see if they can play duiring the regular season. This is the same crap we ghet every year and the same crap is posted on here every year. Give it a rest and wait for the season to actually start. I challenge anyone to find a team out there that doesn't have hamstring/calf/knee/sore muscle problems at this point. I know this stuff is getting old for you too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 6, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

has anyone who has been complaining about all of the hamstrings played any sports? players today are bigger and stronger than in years past. anyone here 6' 4" and 250 or bigger. How does your legs feel carrying all that weight running twice a day for 4 hours

Posted by: mudman220 | August 6, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I just dont understand why other teams in the NFL dont have all the Tweaks the Redskins have year after year. I call BS on some of them, they are just trying to get out of Camp..

They should send a message, cut one of these so called pass catchers who keeps tweaking things to send a message to the team.

Parcells always said "I have to see something from the player" he cant see anything when the player is on the sideline with a tweak...

Cut Thomas now, and send the message to the rest of them.

Posted by: twarren1 | August 6, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

for the third time today i would like to mention Gary Clark's chronic hammy pulls under an outstanding training staff led by bubba tyer. No one has missed a snap yet so be cool

Posted by: pabrian2003 | August 6, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Patriots acquire Derrick Burgess
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 6, 2009 5:48 PM ET
After an offseason worth of rumors indicating a deal might happen, the Patriots acquired Derrick Burgess from the Raiders Thursday. (In a sign of the times, they announced it via their Twitter feed.)

New England will give up "undisclosed draft considerations" in the move. Oakland was believed to be looking for two mid-round picks in the deal, but it's unclear if they got them.

Burgess is expected to convert to outside linebacker in New England, where the team is in need of a pass rusher.

The Patriots defense is rather young at other positions, but their linebacker crew is very experienced with Adalius Thomas, Tedy Bruschi, and Burgess to go with Jerod Mayo. Expect linebacker Pierre Woods to come off the bench now.

Burgess will be able to commiserate about the bad old times with fellow former Raiders Randy Moss and Andrew Walter.

UPDATE: Michael Lombardi reports that the Patriots gave up their third and fifth round picks in 2011 in the deal. Seems fair for both sides. Adam Schefter points out the Eagles were offering a third-round pick and a player.

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 6, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

it'd be the normal bumps, bruises and strains -- except its the same guys struggling with the same injuries that hurt their performance last year.

Moss's hammy
D. Thomas's hammy
Albert's knee
Kelly's knees

Plus R Thomas, Heyer, Rogers are all guys who've lost a fair bit of time to injuries -- and here they are again.

I'm sure some the time off is precautionary. I suspect the anxiety is that we've seen this movie before -- and no one seems to like the ending.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 6, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

twarren what message would that send, "we're idiots and cut people who miss practices due to injury"? That's stupid! If we did cut him I'd b willing to bey he'd be a giant, eagle or cowboy within a week

Posted by: pabrian2003 | August 6, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

twarren what message would that send, "we're idiots and cut people who miss practices due to injury"? That's stupid! If we did cut him I'd b willing to bey he'd be a giant, eagle or cowboy within a week

Posted by: pabrian2003

The jints iggles and girlz have watched film on him. They wouldn't be calling ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 6, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

"If we did cut (Kelly, Thomas) I'd be willing to bet they'd be an eagle within a week.."

And with Jaqua Parker's help, get the team bong and learn why the iggles are called the 'green team' before the first exhibition game.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 6, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I love Cromartie, though- "WHAT THE HELL IS THIS SH*T!?!? NO WONDER WE CAN NEVER WIN A SUPER BOWL!!!"

Posted by: frak | August 6, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Cut Thomas now, and send the message to the rest of them.
Posted by: twarren1 | August 6, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse
________________________________________

LOL... come on it's only week 1.

I just don't know why Redskins in general always seem to have these issues... Moss has been plagued by these his whole career... I mean these guys are incredible athletes who have been doing this since high school. They consistently workout & run. The only thing we should be worried about are contact injuries, but not the case.

Maybe cause I'm white & slow, I'll never understand.

Posted by: tony325 | August 6, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm sick of this same old movie, same old broken record, whatever you want to call it.

Tweaks, pulls, hamstrings, sore calfs, I mean dam, this is every year, and like some of you other posters have said, usually the same people. Can anybody on this team practice and make it through without getting hurt/injured? These are some of the most delicate MF's I have ever seen.

D.Thomas and Kelley as of right now they're a joke. You wonder how these guys will ever get through a 16 game season, get on the field and make some dam plays in some real games.

Yes it's still early, we haven't played a preaseason game yet, I'm trying to remain optimisticbut, this s&*t is getting old.

Posted by: 72Redskins | August 6, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

"...What kind of food are they being given??"


Given their 'soft and wet' practice habits, I understand they've been slurping on a protein based substance dispensed from an odd-shaped container.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 6, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Off to a gallery opening, featuring the GF's pics.

http://www.pbase.com/faerie_39/image/67979760
http://www.pbase.com/faerie_39/image/56923505
http://www.pbase.com/faerie_39/image/94935862

OK -- so its her company's gallery, but still, its nice work.

And I helped. When she said "hand me the camera", I handed her the camera. All 3 times :)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 6, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

i am generally in the "its early in camp, cramps/pulls/aches are to be expected" club....

butt i think if you read zorn's quote about MK/DT he is calling them out a bit, suggesting they don't know the "norm" pain that a pro football player plays with.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 6, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Just Google "hamstring", "NFL" and "player" and you'll see these damn hamstring injuries are common leaguewide.

Posted by: Gfunk | August 6, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Now, somebody with the metabolism of a hummingbird, like Darrell Green, could eat Baby Ruth bars all day long, but you dudes gotta KEEP MOVIN', KEEP MOVIN', like running around the track when you sprain your ankle, keep movin', keep movin'..

Posted by: frak | August 6, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Here we go again; someone in China broke wind & now Devin Thomas has a pulled hammy again! Either the training staff needs to be fired or Vinny needs to earn how to draft some players w/ some guts!!!!!!!

Posted by: skinhead62 | August 6, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Keep movin', keep movin'!!

://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC4M4eQlz5I

Posted by: frak | August 6, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Devin's body is covered with tats, he can take it..

Posted by: frak | August 6, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

What's up with these young, yet to produce wide receivers?

Check this out:

"Former Texas Tech wide receiver Michael Crabtree is prepared to skip the 2009 NFL season, his adviser, David Wells, told ESPN.com Thursday."

Someone should tell Mr. Crabtree that his 'advisor' works for him, not the other way around.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 6, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Here we go again; someone in China broke wind & now Devin Thomas has a pulled hammy again! Either the training staff needs to be fired or Vinny needs to earn how to draft some players w/ some guts!!!!!!!

Posted by: skinhead62 |

Or perhaps they could just readjust the diet of the Chinese dude.

Posted by: TheCork | August 6, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

I will just repeat myself again, for the life of me I can not understand sitting guys down that need work. They obviously need work since neither of these two guys contributed anything last year, now they sit their sorry as..s on the sideline and let players who are not going to make the team anyways practice.

Redksins show some guts and send a message to the rest of the team...

To earn a spot on the Roster you must prove yourself.

Posted by: twarren1 | August 6, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1 : them pics is wicked. The Ma remains the greatest artist..You got some frequent flyer miles, dawg..

Posted by: frak | August 6, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Ridiculous!! This lack of stretching was a problem last year. Press "Jettison Trainers" button, before the pulling/straining/spraining/tearing/breaking virus spreads!! Or GET IT TOGETHER!!
----------------
frak, I hear ya, but... Last I heard Bubba was still running the show, and I'd hate to be the one to recommend he retire.

However-I've had some interactions with his training staff and players over the last couple years and he has an old-old-school approach to stretching: Go as hard as you can and hold it for 30-60 seconds. Modern techniques show that ain't the way it works:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/02/sports/playmagazine/112pewarm.html

This isn't the whole story, but it's a step in the right direction.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 6, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

z

The photos bring out the art snob in me.

They are excellent in every way.

You should hand her the camera more oftern.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 6, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

They obviously need work since neither of these two guys contributed anything last year, now they sit their sorry as..s on the sideline and let players who are not going to make the team anyways practice.

Redksins show some guts and send a message to the rest of the team...

To earn a spot on the Roster you must prove yourself.

Posted by: twarren1
----------------

Why don't you go fall on a sword?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 6, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Zcest1,

Those are some seriously pro quality pics! I second the handing over of the camera, check. Using of the camera...check.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 6, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Just a quick note since everyone is talking about injuries. Lokking at the Boys injuries at camp they have 3 unable to practice (1 hammy and 2 with knee problems), couldn't find much on the Giants, except they have 2 lineman on PUP list and then Philly:
Left tackle Jason Peters, the Eagles' prize acquisition of the off-season, spent practice working with trainer Rick Burkholder and a contingent of other injured teammates. That group included cornerback Asante Samuel, who had a hamstring spasm during yesterday morning's conditioning test, and defensive tackle Trevor Laws, who arrived at camp with a sore hamstring.

Right tackle Shawn Andrews, meanwhile, didn't even make it to the practice field after his surgically repaired back tightened up on him during a team meeting following the conditioning run.

And we know about the Linebacker. So it isn't just us that has problems as camp begins.

Posted by: jandlml | August 6, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Romo,

Thanks for posting that. I'm glad to see someone up here is doing some research.

I note that the article has stuff like "researchers increasingly believe..." rather than "researchers have established that..." From the stuff I looked at it seems to me that no one really KNOWS. It's a matter of faith.

One thing I haven't found is any evidence that the Redskins have these problems more than any other team. Do you guys who are beating on the trainers have evidence that the Redskins are doing worse than, say, Philadelphia, Oakland, Atlanta, Cincinnati, ...?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 6, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Stretching should be fluid like tai-chi, leading up to the tight moment of an NFL play, in increments..

Posted by: frak | August 6, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

twarren - because they are injured you knuckle head. you want to run a guy into the ground before the pre-season even starts?

this isn't rocket surgery man

Posted by: pabrian2003 | August 6, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Stretching should be fluid like tai-chi, leading up to the tight moment of an NFL play, in increments..

Posted by: frak | August 6, 2009 8:21 PM

And this advise is based on what, frak? The small percentage of serious tai chi athletes with serious hammie problems?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 6, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Actually going through the plays at 1/4 speed, 1/2 speed, 3/4 speed before full speed might be as solid as anything. But, gotta keep movin'..

Posted by: frak | August 6, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Dammitall, t_e.

What are you, some kind of RI rookie?

We don't need no steenkin' evidence.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | August 6, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

, Granted, TE,the explosive short burst muscle action might not be compatible with certain yogas/stretching, for young ballas. Probably just running the plays, even when sproinged, is as good as possible, even at half speed..I'm no expert, but something ain't workin', thats fer sure..

Posted by: frak | August 6, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

The jints iggles and girlz have watched film on him. They wouldn't be calling ...

Posted by: zcezcest1

where did they get the film? from michigan state?

they would sign him just to spite us and he would be good just to spite us

Posted by: pabrian2003 | August 6, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

T_E,

Very observant. You're no doubt noticing that not a lot of definitive (published) research hasn't been performed yet.

More studies are in the works, and preliminary results range from very promising to mixed. Most of our current knowledge of stretching and its effect on athletic performance is purely anecdotal:

http://www.stretchingusa.com/

Forgive the grammar here, the guy's a master kinesiologist, not an English major. But his resume is impeccable. Current studies such as U of Las Vegas link in article cited support some of the foundations of his claims.

BTW, Walter Payton bought into this technique and never missed a pro game, even though he had a minor arthroscopic knee procedure after a Sunday game.

Note the testimonial from Mike Utley, formerly of the Detroit Lions. Sorry for the long wind here...


Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 6, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

i can only pray that my skins go 5-11, and numb nutz zern gets fired,with cerratzo the next to go.it will be a huge party when that day comes.

Posted by: DLESMonday | August 6, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

You're no doubt noticing that not a lot of definitive (published) research hasn't been performed yet.

Should read "not a lot of...HAS been performed yet...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 6, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

You're no doubt noticing that not a lot of definitive (published) research hasn't been performed yet.

Should read "not a lot of...HAS been performed yet...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 6, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Just Google "hamstring", "NFL" and "player" and you'll see these damn hamstring injuries are common leaguewide.

Posted by: Gfunk |

thank you gFunk, do you idiots see this

Posted by: pabrian2003 | August 6, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

damn you double post!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 6, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Smith is going into the HOF this weekend.

Once upon a time, he was a redskin.

Raise your hand if any of this matters.....

.....I thought so.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 6, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Just Google "hamstring", "NFL" and "player" and you'll see these damn hamstring injuries are common leaguewide.

Posted by: Gfunk |

thank you gFunk, do you idiots see this

Posted by: pabrian2003

I guess its like 9-11, some idiots don't see that it was an inside job...But, we're all impatient with the offense, WHERE'S THE POINTS, WHERE'S THE NUMBERS??? MORE HAMSTRINGS AND INJURIES??? GRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!

Posted by: frak | August 6, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Watching the original "Batman" movie and two things have stood out thus far:

1). Harvey Dent is a black man.(Man it's been awhile since I scene this film, seeing how I didn't remember that)

2). Jack Nicholson is definitely one of my favorite actors.

Posted by: Vicc | August 6, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Hearsay, but remember when the Yankees pitching staff had the hamstring problems a year or two ago? The trainer was fired, his replacement held firm with some of these newer techniques and the hamstring problems disappeared.

One can only hope, but love you, Bubba!

Too lazy for references, sorry TE

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 6, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I guess its like 9-11, some idiots don't see that it was an inside job...But, we're all impatient with the offense, WHERE'S THE POINTS, WHERE'S THE NUMBERS??? MORE HAMSTRINGS AND INJURIES??? GRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!

Posted by: frak

??

you don't get more points by cutting guy's with hamstring strains

Posted by: pabrian2003 | August 6, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

you don't get more points by cutting guy's with hamstring strains

Posted by: pabrian2003

You're the one cutting hamstrings? You a bad, bad man! Tricksy Dallas fans...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 6, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

i can only pray that my skins go 5-11, and numb nutz zern gets fired,with cerratzo the next to go.it will be a huge party when that day comes.

Posted by: DLESMonday | August 6, 2009 8:47 PM

Only a Cowboys fan is "praying" that the 'Skins will go 5-11. What a hater.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 6, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

"Jack Nicholson is definitely one of my favorite actors."

Best Nicholson film

pick'em


Easy Rider
Batman
Chinatown
Carnal Knowledge
The Shining
Hoffa
The Bucket List
The Departed
A Few Good Men
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
About Schimdt


Moe picks The Departed as he has a weakness for gangster movies, good or bad.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 6, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Smith is going into the HOF this weekend.

Once upon a time, he was a redskin.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 6, 2009 8:50 PM

Did he ever miss a day of practice with a hamstring pull?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 6, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Maybe all the wr injuries forces Zorn to use more 2 TE sets? Fred Davis should be used more this year.

Posted by: coparker5 | August 6, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Moe,

I pick One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest. Great book, incredible movie.

Was Nicholson also in "Dr. Hamstring"?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 6, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Gotta go with Departed, Moe. However, it has occurred to me that his role there is built upon the mystique or intrigue, or reputation (maybe) that has been built over his illustrious career. Whatever, it was just cool to see him in that role, ham that he is.

"here's to the first of the day, fellas"

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 6, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Did he ever miss a day of practice with a hamstring pull?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 6, 2009 9:15 PM

I don't know but he sure missed a lot of tackles and sacks with old age and suckiness.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 6, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

goin against the grain here, but "The Shining" was poo-poo.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 6, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

you don't get more points by cutting guy's with hamstring strains

Posted by: pabrian2003

You're the one cutting hamstrings? You a bad, bad man! Tricksy Dallas fans...

Posted by: RomoLongballs

what's with the user name, should change it to Romo ballsOnChin

Posted by: pabrian2003 | August 6, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

"Gotta go with Departed, Moe. However, it has occurred to me that his role there is built upon the mystique or intrigue,..."

True.

That's why his work in The Shining stands out.

That movie creeps me out so bad, I pull my hamstring while running away from the dvd player.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 6, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

You should thank Pfunk for that, I'm a Dallas-hatin pirate! Yarrrrr!

And were I Romo himself, I would welcome the balls on chin, thanks.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 6, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know if there are any black punters in the NFL ?

Posted by: whitepeopleareafraidtotalkaboutracialissues | August 6, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

I love horror flicks, and the Shining was awesome.

But I'll go with Chinatown.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | August 6, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

pabrian2003,

"Tricksy Dallas fans..."

Sorry for the insult, BTW

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 6, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

That's why his work in The Shining stands out.

That movie creeps me out so bad, I pull my hamstring while running away from the dvd player.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 6, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Yessir,

Very creepy movie and that "Olive Oyl" chik doesn't help.

Posted by: Vicc | August 6, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Moe: Carnal Knowledge

TE: Re cooko'nest...we agree on something for the first time in weeks!


kesey rulz
daniel steele droolz

Posted by: chrislarry | August 6, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

So, you guys just shut people down whenever you feel like?? I'm plenty sick of censorship..

Posted by: frak | August 6, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm plenty sick of censorship..

Posted by: frak | August 6, 2009 9:36 PM

Stick around. You'll learn to love it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 6, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

frak

"...I'm plenty sick of censorship..."

I hate censorship as much as I hate freedom of speech.

Thing is, you have to have one to complain about the other.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 6, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

That movie creeps me out so bad, I pull my hamstring while running away from the dvd player.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Sorry, can't get over the female lead--too, well, 70's to take seriously. Jack was great, clearly.

Aside-
"Aliens" came out in '86? I was 10. My dad showed us the flick up to the point where an entire platoon of Marines was decimated by the aliens, and there 5.5 of them left. And the creepy orphan, Newt, was like, "We should get inside. They mostly come out at night. Mostly."

That's where my Dad turned off the movie and told us to go to bed. BEFORE the aliens were killed!!

That was creepy. Gotta love my dad...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 6, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Was John Riggins the NFL's last great white running back?

Posted by: 72Redskins | August 6, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Was John Riggins the NFL's last great white running back?

Posted by: 72Redskins

Who cares? He wasn't even the...

Wait, who cares?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 6, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Anyway, censoring losahs, I'd say "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest", but because I feel a need to relay my Ken Kesey story before I check out of this dive hotel, hear me out without flipping the switch, Hickboy At The Cable/ISP/Post Station/Wherever...Catching a buzz one Sunday in Eugene, I pulled into a bar outside of the city bus terminal. I went to the far end of the bar and ordered a beer. Who should be at the end of the bar beside me but Ken Kesey his ownself?? I knew it was him cuz I partied on his Magic Bus with him parked beside a psychedelic art exhibit in SF. I smiled at him and church bells started ringing next door..I raised my beer and proclaimed, "WELP, TIME TO GO TO CHURCH!!"
and took a hearty draught..Kesey smiled and got up to leave( I'm a little too rowdy on a Sunday morning sometimes, I guess)..Goddamn if the headlines on the Eugene paper the next day dint read "Ken Kesey Is Dead"..no sh*t..He died that night..world crazy..

Posted by: frak | August 6, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Best Nicholson film

pick'em

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 6, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

As Good As It Gets. Badass in a chick flick. That's the sign of a great actor.

Posted by: Original_etrod | August 6, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

BTW, Riggins never pulled a hammy, had zero fumbles lifetime, could hold 7 footballs in one hand, never sat out of practice, and never drank an alcoholic beverage. he rushed for 3000 yards 8 times in 1 season, invented the term 'touchdown', and the term 'sack'

Posted by: pabrian2003 | August 6, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

So, you guys just shut people down whenever you feel like?? I'm plenty sick of censorship..

Posted by: frak | August 6, 2009 9:36 PM
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No it doesn't work like that.

A neighbor has to call the blog police, they send an officer around, and then someone gets shut down (if not blog-tased).

This is a civilized joint.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | August 6, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

riggins favorite nicholson film was steel magnolias

Posted by: pabrian2003 | August 6, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

A neighbor has to call the blog police, they send an officer around, and then someone gets shut down (if not blog-tased).

This is a civilized joint.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | August 6, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

...and if they ask for ID, don't insult their mamma or you'll have to have beer with the President

Posted by: Original_etrod | August 6, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975

On Bruce Smith:

"...I don't know but he sure missed a lot of tackles and sacks with old age and suckiness..."


What I hate is that Deon Sanders, Smith used the team like it was a roll of toilet and he had the sh!tz.

But here's a trivia question: Name the present redskins defensive players who played with Smith.

Answer: Fred Smoot, Renaldo Wynn, 2002 team

Yes: them dudes are that old.

Notable names from that defense:

Jesse Armstead
Jeremiah Trotter
Lavar Arrington
Daryl Gardner
Dan Wilkinson
Sam Shade
Antonio Pierce (bean's fav)
Darrel Green
Champ Bailey

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 6, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Whiteman's civilization can kiss my Redskin a**...

Posted by: frak | August 6, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I think Riggins was a hell of a running back, in fact, if it wasn't for him I don't think we would have won our first Super Bowl against the Dolphins. His blend of power and speed was something else.

Posted by: 72Redskins | August 6, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Okay, change of director. John Hughes died today of a heart attack after his morning walk. (Why couldn't it have been his hammy?) He was only 59. What was his best movie:

Baby's Day Out (1994)
Dennis the Menace (1993)
Curly Sue (1991)
Uncle Buck (1989)
She's Having A Baby (1988)
Planes, Trains and Automobiles (1987)
Ferris Bueller's Day Off (1986)
The Breakfast Club (1985)
Weird Science (1985)
Sixteen Candles (1984)

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 6, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Long time no post:

Randoms;

Friggin hammies are the most common injury in NFL, particularly skill positions. Problem is once it happens it's more likely to happen again.

Fav Nicholson roles:
1. Hands down...Cuckoos Nest
2. Five Easy Pieces
3. Few Good Men
4. Shining
5. Chinatown

Have heard very little about kicking game...could be real trouble.

cosmofla

Posted by: cosomfla | August 6, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

2002 team (cont'ed)

Kenny Watson: memba him?

Dude is still in the league as are Rock Cartwright and Ladell Betts.

They all backed up Stephen Davis: the best redskins running back no one ever talks about.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 6, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Stephen Davis: the best redskins running back no one ever talks about.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 6, 2009 10:09 PM

What went down between Stephen Davis and Michael Westbrook. Does Moe know?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 6, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Anybody know what Larry Brown is up to these days? It was him that made me become a Redskins fan, you talk about heart, this guy ran hard and had the heart of a lion, and played with pain none of these present day softies could even imagine playing with.

Posted by: 72Redskins | August 6, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

cosmo/cosom -- Did you have trouble with registration? Good to see you back. Too early to worry about kicking game, unless they have hammy problems in which case we should cut 'em to teach the WRs a lesson, or something like that.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 6, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Moe

How about The Last Detail or Prizzi's Honor


Ow Ow Ow! I think I just pulled my hammy blogging in my easy chair

Posted by: noonefromtampa | August 6, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Ferris Bueller v. Planes Trains.

Gotta go w/ Ferris...a classic

Posted by: cosomfla | August 6, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Ferris Bueller's Day Off (1986)

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | August 6, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

I think Stephen Davis called Mr.Westbrook a slang term for homosexual. Mr.Westbrook responded with a punch. At least that's what I heard.

Posted by: 72Redskins | August 6, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator

I hated it when I saw it in the theater, but "Ferris Bueller" has stood the test of time.

Thing is, it and Coming to America were both out in the late 80s.

Which would you go see today?

"Sexual Chocolate"--hands down!

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 6, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

TE- Don't forget "Twilight Zone" where Vic Morrow got the "Magic Bullet" treatment by the Huey...

Posted by: frak | August 6, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Have heard very little about kicking game...could be real trouble.

cosmofla

Posted by: cosomfla | August 6, 2009 10:08 PM

I think the less we hear the better. The only time we ever hear about kicking is when it's failing.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 6, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

I heard redskin fans were loyal, but this is "Ludicrous". You guy's cry about any and everything.

Posted by: whitepeopleareafraidtotalkaboutracialissues | August 6, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

T_E,

Yes! they f'd up my handle...cosmofla it was and is.

Never to early to worry about the kicking game IMHO, especially if you consider how many outcomes are determined by it.

Hail!

Posted by: cosomfla | August 6, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

How could I forget The Last Detail or Prizzi's Honor?

The Last Detail is an easy pick.

And:

"What went down between Stephen Davis and Michael Westbrook?"

I don't remember that fight, but---damn!!!

I beat S Davis wouldn't fight Westbrook now.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 6, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

moe: i love S. Davis. F Spurrier.

Frak: amazing kesey story!

TE: 16 candles/weird science/breakfast club/ferris bueller are the cannon. Some kind of wonderful/uncle buck/planes trains are all next teir. An 80's tycoon of teen. He damaged his rep a bit with the kid movies following home alone. but he was a master of the classic teen film.

also don't forget he wrote National Lampoon's Vacation!

Posted by: chrislarry | August 6, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

TE- Don't forget "Twilight Zone" where Vic Morrow got the "Magic Bullet" treatment by the Huey...

Posted by: frak | August 6, 2009 10:16 PM

Twilight Zone was directed by John Landis, Steven Spielberg, Joe Dante and George Miller.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 6, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Great Kesey story Frak - did Kesey ever pull a hammy?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 6, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

I beat S Davis wouldn't fight Westbrook now.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 6, 2009 10:20 PM

He didn't fight him then, either. He was on his back, Westbrook was on his chest pounding his face.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 6, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Was it during the Twilight Zone filmimg that someone was killed (helicopter accident)?

Posted by: cosomfla | August 6, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Was it Landis?? I don't know who's worse, the Johns or the Ho's..

Posted by: frak | August 6, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Kesey was a Hippie/redneck from across the border in Springfield...The "hippie-hammy" is a tossup..

Posted by: frak | August 6, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Landis directed the scene that got Mprrow killed.

Its not entirely fair to say Davis got killed by westrbrook as it was the result of a complete sucker punch....

although Westbrook is like a blackbelt in something and could prolly takE SD in a fair fight.

Westbrook...what a dueche.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 6, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

did Kesey ever pull a hammy?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 6, 2009 10:23 PM

No way. The guy did tai chi stretches. Plus a lot of drugs. He didn't have to play through pain because he never felt it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 6, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm declaring Cuckoo's Nest the winner. Shining is second. Great movie to finish second but, hell, almost everything would finish second to Cuckoo's Nest.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 6, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

dont sleep on Carnal Knowledge....and I think they only Ann Margaret nude scene.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 6, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

What I was trying to say before I was so RUDELY crashed, Nicholson was a great B-movie cowboy and soldier before he hit it big with Easy Rider. Low-budget westerns in particular, he could make Butthole Surfer videos, but the space-time continuum was out of wack..

Posted by: frak | August 6, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Oh BTW, congrats to Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | August 6, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

"Westbrook...what a dueche."

And a failed NFL Player.

Kordell Stewert and Michael Westbrook once completed one of most thrilling throw and catches in college football history.

Name the team they, as Colorado Buffaloes beat with no time on the clock:

a. USC
b. Notre Dame
c. Michigan
d. Nebraska
e. Texas


Posted by: MistaMoe | August 6, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah Nicholson had the great dental scene in that movie about, I think, a plant or something - he was also in some early hippie type film that I saw the end of the other night - the hippie chick gets run over at the end of the movie because she's walking in middle of the road and Nicholson says something like - that's life....on the edge.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | August 6, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

notre dame right?

Posted by: chrislarry | August 6, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

michigan

Posted by: frak | August 6, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

From the warpath's John Keim

...Fred Smoot rebounded with a much better showing this morning; all day actually. Smoot is not exactly in jeopardy of losing his No. 3 corner job. But he also must play better than last season. He’s
been up and down thus far.
...The offense fooled the D with a couple reverses, one in the morning and one this afternoon. Rookie Jeremy Jarmon was fooled in the afternoon session, giving up his containment. On the next play he
stayed home, having clearly learned his lesson.
... It appeared that Rob Jackson was fooled on the earlier reverse.
...Marques Hagans made a nice tip-toe catch along the sidelines this afternoon. This came after a nice grab earlier in the session. He’s firmly in the running for the fifth receiver spot; the Redskins like
him in the slot.

Posted by: TWISI | August 6, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

...Antwaan Randle El had a more lively day today. Made a nice double move on Justin Tryon to get free deep.
...Receiver Keith Eloi tripped and fell coming out of one break. Apparently he slipped earlier in the day as well (granted, it was raining steadily in the morning so we’ll cut him some slack).
...Receiver Devin Thomas missed the afternoon session after having his early workout cut short because of his hamstring. Thomas said he’s not worried and it does not appear that the team is either.
They say it’s precautionary, but coach Jim Zorn also said Thomas and Malcolm Kelly are still learning what they can, and can’t, play with.
Thomas has definitely lost some momentum, however.
...Kelly returned to practice this afternoon. Santana Moss sat out with a tweaked hamstring. There is nothing – and I mean nothing – that Moss likes talking about less than injuries. Just gets annoyed. He
sometimes doesn’t mind answering one question, but beyond that? Painful for him (no pun intended). Hard to blame him though, considering his past.
...Trent Shelton had a nice morning workout, catching a deep ball from Jason Campbell over Doug Dutch. Shelton also had a nice grab down the seam.
...The Redskins keep saying how much they like Jeremy Bridges. Don’t see it. At least not all the time. He’s had mixed reviews on the right side (was brutal on the left). Today, he lunged at Chris
Wilson, missed him, and stumbled forward. Imagine what Justin Tuck might do. But Bridges did ride out the end on enough occasions and handled the blitz fine. So we’ll see.
...Reed Doughty and Kareem Moore both picked off Jason Campbell. In both cases it was an ill-advised throw.
...Mike Sellers buried Doughty on a run around the end.

Posted by: TWISI | August 6, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

...The Redskins have worked a lot with LaRon Landry on his footwork and his eyes, getting him to look in the right spot. They feel that there were plays every game that, with better footwork, could
have resulted in a big play. It’s more about rounding off his path to the ball too much.
...One change in backup C Will Montgomery is that he’s playing with more of an attitude this year as opposed to last year when he signed with the Redskins. It’s certainly helped him.
...Edwin Williams worked at left guard today.
...There is genuine concern about Randy Thomas’ knee. We’re now hearing whispers that the Redskins think this could be a season-long issue. Welcome to the Chad Rinehart era.

Posted by: TWISI | August 6, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Thomas and Kelly and Marko Mitchell will be WR # 3-5 for the Skins this year and they will produce becuse Moss will be injured and Randel El sucks and they will be our only options. Oh..and Hackett will be re-signed for the league minimum after Moss goes down. you heard it here first... SCOTTMANDO REPORTING

Posted by: scottmando | August 6, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Go Marques Hagans! He would be better in the slot than ARE, and a better punt returner too. He's from the 757, there would be no fair catching and zig zagging, all heart, straight ahead.

Posted by: 72Redskins | August 6, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Our offense will suck again but our defense will be outstanding and we will once again just make the playoffs and then exit after one game....hhhmmmm.... no wonder i opted not to buy those season tickets when my number finally came up..rooting for this team is like the movie Groundhog Day

Posted by: scottmando | August 6, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

R.Thomas, I feel for the guy, but he's had serious, serious injuries the last few years. He can't pull anymore, his body can't take it anymore, I think it's time to bring his era to a respectful close.

Posted by: 72Redskins | August 6, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

This Scottmando guy's posts are painful to attempt to read. I shall attempt it no more. I agree with you 72, time for the R. Thomas to come to a close.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 6, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Zorn now is having his QBs playing dodgeball with a big blue ball.
Trouble with that is players that chase QBs are faster than the ball.
Is he for real?
Who thinks that this guy is a NFL coach?
Maybe he could coach little league.
I think he will last maybe 6 weeks.

Posted by: jmy999 | August 6, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

If Zorn wants to last at all he better be more creative and diverse with his offense and plays, the last half of last year was LAME, real LAME.

Posted by: 72Redskins | August 6, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

"Burn Notice"- awesome spy thriller comic book series, summer finale on tonight, repeat at midnight

Posted by: frak | August 6, 2009 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Sheesh everyone is just realizing now that Thomas suffered some pretty serious debilitating injuries? Pete Kendall was their best guard last year ... what will happen this year? Samuels getting beat regularly? Very, very different from past years ... his injuries weren't exactly of the garden variety ... he should have been moved to right guard and they should have drafted or traded for a left tackle. Mike Williams ... so far he doesn't look like the miracle that is supposed to happen? Forget guard, if Rhinehart is a "changed man" they should be looking at him for the tackle positions. Wasn't that the position he was drafted at?

OL they really need to do something about the OL other than releasing Jensen. Which in my mind makes no sense other than the fact he had a falling out with Bugel! No he isn't a starter at tackle anymore but he would likely have been a better guard than most of the candidates they currently have.

Posted by: periculum | August 7, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Zorn had better keep his offense really SIMPLE. He has no line, the less the line the more simple the plays need to be.

Posted by: periculum | August 7, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Scottmando won't be happy when Kelly ends up going the way of R. Thomas on the IR. Be nice if Marko made it but its highly unlikely. Whoever shows the most value on the specials will be kept. They've lost some key people there.

Posted by: periculum | August 7, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Come on Peri, you know this is the West Coast Offense. In the West Coast Offense you don't need an offensive line, well, just a center to snap the ball. Oh, and a couple of Guards to get in the way of the Nose Tackle or Linebackers for a split second or two. The Tackles are almost optional, they just need to grab a shirt and hang on while the DE or DT goes by.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | August 7, 2009 1:56 AM | Report abuse

This stuff happens early in camp. You can train all you want, but when the ball is in the air and you've got to gain a step on Fred Smoot, especially on a wet field, you'll pull a hamstring.

That type of burst, most people cannot duplicate in training. Just keep our fingers crossed that they get through it by the time the season rolls around.

Hamstrings suck. So do Quads. Groins, too, come to think of it. Just keep stretching them, working them, and DON'T pull them anymore... Tricky stuff, but they're Pros.

Posted by: Thinker_ | August 7, 2009 5:29 AM | Report abuse

Bruce Smith is going into the HOF this weekend.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 6, 2009 8:50 PM

Mebbe not. He could get pulled over for a DUI on the way to the ceremony.

Posted by: TubularBells | August 7, 2009 6:10 AM | Report abuse

"There is genuine concern about Randy Thomas’ knee. We’re now hearing whispers that the Redskins think this could be a season-long issue. Welcome to the Chad Rinehart era."


And Vinny didn't draft an offensive lineman like Duke Robinson in the fifth round to play guard because......

......none of them were as good as Mike Williams is proving not to be.

Randy Thomas=Jon Jansen

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 7, 2009 6:17 AM | Report abuse

peri

"...they really need to do something about the OL other than releasing Jensen. Which in my mind makes no sense..."

It made no sense as they could've let him hang around, come to August practices while taking a 'wait and see' attitude regarding Williams/Bridges/Heyer/Rhinehart et al.

Thing is, though, at the time he got cut, we all applauded the move.

So the 'finger of blame' gets pointed in two directions: the FO and the fans.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 7, 2009 6:25 AM | Report abuse

Here we go again; someone in China broke wind & now Devin Thomas has a pulled hammy again! Either the training staff needs to be fired or Vinny needs to earn how to draft some players w/ some guts!!!!!!!

Posted by: skinhead62 | August 6, 2009 7:16 PM |

You can train to minimize the risk of hamstring pulls. All the world class sprinters like Tyson Gay do it. But you have to be motivated. Obviously if you are a sprinter you are - your compensation depends on your performance and you can't perform with a hamstring pull. On the other hand, with Skins noobs like Thomas and Moss it wouldn't surprise me if the motivation wasn't there.

Posted by: TubularBells | August 7, 2009 6:27 AM | Report abuse

You can train to minimize the risk of hamstring pulls. All the world class sprinters like Tyson Gay do it. But you have to be motivated. Obviously if you are a sprinter you are - your compensation depends on your performance and you can't perform with a hamstring pull. On the other hand, with Skins noobs like Thomas and Moss it wouldn't surprise me if the motivation wasn't there.

Posted by: TubularBells | August 7, 2009 6:27 AM

Moss has been bothered by hammies his whole career. You look at him and say "he's not motivated."

I don't see it, myself. Moss would do anything he could to be on the field for every play. If a man as motivated as he is can't avoid hamstring pulls, then it can't be done.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 7, 2009 6:36 AM | Report abuse

... You look at him and say "he's not motivated." ...

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 7, 2009 6:36 AM |

You need to be more careful about reading posts. I didn't say "he's not motivated". I said that "it wouldn't surprise me if the motivation wasn't there". It could be there or it could not be there. Who knows? There is a difference.

Posted by: TubularBells | August 7, 2009 7:15 AM | Report abuse

You can train to minimize the risk of hamstring pulls. All the world class sprinters like Tyson Gay do it. But you have to be motivated. Obviously if you are a sprinter you are - your compensation depends on your performance and you can't perform with a hamstring pull. On the other hand, with Skins noobs like Thomas and Moss it wouldn't surprise me if the motivation wasn't there.

Posted by: TubularBells | August 7, 2009 6:27 AM

Moss has been bothered by hammies his whole career. You look at him and say "it wouldn't surprise me if the motivation wasn't there."

It would surprise me. Moss would do anything he could to be on the field for every play. If a man as motivated as he is can't avoid hamstring pulls, then it can't be done.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 7, 2009 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Compare this headline:

"SANCHEZ SOLID IN SCRIMMAGE"--NYPOST.COM

To this observation:

"I’m going to bypass quarterback, because--honestly--I haven’t seen any of them (JC17, Colt, Collins, Daniels) play exceptionally well." Redskins.com, Gary Fitzgerald



Posted by: MistaMoe | August 7, 2009 7:45 AM | Report abuse

Moe--Big difference between "solid" and "exceptionally well." This is Washington. We set the bar higher.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 7, 2009 7:49 AM | Report abuse

A solid rookie v. 'execeptional well' veteren players in the same system for their second year is an equal situation if you ask me.

The difference?: the rookie will improve and two of the three redskin vets might be unemployed sometime after the end of next Feb., especially #17 if their play isn't more than solid.

For Campbell to be 'shown the money,' the bar is high: he has to play exceptionally well behind a mediocre offensive line.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 7, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Forget guard, if Rhinehart is a "changed man" they should be looking at him for the tackle positions. Wasn't that the position he was drafted at?

Posted by: periculum | August 7, 2009 12:22 AM
No, he was drafted as a guard.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 7, 2009 8:18 AM | Report abuse

said it before will say it again.

Line Jason Campbell up deeper then a punter, its the only way he will have time to throw.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 7, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Yeh, I'm not buying the 'sore' vs. 'hurt' debate.

These atheletes won't endanger themselves for the team - not until it means them getting another contract or not.

This would all be solved by my 'pay by position' method. But who wants fair in this day & age?... plus it would relegate the agent job to sponsorships, pretty much. Those lawyers won't let that happen...

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 7, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Catching up:

Departed, great flick, "give em up to the All-Mighty, I say" great line from it.

cl, mwestbrook is like an ALL PRO d-bag, just a collossal waste of talent, 1-billion percent agreement there..he still pisses me off...

to the guy who suggested cutting Thomas/Kelly, just galactically stupid...

moe, you guys put a hurting on us last night, I think the end has come for Smoltz, he's good enough to play on the PGA from what I hear, time to break out the clubs...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 7, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Ah yes, Alex - the West Coast Shotgun... hehe.

btw - Have you had the Czechwahr or Budveis (I think they're the same..) Czechoslovakian Budweiser? AWESMOE!!

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 7, 2009 8:34 AM | Report abuse

I think I figured out why Vinny Cerrato has been ruining great franchises and quality quarterbacks since 1995.

Look at this correlation of team colors for every team he has been involved with:

Iowa Sate (Cardinal and Gold)
Minnesota Golden Gophers (Maroon and Gold)
Notre Dame (Blue and Gold)
49ers ( Scarlet Gold )
Redskins (burgundy and gold)

Looking at his bio, the guy played his college football at Iowa, at QB/WR and was unable to get into the NFL as a player.

He is jealous and is taking out his revenge on any QB to wear red and gold ever since. Or he is secretly a monkey attracted to shiny objects.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 7, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

He is jealous and is taking out his revenge on any QB to wear red and gold ever since. Or he is secretly a monkey attracted to shiny objects.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 7, 2009 8:36 AM


My money is on the latter.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 7, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Why does it seem like it's always the very same players hurt every year in camp?

Posted by: hbu_dog | August 7, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

beeps!

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 7, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: TWISI | August 7, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 7, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Another fun game I am trying to figure out is anagrams for Vinny Cerrato

So far the best I have is: NY rat in cover

conspicuous no?

Posted by: alex35332 | August 7, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

"The season has not yet begun and the hamstring problems are already a problem. 5 wins at best and this will be Zorn's last year.Posted by: richie_sheppard"

The hamstrings have spoken, huh?

Posted by: Samson151 | August 7, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

"Would you consider the possibility that it only SEEMS that way because you follow the Redskins closely but don't follow the other 31 teams in the league? No one reports data on this so maybe there are actually FEWER hamstrings injuries in Ashburn.Posted by: talent_evaluator"

That's certainly logical. I follow a couple teams and there's no shortage of hamstring injuries there, either. But I don't think anybody has made a formal count.

Most common cause of hamstring injuries in athletes is doing too much too soon, particularly in a camp setting where there's competitive pressure. Once you've had a severe hamstring injury of some type, you're more likely to have another one. So some players become quite cautious. They fear a major setback that would cause them to miss a number of games.

Again, prevention helps, but not as much as you'd think.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 7, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

These atheletes won't endanger themselves for the team - not until it means them getting another contract or not.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 7, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

They endanger themselves every time they step out onto the field. Just ask Darryl Stingley's survivors or anyone who ever got paralyzed during a practice or game. Which is why I don't begrudge them every dime that they can get.

Posted by: rbpalmer | August 7, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

"After an offseason worth of rumors indicating a deal might happen, the Patriots acquired Derrick Burgess from the Raiders Thursday"

The odd part is NE plans to use him at linebacker. Oakland revived his career by moving him to DE after a lackluster period at Philly. Maybe they're going to let him put his hand down on pass plays.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 7, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

"Why does it seem like it's always the very same players hurt every year in camp?
Posted by: hbu_dog"

Might be because certain injuries tend to recur, particularly under stress.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 7, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

On this StretchingUSA website: I never like to rely on websites that are basically promos for a profit-making enterprise, and I didn't find the links to any research (maybe I just missed it), but I don't see anything potentially harmful in his methods, which after all are just stretching exercises. Testimonials are notoriously unreliable, so I have fallen into the habit of ignoring them. But here's what he says about hamstrings:

"Hamstrings?
The hamstrings are best stretched when incorporating the quadriceps. Use of a rope or strap is helpful. The distal end (insertion) of the hamstrings should be stretched before the proximal (origin) end. The "Bent Knee Hamstring Stretch" is used to stretch the distal attachment. To become more specific the lower leg is first rotated inward to stretch the distal inner hamstrings. Rotate the lower leg outward for the distal outer hamstrings. Incorporate the "Straight Leg Hamstring Stretch" for the muscle belly and proximal attachments. The Knee must remain extended. Use rope or strap to assist. After initial straight leg stretch, perform movement with full leg rotated inward for oblique fibers of inner hamstrings. Rotate leg outward and move leg toward opposite side shoulder to isolate oblique fibers of biceps femoris (outer hamstring)."

That's not going to hurt anybody, at least IMO.


Posted by: Samson151 | August 7, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

bean

"...you guys put a hurting on us last night.."


That was a horribly pitched baseball game all around.

I am amped for the next three nights, though:

Beckett v. Burnett
Sabathia v. Bucholz
Pettite v. Lester

then, either Tues., its

Halladay v. Chamberlain

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 7, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

RB, I'm not saying it isn't a dangerous game. I'm also not saying the atheletes are wrong.

I'm saying the days of them taking shots or allowing themselves to play injured (which is looks like Zorn is asking for) are long past. Not since North Dallas Fourty.

Unless, or course, their livelyhood depends on it. I give you Receiver, The.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 7, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Moe, u going 2nite? I'm gonna be in 315 J w/ fam. Can't wait.

I'm a Marlins fan, but excited to see some Ball.

U ever get out to the minor league stuff? I really enjoyed my only BaySox game. Which is better, them or Frederick?

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 7, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

"...the Patriots acquired Derrick Burgess from the Raiders Thursday..."


What's up with the pats of Belichek and the stackage of vet players?:

D Burgess
F Taylor
S Springs
J Galloway
L Bodden
P Lenon

Sounds like somebody's making a Super Bowl run with vets.

Why does this workout for every team but the redskins?

Maybe because they think quarterback, o-line 1st and see the free agents as add-ons.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 7, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

[Choir asks reverend Moe to turn around and face the congregation]

[ :-|

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 7, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I concur with this diagnosis by Dr. Zorn:

"It was more of a significant pull than a slight strain."

Signed, Dr. John Riggins

PS I also penned the Redskins fight song "Hail to the Redskins"

Posted by: ElYeah | August 7, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Also could we get a consensus on glossing Vinny C. now Mr. Peepers?

DR. R. (stay away from my shiny ring)

Posted by: ElYeah | August 7, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

The Redskin could cut Randle El, Thomas, and Kelly today and have Hackett as a starter. As far as I'm concerned the Redskins can cut Santana Moss too. I'm predicting he might have two games at most this season where he's at 90% strength. None of the Redskins WR's are ever healthy. The Skins should have kept Brandon Lloyd. He did more than Kelly and Thomas will do. I'm sick of this injury B.S. We need a whole new WR's group and some new trainers PRONTO

Posted by: risher80 | August 7, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only one that ever looks at the league wide injury report?

Look at all of the injuries, especially hammy pulls/tweeks/whatever. Every teams has them.

Let's just knock on wood. We haven't lost anyone for the season. And plenty have.

Posted by: damynke | August 7, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

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