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Posted at 11:18 AM ET, 01/12/2011

Most intriguing playoff matchup?

By Washington Post editors

What is the most intiguing playoff matchup this week? See what our panel thinks in The League:


By Washington Post editors  | January 12, 2011; 11:18 AM ET
 
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Me vs. 2ft of snow. I'm placing money on me, but it's going to take 4 quarters to get it done.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 12, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Bears vs. Seahawks and here's why. The Seahawks beat the Bears in week 6 fairly convincingly. If they're able to do that again and the Pack beat the Falcons. The previous 7-9 Seahawks would host an NFC championship game in their very loud stadium.

I'm writing this in hopes that it dosen't happen but it is a lesson in that anything can happen in the playoffs.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 12, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

The League refering to the Seahawks as cinderella is off. Seattle is more like Cinderalla's ugly step sister. Had Seattle been 9-7 and winning their last 3 or 4 games they would be Cinderalla. Instead, they lost three in row before beating the Rams.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 12, 2011 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I don't care what your panel thinks.

Ravens/Steelers...or maybe Jets/Pats...hell idk.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Me vs. 2ft of snow. I'm placing money on me, but it's going to take 4 quarters to get it done.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 12, 2011 11:26 AM

Matt--The world is going green. Snow removal is a perfect application for solar energy.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 12, 2011 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Steelers/Ravens is always a great battle, but I'm more intrigued by the Falcons/Packers game...I think that's the de facto NFC title game. That's right...winner will end up in the SB. Book it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Whether the Bears or the Packers make the NFC title game, the NFC representative in this year's Super Bowl will have lost to the 'Skins.

Yes, I agree it's sad to have to point that out but what else do we as die-hard fans have to hang our hats on?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 12, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Can we steer this back to cooking/BBQ? I got there late and I just want to make one point about BBQ. There is no such thing as "best" and there's no such thing as "bad." BBQ is like sex. Even when it's bad it's great.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 12, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

No way matt beats snow...I'm sorry...snow is undefeated...just keeps coming at you...and has ALOT more playoff experience.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I agree with our man in Bangkok that there's a good chance Seattle hosts Green Bay next week, and that's what I'm going with.

Most of my remaining concern about these playoffs, though, is that something must prevent the New England Patriots from winning another title. And it ain't gonna be the Jets this weekend.

I'm rooting for the Steelers, but I think the Ravens could take care of the Pats, too. I don't think anyone from the NFC can beat them, so I don't want this issue to linger until the Super Bowl.

Take care of business, AFC teams other than New England!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 12, 2011 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs was the President of the Org. and had full control whether he used it or not is a different question.

Gibbs was braught in to fix the many mistakes they had made in the past, that would lead a rational person who can see beyond Gibbs 1.0 that he had complete say.

No coach before or after will ever have as much clout with Snyder as Gibbs did, he could have used that to put in place what this team needed for the future.

Don't give me Greg Williams either, first off Greg and Al would have never gotten along and if you think Shanny has an ego Greg is right there with him. How many head coaching jobs has Greg got since he left here?

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 11:30 AM | Report abuse


Joe Gibbs is not the owner of the team. To say he had full control of the organization is just ludicrous especially considering how much we know that Snyder had his hands in things.

Yeah, if Gibbs wanted to, I'm sure he could have had WWIII with Danny over Cerratto a-la Marty Schottenheimer. He didn't. That's different from saying that Gibbs didn't do his job and delegate responsibilities.

To thank that Gibbs was given full control over whether to retain or fire or promote Cerratto is just silly considering what we know about Snyder and Cerratto's relationship. And I don't ever recall even hearing a rumor that Gibbs had that kind of authority.

Bruce Allen has the "GM" title. Do you really think he has the power to fire Mike Shanahan tommorrow if he wanted to? To say that Gibbs had pwoer to do whatever he wanted b/c he held the title of "Team President" is also silly.

I'm not sure what your point is regarding Gregg Williams. Gibbs had him in place as the coach-to-be; you may not like Gregg Williams, but that's irrelevant to the point.

And yes, Grilliams has been sought after as a HC. Word was that he could have had the Houston job, but he stayed on with the Skins b/c he was expecting to land the gig. Recently he turned down an interview with Denver to be HC.

Lots of coaches have egos. Grilliams has an ego. Of course Grilliams wasn't going to be given any orgnaizational control - it's not like he was being groomed to be Team President...so again, what is your point?

Posted by: p1funk | January 12, 2011 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if it was posted yet, but we can all use a good look at the scheme specific OL types out there... Have at it.


http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/1/12/1930446/detailed-look-at-2011-ufa-zone-blocking-offensive-linemen

Posted by: sweetsweetlou | January 12, 2011 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I agree it's sad to have to point that out but what else do we as die-hard fans have to hang our hats on?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 12, 2011 11:54 AM

Think the skins have beat the eventual NFC champs (minus the choke to the Saints) at least the past three years...sad.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I agree it's sad to have to point that out but what else do we as die-hard fans have to hang our hats on?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 12, 2011 11:54 AM

Think the skins have beat the eventual NFC champs (minus the choke to the Saints) at least the past three years...sad.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 12:08 PM |

Don't forget the Ravens and the Patriots in their respective SB winning years.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 12, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Matt--The world is going green. Snow removal is a perfect application for solar energy.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 12, 2011 11:51 AM | Report abuse
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Sure, if I could stay home until next weekend. Unfortunately, my snow plow is Wheaties powered.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 12, 2011 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Think the skins have beat the eventual NFC champs (minus the choke to the Saints) at least the past three years...sad.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 12:08 PM |

Don't forget the Ravens and the Patriots in their respective SB winning years.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 12, 2011 12:14 PM

We're the best losers!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Lots of coaches have egos. Grilliams has an ego. Of course Grilliams wasn't going to be given any orgnaizational control - it's not like he was being groomed to be Team President...so again, what is your point?

Posted by: p1funk | January 12, 2011 12:06 PM |

Gibbs had as much control over the team as Shanny does it's called team president.

The big WWWIII you say over Cerrato, would have been as easy as saying he needs to go thats it.

Do you think Snyder would have said I'm not hiring you unless Vinny stays, give me a break.

Had the Gibbs 2.0 years been anyone else but Gibbs you would have said how much it sucked.

I got another question for you if it was such a great idea for Gibbs to hire Al Saunders why did the Gibbs led offesne of 2006 go 10-6 and score 359 points when the Saunders offense in two years could only score a high of 334 and go 9-7.

That was a terrible choice to bring in an OC when Gibbs was doing fine and then he preceded to undermine said OC everytime they got in the red zone.

You seem to remeber a lot about the Gibbs years funny how you don't remeber the players saying Gibbs is calling the plays in the red zone and in the 2 minute drill.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Steelers/Ravens - That'll be a battle. Jets/Pats - could be good
Packs/Falcons - I know they are good but the Falcons don't hold much interest for me
Bears/Seahawks - eh, ho hum

Posted by: skinswest | January 12, 2011 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Bears/Seahawks - eh, ho hum

Posted by: skinswest | January 12, 2011 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Hey, the Seahawks are entertaining. I'm definitely watching them. They are the team with nothing to lose and you can see that with the way they play.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 12, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Haitian folk singers Vs. CIA/Mafia music industry...can't do nuthin for you, main..

Posted by: frak | January 12, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

That should of been the 2005 season going 10-6 sorry.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Most intriguing playoff matchup?


Stillers v. Ravens

The teams are mirror images of each other.

The real question is, which offense will be able to move the ball against very good defense?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/1/12/1930446/detailed-look-at-2011-ufa-zone-blocking-offensive-linemen

Posted by: sweetsweetlou | January 12, 2011 12:07 PM


Great post, dude.

Joseph, Harris and Pollack (in that order) are the only ones worth making a run at, IMO...and I seriously doubt Joseph hits the market because he's that good. We could probably get Harris at a discount rate since he's a Shanahan guy and he's got a history of getting hurt. Plus he could play RG or RT...versatility is HUGE for this team...

Oh wait...FA is the devil. Must avoid at all costs. Almost forgot...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse

frak - u nailed that one. Back in the 90's MaxRnR did a great expose on music industry funding illegal war.

Awesmoe!

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 12, 2011 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Sure hope our GM is this smart too...


Bill Polian preparing four offseason plans
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 12, 2011, 10:46 AM EST

As we mentioned in a post earlier this morning, the uncertainty surrounding this offseason will ultimately reward the best front offices more than usual. Teams have to be prepared for everything, and ready to move quickly whenever free agency starts. If it starts.

To that end, Colts president Bill Polian told Mike Chapell of the Indianapolis Star that the Colts are preparing their offseason plan of attack based on four different scenarios:

1. A collective bargaining agreement is worked out before March 4.

2. A short work stoppage.

3. A long work stoppage.

4. A decision is made to operate under an undefined “set of rules.”

Florio goes over what those rules might be in his 10 things to know about the labor situation. Polian thinks that last scenario is the least likely. No matter how the offseason plays out, it’s clear we are entering uncharted territory.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2011 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Bears vs. Seahawks and here's why. The Seahawks beat the Bears in week 6 fairly convincingly.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 12, 2011 11:36 AM

This time Lance Briggs will be playing. The Bears didn't get hot till the latter half of the season. Bears have a better defense (better than the Saints anyway) and defenses win in the playoffs.

To see two teams with outstanding defenses win in the playoffs, stick with the Ravens-Steelers and the under. Better the farm on this one (except the part about both teams winning).

Jets/Patriots is really two games. The varsity game is New England offense v. Jets defense. The JV game comes at the change of possession.

Green Bay-Atlanta will have the most lop-sided score ... so take the under ... but I just can't figure out who wins. Neither team does real well at coming back from a big deficit. I'm saying this one has some PR/KR or defensive scores too. [That one is just hunch ... frankly, this whole game is just hunch ... if I had to pick one, I lean Green Bay b/c healthy teams on bye weeks have disappointed me so many times in the past few seasons.] I think the score here will be more lop-sided than Bears in Seattle.

Posted by: dcsween | January 12, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

PFT had a very informative discussion about the CBA labor negotiations. It's too long to post here, so here is the site:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/12/ten-things-to-know-about-the-labor-situation/

Posted by: frediefritz | January 12, 2011 12:40 PM | Report abuse

That was a terrible choice to bring in an OC when Gibbs was doing fine and then he preceded to undermine said OC everytime they got in the red zone.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 12:21 PM

Do you remember how much the QBs, Brunnel and Collins, balked at Saunders' 700 page playbook? It was a runnning joke, and there seemed to be a lot of struggle with the offense's transition to Saunders' more pass-oriented attack with multiple options.

At the end of the day, Gibbs was still the head coach. Again, not saying he was perfect. But he recognized there were problems, the transition wasn't smooth, and he tried adapt to his players. He tried to simplify the attack with more rushing plays in the situations you're mentioning.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 12, 2011 12:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm a 35+ year Redskins fan...

The 91' Super Bowl run seems like ancient history to me.

I cannot imagine what this city would be like if we advanced to an NFC championship, let alone a Super Bowl.

No thanks to Carlos Rogers, we almost found out if he would have picked that pass of against the Seahawks.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 12, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Cooking Insider
Fishing Insider
Weather Insider
Baby Poop Insider

...and given what we've read in the weather section today, it really should be Snow Removal Insider, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs was a classic "win now" person. Because he sucks at personnel, he's willing to part with draft picks and sign older veterans.

Couple that with Cerrato the "Dancing Bear" and we have what we have now.

Go SHANAHAN!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 12, 2011 12:50 PM | Report abuse

At the end of the day, Gibbs was still the head coach. Again, not saying he was perfect. But he recognized there were problems, the transition wasn't smooth, and he tried adapt to his players. He tried to simplify the attack with more rushing plays in the situations you're mentioning.


Posted by: Alan4 | January 12, 2011 12:43 PM |

Correct but wasn't it you that said it was a good idea for him to bring in Saunders, doesn't seem to me like it was.

If you bring in a new OC you either let him run his offense or there was no reason to bring him in to start with.

Most say Al was braught in for passing game well it didn't help.

Gibbs 2005 season as OC passing yards 3106 TD's 25 INT's 11

Saunders 2007 season second season as OC passing yards 3463 TD's 18 INT's 11

Rushing also decreased from 2005 to 2007 from 2183 in 2005 to 1871 in 2007

By bringing in Al he wasted that entire 2006 season learning a new offense when they had just went 10-6 and pretty much had Gibbs offense down.

Read this article it will tell you everything you need to know about the bad relationship between Gibbs and Saunders.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/01/AR2007010101001.html

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Haitian folk singers

It's been a year since the earthquake.

What are they singing about now?:

a. "A Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On"

b. "All Fall Down"

c. "Burnin' And Lootin'"

d. "Cholera State of Mind"

e. "Have You Seen My Baby?--I'm Serious"

f. all of the above

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frediefritz | January 12, 2011 12:40 PM

Thanks fredie...haven't followed the goings on with the cba...kinda up to speed now...thats definitely some print and take to the bathroom reading there.

This was funny though...and true...

"Which means that there would be no offseason workouts, no OTAs, no minicamps, no training camp, and no preseason.
Which means that we’ll have to be making a lot more stuff up than usual."

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I actually think that if Gibbs had stuck with his offense they would have improved on the 2005 season in 2006 and then been in a position to battle for the NFC championship in 2007.

Bringing in Saunders killed all that because the 2006 season was waisted on learning a new offense.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Flounder21:

"Correct but wasn't it you that said it was a good idea for him to bring in Saunders, doesn't seem to me like it was."

In hindsight it wasn't, because of what happened next.

Gibbs abruptly left and Saunders moved on, and we started back at the beginning again with a new offensive playbook. And that's been the major problem all along.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 12, 2011 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Oh wait...FA is the devil. Must avoid at all costs. Almost forgot...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2011 12:29 PM |
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FA is a way to compliment what you build thru drafting young players. the woodson signing, I'll agree you have to sign and have veterans on your team for leadership.

the main focus this offseason should be the draft. my only hope with FA's is the FO makes wise decisions that don't have snyder's characteristics all over them

Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs had as much control over the team as Shanny does it's called team president.

The big WWWIII you say over Cerrato, would have been as easy as saying he needs to go thats it.

Do you think Snyder would have said I'm not hiring you unless Vinny stays, give me a break.

Had the Gibbs 2.0 years been anyone else but Gibbs you would have said how much it sucked.

I got another question for you if it was such a great idea for Gibbs to hire Al Saunders why did the Gibbs led offesne of 2006 go 10-6 and score 359 points when the Saunders offense in two years could only score a high of 334 and go 9-7.

That was a terrible choice to bring in an OC when Gibbs was doing fine and then he preceded to undermine said OC everytime they got in the red zone.

You seem to remeber a lot about the Gibbs years funny how you don't remeber the players saying Gibbs is calling the plays in the red zone and in the 2 minute drill.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 12:21 PM | Report abuse


So, just tell Snyder that Cerratto needs to go and that's it, eh? That simple. Yeah, it was really simple when Marty did that.

And yes. I 100% believe that when Snyder hired Gibbs, he told him ahead of time that he envisioned the FO structure being composed of Gibbs, Vinny and himself.

He's the friggin owner!! He fired a coach b/c he wanted Vinny around!! Why don't you get that?

This picture you paint of a meek Snyder with hat-in-hand humbly asking Gibbs to come and take full control of everything is ludicrous.

And if ANY coach had managed to take this moribund franchise to the playoffs 2 out of the 4 years they were here, I would also be singing their praises.

And if Gibbs is the head coach and decides he wants to make the calls in the red zone, then that's what he does. Coaches take playcalling duties from their subordinates all the time. It's not "undermining", it's called "being the head coach".

And for your last kicker of a question -

""I got another question for you if it was such a great idea for Gibbs to hire Al Saunders why did the Gibbs led offesne of 2006 go 10-6 and score 359 points when the Saunders offense in two years could only score a high of 334 and go 9-7.""

Let me just answer you with a question:

If it was such a great idea for Snyder to hire Shanahan at $7mill/year to go 6-10 this season and miss the playoffs, then why didn't Snyder try to hire Peter Carroll at a cheaper rate, go 7-9 and then beat the defending Superbowl Champs?

So? Whaddya say? Once you answer that question, then I'll answer your after-the-fact hindsighted buffoonery of a question.

Posted by: p1funk | January 12, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

No thanks to Carlos Rogers, we almost found out if he would have picked that pass of against the Seahawks.

Posted by: rickyroge |

RR its just amazing to me how vividly I remember that play as if it was 5 minutes ago.Bottom of my screen in the flat.And how dumb my face looked when he dropped that pass.

Posted by: smittdiddy | January 12, 2011 1:14 PM | Report abuse

playaction

"Which means that there would be no offseason workouts, no OTAs, no minicamps, no training camp, and no preseason."

If you're Albert Haynesworth, how is this any different from what you do already?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

If it was such a great idea for Snyder to hire Shanahan at $7mill/year to go 6-10 this season and miss the playoffs, then why didn't Snyder try to hire Peter Carroll at a cheaper rate, go 7-9 and then beat the defending Superbowl Champs?

So? Whaddya say? Once you answer that question, then I'll answer your after-the-fact hindsighted buffoonery of a question.


Posted by: p1funk | January 12, 2011 1:11 PM |

Thats easy Shanny was taking over a terrible franshise in one of the toughest divisions in football that had hardly any talent on it.

Carroll took over a Seahawks team that plays in the worst division in football hence the 7-9 record wins the division.

As far as beating the defending SB champs well who new you favorite coach Greg Williams defense would collapse like my lawn chair, why don't you call Greg and ask him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I actually think that if Gibbs had stuck with his offense they would have improved on the 2005 season in 2006 and then been in a position to battle for the NFC championship in 2007.

Bringing in Saunders killed all that because the 2006 season was waisted on learning a new offense.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 1:06 PM | Report abuse

From 2002-2005, Saunders offense had a cumulative ranking of #1 in the NFL over those years.

But yeah, you're right. WTH was Gibbs thinking when he made the move to bring in Saunders after the 2005 season???

Posted by: p1funk | January 12, 2011 1:22 PM | Report abuse

PFT had a very informative discussion about the CBA labor negotiations. It's too long to post here, so here is the site:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/12/ten-things-to-know-about-the-labor-situation/

Posted by: frediefritz | January 12, 2011 12:40 PM
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Thanks, Fred. It kind of lays it all out there but no one seems to have the inside scoop on what is going on. I've said here in the past that the owners are asking for too much. Maybe the tactic is to ask for way too much and then compromise on something that is more than what they have now. The article seemed to de-emphasize the whole 18 week season in importance when I think it is huge. An extra game for a team like the Redskins is a big money maker.

I'd like to see them come up with an interim contract based on the current contract that penalizes both sides if a new agreement isn't reached within a year. A significant portion of cash from both sides could be thrown into escrow and if the new agreement isn't reached, then that money all goes to charity. If the agreement is reached, then that money is divided equally among the teams and players.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 12, 2011 1:23 PM | Report abuse

As far as beating the defending SB champs well who new you favorite coach Greg Williams defense would collapse like my lawn chair, why don't you call Greg and ask him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 1:18 PM |

Even my titanium reinforced lawn chair would collapse under the weight of your fat ass.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 12, 2011 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Flounder21

Bringing in Saunders killed all that because the 2006 season was wasted on learning a new offense.


The Saunders move was also bad because the type of quarterback needed to run it--a strong-armed guy who made quick decisions--wasn't in-house.

Gibbs should've spread his offense a bit and used more open 1-back and 3-wide sets: that's really the most basic and observable difference between what was run league-wide in 2005-06 and he ran in the '80s-'90s.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Thats easy Shanny was taking over a terrible franshise in one of the toughest divisions in football that had hardly any talent on it.

Carroll took over a Seahawks team that plays in the worst division in football hence the 7-9 record wins the division.

As far as beating the defending SB champs well who new you favorite coach Greg Williams defense would collapse like my lawn chair, why don't you call Greg and ask him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 1:18 PM | Report abuse


Oh, I see.

So the decision was made based on the circumstances at the time, and not based on information gained from a magic crystal ball that tells you the future.

Gotcha.

Just a hunch, but I think Gibbs was operating the same way.

At the time, it probably seemed like a good idea to hire an offensive coordinator that had put together the NFL's top offense over the previous 4-year span.

You think?

Posted by: p1funk | January 12, 2011 1:28 PM | Report abuse

So, just tell Snyder that Cerratto needs to go and that's it, eh? That simple. Yeah, it was really simple when Marty did that.

And yes. I 100% believe that when Snyder hired Gibbs, he told him ahead of time that he envisioned the FO structure being composed of Gibbs, Vinny and himself.

He's the friggin owner!! He fired a coach b/c he wanted Vinny around!! Why don't you get that?

This picture you paint of a meek Snyder with hat-in-hand humbly asking Gibbs to come and take full control of everything is ludicrous.

Posted by: p1funk | January 12, 2011 1:11 PM |

Marty is not Joe Gibbs especially to Snyder, if it had gotten out that Snyder had a chance to bring Gibbs back and didn't because of Vinny and believe me it would have gotten out then that boycott people talk about would have actually happened.

If it's tru that Danny told Gibbs what the FO structure was going to be then he should have got back on the plane and flew back to Charlotte, it didn't happen.

He fired Marty because he wanted control and Marty was a d-ck to him personally. Had nothing to do with Vinny.

He has used Vinny over the years to cover up for him, thats why he braught him back.

"This picture you paint of a meek Snyder with hat-in-hand humbly asking Gibbs to come and take full control of everything is ludicrous."

This is your best line lets see what else did Snyder give Gibbs to come back how about another race team. which was negotiated into his contract yeh but getting rid of Vinny was out of the question.

Snyder hired Shanny and has given him full control of everything and fired Vinny but he wouldn't of done the same for Gibbs, you just don't get it and until you do I'm done.


Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 1:28 PM | Report abuse

It's never funny when your lawn chair gives way...at least not to you.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 1:29 PM | Report abuse

At the time, it probably seemed like a good idea to hire an offensive coordinator that had put together the NFL's top offense over the previous 4-year span.

You think?

Posted by: p1funk | January 12, 2011 1:28 PM |

Not if you knew you weren't going to let him run it the way he wanted to.

You think?

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I don't usually talk about other teams here but I find it really interesting that after Elway was hired in Denver, two veteran coaches, Mularkey and Williams, dropped out of interviews. Is this a vote of no-confidence or is it the egos of two coaches that won't allow them to work as the number two guy in the org?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 12, 2011 1:33 PM | Report abuse

It's never funny when your lawn chair gives way...at least not to you.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 1:29 PM |

It's God's way of telling you you've chugged too many brews and downed too many dogs.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 12, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Even my titanium reinforced lawn chair would collapse under the weight of your fat ass.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 12, 2011 1:25 PM |

Hey sh-t bag I will have you know my a$$ is not fat I'm a svelte 225 pounds, I just happen to buy cheap lawn chairs.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Saunders was a bad move. His philosophy was different than Gibbs'. It was Gibbs responsibility, and I believe a major reason why he walked away (not to downplay the death of Sean Taylor); his indicated plan up to that point was to move more towards the team president role, but with that plan in tatters, he would have had to fire Saunders.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 12, 2011 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Have to go to my daughters Basketball game, P1 agree to dis-agree on the Gibbs stuff.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 1:39 PM | Report abuse

redskinhead

I've said here in the past that the owners are asking for too much.


Heck yeah, especially seeing how to build new stadiums, they go to the public hat-in-hand, then charge big bucks for you to come see the game in the place your tax dollars help build.

The owners operate a business model where risk has been removed and the public fronts a lot of the reward.

Their ownership--especially the NFL--is obscenely profitable.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I don't usually talk about other teams here but I find it really interesting that after Elway was hired in Denver, two veteran coaches, Mularkey and Williams, dropped out of interviews. Is this a vote of no-confidence or is it the egos of two coaches that won't allow them to work as the number two guy in the org?

Posted by: RedSkinHead

Good point. Though I suspect they might not think Elway will be a good GM

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 12, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm done.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 1:28 PM | Report abuse


Thank goodness.

Posted by: p1funk | January 12, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of which, have we recently talked about how awesome it will be when the Redskins are back playing their home games within the District of Columbia? Because it will be totally awesome. I'll gladly pledge public money to building that new stadium.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 12, 2011 1:50 PM | Report abuse

redskinhead

I've said here in the past that the owners are asking for too much.

Heck yeah, especially seeing how to build new stadiums, they go to the public hat-in-hand, then charge big bucks for you to come see the game in the place your tax dollars help build.

The owners operate a business model where risk has been removed and the public fronts a lot of the reward.

Their ownership--especially the NFL--is obscenely profitable.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 1:41 PM
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You'll get no argument from me. The owners get too much and the players get too much. It is a pity that someone can't be involved in the negotiations that represents the fans. Maybe they would negotiate lower ticket prices, lower concession prices and put all of the games back on broadcast television.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 12, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 12, 2011 1:50 PM

Not going to happen before 2025.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 12, 2011 1:54 PM | Report abuse


I don't usually talk about other teams here but I find it really interesting that after Elway was hired in Denver, two veteran coaches, Mularkey and Williams, dropped out of interviews. Is this a vote of no-confidence or is it the egos of two coaches that won't allow them to work as the number two guy in the org?

Posted by: RedSkinHead

Good point. Though I suspect they might not think Elway will be a good GM

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 12, 2011 1:48 PM
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You're right. It's really Elway's first GM gig, so he might really stink at it; however, I've got a feeling he'll eventually get a handle on it. My intuition is he is going to be a "my way or the highway" kind of GM, and I know Williams wouldn't go for that.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 12, 2011 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Alright, after all this debate over Gibbs, now I'm curious. Out of Snyder's handpicked coaches how would you rank them? I'm going to throw Norval in for good measure... here's how I see it as of now:

#1. Gibbs 2.0
#2. Marty
#3. Shanahan
#4. Norval
#5. Zorn
#6. Spurrier

Posted by: Alan4 | January 12, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I'll gladly pledge public money to building that new stadium.

If you're Dan Snyder, you do that with a few conditions being set:

--someone (taxpayers) buys FEDEX Field as without the redskins' presence, it's a white elephant

--the league guarantees a Super Bowl, meaning whatever new facility is build must be retractable

--you'll grant parking/tolls to the municipality where the stadium is built provided you get tons o' tax breaks


..and where would just a facility be built anyways?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

..and where would just a facility be built anyways?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 1:58 PM

Right in the middle of The Mall would be sweet!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 2:01 PM | Report abuse

How many draft picks did carroll give up for someones 3rd string qb to play sparingly? People would roast shanny for doing that n 7-9 wouldn't have put us in playoffs

Posted by: hcicron | January 12, 2011 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Carroll took over a Seahawks team that plays in the worst division in football hence the 7-9 record wins the division.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 1:18 PM

On a tangent off this, I gotta say that the NFC East was not impressive this year. Even the Eagles seem like their wheels are falling off (and that is AFTER losing McNabb and Westbrook). Feels like every team in the NFC East had a bad season. I vaguely recall that NFC East used to be smashmouth football, but with Dallas' (and now Skins') 3-4 defense and NOBODY's running game, it was just mash ... no 's' and no mouth.

Posted by: dcsween | January 12, 2011 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Heck yeah, especially seeing how to build new stadiums, they go to the public hat-in-hand, then charge big bucks for you to come see the game in the place your tax dollars help build.

The owners operate a business model where risk has been removed and the public fronts a lot of the reward.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 1:41 PM |

Dude - good to see you are up to your usual FOS RI rants The 3 most profitable NFL orgs, the Skins, the Cows and the Gaints, all have stadiums built with private money.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 12, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

the main focus this offseason should be the draft.

Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 1:10 PM

Why do you think this? What does it even mean, opeationally? How would we know where the team's "main focus" is?

The Redskins have only seven draft selections, plus they will sign a few other undrafted free agents.

There will be about 500 free agents -- 15 per team. Redskins are also likely to cut several guys who aren't free agents. So the Redskins will add more guys through free agency, maybe twice as many, than through the draft.

But, I don't even understand what you mean when you say "main focus." Both are important, for different reasons. Free agents can step in right away and draft is about building for the future. There really shouldn't be a "main focus."

Posted by: beep-beep | January 12, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

redskinhead

I've said here in the past that the owners are asking for too much.

Heck yeah, especially seeing how to build new stadiums, they go to the public hat-in-hand, then charge big bucks for you to come see the game in the place your tax dollars help build.

The owners operate a business model where risk has been removed and the public fronts a lot of the reward.

Their ownership--especially the NFL--is obscenely profitable.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 1:41 PM
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You'll get no argument from me. The owners get too much and the players get too much. It is a pity that someone can't be involved in the negotiations that represents the fans. Maybe they would negotiate lower ticket prices, lower concession prices and put all of the games back on broadcast television.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

So true. Especially a football stadium. Here in the Bay Area, we have about 8 venues that can hold 20k or more people. 5 that can hold 40k or more. We have venues that can handle major concerts, etc.

The need for a 70,000-80,000 seat venue is pretty much for football only. It gets used 15 days a year. It doesn't provide much employment, other than construction. Public $$ make little sense.

Contrast it with baseball, which draws people 80+ dates/year. Or an arena, 100+ dates/year. These places draw visitors to local restaurants, etc.

Never understood why a region would want to pay for a football stadium.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 12, 2011 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Most intriguing playoff matchup?
By Washington Post editors

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1. Rex Ryan and his foot fetish videos VS. Bellichick and his football hoodies store

2. Good Cutler vs Bad Cutler

3. Ravens vs Steelers with paramedics and helicopter evacs on stanby outside Hines Field

4. Falcons vs Packers vs 3 ft of Snow

5. Greedy owners vs football players

6. Troy "duh" Aikman vs Lavar Arrington(pls Lavar sack the living daylights outta him one more time, I'm sick of his commentating)

Posted by: datruth21 | January 12, 2011 2:07 PM | Report abuse

it was just mash ... no 's' and no mouth.

Posted by: dcsween | January 12, 2011 2:02 PM

Plenty of mouth -- they all sucked.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 12, 2011 2:09 PM | Report abuse

It's never funny when your lawn chair gives way...at least not to you.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 1:29 PM

At least, yes. At most, think about it. Collapsing lawn chairs is the bread and butter filler for America's Funniest Home Videos, rivaled only be adult riding bicycle into tree and man getting hit in the groin with a football.

"Public money" reference from Portland native is mildly amusing. D.C. is about to get rocked as the red wave in the House washes over next year's appropriations. Congress (House and Senate) doesn't like the local team ... everyone is from somewhere else ... and its for gosh darn sure that no one there is thinking that either Dan Snyder or D.C. is going to get anything close to "stimulus." [Guns maybe, but not stadium funding.] The only way Skins get a new stadium is if they move to L.A.

Posted by: dcsween | January 12, 2011 2:12 PM | Report abuse

There really shouldn't be a "main focus."

Posted by: beep-beep | January 12, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

No crap, we have 7 draft picks and need a FS, Nickel CB, LOLB, RILB, RDE, NT, C, RG, LG, RT, RB, WR, P, LS, and QB. That's at least 15 needs and only 7 draft picks. We need to focus on the draft, FA, and hope some of our own guys come back from injury or are able to convert to new positions.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 12, 2011 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Good point. Though I suspect they might not think Elway will be a good GM

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 12, 2011 1:48 PM |

Bad point. In his own words, Lway disavows being a GM, or anything of any significance if you take him at his word:

In December 2010 Elway expressed interest in working as the Broncos top football executive after having dinner with Broncos owner Pat Bowlen. However he expressed no interest in being head coach or general manager after Josh McDaniels' firing, saying, "I'm not interested in being a head coach. I'm not interested in being a general manager. I don't have that kind of experience to be able to pick those players day in and day out and such."

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 12, 2011 2:15 PM | Report abuse

There really shouldn't be a "main focus."

Posted by: beep-beep | January 12, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

No crap, we have 7 draft picks and need a FS, Nickel CB, LOLB, RILB, RDE, NT, C, RG, LG, RT, RB, WR, P, LS, and QB. That's at least 15 needs and only 7 draft picks. We need to focus on the draft, FA, and hope some of our own guys come back from injury or are able to convert to new positions.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 12, 2011 2:15 PM | Report abuse

dcsween

On a tangent off this, I gotta say that the NFC East was not impressive this year.


Which is really the 'tough' NFC Division?

North: Minn, Chicago, Green Bay, Detriot

South: Tampa, Nawlins, ATL, Carolina

East: Washington, Philly, New York, Cowpukes


Each division has two solid two and two chump teams.

There's on 1 NFC West team and no NFC East left in the tournament.

The Falcons have the best record and the Saints were the defending champs.

The bucs are up and coming and the panthers awful.

The lions define mediocrity.

The vikes fell apart.

Two other NFC North teams (beaten by the redskins) are in the playoffs--does that mean that division is really the toughest?

No

And should we expect an NFC team to get beatdown in the Super Bowl?

Yes.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Santa Barbara, CA. In addition to being one of the best small cities in America--if least affordable--it boasts Mediterranean Climate, one of four areas in the world to do so.

But come on kids. When you DON'T have to go out, be somewhere, or worry about someone getting to you, what better time is there than a snowy winter's day, a warm fireplace, and 18 year old Single Malt.

Posted by: TheCork | January 12, 2011 12:15 PM |

Is that where you're at Cork? I'm just a little south in San Clemente. I frickin' love this place. But true about the snowy thing.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 12, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

America's Funniest Home Videos? Is that still on the air? I thought it died because of the collapsing lawn chairs and the pet videos.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 12, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Good point. Though I suspect they might not think Elway will be a good GM

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 12, 2011 1:48 PM |

Bad point. In his own words, Lway disavows being a GM, or anything of any significance if you take him at his word:

In December 2010 Elway expressed interest in working as the Broncos top football executive after having dinner with Broncos owner Pat Bowlen. However he expressed no interest in being head coach or general manager after Josh McDaniels' firing, saying, "I'm not interested in being a head coach. I'm not interested in being a general manager. I don't have that kind of experience to be able to pick those players day in and day out and such."

Posted by: LittleGreenBag

So why isn't he hiring the GM first?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 12, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

..and where would just a facility be built anyways?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 1:58 PM

Right in the middle of The Mall would be sweet!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 2:01 PM | Report abuse

with the Washington Monument planted at the 50 yd line!

Posted by: frediefritz | January 12, 2011 2:25 PM | Report abuse

moe
I see you mentioned the thought of mcnabb starting
I think there's a solid chance that happens unless we get offered a 4th for him.
Think about it, hell be in the second yr of the offense, so that was rex this yr, so he shouldn't get benched in the 2 mins.
He also had an extended rest period via the last 3 weeks off to heal up
Who knows maybe a healthier "mcsabb" as I've seen him called, will be a much improved player
Also some help on o line n d line could improve this teams overal play

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 12, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

This may have been posted already but:

Vernon Davis: “I’d love to catch passes from Donovan McNabb”
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 12, 2011, 12:07 PM EST
We know the 49ers’ quarterback of the future isn’t presently on the roster. Could he be on the Redskins roster?

“Oh man – I’d love to catch some passes from Donovan McNabb,” tight end Vernon Davis said on Tuesday’s T.Ocho Show, which continues to air despite being ignored by the Golden Globes.

“I saw some of the things he did with you when you were playing with him, and he did a great job getting you the ball,” Davis told Owens via Matt Barrows of the Sacramento Bee.

T.O. may not agree with Davis’ last point, but the speculation actually makes some sense. McNabb’s has played his whole career in the West Coast offense, even if he’s a better vertical passer than a true timing thrower.

Barrows points out that the 49ers could have gone after McNabb last offseason, but decided not to. McNabb’s play in Washington certainly hasn’t helped his market value.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 12, 2011 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Cork n scamp

Pasadena is pretty nice right now too

Def not as close to the pacific as you guys but it is gonna hit 75 today!!!

Gotta love shorts n tees in jan

I just hope my wife doesn't try to drag me to Disneyland today

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 12, 2011 2:31 PM | Report abuse

brandon_in_cali

I see you mentioned the thought of mcnabb starting...I think there's a solid chance that happens unless we get offered a 4th for him.

I mentioned it as it as a McNabb-Shanahan reconcilation makes sense but won't happen for two reasons:

--McNabb is way too expensive in '11

--I wonder if McNabb can reconcile with people who've dissed him twice

--finally, for him to really succeed, he needs to be somewhere there are elite playmakers who can make his poor throws great plays

Perhaps it's fantasy to think someone is going to drop a serious pick for McNabb.

Me?: I've moved on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Cork n scamp

Pasadena is pretty nice right now too

Def not as close to the pacific as you guys but it is gonna hit 75 today!!!

Gotta love shorts n tees in jan

I just hope my wife doesn't try to drag me to Disneyland today

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 12, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

It's never funny when your lawn chair gives way...at least not to you.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 1:29 PM

It's the Big Guy's way of telling you that you've chugged too many brews and downed too many dogs. That other poster saying he is a "svelte 225' is a real howler. First because you'd have to be a NBA power forward for the combo "svelte 225" to mean anything and second because the dud is probably more like a no-so-svelte 250 and his toilet seat desperately tries to unscrew itself every time it sees him heading its way.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 12, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Santa Barbara, CA. In addition to being one of the best small cities in America--if least affordable--it boasts Mediterranean Climate, one of four areas in the world to do so.

But come on kids. When you DON'T have to go out, be somewhere, or worry about someone getting to you, what better time is there than a snowy winter's day, a warm fireplace, and 18 year old Single Malt.

Posted by: TheCork | January 12, 2011 12:15 PM |

Is that where you're at Cork? I'm just a little south in San Clemente. I frickin' love this place. But true about the snowy thing.

Posted by: scampbell1975

Ahhh the good life. Sitting up here in the Bay Area. In the past month, short trips to Yosemite, Napa and Tahoe. Later today, I'll start picking oranges off my orange trees

If I want winter ... no problem. Most of the time, I don't want winter.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 12, 2011 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps it's fantasy to think someone is going to drop a serious pick for McNabb.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we just need to find a coach that's under some pressure to win now or start a new career on the right foot...

Looking at you Harbaugh and Jeff Fisher.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 12, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Moe

I've moved on also but only partly

I still have a 20 percent chance of him starting

My jusification, shannys multiple constant off season smoke screens

Who knows maybe donny eats dinner with shanny fam every Thursday n have thrown the wool over all our eyes?

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 12, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Moe, NFC gets beat if the Bears make another appearance in the Super Bowl again (who was that weasly QB who lost in the rain in Miami again? think think think ... Toucanfora?).

If its Green Bay or Atlanta, there is a chance, esp. if its not the Patriots or the Ravens repping the AFC.

Re: the Washington Monument in the middle of the field, next thing you know some teams are going to gripe about punters hitting it ... sheesh.

Posted by: dcsween | January 12, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Ahhh the good life. Sitting up here in the Bay Area. In the past month, short trips to Yosemite, Napa and Tahoe. Later today, I'll start picking oranges off my orange trees

If I want winter ... no problem. Most of the time, I don't want winter.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 12, 2011 2:33 PM

Very nice. Headed to Tahoe in May and Yosemite soon thereafter. I love those places. Yellowstone and the Tetons coming either this year or next.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 12, 2011 2:38 PM | Report abuse

So true. Especially a football stadium. Here in the Bay Area, we have about 8 venues that can hold 20k or more people. 5 that can hold 40k or more. We have venues that can handle major concerts, etc.

The need for a 70,000-80,000 seat venue is pretty much for football only. It gets used 15 days a year. It doesn't provide much employment, other than construction. Public $$ make little sense.

Contrast it with baseball, which draws people 80+ dates/year. Or an arena, 100+ dates/year. These places draw visitors to local restaurants, etc.

Never understood why a region would want to pay for a football stadium.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 12, 2011 2:05 PM
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Maybe they could build a stadium in an aircraft carrier and ship from port to port for every game... naw, I'm just picking on you Zeke. I know what you mean. I hate seeing under-utilized property and football stadiums have to be just below "abandoned buildings" as far as being effectively utilized. Maybe if there were a true farm system in the NFL you could have the farm teams play in the same stadiums on other days of the week, but that's a big "if".

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 12, 2011 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Cork n scamp

Pasadena is pretty nice right now too

Def not as close to the pacific as you guys but it is gonna hit 75 today!!!

Gotta love shorts n tees in jan

I just hope my wife doesn't try to drag me to Disneyland today

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 12, 2011 2:31 PM | Report abuse

With all those fault lines on the Left Coast, you might soon be closer to the water!

Posted by: frediefritz | January 12, 2011 2:39 PM | Report abuse

McNabb’s has played his whole career in the West Coast offense, even if he’s a better vertical passer than a true timing thrower.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 12, 2011 2:28 PM |

And he has played his whole career in the West Coast offense on the East Coast for Crissakes. Doncha think the dude deserves a chance to play in the West Coast offense on the West Coast?

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 12, 2011 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Despite common belief...toilet seats do not have thoughts, feelings or emotions.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they could build a stadium in an aircraft carrier and ship from port to port for every game

LOL

Posted by: frediefritz | January 12, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

LittleGreenBag

Doncha think the dude deserves a chance to play in the West Coast offense on the West Coast?

Me?: I like the Down South Offense.

That's the one where you hold a hand full of dollar bills and tell your lil honey to Git Low.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 2:45 PM | Report abuse

With all those fault lines on the Left Coast, you might soon be closer to the water!

Posted by: frediefritz | January 12, 2011 2:3

You know what's funny? As we were preparing to move all of the jealous people back in Ohio were using earthquakes as a way to say we might be making a mistake (justifying why they have to stay). Then Ohio gets hit with an earthquake and then Indiana. HA!!! They conveniently forgot about the tornados destroying the town right next to ours multiple times over the last 50 years.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 12, 2011 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Despite common belief...toilet seats do not have thoughts, feelings or emotions.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 2:41 PM

A couple of the ones that post up here act like they do.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 12, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Despite common belief...toilet seats do not have thoughts, feelings or emotions.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 2:41 PM |

And thankfully they don't have noses either.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 12, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they could build a stadium in an aircraft carrier and ship from port to port for every game...

I know, we could pull that carrier right into Haiti harbor, and play the Super Bowl right there. That would get the Haitian's minds off their problems, and bring a real economic shot of relief to the island.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 12, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

So true. Especially a football stadium. Here in the Bay Area, we have about 8 venues that can hold 20k or more people. 5 that can hold 40k or more. We have venues that can handle major concerts, etc.

The need for a 70,000-80,000 seat venue is pretty much for football only. It gets used 15 days a year. It doesn't provide much employment, other than construction. Public $$ make little sense.

Contrast it with baseball, which draws people 80+ dates/year. Or an arena, 100+ dates/year. These places draw visitors to local restaurants, etc.

Never understood why a region would want to pay for a football stadium.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 12, 2011 2:05 PM
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Maybe they could build a stadium in an aircraft carrier and ship from port to port for every game... naw, I'm just picking on you Zeke. I know what you mean. I hate seeing under-utilized property and football stadiums have to be just below "abandoned buildings" as far as being effectively utilized. Maybe if there were a true farm system in the NFL you could have the farm teams play in the same stadiums on other days of the week, but that's a big "if".

Posted by: RedSkinHead

Simply put, there isn't much use for a 75,000 person venue, especially if there are other venues of decent size nearby. In the Bay Area, we have football stadiums at Cal, Stanford, Candlestick and Oakland. Plus a baseball stadium in SF. Concerts get held at a couple more large outdoor venues and we have 2 arenas that can handle close to 20k. And, every so often, Golden Gate Park gets used for large events.

So what will a 75,000 seat football stadium actually bring beyond football? Would be smart if the 49ers and Raiders both used the same venue. But owner egos get in the way, and why taxpayers would pay for owner egos is beyond me.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 12, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Also, NFC South was toughest NFC Division this season.

Detroit will be better next year. New Orleans will be worse. Carolina will be just as bad. Vikings will be just as bad. Tampa Bay will be better. Chicago will remain erratic. The entire NFC East will be better. Green Bay will be better (depending on whether Rodgers remains Rodgers ... or becomes Bulger or Carson Palmer).

All of this assumes, of course, that there actually is NFL football next year.

Posted by: dcsween | January 12, 2011 2:53 PM | Report abuse

So what will a 75,000 seat football stadium actually bring beyond football? Would be smart if the 49ers and Raiders both used the same venue. But owner egos get in the way, and why taxpayers would pay for owner egos is beyond me.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 12, 2011 2:48 PM
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Al Davis won't help pay for a stadium. He still plans on moving the Raiders back to LA. He's just waiting for someone else to build a stadium there...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 12, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse


The Redskins have only seven draft selections, plus they will sign a few other undrafted free agents.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 12, 2011 2:04 PM |
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between trading down and trading the few players that are deemed trade-worthy, you're talking more than seven picks.

as I stated, FA is to compliment what is built thru the draft.


Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they could build a stadium in an aircraft carrier and ship from port to port for every game...

I know, we could pull that carrier right into Haiti harbor, and play the Super Bowl right there. That would get the Haitian's minds off their problems, and bring a real economic shot of relief to the island.

Posted by: frediefritz |

Now why didn't I think of that?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 12, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Despite common belief...toilet seats do not have thoughts, feelings or emotions.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 2:41 PM

Except for the blumpkin toilets that feel ignored and used.

Posted by: dcsween | January 12, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Ahhh the good life. Sitting up here in the Bay Area. In the past month, short trips to Yosemite, Napa and Tahoe. Later today, I'll start picking oranges off my orange trees

If I want winter ... no problem. Most of the time, I don't want winter.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 12, 2011 2:33 PM

Very nice. Headed to Tahoe in May and Yosemite soon thereafter. I love those places. Yellowstone and the Tetons coming either this year or next.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 12, 2011

Look at all of the left coasters talk about how great you have it and all the spots you visited and heading too. You know what......... You are right!

Being bi-coastal you get the best of both worlds. Did some skiing at Heavenly in Tahoe during X-Mas and just left the LA pad last week. Not sure if I could ever stay on either coast full time, unless its football season. That would make the choice easy, painful but easy....

Posted by: dcwun | January 12, 2011 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 12, 2011 2:48 PM |

Sounds like the purrfect place for a multi-client multi-use stadium. In the fall have Stan on Sat and Niners on Sun and on alternate weekends have Cal on Sat and Oak on Sun. Then reconfig the stadium for beesbol with the Giants and the A's alternating using it. You might have a few probs because the beesbol season bleeds into the fubol season. But think of it. One stadium for 6 teams. What tax payer wouldn't mind paying for a bargain like that! You might even go with the aircraft carrier concept where the ac would alternatively tie up on the east side or the west side of the bay!

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 12, 2011 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Being bi-coastal you get the best of both worlds. Did some skiing at Heavenly in Tahoe during X-Mas and just left the LA pad last week. Not sure if I could ever stay on either coast full time, unless its football season. That would make the choice easy, painful but easy....

Posted by: dcwun | January 12, 2011 3:03 PM |

I hear ya. I have places from Maine to Florida on the East Coast and everywhere in between that I love. Tennesse is a favorite as is Montana. Charleston and Savannah are great as long as it's not the dead of summer.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 12, 2011 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Charleston and Savannah are great as long as it's not the dead of summer.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 12, 2011 3:06 PM |

I like Miami and Phoenix in the dead of summer. It's nice and warm and you can walk around in a T and shorts.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 12, 2011 3:12 PM | Report abuse

All this talk about places that are warm in the summer reminds me of F DALLAS!!! F em, I hope they go 0-16 next year.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 12, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Being bi-coastal you get the best of both worlds.

Posted by: dcwun | January 12, 2011 3:03 PM

That's what SHE said!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 12, 2011 3:18 PM | Report abuse

That's what SHE said!


Posted by: Alan4 | January 12, 2011

I guess I set myself up for that one.....

Posted by: dcwun | January 12, 2011 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Seahawks v. Bears is the most intriguing matchup. Have no idea what to expect from either team.

Posted by: coparker5 | January 12, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse

offensive line beeps

Posted by: bangkokben | January 12, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I guess I set myself up for that one.....

Posted by: dcwun | January 12, 2011 3:20 PM

All in good fun.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 12, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I hear ya. I have places from Maine to Florida on the East Coast and everywhere in between that I love. Tennesse is a favorite as is Montana. Charleston and Savannah are great as long as it's not the dead of summer.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 12,

Spent a few weeks in Missoula back in the day. I will say that the thing you hear about the most being out west besides the earthquakes are the mudslides and fires. Southern Cali isn't built for bad weather.

I hear San Clemente has some issues these days....

Posted by: dcwun | January 12, 2011 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I hear ya. I have places from Maine to Florida on the East Coast and everywhere in between that I love. Tennesse is a favorite as is Montana. Charleston and Savannah are great as long as it's not the dead of summer.

Posted by: scampbell1975

Love Maine. Get back once a year. Kennebunkport. Only problem is when we have dinner with the Bushes, Barb is ALL hands.

Got a mug from a fav, the Wayfarer (Cape Porpoise) for Christmas.

Posted by: TheCork | January 12, 2011 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Most intriguing match of the weekend will probably be the Pats and Jets -- just because they sincerely respect each other.

Most combative will probably be Steelers and Ravens -- just because they sincerely dislike each other.

Packers and Falcons will probably be the most competitive -- as each tries to figure out who really deserves to be the conference champion.

While the Bears and Seahawks will probably coincide with or bring on my nap time.

Posted by: Vic1 | January 12, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

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