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MRIs on Trent Williams and Jammal Brown are negative

Redskins coach Mike Shanahan said Monday that MRI exams on offensive linemen Trent Williams and Jammal Brown were negative. "They're both OK. No surgery," Shanahan said at his weekly news briefing. But both are "quite sore," he said.

Williams, who had missed the previous two games with toe and knee injuries, appeared to reinjure his left knee during an interception runback by the Packers' Traymon Williams Sunday, when the Redskins defeated Green Bay 16-13. Brown was hurt toward the end of the first half when two players rolled up on his left leg.

Shanahan also said that he had advised wide receiver Devin Thomas, who was released by the Redskins Saturday, that he needed to make a "total commitment" to an offseason program in order to succeed in the NFL.

"Everyone's got a different mindset for what work means, what commitment means, what dedication means," Shanahan said when asked about Thomas's release.

He added: "This profession we're in is not based on talent, it's based on people working extremely hard."

Shanahan said he has "some strong feelings for Thomas," who, he said, had "grown up a lot" during the time Shanahan has been Washington's head coach.

Shanahan said it is still unclear when defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth will rejoin the team. Haynesworth is with his family after the death of his half-brother in a motorcycle accident Friday. Services are scheduled for Tuesday.

He said the decision to list offensive lineman Derrick Dockery as inactive for the first time in Dockery's eight-year career was made because of the need to have backups at various positions on the offensive line. That meant having lineman Will Montgomery available.

"He's been nothing but first class," Shanahan said of Dockery "I'm sure he didn't like it but at the same time he was v ery supportive" of Kory Lichtensteiger, who has beaten out Dockery for the starting left guard position.

"He said 'Mike, I'm going to make it very tough on you to keep Kory at that position."

By Rick Maese  | October 11, 2010; 3:40 PM ET
 
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I think players better start "getting it" around the Park or they may be the next ones out the door.

Personally, I love it. It's been a long time coming around here.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | October 11, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Glad to hear both lineman don't have a serious injury. Hopefully both will be ready to go against the Colts, they are desperately needed. Especially Williams.

Posted by: 72Redskins | October 11, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

So both Lichtensteiger and Montgomery are better than Dock? I'd like to see the film they based that on. Neither of them can hold up at the point of attack. I know Dockery isn't ideal for Shanahan's blocking scheme, but sometimes you have to make do. At least Dock can hold his own and not get driven into the backfield on every play. Anyone ask McNabb who he wants starting?

Posted by: Iamhumongous | October 11, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Some of those quotes make me think Thomas' time in DC may not be forever finished.

Keiland Williams was cut the re-signed.

So was Brandon Banks.

Torain was cut in preseason, then re-signed in the regular season.

Those guys were lucky enough to be eligible for the practice squad, however. They were able to earn themselves a spot in practice.

Thomas may not be done yet. I bet someone takes a chance on him pretty soon, but if not, he may yet receive another opportunity with this team. Sooner or later, Roydell Williams simply won't cut it anymore.

Posted by: psps23 | October 11, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

On another subject, how nice would it be to have Flozell Adams on the roster right about now? I guess the Steelers don't know anything about putting a team together and were suckered into signing him.

Posted by: Iamhumongous | October 11, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

On another subject, how nice would it be to have Flozell Adams on the roster right about now? I guess the Steelers don't know anything about putting a team together and were suckered into signing him.

Posted by: Iamhumongous | October 11, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

No thanks. Jammal is playing well and we should be able to keep him around for a few years. He's younger and more athletic.

Posted by: Devo2 | October 11, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

On another subject, how nice would it be to have Flozell Adams on the roster right about now? I guess the Steelers don't know anything about putting a team together and were suckered into signing him.

Posted by: Iamhumongous | October 11, 2010 3:58 PM |

Thought the same thing. If a team is going to sign folks off the scrap-heap, at least make sure they are all over 6'4" and 300+ lbs.

It's like saving a half a sandwich when you leave a restaurant. Almost not even worth the trouble but when you're grubbing during Sunday's pre-game shows, you're SOOOOO glad it was there.

Book that sh*t.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 11, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Re: DT shanny admits it wasn't about talent or skills it was about shannys personal BS

banks is a snitch and celebrated excessively, but that's OK.

Banks is a liability, like expensive rims on a car that don't help the car perform any better.

Only a matter of time til banks fumbles gets hurt and DT succeeds elsewhere.

Bake it!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 11, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Even Heyer laughs at the amount of laundry thrown on the field around Flozell.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 11, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Thinking Man

"Thomas NEVER did...Period.

Please do not think I'm a Devin Thomas defender.

What I am is a VJAX acquirer.

Get it right.....

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 11, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Only a matter of time til banks fumbles gets hurt and DT succeeds elsewhere.

Bake it!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 11, 2010 4:13 PM

Go be an annoying "fan" of that team when it happens. I like the way those expensive rims set us up for two scores yesterday.

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 11, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

banks is a snitch and celebrated excessively, but that's OK.

Banks is a liability, like expensive rims on a car that don't help the car perform any better.

Only a matter of time til banks fumbles gets hurt and DT succeeds elsewhere.

Bake it!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 11, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

You suck, have some Kool-Aid you Debbie Downer.

Posted by: iH8dallas | October 11, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Flozell is not a long term solution, duh...does anyone think Heyer is? All I'm saying is we could have signed the guy off the street and still traded for Brown. Then we would be pretty well set. Anyone who thinks Heyre is better than Flozell is dumb enough to work in the skins front office. Now, we have two hurting tackles and the replacements are likely to get someone killed. That is, if backers blitzing untouched up the A gap past Shanny's boy Lichstensteiger don't get there first.

Posted by: Iamhumongous | October 11, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

DT to the Carolina Panthers.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 11, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Only a matter of time til banks fumbles gets hurt and DT succeeds elsewhere.

Bake it!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 11, 2010 4:13 PM

Go be an annoying "fan" of that team when it happens. I like the way those expensive rims set us up for two scores yesterday.

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 11, 2010 4:16 PM |

Isn't it only a matter of time before everyone that carries the ball fumbles...or gets hurt?

You want to say Banks is like a car with nice rims? I say he's a Mini-Cooper with a Porsche twin turbo engine. Who cares what the rims look like at 150MPH?

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 11, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

IH8dallas, no thanks I've had enough cool aid over the last decade.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 11, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I give props to Shanny for not punching whoever asked him about DT. Some of these reporters are dumb as rocks.

Posted by: themantoyou | October 11, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

i agree with pab2003 about banks on one front: that twitpic was a b#@%! move on every level.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 11, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Banks may not have a long career in the NFL. But who really knows?

Mark McMillan played corner in the 1990's for the Eagles, Saints and later the Redskins for a brief period and he was 5'7 and 180.

One thing IS for certain. Banks has made his presence felt on returns, and if the coverage teams didn't commit so many penalties he would have finished the day averaging 30 yards per return.

Not bad for an undrafted free agent that went through waivers.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | October 11, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas signed with the Carolina Panthers.

Posted by: swowra | October 11, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: oh_boy1 | October 11, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Only a matter of time til banks fumbles gets hurt and DT succeeds elsewhere.

Bake it!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 11, 2010 4:13 PM

It is also a matter of time before Banks take one or two to the house. You still can't teach speed!

Posted by: JohnWWW | October 11, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I agree, only a matter of time before Banks takes one to the house. Hell, more than one. He looks comfortable and confident back there, and has caught and secured the ball well on punts and kicks.
As far as him getting injured, any player is at risk of getting injured, the size is irrelavent. Actually he appears to be pretty tough and strong for his size.

Buchannon returning punts was a joke, actually worse than ARE. At least ARE attempted to return SOME punts.

Posted by: 72Redskins | October 11, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

The best OL lineup is Lichtensteiger at center and Dockery at guard. I dont know why folks cannot see that Rabach is overmatched every single game. He's pathetic. Portis had it right 3 years ago....Rabach and Sellers cannot block consistently.

Posted by: tramellcanady | October 11, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

The best OL lineup is Lichtensteiger at center and Dockery at guard. I dont know why folks cannot see that Rabach is overmatched every single game. He's pathetic. Portis had it right 3 years ago....Rabach and Sellers cannot block consistently.

Posted by: tramellcanady | October 11, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

The best OL lineup is Lichtensteiger at center and Dockery at guard. I dont know why folks cannot see that Rabach is overmatched every single game. He's pathetic. Portis had it right 3 years ago....Rabach and Sellers cannot block consistently.

Posted by: tramellcanady | October 11, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas didn't get it, and he was cut. I have no problem with that. It's not like he's a regular guy who lost a job and has to eat out of a garbage can. Someone will pick him up, and he's already made a lot of money with the Redskins.
When new coaches take over, they want their kind of players. Think back to George Allen and his overhaul of the burgundy and gold in 1971. Shanny gave Thomas time to fit in and get with the program, but he didn't. If Thomas goes on to have a great career, I'll bet he'll look back at this as the turning point, and he'll thank Shanny for the reality check. We all need a reality check sometimes.
Shanny is changing the culture of this team. It started with acquiring McNabb, a tremendous winner and leader. Having McNabb, a guy who has seen it all, had to make a huge difference in the huddle against the Packers. That's the kind of game the sons of Washington used to lose. This transformation of the team is a process, and it won't happen overnight. But the Redskins are on the right track, and I'm going to enjoy the eventual ride to a Super Bowl.

Posted by: gaspeny | October 11, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

I didn't like the fact that Banks threw DT under the bus with the cell phone snapshot in the team meetings that is more than bi#ch like, remember chump you could be next. I wonder did Shanahan ever try and pull DT asisde and say "hey young man you've got talent but working hard is the way to get some serious pt" well he's in Carolina now lets see how that works out.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 11, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Why are you complaining about Banks? Are you guys so blind as to think that the coaches didn't already know devin was sleeping in meetings? It is confirmed that Shanny has talked to Devin at least THREE TIMES about what it took to be a PROFESSIONAL and he never got it. THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR HIM, so he's gone get over it.

And why are you guys bashing Banks? Cause he took a picture of Devin sleeping? Really? Like the coaches looking right at him didn't notice....yeah okay. Whatever you want to believe...Banks has improved in his punt and kick returning abilities and has become more consistent in just a few weeks. Can you honestly say devin has improved at all since he's been here? He is just as inconsistent and drops the ball just as many times as his rookie year. Banks and Armstrong have way more upside than devin does, he's only so good and he wont get better.

It terms of Trent Williams and Jammal Brown, I'm really glad that its not serious and at least one of them plays next week, cause we will need them against the Colts.

Posted by: culprit59 | October 11, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

roydell williams has actually been getting open, but McNabb hasn't had much of a chance to look down to the #3 guy on the field. i would actually replace galloway with roydell. his catch totals would rise above galloways, IMO.

Posted by: destewar | October 11, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

I like what smsg had to say about Devin Thomas when he was drafted. Basically, it makes him sound a whole lot like a taller/stronger Desmond Howard. Seems to have turned out that way. I still think Malcom Kelly is a solid WR if he stays healthy and doesn't get cut first. Unfortunately, we've never seen him 100% and the odds are stacked against ever seeing him that way.

It looks pretty clear that:

#1 Armstrong is the new #2 WR in town.
#2 It is only a matter of time before Banks sees a few plays a game at WR.
#3 Terrence Austin is going to replace Galloway or Williams by the end of the season, if not much sooner as the guy standing next to Banks on KRs.
#4 The Redskins are going to take an DT, OG, and WR with their first three picks in the 2011 draft, assuming no labor stoppage.
#5 Donovan McNabb still loses the grip on many throws, but in spite of that is one of the top 5 QBs in the NFL by way of leadership and determination and should be signed to an extension real soon. His clock management skills finally seemed to have been improved after more than a decade in the league too...good time for a late blooming.

Posted by: zickzack | October 11, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas needed a change in scenery. He may have thought he had shown commitment, he may have talked about how hard he was working, he may have even believed he was working hard enough, but his level of commitment was never to Shanny's satisfaction.

Steinberg's post regarding Landry's weird pregame ritual is the very picture of commitment. Hopefully the embarrassment of getting cut and hearing the same message from a different coaching staff will transform potential into results.

Posted by: dannykurland1 | October 11, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Shanny demoting Dock is pretty interesting. I can say this about the coaching staff vs. the past few we've had. Shanny and company know what they want and what they are after. Personally I wouldn't have cut DT but it certainly sends a message. Be here for everything and 100% committed or be gone. DT isn't going to get a better contract than he had here unless he suddenly turns into an All Pro.
We need some OLs and WRs. Then DEs and LBs.
At least we now have proof the Skins are headed in the right direction.

Posted by: neil64 | October 12, 2010 1:19 AM | Report abuse

Kory is a bum. He is going to get DM killed. He can move nobody off the line in the run and can't pick up the blist.

Posted by: jfrost8171 | October 12, 2010 2:19 AM | Report abuse

Re: DT shanny admits it wasn't about talent or skills it was about shannys personal BS

banks is a snitch and celebrated excessively, but that's OK.

Banks is a liability, like expensive rims on a car that don't help the car perform any better.

Only a matter of time til banks fumbles gets hurt and DT succeeds elsewhere.

Bake it!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 11, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse
Hopefully it's just a matter of time before you get a handle on the English language! Geez!! Bake that!!! LOL

Posted by: clwalker1906 | October 12, 2010 3:56 AM | Report abuse

Well, they lucked out with the MRI's on Williams and Brown, especially Williams-who got re-injured on that bonehead hail-mary pass-but Lichtensteiger almost got McNabb killed twice on blizes by missing the LB, and Mongomery can't move anybody out...so I don't know how they're better than Dockery..

Posted by: bromisky | October 12, 2010 5:23 AM | Report abuse

Well, they lucked out with the MRI's on Williams and Brown, especially Williams-who got re-injured on that bonehead hail-mary pass-but Lichtensteiger almost got McNabb killed twice on blizes by missing the LB, and Mongomery can't move anybody out...so I don't know how they're better than Dockery..

Posted by: bromisky | October 12, 2010 5:24 AM | Report abuse

I like what smsg had to say about Devin Thomas when he was drafted. Basically, it makes him sound a whole lot like a taller/stronger Desmond Howard. Seems to have turned out that way. I still think Malcom Kelly is a solid WR if he stays healthy and doesn't get cut first. Unfortunately, we've never seen him 100% and the odds are stacked against ever seeing him that way.

It looks pretty clear that:

#1 Armstrong is the new #2 WR in town.
#2 It is only a matter of time before Banks sees a few plays a game at WR.
#3 Terrence Austin is going to replace Galloway or Williams by the end of the season, if not much sooner as the guy standing next to Banks on KRs.
#4 The Redskins are going to take an DT, OG, and WR with their first three picks in the 2011 draft, assuming no labor stoppage.
#5 Donovan McNabb still loses the grip on many throws, but in spite of that is one of the top 5 QBs in the NFL by way of leadership and determination and should be signed to an extension real soon. His clock management skills finally seemed to have been improved after more than a decade in the league too...good time for a late blooming.

Posted by: zickzack | October 11, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Nice points, zick. However, regarding #5, I think it's usually best to let a contract year play out, especially with no CBA. I'd give him a contract ONLY if they can pay 80% this year, without impacting the 2011 cap.

Other than Brady and a few other rare exceptions NO NFL teams are signing anybody to long-term, big-money contracts for this reason.

Regarding #2, I sure hope you're right. I don't think they need a WR as much as they need linemen.

Posted by: jboogie1 | October 12, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

All you Banks haters, say what you want. When was the last time you saw a team kick away from a Redskin returner? I saw that Sunday for the first time in 20 years.

Posted by: CROSSHugger | October 12, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Lichtensteiger is quite possibly the worst lineman on the squad. Not sure what film Shanahan is watching. His man went around him untouched on several plays. Dock is light years ahead of that fat stiff.

Posted by: RunninUteDB | October 12, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan says, "This profession we're in is not based on talent, it's based on people working extremely hard."

Oh dear. It's probably equal parts of both. If Shanahan wants a team of hard-working men with good character but mediocre talent, this will never be a super bowl team under Shanahan.

Posted by: skinsfaninca | October 12, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan says, "This profession we're in is not based on talent, it's based on people working extremely hard."

Oh dear. It's probably equal parts of both. If Shanahan wants a team of hard-working men with good character but mediocre talent, this will never be a super bowl team under Shanahan.

Posted by: skinsfaninca | October 12, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Belichik and Cowher seem to have the same attitudes, but it hasn't held them back. You'd think the new philosophy of out-working your opponents would be welcome.

Posted by: jboogie1 | October 12, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan says, "This profession we're in is not based on talent, it's based on people working extremely hard."

Oh dear. It's probably equal parts of both. If Shanahan wants a team of hard-working men with good character but mediocre talent, this will never be a super bowl team under Shanahan.

Posted by: skinsfaninca | October 12, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

That's why the Cowboys have had so much success, lately. Because of all their "talent."

I, for one, enjoy Shanahan's dismissal of "talent", because every year we hear to "experts" talk about how "talented" Dallas is. But, they never deliver on it. A few years ago they had 11 starters in the pro-bowl, but couldn't win a playoff game.

Eat your "talent" because the worst teams, talent-wise, aren't much worse the

Posted by: jboogie1 | October 12, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

DT should have been traded to the Cowboys. That way, their apologists could have one more example of how "talented" the Cowboys are. I mean, how can you possibly lose 10 games when you have Thomas, Bryant, Roy Williams, and Miles Austin as recievers? Romo at QB? Barber/Jones? And, my favorite, DeMarcus Ware!!! How could it happen??!!!!!

To think that Shanahan could have gone to the Cowboys makes me laugh inside.

Posted by: jboogie1 | October 12, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

All you Banks haters, say what you want. When was the last time you saw a team kick away from a Redskin returner? I saw that Sunday for the first time in 20 years.

Posted by: CROSSHugger | October 12, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse
_________

Good point. I noticed the same thing. It's nice to have a guy returning punts, especially, that might do something. With ARE was back there last year, punt returns were basically bathroom breaks, unless you wanted to watch to see if he'd drop a fair catch or not...

Posted by: mistergone | October 13, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

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