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My Head Hurts - Too Many Numbers

Okay, if you want a breakdown of the Skins current cap situation and a whole bunch of contract stuff previously un-reported, check out the paper tonight or washingtonpost.com late tonight (10:30? 11? whenever they post that stuff) and you'll get all you can handle (assuming they don't edit a lot of that out of the story, in which case I'll get it to you guys on the blog in the AM).

I'll be making calls and sending emails for a few more hours and will stay on top of the madness as best I can.

By Jason La Canfora  |  March 6, 2007; 8:50 PM ET
 
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Comments

Me first

Posted by: oc skins | March 6, 2007 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Jason,

Where's Lavar Arrigton ?

Posted by: Oscar From Boynton Beach, FL | March 6, 2007 9:20 PM | Report abuse

lisa, i can bet my life that i had a worst day than you did.

Posted by: dealer | March 6, 2007 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Jason:

Thanks so much for all the updates. They are addicting. Being a big Skins fan having these constant updates are amazing and much appreciated, I keep logging on to see what's next.

Regards,
Mike

Posted by: Mike | March 6, 2007 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Man this is very cool, Jason is getting more info than anybody else out there, keep up the good work

Posted by: Craig | March 6, 2007 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Did you catch barca liverpool between the madness..we need to go over when our kids are older

Posted by: BIG J | March 6, 2007 9:37 PM | Report abuse

dealer, don't count on it.

Where did all these new people come from?

Did someone do a PR job for the blog???

Posted by: Lisa | March 6, 2007 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Dealer, did you see the Wizards game tonight? Fabulous!!! After my bad day, I figured they would get blown out by Toronto but they were amazing tonight!

Posted by: Lisa | March 6, 2007 9:44 PM | Report abuse

I remember having to find bars to go that had sat. tv before directv. Now I get skins 24/7. this blog has been the worst....I mean the best thing..I get nothing done at work, nothing done at home... but I am totally informed and enlighted

Posted by: Old School | March 6, 2007 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Old School, I know exactly what you mean. Never thought I would become a "blogger." But I am such a Skins lover and no one I know shares my passion - or wants to converse with me all day long about it. Most of the women I work with know nothing about football....

Posted by: Lisa | March 6, 2007 9:50 PM | Report abuse

The Wiz looked great tonight. I'm so hoping they win the east this year!

Nice to see it's calmed down on here tonight, ever since Friday it's been crazy, I guess FA will bring that out in people.

Posted by: allstar | March 6, 2007 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Johnson - I'm watching the game in Tivo right. what a game. first 20 minuytes great. my favorite Lpool player - John Arne Risse, the Norwegian Nightmare, is unleashing some left-footed bombs from like 35 out. that dude can kill the ball.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | March 6, 2007 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Lisa, didn't mean to intrude on your blog, was just hunting for some Skins news and found it

Posted by: Craig | March 6, 2007 10:14 PM | Report abuse

dealer/Lisa - I'm tempted to throw my hat into the sh*%test day ever sweepstakes, but I think Scooter Libby may have us all beat.

Adam

Posted by: EaglesFan | March 6, 2007 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Craig, it's not my blog :-) Everyone's welcome.....I was just asking because the last few days there have been so many names I have never seen.

Posted by: Lisa | March 6, 2007 10:26 PM | Report abuse

crap Sorry to ruin it..

I watched the whole thing on my computer

Man U tomorrow

Most ridiculous show ever "real" housewives

of orange county on bravo....

Posted by: BIG J | March 6, 2007 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Lisa,

Can't speak for all newbies, but I've been reading for months with just a couple of posts until now. I've gotten to know most of your personalities, glean some background on folk (I went to JMU just like ChrisLarry, for instance and he made me miss PC Dukes hot ham and cheese) and generally know where my voice would fit in. I had half a mind to meet up with with the RI guys on Capitol Hill until I realized that nobody would know who I was even if I'd recognize thier online identities. Mostly, I was reading at the end of the night AFTER you all had BYGO, so it was more of a review than an active conversation for me.

However, with the start of UFA, being a Redskin nut and with all of the breaking news from JLC over the past few days, I was online checking all the time and felt like I could add my 2 cents while things were happening.

Of course from my perspective it seemed natural to post since I already was familiar with your voices, but you all didn't know me. I was mad that all the newbies screwed it up for you regulars, because those that joined in kinda get lumped in with the Great Blog War Gang.

Posted by: Skinny | March 6, 2007 10:45 PM | Report abuse

No way Barca can come back from 2 away goals .... Wait until tonight, when Lille try to get revenge on Man U for that controversial free kick.

Posted by: Paps in Manila | March 6, 2007 11:01 PM | Report abuse

skinny -- night time is the right time -- you get the chance to hear from the west coast -- Nate's post-super bowl action must go down in the annals of RI blogging as a real classic (although not eligible for the hall of fame because it was chemically enhanced), or the recent (was that Friday night?) jm220 soliloquy -- all alone, all night.

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 6, 2007 11:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm with SKinny, been reading everything since almost day one (I skipped December and January...I know I'm such a loser!)and thought I would start posting but trying not to sound like a troll.

Posted by: heath1030 | March 6, 2007 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the info, Skinny - welcome to the blog. The new peeps blogging the past two days seem cool:-)- unlike the "angry people" over the weekend.

Posted by: Lisa | March 6, 2007 11:21 PM | Report abuse

If the Redskins are going to do this Bly stuff, they are going to get 3 picks back from Denver. They basically have to.

Denver picks too low in the first two rounds for just the 1st and 2nd rounders along with Bly to do it.

The reason for that is on the draft chart the 'Skins and Broncos use (which Cerrato handed out to the press a couple years ago after the J.C. deal), just the Broncos 1st and 2nd along with Bly would mean valuing Bly as a mid-2nd rounder in order to equal the #6 in total points.

That is a very high valuation of Bly and surely not agreeable for the 'Skins.

If you throw in the Redskins old 3rd rounder, which Denver obviously has now, Bly is then valued as a high to mid 3rd rounder in the deal.

That seems like the proper valuation for Bly.

So the Redskins, to get equal value for the #6, would receive Denver's 1st, 2nd, and their old 3rd rounder back (which is obviously high in that round) along with Bly.

That according to the draft chart both teams use.

Who the Redskins want at #21 I'm not sure, I just seriously doubt Okoye will be there. Every credible mock I've seen has him going anywhere from #10 to #15.

I personally think Denver wants Branch.

Posted by: Leon | March 6, 2007 11:23 PM | Report abuse

well, you succeeded in that 1120 post, heath1030: smooth and proper use of the term "troll."

Posted by: stevie in ct | March 6, 2007 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Question: If Bly is so good, why is he on his 3rd team at age 29?

Also, I did not watch many Lions games (did catch the last game with the Cowboys -which was GREAT!) but last I heard their team was worse than ours!

Posted by: Lisa | March 6, 2007 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, I have the EXACT same reaction re: Bly. You never hear people raving about him (maybe I've been deaf to the Lions' news, however). I don't even think Shawn is all that cute and I think keeping him would be best.

Wait, meant to say: I don't think Shawn is cute AT ALL. Right, that's what I meant.

Posted by: stevie in ct | March 6, 2007 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, Stevie...I'm with you guys. What is so great about Bly? What will he bring that Springs doesn't? I like that we may get a boatload of picks but I can't help but feel that this has the making of an Archibingus.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | March 6, 2007 11:59 PM | Report abuse

welcome skinny! dont apologize I am pretty sure we can seperate you from the...

"you skins fans are fart knockers and JLaC is a vinny kiss ass clown, grow up losers!!"

type newbies...

Posted by: chris larry | March 7, 2007 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Guys, just did a quick side-by-side on Springs and Bly over their careers. Here's what I see:

Tackle stats are famously inaccurate but they're close enough that I consider it a wash. (Might want to say that since Shawn has more, he's stouter against the run - or if Bly's man catches it he takes it to the house, but whatever.) It appears that Springs (over the first eight years of his career - where Bly is now) has significantly fewer interceptions (25 to 33) and passes defensed (70-81). What does that mean to me? It means Bly gets thrown at, nothing more. Springs seems to have a better "rep" amongst the cognoscenti (nice, eh?) and so I'd bet he gets thrown at less. I'd love to see catches and TDs allowed, which I'm sure someone compiles somewhere but I haven't found it.

What does Bly have going for him? Two things: he's never played fewer than 12 games in a season and he's two years younger. (Shawn is STILL a year younger than me. DAMN I'm getting old. Don't FEEL old . . . anyway, back to business.) I don't know about contract implications.

Oh, and Lisa, you'll have to pipe in about the "easy on the eyes" portion of this debate, but I'm pretty sure I know who wins.

Posted by: stevie in ct | March 7, 2007 12:18 AM | Report abuse

One thing is Bly is an interception machine, which we sorely miss

Posted by: chris larry | March 7, 2007 12:20 AM | Report abuse

rereading my post, I thought of another way you could skin this (sorry - pun INtended): compare over the course of each player's first 119 games - again, where Bly sits now. Despite playing two more seasons, Shawn's only played in 13 more games, and again, the stats change little even looking at only 119.

Posted by: stevie in ct | March 7, 2007 12:23 AM | Report abuse

damn damn. I missed the opportunity at 12:20 above to use the words "hizzy" and "cognoscenti" in the same paragraph. Went with "house": BOOR-RIING.

Posted by: stevie in ct | March 7, 2007 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Is there any guarantee this defense is any better with Springs as opposed to Bly? Frankly, if for nothing else, this trade favors the Skins, so long as they get more picks in the deal. They need a lot of help on the defensive line, as well as depth and a guard on the offensive line. The Skins have to make this deal because they can draft more players and in the hopes of plugging more holes. And frankly, I don't think Bly is going to be considerably worse than Springs. If the deal Jason outlined is accurate, then the Redskins have to make it. More picks are better than one first-round pick.

Posted by: Colin | March 7, 2007 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Colin, definitely the picks make the trade worth it, but 1) Lisa and I were simply trying to figure out who Bly is (not literally, but you know, in the Dennis Green sense - and the comparison to Springs being the obvious, common-sense one) and 2) this trade is so good that it looks TOO good. I'm not saying it isn't gonna happen or that I don't want it to, just that it would be out of character for Shanahanahan and the Broncs.

Posted by: stevie in ct | March 7, 2007 12:54 AM | Report abuse

On what channel does one watch soccer?

I LOVED the World Cup last summer and was aghast to find out (through this blog) last year that they don't hold the World Cup every year. How lame. You think Lombardi would have stood for that nonsense? No, I think not.

Nevertheless, I tried watching the MLS but it kept putting me to sleep. So, I'm curious, where does one watch people kicking the round ball around in a highly competitive and interesting fashion?

Anyone win $370M? If you did, you're buying.

Posted by: P Diddy | March 7, 2007 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Fox Soccer Channel ("F-S-C!") is about the best we have in the States, P. I think JLaC and some other regulars here may have a subscription to some special cable channel or directTV-style programming, but FSC is on just about every U.S. upper-level cable package (i.e., of the sort I'm sure you've got).

Posted by: stevie in ct | March 7, 2007 1:19 AM | Report abuse

and no, I ain't won shti.

Posted by: stevie in ct | March 7, 2007 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Diddy -

Not sure about finding soccer on cable networks, as I don't live in the US. (And we don't have TIVO - thanks to J-La for rubbing that in!!) But there is quite a bit you can find now streamed live over the internet. Check out:

www.tvunetworks.com
www.coolstreaming.it

UEFA Champions League is pretty intense stuff. Definitely worth watching. MLS is getting better but still not the quality of English Premier League, Spanish La Liga, etc.

Posted by: Paps in Manila | March 7, 2007 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Did someone do a PR job for the blog???

Posted by: Lisa | March 6, 2007 09:43 PM

Lisa,

I think the reason may be because Jason's info is being picked up (and credited and linked) on several generic NFL sites/blogs on the internets. While the weekend war was ugly, my guess is that we may also be seeing some of the nicer people from ES (like Inigo) visiting more frequently as well.

It would be nice to have an unofficial list of regular posters. It might help identify those lurkers who only post once in a great while (and maybe avoid name conflicts, like Skinny and skinny, as seen on the previous thread).

P.S. For all newcomers: are you aware that there are semi-unofficial blog
t-shirts available? A portion of the purchase price for each item sold goes to charity/relief efforts in New Orleans.

http://www.cafepress.com/redskinsinsider

Contact "Nate in the PDX" (nateinthepdx@gmail.com) with questions/comments/ideas.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | March 7, 2007 4:41 AM | Report abuse

Just read the Wednesday article by Jason regarding Bly and the cap situation. It's interesting stuff. I don't think Shawn will be thrilled after reading it, however.

Nice work as always, JLaC.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | March 7, 2007 4:49 AM | Report abuse

Looks like they have their wires crossed again in Dallas.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6532512

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | March 7, 2007 5:38 AM | Report abuse

Click the link in the below-listed article and see where it takes you.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/news/2007/03/redskins-and-broncos-could-swap-picks.html

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | March 7, 2007 5:49 AM | Report abuse

It should be fun at the top of the draft board in April.

http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/2007/03/could_minnesota_trade_out_of_n.html

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | March 7, 2007 5:53 AM | Report abuse

If we get bly I want to know now is he an upgrade from springs? I want to get people on the record now in case he doesnt come? I dont want people saying hes better just because hes here and springs is gone?

Posted by: charlie | March 7, 2007 6:42 AM | Report abuse

I think the biggest issue with the trade is the fact that dre wants to be in washington so bad and springs lately has been a little difficult to deal with. There's also the health issue because if it weren't for that I'd rather have springs. I can see no advantage in getting Bly other than the addition of draft picks.

Posted by: big pisano | March 7, 2007 7:30 AM | Report abuse

This is what I see happening: The Skins foolishly make a trade with Denver. Dre Bly gets hurt early leaving us with only Smoot, Rogers (and Jimoh - he just resigned) at corner. We keep getting beat in the secondary and have another horrid season.

Springs goes to Denver where he plays every game and leads the NFL in interceptions.....sound familiar?

Bet on it.....

Posted by: Lisa | March 7, 2007 7:48 AM | Report abuse

One thing to consider about why this trade looks so good compared to previous trades with Denver is that for once, the skins seem to have the upper hand.

1. We have the #6 pick and they want it.

2. Dre Bly doesn't wants to be a Lancer, not a Donkey. (Nice nickname, skinswest)

3. Based on their offseason moves, Denver seems to be the team trying to load up for a Super Bowl run. We know how desparate that can make a team.

Maybe I'm just trying to convince myself.

Posted by: etrod | March 7, 2007 7:50 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, will you marry me?

Posted by: Ron | March 7, 2007 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Okay both Adam Schefter and Pat Kirwan on NFL.com are playing it like the Skins are willing to trade Betts. Someone tell me if they are just idiots over there who don't do their research or are they getting info that JLC can't somehow get? I mean I feel in my gut that No 46 should retire in BigRed. But I felt that way with LaVar back in the pre-Gibbs era.

Posted by: 35332 | March 7, 2007 7:57 AM | Report abuse

charlie I don't think he is an upgrade. He is younger and haven't had the injuries that Springs has. I really don't believe Springs is going to last 16 games. With all the problems we have on D the picks to me is the reason to make the trade.

Posted by: jm220 | March 7, 2007 7:59 AM | Report abuse

35332 - They just signed Travis Henry and The skins just extended Betts. Coach Joe seems pretty intent on Portis/Betts next season so I, for one, don't see it happening. Doesn't mean it won't happen but I can't see it.

Posted by: etrod | March 7, 2007 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Yeah I'm with you Skinny. I read two blogs everyday, Jason's for football and a guy from another local newspaper for the Orioles. With it being tax season now, have found this blog to be a great time-out from work during the day. I just happened to post first on "invasion day" and since then have been a little skittish about posting for fear of being lumped in with the troll brigade. It's just nice to find a few loyal fans even if some are displaced around the country.

Posted by: allstar | March 7, 2007 8:22 AM | Report abuse

I keep coming back to the notion that Cap'n Bly arrived in Devner in a preemptively disgruntled state, pouting about not getting the $nyder shower of Franklins he was tempted with. So he's not happy where he is, and he wants the fat new contract he feels entitled to.

And our FO has alienated Springs by asking him to take a pay cut, though they may be making amends behind the scenes.

So we're thinking hard about two unhappy corners, one already in house. I don't know what to conclude, except that our new and very welcome spirit of Responsible Personnel Management might be making us nutso about getting more picks (and I'm a trade down guy)... and that cause us to make a poor decision on the CB position, or not wait for the best possible deal, or somethin'.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 7, 2007 8:24 AM | Report abuse

By the way, the cold in NYC is freakin' absurd.

Thanks, stupid groundhog.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 7, 2007 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Nate don't forget the snow we got this morning.

Posted by: jm220 | March 7, 2007 8:27 AM | Report abuse

etrod- I agree with ya there. I just feel like someone needs to tell them NFL "Experts" they are full of S--t and teach them to actually fact check. But they don't allow blogging on articals by these "Experts". How does one become an "Expert" by NFL.com's standards? I get Sims and Sharp being there but some of these guys like Adam Schefter, I never heard of. I had to Wiki the guy and found he was a Broncos reporter for 15 years in Denver, so we know where he gets his info/bias. But I think being a reporter on a smaller market team for 15 years does not make him an NFL expert. For example I would read this blog for Skins info, but RI's not who I would go to for questions about the Raders or the NFL at large. Schefter also is saying that Ramsey is looking to go to Denver or Houston by the way, (I still like Ramsey, what a tough kid)

Posted by: 35332 | March 7, 2007 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Allstar,

There are skins fans all over the world. Paps in manila is a new regular. We have had posts from Spain, England, and Africa. I am sure there are locations I have missed. Pretty amazing.

Posted by: Mark | March 7, 2007 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Thats great that we have fans all over the globe, because when the NFL decides they want to start playing games in Africa soon, we'll be the only team the fans are wearing Jerseys for.

Bly was a pro bowl guy a couple years back, Springs was great when he was healthy. The key there is who is going to be healthy and who will be the better choice for the long run. Is it better to get Bly and some draft picks to secure a couple years down the road at CB? Or is it better to hold off and gamble that there is a CB next year that will want to play here, and not want $80 mil. PLEASE don't tell me thats the kind of money Bly is looking for.

Posted by: allstar | March 7, 2007 8:42 AM | Report abuse

I dig the snow, jm. If it's going to be bitterly cold, ya gotta have some snow on the ground.

Forgot to say welcome to all the nice new folks who have joined the conversation up here. Welcome, nice new folks.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 7, 2007 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Denver has proven to be a shrewed trading partner.They pick 21st in each rd, just how great can theyre picks be? Bly will want a clements type contract?

Posted by: keep springs | March 7, 2007 8:56 AM | Report abuse

As 35322 said above:
" Free-agent quarterback Patrick Ramsey spent March 5 in Denver and the next day in Houston.

Denver would have liked to have signed Ramsey, but the situation in Houston gives the quarterback a better chance to play. The Texans are open to trading David Carr for the right price -- yet another player on the trading block -- and Ramsey could find himself competing with Sage Rosenfels for a starting spot. "

Probably not a good sign when you have two QBs that couldn't stick with the skins fighting for your job -- so what do you think of David Carr to the skins as a backup???

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 7, 2007 8:57 AM | Report abuse

I wonder who's eligible for free agency next year. Anyone know of any good players???

Posted by: Rob | March 7, 2007 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Kind of funny how, in a round about way, this whole thing goes back to the Bailey/Portis trade.

Tatum Bell was taken with the 2nd rounder we sent with Bailey. Bell essentially did nothing in Denver (except kill us in 2005) and was traded to Detroit for Bly. Now Bly may end up coming to DC along with picks.

Somehow, this makes me feel better about the Portis trade. Weird.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | March 7, 2007 8:57 AM | Report abuse

If bly gets 80 mill then what does taylor get? Dan Snyders luxery suite?

Posted by: keep springs | March 7, 2007 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Adam Schefter used to work the Denver beat before going to the NFL Network. I will say this - his info is usually pretty damn good. For example, he was stating emphatically that Al Davis would fire Art Shell - and even though Al Davis emphatically denied it, Schefter stood by his story. That being said, it was pretty evident to EVERYONE that Shell would be fired. But the fact that Schefter has Denver ties worries me.

It certainly does not make sense though since Denver just signed Henry and the Skins love Betts. Unless they traded one for the other....but still if Gibbs trades Betts I will be almost as angry about that as I am about the supposed Springs trade.

Betts was fabulous last season (except for the fumble or two) and Gibbs has professed repeatedly that he going nowhere. Talked other players into restructuring just so they could extend his contract. Stick with the guy who brought you....

Posted by: Lisa | March 7, 2007 9:00 AM | Report abuse

The problem with keeping betts is portis will have to share carries and if hes not getting the yds, because of 20 carries (if that) a game?This will be a first for portis(sharing carries)dont just shrug it off as not a big deal.

Posted by: stu | March 7, 2007 9:06 AM | Report abuse

"I wonder who's eligible for free agency next year. Anyone know of any good players???"

Dre Bly, for one. Seriously, maybe the best course of action is to wait a year and then sign him as a FA.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | March 7, 2007 9:13 AM | Report abuse

allstar

Keeep brining it . I am with you and many others here.I want us to get full value on the trade nothing less. A players health is a big factor in getting true value especially when your talking about 7 mil per. I don't think given his age and injury history shawn is worth that much money anymore, ie talented but oft injured.So make the deal but make sure your not giving in just to move down.

I will add that my days of really carring about the individuals on the team are long gone (sorry Lisa) outside the franchise QB 99% of the rest of the guys on any team aren't real important and are likely to be only temporary. Obviously you need good players and plenty of them.The atheletes are so good that virtually everyone is replaceable easily. Its a team game Root for the uniforms.

Posted by: Old School | March 7, 2007 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Is is just me or does Dre Bly kinda seem like this year's version of Brandon Lloyd? Make's spectacular plays and just claims to have a bad attitude cause he's on a losing team... Not sure that'll work out much better.

Plus, wouldn't the rest of the Defense see trading Springs like not resigning Pierce, Clark, et al? Not taking care of our own but falling in love with the glamour of problem children from other losing teams

Posted by: Gibby | March 7, 2007 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Let me throw my support behind doing the Bly deal. We need the picks and it sounds like Snyder has already thrown out an extension that suits Bly.

Posted by: Mad Dog | March 7, 2007 9:20 AM | Report abuse

All,

I know we are talking about how we should keep Springs and not go after someone else but I definitely get the impression that Springs does not want to be here. Others on the team have restructured their contracts to help alleviate cap space. I am sure if Springs wanted to be here, the team would work with him.

Also, he was constantly hurt last year. I know it isn't his fault but how many games did he miss last year? That cost the team allot more than money and the guy is not getting any younger.

Just thoughts.

Posted by: FoodForThought | March 7, 2007 9:26 AM | Report abuse

I don't know where everyone is going, but it should be pretty clear that in 2007, if you want to go to the SB, you need TWO ABLE RBs......

So, why would we trade Betts?!?!?!?!?! Have you asked yourself that?

Re: Bly Trade - I am not sold on this totally. If we trade for Bly, that means we cut more defensive peeps we need for depth and that will not be good for a 17 week seasdon + 4 preseason games.......

Posted by: 4th Floor | March 7, 2007 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Food -- the difference is that Springs is the only one that was asked to take a pay cut. As Doc Walker would say, "that's a manhood issue".

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 7, 2007 9:33 AM | Report abuse

If the Dre Bly trade comes off, it just goes to show the continued incompetence of the Skins FO.

First off, Dre Bly is mad overrated. I had the opportunity to watch Bly play at UNC, and he continually got burned by the Aaron Brooks/Germane Crowell tandem. Come on man, Aaron Brooks & Germane Crowell.... 'nuff said. To make matters worse, he's about to be 30, so how many "productive" years will he have left should the Skins pick him up? Not to knock Springs because I do like his game, but he enjoyed 2 very good years and last season, what happened? Dude was barely on the field and when he did play, he was a shell of his former self.

I know that the FO is looking to trade down for more picks, but IMHO, the #6 pick is more valuable than what the Skins will get in return. If they hadn't traded away all of those picks in the first place, the FO wouldn't be in this predicament.

I guess we'll see what happens in the next few weeks...

Posted by: Skins Fan in the 'Ville | March 7, 2007 9:34 AM | Report abuse

WHOOOOOA. I think it is completely premature to be treating this Denver-Bly-trade concept as anything other than conceptual. The draft is over three weeks away and Round 2 of free agency has just barely started to trickle in. LOTS of things can change, even before the end of the day today.

I take St. Joe on his word (just yesterday?) about wanting the 1/2 punch of Portis/Betts. The Betts-to-Denver-trade idea is almost as stale as Betts-to-Jets.

The other thing to remember is what someone reminded us about last week (sorry to do this uncredited ... bloggers making a fresh point should be credited ... just can't remember who said it). The time period leading up to the draft is about intensive disinformation. Okoye? All Jason said was that folks in the Park were interested. The draft is 3 weeks away. Prior to the Combine, everyone was projecting the Skins would go for Branch (DT) at #6; Okoye is the next DT to go. News flash to Branch's agent.

On Bly, the one point to remember is "advantage Skins." Bly already said he wants out. That statement undercuts Denver's leverage to deal him.

Now, I don't want to be all "Todd" on this point ... and JLa is the SHTI when it comes to credible information ... but even in Denver, folks are pointing to how Jason cites "unnamed sources." [JLa, you're the greatest, no offense.] For highest reliability on this type of information, to me, the most reliable would be "league sources." Sources w/in the Park, or agents-as-sources, just have to be immediately suspect b/c they MUST be able to disinform for competitive business advantage.

On a related, non-Skins note, I read once how one of the most brilliant minds in counter-intelligence (esp. disinformation) was George Washington who, with essentially wipe out troops during one of those winter campaigns, was able to disinform the British out of attacking.

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2007 9:36 AM | Report abuse

I'm a bigger fan of receiving the picks than getting Bly. I don't think its exactly like a BLloyd situation because Bly has more than 1 good year to look at. he's been to 2 pro bowls and has been a pretty productive corner/stayed healthy. I don't know how he'll work out. I'd like it if we could trade for him and not sign him to an extention until the season or I'd love to see Springs rework his contract so that while is money is not guaranteed, he can earn the full amount by meating goals like playing in 16 games.

Now I'm going to go back to riding my unicorn in happy fantasy land.

Posted by: etrod | March 7, 2007 9:41 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you, Gibby - my only recollection of Bly is when he threw Joey Harrington under the bus two years ago!

And seriously, who wants to give up pick #6 for flippin' #21????

Posted by: Lisa | March 7, 2007 9:42 AM | Report abuse

couldn't we trade them the #6 for their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks and hang onto Springs? Springs, DBL Move, Smoot sounds good to me.

Not particulary excited by Bly. I'd rather have continuity and our defense is 100% better with Springs on the field.

Plus he's soooooooo hot.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | March 7, 2007 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Ok Jason.....its been 12 hours. Time for another blog.

Posted by: AEE | March 7, 2007 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Also, just like with peeps making up disparaging nicknames for Fletcher, I think there is a rush to judgment on Dre Bly. Someone was tried to rip him for being on his third team by the age of 29. He WAS a two time Pro-Bowler (I know, I know, a popularity contest), but just like two time Pro Bowler, Jeff Garcia, crapped out in Cleveland and rose to the occasion in Philly, high levels of performance may be a function of being at the right time and in the right place.

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2007 9:47 AM | Report abuse

JH: Hard to have continuity if Springs is never on the field.

Posted by: Mad Dog | March 7, 2007 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Lisa -- since you're here -- a few days ago I was watching NFLN, do you recall a snippet where Vince Young and Reggie Bush were meeting pre- or post- game on the field, and they were both commiserating about how fast everything was? I'd really like to get that on my computer, but I can't remember what show it was...

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 7, 2007 9:48 AM | Report abuse

crap, that link trick didn't work. if you go to the wiki site, scratch out that last back slash.

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2007 9:49 AM | Report abuse

I don't think I would give Brandon Lloyd even 1 good year in the NFL. Best season was 2005 with 48 recs, 733 yds and 5 td's. Very average.

Springs is the better CB but a trade will give us multiple picks to add the guard we now need in the draft plus some depth wherever they see fit. Deal breaker if Betts name comes up though.

I guess my biggest thing is I am not completely sold with any of the 3 D guys they are looking at with #6. Not the same no brainer as it was with Sean Taylor.

Posted by: cdubb | March 7, 2007 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor will never be in the Hall of Fame because no one in their right mind would mention "Bust" and "Head" in the same sentence around him.

Posted by: etrod | March 7, 2007 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Springs is great when healthy, but injuries with no decent back-ups is what kills us. Take the picks, get some pressure on the QB and Bly will be fine.

Posted by: Mad Dog | March 7, 2007 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Well I definitely don't think there are legs to the Betts/Den trade given the recent signing of Henry in Den.

As for Bly, 1st, 2nd, 3rd for the #6. And subsequent trade of Springs for more picks or possibly a trade of Springs and Bly and a mix of picks between Was and Den, I just wish for once the Skins would just stay put with the guys they have signed.

Springs/Smoot would be a real nice pairing. (I have no confidence in Rogers starting - HE's the one who should get traded. He'll lose his starting job in training camp) Plus it will reunite our original starting cbs when Williams first arrived.

Springs knows the system and is one of the only consistent faces in the back seven over the past 3 years. Keep him and give him the money you promised him.

As for aquiring more picks. My hope would be the Skins hold onto the pick until draft day and just slide down incrementally as the draft moves along.

That seems to happen every year with teams and I think the Skins may not need to drop as far down to 21 to pick up some extra elections in the later rounds.

Additionally, they need a relatively high pick to acquire a pass rusher. If they don't get a guy who can go after the quaterback, the additions to the back 7 in free agency have been all for naught.

Williams' system needs a pass rush from the front 4. And right now we don't have it.

Posted by: C-A-P-S | March 7, 2007 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Ok a couple things. First, Springs has never been asked to take a pay cut, just to restructure his deal to convert base salary to bonus money, making it guaranteed and spread over the term of the deal. You can't make someone take a paycut under the CBA, you would have to cut them and resign them, as long as the money stays the same, you CAN restructure though.

Second, we arent looking at trading #6 for #21, we are looking at trading #6 for a 1st, second, and third, PLUS a starting CB. For the extra picks alone we should be interested, just like most on here have been saying...rounds 1-3 are starters, so we are trading one starter for 4. Good math.

Third, all this talk about wanting to be home, Springs is a local too, don't forget, he grew up in Silver Spring, and went to Springbrook. Why he won't restructure is something we can only speculate on.

And last, Jason has to attribute his stories to unnamed sources, if he was handing out names to everyone, someone would be fired for letting inside info out, and no one would ever give Jason the scoop again. Would you rather have "unnamed sources" in an article, or no article at all?

Posted by: allstar | March 7, 2007 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Cload, I guess I missed that one :)

Incidentally, last night the NFL Network was showing the "Top 10 Game Ending Plays of 2006" - the Skins made it twice. The first was the Santana TD in OT against Jax - the second the blocked field goal - run by the Reaper (including face mask) and field goal by the "departed" kicker.

Posted by: Lisa | March 7, 2007 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Do you trust the Redskins to make good picks with the 21st, 2nd and 3rd rounders? They have a better chance of getting a good player with the 6th. Just dont trust the Front Office with their history of drafting.

Posted by: Rob | March 7, 2007 10:03 AM | Report abuse

We need young bodies. Okay, that didn't come out exactly as I planned, but you know what I mean. I don't care if we get Bly, trade Springs, keep Springs, trade Rogers, make Springs a secondary coach or any combination of the above, but we need picks.

Posted by: Mad Dog | March 7, 2007 10:03 AM | Report abuse

SKINI FANS TOO BUSY WORRYING ABOUT THEIR CAP SITUATION TO REALIZE THAT THEIR TEAM IS STINK-TASTIC. SKINI'S WILL BE IN 4TH PLACE AGAIN IN THE 2007 SEASON IN NFC EAST. IF THE SKINIS WERE SMART THEY WOULD TRADE ROGERS INSTEAD OF SPRINGS AND HAVE THEIR TOP 3 CORNERS BE BLY, SPRINGS, AND SMOOT. OF COURSE STUPID SKINI'S AND THEIR FANS WOULD RATHER HAVE CARLOS "I CAN'T INTERCEPT A BALL TO SAVE MY LIFE" ROGERS ON THEIR TEAM. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Posted by: Anonymous | March 7, 2007 10:05 AM | Report abuse

That All-Cap post cannot be Boofer, too literate and no boo-hoo box references.

Posted by: Mad Dog | March 7, 2007 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I gotta say I think their is some misguided trashing of Dre Bly going up here. To equate Bly to Lloyd is nonsense based on previous body of work. Bly v Springs: Younger, healthier, more INTs, nuff said..

IF this deal hapens that would give us three CBs 30 or under with starter exp, pretty healthy medical records under reasonable (by NFL new math) long term contracts.

You add combos of picks and to me, its a no brainer.

Also if you can than deal Springs for some mid round picks you have the picks to mabe flip the 21 and like a 4th to move into the 10-15 1st round position to get this DL linemen kid who I think would be a great pick.

And to back up JLaC I think all he is saying is the old "smoke=fire" cliche and passing along these signals, I for one love that we are actually "insiders" and what a good reporter does, especially in these less formal forums like chats and blogs, he is our conduit ton the whispers, gossip and rumblings...

OK stepping of oap box

Posted by: chris Larry | March 7, 2007 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I definately like their chances of finding one starter from 3 picks better than 1. Lets look at second/third round success versus first round...

2- Jansen
2- Smoot
3- Cooley
3- Dockery

1- Shuler
1- Tim Carter
1- Westbrook
1- Ramsey

I know, i know, different management periods, blah blah, but the track record isnt very good, aside from Bailey, and the jury is still out on JC.

Posted by: allstar | March 7, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

The above poster is NOT Boofer...nor was the Boofer impersonator yesterday.

Posted by: Lisa | March 7, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Is it true that Dallas is going to have a 10 year anniv celebration this year? To mark their last playoff victory? Special Uni's and everything.

Posted by: AEE | March 7, 2007 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Yeah Dallas is celebrating that and Irvin in the hall. They are all wearing powdered sugar under their nose for the whole season.


MONK HOF '08!

Posted by: allstar | March 7, 2007 10:15 AM | Report abuse

If its sugar, then Peter King might lick it off his face.

Posted by: AEE | March 7, 2007 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Agree w/Lisa. Way to literate and there was a train of thought and a snippet of wit in the fake posts. How bored do you have to be to impersonate BOOFER?

Posted by: etrod | March 7, 2007 10:21 AM | Report abuse

That's not where Peter usually licks...

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 7, 2007 10:24 AM | Report abuse

One more thing about Bly - which I think some of you have already stated: Dry will get paid more than Springs if he comes here...bet on it.

Why don't they just cut John Hall? Then they can pay Springs...no worries.

Posted by: Lisa | March 7, 2007 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Aee
The redskins are celebrating 17 yrs without SB? REAL teams are messured by SB wins & appearences not playoff victorys.Unless your a fan of a loser team & thats all you got?

Posted by: True or false | March 7, 2007 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I 1st reported Ramsey visted Denver on Monday and it finally getds picked up today? WTF?

Also, why is anyone asking about LaVar?!?! He burnt TOO many bridges to find his way back to Ashburn, VA. That being said, I wish he could come home, but just like Sam Huff, he can't.....

Re: Bly Trade - He dosen't know the system. Why get him if Springs knows it and wouldn't need time to learn?????? PLUS, he seems to be working hard in AZ and his father is doing much better know, so his mind should be more clearer......

Posted by: 4th | March 7, 2007 10:31 AM | Report abuse

All-Star:

That was a pretty selective list of draft picks which doesn't reflect how bad these guys are at drafting whether it be in the first or second.

Here's a link

http://www.thehogs.net/History/draftHistory.php

The bottom line is that in the last ten years when the Skins draft in the top 10 (sans Rogers) they have done very well (Bailey, Arrington, Taylor, Samuels...). Mid to late 1st rounders 2nd and 3rd selections have had far more misses than hits and after the 3rd round ... forget about it - we're talking waiver wire material(with the exception of 7th rounder Rock Cartwright!!! Thank you Steve Superior).

I honestly have real trepidation over the collective drafting ability of Coach, Vinny and the Danny.

Then again even a broken clock is correct at least twice day...

Posted by: C-A-P-S | March 7, 2007 10:32 AM | Report abuse

They haven't cut Hall yet? They are just waiting for the right time probably. You don't need to cut him unless you need the cap room, right?

Posted by: 4th | March 7, 2007 10:35 AM | Report abuse

True or False.

Actually, Superbowl wins are just alittle under half of NFL History. So, its total titles. Or the Bears and Packers and Giants wouldn't have around 10 each.

But, it could be worse. 31 other teams could be Peter King's preseason picks like Dallas is every year. Only to fall short. What team can't make a run with the Tuna?

Posted by: AEE | March 7, 2007 10:36 AM | Report abuse

You're right C-A-P-S. I wasnt trying to make an overall evaluation, just a snippett. You can't forget about signing A. Pierce as an undrafter FA and getting Sellars in the 4th wasn't it?

There are so many pros and cons for draft picks regardless of round. For every Samuels there is a Shuler, for every Cooley there is a Cliff Russell. Its more a question of if we are good with one shot at getting someone great at 6, or do we like our odds of getting one with 3 picks in the first 3 rounds?

4th- Bly may not know the specific system, but he, just like Smoot is better man to man than in zone (why last year was bad). Corners that excel in man to man can be tought our system. It's still anyone's guess if he picks it up, but I like him one on one with M. Colston better than I like Springs coming off surgery.

Dont get me wrong, i like Springs a lot, i'd love to keep them both, but if you have to choose, id have to go with whichever one lets us play Taylor to his best ability of hitting people really hard.

Posted by: allstar | March 7, 2007 10:41 AM | Report abuse

etrod, Reaper/HoF/bust/head ... outstanding.

CL, I tried to be real careful about what I said about 'unnamed sources.' Absolutely no question that JLa is vigorous about his journalistic integrity (i.e., not agreeing to be fed) and has a top notch BS detection system. That's what makes him the mark for sources who want to disinform ... or maybe even unintentionally/indirectly disinform (e.g., second hand word from a reliable source who was intentionally disinformed).

All of that said, I still think all the anxiety last night read too much into what Jason actually said. In other news, I think Jason is batting approx 100% on his Crystal Ball (for the predictions that are ripe to come to pass).

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2007 10:41 AM | Report abuse

True or false sounds like Boofer's smart big brother. ITA

Posted by: Mad Dog | March 7, 2007 10:41 AM | Report abuse

NO NO NO...not the superbowl/NFL championship argument again. make it stop!

Posted by: etrod | March 7, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Re: the Ramsey/Carr thing. I would like to se PR in Houston, he is a gulf state kid anyway so why not. He is good at taking punishment and is more mobile in the pocket then Carr, and Houston has no OL so thats needed. On Carr, I would not want as a backup here though, seems like the kind of guy Gibbs would end up trying to start. Now for a fun little name game I have been playing. Carr should look at his last name and go to Detroit. By that logic Ramsey should try and go to St.-Louis. Harrington should start for Miami, which is good because his name sounds fishy, & so did Marino's look how that worked out. Brian St.Pier should be a backup in New Orleans. And of course anyone named Washington belongs in D.C., we got one but there are others out there. Shocky should be traded to San Diego. Ahman Green belonged on the Packers and his only other fit would be the Eagles. Sam Adams should have been on the Pats. If you have free time this can be fun, if anyone has any other Name to Team associations let me know.

Posted by: 35332 | March 7, 2007 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Who started the stories about Art Monk was never covered by CBs but by S and LBs?

You know people, the more some of you talk, the more you reveal, you don't know what in the world you are talking about when it comes to history.

Watch Super Bowl 26 and see how many catches Monk had in the first quarter! Against CBs I might add!

Watch NFL Films.
So when Monk led the NFL in receptions with 106 in 1984, he wasn't beating CBs?
He certainly was; ask Theismann, he knows better than anyone other than Art himself.

Honetly, this is why blogs can be detrimental. It opens up an avenue for an ignorant public to speak!

Everyone may have an equal right to share their opinion, but not every opinion is equal. Remember that.

Posted by: Ray | March 7, 2007 10:46 AM | Report abuse

35332 - Renaldo Wynn should definately not be on the Redskins.

Posted by: etrod | March 7, 2007 10:49 AM | Report abuse

CL thanks for coming to Dre Bly's defense. Any talk of him being overrated is ill-informed. Dude is one of only 5 players ever to be a college All-American as a freshman. He made the Pro Bowl the last two seasons. Last season he was VOTED a team captain by his Lions teammates and coaches. He doesn't have an attitude problem he only correctly pointed out that Joey Harrington isn't a very good QB and cost Mariucci his job. He has a Super Bowl ring. Plus he's a Carolina guy.

Posted by: LH | March 7, 2007 10:49 AM | Report abuse

CAPS thanks for the URL there. If you look over the past 10 years. I think these are the draftees we have still on the roster. 2005
1. Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn (9th)
1. Jason Campbell, QB, Auburn (25th)
7. Nehemiah Broughton, FB, The Citadel (222nd)
2004
1. Sean Taylor, S, Miami
3. Chris Cooley, TE, Utah State
6. Jim Molinaro, OT, Notre Dame
2002
2. Ladell Betts, RB, Iowa
7. Rock Cartwright, FB, Kansas St.
2001
2. Fred Smoot, CB, Mississippi St.
4. Sage Rosenfels, QB, Iowa St.
2000
1. Chris Samuels, T, Alabama
1999
2. Jon Jansen, T, Michigan
Someone let me know if I am wrong.

Posted by: 35332 | March 7, 2007 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Mad Dog I guess your awnser is TRUE?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 7, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Etrod the point is to use somones name to pick their team. IE Carr's name is Carr and he should play in Ford Field. Harrington's name is a fish. Wynn in this would play for someone who cannot lose, but LA does not have a team.

Posted by: 35332 | March 7, 2007 10:56 AM | Report abuse

35332,

Sage Rosenfels is David Carr's back-up in Houston.

Posted by: JustMe | March 7, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

sorry dude, I was going for irony.

Posted by: etrod | March 7, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Ray,

Opinions are like a*holes. Everybody's got one.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 7, 2007 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Say any of you geeks know where I can get a tasty steak and cheese in DC?

Posted by: daveb55 | March 7, 2007 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Etrod, waid I get your comment now

Posted by: 35332 | March 7, 2007 11:01 AM | Report abuse

not a Donkey. (Nice nickname, skinswest)

Posted by: etrod | March 7, 2007 07:50 AM

Don't believe that was me.

JLaC. So the skins passed on trading for Al Wilson to sign London F-B? F-B better pan out because Al Wilson is a helluva player. I agree with earlier posts, the skins should wait out the Broncos a bit to see if Shanahan blinks. Shanahan sounds like he's desperate to put a SB team together this year and might overpay to do it. Can't believe he'd trade Wilson though. That guy's the heart and soul of his D. Maybe Bates, the new D-Coordinator out here, doesn't like him.

Posted by: skinswest | March 7, 2007 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Anyone here have MD Football season tix? I'm debating getting them for this year, but I need to get a tailgating plan together first.

Posted by: allstar | March 7, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

AEE
This is the NFL and anything before that is only a weak attempt for a fan of a loser team to STROKE himself,SBs is what teams in the NFL are measured by (sorry your team doesnt have more then the cowboys)soon your team will have its 20 yr party!Please invite me?

Posted by: This is the NFL | March 7, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

On a different note, did anyone catch the Bram Weinstein show yesterday on Triple X Radio? He went off on a five minute rant about how the Redskins get guys who are under contract and then give them a new contract instead of letting them play out the old contract.

His main example was Fred Smoot, who by definition, as a free agent, did not have a current contract!

Bram is a buffoon.

Posted by: Blind Squirrel | March 7, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Trying another one of these things with words as links.

Jason rocks on predictions. From Crystal Ball, here is what he forecasted:

Cut Hall - not yet
Cut Patten - not yet
Cut Vincent - CORRECT
Cut Fauria - CORRECT
Don't re-sign Wright - CORRECT
Don't re-sign Holdman - not yet
Can't re-sign Dockery - CORRECT
Re-sign Jimoh - CORRECT
Re-sign Pucillo - CORRECT
Re-sign Fox - CORRECT
Re-sign Posey - not yet
Long shot to re-sign Wade - not yet
Springs gone by June - not yet
Re-structure Brunell - CORRECT
Lloyd safe - not yet
Archuleta safe - not yet
Pick up Fletcher - CORRECT
No money for Clements - CORRECT
Immediate call and pick up of Smoot - CORRECT
Bly to fill void if Springs gone - not yet
No money for Kearney - CORRECT
No money for Kelsay - CORRECT
Add FA TE, maybe E. Johnson - not yet
Maybe Kyle Brady cheaply - INDETERMINABLE (and depends on def of cheap)
Trade #6 down to #18-#25 - not yet

Then, the next week, in Crystal Ball, Redux , he updated the forecast with:

Strahan stays w/Giants - not yet
Maybe trade for TE M. Pollard - not yet
Renaldo cut unless restructuring - not yet

So other than the Kyle Brady for cheap (signed by NE, undisclosed terms), Jason has been on the money.

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2007 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I assume you mean a Cheese Steak. Steak & Cheese is what people call in the south where they all taste like crap. But thats besides the point. The truth is that you are still about 40 miles too far south for a great cheese steak, I have been in withdrawal since leaving Philly 2 years ago. Your best bet is the Great Steak and Potato Factory chains that are in Union Station, Pentagon City and in Georgetown.

Posted by: 35332 | March 7, 2007 11:08 AM | Report abuse

The way I see this bit of FA shenanigans is to look at a Bly-Guy + picks/Springs + picks trade is to think of what we'd be getting from Denver as an old-style pack of baseball cards.

You'll get Bly, that dubious stick of bubblegum that's who knows how old and possesses the taste and mouth feel of something between cardboard and kippers on boiled cabbage and toast. Bly-Guy is pretty much a dubious quantity, given just how erratic his performance was in Detroit. Whether it was the team or him personally is difficult to judge. I'm rather sure his want to be in D.C. stems from knowing how deep and wide the pockets of HRH, Duke of Ashburn, Earl of Potomac Dan of Snyder can be. Entirely mercenary, but such is the way of the iron bleachers and wooden men of the current NFL era. He's no Darrell Green; best not to make him out as such, but nor should we judge him on his inability to do so. At worst, he's just reasonably solid depth. If he exceeds that expectation, joy. Maybe the Prug and Pray system might be good for him, after all. Or not.

It'll be the draft picks that are the baseball cards, though. I've already said before that I was a fan of keeping the pick and using it. If we can wheedle and deedle our way into getting 3 picks, instead of the 2 I was presuming a trade would garner, regardless of where they fall in the early rounds, it might go a long way towards building towards a future with the draft, again. And who knows? The FO might have a brain flatus, and actually pick someone that's consequential to more than the salary cap. Miracles are known to happen. (It just doesn't happen frequently enough for us, sadly. Unfortunately, 'sympathy' lies between 'sh**' and 'syphillis' in the dictionary.)

Thanks for all the hard work in keeping us up to date with the inside angle on things, JLa. Much appreciated!

Posted by: FlimFlam | March 7, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

FlimFlam, not sure what you just said but I am pretty sure I

a. dont agree
b. Cabbage flavored chewing gum would make me retch

Posted by: Chris Larry | March 7, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

http://www.profootballhof.com/


Join us when you're ready to accept the whole NFL and not just the part that you use to make yourself look better. Neither NFC East team has been that good in recent years.

Otherwise, go hang out with the your fans of your team with your coach and his history as a HC.

Posted by: Yes, this is the NFL | March 7, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Donkeys is a nice nickname for the Broncos, but given their stubborn insistence on sticking it to the Skins in trades, they should be called the Asses. I said it. No Shift+Number. Another word for donkey, therefore, not profane. Denver Asses.

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2007 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Flim Flam, Bly has proven himself to be better than Rogers and Smoot and is at minimum equal to Springs. Erratic performance in Detroit? Please explain.

I like Springs but if he's gone better to replace him with talent than depth because Smoot and Rogers as 1 & 2 ain't getting it done.

Posted by: LH | March 7, 2007 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I saw someone call them the Donkeys yesterday and thought it was skinswest. Maybe it was Cheyenne. Damn square states. Doesn't matter, it's awesome.

Posted by: etrod | March 7, 2007 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Broncos made a proposal involving middle linebacker Al Wilson, their first-round pick (21st overall), a third-round pick and perhaps a second-round pick to land Washington's sixth-overall pick.

Are we crazy? Why didn't we take this deal? Wilson is way better, and younger, than Fletcher... I hope it was because Wilson's cap hit would be too much in a trade, but I have a feeling Man Boobs had is target set on Fletcher no matter what.

Posted by: Diesel | March 7, 2007 11:23 AM | Report abuse

It's freezing up here.

I'm encouraged by what I'm seeing as far as moves on the defense. I think a few tweaks (well, potentially a near overhaul of the CBs) was all we needed. What about offense though?

Is losing Dock something that will make our offensive line significantly worse? I've heard that we'll try to address in the draft, but how many rookie O-lineman are actually able to contribute at a high level?

Someone more knowledgeable about o-lineman please respond to me.

Thanks and good day.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | March 7, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

It was a response to AEE post about boys 10 yrs without a playoff win? Sorry you cant take posts that comeback on ya? This is the whole NFL,you cant change history for your own needs(makes you look kinda stupid)?

Posted by: NFL NFL NFL NFL NFL NFL NFL | March 7, 2007 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Exactly, AEE B!tchslapped him when he posted that link to the HOF. Every teams' history doesn't begin the year Dallas entered the league.

now we just wait for J LaC to post another blog.

Posted by: Randyskins | March 7, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I'm happy with the return of Smoot and I think Fletcher will give us a good year or two at middle linebacker. Bring in Bly, drop springs, and get us a 1st 2nd and 3rd round pick this year and we'll be good to go!

Posted by: Max | March 7, 2007 11:29 AM | Report abuse

nyskinsfan, the correct answer to your Dockery question has been the subject of considerable debate over the past few days. The consensus for a replacement, however, seems to be that the guy will come from within the current roster or free agency, not the draft.

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2007 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Its kinda like a cowboys fan or redskin fan waving theyre finger at a panther fan and saying we have more SBs then you??? They havent been around 20 yrs.That would be kinda STUPID!

Posted by: NFL NFL NFL NFL NFL NFL | March 7, 2007 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Can someone in-the-know chime in on the Springs situation? Is he being asked to take a pay cut, or simply do as the other stars are doing and restructure his contract to take a bonus up front instead of salary so that the money is pro-rated over the rest of his contract? Or is it some third option where he is being asked to restructure the contract to take less money this year, and more money in a later year where he will likely be cut, so that the restructuring is essentially equal to a pay cut?

Please help.

Posted by: mugamack | March 7, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Reggie Kelly, the blocking TE who would patch a hole for the Skins, re-signed up as a Bengal.

Denver has been real active in FA, but at some point, they are going to run out of money, spending like neo-Snyders.

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I have a feeling Man Boobs had is target set on Fletcher no matter what.

Posted by: Diesel | March 7, 2007 11:23 AM

I thought the same thing. He probably insisted on "his" guy since he got burned with AA last year.

Posted by: skinswest | March 7, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

nyskinsfan, I believe that the Saints started a rookie on their offensive line this year, and got more than favorable results, as well as the Chargers did with Marcus McNeil, whom was a pro-bowl selection, as a rookie.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | March 7, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

The loss of Dockery will hurt more than the Redskins will care to acknowledge. He will not be easy to replace via draft or free agency. Plus we are not really deep along the O-line, so the quality of our offense this year will depend greatly on the health of the offensive line.

Posted by: Max | March 7, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Bly and Springs are both pro-bowl level corners. In terms of who's better, according to Football Outsiders Metrics, Springs was the thee best CB in the NFL 2 yrs ago (yes, better than Champ). Last year injuries slowed him, but when healthy, a big if with Springs, he is outstanding. Springs only average about 8 games a season before he signed here, so I think the Bly trade is to protect against injuries and pickup picks, but yes, we will downgrade at #1 cb if Springs stays healthy.

Posted by: Jon | March 7, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

AEE, you're right, it's the COMPLETE history of the NFL, which is TOTAL TITLES(not just total Super Bowls).
'Super Bowl' is simply a marketing term coined by the NFL (we all know the 1st 'Super Bowl' was not called the 'Super Bowl'... and I highly doubt the comissioner gave Vince Lombardi the 'Lombardi Trophy' after I and II)

Of course, teams with a longer history (Packers, Bears, Redskins) will have more total titles than others, but you can't hold that against them... and anyone who wants to say the NFL began with the 'Super Bowl Era' is simply bending the facts to favor their team, or significantly lacks an appreciation/understanding of history, or both.

Posted by: Diesel | March 7, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

COWBOYS BESTEST NFL FRANCHISE EVER. SKINIS WORSTEST NFL FRANCHSIE EVER!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: Anonymous | March 7, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Jason,

Even that ultimate fantasy source ROTOWORLD is reading your blog:

Dre' Bly-DB-Broncos Mar. 6 - 6:21 pm et

The Washington Post's Redskins blog believes a Dre Bly deal to Washington is still in play, and it could involve the team's No. 6 overall pick.

Denver has destroyed Washington in a few previous trades. In this scenario, Denver would send Bly, their first-round pick, a mid-round pick and change for the No. 6 overall pick. Shawn Springs would then be moved from Washington. It appears the two sides will continue to talk.

Posted by: Broncobuster | March 7, 2007 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Okoye is the only DL outside of Branch, Gaines Addams, and Anderson we should think about, so #21 is not good enough. Whoever said hold Springs and try to slide down on draft day I think has it right. Just sign an old OG. Unless we can def deal springs after the Bly trade to get extra picks, and guarantee moving to top 15, then consider the trade.

Posted by: Jon | March 7, 2007 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Re: Springs salary. The Redskins are asking him to take a pay cut, unlike Moss, Portis, etc, who had their '07 salary converted to signing bonuses.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 7, 2007 11:35 AM | Report abuse

How is this trade not sweet?

1. Springs is older and slightly injury prone

2. Dre Bly wants to be here and is younger, no Champ... but he's pretty good, teamed with Double-move and SMOOOOT we have a good secondary

3. We pick up two draft picks for sure, anyone thinking that a blocking TE and a starting LG can be had with a 2nd and 3rd rounder????

4. With #21 we take the best DL available, remember the Skins arent in love with the projected D-linemen available with the #6... they are thinking what I'm thinking a group of busts. Now personally I wish that we could still get Okeye here at #21, but maybe we can move back up with some picks from the Springs trade. Otherwise there is some decent talent in the later parts of the 1st round.

5. With Springs trade for picks we pick up o-line depth or a WR, maybe a safety, or possiblyu use it to trade up to the middle of the 1st round.

Makes sense to me and puts a smile on my face!!!!

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | March 7, 2007 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I think we have like 4 or 5 people posting under different names, or more than 1 person using the same name. I haven't posted as anything but myself, but somebody else did as me also. Weird....jerks! ;)

Posted by: AEE | March 7, 2007 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Writers are questioning why the Browns signed Kenny Wright.....

http://browns.scout.com/2/623995.html

Posted by: 4th Floor | March 7, 2007 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Hey Jason -- nothing skins related but did you see this clip from Velencia vs Inter Milan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6VD_okW8Us&mode=related&search=

Posted by: Go Skins Go | March 7, 2007 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Take this one for what it's worth, but O.J. Simpson's videographer says the disgraced football star thinks he might be the father of Anna Nicole Smith's baby girl. And he chalks it up to his "slow-moving sperm."

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/wcStory?contentId=6534058&storyNumber=4

Kill your TV. Kill it now!

Posted by: skinswest | March 7, 2007 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Free pizza!!! 7-Eleven has coupons for $5.99 off a Digiorno pizza, and since they sell them for $5.99 it's free (taxes and tags not included). The coupons are located near the beer section. No beer purchase necessary, but it would go rather well with the pizza. The offer is valid till 04/15/07 and is only available in VA. So there you go, my good deed for the year. Just please leave the last coupon for me, as I plan on making my rounds tonight. Finally does this allow me to be a regular on this blog....pleaaaasse!!!

Posted by: Denesh | March 7, 2007 11:37 AM | Report abuse

If you dont want it to be a fair race then of course count the 30 yr headstart (you need the handicapp anyways)??

Posted by: NFL NFL NFL NFL | March 7, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Hafta weigh in on Bly vs. Springs. I'm in the Springs camp. I think he's a better player and knows and fits Grilliams' system. I like Bly; I like Springs better.
Also, dealing with Denver scares me. The Redskins have been their bi -- wait, I can't say that. Lemme say, the Redskins have not fared well in dealing with the Broncos. If I'm Pat Bowlen, when the phone rings and caller ID sez "Redskins Park," I yell to my beloved, "Honey, it's Christmas!!!!!"
On another matter, does anyone care that I had to make like an Iditarod driver to get to work today???
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/mmedia/webcams/snowcam.htm

Posted by: Cindy | March 7, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Why is everyone so scared of Denver? This is a team that traded Jake Plummer for nothing and is now trying to replace him with Patrick Ramsay. Patrick Ramsay? Is that an upgrade? Is that even bright?

And, they just traded for Dre Bly who doesn't want to be there and is being a pain in the butt about it. Is that a shrewd move?

Posted by: KK | March 7, 2007 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Yes, I am kinda Stupid, can't argue with that, but the facts are the facts...

Clearly, no team will come close to matching Green Bay's total titles... the Super Bowl trophy is named after thier coach... Green Bay is known as 'title town' and none of that is going to change

But it wouldn't be fair for a Packers fan to brag to a Texans fan about having more titles... yes, that'd be kinda stupid.

So the point is to keep these discussions to RECENT history (which means going back no more than 2 seasons... this is especially true in the Free Agency Era because after 2 years each team has about 50% roster turnover)

Posted by: Diesel | March 7, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Agreed on Denver. They have been making these moves to get them over the top, and it hasn't worked. Ask Cedric Wilson.

Posted by: AEE | March 7, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

All,

There is one major elephant in the room that no one talks about, Greg Williams. He likes to use his CBs as LineBackers. Dre Bly would be great in most defenses as a cover corner but I don't think he will fit well into ours because he is small and will have issues with run support.

One could argue that this type of play is what dinged up Springs. Obviously Springs is no longer durable. They need a durable CB. Smoot was injured when he was here too but played through it. It's a tough D for CBs. Springs, Rogers and Smoot have all been beat up.

Posted by: JoeyV | March 7, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I thought the same thing. He probably insisted on "his" guy since he got burned with AA last year.

Posted by: skinswest | March 7, 2007 11:32 AM


No AA was a guy that double G wanted.

Posted by: jm220 | March 7, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Syster Cyn Cyty is in the hoooouse! I've moved on from the Springs/Bly stuff too. Until further notice, Springs (now essentially healthy) is the #1 CB and CB is checked off the Skins offseason to-do list. Frankly, priorities-wise, the top priorities are taken care of ... what remains are second-level items (at least until the draft, which is where the D-line upgrade happens)... upgrade at blocking TE, increasing the comfort level at starting left guard, and that cap thing. Next level priorities? Kill BK King. Replace entire FO.

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2007 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Snippet From ESPN website:

"If Bly doesn't come around, the Broncos could probably still get a deal done with the Redskins. A report on the Washington Post's Web site on Tuesday night said that the team has restructured contracts in an attempt to make room for the defensive back.

Washington tried to acquire Bly from Detroit before he was dealt to the Broncos. NFL sources told the Post that the Redskins offered Bly a lucrative contract extension when they were trying to complete a trade with the Lions. Denver has not shown a willingness to extend Bly's current deal."

So we have spies in our camp, eh? Someone go spy on Denver's website......

Posted by: 4th | March 7, 2007 11:50 AM | Report abuse

JoeyV, I think Grilliams likes to trick people, but I don't think its accurate that he uses his CBs as LBs. He uses his safeties as LBs.

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2007 11:51 AM | Report abuse

We don't need springs. He is an aging injury prone corner in a defense that lacks depth at CB. We need to get rid of him while he is still valuable. No more of this keep a guy until his last dying breath stuff.

Posted by: Max | March 7, 2007 11:51 AM | Report abuse

This team is no different then last years team. We'll have to pray that no one gets hurt. The Skins have no depth. In the NFL the game is won in the trenches and we have no quality depth on either line esp the O-Line. Our defensive line is too old and also lacks depth.

Posted by: Rob | March 7, 2007 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Someone has been messing wit the snow to make it look more than it is. How come i see NO grass around the yard stick and see nothing but grass in the background?

Posted by: 4th | March 7, 2007 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Cyn/sween

Amusing pic from last year's halloween party:

http://www.wysk.com/pics/FreakBall06_photogallery2/pages/IMG_9838.html

Posted by: etrod | March 7, 2007 11:55 AM | Report abuse

No AA was a guy that double G wanted.

Posted by: jm220 | March 7, 2007 11:47 AM

What I meant was that AA hadn't played for GG before, so in that sense he wasn't one of "his" guys. I was suggesting that he got burned by AA last year so he thought London F-B was a safer signing than trading for Wilson who may be a better player but has not played for GG before. GG may be a little gun shy after the AA signing last year.

Posted by: skinswest | March 7, 2007 11:55 AM | Report abuse

skinswest which is more reason whe should have smack him in the back of his damn head and kick him out the door. Along with not playing Rocky Mac when we were out of the playoffs. What make us think he is going to play whoever we pick at #6? (if we stay at 6)

Posted by: jm220 | March 7, 2007 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Everybody in the league new that adam couldnt cover and he was better against the run,So why did gg put him in position to cover? same with lavar? both were put in position to fail, Wonder how many others on the D?

Posted by: stu | March 7, 2007 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Maybe a 30-something ranked defense will shame him into adapting and playing those hight draft pick(s).

Posted by: skinswest | March 7, 2007 12:05 PM | Report abuse

One problem I do see with this that I don't think has been touched upon. Say we do pull the trade and get Bly. Springs is essentially a lame duck player. It's obvious we are going to be trading him or cutting him come June. What team is going to be willing to give up quality draft picks for a player who could be cut in a couple months? Only thing I can think of that would help us in that case is if there were several teams that want him and don't want to risk him being signed first somewhere else. Thoughts?

Posted by: cdubb | March 7, 2007 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Stu's got a point. Williams does seem a bit inflexible. Isn't it possible to modify his defense to fit the personnel?

If they've got AA for at least another year isn't there someplace on the field where he can make more of a contribution than sitting on the bench? If he was a beast in St. Louis, can't he at least fill a spot here?

Doesn't a good coach design systems that use his players to their best advantage?

Posted by: KK | March 7, 2007 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Because GG likes to win?

We need Jason to get some 'Deep Cover' analysis on RockyMac -- physically gifted, sure, but if he didn't "get" the defense, then no way is GG going to put him out there... that's what practice is for. Remember the most memorable RockyMac moment from 2006 is him being so confused that he was in the totally wrong position, Marshall is screaming at him to get back toward the line, and as a result he knifes into the backfield for a blow-up tackle.

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 7, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

To the poster who said GG won't play who we pick at #6 if we stay there... I totally agree.

I mean we picked Sean freaking Taylor at #5 and he didn't even start until over halfway through his rookie year... sheesh.

We could pick the biggest beast of a man-child at DE at #6, but it's not going to do much good if Gregg Williams won't even let him get on the field because he "didn't play the right packages" or some BS like that...

Posted by: SantanaClaus89 | March 7, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I like that, Etrod! I've always liked Ronald (and Mayor McCheese!). Now I know why. We are kindred spirits.

Posted by: Cindy | March 7, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

dcsween,

Dead on. GG likes to use the safeties as a one deep, one behind MLB, with the corners man on man and the MLB roving the flat.

Posted by: allstar | March 7, 2007 12:10 PM | Report abuse

So far most of the Denver trade speculation has been centered around Betts, maybe just because Schefter and Kirwan said it, but I wonder if a Bly for Springs deal could also happen. The accompanying draft picks would be different, but #6 + Springs could still fetch a decent package in return.

All of the draft selection valuation table stuff becomes less and less meaningful as the draft approaches, as anyone who has ever taken economics can tell you. Ultimately, the table is meaningless on draft day because teams draft according to their needs and even the best players slip, see Leinart as Exhibit A last year. The best thing to do is to find a team that actually buys into the points system and take advantage--I'm sure we and maybe some Jets fans know how that feels better than anyone.

Posted by: Will | March 7, 2007 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Morning JM, was wondering when you'd pop in and SMACK someone.

I think GG just has something against rooks and thats why Rocky didn't play more. He didn't look lost out there at the end of the season, actually looked pretty fast and effective. I like Rocky over Lemar at OLB.

Posted by: allstar | March 7, 2007 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Well, I hopped on the Denver Post website to scroonge thru there and all I found out is that some cheerleader told anyone who would listen that Plummer asked for hand in MArriage....

Not a true 'Insider' format. They were also dogging Snyder saying he spends lavishly and the Broncos don't.......

Posted by: 4th | March 7, 2007 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Put me in, coach! Please?

Posted by: Rocky McIntosh | March 7, 2007 12:14 PM | Report abuse

This trade is a catch 22 from the stand point if you trade Springs first then the Broncos have the upper hand in the dealings. If you take Bly before finding Springs a new home then you will get less or nothing for Springs because you eventually have to release him. If Bly and the draft picks are offered (21st, the 2nd and 3rd round) then take those and you will lose on Springs deal most likely. Make the best deal possible.

Posted by: tony | March 7, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I think the biggest complaint about Rocky Mac not getting playing time was that Holdman wasn't playing well his place. If you're going to struggle anyway, do it with the rookie you traded two second rounders for.

Posted by: skinswest | March 7, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

So where are these cap numbers we were promised?

Posted by: skinfanman | March 7, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

You would think with the success that Archuletta has had in the past they would find a way to work him into the mix.

There's too much money involved to be stubborn. if he is being a cancer in the locker room, that is one thing, but that does not appear to be the case.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 7, 2007 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Good afternoon allstar. I hope all is well with you today.

If we are out of it and "can't hold or tackle anyone" sucks. Why not put the kid in and let him learn on the job? Not like we were going anywhere.

Posted by: jm220 | March 7, 2007 12:25 PM | Report abuse

What about trading for draft picks only and taking Bly out of the equation? Then he remains Devner's problem.

KEEP SPRINGS.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 7, 2007 12:25 PM | Report abuse

When you're sober, Nate, you're smart!
Kidding, kidding.....

Posted by: Cindy | March 7, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

How about we CHANGE TOPICS. TOO MANY OPINOINS AND NO ONE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE. MAN DO I FEEL LIKE BOOFER AND HIS BEST FRIEND RIGHT NOW, EXCEPT I'M USING PUNCTUATION.

HEHEHEHEHE

Seriously though, can we talk about something else until new news comes out of this????????

Posted by: 4th | March 7, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

new subject: Sean Taylor vs. God in a golf match...who wins?

Posted by: etrod | March 7, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

The CheeseSteak Factory on M Street in Georgetown does it right.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | March 7, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

A chick pea is neither a chick, nor a pea. Discuss.

Posted by: Linda Richmond | March 7, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

If you're going to struggle anyway, do it with the rookie you traded two second rounders for.

Posted by: skinswest | March 7, 2007 12:16 PM

Only if you earn it in practice -- which should not have been difficult for RackyMac given Holdman's capabilities. I have no insider information on this, but I'm thinking/hoping Jason does.

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 7, 2007 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Trading just draft picks would be fine only if we get there first and second and maybe a third.

Posted by: Tony | March 7, 2007 12:31 PM | Report abuse

OOGA BOOGA BOOGA

Posted by: Anonymous | March 7, 2007 12:32 PM | Report abuse

when they ship styro-foam, what do they pack it in?

Discuss.

Posted by: etrod | March 7, 2007 12:33 PM | Report abuse

CNBC Million Dollar Portfolio Challenge. Who's playing?

Posted by: Warren Buffett | March 7, 2007 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm playing

Posted by: Jimmy Buffett | March 7, 2007 12:35 PM | Report abuse

I believe to trade our #6, we would want Their 1st rounder, OUR 2nd rounder back, 3rd and next year's 1st rounder.........

The Chargers got two 1st rounders when the traded Eli and so did Denver when we traded for their #1.

Posted by: 4th | March 7, 2007 12:35 PM | Report abuse

So one of my friends is going to Vegas this week. He's a virgin and plans on ending such with a visit to one of the many fine places in Vegas that cater to ending such things. My girlfriend and other girls say he'll regret it for the rest of his life. I say as sex-starved as he is, he'll be a brand new man and won't care. Your thoughts?

Posted by: Denesh | March 7, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Etrod - God would win.....

They pack styro foam in boxes packed in styro foam...

Posted by: 4th | March 7, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

RAMA LAMA DING DONG

Posted by: Anonymous | March 7, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

But who's to say Bly plays better than Springs. And who's to say Springs doesn't get hurt, which he probably does? Hell, I'd advocate making the trade for Bly and keeping Springs. Make Rogers a nickle back. Or move Springs to safety. You make this trade because of the picks you get. And if you trade Springs, you give him to a team other than Denver, which is what Jason reported, for more draft picks. They could come away from two deals -- the trade for Bly and the trade of Springs -- with four picks, meaning a net gain of three. That actually makes sense for once.

Posted by: Colin | March 7, 2007 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Why do they call it a sandwich? There's no sand in it. Discuss

Posted by: Anonymous | March 7, 2007 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Blind Squirrel,

Bram is on that same rant again today. I don't even know why I am listening to him, with that annoying, shrill voice. Plus, he's prone to hysteria based on either false or incomplete information. How'd this joker get a show? That's what I need to know.

Posted by: JustMe | March 7, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

cant get OUR 2nd rd df pic back(chicago has it 6th)denver is 21st huge diff?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 7, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Why would you have to fly out to vegas to jump into Manhood? Couldn't he haev just gone to the club and got some female drunk?

Posted by: 4th | March 7, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

JM,
Not too bad for being a Wednesday in the middle of tax season, thanks for asking, but im hoping this snow picks up and I can get out a couple hours early. Im sure most of us know how traffic gets around here when it snows, and I'd like to not be in that tonight.

Do you think they are going to try using AA in the way they intended last year before everyone got hurt? Or do you think that P.P. gets healty and gets the starting spot?

Posted by: allstar | March 7, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

cload, skinswest dc

I too have some doubts bout RockyMac.Might not be real smaaaart. Just a guess but if you can't even see the field, remember he didn't even get garbage time over the first 14 weeks. The guy in front of you has his picture in the dictionary as the definition of "Just a Guy" in the NFL, your defense can't stop anybody you can't get pressure on the QB. finally when RockyMac does play we give 30+ 2 weeks in a row. Holes are gaping ecause maybe he is out of position or running around blocks at the point of attack? I'm not saying, I'm just saying.

Posted by: Old School | March 7, 2007 12:39 PM | Report abuse

"The first form of sandwich is attributed to the ancient Jewish sage Hillel the Elder, who is said to have put meat from the Paschal lamb and bitter herbs inside matzo (or flat bread) during Passover. The filling between the matzos served as a reminder to Israelites of their forced labor constructing Egyptian buildings. During the Middle Ages, thick slabs of coarse bread, called "trenchers", were used as plates. After a meal, the food-soaked trencher was fed to a dog, less fortunate beggars, or eaten by the diner. Trenchers were the harbingers of open-face sandwiches.[1]

The first written usage of the word 'sandwich' appeared in Edward Gibbon's journal, referring to "bits of cold meat" as a 'Sandwich.' It was named after the 4th Earl of Sandwich, an 18th-century English aristocrat, although he was neither the inventor nor sustainer of the food. It is said that Lord Sandwich was fond of this form of food because it allowed him to continue playing cards, particularly cribbage, while eating without getting his cards sticky from eating meat with his bare hands. An alternative theory suggests he may have spent long hours at his desk working and therefore wanted a sandwich, also to eat with his bare hands (see External links).

The Earldom refers to the English town of Sandwich in Kent -- from the Old English Sandwic, meaning "sand place"."

Posted by: 4th via wiki | March 7, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Nate, that was my point with previous post. Whay does Bly have to enter into the equation? If they are hot for our #6, then let's get as much as we can for it and make sure we get the kid from Louisville.

Tony's right- if you get Bly, you have zero leverage to get any value for Springs.

Keep Springs! F Bly!!

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | March 7, 2007 12:41 PM | Report abuse

PLOP PLOP FIZZ FIZZ OH WHAT A RELIEF IT IS

Posted by: Anonymous | March 7, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

No such luck. Dude routinely goes to UVA on the weekends (enough said) and parties like it's 1999, only to end up passed out at an IHOP.

Posted by: Denesh | March 7, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I felt all along PP getting hurt had a much bigger impact on the secondary play last year. already knows the system where arch deluxe was just coming in. That placed arch delux in to more covering than he should have been

Posted by: Northern skins fan | March 7, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Good Point Colin...We have the cap space. Make the trade for Bly and then keep Springs and move him to Safety. Then just let him walk next year when he's a free agent. He'll be 33 and won't be able to land a big contract and may just resign with the Skins for a lesser amount. You would have Springs and Taylor at safety with Bly, Smoot and Rogers at CB. Not bad.

Although that is ALOT of money tied up on the secondary and if our D-Line isn't any good then it really won't matter who we have in the secondary.

Posted by: Rob | March 7, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

And that becomes the question... maybe RockyMac isn't who we know we think he would be.... or something like that. that adds to the benefit of getting Fletcher -- we now have a backup in Marshall that can play all three LB spots; or maybe we have a backup in RockyMac who needs a little more time to learn.

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 7, 2007 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Thats unfair,

whoever among us that has not passed out in IHOP may cast the first stone

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 7, 2007 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Springs has 3 years left on his contract, including this upcoming one

Posted by: Anonymous | March 7, 2007 12:46 PM | Report abuse

How many tackles and interceptions would Sean Taylor have if he played the entire game against Dallas while sitting in a recliner? And what would the final score be?

Posted by: etrod | March 7, 2007 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Call me sensitive but black face ain't cool - even at Halloween. Aunt Jemima hasn't looked like that on the pancake mix box and syrup bottle for almost 20 yrs.

Posted by: LH | March 7, 2007 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I've never passed out in an IHOP.

Posted by: "Hollywood" Hulk Hogan | March 7, 2007 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Thats unfair,

whoever among us that has not passed out in IHOP may cast the first stone

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 7, 2007 12:45 PM

Let me go and get a stone. I will only cast it if double G is the one it's going to hit.

Posted by: jm220 | March 7, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Im coming out there Monday for a conference...what's the weather like?

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 7, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

J. Hayes I think this is the first time I disagree with you..

Denesh: send him to the Bunny Ranch and have him pick porn start and HBO viven Isabella Soprano! He def will not regret for one minute..that wonen's body of work is impressive...

OK now I feel Like Bangbros...

Posted by: Anonymous | March 7, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Denesh- it really depends on the individual and how sentimental the dude is. It could be the best or worst thing that happens to him. It also largely depends on the professional you/he/whoever hires.

Picture this: Bailey and Springs shutting down receivers like mad next year at high altitudes...tell me the blog won't be livid. It would be pure anguish to see those two rip it up as Bly and Rogers talk about double moves and the d-line not doing their part.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | March 7, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

He def will not regret for one minute..

Posted by: | March 7, 2007 12:49 PM

His first time? Give him 20 seconds

Posted by: Anonymous | March 7, 2007 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"... I like Rocky over Lemar at OLB.

Posted by: allstar | March 7, 2007 12:14 PM"

allstar, I predict that both will be starting, at least for the first few weeks of the season, with Lemar on the stong side. Among the other lessons learned, I think the Skins might have figured out (from the Springs shabingus) that you can't rush a serious injury/surgery near the groin back onto the field ... so they will force Marcus to limit his playing time.

Old School, smarts is the one thing that RockyMac was supposed to have before we drafted him. Academic All-American or something like that. He's one of the six Skins participating in the NFL's offseason grad school program -- 6 week MBA-lite (Springs also a participant). Maybe you are talking about football smarts, not sure how you measure that.

etrod, not a fair competition btwn Sean Taylor and God on the golf course. Sean Taylor can't get a ball down the fairway. The speed at which his club makes contact with the ball tends to turn the ball into dust.

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

How about this:

Spring stays where he is.

Bly stays where he is.

We use our #6 pick to trade for more picks and beef up our team. Maybe even pick up a young CB to groom.

Posted by: JoeyV | March 7, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Cruel Irony -- Springs plays 16 for Detroit while Bly misses 10 games with a "high ankle sprain".

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 7, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

also: Bly, Rogers, Smoot ... very high collective punk-ass attitude among the group...No seasoned vet leader in the bunch. I love Smoot but we really only need one of him.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | March 7, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I have a feeling he's going to leave as "Steve Urkel", and return as "Stephan." Ah, family matters, great show. I ain't knocking on IHOP, though I prefer 7-Eleven taquitos as my drunk food #1 choice.

Posted by: Denesh | March 7, 2007 12:55 PM | Report abuse

etrod,

Sean Taylor folds the entire Dallas offense into the recliner. Game over. Score? Dallas nothing. Sean Taylor infinity ... twice.

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2007 12:55 PM | Report abuse

it was a trick question. Sean Taylor is God.

Posted by: etrod | March 7, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: | March 7, 2007 12:49 PM

His first time? Give him 20 seconds

Posted by: | March 7, 2007 12:50 PM

LMAO! That's soo wrong.

Posted by: jm220 | March 7, 2007 12:58 PM | Report abuse

JoeyV, now you're talking.

Denver, you want to trade? Trades with Washington very nice? NO TRADES FOR YOU. NEXT!

Instead, trade pick 6 for more picks, esp. with teams that have more than two picks in the first two rounds. Chicago got a high second rounder for Thomas Jones. Trade #6 for their Super Bowl losing first round pick, their high second rounder, and a blocking tight end.

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2007 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I think the Bly trade is a no-brainer if you add picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. And, if La Canf's info is correct on their cap status and what they could also save by cutting John Hall (should've been done already) and Renaldo Wynn (anyone heard is name on games in the last few years sans announcing the starting lineups?) you could keep Springs in the fold as well.

Fans complained last year about the lack of depth at corner. If you can keep Springs while getting Bly and having Smoot and Rogers too, you want to complain about that depth at corner versus guys like Kenny Wright, Mike Rumph and whatever other NFL Europe DB's we threw out there? Personally I'll take this trade if Springs stays as well.

Posted by: Tony | March 7, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

re: smarts is the one thing that RockyMac was supposed to have before we drafted him...

I tried to caveat my initial remarks with "I don't know anything about this, but..." but as Unfrozen Caveman Blogger, my primitive mind can't comprehend the nuances of a cover-2 defense, or the existence of something called a cover-0 defense which I pulled out of my a$$ a week ago only to find that it really exists; but I do know that most NFL coaches like to win, and will put better players on the field in order to do so; and my client, RockyMac, is entitled to no less than 22 defensive plays per game, 14 special teams plays per game, and $1 million in punitive damages.

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 7, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

dcsween,

I agree, we don't need Bly, we can afford to pay Springs. It's all BS. Just keep Springs and add to the team and we will be good. At least we know what Springs brings to the table and Bly is like 5'9" and 185lbs... he is too small! We want guys that can hit people!!!

Posted by: JoeyV | March 7, 2007 1:04 PM | Report abuse

"Is there anything else I can do for you Mr. Unfrozen Caveman Blogger?"

"YEAH! Gimme another Dewars and water!"

In Memoriam, the late great Phil Hartman

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2007 1:06 PM | Report abuse

All I am going to say about Springs is this. All of you who are calling for Springs to stay. (not that I really want him to go but more draft picks to get younger I like better) When he gets hurt next year and doesn't play more than 10 games. Remember you didn't want the trade. No, I don't want him to get hurt but you know it's going to happen.

Posted by: jm220 | March 7, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

But if Springs "hits people" his is more likely than not to miss the next three to five games with an injury; leaving us where were left last year. Bly is insurance.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 7, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Hey -- who all was in the "continuity is king, no massive changes" camp before March Madness (a new trademark of the NFL FA season -- won't the NCAA be surprised!)?

The Bly trade goes beyond that limited mandate, IMHO; Fletcher addressed a need at MLB, Smoot addressed a need at locker-room trash talker (holding my judgement about on-field skillz and seamanship), and Dockery addressed the FO's ability to push away from the table without taking that extra bite.

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 7, 2007 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Either he was hammered during the interview or was talking about CFL or Arena. From washtimes:

"I might have been able to play more on defense somewhere else, but I didn't want to go anywhere," Jimoh said. "I'm very happy in Washington. I'm glad to have the security of a three-year contract."

Posted by: cdubb | March 7, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

dc

its only a couple games, but it does make you think. given our talent evaluation expertise. I mean something was up. Not playing rooks is not really fair on griliams. sean t played lots and eventually started, same with double move, golsten. I just saying you move up to take him, he is a high pick, the guy infront of him sucks, we suck.

Posted by: Old School | March 7, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

JMU in the house. I'm personally stoked that we might turn our 6th pick into more draft picks and get Bly in the deal. Might be the first good deal in awhile.

Posted by: tampdave | March 7, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

denesh, how old is this dude? Make sure he takes plenty of protection. At least he will not have to tell the girl he loves her.

Jm220, I do not agree with you. Mark my words....If Springs leaves the Skins and goes to Denver (or whereever), he will play every game and lead the NFL in interceptions.

Posted by: Lisa | March 7, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

cdubb

you forgot to add Austialian Rules Football
to the list of other leagues Jimoh was threating to take his "skills"

Posted by: Old School | March 7, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

I've made my feelings known on the subject, but I'm still not sure why the Redskins would feel the necessary need to move Springs immediately upon acquiring Bly. As I've posted before, I say keep Springs and see how it all plays out. Absorb the cash and add some depth in the secondary. I'm sure they can figure out a way to keep everything under the cap. But regardless of all that, the trade with Denver, as Jason outlined, must happen.

Posted by: Colin | March 7, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

If we can keep Springs do it. If not, get Bly and some picks. But people need to stop beating on Springs regarding his durability. He's been in the league 10 years and has only three season where he's played 10 games or less and has never played fewer than 8 games. He has two 15 game seasons with the Skins. He said he suffered last year because he tried to come back too soon to help the the team.

Posted by: LH | March 7, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

cdubb- Any details on Jimoh's 3-year deal? I haven't seen any. Hopefully the signing bonus was about a dollar

Posted by: 4-12 | March 7, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

he will play every game and lead the NFL in interceptions.

Posted by: Lisa | March 7, 2007 01:16 PM

Playing across from Champ and if he stays healthy he just might.

Posted by: skinswest | March 7, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I'm for the deal if Springs stays.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | March 7, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Lets go get Patrick Ramsey back...

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 7, 2007 1:28 PM | Report abuse

You know I have been thinking about this and generally where there is smoke there is fire. Whether I agree or not, I have a feeling Bly will be a Redskin.

Springs will be skiing in Colorado...

And we (the fans) will be optimistic about the future... until the first pre-season game... then we will say... "Just wait for the regular season to begin because this coaching stuff shows nothing in the pre-season."

All I am hoping for is a healthy Clinton Portis.


Posted by: JoeyV | March 7, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

When I hear reports that American companies are losing millions of dollars in productivity because of the internet, I always wondered if it was true. Now I see where all that time is going on someone else's penny. Don't you all feel any shame??

Posted by: me | March 7, 2007 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for this trade, but ONLY IF we get a #1, #2, and #3, ALONG with Bly. Anything less than that, and we're not making forward progress.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | March 7, 2007 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Don't you all feel any shame??

Hell no it's called multi tasking. And I am sure you still believe Bush that there is WMD in Iraq. Smack to the back of your damn head.

Posted by: jm220 | March 7, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

If Springs is traded, cut and we don't end up with Dre "Cry Baby Cause I Want Out of Denver" Bly for whatever reason, maybe we can pick up this guy. Here are his stats from his Pro Day (courtesy of NFL.com)

Courtney Brown DB - The Cal-Poly SLO product worked out at San Jose as part of their pro day and he really stood out with eye-popping numbers. He originally started school there as a wide receiver and was moved to DB in 2004. Brown (6-1 3/8, 200) ran two 40s, notching a 4.35 and 4.32. He had a vertical jump of 41 ½ inches, a 10-foot-11 broad jump, a 4.07 short shuttle, a 7.10 three-cone and 15 bench presses.

Posted by: Skins Fan in the 'Ville | March 7, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

me, no shame here, thanks for asking.

Cheyenne, Patrick Ramsey is visiting today in ... wait for it ... Denver.

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

joeyv

good points today.

My disclaimer. "I don't care who we sign, cut, trade or keep, just be right."

Posted by: Old School | March 7, 2007 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Forgot to source that. Scroll down to the paragraph above the numbers.

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

No, no shame at all. People in our generation have generally learned how to multitask, not to mention there have been numerous studies that show that taking a 2-3 min break every little while during the workday, to email, blog, or just walk, has increased productivity throughout the workday.

With your permission JM...SMACK to the back of your head with a shovel!

Posted by: allstar | March 7, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Haven't seen any #'s on Jimoh's contract. Sure it will barely dent the $8 million the Skins have cleared in cap room to do whatever their master plan is. Hope its nothing that will damage all the good things people have been saying over the last week about their disciplined approach.

Posted by: cdubb | March 7, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Red, red wine
Go to my head
Make me forget that i
Still need her so

Red, red wine
It`s up to you
All I can do, i`ve done
But mem`ries won`t go
No, mem`ries won`t go

I`d have thought
That with time
Thoughts of her
Would leave my head
I was wrong
And I find
Just one thing makes me forget

Red, red wine
Stay close to me
Don`t let me be alone
It`s tearin` apart
My blue, blue heart

---red red wine rap section---

Red red wine you make me feel so fine
You keep me rocking all of the time

Red red wine you make me feel so grand
I feel a million dollars when your just in my hand

Red red wine you make me feel so sad
Any time I see you go it makes me feel bad

Red red wine you make me feel so fine
Monkey pack him rizla pon the sweet dep line

Red red wine you give me whole heap of zing
Whole heap of zing mek me do me own thing

Redred wine you really know how fi love
Your kind of loving like a blessing from above

Red red wine I love you right from the start
Right from the start with all of my heart

Red red wine in a 80`s style
Red red wine in a modern beat style, yeah

(chorus)

Give me little time, help me clear up me mind
Give me little time, help me clear up me mind

Give me red wine because it make me feel fine
Mek me feel fine all of the time

Red red wine you make me feel so fine
Monkey pack him rizla on the sweet dep line

The line broke, the monkey get choke
Burn bad rizla pon him little rowing boat


Red red wine i`m gonna hold to you
Hold on to you cause I know you love true

Red red wine i`m gonna love you till I die
Love you till I die and that`s no lie

Red red wine can`t get you out my mind
Where ever you maybe i`ll surely find
I`ll surely find make no fuss jus` stick with us.

(chorus)

Red red wine you really know how fi love
Your kind of loving like a blessing from above

Red red wine I love you right from the start
Right from the start with all of my heart

Red red wine you really know how fi love
Your kind of loving like a blessing from above

Red red wine you give me whole heap of zing
Whole heap of zing mek me do me own thing

Red red wine in a 80`s style

Red red wine in a modern beat style, yeah.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 7, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

sorry i was out to lunch. he's 24. now that previous post was definitely bankrupting a company.

Posted by: Denesh | March 7, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Bly, Smoot, and Rodgers will be our corners while Springs (under the terms of his current contract without restructuring) will be playing opposite, and directing traffic for, the human wrecking ball Sean Taylor at safety. Finally, we will have somebody back there that can guide Taylor like Ryan Clark did.

Posted by: drbatch | March 7, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

That would be great, except that Springs said at the beginning of the offseason when that was first brought up, that he did not want to play safety.

Posted by: allstar | March 7, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Enough with Dre Bly talks. What are we doing to replace Dock?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 7, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Chris Larry wears a dress.

LMAO!

Posted by: jm220 | March 7, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I have a feeling we are going to be seeing a bunch of Pucillo and a rookie sharing time, or battling out in the preseason.

Posted by: drbatch | March 7, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

"Last month, the Broncos made a proposal involving middle linebacker Al Wilson, their first-round pick (21st overall), a third-round pick and perhaps a second-round pick to land Washington's sixth-overall pick, according to a source, but the Redskins preferred Fletcher..."

Well geez, why didn't they take that from the Broncos? Shoulda done it.

Posted by: charlie | March 7, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Chris Larry is a cowboys fan.

who also wears dresses.

Posted by: allstar | March 7, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Don't you all feel any shame??

Posted by: me | March 7, 2007 01:33 PM

??? Can someone tell me what shame means?

Posted by: charlie | March 7, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

We need a new post soon! We are counting on you Jason!

Posted by: ce1782 | March 7, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Chris Larry wears a dress.

LMAO!

Posted by: jm220 | March 7, 2007 02:06 PM


Still trying to bait him? LMAO. You know cL sitting there thinking "jm is, um, jm likes to, um, jm looks like, um, um, jm eats red meat!"

Posted by: 4-12 | March 7, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Sorry JM, thought it might work if someone he didn't know did it. I tried. Lots of restraint this one has.

Posted by: allstar | March 7, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey you gotta wear something that properly matches a blouse.

Posted by: Chris Larry | March 7, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

4-12 lol. Well things were going slow and I had nothing better to do. lol

Posted by: JM220 | March 7, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

chris Larry wears a Tony Romo jersey.

Posted by: etrod | March 7, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

JASON. WAKE IT UP.

Are we getting Bly or not? Stop your bush beataround.

Posted by: Mike | March 7, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Well done CL, well done.

Posted by: allstar | March 7, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Well she sneaks around the world from Kiev to Carolina,
She's a sticky-fingered filcher from Berlin down to Belize,
She'll take you for a ride on a slow boat to China,
Tell me where in the world is Carmen Sandiego?

Steal their Seoul in South Korea, make Antarctica cry Uncle,
From the Red Sea to Greenland they'll be singing the blues,
Well they never Arkansas her steal the Mekong from the jungle,
Tell me where in the world is Carmen Sandiego?

She go from Nashville to Norway, Bonaire to Zimbabwe,
Chicago to Czechoslovakia and back!

Well she'll ransack Pakistan and run a scam in Scandinavia,
Then she'll stick 'em up Down Under and go pick-pocket Perth,
She put the Miss in misdemeanor when she stole the beans from Lima,
Tell me where in the world is Carmen Sandiego?
Oh tell me where in the world is... Oh tell me where can she be?

Ooh, Botswana to Thailand, Milan via Amsterdam,
Mali to Bali, Ohio, Oahu...!

Well she glides around the globe and she'll flimflam every nation,
She's a double-dealing diva with a taste for thievery,
Her itinerary's loaded up with moving violations,
Tell me where in the world is Carmen Sandiego?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 7, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Since the blog has turned to dresses and blouses, and by the way that would be a skirt, not a dress to match a blouse, at what point does a newbie become a regular. Is it a period of time? Is it a number of posts? Is there a test you take? Do you get points for just being a reader and if so how do you then know he/she is just reading all the time? Perhaps there should be a test, something you can download. I will go back to reading now and hopefully get some answers. As to Bly--keep him in Denver, figure out how to get the kid from louisville or even better landry

Posted by: connskins | March 7, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

When I wake up in the morning
And the 'larm lets out a warning
I don't think I'll ever make it on time
By the time I got my books I give myself a look
I'm at the corner just in time to see the bus slide by

It's alright cause I'm saved by the bell

If the teacher pops a test I know I'm a mess
And my dog ate all my homework last night
Riding low in my chair she won't know that I'm there
If I can hand it in tomorrow it'll be alright

It's alright cause I'm saved by the bell

It's alright cause I'm saved by the...
It's alright cause I'm saved by the...
It's alright cause I'm saved by the bell.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 7, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

"Can someone tell me what shame means?

Posted by: charlie | March 7, 2007 02:11 PM"

Bart: Wow, my father an astronaut. I feel so full of...what's the opposite of shame?

Marge: Pride?

Bart: No, not 'that' far from shame.

Homer: [quavering] Less shame?

Bart: [happy] Yeah...

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2007 2:38 PM | Report abuse

connskins,

I'm not sure of the exact moment you become accepted as a regular but I can tell you that you will be accepted sooner if you don't keep posting lyrics to 80's tv shows, asking where you can get a good pastrami sandwich or professing your man love for Sean Taylor (guilty).

Posted by: etrod | March 7, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

"Tell me where in the world is Carmen Sandiego?

Posted by: | March 7, 2007 02:24 PM"

Sean Taylor knows exactly where in the world Carmen Sandiego is.

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Just because you were saved by the bell doesn't mean you're safe from Sean Taylor.

Posted by: etrod | March 7, 2007 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Jason finally fell asleep or Gibbs broke his computer for leaking info...

Posted by: JoeyV | March 7, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

" ... or professing your man love for Sean Taylor (guilty).

Posted by: etrod | March 7, 2007 02:40 PM"

With Sean Taylor, there is no question of guilt or innocence. The only question is whether you are a punter who decided not to punt.

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Posting lyrics to an 80's TV show would take way too long, and I can't type that fast, I live too far away from DC to get a Pastrami Sandwich and that person wants to know where to get one in DC. Not guilty on all 3 accounts

Posted by: connskins | March 7, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Ingretients:
* 2 lbs ground beef
* 1 teaspoon Salt
* 2 tablespoons Chilli powder
* 2 tablespoons Paprika
* 1 teaspoon Cumin
* 1 teaspoon Garlic powder or 2 cloves
* 1/2 diced Bell pepper
* 1/2 diced medium Onion
* 12 corn tortillas

Instructions for taco recipe: In 2 quart sauce pan add ground beef, salt, chili powder, garlic, cumin, paprika, enough water to cover meat.

Bring to a boil. Simmer over medium low heat about an hour. Then add 1/2 medium chopped onion, 1/2 medium chopped bell pepper continue cooking 20 or 30 more minutes.

Soft beef Tacos: Heat oil in skillet. Cook corn tortillas, one at a time, in hot oil until soft, about 10 to 15 seconds; drain.

Spoon 2 Tablespoons of the beef taco meat in center of each tortilla.Fold tortilla over meat; or roll up like an enchilada.

Garnish with tomato, lettuce, and cheese. Topped with sour cream and guacamole would be great. Rice and refried beans , would complete the plate. Serving Salsa on the side.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 7, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Chloe's sleeping
So he's watching Man U v. Lille on the duece....

No posts today

So get back to work you bloody wankers

Posted by: Tommy Smyth | March 7, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

1. Denver's getting desparate on Bly. AP item reported on ESPN about how they're willing to wait until he sees what a wonderful opportunity he has in the mile-high.

2. If the Skins want to draft Okoye, they better do it with the #6 pick. He's rocketing up the mocks. The current round of mocks on CBS (or is it Fox) has him going 8, 9, or 10.

Posted by: KK | March 7, 2007 2:51 PM | Report abuse

It looks like loco mullen's kid got hold of the computer today.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 7, 2007 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor let the dogs out.

Posted by: etrod | March 7, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Someone definitely has too much time on their hands.

Posted by: Lisa | March 7, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

"1. Denver's getting desparate on Bly. AP item reported on ESPN about how they're willing to wait until he sees what a wonderful opportunity he has in the mile-high."

Could you imagine if you or I said this about our job? Do you think your boss would say the same thing about you?

If the NFL is a business then I believe that AP report to be just propaganda. Denver will move Bly if he is unhappy.

Posted by: JoeyV | March 7, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

We all do, Lisa.

Posted by: etrod | March 7, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

KK, if the disinformation machine kicks in with the intention of moving Branch down in the mock drafts, then it makes sense that pumping Okoye would do that. I'm not saying that Okoye didn't have an outstanding performance at the Combine (he did), but mock drafts COMPLETELY missed Buffalo picking Donte Whitner (safety) so early last year, then everyone trashed Buffalo for picking him, which was followed by a great year by Whitner. Mock drafts are helpful/interesting to learn about players, but the way to find good players is to look at game film. Teams have staffs who do that ... mock draft boards are one or two guys at a pop. Even Kiper is only one guy who tries to fit a player for every team (compared to groups of team scouts, plus coaches, who evaluate need and talent for a particular team). Besides, the draft is 3 weeks away. Buzz will change plenty before then.

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

JoeyV--

Exactly. But I'm trying to remember when anyone who works at my company was ever traded for two players and a fifth round draft pick. There's a few who should be traded but...

Posted by: KK | March 7, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Say, any of you nerds in this cyber circle jerk know where I can get some steamed squash?

Posted by: daveb55 | March 7, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

'it makes sense that pumping Okoye would do that'

That's what she said.

Posted by: Michael Scott | March 7, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Daveb55 just come on over to my place since your wife is making me some steamed squash right now.

Posted by: Dave | March 7, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

New thread. Not much, but at least it's new.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 7, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

So get back to work you bloody wankers

Posted by: Tommy Smyth | March 7, 2007 02:50 PM

Can someone tell me what work means?

Posted by: charlie | March 7, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Newbie here just started reading and making a couple posts this weekend. Living in Ohio its hard to find people or places to talk about my skins and now i think i have found the place. Just one thing though, when I make a post or read other posts to read more I have to refresh the site is their a better way. Any help would be appreciated.

Posted by: Brut | March 7, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Say, any of you nerds in this cyber circle jerk know where I can get some steamed squash?

Posted by: daveb55 | March 7, 2007 02:59 PM

I didn't know that squash get angry. Just proves that you learn something new everyday!

Posted by: charlie | March 7, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

""Sam Adams should have been on the Pats. If you have free time this can be fun, if anyone has any other Name to Team associations let me know.""

Okay, I have a few. First one is that we should bring in "Pork Chop" Womack to Washington to join the Hogs. With all the snow that they've had, we should send Derrick Frost to Buffalo. WR Aaron Moorehead and CB Randall Gay should be sent to San Francisco, but I won't elaborate. Safety Coy Wire and LB Grant Irons should go to the Steelers, and last but not least, we need to get Brandon Short away from the Giants.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 7, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

John Hall thankfully has been cut. Lets sure up more draft picks and keep Springs. What I would like to see happen, make a trade with Carolina - our 6th for their 1st (14th) and 2nd (45th) - (This going strictly thinking Carolina would want to jump ahead of everyone for the race to get Quinn with last years poor performance from Delhomme) We would then "hope" that OKEYE falls to 14 and if not we pick up the best avail DT or DE, then with the 45th pick, we select Ben Grubbs - the OG from Auburn. ANNNND with our 4th round pick, CB Eric Wright from UNLV or the blazing fast, cover corner Travarous Bain from Hampton. Just my 2 cents.

Posted by: hail to 'em | March 7, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

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