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My Pitch To The Owner/Lloyd Update

I figured with everyone clearly looking ahead to 2007 I would take a few cracks at seeing if the owner felt inclined to weigh in any of the huge issues facing the franchise, you know, since he's the top dog and all. There was all the confusion prompted by Joe Gibbs on Monday, with his I'm-staying-but-I-don't-want-to-come-right-out-and-say-it, oh-shoot-better-come-back-in-the-media-room-after-the-presser-and-just-say-it deal, and the entire town had commenced with speculation about the annual binge and purge at Redskins Park.

So I sent our guy Karl Swanson a few emails seeing if his boss cared to share his thoughts with the good people of Washington about any of the various topics on their mind. The answer was the predictable no, but I figured no harm is asking.

Karl responded to my initial request that all of those questions should be directed to Coach Joe.

So I responded by trying to clarify why these topics would be germane to Dan as well:

Joe works for Dan, and Dan, after investing so much in the franchise, would surely have thoughts and ideas about how things have progressed - or failed to progress - over the last three years, as well as his thoughts about how the front office structure is working, or not working.
That is what I am getting at. The people who spend their hard-earned money to support his product are wondering what the person atop the hierarchy feels about the plight of the team. That's why I'm asking.
If he has nothing to say, as per the norm, again, I understand, but these would be questions very much for the owner, and not the coach/pres.
Anyway, I figured as much.

Karl's not biting. His response:

Dan has no comment. Joe is fully responsible and empowered to handle all these things.

Oh, well, can't blame a dude for trying.

And now for some Brandon Lloyd news...

I wasn't able to see him at Redskins Park yesterday, but his PR person (yes, he has a PR person!) emailed that his conversations Joe Gibbs went well and that, according to her, he will be active for Sunday's game against the Eagles. We'll know more when we're able to speak to Gibbs and Lloyd after practice today.

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 6, 2006; 7:00 AM ET
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Posted by: Anonymous | December 6, 2006 7:05 AM | Report abuse

romo = scott mitchell

Posted by: tampadave | December 6, 2006 7:39 AM | Report abuse

Well since it's an ownership topic and it's all fantasy football to them, I pose the following questions for the Nation on the most important topic to me right now: winning in the first round of my fantasy football playoffs. So:

Kitna or Vince Young at QB?

Do y'all think Santana Moss will have another big game or will Colsten be healthy enough by Sunday to play and have a bigger game? Or should I play both and bench Houshmanzadeh?

For BOOFER and his many personalities: do you think Marion Barber will blow up again?

C'mon people -- this is serious stuff!

-laughs- (Yeah, I know - nothing is more fascinating than YOUR fantasy football and nothing is more boring than anyone else's! But hey, I can't blog during the day anymore, so I thought I'd throw this out over breakfast and come back later tonight to see if I got any advice!)

Posted by: HaikuMan | December 6, 2006 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Here's the 2007 schedule thus far:

New York Giants
Dallas Cowboys
Philadelphia Eagles
NFC West
Green Bay
New England
NY Jets
New York Giants
Dallas Cowboys
Philadelphia Eagles
NFC South

Gibbs is back. So then Al & Vinny have to go. If that's done, maybe 8-8. If not, 5-11.

Posted by: Montana'Skins Fan | December 6, 2006 7:55 AM | Report abuse

It's sort of like the whole city has been waiting three years since Gibbs return to get our chance to yell our heads off (either in the stands or at the TV) during a glorious home play-off game, something to validate all that hope that was buzzing around when Gibbs returned.

The streak was ok, but somehow the play-off game we won in Tampa was not real enough, nobody got a chance to celebrate, sing hail to the Redskins in our own park. Just more media saying the offense stunk.

Someone has to really ask Dan Snyder, when will the fans gets to let loose of all this angst that has been building since the 90's. When we will we get to let go of that stifled play-off cheer we had been hoping to get off in 2006?

Some of the anger this year has to be related to crushing the hope of the fans. Hope that was fueled by everyone in the organization who said this year was a Superbowl year. It turns out not even a winning year.

Posted by: Stifled | December 6, 2006 8:00 AM | Report abuse

I don't blame you for trying, but I think that this blog will continue to cost you objectivity and access.

It'd be hard for Snyder to grant you an interview, even if you he was sure you would report it factually and objectively in the print edition, because he knows you'd come on here and editorialize, no matter how objective your actual article would be.

And blogs show up in other people's papers and other people's blogs.

Also, "especially when teammate Brandon Lloyd is throwing helmets -- and tantrums" this is editorial, not reporting, and it does not allow Lloyd the opportunity to respond.


Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | December 6, 2006 8:03 AM | Report abuse


Gag me.....Keep up JLaC!!!!!

Posted by: Chris Larry | December 6, 2006 8:17 AM | Report abuse


Doesn't surprise me at all, but thanks for trying. Snyder bends us fans over and steals our money, but he then he refuses to answer to the hand that feeds him when the tough gets going (which is now the norm).

What a joke. I can't wait to see the amount of empty seats and artificial crowd noise they have to pump in at next year's games.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 6, 2006 8:26 AM | Report abuse

HaikuMan go with Houshmanzadeh. I bench him last week and lost out on 16 points. The play the Browns this week.

JLC nothing wrong with trying my friend. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: Anonymous | December 6, 2006 8:36 AM | Report abuse

HaikuMan in the last couple of games BARBER has picked up carries and this will continue(he is a beast around the endzone)jones keeps him fresh for 2nd half where he gets most touches.Saints just lost best DT they have.BARBER will have great fantasy #s this week(opinion not fact)hope I could help...

Posted by: Anonymous | December 6, 2006 8:37 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: Anonymous | December 6, 2006 8:41 AM | Report abuse


Good effort - but I can't say I blame matter what he says or does the media has twisted it to his disadvantage in the past.

As for Lloyd, again the media has made a big deal out of nothing. It appears to me that Joe Gibbs was asked a question about Lloyd at the presser - he did not bring the topic up. Then it becomes a HUGE story in the newspapers and on TV - much bigger than it warranted.

Posted by: Lisa | December 6, 2006 8:58 AM | Report abuse

It's funny how the Post never recognizes the fact Snyder talked to the Washington Times after last season.

Instead they just lie to their readers and say Snyder never talks to the media.

Tell that to the Washington Times.

They'll probably get his interview again this year because of some of La Canfora's work on this blog and Shapiro's rant a few weeks ago.

Posted by: Cliff Huxtable | December 6, 2006 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Cliff, you just proved how insecure and disturbing Dan Snyder is.

Napolean doesn't like WTEM 980 so he forms his own radio station and buys off some of the other stations employees to report "happy news" about the team.

Napolean doesn't like the line of questioning from the Comcast post game crew so he threatens to strip their access unless they discipline a member of the media doing his job.

Napolean doesn't like some stories The Washington Post writes so he strips their season tickets... which is a joke because the next year Snyder made a business deal with StubHub... hypocritical JERK.

And there are so many more examples of his lunacy.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 6, 2006 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Jason, thanks for trying. I'd love to see Snyder show up for a Guest Blog but, alas, if he were so inclined I'm sure he'd go straight to his own website's Message Board instead. Surely, he would view blogging on the Redskins Insider as a failure to promote his own website.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 6, 2006 9:11 AM | Report abuse


Another great example.... Snyder forms an allegiance with a fan message board and pays homer fans to criticize and contradict every negative comment made about him and the team.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 6, 2006 9:14 AM | Report abuse

While I'm dying to hear Snyder try to talk his way out of this debacle after years of high expectations and higher ticket prices, I'm not sure it's what the team needs now. If he comes forward to elaborate on free agent acquisitions, defensive woes, Saunders, etc it will only undermine Gibbs and create the internal strife that was so damaging under Spurrier & Marty.

He needs to put the heat on Gibbs behind closed doors and force him to deliver.

The fans need to make a statement to the owner and start giving away their tickets to opposing fans. I hate to say it, but up here in NY when the Giants stunk so bad a few years back the fans really took it to the organization and the organization responded.

Our fan base is more refined, passionate and football smart but enough is enough. We're being had.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | December 6, 2006 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Ricky Bobby,

Give me a break.

The Times is just as hard on Snyder as anyone. They just don't have the arrogance of the Post, which is probably why Snyder talks to them and not the Post, something the latter never recognizes.

The team's issues with 980 and the Postgame Live show all revolve around Steve Czaban, who is easily the most obnoxious sports media personality in the area and someone most Redskins fans don't particularly like.

The Redskins were right to shut Czaban out because the guy asks questions everybody knows sports coaches and players of any stripe are never going to answer.

He just does it to be confrontational and macho and to put these guys in awkward situations because's he not afraid to go there himself because he's low rent trash.

He was pretty proud of the fact his Brunell confrontation on Comcast got on YouTube. That's what this guy is worried about. How many people are noticing his performances.

There's nothing he asks that Sonny Jurgensen or Sam Huff or Bram Weinstein doesn't bring up. They just do it with more class. Czaban's like a 15 year old kid.

People like that deserve access to the team, not Czaban.

Posted by: Cliff Huxtable | December 6, 2006 9:36 AM | Report abuse

JlaC, I appreciate the effort, as I'm sure all skins fans would love to hear what Snyder has to say about this year, but it is pretty well documented that he doesn't talk to the press during the season. Part of his whole "hands-off, good owner" tact he has been trying to change his image the last few years. I'm sure I'm not telling you anything you don't know. So trying to get him to answer questions at this point in the year is a bit unrealistic, don't ya think? He didn't come out and talk last year when we were in the playoffs, so why would he now that we are having a losing season? But def appreciate the effort, on this and many fronts.

Posted by: WrongDog | December 6, 2006 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Cliff - if you saw Czaban in public would you:

A. Hug him and offer him your first born
B. Prostrate self and kiss the hem of is perfectly ironed khakis
C. Break a credit card creating a sharp plastic edge and go for the ear drum
or D. Attempt to bite through his windpipe like dog?

R-bobby - how bout dem roadies next year? You thinking what I'm thinking? HERE WE COME FOXBORO! Can't wait to snowball wrapped battery belli.


Posted by: Pub Golf | December 6, 2006 9:41 AM | Report abuse

What are the chances that Redskins management perks up a bit when they can't find suckers ('er fans) to renew the 10 year licenses on the club seats that start to come due next year along with a hefty price increase? Sure, there is still a waiting list for tickets, but my name has come up three times in the past four years, so what does that tell you? Who is really going to purchase season tickets in the upper level when you can get tickets on gameday for a discount?

Posted by: Lester Burnham | December 6, 2006 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Haikuman, I say Kitna over Young. First, I remain stunned how close the Lions came to beating the Patriots, and this week they play the Vikings. Mike Furrey (WR/DET) is the proverbial man (DB last year, WR this year ... and on fire statistically). Second, Titans play Houston. All other things being even, I say the Titans win it on Travis Henry's toes, but the division match up in that division leads to wierd results (see Indianapolis' performance within the division).

On your WRs, Santana knows how to make plays against the Eagles' secondary ... and Housh will be up against Oaklands. Colston is rookie of the year material, but N.O. does have a good stable of receivers and Dallas' secondary is the better of the three [NO CRED IMPLIED. COWPUKE FAN POSTS IN CAPS STILL SUCK!]

On Barber, check the free agents available again, esp. if Norwood or D'Angelo Williams are available. Both look to get lots of yards (maybe even a TD) against soft rushing defenses.

Posted by: dcsween | December 6, 2006 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Cliff Huxtable is really Rev. Sun Myung Moon.

Posted by: Chief Clancy Wiggum | December 6, 2006 10:09 AM | Report abuse

You thought Steve Czaben was bad??

Come to my house when all of us are cussin all the 'Skins out in HD during the game........

Posted by: 4th Floor | December 6, 2006 10:10 AM | Report abuse

J La, nice article to recognize the awesomeness of Santana Moss as an adult and a professional. Hopefully, some of that can rub off on BLloyd, i.e., so he settles down, shuts up, and catches balls. BLloyd has demonstrated the ability (his preseason performance goes a long way for me in the demonstration department), so hopefully he can focus on his maturity. One would have thought that a new child (he/his wife's first) would help that.

Also got a good feeling from Howard's article about Andre Carter. Seems consistent with everything I read last spring, i.e., about how his internal life is much more active than he shows. Hopefully, the Falcons game was the 'click' for him. [Too bad Archuleta didn't have one of those. He seems like an intensely mental player too.]

To cap off the 'good things come in threes' theme, I loved that St. Joe singled out Rock for special attention. Motivating words about character and he never said "guts out".

Last year Miami ended on a string of wins. Even if we do end up at the bottom of the NFC East, seems like the best way to start the offseason is on a high note, esp. to keep guys wanting to attend off-season workouts.

Posted by: dcsween | December 6, 2006 10:10 AM | Report abuse

4th what are they talking about on 980 this morning?

Posted by: jm220 | December 6, 2006 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I just typed a novel and it didn't go through. Perhaps even the blog program is sick of my ramblings. My take:

Danny does himself no good by commenting. I mean be honest, what other than, "I'm selling the team." would make any of us happy? Nothing, we'd find a reason to be critical. Plus maybe this really is all Gibbs decision-making and he has a deal with Gibbs to stay out of it. He's doing exactly what we chastised at him for not doing under Shottenheimer.

Second, JLa's blog affecting his credibility. I actually have thought about this. I can see how you'd make the argument but I dont' think it matters.

1. I think we are vastly overstating the importance of this blog. As important as I'd like to think I am in Redskins nation I doubt anyone cares.

2. Everyone knows that reporters have opinions and biases. Provided they don't come out in articles I dont' think it matters what is said on this blog.


I completely understand where you are coming from but Reporters editorialize all the time not just in Sports (Wilbon, Woody and just about everyone) but in all forms of media (Will, Stephonopolis, Woodward)I don't think this used to be the case but it is in today's world.

Posted by: Skinz | December 6, 2006 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Its in the background as I am working. But they are taking calls from listeners about 'What Now?'. They are talking about everything from Owner-GM - Coaches - Players. Of course they moest have got this topic from JLaC's Blog........

Posted by: 4th | December 6, 2006 10:15 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: Anonymous | December 6, 2006 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Jerry for president, free cosmetic surgery for everyone.

Posted by: Skinz | December 6, 2006 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Win now.

Perhaps it's time to realize that it's not all Danny's fault, and maybe...just maybe, Coach Joe is not getting the job done.

Maybe, just maybe, he bought into the idea that free agency and $50M in coaches would guarantee a SuperBowl within 5 years.

My wishes for next year:
- get a GM, Joe
- budget for high priced free agency: 1 CB, that's it; the rest should be spent on depth
- OK, let Saunders stay and call the plays, but the rule is he must call at least 25 runs per game

Posted by: Daddd-O | December 6, 2006 10:21 AM | Report abuse

The game dictates how many running plays you get.......

Posted by: 4th | December 6, 2006 10:23 AM | Report abuse

If you run effectively you dictate how many plays you get and their offense gets.

Posted by: Skinz | December 6, 2006 10:27 AM | Report abuse

The difference between Woody, Wilbon and JLaC, however, is that Woody and Wilbon are no longer beat reporters. To be honest, I think JLaC should get a column, and maybe the Post is grooming him for just such an opportunity.

Will and Stephanopoulos are commentators as well, not reporters, and Woodward is neither.

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | December 6, 2006 10:30 AM | Report abuse

My take on Saunders is going to be the next four games that he is willing to stick with the run. Not call anymore damn reverses. Then I say give him one more year. As far as double G is concern. Show him the door. The D rankings have fallen every year since he been here. His ego and it's my system and not the players are killing the D.

Posted by: jm220 | December 6, 2006 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Will writes many column although you are right, he doesn't solely report anymore.

Woody isn't a beat reporter anymore but he's not Kornheiser either. He does report happenings. Peter King, up until this season, still was SI's reporter for a particular game. My point is only that the landscape has changed. Right or wrong almost every paper markets their "talent".

I'm not arguing it's virtue. I am only stating it's regularity in todays media environment.

Posted by: Skinz | December 6, 2006 10:47 AM | Report abuse


Why not forward this email to coach joe just to make sure he and danny are on the same page?

Posted by: Icarus | December 6, 2006 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I miss you guys. Work sucks. I'll be a the eagles game this weekend. We got a first timer here. Anyone wanna buy me a drink?

The Dorf definately abides

Posted by: Dorf | December 6, 2006 10:55 AM | Report abuse


Your first time at a Skins game? The only knowledge I'll pass on to you is that they don't sell Jaegar at the bars in the endzones so don't look for it when we are down 50 to drown away your sorrows at halftime.

Posted by: Skinz | December 6, 2006 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Skinz, I care about you... just thought you could use the pick-me-up.


Read Howard's article this morning about Carter. It made me think about something. Imagine doing a job your whole life, and then having to learn and perform a different position for a few years. When you get asked to that original position again, you know how to do it, but it's not instinctual anymore. I agree that this could be Carter's main problem right now. He knows how to play DE and obviously has the physical tools to do it, but he's still thinking too much.

He looked great against the Falcons. I'm (guardedly) optimistic that this is a sign of things to come. Maybe just getting the time on the field to relearn his playing instincts is what he needs. If that's the case, hopefully we can expect more of the Week 13 Carter and less of the pre-Week 13 Carter.

Just a thought...

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | December 6, 2006 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Dorf, you're leaving the 'Burg to brave the Beltway and PG County to see the Skins play? Wow. Dude, I live 2 hours closer to Fedex than you do and I still can't find it in myself to fork over the coin to see the Skins play the way they are this season. Do you get to see games on TV in the 'Burg? Is there even a Fox affiliate down there? It's been a while since I lived there, so I don't remember.

Posted by: bandwagon blues | December 6, 2006 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Dallas hasn't tasted a playoff win in a decade, and they are thinking superbowl? hilarious

Posted by: huh? | December 6, 2006 11:25 AM | Report abuse

For those who are questioning Snyder's involvement, this from today's Chris Mortensen Chat:

Ken (Richmond, VA): Is there really any chance of Joe Gibbs fixing the Redskins? That organization has a lot of problems.

Chris Mortensen: (11:21 AM ET ) Well, Joe's in charge of every aspect of the operation. It's a myth if you think Daniel Snyder is interfering - he's not, and hasn't for quite some time. He's given Gibbs every resource he needs to succeed. I think that Gibbs has been careless in trading away his draft picks in that desperate reach to win now. It's almost always a mistake to do it that way. But it's not hopeless and Jason Campbell has looked solid.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | December 6, 2006 11:30 AM | Report abuse



Posted by: Anonymous | December 6, 2006 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I've been trying to sell my Eagles tickets for 4 days, but no takers to date.

The saddest part is that I'm very willing to just go and take a buddy, but NOT ONE of my friends wants to go.... for free.... and I'll drive... and I'll throw in a road HJ for good measure... still no dice.

Can't wait to hear the E-A-G-L-E-S chant 4 million times as I count the empty seats mixed in with green throughout the stadium.... ALONE, because NO ONE wants to go... so sad.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 6, 2006 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Snyder not commenting just shows how disconnected he is to the situation--and to the Redskins community.

We can focus on 2007, and look at who they play and guess what their record will be, but why not look and see how this team finishes, and how Campbell will fare after making 7 starts at QB?

I think they'll be fine in 2007. It would be great if Vinny is dumped and a new GM (I like Ron Hill and a young man in Philly named Jason Licht) would come.

Gibbs needs to become the obsessive, playcalling, coach he truly is. Forget this CEO stuff, I want Gibbs the Micromanager.

Posted by: vman | December 6, 2006 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Dorf, when the Eagles come to town it is a VERY different FedEx experience from any other visiting team. Eagles fans are hostile and show up looking for a fight. They're very primitive people.

I once saw an Eagles fan pick a fight with a bus. I'm not kidding.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 6, 2006 11:37 AM | Report abuse


Couldn't agree more. Going to an Eagles game at FedEx is like going to a road game in your own stadium. The 20-30,000 that show up will be louder and more overwhelming than the 50,000 Skins fans that show up. Maybe that's why I can't unload my tickets for 2/3 of what they cost.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 6, 2006 11:40 AM | Report abuse

On the topic of Snyders credibility or whatever... I don't think doing a GUEST BLOG on the RI would hurt at all.

I remember when he did a chat on his website and fans wrote in questions (obviously edited for content), I thought he came off as quite thoughtful, friendly, and committed to the fans. This forum is not that different in that he could blog about whatever he wanted and respond to whichever comments he felt like.

The big drawback is that people might fake post his answers and that would quickly get out of control. The following would definitely happen:

I eat poop.

Posted by: Dan in Ashburn | December 6, 2006 2:22 PM

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 6, 2006 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Seems like some of us have short memories. Remember a few years ago when everyone was ripping Snyder for being out in public, meddling with the team, and sticking his nose in? Now we are ripping him for staying out of the way. The Mortensen quote is on point. He's given Gibss whatever he has asked for and been reduced to a check signing machine.

Sure it would be nice to hear his opinions, but the Danny remembers how vilified he was when he stepped out and commented every day. I'd take him 1000 times before Jerry Jones. JJ getting interviewed, posturing for the cameras on the sidelines and trying to run the team between huge hits of bugar sugar and another plastic addition to his poly-alloy helmet region.

I'm just saying, I'd prefer this Snyder to the one that was making personel decisions.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | December 6, 2006 11:53 AM | Report abuse


What is it with you guys and Snyder? You cried for four years to put this dog on a leash so that you could walk home from school, and now the dog's on a leash and you are standing there taunting him wondering why he won't chase you. It's stupid, get off it. Fact is, it's none of your business what Snyder thinks of this year or how Gibbs is doing. Anyone else out there who thinks it is any of there business, the only way Snyder would give a flip about any of you is if you stopped buying tickets. As long as you buy tickets, they don't care how you feel. Problem is, as soon as you don't buy a ticket, some other sucker will.

Jason, you want to know what Snyder thinks? I'll tell you: He thinks 'I'm really ticked that I payed all this money for an offense that can't pick up a third and one most of the time, I'm ticked that I trusted these guys to bring in all of this "talent" on defense just to see it go in the tank, and I'm ticked that these stupid writers keep writing about me, after all they asked for was me to step out of the way, now they can't figure out why I don't have anything to say.'

Posted by: hoopdawg3 | December 6, 2006 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Lloyd has a publicist because he thinks he's a rap star. Makes total sense to me.

Lloyd seemed so congenial and nice on the interviews over the summer. I'm sad to see that he hasn't stepped up to perform on the field. And being called out by St. Joe in that manner...well, I can only recall a handful of players in the past chastised publicly like that. That's very bizarre and unfortunate. When a HOF coach, and a total class act (which, despite his record in stint numero dos, I'm sure we can all agree upon), disses a dude in public, something really egregious must have happened.

Posted by: P Diddy | December 6, 2006 12:02 PM | Report abuse


I agree with you, but has Mortensen ever referred to any other owner being reduced to a "check writing machine"? No, because the entire media and league have turned on Snyder because of his spending tactics. Jerry Jones is a million times more meddlesome than Snyder has ever been, but no one ever rips him.

Posted by: hoopdawg# | December 6, 2006 12:04 PM | Report abuse

For Snyder chat:

Dear Dan,

Why do you lie and email us every week saying that you have "visiting team returns" when in reality these are unused tickets from your partner, Stub Hub?

Thanks and Hail!

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 6, 2006 12:04 PM | Report abuse

And now for some Brandon Lloyd news...

I wasn't able to see him at Redskins Park yesterday, but his PR person

WTF!!! B Lloyd you are not big time son. No need for a PR person.

Posted by: jm220 | December 6, 2006 12:05 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Anonymous | December 6, 2006 12:05 PM | Report abuse

To what do we owe the ridiculous notion that Dan Snyder would respond? I do not blame the guy for anything he does whatsoever. I do not like the product. I do not like the direction this team has taken through free agency, I do not like the results period. But folks, it is easy to poke holes in the man for being protective of his investments and making shrewd business decisions. I am not a big advocate for Robin Hood political hacks that get their panties in a bunch over a guy trying to maximize his investments. If we had a hundredth of his wealth we would want to do everything we could to maximize it. Lets face it, Dan Snyder employs many of the areas population and families benefit from the business prosperity he brings to the table. I am in the telecom industry and it seems inevitable that people get laid off like changing underwear. Why? Because the company is not making the profit necessary to keep families employed. There are two sides to this Danny Boy stuff. There is the Redskins fan that took time to grow into the position, that spend inordinant amounts of money to produce a winner (failed or not) and then there is the business side that says I need to be as profitable as possible. I fault the product, not his business acumen or his drive for profitability. No Robin Hood, redistribution rich person hater am I. I am merely a middle income kind of guy that hopes the Redskins and Coach Joe get it together.

Posted by: I needa Hill | December 6, 2006 12:06 PM | Report abuse


A CEO's report card of his company is absolutely news, and JLaC and Howard would be remiss in not chasing that story.

That said, I could have sworn that "Mr." Snyder had a long-standing policy of not commenting to the media during the season. Sure, he may grant interviews to The Times instead of the WashPo during the off-season, but that's his perogative. As much grief as we give him, I think he has learned his lesson from the past about interfering via the media with his "football people". I'm positive he's not sitting in his office drooling over TomKat wedding photos and spinning around in his chair like a Six Flags ride. He's probably really involved in regular evaluations with St. Joe, but he has no need to share that with the public.

The fact that "Mr." Snyder is silent now and chooses to remain so is, to me at least, a good thing.

Posted by: P Diddy | December 6, 2006 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Fellow bloggers: why don't we simply IGNORE childish posters like BOOFER. I, too, am a Cowboys fan and am embarrassed that someone (obviously, he's 10 or 11) continues to post such obnoxious rants and can't submit cogent arguments or thoughts.

Someone asked why a Cowboys fan would read/post on this blog--well, as you may have noticed there are several of us who live here in the DC area. I get stories about your team on my local news and radio and in my local paper. I know who your backup defensive lineman are (I don't even know that about my own team). So, I guess I have an interest (the whole keeping "enemy closer" thing).

Regardless, adults--that's those of us, who can stay up past 9:30, Boofer--can argue and, yes, tease and talk smack some, w/o acting like an a$$.

I also have to give you guys props, JLC is THE MAN about getting and posting inside info and a lot of you fans are very clever and make good points (not that I'm in any hurry for a balm for Danny $nyder).

Bottom line: IGNORE Boofer/Redskin Sucks and he will eventually disappear (it works b/c I saw it on a Treehous of Horror episode of the Simpsons, when giant advertising figures came to life and Mr. Tony Bennett sang, "Just don't look! Just don't look!")

Posted by: BOOFER = DOOFER | December 6, 2006 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Damn, I miss *SallieMae* already.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | December 6, 2006 12:09 PM | Report abuse

greg(boston -

thanks for droping the info from mort. doc walker said the exact opposite yeterday on the radio. he says his sources say snyder is way more involved than anyone thinks. i am curious who is right because i think both, mort and doc are very credible.

Posted by: TM | December 6, 2006 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I was listening to Mike and Mike this morning and they were talking about whether penalties/turnovers are a coaches fault. Everyone, and I agreed, said that players commit these penalties but it's the coaches responsibility to fix these on the practice field... and if not on the practice field, put the fear in them that they will be taken out of the game/fined/whatever.

So I started comparing this topic to the current state of the Skins. I don't have solid facts on this, but I'd be willing to bet that we are more penalized now then during the Spurrier years. Why is that? Why do we continue to be such an undisciplined team?

I'll tell you why... go back to the Colts game when Gibby backed his players for 2 huge penalties (e.g. Santana Moss, Randle-El) instead of ripping into them. Go back to Gibby ripping the refs and vowing to send in penalties to the league instead of shutting up and putting the time in practice to correct these things OR putting the fear in his players to stop committing penalties.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 6, 2006 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Ocho-Ocho I think something maybe wrong with the both of us. I miss SalleMae/Jane Doe as well.
Who said that? lol

Posted by: jm220 | December 6, 2006 12:19 PM | Report abuse

LaVar Walt - You have mispoken my man. When a player is screaming and throwing his helmet, he's throwing a tantrum. It's a word several people who were ont he sidelines used in describing it.
I also called Lloyd's agent and PR person prepeatedly and had not heard back from any of them at the time I filed the story.
Not that I needed to get his "side" of anything. What he did occurred right on the field for all to see.

As for Snyder speaking. He agreed to an interview with the Washington Times that was a Q and Q. There was no additional reportin done, no fact checking done, no comment or response from anyone else involved in what he had to say. We wouldn't have agreed to that.

hey, he's entitled to speak or not speak or speak when he wants or whatever. I'm just letting you guys now what his PR guy had to say.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | December 6, 2006 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Lloyd has a pr person!!! LOL!

jason, BUT IS SHE HOT? :)

(for the record, i thought kim de TO was good looking)

i wonder how much lloyd's girl makes and what her duties are. does she also occasionaly have to wrestle lloyd for his pills? does she know the number for 911? does she know how many "reasons" lloyd has to live for?

jason, obviously you didn't do a good job of reporting all this to us. forget the skins org structure questions we need to have all these answers. pronto.

Posted by: dealer | December 6, 2006 12:23 PM | Report abuse


I SO agree with you. I've never been a Snyder fan but in his defense, everyone hated on him because he was so involved and they wrote terrible things about him (maybe some were deserved). So he hands the reins over to Gibbs, totally steps back and stays quiet, and now everyone is hating on him for that. The man cannot win...on the field or off. Jerry Jones is all over the place and still so involved but does anyone talk about that???

People here are just haters....gotta hate Snyder....or Gibbs.....or Williams....or Brunell (who is not playing anymore)..or
Lloyd....or Portis because he got hurt! Mercy!

As to Lloyd, I met him this summer and he seemed really nice. He did make some amazing acrobatic catches in SF so I'm sure he still has the ability to do so. Also, Gibbs did not call him out.....he was asked about the helmet throwing incident and he replied in calm, Joe Gibbs fashion that he had talked with Brandon about it and planned to do so again. He said Brandon has a great future here and he just wants to make sure they are on the same page. Nothing more than him out??? Nope...he was as respectful as ever.

Posted by: Lisa | December 6, 2006 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I agree Ricky. I think Gibbs' biggest problem is that he's the tephlon don. He can take responsibility for everything because up until the point is has been beyond rebuke. Even the papers have stayed away from calling for his job.

I'm not advocating calling for his job, I just think Joe knows we don't rip him so he's lax.

Posted by: Skinz | December 6, 2006 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I say we're doing a great job ignoring... its helps, like it did 2 months ago, to have it all in caps so you can just skim right over it.

Joe in Raleigh, I believe you on the bus fight. I drive the JMU drunk bus on saturday nights and you have all sorts of idiots from PA, NJ and NY picking fights with inanimate objects. They also vomit on themselves/others and on a good night, you see them walking around with piss stains on their crotches. I'd say I'm battle tested for the philly fans.

Skinz... bad news about the jaeger...

The Dorf abides well, the Dorf abides very well

Posted by: Dorf | December 6, 2006 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I think it is funny how everyone kept telling Dan to Back up adn not get involved. Well you got your wish, so who cares if he talks to the Media. Let Joe take care of it. I know this is not the season we wanted but, the offense is starting to find its identity under Saunders, A. Carter is starting to play well, Campbell looks good although he had a few mistakes (one very bad one). Lets just play hard fix a few problems this offseason and we will be good. All we need to do is sign Clements (we see how this D plays with a shut down corner (carolina)), Draft a Big Dlineman with the 5th pick, pick up a few cheap backups, Start Playing Mcintosh, and Resign Betts and Dockery. And please spand the entire offseason leaning how to manage the clock.

Posted by: Ryan | December 6, 2006 12:37 PM | Report abuse


So a rumor is going around that Shawn Springs was sat this weekend b/c it was determined that he was "Deep Threat." Any possible truth to that? It is remarkable that two days later he calls himself cured from a hammy that was bad enough to cause him to miss a game...

Posted by: Green Baby G. | December 6, 2006 12:37 PM | Report abuse


Obviously based on my location, MA, I don't have access to listen to Doc. Being what it is, Mort has his finger on the pulse of all things NFL. I'd trust Mort, and what he's reporting.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | December 6, 2006 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Greg(Boston): if you are so inclined, live 980 broadcasts are available on the web.

Posted by: Anonymous | December 6, 2006 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Here is a question crew. If Springs turns out to be Deep Cover. Wouldn't that be even more reason to let double G go? If you best corner is saying this, than just maybe others on the D really feel the same as well.

Posted by: jm220 | December 6, 2006 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I really don't think it was Springs. He flat out denied it and said that they are good to him and make him practice 2 days a week and pay him well.

He also said his father would kick his bu#$ if he did something like that. I'm not saying he coudln't lie but why not just say "nah wasn't me"

Posted by: Skinz | December 6, 2006 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Whomever posted about 980 on the Web, thanks. I'm at work, and they frown on surfing the net, let alone streaming Redskin Radio.

Thanks just the same.


I'm not sure what to make of JD, and Julio, but apparently we're stuck with them now.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | December 6, 2006 12:54 PM | Report abuse

To ad to jm220's comments - How do you bench Springs for giving a damn! He is your best CB and everybody knew the Atlanta game was going to be close.

Personally, I think the Defensive coaching staff should be benched. Just let one of the players (Marshall, Springs, Vincent, etc.) make the calls. They couldn't be any worse.

Posted by: BT | December 6, 2006 12:55 PM | Report abuse

guys, let's give credit where it's due. it was Lavar Walt Clark who first suggested that it was Springs under the "Awards Time" thread.

so i guess mort's reading this blog too now. woo hoo!

Posted by: dealer | December 6, 2006 12:58 PM | Report abuse

can someone link the mort article/chat? Thanks

Posted by: Skinz | December 6, 2006 1:09 PM | Report abuse

JLC - Karl Swanson is useless. He'll stay on his delusional message. I'm sure you know this. Don't give him any virtual ink.

If anyone can't sell their tickets, donate them to MVK. Kids will get to go to the game and you'll benefit more from the tax deduction.

What is with the Cowboy fans on a Redskins Blog? To this point the team successes are reversed from last year. That's all. I probably know more about the history of the Cowboys then most of the bandwagon jumpers on this blog.

Posted by: Sec 418 | December 6, 2006 1:12 PM | Report abuse

GREEN BABY G, when I heard Shawn was a surprise scratch on Sunday, that's EXACTLY what I thought. It's much easier to fake a bad hammy that feels better a couple days later than to say it was a broken leg that mended Cheerleader-style.

I don't have any reason to suspect Shawn as Deep Cover, but the mystery injury seems to point to it.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 6, 2006 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I think naughty language got me in trouble. I'll try again:

Uhm, did anyone else [MY EYES ARE BLEEDING] their pants when they saw this ( picture of Andre Carter? We should just let him play without a helmet for the rest of the year. If that guy lines up in front of me, my first reaction is: "There is not a quarterback in the league worth this trouble. Yoink!" And I'm gone.

Posted by: Skin Patrol | December 6, 2006 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Would it be possible for us to actually focus on the Iggles game?

We can discuss all this organizational b.s. in the offseason when there are no games to actually talk about.

So, does Garcia torch the secondary? Predictions on Campbell bouncing back from ATL?

Posted by: disappointed | December 6, 2006 1:23 PM | Report abuse

"There is not a quarterback in the league worth this trouble. Yoink!" And I'm gone

LMAO!! Out of control son.

disappointed no don't see Garcia having a big game. I am more worried about Westbrook.

Posted by: jm220 | December 6, 2006 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Skin Patrol - "You wouldn't make it in pro football."

Posted by: Posse Redux | December 6, 2006 1:35 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Anonymous | December 6, 2006 1:40 PM | Report abuse

At this point I'm not afraid of Garcia or Westbrook or any of the Iggles, I'm afraid of the Redskins. They're the ones who have been breaking my heart all season long.

I expect another lukewarm effort in front of a crowd that will include way too many visiting team phans. I expect it to be a game we have every chance to win but play to lose. I expect blown coverages, stupid penalties, dropped passes, missed tackles, poor pass protection, at least a couple of dumb coaching gaffes like that godawful reverse call last week.

Not that I WANT any of those things, but this team has provided them all season long whenever I got my hopes up.

As I said in another thread, I want the Skins to put together some solid games the rest of the way, so that I can start laying a solid foundation of hope for '07 from what happens on the field this year, not from tracking Redskins One (our own Santa's Sleigh, which sprinkles magical memory erasing dust over Skins Nation as it delivers new FAs wrapped up in burgundy and gold) this offseason.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 6, 2006 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Dammit, I go to the trouble of pouring my guts into a post only to have it show up under ONE OF THOSE. I feel sullied.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 6, 2006 1:44 PM | Report abuse

New post.

(Note: I have a knack for posting just as J-La is dropping a new one on us.)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 6, 2006 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Joe From Raleigh, nice one about "fake a bad hammy" ... but I think that ploy is now officially called "How I Spent My Preseason Vacation, by Terrell Owens."

Posted by: dcsween | December 6, 2006 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Please stop picking on my boyfriend. He's actually very sweet if you get to know him. Love you boof!!!!!

Posted by: Boofer's Boyfriend | December 6, 2006 1:50 PM | Report abuse

honestly, carter's been playing well. anyone who knows football know what's going on with him? is he on roids or did he finally get coached up and learned the darn SCHEME?

Posted by: dealer | December 6, 2006 1:52 PM | Report abuse

thanks for a owens comment nice to see some redskins fans pay attention to a winning team

Posted by: honest abe | December 6, 2006 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Dealer could it be they have said hell with the scheme and just let him play? I hope Rock gets in this week. We need to see what he can do on this level.

Posted by: jm220 | December 6, 2006 2:05 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Anonymous | December 6, 2006 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Is there anything in this world more disturbing than Jerry Jones's face? (not counting Al Davis)

Posted by: Extreme Makeoverer | December 6, 2006 2:24 PM | Report abuse

honest abe, that t-ordeal was kinda hard to ignore. you'd have to go to pluto or the 7th nebula to find a jury of his peers(pun intended) who had no knowledge of his attempted suicide case.

jm220, yeah, i think that's more likely than what i read in the article(howard of wapo).

also about rocky, OHH YEAH! we forgot about that debacle. he gets lost in there with a million of them(debacles). golllllllllllllie there's so much wrong with this team. we don't need gibbs we need HAZMAT or orkin man.

Posted by: dealer | December 6, 2006 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted earlier: "Cliff Huxtable is really Rev. Sun Myung Moon."

I agree and he's channeling Carl Rove.

Posted Earlier: "As for Snyder speaking. He agreed to an interview with the Washington Times that was a Q and Q. There was no additional reportin done, no fact checking done, no comment or response from anyone else involved in what he had to say. We wouldn't have agreed to that."

When your paper and reporting aren't fit to wrap fish, you do what you have to to sell newspapers. The Times isn't even close to being in the same league with the Washington Post.

Posted by: TechNomad | December 6, 2006 2:42 PM | Report abuse

This Springs stuff is nuts. He had a bad hamstring. He missed practice with it. He did not pass a fitness test Sunday morning.
It has nothing to do with Deep Cover, and as I've said, people around here don't think he was behind those quotes.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | December 6, 2006 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Ah, but that doesn't rule Springs out for Deep Stall, the mystery photographer of those two, ahem, hardcore fans! Let the investigation continue!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 6, 2006 2:58 PM | Report abuse

yes the od thing was hard to ignore and very odd but the commented on faking a hamstring injury and hamstrings are no joke ask steve smith or even santana moss. but if anyone feels the need to talk about owens heard he had a great party monday i couldnt make cause well i wasnt invited but i drank some dom p ok well madd dog to celebrate his bday

Posted by: honest abe | December 6, 2006 2:59 PM | Report abuse

First Dan Snyder ignores the seniority of families who have had season tix for 40 years and lets first year Joe's, with money to burn, jump over them and into the lower level (with the purchase of the tailgate club of course)....

Now, he is offering referral bonuses if you get friends and family to buy club seats... hysterical. It feels like my movie membership with Columbia House.

You know... coming off a 5-11 season... coming off your 15th losing season in the last 17... it makes you wonder if Danny Boy thought of this tactic:

If they're not selling, DROP THE PRICE!!!!!!! It's embarrassing enough seeing thousands upon thousands of empty yellow and red seats on Sunday. It's embarrassing enough having FedEx taken over by Philly and New York fans....


Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 6, 2006 3:15 PM | Report abuse

it was Lavar Walt Clark who first suggested that it was Springs under the "Awards Time" thread.

thanks dealer, but that was uninformed speculation on my part.

I apologize if you took offense. I'm no journalist. It just seemed like a gratuitous shot to me.

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | December 6, 2006 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Can Ricky Bobby or someone explain the Stub Hub comment? Are there tickets available at Stub Hub on a weekly basis? I thought all Skins tickets were season tix.

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | December 6, 2006 3:23 PM | Report abuse


Why isn't the times anywhere close to the WaPo? I'm not suggesting it's the same newswpaper as the WaPo but I'm not sure it endeavors to be.

The Times has some coverage that is equal to if not better than the Post. Now certainly the Post does some things much better than the Times. But all-n-all they are just different.

Posted by: Skinz | December 6, 2006 3:26 PM | Report abuse


Our hypocritical Napolean of an owner, after stripping 40-year season ticket holders (including the WP) selling tix on ebay, etc., Danny Boy formed an agreement with Stub Hub last year.

Basically, in addition to the being the world's worst football team owner, a scientologist, Wally World owner, environmentalist, he is also now a ticket broker.

I'm not sure of the logistics, but how ironic is it that there are "visiting team returns" in every section of the stadium EVERY week???? These have to be tickets that brokers can't sell due to the team's poor performance, so they sell them back to the team (probably for half of what they bought them for) and then the Skins double dip by declaring them "visiting team returns"... run on sentence, I know...

So get this, loyal Redskin fans.... Dan Snyder sells some of the best seats in the house to ticket brokers before EVER even opening them up to 40-year ticket holders. Talk about being an owner for the fans.....

Visting team returns.... HA. It's almost as comical as a Gibbs press conference on Monday afternoon's.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 6, 2006 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Would you trust an interview to someone/some organization who would post an inquiry email on a blog seen around the world, knowing it would spark unwarranted swirl on a meaningless subject? I wouldn't, even if I did owe the ticket buyers an explanation. I'd have to find some other way to communicate to the fans.

Also, yes the Redskins have to take responsibility for mixing and pouring the kool aid. But fans should take the blame for drinking it. Why would we waste so much energy on believing that the same head people would make the right football decisions when they haven't after so many years. Yes they can learn to do the right thing. But show me first before bottoms up.

Posted by: FW | December 6, 2006 3:36 PM | Report abuse

JLC, sorry about jumping to conclusions about Springs/Deep Cover. I'll take your word for it. But you have to admit the series of events was suspicious.

If you were writing a book called "If I gave Springs a Secret 1-game Suspension, Here's How I Did It," that the outline might look like this:

I. figure out who it was
A. Speculation swirls around Springs
II. say nothing about an injury all week
A. don't want media snooping around
B. don't want to tip off Falcons
III. late scratch before gametime
IV. tell everyone he's healed and ready to go a few days later

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 6, 2006 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I thought there was a BLAW against talking about Deep Cover. There's no BLAW against talking about Deep Stall, but good taste and family friendliness should at least give you pause before discussing it.

Posted by: P Diddy | December 6, 2006 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see Bill Lazor replaced as QB coach too. He has not done anything valuable this year. I think the previous guy from Jacksonville actually helped Brunel, Musgrave I think. Lazor should have been working some of the long wind up out of Campbell's game and giving him tips for what do on the blitz. Musgrave elevated Brunel's game when he was here.

Adding to what others have posted, I think the season ticket thing will become a bigger deal if the losing continues, I know three or four holders that bought each year based on the fact that they could sell a game or two and offset the rising costs, with that easy resell for profit factor gone, it may pressure some of those holders out, and for corporations, the Wizards seats are hotter now. I know of one major company that dumped the fed-ex suite and now just do event by event rentals and that does not include the Skins.

The comments about the Springs scratch and other Hamstrings are insightful. Such a strange injury, but purportedly common among elite/fast athletes. I never remember Champ Bailey getting one.

It would be cool to get a recap on what draft choices we have next year and a cap summary that might tell us who is most likely to get dumped.

Posted by: Harbinger | December 6, 2006 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder is not stealing anyone's money. Stop giving it to him if you do not like the team's direction. Call it a boycott, whatever - if you don't like the product, stop buying it.

I don't live anywhere near my Bullets any longer, so it is easy for me to say this. But, I do remember after Mahorn was traded, I stayed away from the Cap Centre for good.

If I still lived in the area, I'd be back these days as they have "promise" (what a tease). So do the Skins, in my opinion.

I'm thinking playoffs next year, if that schedule posted earlier is true.

Posted by: BulletsFan | December 6, 2006 4:23 PM | Report abuse

is it confirmed that The Danny is a Scientologist? Or is that speculation? Just curious...I keep a list of all Scientologists, I wont even think an actress is hot after that comes if the owner of my beloved team is...lets just say I will be upset...

Posted by: Chris Larry | December 6, 2006 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Chris Larry,

Yes, unfortunately I think it's been confirmed that Napolean is now a scientologist.... however, if you buy 2 club level tickets on a 10 year contract and tailgate passes for 3 billion years, he may be willing to change all of that....


Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 6, 2006 5:01 PM | Report abuse

LWC, check out There are seats there for both the Philly and NYG games (and every other NFL team's home games). It's like ebay for tickets.

Harbinger, this is Lazor's first year. According to Brunell and Saunders, he's been doing a great job. Musgrave is the one coach we lost early; Atlanta picked him up to fix Vick. Re: Jason's windup, they say that coaches can/should coach legs and head, and that the arm is what the QB does and you shouldn't mess with it (the arm is the reason you pick a QB).

honest abe, I've heard that people are getting nervous because every time T.O. walks past a bag of organic spinach, he breaks into a nervous sweat and has flashbacks. [Note: this is only good clean smack ... nothing capitalized here. I was all about empathy when it seemed like it really might have been a suicide attempt, but the presscapade debacle that he/his publicist/his agent made out of it afterwords showed he was trying to maintain the spotlight on himself.]

Posted by: dcsween | December 6, 2006 5:08 PM | Report abuse

It's nice to see that Cowboy fans are as moronic here as they are everywhere else.

Posted by: Monte | December 6, 2006 5:47 PM | Report abuse

maybe he did want the spotlight on him but i would rather have him and his ego than b. lloyd's he seems to be going down the same t.o. path without the production though. owens publicist i wont even try to defend her but lil kim wouldnt have a job anymore after the fool she made of herself that day

Posted by: honest abe | December 6, 2006 6:13 PM | Report abuse

JLaC - I have to call you out. I don't see anywhere in the Blog archives where you said Springs had a bad hammy before Sunday. It sounds to me you are trying to throw us off the scent. I really hope you are not trying to do that, but that is what I sense. You would Definitely had told us that, bro. Shame on you......

Also, I think everyone needs to lay off Snyder. Gibbs said it's him and I believe him. It is him, but what can we do? He got us 3 SBs, our only SB Championship. He is untouchable..........

Posted by: 4th Floor | December 6, 2006 6:16 PM | Report abuse

J-La - thanks for doing your job. Snyder has all the right in the world to comment or not but it would be remiss of you not to try. That's why your a great reporter.

As for your participation in the blog - well I think your editorializing on the team is actually pretty minimal. You generally set the rest of us rolling with information and we're the ones who go bananas. It strikes me that is as it should be and thank you again.

Snyder got burned by the media - hmmm well welcome to America my friend. If you're going to be a public persona you gotta be prepared to get shafted because the truth is we don't believe in anyone anymore really. Schadenfreude is the new American pastime.

This blog is for the fans to go ape shti as they want. If anyone in the organization or media is actually going to pick up on it and use it well that's their choice but don't criticize us for expressing ourselves freely in a public forum that's what it is all about. This isn't any different than people calling radio shows although I think we're far more eloquent and definitley way funnier.

I think Snyder does at some point have to answer to the fans in some way because he expects us to bring him profits. Do I think that means he has to answer our questions no but he is the CEO and we're the closest thing to shareholders and the annual report which is the record at the end of each season has been lousy for a long time.
Thus endeth the sermon.

In response to the end of the thread yesteraday - Yes kids I am a girl. I'm even a straight woman in SF. I'm not sure what writing like a man even means but okay. I'm also turning into a windbag with my recent extremely long posts. Sorry I think it's cause I've only had time to check in a couple times a day.

Posted by: sfskin | December 6, 2006 6:33 PM | Report abuse

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

Seriously I need to shut myself up. It's a sickness.

Posted by: sfskin | December 6, 2006 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Yup, the Dallas Cowpokes do have a WINING record, Nothing. We hear you and Boofer here all the time! But the correct spelling is whining.

Posted by: charlie | December 6, 2006 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Dallas......1-3 vs the Skins the last two years.

Put that in your Harvey Martin wreath and smoke it. (Oh wait, he is dead).

As for Boy Owner..he has a LOT to answer for and his hiding from Joe and the rest of the media shows what a gutless wonder he is. He is a King Tut Curse on this franchise. Most 5 year old's could run a team better than he has. And he has had 7 years. Sheesh.

Sell the team, Boy Owner and charge your own family $5 for a glass of water.

Posted by: NosferatusCoffin | December 6, 2006 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Yo, Sorings missed practic Thursday and Friday adn was listed as porbable with a hamstring injury. I don't always dwell on every injury - this is football people an the injury reports are long this time of year - but he was definitely nursing a sore hammy.
This Deep Cover crap is riducluous.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | December 6, 2006 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Wow JLC,

Either you need spell check, bro, or that's a phantom post above.

Posted by: disappointed | December 6, 2006 8:28 PM | Report abuse

okay here's what we know about peeps of this blog:

megskin: a woman, a mom, one of the first women i noticed on this blog. 5'5" to 5'7" and under 120 lbs.

lisa: a woman :), likes shawn springs' looks but not brunell's. but LOVES to defend his play.

p diddy: from seattle, has an uncanny ability to drop luxury item names and drinks. but we all love him cuz he's cool like that. cool like that. like that that. not seriously involved with anyone. but may've been a customer of the madam in college park. ;) also is a regular at AA meetings i hear. ohh and he's an executive marketing director at some company.

pg golf: has another friend on here i think goes by the name of artmonktothesticks. in his mid 20's. also a customer of the madam in college park.

skinz: from the south, i think from north carolina. has a steady girlfriend.

joe from raleigh: i think he's from north carolina :)

sfskin: a hot babe from sf and she's straight. a teacher by day and [use your imagination here] by night.

jm220: 220 is his weight. from NJ. he works with education software. he's available (i think).

rickybobby: i think is friends with pub golf/pg

haikuman: everyone's fav. on here. he's a dude. isn't seriously involved with anyone.

jason's editor/cindy: she looks like a 20 year old but don't let the looks fool you. she'll school your butt anytime! :)

MV Dame: 10Kth poster. he's a dude. dame is from notre dame. sorry, about your irish brother.

i'm sorry if i missed anyone. you may add to this list.

ohh one more.

"skins suck" is a cliche on this blog.

i was on GW parkway today and wondered if i could spot snyder's home and the tree line he cut. anyone know where exactly his house is? google earth maybe?

Posted by: dealer | December 6, 2006 8:30 PM | Report abuse

OMG! jason, calm down!!! why do you care so much? what else do you want us to talk about? the playoffs? *in mora senior's voice*

and everything else's been said over and over and over. even the radio talk shows are running out of crap to talk about (the skins).

Posted by: dealer | December 6, 2006 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, I was having a Czabe-like experince earlier. I don't think they benched Shawn because he was the name we shall not speak of in this land of blaws JLaC, but I still wouldn't put it past Gibbs as a way to keep it 'in house'.

Posted by: 4th Floor via Home Floor | December 6, 2006 9:24 PM | Report abuse

omg! i just read lavar stuff. i'm begining to lose some respect for this guy after reading the article on espn.

yes, skins robbed you lavar. but THAT'S WHY YOU HIRE AN AGENT!!! so no one does. and he failed arrington miserably.

Upshaw said Poston had 14 days to review the contract after it was signed and he didn't discover the error.

"I ended up telling LaVar about it at the Super Bowl," Upshaw said.

14 DAYS??? omg! sorry lavar, i can understand few hours but 14 friggin days????? NO EXCUSE!!! he should've been suspended by the nflpa.

Posted by: dealer | December 6, 2006 10:25 PM | Report abuse


Why dont you just ask for everyones picture?

Posted by: OC Skins | December 6, 2006 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Dealer, here's a couple more bios:

The Governor - Runs with AMTTS. Reps it to the death in G-town.

SallieMae - Redskins fan from the Allen days. Play your cards right and you might get *hugs*.

John in Herndon - Nursing a broken heart

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 6, 2006 11:51 PM | Report abuse

And you can't forget...

Barno - Won the Redskins song contest and now owns Heavy Metal Parking Lot. Is the founder/president of the Nick Novak fan club.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 6, 2006 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Dealer post spot on
But, alas, cannot give pic
Lest Megskin spams me....


Posted by: HaikuMan | December 7, 2006 12:01 AM | Report abuse

thanks for advice at beginning of thread....i'm torn between vince young and kitna....I'm like Gibbs....can I realllly give a rookie the start in a playoff game?

Posted by: HaikuMan | December 7, 2006 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Eh, close enough.

Though I've never met the madam and have always felt she was an urban legend.

Posted by: P Diddy | December 7, 2006 12:03 AM | Report abuse


I must say, quite an impressive list. I can barely remember to tie my shoes, much less what the heck is going on here.

Need to add that I'm a devotee of the "Adam Archuleta Workout", to say nothing of the "Adam Archulet wife".

Posted by: P Diddy | December 7, 2006 12:06 AM | Report abuse

There is not an owner quite sadder
Nor who could make the fans much madder.
Throw six flags penalty
Peddlin' bad quality
As he competes for Cruise's step ladder...

Posted by: HaikuMan/LimerickMan | December 7, 2006 12:13 AM | Report abuse

....exit, stage right.....good night!

Posted by: HaikuMan | December 7, 2006 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Ok, JLC--if that really is you posting denials and not a hired hand out at Ca$hburn--why are you getting so animated in your denials? Plenty of crazy conspiracy theories are floated on this blog...

Posted by: Anonymous | December 7, 2006 2:04 AM | Report abuse

You forgot about Jane Doe...nothing is really known about he/she except that he/she has a major blog crush on jm220

Posted by: Lisa | December 7, 2006 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Dealer out of control son. One correction I am not from NJ. I live in NJ now.

Lisa I think Jane Doe is SallieMae (forgot who said that earlier this week). Notice that SallieMae is out and Jane Doe is out at the same time. But it's harmless fun so let her enjoy herself. lol

Posted by: jm220 | December 7, 2006 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Great article by Wilbon this morning... we can only hope that Joe reads and listens.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 7, 2006 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Skinz sez:

"Why isn't the times anywhere close to the WaPo? I'm not suggesting it's the same newswpaper as the WaPo but I'm not sure it endeavors to be."

Please tell me you're kidding skinz! Have you ever actually READ the Times? The reporting and writing are second rate at best, and as Jason points out, they'll agree to jouralistic compromises that other newspapers won't. Do you think that only happens in their Sports section? But, since the Times isn't trying to be the Post, it's doing a really fine job.

Skinz sez:

"The Times has some coverage that is equal to if not better than the Post. Now certainly the Post does some things much better than the Times. But all-n-all they are just different."

Which parts are equal to if not better? Who do your read at the Times everyday? Who's their best writer? If they're such a fine newspaper, why do they continue to loose money every year? The Post on the other hand, is (often) first to break news, usually has multiple, credible story sources that offer contrasting points of view and they cite anonymous sources less frequently. Post stories are better written, largely because they have better writers and more editors and do more research and fact-checking. The Post isn't perfect, by a long shot, but the Times, is not in the same league journalistically.

All-in-all they are different. True dat.

Posted by: TechNomad | December 7, 2006 8:37 AM | Report abuse


Impressive list... but like P Diddy said, I can't even remember what I had for dinner last night...

Who else can't wait for the E-A-G-L-E-S chant all Sunday loooooooooong?????

At least we have the funky four....

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 7, 2006 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Ricky Bobby I can't wait to see how Campbell bounce back from a bad game. He should be able to handle the blitz a little better.

Posted by: jm220 | December 7, 2006 8:43 AM | Report abuse

jm, Campbell is honestly the only reason I want to go to this game. Can you imagine if that super smart washed up QB was still out there????? I would be done with this team forever.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 7, 2006 8:47 AM | Report abuse

EVERYONE RELAX!!! Great news:

Lloyd is starting Sunday. Oh man I was stressing. What would we have done without his 1.8 catches and 19 yards.

Posted by: Skinz | December 7, 2006 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Ricky Bobby I am not going to bash the super smart QB. (see Lisa I took your advice and just moved on)

Skinz did you read some of his comments? He is going to be a problem.

Posted by: jm220 | December 7, 2006 9:02 AM | Report abuse


Relax bud, everyone is allowed to have opinions. Even those some people are trying to present as facts.

There are many writers who used to work at the Times who now work at the NY Time, the WaPo and mostly the Wall Street Joural.

As for what they do better? Well I think they do a better job of covering local politics. It's an opinion that a guy named Ben Bradlee agrees with. If you love the post I'm sure you've heard of him.

Posted by: Skinz | December 7, 2006 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, I think Bill Gertz is one of the finest writers in Washington. His coverage of Defense issues are second to none. Not just at the post but any paper or news outlet in the nation. I think you'd be hardpressed to find anyone to say otherwise.

Ok onto skins stuff.

No JM haven't read much to be honest.

Posted by: Skinz | December 7, 2006 9:13 AM | Report abuse

dealer, outstanding payingattentionedness!

Since the Megskin watch began lo these many months ago, there are additional details you missed. She has two kids, a husband (aka the Beast), lives in DC near the Rock Creek, grew up in the areas, is in her mid-30s, etc. She drops clues like nobody's business. She works and has a job that requires being on the computer alot. She's actually given her name and email address for those paying attention. You also forgot to mention that she has some of the most perceptive and brutal observations about the Skins' failures this season.

Also, I thought jm220 works in an animal shelter, too. [That email -- I think it was jm220 -- stuck with me for awhile.]

4th Floor and DEALER himself are also regulars about whom we need to hear your details.

Posted by: dcsween | December 7, 2006 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Others I've noticed posting useful thoughts are CMoney, Greg(Boston), Bucktown Skins Fan, and 4-12. Probably several more, but these stick out.

Posted by: dcsween | December 7, 2006 9:25 AM | Report abuse

dcsween no animal shelter here my friend. Not a big animal type of person. That's a lot of info on Megskins. How in God's green earth did you remember all that?

I want to see the Reaper give Westbrook one good hit.

Skinz read it and you will come away with the same feel I had. Trouble!

Posted by: jm220 | December 7, 2006 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Man how could I forget about 4th floor? And the brother is always giving me 980 updates.

Posted by: jm220 | December 7, 2006 9:28 AM | Report abuse

SallieMae, are you really as old as me?
Nice limmerick, Haikuman.

Ok, who thinks Wilbon's article this a.m. was way overdue? Glad to see him tell it, though DannieBoy is probably beyond hope of getting a clue.
Geez, it's so depressing I want to drink a whole bottle of Geritol. Thank you bloggers for keeping me off skid row.

Posted by: ILikeSonny | December 7, 2006 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Question for you guys:

Why wouldn't the emergence of a young guy like Golston (who by the way... gasp... was actually drafted in the 6th round by THIS team) be proof enough that you need your draft picks to build a good team?

Another question:

Why do you declare guys like Pierce and Smoot and Clark "core Redskins" only to throw them away for less money than you pay busts like Archuleta, Lloyd, and to a lesser extenet Carter and ARE (who, to be fair, probably haven't been used correctly)? You throw away guys who bled and sweat burgundy and gold, who you built and groomed, only to get malcontent rappers off the street for more money???

Help me understand the logic...

I'm not going to go through every example, but look at Colston in NO. He was a 7th round pick. Doesn't this prove you should keep your picks? Not just because you might find a winner like this guy, but because the consequences aren't nearly as significant if you swing and miss in the draft.

And hell, look at guys like Baskett and Lewis in Philly. They have better stats than Lloyd. Only difference, they are paid like 3rd and 4th WR's, Lloyd is paid like a number 1 receiver.

Look at Randle-El... don't get me wrong, I love the guy. But he is a PR/3rd WR, making money that some number 1 receivers can only dream about. Do you guys realize how badly these moves are going to handicap us?????

These 3-4 examples... and also knowing that there are 400 more examples just like the ones above... honestly make you want to throw up... rally... then throw up again.

Gibbs needs to make a decision. Relinquish the personnel duties and coach or leave.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 7, 2006 9:33 AM | Report abuse


Good job on those.

I'm not from NC. I went to school at Carolina then moved to ATL for a couple years. Been back here since 04 but no matter where i've been i've always "repped the skins to death" as Gov and AM2TStix would say.

Also, PG and Ricky Bobby are boys. I don't think they know Monk and Gov in RL. They also have a penchant for the uh how should i put this, Off. Lineman of the dating world.

Posted by: Skinz | December 7, 2006 9:34 AM | Report abuse

it's so depressing I want to drink a whole bottle of Geritol.

ILikeSonny LMAO!

Posted by: jm220 | December 7, 2006 9:36 AM | Report abuse

I'm a big idiot! The Cowboys are a much better run organization than the one that I am head of.

Posted by: Joe Gibbs | December 7, 2006 9:37 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Empty Seats in Landover | December 7, 2006 9:41 AM | Report abuse

You knew it wouldn't be long before he zone out again.

When Bill Parcells told his team what it takes to win a championship, wide receiver Terrell Owens wasn't listening. "The championship speech? I must have went to sleep on that one," Owens said, laughing.

Parcells gave his speech Monday, a day after a pivotal win in New York and hours before Owens flew to Los Angeles for a 33rd birthday party he threw for himself.

Posted by: jm220 | December 7, 2006 9:41 AM | Report abuse


Hysterical. But please don't put me in the same category as Pubby. His chicks are known to have carving stations in the corner of their bedrooms...

Don't get me wrong, I've seen an offensive lineman or two in my day... but none of them have used a heat lamp for a night light.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 7, 2006 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Great article by HowBry about Lloyd. It was odd that Gibbs talked about Lloyd's discipline to the media, but it was also a GREAT move by Gibbs. Here's what it says to me (and hopefully BLloyd),

If a anyone tries to show up Jason Campbell, Gibbs is going to back up JC.

Bravo, Gibbs. He just sent a message to everyone else on the team. Don't mess with #17.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 7, 2006 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Empty seats,

That email is sent every Thursday like clock work...

visiting team returns by butt! how about stub hub returns???????

oh, and question for the guys in marketing... how "EXCLUSIVE" is it to go to a Redskins game anymore when you can buy tickets for 10 bucks in the parking lot? Or when you can't even get one of your 20 friends who are Skins fans to go? Or when you can walk up to the ticket window the day of the game and buy one? I don't think the ticket printing maching at RFK even worked during that stadium's existence.

Again, sad state of affairs.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 7, 2006 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Haikuman, if you're starting fantasy football QBs have to be on teams that actually make it to the playoffs, you're done.

Ricky Bobby, I believe the word I want to say is "word." The only defense I would have to any of those decisions would the ARE one. For me anyway, the one bright spot of this season has been special teams (other than the obvious problems with two the four primary special teamers, the punter and kicker). I don't know what our special teams stats are for the return games, but I'm guessing we are not near the bottom like on defense, and maybe even close to the top. ARE and Rock have been studs. Our return yard averages for PR and KR have to be pretty good. There is one rookie returned, maybe from Chicago, who might be better, but field position on the start of the possession has been one of the brighter spots for the Skins this season. [The ability to do anything with that field position is another question.] I think the ARE money is justified. Rock has also earned the right to ask for more money and keep them from adding more RBs. Seems like he has been on the bubble since they drafted Nemo.

Posted by: dcsween | December 7, 2006 9:50 AM | Report abuse

"Don't get me wrong, I've seen an offensive lineman or two in my day... but none of them have used a heat lamp for a night light."

I had to clean coffee off my monitor. No joke.

Posted by: Skinz | December 7, 2006 9:52 AM | Report abuse

From todays Post, in regard to the Lloyd story:

"Lloyd angered 49ers public relations executives by referring in his rap lyrics to the predominately white members of the San Francisco media as "crackers.""

What an ignorant piece of trash. I guess he fits right in with the M.O. of this team eh

Posted by: Bill O'Reilly | December 7, 2006 9:54 AM | Report abuse


I was actually the person who stated earlier this week (or was it last week) that I thought Jane Doe was Sallie Mae :-)

One person we forgot to mention: Montana Skins Fans - he hates the entire Redskin organization - especially Gibbs - and wants to get rid of everyone and start over with a college coach.

Posted by: Lisa | December 7, 2006 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Lloyd (sorry Lisa) is an arrogant jerk. Take these two quotes...

"I don't regret anything I've ever done."

Really. Not one time the guy would like to have a mulligan for something he's said or done. Unbelievable.

"So it happened, and you have to own up to it..."

But really, he didn't own up to it. He just said he didn't regret it. Isn't that actually the OPPOSITE of owning up to it?

I can't believe Gibbs traded picks for this fool and gave him a big contract.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 7, 2006 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Yo I get no blog love bio??? I give up hours of work to this blog!

Chris Larry: Lives in NYC. In museum education. Loves New Bomb Turks. Fan since Pardee days. Willing to get into blog scraps. Big supporter of Russ Grimm for coach.

OK enough own hoen blowing...

Posted by: Chris Larry | December 7, 2006 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Joe in Ral,

That reminds me of an old saying... if I had a nickle for every regret I've ever had or felt (most deal with large amounts of alcohol and bigger women)... well, I'd be a millionaire by now.

This just goes back to my point above... you have "core guys" with "great character" that have given this organization everything... and you throw them away like a piece of garbage ONLY to go out and throw away 2 mid round picks and 30 mill on a number 3/4 receiver with an attitude problem?????? It just doesn't make sense.

New words, in addition to super smart, courageous, fight our guts out, up here, that I never, ever want to hear out of this organization AGAIN:

"core guy" or "core Redskin"


"character guy"

It's all BS....

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 7, 2006 10:11 AM | Report abuse

And let me pay it forward:

WrongDog: Hate Tom Friend. Like lists with numbers. Also enjoys a good blog scrap. Probably about 28. Def Male. Sprinkles caps in his nickname.

Posted by: Chris Larry | December 7, 2006 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Accountant who works long hours. Area guy (alum of Bowie State).

On Lloyd, I didn't like it from the begining. I still remember the comment William Ffloyd gave a couple of years ago when he was talkin bout 'We got guys in this locker room more concerned about their braids and rapping then concentrating on the football field'. Of course he was refering to Lloyd. Ever since then, I didn't like him because that statement came from a vet in the league for more than 10 years. Did you see his comments on CSN? He didn't regret anything and he contradicted himself from what he said on his radio show on Monday (check this blog archive under my name around 7:15 or so)

Posted by: 4th Floor | December 7, 2006 10:12 AM | Report abuse


Glad I could make your Thursday morning a little more enjoyable.

I definitely have had to clean snot rockets off my monitor at work from laughing so hard at comments on here.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 7, 2006 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Why is it that the word 'cracker' gets printed in the post/online yet we all know that the 'n'-word or any other derogatory term wouldn't even be considered to be printed? The double-standard is hilarious. Can someone at the Post please answer that?

Posted by: Bill O'Reilly | December 7, 2006 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Nice article by Wilbon today. Makes the point that I made a long time ago -- coaches are inherently incapable of refraining from trying to win the next game. This is why the Skins blew a 3rd pick on a RB they will not even have next year. It's not even funny anymore.

Posted by: CMoney | December 7, 2006 10:25 AM | Report abuse

There's no real history (that I know of) to the word cracker. And I don't know any white people that are offended by it (other than those media people in SF). Totally different, in my opinion.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 7, 2006 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Joe in Raleigh I thought about responding. But I realize that this clown just posted that so he can get some attention. There is no way anyone in their right mind would think the two words have the same meaning and effect.

Posted by: jm220 | December 7, 2006 10:34 AM | Report abuse

So B. Lloyd using the term 'cracker' in describing white people wasn't meant to be derogatory at all?

Posted by: Leo Gomez | December 7, 2006 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Leo Gomez no one is saying that at all. We all know the history of the two words. To say that the both have the same impact is just down right foolish.

Posted by: jm220 | December 7, 2006 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Rick Bob, I looked this up for you...

Main Entry: Core Redskin
Pronunciation: 'kor 'red-skin
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English
1: a central part of the Washington Redskins
2: a player that must sign for less than he's worth
3: the next player to be released

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 7, 2006 10:39 AM | Report abuse

HAve you ever heard his rap songs? He basically raps like any rapper on the radio, using any and every word. They played one a couple of months ago on his radio show. It was ridiculous. I think he was talkin about some of the people back in SanFran......

Posted by: 4th | December 7, 2006 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Our return yard averages for PR and KR have to be pretty good. There is one rookie returned, maybe from Chicago, who might be better,

Devin Hester(DB Chicago Bears)
Punt Returns:
Ret: 35
FC: 6
RetYds: 497
Avg: 14.2
Lg: 84
TD: 3
20+: 9

That doesn't include the missed fg he returned for 108 yards that started out with the ambivalent street-corner stroll.

By the way, all the stalkerish, info-gathering stuff is udderly scary.

Posted by: Megskin | December 7, 2006 10:42 AM | Report abuse

There's no real history (that I know of) to the word cracker

"What cracker is this same that deafe our eares with this abundance of superfluous breath?" --- William Shakespeare, King John, Act II, Scene 1, 1594.

Posted by: Megskin | December 7, 2006 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Joe in Ral,

Hysterical. Can't wait to see Coach Joe label Cooley and Taylor "core guys" only to see them walk because we have too much money tied up in the personal punt protector and a rapper.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 7, 2006 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Ricky Bobby you are really bring me down this morning. If we let the Reaper and Cooley walk man. I won't even say it. We just better not let them walk.

Posted by: jm220 | December 7, 2006 10:57 AM | Report abuse

I agree that ARE has been flat out awesome... not just in terms of excitement, field position etc, but he truly is a character guy as well.

The problem I have is that you look around the league at other good punt returners, like Hester and BJ Sams, and those guys just don't have 30 mill deals with 11 mill guaranteed. Why? Because those teams realize that by signing a PR/3rd WR to that kind of deal will limit what you can do in terms of depth at positions like... hmmmmmm.... how about CB, DE, LB, S, OL, etc, etc...

no matter how good ARE is, it's just not smart... I'm sorry, it's just not.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 7, 2006 10:58 AM | Report abuse

What are the odds of the 'Skins trading for Randy Moss in the offseason?

Posted by: Sam Snead | December 7, 2006 11:00 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: Anonymous | December 7, 2006 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Hey where is JLC this morning? Did you guys run him away with the Springs talk last night? lol (just joking) I am going to go and Terry Tate my manager to pick up my spirits because Ricky Bobby got my down.

Posted by: jm220 | December 7, 2006 11:02 AM | Report abuse


my bad... these vent sessions are great therapy for bummed Skins fans.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 7, 2006 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Randy Moss!!! Sam Snead smack in the back of the head for that one. If you think B Lloyd is bad. Moss calls out players, plays when he wants, and has drop my passes then Llyod. We have enough problems no more big name FA's past their prime and trouble.

Posted by: jm220 | December 7, 2006 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Have we talked about TO being so lame that he has to announce his "birthday week" to the whole world. He's throwing himself a birthday party and he uses his only "friend" - Big Media, to get some love.

How sad is this man. I don't even laugh anymore. I really am starting to feel sorry for him.

Parcells probably was invited to that party.

Posted by: Dorf | December 7, 2006 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I didn't mean to imply that trading for Moss would be a good thing, just going on what type of moves this organization has made in the past. I wouldn't want Moss here.

Posted by: Sam Snead | December 7, 2006 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Ricky Bobby, oh man, can't you just see the press conference now?

"Lloyd is not going to be starting but he's still an important guy for us. He's the guy who stands 10 yards behind the QB on kneel-downs and that's real important up here. He's also our team rapper. He's really rapping his guts out."

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 7, 2006 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Joe in Ral,

I started laughing at that, but then started crying uncontrollably... still hysterical though.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 7, 2006 11:14 AM | Report abuse

How bout this one....Next offseason the team makes a run at, and signs, Little Jon.

Yeeeeeaaaaahhhhhhhhh! Whhhhhaaaaatt!? Yeeeeaaaaaahhhhh! Oooooooookaaaayyyyyyy!!Yeeaaaaahhhhh! Whhhaaaattt!? Ooooooookaaaaayyyyyy!! Whhhaaaattttt!?

Posted by: Lance Uppercut | December 7, 2006 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Adam Schefter on the site reports this morning that Terrell Owens leads the NFL in dropped passes (12), followed by two other guys with 10 each.

Devin Hester was the guy I was thinking about. I remember thinking about him in the last draft (he's from the U). Chicago scored huge on that one. [On the udder scare, methinks the info-dropping lady doth protest too much.]

Ricky Bobby, I accept your point about ARE and the salary ... and he does often start a return running backward ....

When do we get to start obsessing about the draft again? After the Senior Bowl? I'm really psyched (not) that everyone else is going to be getting talent with what used to be our picks.

Lots of injuries in Philly's D backfield. Hopefully BLloyd will try to redeem himself and hang on to the ball. Thrash is the guy for money -- he always has a big play against Philly. Also time for ARE to vindicate my endorsement and get a receiving TD.

Posted by: dcsween | December 7, 2006 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Cleaning water off of my computer screen. Lil Jon. LMAO!

Posted by: jm220 | December 7, 2006 11:27 AM | Report abuse


JLa, "So Lil' Coach Gibbs said you guys were fighting your guts out, out there today. Do you feel that statement is true of the entire team?"


JLa "I saw you limping out there how's your hammy feel?"


Posted by: Skinz | December 7, 2006 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if the reason they don't use draft picks and just sign free agents is simply, laziness.

Posted by: vinney cerrato | December 7, 2006 11:46 AM | Report abuse

jm220 -

It's sad to see you don't like animals....why not?

Posted by: Jane Doe | December 7, 2006 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Jane Doe does this mean your blog crush is over? :( hugs lol

I am just not a big animal lover.

Posted by: jm220 | December 7, 2006 12:02 PM | Report abuse

jm220 -

Perhaps it is something we could, hypothetically, work through.....Not even dogs? *sigh*

Posted by: Jane Doe | December 7, 2006 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if the reason they don't use draft picks and just sign free agents is simply, laziness.

Actually, I'm sold on the theory that it's because draft classes take a whole lot of shabingas to bring into a Madden '07 franchise, myself.

As to this cracker thing, I thought the 'cracker' as per Shakespeare referred to a hothead, rather than any particular ethnicity. Regardless, the 'N' word, given the history of this country and the 'n'-word's association to it is far more treacherous and dismaying, by far.

Posted by: FlimFlam | December 7, 2006 12:09 PM | Report abuse

As to this cracker thing, I thought the 'cracker' as per Shakespeare referred to a hothead, rather than any particular ethnicity.

From Wikipedia:
The term cracker was in use during Elizabethan times to describe braggarts. The original root of this is the Middle English word crack1 meaning "entertaining conversation" (One may be said to "'crack' a joke"); this term and the alternate spelling "craic" are still in use in Ireland and Scotland.

And More:
Historically the word suggested poor, white rural Americans with little formal education. Historians point out the term originally referred to the strong Scots-Irish of the backcountry (as opposed to the English of the seacoast). Thus a sociologist reported in 1926, "As the plantations expanded these freed men (formerly bond servants) were pushed further and further back upon the more and more sterile soil. They became 'pinelanders,' 'corn-crackers,' or 'crackers.'"

And yet more from somewhere else:
"However, the word's etymology is slippery. It is also a designation used by and for Southerners many of whom self-identify proudly as crackers, especially whites from Georgia and sometimes from Florida. (Meg edit:blah blah blah) While the word cracker has varied and shifting definitions, and while "cracker culture" is a major field of study all by itself, the word cracker actually holds mostly negative connotations stemming back to its first usage. In fact, in Florida, the word cracker when used as a racial epithet is a violation under the Florida Hate Crimes Act."

Posted by: Megskin | December 7, 2006 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I think that we'll continue to disagree on the merits of the Washington Times and the quality (or lack thereof) of their journalism. But this isn't the place for that discussion. Back to football.

Posted by: TechNomad | December 7, 2006 12:38 PM | Report abuse

dcsween, very impressive on megskin.

thanks ya'll if i only applied my photographic memory to things worth rembering like taking out trash on trash days...

Posted by: dealer | December 7, 2006 4:21 PM | Report abuse

oops! i just read megskin's little comment...sorry meg, i don't usually read your long winded shtuff or anyone else's for that matter. but honestly i thought dcsween was you. and you were being funny. and if you know one thing about me it's that i don't like smileys and don't take a shower until after the game.

so, sorry if it wasn't. in future please don't dish out personal information even in bits and pieces. as you can tell it's not that hard to put it all together. because let's be fare you're the only one we know so much about. no one here has dished out as much personal info as you. and i love the fact that you're a mumm. that's so cool. cuz it makes me feel not so weird blogging as much as i do. and dcsween said you have TWO?????? how the F do you have so much time??????????????

anyways...don't take this as mean original post along with this is done all with a smile. i did it cuz i thought where the heck is that list of "regulars" that jason promised. so i put up one myself. if you'd like i can ask jason's editor to delete my post and dcsween's.

Posted by: dealer | December 7, 2006 9:33 PM | Report abuse

in future please don't dish out personal information even in bits and pieces. as you can tell it's not that hard to put it all together.

I'm not particularly worried, to get to me you'd have to get past all the swinging corpses of "admirers" that the Beast has stripped flesh from bone with his grime encrusted claws and consumed: he likes his meat raw you see.

If anyone wants to come on over and try something they're more than welcome, we have to eat after all; I promise it doesn't hurt that much, ( did used to be quite a painful process, and the neighbors complained about all the screaming that went on; that is until he began to rip out the subject's tongue by the root, that fixed that, hehe) and he'll even keep you alive for a few days, at least until you suffer renal failure.

This post is also, done with a smile.

Posted by: Megskin | December 7, 2006 10:15 PM | Report abuse

phew! i was a bit worried that you were serious. but when did you start calling him beast? i've always known him as a "troll" from back in the day, you know when the skins were supposedly headed to the SB in '06.

did you leave the troll and are now with a beast? i don't like beast. i liked troll much better. he seemed like a calmer(as in had no idea what was going on) than this "beast". yikes! what has he done to you?

anyways, my offer still stands/actually doing it. and i feel really bad cuz i'm picturing you in one of those Georgetown 1920's row homes(only ones i know in dc) with a new tennant living in the basement who happens to be a stalker from this blog and is waiting for the right moment to just do wrong things.

EDITOR, could you please delete my comment about the regulars' info and i suppose dcsween's as well.

Posted by: dealer | December 7, 2006 10:33 PM | Report abuse

dealer: when did you start calling him beast? i've always known him as a "troll" from back in the day

I never referred to him as the troll, somebody read my words and interpreted it that way: "And in front of that cave squats a misshapen creature of Grendel-like proportions, great infected and festering warts spot his bloated frame, covered only by a ripped and redolent Billy Kilmer Super Bowl VII game-day jersey. Beware the beast, for it only drinks Busch."

Posted by: Megskin | December 7, 2006 10:52 PM | Report abuse

ohhhhhhhhhhhkay sorry about that. busch? i guess you need not worry then.

Posted by: dealer | December 7, 2006 11:05 PM | Report abuse

You like Busch? I think it's just plain wrong no matter what the occasion, but try and tell him that. Swill-water, bleh!

Posted by: Megskin | December 7, 2006 11:08 PM | Report abuse

i don't drink. never have. but i've seen people who drink busch. and i wouldn't want to go near any of 'em...

Posted by: dealer | December 7, 2006 11:13 PM | Report abuse

shoot i just lied. actually i've drank some dom and intended to/had to (for some SANE college reason) drink the whole bottle but couldn't do it...

Posted by: dealer | December 7, 2006 11:17 PM | Report abuse

dealer and megskin, my bad. sorry.

Posted by: dcsween | December 8, 2006 12:51 PM | Report abuse

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