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Next Task: Filling Team's Remaining Holes

Jason Reid checks in on a quiet Sunday afternoon:

Guard Derrick Dockery and cornerback DeAngelo Hall are supposed to be available to the media sometime tomorrow at Redskins Park, so we'll get their comments to you as soon as, well, they speak.

With all the headline-grabbing the Redskins did in re-signing Hall, bringing back Dockery, a Washington draft pick and four-year starter with the team, and luring Pro Bowl defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth from Tennessee by making him the game's highest-paid defensive player, the Redskins still have holes to fill, most notably along the offensive line.

Dockery moves back into the left guard spot alongside his buddy, Pro Bowl left tackle Chris Samuels. Casey Rabach is entrenched at center and the Redskins hope right guard Randy Thomas fully recovers from surgery to repair a bulging disc in his neck. That leaves right tackle, where the team is determined to upgrade, league sources said.

The Redskins want to replace Jon Jansen for good, believing he was the weakest link on a unit that broke down in the second half. During offseason meetings at the complex, the Redskins determined the ineffective play of the offensive line was among the biggest factors in the team's 2-6 slide.

Although some in the organization believe third-year tackle Stephon Heyer could be better than average as a full-time starter, others are not so sure, and the consensus is that the Redskins must attempt to find another option from outside the complex. After the team's record 24-hour spending spree, there's no cap room remaining at this point to pursue the type of rising, athletic tackles Coach Jim Zorn would want to help execute his version of the West Coast offense.

The Redskins only have four draft picks, including the 13th overall selection, and they are expected to draft a tackle. For depth purposes, the Redskins also still are in the market for a center who can play guard.

Washington also needs two to three linebackers and another defensive end. The Redskins are expected to experiment with end Jason Taylor as a linebacker in their 4-3 scheme, which should be interesting.

One would think that $14 million in cap room would have enabled the Redskins to address all of their needs, especially when they determined internally that the offensive line was problem No. 1. It's true that we often wrote about the team's poor performance pressuring quarterbacks and forcing turnovers, but Washington was fourth overall in defense last season, a fact defensive coordinator Greg Blache seemed to point out at the beginning and end of almost every question he answered during the second-half collapse.

Many people I respect in the organization are confident that owner Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations, made the right move in making the big splash with Haynesworth. They told me that the impact he'll have on the defense, with his ability to occupy multiple blockers and still collapse the pocket from his interior position will result in sacks and interceptions that did not occur last season. They also really believe in the Hall and Dockery moves, saying the team is in a much better position, talent-wise, than it was at this time last year.

How many more victories will that result in? None of the people I asked would put a number out there for me. They just said the talent level has increased and they expect good things to follow.

If I had been in Cerrato's shoes (I'll let you supply the snark here), I would have spread the money around more in an attempt to add several offensive and defensive linemen. But to be honest about it, what do I know about building a football team? Well, unless you're talking about the Dynasty mode on EA Sports NCAA Football...I'm pretty good there. Later.

By Cindy Boren  |  March 1, 2009; 5:49 PM ET
 
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Am i the FIRST to say, what about signing a punter too?

Posted by: ThatGuy2 | March 1, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

I wish they would have spread the money more. I hope they have some sort of plan to get a few more LB'S and another lineman or two on both sides.

Posted by: richr75 | March 1, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Wow!!!! An informative, well thought out, non-biased report! Anyway the whiny little person can stay gone?

Posted by: Lacantwrite | March 1, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

... what about signing that RT from Seattle Zorn knows so well - havent heard that story in a few days. IMO, they'll trade down from the #13 pick, get an OLB with a late 1st rounder, and then OL for depth the rest of the draft. ...We'll sign a punter, and after cutting Jansen, sign that Seattle RT and let him battle with Heyer (and whoever we draft) for the starting spot.

Posted by: ThatGuy2 | March 1, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Who else read the title of this post and thought: Giggity.

And, this post is JUST as whiny as JLCs.

We'll take an RT in the draft. If the big 4 are gone, well trade down and land one of the 2nd tiers (Britton, Loadholt). If Orakpo is still there, well probably grab him and then try and trade up to grab a tier 2 RT.

Next offseason, we'll sign a RG in FA and draft a center.

The rest of the picks this year and next will be used on DTs and LBs. If the soph WRs dont step up this year either, well have to pick up a WR.

We really could be mostly set by the time 2010 rolls around.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 1, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

I think cutting JJ is impossible due to his cap hits and such as. I still think Heyer is a good choice at RT but much like Reid I am no more than a EAxprt.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 1, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I think the stars are aligning. If Andre Smith's so-called "horribe" combine lets him slip to #13, we'll have a top 5 type OT to fill in a critical hole.

Special teams needs work, but that's always a bit of a hit or miss proposition that can be addressed with lower draft picks and free agents.

I really like the way things are shaping up!

Posted by: Alan4 | March 1, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Jansen's cap hit prohibits cutting him. Anyway as a backup for depth he is fine. I think he showed he can spot start, he just can't hold up game after game.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 1, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Who else read the title of this post and thought: Giggity.

I wish I had ryp, but I so get it...

Posted by: Zeebs | March 1, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Giants got Bernard and Canty.

Given the holes the Skins have, I'd take those two over one Haynesworth.

At this point, quantity over quality.

Posted by: SteveMG | March 1, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I disagree with Reid that "spreading the money around" is necessarily a better solution than locking in Haynesworth, Hall, and Dockery.

What's the point of "spreading the money" and getting more mediocre OLs and DLs? We need real studs on both lines. No more projects or lateral talent. Haynesworth is a proven beast, and Dockery is a known upgrade. If Andre Smith keeps giving bad interviews, he could be a slip to the Skins and give them another *young* monster on the O-line. We already have servicable backups.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 1, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

AH had more sacks by himself (8.5) than Bernard and Canty had combined (7).

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 1, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Giants got Bernard and Canty.

Given the holes the Skins have, I'd take those two over one Haynesworth.

At this point, quantity over quality.

Posted by: SteveMG | March 1, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

they only signed them after making a failed attempt to sign AH. also, canty is a 3-4 run stopper, not sure why people think he'd do just as good a job as AH.

Posted by: hcicron | March 1, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin, thanks for summarizing my point so simply :-)

Posted by: Alan4 | March 1, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see the Skins trade down with the Lions @ 20 and get their 3rd round pick as well. We could still get Max Unger who can play 3 positions, C, G & RT and still get a couple of quality LB'ers in the 3rd round.

Posted by: Dkessler1 | March 1, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins already had Osi Umenyiora, Justin Tuck, Mathias Kiwanuka, and Fred Robbins, I also would take the "cheap" signings of Canty and Rocky Bernard. Unfortunately the Skins didn't already have that.

And the Giants went after Haynesworth. They simply didn't land him.

And just in case anybody was actually providing an analysis of the Redskins last season, their problem was NOT depth. It was talent. Signing bodies for the sake of quantity would be negligible for this team. The skins need upgrades, not depth.

Posted by: psps23 | March 1, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I think we'll draft at RT at #13, which should solidify our O-Line, methinks. Randy Thomas has another year in the tank, and with Jansen and Rinehart as back-ups, we should be servicable at the RG position until the 2010 draft. That said, I'd love to see us get Alex Mack or Max Unger in the second round (obviously trading around to get in the 2nd round) for the C/G position. I wish we didn't need so many OLBs or it'd be a no brainer to go for the gold with O-Line in the 2009 draft...

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 1, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Who are these "offensive linemen" you would have spent money on instead of going big with Haynesworth? The Skins got Dock back and, by the way, still have enough cap space to execute another Dockery type deal for someone like Ray Willis if they wanted to do so. But maybe you would have preferred a second tier guy like Stacey Andrews at RT? Let's see what happens in the draft, where they may be in position to get Smith or Oher to fill that spot.

BTW, for those who only get their info from the Redskins "Insider", the Skins still have $3.8 million in cap room after doing the deals for Haynesworth, Dock, and Hall. Don't believe all the JLC et al. hype about being against the cap. Give me a break.

Posted by: Ehren | March 1, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

"What's the point of "spreading the money" and getting more mediocre OLs and DLs? We need real studs on both lines. No more projects or lateral talent. Haynesworth is a proven beast, and Dockery is a known upgrade. If Andre Smith keeps giving bad interviews, he could be a slip to the Skins and give them another *young* monster on the O-line. We already have servicable backups.

Posted by: Alan4"

Exactly.

Posted by: psps23 | March 1, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

The Skins should sign Eric Barton and Donatarious Thomas at linebacker, Hunter Smith to punt, Ron Bartell as reserve cornerback.

Resign Demetric Evans and draft Michael Oher or Andre Smith if he falls to us.

And that's pretty much your team, maybe Elton Brown at guard if Thomas cant go.

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | March 1, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Is there any chance that j.taylors contract will be renegotiated? that would give us enough money to sign a RT like willis.

Posted by: amsaul | March 1, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

By the way, in case anybody was wondering, Ryan Clady (offensive tackle selected #12 overall last year) signed a 5-year, $17.5 million contract, with 11.5 million guaranteed. That's what the Redskins would be looking to spend should they opt to go offensive tackle in the first round.

Posted by: psps23 | March 1, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

does that 3.8 mill include room for the draft picks? i know they factored that in before the dock signing, just curious

Posted by: hcicron | March 1, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Guys,

Skins will trade a 2010 first round pick for a 2009 second rounder. Theyre not trading out of #13 where another big splash can be made.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 1, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

also just saw the deal the gmen gave to canty and they way overpaid him, more than they pay osi and justin tuck

Posted by: amsaul | March 1, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for objective reporting i for one am not interested in a reporter who gushes twenty-four seven about his home team when they do goofball stuff i want honest reporting as far as JLC is concerned he does a good job reporting on this franchise, I'm not sure any of you would want that job given the criticism i've seen on this blog he is dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn't. Lacanfora and Reid do a excellent job of keeping ever demanding Redskin fans up to date on whatever is happening with the franchise but as I stated earlier i'm not looking for cheerleaders.

Posted by: dargregmag | March 1, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Andre Smith would be awesome at 13, but knowing Cerrato if Crabtree is available at 13, he'll snag him..Granted, the O-line still needs a tackle, but Crabtree could provide the high flying points in the red zone the Skins desperately lacked last year, could be a good move..Philly looks to have lost its mind letting Sheppard and Dawkins go, McNabb said he wants to leave if they don't make a strong effort to upgrade, which definitely ain't happenin' yet..

Posted by: frak | March 1, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

We blew it not signing Canty as well. He would have been a great Left D end.

Definately should have cut J. Taylor and replaced him with Canty. (JT 35yr, CC 26yr)

Can someone tell me where Jason Taylor is going to play? He is not a 4-3 D End or Linebacker... What a waste.

I hope the report of Marvin Harrison coming in for a vist is wrong. If he can't get open enough for Peyton Manning, then he sure as hell can't get open enough for Jason Campbell. I'll take DJ Hackett - he already know the system & is young, big & can still run.

Speaking of: How about Jason Campbell and our 3rd round pick for Jay Cutler??? (Don't say our first round pick as KC got Cassell + a LB for a staight up second)

Posted by: Skin1 | March 1, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

i would like to see them bring in kevin burnett to fill the olb slot.

Posted by: hcicron | March 1, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

It is always a risk tying up a large chunk of your available resources into one person. A part of me thinks the better move would have been to sign 2-3 players instead of AH. However, it also occured to me when was the last time the Redskins had a player on defense or offense that teams had to game plan for? Especially in the last couple of years there wasn't one player that other teams feared.

Posted by: lifelongfan | March 1, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

That's right. I understand your concerns about injuries. They are part of the game.

But remember also that we can only put 11 on the field at a time. So you want to have the best athletes whenever possible.

So 2 or 3 extra bodies are great when one gets hurt. But having a stud to stuff the run and punch a hole in the pocket will be a big plus.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 1, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frediefritz | March 1, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

does that 3.8 mill include room for the draft picks? i know they factored that in before the dock signing, just curious

Posted by: hcicron | March 1, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

No, you can factor in $2.5 for the four draft picks but as you sign more players others will get knocked out of the top 51 (and thus irrelevant for cap purposes so that essentially makes the draft picks cap neutral ($2.5 for picks; $2.4 knocked out of the top 51). I'm taking these numbers from someone else's work, but they are good info. Unlike the beat guys at the Post they actually crunch the numbers.

Posted by: Ehren | March 1, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

I say we trade down our 13th pick and a 2010 3rd rounder for a later 1st rounder and a 2nd. then use the first rounder for heyward-bey from our own backyard and the 2nd for a solid o-linemen. we need another weapon on offense cuz if thomas or kelly suck ass again then were screwed or if moss gets injured like he has the past few years with that hammy then again were screwed. We need another weapon or our offense wont get much farther than it did last year. heywards big and really fast and from md so he'd be my choice.

Posted by: amsaul | March 1, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Guys,

Skins will trade a 2010 first round pick for a 2009 second rounder. Theyre not trading out of #13 where another big splash can be made.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 1, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

I hope that they do do this-- I honestly think it'd be a good move, especially if it's an early 2nd round pick.

1st round - Oher or Smith, RT (who could also go RG if needed with Heyer at RT)
2nd round - Mack or Unger, C/G
3rd round - best available OLB
5th round - best available OLB
6th round - Cedric Dockery, OG

Sign one more FA OLB and we should be good going into the draft.

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 1, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for objective reporting i for one am not interested in a reporter who gushes twenty-four seven about his home team when they do goofball stuff i want honest reporting as far as JLC is concerned he does a good job reporting on this franchise, I'm not sure any of you would want that job given the criticism i've seen on this blog he is dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn't. Lacanfora and Reid do a excellent job of keeping ever demanding Redskin fans up to date on whatever is happening with the franchise but as I stated earlier i'm not looking for cheerleaders.

Posted by: dargregmag | March 1, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

I agree with not having a cheerleader for beat reporter. But it does get a little tiresome when every story exposes a grudge against Vinny or DS.

Having said that, I suspect that VC and DS share some of the blame for the situation.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 1, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

I hope the report of Marvin Harrison coming in for a vist is wrong. If he can't get open enough for Peyton Manning, then he sure as hell can't get open enough for Jason Campbell. I'll take DJ Hackett - he already know the system & is young, big & can still run.

Speaking of: How about Jason Campbell and our 3rd round pick for Jay Cutler??? (Don't say our first round pick as KC got Cassell + a LB for a staight up second)

Posted by: Skin1 | March 1, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse
The comment about Harrison was a joke. The story had someone at Lavar's restaurant being shot.

ANd I would say no for a straight-up trade of JC for Cutler, and would be definitely opposed to JC and a 3rd for Cutler.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 1, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

how about angelo crowell to play OLB, resign demetric evans, and draft Andre Smith or Michael Oher and pick up the best available in the 3rd round and then call it a day.

Posted by: Redskins001 | March 1, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

"Skins will trade a 2010 first round pick for a 2009 second rounder. Theyre not trading out of #13 where another big splash can be made.
Posted by: talent_evaluator"

I bet they'd trade 13 for something in the mid-20's plus a low second or high third rounder, this season.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

did any of you click on the "harrison to skins" link? It was to a story about the shooting outside of Lavar's club. It was joke in reference to Harrison's off the field shooting/club issues.....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 1, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Would Kendall ever come back as a backup? With his knees I would think he would like that change.

Posted by: az_david | March 1, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

interesting observation from pat kirwan:

2. Free-agency signings reflect draft-class weaknesses

Right after NFL executives and coaches returned from an intense week at the combine in Indianapolis, the free-agency period started. Early free-agent signings might point to the positions that teams believe are lacking in the 2009 draft class.

The contracts signed by Scott, Jonathan Vilma, Takeo Spikes, Michael Boley and even Keith Brooking tells me the linebacker talent pool in the draft is suspect. The guard population in the draft also is a concern to NFL teams as Chris Kemoeatu, Brandon Moore and Derrick Dockery all cashed in right away in free agency.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 1, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

I bet they'd trade 13 for something in the mid-20's plus a low second or high third rounder, this season.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2009 8:03 PM

If they grab Willis, and think he can start, then they could trade down - if they get the right offer. Otherwise, they'll stay at 13 and grab a tackle. You dont get many shots at a guy that good.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 1, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

I am not going to say that I am happy with the Haynesworth signing... i think we have too many holes to fill and i think the money could have been spent more appropriately elsewhere... However, to say that this is a terrible stupid signing is just retarded. Haynesworth, lazy or not, is a dominate physical athlete who demands double teams. Even if he isn't as dominating as he was in Tenn, he will instantly improve Andre Carter and Jason Taylor. He will instantly make Montgomery, Golston and Griffin more productive. It'll make Fletcher and McIntosh better players as well. Our biggest weakness, on a sick defense, has now been taken care of. Period, we will get to the qb more and we will get better field position...

However, we now have to wonder how we are going to upgrade the offensive line. Jansen is clearly not the answer and really neither is Randy Thomas or Casey Rabach. Samuels might have a year or 2 left in him and with the resigning of my boy DOC, who for some reason I've always loved, our left side seems solidified. However, if we use the 13th pick for anything other than trading down, getting more picks, and taking a tackle... then were screwed... I don't think there are any tackles that should be taken at 13... all the top guys will be gone by then and no point in wasting a pick when we can trade down and get more picks, which we clearly need.... However, without upgrading the oline we will, again, be a mediocre team with an awesome defense. Campbell cannot become a good qb if hes being nailed 15 times a game, can't happen.

So while Haynesworth is helpful, unless we fix this oline problem were heading for another 8-8 season, at best.

Sorry for ranting just had a lot to say.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 1, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

I don't think there are any tackles that should be taken at 13... all the top guys will be gone by then...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 1, 2009 8:31 PM

Am I correct that you, yourself are a person and a member of the collective that you refer to as stupid?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 1, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

As a Giants fan, I laugh when you guys say "The Giants went after Haynesworth and didnt get him". The Giants were not stupid enough to pay that much to one guy! When the price got too high, Reece was smart enough to back away. We got 3 guys for what you paid for 1. Good luck this season trying to keep JC upright when we play you.

BTW, we will still run for 150+ on your d-line!

Posted by: Giantsfan1 | March 1, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

JR is not whining like JLC does. When JLC gives his opinion you can sense disdain for the franchise as a whole. JR just seems like he has a differing opinion. An opinion shared by a lot of pundits, only he wasn't a dick about it like so many are (so many stupid sanders/stubblefield references, i can't believe they get paid for that).

I love the dockery signing and i like painsworth, the only one i was iffy on was giving so much money to deangelo. Not that we didn't need him, but thats a ton of money and i dont think anyone would have given him 80% of that.

as far as the draft goes, top 4 OT or trade back and get an OT and a LB...seems like that the best option.

i appreciate JR's "later" endings by the way

Posted by: poconnor | March 1, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

As a Giants fan, I laugh when you guys say "The Giants went after Haynesworth and didnt get him". The Giants were not stupid enough to pay that much to one guy! When the price got too high, Reece was smart enough to back away. We got 3 guys for what you paid for 1. Good luck this season trying to keep JC upright when we play you.

BTW, we will still run for 150+ on your d-line!

Posted by: Giantsfan1 | March 1, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Well you obvisously do not pay attention to your own team news....They offer over 31 million Guaranteed....moron

Posted by: leevi98 | March 1, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Ehren's post above is very interesting.

The "Rule of 51" Ehren was referring to is the rule that stipulates the top 51 cap figures are counted against the cap for any given team. However, that rule is only relevant from now until the day before the season starts. Once the season starts, all 53 men on the roster, all players on IR or PUP, and all practice squad players count against the cap. Generally speaking, if the #52 and #53 men on the roster are vet min players, and if the team keeps an 8-man practice squad for 17 weeks during the season, this team would have to be approximately $1.2 million under the "Rule of 51" cap.

If this team indeed does have $3.5 million in cap space as Ehren's source suggests, that leaves approximately $2.3 million of space with which to make any additions, including draft picks. His sentiment that the addition of draft selections are "cap neutral" is a little overstated, as the #13 pick in the draft will most certainly have a higher cap figure than the likely veteran minimum player he would replace on the "Rule of 51" cap. The 3rd, 5th, and 6th rounders, however, most likely would be washes with whoever they replace.

So the question is how much above the vet minimum will the #13 overall pick cost in cap figures. Take that number, subtract it by $2.3 million, and that's likely the amount of space the Skins still have to play with (if Ehren's source is correct).

Posted by: psps23 | March 1, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

I like our position right now-- I think we should sign one more OLB and perhaps a kicker or punter in FA and look to the draft... RT in the 1st round, trade into the 2nd for a C/G, then work on OLB and O-Line depth in the 5th and 6th rounds.

Solid.

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 1, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

JR is not whining like JLC does. When JLC gives his opinion you can sense disdain for the franchise as a whole. JR just seems like he has a differing opinion.

Posted by: poconnor | March 1, 2009 9:01 PM

I just feel like JLC has been on the beat too long and should be rotated to a new assignment. JLC has gotten stale and never brings anything fresh to a story. Even Cork can do better with his hate, always finding a new way to say the same thing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 1, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

>leevi98, Last time i checked, 31 was less than 41, and we didnt go near $100 million. The only other team that went near the Redskins was Tampa, and they have 60+ million in cap space! Vinnie and Danny are suckers, or as NFL players call them "The real Stimulus Package".

Posted by: Giantsfan1 | March 1, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

JANSEN, FABINI, and GEISINGER should hit the bricks, and thanks for the memories guys. We do have BATISTE and MONTGOMERY lurking in the weeds. With DOCKERY's return it sure looks like BUGES thinks RINEHART was a waste of a pick - as a starter anyway. I wonder if he's gonna' be DERRICK's back-up. So we pick a right OT with the #13th. Isn't that a little over the top for a RIGHT tackle?

Anyway, we STILL need a LB. I'm not thrilled about the dance-master taking over for MARCUS WASHINGTON. But hey, who knows. Gotta' give it a go first I suppose. Definite that H.B. BLADES is not the answer there. A solid player, but not an outside backer. He should alternate with LONDON FLETCHER in the middle. AL FINCHER was supposed to step into that role, but he was hurt. This year maybe he and ROCKY McINTOSH get it done. The bad guys would put a hat on FLETCHER last year and run outside the tackles. That's where the D kept getting gashed. KHARY CAMPBELL - Not the answer.

Are either DANIELS or EVANS gonna' be signed? With HAYNESWORTH on a mission, the d-line could become scary. Have we signed MONTGOMERY and GOLSTON? Is LORENZO ALEXANDER gonna' play DT again? I assume BOSCHETTI is the odd-man out. I gotta' believe with HAYNESWORTH and GRIFFIN starting, its gonna' be tough both up the middle and in the pocket for the bad guys. Now maybe some media darlings get flushed to the outside for ANDRE CARTER to clean up. That would be nice.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 1, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Giantsfan1,

You just signed Chris Canty, a career role-player in the 3-4 for the worst defense in the NFC East who was surrounded by pro-bowlers off the edges and at the nose tackle, to a $40+ million contract. Enjoy pretending he's anywhere in the same league as Albert Haynesworth.

Posted by: psps23 | March 1, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Hey Gintsfan1, posse found your home video.

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Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 1, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

F the Giants. Their best player is gonna be suspended for stupidly shooting himself and they won as many playoff games as we did this year. Zero.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 1, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Nice scamp. I thought about reposting that.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 1, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Posse, everytime I see, talk to, or think about a Gints fan from now on I will think about that loser on the video.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 1, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

'...some in the organization believe third-year tackle Stephon Heyer could be a full-time starter...'


Correction: '...most in the organization should see Stephon Heyer is a back up waiting to happen...'

Starting Heyer will allow the team to avoid, again, the non-sexy draft issue of drafting a player at a position it ignores--offensive linemen.

Fact is, for all the smarts folks see in Fat Albert, rememba: the titans drafted him to play in the interior d-line with the 15th pick-- something the redskins would never do with an offensive or defensive lineman.

Let's take a rt or lt prospect this year and develop us a player other teams want instead of always being the team that wants what we can't have.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 1, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Andre Smith would be awesome at 13, but knowing Cerrato if Crabtree is available at 13, he'll snag him..Granted, the O-line still needs a tackle, but Crabtree could provide the high flying points in the red zone the Skins desperately lacked...

Posted by: frak | March 1, 2009 7:21 PM

Report: Crabtree opts for early surgery, won't run for scouts

Better stick with an OT. I hope Andre Smith drops to 13, but if he's not available maybe then we think about trading down.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 1, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Giantsfan1

'...BTW, we will still run for 150+ on your d-line!'

BTW: Elmer Fudd is giving shooting lessons in the morning, has Plax signed up yet?

Maybe you guys will do us a fava and take D Evans off the scrap heep we tossed him on like you did with Pierce and Arrington.

And who's gonna get those INTs once Prince Al "The Fatman" Haynesworth cometh up into Eli's face and Plax is sittin' on Rykers Island getting scared straight by some jehri-curl wearing guy in an Carl Banks jersey?

Save the trash talk for the season.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 1, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Skins could easily upgrade at OL with some FA money, just cut Jason Taylor.

I hate the idea of 'experimenting' with Taylor. He was HOF level player at RDE. Put him there. Don't overthink it.

My guess is the team is looking at Taylor at LB, because aside from Fletcher, it's not a strong group.

Its important to know the Skins have created 3 holes ... by letting Evans, Washington and Springs all move on.

They have just as many holes now as they did before the signings.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 1, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Nope zz, Washington and Springs created their own holes half the season with their injuries. At least the holes we created we know are there. The Evans thing creates a hole that needs filled. He will become a good player I think.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 1, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Rotoworld is spouting rumors that the Skins could be interested in trading a mid-round pick with the Rams for Torry Holt and Orlando Pace.

So much for the youth movement...

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 1, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

I don't buy it T. They'll take a low rounder for those guys. Niether have more than a year or two at tops.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 1, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

zc, who do you think we have as good as Taylor? Cut Taylor and replace him with what? I don't like the idea of experimenting too much either, but I like the idea of keeping Taylor at the end. He played through a freak injury last year, so I'll judge him by what he did the year before: 11 sacks.

And I disagree they have as many holes as they did before the signings. 27 year old Haynesworth replaces 29 year old Evans, 25 year old Hall replaces oft-injured 34 year old Springs. Marcus Washington is a tough loss, bue at 31 years old he has missed 10 games over the past 2 years due to injuries--for all intents and purposes, that's a hold that already existed and hasn't been addressed yet.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 1, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Why would any Redskins fan put "best player" and "gun shot to the leg" in the same sentence................

Posted by: Giantsfan1 | March 1, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Rotoworld is spouting rumors that the Skins could be interested in trading a mid-round pick with the Rams for Torry Holt and Orlando Pace.

So much for the youth movement...

Posted by: TDawg1

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The skins would need $14 million in cap space for this to happen. Obviously we don't have it.

Only way this would happen is if the Skins could renegotiate both players down to very low contract. I don't see that as likely.

Posted by: psps23 | March 1, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully we'll sign an OLB and look to the draft.

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 1, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Why would any Redskins fan put "best player" and "gun shot to the leg" in the same sentence................

Posted by: Giantsfan1 | March 1, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

I could ask the same thing about a Giants fan, ass.

Plaxico, much?

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 1, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Skins could easily upgrade at OL with some FA money, just cut Jason Taylor.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 1, 2009 9:56 PM

Even if they don't cut him, they could restructure his contract and gain $4 - $5 million in cap space.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 1, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Even if they don't cut him, they could restructure his contract and gain $4 - $5 million in cap space.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 1, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

I'm hoping that's what they do so they can grab an OLB, maybe a kicker/ punter, and/or re-sign Demetric Evans for a reasonable rate.

I guess the waiting is the hardest part...

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 1, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Its important to know the Skins have created 3 holes ... by letting Evans, Washington and Springs all move on.
Posted by: zcezcest1
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Letting SPrings and Washington go create 2 holes on Injured Reserve...I'm not too worried about filling those.

As for Evans, let's hope that Hayneswoth on our DL improve the play of our Rob Jackson and Chris Wilson.

Plus, it's not clear what is going to happen with Phillip Daniels, although I admit he's getting old and coming off surgery!

Posted by: isnadd | March 1, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

scamp, that Gints fan video posted by Posse is hilarious!!!

So that's Giantassho1? ROTFLOL!!

Posted by: Alan4 | March 1, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Giantsfan1 | March 1, 2009 10:18 PM

If you are trying to compare a guy murdered in his own home to a jackass who shot himself at a club cause he was trying to keep it real, you are in the wrong spot. Typical classless Giant fan.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 1, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

+++Am I the only one SICK of the negativity at the Post? That is the easy way out.

Posted by: GloverPark1 | March 1, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Yes you are, because you are probably paid by Snyder and Cerrato to troll this board. Get lost loser

Posted by: cstanton1+++


Boy are YOU naive. there's about half dozen of Danny's Boys at any given time hre, trying to get the reporters fired, defending their bosses, mocking those who mock their shabby little lives.

Oh and these Sucker uppers accuss those who disagree with their Apple Pie assessment of being sucker uppers.

It's what makes this board great and drives the numbers sky high...

Posted by: TheCork | March 1, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

+++Am i the FIRST to say, what about signing a punter too?

Posted by: ThatGuy2 +++

Forget a punter. Sign a Trainer to make sure The Investment is in shape..

Remember, the redskins are one hamstring pull away from paying $31 million over hte next 13 months for a 400 pound paperweight.

Posted by: TheCork | March 1, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

+++Guard Derrick Dockery and cornerback DeAngelo Hall are supposed to be available to the media sometime tomorrow at Redskins Park, so we'll get their comments to you as soon as, well, they speak.+++---JR

We await their platitudes with baited breath.

Posted by: TheCork | March 1, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Forget a punter. Sign a Trainer to make sure The Investment is in shape..

Remember, the redskins are one hamstring pull away from paying $31 million over hte next 13 months for a 400 pound paperweight.

Posted by: TheCork | March 1, 2009 10:40 PM

Trainers don't count against the cap, sign 3.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 1, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

You don't have to cut Taylor to create cap room. You just sign him to a deal like Dawkins got in Denver. Or just do a 3 year $x contract with a $7 million bonus and a $1 million salary this year. That lowers his cap hit this year to about $3.3 million. No new money for JT, same pay this year, gain about $5 mil in cap space. I think the Skins fully expect to get Evans or Daniels back at a reduced rate as well as another Olineman.

Posted by: thinker11 | March 1, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

"Skins could easily upgrade at OL with some FA money, just cut Jason Taylor."

Talent difference:

(A) Prospective free agent offensive lineman vs. Heyer/Jansen or Randy Thomas

(B) Jason Taylor vs. Chris Wilson/Alex Buzbee/Rob Jackson

Now, which prospective free agent offensive lineman makes (A) greater than (B)? It would be hard to argue there's any offensive lineman on the FA market that yields (A) in the positive, regardless of the difference between Taylor and his backups. Especially if you're taking into account age/injury issues among offensive linemen, which would eliminate half the market (and you most definitely would rather only have Jason Taylor on the hook for one year than to force yourself to sign another old player to a long-term contract).

Posted by: psps23 | March 1, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Even if they don't cut him, they could restructure his contract and gain $4 - $5 million in cap space.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 1, 2009 10:26 PM

Stop repeating this restructure talk re Taylor because it doesn't make sense. What would be your suggested cap number for Taylor? After you come to that number, figure how to structure his new deal so that at a minimum he gets upfront the $8M+ he's already due to make this year.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 1, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

+++Giants got Bernard and Canty.

Given the holes the Skins have, I'd take those two over one Haynesworth.

At this point, quantity over quality.

Posted by: SteveMG+++

Quality? Remains to be seen which Haynesworth shows up. But the Giants added great depth to their defensive line rotation.

But then they have a much smarter FO.


Posted by: TheCork | March 1, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Somebody's been drinking too much Haterade! Who cares how much the players make? They're all overpaid in the real world! Do you bich like this about the guys on IR collecting paychecks?

Snyder's getting the best talent available, and I commend him for that. Address the O-line and special teams and I think we've really got something here.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 1, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

something tells me this Cutler story has legs...would not be shocked if he is not a Bronco....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 1, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Hold up, learned hand... isn't this whole free agency binge predicated on the belief that 2010 will be an uncapped year, so we can shovel as many cap hits into 2010 as we want?

By that reasoning, we should extend the hell out of J-Tay and give him a massive signing bonus and a bunch of contract years, then cut him immediately after our last game of the 2009 season (by which I mean the Super Bowl, of course) and have the rest of that cap hit come in 2010... since (again) our Brain Trust apparently believes that it simply will not matter what we're paying people in 2010.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 1, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

We don't need a QB! We have Colt Brennan! He is like Kurt Warner-reads quick and delivers the ball where it should go! He is ACCURATE! Better than anyone in the game now including T. Brady

Posted by: KurtShanaman | March 1, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

WE need to rid our selves of the following:

Jason Taylor: He's done. stop trying to hold on to your dream of trading a #2 for him being a good thing Cerrato. Cut your losses.

Thrash: If your on the team because you have good work ethic and study habits, but your physical talents have long since past, your called a coach. See ya...

Jansen: Only on the team because of cap reasons. Please nothing out of you about starting.

Campbell: Trade the dude before he looses what ever value he has now at the end of the season. Another wasted pick. Can't read defenses and can't connect on the long ball.

Betts: A below average version of Portis. Should have drafted Portis instead of him that year ( yes that's the year we made 15 trades back before selecting Ramsey and Betts). Lets take whatever draft pick we can get for him.

C. Rogers: Your on the team, but stop thinking you are good. Learn how to not get beat on EVERY double move and catch the ball- maybe then other teams would actually be interested in "giving their right arm for you". Shut up and get better.

Lets get a quarterback.

Jason Campbell and our #3 for Cutler. (yes I know know one would trade anything for Jason Campbell)

Draft one of the top 4 OTs' at #13. If they are gone, trade back and get DE Michael Johnson and a LB or O lineman

Hail firing Cerrato!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Skin1 | March 1, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

"Stop repeating this restructure talk re Taylor because it doesn't make sense. What would be your suggested cap number for Taylor? After you come to that number, figure how to structure his new deal so that at a minimum he gets upfront the $8M+ he's already due to make this year.

Posted by: learnedhand1"

Only way this is possible is if you add 2-3 years to Jason Taylor's deal. You could renegotiate his 2009 base salary to ~1 million, give him $7.5 million in a signing bonus and prorate it out over 3-4 years. That would drop his 2009 cap figure to somewhere between $2.9 and $3.5 million. That would also mean you're on the hook for another 2-3 years, and you'd have to add money later on in the deal to make it reasonable for Taylor to commit to 2-3 more years.

Of course, you'd also have to get him to agree to it as well. And given his less-than-rosy experience in DC so far, I don't see that as likely.

Posted by: psps23 | March 1, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

+++AH had more sacks by himself (8.5) than Bernard and Canty had combined (7).

Posted by: MrRedskin21+++

This is true. AH averaged a little more than 1/2 sack per game.

But that's just fun with statistics, as is your comparison. The advantage of having two very good rotational players like Canty and Bernard, is it keeps the starters fresh and allows more sacks by Osi, Tuck, Kiwanuka, etc. The defensive line is less likely to wear down as the game goes on, too.

Also, having a 300 pound DE, gives the giants flexibility, playing Canty more against a heavy run opponents, less when a pass rush is needed.

On any given series of downs Haynesworth is better than both those two combined,

If he reports motivated and stays healthy, he will be a force. Less is known about the rest of the line. Will/can the skins sign rotational talent like Monty and Golston? Will Daniels come back and be worth having? Will Taylor stay healthy or even play DE? Is Griffith going to be healthy?

And even with the best of luck on the DL, what about the depleted LB corps?

If the 'skins take a first rate rookie OLB at #13 they could be set, and then the right side of the Oline becomes iffy. Rabach is light and beatable Thomas coming off disc issues, Jansen and Heyer waint' gonna hack it.


Posted by: TheCork | March 1, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

I wasnt suggesting cutler a skin just musing on NFL at large......


LH, is a usual, right. This talk that Taylor will restructure or take a less money is so ridiculous I dismiss instantly all that type it.

We have 2 options with Taylor keep him or cut him. If we cut him he may end up signing a cheaper contract but will be with a legit contender.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 1, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Let me talk you off the ledge Reid:
1. Philip Daniels will be back for near the vet minimum, taking care of DE depth.
2. Pete Kendall will be back for vet minimum to back up both guard spots, and center.
3. Restructuring Taylor will lead to signing Willis from Seattle to be a RT option, but Jansen may surprise us all with one last solid season, don't count him out.
4. Angelo Crowell gets recruited by Fletcher to play for free in this unstoppable D (OK, maybe not free).
5. Maualuga, Smith, Orakpo, Maybin, or Brown will be drafted at 13.

After what they pulled off last week with arguably the worst cap situation in the NFL, who dares doubt these last few pieces?

Is this that far fetched? I think not, put it on the board.

Feel better?

Posted by: skindawgwillie | March 1, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

"Hold up, learned hand... isn't this whole free agency binge predicated on the belief that 2010 will be an uncapped year, so we can shovel as many cap hits into 2010 as we want?"

Nope, it's predicated on the idea that the 4 guys who were restructured this offseason don't get their options picked up after 2010 and come off the books. Add that to Taylor's contract running up ($8.5 million), the dead cap space clearing ($8 million), and Rabach's contract running up ($4 million), and this team is far from the "cap hell" that's so assuredly thrown around up here.

Posted by: psps23 | March 1, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

I Don't know fellas.....I got mix feelings
about the signings. Sure AH will help with the rush, but I have a sick, sick feeling about Jason Taylor. I don't think he have enough in the tank; we need to try to negotiate and lower his contract. This will allow us to sign a veteran OL and a few LB's. I don't know fellas,I just don't know.....

Posted by: joe12341 | March 1, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Skins: "You know jay-taylor we could really use some of your money after just committing $42 million plus to a guy who also plays on the dline. Can you play for less money, you'd really be doing us a big heavy. And even though we though we hardly know eachother and if you were a free agent you'd have your pick of teams...but can you play this year for $3 mil?

Jayson Taylor: "No"

Posted by: chrislarry | March 1, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Cut Jason Taylor.

He is done.

Can anyone tellme why he is on our team?

Don't say it's because he had 11 sacks year before last. that was a product of his system. Remember the guy they HAPPILY replaced him with last year had something like 18+ sacks in that same roll. Well that roll doesn't exist in our D system.

Who is our starting Left D End?

Should have cut J. taylor and signed Canty. What a BLOWN opportunity to wisely spend that 8 mill per. Canty is only 26 and and can play any position on the line at a high level...

Posted by: Skin1 | March 1, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Cut Taylor, sign Canty and Crowel, draft a T at 13, a speed back in the 3rd, and tow LBs late....that would cap possibly the best offseason ever, but won't happen cause Vinny is butt buddies with Jt's agent.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 1, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

"What a BLOWN opportunity to wisely spend that 8 mill per. Canty is only 26 and and can play any position on the line at a high level..."

If by "high level" you mean extremely average, and by "wisely spend that 8 mill per" you mean ensure 2-3 sacks per year for the next 6 years from the starting DE spot, then I wholeheartedly agree with you.

Posted by: psps23 | March 1, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Les Carpenter is an Eagles Fan, but he does not think it affects his objectivity in writing about the Redskins.

Les Carpenter's years behind the keyboard have made his opinions (in his mind) comparable to facts. For example Les Carpenter disputes that the Redskins defense was top 5 this previous season and considers it a part of a "fractured foundation".

Philadelphia is the city of Brotherly Love. Les can't get enough of it. In Les Carpenter's mind The Luries hold all the magical keys on how to how to run a franchise, even though the Eagles have never won a Superbowl and the Redskins have three.

Les Carpenter ingores little things like facts. But he will be served a plate full of facts (with two sides of crow w/sauce) this coming season.

As of the 2008 season, the Eagles have played in two Super Bowls and lost both.


SB XV - Raiders 27, Eagles 10
SB XXXIX - Patriots 24, Eagles 21

Posted by: DownTownClown | March 1, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

If the 'skins take a first rate rookie OLB at #13 they could be set, and then the right side of the Oline becomes iffy. Rabach is light and beatable Thomas coming off disc issues, Jansen and Heyer waint' gonna hack it.


Posted by: TheCork | March 1, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse


Cork, I'm not so sure OLB is the way to go at #13. We could potentially trade ourselves into the 2nd round and grab a quality OLB if someone falls (I've seen some mocks with Lauranitis, Clint Sintim, and Brian Cushing all in the 2nd round). If we got Pete Kendall back at vet minimum to back up the C/G spots it'd buy us a year to draft a C/G in 2010 while we could solidify the RT position with #13.

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 1, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Also, for you Chad Rinehart naysayers out there, check out this glowing scouting report on the dude: http://dc2008draft.seventhmillenniumsportsgear.com/2008_Chad_Rinehart.php

I think we already have our RG in the wings...

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 1, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

And I disagree they have as many holes as they did before the signings. 27 year old Haynesworth replaces 29 year old Evans, 25 year old Hall replaces oft-injured 34 year old Springs. Marcus Washington is a tough loss, bue at 31 years old he has missed 10 games over the past 2 years due to injuries--for all intents and purposes, that's a hold that already existed and hasn't been addressed yet.

Posted by: Alan4

We had Hall on the roster last year. Hall doesn't fill any hole, we simply retained him.

If you want to suggest Washington and Springs were injured too much and therefore overpaid ... won't argue. I agree that they needed to go (Washington more than Springs).

What we did is upgrade talent at 2 spots, starting DT and RG, while losing 3 rotation guys in Springs, Washington and Evans. We upgraded talent, but still have just as many holes to fill.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 1, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Last years CBs:
Hall, Rogers, Springs, Smoot, Tryon

Now:
Hall, Rogers, Smoot, Tryon

Last years OLBs:
Washington, Rocky, Blades, Fincher

Now:
Rocky, Blades, Fincher

There is a real talent difference in these units, and not a lot of depth.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 1, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Just a matter of time before Redskins fans get hit with the recession. Signing Albert for 100 million may be better than the Gilbert deal but in this climate it is a sign of Snyder's continued disconnect with Main Street. Fat Albert will be good for a year but eventually his belly will be content with the huge signing bonus and his performance will dwindle to plain vanilla.

Posted by: jercha | March 1, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Also, for you Chad Rinehart naysayers out there, check out this glowing scouting report on the dude: http://dc2008draft.seventhmillenniumsportsgear.com/2008_Chad_Rinehart.php

I think we already have our RG in the wings...

Posted by: TDawg1

Or you could have watched him on the field in preseason last year getting his head handed to him by other teams backups. I'd say you could judge him by his on the field performance in the regular season, but he never played ... and most games, didn't even dress.

What do we know about Reinhart? Nothing, except he wasn't close last year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Lots of rumors and mock drafts have the Andre Smith, OT from Bama falling to the Skins. If the Skins were to drop down but still remain in the top 20, there is a high chance he will still be there and getting a second or third round pick would be great for LB and DE needs.

Posted by: MGS82 | March 2, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Giggity! That was hilarious ryp

Posted by: AdamCr | March 2, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

As a Giants fan, I laugh when you guys say "The Giants went after Haynesworth and didnt get him". The Giants were not stupid enough to pay that much to one guy! When the price got too high, Reece was smart enough to back away. We got 3 guys for what you paid for 1. Good luck this season trying to keep JC upright when we play you.

BTW, we will still run for 150+ on your d-line!

Posted by: Giantsfan1 | March 1, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse


Why are you in this blog?! You're an idiot!

Posted by: MGS82 | March 2, 2009 12:19 AM | Report abuse

things geting ugly in denver. Mr Marshall, Goodell will see you now...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3944945

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Canty played end in a 3-4. Way different than an End in a 4-3. Jason Taylor has no true position on this team. If you don't understand the diffence in the roll of a D End in a 3-4 vs. a 4-3 then too bad for you... ie. his roll was to hold up two linemen while his end came around and sacked the QB. Seeing that his end piled up double digit sacks, I would Venture to say he fulfilled his roll.

Again, WHAT A WASTE OF 8 MILL ON A 35YR WASHED UP TWEENER. How do you explain that the guy who replaced him (who was cut buy the world champion steelers) had 18+ sacks in his absence???

If you are defending J. Taylor - then you must secretly be Cerrato on this blog trying to justify another one of your moronic moves.

Landry over Adrian Peterson...

C. Rogers over Demarcus Ware and Shawn Merriman...

Yea, ok Cerrato just keep telling yourself Jason Taylor is just another one of your super signings. I guess your THAT much smarter than every other GM in the League!

Posted by: Skin1 | March 2, 2009 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Skin1,

Sorry, I don't put much credibility in a person who critiques Jason Taylor for not having a "true position on this team", then turns around in the same breath and insinuates that Chris Canty, a career 3-4 DE for the worst defense in the division and who has never posted more than 3.5 sacks in a season, would have been a great value signing (at $42 million) for a 4-3 defense who's biggest weakness was rushing the passer.

But continue harping on your ingorant, moronic point.

Posted by: psps23 | March 2, 2009 12:40 AM | Report abuse

this is kinda funny:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnradio/salary/index?athleteId=3939133

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Wow, that made me sad.

Apparently I have to work 827 years (at the grad student rate; 130 at the full professor rate) to make Haynesworth's annual salary. I'm going to go cry myself to sleep now.

And, for the record, F my guidance counselor.

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 2, 2009 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Spread the money around to what?

ALL free agents get overpaid. That's the way the system works.

Beyond the top tier guys like Haynesworth and Dockery, the rest of it is guys teams didn't won't.

A line full of backup players does us no good. Look at our defensive line before Albert to see what I mean.

Posted by: lordtwang | March 2, 2009 12:45 AM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3944555


Should the Skins make a trade for Cutler?

Posted by: leevi98 | March 2, 2009 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Ok, you can take Jason Tayor for his last year in the league. Where are you going to play him again?

I'll take Canty at age 26 who is a prototyipical Left D End in a 4-3 all day long.

Enjoy your one lame year with him - if he can keep upright.

The better move would have been to sign the younger more talented player. If Taylor had anything left, he would not be sucking up a check at Redskin Park. A savy team would have picked him up long before we did. So Cerrato, again, stop thinking you are smarter than all of the REAL GMs' in the league. If you were, we would have a Championship under you. Instead - nothing but a bunch of waisted money.

Posted by: Skin1 | March 2, 2009 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Cut Jason Taylor.

He is done.

Can anyone tellme why he is on our team?

Don't say it's because he had 11 sacks year before last. that was a product of his system. Remember the guy they HAPPILY replaced him with last year had something like 18+ sacks in that same roll. Well that roll doesn't exist in our D system....

Posted by: Skin1 | March 1, 2009 11:21 PM

#1 The guy they "replaced" Taylor with was a linebacker, not an end. Not really a replacement there, it it?

#2 The guy had 17.5 sacks, not 18+

# The guy was a 3 time pro-bowler with the Steelers before he signed with Miami. Not really just some guy off the streets.

# The guy--Joey Porter--had 5.5 sacks the first year he was in Miami, although he played all 16 games. Good thing the Fins didn't give up on him after one mediocre season, eh?

Posted by: Alan4 | March 2, 2009 1:21 AM | Report abuse

"Where are you going to play him again?"

Left Defensive End. The same position he played for the 4th ranked defense last season.

"I'll take Canty at age 26 who is a prototyipical Left D End in a 4-3 all day long."

If by "prototypical Left D End in a 4-3" you mean prototypical DE in the 3-4, and a majority DT in the 4-3, then I'd agree with you.

"The better move would have been to sign the younger more talented player."

And if we were able to sign Julius Peppers, I'd be right with you. Unfortunately, we're talking about Chris Canty.

You can keep pumping up Chris Canty as some kind of wunderkind that's magically been hidden on the Cowboys roster for years without showing an iota of gamebreaking talent, but I'll stick with reality. By the way, it's almost guaranteed the Giants will not start Canty anywhere but DT, the exact same position Albert Haynesworth will play for the Redskins, except with a third of the talent. That is unless you envision the Giants sticking Osi Umenyiora, Justin Tuck, and/or Mathias Kiwanuka on the bench for a 2-3 sack per year player.

I don't care if you don't like Jason Taylor. It makes no difference. Chris Canty at $42 million would have been an awful signing for the Redskins. He would have been an out-of-position, no impact player. He would have played the exact same role that Demetric Evans played last season, only for 8 times the price. But apparently THAT'S what this team needed to get to the next level (note the extreme sarcasm).

Posted by: psps23 | March 2, 2009 1:29 AM | Report abuse

I'm snowed in down here in Blacksburg and Lord of the Rings was on all day...

Here is the result of my cabin fever:

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/5379/vinnygollumcerrato.jpg

Posted by: hokiesmokie | March 2, 2009 2:26 AM | Report abuse

Snyder is the ring? Or Frodo?

I can't figure out the green tendrils at the bottom... is Snyder an Ent? Or is he like Kang and Kodo, in some kind of weird cross-promotion with "The Simpsons"?

I always had Cerrato as the Grima Wormtongue to Snyder's Saruman, but that's just me...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 2, 2009 2:36 AM | Report abuse

Haha well I was using Paint, the poor man's photoshop. After doing Vinny "gollum" cerrato, I just kinda got lazy and decided to put tentacles on Snyder so I cropped on the legs from one of the squidbillies. I should've stuck with the theme and cropped Snyder onto one of those vicious dragon things with two saruman eyes.

Posted by: hokiesmokie | March 2, 2009 2:42 AM | Report abuse

Hehehe... no worries, my hokie friend. You actually invested a few minutes' effort in doing that, which is more than I can say for anything I've ever contributed to the blog.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 2, 2009 2:48 AM | Report abuse

haha either way there is a strange resemblance between Cerrato and Gollum. Vinny likes his free agents raw and wrrrriggling.

Posted by: hokiesmokie | March 2, 2009 2:54 AM | Report abuse

My draft day wish (day 1):

1st round, #13 - Michael Oher or Andre Smith, RT (-OR- sign RT Ray Willis, trade down to late first round and take Duke Robinson or Alex Mack for RG)

Trade into the early 2nd round (with 2010 1st rounder?) and take OLB Clint Sintim (seriously... read about this dude: http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/Clint-Sintim.php)

3rd round and beyond, I don't even care.

Fin.

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 2, 2009 4:12 AM | Report abuse

Stop repeating this restructure talk re Taylor because it doesn't make sense. What would be your suggested cap number for Taylor? After you come to that number, figure how to structure his new deal so that at a minimum he gets upfront the $8M+ he's already due to make this year.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 1, 2009 10:45 PM

LH1,

First off, let me say that you were right and I was way wrong about Haynesworth. You nailed it, and I failed it. So, maybe it's ditto here.

But I see them giving Jason Taylor a new 2 or 3 contract with a $7.5 million signing bonus, first year salary of $1 million, and second and third year salaries of, who knows"? That would drop his cap number this year from $8.5 million to $3.5 million or $4.75 million.

If they don`t do this -- or cut him -- I don`t think they`ve got much more flexibility either in free agency or to sign draft picks. I see them mortgaging the future (restructuring contracts, trading next year`s first for a second this year) to win it all today: Fire all of your guns at once and explode into space. Dan and Vinnie: born to be wild!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 6:24 AM | Report abuse

hokiesmokie

Been there, if you have 12-16 hours to kill TLOTR+ a ton of imbibing is a great way to go.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 2, 2009 7:07 AM | Report abuse

Jon Jansen has given us some great years, but injuries have taken thier toll. Stephon Heyer needs to play full time, he will do good. There are plenty of OL on the FA list, but we need to draft OL this year.

Posted by: jag523 | March 2, 2009 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Jon Jansen for better or worse is on the team this year due to the cap hit it would cause to release him. I hope he does well although I have no reason to believe that.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 2, 2009 7:36 AM | Report abuse

Why does Kurt Warner think he needs 14M a year?

Posted by: bangkokben | March 2, 2009 7:45 AM | Report abuse

It's snowing like crazy here in the DC area, I had a hell of a time getting to work this morning.

It's going to be a pain in the a$$ getting home as well.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Why does Kurt Warner think he needs 14M a year?

Posted by: bangkokben | March 2, 2009 7:45 AM |

Thats so he has more to give to the Church, he is so religious and all I'm sure God told him don't settle for less then 14m.

He is just another greedy athlete, I'm getting sick of everyone acting like this guy is so rightchious.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 7:50 AM | Report abuse

from the last thread :

"I got bored so I put this together...

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/5379/vinnygollumcerrato.jpg

Posted by: hokiesmokie "


that is the single most disturbing image I have ever seen. By far.

I will have nightmares.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 2, 2009 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Why does Kurt Warner think he needs 14M a year?

Posted by: bangkokben | March 2, 2009 7:45 AM | Report abuse

Because he took the Cardinals to the Superbowl. The Cardinals. To the Superbowl.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 2, 2009 7:58 AM | Report abuse

"Washington also needs two to three linebackers and another defensive end. The Redskins are expected to experiment with end Jason Taylor as a linebacker in their 4-3 scheme, which should be interesting."


any truth to this? I seem to remember Blache saying it wouldn't happen last year, has he changed his mind or is this just speculation? I thought we should've at least tried it last year.


I know it's been said, but how darn stubborn was our entire coaching staff last year? Won't let the rookie WR's play, won't give someone else punt return duty, won't try to change anything up at all when we're on an awful 2-6 slide. Ugh!

I don't care who we sign, we need our coaching staff to improve just as much as our players next year!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 2, 2009 8:03 AM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/02/rogers-role-now-is-clear/


Rogers talking about what his role will be next year.


Also, congrats to him on becoming a dad! Hopefully he raises his son to be a better person than that dastardly RedDMV! WORD

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 2, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Peter King has an interesting bit about the Skins, Canty, and the Giants.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/03/01/freeagency/1.html

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

but Washington was fourth overall in defense last season

Why not close the deal there? If you've got a 4th best overall D and a glaring weakness, fix it. I'm not saying this equals a Super Bowl visit, but the Baltimore D route seems to work right well for punching a ticket to the playoffs. Wish Fletcher had some help, and Smoot better play well in nickel (and who is going to play against the slot?), but I'm hopeful this will help make the switch from a stingy to a game changing D.

Posted by: WorstSeat | March 2, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Flound, I'll see your lousy commute, and raise you a foot and 1/2 of snow, that we're expected to get up here.....I'm so done with winter....

te, can't access, can you post the part about Skins/Giants??

scamp, read over the weekend that you flyfish? Nice. I do as well, have an Orvis 5 weight. Don't do it nearly enough, but its still a good time.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 2, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

I seem to remember Blache saying it wouldn't happen last year, has he changed his mind or is this just speculation? I thought we should've at least tried it last year.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 2, 2009 8:03 AM

Blache tried him at LB after he came back from his injury. He moved him around a lot, and said he was pleased with the results. Blache is a big fan of JT, and if he wasn`t, Taylor probably wouldn`t be coming back.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

For Psps23 and all you other "Haynesworth is our Saviour!" folks...from PFT:

ALBERT IS THE MOST POWERFUL MAN IN D.C.
Posted by Mike Florio on March 2, 2009, 8:08 a.m.

Step aside, Barack Obama.

After Friday, the most powerful man in Washington, D.C., isn’t the President of the United States. Instead, it’s the newly-minted defensive tackle of the Washington Redskins.

That’s the practical fallout of the decision to give Albert Haynesworth a seven-year, $100 million contract with $41 million guaranteed.

As one league source observed, “He runs the coach, he runs the team, he runs everything.”

Why? Because, like a top-five draft pick whose obscene contract insulates him as a practical matter from any real consequence for acting like a fool, Haynesworth can do and say whatever he wants in 2009 (and likely beyond) without consequence.

Apart from the team’s limited options when it comes to taking action against Haynesworth, the Redskins now have their own T.O. — a guy whom ownership will choose to enable rather than discipline since any antisocial behavior in which he engages, and for which he is punished by the team, will prompt a chorus of “I told you so.”

And that’s where it gets interesting. As one source with intimate knowledge of Albert’s ways observed, “You don’t know what Albert is gonna do and you can’t tell him what to do.”

Hey, Terrell, do you have any extra popcorn?

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

I have an Orvis 5 weight.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 2, 2009 8:33 AM

This sounds like a moderate cancer. Are you on chemo? Hope you recover from it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Canty - I would have liked him over Taylor this year, but then we would have had $$ wrapped up in him over the next few years, whereas now we have that $$$ off the books to land a FA guard in 2010(Chris Snee, anyone?).

I guess the appeal with Canty was not that he was a gamebreaker, but that he was a young, average to above average position player that would have had us not worrying about that spot for a while.

Unfortunately, now it becomes another need when JT is gone after this year.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 2, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse

te, thanks for the concern, but its actually a fly-rod, for fly-fishing.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 2, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

brown,

How many guys on different teams can you say that about.

AH has never been a problem with his coaches, I have never heard TO type stuff about AH.

Florio dislikes the Skins as well, CP's contract is still worse then AH.

AH gets most of his money in two years then if he is a problem you can cut him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Bean,

The King piece is way long. I tried to cut it up but just got blocked twice. Check it out when you get home, if you`re not to tired after your chemo. Five weight Orvis must be tough on you. ;-)

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

It's very long and just gives a time line for the pursuit of Canty.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

What are the odds we are able to land a starting caliber SLB in the 3rd, if we don't trade up/down (and take RT at #13)?

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 2, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

te, thanks for the concern, but its actually a fly-rod, for fly-fishing.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 2, 2009 8:41 AM

Youre very brave to cast it in these terms, but thats what I`d expect from you. Keep your chin up! Hope you can use your bonus points for the medical fees.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Brown,

What would you have done if you were the GM, just curious.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

You guys up there can handle the snow, we have traffic problems here if we get sprinkles.

Snow around here is a nightmare, people can't drive.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Wassup peeps. Stuck here in Cali, MD under 11 inches of snow. Almost killed myself drivin up from Newport News yesterday, where the wifey and fam is until we relocate. I'm not goin in to work at Pax River NAS 'til the snow stops. Hope every one is playin it safe today in the DC, MD, and VA area. If you got the leave I advise you to take it. JLC sucks, JReid needs to be rescued from his unrestricted cave, Vinny and Dan still need to go, but Cindy B rocks.

Quick thought on brownwood's post.
I'm still trying to be positive on the Haynesworth acquisition. So I will say this.
If Florio thinks coach Blache wouldn't tell Haynesworth where to shove and how to shove it if Haynesworth even took one solitary step out of line then he is smokin' crack.
The one dude I would not mess with on the coaching staff would be Greg. He may be overpayed, BUT he will not be a TO.

Posted by: Predator48 | March 2, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Here is what I don't get. The pats, whom the media loves, sign a 33 yr RB Fred Taylor, and they laud it as a great move. They then trade Cassell and Vrabel to the Chiefs for a 2nd, and a future pick.

They should be getting SKEWERED for these moves.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 2, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

pred, thats a great point. I can't see GBlache taking stuff from ANYONE, regardless of their pay, or position on the team......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 2, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

pred,

Thats the problem he has never been a TO, some of these reporters are idiots.

There's at least one player on most teams who have a contract that can't be cut, so why not do the article about them.

AH has never been a problem, they are acting like the step on the face thing was murder or something.

CP is still the only true crazy contract on this team, and he has some issues with the coaching staff but looks like things are OK now.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

DOC said the only reason he liked the move for the Skins was because of Blache, he said if it was an offensive player he would be against it.

He also said Blache will keep him motivated and use him properly.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

WOW

Haynesworth has a $21 MILLION option bonus in 2010.

IM guessing Snyder is really banking on no cap next year? And that means BEFORE the 2010 season, right? I have to assume that counts against the cap?

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 2, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

beantowngreg: "Here is what I don't get. The pats, whom the media loves, sign a 33 yr RB Fred Taylor, and they laud it as a great move. They then trade Cassell and Vrabel to the Chiefs for a 2nd, and a future pick.
They should be getting SKEWERED for these moves."

They seem to be, mostly by fans and some by the media. The Taylor signing gets little adverse press, but most of the stuff I read out of Boston and the surrounding area (basically the whole Northeast except NY)suggests that Pioli snookered his old club but good.

I'm not sure I agree. Cassel was always Pioli's player, not a Belichick favorite, even with the team's good record this year. And the Pats have some holes to fill for which draft choices will work better than free agents.

Belichick is like Gibbs in that he builds the team to be competitive even if the QB is less than stellar. If Brady is coming back healthy, he'd probably rather pick his own backup, a veteran.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 2, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

'...I seem to remember Blache saying it wouldn't happen last year...'


I'm wondering if Blache and Prince Albert "The Fatman" Haynesworth will get along after #92 plays against the dictates of his scheme.

#92, like J Taylor, and like Lavar Arrington, are the kind of guys who operate best when left to freelance--and create the occasional flub-up--along the way.

Blache's system is responsibility directed, and I'm wondering if the same people luvin' #92 will turn on him--like they did Lavar and J Taylor--when the mistakes he makes start outweighing the occasional sack or stop he'll create.

Someboby asked, "I'd like to know what you would've done if you were GM..."

Given the money dumped into signing Prince Albert, Moe would've brought in a rt capable of starting day one, a slb, and picked up Dre Bly as a fourth corner. This lets me take Orakpo at 13, them take a c/g type, a wlb, and a young dt later in the draft.

But what do I know? It's warm where I am. Other folks are snowing themselves in with dreams that the Prince Al signing was a great thing...when they know it was not.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Some of you guys act as if the guy is going to go on the field sit down and wave at people.

AH seems to have a desire to prove to people he is a great player, so until he proves different I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Cindy - do you guys have details on the Albert contract? Peter King had it in his column today. How do option bonuses work, for us non-capologists?

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 2, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

The other issue that no one is talking about is, Brady just got married, and hasn't been on the field, so how do they know his knee is healthy??

Oh well I guess, I couldn't be happier, hope they go 5-11 next year.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 2, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

The media has been killing Belichick for so long only to watch him have the last laugh. It's to the point now where the media just assumes Cassels not really going to be that good solely based on the fact the Pats took a 2nd rounder for him.

Posted by: withoutdoubt27 | March 2, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Here is what I don't get. The pats, whom the media loves, sign a 33 yr RB Fred Taylor, and they laud it as a great move. They then trade Cassell and Vrabel to the Chiefs for a 2nd, and a future pick.

They should be getting SKEWERED for these moves.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 2, 2009 8:53 AM |

Even before the Pats signed him, everyone was saying that Fred Taylor has a lot to offer for a few more years. Plus the Pats have a great record of finding older players, underpaying them, and getting a few good years out of them.

Cassell/Vrabel is a bit more difficult, but Cassell's been on the market for a few weeks and the Pats have had zero offers. No one wanted him. Because of his tender, the Pats were just barely under the cap and they had to move him. That salary was also deterring teams. So, a high second rounder's a pretty good haul for a guy who'd never started a game before last year. And, it will enable the Pats to trade one of their other second rounders to the 'Skins for the 'Skins 2010 first round pick.

Look, Pats don't get ripped because they have a long history of success. They make good moves and they get the benefit of the doubt. The 'Skins? That's a different story, isn't it?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

mista,

You keep saying AH doesn't fit Blaches system, yet the Titans have a very similiar system to the Skins.

There run defense has been better then the Skins the last two years mostly because of AH.

A DT who is getting double or triple teamed on every play doesn't have much freelance ability.

You said you would have signed a RT to start day one name him please.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

What a well thought out, interesting piece of reporting from PFT via Brownwood. I could have sworn there was an instance of subjectivity in that article, but sure enough, it was all fact.

By the way, nobody on this blog labeled Haynesworth a "savior". Only thing I said was that he was by far the best option in free agency, even factoring in his contract.

But let's see how many more people continue drooling over a career-high 3.5 sack player in Chris Canty for $42 million. That's such a great bargain, I'm surprised he wasn't listed as merchandise at my neighborhood Costco.

Posted by: psps23 | March 2, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

psp,

I know we argued about AH but now that he is here, I have started looking at the positives.

He will make a huge difference on this defense.

London Fletcher will get that pro bowl this year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Brown,

What would you have done if you were the GM, just curious.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 8:47 AM

First of all, we should all thank God I'm not the GM because unlike Vinny and Danny, I can admit what I don't know. That said, just because I don't know how to be a quality GM doesn't mean I can't spot what a lousy GM looks like.

First of all, I wouldn't have come within 3 city blocks of Haynesworth. Even if there weren't serious question marks surrounding him (work ethic, attitude, injury history, etc.) I would have put that money toward fixing the BIGGEST need on the team and that's O-line help. For the same money thrown at Haynesworth, you could have signed guys like Kemoeatu from Pittsburgh, Dock and Jason Brown. That's a solid interior line for the next 5 years or so. I'm not a fan of Canty (or any other a$$hat who wears a star on his helmet), but a 2nd tier guy like Rocky Bernard would at least help the D-line rotation. Most mock drafts have the Skins taking Orakpo at 13...I think that's a good pick. Pass rusher with size, maybe a solid guy for the next 7-10 years if you're lucky.

So basically I would have gone low cost/high reward...especially since there are a laundry list of needs for this already mediocre team. Can you REALLY say that the Redskins are a better overall team (OVERALL TEAM...not just defense) with Haynesworth?

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

If getting Cutler is a possibility-then trade half the team to get him-if that's what it takes. Campbell will never get us to a Superbowl.

Posted by: tommy11599 | March 2, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

So basically I would have gone low cost/high reward...especially since there are a laundry list of needs for this already mediocre team. Can you REALLY say that the Redskins are a better overall team (OVERALL TEAM...not just defense) with Haynesworth?

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2009 9:25 AM |

Thanks for the post and your opinions, I can see your point.

I do think the team is better, overall because the offense will improve just from experience.

The O-Line is better today then it was 5 days ago.

I would get a RT in the draft myself but Orapko could be the pick, and they can play Heyer at RT he did very well when he played last year.

I at least like the fact that you actually have reasoning behind your comments, unlike some other haters on here.

I'm not saying you are a hater, because you can actually admit when they make a good move.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

If getting Cutler is a possibility-then trade half the team to get him-if that's what it takes. Campbell will never get us to a Superbowl.

Posted by: tommy11599 | March 2, 2009 9:34 AM |

Cutler is not that good and don't give me he made the PB, he threw over a 100 more times then JC last year.

His numbers were inflated because of the amount of Att. he had, he throws a ton of interceptions as well.

If he is so great then why are the Broncos getting rid of him, do they have a better option at QB.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

"Can you REALLY say that the Redskins are a better overall team (OVERALL TEAM...not just defense) with Haynesworth?

Posted by: brownwood26"

Improving one area of the team means you've improved the overall team as well, as long as other areas weren't weakened. The only player weakened by the signing of Haynesworth is Demetric Evans, and I won't be shedding any tears anytime soon for him. Signing Haynesworth did not affect the ability to re-sign Deangelo Hall, nor did it affect the ability to sign Derrick Dockery, who also upgraded an area of huge need.

And the offseason isn't done. You say you'd take Orakpo, and I'll say I'd take any one of the top 4 OTs. Replacing Kendall with Dockery and Jansen with Andre Smith immediately boosts this offensive line back to the upper echelon. That leaves Randy Thomas and Chad Rinehart battling it out for the last guard spot, and regardless of who wins out, that's a pretty good line. And that's not including the potential impacts of the 3rd, 5th, and 6th round selections.

People can complain all they want about the signings, but the reality is that the Redskins significantly upgraded their defensive line, upgraded their offensive line, set the future of their secondary for at least the next 2 years (and hopefully beyond if they opt to re-sign Rogers within that timeframe), didn't add anybody over the age of 29, and did it without sacrificing any draft picks. So far, Vinny has loaded the bases this offseason, and if he hits a home run in the draft...you know the end of the analogy. This has potential to be the best Redskins offseason in a long, long time.

Posted by: psps23 | March 2, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the post and your opinions, I can see your point.

I do think the team is better, overall because the offense will improve just from experience.

The O-Line is better today then it was 5 days ago.

I would get a RT in the draft myself but Orapko could be the pick, and they can play Heyer at RT he did very well when he played last year.

I at least like the fact that you actually have reasoning behind your comments, unlike some other haters on here.

I'm not saying you are a hater, because you can actually admit when they make a good move.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 9:34 AM

Thanks, Flouder. You seem to have your head on straight as it relates to the moves being made here. I don't mind having a difference of opinion so long as no one is screaming "YOU'RE AN IDIOT" because I don't agree with them.

The only reason I would go DE with the 1st pick is because I think you can still get a pretty good RT in the 3rd round. But it's hard to get excited about the draft when Vinny is still the guy making the picks...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

I'm still hoping for a late FA signing maybe at LB, there have got to be some guys we could get on the cheap.

Even if it is a fill in player until next year when we can draft or pickup someone in FA.

They will have to replace LF within the next couple of years as well.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

People can complain all they want about the signings, but the reality is that the Redskins significantly upgraded their defensive line, upgraded their offensive line, set the future of their secondary for at least the next 2 years (and hopefully beyond if they opt to re-sign Rogers within that timeframe), didn't add anybody over the age of 29, and did it without sacrificing any draft picks. So far, Vinny has loaded the bases this offseason, and if he hits a home run in the draft...you know the end of the analogy. This has potential to be the best Redskins offseason in a long, long time.

Posted by: psps23 | March 2, 2009 9:38 AM

Gotta disagree, my friend. First of all, I don't buy that Andre Smith will be a good pro. We all joked Fred Davis for sleeping in during mini-camp...Andre Smith can't even show up for the damn combine! If a guy's stock is falling it's not because people want the Skins to get a good lineman, it's because people don't want to risk this guy becoming a turd with a 1st round pick.

Secondly, what level of play do you think is worth $100 million? I'm not sure there's ANY active defensive player I would give that money to...maybe Patrick Willis in SF but no one outside of that even enters the coversation in my book. This is the same deal as Juwan Howard years ago--a guy has a great breakout season in a contract year, cashes in big and struggles to live up to the expectations. I know that Haynesworth was far more dominant in '08 than Juwan was in '95, but unless Haynesworth gets 20 sacks a year and changes the way the DT position is played, he's not worth that investment.

And I don't believe this team is any better right now than it was after the SF game. As Dallas has shown, it doesn't matter how much talent you have on the field, if you don't have the right GM calling the shots and don't have the right coach developing your players, YOU WON'T WIN. PERIOD.

Just think of it this way: I would put the current Redskins offensive line against the rag-tag group of castoffs they have in Pittsburgh. I would put the Redskins offensive talent up against Pittsburgh's any day. So why did the Redskins suck on offense and the Steelers win it all?

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

It's funny how Ray Lewis is not even getting a bite in FA's.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Vic Carucci has his top five free agent bargains. If it were up to me, I`d cut Jason Taylor and sign these two guys:

2. Demetric Evans, DE, Washington Redskins: Teams seeking a defensive end to be part of a 4-3 line rotation should give strong consideration to signing Evans. He might not be as dynamic as other players at his position, but his presence is consistently felt as both a pass rusher and run stopper. Evans also has the versatility to play inside in obvious pass-rush situations.

4. Kevin Burnett, OLB, Dallas Cowboys: Although he was a backup last season, he actually saw a good deal of playing time in nickel situations and handled himself well. As the year progressed, he made his mark in Wade Phillips' defense as an effective blitzer. Burnett enters the open market in search of a starting role, something he couldn't get in Dallas. Judging by the steady improvement he showed, another team could very well be catching him on the rise.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Do we have enough $$$ to pay Demetric if he decides to come back?

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 2, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Blache may tout the team's top five defensive ranking, but I think hat was a mirage. The offense was so bad last year -- especially with Campbell taking forever to make a decision and his exaggerated delivery -- opponents didn't need to be aggressive when their offense was on the field.

When HB Blades stepped in the defense crumbled. He was way too slow and too small to be anything more than a special teamer. Considering the depth of problems on offense, and the lack of available cash and draft picks to address them, the Skins ought to focus on defense in the draft. That's the squad that will be on the field the most next season, so addressing those areas (DE, OLB and corner depth) should take precedence. If one of those top three linebackers is available, they should grab him.

Posted by: tkoho | March 2, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Seems like the Eagles have been asleep at the switch. So far they've lost, Dawk, Considine, Sheppherd, and another player from the secondard,Correll Buckhalter, as well as Tra Thomas, and Jon Runyan being free agents. They've brought in the Andrews kid from Cincy, who is recovering from an ACL tear suffered the last game of the season. I can't see McNabb being happy with all thats gone on....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 2, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Blache may tout the team's top five defensive ranking, but I think hat was a mirage. The offense was so bad last year -- especially with Campbell taking forever to make a decision and his exaggerated delivery -- opponents didn't need to be aggressive when their offense was on the field.

Posted by: tkoho | March 2, 2009 9:57 AM

You`re way wrong. The defense was top three or four when the team was 6-2. When the offense fell off, the D spent more time on the field and they dropped, but only a bit.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

"As Dallas has shown, it doesn't matter how much talent you have on the field, if you don't have the right GM calling the shots and don't have the right coach developing your players, YOU WON'T WIN."

I don't disagree with you there. However, not having the "right" GM or not having the "right" coach does not and should not prevent the team from adding talent to the roster. You don't get better by lowering the overall talent level of your team, unless it's addition by subtraction (which is pretty rare).

You're looking at the $100 million figure and getting worked up because that's not a number you see often with regards to contracts. Don't look at it that way. Look at it as "Haynesworth makes $14 million per season", which just happens to be the franchise number for defensive ends (so not the most expensive yearly salary), and also happens to be what Chris Canty and Jason Brown make combined.

Now let me put it to you this way; Chris Canty and Jason Brown were two of the most sought after FAs this offseason. If the Titans had Haynesworth under contract and another team offered them a straight up deal for Canty and Brown, would the Titans even blink an eye? No shot. They would chuckle, thank the other team for their practical joke, then hang up the phone. Every other team in the league would say the same thing. Those two combined don't compare.

Look, prior to the offseason, I said it was in the team's best interest to stay out of the FA market completely and focus on clearing the salary cap. Clearly that never crossed the minds of Snyder and Cerrato. But if the Skins were bent on making an offseason FA splash, then going after THE premier free agent on the market, and as some analysts argue, the premier free agent since Reggie White hit the market, was by far the best option.

Posted by: psps23 | March 2, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Right tackle yes. But the Skins simply cannot go another season with no credible wide receiver except for Moss. Randle-El has no business starting. That leaves us with last year's flops in the draft proving themselves. I'd give Marvin Harrison a go at the right price, he's clearly better than whatever we have at the number two slot right now and provides veteran depth even if he's over his prime.

Posted by: 4472jon | March 2, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

My mistake. Haynesworth costs just over 14 mill per season, the franchise number for DEs is $17 million (what Peppers was tendered at). It's really not as "astronomical" as the media makes it sound, just the length of the contract that makes it seem that way.

Posted by: psps23 | March 2, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

tkoho: "When HB Blades stepped in the defense crumbled. He was way too slow and too small to be anything more than a special teamer. Considering the depth of problems on offense, and the lack of available cash and draft picks to address them, the Skins ought to focus on defense in the draft."

I thought Blades played well and showed growth. He's not ready to replace London, but he might well be in another year. That was a good draft pick.

As far as focus in the draft, I'm a believer in spreading picks around various areas of the team. All the modern NFL clubs are thin in some places. If you focus too much on one area, you risk falling behind in another. For instance, if you draft 3 receivers in the second round...

Posted by: Samson151 | March 2, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

People in Philly are pissed about letting Dawkins go bean. The Broncos essentially gave him a 2 year deal for 9 million 7.5 guaranteed. The Eagles offered him 2 for 5 and were too cheap to make up the difference. That's how they do business. Runyan just had microfracture surgery and is out for several months, with his age who knows how he will come back. Shepherd was the 4th CB for them last year and they got 2 picks out of the Jets for him. They have 2 picks in the first round so will be interesting to see how they use those. Hopefully McNabb will be angry and request a trade.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 2, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

flounder21

Free Agent rt you ask?:

Floyd Womack
Mark Tauscher

Or

Maybe after bringing in Dockery, you get cute and move Samuels to rt, draft Oher/Smith to play lt, use Rhino as a back up at the g spot, use Heyer as a back up to the tackle spots. Jansen backs up Rabach.

Or you just give the rt spot to Heyer, hold your nose, and hope it all works out well.

If you really wanted a big run-stuffing dt, work to draft Raji and plug him in.

The Redskins defense is a big-name, high paid collection of guys with a lot of guaranteed money. Football players and guaranteed money go together like sin and preachers and the odd mix is what the FO seems to prefer.

I'll put your Prince Albert endorsement down in the memory bank for safe keeping. It's in the same place where some folk put their ringing endorsement of the Taylor trade they now regret.

Come next Fall, we'll check on the deposit to see if the support is still there when the skins can't score or run to the right well.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

pos, I'm hoping that the eagles are gonna panic and want to move up, and that A. Smith falls to 13. I keep replaying in my mind that the skins can move back and end up with Robinson, and Loadholt.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 2, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

mista,

Tauscher is 32 and coming off an injury, that would not be an upgrade.

Womack is a 31 year old Guard not a T.

Raji will be a top 10 pick no questions asked he is the best DT in the draft, no way the Skins could get him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Now let me put it to you this way; Chris Canty and Jason Brown were two of the most sought after FAs this offseason. If the Titans had Haynesworth under contract and another team offered them a straight up deal for Canty and Brown, would the Titans even blink an eye? No shot. They would chuckle, thank the other team for their practical joke, then hang up the phone. Every other team in the league would say the same thing. Those two combined don't compare.

Posted by: psps23 | March 2, 2009 10:10 AM

Bad comparison...I wouldn't give up Haynesworth for those guys either if he's already on the team and playing like he did in '08. I'm just 1) not convinced the Skins are going to get that '08 production in '09 and beyond and 2) absolutely of the belief that filling more holes is more important with filling one hole with "the premier free agent since Reggie White hit the market".

And I'm fully aware that Haynesworth is unlikely to see the full $100 million figure, so that's not what's swaying me this way. This team already has enough albatross contracts--adding another doesn't help this team long term, not when you have this many holes. Nobody cares that you have a lot of big name talent on the front lines when you're backing them up with undrafted street FAs. That's been the biggest problem here, not a lack of talent but a lack of depth. That problem wasn't solved, but exacerbated by the signing of Haynesworth.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

"I'm just 1) not convinced the Skins are going to get that '08 production in '09 and beyond"

Just thinking crazy, but how about if we actually let him play some football first, THEN, see if he's worth it?? What if, and I'm gonna get crazy here, but what if we let AH play a year of football with the Redskins, and then come back in March of 2010, and talk about if it was worth it getting him??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 2, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Hey Brownwood -- good point re: PGH's offensive line last year. It was hideously bad, in fact most of the season not only was Rothlisberger running for his life, but they couldn't run the ball.

The got to, and won, the SB based on defense. Which the Redskins just hugely improved. The secondary was maybe the best in football last year, and now that they've got AH they could very well rival PGH as the best in the league.

Spent way too much time this weekend watching NFL Network. Adam Shefter should stick to reporting deals as opposed to critiquing them. And while I respect Lombardi's time in the league, I don't think that Chris Canty is all that, for the reasons that PSp23 just listed. He was a run stuffer on a defense that gave up 4.2 yards/carry (PGH gave up 3.3, WAS 3.8, NYG 4.0). Dallas was 20th in PPG, and was by far the weakest defense in the NFC East, and probably the second most over-rated in the entire league.

And Rocky Bernard? Hhe was a LOT better than he was 2 previous years, almost doubling his tackles. Yet, strangely, SEA's defense was pathetic, esp. considering they played 1/4 of the schedule against SFO and STL.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 2, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth jerseys are not available for pre-order -- ship in 3-4 weeks:

http://shop.redskins.com/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductSKUID=127420

If peeps buy enough of these, we can raise money to bring in Willis at RT and a LB. I know I just ordered six of them and I dont even like the Haynesworth deal. Rest of you need to put your money where your mouth -- or keyboard -- is.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Adam Schefter is reporting that the Skins will trade their #13 pick for Jay Cutler.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edaJP3Lp0Gg

Posted by: isnadd | March 2, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

And I'm fully aware that Haynesworth is unlikely to see the full $100 million figure,

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2009 10:35 AM

Even if he does, most of it will be at the end of the contract. By then, inflation will be so high that we`ll all be making two or three million a year, but still not have enough to pay our mortgages.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

"their opponents didn't need to be aggressive when their offense was on the field."

What kind of idiocy is this statement? Congenital, or developmental? Discuss.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 2, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Good call, Greg. I guess I just get riled up that some folks actually believe that this signing is a slam dunk, no brainer and this is soooo far from it that I just keep chasing my tail with this argument. Guess I'm just punch drunk after all the other failed signings...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Adam Schefter is reporting that the Skins will trade their #13 pick for Jay Cutler.

Posted by: isnadd | March 2, 2009 10:47 AM

This isnt credible. Denver always gets way more from us than just one pick.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

"That's been the biggest problem here, not a lack of talent but a lack of depth. That problem wasn't solved, but exacerbated by the signing of Haynesworth.

Posted by: brownwood26"

And that's where you and I disagree. Two or three years ago, sure, I'd be with you. But not now.

The skins now have Big Al paired with Cornelius Griffin, backed up by Kedrick Golston and Anthony Montgomery (both former starters), and at the 5th spot, Lorenzo Alexander.

On the offensive line, agreed as the biggest weakness, the team has 3 tackles with starting experience. Adding a 4th mediocre tackle does nothing to improve that spot. All it does is ensure that if 2 of them go down, we have a 4th player that can step in and play at the same mediocre level. The interior line has less depth, agreed, but it's still not being backed up by a UFA. It's backed up by a 3rd round draft pick. And again, adding another mediocre talent sure would provide an extra layer of depth, but it's not depth that's the problem, it's the front line.

This team has plenty of depth to go around. Especially if it adds a player that demotes a prospective starter to the backup slot (like Jansen or Thomas). The only position on the team that could use a depth infusion is LB, but that position needs a frontline starter as well. For this team, it absolutely is about quality over quantity.

Posted by: psps23 | March 2, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

isnadd,

Stop messing around, I can no longer get to youtube at work, but even I know that is probably a link do that dumb a$$ song by Rick Astley.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

psps23: "The skins now have Big Al paired with Cornelius Griffin, backed up by Kedrick Golston and Anthony Montgomery (both former starters), and at the 5th spot, Lorenzo Alexander."

Yes, and that makes about as deep as anybody in the league, even the Giants, on the interior line. They'll rotate anyway, which lessens the accrued damage. And the hope is that Al's presence greatly strengthens the penetration of the ends.

Good analysis, psps.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 2, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Yesterday I had a great D.C. type day in Austin - first off, my son gave me a belated Christmas gift - my first 'Skins jersey - Chris Cooley (I've got tons of t-shirts and sweatshirts, just not a jersey)

And then, to discover that there is a 5 Guys in Austin, and to find out that it is just as good as everyone has said, well - just a wonderful day.

Oh yeah, and it was 65 degrees without a cloud in the sky in Austin yesterday.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 2, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Look, I think the number 1 gamble the Skins are taking this year is on the 2 WR and TE they picked last year.

If they don't get production, esp. the WR, they are in a lot of trouble. They can't afford to land a top FA at that spot, and Moss cannot do it by himself.

If DEN trades Cutler, maybe they draft a QB and sign Warner? Why would they bring in a FA safety who's got 2 years left if they're going to blow up the team? I'm confused.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 2, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

"Just thinking crazy, but how about if we actually let him play some football first, THEN, see if he's worth it??"

Nah, we like to rate the movie before we see it. Eliminates the bias imposed by an actual experience of reality.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 2, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

john,

5 guys is the sh!t!!!!

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

WHO’S THE GREATER POET?

“I can hear the distant thunder

Of a million unheard souls

Of a million unheard souls

Watch each one reach for creature comfort

For the filling of their holes.”


--Peter Gabriel


“With all the headline-grabbing
The Redskins did in re-signing Hall,
Bringing back Dockery
a Washington draft pick
and four-year starter with the team,
and four-year starter with the team
and luring Pro Bowl defensive tackle
Albert Haynesworth from Tennessee
by making him the game's
highest-paid defensive player,
the Redskins still have
holes to fill,
holes to fill
most notably along the offensive line.”
—Jason Reid

Posted by: TheCork | March 2, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

"Oh yeah, and it was 65 degrees without a cloud in the sky in Austin yesterday"

I hope you find out that Corky, and sports guru are somehow related to you.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 2, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Flound, try "Ray's Hell Burgers". Incredible, better than 5 Guys or Good Eats

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 2, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

"Flound, try "Ray's Hell Burgers". Incredible, better than 5 Guys or Good Eats

Posted by: dpc2003

Best burger I've ever had was at Ray's the Classics in Silver Spring. I definitely need to try Ray's Hell Burgers.

Getting hungry...

Posted by: psps23 | March 2, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Flound, try "Ray's Hell Burgers". Incredible, better than 5 Guys or Good Eats

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 2, 2009 11:04 AM

I still say to stick with Good Guys on Wisconsin Avenue for a special meal.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

This team has plenty of depth to go around. Especially if it adds a player that demotes a prospective starter to the backup slot (like Jansen or Thomas). The only position on the team that could use a depth infusion is LB, but that position needs a frontline starter as well. For this team, it absolutely is about quality over quantity.

Posted by: psps23 | March 2, 2009 10:51 AM

Wow...saying the Redskins have quality depth at ANY position at this point is a stretch, but agree to disagree. The 2009 season will tell us all we need to know abou this team and this signing. Haynesworth makes me look forward to the Redskins squad on Madden 2010...not the real deal in 2009.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Flound, try "Ray's Hell Burgers". Incredible, better than 5 Guys or Good Eats

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 2, 2009 11:04 AM |

Were is it I love me a good burger!!!

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

holes to fill,
holes to fill
most notably along the offensive line.”
—Jason Reid

Posted by: TheCork | March 2, 2009 11:03 AM |

Hello Corky,

I think the holes can be filled through the draft, what do you think?

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

"Seems like the Eagles have been asleep at the switch. So far they've lost, Dawk, Considine, Sheppherd, and another player from the secondard,Correll Buckhalter."

Hey bean, I wouldn't necessarily consider Considine a loss, dude is like Reed Doughty's less talented older brother.

Posted by: Predator48 | March 2, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Dude, Ray's Hell-Burgers is 10 oz of grilled perfection, enough to induce a meat coma. The place is jammed at lunchtime, they say they open at noon but that's a lie, by noon the line is out the door.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 2, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

+++BTW, for those who only get their info from the Redskins "Insider", the Skins still have $3.8 million in cap room after doing the deals for Haynesworth, Dock, and Hall. Don't believe all the JLC et al. hype about being against the cap. Give me a break.

Posted by: Ehren+++

I get all MY objective info from Redskins.com, (Larry Michaels, prop.) the website that was first to break the story that fans can now pre-order their Albert Haynesworth Redskins Jerseys with Demetric Evans old number on it.

I also keep up to date on what a stupid jerkface untalented dweeb JLC is from Redskins.com writers who post here.

Flounder, MrRedskin21, my wife, and that punk kid who won't get off my lawn keep me up to date on my personal shortcomings.

Posted by: TheCork | March 2, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

By the way, I finally make it into work sliding around the roads in my Honda Accord....only to find out that the other SOB's from the office took the day off. They all drive 4x4s and SUV's.

Somehow I feel cheated.

Posted by: Predator48 | March 2, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

oops - sorry about the weather comment - actually, I do kind of miss the craziness of Washington snow days.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 2, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

++ ...Even Cork can do better with his hate, always finding a new way to say the same thing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator +++


Back atcha, Big Guy. I get choked up when you turn all soft and mushy on me like that. When shall we meet at Tiffany's to pick out patterns?

Posted by: TheCork | March 2, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Where do we need depth?

The only place I would say we need depth is maybe at WR or RB.

The rest of the positions, we need STARTERS, not depth.

We have PLENTY of career backups on the O and D lines. Heyer, Lorenzo, Monty, Gholston, Rhino, Clark, Blades, Campbell, etc. etc. These guys are all good DEPTH guys, but they're not 16 game NFL starters.

We need IMPACT STARTERS at a few more positions.... this is why I was arguing for trading UP in the draft for our 3 late round picks.

By the start of 2010, we need STARTERS at:

RT (likely #13 or a trade down this year)
RG (likely thru FA in 2010)
C (2010 draft pick)
LB/DEs (remainder of picks next 2 drafts).

If we can solve those problems the next 2 years, we should be a pretty good team in 2010.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 2, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

The skins problem last year was the offense could not score any points-the defense did a pretty good job-ranked 4th! We should have upgraded the offensive line-signing Jordan Gross-and then go after T.J. Houshmandzadeh. One of the reasons for poor offense was the WR position and I think Devin Thomas is a bust and Kelly will never be healthy. The skins only have one good wr-Santana Moss!

Posted by: Terptime | March 2, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

+++Also, for you Chad Rinehart naysayers out there, check out this glowing scouting report on the dude: http://dc2008draft.seventhmillenniumsportsgear.com/2008_Chad_Rinehart.php

I think we already have our RG in the wings...

Posted by: TDawg1 | +++


You actually read that report, Dawg? I got a shiny new quarter says was written before LAST SEASON began, y'know back when people were aglow over Thomas and Kelly and Davis and Tryon, too.

I HOPE it's right. Wasted pick, otherwise.

Posted by: TheCork | March 2, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

The skins problem last year was the offense could not score any points-the defense did a pretty good job-ranked 4th! We should have upgraded the offensive line-signing Jordan Gross-and then go after T.J. Houshmandzadeh. One of the reasons for poor offense was the WR position and I think Devin Thomas is a bust and Kelly will never be healthy. The skins only have one good wr-Santana Moss!

Posted by: Terptime | March 2, 2009 11:32 AM |

You need to go back and watch the Terps lose.

Jordan Gross was signed befor FA's even started.

TJ, thats all we need is another reciever, we have young WR's lets give them a chance to get on the field before we say they are busts.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

The skins problem last year was the offense could not score any points-the defense did a pretty good job-ranked 4th! We should have upgraded the offensive line-signing Jordan Gross-and then go after T.J. Houshmandzadeh. One of the reasons for poor offense was the WR position and I think Devin Thomas is a bust and Kelly will never be healthy. The skins only have one good wr-Santana Moss!

Posted by: Terptime | March 2, 2009 11:32 AM |

While I agree that the offense needs more help than the defense, I think you missed diagnosed the problem badly. First of Gross was never available, he was resigned before FA even started. Willis is the only young tackle on the market, and I don't know how much of an upgrade he would be over Heyer. Our line is the issue, but the only place we could upgrade in FA was the interior of the line, which we did, and now we can get our Tackle in the draft. We don't need more receivers, or tight ends, the only thing we need are Olineman and a speed back to compliment CP. WRs are a byproduct of the time the QB has. Any NFL receiver can get open if they have 5 seconds to run a route, we get the tackle in the draft and we're good to go, then its on Zorn and JC.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 2, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 2, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Does Ray's the Classic do take out?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 2, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

a punter would be great to get and another offensives tackle to and an wide that can catch the ball when cover. I love the 3 signing. I can call them the mighty mighty Washington Skin again

Posted by: lostdogrwd1011 | March 2, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Glad you mentioned LBs Jason. This team is in DIRE need of them. In fact, there isn't another nfl team with a weaker linebacking staff top to bottom.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 2, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Goodness sakes!! Let's just hold tight before we declare the end of the world is coming. We won't know if Fat Al is worth all the money until after at least 2 seasons. Also, Stephon Heyer is more than serviceable - not every lineman can be an all-pro.

Note to the writer - if they would have tried to fill all their needs w/ their whopping 14 mil. in cap space - you would have said they overpaid or chose the wrong ones. Why don't you and the other Jason go write for the Baltimore Sun or the sporting franchise of your liking.

Posted by: tiger009 | March 2, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

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