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Posted at 10:16 PM ET, 12/26/2010

Redskins vs. Giants Week 17 kickoff moved back to 4:15 p.m.

By Rick Maese

The Redskins' season finale against the visiting New York Giants, originally scheduled for 1 p.m. next Sunday, has been moved back and will now kick off at 4:15 p.m.

At 6-9, the Redskins are mathematically eliminated from playoff contention, but the Giants, who enter next week's game with 9-6 record, are still in the hunt.

The Redskins returned to Washington on Sunday night and because of their 20-17 overtime win over the Jaguars, most players will be off Monday and will report to Redskins Park on Wednesday morning to begin preparations for the Giants.

By Rick Maese  | December 26, 2010; 10:16 PM ET
Categories:  NFC East  
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Comments

Season finale?

Wow, that was quick.

Bring on the off season, baby!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 26, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Chia, I noticed you plagarized a little in the last thread.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

"Rex is the answer to who's the bridge to the QB of the future.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse"

Agreed. He can be Mike Shanahan's version of Mark Brunell. Rex won't take us to the SB, but he runs the offense well enough that he won't hinder the development of other players on offense. You can do much, much worse than what Grossman has shown in the last two weeks.

Posted by: psps23 | December 26, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | December 26, 2010 10:13 PM

So my fellow Terp has done nothing but suck on lemons for the last 8 weeks and post his bitterness for us all to read.

Did Rex do anything right? After all we did win the game with more than 1/2 of our defensive starters out. And for the 2nd week we saw execution in the red zone which is another reason McNabb is on the bench.

Oh and 23 of 39 is 59% and take away the non INT and you have a QB with a rating in the 80's..

Rex is the answer to who's the bridge to the QB of the future.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 10:27 PM

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

When do we get to meet our esteemed "QB of the future?"

and I do like the idea of this Rex Grossman you speak of as the turnover prone bridge that gets us there.

Too soon to start polishing the fine crystal?

O, snap!

Can't hardly wait!


Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 26, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

This ain't no term paper scamp.

A little?

Plagarized?

On a friggin blog?

All righty there, Prof.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 26, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

This ain't no term paper scamp.

A little?

Plagarized?

On a friggin blog?

All righty there, Prof.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 26, 2010 10:40 PM |

Typically when people here post something that someone else wrote they note the original poster. To do otherwise and take credit for an idea that wasn't your own is pretty pathetic. After all, this is a blog.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know where to see the rest of the Week 17 schedule after the "flex" moves? I'm hoping that this means that the Redskins and Ravens won't clash again...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | December 26, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

I guess I shoulda considered who I was talking to. Already pretty pathetic. I mean, here's a guy that has to hide behind multiple screen names. Yep, pathetic.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

F Dallas.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | December 26, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

According to Peter King's twitter: "The NBC Sunday night game next week is St. Louis at Seattle."

http://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/19231484808269824

Wow, what a crappy way to end the regular season...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | December 26, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Wow, what a crappy way to end the regular season...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | December 26, 2010 10:55 PM

Why it's for the NFC West divison? If St. Louis wins we have an 8-8 divison champ and if Seattle wins...I don't know because they would both be tied at 7-9 with a series split.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Ok the answer is that it's essentially a play in game. So winner wins the division and gets a home playoff game.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Ah geez, scamp. Here's a grenade right backatcha:

Competing for biggest jerk on the internet, are ya?

Congrats, I suppose fat boy. Take your false assumptions back to Ohio, why don't ya?

Oh and by the by, what happened to TheScamp75?

HA!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 26, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

I don't hide behind mine socko. It was obvious that I was me. You on the other hand...you have a rascist handle, a pedophiliac handle, a gay handle, and a rascist female handle. And those are the ones that I can pick out.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

I mean, really Scott Campbell.

You go off on folks up here more than Clint Eastwood in Dirty Harry.

What is your particular brand of problem, other than being a judgmental, self righteous slob? Fitting right in?

eh?

You're wrong man, flat out.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 26, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

F the Giants. How I cherish the thought that this particular Skins team, riding high at 6-9, might prevent the Giants from getting into the playoffs.

It's spoiler time, people.

And again, F the effing Giants.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 26, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

*#&@ing &#*@ it!

That BS win just cost us about 5 spots in the draft.
If you're gonna win a meaningless game, at least do it against Dallas or NY!!

GEEZ I hate this time of year in the NFL.
I can't even enjoy a Redskins win since I realize it's really a long term loss for us.

But, as I've said all year, at least we're not Dallas! Something to be thankful for this holiday season.

Makes me wonder, though: does a true fan hope the Redskins play respectably but lose so that we get better draft positions... or does a true fan just always want the Redskins to win even if a meaningless win this year results in less favorable odds for next year?

Posted by: jgarrisn | December 26, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Wow, what a crappy way to end the regular season...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | December 26, 2010 10:55 PM

Why it's for the NFC West divison?

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 11:01 PM

The NFC West is crappy.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | December 26, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

And as far as all the false assumptions you make about me and what I'm all about...

and coming from the biggest homophobe jag off up here, one with a conflated sense of self importance.

now that's just straight silly fat boy.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 26, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Oh I don't think so chia. It's been proven up here time and again how you are so self conscious and cowardly that you have to hide behind multiple handles. You can try to deny it as much as you like but you're not fooling anyone. Call me names all you like but coming from you, well, I'm not insulted in the least. Once you feel comfortable enough to just be yourself on a blog of all things then maybe something you have to say will matter to someone.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see someone calculate the average age of our 22 starters at the beginning of the season, versus the average age of our 22 starters at the end of the season...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | December 26, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Ooooh fatboy. A 163 lb man is a fatboy...good one. Never been scared of homo's either...just don't agree with guys like you smokin' pole.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

or does a true fan just always want the Redskins to win even if a meaningless win this year results in less favorable odds for next year?

Posted by: jgarrisn

Coach Edwards taught us that you play to win the game. 6-9 sounds a hell of a lot better than 5-10. F the Jags. We won. It felt good.

Posted by: swowra | December 26, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

shoot me an email @ chchchchchia@gmail.com, Scott.

Maybe we can become acquainted?

And what exactly has been "proven?"

Define proof.

Show me you're not the complete idiot you're now pretending to be.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 26, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse


Wow, what a crappy way to end the regular season...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | December 26, 2010 10:55 PM

Why it's for the NFC West divison?

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 11:01 PM

The NFC West is crappy.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | December 26, 2010 11:19 PM

True dat.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Makes me wonder, though: does a true fan hope the Redskins play respectably but lose so that we get better draft positions... or does a true fan just always want the Redskins to win even if a meaningless win this year results in less favorable odds for next year?

Posted by: jgarrisn | December 26, 2010 11:19 PM |

Ah, the eternal question. I think a true fan routs for the Skins no matter what...whether it be for the game or for the draft choice. In other words, as long as they are really routing for the Skins (whether it be for the win or the higher draft pick) instead of just hating then they are a true fan.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

C'mon, scamp and Chia, it's Boxing Day, for the love of Pete. What the hell is this bickering accomplishing?

A recap:
Chia cut-and-pasted something Skins-related on the last thread without attributing it to the source; scamp accused Chia of plagiarism; Chia rebuffed the plagiarism charge; scamp trotted out the whole "sock puppet" shibboleth; and things escalated from there.

Sound and fury, signifying nothing... surely we have better things to do up here. Don't we?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 26, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, dude.

Email me, and I'll give you my cell phone #.

We can talk this out. I'll be coming back from work by 6pm EST-- we can air this out on my way home.

eh?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 26, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Nate, you forgot to attribute your quote to Shakespeare.

Posted by: swowra | December 26, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Nate, it's really just amusing to me to see how riled up I can get him. Actually in a pretty good mood with the win and all. Happy to see the team still fighting.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, dude.

Email me, and I'll give you my cell phone #.

We can talk this out. I'll be coming back from work by 6pm EST-- we can air this out on my way home.

eh?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 26, 2010 11:35 PM

What's your email address?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Just realized that because we're locked into 3rd place in the NFC East (I think), there's a good chance we won't be making our annual nail-biting trip to Detroit.

Hallelujah!

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | December 26, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Makes me wonder, though: does a true fan hope the Redskins play respectably but lose so that we get better draft positions... or does a true fan just always want the Redskins to win even if a meaningless win this year results in less favorable odds for next year?

Posted by: jgarrisn | December 26, 2010 11:19 PM |

Once again draft position doesn't mean dick unless it's for the #1 overall pick. Just look at the 2009 draft when we picked 13th and even Vinny couldn't mess it up.

The only two guys most team would covet is Luck going #1 and Newton going a few picks later. Newton is a project and we'll be in position to take the same caliber player that we would have taken a few picks earlier. It's about player evaluation and for once we have the right people in place.

It's a win in a terrible season but TWO more than last year...HAIL!

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm just playin' with ya Chia...take it easy homey. You're alright in my book anyway. I never believed the sock puppet scenario anyway.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

jgarrisn, I think daggar made a joke along the same lines on the last thread...

And the inverse applies to the Cowboys. I want them to lose every single game they play, in a way that brings humiliation and shame to every player and fan of the team, but at least to a tiny extent I'd like them to finish ahead of us so we get a better draft position.

F Dallas... and F losing to Dallas... and F another losing season for the Skins.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 26, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

swowra, nicely done.

I love all you numbskulls.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 26, 2010 11:45 PM | Report abuse

chchchchchia@gmail.com

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 26, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Ugh Chia. Don't put your email address up here. Beeps is gonna spam you to death now.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Makes me wonder, though: does a true fan hope the Redskins play respectably but lose so that we get better draft positions... or does a true fan just always want the Redskins to win even if a meaningless win this year results in less favorable odds for next year?

Posted by: jgarrisn | December 26, 2010 11:19 PM |

I think the momentum that comes from a late season rally after a bad start is more important than a few draft positions.

The team is playing hard for Shanny, and the offense is finally showing some life - two important pieces to build with come next season.

If the skins lost out and looked lifeless, we would be facing much bigger off season questions than who we want in the draft.

Posted by: edvar | December 26, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Well scamp, since you're accusing me of not being man enough and hiding behind multiple screen names on this discussion board (dude, that was never me) I just thought I'd offer to let you know who I really am, in real life, you know?

As far as beep is concerned, or whoever wants to continue to assail me as being a racist troll, the offer is the same.

Email me and I will gladly give you my phone number cuz I'm tired of this.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 26, 2010 11:57 PM | Report abuse

I think the momentum that comes from a late season rally after a bad start is more important than a few draft positions.

The team is playing hard for Shanny, and the offense is finally showing some life - two important pieces to build with come next season.

If the skins lost out and looked lifeless, we would be facing much bigger off season questions than who we want in the draft.

Posted by: edvar | December 26, 2010 11:53 PM |

I think you have a great point edvar. Especially when we beat teams that really have something to play for. Instill a little hope in the coaches, the system, and out new players and make potential FA's not scared to come play for the Shanny's and this team.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 26, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Since it never gets old, the Redskins under Snyder:

1999 10-6* (Norv)
2000 8-8 (Norv/Robinsky)
2001 8-8 (Schottenheimer)
2002 7-9 (Spurrier)
2003 5-11 (Spurrier)
2004 6-10 (Gibbs)
2005 10-6* (Gibbs)
2006 5-11 (Gibbs)
2007 9-7* (Gibbs)
2008 8-8 (Zorn)
2009 4-12 (Zorn)
2010 6-10 or 7-9 (Shanahan)

* playoffs

Dan Snyder = awesome!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 26, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Well scamp, since you're accusing me of not being man enough and hiding behind multiple screen names on this discussion board (dude, that was never me) I just thought I'd offer to let you know who I really am, in real life, you know?

As far as beep is concerned, or whoever wants to continue to assail me as being a racist troll, the offer is the same.

Email me and I will gladly give you my phone number cuz I'm tired of this.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 26, 2010 11:57 PM |

You missed a post at 11:41 chia...go back and read it real quick.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 27, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

1 more win and we are what I thought we were...7-9. I really do wish I had been wrong. But it beats "5-11, not very good!" by a long shot.

F Dallas

Hello NT/OLB

Good to see jackson and the o-line play as well as they did.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 27, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Good to see jackson and the o-line play as well as they did.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 27, 2010 12:00 AM

You know, it's kinda like everyone with any brains says, it takes a while for a team to get the hang of new coaches and systems. Most unretarded people will say at least 2, sometimes 3 years. Alas, so many here have no patience left...can't hardly blame 'em though.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 27, 2010 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Lets put the nail in the Giants coffin.

I really hate those guys.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 27, 2010 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Oh sorry scamp. I failed to detect the fact you were just yanking my chchchchchain.

and if that's you just playin' then I hate to see what you're like when you're being serious.

and in all honesty, homey, I have no sock puppets.

This is it and so it has been and so it shall be.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 27, 2010 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Oh sorry scamp. I failed to detect the fact you were just yanking my chchchchchain.

and if that's you just playin' then I hate to see what you're like when you're being serious.

and in all honesty, homey, I have no sock puppets.

This is it and so it has been and so it shall be.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 27, 2010 12:10 AM |

Yea, I can be a real prick. You're all right

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 27, 2010 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Wonder if BMitch and Blackistone would "respect" the Shanahan's and Rex more (and cut them more slack) if they were african american?

Posted by: fan4life2 | December 27, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Wonder if BMitch and Blackistone would "respect" the Shanahan's and Rex more (and cut them more slack) if they were african american?

Posted by: fan4life2 | December 27, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Wonder if BMitch and Blackistone would "respect" the Shanahan's and Rex more (and cut them more slack) if they were african american? I for one am getting tired of hearing their rants and recent lack of objectivity.

Posted by: fan4life2 | December 27, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

I think the last two weeks proved that rex knows and runs this offense ten times better then Mcnabb. the bad news is that rex grossman runs this offense.lol...I gotta believe that as a multi-year veteran and under the same offense now for years, that rex has the ability to improve like you see alot of veteran QB's do as they get older. kerry collins comes to mind! Always want to see the team play hard and get rewarded with a win because the flip side is the effort we mailed in against the giants the first game was hard to take. problem with our skins is that we can't play the giants and know we knock them out of playoffs because every stinkin game we play comes down to the very end and by the time we know we win, i have to take inventory as to my heart attach potential...hail skins....hope the giants lose to us on a last play, missed snap extra point as eli breaks his leg on the TD and would not be available for overtime anyway....and oh yeah, the team announced the whole staff would be fired if they didn't win the game. and that they had to dig up their new "rip off", PSL stadium to unearth jimmy hoffa, it was in the unions contract. but other then that.....

Posted by: klangley69 | December 27, 2010 12:41 AM | Report abuse

49'ers fire Singletary

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 27, 2010 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Singletary got canned by San Fran.

Another one bites the dust....

Posted by: edvar | December 27, 2010 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Chia_Pet | December 27, 2010 12:10 AM |

Yea, I can be a real prick. You're all right

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 27, 2010 12:14 AM

Co-sign... but I would like you less if you changed.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 27, 2010 1:19 AM | Report abuse

Co-sign... but I would like you less if you changed.


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 27, 2010 1:19 AM

Not SJKing likely.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 27, 2010 1:29 AM | Report abuse

Wonder if BMitch and Blackistone would "respect" the Shanahan's and Rex more (and cut them more slack) if they were african american? I for one am getting tired of hearing their rants and recent lack of objectivity.

Posted by: fan4life2 | December 27, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

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Great point sir!! It made me laugh when Ditka, who trashed his own team BTW, ripped Shanahan. Then we had Keyshawn pile on..Really!!!? The guy was a cancer to any team he played for and a bum at that! To hear Chris Carters take made me laugh as well. I'm getting sick and tired of Shanny getting blasted by the media about McNabb when it's pretty obvious his move to bench him was the right thing to do. We traded for the guy and gave him a shot and he couldn't get it done! Hopefully we can get a draft pick back trading him. I love how blind all those moron analysts are to the fact that Grossman has done better than McNabb with the offense.

Posted by: skins91r | December 27, 2010 5:01 AM | Report abuse

Morning, RI.

A couple thoughts from the game that I actually watched this week, since apparently that's the only way I have a right to express my views:


-This was the gutsiest, most impressive win of the year for the Redskins. To go into Jacksonville and beat a Jags team that had a playoff spot and a division title on the line would have been good...to do so with London Fletcher alongside a band of backups and practice squad slappies is incredible. Tip of the cap to Haslett for getting those guys ready to play.

-Grossman gives the Redskins exactly NO advantage whatsoever. McNabb's athleticism and experience alone makes him better than Grossman, and Rexy's grasp of the offense is effectively offset by his inaccuracy and poor decision making. Taking advantage of a mediocre Dallas defense at a time when they A) didn't know he was gonna play until two days before kickoff and B) didn't have any recent film on him to study even if they had a week to prepare wasn't a good indicator, but this matchup against an equally mediocre defense was. Even though the pick in the end zone clearly shouldn't have counted, it was an awful decision and dude couldn't even complete half his passes. Hardly the answer at QB for ANY length of time.

-Seemed to me like the Skins were running more rollouts and the such for Grossman when clearly that's not his game. How they weren't running this same stuff for McNabb is baffling. I don't buy the notion that Kyle Shanahan was setting McNabb up to fail, but he's not exactly giving me any evidence to refute it either.

-If we played in the NFC West, we'd rule that division...dysfunction and all.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 27, 2010 5:23 AM | Report abuse

I love how blind all those moron analysts are to the fact that Grossman has done better than McNabb with the offense.

Posted by: skins91r | December 27, 2010 5:01 AM


You obviously missed yesterday's game...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 27, 2010 5:27 AM | Report abuse

BTW...that Cooley drop in the end zone was absolutely atrocious...hard to combat the "trade Cooley" crowd when dude has such an epic fail on an open play like that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 27, 2010 5:34 AM | Report abuse

Why it's for the NFC West divison? If St. Louis wins we have an 8-8 divison champ and if Seattle wins...I don't know because they would both be tied at 7-9 with a series split.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 26, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

If Seattle wins they go on to the playoffs.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 27, 2010 5:41 AM | Report abuse

Brown, the only way McNabb give us the advantage is if we put a Redskins jersey on the turf.

Kyle Shanahan ran a ton of rollouts for McNabb and McNabb even managed to complete a few passes off of them. The difference is that for most of the season, with Portis and Torrain out, there has been no running game to speak of. Rollouts tougher to call when no one bites on the play action.

No, Grossman is not good, He's played at about the same level as Mcnabb did when he was in there. But I'd rather watch Grossman play like Grossman than McNabb play like Grossman.

Everyone knows we're drafting a QB this season and Rex is the right guy to keep the offense warm until the new guy is ready.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 27, 2010 5:43 AM | Report abuse

I love how blind all those moron analysts are to the fact that Grossman has done better than McNabb with the offense.

Posted by: skins91r | December 27, 2010 5:01 AM


You obviously missed yesterday's game...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 27, 2010 5:27 AM | Report abuse
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I wathched every snap. The fact that a journeyman like Grossman who has no physical skills BTW can manage this offence without making plays speaks volumes about what a joke McNabb is at this point!! Philly Didn't dump him because he could win!!!!!!!

Posted by: skins91r | December 27, 2010 5:50 AM | Report abuse

No, Grossman is not good, He's played at about the same level as Mcnabb did when he was in there. But I'd rather watch Grossman play like Grossman than McNabb play like Grossman.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 27, 2010 5:43 AM


Fair enough...I just reject the notion that Grossman is playing "well". Some up here have said that and after seeing that crapfest in Jacksonville, nobody can sell me on Rex being good. That dude is a vet now...he is what he is and he'll never be anything more than a decent backup.

There's word that Andrew Luck isn't coming out for the draft and will go back to school for 2011. If that's the case, that just reduced the chances we get one of the stud QBs projected to go in the 1st round. I sure hope we don't do something crazy like trade up...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 27, 2010 5:57 AM | Report abuse

For those interested in that ESPN Super League thing, the '91 Skins have the best record and are about to take on the '92 Cowpies for the title:

http://promo.espn.go.com/espn/promotions/nfl/superleague/

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 27, 2010 6:00 AM | Report abuse

I wathched every snap. The fact that a journeyman like Grossman who has no physical skills BTW can manage this offence without making plays speaks volumes about what a joke McNabb is at this point!! Philly Didn't dump him because he could win!!!!!!!

Posted by: skins91r | December 27, 2010 5:50 AM

Dude, get a grip...Grossman manages this offense about as well as you spell. To say "Grossman has done better than McNabb with the offense" is a stretch at best. If you wanna make the case that Grossman's and McNabb's differing strengths and weaknesses pull them about even, then I'll buy that. But don't tell me that a guy who couldn't complete half his passes against a mediocre defense is anywhere near good...because you show yourself as either biased or stupid.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 27, 2010 6:07 AM | Report abuse

Back at work this sucks.

Question for you guys.

I'm looking for a lightweight warm jacket for the DMV area any one have any ideas?

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 27, 2010 6:44 AM | Report abuse

I wathched every snap. The fact that a journeyman like Grossman who has no physical skills BTW can manage this offence without making plays speaks volumes about what a joke McNabb is at this point!! Philly Didn't dump him because he could win!!!!!!!

Posted by: skins91r | December 27, 2010 5:50 AM


Dude, get a grip...Grossman manages this offense about as well as you spell. To say "Grossman has done better than McNabb with the offense" is a stretch at best. If you wanna make the case that Grossman's and McNabb's differing strengths and weaknesses pull them about even, then I'll buy that. But don't tell me that a guy who couldn't complete half his passes against a mediocre defense is anywhere near good...because you show yourself as either biased or stupid.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 27, 2010 6:07 AM | Report abuse

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You're right... My grasp of the keyboard is only rivaled by your grasp of football. BTW I know what you are implying with your last sentence. I'm racist because I believe McNabb is washed up. Hilarious. Just look at what happened to Cooley... He got hit in the numbers again and again and he didn't know what to do with himself. The shock of getting well thrown balls was to much for him to handle. Grossman sucks and he is getting it done. What does that tell you? Maybe Mike Shanahan knows more about the game than you do.

Posted by: skins91r | December 27, 2010 6:53 AM | Report abuse

Just look at what happened to Cooley... He got hit in the numbers again and again and he didn't know what to do with himself. The shock of getting well thrown balls was to much for him to handle.

Posted by: skins91r | December 27, 2010 6:53 AM


Congrats...just when I thought you couldn't be more stupid than assuming race has ANYTHING to do with the McNabb/Grossman debate, you come with some galactically stupid sh*t like this. I mean, unless God Shanahan himself told you that well thrown balls are indeed harder to catch when you're wide open...

F it, I don't know why I'm even engaging such idiocy...ITA status for this asshat...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 27, 2010 7:10 AM | Report abuse

"*#&@ing &#*@ it!

That BS win just cost us about 5 spots in the draft.
If you're gonna win a meaningless game, at least do it against Dallas or NY!!

Posted by: jgarrisn | December 26, 2010 11:19 PM |"

Ummm no. Not unless Dallas, San Fran, Houston, and Minnesota had all won as well, would a Skins loss have remotely affected their draft position, but nice try on the making up stats.

Happy Holidays!

Posted by: ThinkingMan | December 27, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I have to respectfully agree with with jgarrisn. It may be true that this one win does not change things a great deal, but there is a great deal of difference in 5-11 and 7-9. Depending on who's coming out, there's 2 or 3 prize QBs in this draft. I was at the game Sunday and I got a distinct feeling that the coach would not have minded losing either. I turned to my friend when the Skins went for it on 4th down at the one yard line, instead of kicking the field goal, and said, that's not a call he would make if he really wanted to win. (It was 10-10 at the time and the Jags were not showing they could score again by their performance.)We may not have gotten a franchise QB with 5 losses and top 5 or 6 pick, but you can not be a top team in this league, in this era, without one. Take a look at all the teams who have qualified for the playoffs. Just once in my lifetime I'd like the skins to have a great QB. Maybe if Luck doesn't come out this year; it will be good thing, cause with the talent we have, we could be drafting really early in 2012.

Posted by: Skin4Life1 | December 27, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

R. Grossman 19/39 182 1td 1int... sexy rex sux as much as jreid...

season stats: 3 games 548yds 53.9comp % 5td 3 int 77.4 rating

sexy rexy is not even the answer as a "bridge" qb!!! he is only playing bc he and kyle shanny play in the bathtub together...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 27, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Skin4Life1, I understand the frustration of wanting the Redskins to have an elite QB just once in our lifetime. I'm old enough to remember the Jurgenson/Kilmer debates, after all. But consider this: under Gibbs, we won three Super Bowls with three good/decent QBs. So there's more to it than just an elite QB.

No, Sexy Rexy is not the long term answer. He may not even be the answer as "caretaker QB" while waiting for the next one to take over (he is unsigned, though I think the Redskins have an inside track to re-signing him if they want). But my thought was to not trade for McNabb, keep JC, and upgrade the rest of the team. We'll never know how that would have gone (JC has his problems as well, no question). But the real problems on this team haven't been QB...they've been Oline, Dline, and receivers.

I prefer a team fighting and winning for pride rather than mailing it in for draft pick position. Attitude is so much of this game, and mailing it in would be poisonous for that.

Finally, w/r/to going for it at the goal line--I thought of that as a "what the heck, we have nothing to lose here" decision. I suppose you could stretch that into "not playing to win," but I prefer to go with the Janis Joplin philosophy--"freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose." :)

Posted by: Banzai45 | December 27, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Used to be the regular season was exciting, i.e. playoffs, Superbowl, etc. Under the current regime with all the media and cable shows, the off season is more exciting. Skins are always Superbowl contenders with all big name personalities and players coming and going. It last longer too Winter, Spring and Summer. Go Off-season Skins!

Posted by: dohall | December 27, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Can someone explain why next week's game has been shifted to 4:15pm insteaad of the scheduled 1pm kickoff? JReid's piece was lacking in detail and didn't really address a reason as to why the game has been moved forward in time. Tks...

Posted by: DeployedFan | December 27, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

agreed, the comcast show is becoming more and more difficult to watch. chick hernandez, kevin blackistone, and brian mitchell are getting sickening defending mcnabb. the last two weeks i have watched more of riggo on masn

Posted by: mdoughtie22 | December 27, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

banzai45, good points...being old school myself; I remember those Gibbs superbowels well, but the league has changed (and I don't believe for the better) with rules and schemes. It does happen occasionally (Dilfer w/ the Ravens & Grossman w/ the Bears); but as the Ravens and the Bears realized from those superbowl and runner up teams, a great QB is a must in today's league. Unfortunately, there's not enough franchise QBs to go around, so we may need to be content with building a good team that can conspire to go 9-7 or 10-6 and get a playoff game here or there. Not being negative, just realistic.

Posted by: Skin4Life1 | December 27, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

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