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Posted at 2:30 PM ET, 01/26/2011

Baylor's Phil Taylor is biggest man on campus

By Rick Maese

It shouldn't surprise anyone if the Redskins find a way to field at least two -- and maybe three -- new starting defensive linemen next season. There are plenty of prospects available in the draft and one of the more intriguing players competing here in Mobile, Ala., at the Senior Bowl is Baylor's Phil Taylor.

Following practice Tuesday, Taylor said he feels he can play as either a nose tackle or a three-technique defensive tackle, but pro scouts and coaches are definitely looking at a guy with his thick frame as a nose.

"I played both this year," said Taylor. "I played mostly the one-technique. But three or the one -- it's not a big deal for me. ...Wherever they want to put me, I'll play it."

To no one's surprise, Taylor weighed in Monday as the heaviest player for Saturday's Senior Bowl. He stands 6-foot-3 1/2 inches tall and weighs 337 pounds. He's actually lost about 30 pounds since his junior season and he's apparently not finished.

"I want to lose another five to 10 pounds," he said.

Taylor attended Gwynn Park High in Clinton, Md., and started his career at Penn State under defensive line coach Larry Johnson Sr.

He said he hopes to report to the NFL Scouting Combine next month around 330 pounds and faster than ever. To prepare, he's been working out at Velocity Sports in Naples, Fla.

Taylor is focusing mostly on draft preparation right now -- speedwork, weights, etc. -- but says when he's on the field, he feels stopping the run is one of his strengths. Playing for the South team, which is being coached by the Buffalo Bills' staff, Taylor has looked strong so far in practices, moving not just the center but the entire interior line with ease.

By Rick Maese  | January 26, 2011; 2:30 PM ET
Categories:  NFL Draft  
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Comments

We need a guy like this.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 26, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

stu

These qbs college careers where light years away from anything Jake Locker did. And they are the complete opposite type of QB that Cam is.

You're right to a degree.

These Cam and Jake's might trend out to be more like Mike Vick: someone who was more athletic and than polished coming out of college.

And when you look at how defenses are today, a guy who can move and avoid pressue like Vick is more like what you want.

Plus: these guys can be more than the time they spent in college.

Remember: Apart of any coach's assessment is, how much can this guy grow in our system?

They don't stay 23-24 forever, you know.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 26, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975

We need a guy like this.


This guy and J Powe are NFL caliber NT's coming right out of college and should be there when we pick in round two.

We'd be foolsih not to take either of them given our poor defensive line play.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 26, 2011 2:40 PM | Report abuse

And when you look at how defenses are today, a guy who can move and avoid pressue like Vick is more like what you want.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 26, 2011 2:37 PM |

I don't agree with this. The scrambler types can be disruptive but if you look at the final four standing, all of them had pocket passers. Vick was a novelty this yr but defenses began to get the hang of how to play him (obviously not the Skins who he torched the 2nd time around). Next yr is going to be a challenge for him to do as well as he did this yr.

Posted by: Yammerstein | January 26, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

pfunk, who said VJ is "elite"? I haven't heard anyone say that...just that he's a big, playmaking target that would fit nicely with the Shanahan system. Nobody's calling him the next Andre Johnson or anything (although he certainly has the talent to be if he wanted to), so I'm not sure what you're missing...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 26, 2011 10:35 AM | Report abuse

"Elite" was the word used in Halsell's post. And what did you call him? "Top-flight", I believe? And is there much of a difference between the two? And is VJ even "top-flight" based on one nice season he had?

He's not Andre Johnson; but somehow he's apparently going to get paid like Andre Johnson if $10mill/year is the going rate.

So I don't think I'm missing anything.

Let someone else break the bank overpaying this overrated system-guy who had one nice year grabbing the coat-tails of Rivers and Gates...and let's move on.

Posted by: p1funk | January 26, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Moe I hear ya on the "athletics" side for the QB. But the guys that get the job done are still the Mannings and Bradys, Big Ben. Aaron Rodgers has been 1st or second in the league in rush yards for a QB for years now depending on Vick. But a great running QB is not what you think of when you see Aaron Rodgers. To me being able to adjust in the pocket and avoid pressure is a prerequisite. After that I want a guy that is always looking down field to pass not to run. Cam could get you in trouble as I feel he will still rely on his legs. I personally dont want a mike vike QB.

As ives stated I just dont get Jake Locker. When you max out at 21 Tds you junior year how do you expect this guy to pass for 30-40 TDs in the NFL. That is evaluation way beyond what I can see.

I just dont see how you can say well he was below average in college but he played in a pro system with little talent so if you give him good talent he will be great. I dont think so, he also faces great D, stuff that he has yet to see. But everyone has already anointed him pro ready, they have called him pro ready for years now, thus he will be pro ready.

My question why wasn't he College ready?

Posted by: Stu27 | January 26, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Stu27 | January 26, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Let someone else break the bank overpaying this overrated system-guy who had one nice year grabbing the coat-tails of Rivers and Gates...and let's move on.

Posted by: p1funk | January 26, 2011 2:50 PM

Agreed

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 26, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Taylor has looked strong so far in practices, moving not just the center but the entire interior line with ease.

Taylor is Wally FB's top rated NT. He won't be around by the time the Skins pick in the 2nd round and I doubt that the Skins would blow their #10 on him. But they desperately need a NT that can move the pile back into the QB's face so he can't step into his passes.

Posted by: Yammerstein | January 26, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

The scrambler types can be disruptive but if you look at the final four standing, all of them had pocket passers.


I beg to differ as both Rodgers and Roethlisberger have made plays sprinting into the teeth of man coverage.

In fact, one of the reasons why the jets beat both Manning and Brady was they knew neither quarterback would scramble enough to worry about them as runners.

Today, you want a guy who can threaten with both his legs and arm.

Cam and Locker both fit that mold.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 26, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

This guy and J Powe are NFL caliber NT's coming right out of college and should be there when we pick in round two.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 26, 2011 2:40 PM |

It would be nice if Taylor was there when the Skins pick in round 2 but the way the guy's stock has been rising and all the hype he is getting I would be surprised if he were there.

Posted by: Yammerstein | January 26, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

DRAFT HIM AT #10!!!

Posted by: heyjoe728 | January 26, 2011 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Taylor is Wally FB's top rated NT. He won't be around by the time the Skins pick in the 2nd round and I doubt that the Skins would blow their #10 on him. But they desperately need a NT that can move the pile back into the QB's face so he can't step into his passes.

Posted by: Yammerstein | January 26, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

He may be around in the 2nd.

There are more than a few other DTs who project higher than Phil Taylor - maybe not guys who can play NT, but not every team needs a NT.

The 4-3 teams are going to be looking at other guys.

I've also heard Stephen Paea's name as a top NT prospect in the draft - he's playing a bit lighter at 295, but he's an atheltic workhorse and could probably add some poundage.

Posted by: p1funk | January 26, 2011 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Let someone else break the bank overpaying this overrated system-guy who had one nice year grabbing the coat-tails of Rivers and Gates...and let's move on.

Posted by: p1funk | January 26, 2011 2:50 PM |

One of the most baffling stats around: Sandy Eggo was #1 defense, #1 offense, played in a suckhard div and didn't make the playoffs! Of course the #1 ratings were prob to a certain extent due to playing in a suckhard div, but still ....

Posted by: Yammerstein | January 26, 2011 3:12 PM | Report abuse

One of the most baffling stats around: Sandy Eggo was #1 defense, #1 offense, played in a suckhard div and didn't make the playoffs! Of course the #1 ratings were prob to a certain extent due to playing in a suckhard div, but still ....

Posted by: Yammerstein | January 26, 2011 3:12 PM

Problem is, they got beat by teams in their suckhard division. Swept by the Raidahs.

Noval just can't catch a break.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 26, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I've also heard Stephen Paea's name as a top NT prospect in the draft - he's playing a bit lighter at 295, but he's an atheltic workhorse and could probably add some poundage.

Posted by: p1funk | January 26, 2011 3:04 PM |

Powe and Fua are also highly regarded NT prospects that are projected to go in 3, 4, or 5. Now if the Skins had a 3rd round pick ...

Posted by: Yammerstein | January 26, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Cam and Locker both fit that mold.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 26, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

No they dont, neither has the down field passing ability like Big Ben and Aaron Rodgers do. Yeah Aaron and Ben run, but they ultimately kill you with the pass.
And Locker is a ishy runner.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 26, 2011 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Swept by the Raidahs.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 26, 2011 3:16 PM |

That just defies any kind of rational explanation. Swept by a team that they used have a deed on.

Posted by: Yammerstein | January 26, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

No they don't, neither has the down field passing ability like Big Ben and Aaron Rodgers do.


I quess I'm a little crazy to compare the passing ability of two 22 year old kids to two guys who've had at a minimum of 5 years of NFL coaching to improve their passing.

(INSERT tongue in cheek)

And, too, I guess the same scouts who rated Rodgers and Roethlisberger high like they have Cam and Locker, are clueless.

The general idea is to take a quarterback with skills you can coach up--not a finished from college product.

You see, more often than not, that quarterback doesn't exist.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 26, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Moe

I agree that today you want a guy who can pass n run

I don't think we need a guy with mike vick explosiveness but someone who can avoid a free rusher n find his target downfield.

Cam is not only a mobile qb but he's got the size to hang in the pocket

I think once he hits the NFL he will already be the biggest QB, 6'6" 250ish

That's an inch bigger than Flacco but allllllot more mobile

He's got a crazy combo of size, speed, arm strength and he's a proven winner.

Sounds like a recipe for culture change to me

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 26, 2011 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 26, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse
Im not talking about a college to pro comparison.
No just compare their number in college dude. Your all over the place on this one. You act like there is no way to compare them.

Go and look at Aaron Rodgers numbers at Cal, now go look at Lockers at UW, hopefully you will see the difference, maybe not?.

BTW i never said that either wont be a good even great pro qb im saying that what they have put on the table is not worth it for us, in my opionion.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 26, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Swept by the Raidahs.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 26, 2011 3:16 PM |

Another interesting stat:

The Raiders were 6-0 in their division.

Posted by: p1funk | January 26, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Go and look at Aaron Rodgers numbers at Cal, now go look at Lockers at UW, hopefully you will see the difference, maybe not?.


The knock on Rodgers at the draft:

"He's a Ted Tedford system kid who won't repeat those numbers inthe pros."

The knock on Roethlisberger at the draft:

"Miami didn't play the same competition as either Rivers or Manning, so I dunno if we can trust his numbers."

The knock on Flacco:

"Well, Delaware didn't face the big time programs, so who can trust his numbers?"

The knock on Elway:

"Dude wants to play baseball--let him."

The knock on Favre:

"How do you say his name?"

The praise wasted on Leinhart, Smith, Campbell, Carr, Young, Russell, Harrington, etc.:

"Big schools, big college numbers, they should be great pros just based on their college performance alone."

"There base set of tools as athletes--speed, arm strenght, and size?"

"Who pays attention to that?"

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 26, 2011 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Moe

One thing you didn't mention is the places these guys found themselves in.

A lot of those guys u mentioned were drafted after pic 10 and so on.

Meaning they went to a team that had peices around them.

When teams draft top ten, they usually have a lot of needs so one pick doesn't change there whole team.

if we grab a qb what peices do we have around him??

We got tw, rakpo, landry, hall. Those are the only guys I think could start on a good team in the NFL

Sure we got a lot of developing guys, torrain, banks, armstrong but everyone else could be facing "competition" this offseason

Point is even if we grab a qb we got just enough to keep us from drownin. To do this right its gonna take free agents, draftees to be our guys and a lot of Dannys cheese

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 26, 2011 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Moe

One thing you didn't mention is the places these guys found themselves in.

A lot of those guys u mentioned were drafted after pic 10 and so on.

Meaning they went to a team that had peices around them.

When teams draft top ten, they usually have a lot of needs so one pick doesn't change there whole team.

if we grab a qb what peices do we have around him??

We got tw, rakpo, landry, hall. Those are the only guys I think could start on a good team in the NFL

Sure we got a lot of developing guys, torrain, banks, armstrong but everyone else could be facing "competition" this offseason

Point is even if we grab a qb we got just enough to keep us from drownin. To do this right its gonna take free agents, draftees to be our guys and a lot of Dannys cheese

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 26, 2011 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Drafting a QB....well let's look at whose available then. Based on media reports, you know how accurate those can be during the draft process, the Skins are hot to trot after Locker. That's crap and he's crap. If he's the only QB still on the board at 10, trade down and get a mid round pick. There's gonna be quality QB's in the 2nd-3rd rounds. Pat Devlin or Andy Dalton to name a couple. The DL needs so much help, that trading back and drafting someone to go on the DL(NT or DE). Taylor or Paea fit the bill to start on the DL.

Posted by: sam_spg94 | January 26, 2011 10:10 PM | Report abuse

If you're going to use the #10 pick on a QB, he better be a sure-fire prospect and he better be ready to play.

Locker and Newton are not.

This team should draft linemen and wait until next year to find a QB. Either of those guys is a reach at #10. When you're desperately trying to talk yourself into a guy because you need a QB so badly, you're about to make a big mistake.

Ask yourself the question: would you rather have a great lineman who's here for 10 years or a mediocre QB? That's pretty simple, right? Well, what's more likely at #10?

I'd say the odds of either Locker or Newton turning into an elite NFL QB (that's what we're looking for, right?) are less than 50/50. But there are several players at other positions who are likely to be available at #10 who grade out to be long-term NFL starters.

This team needs to stop buying lottery tickets. There is no QB who can save this team. They need to start from the ground up. Forget a QB. Yes, that means the Skins will suck next year.

But be honest: do you think they'll not suck with a rookie QB?

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 27, 2011 8:43 AM | Report abuse

"I've also heard Stephen Paea's name as a top NT prospect in the draft - he's playing a bit lighter at 295, but he's an atheltic workhorse and could probably add some poundage.Posted by: p1funk"

Hard to imagine there's a more productive NT out there than Paea. Supposedly he played most of last season at 310-315. But he's missed time at the Senior Bowl practices & rumor has it he's torn a meniscus -- that could push him down a ways on draft day. Usually does.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 27, 2011 11:09 AM | Report abuse

"Ask yourself the question: would you rather have a great lineman who's here for 10 years or a mediocre QB? That's pretty simple, right? Well, what's more likely at #10?"

Well, this was always a class more noted for QB depth than the presence of a sure-fire star. With Andrew Luck out of the running, we're left with talented risk picks like Blaine Gabbert or Mallett (the only two who might go in the top half of the first in an ordinary year). Players like Locker and Cam Newton are developmental types that you have to be prepared to let sit for a couple seasons. That should push them down into the twenties. Ponder is throwing well in practice so maybe he's back in the late first round mix.

We should recall that Sam Bradford was something of a risk pick last season.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 27, 2011 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Of course, there was no objective reason to select Tim Tebow in the first round last year, so with QBs, anything can happen. It's like a competitive auction -- more about bidder psychology than verifiable skills.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 27, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

On QB's - after watching Randall Cunningham, early Steve Young, M Vick etc. The awesome athletic skills that help them so much, eventually hinder them against good teams unless they learn to stick within the system. When the offense gets taken over by improvisation and running for first downs that starts becoming a first reaction. During the course of the game the O loses rhythm and timing, the QB starts getting exhausted, takes hits and eventually breaks down against a good team.

Not exactly, but akin to b-ball, a great player can light it up, but unless the rest of the team remains involved and plays within a system - the highlight reel won't go deep in the playoffs.

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | January 28, 2011 8:07 AM | Report abuse

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