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Berry set to visit Redskins this week

Free safety Eric Berry is scheduled to visit the Redskins beginning Wednesday night, according to a league source.

The former Tennessee all-American also will spend time Thursday at Redskins Park. Berry, who will travel to Ashburn after visiting the Kansas City Chiefs, was a big-time playmaker in college. Berry has the best coverage skills of all the draft-eligible safety prospects, some talent evaluators believe.

Although the Redskins, who currently hold the fourth overall pick in the draft, are believed to covet former Oklahoma star quarterback Sam Bradford, the team also has secondary concerns. Former top pick LaRon Landry struggled in coverage and against the run at free safety last season.

Although some believe Landry is better suited to play strong safety, the position for which he was drafted, Landry had problems, in terms of being out of position, when he worked in the box as well, team sources said. If the Redskins did draft Berry, perhaps that move would be part of something bigger to acquire the rights to Bradford.

ESPN's Mel Kiper, Jr. and Todd McShay each have Berry projected to go fifth overall to Kansas City in their latest mock drafts.

By Jason Reid  |  March 30, 2010; 11:35 AM ET
Categories:  NFL Draft  | Tags: Eric Berry, NFL Draft  
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sean taylor esque

Posted by: mopp04 | March 30, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Wouldn't it be a hoot if the Skins under supposedly wiser and saner management than the previous regime went "Chicago Bears" on us and gave up multiple draft picks, including first rounders, to snag Bradford who has yet to throw his first pass whereas Cutler is at least a proven elite QB with no discernable physical problems like a glass shoulder.

Posted by: ElDrano | March 30, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Landry will bounce back and come around. You gotta figure the loss of Sean Taylor had to be as if not more traumatic for him than it was for Grilliams.

Posted by: dcsween | March 30, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

If the Redskins did draft Berry, perhaps that move would be part of something bigger to acquire the rights to Bradford.
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Huh? Can you provide an anonymous source for this, please?

Posted by: closer44 | March 30, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Mayock likes Earl Thomas better than Eric Berry ... and no one seems to talk about Taylor Mays anymore. Seems like a few of the safeties are getting good buzz this year (more than past season). Virginia Tech's Kam Chancellor gets good buzz.

Posted by: dcsween | March 30, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Oh boy...cue Gl wetting himself in 3...2...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: ElDrano | March 30, 2010 11:44 AM

Cutler is not an elite qb. He has never taken his team to the playoffs let alone won a game. Going to the Pro Bowl doesnt make you elite, see Derek Anderson. Thank you Vinny for trading our second round pick to the dolphins otherwise we would be stuck with Cutler.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 30, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

OMG, BERRY's coming, BERRY;s coming!!!! Get ready REDSKINS to see the #4 pick in the draft. Well.......if we didn't have more pressing needs in this draft. Besides there's TERRELL WHITEHEAD from NORFOLK STATE.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 30, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

brownwood, please stop. You look foolish using Rivers and the Chargers as an example. Rivers is the reason the Chargers went as far as they did.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 30, 2010 11:29 AM


First of all, that was YOUR example...I'm just pointing out to you how that's flawed. Second, I don't get how you can ignore the fact that Rivers had one of the top 3 pass catching TEs in the league over the last decade, a cinch HoF RB for opposing defenses to key on, one of the steadiest O-lines in football, and a top 5 FO putting a great team around him. And that's not mentioning a fairly consistent defense over much of his time there. Insert Phil Rivers in burgundy and gold, and he's the target of the wrath of clowns like Vic1.

QB don't win games by themselves. I don't get why this line of thinking is so hard for so many here...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

DAMN, I have to change. I'll be back.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 30, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

If the Redskins did draft Berry, perhaps that move would be part of something bigger to acquire the rights to Bradford.
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Huh? Can you provide an anonymous source for this, please?

Posted by: closer44 | March 30, 2010 11:45 AM

http://blogs.nfl.com/category/jason-la-canfora/peepswillbeliveanythingthatlookslikeitssourced.htm

I think the idea is that the Skins could draft Berry at #4, then like the Giants did when they did the Rivers/Eli swap, Berry gets packaged up and sent off to whoever holds Bradford for about 45 minutes.

Posted by: dcsween | March 30, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

"Insert Phil Rivers in burgundy and gold, and he's the target of the wrath of clowns like Vic1.

QB don't win games by themselves. I don't get why this line of thinking is so hard for so many here..."


Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010

Well said. I'm hoping one day the bloggas free themselves of this Snyderesque mentality.

Posted by: dcwun | March 30, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

brownwood, please stop. You look foolish using Rivers and the Chargers as an example. Rivers is the reason the Chargers went as far as they did.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 30, 2010 11:29 AM


First of all, that was YOUR example...I'm just pointing out to you how that's flawed...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Really? That was my example? You brought Phillip Rivers to our party, not me. See below.


Like someone pointed out yesterday, the Skins had an All-Pro/Pro Bowler at LT for years and what did it get them?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 30, 2010 10:38 AM


Yeah, and the Chargers have a franchise QB taken 4th overall and what's that gotten THEM?

Works both ways, dude. Football games are won in the trenches. You build there consistently and hope the "skill" position guys come along and hold up their end of the bargain.

I don't get how a bunch of fans of the only team in the NFL best known for its legendary OFFENSIVE LINE PLAY and no obvious franchise QB in about 40 years can come to any other conclusion...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

You were saying?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 30, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I think the idea is that the Skins could draft Berry at #4, then like the Giants did when they did the Rivers/Eli swap, Berry gets packaged up and sent off to whoever holds Bradford for about 45 minutes.

Posted by: dcsween
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Yeah, but is he just pulling that out of his a$$? I mean the Redskins are supposed to reach (in my opinion) for a safety with the fourth pick and then somehow package that to trade for Bradford? If that's the scenario, you could plug any name in there--Okung, Suh, Clausen. Reid seems so convinced Shanahan will do anything and everything to get Bradford, that he had to construe news about Berry's visit to Redskins Park into some weird scheme to get SB. Either that or I'm missing the point.

I was joking about the source bit.

Posted by: closer44 | March 30, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Can Berry or Bradford play offensive tackle? If not, don't draft them.

Shanahan wants competition at every position. We have no proven people at either tackle spot. For legitimate competition, you need to come up with four tackles!

Posted by: kirk8 | March 30, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I think the idea is that the Skins could draft Berry at #4, then like the Giants did when they did the Rivers/Eli swap, Berry gets packaged up and sent off to whoever holds Bradford for about 45 minutes.

Posted by: dcsween | March 30, 2010 11:51 AM

Here's how something like that might work ... Rams picked Bradford. Skins pick Berry. Rams send Bradford and Atogwe to the Skins in exchange for Jason Campbell, Berry, another player or pick (or both) and a ham sandwich. Rex Grossman makes a glawrence-style mess in this pants.

Posted by: dcsween | March 30, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

And still, if we were all Chargers fans there would be a contingent of folks who would be calling for Rivers to be cut/traded because after 6 years in the same offense, he still has won them nothing……can’t win the big game, has all that talent around him and still no rings, Chargers will never win a championship with him, get rid of him while he still has value, and I drive a dodge stratus….BIG TIME STUFF!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 30, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Berry's totally ST-esque..Could be option after Bradford, Okung, Claussen off the board??..

Posted by: frak | March 30, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Or Bradford/Carriker/Atogwe for Campbell/Carter/Berry/pick.

Posted by: dcsween | March 30, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/29/erykah.badu.strips/index.html?hpt=C2

Posted by: Zeebs | March 30, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Zeebs | March 30, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 30, 2010 12:00 PM

Only less knowledgeable fans or those who don't actually watch the games would hold that opinion.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 30, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

shes got a donk that could end all donks!!!

Posted by: Zeebs | March 30, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Here's how something like that might work ... Rams picked Bradford. Skins pick Berry. Rams send Bradford and Atogwe to the Skins in exchange for Jason Campbell, Berry, another player or pick (or both) and a ham sandwich. Rex Grossman makes a glawrence-style mess in this pants.

Posted by: dcsween
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Or, since there's no way Berry's going any higher than 4th, the Skins just trade the 4th pick plus whatever and let the Rams take whoever they want. But then J Reid wouldn't be able to feed the trolls by working a tid-bit about Bradford into an article about Berry visiting Redskins park.

Posted by: closer44 | March 30, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

man, he will be sooooo tempting at #4. but this visit is probably to see if he is worth a pick at 6, 7 or 8 if the skins draft back to get more picks. he would definitely be worth it then. still, the o-line beckons.

Posted by: shanafan | March 30, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

brownwood, please stop. You look foolish using Rivers and the Chargers as an example. Rivers is the reason the Chargers went as far as they did.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 30, 2010 11:29 AM
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Uh huh. And LT and AG were just over-achieving role players

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 30, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Jimmy Clausen waits till April 9th ("Jimmy doesn't want to throw with his teammates. Jimmy is going to wait. Jimmy likes Elaine.")

Posted by: dcsween

This is hilarious!

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 30, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

With Bradford and Okung possibly gone by the time we pick, it's time for the Skins to start talking up Berry, Clausen, etc. Hopefully some team falls in love and gives us some second/third picks to fall a few spots and pick Williams or Bulaga.

Posted by: manifested | March 30, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 30, 2010 12:00 PM

Only less knowledgeable fans or those who don't actually watch the games would hold that opinion.

Posted by: learnedhand1

Then there's plenty of them around these parts.....

Posted by: dcwun | March 30, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

If the Redskins did draft Berry, perhaps that move would be part of something bigger to acquire the rights to Bradford.
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Huh? Can you provide an anonymous source for this, please?

Posted by: closer44

This bothered me too, that's be retarded. Maybe we could trade Berry for Ports' burst, cause Reid sayd he lost it

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 30, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I say no to Berry.

He is not the concensus #1 at that position, and I dont think we 'need' him.

We 'need' o line. I tend to err on the side of caution. Everyone thinks Okung is top tackle. Get him. Everyone thinks bradford is top QB, so i guess i would be okay with that.

Suh or McCoy, toss up as to who is better, but consensus is they both will be beasts; so i am okay there. So if most 'experts' agree, I think we can be assured that they at least wont be a bust.

They are unsure of Berry, so I say no!

Posted by: Zeebs | March 30, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

shes got a donk that could end all donks!!!

Posted by: Zeebs | March

Yeah, I don't remember it being like that before. Probably the only time I"ve ever wished I was in Dallas.

Posted by: dcwun | March 30, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I really like Bradford and think he is going to be a stud.. I trust Shanny and co. to know what is best for the franchise, however I just wanna see JC get a year behind a decent O-line with a REAL coach.

With the report coming out that the Ravens are willing to part with Jared Gaither for a second round pick, making a move on this would open up so many opportunities to capitalize on this draft which has been described as the best in years.

Gaither is one of the top LT's (however, the fact they are asking for only a 2nd rounder raises some red flags). We trade our early second rounder + andre carter to them for Gaither, the guy is only 24.

Now that we have our LT, if Bradford is taken #1, we trade back. The most likely partner would be the Bills who would be poppin boners if they could get Clausen. We trade back with them and get their #9 pick + their second rounder (#41). With that #9 pick we draft Trent Williams, the RT from Oklahoma. That instantly gives us one of the best Tackle Duo's for years to come.

With our newly acquired #41 pick we take the best player available at a need position between running back/ nose tackle/ Linebacker. I would wait on the RB till 4th round.

If this draft happened I would bust a serious load in my pants, no homo.

Posted by: jeffco01 | March 30, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Berry is NOT Sean Taylor-esque. N. O. T. Berry is 6'0" 211, Taylor was 6'3" 230.

Taylor Mays has the physical tools that ST did -- same size, but ran a 4.3 vs. 4.5 and put up 24 reps versus 11, but doesn't have the playmaking ability and instincts. Berry might be close in playmaking, but he's not the overpowering athlete that #21 was. I remember watching him play (wearing #36) at the HOF game and it was obvious that he was going to be great.

The Redskins do need a dominating safety, if you look at most of the very good defenses in the NFL they all have great play from at least one of the safety positions. Look for the Giants to dominate the NFC East this year with the acquisition of Rolle.

Were I running this draft, if Mays is there in the second round, I grab him and hope he can be taught.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 30, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

wun, she always wore the lon flowing robes... but you could tell there was something there.

Posted by: Zeebs | March 30, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Well said. I'm hoping one day the bloggas free themselves of this Snyderesque mentality.


Posted by: dcwun

this also baffles and amuses me, the people that hate danny, if they were in charge, would start cutting young productive players because they aren't 'elite' or said the wrong thing

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 30, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why people would think that Washington needs a QB... or why someone would presume that Campbell isn't "Shanahan's type."

According to many posters, JC isn't the problem. Rather, the real problems for this club are with its offensive linemen, running backs, tight ends, defensive backs, kickers, kick returners, defensive linemen, wide receivers, others special teams players, practice squad members, popcorn salesmen, cheerleaders, team owners, front office execs, ticket salemen, parking lot attendants, Hooters waitresses, lawyers, and pilots for the Goodyear blimp.

And if anyone says anything to the contrary, then they're just haters.

Posted by: Vic1 | March 30, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

What's with "esque" today?

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 30, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

dpc;

et al... we have been saying how lack of coaching hurt a lot of players. even some saying CR22 could get better.

I also see this with Ron Ron. Him and Horton are a good safety tandem, if coached right and put in the right position.

We have players that can play... people say Laron did not play well, not that he is not a good player.

Same for JC (or half and half say), but O line is where it is obvious that we do not have good players.

So i would rather move down or reach for Bulaga than take a safety at 4. i would rather take a potential game changer in Spiller, than Berry.

Remember who we passed on because we had CP... Shanny always gets 4.8 out of lesser RB's... what if he had a top flight rb?

Makes me wonder....

Posted by: Zeebs | March 30, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

"Insert Phil Rivers in burgundy and gold, and he's the target of the wrath of clowns like Vic1."

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You could insert Phil Silvers and he couldn't be any funnier or more pathetic than the clown we curently have at center stage.

Posted by: Vic1 | March 30, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

And if anyone says anything to the contrary, then they're just haters.

Posted by: Vic1 | March 30, 2010 12:18 PM
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Good job, Vic1. The first step on the way to a cure is admitting that you have a problem.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 30, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

esque" me!!!!

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | March 30, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Ok LH...I did bring up the Chargers first, you got me. You can have your small victory so long as you wake up to the reality that a QB along doesn't make your franchise. Again...franchise QBs are made, not born.

If you put Rivers on the Redskins teams of the 2000's, you have Patrick Ramsey. Guaranteed.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

"Insert Phil Rivers in burgundy and gold, and he's the target of the wrath of clowns like Vic1."

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You could insert Phil Silvers and he couldn't be any funnier or more pathetic than the clown we curently have at center stage.

Posted by: Vic1 | March 30, 2010 12:22 PM


Wow if you don't prove my point here...I rattle your cage and instead of coming for me, you go for JC again. You should really see somebody about this dude...I'm not even kidding when I say that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Berry could do well in Washington but I think he's an extravagance at this point. I don't think Landry was as bad as he played last year. They could move Carlos Rogers to free safety, so Landry could play strong safety. I think this would be a better move than drafting Berry, and it allows them to load up on OT's at the top of the draft.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 30, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

this also baffles and amuses me, the people that hate danny, if they were in charge, would start cutting young productive players because they aren't 'elite' or said the wrong thing

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 30, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse
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Who was the last productive person Danny cut because they weren't elite or said the wrong thing?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 30, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

this also baffles and amuses me, the people that hate danny, if they were in charge, would start cutting young productive players because they aren't 'elite' or said the wrong thing

Posted by: pabrian2003

I don't hate Snyder and you know where I stand in terms of the players that draw the most criticism. All you can ask from an owner is for him to open his wallet to get the best players available for the coaches. He's done that.

By Snyderesque, I'm referring to the big name, flashy player that we've gone after in the past. This is a new regime and regardless of what "da mayor" says will build from the inside out.

Posted by: dcwun | March 30, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I've got it all figured out now. It will be Berry or Claussen or Okung or Suh or Bradford or Spiller or somebody else or a trade of somebody/draft picks for somebody else/draft picks.

Simple really.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 30, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

If you put Rivers on the Redskins teams of the 2000's, you have Patrick Ramsey. Guaranteed.

Posted by: brownwood26

Or David Carr....

Posted by: dcwun | March 30, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Zeebs,
I don't think Mays falls that far in the draft. It would be too tempting for Al Davis not to take the guy, and then convert him to OLB. He could easily get to 250 and only lose a step or two.

I hear you about OL: that is definitely a position of need. But if you see a guy rated high on your board, you take him. The Redskins probably made the right decision on Orakpo last year, it was the rest of the draft they failed, especially in having given up 2 of their picks. And Kevin Barnes was not a good decision, they should have picked OL there.

As far as RB, the Redskins have a history of picking up RB through trades or FA and doing well. Not going to happen this year, but maybe next.

Now, supposing they take Okung at 4, and McCoy is still available in the 2nd round. That might be a good pick.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 30, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

brownie

Appreciate the call out, but I don't know you.

I thought you were talking about QBs -- and how any quarterback would be destined to fail in this system. Or did I misunderstand you?

Please note that I wasn't disagreeing with you... or reacting to your baby rattle...

but rather, I was just saying that regardess or the system, some QBs are bigger failures than others...

and as a case in point...

Posted by: Vic1 | March 30, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

We need to be right with whatever we decide to do with this years draft..... We need a better roster top to bottom, so there really isn't a postion save TE where you can say allset .... I always evalutate after not before the draft, many of you follow the coolege game and draftboards alot more closley than I...but I can tell you that there are certainly players who are highly towted who will be complete and total busts and their will be players taken in latter rounds who will be total players...its been along long time since we have found one of these guys (Bmitch 5th rd)and we have made way to many early round mistakes shuler,, ramsey westbrook, andre johnson, etc.... we need to be right regardless of position, we need more talent across the board....is this the Gm/coach to find and develope players? time will tell....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool1 | March 30, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Rather, the real problems for this club are with its....

And if anyone says anything to the contrary, then they're just haters.

Posted by: Vic1 | March 30, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse
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Nice list! I shall support your theory by providing the details

offensive linemen: LT, RG out, RT unknown
running backs: 2 on the wrong side of 30
tight ends: injury to our top guy, defensive backs: one cant catch, two cant tackle, and one is pretty white
kickers: Choke-o-matic
kick returners: 20 yards and a cloud of dust
defensive linemen: overpaid, overweight, and gassed
wide receivers: late bloomers
others special teams players: aka the scrubs who couldnt make the 4-12 starting squad
practice squad members: aka the scrubs who couldn't make special teams
popcorn salesmen: lack of competition cheerleaders: too far away
team owners: 3 playoff trips in 10 years...
front office execs: "Hi, I'm Vinny, and my rings think Adam Archuleta has something left in the tank!"
ticket salemen: selling to rival fans
parking lot attendants: Shut down the tailgating
Hooters waitresses: Thou shalt not live on chicken wings alone
lawyers: Amen
pilots for the Goodyear blimp: Pollution

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 30, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Vic, if you don't understand that the Redskins failings are the fault of many people way over Campbell's pay grade, then nothing I say is gonna change that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I say no to Berry.

He is not the concensus #1 at that position, and I dont think we 'need' him.

We 'need' o line. I tend to err on the side of caution. Everyone thinks Okung is top tackle. Get him. Everyone thinks bradford is top QB, so i guess i would be okay with that.

Suh or McCoy, toss up as to who is better, but consensus is they both will be beasts; so i am okay there. So if most 'experts' agree, I think we can be assured that they at least wont be a bust.

They are unsure of Berry, so I say no!

Posted by: Zeebs | March 30, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

This person does not like watching college football.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 30, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Look for the Giants to dominate the NFC East this year with the acquisition of Rolle.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 30, 2010 12:15 PM |

1. Rolle plays FS like Landry.
2. Cards release him.
3. Giants pick him up and give him big $$$ guaranteed.
4. See above post.

Go figure.

Posted by: ElDrano | March 30, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

"I was just saying that regardess or the system, some QBs are bigger failures than others...

and as a case in point..."

...we direct you to Rich Gannon, Trent Green, and Brad Johnson.

Posted by: psps23 | March 30, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

IMO, you get the QB. If you are going to put 4th overall money into a player, you better swing big like a franchise QB -- Not an F---ing safety. I say go up and get Bradford if Shan-alle-han think he's franchise worthy. The only problem I have with Bradford (and, no, it's not his shoulder) is going up to get him may cost us our #1 and #3 next year a la the Manning-Rivers swap. That's too pricey.

Posted by: C-DubDC | March 30, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

From the earlier discourse on Eli v Rivers....the one thing they both have is playmaking ability...making something out of nothing or hitting something the breaks wideopen (rare but you can't miss these)....To side with Vic... this is JC'sbiggest flaw...he simply doesn't mmake enough plays wether creating something or hitting something wide open he simply doesn't...in the NFL were the margin for winning and losing each week comes down a handful of plays you have too make them when they are there or create them when you have a chance ...JC rarely has done either....end soap box....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool1 | March 30, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

westjr88

"...give me $20 million and I will play QB with just a center..."


This just kills me, it's so funny.

Why?

Jason Campbell got hit like a quarterback playing behind just a center, and he won't get $20 million bucks.

In fact, has Mr. Campbell been resigned to any deal with the team?

Is he still in 'tendered' limbo?

That's a heck of a place to leave your possible starting quarterback dangling.

Unless, of course, your plan is to let him dangle prior to trading him.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 30, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

ElDrano...
Hmm, played safety like Landry. Stats say they're close.

Rolle:
TCKL 72 SCK 1.5 FF 1 INT 4
Landry:
TCKL 90 SCK 1.0 FF 2 INT 1

I think LL was playing out of position, and in a more aggressive scheme would have played better.

Rolle was released (in a gamble) by ARI to avoid the $4M roster bonus + $8M 2010 salary. By all reports, ARI was bidding for him but lost out to NYG. If the NYG get their DL to play against the rest of the league the way they play WAS, Rolle will have a hell of a year.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 30, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Brownie

But we can't change the owner, can we? Nor can we undo the mess that Vinny left us overnight.

Nor, apparently, can we rid ourselves of a fat, lazy running back who is guaranteed well in excess of $7 million this season.

Nor, apparently, can we get the $100 million man to work out, watch some film and learn a few new schemes with his teammates.

Nor, apparently can we get defensive backs focused on creating turnovers, covering double moves, or playing any closer than 35 yards off the line of scrimmage.

Nor can we find a player who can field a punt and run 8 yards...

...a pass receiver who can catch in mid-air...

...a tight end who can block...

...or any sort of runner who can lower his shoulders and pick up a yard and a half.

We certainly can't seem to find an offensive lineman who can stay healthy...

or a quarterback who can't find his rhythm until garbage time.

So maybe we ought to just concede the season to those who can...

and try again next year.

Posted by: Vic1 | March 30, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

In the previous post....JReid gave out some bad info.....Let me insert the correction:

At Oklahoma, Bradford ran a spread system that also used play action and power run game.....Both of these constitutes him taking snaps under center and dropping back. Bob Stoops has a real football pedigree and they play REAL football in Oklahoma.....versus what they play down there in Florida.

Also, in the Spread game OK ran, it wasn't a roll out type/gimmicky offense.

The fact is the NFL is also moving toward a spread/wide open offense as the NFL becomes more passer friendly.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 30, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Rumor has it that San Fran has a woodrow for Berry and would be willing to part with their two first rounders for him. There is the insinuation of a trade for you.

Posted by: paulb3rd | March 30, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

"I say no to Berry."


Hard to agree with this comment.

I mean, if we draft Berry and pair him with DeAngelo Hall, we suddenly feature Halle Berry in our defensive backfield.

And like most of you, I'd love to see Halle Berry's backfield in motion on game day.

(INSERT rimshot audio and image of Rodney "Moe" Dangerfield yanking his tie while complaining about the lack of respect he receives in this blog.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 30, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

...That's a heck of a place to leave your possible starting quarterback dangling.

Unless, of course, your plan is to let him dangle prior to trading him.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 30, 2010 12:51 PM
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I think the key word is "dangling". I am sure they will take less than a first rounder and I have noticed the Redskins don't have a third round pick this draft. A quarterback they want to trade and no third round pick.... hmmmm... coincidence? I think not.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 30, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Let me say this to all my RI brothers and sisters:

If you have the #4 pick in the draft, it's ALWAYS a crapshoot. you have a 50-50 chance of getting a stud player that can help your franchise for years to come.

At best the Redskins currently have a QB who is average at best and still has many question marks.

When you have the 4th pick, you may want to take a chance on drafting what you think could be your "franchise" QB. Also, you all have to remember, Jason Campbell is not Shanahan's QB. If i'm taking over a team, I might keep the incumbent guy around, but I want MY guy. Is there a chance Claussen and Bradford could be busts...SURE, but what if these guys could be elite with the right coach and talent around him? I think we've gotta take that chance...we've stunk for the last 10 years.

Mark Sanchez has many great parts around him, but I'm not looking at that, I'm looking at what he does after he throws a pick...Aaron Rodgers has NO offensive line but he COMPETES. Campbell would be better with a more stable line, but he's been called out by two of his teammates publically (Haynesworth and Portis-not exactly choir boys...but)

I say take a gamble on a QB at #4...you've still got Campbell and Grossman in your pocket.

THE LAST THING I WANT TO SEE IS SAM BRADFORD OR JIMMY CLAUSSEN THROWING THE BALL ALL AROUND THE FIELD AND WE COULDA HAD ONE OF EM'.

So...Mr. Allen and Coach Shanahan, if you think Claussen and Bradford can be "THAT GUY"...have the balls to take him...I'll respect you more.

SICWIDIT!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 30, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I can see Singletary really wanting this guy.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 30, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

If Allen can con the 49er's into giving up 13 and 17 for 4+Berry...

well just when I though he couldn't get any dumber, he does something like this and TOTALLY REDEEMS HIMSELF.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 30, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

but rather, I was just saying that regardess or the system, some QBs are bigger failures than others...

and as a case in point...

Posted by: Vic1 | March 30, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse
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Yep. The passer whose offense was rated #16 in passing yards and #27 in rushing yards is a big fat failure.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 30, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I have read in multiple places that Singletary Covets Berry and the niners are willing to give up the farm for him.

Posted by: paulb3rd | March 30, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

"I say no to Berry."

Hard to agree with this comment.

I mean, if we draft Berry and pair him with DeAngelo Hall, we suddenly feature Halle Berry in our defensive backfield.

And like most of you, I'd love to see Halle Berry's backfield in motion on game day.

(INSERT rimshot audio and image of Rodney "Moe" Dangerfield yanking his tie while complaining about the lack of respect he receives in this blog.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 30, 2010 12:56 PM
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You had to work way too hard to make that joke work, Moe, but I appreciated it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 30, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

"If you put Rivers on the Redskins teams of the 2000's, you have Patrick Ramsey. Guaranteed.

Posted by: brownwood26"

So Phillip Rivers would not have improved the two playoff teams considerably?? Hmmm...

Posted by: chrislarry | March 30, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Yep. The passer whose offense was rated #16 in passing yards and #27 in rushing yards is a big fat failure.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 30, 2010 12:58 PM
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I resent that statement. No one ever, ever said Campbell was big and fat.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 30, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Rolle was released (in a gamble) by ARI to avoid the $4M roster bonus + $8M 2010 salary.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 30, 2010 12:52 PM |

What the stats don't show and the reason he was released is that Rolle was burned by opposition WRs on a lot of big plays in 2009.

Posted by: ElDrano | March 30, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

"THE LAST THING I WANT TO SEE IS SAM BRADFORD OR JIMMY CLAUSSEN THROWING THE BALL ALL AROUND THE FIELD AND WE COULDA HAD ONE OF EM'."

The last thing I want to see is Bradford/Clausen echo this career path with the Redskins:

"Should Oakland trade for McNabb, it would be the most stark admission by the Raiders that former No. 1 overall pick JaMarcus Russell has not been the player the team had hoped. Oakland selected Russell with the No. 1 overall pick in the 2007 draft and awarded him a six-year, $68 million contract that included $31.5 million in guaranteed money."

Of course, this could have added pain by seeing Campbell continue his career as a starter for another team a la the aforementioned Trent Green, Brad Johnson, and Rich Gannon trio of former Redskin QBs.

Posted by: psps23 | March 30, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Rumor has it that San Fran has a woodrow for Berry and would be willing to part with their two first rounders for him. There is the insinuation of a trade for you.

Posted by: paulb3rd

If Allen can con the 49er's into giving up 13 and 17 for 4+Berry...

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 30, 2010 12:58 PM

I think we'd be lucky to get #13 and #47 from SF... but if we somehow landed #13 and #17 (maybe by throwing in a 6th or 7th?) I would be ecstatic.

Two starting tackles and either a RB or a QB in the top 37? Sounds good to me.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 30, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I can see Singletary really wanting this guy.

Posted by: Stu27


Singletary only wants winners.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 30, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

BOOK IT!!!

(Legal disclaimer: the phrase "Book it!" is used with the assumed okay of 4thfloor)

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 30, 2010 9:06 AM

Please no.....This is chRIS LARry's TM...not mine.....I just abused it to get my point accross....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 30, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: dcsween | March 30, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Berry would be an AMAZING fit in our defensive backfield. Can you imagine Landry and Berry playing together. Thunder and Lightning would be a defensive catch phrase.

Posted by: JohnMRob | March 30, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

So Phillip Rivers would not have improved the two playoff teams considerably?? Hmmm...

Posted by: chrislarry | March 30, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse
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He's saying that Rivers would never have had a chance to develop, not if you plugged him in NOW he wouldn't have made a difference.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 30, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Stu27;

I did not claim to be an expert in college football. But the point was that he is not the clear cut #1 safety in the draft.

Others like the kid from Texas, who, from his workout, was way more 'fluid in the hips' (i hate that term) and a more natural football player than Berry.

Berry has the speed, hops and hands, but the kid out of texas had the quicks, the brain etc...

So from that vantage point, and that vantage point only, I say no. Because i rely on the 'experts'. And you can trust some more than others, but when they ALL say Okung is the best tackle, i listen. When they disagree to who is the best safety, I listen there as well, but more about what is not said than is said.

So based upon that... i would not gamble that half of them are correct on one vs the other.

Obviously our scouts etc can put a grade on him etc... but we dont know what they think or what they have seen.

So from my meager point of view, which is just slight combine glimpses and expert 'analysis' - he seems like a risky pick at 4.

If you have a counter point other than I did not watch tenn football, i would like to hear it.

Posted by: Zeebs | March 30, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

THE LAST THING I WANT TO SEE IS SAM BRADFORD OR JIMMY CLAUSSEN THROWING THE BALL ALL AROUND THE FIELD AND WE COULDA HAD ONE OF EM'.

So...Mr. Allen and Coach Shanahan, if you think Claussen and Bradford can be "THAT GUY"...have the balls to take him...I'll respect you more.

SICWIDIT!

Posted by: rickyroge

You still wouldn't get to see them throwing the ball around if they were in a Redskins uniform because they'd be on their backs for most of the game.

FIX THE LINE!

Posted by: dcwun | March 30, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

For some reason the Redskins think drafting boatloads of Safeties and Tight Ends will win them Superbowls.......when as a matter of fact, with the exception of Fullbacks and Long Snappers the TE and S positions are the (2) least important positions on the football field.

Posted by: OG_Barno | March 30, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

NOOOOOOOO!!!!!
We need.....
O-LINE, O-LINE, O-LINE!!!!!!
Whats wrong with these people???

Posted by: Kweb8876 | March 30, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

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Good point — Berry, Mays and Chancellor all are going to be better than Moore, who is a product of a huge-money team's hype machine. Berry would be a better pick than either Bradford or Clausen — a lot better than Clausen, who I wouldn't want leading an intramural team.

Posted by: DC2Dallas | March 30, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

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