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Clausen, McCoy fall to second day of NFL draft


At the end of the first round of the NFL draft Thursday night, a couple of big-name quarterbacks were still available. Does the availability of Jimmy Clausen and Colt McCoy change your thinking at all about the McNabb deal?

By Cindy Boren  |  April 23, 2010; 9:00 AM ET
Categories:  NFL Draft  
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Even if they did have it back I would not want them to use it on either of those QB's. I would want them to go T, but I will take McNabb and move on.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 23, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Uhhh...no

Posted by: oh_boy1 | April 23, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

"Clausen, McCoy fall to second day of NFL draft"


It's not that they fell, but that honest professional talent evaluators have decided that they are what they are:

Not all that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

McNabb or the poo-poo platter of Clausen or McCoy? I can't even believe you asked that question. I mean, that's like asking if I'd rather get it on with Alicia Keys, get kicked in the balls, or stabbed in the knee. The choice is pretty obvious...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 23, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Happy with the Williams pick. Guy should be the answer for 10 years or so. Also happy to see Philly and NYG take lineman which for each opf those teams, IMO, equates to just getting a little bit better on a part of the team that was already a strength. Didn’t hear anyone hyping the guy the Eagles got, and the Giants pick could be a risk. They may have each simply added some depth. Dallas, on the other hand….I was thrilled when I saw Seattle get the other safety, but then cringed when I saw that they got Bryant, that was a good pick IMO and really helps them. Now they have 2 solid WR’s to worry about.

I was watching NFL network on line, and for at least the first 9 picks, they had their camera’s on the exact guy who got picked every time. It was pretty impressive. Out of the first 10 picks, they had 9 correct. They even had their camera’s on the CB from Florida the whole time Cleveland was on the clock and they took him…..not bad scouting.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 23, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

"Mike Shanahan says Albert Haynesworth is not on trading block"


I'm so glad we were wrong about this.

Now, about the seventy-five nose tackles we have on the roster....

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Still a lot of good tackles out there. Sixty eight picks later maybe we get a RT.

BRUCE CAMPBELL
CHARLES BROWN

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 23, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I think McNabb will prove to be a steal for what we gave up to get him. He will be super motivated after how he was treated in Philly his whole career. The first time he runs out of the tunnel at Fed Ex field and is greeted by deafening cheers for him, he will feel embraced by his team's fans for the first time. That is bound to elevate his play even higher. I predict a career year for McNabb and a pro bowl appearance.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | April 23, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

McNabb or the poo-poo platter of Clausen or McCoy? I can't even believe you asked that question. I mean, that's like asking if I'd rather get it on with Alicia Keys, get kicked in the balls, or stabbed in the knee. The choice is pretty obvious...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 23, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse


So...stabbed in the knee?

Posted by: duncanrobee | April 23, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

I still can't believe Denver took Tebow over Clausen...that move is either gonna get McDaniels fired or the teflon status Shanahan enjoyed there for so long.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 23, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather they still had the pick and taken one of the following: Charles Brown, Nate Allen, Vlad Ducasse, Mike Johnson, Montario Hardesty, Toby Gerhart, Terrence Cody, Rodger Saffold, Donovan Warren, or Tony Washington over Colt McCoy and Jimmy Clausen.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | April 23, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

"Ladies and Gentlemen, that is a new track record. As it stands now, Jean Girard is sitting on the pole, which is a statement of fact, and is in no way a comment on the driver's sexual orientation"

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 23, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Now, about the seventy-five nose tackles we have on the roster....

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2010 9:10 AM

Would've liked a shot at Big Cody. With the Big Somoan and Cody at NT, it would've really freed the other DLmen to have a great rotation. Not hating though, as I said last night, the Skins came into the draft needing a potential pro bowl LT, and franchise QB from this draft. They got both.

Posted by: TWISI | April 23, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

You know what would be really fun, no crazy trades to jump into the 2nd or 3rd round but to sit on our hands and keep our picks next year. And while everyone else is busy drafting to go work out a contract with Darren Sharper and Wayne Gandy. Sharper would be the ball hawking FS we need and Gandy could be either the starter at RT or great veteran depth should Williams, Heyer, or Hicks struggle.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 23, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

"I was watching NFL network on line, and for at least the first 9 picks, they had their camera’s on the exact guy who got picked every time. It was pretty impressive."


That's all due to M Mayock more than anything.

For the little of the draft I watched, it seemed he had a lot of picks right on.

(He was talking up Gresham to the Bengals all afternoon, for example.)

It would be interesting for a comparison of Mayock v. Kiper v McShay.

I'd say Mayock probably had the most correct picks.

I know I didn't.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

"Mike Shanahan says Albert Haynesworth is not on trading block"

Smoke and mirrors.

"I still can't believe Denver took Tebow over Clausen."

If Clausen was all of that 32 teams would not have passed on him. Mel Kiper was wrong again.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | April 23, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

I predict a career year for McNabb and a pro bowl appearance.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | April 23, 2010 9:13 AM


Hope you're right, but that depends on a bunch of question marks being answered in the affirmative: Will the 2nd round WRs step up their game? Will the O-line be much improved? Will McNabb adjust to the new offense quickly? Will #5 stay healthy?

The potential is there. Let's hope he can live up to it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 23, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

we can keep haynesworth, were not forced to trade him as he is still under contract (we can trade him next year...kinda like what broncos did with marshall)

we NEED to trade campbell no matter what...might as well get something when he will be gone next year for nothing in return

same goes possibly for rogers and mcintosh if the front office doesnt plan on resigning them

Posted by: AhsanFamily | April 23, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

RODGER SAFFOLD
VLAD DUCASSE
JARED VELDHEER
TONY WASHINGTON
ED WANG*
JASON FOX
KYLE CALLOWAY
SAM YOUNG
SELVISH CAPERS
DEREK HARDMAN
ZACK BEADLES
MIKE TEPPER
RAMON HAREWOOD

Lot of potential names for HEYER's competition. Taking care of busines. Halfway there. Let's finish the job at hand with another solid RT pick in the fourth rather than a LB.
CIRON BLACK

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 23, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

I think McNabb will prove to be a steal for what we gave up to get him. He will be super motivated after how he was treated in Philly his whole career. The first time he runs out of the tunnel at Fed Ex field and is greeted by deafening cheers for him, he will feel embraced by his team's fans for the first time. That is bound to elevate his play even higher. I predict a career year for McNabb and a pro bowl appearance.
Posted by: RedskinJim1 | April 23, 2010 9:13 AM

Hopefully the seats will actually be full of Skins fans this year. From watching on TV all of last year, the seats were maybe half full at kickoff, and filled up with a lot of visiting fans. Opening against Dallas on SNF should fill it up though….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 23, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

No picks today, its the weekend, oh!

Posted by: abxinc | April 23, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

I was gonna watch the Caps close out the Habs tonight, anyway . . .

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 23, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

where are all the draft picks for the great jason campbell????????????????????????????????????????????????

Posted by: cavalieri10 | April 23, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

I'm so glad we were wrong about this.

Now, about the seventy-five nose tackles we have on the roster....

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2010 9:10 AM |

They need them so AH can play DE that was the plane the whole time. I think if someone had offered a 1st for AH they might have taken it, but they were never going to trade him for less.

Just more media hype that amounted to nothing.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 23, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

zj, I don't know, if our first next year could get us a couple of seconds, I might be tempted to make that trade.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 23, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

It would be interesting for a comparison of Mayock v. Kiper v McShay.

I'd say Mayock probably had the most correct picks.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2010 9:16 AM


I've been saying this all off-season...Mayock is the man. Kiper and McShay are total jokes, McShay especially. If you flip between the two channels and do the comparison, it's not even close. It's been like this for years.

Speaking of which, did you see over on The Bog where Vinny got showed up by John Clayton on ESPN radio? High comedy...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 23, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

we NEED to trade campbell no matter what...might as well get something when he will be gone next year for nothing in return

Nobody wants him evidently, at least not for any pick worthwhile. I suspect at this point we're looking at a seventh supplemental for him from a team that has one.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 23, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

how does NFL network trot out Mike Irvin, and not realize what a mistake that was?? And who pissed in Steve Young's cheerios last night...every pick was the wrong one....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 23, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

RODGER SAFFOLD
VLAD DUCASSE
JARED VELDHEER
TONY WASHINGTON
ED WANG*
JASON FOX
KYLE CALLOWAY
SAM YOUNG
SELVISH CAPERS
DEREK HARDMAN
ZACK BEADLES
MIKE TEPPER
RAMON HAREWOOD

Lot of potential names for HEYER's competition. Taking care of busines. Halfway there. Let's finish the job at hand with another solid RT pick in the fourth rather than a LB.
CIRON BLACK


Also starring WO FAT as D.C. SMEGMA...

Posted by: frak | April 23, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

What? JC is still with the Skins? Not even a second rounder for him? I thought the whole league was ready to pounce on the opportunity to grab him ... I can't imagine why they don't see the potential ...

Posted by: hock1 | April 23, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

zj, I don't know, if our first next year could get us a couple of seconds, I might be tempted to make that trade.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 23, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

for two 2nds, yeah I'd do that right now, but I doubt that. With our schedule 8-8 would be a very solid season so you have to expect were most likely talking about a mid first and I can't remember the last time a team got two second round picks for a future 1. Regardless, I still hope they go get sharper, it would be very nice to plug a major hole with a solid veteran presence. IMO Sharper could affect our secondary much the way Dawkins elevated the Bronco's secondary last year.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 23, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

And who pissed in Steve Young's cheerios last night...every pick was the wrong one....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 23, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse
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Steve Young is irrelevant. He's the Woody 'No one questions loud' Paige of analysts.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 23, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

"how does NFL network trot out Mike Irvin"

* * *

It was classic listening to Irvin talk about players with character issues (good or bad). I also loved the part when they said the 'Boys would have a support system for Dez Bryant to keep him straight that would include Irvin and Dion. Classic.

Posted by: manlius1 | April 23, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

"It's not that they fell, but that honest professional talent evaluators have decided that they are what they are:Not all that.
Posted by: MistaMoe"

LOL same guys who thought Tim Tebow belonged in the first, Joe Montana in the third, Tom Brady in the sixth, Warren Moon in Canada, and Kurt Warner in the Arena Football League?

It ain't exactly a science yet.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 23, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

I've been saying this all off-season...Mayock is the man. Kiper and McShay are total jokes, McShay especially. If you flip between the two channels and do the comparison, it's not even close. It's been like this for years.

Speaking of which, did you see over on The Bog where Vinny got showed up by John Clayton on ESPN radio? High comedy...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 23, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

While I completely agree Mayock is worlds apart from those two, you got to admit McShay was one of the very few who called Clausen in the 2nd and stuck to that call. Kiper whiffed on Jimmy big time.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 23, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

didn't Kiper have Clausen as the 4th OVERALL player in this draft??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 23, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

It's not that they fell, but that honest professional talent evaluators have decided that they are what they are:

Not all that.

Posted by: MistaMoe

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Drew Brees and Brett Favre beg to differ.

Personally, I think this makes Clausen more dangerous as a pick. Now he's got that Gilbert Arenas burn of getting passed over by everyone in the league (I'm talking old-school, just out of college Gilbert Arenas -- not the wannabe gold-plated, gun-toting Gilbert Arenas).

A team like Buffalo would be lucky to trade up and get Clausen early in the 2nd.

Posted by: psps23 | April 23, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

The Skins would rather start an experienced veteran QB McNabb vs. a rookie (Clausen or McCoy) who would not play and either Grossman or Campbell starting...

Seems like a pretty good use of the 2nd round draft pick.

Posted by: siris | April 23, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

"Mike Shanahan says Albert Haynesworth is not on trading block"

Smoke and mirrors.


Posted by: rmcazz | April 23, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Rumors that Albert Haynesworth ever WAS on the trading block are smoke and mirrors.

Titans just locked up DT Tony Brown with a $17 mill extension.

Lions pick Suh at #2 overall.

Those were the only 2 half-way legit trade partners out there. There's no way they are going to give a king's ransom for AH now that they made those commitments; and there's no way Shallen is dumb enough to move AH unless it is for a king's ransom.

Sorry to disappoint all the haters, but you are just going to have to live with the reality that the Skins are going to keep one of the top 5 DTs in the league...oh, well..

Posted by: p1funk | April 23, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you there, Greg...benching only 23 reps at the combine is a complete embarrassment for an O-lineman. If he gets stronger, he can earn that "Silverback" nickname for real.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 23, 2010 8:20 AM


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*Remember* You and I once discussed the merits of combine stats, but if it makes you feel better...Michael Oher benched 21 reps at the combine and 23 reps at his pro day.

Having played football most of my life I honestly believe there is a big difference between weight room strength and football strength.

My first two years of high school(played at QO with rapper Wale--whose name was Victor back then), I started LG and LOLB and I only weighed 175 and my max bench was 235--the next lightest member on our O-line was 210.

Posted by: Vicc | April 23, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Some random thoughts on the coverage last night:

Seemed like all suspense was killed by the repeated shots of the guys in the green room talking on the phones. Whoever was on the phone, you knew they were getting picked next. I don't remember this being as bad in years past. Are they just inviting more guys now?

Liked having the SP MVP announce the last pick. They should keep that up.

Did anyone see any pics of Williams with Samuels? Seemed like a no-brainer but I've yet to spot one.

Posted by: McMetal | April 23, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

I think this second roud is going to be "Judgment Day" regarding the prospects for trading JC17.

With guys like Clausen and McCoy still out there, I'm wondering what our potential "trading partners" (Carolina/Buffalo) are going to do.

Posted by: p1funk | April 23, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully the seats will actually be full of Skins fans this year. From watching on TV all of last year, the seats were maybe half full at kickoff, and filled up with a lot of visiting fans. Opening against Dallas on SNF should fill it up though….

Posted by: dlhaze1

I only went to 2 games last season but at those 2 games the stands were filled with Skins fans - they just arrived late. I was worried when we arrived at how empty it was but my friend (who goes to most games) told me Skins fans AlWAYS arrive late.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 23, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Are people really still debating the merits of all these rumor-mongering mock draft talking heads??

These guys are yahoos.

Everytime an NFL GM cuts a loud fart, they fall over each other trying to scoop the next guy with a big draft/trade rumor.

Fact is, many of us could have (and pretty much did!) pretty much predict the top order of this draft with Bradford-Suh-McCoy-Williams -Berry-Okung going in the top 6.

Posted by: p1funk | April 23, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Where is 4thFloor?

My guess is probably in the house under the covers with the shades drawn with a stench of boiling crow coming from his kitchen...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 23, 2010 8:58 AM

Actually, he's in India (w/his mother whose sister whose not at all well, like very bad ... and you gotta believe that getting airfare to India on 24 hours notice is cheap).

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Vicc, what I said was that if you base a prospect's worth SOLELY on the combine numbers, you're destined to whiff on just about every pick. They're not completely worthless per se, but there's no doubt the film is what matters most.

So while his bench press isn't the end-all-be-all, I doubt anyone would debate whether Williams should be hitting the weight room this offseason.

zjfr2, the Claussen pick wasn't exactly stepping out on a limb for McShay. Besides, Kiper's argument (at least what he backpedaled to yesterday) is that regardless of where Claussen is drafted, he's the best QB in this draft. I guess we'll see if there's any truth to that.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 23, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Skins would have been much better off getting Clausen instead of McNabb. McNabb has been beaten up for 11 years.. he's had a lot of injuries.. few people expect he will last 16 games this year. And last but not least.. the Eagles thought so little of him they gave him away to a division rival. Clausen meanwhile could be the franchise QB the Skins have been looking for since Rypien.. He could be a starter on this team for the next 10 to 15 years.. and 2nd round doesn't scare me.. Brees wasn't picked until the 2nd round either. BUT there is still hope.. Shanahan wants to trade AH.. could Skins still get Clausen by trading into the 2nd round??? Shanahan should try...

Posted by: sovine08 | April 23, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

My first two years of high school(played at QO with rapper Wale--whose name was Victor back then), I started LG and LOLB and I only weighed 175 and my max bench was 235--the next lightest member on our O-line was 210.

Posted by: Vicc | April 23, 2010 9:42 AM |

Vicc,

You went to QO I was over there the other day, I took my daughter to see there Varsity Softball team play.

She will be a Screaming Eagle in a few years.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 23, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

I still can't believe Denver took Tebow over Clausen ...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 23, 2010 9:14 AM

Then you missed Gruden's QB camp videos. One is an athlete and the other is a d!ck. [The thought process is that Kansas City would have pulled the trigger on Jimmy but that FS was a more pressing need than QB.]

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

zjfr2, the Claussen pick wasn't exactly stepping out on a limb for McShay. Besides, Kiper's argument (at least what he backpedaled to yesterday) is that regardless of where Claussen is drafted, he's the best QB in this draft. I guess we'll see if there's any truth to that.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 23, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse


Isn't Kiper BFFs with Vinny Cerratto? Do they have common ties to Notre Dame? Is that the reason behind the Clausen love?

BTW, I did not see any draft coverage, but I'm wondering how our bug-eyed squirrely-voiced former-Exec VP for Football Ops did with hsi coverage?

Posted by: p1funk | April 23, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I was watching NFL network on line, and for at least the first 9 picks, they had their camera’s on the exact guy who got picked every time. It was pretty impressive. Out of the first 10 picks, they had 9 correct. They even had their camera’s on the CB from Florida the whole time Cleveland was on the clock and they took him…..not bad scouting.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 23, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

It's pretty simple actually, they had the camera on the guy who just got the phone call from the team drafting him. Mayock is the man but he was wrong about TW to the skins, nice smokescreen by Shanny.

Posted by: BallsDeep | April 23, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

be interesting to watch/compare Okung/Williams through their careers, as well as who filthy picks at 37...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 23, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

It's not that they fell, but that honest professional talent evaluators have decided that they are what they are:
Not all that.
Posted by: MistaMoe
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Are these the same honest professional talent evaluators who passed up on Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees and Tom Brady??

Posted by: sovine08 | April 23, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

BUT there is still hope.. Shanahan wants to trade AH.. could Skins still get Clausen by trading into the 2nd round??? Shanahan should try...

Posted by: sovine08 | April 23, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse


Shanny wants to trade AH?

What gives you that impression?

Is it the dozen or so statements that have been issued saying that he does NOT want to trade AH?

Funny world we live in...

Yeah, let's give up AH in order to go get Clausen...great move.

Posted by: p1funk | April 23, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

You know what would be really fun, no crazy trades to jump into the 2nd or 3rd round but to sit on our hands and keep our picks next year. And while everyone else is busy drafting to go work out a contract with Darren Sharper and Wayne Gandy. Sharper would be the ball hawking FS we need and Gandy could be either the starter at RT or great veteran depth should Williams, Heyer, or Hicks struggle.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 23, 2010 9:15 AM

More than just fun, that's some actual wisdom up here. I've never had a problem with signing guys who you know can play over drafting guys you think can play. [My problem is the overpaying part.] After today, a few more starters with big salaries at positions of need are going to become available. I'm thinking Chad Clifton or Mark Tauscher just became available too.

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Vicc,

You went to QO I was over there the other day, I took my daughter to see there Varsity Softball team play.

She will be a Screaming Eagle in a few years.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 23, 2010 9:49 AM

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Yes, but only for the 1st two years of high school.

Speaking of the Screaming Eagles, not sure if you are into basketball, but remember this name: "Bruce Massey"

He graduated last year and is playing in Kansas right now. Give him 2 years.

I used to ball with this youngin' and he will play in the NBA someday. Kid is a lockdown defender!

Posted by: Vicc | April 23, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone else notice the tension between Kiper and Berman during the telecast?

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 23, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

where are all the draft picks for the great jason campbell????????????????????????????????????????????????

Posted by: cavalieri10 | April 23, 2010 9:23 AM
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I think its more of an indictment of Snyder, by the other NFL owners, than JC.
(does this make me a JC apologist?)

The biggest lesson Shanny and Bruce Allen are learning during this Draft is how much Snyder is disliked around the league by the other owners.
AH, JC, AC, RM.. trade deals should be in place by now...but, most owners do not want to "bail out" Dan Snyder from his mistakes or assist him in rebuilding the Skins.... Last year, was another revealing moment to support this point, when Snyder unsuccessfully and desperately called other teams to trade JC for a 3rd rounder to create a package for moving up to acquire Sanchez.
The owners told Snyder to beat sand.. And Bruce Allen and Shanny are sadly seeing this, first hand, when their phone calls are not being returned.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 23, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

NFL Network should go all in, push their cards to the middle of the table, and bring in Emmitt Smith, and pair him with Irvin, and Deion...it would be a debacled against the english language...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 23, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

the Eagles thought so little of him they gave him away to a division rival. Clausen meanwhile could be the franchise QB the Skins have been looking for since Rypien.

Posted by: sovine08 | April 23, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

I would hardly call demanding a high second-rounder and a sixth for a guy "giving him away." And, yes, Clausen could turn out to be a "franchise QB." He could also turn out to be a total bust. McNabb is a proven commodity.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 23, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

word, sween? I didn't know that...

I feel like sh*t now, my b.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 23, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

It would be interesting for a comparison of Mayock v. Kiper v McShay.

I'd say Mayock probably had the most correct picks.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2010 9:16 AM

Here's a link to Mayock's final mock draft for all you guys who are convinced that he's the King of the draft:

http://www.fangsbites.com/2010/04/mike-mayocks-final-mock-draft-for-2010.html

By my count he was right on 7 of 32 picks. Lot of guys had the first four picks right then blowed up. BeantownGreg was up here earlier saying that Kiper had only 6 right and that Beantown, himself, could do better than that so I guess he must be Mike Mayock. Beantown can't even copy a post off PFT but thinks he's a draft gururu?

Think about it. When the draft begins, only one team knows who its going to be picking. The other 31 have a bunch of contingency plans. Factor in trades (there were 11 last night) and the weird picks (Alualu at 10 -- which sounds like a body rub) and you can see why Beantown thinks he's a genius and Kiper is a pot of clam chowdah.

A better test might be a bit broader. How did they do in the first round? I'm not going to work it out for all of them but for Mayock, 26 of his first round picks actually got chosen and six are slipping to later rounds. Beantown probably would have come in higher, but my own guess is that Kiper would be right around where Mayock is.

Posted by: League-Source | April 23, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Shanny wants to trade AH? What gives you that impression? Is it the dozen or so statements that have been issued saying that he does NOT want to trade AH?
Funny world we live in...
Yeah, let's give up AH in order to go get Clausen...great move.
Posted by: p1funk
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There were a lot of reports Shanahan offered AH to philly for McNabb.. other reports the Shanahan offered AH back to Tenn.. As far as what Shanahan says.. well Mike also said Campbell would get a chance to start a couple of days before he signed McNabb. And getting Clausen would be a great move.. a franchise QB for a guy who doesn't want to be here.. doesn't want to play in a 3-4 defense. To me the problem isn't the Skins don't want Clausen the problem is who will give up their 2nd round pick for AH.

Posted by: sovine08 | April 23, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

the Eagles thought so little of him they gave him away to a division rival. Clausen meanwhile could be the franchise QB the Skins have been looking for since Rypien.

Posted by: sovine08 | April 23, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

I would hardly call demanding a high second-rounder and a sixth for a guy "giving him away." And, yes, Clausen could turn out to be a "franchise QB." He could also turn out to be a total bust. McNabb is a proven commodity.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 23, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

not too mention, Rypien wasn't exactly a "franchise QB". He had a couple nice years and that's it and won a super bowl. He never threw for 4000 yards, he only broke 3000 3 times, he only had two years ever with a rating higher than JC did last year.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 23, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

"Did anyone else notice the tension between Kiper and Berman during the telecast?"

Didn't what the draft, so I can't say.

But I'd venture a guess that Kiper probably feels the draft broadcast is his once a year chance to be seen and wants the floor to himself.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 23, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I still LOVE the McNabb deal.

Now I just wish there was a chance that the Redskins could use their expendable players to somehow get whomever Shanahan likes better between Clausen & McCoy (my choice would be McCoy) as the heir apparent to McNabb.

I don't want them dealing away the 2011 1st rounder to get the deal done. But, if they can deal Haynesworth, Campbell, etc. to get one of the higher 2nd rounders, I'd be down.

Although, a deal to get Terrence Cody to play NT might be nice, too.

Posted by: jamesweise | April 23, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: Vicc | April 23, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

POST DRAFT HANGOVER:

Ya think Pickle's association with Cerrato contributed to his demise in round 1?

Michael Irvin to be Dez Bryant's mentor? Perhaps I heard that incorrectly, but it
seems that the Dallas support group worked out well with Pac Man!


Michael Irvin to be Dez Bryant's mentor? Perhaps I heard that incorrectly, but it
seems that the Dallas support worked out well with Pac Man!

Posted by: Spanglerg | April 23, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Skins fans always arrive late because the parking lot was designed to mimic downtown Boston.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, RFK emptied out, directly onto 395.

Posted by: BT23 | April 23, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

BUT there is still hope.. Shanahan wants to trade AH.. could Skins still get Clausen by trading into the 2nd round??? Shanahan should try...

Posted by: sovine08 | April 23, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse
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no player stands up to Shanny and refuses to attend workouts... AH is gone.. A deal will be made, somehow..
Shanny has always eliminated players in the past who have challenged his authority.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 23, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

where are all the draft picks for the great jason campbell????????????????????????????????????????????????

Posted by: cavalieri10 | April 23, 2010 9:23 AM
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I think its more of an indictment of Snyder, by the other NFL owners, than JC.
(does this make me a JC apologist?)

The biggest lesson Shanny and Bruce Allen are learning during this Draft is how much Snyder is disliked around the league by the other owners.
AH, JC, AC, RM.. trade deals should be in place by now...but, most owners do not want to "bail out" Dan Snyder from his mistakes or assist him in rebuilding the Skins.... Last year, was another revealing moment to support this point, when Snyder unsuccessfully and desperately called other teams to trade JC for a 3rd rounder to create a package for moving up to acquire Sanchez.
The owners told Snyder to beat sand.. And Bruce Allen and Shanny are sadly seeing this, first hand, when their phone calls are not being returned.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 23, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I think it's more of an indication that the other teams think that the 'Skins will eventually cut JC, and then they can pick him up for less than the 3 mil. + that he is currently due to earn, and no compensation to the 'Skins.

I don't buy your theory that other teams won't deal with the 'Skins because their owners hate DS. First, teams HAVE traded with the 'Skins throughout Snyder's tenure as owner. The fact that many of those deals have favored the other team is more a function of the 'Skins' past managerial incompetence than of any vendetta against Snyder. Second, most of the other teams in the league (certainly most of the well-run teams) don't appear to have owners who meddle in the teams' personnel matters, and those that do meddle would probably want their teams to do what is in THEIR best interests, regardless of whether it would mean dealing with the 'Skins or not.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 23, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone else notice the tension between Kiper and Berman during the telecast?

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 23, 2010 9:57 AM

They had just decided to stop dating right before the broadcast.

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

What, Haynesworth, Landry, McCintosh, and Carter were all on the trading block? And I didn't hear a report of even a 7th rounder being offered for any of them. Guess nobody was interested in any of them at all. Not. We only hear what is let out. Who knows what conversations/thinking is going on around the league about all of these guys. Again, stop hating on JC. Let it be.

Posted by: kenboy1 | April 23, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

But I do wish we had the 3rd rounder back...

Posted by: eyekey416 | April 23, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Hey Brownwood, Alicia told me you're not going to be on her speeddial in the near future, so settle for the kick in the balls.
Folks, McNabb has always been about personal stats, not about winning. He was fortunate to come into the NFC East at a time when Dallas and the Skins were in a down cycle and the Jints were just so-so. The defining moment of his career was when he barfed up his halftime burrito at the Super Bore..damn right I wish we had those picks back..we could have traded down, gotten a lower #1 packaged with a veteran lineman, then still had a relatively decent shot at another potential starter on the o-line with the next pick. We already had a starting quarterback here, he just needed protection. Good luck Donovan, you better shed about 20 lbs because you're going to be running for your life this season. After 2 months of Allen and Shanahan(one coasting by on his father's name, the other still living off John Elway), Vinny is looking real good. Do a wikipedia search for "Redskins Draft Picks"- almost all of Vinny's 1st and 2nd rounders became starters or significant contributors and stayed here for years..
Wake up Danny, "name" GM's and coaches don't solve the problem..Allen and Shanahan must go..

Posted by: markappraiser1 | April 23, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Offensive line, offensive line, offensive line. They could have selected one in the second round (or traded down for more picks in the 3rd or 4th) and given JC another shot. The Eagles wouldn't trade McNabb within the division if he had anything left or was worth the $11 million+. Rex Grossman is the biggest joke I have ever seen as a starting QB. And, what is the other guys name? This is a "no brainer".

Posted by: KDSmallJr | April 23, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

we do have a third round pick in this draft. We already used it on Jeremy Jarmon. why can't you guys understand that?
seems like a good third rounder before he got hurt..

Posted by: dean4 | April 23, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Hey Ray, 32 teams passed on Tom Brady, too.
Looked how that turned out..lemme tell you, these "professional talent evaluators" that you refer to, well, none of them are named Einstein..

Posted by: markappraiser1 | April 23, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

It seems teams are being pretty tight fisted with their draft picks, with the exception of the McNabb deal, most of the player for draft pick deals have, IMO, given realtively low value in draft picks given up for the player(s) obtained. Maybe nobody will offer even a 5th for JC now, but maybe nobody will offer even a 3rd for Haynesworth or a 5th for McIntosh or Carter. That doesn't mean those players are worthless, it just means teams are being miserly with their draft picks.

Posted by: kenboy1 | April 23, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

we do have a third round pick in this draft. We already used it on Jeremy Jarmon. why can't you guys understand that?
seems like a good third rounder before he got hurt..

Posted by: dean4 | April 23, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

He'll be pretty good as the other outside linebacker in a 3-4. I still like that pick.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | April 23, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Oh, my country for a Right Tackle...

What happened to Heyer? He came on like a stud then faded like gelding...had high hopes for that kid

Posted by: kahlua87 | April 23, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

AH played 78% of the defense snaps last year, league average is 75%. why do we kill him for this? it's been said the Redskins off season workout program (which he attented last year was a outright joke) why do we kill for going back to the trainer that got him to pro bowl/best defensive player in the league status.. seems to me he's taking matters into his own hands to get back to that level, maybe he realize just how badly out of space he was last year, and is doing something about it ?

Posted by: dean4 | April 23, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

IMO New England couldn't possibly do any better than give up their two number 2's for Haynesworth. A number 2 may or may not ever be a good player. Haynesworth is proven to be a great DT, although not for us. Everyone plays better in New England, or they pack their bags. This gives us a starting RT and a good shot at another starter, or project QB, Clusen\McCoy. We rid ourselves of a talented malcontent. Hynesworth and wilfork would be dangerous to other teams.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | April 23, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

The fall of the QBs has a lot to say about the crap shoot that is picking a QB in the draft.

For Bradford it will be boom or bust.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 23, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse


the Eagles thought so little of him they gave him away to a division rival. Clausen meanwhile could be the franchise QB the Skins have been looking for since Rypien.

Posted by: sovine08 | April 23, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

I would hardly call demanding a high second-rounder and a sixth for a guy "giving him away." And, yes, Clausen could turn out to be a "franchise QB." He could also turn out to be a total bust. McNabb is a proven commodity.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 23, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

not too mention, Rypien wasn't exactly a "franchise QB". He had a couple nice years and that's it and won a super bowl. He never threw for 4000 yards, he only broke 3000 3 times, he only had two years ever with a rating higher than JC did last year.
Posted by: zjfr2
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At this point I'll take a couple of nice years and a Super Bowl.. you wouldn't?? If Clausen could give us that you still wouldn't want him? And yes McNabb is a proven veteran (who never won a SB BTW) but he has also taken a lot of hits and had a lot of injuries over the years.. he is not a long term solution. Could Clausen be a bust yes.. is that worth the risk with a 2nd round pick.. YES!!!

Posted by: sovine08 | April 23, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I think Joshy has a trick up his sleeve with Tebow... H-Back, Wildcat.

That is Tebow's game.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 23, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

rypien a franchise(what-ever that is)qb and clausen could be the next one for washington? those 2 statements are dumb and dumber,other than throwing a deep ball rypien was not much of a qb,clausen from what I have saw is just another "great white hope and not much of a arm maybe "touchdown jesus(zeus)will save him and some team will pick him in the 4th round or later.

Posted by: wathu19 | April 23, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Jason Reid, why do you ask these seelly questions?

Posted by: richs91 | April 23, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I wish they still had the pick, but not to take a QB. There are still good OLinemen out there. One more and they would have had a line good enough to give Campbell enough time to see the field and they wouldn't need a QB. And, they NEVER needed a QB with only 2-3 years left in his career, because you can't get good enough in that time frame to do more than just contend for the last wild card spot.

Posted by: dolph924 | April 23, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I think McNabb will prove to be a steal for what we gave up to get him. He will be super motivated after how he was treated in Philly his whole career. The first time he runs out of the tunnel at Fed Ex field and is greeted by deafening cheers for him, he will feel embraced by his team's fans for the first time. That is bound to elevate his play even higher. I predict a career year for McNabb and a pro bowl appearance.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | April 23, 2010 9:13 AM

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well said!

I think McNabb is gonna feel how to be truly be embraced by a city! He will make everyone around him better and all the Skins players are gonna be more motivated than ever this year because it is a new era for the burgundy and gold! McNabb is gonna torch the Cow-Girls on opening night.
And totally destroy the Igglets on Week 4 at Philly! BOOK IT!!!

McNabb to the Pro Bowl. Osack-Po is gonna get 15+ sacks this year and He'll go to the Pro Bowl again along with McNabb, Fletcher and our new LT Trent "Silverback" Williams!

Posted by: datruth21 | April 23, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

rypien a franchise(what-ever that is)qb and clausen could be the next one for washington? those 2 statements are dumb and dumber,other than throwing a deep ball rypien was not much of a qb,clausen from what I have saw is just another "great white hope and not much of a arm maybe "touchdown jesus(zeus)will save him and some team will pick him in the 4th round or later.
Posted by: wathu19
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Rypien was good enough to get voted to the pro bowl twice, get the Redskins in the playoffs 3 years in a row and win a Super Bowl (I call that franchise).. Can name the Redskin QB who we had since who did as well??? And I should discount Clausen "from what you saw"??? Hmmm why do I think you liked what you saw with Campbell??? How well did he work out? In the 2nd round Clausen will be a steal for whatever team gets him.. And we'll see how well he does.

Posted by: sovine08 | April 23, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Still a lot of good tackles out there. Sixty eight picks later maybe we get a RT.

BRUCE CAMPBELL
CHARLES BROWN
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Ash from Evil Dead and a Peanut is still on the board. Draft'em!

Posted by: fmccain | April 23, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

We were considering taking Clausen with the 4th overall pick, so I'm wondering why we're not hearing anything about the Skins trying to trade up to get Clausen in the second round. There is no doubt that he's a tremendous value here (both in terms of what you'd have to pay him and in terms of what you'd have to give up). If before the draft started we landed a trade that would have guaranteed us Clausen (to learn behind McNabb) AND Trent Williams for a second rounder next year, one of our lower picks this year, and Rocky McIntosh or JC, (or even Cooley/ Davis), people would have said it was the best trade ever. Now that Clausen has dropped, we're not even discussing it? Fortune favors the bold- go get your QB of the future Skins...

Posted by: jmadams | April 23, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

If the Clausen situation isn't proof of the fraud Mel Crapper Jr. and his big bored are, what else do we need?

I did something interesting last night during the draft. I left the room twice when Crapper was talking and when I returned I asked my guests what I had missed. They all said in unison nothing.

Posted by: pjente | April 23, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

If the Clausen situation isn't proof of the fraud Mel Crapper Jr. and his big bored are, what else do we need?

I did something interesting last night during the draft. I left the room twice when Crapper was talking and when I returned I asked my guests what I had missed. They all said in unison nothing.

Posted by: pjente | April 23, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I wish the Skins could un-do the McNabb trade and get their picks back .... but not to take Clausen or McCoy.

Posted by: DC2Dallas | April 23, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I did something interesting last night during the draft. I left the room twice when Crapper was talking and when I returned I asked my guests what I had missed. They all said in unison nothing.
Posted by: pjente
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Are you kidding.. you wouldn't have missed anything if Burman, Jackson, Young or Gruden was talking either.. as far as Clausen hate to break it to you but a lot of guys have dropped in the draft only to turn out to be stars later... Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees and Tom Brady to name a few... Looks like Clausen was a reach in the top ten.. but now??? Some team will get a steal taking him now..

Posted by: sovine08 | April 23, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Everyone ask yourselves a question. What if McNabb has a bad year? Then what?

Posted by: SkinsWins | April 23, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

This is working out well. If JC17 stays, we're a much better team.

I would have to say, Grossman is about the least desirable option at QB. I just plain think the guy is HO-rrific. Super Bowl, yeah. I saw. He was a severe liability the whole year. They lost to the Redskins that year, 9-6. Should have blown our doors off. Remember? Grossman threw 2 or 3 INTs to Sean Taylor. I remember thinking that there was NO Way the guy was gonna connect on a 3rd and long pass.

HE'S not an NFL QB. Campbell will send him packing in a real competition. Please.

Posted by: Thinker_ | April 23, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

McNabb is proven NFL quality. McCoy is a possible NFL starter. I'd take McNabb any day. Now watch McCoy go to the Raider and FLOUNDER.

Posted by: jmpotratz | April 23, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

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