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Jimmy Clausen defends his reputation on the field and off

To hear ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay tell it, former Notre Dame quarterback Jimmy Clausen lacks leadership skills and maturity. Other than that, Clausen apparently is a pretty good guy.

"I have no idea why he says that," Clausen said Wednesday in a lengthy phone interview. "People are just going to say what they want to say. But at the end of the day, I am who I am. And the people who really know who I am, know the type of person that I am - a loving, caring person [who's] a pretty good football player and a great leader on the field and off the field."

On Wednesday, McShay was covering the pro day at the University of Texas and unavailable for comment, an ESPN spokesman said. Draft analyst Mel Kiper, McShay's ESPN colleague, has praised Clausen, saying he grew into an outstanding leader at Notre Dame. And Vinny Cerrato, formerly Washington's executive vice president of football operations, recently expressed confidence Clausen could become a top NFL signal caller.

The Redskins are scheduled to conduct a private workout in South Bend, Ind., with Clausen on April 15. The former Fighting Irish standout is widely considered the second-best quarterback in the draft behind former Oklahoma star Sam Bradford.

Bradford seemed to solidify his status as the No. 1 overall player Monday at his pro day. The 2008 Heisman Trophy winner, however, did not play in a pro-style offense as Clausen did at Notre Dame.

"I think the biggest upside that I have, and one of the things that I have over all the quarterbacks in the draft, is I've played in a pro-style offense," Clausen said. "I know how to change protections. I know how to make alerts to get to a better play. Sometimes you call two, three plays in the huddle. You have to know whether [the defense] is in an over front, even front or if they're in an off front. I know how to call the Mike ID every single time. I just know my hot [reads] and my side adjusts. It's just a lot of different things that in different offenses, spread offenses, that you wouldn't see."

Even McShay has acknowledged Clausen might be the most NFL-ready quarterback in this year's draft class because of Notre Dame's offensive scheme under former coach Charlie Weis, who played a role in the development of Pro Bowl quarterback Tom Brady when Weis directed the New England Patriots' offense.

"Just being able to be taught by coach Weis, and understand how to study film, not just to go in there and watch the film but really understand it, really helped me," Clausen said. "To be able to look at the fronts, look at how the linebackers are lined up, see if they're in the bubble, or if they're in the A gap ... that's important for our team. To look at the leverage of the corners, and the depth of the safeties, and understand what they're doing is important. It was just real, real detailed film study, which translates to the game on Saturdays."

To be sure, Clausen produced at Notre Dame despite the team's overall lack of success under Weis, which led to his ouster after last season. Despite often being battered behind a line that struggled in pass protection, Clausen improved statistically each season. He declared for the draft after a junior year in which he completed 68.8 percent of his passes for 3,722 yards with 28 touchdowns and only four interceptions. He had a 161.42 passer rating.

As a junior, Clausen was elected a team captain. He also displayed his mettle in playing most of the season with toe ligaments he injured in September. He had surgery after the season and has resumed his normal workout routine. Bradford missed most of last season after suffering two shoulder injuries during a span of six weeks.

If being elected as a captain and playing through pain doesn't show what type of person he really is, "then nothing will," Clausen said. "If I was as bad of a leader and as bad of a teammate and person that [McShay's] portraying me to be out there, I don't think anybody would have voted for me as a captain.

"To be honest, I don't think my receivers would have come out to stay at my house with my family for a week last year before the past season in the summertime. There are just a lot of things he says that I really don't get. But that's just another person who really doesn't know who I am as a person."

If Bradford is selected first by the St. Louis Rams, Clausen figures to be available when the Redskins choose at fourth overall. Coach Mike Shanahan is believed to be highly interested in drafting and "raising" a quarterback.

"I only think I'm going to get better playing in the NFL, and to be coached by another great coach like Coach Shanahan will just help me progress that much more," Clausen said. "Washington uses a different system than what he used at Notre Dame. It's a West Coast system.

"At the same time it's pretty much the same stuff; just different terminology. You have to get used to the terminology. I'd have to get used to it, but at the end of the day it's pretty much the same concept. Just the verbiage is different. But like I said, I'd love to play under coach Shanahan. I think it would be a great situation for me."

By Jason Reid  |  March 31, 2010; 3:12 PM ET
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Comments

Enough already with this chooch... good grief...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 31, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Guy should just punch Todd McShay in the face. Actions speak louder than words. Don't talk the talk, punch the punch.

Posted by: League-Source | March 31, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Nate verified it on the last thread, he does love to **** birds and other winged animals, except apparently unicorns. Which is weird because I think if anything most of us would probably **** the unicorn before the hummingbird.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 31, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"Coach Mike Shanahan is believed to be highly interested in drafting and "raising" a quarterback."

Please, please, please do not write this anymore...it's like the 100th time. And total conjecture.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 31, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

To me, the review that Clausen is recieving, sounds similar to what was percieved about Joe Theismann in his early days. Go figure, we know how Theismann turned out! I'd rather have a confident QB any day. There is 2 sides to every story.

Posted by: madalao | March 31, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

So 3 of the teams we play in pre-season fly the fourth I am told has 10 cent wings with blue cheese.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 31, 2010 3:47 PM

And the Redskins are going to scalp all four of them. Whoops, I guess that's not PC anymore, right? Scalp tickets, not palefaces.

Posted by: League-Source | March 31, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Don't know much about Clausen, but he does fight back.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 31, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

"I think the biggest upside that I have, and one of the things that I have over all the quarterbacks in the draft, is I've played in a pro-style offense," Clausen said. "I know how to change protections. I know how to make alerts to get to a better play. Sometimes you call two, three plays in the huddle. You have to know whether [the defense] is in an over front, even front or if they're in an off front. I know how to call the Mike ID every single time. I just know my hot [reads] and my side adjusts. It's just a lot of different things that in different offenses, spread offenses, that you wouldn't see."
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Damm Clausen can do this... Campbell can't do it and he has been in the league 5 years!!!!

Posted by: sovine08 | March 31, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

"Coach Mike Shanahan is believed to be highly interested in drafting and "raising" a quarterback."

Please, please, please do not write this anymore...it's like the 100th time. And total conjecture.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 31, 2010 3:55 PM

And, it's bad writing. These quarterbacks were already raised by their parents. Shanahan may want to train one, but too late to "raise" one.

Posted by: League-Source | March 31, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Conjunction junction, what's your function?

Posted by: RedDMV | March 31, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

this guy talks like he knows what he's doing ... more than i can say for jason campbell

Posted by: bestmick1 | March 31, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

To me, the review that Clausen is recieving, sounds similar to what was percieved about Joe Theismann in his early days. Go figure, we know how Theismann turned out! I'd rather have a confident QB any day. There is 2 sides to every story.
Posted by: madalao
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Exactly.. it's what I've been saying. Clausen maybe cocky but so was Theismann and we did alright with him.. Another number 7 out of Notre Dame.. Deja vu all over again...

Posted by: sovine08 | March 31, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Anybody thinking Vinnie is giving Mel a reach around to help make McShay look like (more of) an azz hat?

I'm not sure Mel welcomed the new kid on the block horning in on his schtick.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 31, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"And the people who really know who I am, know the type of person that I am - a loving, caring person [who's] a pretty good football player"


We can only be so lucky to draft a pretty good football player who is so loving and caring.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 31, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Business Confidential:
SNYDER SECRETLY STOCKPILING THIRD STRING QBS

ASHBURN, VA – It’s an economics lesson as old as Adam Smith and his classic teachings about the laws of supply and demand. Essentially, if you have a good supply of an in-demand item, you can usually sell it for a profit.

But the real barons of business and industry are seldom content with just turning a profit. They’ll ask, why just compete for a profit when you can “corner” a market by singlehandedly controlling a substantial share of a limited supply and high-demand item that – if properly tendered and traded – could allow you to make a real killing in the marketplace?

Redskin Outsider has learned that the Redskins scouting and coaching staffs have been spending most of the off-season traveling around the country in search of third string quarterbacks. According to our sources, team owner Dan Snyder put out the edict that he wants the Redskins to be known from here forward and forevermore as the “supplier of choice” for third string quarterbacks.

According to business analysts, Snyder’s choice of this unique market niche is not really as odd as it might appear to some outsiders. Frankly, the team has already been dealing in third string quarterbacks for years.

Posted by: Vic1 | March 31, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

So is Colt basically packing his bags? I not a big Colt fan but I haven't really heard what Shanahan thinks of him. Have you been able to ask the coach about this Mr. Reid?

Posted by: RiggoisDrunk | March 31, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

So is Colt basically packing his bags? I'm not a big Colt fan but I haven't really heard what Shanahan thinks of him. Have you been able to ask the coach about this Mr. Reid?

Posted by: RiggoisDrunk | March 31, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I do not want a QB with the 4th pick. Call me stupid but I do not like putting the wagon before the horse. The idea of taking a young QB before we have a solid offensive line scares me. I know he'll probably sit for a year but I do not like having rookie lineman playing in front of a QB who is starting for the first time. Too many "rookie mistakes" will occur and I am not trying to see our young QB broken before hes gotten a chance...

Lets get some lineman this year... give them a year to learn with Campbell behind them... (letting him get nailed) and then take our young Qb next year... ie the Jets and Mark Sanchez...

Improve that supporting cast around him so that they can help him and enable him to come in and succeed... thats the best way to play a rookie/young QB in my opinion. Taking a young QB and putting him out their with mediocre talent around him is only going to make it harder for him and make it more likely that he'll fail...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 31, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Business Confidential:
SNYDER SECRETLY STOCKPILING THIRD STRING QBS

Part 2

For example, the knock on current “starting” quarterback Jason Campbell is that he is a strong-armed but inaccurate passer who tries to do as well as he can with his limited skill set, but has yet to display the necessary finesse to handle some of the finer points of a modern NFL passing scheme. For example, Campbell appears to have great difficulty in consistently throwing an accurate fade pattern to a receiver running to the outer edge of the end zone -- admittedly one of the most difficult throws in the game -- or consistently completing timing patterns to pass receivers cutting to the sidelines.

Campbell’s defenders will tell you that is as accurate and effective as any other quarterback in the game, and readily quote statistics that seem to show him to be a middle-of-the pack and improving player. Unfortunately, they neglect to mention that this quarterback seems to rely more than most on a unusually high number of screen passes and other short-yardage “dink and dump” passes to outlet receivers.

All in all, Campbell seems to embody the best attributes of a modern third string quarterback in that he is somewhat competent, relatively quiet (to the point being almost a non-entity when it comes field leadership), respected by many (but not all) of his teammates, and modestly priced. (Despite having played five years in the league and starting for three, he is still working on a rookie contract that will pays him a modest $4 million this year.)

Then the key question becomes, can the Redskins – or for that matter, any other team -- win with Campbell?

Probably not.

After enduring an ever-changing series of coaches and offensive schemes over the past several years, even Campbell admits that he must “unlearn” many of the “bad lessons” he picked up from earlier coaches before he can successfully move on with a new coach or offensive system.

But still, many Redskin Outsiders will tell you that if you surround Campbell with 10 Pro Bowl caliber players, and give him a very simple offensive scheme, as well as lots of coaching and patience, well then he may not embarrass himself or the rest of the team too badly.

Posted by: Vic1 | March 31, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Business Confidential:
SNYDER SECRETLY STOCKPILING THIRD STRING QBS

Part 3

The challenge, of course, is finding another team that might have a demand for a quarterback such as Campbell. And thus far, there appear to be few, if any takers.

Much of the same goes with new Redskin quarterback Rex Grossman. After falling last season into third place on the quarterback depth chart with the Houston Texans, the quarterback formerly known as “Sexy Rexy” was released by the Texans and brought into Washington by new offensive coordinator Kurt Shanahan. The story goes that Grossman will help install and teach Shanahan’s offensive scheme to the Washington quarterbacking corps, and maybe even compete with Campbell for the “starting” quarterback role.

However, team insiders just give you a glazed stare when you remind that that Grossman was signed to a one-year contract and for league near-minimum rates – which can only lead this writer to conclude that he is probably little more than another modestly competent and modestly priced third string quarterback who should be available soon for trading to other teams.

Snyder seems to appreciate the value of trades and “other considerations,” and particularly the latter. During this year’s pre-Superbowl parties hosted by the eventual league champion New Orleans Saints, Snyder got to party with all sorts of celebrities and groupies, including Saints runner Reggie Rush and his (then) girlfriend Kim Kardashian, and Hollywood comedy actress Cameron Diaz.

Few seemed to draw the correlation that the both backup quarterbacks on the Saints roster – Mark Brunell and Chase Daniel -- spent substantial parts of their earlier seasons with the Redskins. But league insiders know and appreciated the fact that Washington appears to be pretty effective at turning out backup quarterbacks for other teams.

Posted by: Vic1 | March 31, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

True story from last week.

Was at the teller window at the back. The woman mentioned she was a cowboys fan. I called her a skank.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 31, 2010 3:34 PM

True story from, well, a long time ago, when I was young...I dated a girl whose last name was 'Scank'

Posted by: 4-12

That's gotta be brutal, especially on a young woman.

reminded me of the scene in Robin Hood, Men In Tights where the King (Richard Lewis) is talking to the witch, named Latrine. The King asks about her name, and she says she changed it from Sh!thole. King says, "thats a good change"

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 31, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

FYI I just realized something. Guess I am a bit slow.

All the teams that we play in the pre-season are 3-4 teams.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 31, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Business Confidential:
SNYDER SECRETLY STOCKPILING THIRD STRING QBS

Part 4

As one of the first NFL team owners to recognize the economic potential of this unique market niche, Snyder has enlisted the support of a not-so-unlikely ally. In new head coach Mike Shanahan, Snyder is said to believe that he now has a coach who can take the owner’s business model for developing third-string quarterbacks and mass produce it into a much more lucrative enterprise.

Shanahan is widely regarded as just the sort of coach who can turn middle of the road quarterback prospects into professional football players – and Snyder is quickly becoming known as the supplier of choice for the best backups.

As this year’s college draft approaches, the Redskin scouting and coaching staff have been out on the road working out and interviewing all of the top college quarterback prospects -- including highly hyped Oklahoma University quarterback Sam Bradford, Notre Dame's besainted Jimmy Clausen, and Florida televangelist Tim Tebow.

Few pro football analysts expect any of these quarterbacks to start a regular season game in the 2010 because it typically takes a new quarterback fresh from college a season or two to get ready to play in the big leagues.

But that little fact only makes Snyder want them more.

And now you, dear reader, know why.

Posted by: Vic1 | March 31, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Quick! Somebody ask Clausen what the Redskin team colors are.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 31, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

And now you, dear reader, know why.

Posted by: Vic1 | March 31, 2010 4:06 PM

Are you the guy who's sending all that spam to my e/mail address?

Posted by: League-Source | March 31, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Can someone use real game examples to make a case as to why Jason Campbell is our guy moving forward?

Posted by: rickyroge | March 31, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rickyroge | March 31, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

So is Colt basically packing his bags? I'm not a big Colt fan but I haven't really heard what Shanahan thinks of him. Have you been able to ask the coach about this Mr. Reid?

Posted by: RiggoisDrunk

Why would Colt pack his bags? Even if the Skins draft a QB, both Jason Campbell and Rex Grossman are free agents in 2011. And even Zorn had 4 QBs in training camp.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 31, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Quick! Somebody ask Clausen what the Redskin team colors are.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 31, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse


His response: Green and white?

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 31, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

vic, how many times are you going to post that bs. Thats 3 threads in a row. Its as annoying as "drafting and raising a QB" or to keep referencing the unemployed Vinny Ceratto whose opinion is worth a pile of poop.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | March 31, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm more interested in whether or not Clausen breathes through his mouth.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 31, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

"I think the biggest upside that I have, and one of the things that I have over all the quarterbacks in the draft, is I've played in a pro-style offense," Clausen said. "I know how to change protections. I know how to make alerts to get to a better play. Sometimes you call two, three plays in the huddle. You have to know whether [the defense] is in an over front, even front or if they're in an off front. I know how to call the Mike ID every single time. I just know my hot [reads] and my side adjusts. It's just a lot of different things that in different offenses, spread offenses, that you wouldn't see."
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Damm Clausen can do this... Campbell can't do it and he has been in the league 5 years!!!!

Posted by: sovine08 | March 31, 2010 3:57 PM
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Yes, Clausen could do this at the college level and still lose. Put him in the NFL where the game is much, much faster, and he can still lose.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 31, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

If Shanny talks extra glowingly about CB5(or an yother player), that would not be in keeping with his general modus this offseason.

I have a theory that the Shanny's may think they have a "raisable" qb in cb5, and all of his DD on all these qbs is just smart DD and misdirection. While all of this pre draft rewiew is going on, I would think that jc17, sexy rexy, cb5, and bartel are all spending time at the Park putting in study time with Lil' Shanny. How would you know if you needed a new qb if you did not spend the time figuring out if the current crop are smart/good enough to grasp your concepts.

We'll all know if I was right or not in 3 and a half weeks.

If i was paid to be an Insider, i would make it my business to know which cars were in the parking lot each day.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 31, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Did you he-man Campbell haters just get out of a meeting or something?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 31, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

just please dont draft a ninja QB. They are too dumb. JaMarcus is a prime example

Posted by: chamidi | March 31, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Can someone use real game examples to make a case as to why Jason Campbell is our guy moving forward?

Posted by: rickyroge | March 31, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: rickyroge | March 31, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Int in the endzone against TB in 4th qtr(2007)

Int in the endzone against Dallas in the 4th qtr(2007)

Intercepted by fan in the 4th row against Giants(2009)

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 31, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Did you he-man Campbell haters just get out of a meeting or something?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 31, 2010 4:15 PM
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Yes, we did. The meeting of the Inaccurate Quarterback Club just dismissed. Have no fear, however, I did defend JC in the meeting. Someone in the meeting said Campbell was pretty inaccurate and had a pretty slow release to which I replied, "There's nothing pretty about either one".

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 31, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

My opinion could almost be swayed in his direction if Vinny hadn't already piped up and ruined it.

I wonder if Clausen has any idea how much Vinny, his agents consultant, is reviled in these parts?

Posted by: yampaco | March 31, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Did you he-man Campbell haters just get out of a meeting or something?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 31, 2010 4:15 PM

I attended via conference call

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 31, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Jimmy Clausen is the pick

This is a done deal

mike/kyle/Bruce/Dan

they are all on the same page. Bradford and Tebow are smoke screens.

If we can get Jared Gaither for a second, it a done deal.

Trade JC17 if you can and start Grossman until the new JC is ready.

Brennen is the # 3

That's it... That's the list

Posted by: byrdinthesky | March 31, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Did you he-man Campbell haters just get out of a meeting or something?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 31, 2010 4:15 PM

I attended via conference call

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 31, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

It was a WebEx demo..

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 31, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

JUST SAY NO!!!!

Posted by: dimenjim1 | March 31, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Clausen said. "I know how to change protections. I know how to make alerts to get to a better play. Sometimes you call two, three plays in the huddle. You have to know whether [the defense] is in an over front, even front or if they're in an off front. I know how to call the Mike ID every single time. I just know my hot [reads] and my side adjusts. It's just a lot of different things that in different offenses, spread offenses, that you wouldn't see."
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
or if you're Jason Campbell you wouldn't ever see it...

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 31, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell's name is constantly dragged through the mud by Skins fans... do we want to draft a QB who is constantly defending his reputation before he takes a single NFL snap?

QBs here all suck until they win a Super Bowl. There weren't a lot of Mark Rypien defenders among Skins fans before 1992.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 31, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Nate,
I'm trying really, really hard to get used to the fact Shanny will probably pick QB with #4.

My prediction is Shanny will pick Clausen with #4, unless there is some really sweet trade down option available (whereupon he might get Clausen anyway with a slightly lower pick).

Why not Okung? Because this draft is deep and Shanny can put together a serviceable line with free agents and lower picks and address longer-term options later. In the Shanahan/Allen plan they won't see another top 10 pick unless they trade for it. So for him, this is his best opportunity to get his franchise QB.

Campbell will be traded during or after the draft to help fill other positions of need, like, maybe, uh, I don't know, Left Tackle, for example.

One of the reasons I've been a big JC fan is because of his character, the way he has quietly handled the adversity...alas, another one of Gibb's character selections bites the dust.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 31, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Campbell will be traded during or after the draft to help fill other positions of need, like, maybe, uh, I don't know, Left Tackle, for example.

Yeah, thats not happening...just stop...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 31, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

No matter how Clausen does at his pro day, my vote is to stay the heck away from him solely b/c that nitwit Cerrato recommends him. That's the kiss of death to me.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | March 31, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell's name is constantly dragged through the mud by Skins fans
Posted by: Alan4 | March 31, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

actually he holds onto the ball way too long and can't see a blitz coming. That's why he's dragged through the mud.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 31, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

After that post, I am all for Clausen. This guy destroyed McShay. I've seen both of their highlight reels, and I dont see any difference between the two. I dont know why people claim Bradford to be so much better than him.

With that said, I still say you trade down and stock up on O-lineman. Give up the first for two top 2nd round picks, and go O-line and then O-line. Look to the next draft for a QB. Campbell, Grossman, and Brennan are enough competition at that position for this camp.

Posted by: piyusharora | March 31, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

The pats brought Tebow in for a visit, and with Brady coming into a contract year OBVIOUSLY, they are looking to move on. This is where Allen needs to bring his a-game. CRogers to the Pats for Jerrod Mayo, and Brady, and their 3 second round picks.

Boohkit.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 31, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

People I know he sounds good on paper, but remember, Cerrato likes him. I cannot imagine having a stronger reason not to draft him.

Posted by: skins15 | March 31, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell's name is constantly dragged through the mud by Skins fans... do we want to draft a QB who is constantly defending his reputation before he takes a single NFL snap?

QBs here all suck until they win a Super Bowl. There weren't a lot of Mark Rypien defenders among Skins fans before 1992.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 31, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse
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Yeah, and there weren't alot of Rypien defenders in 1993 either. We have a short term memory and low patience threshold when it comes to QBs.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | March 31, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

People I know he sounds good on paper, but remember, Cerrato likes him. I cannot imagine having a stronger reason not to draft him.

Posted by: skins15 | March 31, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

At present, my A-hole detector (or A-hole-o-meter, if you prefer) is on high alert, but the meter hasn't moved based on the quotations above.

Note: This is an entirely different instrument from the BS detector; albeit, both must be carefully cleaned after each use.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 31, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I decided for my own off-season sanity that I was just going to trust the new guys to make a decision based on the fact that they know infinitely more than me and Todd McShay.

That said, I encourage everyone who's nervous about it to hit the Clausen highlights on Youtube. I gotta say, the kid looks really, really good. The arm is plenty, great vision, great touch, and he's very smooth in the pocket. I'm not going to complain if they pick him.

Plus, he really does look like he could play as a rookie. In case they wanted to trade a veteran QB for, oh, say, another second round pick.

I also remember the exact same character issues about Phillip Rivers. Turns out, those character traits translate well to football.

Posted by: bigfoot1 | March 31, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Theres a good article on PFT where McShay is getting ripped by NFL scouts, it's to long to break up and post here.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 31, 2010 1:32 PM

link?

Posted by: skinswest | March 31, 2010 1:35 PM |

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/31/todd-mcshay-backlash-builds/

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 31, 2010 1:38 PM

Thanks

Posted by: skinswest | March 31, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Campbell can sit there all day describing the defenses - any QB can, that's all these guys do.

Bubble front A gap, cover-2, mike linebacker change protection audible blah blah blah.

Try going through your progressions when 7-step drops have been eliminated from the playbook, and when you have Julius Peppers in your face. We need a frickin LEFT TACKLE.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | March 31, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

There weren't a lot of Mark Rypien defenders among Skins fans before 1992.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 31, 2010 4:29 PM

And there haven't been a lot of them after 1992, either. Skins cut him after 1993 and he played for six other teams where I also think he didn't have a lot of defenders.

Posted by: League-Source | March 31, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

One of the reasons I've been a big JC fan is because of his character, the way he has quietly handled the adversity...alas, another one of Gibb's character selections bites the dust.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 31, 2010 4:29 PM

A fan of JC17, that grew tired of the same "company man", emotionless post game response to what went wrong out there. That's my only issue with JC17. He should been telling his teamates and coaches the real deal. But physically he has the tools to stick around for another year. hope for the best, i will.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 31, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

We need a QB that can take a hit.

(No, not that kind Willie)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 31, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

WOW... NO CHARGES FOR JOEY PORTER... The police officer is under investigation for brutality.

Posted by: tony325 | March 31, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

People I know he sounds good on paper, but remember, Cerrato likes him. I cannot imagine having a stronger reason not to draft him.

Posted by: skins15 | March 31, 2010 4:37 PM

...because, after all, Cerrato liked Orakpo and that guy is a bum.

Cerrato's endorsement is random noise, signifying nothing except that he got paid to "mentor" the guy.

Posted by: League-Source | March 31, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Why not Okung? Because this draft is deep and Shanny can put together a serviceable line with free agents and lower picks and address longer-term options later. In the Shanahan/Allen plan they won't see another top 10 pick unless they trade for it. So for him, this is his best opportunity to get his franchise QB.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 31, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Why don't people realize this simple fact that it's going to be a while before we get another top 10 pick. Personally I'll feel comfortable either way weather we pick Okung or Clausen, all I care about is the coaches liked said player.

However theres some people that think we can just pick Okung and draft Locker next year like it's just that simple. Trust me if Locker is available when we pick in our initial slot next year none of you will want him.

Posted by: CapsXXVI | March 31, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

"Coach Mike Shanahan is believed to be highly interested in drafting and "raising" a quarterback."

Please, please, please do not write this anymore...it's like the 100th time. And total conjecture.

Posted by: Lisa_R
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At least get rid of the passive voice. How about, "I, Jason Reid, believe Coach Mike Shanahan is highly interested in drafting and 'raising' a quarterback."

Posted by: closer44 | March 31, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

ROFLMAO, look kid, you suck as a leader and your talents as a QB are unproven. The Redskins do NOT want another JC unable to bring wins.

So beat it JCII. Find a team that loves to lose... it ain't the Redskins anymore. No MORE JC's in this house!

Bring in the REAL QB's that have proven they can win... (even on the College level!)

Bradford 2010!

Posted by: BigQEd | March 31, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Coach Mike Shanahan is believed to be highly interested in drafting and "raising" a quarterback.
__________________________

How many more times are we going to read this quote from J. Reid? News flash: ALL COACHES ARE INTERESTED IN DRAFTING AND GROOMING A QB!!!!!!!!

Posted by: tramellcanady | March 31, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

75,
I think JC is a solid, but not stellar NFL QB.

But this is the transition year(a grace period). There is no incentive to wait to make big changes.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 31, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Mike Florio
March 31, 2010, 4:52
Redskins invite Jeff George to participate in mini-camp.
Desperate for a qb to lead his team, Coach Mike Shanahan has extended an offer to former Redskin, Jeff George to come to mini camp to see if he's still got any bullets left in his high powered rifle arm. This could get interesting.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 31, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

There is no incentive to wait to make big changes.


Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 31, 2010 4:49 PM


Like the way you put that out there.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 31, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I dont think you dont draft someone because Vinny liked them. The problem is not that Vinny does not know talent is that he picks talent over need.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | March 31, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

The more i think about it, the more I like the Marshall and the 11 for the 4 scenario.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 31, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Redskins looking at a possible NT with tits?

Teams are checking out Terrence Cody
Posted by Mike Florio on March 31, 2010 4:31 PM ET

Generally speaking, we don't put much weight into the "who's visiting who" nonsense of the run-up to the NFL draft. This is, as we've said a time or two, the portion of the year when blue eyes turn the deepest shade of brown. So we've tried this year to get away from the machine-gun barrage of players who are going to see this team and that team.

But some of the high-profile guys catch our attention. One such guy is this year's winner of the Alabama man-boob competition, defensive tackle Terrence Cody.

We're told that he will visit the Ravens, Redskins, Chargers, Broncos, and Chiefs. He'll also work out privately for Chiefs defensive coordinator Romeo Crennel.

Posted by: League-Source | March 31, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

And it would be extra sweet if Shanahalahan could get them to throw in a 3rd.

Which we could use to grab Toby Gerhart.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 31, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

All the leaks, sources and coaches have been talking about the same players. Shanahan gushed over Tebow. They were seen at Bradford's workout. They're bringing Bradford and Clausen in and they're visiting both in the same day next month.

No one within the organization has breathed the name Okung publicly. To me, that is telling.

Okung will be the pick.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 31, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

As mush as I disagree I really feel like the Skins will be selecting a QB with the number 4 pick....

Posted by: eazy413 | March 31, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

etrod... he has got to get past Mayhew at two. Stafford was heroic after getting shoulder planted, but you KNOW Det wants to protect their 40 million dollar man.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 31, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Okung will be the pick.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 31, 2010 5:03 PM

A lot can happen between now and then.

Danger #1: Vinny Cerrato says "I met with Okung for two days and he's the best tackle to come out of college in 12 years, better than Chris Samuels. He's the type of perennial Pro Bowler that Dan Snyder goes for."

Posted by: League-Source | March 31, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Okung is a combo of all the top players at his position with a nasty streak. No interview required, guy is an athletic brute that will run your best DE into the ground. I'm liking this kid more everday. Shanny and Allen will take Bradford at 4 but okung is a close second on their draft board. Either way they are keeping cool so as no one jumps in front of us and not to give detroit any bright ideas to take Okung.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 31, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, and there weren't alot of Rypien defenders in 1993 either. We have a short term memory and low patience threshold when it comes to QBs.
Posted by: skinsfan713
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I was always a Rypien fan... Class act who was a WINNER. Three favorite Redskin QB's Jurgensen, Theismann and Rypien. Skins need a new franchise QB.. hoping Clausen can be that guy...

Posted by: sovine08 | March 31, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm not going to defend Claussen as a person because I don't know him, but to say he couldn't win at ND is a joke.

ND's defense sucked they lost many games that they scored a lot of points in. Plus there O-Line was terrible.

As far as McShay it seems he is taking his beatings from NFL scouts, that say he is an a-hole and doesn't really know what he's talking about.

I would take Claussen over Bradford ever day of the week, put Bradford on ND and he doesn't win a Heisman or anything else.

Put Claussen on Oklahoma and he is better then Bradford.

Okung is the pick if he's there but if not then I would trust Shanny if he takes Claussen.

Shanny will not start the season with a bad O-Line never has never will.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 31, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

vinnywas bad but not to take player cause of vinny really..
vinny loved orakpo and orakpo is the man.

Posted by: skinsfanforlife1 | March 31, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

skinsfan713, does Joe Montana's endorsement of Clausen change your mind??

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/under-the-golden-dome/2010/03/joe-montana-speaks-on-jimmy-clausen.html

Posted by: rj3743 | March 31, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Did you he-man Campbell haters just get out of a meeting or something?

Posted by: dlhaze1
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I was there in spirit.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 31, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Can someone use real game examples to make a case as to why Jason Campbell is our guy moving forward?

Posted by: rickyroge | March 31, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: rickyroge | March 31, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Still waiting!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 31, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, and there weren't alot of Rypien defenders in 1993 either. We have a short term memory and low patience threshold when it comes to QBs.
Posted by: skinsfan713
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I was always a Rypien fan... Class act who was a WINNER. Three favorite Redskin QB's Jurgensen, Theismann and Rypien. Skins need a new franchise QB.. hoping Clausen can be that guy...


Posted by: sovine08 | March 31, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse
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Me too. I just remember tons of people blathering on about him on DC talk radio (such as it was back then). Kind of like how people talk about JC today (except that Rypien had a Sb on his resume).

Posted by: skinsfan713 | March 31, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Colt McCoy had a good Pro Day at Texas. His name has been linked to Shanahan in the past.

Posted by: League-Source | March 31, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Still waiting!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 31, 2010 5:29 PM


The better question is who is or will be the QB of the future?

Posted by: sthai75 | March 31, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Still waiting!

Posted by: rickyroge
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Cannon fodder til we build an Oline and "raise" a QB?

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 31, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

It is not that Cluasen is not going to pan out. That isn't really the issue, well it is.. but whats more pressing is the fact that we do not have a single starting tackle on our team. No RT and especially no LT. Now, I understand we can get a decent tackle in the 2nd round... 1. So we take one with #37 and we have our starting RT for next year.... now were looking at Stephon Heyer as our LT and a rookie as our right... I just do not see this as something we are going to want to do.

Its like placing your hand on a hot stove. If you do it once to find out if its hot or not... ok not the smartest thing but i mean it happens.... But if you do it again... I mean come on thats just fuc^ing retarded.

We got lucky that JC did not get killed last year (and YES I say lucky because even though half of you think TC was an upgrade he absolutely was not... the man could not throw a simple OUT route...)

Whatever, the point is you cannot win football games without bookend tackles that can protect your QB at least half the time. It just will not happen. Shanny and Brucy both know that and they will do whats right, and hopefully they will just follow logic and draft 2-3 lineman this year.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 31, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Shanny will not start the season with a bad O-Line never has never will.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 31, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Thank You Flounder! Since when is this an either or question. Why does everyone assume if we take a QB #4 that we can't fix the line? And why is Okung the saint/messiah/savior of the franchise? Jake Long, Jason Smith, Eugene Monroe, Andre Smith, Jason Smith....nice players but hardly elite. Chris Samuels an elite left tackle who we had for a decade, and won all of bupkis. Why do people think Okung is any safer than one of the top two QBs? If they think either Clausen or Bradford can be elite they should take him and never look back. Its a lot easier to find good lineman outside of round 1 than it is to find good QBs.

If they decide Jimmy can/will be elite and can get Clausen at 4, trade our 2 for Gaither, and then grab two tackles in the 4th and 5th I'll be just as happy as if they decide that none of the qbs are worthy and they take Okung. At least Gaither has proven he's good at the NFL level and we know he won't go all Robert Gallery on us.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 31, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

According to an anonymous source at the Ross Dress for Less where he has recently found employment, Vinny Cerrato likes ALL the players in this year's draft.

Now what do you do?

Posted by: SMACK1 | March 31, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

despite being battered behind a poor offensive line he managed to improve each year

hmmmmmmmmmmm

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 31, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

If they decide Jimmy can/will be elite and can get Clausen at 4, trade our 2 for Gaither, and then grab two tackles in the 4th and 5th I'll be just as happy as if they decide that none of the qbs are worthy and they take Okung. At least Gaither has proven he's good at the NFL level and we know he won't go all Robert Gallery on us.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 31, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse


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excellent post.

It will be clausen @ #4

As far as the negative comments about JC7

It's just plain ignorance

Posted by: byrdinthesky | March 31, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

well why dies an actual expert like Mayock say if you take a QB in the top 5 with the current CBA, and he doesn't work out, you've ruined your franchise for 5 years. ????

He didn't say that about any other position or pick 6, because of $$$$$

And a busted tackle can be a good guard

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 31, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Interesting that there has been no word of Redskins attending Colt McCoy workout.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 31, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

To me, the review that Clausen is recieving, sounds similar to what was percieved about Joe Theismann in his early days. Go figure, we know how Theismann turned out! I'd rather have a confident QB any day. There is 2 sides to every story.

Posted by: madalao | March 31, 2010 3:55 PM

good point.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 31, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

well flound why defend Clausen based on his supporting cast and not defend Campbell?

Hater?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 31, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Can someone use real game examples to make a case as to why Jason Campbell is our guy moving forward?

Posted by: rickyroge | March 31, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

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I will entertain, but doesn't mean I believe... New Orleans game... He did everything to win the game & the stupid kicker choked from 23... A terrible offensive team almost took down Goliath.

I still want some new blood... It's not because Jason isn't OK, it's because I want something we have never had... A dominant game changer at the position, he isn't that guy.

People hate Clausen, but I think he is going to get it done. I watched pretty much his whole career at ND, & I really like his resolve when the game is on the line. Also, he seemed to always make very quick decisions & knew where to go after the snap... JC does this... NEVER!

Posted by: tony325 | March 31, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Can someone use real game examples to make a case as to why Jason Campbell is our guy moving forward?

Posted by: rickyroge | March 31, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: rickyroge | March 31, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Still waiting!

Posted by: rickyroge

Sure, the 1st 8 games of 2008, when Campbell had a healthy OL. 6-2 record, about 100 QB rating -- 6 games with rating of 93 or more. Wins over AZ/Warner, NO/Brees, plus road wins over mcnabb/philly and romo/dallas.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 31, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse


To me, the review that Clausen is recieving, sounds similar to what was percieved about Joe Theismann in his early days. Go figure, we know how Theismann turned out! I'd rather have a confident QB any day. There is 2 sides to every story.

Posted by: madalao | March 31, 2010 3:55 PM

good point.


Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 31, 2010 6:07 PM

at least theismann could return punts.

Posted by: terrapin3 | March 31, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

you don't get to decide if someone is going to be elite.

Sincerely,
tom Brady 6th rnd pick

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 31, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Campbell hit 43 times zero shoulder injuries

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 31, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

you don't get to decide if someone is going to be elite.

Sincerely,
tom Brady 6th rnd pick

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 31, 2010 6:12 PM

Yes you do.
Sincerely,
Gibran Hamdan, 7th Round Pick

Posted by: League-Source | March 31, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Can someone use real game examples to make a case as to why Jason Campbell is our guy moving forward?

Posted by: rickyroge | March 31, 2010 4:06 PM

Can you or anyone determine Shanahan's inner plans? If no, why are you giving yourself an unnecessary headache? If Shanny decide JC is the QB, what can you do? If he decides to draft one, what can anyone do? Just have a few more weeks of patience then you will find out. I'm a JC fan, but I can't blog my ways to effect Shanahan's decision, I can only wait and see.

Posted by: abxinc | March 31, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

now its your turn why NOT Okung?

Why Bradford? Why Clausen?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 31, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

I don't think it can be overstated how horribly Zorn and the Redskins coaches/playcallers screwed up Campbell with his assinine playcalling and game management.

Now, the big negative for JC is of course that he has the personality type to be ruined by a bumbling azz hat such as Zorn.

There in lies the anti- jc group's biggest gripe: JC has all the physical tools in the world, but lacks some sort of mental or personality trait that facilitates excellence in NFL quarterbacks. The coaching staff needs to facilitate excellence in JC; that excellence will not develop on its own. The Shanny's are most likely the type of coaches that can synergistically improve JC's play. Zorn and co clearly detracted from JC and the rest of the team's chance of winning.

Redskins could do much worse at QB than JC. They could also do much better.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 31, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

YES, the O-line is important, but what's moer important is can the QB make plays. Aaron Rodgers spent the entire season on his back, but he made enough plays to get his team to the 2nd round of the playoffs. We don't have that QB on our roster.

Is it impossible to find a quality LT/RT in the 2nd round?

Is Russell Okung the savior of this franchise?

WHY DO WE HAVE TO SETTLE FOR AN AVERAGE QB, THAT NEEDS MAX PROTECTION?

Posted by: rickyroge | March 31, 2010 4:01 PM

As bad as the Packs OLine is, its five times better than what we have, remember even their reserve tackle, Chad Cliffton, would not even sign with us; plus green bay has Ahman Green, Ryan Grant, Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, Jermichael Finley, etc. Who do we have on offense and how effective were they last season?

Posted by: abxinc | March 31, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

at least theismann could return punts.

Posted by: terrapin3 | March 31, 2010 6:12 PM

Couldn't punt worth a darn though.

Posted by: skinswest | March 31, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

I'd prefer the Skins get Bradford, but would be very happy if Clausen is the pick. The Panthers are thin at QB - maybe they'd give us a 3rd or 4th round pick for Campbell.

Posted by: coparker5 | March 31, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

How many times do we have to read about 'raising a quarterback'?????????

Posted by: chasla | March 31, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Nate verified it on the last thread, he does love to **** birds and other winged animals, except apparently unicorns. Which is weird because I think if anything most of us would probably **** the unicorn before the hummingbird.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 31, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Actually I think you mean the Pegasus. The unicorn is not winged. It's lone anomaly is the horn on it's forehead. While I have seen images of the Pegasus with a horn, it's true defining feature is it's glorious wings.

Since I didn't see the original post by Nate, I will assume you meant to say, "Jimmy Clausen does love to **** birds and other winged animals, except apparently the Pegasus."

On a totally unrelated football note, every time I look at Clausen all I see is Heath Shuler 2.0 which makes me shudder.

Posted by: Beggarsandthieves | March 31, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

YES, the O-line is important, but what's moer important is can the QB make plays. Aaron Rodgers spent the entire season on his back, but he made enough plays to get his team to the 2nd round of the playoffs. We don't have that QB on our roster.

Is it impossible to find a quality LT/RT in the 2nd round?

Is Russell Okung the savior of this franchise?

WHY DO WE HAVE TO SETTLE FOR AN AVERAGE QB, THAT NEEDS MAX PROTECTION?

Posted by: rickyroge |

You can compare Campbell to Rodgers and Campbell will lose every time.

But let's be clear ... Rodgers is an elite QB. One of the 5 best in football. In FF, he was #1 in scoring -- even though sacks counted against him. And Rodgers is #1 -- all time -- in passer rating.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 31, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

well flound why defend Clausen based on his supporting cast and not defend Campbell?

Hater?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 31, 2010 6:09 PM |

I will tell you why even though I don't bash JC like a lot of people, I don't defend him either.

Clausenn put up points and showed moxy at the end of games driving his team for TD's. JC shows no moxy and doesn't put up points and the Skins D was way better at the pro level then ND's D was at the college level.


Posted by: Flounder21 | March 31, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

I'd take Bradford and his 36 over any of the others and their low-mid 20's wonderlic scores.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 31, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Uh, sorry, Beggars, but as a Redskin fan it's almost required that we believe in the existence of winged unicorns. So don't go telling me they don't exist.

I was cursing the Ravens and Cardinals, and that vigorous cursing was misconstrued to humorous effect at my expense, the implication being that I seek carnal relations with winged creatures. When in fact all I want is to see teams using winged creatures as their nicknames not fare well, as a general rule.

To wit, F the Cardinals, F the Ravens, F the Falcons, F the Eagles, F the Seahawks, etc.

(The eagle mascot character for the Caps, of course, is exempt from this rule, since it's not the team's official mascot.)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 31, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

looked at 1995-2007 drafts to see how many drafts resulted in multiple decent/good QBs:

I've included the names of the QBs in each draft. (I left out some marginal guys who did start like Aaron Brooks and Kyle Boller)

2007 none
2006 2, Young, Cutler
2005 4, Rodgers, Orton, Campbell, Cassel
2004 4, eli, Rivers, Big Ben, Schaub
2003 3, Palmer, Leftwich, Grossman
2002 none
2001 2, Vick, Brees
2000 3, Pennington, Bulger, Brady
1999 2, mcnabb, Culpepper
1998 3, Peyton, B Greise, M Hasselback
1997 1, Plummer
1996 none
1995 3, McNair, K Collins, K Stewart

How many times are there are 2 VERY GOOD QBs in one draft?

In 13 years I checked, 2004 is the ONLY year when 2 or more VERY GOOD QBs came out.

So what does THAT mean? It means that the 2nd best QB in the draft is probably not better than Jason Campbell.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 31, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

(Er, it's not the team's official nickname, just a mascot. Knew I was going to screw that up.)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 31, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

"And, it's bad writing. These quarterbacks were already raised by their parents. Shanahan may want to train one, but too late to "raise" one.Posted by: League-Source"

Unless they're referring to the QB's salary.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 31, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

How many times are there are 2 VERY GOOD QBs in one draft?

In 13 years I checked, 2004 is the ONLY year when 2 or more VERY GOOD QBs came out.

So what does THAT mean? It means that the 2nd best QB in the draft is probably not better than Jason Campbell.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 31, 2010 6:49 PM |

I looked up every NCAA final four in history and Butler has never made a final four oh wait!!!

Just because something hasn't happened doesn't mean it wont, plus who says Bradford is the best QB in the draft, maybe Shanny thinks Clausenn is and I would take his word over the so called experts anyday.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 31, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Show me the moxy!

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 31, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Aug. 12-16: Buffalo at FedEx Field
Aug. 19-23: Baltimore at FedEx Field
Aug. 26-29: at New York Jets
Sept. 2-3: at Arizona Cardinals

By Cindy Boren | March 31, 2010; 3:00 PM ET

So two 4 games series followed by 3 against the Jets and then we conclude the preseason with two against the Cardinals. That’s a brutal preseason.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 31, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

I looked up every NCAA final four in history and Butler has never made a final four oh wait!!!

Just because something hasn't happened doesn't mean it wont, plus who says Bradford is the best QB in the draft, maybe Shanny thinks Clausenn is and I would take his word over the so called experts anyday.

Posted by: Flounder21

I have made the point on Shanahan probably having a clear ranking of the QBs -- and my guess is he's interested in either 1 QB or none at all. I've never presumed to know who it is, if anyone.

As for going against the odds, Flounder, you just keep hitting on 19, you'll win eventually.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 31, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

How many times are there are 2 VERY GOOD QBs in one draft?

In 13 years I checked, 2004 is the ONLY year when 2 or more VERY GOOD QBs came out.

So what does THAT mean? It means that the 2nd best QB in the draft is probably not better than Jason Campbell.

Posted by: zcezcest1
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Perhaps that conclusion is skewed by the fact that many of those QB's were, as high picks, going to bad football programs with bad coaching?

Nevertheirregardless, I think you gotta take the big swing when you think you have someone truly special. But I have no idea if the Skins' experts think Bradford, Clausen, or someone else is that special. If they do, I concur with the move and taking the risk.

This is a 2 year rebuild no matter what, we WILL get the Oline we want, one way or the other.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 31, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

"Pretty Good football players" are best to draft after the 4th RD.

Jimmy Clausen may want to clam up, too

Posted by Mike Florio on March 31, 2010 5:16 PM ET

Receiver Dez Bryant isn't the only guy who should consider saying not another word until after he's drafted. Quarterback Jimmy Clausen would be wise to zip it, too.

Clausen has responded to Marty McShay's assertion that the former Golden Domer lacks leadership skills and maturity.

"I have no idea why he says that," Clausen told Jason Reid of the Washington Post. "People are just going to say what they want to say. But at the end of the day, I am who I am. And the people who really know who I am, know the type of person that I am -- a loving, caring person [who's] a pretty good football player and a great leader on the field and off the field."

A loving, caring person? Really?

Clausen might actually be loving and caring. But he shouldn't describe himself that way.

The better approach would have been to point out that he was voted a captain by his teammates. That pretty much answers any and all criticism that McShay or anyone else could direct to Clausen's leadership.

Pretty sure you wouldn't want this guy to be the face of your franchise and spend the 4th overall pick on him.

http://nextround.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/clausen.jpg

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 31, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

One thing no one has thrown into the discussion is the upcoming change in cost of a very high draft pick. The next CBO is very likely to have a rookie salary cap. The risk vs reward will go down a lot.

One thought is to figure out a way to trade the current #4, #37 and perhaps some talent to teams likely to be near the top of the draft next year -- Cleveland, Oakland, Seattle, StL, etc. Basically, see if you can land a couple top quality players at half the price.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 31, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

As for going against the odds, Flounder, you just keep hitting on 19, you'll win eventually.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 31, 2010 7:11 PM |

I don't worry about the odds and niether should NFL GM's or coaches, the only time odds matter is when your betting on something or playing the lotto.

If you want something you go earn it even if the odds say you can't.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 31, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

And the people who really know who I am, know the type of person that I am - a loving, caring person [who's] a pretty good football player and a great leader on the field and off the field."
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Oh Jimmy, do you remember that little drinking incident that happed in your sophmore season? I believe that had something to do with underage drinking, but I'll check to make sure.

Posted by: PublicEnemy1 | March 31, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Clausen, one of the top recruits in the country, was cited by Indiana State Excise Police on June 23 outside a liquor store about 10 p.m. on a Saturday night near campus along with a 23-year-old who bought two bottles of vodka, a bottle of whiskey and a case of beer.
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Oh yes I knew I would find this little brush with the law somewhere. Now what was that about being a leader on and off the field?

Posted by: PublicEnemy1 | March 31, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Pretty sure you wouldn't want this guy to be the face of your franchise and spend the 4th overall pick on him.

http://nextround.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/clausen.jpg


Posted by: Diesel44 | March 31, 2010 7:17 PM |

Thanks Diesel,

I clicked on that and my wife looked over and said why are you looking at gay men on the internet.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 31, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

drinking incident..?
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Just one? In college? He's a saint...

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 31, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps that conclusion is skewed by the fact that many of those QB's were, as high picks, going to bad football programs with bad coaching?

Nevertheirregardless, I think you gotta take the big swing when you think you have someone truly special. But I have no idea if the Skins' experts think Bradford, Clausen, or someone else is that special. If they do, I concur with the move and taking the risk.

This is a 2 year rebuild no matter what, we WILL get the Oline we want, one way or the other.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala

I get that thinking. If Shanahan really believes Bradford is the next Elway, he's got to select him. The problem is that no one knows about these QBs. Even Shanahan.

Bill Walsh was probably the best ever at understanding QBs. Drafted Montana in round 3, traded for Young, found Garcia in Canada. But his only first round pick used on a QB was Jim Druckenmiller. Even the smartest guy in the room swung and missed.

I'm hopeful Shanahan understands the limitations in picking QBs. He's smart, but he's not so smart that the odds don't apply to him.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 31, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Clausen, one of the top recruits in the country, was cited by Indiana State Excise Police on June 23 outside a liquor store about 10 p.m. on a Saturday night near campus along with a 23-year-old who bought two bottles of vodka, a bottle of whiskey and a case of beer.
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Oh yes I knew I would find this little brush with the law somewhere. Now what was that about being a leader on and off the field?


Posted by: PublicEnemy1 | March 31, 2010 7:22 PM |

If that makes you not a leader then about 85% of men and women in this country aren't leaders.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 31, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

"It was just real, real detailed film study, which translates to the game on Saturdays."

Sorry if this has been highlighted already, but dude, there's a big difference between Sat and Sun. Pro D is a whole different animal. Much respect for him playing through that injury, though. Pretty good, for an emu.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | March 31, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Shanny,

Step away from the QB.....

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | March 31, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Okay , and what of this Bradford sidekick and buddy, Colt McCoy??
Highly durable (outside of the one college injury in the FREAKIN' championship game), he holds numerous NCAA and Big 12 QB records, including most wins by a QB (kinda huge, that)...More Elway like in his scrambling ability and field vision than Bradford, could be the perfect Shanahan QB...But he still needs a blindside offensive tackle...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXznhpPnwCo

Posted by: frak | March 31, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Guy should just punch Todd McShay in the face. Actions speak louder than words. Don't talk the talk, punch the punch.

Posted by: League-Source

Good advice. Drop your resume off with the Steelers. They're looking for a morality advisor, too.

Actually, day was that would be a good plan. Nowadays he could just sign over his signing bonus to McShay.

Posted by: TheCork | March 31, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Diesel,

I clicked on that and my wife looked over and said why are you looking at gay men on the internet.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 31, 2010 7:23 PM

At least she didn't say..
Again, with the gay porn?

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 31, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

I don't worry about the odds and niether should NFL GM's or coaches, the only time odds matter is when your betting on something or playing the lotto.

If you want something you go earn it even if the odds say you can't.

Posted by: Flounder21

Ahhhh!!!! We find the difference. I live by 'improve the odds'. I wear a seat belt don't put all my money into some tiny biotech and go to the dentist 2x a year.

The GM of a team is going to make a lot of decisions. If he can make these decisions right 70% of the time, he'll beat the guy who makes them right 50% of the time.

As the wise man says, "David may beat Goliath from time to time, but that's not the way to bet."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 31, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

mock draft analysis 350 drafts

#1 - Bradford 54%, Clausen 23%, Suh 22%
#2 - Suh 48%, Okung 31%, G.McCoy 20%, Berry 1%
#3 - G.McCoy 48%, Suh 28%, Berry 18%, Okung 3%, Clausen 1%, Morgan 1%
#4 - Clausen 33%, Okung 30%, Bradford 23%, G.McCoy 3%, Bulaga 3%, Berry 2%
#5 - Berry 30%, Okung 26%, Bulaga 19%, Davis 6%, McClain 5%, Campbell 5%, Bradford 2%

Posted by: noonefromtampa | March 31, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Diesel,

I clicked on that and my wife looked over and said why are you looking at gay men on the internet.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 31, 2010 7:23 PM

At least she didn't say..
Again, with the gay porn?

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 31, 2010 7:52 PM
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Now that's funny!

Posted by: noonefromtampa | March 31, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

What's your reason (Jason Reid) other than being an asstool taking shots for no reason?

Oh wait, nevermind....

Posted by: RedDMV | March 31, 2010 12:55 PM

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Posted by: Chia_Pet | March 31, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Yeah anyway...

Why all the hate for Clausen and Tebow?

Either one of these young men would represent a significant upgrade to the talent pool at the QB position.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | March 31, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

"But like I said, I'd love to play under coach Shanahan. I think it would be a great situation for me."

Jimmy Clausen

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and the fans of the Washington Redskins would be the primary benefactors, Jimmy.

We would LOVE to have you.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | March 31, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | March 31, 2010 12:55 PM

?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | March 31, 2010 8:13 PM

Chia_Pet's back and she's spoiling for a fight! Of course she waits until Red's shut down for the day to challenge him. Don't get your popcorn just yet.

Posted by: League-Source | March 31, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Funny LS.

I'm not "back"

and apparently you never left.

Why is it that you need to check down up here, anyway?

pfffffffft...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | March 31, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that you need to check down up here, anyway?

pfffffffft...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | March 31, 2010 8:37 PM

WaPo pays me $3.25 per post to keep it going up here. So, I need to put up a lot of posts. How much are they paying you?

Posted by: League-Source | March 31, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

For the record, LS

You're a jerk.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | March 31, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Let's be honest, has McShay spent 30 minutes alone with Clausen? Probably not. He's probably going off someone who has an agenda to drop him in the draft.

Maybe Clausen is a turd, but I'm not going to go off what an ESPN talking head says.

Posted by: rich20ssu | March 31, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rich20ssu | March 31, 2010 8:45 PM |

McShay knows less than most but take a look at this and tell me this kid is worth the #4 pick.

http://nextround.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/clausen.jpg

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 31, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Don't like Clausen at #4 don't think he'll be there at 37. Hoping we can just forget about him. Not sure why we HAVE to draft a QB this year at all.

If at #4, the best player at their position is not available (Bradford, Okung) I would rather get the second best O Tackle than get the second best QB. I think the difference in drop-off between Bulaga (yes Bulaga, not Williams) and Clausen warrants choosing Bulaga.

And if Bulaga doesn't work out, we're not stuck for the next five years like we would be with Cluasen if he busts. We just move Bulaga to RT or Guard and keep on chugging...


If it were my decision to make alone, and Okung and Bradford were gone, I'd take McCoy or Suh and tell Haslett we're playing a damn 4-3 next year so he better bone-up! But I don't see that happening.

(Imagine a rotation of Daniels, Kemoeatu, McCoy, & Jarmon on run downs - then Haynesworth, Daniels, McCoy and Carter - with Oakpo crashing in on passing downs. UGLY!)

Posted by: edvar | March 31, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

I know we lost to Seattle in the divisional playoffs with Collins. We went to the playoffs twice under Gibbs 2.0. Who was the other team we lost to?

Posted by: westjr88 | March 31, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

For the record, LS

You're a jerk.

Posted by: Chia_Pet


You're rude and vile.

"User reviews and comments that include profanity or personal attacks or other inappropriate comments or material will be removed from the site."


Take it easy man.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 31, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

For the record, LS

You're a jerk.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | March 31, 2010 8:43 PM

So, I take it you're not getting paid anything at all for posting up here? Wow. You're an amateur? Who would have guessed it?

Posted by: League-Source | March 31, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

I *heart* Justin Bieber

Posted by: Chia_Pet | March 31, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Chia_Pet | March 31, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

I know we lost to Seattle in the divisional playoffs with Collins. We went to the playoffs twice under Gibbs 2.0. Who was the other team we lost to?

Posted by: westjr88 | March 31, 2010 8:58 PM

Seattle both times.

F Seattle

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 31, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

First and foremost Shannahan should have from the start given JC an unequivical vote of confidence instead he and Bruce Allen go and get a bumm like Rex Grossman and announce that their will be "open" competition for the QB position even though JC has been through pure hell(horrible O line,underperforming wide receivers, diva running back with diminishing skill's, goofball coaching the last two years, not to mention an array of offensive scheme's that would have had Peyton Manning scratching his head). JC has been criticized ad nauseum on these post but Shannahan had bettter be carefull lest he look like Jim Zorn, he and Bruce should be focusing on the O line,shoring up protection for whomever win's the "open" competition yeah open my azz, JC will win next year if Shannahan has a clue or we'll run his beind back to Denver or wherever he came from.

Posted by: dargregmag | March 31, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I guess I see the whole Clausen discussion as stupid. Here's a guy with an exemplary record as a college QB. Unfortunately that doesn't tell us much about how he'll perform in the NFL. He was coached by certified NFL 'genius' Charlie Weis, which tells us something about how he'll do if Charlie happens to coach him in the League, but not much else. He's actually in better health than Sam Bradford, who's got a big flashing INJURY sign above his head.

How good is Jimmy Clausen? he's a heck of a college QB. How good will he be in the pros? We can't tell. Same's true of Bradford, McCoy, Tebow, etc.

Is he Alex Smith or Aaron Rodgers? Troy Aikman or David Carr? Or God forbid, Ryan Leaf or Akili Smith?

That's the problem with drafting QBs in the early rounds. You know they're going to take time to develop. You know they're going to a lot of hits. But beyond that, it's a big crapshoot.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 31, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Diesel

I'm not quite as anti- Clausen as I once was. He either knows his sh!t or is a damn good BSer.
I'm just ready to win. I like the 28td and 4int stat also.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 31, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

A BOOK FULL OF NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LEARN THE GAME OF FOOTBALL BEFORE YOU WRITE A STUPID BOOK!! THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WHEN JC LIGHT IT UP NEXT SEASON HE WILL TELL YOU AND REDSKINS TO KISS HIS AZZ!!!!!!!!!!! AND YOU WILL BE STUCK WITH A GQ THAT DON'T KNOW sh!t.


Business Confidential:
SNYDER SECRETLY STOCKPILING THIRD STRING QBS

Part 2

For example, the knock on current “starting” quarterback Jason Campbell is that he is a strong-armed but inaccurate passer who tries to do as well as he can with his limited skill set, but has yet to display the necessary finesse to handle some of the finer points of a modern NFL passing scheme. For example, Campbell appears to have great difficulty in consistently throwing an accurate fade pattern to a receiver running to the outer edge of the end zone -- admittedly one of the most difficult throws in the game -- or consistently completing timing patterns to pass receivers cutting to the sidelines.

Campbell’s defenders will tell you that is as accurate and effective as any other quarterback in the game, and readily quote statistics that seem to show him to be a middle-of-the pack and improving player. Unfortunately, they neglect to mention that this quarterback seems to rely more than most on a unusually high number of screen passes and other short-yardage “dink and dump” passes to outlet receivers.

All in all, Campbell seems to embody the best attributes of a modern third string quarterback in that he is somewhat competent, relatively quiet (to the point being almost a non-entity when it comes field leadership), respected by many (but not all) of his teammates, and modestly priced. (Despite having played five years in the league and starting for three, he is still working on a rookie contract that will pays him a modest $4 million this year.)

Then the key question becomes, can the Redskins – or for that matter, any other team -- win with Campbell?

Probably not.

After enduring an ever-changing series of coaches and offensive schemes over the past several years, even Campbell admits that he must “unlearn” many of the “bad lessons” he picked up from earlier coaches before he can successfully move on with a new coach or offensive system.

But still, many Redskin Outsiders will tell you that if you surround Campbell with 10 Pro Bowl caliber players, and give him a very simple offensive scheme, as well as lots of coaching and patience, well then he may not embarrass himself or the rest of the team too badly.

Posted by: gwest1 | March 31, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Diesel

I'm not quite as anti- Clausen as I once was. He either knows his sh!t or is a damn good BSer.
I'm just ready to win. I like the 28td and 4int stat also.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 31, 2010 9:15 PM

IMO...Too many red flags to take him at #4. He's not a top 20 overall prospect and you can't reach in the top 5. I'd have no problem taking at #37 but he'll be gone.

If you like stats you would have loved Andre Ware, Timmy Chang, and David Klinger.

Or better yet Brady Quinn who threw for 37 touchdowns to only 7 interceptions under Weiss and had a better Win %.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 31, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

I'd be happy with a draft that brought Okung, Spiller, Suh, Berry, and either Bradford, Clausen, Tebow, McCoy, or LeFevour to the Washington Redskins.

We need any and all of these guys.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | March 31, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

dargregmag Wrote:

First and foremost Shannahan should have from the start given JC an unequivical vote of confidence instead he and Bruce Allen go and get a bumm like Rex Grossman and announce that their will be "open" competition for the QB position even though JC has been through pure hell..... Shannahan had bettter be carefull lest he look like Jim Zorn, he and Bruce should be focusing on the O line,shoring up protection for whomever win's the "open" competition yeah open my azz, JC will win next year if Shannahan has a clue or we'll run his beind back to Denver or wherever he came from.

Posted by: dargregmag | March 31, 2010 9:08 PM
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Dargregmag..
What is Shanny thinking dissing JC by making him compete for the starting QB job?

The Best of JC..

JC In The Clutch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZypDzW81-c

CBS Highlights of his Decision Making attributes.. (L-S, here's the video you were looking for)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTqk4Du4-wM&NR=1

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 31, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who like stats:

Dan LeFevour:

6"3" 258

Games 53

Comp 1,171

Att 1,763

Comp % 66.4

Yards 12,905

TD 102

INT 36

Rating 142.9

Posted by: Chia_Pet | March 31, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Dan LeFevour is the next Joe Flacco.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | March 31, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Wow and to think Jason Reid has to come up with three weeks more of posts prior to the draft...

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 31, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Wow and to think Jason Reid has to come up with three weeks more of posts prior to the draft...

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 31, 2010 9:42 PM

Then he hits the dry spell -- the period between the draft and the start of training camp. Boring.

Posted by: League-Source | March 31, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Clausen quote:
"Just being able to be taught by coach Weis, and understand how to study film, not just to go in there and watch the film but really understand it, really helped me," Clausen said. "To be able to look at the fronts, look at how the linebackers are lined up, see if they're in the bubble, or if they're in the A gap ... that's important for our team. It was just real, real detailed film study, which translates to the game on Saturdays."
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ummm "detailed film study"..
Didnt Weis coach the Pats (Offensive Coach) during Belichicks video spygate days of stealing defensive signals?

Lets see.. Weis looks like a genius with the Pats so, he gets hired by ND.. Where he fails miserably without the Pats Videographer on board..... Coincidence?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 31, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

I like Lefevour too with the 37 spot.
I don't think the future QB has to be Bradford, Clausen
or Tebow.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 31, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dargregmag | March 31, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Dude, the 'Skins were 4-12 last year. NO ONE deserves an "unequivocal vote of confidence."

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 31, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Wow and to think Jason Reid has to come up with three weeks more of posts prior to the draft...

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 31, 2010 9:42 PM

Then he hits the dry spell -- the period between the draft and the start of training camp. Boring.

Posted by: League-Source | March 31, 2010 9:53 PM
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JReid is gonna be dumpster diving at the Park for stories.

Its not like last year, where Vinny's ego fed the WashPost each day so he would see his name in print the following morning.
Allen and Shanahan refreshingly dont seem to give a Ratazz about the media.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 31, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

I like Lefevour too with the 37 spot.
I don't think the future QB has to be Bradford, Clausen
or Tebow.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 31, 2010 10:04 PM
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jevan snead is a sleeper, too.
kicked as-s at the Combine.. and got a nice endorsement from Rhome. Could be the 5th round "Tom Brady" of 2010.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/355173-ole-miss-rebels-at-the-nfl-combine-what-we-learned-about-jevan-snead

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 31, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

JReid is gonna be dumpster diving at the Park for stories.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 31, 2010 10:14 PM

Go back and look at a picture of JReid. Does that guy look like he's going "dumpster diving"? Either he pays an intern to do it for him or we've got a few months like today:

"Dan Snyder likes to get good players in the draft."

Posted by: League-Source | March 31, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Rammstein on the Clock!! (it's ok, my euro-punk brethren say they are not Nazi at all, just equal opportunity nihilists)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwDDCUajDlQ

Posted by: frak | March 31, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

"Dan Snyder likes to get good players in the draft."

Posted by: League-Source | March 31, 2010 10:20 PM
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"Shanahan likes QBs that can throw."

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 31, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

"Shanahan likes QBs that can throw."

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 31, 2010 10:33 PM

"Men like women with tight hotchies and big tits." [Because men have small wieners and big hands.]

Posted by: League-Source | March 31, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

SkinsneedaGM, have you thought about changing your name now that we have a GM? Or are you waiting to see how Allen pans out?

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 31, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Oh well, looks like frak's run out of his meds again already.

Posted by: msrent | March 31, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

SkinsneedaGM, have you thought about changing your name now that we have a GM? Or are you waiting to see how Allen pans out?

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 31, 2010 10:56 PM
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I'm too lazy to make a new handle.. and some dou-che' took SkinshaveaGM.
However, your point is well taken.. Brucey was unemployed when Snyder hired him..soooo, who knows what he agreed to do for the title.(I'd do any.... for a mil a year).. I think snyder is still the stealth gm.....

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 31, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Clausen, one of the top recruits in the country, was cited by Indiana State Excise Police on June 23 outside a liquor store about 10 p.m. on a Saturday night near campus along with a 23-year-old who bought two bottles of vodka, a bottle of whiskey and a case of beer.
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Oh yes I knew I would find this little brush with the law somewhere. Now what was that about being a leader on and off the field?


Posted by: PublicEnemy1 | March 31, 2010 7:22 PM |

That all you got? This was not a big deal at all. As a freshman, he drove the 23 y-o to the liquor store. Unbeknownst to them, in Indiana, it's illegal for someone who is under age to drive someone who is old enough to drink to the liquor store.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 31, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Oh well, looks like frak's run out of his meds again already.

Posted by: msrent | March 31, 2010 11:06 PM
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yeah.. i played frak's neo youtube video (from a few posts ago) here in my bedroom and it got my wife in the mood.. So not sure what to think of that.. I either have an unforeknowned skin-head heavy metal loving wife or a great new aphrodisiac.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 31, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Clausen, one of the top recruits in the country, was cited by Indiana State Excise Police on June 23 outside a liquor store about 10 p.m. on a Saturday night near campus along with a 23-year-old who bought two bottles of vodka, a bottle of whiskey and a case of beer.
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Oh yes I knew I would find this little brush with the law somewhere. Now what was that about being a leader on and off the field?


Posted by: PublicEnemy1 | March 31, 2010 7:22 PM |
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makes me like him more..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 31, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

I guess few people on this blog are aware of Dan Lefevour's poor pro day last week, otherwise they wouldn't keep heralding him as the 37th pick. He's not worth it guys, not close. Did poorly on throws that Bradford and McCoy made with ease. I'm from state of Michigan and watched him play. System QB against mostly inferior competition. Overhyped.

Posted by: wagman1 | March 31, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Clausen, one of the top recruits in the country, was cited by Indiana State Excise Police on June 23 outside a liquor store about 10 p.m. on a Saturday night near campus along with a 23-year-old who bought two bottles of vodka, a bottle of whiskey and a case of beer.

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Maybe I'm missing something, but exactly what was illegal in this?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 31, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

That all you got? This was not a big deal at all. As a freshman, he drove the 23 y-o to the liquor store. Unbeknownst to them, in Indiana, it's illegal for someone who is under age to drive someone who is old enough to drink to the liquor store.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 31, 2010 11:18 PM
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As Clausen's agent, I would maintain that as a freshman if he could convince a 23 yr old to ride with him to the liquor store to illegally buy liquor.. It shows unique motivational leadership skills that will easily be translated to success on the field.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 31, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

If he looks like Jay Schroeder, thinks like Jay Schroeder and throw like Hay Schroeder, then it must be a sign...Jimmy, do us all a favor and go play canadian ball...

Posted by: boricuabopper | March 31, 2010 11:40 PM | Report abuse

This has probably already been hashed over today but just in case..

Appears Colt McCoy was a smash hit at his Pro Day (today). Green Bay's Mike McCarthy thinks he looked better than Bradford.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2010-03-31-colt-mccoy-pro-day_N.htm

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 31, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Appears Colt McCoy was a smash hit at his Pro Day (today). Green Bay's Mike McCarthy thinks he looked better than Bradford.
Posted by: Lisa_R | March 31, 2010 11:43 PM
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Okung 4th pick... blind side covered for the next 10 years for a right handed QB.. And McCoy in the 2nd round?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 31, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Clausen, one of the top recruits in the country, was cited by Indiana State Excise Police on June 23 outside a liquor store about 10 p.m. on a Saturday night near campus along with a 23-year-old who bought two bottles of vodka, a bottle of whiskey and a case of beer.
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Oh yes I knew I would find this little brush with the law somewhere. Now what was that about being a leader on and off the field?

Posted by: PublicEnemy1 | March 31, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Are you really trying to fault an 18 year old at college for trying to score some booze and maybe if he's lucky get a shot of azz?

Really????

I'm NOT a proponent if drafting Clausen, but damn... trying to say he's got character issues for doing what every other freshman away at college does is really weak.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 1, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

So Clausen had great stats but didn't win games becaue of a lousy offensive line. He did however have very good WR's. The Skins JC had good and improved stats, but didn't win games because of a lousy offensive line and coaching problems, AND his WR's were still developing, not to mention he truly had practice squad RB's at the end of the year. But the JC haters embrace the excuses for Clausen at the same time they reject the very same excuses for our JC.

Posted by: kenboy1 | April 1, 2010 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Unbeknownst to them, in Indiana, it's illegal for someone who is under age to drive someone who is old enough to drink to the liquor store.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 31, 2010 11:18 PM

I recall the 1st time I flew into Indiana from California. I need to set my watch forward 2 hours and backwards 30 years.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Unbeknownst to them, in Indiana, it's illegal for someone who is under age to drive someone who is old enough to drink to the liquor store.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 31, 2010 11:18 PM

I recall the 1st time I flew into Indiana from California. I need to set my watch forward 2 hours and backwards 30 years.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 1, 2010 12:16 AM |

yeah, south bend is right abouts mennonite country. they make good strawberry jam, but that's about all the area's got to recommend it.

Posted by: terrapin3 | April 1, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

yeah, south bend is right abouts mennonite country. they make good strawberry jam, but that's about all the area's got to recommend it.

Posted by: terrapin3
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Their speed stick deodorant's pretty good too.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 1, 2010 1:32 AM | Report abuse

C'mon whatever it takes we just need a good and strong leadership from a quarterback and we all freaking know that! Enough is enough lets go with the flow if you believe Shany! After all he's the MAN! Just watch!........Go Skins!

Posted by: a3nidad | April 1, 2010 2:21 AM | Report abuse


"Despite often being battered behind a line that struggled in pass protection, Clausen improved statistically each season."

Gee, didn't our current QB do this?

PULEEEZE find another topic to write about. The fantasy QB search has grown old.

Posted by: boomer5 | April 1, 2010 6:02 AM | Report abuse

So Vinny thinks he has great potential? Who cares?

The so-called former "Vice President for Football Operations" had about as many accomplishments as does the Mohammedan in Chief. Do they have a Nobel Prize for Football? Vinny Ceratto mmmmmmmm mmmmmmmm mmmmmmmm

Posted by: JohnMD1022 | April 1, 2010 6:46 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: League-Source | April 1, 2010 6:51 AM | Report abuse

Does anybody think Coach Mike Shanahan is interested in drafting and "raising" a quarterback?

I haven't heard...

Posted by: Scoonie97 | April 1, 2010 6:56 AM | Report abuse

I like what Clausen just stated and it would seem like that is exactly what we or anybody else is looking for in a QB, but I'm not fooled take the lineman. this is the same Charlie Weiss that produced Brady Quinn don't forget about that. Quinn's numbers took off under Weiss and he was suppose to be the next Tom Brady the jury is still out on him though, but not for long.

Posted by: Hackersk | April 1, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Knowing how well a QB will do at the pro level is part science, and a lot of LUCK!
History shows how many QB`s taken at the top of the draft..flamed out.
I will reverse the argument made in above blogs. You can find NFL type QB`s in later rounds. Some need a couple of years to develop, and can do so...while we have J.C. as our starter.
We saw the pressure Jason was under all year.
He is an experienced QB..who has improved..no doubt. Shanny was really successful in Denver in large part due to his O line. Elway is in the Hall of Fame,
but without a great O line..I wonder?
Remember the O line when Washington won 3 Super Bowels..with 3 different QBs. That is not a coincidence. None of the three are close to getting in the Hall.
A great O line CAN MAKE AN AVERAGE QB A WINNER, AND IT CAN MAKE A GOOD QB A HALL OF FAME GUY. For a right handed QB..you need a great left tackle. A ROOKIE QB WILL BE OVERWHELMED BY NFL DEFENSES..ESPECIALLY IF HE PLAYS IN FRONT OF A WEAK LINE. Mark Shanchez was really bad for 1/2 a year..behind a top notch O line. They had the line in place before they drafted him.

Posted by: blazerguy234 | April 1, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Why is Vinny Cerato even being mentioned here?? Are you seriously referencing on opinion he gave about a football player in your "blog"??..... COM'ON SON!

Posted by: TechGeneration | April 1, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Why is Vinny Cerato even being mentioned here?? Are you seriously referencing an opinion he gave about a football player in your "blog"??..... COM'ON SON!

Posted by: TechGeneration | April 1, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Clausen sounds like a good young man based on this article, but honestly, who cares? It doesn't take a pro coach or a rocket scientist to see after viewing even a little bit of tape from last year's season, what the Redskins CLEARLY NEED! Build the necessary infrastructure - Offensive and Defensive Lines - and THEN begin to fill in with skilled players within a solid infrastructure. So for now, let's eliminate talk of yet another Quarterback and build our team the right way!

Posted by: mvlee2 | April 1, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

To everyone on this board....SHUT UP!!!!!!!! You all are not NFL Scouts and don't know the first thing as to what is going on inside the Redskins think tank. So please, stop offering pointless knowledge or your suggestions. Go live the rest of your life and comment after April 22.

Posted by: amavroukakis | April 1, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Any QB Vinny oks we should run from!! Not walk but run away from. NO QB will have success this year until the O-line is fixed. I don't care if the guy is Touchdown Jesus, if he is on his back everyplay he won't be a good QB.

Posted by: crosscheck12 | April 1, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

If Cerrato thinks highly of Clausen that should tell you something!

Posted by: POPS1 | April 1, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

If Cerrato thinks highly of Clausen that should tell you something!

Posted by: POPS1 | April 1, 2010 11:28 AM

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nuff said! I think Clausen is a bust.

we need to give the new regime some time, we know Shanahan will get his own QB, may it be this year or next year and I know he has a plan to rebuild the line through the draft this year or next year, free agency or whatever, This is a new Redskins team!

HTTR!

Posted by: datruth21 | April 1, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Don't know much about Clausen, but he does fight back.

Posted by: zcezcest1
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Except for when punched in the face outside a local south bend bar/grill

Posted by: bhickson | April 1, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Any QB Vinny oks we should run from!! Not walk but run away from.
Posted by: crosscheck12
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Vinny also thinks Okung is the best OT in the draft.. Oh no what do we do now??? He also liked Cooley and Sean Taylor.. does that mean they aren't/weren't great players???

Posted by: sovine08 | April 1, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

I like what Clausen just stated and it would seem like that is exactly what we or anybody else is looking for in a QB, but I'm not fooled take the lineman. this is the same Charlie Weiss that produced Brady Quinn don't forget about that. Quinn's numbers took off under Weiss and he was suppose to be the next Tom Brady the jury is still out on him though, but not for long.Posted by: Hackersk
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I like Clausen to but so what if he came from the same system as Quinn.. Tom Brady went to Michigan.. he followed Brien Griese who followed Todd Collins... does that mean they all had equal success in the NFL??? They are different players with different skills.. you can no more tell how good Clausen will be by looking at Quinn as you could tell how good Brady would be by looking at Griese.

Posted by: sovine08 | April 1, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

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