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Posted at 4:13 PM ET, 01/26/2011

Kiper believes Redskins will take Cam Newton

By Rick Maese

Draft analysts see the University of Washington's Jake Locker as a guy who will be available in the middle to the latter part of the first round. If the Redskins plan to chase a quarterback with their No. 10 pick, they might be considering some of the other names on the market.

ESPN's Mel Kiper, Jr. held a conference call Wednesday and explained why he's projecting that the Redskins and Coach Mike Shanahan will select Auburn's Cam Newton in April's draft.

"I think Shanahan needs to address this position with a young quarterback. He went the veteran route with [Donovan] McNabb. It didn't work," Kiper said. "I think he needs to bring in -- as he did in Denver [where] he drafted [Jay] Cutler out of Vanderbilt -- to get a young quarterback that he can mold."

Kiper pointed out that the Redskins were high on Locker a year ago and would have loved to have selected him with the No. 4 pick.

"That would have obviously nixed that McNabb trade," he said. "It would have been interesting. That would have rewritten history had Locker come out last year."

But Kiper clearly doesn't think Locker is worthy of the No. 10 pick in the draft. On his "big board," Kiper has Locker listed as the 25th-best prospect in this year's draft. He has Missouri's Blaine Gabbert, Newton and Arkansas's Ryan Mallet listed ahead of Locker at quarterback.

Fellow ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay also has the Redskins taking Newton. McShay, though, has Locker going to Tennessee with the No. 8 pick.

But Kiper feels Locker's stock has dropped him out of the top-10.

"I don't see him going that early," Kiper said. "He hasn't done much at the Senior Bowl practices to wow me over. I watched him all year. He started out the year as the No. 1 player. ...Some still think he'll go in the top 10 to 15. I don't.

"If Shanahan wants to take a shot at him and still has a high opinion despite this subpar year -- I'm being kind when I say subpar; against college defenses he wasn't able to get it done -- then maybe Jake Locker could go there. But I gave them Cam Newton.

"I gave them Cam Newton because I think that's the kind of quarterback that can be molded, and he has all the potential, all the upside you could want," Kiper said.

By Rick Maese  | January 26, 2011; 4:13 PM ET
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I don't want Cam Newton.

I honestly don't know why, but I just don't want him.

Maybe I'm just wary of college quarterbacks who run a lot and throw some too.

Maybe he reminds me of Vince Young, and that hasn't turned out so great.

Maybe his sketchball dad has me thinking we've got a character concern here and do I really want him holding the keys to the team?

Maybe I don;t want another Auburn QB for little while.

Maybe it's b/c I can't stand Mel Kiper.

I don't know.

Posted by: p1funk | January 26, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Well, to be honest, I would far prefer they work on the D-Line, starting with a NT who can hold the middle and a 3-4 DE who can take some of the pass-rushing pressure off of Rak. A good D-line covers a lot of sins, just as a good O-Line will.

Granted, this is Kiper, who is wrong more often than Al Gore wearing a pair of swimming trunks during a Buffalo blizzard, so I am not worrying too much about it. I would prefer Locker over Newton. For all his faults, (and not all of them his), he is far more "NFL-ready" than Newton is. Assuming he ever will be.

Posted by: NosferatusCoffin | January 26, 2011 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Who cares how Kiper has them rated? The real question that will not be answered here is, how does MS have them rated?

Hopefully MS is thinking of the #31 rated D and looks at OLB at 10 and DT in 2nd.

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 26, 2011 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes, Grasshopper, the monks (players) need a stick broken over their head to achieve Enlightenment..

Posted by: frak | January 26, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Cam Newton is not Vince Young or Jason Campbell. If you don't believe me, check his driver's license. It will say "Cam Newton." Different people altogether.

Posted by: EdDC | January 26, 2011 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Cam Newton is not Vince Young or Jason Campbell. If you don't believe me, check his driver's license. It will say "Cam Newton." Different people altogether.

Posted by: EdDC | January 26, 2011 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Love this post!

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 26, 2011 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Go and look at Aaron Rodgers numbers at Cal, now go look at Lockers at UW, hopefully you will see the difference, maybe not?.


The knock on Rodgers at the draft:

"He's a Ted Tedford system kid who won't repeat those numbers inthe pros."

The knock on Roethlisberger at the draft:

"Miami didn't play the same competition as either Rivers or Manning, so I dunno if we can trust his numbers."

The knock on Flacco:

"Well, Delaware didn't face the big time programs, so who can trust his numbers?"

The knock on Elway:

"Dude wants to play baseball--let him."

The knock on Marino

"Is he a druggie?"

The knock on Favre:

"How do you say his name again?"

The praise wasted on Leinhart, Smith, Campbell, Carr, Young, Russell, Harrington, etc.:

"Big schools, big college numbers, they should be great pros just based on their college performance alone."

"Their base set of tools as athletes--speed, arm strenght, and size?"

"Who pays attention to that?"

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 26, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Skins HAVE to draft Cam Newton, an absolute MUST. Dude is just as good (if not better than) as MV#7, and isnt missing screws like V.Young. Cam is 6'6 250 with a rocket for an arm and is mobile, gotta get him. He is substantially better than Jason Campbell. He isnt addicted to purple drank like Jamarcus. Look at Tebow, he has been sucessful and Cam is much better than Tebow. Cams dad is such a non-issue. We gotta pick him, easily the best prospect

Posted by: abeisavol2 | January 26, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Kiper had has taking Clausen last YR at #4 and he has no clue as to who we will select.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 26, 2011 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Mel or Mike? That's like choosing between root canal without novocaine and getting hit in the gonads. Let's leave these buffoons with moist towels alone.

Posted by: v6this | January 26, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

RE: Marino

That reminds of what one old pre-season book I bought back in '83 said about him, after being drafted by the Dolphins.

"Marino is strictly a backup."

This with David Woodley as the starting QB. (Granted, Marino was coming off of sub-par senior season with a lesser Pitt team). Sounds a bit familiar nowadays.

Posted by: NosferatusCoffin | January 26, 2011 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Who cares how Kiper has them rated? The real question that will not be answered here is, how does MS have them rated?

kerzon417 | January 26, 2011 4:29 PM

This and Monks funny pretend post about 'Redskins being interested in everyone' pretty much sums it up.

Shanahan amongst other things has a reputation for not letting ANYTHING on who he wants to draft get out that he doesn't want to get out (ie misinformation etc).

Nobody anywhere, draft expert or the constant talking heads/bloggers had really tagged Shanahan was interested in Cutler until he drafted him. Although he had other QB's visit in Denver the guy he did draft he didn't. Since there are so many people throwing a whole bunch of names at the wall someone will get lucky and guess who Shanny will draft, but he ain't going to let anything on. Allen is much the same.

Not every coach or GM shows their hand like Cerrato did!

Posted by: craig81 | January 26, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

What I like about Cam:

He doesn't get rattled under pressure, has come from behind victories.

Dude just wins.

Also if we have a strong running game he will be dangerous.

Heck, Vick was not a good QB until this year, but his teams won.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 26, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Anyway, Kiper is so often so very wrong, more so than even other prominent 'mock drafters' I'm not quite sure how the SJK keeps his made up job anyhow.

He says we are going to draft Newton?

Then we're not. 'Book it'.

Posted by: craig81 | January 26, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

"I think Shanahan needs to address this position with a young quarterback. He went the veteran route with [Donovan] McNabb. It didn't work," Kiper said. "I think he needs to bring in -- as he did in Denver [where] he drafted [Jay] Cutler out of Vanderbilt -- to get a young quarterback that he can mold."

Interesting point. But Shanahan's biggest successes has always come with veteran QBs.

People keep using Jay Cutler as an example of what Shanahan should do, but Cutler is not really a big success story for Shanahan.

Shanahan never had a winning record with Jay Cutler. The 2006 Broncos had a 9-7 record in Cutler's rookie year--built on the 7-4 start with Jake Plummer--missing the playoffs when Cutler went 2-3 the rest of the way. Three year's after drafting Cutler, Shanahan was fired.

Shanahan has been successful building around veteran QBs, and I expect he will continue to follow that pattern.

Sorry, Cam.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 26, 2011 4:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure we will take QB at 10. Which one is the question.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 26, 2011 4:56 PM | Report abuse

IF there's a draft, I can't see the REDSKINS going after a #10 pick at q-back. It's needed god knows, but not realistic.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 26, 2011 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Cam Newton is a very accurate passer when he is under pressure or has to go beyond his first read. Normally if the first read he tucks the ball and takes off. He has to be able to make completions to his second or third options in the NFL. The defenses are too fast and the schemes too good.

Having said that, he is tremendous at leading a team down the field when they are behind and have to score. something to be said for that.

Posted by: will_ga | January 26, 2011 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan has been successful building around veteran QBs, and I expect he will continue to follow that pattern.

Sorry, Cam.

Alan4 | January 26, 2011 4:54 PM

And my guess is that guy will be Alex Smith.

Posted by: craig81 | January 26, 2011 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't want Cam Newton.

I honestly don't know why, but I just don't want him.

Maybe I'm just wary of college quarterbacks who run a lot and throw some too.

Maybe he reminds me of Vince Young, and that hasn't turned out so great.

Maybe his sketchball dad has me thinking we've got a character concern here and do I really want him holding the keys to the team?

Maybe I don;t want another Auburn QB for little while.

Maybe it's b/c I can't stand Mel Kiper.

I don't know.

Posted by: p1funk | January 26, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

For me it's a little of everything.

Also, I don't really see where all the scouts are saying yes, he's a bonafide NFL QB.

With the number of holes, lack of depth, and little draft picks we cannot afford to spend the number 10 pick on a questionable project at QB.

This pick has to be a no brainier and home run ala Orakapo and Williams.

With that I be we go NT or Outside LB if we don't trade out of that slot. Which I doubt we will.

Posted by: Devo2 | January 26, 2011 5:02 PM | Report abuse

iH8dallas

He doesn't get rattled under pressure, has come from behind victories...Dude just wins.


I'm not here to shill for Cam Newton: the kid's play does that for him.

But when you watch big-bodied, strong-armed guys like Josh Freeman and Big Ben, you can see where Newton might fit into the NFL.

Realistically, the kid should remain in school.

Realistically, he is not a scholar, and just wants to make money as a pro football player.

Truthfully, he will improve more ridin' the pine in the NFL than helping Auburn U and the NCAA get rich.

And so, he should go make his own pot 'o gold--burgandy and gold if it should be, and so be it.

Someone will draft him, let him sit until late in the 2011 season, then ease him in with about 5 games left.

'Cuz truthfully, that is the most realistic way for him to get his grounding as an NFL player.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 26, 2011 5:05 PM | Report abuse

I just don't know what to say, except that if a good QB is NOT there, then take a D lineman or a OLB ala Aggie...

Posted by: ElYeah | January 26, 2011 5:05 PM | Report abuse

NT, RT and C's are not taken with a #10 pick. It will be either QB or OLB...Von Miller, Jake Locker or Cam Newton. Wake up people. NT Phil Taylor or C Mike Pouncey or C Rodney Hudson will be the round 2 pick. Easy.

Posted by: tramellcanady | January 26, 2011 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Newton just doesn't seem likes he's going to be intelligent enough to read NFL defenses. His athletic ability isn't a concern. Then i worry about his accuracy. I think intelligence and accuracy are the two most important things when looking for a new QB. I'd go LB or DL in the first and OL in the 2nd.

Posted by: vtsquirm1 | January 26, 2011 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Thank u tramellcanady:

U dont use a top 10 pick on a NT or C

Skins go "All In" with Cam and hit the jackpot. J.Campbell had Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams to hand the ball off too while at "The Barn" Cam had a freshman RB and thats it. Cam is a player and will make the plays needed to win us games

PS: I still think we should have drafted Eric Berry over Williams

Posted by: abeisavol2 | January 26, 2011 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Newton just doesn't seem likes he's going to be intelligent enough to read NFL defenses...

Posted by: vtsquirm1 | January 26, 2011 5:12 PM


And what, exactly, do you base THIS insight on?

Posted by: Alan4 | January 26, 2011 5:14 PM | Report abuse

What do I think of Fat Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan? I think the following quote says it all...

'I make my practices real hard because if a player is a quitter, I want him to quit in practice, not in a game.' - Bear Bryant / Alabama

Posted by: dmr0834 | January 26, 2011 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Mark Sanchez is a Mexican American who played at USC. Should the Skins draft the next one of those? I'm just trying to follow the reasoning regarding not drafting Cam Newton because of what Vince Young and Jason Campbell have done in the NFL. I've frequently heard this same reasoning many times, beyond this blog, just in everyday conversations.

NCoffin makes a good point above that Cam is not NFL ready, probably because he played in a different kind of system at Auburn. How significant is that? And how good is Cam's arm? Reports are that he has a great arm. What are his deficiencies?

Posted by: EdDC | January 26, 2011 5:21 PM | Report abuse

IF there's a draft, I can't see the REDSKINS going after a #10 pick at q-back. It's needed god knows, but not realistic.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 26, 2011 4:59 PM |

There is no if there is going to be a draft no matter what.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 26, 2011 5:24 PM | Report abuse

And my guess is that guy will be Alex Smith.

Posted by: craig81 | January 26, 2011 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I called this on a while back.

We'll draft a QB next year.

Posted by: Devo2 | January 26, 2011 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Newtons stats from this season he is far more than a running QB.

YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2010 185 280 2854 66.1 10.19 94 30 7 23 182.05

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 26, 2011 5:28 PM | Report abuse

At least I still have the Caps and they are starting to slip... DC sports cursed once again...

Posted by: outbeeze | January 26, 2011 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Cam is the best choice but again it's the curse of the Black QB in Washington. Doug Williams, Jason Campbell and Donovan McNabb if your a Black QB forget it. The Deadskins have no Patience for a Black QB as they do their counterparts.

Posted by: gjricks | January 26, 2011 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Young QB's are almost always a long term project, regardless of athleticism. Bradford was the only player drafted in recent years that was considered a sure thing by most scouts when he came out. Luck might be the same next year, but this year there just isn't a sure thing. We need an immediate impact player at #10, not a project. Save QB for a later round.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 26, 2011 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Interesting Locker tidbit from Mort

".....he played the last 6 games with three broken ribs. He knows he has an accuracy problem he needs to tweak."

Didn't know that. You'd think 3 broken ribs might effect the kids accuracy somewhat. The next couple months should be interesting re: Locker

Posted by: skinswest | January 26, 2011 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody remember the statement from Coach MS ealier this year? He said "If we can find a young QB or maybe a young Mcnabb we may have to take a chance on a QB". Who fits that bill in this draft better then Newton?

Posted by: buddybuttons5 | January 26, 2011 5:44 PM | Report abuse


for crying out loud, get the d-line and o-line straightened out, THEN aquire a freakin QB.

SAVE THE WHALES !!!

Posted by: hessone | January 26, 2011 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody remember the statement from Coach MS ealier this year? He said "If we can find a young QB or maybe a young Mcnabb we may have to take a chance on a QB". Who fits that bill in this draft better then Newton?

Posted by: buddybuttons5 | January 26, 2011 5:44 PM

You are too focused on race. The best comparison to a young McNabb is Locker.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 26, 2011 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Newton just doesn't seem likes he's going to be intelligent enough to read NFL defenses...

If it'll make you feel better, I'll have him buy you a library and a teacher so you can learn not to post dumb-azzed crap like this.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 26, 2011 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Cam is the best choice but again it's the curse of the Black QB in Washington. Doug Williams, Jason Campbell and Donovan McNabb if your a Black QB forget it. The Deadskins have no Patience for a Black QB as they do their counterparts.

Posted by: gjricks

This isn't a black thing. Name a QB the Skins have had patience with in the last 25 years.

Posted by: Jurgensen9 | January 26, 2011 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Save QB for a later round.

You're right.

Let's spent time developing a mediocre player so we can later have a mediocre, mature Jon Kitna-type quarterback who's at least been developed.

Makes a lotta sense.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 26, 2011 5:55 PM | Report abuse

NT, RT and C's are not taken with a #10 pick.

Posted by: tramellcanady | January 26, 2011 5:07 PM

Good argument - if it were correct.

2009 draft, "With the 9th pick the GB Packers select....BJ Raji, DT"

And now you know .....the rest of the story.

Posted by: bones21 | January 26, 2011 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell and Donovan McNabb if your a Black QB forget it. The Deadskins have no Patience for a Black QB as they do their counterparts.

Posted by: gjricks


You have to be eff'ing kidding right? JC was given how many years?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 26, 2011 6:09 PM | Report abuse


Cam is the best choice but again it's the curse of the Black QB in Washington. Doug Williams, Jason Campbell and Donovan McNabb if your a Black QB forget it. The Deadskins have no Patience for a Black QB as they do their counterparts.

Posted by: gjricks | January 26, 2011 5:39 PM |
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gjricks

doug williams led a second quarter assalt against the broncos in SB xxii that might not ever be matched. yet a black QB in washington doesn't have a chance ?

Posted by: hessone | January 26, 2011 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Save QB for a later round.

You're right.

Let's spent time developing a mediocre player so we can later have a mediocre, mature Jon Kitna-type quarterback who's at least been developed.

Makes a lotta sense.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 26, 2011 5:55 PM | Report abuse

LOL. Thank you. This is my point exactly. why spend two to three years developing a guy. If all he's going to be is average for our team because he doesn't have the tools. Seems like a waste of time, especially when you don't have exceptional quarterback play right now to at least hold the fort in the mean time.

Posted by: culprit59 | January 26, 2011 6:10 PM | Report abuse

NT, RT and C's are not taken with a #10 pick.

Posted by: tramellcanady

I think NTs are going to be taken earlier and earlier. Most of them are DTs in college anyway. Raji and Suh were both DTs in college, both went top 10 and both are impact players.

As more and more teams go 3-4 (though Denver might reverse this trend), NTs are going to become much harder to find. And finding a good one isn't easy now ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 26, 2011 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Jurgensen9 and Moe are right, when was the last time we had a "project" QB work out for the Skins?? The quarterback we select comes out of the collegiate vagina WALKIN' AND TALKIN', like Flacco and Ryan did...

Posted by: frak | January 26, 2011 6:21 PM | Report abuse


As more and more teams go 3-4 (though Denver might reverse this trend), NTs are going to become much harder to find. And finding a good one isn't easy now ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 26, 2011 6:12 PM |
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getting a DT to want to play NT is half the battle, as we're all aware of in more ways than one.

we need to build solid o-lines and d-lines as a foundation for this team. filling in the blanks can come later.

Posted by: hessone | January 26, 2011 6:23 PM | Report abuse

fwiw, I think Rodgers completed something like 20 passes in a row vs USC when he was in college. A bunch of scouts had been there to watch the USC QB (Leinart, I think) and a few of the other SC big boys. They left talking about Rodgers.

Posted by: zcezcest1
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So why did Aaron R get picked so low in the 1st round?

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 26, 2011 6:28 PM | Report abuse


Save QB for a later round.

You're right.

Let's spent time developing a mediocre player so we can later have a mediocre, mature Jon Kitna-type quarterback who's at least been developed.

Makes a lotta sense.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 26, 2011 5:55 PM |
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moe

play thru with grossman at QB this coming season and aquire a FA QB next offseason, unless we don't improve our record next season. then maybe go for locker. funny thing is, locker can be a bust just like anyone before him.


Posted by: hessone | January 26, 2011 6:30 PM | Report abuse

getting a DT to want to play NT is half the battle, as we're all aware of in more ways than one.

we need to build solid o-lines and d-lines as a foundation for this team. filling in the blanks can come later.


Posted by: hessone | January 26, 2011 6:23 PM |

Getting a college DT to play NT is very easy. Getting a true professional who actually likes football to make that switch is pretty easy to. Getting a fat lazy POS who cares only about money to do anything is hard.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 26, 2011 6:30 PM | Report abuse

This isn't a black thing. Name a QB the Skins have had patience with in the last 25 years.

Posted by: Jurgensen9


Jason Campbell, remember him?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 26, 2011 6:30 PM | Report abuse

You know, here's the deal. It's easy to compare Cam Newton to Jason Campbell or Vince Young or Jamarcus Russell but any comparisons are really baseless. He is NOT any of those guys so any comparisons are based on little other than "he's a running QB" or (God I can't believe I'm saying this) race. Here's the real problem with Cam Newton...he ran a spread option offense. This requires 1 read and then run. He didn't have to read defenses and he didn't have to learn a complex offense. He looked at one guy, maybe a second and then ran. That's the reality and that's the knock. Does this mean he can't learn an NFL offense? No. Does that mean he can't learn to read defenses? Absolutely not. It does mean he cannot start year one and that he has a large learning curve. Having said that he is not my first or second or tenth pick but I would not cry if we took him. Dude is an athlete and a competitor. He should have a no contact clause in his contract for his dead beat, loser of a father though.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 26, 2011 6:32 PM | Report abuse

play thru with grossman at QB this coming season and aquire a FA QB next offseason, unless we don't improve our record next season. then maybe go for locker. funny thing is, locker can be a bust just like anyone before him.


Posted by: hessone | January 26, 2011 6:30 PM

Let me get this straight; if we do bad next year you want to trade whatever team picks Locker this year for him? Wierd.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 26, 2011 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Let's spent time developing a mediocre player so we can later have a mediocre, mature Jon Kitna-type quarterback who's at least been developed.
Makes a lotta sense.
Posted by: gimmesummoe

My whole point is that first round isn't a sure thing just because it's the first round. Brady was a 6th rounder. Does that make sense to you? Young QB's need time to develop. Where they are picked has very little to do with how well they do in the NFL when you look at the overall picture. Alex Smith, J. Russell, etc. All first rounders.

If you think Locker or Newton are a sure thing then that is your opinion. Just like it's my opinion that they aren't.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 26, 2011 6:42 PM | Report abuse

North linebackers leave a bit to be desired By Pat Kirwan |

Published: January 26th, 2011 | Tags: 2011 Senior Bowl, 2011 Senior Bowl,

MOBILE, Ala. — Michigan State’s Greg Jones had a lot of buzz entering Senior Bowl practices this week, but he has failed to live up to the hype. He’s way too stiff and struggled during blitz drills.

Perhaps most concerning about Jones is that he continually got caught up in the wash during running plays. If you aren’t able to escape blockers and avoid traffic in the middle of the field during a practice in which you know a particular running play is coming, that’s a bad sign.

He has not been particularly impressive so far. Then again, he’s not alone.

Boston College linebacker Mark Herzlich deserves all the credit in the world for beating cancer and coming back as a productive player for the Eagles this season, but he just doesn’t possess the speed necessary to succeed in the NFL. He was beaten on the wheel route several times by the running back, and he has no quick twitch.

Oregon’s Casey Matthews has also had a tough time. He puts forth great effort and tries hard, but he is more suited for a special teams/backup role in the NFL. He has a difficult time covering tight ends and was not overly successful as a blitzer. His best spot on defense probably is as an inside ‘backer on a 3-4 team.

There was one noteworthy North linebacker. Connecticut’s Lawrence Wilson flashed exceptional ability as a blitzer and demonstrated suddenness and a quick twitch. He has multiple pass-rush moves, and his best fit probably is as a strong-side linebacker in the 4-3.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 26, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

fwiw, I think Rodgers completed something like 20 passes in a row vs USC when he was in college. A bunch of scouts had been there to watch the USC QB (Leinart, I think) and a few of the other SC big boys. They left talking about Rodgers.

Posted by: zcezcest1
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So why did Aaron R get picked so low in the 1st round?

Posted by: Oogalaboogala |

Kind of funny, but he was close to being #1 overall. SF was trying to decide between Rodgers and Smith. Once he got passed over, he just went into free fall. Not sure why, maybe teams figured he'd be gone by then and had decided on different plans. Also possible some were skeptical of a Tedford-coached QB -- he had a history of good in college, not so good in the pro ranks.

I can say this ... the only guy taken ahead of Rodgers that is even close to Rodgers caliber of player is dmarcus ware.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 26, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

play thru with grossman at QB this coming season and aquire a FA QB next offseason, unless we don't improve our record next season. then maybe go for locker. funny thing is, locker can be a bust just like anyone before him.

Posted by: hessone | January 26, 2011 6:30 PM

Let me get this straight; if we do bad next year you want to trade whatever team picks Locker this year for him? Wierd.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 26, 2011 6:36 PM |

Scamp,

I think he meant Luck next year but there's only one way that will happen 0-16 or 1-15.

Nobody is trading out of that 1 when Luck is there especially when there will be a rookie pay scale by then.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 26, 2011 6:44 PM | Report abuse

I think there are too many strikes against Newton to take him at #10 in the first round - especially when you consider the incredible talent still on the board on the defensive side and our desperate need on that side.


He only had one good year.

He came out of a system that is not "Pro friendly"

Concerns about reading D's and going through progressions.

Character/family issues

Throwing motion/accuracy.


Individually, some of these may be debatable, but collectively to me they are a "Pass" in the first round. In my book, he is too much like Kaepernick, lots of upside and questions. That's why Kaepernick in the 3rd round is a better value than Cam in the first.

I think we would be better served taking DaQuan Bowers or Von Miller or JJ Watt at #10 and then seeing if Phil Taylor or Martez Wilson or Ryan Kerrigan or Adrian Clayborn falls to us in the second round.

That would be a very solid start.

Of course, if Jonathan Baldwin were still there in the second round.... (see how easy it is to second guess yourself when you this many open spots)

Posted by: edvar | January 26, 2011 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Interesting Locker tidbit from Mort

".....he played the last 6 games with three broken ribs. He knows he has an accuracy problem he needs to tweak."

Didn't know that. You'd think 3 broken ribs might effect the kids accuracy somewhat. The next couple months should be interesting re: Locker

Posted by: skinswest | January 26, 2011 5:44 PM

I brought this point up a week or two ago when some blogger mentioned that Newton had the "intangible" over Locker. The biggest issue with Locker is his ability to go through progressions. It's going to interesting following Locker through the draft process. Again, I'd much rather the first two picks go to the defense's front 7, but if Locker/Newton is the choice at 10 it'll be an understandable choice.

Posted by: TWISI | January 26, 2011 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Everytime Mel Kiper talks I, literally, poop my pants.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | January 26, 2011 6:58 PM | Report abuse

we need to build solid o-lines and d-lines as a foundation for this team. filling in the blanks can come later.

Posted by: hessone

I think the model used by the Jets is a pretty good one. Build the lines first, then spend to acquire the QB that you can start early in his career.

On that team, Sanchez is still a weak link, but he won't be that forever. The Jets look to be competitive for years to come.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 26, 2011 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone else read the Mike Wise article today? I know there are some up here who have sworn off him, and I can't blame you. He has been an arrogant prikk about the Skins since he arrived, but today's article was just weird. Like he was saying farewell or something. Basically he just came right out and called all DC sports fans losers. Didn't hint at it, came right out and said the word Losers.

My guess is that he's ready to bolt town for ESPN or some other haven for bitter hacks.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 26, 2011 7:03 PM | Report abuse


play thru with grossman at QB this coming season and aquire a FA QB next offseason, unless we don't improve our record next season. then maybe go for locker. funny thing is, locker can be a bust just like anyone before him.


Posted by: hessone | January 26, 2011 6:30 PM

Let me get this straight; if we do bad next year you want to trade whatever team picks Locker this year for him? Wierd.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 26, 2011 6:36 PM |

Scamp,

I think he meant Luck next year but there's only one way that will happen 0-16 or 1-15.

Nobody is trading out of that 1 when Luck is there especially when there will be a rookie pay scale by then.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 26, 2011 6:44 PM |
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it depends on how lockers senior year goes. his value could drop, one never knows. flounds point is well taken. I'd never want the redskins to trade up, rather I hope they trade down if they don't like what's at #10 this year. the census is the d-line is the cream of the crop in this years draft. hope we draft d-line early and o-line later. if we get this part of the team straight, FA next offseason

Posted by: hessone | January 26, 2011 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone else read the Mike Wise article today? I know there are some up here who have sworn off him, and I can't blame you. He has been an arrogant prikk about the Skins since he arrived, but today's article was just weird. Like he was saying farewell or something. Basically he just came right out and called all DC sports fans losers. Didn't hint at it, came right out and said the word Losers.

My guess is that he's ready to bolt town for ESPN or some other haven for bitter hacks.

Posted by: NYPDee

Haven't read his stuff in ages. If he's leaving town, I'm not sure most people would notice at this point.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 26, 2011 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Actually, what I menat to say was: "Individually, some of these may be debatable, but collectively to me they are a "Pass" in the first round" at #10...

Posted by: edvar | January 26, 2011 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Scamp,

I think he meant Luck next year but there's only one way that will happen 0-16 or 1-15.

Nobody is trading out of that 1 when Luck is there especially when there will be a rookie pay scale by then.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 26, 2011 6:44 PM

Gotcha...that makes more sense.

Also, I made that exact same point 2 days ago. Luck is a pipe dream. No way we tank a season just to get him.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 26, 2011 7:09 PM | Report abuse

if we get this part of the team straight, FA next offseason


Posted by: hessone | January 26, 2011 7:04 PM |

There wont be over 400 FA's next year like there will be this year, with all the needs this team has they have to be big players in FA this year. They just have to be smart about it unlike Vinny.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 26, 2011 7:11 PM | Report abuse

"Kiper believes Redskins will take Cam Newton"


Yeah, and last year he believed we'd take Jimmy Clausen.

Wake me up when either Kiper gets one right or we're actually using that #10 overall pick...whichever comes first.

Something tells me we'll see the latter before the former.

Going back a couple threads, LOVE what I'm seeing about Phil Taylor...local kid coming home to man the NT spot would be a huge coup for us and I hope he's on the board when we use that 2nd round pick.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 26, 2011 7:22 PM | Report abuse

"Kiper believes Redskins will take Cam Newton"


Yeah, and last year he believed we'd take Jimmy Clausen.

Wake me up when either Kiper gets one right or we're actually using that #10 overall pick...whichever comes first.

Something tells me we'll see the latter before the former.

Going back a couple threads, LOVE what I'm seeing about Phil Taylor...local kid coming home to man the NT spot would be a huge coup for us and I hope he's on the board when we use that 2nd round pick.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 26, 2011 7:25 PM | Report abuse

"There wont be over 400 FA's next year like there will be this year, with all the needs this team has they have to be big players in FA this year. They just have to be smart about it unlike Vinny.

Posted by: Flounder21"

Yeah, and if they want Luck/Elway for Shanahan next year, they'll have to trade the house, so stock up, if that's the direction Shanny wants to go..

Posted by: frak | January 26, 2011 7:26 PM | Report abuse

This is great news from my perspective, since as others have mentioned Kiper's predictions are usually wrong.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 26, 2011 7:39 PM | Report abuse

This team desperately needs a sure-fire can't-miss player at #10. Locker and Newton both have question marks all over them. This is not the year to find a franchise QB at #10.

The Skins should be smart: draft linemen early and often.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 26, 2011 7:43 PM | Report abuse

This team desperately needs a sure-fire can't-miss player at #10. Locker and Newton both have question marks all over them. This is not the year to find a franchise QB at #10.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 26, 2011 7:43 PM |

Amen brother.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 26, 2011 7:52 PM | Report abuse

This team desperately needs a sure-fire can't-miss player at #10. Locker and Newton both have question marks all over them. This is not the year to find a franchise QB at #10.

The Skins should be smart: draft linemen early and often.

Posted by: diesel_skins_
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Yeah, but it'd be damn cool to see the Riddler taking the snap in the shotgun.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 26, 2011 7:55 PM | Report abuse

You know, here's the deal. It's easy to compare Cam Newton to Jason Campbell or Vince Young or Jamarcus Russell but any comparisons are really baseless. He is NOT any of those guys so any comparisons are based on little other than "he's a running QB" or (God I can't believe I'm saying this) race. Here's the real problem with Cam Newton...he ran a spread option offense. This requires 1 read and then run. He didn't have to read defenses and he didn't have to learn a complex offense. He looked at one guy, maybe a second and then ran. That's the reality and that's the knock. Does this mean he can't learn an NFL offense? No. Does that mean he can't learn to read defenses? Absolutely not. It does mean he cannot start year one and that he has a large learning curve. Having said that he is not my first or second or tenth pick but I would not cry if we took him. Dude is an athlete and a competitor. He should have a no contact clause in his contract for his dead beat, loser of a father though.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 26, 2011 6:32 PM | Report abuse


Scamp, how can you say it's baseless to compare Cam newton to Vince Young, when they BOTH ran the spread option in college?

The only difference is that Vince Young had more experience under his belt against top NCAA competition.


Posted by: p1funk | January 26, 2011 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Scamp, how can you say it's baseless to compare Cam newton to Vince Young, when they BOTH ran the spread option in college?

The only difference is that Vince Young had more experience under his belt against top NCAA competition.

Posted by: p1funk | January 26, 2011 8:02 PM

I can say it's baseless because they are not the same person. Vince young did fairly well in the NFL until his "mind" (or lack thereof) fell apart. I see your point on the spread option though. There obviously can be some comparison based on that but Vince's problems in the NFL aren't due to his lack of skill or talent, it's due to insanity and stupidity.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 26, 2011 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Save QB for a later round.

You're right.

Let's spent time developing a mediocre player so we can later have a mediocre, mature Jon Kitna-type quarterback who's at least been developed.

Makes a lotta sense.

Posted by: gimmesummoe

Makes at least as much sense as drafting a QB in the first round (Ramsey, Campbell) then getting him killed behind a terrible OLine.

Posted by: TheCork | January 26, 2011 8:08 PM | Report abuse

This team desperately needs a sure-fire can't-miss player at #10. Locker and Newton both have question marks all over them. This is not the year to find a franchise QB at #10.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 26, 2011 7:43 PM |

Amen brother.

Posted by: scampbell1975


Well put fellas. Now tell us just who that "Can't miss" player is.

Posted by: TheCork | January 26, 2011 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Don't follow the college game, but it sure seems like all the QBs coming out have several significant question marks. From what I read, it just doesn't seem like there is a Sam Bradford or Mark Sanchez in this draft.

My guess is that Shanny already knows if he sees someone he likes for QB. If he does, then it'll be about making sure he gets him. If not, Shanny won't feel forced into picking a QB.

Thing is, its gotten a lot harder to trust Shanny's judgment in QBs. He got rid of Campbell to get McNabb and then benched him for Grossman. Before that, in Denver, he picked Cutler with one of his highest picks ever. And Cutler hasn't been a great QB either.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 26, 2011 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Well put fellas. Now tell us just who that "Can't miss" player is.

Posted by: TheCork | January 26, 2011 8:10 PM |

That's what my namesake that works for the Skins and all the scouts, coaches, and other talent evaluators get paid the big bucks for. I'm merely a blogga.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 26, 2011 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Well put fellas. Now tell us just who that "Can't miss" player is.

Posted by: TheCork | January 26, 2011 8:10 PM |

That's what my namesake that works for the Skins and all the scouts, coaches, and other talent evaluators get paid the big bucks for. I'm merely a blogga.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 26, 2011 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Well put fellas. Now tell us just who that "Can't miss" player is.

Posted by: TheCork | January 26, 2011 8:10 PM |

That's what my namesake that works for the Skins and all the scouts, coaches, and other talent evaluators get paid the big bucks for. I'm merely a blogga.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 26, 2011 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Yes! The triple threat baby!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 26, 2011 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Newton's a serious die roll, but he did have INSTANTANEOUS impact in Auburn, unheard of bloomage in one year..Name me another college transfer who, in his senior year, had as much success and received as many accolades as Cam..And the SEC and Oregon ain't no cakewalk..

This RB got praise for his pass-blocking skills today, a la Portis, and is a Sproles-esque home run hitter...

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=69108&draftyear=2011&genpos=RB

Posted by: frak | January 26, 2011 8:26 PM | Report abuse

3 and Out Campbell...Hand of Stone Rogers.....that's 2 Auburn stiffs TOO DAMMMMMMM MANY....any more Tigers, especially at QB...would be Personnel castration...but what else is new with these BUMS......

Posted by: GRIMReaper55 | January 26, 2011 8:30 PM | Report abuse

3 and Out Campbell...Hand of Stone Rogers.....that's 2 Auburn stiffs TOO DAMMMMMMM MANY....any more Tigers, especially at QB...would be Personnel castration...but what else is new with these BUMS......

Posted by: GRIMReaper55 | January 26, 2011 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Yes! The triple threat baby!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 26, 2011 8:24 PM

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Nah. The third installment occurred 5 minutes after the duplicate post. So you get no credit for the three-peat. Just a you are a blithering idiot for pushing submit without letting the original post go through.

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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | January 26, 2011 8:38 PM | Report abuse

This team desperately needs a sure-fire can't-miss player at #10. Locker and Newton both have question marks all over them. This is not the year to find a franchise QB at #10.

The Skins should be smart: draft linemen early and often.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 26, 2011 7:43 PM |

One quick point. Most bloggers said the same thing last year about Bradford (injury histtory), and the draft before last about Sanchez( experience, and arm strength). As Moe said earlier, getting an NFL ready made without any question marks are few and far in between. At some point the Skins will have to draft their franchise qb, and in all likelihood that guy will have his warts.

Posted by: TWISI | January 26, 2011 8:40 PM | Report abuse

3 and Out Campbell...Hand of Stone Rogers.....that's 2 Auburn stiffs TOO DAMMMMMMM MANY....any more Tigers, especially at QB...would be Personnel castration...but what else is new with these BUMS......

Posted by: GRIMReaper55 | January 26, 2011 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Good stuff from alot of you guys, but...what does this person mean?

Posted by: skinswillwin | January 26, 2011 8:40 PM | Report abuse

theCork

Makes at least as much sense as drafting a QB in the first round (Ramsey, Campbell) then getting him killed behind a terrible OLine.

The only thing worse than cheap analysis is a bad analogy.

Ramsey actually played behind a decent line--Spurrier's offense wasn't designed to handle the blitz pressures NFL brought.

(i.e., no 'hot' reads--that's why folks called it a 'college offense').

Campbell played behind a bad line for two seasons.

But his tendency to make decisions slowly contributed to his ineffectiveness.

And it didn't help that the team offensive systems like it was underwear, either.

He's played well in Oakland behind a decent o-line, btw.

Too, what, we are to draft 7 offensive tackles every year until we find A Munoz and Jim Lachey?

Grow up and get a real job as the one in media is failing you.

Do some research: we have a young line composed of 3 1st time starters and two vets.

Williams, Litchensteiger, Montgomery are all 1st time NFL starters who had predictably so-so performances the final weeks of the season.

(And we had 100 yard games and 300 yards passing efforts during that time, too.)

So we replace the 3 1st time starters I list with more 1st time drafted starters to come with the same result, right?

That is what doesn't make sense.

Step away from the keyboard.

It's obvious using it and thinking at the same time are tough tasks for ya'.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 26, 2011 8:41 PM | Report abuse

...sigh...

I swear to god, some of our fans have LOW EXPECTATIONS!

The most idiotic theory is that this team can duplicate Super Bowl success with a strong line and a mediocre QB.

How many mediocre QB's are playing in this year's super bowl? How many played in last year's Super Bowl?

People...you need a top tier O-line AND a top tier QB to win!!!!

This is not 1987 or 1991...Joe Jacoby's not walkin' through that door...Jim Lashay's not walkin' through that door!!!

Draft the best available QB at 10! If it's Cam Newton then get him.

Let's grow some balls people!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 26, 2011 8:45 PM | Report abuse

3 most important positions on a football team. QB,LT to protect QB, and pass rusher to disrupt opposing QB. We have 2 of those,not saying must draft QB #10, but the position should not be some after thought

Posted by: hcic55 | January 26, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Nah. The third installment occurred 5 minutes after the duplicate post. So you get no credit for the three-peat. Just a you are a blithering idiot for pushing submit without letting the original post go through.

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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | January 26, 2011 8:38 PM |

As usual your a phuking retarded moron. I got the loseable type error message and then it triple posted. As usual you're wrong. I've got an idea, next time you think you know what you're talking about, realize that you are actually very, very stupid and you don't.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 26, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 26, 2011 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Moe,
Always like reading ur posts cuz they make soomuchmoe sense...
HTTR

Posted by: skinswillwin | January 26, 2011 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Newton only started one season in college. He is a project. You don't draft a QB project in the first round unless your name is Josh McDaniels.

Posted by: kerrdawg | January 26, 2011 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Flounder21

...with all the needs this team has they have to be big players in FA this year.


Amen, flounder.

Thing is, this is the year to look specifically for starters: a center, right/left guard, free safety, inside linebacker, wide receiver (2?), defensive tackle, and cornerback.

Solid pickups in those spots means the draft should be a quarterback, defenders (NT, right rush end), olb, and o-line backups.

What folks have to remember is that the guys in FA this go round are mostly dudes at the end of their first NFL contract: youth, then, is one good thing about this group.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 26, 2011 8:53 PM | Report abuse

3 most important positions on a football team. QB,LT to protect QB, and pass rusher to disrupt opposing QB. We have 2 of those,not saying must draft QB #10, but the position should not be some after thought

Posted by: hcic55 | January 26, 2011 8:48 PM

I agree with you mostly, but I think you really need two elite pass rushers. If you can't find an elite NT, DE, or OLB at #10 you need to trade down.

Posted by: kerrdawg | January 26, 2011 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 26, 2011 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Newton is a great player.

I saw someone post that he didn't play against the best competition.

Dude played in the SEC, and unless you don't watch college football the SEC is the best competition.

He cut through the best defenses in the country like a hot knife through butter.

I remember watching Suh at Nebraska and one thing was apparent. He was just better than everyone else.

The same thing is true with Newton. People can criticize mechanics, experience, character and any other meaningless attribute. The kid can play and he is, well, just better than everyone else.

I hope we take him.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 26, 2011 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Always like reading ur posts cuz they make soomuchmoe sense...


I suggest you also read Twisi, dizzle44, flounder21, brownwood, zcezcest1, redskinhead, monk118, PAskinsfan, scottcampbell1975, Poopy_McPoop, Playaction, frak, skinshaveagm, brandon_in_cali, redDMV, 4thfloor, learnedhand, mrredskin21, oneanygivensunday, flyinggoose, beantowngreg, thecork, rickyroge, beep-beep, and others as we all have good and bad stuff to chat about.

Avoid madmoe, gimmiesummoe, mistamoe, and mrsmoe.

Why should you avoid mrsmoe?: because with her, you have to pay to play.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 26, 2011 9:04 PM | Report abuse

The same thing is true with Newton. People can criticize mechanics, experience, character and any other meaningless attribute. The kid can play and he is, well, just better than everyone else.

I hope we take him.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 26, 2011 8:59 PM

I hope Cam and Locker for that matter get to be coached up like Tebow was during the last draft process. Tebow had all these qb gurus working with him. It was interesting.

Posted by: TWISI | January 26, 2011 9:05 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins have so many different needs that they should draft whoever they rate as the best player still available at #10, regardless of position.

I have my doubts on Newton, just because of him not playing in a pro-style offense before. He certainly has all the physical tools. As for being able to make all the reads, that's a mystery for *every* college QB, simply because college defenses are so much slower and simpler than NFL defenses, not to mention the smaller offensive playbooks in college. Taking a QB is always a gamble, but it has to be done at some point.

Posted by: acoberst1 | January 26, 2011 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Always like reading ur posts cuz they make soomuchmoe sense...

I suggest you also read Twisi, dizzle44, flounder21, brownwood, zcezcest1, redskinhead, monk118, PAskinsfan, scottcampbell1975, Poopy_McPoop, Playaction, frak, skinshaveagm, brandon_in_cali, redDMV, 4thfloor, learnedhand, mrredskin21, oneanygivensunday, flyinggoose, beantowngreg, thecork, rickyroge, beep-beep, and others as we all have good and bad stuff to chat about.

Avoid madmoe, gimmiesummoe, mistamoe, and mrsmoe.

Why should you avoid mrsmoe?: because with her, you have to pay to play.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 26, 2011 9:04 PM

Don't put me in that list buddy, I never have anything good to say. Unless I'm telling ifthethunder how worthless and stupid he is I'm usually lying.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 26, 2011 9:08 PM | Report abuse

...I forgot my dawgs iH8dallas, my mentor periculum, and hessone.


(so sorry, 'bout dat!)


HTTR!!!!!!!

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 26, 2011 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | January 26, 2011 8:02 PM

I can say it's baseless because they are not the same person. Vince young did fairly well in the NFL until his "mind" (or lack thereof) fell apart. I see your point on the spread option though. There obviously can be some comparison based on that but Vince's problems in the NFL aren't due to his lack of skill or talent, it's due to insanity and stupidity.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 26, 2011 8:07 PM | Report abuse


And Cam Newton - who got in trouble for stealing, was facing expulsion for multiple counts of cheating at Florida, only to turn around and have his family investigated and guilty of pay-to-play dealing - has all of his screws done up reeeeaaaalll tightly , eh?

Nothing to worry about this guy acting insanely or stupidly at the next level....

Posted by: p1funk | January 26, 2011 9:11 PM | Report abuse

The first step to fixing this team is to find a real defensive coordinator. Look at Haslett's career record as a DC, he is consistently horrible. No surprise he tanked the Redskins defense after Greg Blatche had it in primo status.

Posted by: dfoster1 | January 26, 2011 9:13 PM | Report abuse

And Cam Newton - who got in trouble for stealing, was facing expulsion for multiple counts of cheating at Florida, only to turn around and have his family investigated and guilty of pay-to-play dealing - has all of his screws done up reeeeaaaalll tightly , eh?
Nothing to worry about this guy acting insanely or stupidly at the next level....

Posted by: p1funk | January 26, 2011 9:11 PM |

Hey dude, I didn't say he was all there. Just because I made a point about VY doesn't mean the same thing can't be true of Cam. I don't work in absolutes as you apparently do. Back off the throttle homey, I don't want him either, I'm just not on suicide watch if they draft him.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 26, 2011 9:15 PM | Report abuse

And Cam Newton - who got in trouble for stealing, was facing expulsion for multiple counts of cheating at Florida, only to turn around and have his family investigated and guilty of pay-to-play dealing - has all of his screws done up reeeeaaaalll tightly , eh?
Nothing to worry about this guy acting insanely or stupidly at the next level....

Posted by: p1funk | January 26, 2011 9:11 PM |

But I doubt he will run off crying to his momma if he gets booed like VY.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 26, 2011 9:20 PM | Report abuse

...on Newton, just because of him not playing in a pro-style offense before.

Excellent point: if the Shanahans had no patience or DM5, how would a rookie fit into the world of their 'scheme'?

This is why despite what Kiper says, I think the Shanahans will really be tossed between R Mallett and Jake Locker: both hace more time under their belts, and might be equal talents by their measure.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 26, 2011 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Redskins defense after Greg Blatche had it in primo status.

Posted by: dfoster1 | January 26, 2011 9:13 PM |

This is a joke right? This was a defense that consistently lost us games by giving up 4th quarter drives for scores. Top 10 means dick when you can't stop a team from scoring on you when it counts the most.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 26, 2011 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Research Cam...This dude is kinda ridiculous...After transferring from Florida where he was heavily recruited because he didn't want to be behind Tebow on the bench, he immediately led his JUCO team to the National Championship...Then he transferred to Auburn and, well, we all know the rest of the story..Aside from the stolen computer notebook (kids nowadays) and the meddlesome father, this guy has INSTANT CHAMPION written all over him..You have to be a quick read and sharp to lead your 1st year offense to the Championship...This guy is the forshizzle the izzle..Hope we get him...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cam_Newton

Posted by: frak | January 26, 2011 9:25 PM | Report abuse

I don't care if he was an ax murderer, I want the Skins to WIN..

Posted by: frak | January 26, 2011 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Research Cam...This dude is kinda ridiculous...After transferring from Florida where he was heavily recruited because he didn't want to be behind Tebow on the bench, he immediately led his JUCO team to the National Championship...Then he transferred to Auburn and, well, we all know the rest of the story..Aside from the stolen computer notebook (kids nowadays) and the meddlesome father, this guy has INSTANT CHAMPION written all over him..You have to be a quick read and sharp to lead your 1st year offense to the Championship...This guy is the forshizzle the izzle..Hope we get him...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cam_Newton

Posted by: frak | January 26, 2011 9:25 PM |

Hey, nothing remotely positive about Cam while P1's around or he'll cry. Still don't want him.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 26, 2011 9:29 PM | Report abuse

twisi

Tebow had all these qb gurus working with him. It was interesting.


I thought Tebow was nothing until I caught him playing againt the texans (yeah, I know--houston's D sucks).

He looked like a real NFL quarterback.

And he only proves that highly committed ego-centric athletes will do whatever to prove people wrong--and earn a lotta money.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 26, 2011 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Well, the old Dostoevski quote from when he was in jail,"A finer timber of man I have never met ,than those to be found behind bars.." And studies have shown, criminal adolescents, once corrected, tend to be model citizens and leaders of communities..

Posted by: frak | January 26, 2011 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Please..Please..Please don't take Newton. Take Locker if you think he was your #1 guy a year ago, and you can figure out what went wrong this year and can fix it. But I think the smarter move would be to take the best pass rushing DL or the best OL at pick #10 and take Andy Dalton out of TCU in the 2nd round. He should be there and the last QB the skins had out of TCU worked out pretty well as I recall.

Posted by: danskin | January 26, 2011 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Please..Please..Please don't take Newton. Take Locker if you think he was your #1 guy a year ago, and you can figure out what went wrong this year and can fix it. But I think the smarter move would be to take the best pass rushing DL or the best OL at pick #10 and take Andy Dalton out of TCU in the 2nd round. He should be there and the last QB the skins had out of TCU worked out pretty well as I recall.

Posted by: danskin | January 26, 2011 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Please..Please..Please don't take Newton. Take Locker if you think he was your #1 guy a year ago, and you can figure out what went wrong this year and can fix it. But I think the smarter move would be to take the best pass rushing DL or the best OL at pick #10 and take Andy Dalton out of TCU in the 2nd round. He should be there and the last QB the skins had out of TCU worked out pretty well as I recall.

Posted by: danskin | January 26, 2011 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Yeaaah, Newton will be a target of undercover teams and moles, it'll take a lot of effort and patience to keep him from the Dark Side Of The Force..f*** reality....The Japanese Imperial Palace chose December 7th to attack Pearl Harbor because it was Buddha's Enlightenment Day...Want Enlightenment?? Try E=MC squared at Hiroshima and Nagasaki...

Posted by: frak | January 26, 2011 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Really?! Another overrated Auburn QB? No thanks. Go with a DE, LB, or WR with the 1st pick...maybe even CB.

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | January 26, 2011 10:04 PM | Report abuse

No more robo-QB's please. Cam is a football player that plays QB. He'll fight. He'll compete. He'll make plays when then things don't go according to script. He'll make the Redskins fun to watch again. Select Cam!

Posted by: coparker5 | January 26, 2011 10:17 PM | Report abuse

The people who don't want to take a quarterback at #10 are both right and wrong.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 26, 2011 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I don't always agree with you, but at least you're willing to make a stand, go out on a limb.

The answer, I firmly believe, is NOT to go QB at #10. You said in the post referenced above that the NFL is "a quarterback-driven league". Well...yes...to an extent. But we all know that if you don't have balance and superior big uglies, it don't much matter who your QB is - OK, yes Tom Brady would've won us 2-3 more games, but what would that have gotten us? Same seat on the couch in January and a worse draft pick.

You must be successful up front on both sides of the ball. We were unable to do so consistently- even much at all- this year. McNabb was unsatisfactory, but it was largely academic given our line woes.

LMG's solution this draft- take the best available defender, preferably a beast DT (Nick Fairley is who I've been saying for months, but his stock has risen too high) or a rush guy (can you say Von Miller? Maybe Ryan Kerrigan?) OR trade down, get back picks we lost in the DMac and JBrown trades, and DRAFT LINEMEN. We have other needs, and they too must be addressed - like QB, yes. But I don't think we can afford to take a flyer on a project like Newton or a risky, inconsistent talent like Locker.

Again, just my 2 cents. Which, along with 98 more cents will get you two pies at McD's.

HTTR

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 26, 2011 10:21 PM | Report abuse

I honestly think Locker is the best QB coming out this year. Last year Kiper loved him, now one bad season and he hates him? I've payed attention to Kiper in the past and he is been wrong a lot when it comes to QB's. He's not good with predicting that position. He openly mocked Denver for taking Tebow when it was clear to me at least he was the second best QB coming out. Locker reminds me a lot of Mcnabb actually. Why not get the young version of Mcnabb if you like him so much. Newton might be good but I have my doubts and I'm kind of unimpressed with some past Auburn guys.

What about Mcnabb for Carson Palmer straight up? I know their owner is crazy and wouldnt give us OCHOCINCO for two first rounders, but its worth a try as it would certainly be beneficial for both teams at this point.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | January 26, 2011 10:25 PM | Report abuse

cam newton was told to do a kneel on last play before fg and he disobeyed--also think he is a little full of himslef. Nope---he makes me nervouse--dudes who can run like the wind never make awesome QBs. Brady can't run and he's an awesome QB. Same w Flacco (not to degree Brady is), Rothlesberger, Rivers, others...... I like Ryan Mallet maybe mid 1rst round--is he a reah at 10? we need olineman badly still to establish domination w running and pass blocking....and a NT and shutdown CB....gotta be smart w pick. Trade it down and pick up another pick and get a less flashy QB w\o reaching

Posted by: tabtool | January 26, 2011 10:32 PM | Report abuse

dudes who can run like the wind never make awesome QBs. Brady can't run and he's an awesome QB. Same w Flacco (not to degree Brady is), Rothlesberger, Rivers, others...... we need olineman badly still to establish domination w running and pass blocking....and a NT and shutdown CB....gotta be smart w pick. Trade it down and pick up another pick and get a less flashy QB w\o reaching

Posted by: tabtool | January 26, 2011 10:32 PM | Report abuse

I love everything about this post and what it stands for and supports...but (and sorry to be a nitpicker) it would be a mistake to lump Big Ben in with the "immobile QB" crowd. He may not be the fleetest of foot, but dude is a tank and moves very well for a big man.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 26, 2011 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Hey guys, this is a shameless plug for my cousin. He played for Nebraska as a guard and would be a great FA pick up and possibly a late low rounder. He has an excellent work ethic, humble, and has a meanness in him like Mark May did. He's currently preparing for the Combine.

Keith Williams, 6'5" 310 lbs., the Chicago press has already started to lobby Bears for his services: http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/grizzly-detail/Hey-Jerry-Draft-Ths-Guy-Keith-Williams-Nebraska-106617108.html?__source=Facebook

Oh, and I've already taught him to hate Dallas.

HTTR!

Posted by: clark202 | January 26, 2011 10:44 PM | Report abuse

scamp, are you really that lame? Don't you know that the real ifthethunderdon'tgetya signs his name "jm220"? The guy who you ranted against is only an imitator, who therefore should be ignored. Jm220 even commented about it a couple weeks ago.

As far as the OL goes. Williams will grow into a beast - he started out at OK and will grow into a beast. Litch started out as awful and grew into almost-not-awful. I say we need to replace Litch and Rabach. Litch and Montgomery can compete for the last spot on the OL (Brown's most likely coming back as the RT). Also, I want an update on how BMW is doing with his blood clots. I'm curious to know what his weight is now and therefore if he could possibly play again.

Getting an update on MK's knee would also be nice.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | January 26, 2011 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Keith Williams, 6'5" 310 lbs....Oh, and I've already taught him to hate Dallas.

HTTR!

Posted by: clark202 | January 26, 2011 10:44 PM | Report abuse

I like him already!! Best of luck to your cuz, Clark. Hope he is able to wear the Maroon and Black - er, Burgundy and Gold - someday

HTTR

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 26, 2011 11:08 PM | Report abuse

You're becoming quite the pest and twice the detective of beep-beep.

Posted by: AtheistFreakKaren | January 26, 2011 11:17 PM | Report abuse

1. Kiper is the same guy who was visibly upset last year when teams did not take his advice on Clausen and everytime he fell, he got more perturbed. And then as when Tim Tebow was picked, he took a bathroom break and screamed into the mirror. Clausen was a bust. Kiper is a joke, get a real job, half these fans on this blog no as much. As for the other half...hmm.

2. As for black qbs in washinton--who the h double ll made that an issue. I think washington has the only superbowl winning black qb in Doug Williams, not mention drafting Campbell and giving him lots of time. So hush about color, its ridicules. Black or White true redskin fans want to win.

3. As for Cam Newton, I don't think he is the future, we only have a year to go on and that involved a lot of controversy. He almost lost the title game, if not for the Defense goal line stands they would have.

4. I think Locker is a better overall pick. He has tremendous speed and actually can play free saftey, he is might be steve youngish. I said might though, any high qb draft is risky, but we must take some risk, we need a qb. Based on the offensive scheme they are putting together, I feel confident Locker would be a good fit.

Posted by: rodskin | January 26, 2011 11:18 PM | Report abuse

"I don't want Cam Newton.

I honestly don't know why, but I just don't want him.

Maybe I'm just wary of college quarterbacks who run a lot and throw some too.

Maybe he reminds me of Vince Young, and that hasn't turned out so great.

Maybe his sketchball dad has me thinking we've got a character concern here and do I really want him holding the keys to the team?

Maybe I don;t want another Auburn QB for little while.

Maybe it's b/c I can't stand Mel Kiper.

I don't know." --p1funk

----Genius words, ladies and gentlemen. For once, let's be reasonable and select positions on the defensive and offensive lines!

Posted by: XCountryTrevor | January 26, 2011 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Really?! Another overrated Auburn QB? No thanks. Go with a DE, LB, or WR with the 1st pick...maybe even CB.

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | January 26, 2011 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Cam Newton is the best CFB player in past 50 years. Sadly he won't be available by the time the Redskins pick. Ugh that sucks. He is a WINNER.

Posted by: alabamavoodoo | January 26, 2011 11:36 PM | Report abuse

I used to love the redskins. My entire life actually. Recently I have grown to dislike them and drafting Cam Newton is all that will save this failing franchise.

Dan Snyder if you love the Redskins please sell the team. You and Tom Cruise disgust me.

Posted by: alabamavoodoo | January 26, 2011 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Jake Locker better than Cam Newton? OMG are you drunk, high or just plain stupid? MORONS QUIT POSTING.

Posted by: alabamavoodoo | January 26, 2011 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Well, the old Dostoevski quote from when he was in jail,"A finer timber of man I have never met ,than those to be found behind bars.." And studies have shown, criminal adolescents, once corrected, tend to be model citizens and leaders of communities..

Posted by: frak | January 26, 2011 9:42 PM

I guess we have something in common.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 26, 2011 11:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm totally high. But I'm definitely not in favor of Newton.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | January 26, 2011 11:53 PM | Report abuse

2854 yards passing 30 TD's
1474 rushing yards 20 TD's
14-0 National Champion
Heisman Trophy
O'Brien
Maxwell
Manning
AP POY

No one compares or comes close. It's not like Cam Newton accomplished this amazing season in the ACC or Big East. He is the best CFB player any of you have witnessed Nd sadly most Skins fans never saw him play.

His single season is better than Vick, Tebow, Young, And ANYONE!

Cam Newton would save the Skins franchise.

Posted by: alabamavoodoo | January 26, 2011 11:53 PM | Report abuse

scamp, are you really that lame? Don't you know that the real ifthethunderdon'tgetya signs his name "jm220"? The guy who you ranted against is only an imitator, who therefore should be ignored. Jm220 even commented about it a couple weeks ago.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | January 26, 2011 10:55 PM |

If by lame you mean don't read everything that evrybody posts on here ever then yes, I'm that lame. Thanks for your judgement Jesusfreak.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 26, 2011 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Cam Newton goes top 5 anyways. Redskins ain't got a chance. Panthers will regret not taking him if that is the case. He will change the NFL. no one comes close to this young man.

Cam Newton is DRIVEN.

Posted by: alabamavoodoo | January 27, 2011 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Cam Newton goes top 5 anyways. Redskins ain't got a chance. Panthers will regret not taking him if that is the case. He will change the NFL. no one comes close to this young man.

Cam Newton is DRIVEN.

Posted by: alabamavoodoo | January 27, 2011 12:02 AM | Report abuse

"Don't you know that the real ifthethunderdon'tgetya signs his name "jm220"? The guy who you ranted against is only an imitator, who therefore should be ignored. Jm220 even commented about it a couple weeks ago.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | January 26, 2011 10:55 PM |"

What the hell does this even mean?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 27, 2011 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Disturbing isn't it Nate?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 27, 2011 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Laying it on a little thick, aren't ya, alabamavoodoo?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 27, 2011 12:07 AM | Report abuse

4. I think Locker is a better overall pick. He has tremendous speed and actually can play free saftey, he is might be steve youngish. I said might though, any high qb draft is risky, but we must take some risk, we need a qb. Based on the offensive scheme they are putting together, I feel confident Locker would be a good fit.

Posted by: rodskin | January 26, 2011 11:18 PM | Report abuse
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Hey if it doesn't workout at QB, and we turn him into a FS, it wouldn't be a total loss, as we need both positions filled.

Posted by: clark202 | January 27, 2011 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Nate I've been an Auburn and Skins fan for over 35 years. I am not one for making stupid statements are assinine declarations however Cam Newton is that good. Wait and see. He is a good kid did some dumb things here and there coming up, who hasn't? However the young man has very redemptive qualities and unrelenting work ethic.

Posted by: alabamavoodoo | January 27, 2011 12:13 AM | Report abuse

scamp, I kind of love that this commenting community is so well established that folks are willing to invest that level of attention to the conversation... but it kind of weirds me out, too.

JesusFreakKaren, you bring something to the table conversationally, but as noted above I can't always pick up what you're putting down. That's probably on me.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 27, 2011 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Redemptive qualities? I really don't want someone that needs those in the first place. Not at 10. Maybe at 210.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 27, 2011 12:20 AM | Report abuse

scamp, I kind of love that this commenting community is so well established that folks are willing to invest that level of attention to the conversation... but it kind of weirds me out, too.

JesusFreakKaren, you bring something to the table conversationally, but as noted above I can't always pick up what you're putting down. That's probably on me.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 27, 2011 12:15 AM |

Indeed, but I am often amazed at which parts of the conversations people tend to pay most attention to.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 27, 2011 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Oog boog thanks for your Saint Hood

Posted by: alabamavoodoo | January 27, 2011 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Oog boog thanks for your Saint Hood

Posted by: alabamavoodoo | January 27, 2011 12:31 AM

I think his point was more along the line of "I'd rather not take a crap shoot at #10," as opposed to a moral dilemma.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 27, 2011 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Oog boog thanks for your Saint Hood

Posted by: alabamavoodoo | January 27, 2011 12:31 AM

I think his point was more along the line of "I'd rather not take a crap shoot at #10," as opposed to a moral dilemma.

Posted by: scampbell1975
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Zackly. On anyone's big board, there's several elite prospects worthy of the 10 pick, more or less, that don't have "issues". At 10 I want a rock solid guy, not just the talent... and of course the Skins have plenty of needs. I'd be very happy with OLB, DE or even one of the 2 CB's here. (We should focus on Oline in FA.) I only want a QB (or any player) this high that most pro scouts feel no reservations about with regard to their character etc.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 27, 2011 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Regarding my sainthood, that's still pending, I have my lawyers working on throwing out certain charges that simply could not be corroborated.

In the words of the great Marion Barry, I deny the alligators!

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 27, 2011 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Alright, I see a lot of people losing their mind on the thoughts of draft Cam Newton. People want Locker whose knock is that he is INACCURATE?! Some people want Mallet who when pressured is INACCURATE?! Lets keep it real. Our line will allow pressure. Locker being inaccurate already is just as bad as having McNabb or Grossman. Mallet can't move, so thats a sack more times than most.
As said in professional sports, you are only as good as your last season. Locker was junk this season with a completion rating under 60. But people want him at #10 overall?! A mobile Qb with accuracy is what is needed. Cam is more like Big Ben but faster. He is also working out with the same coach Big Ben had before the draft as well. He has the arm and had an completion rating for over 66 against arguably the best competition that the NCAA had to offer being in the SEC! He is a playmayer. Something that OUR SKINS don't have on offense. To have a playmaking Qb makes the whole offense better. He is a proven winner period. He won on the biggest stage in college football and the a lower stage. All this mess about Cam being a spread QB and he won't be a great Qb because of it is just mess!! Everything depends on how he is coached up and we supposed to have a great superbowl winning coach and a down the field pass happy Offensive Coordinator in his son.
If we dont take him, there are other QBs in the later rounds we can look at that have a similar skill set. Colin Kaepernick is mobile and is a pretty good QB in the middle rounds. Tyrod Tyler is a later 5,6 or 7th round Qb that is mobile with an arm.
I'd rather have Cam and then focus on either a DT, NT, LB or another OL to help protect the QB of the future in the second round.
HTTR!!!!

Posted by: daquietcutie | January 27, 2011 1:44 AM | Report abuse

Offensive line, Offensive line, Offensive line. FatAlbert @ nose tackle. McNabb packing. QB next year. Offensive line. If the guy can't stand upright, it doesn't matter who is the QB.

Posted by: KDSmallJr | January 27, 2011 2:09 AM | Report abuse

from an ESPN chat session. Change the names to Orakpo and Haslett from Williams and wade and this is pretty much my opinion for us.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/36687/nfl-with-matt-williamson

Can Mario Williams be effective as a 3-4 DE? I kno Wade runs a one-gap scheme unlike most 3-4 systems, but it's still a big shift from the 4-3

Matt Williamson (12:14 PM)

That is the #1 reason that I would not have hired a 3-4 guy. Makes little sense to me. You have the 1st overall pick and a premier DE-the guy you built around! Then, you switch it all up. 4-3 schemes can work! Now, a terrible D has many more needs than they would have, which makes rebuilding it all that more difficult. I like Wade-don't get me wrong and he might scheme some things up to improve this group-but overall, that is bad biz to me.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 27, 2011 3:23 AM | Report abuse

Good article about the Cowfukkers:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/27/sports/football/27dallas.html?hpw

Love what Mad Dog Jack did to Cliff Harris in Superbowl X. Even though it'll always be the Skins first for me, JL58 is my favorite player of all time.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 27, 2011 3:35 AM | Report abuse

Hmm, tonight I'm really glad I'm in LA instead of DC... except it would've been great to be in that snowball fight at Dupont Circle.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 27, 2011 3:41 AM | Report abuse

I can't see us getting the q-back we need at #10. We may well get the q-back we want in that slot however.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 27, 2011 5:25 AM | Report abuse

dudes who can run like the wind never make awesome QBs...

Posted by: tabtool | January 26, 2011 10:32 PM


Steve Young, Fran Tarkenton, and Mike Vick (2010) all send their regards...

Pass on Newton...dude has more red flags than the Chinese Embassy. I'll talk Locker, I'll talk Kaepernick or Mallett or Gibbert...the only guy I'd rule out completely is Newton.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2011 5:30 AM | Report abuse

Some "lesser" QBs ranked by Kiper, for what it's worth:

Christian Ponder: “Average arm, super smart. The only player from an FBS school who earned his MBA. Accuracy is good. I thought he was a poor man’s Chad Pennington going into the year. His stock has slipped a bit. I’d say third to fifth round for him.”

Andy Dalton: “He has adequate size. Tremendous intelligence, a real student of the game. He’s the consummate winner. He’s accurate on the move. I thought he showed necessary arm strength. It was more than adequate. He’s not in the first round mix; I think second or third round, a solid Day 2 guy.”

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2011 5:36 AM | Report abuse

You know, here's the deal. It's easy to compare Cam Newton to Jason Campbell or Vince Young or Jamarcus Russell but any comparisons are really baseless. He is NOT any of those guys so any comparisons are based on little other than "he's a running QB" or (God I can't believe I'm saying this) race. Here's the real problem with Cam Newton...he ran a spread option offense. This requires 1 read and then run. He didn't have to read defenses and he didn't have to learn a complex offense. He looked at one guy, maybe a second and then ran. That's the reality and that's the knock. Does this mean he can't learn an NFL offense? No. Does that mean he can't learn to read defenses? Absolutely not. It does mean he cannot start year one and that he has a large learning curve. Having said that he is not my first or second or tenth pick but I would not cry if we took him. Dude is an athlete and a competitor. He should have a no contact clause in his contract for his dead beat, loser of a father though.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 26, 2011 6:32 PM
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Scamp, I'd add that his throwing mechanics need work, which is true for a lot of scrambling quarterbacks coming out of college. They are so used to playing on the run that they don't set up when they have time in the pocket. Everything is correctable - or not. I am definitely in the draft a whale camp. He can either be a big old offensive lineman or a big old nose tackle, but either one of those type of players can make an impact next season. Newton would be a project who would need time and would have no impact next season.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2011 5:42 AM | Report abuse

Here's a little bit on Andy Dalton. I like what I saw of him while at TCU.

-Dalton also has hired former NFL coach Jerry Rhome to prepare him for the draft. (Rhome has tutored Vince Young, Troy Smith and Kevin Kolb, among others in the past.)

"(Dalton's) junior and senior years, he prepared like it was the NFL," Rhome said. "He prepares and does a lot of stuff at the line of scrimmage, which I think gives him a great advantage over a lot of these quarterbacks coming out because you have to be able to handle the line of scrimmage in the NFL, and he does."

But all the talk about his mental aptitude and other non-skill-related assets may give the impression that Dalton lacks the actual physical ability to make it as a pro. However, the Rose Bowl MVP believes he has the tools to make the transition.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 27, 2011 5:55 AM | Report abuse

I am definitely in the draft a whale camp.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2011 5:42 AM


This could be your whale. Mel Kiper sees him going in the second round, but Herman Melville, who “wrote the book on killer whales” thinks he’s number one overall:

Moby Dick
University of the Pacific
67 feet, 63 tons
Offensive

“He has a motor that just won’t quit. He’s coming off a killer Flipper Bowl game against the University of Pequod where he was a one-man wrecking crew. He doesn’t score well on some of the measurables – bench press, 40-yard shuttle – but his attitude defines ‘mean.’ He’s a risky pick because of questions about whether his raw skills translate to the next level and to dry land stadiums: He prefers to work alone, so is he coachable? Is he a liability with too many penalties – off sides, head butt, illegal use of flukes? Putting these concerns aside, in the right environment he could redefine the position.”

Posted by: beep-beep | January 27, 2011 6:09 AM | Report abuse

brownwood:

Happy about the Stupor Bowl? STEELERS make mince-meat of the PACKERS?

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 27, 2011 6:11 AM | Report abuse

Way too much time on your hands Beep...haha

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2011 6:16 AM | Report abuse

gl, I'm kinda torn...I'm a big Mike Tomlin fan and wanna see him get another SB, but I picked the Packers to win it all before the season and don't wanna bail on the pick. To me, it comes down to injuries for the Steelers...if Pouncey can go (I doubt it) and Polamalu is healthy enough to be effective, I like Pittsburgh. But if not, the Packers are too good and too deep to lose to a wounded Steeler team.

So I'm kinda leaning Pittsburgh but wanna see the final injury report before I go on record.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2011 6:22 AM | Report abuse

Way too much time on your hands Beep...haha

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2011 6:16 AM

Anyone who is a regular on RI has way too much time. We're all just waiting for the better thing to come along.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 27, 2011 6:22 AM | Report abuse

Hey, I doubt many of us AU fans WANT Cam to go to the Redskins...they already tried to ruin Jason Campbell...we don't want the same thing to happen to Cam! How about drafting an offensive line first.
War Eagle!!!

Posted by: schappelle1 | January 27, 2011 6:55 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: schappelle1 | January 27, 2011 6:55 AM

Shouldn't Auburn fans be more focused on finding next year's great ethically challenged pay-for-play superstar doing his 9 credit hours at a ju.co. right now?

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 27, 2011 7:14 AM | Report abuse

Hey, I doubt many of us AU fans WANT Cam to go to the Redskins...they already tried to ruin Jason Campbell...

Posted by: schappelle1 | January 27, 2011 6:55 AM


Um, I seem to recall Auburn switching offensive systems on JC about as many times as the Skins did...just sayin'...

And what's with the sudden influx of Auburn fans on RI? Did the Dallas trolls get bored and try another angle?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2011 7:18 AM | Report abuse

I know. I wish they would just leave the blog to who it was intended for: Alabama/Redskin fans. Roll tide!

Todays topic: Part 2,316 of our series, "How Great Was Chris Samuels?"

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 27, 2011 7:28 AM | Report abuse

If Cam Newton has a good combine (which I think he will) then he will never reach the Redskins when they pick at #10. Jake Locker will also be gone.

I don't see the Bills passing up on a franchise QB since the Jim Kelly days. The Bengels have entered the QB sweepstakes with the uncertainty with the Carson Palmer situation. Need I remind you guys of Arizona, 49ers, how about the Titans....all in need of a QB.

Maybe Ryan Mallet, C. Ponder etc. will be available at #10, but the other three (Gabbert, Locker and Newton) will be gone.

I would hope Shan/Allen would use the top 2 picks on either the defensive front 7 or offensive line with the BPA logic.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 27, 2011 7:31 AM | Report abuse

I don't want Cam Newton.


I agree.

My hope is that year, we draft his brother Fig.

'Memba them old Fig Newton commercials from back-in-the-day?

Whateva happened to them?

I guess they spoiled and got thrown away.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 27, 2011 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Don't get me wrong here if Jake Locker were to fall down to the #10 pick then he will most likely be the pick for Shan/Allen. If you read the Senior Bowl training observations you can see Locker's stock is starting to rise.

Worst case scenerio you give up a 1 and a 2 to Carolina for their #1 pick then the Skins would have their choice of QBs.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 27, 2011 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Moe,

I don't know...Shanahan mentioned if there was a "Young" Donavon McNabb out there he would be interested? Could this be a Cam Newton? But, yeah the only newtons we are going to get at #10 is a Fig Newton.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 27, 2011 7:50 AM | Report abuse

I had a great time this morning playing dodge the abandoned cars on the GW parkway, I swear people in the DMV can't drive worth a sh-t. How the f-ck are you going to leave your car in the middle of the GW parkway.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 27, 2011 7:52 AM | Report abuse

beep- pretty, pretty funny.

bw26- Influx of Auburn fans? Thet just won a Natl Champ so there are a lot of new Tiger fans. Same peeps have put their 5 YR old USC gear with their 10 YR old Notre Dame gear to make way for their brand new Auburn gear.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 7:55 AM | Report abuse


I am definitely in the draft a whale camp.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 27, 2011 5:42 AM
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rsh,

yes, yes, yes !!!

SAVE THE WHALES !!!

Posted by: hessone | January 27, 2011 7:55 AM | Report abuse

I don't see the Bills passing up on a franchise QB since the Jim Kelly days. The Bengels have entered the QB sweepstakes with the uncertainty with the Carson Palmer situation. Need I remind you guys of Arizona, 49ers, how about the Titans....all in need of a QB.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 27, 2011 7:31 AM


It's not a lock that any of those teams is gonna reach on a guy they're not overly impressed with just because QB is a need...Ryan Fitzpatrick quietly put together a pretty good year and they could go another year with him starting and be just fine. The Cards will probably need to get a veteran with name recognition (I've heard Marc Bulger is a strong possibility) to appease Larry Fitzgerald in the last year of his contract. The Bengals "situation" with Carson Palmer is pretty cut and dry thus far...he asked for a trade, the owner said no. Dude isn't going anywhere.

Bottom line, considering there's no clear cut, blue chip prospect at QB in this draft I'd be surprised if the top 3 QBs are gone by #10. Hopefully, we're not taking a QB anyway and it won't matter...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2011 7:56 AM | Report abuse


I had a great time this morning playing dodge the abandoned cars on the GW parkway, I swear people in the DMV can't drive worth a sh-t. How the f-ck are you going to leave your car in the middle of the GW parkway.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 27, 2011 7:52 AM |
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it's obvious flound, not everyone knows as much as you do, that's for sure. do you have any cut and paste statistics on how many cars were abandoned ?

Posted by: hessone | January 27, 2011 7:58 AM | Report abuse

TWISI- add this site if you haven't already.

http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/

Player Pos School Ht Wt Arm Hnd
Andy Dalton QB TCU 6020 213 31 ½ 9 ¾

Monday Practice Notes: Started out shaky, but the TCU product improved throughout the day. Dalton showed inconsistency with the RPM’s on his passes. He showed a tight spiral then a wobbly pass came out of his grasp. He showed some signs of throwing too much with his upper body. By the end of the practice, he was starting to get his timing down hitting a couple nice deep completions.

Tuesday Practice Notes: Really not impressive throwing the ball. Rarely throws tight spirals in either the long or short field. Cannot drive his deep throws. Does a nice job commanding the offense but lacks top physical skills for the next level.

Wednesday Practice Notes: Slightly better today but still not sold he’s anything more than a clip board holder at the next level. Threw a few solid passes downfield but really has to put a lot of effort to get any speed on throws. Threw a few bad passes into coverage and had in one instance had Hankerson open down the flanks and poorly under threw him.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Diesel, if you go back to some of the stuff posted overnight, you'll see a lot of Cam Newton support from alleged Auburn fans...I'm just sayin' it sounds like the same clowns that were posing as Dallas fans up here during the season are now looking to morph into Cam jock-sniffers...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2011 8:02 AM | Report abuse

I had a great time this morning playing dodge the abandoned cars on the GW parkway, I swear people in the DMV can't drive worth a sh-t. How the f-ck are you going to leave your car in the middle of the GW parkway.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 27, 2011 7:52 AM | Report abuse


I am so glad I live in the city and don't deal with such idiocy as "suburban drivers"

Posted by: alex35332 | January 27, 2011 8:04 AM | Report abuse

I can sum up why the Redskins shouldn't even think about Cam Newton in 4 words: Jamarcus Russell Vince Young.

Posted by: randysbailin | January 27, 2011 8:08 AM | Report abuse


I am so glad I live in the city and don't deal with such idiocy as "suburban drivers"

Posted by: alex35332 | January 27, 2011 8:04 AM |
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I am so glad I live in the COUNTRY and don't deal with such idiocy as "suburban drivers"

Posted by: hessone | January 27, 2011 8:09 AM | Report abuse

it's obvious flound, not everyone knows as much as you do, that's for sure. do you have any cut and paste statistics on how many cars were abandoned ?

Posted by: hessone | January 27, 2011 7:58 AM |

Whats that I couldn't hear you?

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 27, 2011 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Newton had a single spectacular season. There are some concerns about the off-field shenanigans that he and his profiteering father were involved in. The Skins can't afford to miss on that pick. They should trade down for more picks. Pass on Fig Newton.

Posted by: randysbailin | January 27, 2011 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line, considering there's no clear cut, blue chip prospect at QB in this draft I'd be surprised if the top 3 QBs are gone by #10. Hopefully, we're not taking a QB anyway and it won't matter...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2011 7:56 AM | Report abuse

I agree with you that there is no Bradford or Luck in this current group.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 27, 2011 8:14 AM | Report abuse

fantastic, another relcaimation project. get newton killed with no OL, one midget wrestler WR that cannot beat man coverage, a fat TE in cooley that cannot run seam routes, no RB, the defense was dead last and evey spot needs upgrading. get out of the first, get 4 lineman by hook or crook in 2 and 3 and rebuild this dumpster from the inside out like good teams do. we are the worst team in any sport, on any continenet, including antarctica.

Posted by: doyouktt | January 27, 2011 8:18 AM | Report abuse


Whats that I couldn't hear you?

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 27, 2011 8:11 AM |
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is that why you responded, besides, it's just a joke. you sure are one defensive soul flound

Posted by: hessone | January 27, 2011 8:18 AM | Report abuse

draft complete..

#10- California DE Cameron Jordan might just be turning himself in to a top ten pick before this week is over and done with. He's the winner by far in Mobile, being virtually unblockable to any lineman going up against him. Start getting to know the name now. He's big enough and fast enough to be both a 4-3 and 3-4 defensive end. That type of versatility will do him wonders.

#41- Baylor DT Phil Taylor just continues to dominate his competition, and right now I think the sky is the limit for his prospects. He will have to answer questions about his time at Penn State when the NFL Combine rolls around. But for a 330-plus pound defensive tackle, he moves very well on the football field.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Whats that I couldn't hear you?

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 27, 2011 8:11 AM |
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is that why you responded, besides, it's just a joke. you sure are one defensive soul flound

Posted by: hessone | January 27, 2011 8:18 AM |

Just messing with you I'm never in a good mood when it takes me 2 hours to get to work.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 27, 2011 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Funny listening to all the people up here pushing for locker and talking about cam accuracy. I take it many didn't watch locker in the bowl game. That many haven't been reading the reports about him missing open recievers this week and not reading the base defense. (they are only playing two for the sr bowl) We would be crazy to take locker or cam

Posted by: jm220 | January 27, 2011 8:22 AM | Report abuse

The offensive line started to come together the last couple of games...so I would not say it needs a major overhaul...just a tweek here and there. The defense needs some help especially going to a 3-4 style vs. a 4-3. Maybe will pick up a larger target in a wide reciever in free agency or could it be M. Kelly?

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 27, 2011 8:29 AM | Report abuse


Just messing with you I'm never in a good mood when it takes me 2 hours to get to work.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 27, 2011 8:21 AM |
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I hear ya flound, traffic is one of the biggest waste of time in our lives. it's tough being human

Posted by: hessone | January 27, 2011 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Diesel, the more I hear about Phil Taylor the more I like...but unfortunately, other teams a privy to the same info so it's looking increasingly unlikely that he'll be on the board when we pick in the 2nd round. Just read that the Chiefs like him a lot and they pick in the back half of the 1st round...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 27, 2011 8:31 AM | Report abuse

The offensive line started to come together the last couple of games...so I would not say it needs a major overhaul...just a tweek here and there. The defense needs some help especially going to a 3-4 style vs. a 4-3. Maybe will pick up a larger target in a wide reciever in free agency or could it be M. Kelly?

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 27, 2011 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Hybrid guys like Cam Newton don't win Super Bowls - Brady, Manning, Warner, Brees, Big Ben, etc. Don't re-invent the wheel. Get a guy like that and move on. Nothing to see here.

Posted by: saqster | January 27, 2011 8:36 AM | Report abuse

flound, people just abandon their car?? Is that serious?? wow...thats just amazing to me....how much snow did you get??

dies, I could live with Jordan/Taylor, #1, and #2, gotta offset that with some FA offensive linemen however.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 27, 2011 8:38 AM | Report abuse

flound, people just abandon their car?? Is that serious?? wow...thats just amazing to me....how much snow did you get??

dies, I could live with Jordan/Taylor, #1, and #2, gotta offset that with some FA offensive linemen however.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 27, 2011 8:38 AM |

Bean,

There were cars abandoned everywhere even on the highway, at rush hour last night there was about 4-6 inches.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 27, 2011 8:42 AM | Report abuse

How about a outside linebacker....Von Miller?

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 27, 2011 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 27, 2011 8:47 AM | Report abuse

wow, flound, thats crazy. some folks just don't know how to drive I guess....on the other end of that are the 4-wheel drive hero's who think that having a 4-wheel drive vehicle makes them impervious to snow....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 27, 2011 8:47 AM | Report abuse

draft complete..

#10- California DE Cameron Jordan might just be turning himself in to a top ten pick before this week is over and done with. He's the winner by far in Mobile, being virtually unblockable to any lineman going up against him. Start getting to know the name now. He's big enough and fast enough to be both a 4-3 and 3-4 defensive end. That type of versatility will do him wonders.

#41- Baylor DT Phil Taylor just continues to dominate his competition, and right now I think the sky is the limit for his prospects. He will have to answer questions about his time at Penn State when the NFL Combine rolls around. But for a 330-plus pound defensive tackle, he moves very well on the football field.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 27, 2011 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Now that's a draft anyone would love. Having those two should not only help against the run, but they can generate pressure on their own which should help free up Rak in passing situations.

Posted by: TWISI | January 27, 2011 8:49 AM | Report abuse

wow, flound, thats crazy. some folks just don't know how to drive I guess....on the other end of that are the 4-wheel drive hero's who think that having a 4-wheel drive vehicle makes them impervious to snow....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 27, 2011 8:50 AM | Report abuse

I don't care who's quarterbacking, he'll be mediocre or injured without an O-line, and he'll be playing catchup all the time (and getting killed in the pocket or on scrambles) without a D-line. Trade down and get lots of big, young, warm bodies wearing lineman's numbers.

Posted by: trebor0012 | January 27, 2011 9:06 AM | Report abuse

beep ... 3-4 linemen

Posted by: dcsween | January 27, 2011 9:10 AM | Report abuse

It is a done deal already, Cam Newton's father is most likely in negotiations with Snyder after the Danny boy guaranteed the most money for his son...under the table of course.

Besides, it has to be Cam Newton based on the three laws of motion:
1)Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it.
Translation: Cam Newton's strong arm.
2)The relationship between an object's mass m, its acceleration a, and the applied force F is F = ma.
Translation: Cam Newton's size and speed; 6'6", 250 lbs, and fast.
3)For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Translation: Do not piss him off or he will piss on you!

Posted by: JohnWWW | January 27, 2011 9:14 AM | Report abuse

I don't know who said it, but it is NOT a black QB thing. This team gave up on Brad Johnson after 1 1/2 seasons after we won the division and won a home playoff game! And we gave up on him for Jeff Freaking George!

This town has seen a revolving door at QB since LT snapped Joey T's leg on MNF. I say, the next QB we draft needs to be the absolute right one. Once and for the all (well, for 12-15 years at least).

Draft Locker. Good guy, the Aaron Rodgers comparisons are accurate. Showed commitment to his team and program by staying an extra year instead of going for the money. That shows character and integrity. You can work on fundamental s and footwork and accuracy. You can't teach leadership and credibility.

I am not against drafting Cam Newton, but the risk is much higher. HIs past is a concern. He wants to play in the NFL asap. Which is fine. BUt you have to figure he being motivated by $$. Even if just half of his reasoning is money, that's still something to think about. I do not want a QB, RB or CB that's in it for the money!!! I want a football player who wants to win and expects his team mates to feel the same way!

No more shiny new toys. No more "It" picks or FA signings. I want football players. I want football players who work hard and want to win. That will get in shape and learn their assignments.

Trade the 10th pick for a lower 1st and a 2nd. Someone will do that to get Newton. Then we draft Locker at the end of the 1st, and take a OL and DL with our two 2nds.

That covers all kind of needs.

Can I get an AMEN?

Posted by: jmurray019 | January 27, 2011 9:18 AM | Report abuse

this would be disastrous

Posted by: slick3 | January 27, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

So why did Aaron R get picked so low in the 1st round?

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 26, 2011 6:28 PM | Report abuse

The knock on Rodgers that he was a Jeff Tedford QB. There was a concern that he would turn out just like other Tedford products:

Trent Dilfer,
David Carr,
Akili Smith,
Joey Harrington, and
Kyle Boller.

The theory was that Tedford and his system made QB's look a lot better than they really are.

Also, Rodgers got caught in a perfect storm. There were two "elite" QBs in that draft and only 1-team in the top half looking to draft one in the first round. It was always suspected that either he or Smith would be picked by the 49ers and the other could drop all the way to the bottom of the first.

Rodgers started of as the presumptive No. 1 pick but, by the draft, all the pundits were talking about Smith's superior athleticism and greater upside.

Then look what happened. Smith who was seen as more of a project was asked to start from day one on a bad team. Conversely, Rodgers who was seen as being the more polished product of an excellent QB coach was allowed to sit behind a veteran QB for 3-years. It also turns out that he was a better athlete than Smith as well.

For all the scouting talk we are going to hear over the next months there is one thing that is certain. Nearly half the people selected in the first round will not be good enough to start in the league. Morover, there will be numerous people that get drafted in the lower rounds, with many doubts over their ability to even make it on to a roster, who will go on to be much better pro-players than those selected above them.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | January 27, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I hope for Cam Newton's sake, the washington team does not draft him. They'll just mess his career up and blame him for all of their problems. A bad team and organization can make a good player look bad.

Posted by: rjam | January 27, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

"I don't want Cam Newton.

I honestly don't know why, but I just don't want him."

Because: (a) he has a sketchy past and (b) he does not fit the Shanny's tpye of QB they usually have.

I don't see it happening.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 27, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Everyone knows what a disaster Kiper's mock drafts turn out to be on draft day, and that's after version 5.0. All the QBs stock will rise as the draft gets closer, once all the scripted workouts go great and everyone is impressed in the interviews, as usual. Just before the draft I would not at all be surprised to see Gabbert, Newton, Mallett and Locker all in the top 10 given the number of teams in the top 10 that need to shore up their QB situation. McShay could be right about Locker going to the Titans at #8, dispite what everyone else grades him. The draft is 3 months away and there's no telling what these teams are thinking now.

That said, I don't think the Skins will take Newton at #10. I think they'd take Locker at 10 before they take Newton. Unless, of course, Danny gets his way and thinks that Newton would put more butts in the seats, then all bets are off. I just don't see Newton as a Shanahan guy.

If the Bills don't take Gabbert at 3, then I would offer up McNabb, Haynesworth and the #10 pick to the Cardinals and take Gabbert at #5. I think Wisenhunt wants a veteran QB, but unfortunately he runs a 3-4 in Arizona which we all know Albert just loves. This is the longest of shots of course, but I would not be surprised to see the Skins try to unload McNabb and pick(s) on Arizona if Gabbert is there at #5

Posted by: anw821 | January 27, 2011 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Bad idea. The Redskin organization is too caught up in the political correctness of the times. There is a reluctance to bench a black QB when he is performing poorly. The Wilbons and Reids start writing about possible racist motives for doing so. The coaches don't have the stomach to handle the racist tag and the underperforming brother continues to play and stink the place up.

Posted by: theBozyn | January 27, 2011 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey edDC.....If you watch Newton play, he sure looks like Campbell on the field. His drivers license may say Newton, but his slow drop, slow release, one quick look and take off running says Campbell all over him!!!

Posted by: Riggo2 | January 27, 2011 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Hybrid guys like Cam Newton don't win Super Bowls - Brady, Manning, Warner, Brees, Big Ben, etc. Don't re-invent the wheel. Get a guy like that and move on. Nothing to see here.

Posted by: saqster | January 27, 2011 8:36 AM | Report abuse
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What about Steve Young, John Elway, Roger Staubach, and Kenny Stabler? Not saying we should go after Newton as there are other pressing needs, but scramblers "Hybrid" QBs have won the big game.

Posted by: clark202 | January 27, 2011 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Please, not Cam Newton. My take is that, as with Leinart, he is a huge beneficiary of a great offense and defense that has been assembled at Auburn (wow, just imagine how much money they must have paid for those players, Cam Newton alone probably cost them $100k-$200k). I don't think Cam will be nearly as good on a Redskins team that will have him scrambling before his primary has completed his route. I would much prefer a D-lineman or outside backer. For QB give me Gabbert

Posted by: HokiePost | January 27, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Hey edDC.....If you watch Newton play, he sure looks like Campbell on the field. His drivers license may say Newton, but his slow drop, slow release, one quick look and take off running says Campbell all over him!!!

Posted by: Riggo2 | January 27, 2011 1:20 PM | Report abuse
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Hey Riggo, I agree Newton is a project and I wouldn't necessarily compare him to Campbell. Campbell is a pure pocket passer. However Newton has a very nice release, excellent throwing motion and zip. The problem with him is with his feet. As we learned from QB camp from pop warner up until High School, your feet is just as important as your arm in accuracy. At that is where Newton will have issues.

He can make all the passes, even the dreaded rope to the flat. But I guarantee you he's going to have issues with the ball sailing on him. And like you mentioned his pocket awareness. He'll get happy feet if he doesn't like what he sees. Now all of these things are coachable. You don't have change his throwing motion or teach him how to get a snap from under center. But the footwork mechanics and staying calm in the pocket if your first target isn't available are things I should not have to coach on the 10th overall pick.

Posted by: clark202 | January 27, 2011 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Never draft a QB in the first round! Just seems like once they get paid, they lose the hunger to win. I just think at that position, there's already tremendous pressure on you, couple that with the expectations that come with a hugh contract and you've got a reciepe for a Jamarcus situation.

Weren't Brady and Favre late round picks?

Posted by: jakeyrotten | January 27, 2011 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Am so sick of this organization bending over backwards to show that they are not racist, maybe its the whole Indian name thing. I would like to see some genine talent at the QB and O-line positions to heck with the black QB nonsense, am one black dude who dont give a crap about QBs color, I want a winner not a bum.

Posted by: zimife1999 | January 27, 2011 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I expect the Skins to draft Cam first. The reason to me is simple-he can do what no other first round pick can do: put butts in the seat at FedEx Field. (always follow the money!)

Posted by: MTalleyMon | January 28, 2011 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Kiper is a blowhard idiot that frequently makes the wrong picks.
If he says Cam Newton, then look at someone else.

Posted by: JONJJ | January 28, 2011 11:32 PM | Report abuse

I hope Cam Newton lands in a better organization than the Redskins.
WAR EAGLE!!!

Posted by: bdaniels48 | January 29, 2011 7:24 AM | Report abuse

I hope Cam Newton lands with a better organization than the Redskins.
WAR EAGLE!!

Posted by: bdaniels48 | January 29, 2011 7:52 AM | Report abuse

I hope Cam Newton lands with a better organization that the Redskins.
WAR EAGLE!!

Posted by: bdaniels48 | January 29, 2011 7:54 AM | Report abuse

I hope Cam Newton lands with a better organization than the Redskins.
WAR EAGLE!!

Posted by: bdaniels48 | January 29, 2011 7:54 AM | Report abuse

I hope Cam Newton lands with a better organization than the Redskins.
WAR EAGLE!!

Posted by: bdaniels48 | January 29, 2011 7:55 AM | Report abuse

I hope Cam Newton lands with a better organization than the Redskins.
WAR EAGLE!!

Posted by: bdaniels48 | January 29, 2011 7:55 AM | Report abuse

I hope Cam Newton lands with a better organization than the Redskins.
WAR EAGLE!!

Posted by: bdaniels48 | January 29, 2011 7:55 AM | Report abuse

I hope Cam Newton lands with a better organization than the Redskins.
WAR EAGLE!!

Posted by: bdaniels48 | January 29, 2011 7:55 AM | Report abuse

I hope Cam Newton lands with a better organization than the Redskins.
WAR EAGLE!!

Posted by: bdaniels48 | January 29, 2011 7:55 AM | Report abuse

I hope Cam Newton lands with a better organization than the Redskins.
WAR EAGLE!!

Posted by: bdaniels48 | January 29, 2011 7:55 AM | Report abuse

I hope Cam Newton lands with a better organization than the Redskins.
WAR EAGLE!!

Posted by: bdaniels48 | January 29, 2011 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Yes - please no more Black quarterbacks!! Let's get us a good young sorry character guy like a Mark Brunell, Patrick Ramsey, Health Schuler, Todd Collins or Rex Grossman - to play behind our hall of fame offensive line. Yeah, and no more mean thuggish guys on defense. Albert should have been nicer to Danny and it was bad for him to take all of our - I mean Danny's - money. We need to get some quiet big softies to replace albert - he sucked and we were so much nicer without him! Haslett, that genius, can make anything work - so long as he is working some nice young men in his intimidating 3-4 and they don't have to tackle any mean running backs like Brandon Jacobs! And enough said about big Shanny - where would Elway have been without him!! Lil Shanny's knowledge of football is self evident - as he sat at the feet of daddy Shanny and mastered the play books on Playstation Madden as a toddler.

Posted by: MikeMIke3 | January 30, 2011 1:14 AM | Report abuse

But Locker interviews so well. :-)

Posted by: JHG_sec405 | January 30, 2011 5:12 AM | Report abuse

trade down. Trade Haynesworth and McNabb for picks.

Build the two lines through the draft.

Play Grossman or Beck during the rebuilding years- who cares? no QB will win here in the next couple years.

If we finish dead last in 2 years, we could draft Andrew Luck.

Posted by: supattapone | January 30, 2011 8:03 AM | Report abuse

We know that the fool Shanacan't is not capable of doing anything right. Same goes for his idiot-Boss, Snyder. They're going to trade the top draft choice to Denver for the rights to Jake Plummer Makes sense, doesn't it?

Posted by: sameolddoc | January 30, 2011 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Redskins should trade down for picks and start Grossman(you're going to lose anyway). BUILD THROUGH THE DRAFT!!! It really isn't that hard to figure out. Trying to "Win Now" by plugging pieces into this mess is only going to lead to more losing seasons and never getting closer to the goal. Neither Shanny or Danny have the will or the guts to do it right.........enjoy what you have fans, it's all you're going to get!

Posted by: RealConservative | January 31, 2011 8:20 AM | Report abuse

I wish the Redskins grew up and stopped focusing on QB. They need to focus, 100%, on the offensive and defensive lines. They need another great offensive lineman to anchor the next 5 years with Williams. They continue to look at skill positions. Everyone knows you can't win without good lines...no matter the talent at skill positions. But, you CAN win with sub-par talent at skill positions as long as you have strong lines!!! C'mon!

Posted by: bharn | February 1, 2011 1:30 PM | Report abuse

No Newton. He may have slightly more skills than Campbell coming out of college. However, I just don't see him adjusting well to the pro game. He'll get destroyed out there, and throw tons of picks in the process. Offensive and defensive lines. That's got to be the 100% focus. Nothing else matters when you build.

Posted by: bharn | February 1, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

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